Britains Mindless Changes.In side The Mad House.

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The Government have been using here in Britain for the last six month lie detectors on each and every call made to Department of Works and Pensions, offices this included Job Centres as well as Social Security Claimants. So successful are the units, fitted to call operatives computers, that in the four areas that they have been trialled, that government now wants to roll it out across the country ahead of the twelve month supposed trials. The unit and software picks out fraudulent claims and in one area, within two months of its use, a quarter of a million pounds was stopped from fraudulent claims. Just how this is effecting the mentally ill, who may suffer from paranoia, those who genuinely suffer lack of confidence, or the like, has not been measured. Government as I acrulatly reported here in a previous posting, is determined it will reach its target of removing over one million people off Incapacity Benefits and those on long term sickness benefits . People are presently receiving through the post demands for them to be reassessed. After paying G.P's huge increases in their pay the GMC has advised its members not to engage with government plans advising that the plans would lead to a break down in the doctor patient relationship already damaged by existing contracts. In Secret plans revealed, here for the first time and because the British media will not publish information that is being leaked to them by fearful civil servants whose fears are that Britain is beginning to resemble Germany in the early 1930's. It is known that out of frustration the Home Office has put forward plans for what are known as "Revolving Door Patients". This refures to patients who suffer from long term drink and drug related problems or have been diagnosed with a Dual Diagnosis’ condition and who are now regularly and openly refused admission into A&E departments, leading to the Police having to be called to hospitals after drunks and drug addicted people who become violent on being refused treatment. This leads to arrests and over crowding of the prison system. Realising the immense size of this problem the Home Office instead of building more prisons, which would not solve the problems it, was decided and cross benches have been aware of Governments approval of the construction of holding centres, which began to be built around Britain. The Home Office using the Mental Health Acts will begin to forcibly detained persons who are presented as having conditions diagnosed as medically termed PD's (Personal Disorders). Parts of the Mental Heath Act allow for the detention of a person who is medically considered to be of a danger to their selves or others . The new holding centres purposely designed securely to hold a patient for periods that allow for the rehabilitation of a patient. Between one and up to five years, has been considered by most experts to be a period that allows the brain to rehabilitate and stop the panging of an addiction. The Mental Health Act is the most powerful detention order HM government can supervise. This was recently spoke about in Stephen Fry's program about bi-polar disorder in which Doctor Liz Miller explained how she was sectioned under the Act it's power can order that a patient forcibly be injected with any drug that a Doctor may wish to administer to the patient, despite the patient and his families objections. This is the most evil of all practices when considering recent event in the USA where it has been shown that the use of anti-psychotic drugs of which a drug called ZYPREXA known as Olanzapine and worth 5'8 Billion (June, 2007)to its makers Ely-Lilly is just one of them used. In a class legal action, brought against Ely Lilly. Eight thousand people who's body organs namely the pancreas where damaged to the point of making them diabetic (See here how the company is still trying to ban website from displaying information which a judge ruled on Olanzapine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) or to develop one of man's most painful conditions that of Chronic Pancreatitis. The company agreed to pay out in an out of court settlement. (Please do your own research because it is important that you understand that even after this our government still allows the use of this drug to be prescribed) Medical staff who work in Mental Health are presently to vote for an indefinite strike action, should on November 1st 2007 their colleague and an extremely brave nurse be sacked for openly criticising new plans being implemented by the former CEO of Ramptom Hospital, and who recently took up the position of CEO of Manchester Mental Health Trust. Sheila Foley is sitting as judge and jury in the disciplinary hearing of CPN (Community Psychiatric Nurse) Karen Reissmann, who after twenty-five years working in the NHS offered her professional opinion of the new plans. Karen who is a UNISON member studied along with her colleges the plans. Immediately labelling them to be unprofessional and ultimately to be unworkable. Sheila Foley was brought in, pacifically to be used to assist in carrying out government’s policy. On the very morning that Karen Reissmann was given promotion in her job she was later that day suspended from it. Nursing Staff at Manchester gave their support but were tipped off that the policy behind the reason for which Karen was speaking out against was coming from very powerful men and that it would be wiser to let Karen do the talking. As soon as Karen was explaining to a journalist why she had been suspended she was ordered that she was not to speak to anyone concerning her suspension. News was out and the Bedlam that is now happening in Manchester is just the beginning of what started in the so-called Nazi Germany. Before the Germans started on the Jews they had been carrying out solving the problems of "Personal Disorders" with the full agreement of the German Folk; they told them the problem and then told them solution. In Manchester, the Nursing Staff have held strikes. The nurses offered to cover the wards at North Manchester Mental Hospital. NHS nurses do that even when they go on strike. Sheila Foley acting some say off her own back order the Buses and those patients who could not go home, were injected ordered on to the waiting Private buses and transported out to private holding centres in Darlington and Bury Lancs. On arrival at the Bury centre the patients were woke from their drowsy drugged induced sleep, strip search and placed behind walls that ensure that no child will ever be allowed to kiss their mother or father’s lips. For the patient’s safety and to ensure that no drugs or alcohols may be passed over. A problem that cannot be controlled in the NHS they cannot get nurses or staff to do that work. However, in the holding centres things are controlled by uniformed private security personnel; The Labour Party under Mr Blair and Mr Brown received one million pounds from the owner of the Priory Centre Group. They made him a Lord. When you have seen too much and when you know too much and after being in a war zone and your mind can take no more the British Armed Services place you in the private care of these private organisations. Given enough neuroleptic drugs, you stop thinking about your environment. However, if your body is wounded then you go in to the NHS because Mr Brown sold all the British Armies Hospitals. Remember at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, how could any one forget number 33? The government are fully aware of how intelligent the people with Bi Polar are after all they know of all the master minds who suffered from the condition some say when they go high its like they become super charged. Churchill called it the black dog when he went low. Prof Basanti Puri has proven that by taking fish oil capsules that contains 90% EPA that clears the channels in the brain. He knows this because he is an expert in MRI scanning and he has seen that the brains of those patients who take this oil display changes within their brain and the depressive side, the black dog, disappears. He wrote a book on all this and thousands of patients take the oils. The Prof will tell you that he has had over three threats upon his life by the drug companies. He told the government and the civil servants informed the press. for information see the only two companys that will supply the oil at 90% EPA no DHA www.vegepa.co.uk (http://www.vegepa.co.uk)and www.mind1st.co.uk (http://www.mind1st.co.uk)The British Government are aware of the NHS Prof. B. Puri he works at the Hammersmith Hospital in London.

Benefits savings to fund therapy explosion

26.10.07

An army of 3,600 people are to be trained in cognitive behavioural therapy in order to deliver the treatment to almost a million people suffering from depression and anxiety over the next four years. Announcing the move, health secretary Alan Johnson claimed that the £170 million cost would be paid for out of savings that will result from 25,000 fewer people with mental health conditions claiming benefits
Cognitive behavioural therapy usually involves a course of 6-12 meetings with a trained therapist. The treatment deals with solving current problems rather than trying to discover the past causes of current feelings or behaviour. According to NICE it is as effective, but no more effective, than drug treatments for conditions such as depression and anxiety.
Many claimants will welcome the possibility of receiving such treatment, which is currently often unavailable from GPs surgeries or subject to a waiting list of 18 months or more.
However, there is concern that CBT may become a one size fits all remedy offered to anyone reporting a mental health condition. Not everyone with depression or anxiety will benefit from this type of quick-fix therapy. Even those who do may find that their symptoms return after a short time if the underlying causes have not been addressed.*
There are also concerns about the level of training and experience that the new wave of therapists will have and at the role that unqualified private sector Pathways to Work personal advisers may have in referring claimants for therapy.
© 2007 Steve Donnison

* This was my experience. Conversely, I have found seemingly permanent results to some of my problems with the equally quick EMDR therapy, and have been impressed by the results I have seen in others who have undergone Emotional Freedom Technique sessions. I think that there may be error in putting all the hopes on just one therapy which although it undoubtedly does have results, they are often short-lived.
I also have concerns about the competence of the practitioners, who will often have had little experience if they are to be freshly trained. I fear that the rapid introduction of the programme may result in a similar situation to the original Learn Direct Scheme, where the training offered was often on paper only and never materialised, or it was of poor quality and in the hands of those who jumped on the delivery bandwagon in order to claim the cash, but were not actually up to the task, and the claimant never got the training they had enrolled for.

[john white]

Excellent post

Do you have links?

[turtonlea]

Excellent post

Do you have links?

Yes ! Plenty I will take you high above the clouds but when you get there, tell me what you see. Here the link to the truth:-
http://http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4HPEB_en-GBGB210GB210&q=Patients+forced+to+move


Patients forced to move
Amanda Crook
29/ 8/2007


SERIOUSLY ill psychiatric patients have been bussed more than 100 miles to other units ahead of a massive strike by nurses.

Most of them have been sectioned because they are considered a risk to themselves or others and suffer from conditions such as schizophrenia, manic depression and dementia.

But health bosses have opted to close three wards and move patients from the Park House unit at North Manchester General while health workers take part in a three day walkout. Staff are protesting at the suspension of union official Karen Reissmann, a senior psychiatric nurse who has worked in Manchester for 25 years and has led opposition to a controversial review of care.

Over five hours yesterday afternoon it is understood that 21 patients were moved by bus to Darlington and a further 15 by cab to Bury. Thirty were sent home.

In past strikes - in line with NHS practice during industrial action - union leaders in talks with bosses have agreed to allow essential staff to remain on duty to care for the sickest patients along with managers and agency staff. But on this occasion bosses said all hospital staff were needed and negotiations collapsed.

It has cost Manchester Mental Health and Social Care Trust (MMHSCT) an estimated £36,000 for the patients’ care in other hospitals. The trust is already in special financial measures with a predicted debt of £2.5m.

