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alleendewaarheid
26-10-2007, 11:12 AM
Based on results of congressional vote on "thought crime bill" you can see most of the congress are traitors with the exception of 6 people (including Ron Paul). 22 people didn't vote could be considered neutral.:eek:

Here is the vote on H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (Vote On Passage) - only 6 congressmen voted against including Ron Paul:
Totals & Party Breakdown
Total Democrat Republican
Ayes: 404 (94%)
219 185
Nays: 6 (1%)
3 3
No Vote:22 (5%)
10 12
Required: 2/3 of 410 votes (274)
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Alabama
Aye AL-1 Bonner, Jo [R]
Aye AL-2 Everett, Terry [R]
Aye AL-3 Rogers, Michael [R]
Aye AL-4 Aderholt, Robert [R]
Aye AL-5 Cramer, Robert [D]
Aye AL-6 Bachus, Spencer [R]
Aye AL-7 Davis, Artur [D]
Alaska
Aye AK-0 Young, Donald [R]
Arizona
Aye AZ-1 Renzi, Rick [R]
Aye AZ-2 Franks, Trent [R]
Aye AZ-3 Shadegg, John [R]
Aye AZ-4 Pastor, Edward [D]
Aye AZ-5 Mitchell, Harry [D]
Nay AZ-6 Flake, Jeff [R]
Aye AZ-7 Grijalva, Raul [D]
Aye AZ-8 Giffords, Gabrielle [D]
Arkansas
Aye AR-1 Berry, Robert [D]
Aye AR-2 Snyder, Victor [D]
Aye AR-3 Boozman, John [R]
Aye AR-4 Ross, Mike [D]
California
Aye CA-1 Thompson, C. [D]
Aye CA-2 Herger, Walter [R]
Aye CA-3 Lungren, Daniel [R]
Aye CA-4 Doolittle, John [R]
Aye CA-5 Matsui, Doris [D]
No Vote CA-6 Woolsey, Lynn [D]
Aye CA-7 Miller, George [D]
Aye CA-9 Lee, Barbara [D]
Aye CA-10 Tauscher, Ellen [D]
Aye CA-11 McNerney, Jerry [D]
Aye CA-12 Lantos, Tom [D]
Aye CA-13 Stark, Fortney [D]
Aye CA-14 Eshoo, Anna [D]
Aye CA-15 Honda, Michael [D]
Aye CA-16 Lofgren, Zoe [D]
Aye CA-17 Farr, Sam [D]
Aye CA-18 Cardoza, Dennis [D]
Aye CA-19 Radanovich, George [R]
Aye CA-20 Costa, Jim [D]
Aye CA-21 Nunes, Devin [R]
Aye CA-22 McCarthy, Kevin [R]
Aye CA-23 Capps, Lois [D]
Aye CA-24 Gallegly, Elton [R]
No Vote CA-25 McKeon, Howard [R]
Aye CA-26 Dreier, David [R]
No Vote CA-27 Sherman, Brad [D]
Aye CA-28 Berman, Howard [D]
Aye CA-29 Schiff, Adam [D]
Aye CA-30 Waxman, Henry [D]
Aye CA-31 Becerra, Xavier [D]
Aye CA-32 Solis, Hilda [D]
Aye CA-33 Watson, Diane [D]
Aye CA-34 Roybal-Allard, Lucille [D]
Aye CA-35 Waters, Maxine [D]
Aye CA-36 Harman, Jane [D]
