for all the bs artist

[kbeet]

here is your photos of planes hiting the wtc.. be sure you look at all of them or you will miss the suprise.. oh i got more. how does one of the planes sticking out of the building after it hit sound to you.. you want to make a liar out of me with this one.. dont mess with me the next one WILL shut your mouths im saving it for you

http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit_photos.html

[apollo_gnomon]

Nice link, Kerry, thanks. 28 different angles.

bryan wants us to believe that zero people out of 100,000 within telephoto range had cameras pointed at the most significant event in the century, and every single one of them happened to look away during the entire sequence of the second plane flying into the manhattan area and impacting the tower.

[dontbeafraid]

The underbody of fl175 looks like a modified military 767. Modified for low level high speed flight. It does not have that round tubelike body a civilian 767 has. They have to structually add parts, like a long pod, to the underbody so it can handle the sea level atmosphere at high speed so it wont shake the plane apart.
I used to have a link that shows the military modified version of the 767 for high speed sea level flight. Maybe someone can find it online.

[stannrodd]

Nice link, Kerry, thanks. 28 different angles.

bryan wants us to believe that zero people out of 100,000 within telephoto range had cameras pointed at the most significant event in the century, and every single one of them happened to look away during the entire sequence of the second plane flying into the manhattan area and impacting the tower.

Bryan is nuts .. thanks Kerry for posting the link.

Stann

[dave52]

how does one of the planes sticking out of the building after it hit sound to you..

Which picture shows that...?

[policestate]

here's a good picture from that site ;)

http://www.911conspiracy.tv

http://a.imageshack.us/img256/1721/bomitb.jpg

[bryan]

bryan wants us to believe that zero people out of 100,000 within telephoto range had cameras pointed at the most significant event in the century, and every single one of them happened to look away during the entire sequence of the second plane flying into the manhattan area and impacting the tower.

How many of those 100,000 had their telephotos pointed at the plane-shaped holes, which were there for almost an hour in one case and 90 minutes in the other? Shouldn't we have some fantastic collections of sharp, hi-res, zoomed-in photos of the holes? Where are they? Try searching on google images. The same handful of grainy images are duplicated all over the internet.

[policestate]

Oh dear. looks like the naughty naughty men have got to this one.

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[ellis_deatrip]

How many of those 100,000 had their telephotos pointed at the plane-shaped holes, which were there for almost an hour in one case and 90 minutes in the other? Shouldn't we have some fantastic collections of sharp, hi-res, zoomed-in photos of the holes? Where are they? Try searching on google images. The same handful of grainy images are duplicated all over the internet.
"One is all you need"?...:confused:
Tenacious D - Cock Pushups - YouTube:D

[ultima1]

how does one of the planes sticking out of the building after it hit sound to you..

Sorry but it cannot be the plane sticking out of the building, as stated and proven several times the plane thin aluminum airframe was shredded as it entered the building.

The nose of an airliner is made of composite material and would have been destroyed on impact.

[kbeet]

Sorry but it cannot be the plane sticking out of the building, as stated and proven several times the plane thin aluminum airframe was shredded as it entered the building.

The nose of an airliner is made of composite material and would have been destroyed on impact.

as you sead befor is that what you sead. when i told you a while back i saw a plane sticking out of the building you say that there wasent no plane.. now you say it was a plane and it wouldent stick out because it would be shreded

[apollo_gnomon]

Actually, bryan said it was no plane, utilikilt1 believes there were planes.

Not that I'm defending uti1am, just trying to keep things clear.

[dave52]

Damn it Kbeet - where is the picture with the plane sticking out of the hole...?!?!?!

[bryan]

"One is all you need" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxJoPJFxOg)?...:confused:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxJoPJFxOg:D

Sorry, I can't give you any advice on penis enlargement, except to say, make sure you eat all your vegetables when your mum tells you.

[bryan]

Just to clear up any misunderstanding, kbeet thinks the image below shows a plane stuck in the side of the building.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/reynolds/docs/WTC1_hole.jpg

[kbeet]

"One is all you need" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxJoPJFxOg)?...:confused:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxJoPJFxOg:D

quite a few after the first plane hit. they were ready for the other plane. then theres half a million eye witnesses that saw the plane. including me.
these no planes conspiracy hold no water.