Both sides today agreed patients were suffering as a result of the dispute but blamed the other for the stalemate.

Nurses were said to be devastated at the impact on their patients and insisted it was not necessary to close wards because they would have made sure enough staff did not strike in order to keep them open.

Unrest

Almost 90 per cent of Unison workers who took part in the ballot voted to walkout at 7am today until midnight on Friday. The unrest happened after trust bosses charged Ms Reissman with bringing the trust’s reputation into disrepute 10 weeks ago. She is accused of behaviour undermining their confidence in her as an employee; and misusing her time as a community psychiatric nurse. She has been an outspoken critic of proposed staff cuts at the trust and the transfer of NHS services to the voluntary sector.

Last night Stephanie Thomas regional head of health for Unison said: “We are disgusted at the way the trust has chosen to deal with this, we have been in constant contact with the trust to try to arrange emergency cover, we were ready to do this until 3pm yesterday.

“We believe the trust’s action have not only put patients at risk but also members of the community – we would ask for the trust’s action over the last few days to be fully investigated.”

“This decision will have a long term impact on industrial relations with the trust which were just starting to improve – it has only made staff more determined to take action in support of Karen."

MMHSCT chief executive, Sheila Foley said “Our first priority is and always will be patient care. It is deplorable that Unison has decided not to provide an adequate level of cover for these acutely ill patients therefore we have had no option but to seek care for them elsewhere.

“We understand the disruption and upset that may be experienced by our patients and carers as a result of this strike action.”

Yesterday staff were given one hour to get in-patients on three wards ready to move, some to private units where the usual cost is £350 per person, per night.

MMHSCT has units at North Manchester General, Manchester Royal Infirmary and Wythenshawe hospitals as well as providing community care across the city.

Impact

Patients have not been moved from MRI and Wythenshawe because the strike is expected to have more impact at North Manchester as this is where Ms Reissmann was based.

Ms Reissman said: “Unison has made every effort to come to arrangements with the trust but they were not interested, they asked for all staff who work on the wards to be exempt and they have not been prepared to negotiate with us.

“We have provided safe cover for patients during industrial disputes previously and we were happy to do this again, there was no need for patients to be bussed across the country or to leave them at home without community support.”

Unison leaders estimate 600 of the trust’s 1,500 staff are expected to join the walkout.

Trust bosses refused to confirm how much the arrangements would cost, saying some of the rates were still being negotiated, and insisting patient safety had to come above financial concerns. They also confirmed they would provide transport for relatives to visit patients in the units.

Alan Hartman from patient group Manchester User Network said: “We are very worried about this last minute decision to bus patients all over the country it is unprecedented, we have never seen anything like this.

“Some patients don’t even know what the arrangements are for them getting medication. We also have carers worrying themselves sick and asking for advice. We support the nurses who have been sticking up for patients and their jobs have been under threat, they have just been pushed too far.”

What do you think? Have your say.

*YOU can watch a video of Karen Reissmann talking to Channel M above.

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Well done Sheila Folie, you have suceeded in taking the attention away from the real reason that poorly paid and caring nurses, suport workers and OT's were out on strike. They were out in support of a well respected collegue and union steward who was suspended for speaking out to defend there jobs and the services provided to those with sever mental heath problems. For a trust which is experiencing finacial dfficulty it is ludicras that rather than negotiate with the union they would sooner waste money by moving ill patients to over priced private beds. When ther is a genuin need to purchase a private bed, (because the trust has reduced the number of beds it has)these can either not be found or the trust decline to fund them, yet over a matter of hours they were able to find not 1 but 30 beds!
susie of gorton
29/08/2007 at 22:52
Good luck to all those on strike. It is absolutely RIGHT that Karen Reissman should speak out against stealth privatisation and then be supported by her union.

Everyone should wake up and see that the NHS (and other public services) are up for sale. The Trust is disgusting for doing this to the patients.
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29/08/2007 at 21:22
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Journalist are leaking stories to any media outlet except their own. This story is big news, to some, but not as big as 'The Sun Britain's' Largest selling newspaper. Which helps to control events. None of the National Newspapers have carried the The Manchester Mental Health Trust Stories. Ten years ago they would of, now the job to destroy the Union's is near complete. This as given birth to Citizen Journalist. Now more important then ever.


NHS whistleblower is Standing Up for Journalism
Report by Miles Barter
Published: 27/10/07

Victimised nurse to address rally
A nurse who is facing disciplinary action for talking about the NHS to a local magazine is to be the guest speaker at the main event of a European-wide day of action in defence of journalism.

Karen Reissmann is suspended from work and in the middle of a six day disciplinary hearing accused of bringing the Manchester Mental Health and Social Care Trust into disrepute.

She has agreed to speak at a rally to mark Stand Up for Journalism day on Monday November 5.

The day - called to coincide with the Society of Editors conference in Manchester - will be marked by a two-minute work stoppage by media workers in Serbia, a demonstration outside the National Assembly in Paris, a petition to the government in Romania, and other activities all over Europe.

Stand Up for Journalism day was thought-up by the National Union of Journalists in Britain and Ireland as a way of highlighting poor working conditions and dwindling budgets in the news media.

There are events all over the UK and Ireland and the union nationally is organising a lunchtime lobby of the editor’s conference at the Radisson Hotel, Peter Street, Manchester, followed by a public meeting in the Friends Meeting House, on nearby Mount Street, where Karen Reissman will speak.

Karen, a UNISON trade union official, and a community psychiatric nurse who lives in Hulme in South Manchester, and is based for work in North Manchester General Hospital, was suspended in June after she was quoted in a Manchester-based magazine called Enterprising.

She was criticising the government policy of transferring some health services to the voluntary sector.

Karen’s colleagues believe she is being victimised for her trade union activity and they have been on strike for 11 days to back her - with at least three more days planned. UNISON - Britain’s second biggest union - is giving them full support.

Karen said: “I believe that people need to know what is happening in the health service so they can make informed decisions about their lives, and at election times.

“I am worried that cuts to editorial budgets mean that vital stories will stay secret and will not be explained.”

This year’s NUJ President Michelle Stanistreet, who works for the Sunday Express, said: “We are delighted to invite Karen to our rally and to support her campaign against victimisation.

“It is important that there are people brave enough to tell the public what is happening in the NHS and that there are experienced journalists for them to talk to.

“The media is now owned by a smaller and smaller group of extremely wealthy corporations.

“They make big profits but they want more. So journalists face a constant round of job cuts and dwindling editorial budgets. This means that more and more news is just recycled press releases.

“We want our editors to join with us and stand up to the culture of cuts. If they believe that journalism is important for democracy and for local communities they must take a stand.

“They are meeting on a site that was developed to commemorate the Peterloo massacre - when demonstrators were killed by state troopers. We hope they will take courage from history and seize the moment.”

For information about Stand Up for Journalism see:
http://www.ifj.org/default.asp?Issue=StandUpForJournalism&Language=EN (http://For information about Stand Up for Journalism see:)

For information about Karen Reissmann see:
http://www.unison.org.uk/news/news_view.asp?did=3543>
(http://For information about Karen Reissmann see:)

[turtonlea]

Look guys this is all for real research at the site and a the bbc TV This is one brave Journo who convinced her editor to print . when deaths started, he printed. Two patients have killed themselves due to what's happening, check it out. Ask what's happening to the media, all saw the repeated stories over the week's and month's which appeared in the Manchester Evening News and Socialist Worker. You see they have complete control over the Press. Using the drug in this story, should have been headlines on every paper in the world but these guys need to push this drug all over the world . Do your own research seek the Truth and thank David for this site. Really this men could be put in the Mad House and knowone would bat an eyelid after all "It's that man who was on the Wogan show, they locked him in the mad-house"

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http://http://www.socialistworker.org.uk/art.php?id=12959

National Health Service
by Karen Reissmann, chair of Unison’s Manchester community and mental health branch (pc)

Dedicated health workers do not take the decision to strike lightly. We agonise over the safety of our patients, and we worry about the way our actions will be presented in the media.

So many people will find it remarkable that 700 mental health workers in Manchester – including support workers, admin staff, nurses and therapists – are out in a series of three-day strikes.

Our action is a response to my suspension, which I was told of while helping a particularly vulnerable patient.

By speaking out against cuts, reorganisations and privatisation, I had caused my employers to “lose confidence” in me.

This strike is about the right to have a union that fights back. The branch I help lead has taken successful action to defend the NHS from threats of job losses and privatisation. In doing so we have won support from patients and the public.

For more than two decades the free market has been allowed to let rip through the NHS.

Almost all the services we provide are now considered ripe for privatisation. The result has been plummeting patient care and rock-bottom morale among staff.

After I was suspended, almost 90 percent of Unison union members at my trust voted to strike. That vote is a result of years of frustration at the way staff have been taken advantage of by management, and about what the reduced service we are able to provide will mean for our patients.

Management have made it clear that they intend to show a tough face.

I appeal to every trade unionist to get behind our fight.

The following should be read alongside this article:
» Metronet workers fight for their jobs and pensions
» Strike to defend Karen Reissmann: bosses’ strike breaking tactics come unstuck
» London Metronet tube strike wins guarantees



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http://http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/health/s/1017900_trust_accused_of_cruelty



Trust accused of cruelty
Amanda Crook
28/ 9/2007


A HEALTH trust has been accused of cruelty to patients for sending them 100 miles to a private unit during a strike.

Unison has held several walkouts over the last month to protest about Manchester Mental Health Trust's decision to suspend union official and nurse Karen Reissmann.

She is accused of bringing the trust's reputation into disrepute.