Aye CA-37 Richardson, Laura [D]
Aye CA-38 Napolitano, Grace [D]
Aye CA-39 Sanchez, Linda [D]
Aye CA-40 Royce, Edward [R]
Aye CA-41 Lewis, Jerry [R]
Aye CA-42 Miller, Gary [R]
Aye CA-43 Baca, Joe [D]
Aye CA-44 Calvert, Ken [R]
Aye CA-45 Bono, Mary [R]
Nay CA-46 Rohrabacher, Dana [R]
Aye CA-47 Sanchez, Loretta [D]
Aye CA-48 Campbell, John [R]
No Vote CA-49 Issa, Darrell [R]
No Vote CA-50 Bilbray, Brian [R]
Aye CA-51 Filner, Bob [D]
No Vote CA-52 Hunter, Duncan [R]
Aye CA-53 Davis, Susan [D]
Colorado
Aye CO-1 DeGette, Diana [D]
Aye CO-2 Udall, Mark [D]
Aye CO-3 Salazar, John [D]
Aye CO-4 Musgrave, Marilyn [R]
Aye CO-5 Lamborn, Doug [R]
Aye CO-6 Tancredo, Thomas [R]
Aye CO-7 Perlmutter, Ed [D]
Connecticut
Aye CT-1 Larson, John [D]
Aye CT-2 Courtney, Joe [D]
Aye CT-3 DeLauro, Rosa [D]
Aye CT-4 Shays, Christopher [R]
Aye CT-5 Murphy, Christopher [D]
Delaware
Aye DE-0 Castle, Michael [R]
Florida
Aye FL-1 Miller, Jeff [R]
Aye FL-2 Boyd, F. [D]
Aye FL-3 Brown, Corrine [D]
Aye FL-4 Crenshaw, Ander [R]
Aye FL-5 Brown-Waite, Virginia [R]
Aye FL-6 Stearns, Clifford [R]
Aye FL-7 Mica, John [R]
Aye FL-8 Keller, Ric [R]
Aye FL-9 Bilirakis, Gus [R]
Aye FL-10 Young, C. W. [R]
Aye FL-11 Castor, Kathy [D]
Aye FL-12 Putnam, Adam [R]
Aye FL-13 Buchanan, Vern [R]
Aye FL-14 Mack, Connie [R]
Aye FL-15 Weldon, David [R]
Aye FL-16 Mahoney, Tim [D]
Aye FL-17 Meek, Kendrick [D]
Aye FL-18 Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana [R]
Aye FL-19 Wexler, Robert [D]
Aye FL-20 Wasserman Schultz, Debbie [D]
Aye FL-21 Diaz-Balart, Lincoln [R]
Aye FL-22 Klein, Ron [D]
Aye FL-23 Hastings, Alcee [D]
No Vote FL-24 Feeney, Tom [R]
Aye FL-25 Diaz-Balart, Mario [R]
Georgia
Aye GA-1 Kingston, Jack [R]
Aye GA-2 Bishop, Sanford [D]
Aye GA-3 Westmoreland, Lynn [R]
Aye GA-4 Johnson, Henry [D]
Aye GA-5 Lewis, John [D]
Aye GA-6 Price, Tom [R]
Aye GA-7 Linder, John [R]
Aye GA-8 Marshall, James [D]
Aye GA-9 Deal, Nathan [R]
Aye GA-10 Broun, Paul [R]
Aye GA-11 Gingrey, John [R]
Aye GA-12 Barrow, John [D]
Aye GA-13 Scott, David [D]
Hawaii
Nay HI-1 Abercrombie, Neil [D]
Aye HI-2 Hirono, Mazie [D]
Idaho
Aye ID-1 Sali, Bill [R]
Aye ID-2 Simpson, Michael [R]
Illinois
Aye IL-1 Rush, Bobby [D]
Aye IL-2 Jackson, Jesse [D]
Aye IL-3 Lipinski, Daniel [D]