[kbeet]

Just to clear up any misunderstanding, kbeet thinks the image below shows a plane stuck in the side of the building.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/reynolds/docs/WTC1_hole.jpg

want me to show what else i got. it would realy make a fool of you. keep talking im waiting for the right time

[ellis_deatrip]

Just to clear up any misunderstanding, kbeet thinks the image below shows a plane stuck in the side of the building.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/reynolds/docs/WTC1_hole.jpg
Hey look close, is that a terrorist in the cockpit ? :rolleyes:

[kooskoets]

Too bad they forgot motion blur in all those pic's.

Indeed...bs-artists they are...

[kooskoets]

How many of those 100,000 had their telephotos pointed at the plane-shaped holes, which were there for almost an hour in one case and 90 minutes in the other? Shouldn't we have some fantastic collections of sharp, hi-res, zoomed-in photos of the holes? Where are they? Try searching on google images. The same handful of grainy images are duplicated all over the internet.

That's a very good Q.

They all made their last photo right before the "impact" and none after that "fact".

[thedefender]

want me to show what else i got. it would realy make a fool of you. keep talking im waiting for the right time

Why not just post them then. Your waiting for deniers for what purpose?

[ellis_deatrip]

Why not just post them then. Your waiting for deniers for what purpose?
Wonder if it's same reason that Jesus is waiting for so long to make his triumphant return......:p

[dave52]

keep talking im waiting for the right time

Well hurry the fuck up, I'm on holiday after tomorrow. I'd like to spend my time off contemplating my foolishness...

[3stepsahead]

it took 9 years for a goose to obtain psyop photos
well thats a freaking miracle

[apollo_gnomon]

Well hurry the fuck up, I'm on holiday after tomorrow. I'd like to spend my time off contemplating my foolishness...

+1

Stating you have -- something -- but you're just -- holding off -- for unspecified --- reasons -- just sounds like game playing and sets off everyone's bullshit detector.

Seriously, I'm in agreement with dave! That's very unusual! Ordinarily I agree with your posts but I'm very skeptical about this statement.

[kbeet]

Just to clear up any misunderstanding, kbeet thinks the image below shows a plane stuck in the side of the building.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/reynolds/docs/WTC1_hole.jpg

then what are you looking at in that picture
a plane on impackt

[kbeet]

keet watching the left side of the vedio screen
Never before seen Video of WTC 9/11 attack - YouTube

Admin comment: disappearing vids is a forum glitch that has been discussed many times.

Usually fixed by clicking on Edit and then resaving.

[policestate]

kerry - that is a drawing of a plane

[policestate]

keet watching the left side of the vedio screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Qu6eyyr4c

Is there a problem with the audio?

I can hear a plane travelling at normal speed, from a half a mile away in my house.

The camera could not pick up a plane travelling at supposedly close to 500MPH, but it could pick up the sirens on the ground.

Why could you only hear the plane about 1 second before impact?

[tabea_blumenschein]

I can hear a plane travelling at normal speed, from a half a mile away in my house.

The camera could not pick up a plane travelling at supposedly close to 500MPH, but it could pick up the sirens on the ground.

Why could you only hear the plane about 1 second before impact?

Short answer: because the plane is flying so fast, and also because of the time it takes for the sound to reach the camera.

Long answer: listen to the audio again. You begin to hear the plane about one or two seconds before you see the impact, but you don't hear the impact until about two seconds after you see it.

The plane was going an estimated 240 meters per second. You hear the impact about 2 seconds after you see it, which puts the camera around 500 meters away from the impact site (the building was a little over 400 meters tall, by the way). The first sound you hear from the plane is from about 3 seconds before impact, which puts the plane about 700 meters or so away from the tower when that sound was produced. Using the Pythagorean theorem with those two numbers (we appear to be working with something pretty darn close to a right triangle), I estimate the first sound you hear from the plane was produced when the plane was about 860 meters or so away from the camera. That's about 2821 feet, or over half of a mile.

[stannrodd]

Tabea,
It's always interesting to note the way No Planers try to show video fakery when a simple answer exists. You beat me again to the line .. hardee haa ha !

Thanks for your concise and correct analysis of "policestates" question.

There is no problem with the sound track in my opinion.

We now await the usual barrage of BS from the Kooza & Bryan brigade of manure spreaders.