She says the union always intended to provide emergency cover during the strikes and there was no need to send patients to County Durham in August during the first dispute.

In the latest two-day walkout, which ended yesterday, she said managers struck a deal with the union to keep the wards open - proving it was `unnecessary and cruel to send people 100 miles away from their homes' in the first dispute.

Trust managers sent 17 seriously ill people, with conditions including schizophrenia and manic depression, to the hospital in Darlington. The patients returned 16 days later after a second strike.

Unison officials picketed the trust board meeting yesterday and called for trust directors to investigate the moves in August.

Bosses also sent 32 patients home and others to a private unit in Bury after closing part of the Park House unit at North Manchester General for safety reasons when the strike began.

A trust spokesman refused to say how much the private care cost but claimed they negotiated a `favourable deal'. The union estimates the care cost more than £100,000. The trust is battling a £2.5m debt.

Ms Reissmann said: "We were always willing to allow some staff to work through the strike providing emergency cover, but when we refused to let all hospital staff work through the strike they stopped negotiating with us and arranged for patients to go to private units."

Sheila Foley, trust chief executive said: "Patient safety and care is our first priority. The primary reason for moving a number of our patients to Darlington was to ensure their safety. Unison would not give the necessary exemptions to guarantee the level of care that was needed on the acute wards.

"The first round of strike action was immediately following the August Bank Holiday weekend and it was extremely difficult to get cover.

"We have been able to care for patients during this third round of strike action because we have more staff available."

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What can you expect from a union that employs people with a bus driver mentality, if they care about the job they do then why put their patients at risk??
Your Excellency, Häme, Finland
28/09/2007 at 21:11

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http://http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1013/1013474_tragedy_sheds_light_on_missing_patients_.h tml


Tragedy sheds light on missing patients
Exclusive Amanda Crook
14/ 8/2007

A MENTAL health trust investigating the death of a psychiatric patient who had walked out of a ward has revealed that more than one patient each week goes absent without leave.

Marina Segarajasinghe, 24, was being cared for at Edale House, a unit on the site of Manchester Royal Infirmary for people with severe mental illness, when she left without permission earlier this month.

Managers say they informed her family and police immediately and at 10.30am that day police found her body outside the NCP multi-storey car park in Shudehill, Manchester city centre.

Ms Segarajasinghe, from Belle Vue, Manchester, had apparently fallen more than 100ft from the upper levels of the car park. Now trust bosses admit patients regularly leave the ward without permission.

They recorded 42 cases of people going 'absent without leave' between October and March, although this includes some instances where patients are late returning from planned leave.

A spokesman for Manchester Mental Health and Social Care Trust said: "Our in-patient wards practise a high standard of individual care in which safety is of prime importance. The doors of the wards are not locked. Patients are provided with an individual plan of care within which the level of nursing observation is specified."

Wards

There have been two deaths of patients on leave from the wards over the last two years, but a coroner has yet to rule on the causes of their deaths.

A trust spokesman has refused to say whether Ms Segarajasinghe was being treated under section, how long she had been a patient at the trust and whether she was getting the right level of care.

They say they are investigating the death as a serious untoward incident and hope their review will be completed in a month.

Bosses have offered the patient's family and staff extra support

Police are understood to be reviewing CCTV footage to find out exactly what happened but a spokesman said he didn't believe there were any suspicious circumstances.


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Manchester Mental Health Trust is in shambles .Today Dr. Frank Margison resigned after stoking his pension up to a whopping £1.9 million's after news that the trust is one of the worst run trust in Britain. Reward for failure can never be correct, how many more patients have to die before our government calls time of these greed mongers?
Turton, Manchester Central
15/08/2007 at 16:41

[turtonlea]

http://http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/health/s/1016290_health_dispute_patients_brought_home
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Health dispute patients brought home
Amanda Crook
13/ 9/2007

PATIENTS bussed more than 100 miles because of an industrial dispute were being brought back to Manchester today.

The 17 patients, seriously ill with conditions including schizophrenia and manic depression, were taken to a private unit in Darlington, Co Durham, when strike action by Unison began two weeks ago.

Members of the union completed their sixth day of action yesterday in protest over the suspension of union activist Karen Reissmann, who has worked in Manchester for 25 years and led a walkout over planned service and job cuts earlier this year.

Now Unison branch secretaries Derrick Goold and Caroline Bedale have written to NHS North West chief executive Mike Farrar.

The letter reads: "We are asking you to intervene in our Trust to try and resolve issues which are damaging to our patients and to the NHS. We are concerned that in an unprecedented move in the history of NHS strikes, wards have been closed and patients sent up to 100 miles away."

Sheila Foley, chief executive of Manchester Mental Health and Social Care Trust, said the 17 patients were coming home today.

She added: "Before both periods of strike action, we made exhaustive efforts to obtain essential cover for the strike period to ensure that care for our patients would not be disrupted.

"Unison were, on both occasions, unco-operative which made the move to Darlington and the length of stay essential to ensure the best possible clinical care and treatment."

A spokesman for NHS North West said: "The suspension of Karen Reissmann is a matter for MMHSCT as the employer and not something the Strategic Health Authority would get involved in."
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It should never have got to this stage, keep up the good work guys. You are all angels. Don't let them beat you down. I can't do the job you're doing, but we all have our own niches eh :)
LookingForLogic, Stockport
14/09/2007 at 02:01

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Health workers want MP's help
Amanda Crook
27/ 9/2007

HEALTH workers have taken their battle to get a suspended union leader reinstated to the top.

Ten members of Unison spoke to MPs at the Labour Party Conference in Bournemouth on their 7th day of industrial action in protest after Manchester Mental Health and Social Care Trust suspended senior nurse Karen Reissmann.

They are hoping MPs will support them by putting pressure on the trust to allow Ms Reissmann, who is accused of damaging the trust's reputation, to return to work. But bosses say the strike will not influence their investigation.

The industrial action has already seen patients with serious conditions such as schizophrenia sent home and 17 were transferred 100 miles away to a private unit in Darlington, Co Durham.

Unison branch secretary Vall Midson said: "We have come to Bournemouth to let MPs know what is going on in our trust - that they are trying to prevent trade unions from carrying out legitimate protests and from telling people what is going on inside their NHS.

Support

"We are hoping they will support us and back our appeal to get Karen's suspension overturned. We also want to let people know about the mess the trust is in, so that hopefully people will help us try to improve it."

Ms Reissmann, who has worked as a psychiatric nurse in Manchester for 25 years was suspended nearly three months ago on the day she was promoted. The strike will continue today .

The trust was recently ranked as providing the third worst community psychiatric care in Britain by a health watchdog and put in special financial measures to tackle a predicted £2.5m debt.

A spokesman for the trust: "We are disappointed that Unison is continuing to take industrial action but recognises their right to do so. This action cannot and will not have an effect on the suspension.

"The investigation is ongoing and is being carried out in a transparent and impartial manner. When this process is completed, then and only then will a decision be made about what, if any, further action should be taken."

What do you think? Have your say.

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http://http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1013/1013666_bonusrow_health_boss_quits.html



Bonus-row health boss quits
Amanda Crook
16/ 8/2007

THE top medic at Manchester's struggling mental health trust has resigned, prompting questions over its future.

Dr Frank Margison is quitting as medical director of Manchester Mental Health and Social Care Trust.

It was recently ranked the third worst provider of community psychiatric care in the country by the government's health watchdog.

The organisation was also put into special financial measures earlier in May to tackle a predicted £2.5m debt.

Despite that, the M.E.N. can reveal Dr Margison has recently received a £50,000 bonus - for the sixth year running.

Trust bosses have been in dispute with health workers, represented by the union Unison, over a major review of care and managers have this week backed down over proposed staff cuts. The results of a ballot on industrial action over the suspension of a union organiser are expected later today.

A senior source within the trust told the M.E.N. that some directors are questioning the trust's future.

It is understood chief executive Sheila Foley is facing tough questions about how the trust can be improved.

Unison branch steward Val Midgson said: "Staff are pleased Frank has gone, and that he had the decency to resign. We hold him and the other directors responsible for the mess we are in and have been in for the last few years. We hope other directors will follow him and we will see the start of a new era at the trust where we can focus on improving care for our patients.

Angry

"We are extremely angry about the bonus payment, especially as we are in turnaround and services have been pared back to the bone and we have raised it with the chief executive." Dr Margison has worked in Manchester's health services for 20 years, and has been with the trust since it was founded in 2000.

He will remain in post until a permanent replacement is found and it is understood he will then continue working as psychotherapist for the trust.

Wyn Dignan, chairman of the trust, said: "The medical directorate has progressed greatly under Frank's leadership and as chairman I have personally benefited from his wealth of clinical knowledge."

Trust chief executive Sheila Foley said: "Frank has made a significant contribution to the trust during a very difficult and changing period. He has considerable clinical skills and expertise which are very much valued on the board and his input will be missed."

But some staff blamed Dr Margison for the chaotic reorganisation which has been taking place over the last two years. They also held him responsible for employing a psychiatrist who lied about his qualifications. And there was anger after it emerged that Dr Margison had recently been given a £50,000 `distinction award' payment and will receive a pension equivalent to £1.5m.

The trust is one of two health bodies in the region to be put into the government's `turnaround' program because it is already predicting it will be £2.5m in the red by March next year.

Now they must provide regional health bosses with a financial update every two weeks.

A spokesman for the trust said Mr Margison's £50,000 payment had been funded by the government and the money had not come out of the trust's own budget.

"There is not a bonus payment, it is a Clinical Excellence Award," the spokesman said.

"It is decided by the Advisory Committee on Clinical Excellence Awards, which is the national body who determine distinction payments for consultants.