Aye IL-4 Gutierrez, Luis [D]
Aye IL-5 Emanuel, Rahm [D]
Aye IL-6 Roskam, Peter [R]
No Vote IL-7 Davis, Danny [D]
Aye IL-8 Bean, Melissa [D]
Aye IL-9 Schakowsky, Janice [D]
Aye IL-10 Kirk, Mark [R]
Aye IL-11 Weller, Gerald [R]
Nay IL-12 Costello, Jerry [D]
Aye IL-13 Biggert, Judy [R]
Aye IL-14 Hastert, J. [R]
Aye IL-15 Johnson, Timothy [R]
Aye IL-16 Manzullo, Donald [R]
Aye IL-17 Hare, Phil [D]
Aye IL-18 LaHood, Ray [R]
Aye IL-19 Shimkus, John [R]
Indiana
Aye IN-1 Visclosky, Peter [D]
Aye IN-2 Donnelly, Joe [D]
Aye IN-3 Souder, Mark [R]
Aye IN-4 Buyer, Stephen [R]
Aye IN-5 Burton, Dan [R]
Aye IN-6 Pence, Mike [R]
No Vote IN-7 Carson, Julia [D]
Aye IN-8 Ellsworth, Brad [D]
Aye IN-9 Hill, Baron [D]
Iowa
Aye IA-1 Braley, Bruce [D]
Aye IA-2 Loebsack, David [D]
Aye IA-3 Boswell, Leonard [D]
Aye IA-4 Latham, Thomas [R]
Aye IA-5 King, Steve [R]
Kansas
Aye KS-1 Moran, Jerry [R]
Aye KS-2 Boyda, Nancy [D]
No Vote KS-3 Moore, Dennis [D]
Aye KS-4 Tiahrt, Todd [R]
Kentucky
Aye KY-1 Whitfield, Edward [R]
Aye KY-2 Lewis, Ron [R]
Aye KY-3 Yarmuth, John [D]
Aye KY-4 Davis, Geoff [R]
Aye KY-5 Rogers, Harold [R]
Aye KY-6 Chandler, Ben [D]
Louisiana
No Vote LA-1 Jindal, Bobby [R]
Aye LA-2 Jefferson, William [D]
Aye LA-3 Melancon, Charles [D]
Aye LA-4 McCrery, James [R]
Aye LA-5 Alexander, Rodney [R]
Aye LA-6 Baker, Richard [R]
Aye LA-7 Boustany, Charles [R]
Maine
Aye ME-1 Allen, Thomas [D]
Aye ME-2 Michaud, Michael [D]
Maryland
Aye MD-1 Gilchrest, Wayne [R]
Aye MD-2 Ruppersberger, C.A. [D]
Aye MD-3 Sarbanes, John [D]
Aye MD-4 Wynn, Albert [D]
Aye MD-5 Hoyer, Steny [D]
Aye MD-6 Bartlett, Roscoe [R]
Aye MD-7 Cummings, Elijah [D]
Aye MD-8 Van Hollen, Christopher [D]
Massachusetts
Aye MA-1 Olver, John [D]
Aye MA-2 Neal, Richard [D]
Aye MA-3 McGovern, James [D]
Aye MA-4 Frank, Barney [D]
Aye MA-5 Tsongas, Niki [D]
Aye MA-6 Tierney, John [D]
Aye MA-7 Markey, Edward [D]
Aye MA-8 Capuano, Michael [D]
Aye MA-9 Lynch, Stephen [D]
Aye MA-10 Delahunt, William [D]
Michigan
Aye MI-1 Stupak, Bart [D]
Aye MI-2 Hoekstra, Peter [R]
Aye MI-3 Ehlers, Vernon [R]
Aye MI-4 Camp, David [R]
Aye MI-5 Kildee, Dale [D]
Aye MI-6 Upton, Frederick [R]
Aye MI-7 Walberg, Timothy [R]
Aye MI-8 Rogers, Michael [R]
Aye MI-9 Knollenberg, Joseph [R]
Aye MI-10 Miller, Candice [R]