"When the award is made the extra funding is then allocated to the trust budget by the Department of Health for payment of the award."

Alan Hartman, of patient group Manchester Users Network, said: "We are concerned this will mean more change at the trust, which we feel has been going downhill since it was formed with so many cuts and so much change."

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Certainly does Ace. Clinical Excellence Award?! What a joke.
LookingForLogic, Stockport
17/08/2007 at 00:56
Rats sinking ships come to mind?
ace, manchester
16/08/2007 at 10:12

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http://http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/health/s/1020027_tragic_price_of_nhs_shakeup




Tragic price of NHS shake-up
Amanda Crook
17/10/2007


THE M.E.N. today lifts the lid on the human cost of a controversial shake-up in mental health care.

William Scott, 49, from Blackley, Manchester, died of multiple stab wounds which his family say were self-inflicted after he lost the support worker he had relied on for eight years.

Mental health workers fear at least one other death is linked to the changes and believe others are at risk. Mr Scott's relatives say he committed suicide after the carer who visited him three times a week was moved to another job.

Mr Scott, a grandfather, was left without any support at home for three weeks. His family claim to have repeatedly asked for him to be sectioned and taken into hospital as his health suddenly deteriorated.

His death on September 28 is now being investigated by Manchester Mental Health and Social Care Trust, which is also looking into the care of another community patient who died in a fall earlier this month.

The M.E.N. has learned that the patient had also complained about losing her carer.

Since the middle of August, the trust has re-organised its community care team, with staff being shifted around to new roles. Nurses, who have spoken to the M.E.N, say they warned the shake-up, called Change in Mind, was unsafe.

They claim the service is now in meltdown with many people relapsing and patients waiting for beds because there is no room on the wards. One nurse is so worried about her patients she has been visiting them in her own time.

Trust bosses say they cannot discuss Mr Scott's care or his family's concerns that he had no visits for three weeks but admit a few patients are waiting for beds. They insist safety has been their main concern during the service changes.

Mr Scott's daughter, Emma, 24, from Langley, Middleton, said: "We tried repeatedly to get my dad admitted to hospital. I asked them - `Does he have to hurt himself or someone else before he gets help?'

"He had an excellent support worker who visited him two or three times a week. Dad was very upset when he heard that there were changes coming and he'd be getting someone else.

"But after his support worker left he went three weeks without any home visits.

"We don't blame the nurses or support worker who looked after him so well, for so long."

The week after Mr Scott's death the other patient plunged to her death.

She had been treated for many years successfully for depression but was upset when her carer was moved on. Mr Scott had been cared for in the community for 24 years.

Andy Gill, of health workers' union Unison, said: "Even ahead of the publication of the ill-fated Change in Mind, nurses in Manchester were saying it was a recipe for disaster, particularly the apparent gap between the situation managers were saying was needed and the level of work the service was trying to support."

A senior nurse at the trust said: " Some patients are definitely not getting the same level of support they used to get. I'm so worried I am visiting one of my patients in my own time, and I'm not the only one doing this." Another nurse said: "There are not enough nurses left looking after patients in the community. People are moving to new jobs and there are not people in place to look after their patients.

"Some patients who are ready to be discharged are still in hospital because we can't provide the intensive support they need when they first come into the community and this means other people who need inpatient care can't get a bed. Some people are sleeping on chairs because there are no beds left."

Unison is in a dispute with trust bosses after they suspended union official Karen Reissmann for speaking out about the changes.

A trust spokesman said up to five people have been on the waiting list for hospital beds in recent weeks. He said: "If we have needed to transfer our service users' care from one team to another, safety has always been our prime concern."

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Thank you for your support, i am the daughter of william and my mum sue.We want to first say we are so glad that it hit front page newspapers as we feel mental health is ignored and we want to raise the concerns that this should not happen to anybody.As a family we want to make sure this does not happen again to any other family and we are going to do all we can to highlight the problems until changes are made for the better!!! My dad was a happy go lucky man with a newborn grandaughter and a large supportive family he was not short of love or help, and loved and lived for the future. why??? did this happen???? please leave you comments or e-mail at empoppy@yahoo.co.uk
ema123
24/10/2007 at 00:23
I understand exactly the frustration experienced by Mr Scott's family at the lack of support received. My husband took his own life just before Christmad and it had been a constant battle to try and get appropriate support. At one point in his "care" he was without support for 13 months. How many more times will this be allowed to happen befofre the service improves. Very sincere condolences t the family Straighthead
straighthead
23/10/2007 at 15:02

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This letter is leaked and to protect the person, from people who one MP in his latest book says are responsible for the Murder of Doctor David Kelly. Remember to thank Mr Terry Wogan BBC Television for many years ago taking the Piss out of one man who said I am not mad this is really happening. What happen was others felt for this man but at the time felt powerless and did not know how to help David. Except to read his books and stand up in the pub and say to roars of laughter "That David Ickes tells the truth" This is why when you read what's said here you can rest assured that what's being said is now happening all over the World. Many who are now dead wished to see the days ahead, for when they heard Mr Icke's words they knew he spoke the truth because the same thing was happening to them. This is how today you are reading a letter from a concerned top civil Servant writing a letter to a colleague about the welfare state that millions died in to in two world wars to see happen, a NHS for their families and to last them from cradle to grave. He as a citizen is worried about lie detectors Please e-mail the press and the MP's To ask about why nothing is being said by the press and our elected MP's Just fire an e-mail off stand up and be counted look what happened to Mr, Icke:-

In a message dated 25/10/2007 17:00:13 GMT Standard Time, Xxxxxx.Xxxxxxxx@DWP.GSI.GOV.UK writes:
Dear XXXXX,

Thanks for this, although being an official really difficult to talk about this, not least because I am unclear of the specific details. In turn I can't as an official sign up to the petition, or be seen to be lobbying. However being part of the National Social Inclusion Programme it is perfectly within our scope to explore this further and we will.

Discussions with service users suggest a great deal of trepidation and fear around what is already perceived to be a difficult organisation to engage with. If this new proposal in turn leads to further exclusion and worsening mental health then the case needs to be made as to it's relevance.

We are as you know absolutely weighed down with things to do at present, but this is quite a strange and worrying development, and conscience suggests that we should explore further.

Xxxxx, grateful if we could please speak about this.

As a private citizen, I will follow your recommendations.

Regards

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I havnt got the attention span to read thru this thread but will do later,
are there any other sources for the DWP using lie detectors??

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I havnt got the attention span to read thru this thread but will do later,
are there any other sources for the DWP using lie detectors??



Here you are:

http://http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ofbenefit/#detail

DWP proposals to use 'lie detector'-style technology from 2008 on benefit claimants should be vehemently resisted. The technology will be used on claimants telephone calls, and now all new claims have to be made over the telephone. It is not clear whether the claimant will be informed of the detector or if this will be routine.

This technology is not infallible. If they wont allow lie detectors into court to prove guilt, how can they do it over the phone. It will do more to prevent those who are deserving and vulnerable from claiming the support they need than it will to weed out the skilled and practised liars who can in any case fool the technology. As a claimant, if you think they think you are lying there may be a tendency to become nervous and defensive. It will stigmatise those who seek support when in need as potential liars and cheats and make the process of accessing the basic means of survival stressful and humiliating.

Please sign this petition if you are against the increasingly abhorrent treatment of the vulnerable in need of support, object to this technology being used on benefit claimants and want to petition the PM not to introduce it.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ofbenefit/#detail

Please also write to you MP - this can be done easily via http://www.writetothem.com/

We have to stand up for out civil liberties. Please forward this mail to any UK citizens you know who may be concerned.


You could just about make a Sunday Newspaper with this news!!

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This Has Been A Rush Transcript. This Copy May Not Be In Its Final Form And May Be Updated.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DWYTKiUiyZ8


If you do a search at You Tube of Nurse Karen Reissmenn you will hear all about it.

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Link Todays Manchrster Evening New Todays Headlines

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1021954_threeday_strike_planned_by_nurses




Three-day strike planned by nurses
Yakub Qureshi
30/10/2007

NURSES caring for mental health patients will hold three more days of strikes in support of a suspended colleague.

Around 700 nurses and other health workers in Manchester will walk out this week to protest the ongoing suspension of local trade union leader Karen Reissmann.

The psychiatric nurse is the subject of a disciplinary hearing for allegedly bringing the Manchester Mental Health and Social Care Trust into disrepute.

The trust suspended Ms Reissmann, the Unison branch chairman, for her role in leading a protest against changes to local services.

Unison has announced plans for strikes tomorrow, Thursday and Friday to coincide with the final days of the union representative's disciplinary hearing.

They plan to hold protests outside the trust's Chorlton House headquarters in Chorlton, where the hearing is taking place.

Workers have already been on strike for a total of 11 days in protest over Ms Reissmann's suspension.

The action resulted in 17 seriously ill patients, unable to receive emergency cover, being treated at another hospital in Darlington, Co Durham, for two weeks.

Ms Reissmann, who also sits on the union's executive panel, was suspended in June after speaking out against a shake-up of community care.

Union members, including occupational therapists and administrative staff as well as nurses, warned that if she was sacked they would stage further strike action.

A Unison spokesman said: "She has worked as a nurse in Manchester for 25 years and on the day she was suspended, she was also promoted. Unison believes this is an attack on their union and an attempt to prevent Karen from speaking out."

The trust has also faced criticism from relatives of William Scott, who they claim committed suicide last month after losing his support worker and being left without home visits for three weeks.

Trust bosses have appealed to staff to cancel their walkout, saying they are putting patients at risk.

A trust spokesman said: "We have contingency plans in place for the strike period and patient care remains our priority."

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If you strike... strike completely. Leave NO support, No service... strike until you get everything you ask for. If you work in the postal service and strike... leave no service whatsoever. People have, do and will die. People have, will and do go to prison for standing up for the rights of all. Unfortunately this is the real level of seriousness we are at. This country needs bringing to its knees. Either way you will bite the bullet so bite whilst you have some options left. Strike with NO cover, secondary picketing, wildcats... the lot.

[turtonlea]

If you strike... strike completely. Leave NO support, No service... strike until you get everything you ask for. If you work in the postal service and strike... leave no service whatsoever. People have, do and will die. People have, will and do go to prison for standing up for the rights of all. Unfortunately this is the real level of seriousness we are at. This country needs bringing to its knees. Either way you will bite the bullet so bite whilst you have some options left. Strike with NO cover, secondary picketing, wildcats... the lot.


KINK:http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1021954_threeday_strike_planned_by_nurses


Three-day strike planned by nurses
Yakub Qureshi
30/10/2007

NURSES caring for mental health patients will hold three more days of strikes in support of a suspended colleague.

Around 700 nurses and other health workers in Manchester will walk out this week to protest the ongoing suspension of local trade union leader Karen Reissmann.

The psychiatric nurse is the subject of a disciplinary hearing for allegedly bringing the Manchester Mental Health and Social Care Trust into disrepute.

The trust suspended Ms Reissmann, the Unison branch chairman, for her role in leading a protest against changes to local services.

Unison has announced plans for strikes tomorrow, Thursday and Friday to coincide with the final days of the union representative's disciplinary hearing.

They plan to hold protests outside the trust's Chorlton House headquarters in Chorlton, where the hearing is taking place.

Workers have already been on strike for a total of 11 days in protest over Ms Reissmann's suspension.

The action resulted in 17 seriously ill patients, unable to receive emergency cover, being treated at another hospital in Darlington, Co Durham, for two weeks.

Ms Reissmann, who also sits on the union's executive panel, was suspended in June after speaking out against a shake-up of community care.

Union members, including occupational therapists and administrative staff as well as nurses, warned that if she was sacked they would stage further strike action.

A Unison spokesman said: "She has worked as a nurse in Manchester for 25 years and on the day she was suspended, she was also promoted. Unison believes this is an attack on their union and an attempt to prevent Karen from speaking out."

The trust has also faced criticism from relatives of William Scott, who they claim committed suicide last month after losing his support worker and being left without home visits for three weeks.

Trust bosses have appealed to staff to cancel their walkout, saying they are putting patients at risk.

A trust spokesman said: "We have contingency plans in place for the strike period and patient care remains our priority."

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The Journalist who brought the truth behind the sacking of Nurse Karen Reissmann is to be nominated for an award. This story is linked at www.reinstate-karen.org You here were told the truth over a year ago. See the www.manchesterusersnetwork.wordpress.com where the minutes of a meeting are published and show the British Mental Health Minister is informed of the journalist award. The same Minister who is seeing through the evil mind controlled concentration camps being built for "Revolving Door Patients" all over Britain . When Nurse Reissmann spoke out against the "mindless Changes" she was "SACKED" Google Karen Reissmann for thousands of newspaper AND Media copy. Remember that you heard it here first at www.davidIckes.com website a year ago!


READ IN FULL HERE HOW THE NWO ARE USEING A DRUG CALLED ZYPREXIA TO CONTROL THE POPULATIONS AND HOW 19 STATES IN THE USA HAVE MOVED AGAINST THE DRUG COMPANY ELI LILLY TO STOP THE PRESCRIBING OF THE DRUG. HERE IN FAST ASLEEP BRITAIN THE NEWS IS KEPT QUITE. READ THE STORY A YEAR ON , READ HERE "BRITAINS MINDLESS CHANGES INSIDE THE MAD HOUSE"


Mental Health Minister Ivan Lewis MP
Notes of Meeting 8th August 2008 at Therapy Centre, Park House.
Meeting with Ivan Lewis MP, Minister for Mental Health.
http://manchesterusersnetwork.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/ivan-lewis-minister.jpg

Introductions

Chairman (Alan Hartman) opened the meeting• List of forthcoming meetings of interest to service users circulated

• The MUN proposal for Patients’ Council has been forwarded to Manchester Mental Health and Social Care Trust (MMHSCT) but no response as yet.
• MUN report on user views about day services review and other matters has been sent to Manchester Mental Health Joint Commissioning Executive (JCE). Response awaited.
• MUN has previously voted to support the reinstatement of Karen Reissman (KR) who was dismissed from MMHSCT. KR asked that users concentrate on improving mental health services rather than further pursuing her case. A further vote in favour of her reinstatement was proposed, seconded and agreed by the meeting by majority show of hands.
• MUN has previously called for the resignation of the MMHSCT chairperson because the group lacks confidence in her engagement with service users and their views. A further vote on this was proposed, seconded and agreed by the meeting by majority show of hands. Chairman pointed out that formal complaints about appointed persons, e.g. the chairperson of a trust, should go through the Appointments Commission and that only 60 complaints were made nationally in the last year of the whole country. (Over 10 Complaints have gone to the Appointments commission
• The chair raised a point from recent discussions with MMHSCT that they appear to expect users’ dissatisfaction with services to be reflected in formal complaints. The chair pointed out that this is a course of action that is difficult to follow because of need to fill out forms. Many service users would be reluctant to make a complaint but still feel that their views should be heard.

Ivan Lewis MP
Chairman introduced Ivan Lewis (IL) saying that he has worked for many years in the past in mental health in voluntary and paid capacity and has always dealt fairly with the users’ groups. He has supported the need for a genuine user voice to improve services and was the first MP ever to attend a user group meeting. He is now the first government minister ever to do so.
Chairman informed IL about previous votes taken in the meeting.

• Chairman has sent MUN proposal for patients’ council to IL and asked for comment. IL said that users should, in principle, elect their own representatives. There are problems when it is not clear who a representative is representing and they should not just represent their own views. MUN secretary pointed out that the MUN proposal has been discussed and supported at a National Social Inclusion Forum meeting.
• IL asked that he should hear the views of the meeting about how they feel services should improve. This is more important than going over old grievances with the Trust when there should be new opportunities now for a fresh start. There is general agreement that NHS patients need a stronger voice although there are other voices to be heard, e.g. clinicians, carers.
• IL said he was not aware of MMHSCT structures for user participation.
From the floor; as a LINKS representative the Trust board had not welcomed involvement but now had LINKS as observer. One service user sits at board meetings (status not clear from this discussion) but has no contact with MUN and MUN do not feel he represents service users.
MMHSCT provide MUN with an office at Park House.
Mental Health Joint Commissioning Team (JCT) runs a forum for everyone to have a say (Stakeholders Engagement Forum).
• Secretary pointed out that MUN is recognised as a formally constituted group by the Scarman Trust and the Community Foundation. It has members across Manchester and is frequently consulted by the press and other media. The Department of Work and Pensions have dealt with the group as representative of users’ interests.
• From the floor; Having a Voice, a user led organisation had its funding withdrawn and had to lay off staff.
• From the floor; MMHSCT managers have come to MUN meetings by invitation but relations have got worse lately.
John Boyington consulted with MUN in preparing his report on mental health services. He advocated greater user involvement.
• Chairman commented that the user groups were more active in improving things for users in the past, e.g. producing a user help card, but have now been forced to be more reactive to service management because not listened to.
• From the floor; I feel treated rudely and with contempt by some Trust staff and managers since I was involved with user group. I feel the user group can force more respect.
• Chairman; The Change in Mind changes have made services worse for me. I have to rely on other service users for support.
• From the floor; I have used services for 25 years. I was asked in 1997 what services I wanted and said I need depot clinic and drop in service. I was listened to then but now services have got worse. I feel unsupported.
• From the floor; The women’s group and the walking group have been lost. It should go back to how it was.
• From the floor; What tragedy or death needs to happen before services help us? We used to have good 24 hour services from nurses when in crisis. Now Pearl Unit just deals with you on the phone and tells you what is wrong. We used to get a home visit in a crisis with an assessment and help to sort things out. Change in Mind has removed such services. A week ago someone died because help was not available. We need 24 hour accessible emergency services. It took me 10 hours to get a distressed friend to hospital, a patient helping another patient, crisis resolution service said they could not come out and help. The Samaritans were more help. After a 6 hour wait at A&E my friend was prescribed valium, saw a doctor for 7 minutes and sent home in a taxi. I was asked to watch her for risk of suicide. We need the Government to ensure we get good services.
• IL; The Government cannot control all local trusts. This Trust has been malfunctioning for years. The implementation of changes has gone badly wrong. Significant numbers of people have been left in a bad situation.
• From the floor; Nothing happened when the Trust chair promised the user group she would sort out crisis resolution services.
• From the floor; (nurse care co-ordinator) There is no management of the Trust board from above. A lot of money has been wasted and management is top heavy. Need to start again with the Trust. They are not accountable.
IL; The Strategic Health Authority (SHA) commissioned the (John Boyington) report. You are entitled to good leadership and management. Patients should influence and trigger change but managers should still have the responsibility to manage. Staff and users have been let down. Manchester’s mental health services are not good enough and this is down to bad management.
• From the floor; There is a difference between consultation and involvement. There were consultation meetings for the older people’s mental health strategy but no involvement of users in producing the report. Also, there are different services in different Manchester districts. Services are being cut. There are no therapeutic activities and nothing to do for patients in hospital wards.
• From the floor; Why does it take so long to get an operation? I have to wait 4 months
IL; There have been big improvements, form years waiting to months.
• From the floor; How can we have greater social inclusion and integration to society when medication numbs performance? The government is pushing the movement towards employment.
IL; Stigma, prejudice and discrimination is still a big issue. The government is spending £80 million with four charities to tackle stigma. The expansion of psychological therapies in primary care will support people but Manchester is still a long way behind. Lots of people want to make a bigger contribution to society and we need to help with this.
• From the floor; Crisis resolution keeps coming up. This has been discussed by the SEVA team (SEVA are community development workers improving mental health and services for black and ethnic minority services in Manchester). SEVA can help user group gather evidence about people’s experiences. There is a lack of integration between health and social care in practice.
IL; Agree health and social care not integrated in Manchester. A large amount of money has gone into mental health services in recent years. The mental health National Service Framework (NSF) has a strong consensus behind it but in Manchester we are still behind. Still need to involve people in the process of change. The SHA has recognised the problems and now needs to get to grips with them.
• From the floor; The reinstatement of Karen Reissman would help build bridges.
IL; As a minister I cannot take a position on this.
• From the floor; Money spent on the SHA report could have been better spent (N.B. This was cited at £600,000 but later comment pointed out that this figure was for a report on services across the North West).
IL; It was a useful report.
• From the floor; There has been a systematic removal of user groups, especially those for black and ethnic minority communities, over the years. We need to strengthen them and have a structure for listening to user groups.
IL; The best user groups are independent and strong but are not best seen as adversaries of management. We need a fresh start in Manchester with users and managers working in partnership. We now have a blank sheet, let’s try to work together. Manchester has a history of adversarial relationships.
From the floor; This happens when you feel you are ignored. Need to move away from feelings of hurt and anger.
IL; There are really brilliant staff in the Trust doing a good job.
• From the floor; Staff should not be dismissed for voicing an opinion. I have heard staff say now that they don’t feel safe to voice an opinion.
Chairman; MUN campaigned for KR because it was in the interests of patients.
IL; Any successful organisation needs to have a voice for its staff. This is recommended in the recent NHS review by Lord Darzi. But staff cannot have a veto over change. Need to work together on necessary change.
From the floor; Recent reactions have arisen from extreme local circumstances.
Chairman; The power of veto by service users works in Holland. The most vulnerable people cannot speak for themselves, for example the users of Mainway as shown in the MUN report.
IL; I cannot consider individual services. We should not change things for the sake of it if services are of good quality. I will respond in writing to the MUN report.
From the floor; Change can be good but recent changes have meant a loss of services, nursing, day services. The Trust had no way to manage change. Most of us are terrified there could be further cuts. Need to look at management.
IL; Any successful organisation needs good management. We need to get some good leaders.