Aye MI-11 McCotter, Thaddeus [R]
Aye MI-12 Levin, Sander [D]
Aye MI-13 Kilpatrick, Carolyn [D]
No Vote MI-14 Conyers, John [D]
Aye MI-15 Dingell, John [D]
Minnesota
Aye MN-1 Walz, Timothy [D]
Aye MN-2 Kline, John [R]
Aye MN-3 Ramstad, James [R]
Aye MN-4 McCollum, Betty [D]
Aye MN-5 Ellison, Keith [D]
Aye MN-6 Bachmann, Michele [R]
Aye MN-7 Peterson, Collin [D]
Aye MN-8 Oberstar, James [D]
Mississippi
Aye MS-1 Wicker, Roger [R]
Aye MS-2 Thompson, Bennie [D]
Aye MS-3 Pickering, Charles [R]
Aye MS-4 Taylor, Gene [D]
Missouri
Aye MO-1 Clay, William [D]
Aye MO-2 Akin, W. [R]
Aye MO-3 Carnahan, Russ [D]
Aye MO-4 Skelton, Ike [D]
Aye MO-5 Cleaver, Emanuel [D]
Aye MO-6 Graves, Samuel [R]
Aye MO-7 Blunt, Roy [R]
Aye MO-8 Emerson, Jo Ann [R]
Aye MO-9 Hulshof, Kenny [R]
Montana
Aye MT-0 Rehberg, Dennis [R]
Nebraska
Aye NE-1 Fortenberry, Jeffrey [R]
Aye NE-2 Terry, Lee [R]
Aye NE-3 Smith, Adrian [R]
Nevada
Aye NV-1 Berkley, Shelley [D]
Aye NV-2 Heller, Dean [R]
Aye NV-3 Porter, Jon [R]
New Hampshire
Aye NH-1 Shea-Porter, Carol [D]
Aye NH-2 Hodes, Paul [D]
New Jersey
Aye NJ-1 Andrews, Robert [D]
Aye NJ-2 LoBiondo, Frank [R]
Aye NJ-3 Saxton, H. [R]
Aye NJ-4 Smith, Christopher [R]
Aye NJ-5 Garrett, E. [R]
Aye NJ-6 Pallone, Frank [D]
Aye NJ-7 Ferguson, Michael [R]
Aye NJ-8 Pascrell, William [D]
Aye NJ-9 Rothman, Steven [D]
Aye NJ-10 Payne, Donald [D]
Aye NJ-11 Frelinghuysen, Rodney [R]
Aye NJ-12 Holt, Rush [D]
Aye NJ-13 Sires, Albio [D]
New Mexico
Aye NM-1 Wilson, Heather [R]
Aye NM-2 Pearce, Steven [R]
Aye NM-3 Udall, Tom [D]
New York
Aye NY-1 Bishop, Timothy [D]
Aye NY-2 Israel, Steve [D]
Aye NY-3 King, Peter [R]
Aye NY-4 McCarthy, Carolyn [D]
Aye NY-5 Ackerman, Gary [D]
Aye NY-6 Meeks, Gregory [D]
Aye NY-7 Crowley, Joseph [D]
Aye NY-8 Nadler, Jerrold [D]
Aye NY-9 Weiner, Anthony [D]
Aye NY-10 Towns, Edolphus [D]
Aye NY-11 Clarke, Yvette [D]
Aye NY-12 Velazquez, Nydia [D]
Aye NY-13 Fossella, Vito [R]
Aye NY-14 Maloney, Carolyn [D]
Aye NY-15 Rangel, Charles [D]
Aye NY-16 Serrano, José [D]
Aye NY-17 Engel, Eliot [D]
Aye NY-18 Lowey, Nita [D]
Aye NY-19 Hall, John [D]
Aye NY-20 Gillibrand, Kirsten [D]
Aye NY-21 McNulty, Michael [D]
Aye NY-22 Hinchey, Maurice [D]
Aye NY-23 McHugh, John [R]
Aye NY-24 Arcuri, Michael [D]