• From the floor; What proposals do the Conservatives have for mental health?
IL; They have no proposals. In most parts of the country, the NSF has improved services.
Chairman; I speak by phone to users in other parts of the country and they say services are terrible.
IL; But there has been a high level of investment but in Manchester there has been poor management. My job is to ensure there will be good leadership in future.

• From the floor; (Psychiatrist) Changes should have taken place in Manchester from 1999 and change here was not managed to ensure continuity of good services. Pearl unit is a good concept despite bad user experience. Trust management has been dysfunctional and the John Boyington report made some good and bold points. We should be able to trust in managers. Users should see this as an opportunity, not a threat.
• Secretary; Manchester Evening News journalist was presented with an award for work on mental health services. (Secretary presented Ivan Lewis with a collection of news cuttings).
• From the floor; (Manchester Alliance for Community Care) The John Boyington report does not deal with whether services are working effectively. Locally there are no well worked out corporate or strategic links with voluntary sector.
IL; The role of voluntary sector services is very important.

• IL; I will feedback this meeting to the Strategic Health Authority.
Chairman; Thanks to Ivan Lewis for coming and listening. We hope we can work in partnership with the Trust in future.

• Chairman; Jackie Daniel, the temporary chief executive of MMHSCT has been contacted. A meeting is being planned for 19th August at Mainway.
Next Manchester Users Network meeting will be on Wednesday 13th August at 10.30 at the User group Office.

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please can you sticky this.....im enduring some of this patient treatment and i can relate to all this inaction going on in psychiatrist hospitals....ive had enough of being isolated in my community and want to start a drop-in service for ppl with mental health issues...ive seen it work well with volunteers in other places and im outraged at the pathetic treatment i got while in hospital care...indeed there is no care and its not good enough....people are dying of isolation.......time we got it together....fuck the professionals its our lives that are being wrecked....if you have no one to speak to all day and night for months on end you are going to get worse and well we all need somebody dont we....even in our madness and im ashamed the way things are going i could be next to give it up...please if anyone can offer advise on helping ourselves to help others it would be appreciated and you know a safe environment is all wee need.

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The moderator is the person who is able to sticky these post I am sure he/she will do so when they have chance to view it.

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I dont sign on..doenst bpother me...but it is sinister none the less

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Supporters of the Manchester nurse Karen Reissmann, sacked for speaking
out, have launched a fund to help pay for her legal costs. "Karen's
case raises fundamental issues of justice. She deserves all the support
we can give her" said Tony Benn.

Paul Reed from the Manchester User Network (MUN) said " MUN have
supported Karen from day 1 because we know the injustice behind the
case. We are happy to contribute in any way we can and call on our
fellow Mancunians to do likewise."

They assembled in the NUJ offices in Manchester exactly one year since
Karen was sacked by Manchester's Mental Health Trust for speaking out
about cuts and privatisation of services. Her employment Tribunal for
unfair dismissal will be heard in Manchester on 26th January 2009. Since
her dismissal Karen has been elected onto UNISON's national executive.

Mark Steel, comedian said "Karen and her supporters clearly had the
interests of patients at heart, whilst the Trust had the interest of
saving money. So obviously Karen Reissmann is the hero and the Trust the
villain, but somehow in modern Britain the people in charge can decide
its the other way round."

Graham Pink, a retired nurse from Stockport who was himself unfairly
dismissed for speaking out about care of the elderly 18 years ago said
"I am appalled that nearly 2 decades after my case this unacceptable
treatment could be inflicted on a caring nurse."

Other patrons of Karen's legal defence fund are John Leech, Lib Dem MP
for Withington, John McDonnell, Labour MP, Robert Lizar, Manchester
solicitor and Hilary Wainwright, writer.

Donations can be made to "Karen Reissmann legal defence fund, Unity
Trust Bank, sort 08-60-01, acc no 20215859 and sent to Kathy Crotty,
treasurer, 181 St Mary's Rd, Manchester M40 0BN.

For more information contact 07972 120 451


www.manchesterusersnetwork.org.uk

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"Insanity is a perfectly natural adjustment to a totally unnatural and negative environment".
-R.D. Lang


"Your suffering is your guide".
- Michael Tsarion

[lostinstrangeworld]

The government are fully aware of how intelligent the people with Bi Polar are after all they know of all the master minds who suffered from the condition some say when they go high its like they become super charged. Churchill called it the black dog when he went low. Prof Basanti Puri has proven that by taking fish oil capsules that contains 90% EPA that clears the channels in the brain. He knows this because he is an expert in MRI scanning and he has seen that the brains of those patients who take this oil display changes within their brain and the depressive side, the black dog, disappears. He wrote a book on all this and thousands of patients take the oils. The Prof will tell you that he has had over three threats upon his life by the drug companies. He told the government and the civil servants informed the press. for information see the only two companys that will supply the oil at 90% EPA no DHA www.vegepa.co.uk and www.mind1st.co.uk The British Government are aware of the NHS Prof. B. Puri he works at the Hammersmith Hospital in London.

Interesting.

[beldazar]

Holy shit! I havent read all through the first post but I got struck when I read about a lie detector, lie detectors only detect STRESS! How many millions will be wrongly judged?

This is seriously fucked up :mad:

Ive just read a bit more, forced medications, well thats been going on for years so now they want to strengthen it?

This is very, very disturbing

[tracker]

shame , i could have used all this info on my thread called

time to be a chameleon survival thread , but none the less this is a fantistic thread , well done so good too .

i knew this but didnt have the facts to back it up like you . you are right , those who have ailments will naturally sound bad on the phone anyway , but whats the plan behind it all ?

its to make them really ill so that the drug industry can have more profits , drs get more profits , more departments are then created around those who are labbelled mentally ill even if they are not .
also its to make people focus more on their beinfits etc thus they put more energy in getting onto big brother for help .

its the classic trap .
create a problem , then be the solution .

yes !
you have to learn how to stay calm , focused and on the ball with no apparent pitch tones of your voice changing , its the only way .

[skyline]

Here you are:

http://http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ofbenefit/#detail

DWP proposals to use 'lie detector'-style technology from 2008 on benefit claimants should be vehemently resisted. The technology will be used on claimants telephone calls, and now all new claims have to be made over the telephone. It is not clear whether the claimant will be informed of the detector or if this will be routine.

This technology is not infallible. If they wont allow lie detectors into court to prove guilt, how can they do it over the phone. It will do more to prevent those who are deserving and vulnerable from claiming the support they need than it will to weed out the skilled and practised liars who can in any case fool the technology. As a claimant, if you think they think you are lying there may be a tendency to become nervous and defensive. It will stigmatise those who seek support when in need as potential liars and cheats and make the process of accessing the basic means of survival stressful and humiliating.

Please sign this petition if you are against the increasingly abhorrent treatment of the vulnerable in need of support, object to this technology being used on benefit claimants and want to petition the PM not to introduce it.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ofbenefit/#detail

Please also write to you MP - this can be done easily via http://www.writetothem.com/

We have to stand up for out civil liberties. Please forward this mail to any UK citizens you know who may be concerned.


You could just about make a Sunday Newspaper with this news!!