Aye NY-25 Walsh, James [R]
Aye NY-26 Reynolds, Thomas [R]
Aye NY-27 Higgins, Brian [D]
Aye NY-28 Slaughter, Louise [D]
Aye NY-29 Kuhl, John [R]
North Carolina
Aye NC-1 Butterfield, George [D]
Aye NC-2 Etheridge, Bob [D]
Aye NC-3 Jones, Walter [R]
Aye NC-4 Price, David [D]
Aye NC-5 Foxx, Virginia [R]
Aye NC-6 Coble, Howard [R]
Aye NC-7 McIntyre, Mike [D]
Aye NC-8 Hayes, Robin [R]
Aye NC-9 Myrick, Sue [R]
Aye NC-10 Mchenry, Patrick [R]
Aye NC-11 Shuler, Heath [D]
Aye NC-12 Watt, Melvin [D]
Aye NC-13 Miller, R. [D]
North Dakota
Aye ND-0 Pomeroy, Earl [D]
Ohio
Aye OH-1 Chabot, Steven [R]
Aye OH-2 Schmidt, Jean [R]
Aye OH-3 Turner, Michael [R]
Aye OH-4 Jordan, Jim [R]
No Vote OH-6 Wilson, Charles [D]
Aye OH-7 Hobson, David [R]
Aye OH-8 Boehner, John [R]
Aye OH-9 Kaptur, Marcy [D]
Nay OH-10 Kucinich, Dennis [D]
Aye OH-11 Jones, Stephanie [D]
Aye OH-12 Tiberi, Patrick [R]
Aye OH-13 Sutton, Betty [D]
Aye OH-14 LaTourette, Steven [R]
Aye OH-15 Pryce, Deborah [R]
Aye OH-16 Regula, Ralph [R]
Aye OH-17 Ryan, Timothy [D]
Aye OH-18 Space, Zackary [D]
Oklahoma
Aye OK-1 Sullivan, John [R]
Aye OK-2 Boren, Dan [D]
Aye OK-3 Lucas, Frank [R]
Aye OK-4 Cole, Tom [R]
Aye OK-5 Fallin, Mary [R]
Oregon
Aye OR-1 Wu, David [D]
Aye OR-2 Walden, Greg [R]
Aye OR-3 Blumenauer, Earl [D]
Aye OR-4 DeFazio, Peter [D]
Aye OR-5 Hooley, Darlene [D]
Pennsylvania
Aye PA-1 Brady, Robert [D]
Aye PA-2 Fattah, Chaka [D]
Aye PA-3 English, Philip [R]
Aye PA-4 Altmire, Jason [D]
No Vote PA-5 Peterson, John [R]
Aye PA-6 Gerlach, Jim [R]
Aye PA-7 Sestak, Joe [D]
Aye PA-8 Murphy, Patrick [D]
Aye PA-9 Shuster, William [R]
Aye PA-10 Carney, Christopher [D]
Aye PA-11 Kanjorski, Paul [D]
Aye PA-12 Murtha, John [D]
Aye PA-13 Schwartz, Allyson [D]
Aye PA-14 Doyle, Michael [D]
Aye PA-15 Dent, Charles [R]
Aye PA-16 Pitts, Joseph [R]
Aye PA-17 Holden, Tim [D]
Aye PA-18 Murphy, Tim [R]
Aye PA-19 Platts, Todd [R]
Rhode Island
Aye RI-1 Kennedy, Patrick [D]
Aye RI-2 Langevin, James [D]
South Carolina
Aye SC-1 Brown, Henry [R]
Aye SC-2 Wilson, Addison [R]
No Vote SC-3 Barrett, James [R]
Aye SC-4 Inglis, Bob [R]
Aye SC-5 Spratt, John [D]
Aye SC-6 Clyburn, James [D]
South Dakota
Aye SD-0 Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie [D]
Tennessee
Aye TN-1 Davis, David [R]