As millions face hardship through the manipulated credit crunch,the fear stress and anxiety will damage the mental state of anyone is is not fully aware of the agenda

Millions may be shipped to these priory centres,priory eh nice choice of words,this is just madness

We sit and moan as armchair activists,not all but the majority me included while Nazi Germany manifests itself before our eyes

[bvwh]

yeah this really fucked up.

a lie detector over the phone is not the way to decide if someone genuinely needs money for food, etc. that's crazy behaviour.

as for the bi-polar issue, I believe it is slowly becoming common knowledge that a good diet and plenty of fish oil will be a million times more beneficial than manufactured anti-depressants, but that doesn't help if doctors are still prescribing what governments and drug companies recommend, rather than what they know to be true.

it's all very sad.

[duckingdafta]

only took two hours to get through...worth every minute!..IMO.. thank you.

[killmicrosoft]

the drug is called ZYPREXA not ZYPREXIA


!@£$%^&*()!@£$%^&*()_@£$%^&*()!@£$%^&*()_@£$%^&*()_QWEER

[belial]

Love is what you need to solve this problem.

The mad house is like a spoon. It can be bent, but you need to bend it back.

[bellini]

yeah this really fucked up.

a lie detector over the phone is not the way to decide if someone genuinely needs money for food, etc. that's crazy behaviour.

as for the bi-polar issue, I believe it is slowly becoming common knowledge that a good diet and plenty of fish oil will be a million times more beneficial than manufactured anti-depressants, but that doesn't help if doctors are still prescribing what governments and drug companies recommend, rather than what they know to be true.

it's all very sad.

'they can know our names, where we live, what we do, but they can NEVER know, what we think, what we'll say, or how we will act!'
keep faith stay positive have pure thought, believe in the good of people, and we will prevail! Bellini Nov '08, in the here and now x.

[turtonlea]

only took two hours to get through...worth every minute!..IMO.. thank you.

Many thanks for taking time to read all of the Post, the people who read this site and I can confirm, this includes many who work in the UK government. 33 States inside the USA have now given legal notice that this drug must not be used in their State, however,, here in the UK this drug is still be prescribe to patients and thanks to sites like this ,those who can receive the information concerning the horrors of this drug can now question the Doctors who have prescribed it to them.

Braking News: Doctor Adam Osborne, Brother of British Shadow Minister George Osborne has been banned from working as a Doctor after being found to have allegedly prescribed drugs to his pals. Full story here at the following:

www.manchesterusersnetwork.org.uk (http://manchesterusersnetwork.org.uk)

[the nine]

'they can know our names, where we live, what we do, but they can NEVER know, what we think, what we'll say, or how we will act!'
keep faith stay positive have pure thought, believe in the good of people, and we will prevail! Bellini Nov '08, in the here and now x.

thats what flouride is for... ;)

[bellini]

thats what flouride is for... ;)

if you don't brush your teeth they'll fall out? what the hell do you mean that s what fluoride is for? hello? talk to me in a language we can all understand? you trying to say something or what!!!!!:confused:

[and justice for all]

if you don't brush your teeth they'll fall out? what the hell do you mean that s what fluoride is for? hello? talk to me in a language we can all understand? you trying to say something or what!!!!!:confused:

Oh dear... :rolleyes:

[and justice for all]

Good thread turtonlea.

I'm well aware of the sinister totalitarian intent hidden within the Mental Health Act 2007. In fact I posted a thread on a very popular conspiracy forum, highlighting its worse aspects and how it threatens civil liberties, it attracted little to no interest.

Here’s an article exposing the use of the MH Act in anti-terror operations;

Revealed: Blair's secret stalker squad
dailymail.co.uk - 27 May 2007

The Government has established a shadowy new national anti-terrorist unit to protect VIPs, with the power to detain suspects indefinitely using mental health laws [...]

The revelation is set to reignite the row over the Government's use of draconian measures to deal with terror suspects amid accusations they are abusing human rights.

The Fixated Threat Assessment Centre (FTAC) was quietly set up last year [...]

The team's psychiatrists and psychologists then have the power to order treatment - including forcibly detaining suspects in secure psychiatric units.

Using these powers, the unit can legally detain people for an indefinite period without trial, criminal charges or even evidence of a crime being committed and with very limited rights of appeal.

But the new unit uses the police to identify suspects - increasing fears the line is being blurred between criminal investigation and doctors' clinical decisions. [...]

Scotland Yard, which runs the shadowy unit, refuses to discuss how many suspects have been forcibly hospitalised by the team because of "patient confidentiality".

But at least one terror suspect - allegedly linked to the 7/7 bomb plot and a suicide bombing in Israel - has already been held under the Mental Health Act [...]

Human rights activists fear the team, whose existence has never been publicised, may be being used as a way to detain suspected terrorists without having to put evidence before the courts.

It also comes amid a continuing row over proposed mental health legislation which will make it easier to 'section' someone deemed a threat to the public.

Last night human rights group Liberty said the secret unit represented a new threat to civil liberties.

Policy director Gareth Crossman said: "There is a grave danger of this being used to deal with people where there is insufficient evidence for a criminal prosecution.
This blurs the line between medical decisions and police actions. If you are going to allow doctors to take people's liberty away, they have to be independent. That credibility is undermined when the doctors are part of the same team as the police.

"This raises serious concerns. First that you have a unit that allows police investigation to lead directly to people being sectioned without any kind of criminal proceedings.
Secondly, it is being done under the umbrella of anti-terrorism at a time when the Government is looking at ways to detain terrorists without putting them on trial." [...]

Shadow Health Secretary Andrew Lansley said: "The Government is trying to bring in a wider definition of mental disorder and is resisting exclusions which ensure that people cannot be treated as mentally disordered on the grounds of their cultural, political or religious beliefs.
When you hear they are also setting up something like this police unit, it raises questions about quite what their intentions are". [...]

LINK;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-457934/Revealed-Blairs-secret-stalker-squad.html

[turtonlea]

Last year reported here on the davidicke.com was the story of government using lie detectors, here today 2nd December 2008 the Manchester Evening News report that the same system is to be used now by local government.


READ FULL STORY HERE:-

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1082939_claimants_to_face_lie_test

[tyler]

Belini is new here, right?

He'll learn.

Stick around buddy.

[dangermouse]

interesting quote on the Manchester evening news article

Before this is used on benefit claimants, surely it should be used in Parliament?

indeed ...

[bellini]

Belini is new here, right?

He'll learn.

Stick around buddy.

I may be new to this forum, but I'm well aware of whats going on like many others, what beats me is the condescending attitude of some people, who like to dampen positive, revolutionary, ideas!
Oh and by the way, buddy......I'm a woman, last time I looked!
I'll definately learn who's who on this site, thanks to you.x;)

[hitithard]

dont worry about tyler bellini,

His comment does sound very condescending.

You think bad attitude would get left to the 'real world' but unfortunately they also make it onto the forums. Even open minded ones like this one

shame

As for fluoride, its in our toothpaste...and its poisonous.. =/ have a google about and you should find lots of info

[turtonlea]

Karen Reissmann left the Tribunal today with a wide smile and a spring in her step she made no comment, those journalists present asked many questions but both sides are not allowed to talk about the case…

Manchester Tribunal Manchester: ~ at 11:55am Chairman Mr. Bridge Coles return to the court and asked both the Claimants and Respondents had they reached an agreement. Here is that:-

“Karen Reissmann was dismissed by Manchester Mental Health & Social Care NHS Trust for gross misconduct for matters unrelated to clinical practice.
The parties are satisfied that the dispute between them has been resolved and the Employment Tribunal proceedings are at an end, by agreement being reached to their mutual satisfaction.
No further comment will be made by either party in this matter.

http://www.manchesterusersnetwork.org.uk/?p=1038

[alternative_answer]

Under the freedom of information act ask this trust have they been trained by Common Purpose and if so how much money have they spent on said training. Use this website (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/?gclid=CNz9hYfXu5gCFQ0zQgodwTLibA)

[bluepuma]

i am given to understand that lie dectectors do not work very well and their easy to fool dont have any ref to that opinion please

[bluepuma]

i am given to understand that lie detectors do not work very well and are easy to fool dont have much ref on that opinion please

[economicvoicedotcom]

Not on the Jeremy Kyle show their not lol..........

[misterethoughts]

You have more information on this? It's also hard to read. ....

[turtonlea]

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[turtonlea]

Soon the UK will start to treat Criminals as suffering from a mental illness. If you know of a person presently in prison, in an English prison, he/she may be taking, medication that should only be prescribed to persons suffering a mental health illness. Like in the USA, prisons it is now being seen as a way of making money by treating those who have committed a crime as being mentally ill therefore transforming those who commit crime as being marked as mentally ill. Nothing more than capitalising upon those who are weak and often vulnerable within our society. We look up to America and we copy their bad ways without thinking of where we will end . The mentally ill will suffer at the hands of that full of greed.

[baglady2012]

Soon the UK will start to treat Criminals as suffering from a mental illness. If you know of a person presently in prison, in an English prison, he/she may be taking, medication that should only be prescribed to persons suffering a mental health illness. Like in the USA, prisons it is now being seen as a way of making money by treating those who have committed a crime as being mentally ill therefore transforming those who commit crime as being marked as mentally ill. Nothing more than capitalising upon those who are weak and often vulnerable within our society. We look up to America and we copy their bad ways without thinking of where we will end . The mentally ill will suffer at the hands of that full of greed.

The converse will soon be true too - anyone not submitting to the NWO will be classed as mentally ill and forced to take medication and/or be imprisoned. It's a win-win situation for our masters and big pharma who are obscenely rich. Psychiatry is not a science - ie it cannot replicate results in experiments - but it has been useful as a political and social-engineering tool.

The DSDM is approaching the fifth edition and is much bigger as it has widened its definitions of what constitutes insanity. Normal behaviours are increasingly being "medicalised". But paedophilia is being de-criminalised and "normalised" so go figure!!!

[1ndividua1]

The Government have been using here in Britain for the last six month lie detectors on each and every call made to Department of Works and Pensions, offices this included Job Centres as well as Social Security Claimants. So successful are the units, fitted to call operatives computers, that in the four areas that they have been trialled, that government now wants to roll it out across the country ahead of the twelve month supposed trials. The unit and software picks out fraudulent claims and in one area, within two months of its use, a quarter of a million pounds was stopped from fraudulent claims. Just how this is effecting the mentally ill, who may suffer from paranoia, those who genuinely suffer lack of confidence, or the like, has not been measured. Government as I acrulatly reported here in a previous posting, is determined it will reach its target of removing over one million people off Incapacity Benefits and those on long term sickness benefits . People are presently receiving through the post demands for them to be reassessed. After paying G.P's huge increases in their pay the GMC has advised its members not to engage with government plans advising that the plans would lead to a break down in the doctor patient relationship already damaged by existing contracts. In Secret plans revealed, here for the first time and because the British media will not publish information that is being leaked to them by fearful civil servants whose fears are that Britain is beginning to resemble Germany in the early 1930's. It is known that out of frustration the Home Office has put forward plans for what are known as "Revolving Door Patients". This refures to patients who suffer from long term drink and drug related problems or have been diagnosed with a Dual Diagnosis’ condition and who are now regularly and openly refused admission into A&E departments, leading to the Police having to be called to hospitals after drunks and drug addicted people who become violent on being refused treatment. This leads to arrests and over crowding of the prison system. Realising the immense size of this problem the Home Office instead of building more prisons, which would not solve the problems it, was decided and cross benches have been aware of Governments approval of the construction of holding centres, which began to be built around Britain. The Home Office using the Mental Health Acts will begin to forcibly detained persons who are presented as having conditions diagnosed as medically termed PD's (Personal Disorders). Parts of the Mental Heath Act allow for the detention of a person who is medically considered to be of a danger to their selves or others . The new holding centres purposely designed securely to hold a patient for periods that allow for the rehabilitation of a patient. Between one and up to five years, has been considered by most experts to be a period that allows the brain to rehabilitate and stop the panging of an addiction. The Mental Health Act is the most powerful detention order HM government can supervise. This was recently spoke about in Stephen Fry's program about bi-polar disorder in which Doctor Liz Miller explained how she was sectioned under the Act it's power can order that a patient forcibly be injected with any drug that a Doctor may wish to administer to the patient, despite the patient and his families objections. This is the most evil of all practices when considering recent event in the USA where it has been shown that the use of anti-psychotic drugs of which a drug called ZYPREXA known as Olanzapine and worth 5'8 Billion (June, 2007)to its makers Ely-Lilly is just one of them used. In a class legal action, brought against Ely Lilly. Eight thousand people who's body organs namely the pancreas where damaged to the point of making them diabetic (See here how the company is still trying to ban website from displaying information which a judge ruled on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olanzapine) or to develop one of man's most painful conditions that of Chronic Pancreatitis. The company agreed to pay out in an out of court settlement. (Please do your own research because it is important that you understand that even after this our government still allows the use of this drug to be prescribed) Medical staff who work in Mental Health are presently to vote for an indefinite strike action, should on November 1st 2007 their colleague and an extremely brave nurse be sacked for openly criticising new plans being implemented by the former CEO of Ramptom Hospital, and who recently took up the position of CEO of Manchester Mental Health Trust. Sheila Foley is sitting as judge and jury in the disciplinary hearing of CPN (Community Psychiatric Nurse) Karen Reissmann, who after twenty-five years working in the NHS offered her professional opinion of the new plans. Karen who is a UNISON member studied along with her colleges the plans. Immediately labelling them to be unprofessional and ultimately to be unworkable. Sheila Foley was brought in, pacifically to be used to assist in carrying out government’s policy. On the very morning that Karen Reissmann was given promotion in her job she was later that day suspended from it. Nursing Staff at Manchester gave their support but were tipped off that the policy behind the reason for which Karen was speaking out against was coming from very powerful men and that it would be wiser to let Karen do the talking. As soon as Karen was explaining to a journalist why she had been suspended she was ordered that she was not to speak to anyone concerning her suspension. News was out and the Bedlam that is now happening in Manchester is just the beginning of what started in the so-called Nazi Germany. Before the Germans started on the Jews they had been carrying out solving the problems of "Personal Disorders" with the full agreement of the German Folk; they told them the problem and then told them solution. In Manchester, the Nursing Staff have held strikes. The nurses offered to cover the wards at North Manchester Mental Hospital. NHS nurses do that even when they go on strike. Sheila Foley acting some say off her own back order the Buses and those patients who could not go home, were injected ordered on to the waiting Private buses and transported out to private holding centres in Darlington and Bury Lancs. On arrival at the Bury centre the patients were woke from their drowsy drugged induced sleep, strip search and placed behind walls that ensure that no child will ever be allowed to kiss their mother or father’s lips. For the patient’s safety and to ensure that no drugs or alcohols may be passed over. A problem that cannot be controlled in the NHS they cannot get nurses or staff to do that work. However, in the holding centres things are controlled by uniformed private security personnel; The Labour Party under Mr Blair and Mr Brown received one million pounds from the owner of the Priory Centre Group. They made him a Lord. When you have seen too much and when you know too much and after being in a war zone and your mind can take no more the British Armed Services place you in the private care of these private organisations. Given enough neuroleptic drugs, you stop thinking about your environment. However, if your body is wounded then you go in to the NHS because Mr Brown sold all the British Armies Hospitals. Remember at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, how could any one forget number 33? The government are fully aware of how intelligent the people with Bi Polar are after all they know of all the master minds who suffered from the condition some say when they go high its like they become super charged. Churchill called it the black dog when he went low. Prof Basanti Puri has proven that by taking fish oil capsules that contains 90% EPA that clears the channels in the brain. He knows this because he is an expert in MRI scanning and he has seen that the brains of those patients who take this oil display changes within their brain and the depressive side, the black dog, disappears. He wrote a book on all this and thousands of patients take the oils. The Prof will tell you that he has had over three threats upon his life by the drug companies. He told the government and the civil servants informed the press. for information see the only two companys that will supply the oil at 90% EPA no DHA www.vegepa.co.uk (http://www.vegepa.co.uk)and www.mind1st.co.uk (http://www.mind1st.co.uk)The British Government are aware of the NHS Prof. B. Puri he works at the Hammersmith Hospital in London.

Benefits savings to fund therapy explosion

26.10.07

An army of 3,600 people are to be trained in cognitive behavioural therapy in order to deliver the treatment to almost a million people suffering from depression and anxiety over the next four years. Announcing the move, health secretary Alan Johnson claimed that the £170 million cost would be paid for out of savings that will result from 25,000 fewer people with mental health conditions claiming benefits
Cognitive behavioural therapy usually involves a course of 6-12 meetings with a trained therapist. The treatment deals with solving current problems rather than trying to discover the past causes of current feelings or behaviour. According to NICE it is as effective, but no more effective, than drug treatments for conditions such as depression and anxiety.
Many claimants will welcome the possibility of receiving such treatment, which is currently often unavailable from GPs surgeries or subject to a waiting list of 18 months or more.
However, there is concern that CBT may become a one size fits all remedy offered to anyone reporting a mental health condition. Not everyone with depression or anxiety will benefit from this type of quick-fix therapy. Even those who do may find that their symptoms return after a short time if the underlying causes have not been addressed.*
There are also concerns about the level of training and experience that the new wave of therapists will have and at the role that unqualified private sector Pathways to Work personal advisers may have in referring claimants for therapy.
© 2007 Steve Donnison

* This was my experience. Conversely, I have found seemingly permanent results to some of my problems with the equally quick EMDR therapy, and have been impressed by the results I have seen in others who have undergone Emotional Freedom Technique sessions. I think that there may be error in putting all the hopes on just one therapy which although it undoubtedly does have results, they are often short-lived.
I also have concerns about the competence of the practitioners, who will often have had little experience if they are to be freshly trained. I fear that the rapid introduction of the programme may result in a similar situation to the original Learn Direct Scheme, where the training offered was often on paper only and never materialised, or it was of poor quality and in the hands of those who jumped on the delivery bandwagon in order to claim the cash, but were not actually up to the task, and the claimant never got the training they had enrolled for.
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[dan duchaine]

Im a pretty good reader and found the op very difficult to read. If you want people to read it i suggest you add paragraphs and spacing.

[phemohilia]

Yeah, I have to agree. Just lookin at that shit gave me a headache.

[strawberries]

Psychiatrists are useless and dangerous!

[baglady2012]

My mothers life has been ruined through her GP prescribing her a sleeping tablet, zopiclone, for 14 years. When I returned to the UK and found her demonstrating all the symptoms of Alzheimers and when her GP also prescribed the same thing for me - I was having temporary trouble sleeping - I found out for myself what this drug was capable of. I had taken just half one dose and the following morning I was in tears and feeling like suicide. Obviously I threw the rest away.

I did some research on the net and saw that a Swedish research team had found that this drug should never be given to the elderly and certainly for not more than 2 weeks. I wrote to my GP about it, they stopped prescribing Zopiclone to my mum and they took me off their list because of "conflict of interest". I think they may have been concerned that I would sue their a*ses.

My mum is now on anti-psychotics, Zyprexa I believe, to counter-act the effects of 14 years on Zopiclone. That's how good GPs are and my psychopathic daughter is a qualified doctor too. They're in it for power and money.

I go to doctors as a last resort, they are good for repairing broken arms and legs (heroic medicine) but they suck at everything else.