Nay TN-2 Duncan, John [R]
Aye TN-3 Wamp, Zach [R]
Aye TN-4 Davis, Lincoln [D]
No Vote TN-5 Cooper, Jim [D]
Aye TN-6 Gordon, Barton [D]
Aye TN-7 Blackburn, Marsha [R]
Aye TN-8 Tanner, John [D]
Aye TN-9 Cohen, Steve [D]
Texas
Aye TX-1 Gohmert, Louis [R]
Aye TX-2 Poe, Ted [R]
Aye TX-3 Johnson, Samuel [R]
Aye TX-4 Hall, Ralph [R]
Aye TX-5 Hensarling, Jeb [R]
Aye TX-6 Barton, Joe [R]
Aye TX-7 Culberson, John [R]
Aye TX-8 Brady, Kevin [R]
Aye TX-9 Green, Al [D]
Aye TX-10 McCaul, Michael [R]
Aye TX-11 Conaway, K. [R]
Aye TX-12 Granger, Kay [R]
Aye TX-13 Thornberry, William [R]
No Vote TX-14 Paul, Ronald [R]
Aye TX-15 Hinojosa, Rubén [D]
No Vote TX-16 Reyes, Silvestre [D]
Aye TX-17 Edwards, Thomas [D]
Aye TX-18 Jackson-Lee, Sheila [D]
Aye TX-19 Neugebauer, Randy [R]
Aye TX-20 Gonzalez, Charles [D]
Aye TX-21 Smith, Lamar [R]
Aye TX-22 Lampson, Nicholas [D]
Aye TX-23 Rodriguez, Ciro [D]
Aye TX-24 Marchant, Kenny [R]
Aye TX-25 Doggett, Lloyd [D]
Aye TX-26 Burgess, Michael [R]
Aye TX-27 Ortiz, Solomon [D]
Aye TX-28 Cuellar, Henry [D]
Aye TX-29 Green, Raymond [D]
No Vote TX-30 Johnson, Eddie [D]
Aye TX-31 Carter, John [R]
Aye TX-32 Sessions, Peter [R]
Utah
No Vote UT-1 Bishop, Rob [R]
Aye UT-2 Matheson, Jim [D]
Aye UT-3 Cannon, Christopher [R]
Vermont
Aye VT-0 Welch, Peter [D]
Virginia
Aye VA-2 Drake, Thelma [R]
Aye VA-3 Scott, Robert [D]
Aye VA-4 Forbes, James [R]
Aye VA-5 Goode, Virgil [R]
Aye VA-6 Goodlatte, Robert [R]
Aye VA-7 Cantor, Eric [R]
Aye VA-8 Moran, James [D]
Aye VA-9 Boucher, Frederick [D]
Aye VA-10 Wolf, Frank [R]
No Vote VA-11 Davis, Thomas [R]
Washington
Aye WA-1 Inslee, Jay [D]
Aye WA-2 Larsen, Rick [D]
Aye WA-3 Baird, Brian [D]
Aye WA-4 Hastings, Doc [R]
Aye WA-5 McMorris Rodgers, Cathy [R]
Aye WA-6 Dicks, Norman [D]
Aye WA-7 McDermott, James [D]
Aye WA-8 Reichert, Dave [R]
Aye WA-9 Smith, Adam [D]
West Virginia
Aye WV-1 Mollohan, Alan [D]
Aye WV-2 Capito, Shelley [R]
Aye WV-3 Rahall, Nick [D]
Wisconsin
Aye WI-1 Ryan, Paul [R]
Aye WI-2 Baldwin, Tammy [D]
Aye WI-3 Kind, Ronald [D]
Aye WI-4 Moore, Gwen [D]
Aye WI-5 Sensenbrenner, F. [R]
Aye WI-6 Petri, Thomas [R]
Aye WI-7 Obey, David [D]
Aye WI-8 Kagen, Steve [D]
Wyoming
No Vote WY-0 Cubin, Barbara [R]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2007-993

freespark
26-10-2007, 11:22 AM
I wonder how many of them have been videotaped fiddling kiddies at the orgy parties. This is how it works. This is why they will carry on following the NWO Agenda. They are scared shitless to be exposed and thus shall do whatever they are asked. :(

h1s_l0rdsh1p
26-10-2007, 11:52 AM
I just got back form the smoking room at my job, after I had found and printed the entire bill.

I cryed.


There is need for revolution.
The silent revolution.

Mass numbers of people need to go lie down in busy street areas, infront of corporate, and government buildings, and say nothing. Lay there, and have one person speaking as to why they are doing it.

Because we will not be the cattle they are aiming for us to be.

h1s_l0rdsh1p
26-10-2007, 12:05 PM
BTW,
Here's a link to the entire bill.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1955

:(

freespark
26-10-2007, 12:11 PM
I just got back form the smoking room at my job, after I had found and printed the entire bill.

I cryed.


There is need for revolution.
The silent revolution.

Mass numbers of people need to go lie down in busy street areas, infront of corporate, and government buildings, and say nothing. Lay there, and have one person speaking as to why they are doing it.

Because we will not be the cattle they are aiming for us to be.

I actually had an idea to dress up like Jesus and make a huge cross to put on my back. You wear a long shawl of some sort with HUMANITY written on the back...then on the cross you put Taxes/War/Debt/Slavery/Serfdom/the banking system/Govenment etc.

I had this thought of walking like this as if you are weighed down by this huge cross...you look like death as if you been walking like this for years with this cross on your back...you walk like this in the middle of London...down the side of the road so you don't get into trouble for obstructing traffic etc...you walk like this for as long as it takes.

Now that will get attention because it is an iconic (well not iconic but you know what i mean) image of HUMANITY under the weight of this cross...just like 'jesus'. I think people will get it. Imagine the fuss it would cause.

knightofthegrail
26-10-2007, 12:22 PM
I wonder if they will back-date it to include the revolution that formed America....:rolleyes: affectively declaring their own existance illegal.....

alleendewaarheid
26-10-2007, 01:53 PM
you know i wanted to add something.

in a way these bills are meaningless..why?

because even before these bills including the patriot act and others i'm sure they were already unjustly imprisoning americans anyways.

think about it..what's the bill change?

they've been violating the constitution for decades already and at least over 100 years so what does this bill change?

do you really believe that let's say 50 years ago things were any different..nope..they just did it in secret.

h1s_l0rdsh1p
26-10-2007, 02:03 PM
Yes, They Have Been For Years, And Now It's Time For A Change!

We The People Of This World Must No Longer Sit Back And Watch Business, Corporation, Money And The Egos Of A Few Rich Men Become More Important Than The Well Being Of Human Beings All Around The World!

alleendewaarheid
26-10-2007, 02:25 PM
h1s_l0rdsh1p,

i understand your enthusiasm but everyone in here is at different stages as far as illuminati knowledge...

some have known for a long time and went thru an activism stage.some are new to it and angry and passionate about it..

for myself i'm a "been there done that" person.

i still educate people but i'm not so enthusiastic as you are about change..

understand me?

i've met americans the 11 years i was in amsterdam..they all were at different stages of evolution as far as holland was concerned...the ones that initially come to holland are super-enthusiastic and saying how horrible the USA is and how much they love holland...5 years pass for them and they're jaded and bitching and wanting to leave..

the same applies with the icke material..no offense to you but many of the people on here "have been around the block many times" and aren't so enthusiastic as you are..

having said that i wish you all the best in "doing something"..i personally have done enough...i still educate at parties and such and i'll vote for ron paul but that's about it for me..

h1s_l0rdsh1p
26-10-2007, 02:36 PM
I understand what you are saying, and although I don't agree, I can emphasize with what you are saying.

But the fact is, is that it's becoming more and more dangerous to mention change now, let alone have a protest for it.

I may be young, but I'm someone who looks at history and knows that things should not be done in certain ways.
I'm not calling for violent revolution, I'm saying that we need to look the powers that be, in the eyes with a determened look at tell them:
NO!

Not move, not be pushed over, or perswayed. Just NO.

We will not take this anymore.
It's bad enough for young kids to look at their parents and see how depressed and gone they really are. Only to go into the world and be told to submit, you rot. It's wrong. I'm sorry but it's just plain WRONG. And it needs to stop.