The Clan McSpreaders .. LOL

Stann

[dave52]

then what are you looking at in that picture
a plane on impackt

That is an outline of a plane drawn over a picture of the damaged WTC.

That is not a picture of a plane.

[ultima1]

as you sead befor is that what you sead. when i told you a while back i saw a plane sticking out of the building you say that there wasent no plane.. now you say it was a plane and it wouldent stick out because it would be shreded

I am saying you did not see a plane sticking out of the towers. As shown by many videos and expert reports the planes were shredded as they entered the buildings.

Now there was a military eyewitness that stated the plane was sticking out of the Pentagon for a few seconds before it was destroyed by a fireball.

[kahn2010]

Is it not enough to say they were US military modified planes with small rocket launchers on the bottom?

It makes no differenece whether they were remote controlled or piloted, they were US military planes, not commercial airliners.


Now, i dont know what they did with the real planes and the passengers (for all i know they could have been sent to the moon!), but i do know the US government did it.

[bryan]

then what are you looking at in that picture
a plane on impackt

Thanks for not being on our side.

[policestate]

Tabea -- That's the type of responses and feedback we should be getting across this forum. I get and respect your answer but i'm not totally buying the validity of the video presented.

I don't have a response to that, but maybe someone else will. I'm not here to say anyone is wrong just because i have certain beliefs, i'm on the side of truth for 9/11, not silly 'sides' of theories - plane or no plane.

"Stannrodd" is only here to fuel the flames of hostility. He doesn't actually provide any evidence or contribution. Take no notice of him.

[bryan]

then what are you looking at in that picture
a plane on impackt

And thanks for being on Stann's side.

[cinder_darkskys]

That is an outline of a plane drawn over a picture of the damaged WTC.

That is not a picture of a plane.

Dave your right ; thats not a plane ; The image is a graph overlay, showing that its was a plan hit the building. 3d was new at that time, not in the main stream media, it cost to much.

many of the peaple on this site and, around the world, want there to be more to this then a few sick peaple.

there is more to this, The son of man was BORN out this. this would be someone who could declair Jehad.

PeaceLovesAll

[kbeet]

That is an outline of a plane drawn over a picture of the damaged WTC.

That is not a picture of a plane.

i knowits not a plane
your just trying to take attention off the other pictures

[dave52]

i knowits not a plane
your just trying to take attention off the other pictures

No, I'm not. I see the other pictures. Lots of pictures of planes approaching the WTC. We've all seen them.

I'm trying to find the picture of the plane sticking out of the damaged WTC. The one you claim to have seen.

I want to see it Kbeet. Can you post it here, or point me to a website that has it please.

[cinder_darkskys]

Art is a point of view
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=712&pictureid=7957
as a side note ;

Its kind of like the BP Oil spill. we have not even deturmen, what cause the spill, or discused the possabillity of who caused the spill, or for what reason, Facts seem hard to find on this one, is there and ON GOING INVESTAGATION.

But we did see the US of A go straight to BP a Crown CO. if Im not mistaken. which ment if any thing happen, the tax payer of the C.W would be held countable for.

Things that make you say Hummm......

In other words there may NOT be and going investagate, the Oil well spill, because they dertumened whos at falt. BP.

This dose 2 things.

1 insures quick clean up and LOW impack. We all want this.

2 it also mean, once payed, why pay more for and investagation. BP took responability. like taking candy from a baby.

Things that trouble me about the this spill, It happens, in the light of to-days techno wizard, something gos wrong.

The US of A is under INTENCE pressure, suffering A super mega det. Its So bad, China dollor is devalue by 40%. worst the US of A by out side the US. Means they dont build, anything usefull for the world any more.

Worst, over the years, they closed there factorys to clean up there enviroments, because many of there peaples are suffering HUGE medic exspance from the NOW poison eviroment. Clearly showen on my imagery of the US of A. in the south, where huge DEATH ZONES are showen. these are not the same as in surounding the holy lands. These peaple have possability of living regenerating

in the souther US of A, IT is masive Dead Pockets of WASTLAND Peaple should NOT be in there, This place has NO possability of supporting usefull life. Dead Zone or will be. They killed it and its spreding., To the North there a super valcano, beside is a huge Glyph his hand presenting in the other hand and upside down cross, mean this is hell. The gulf is and impacked hit, would raise the land around the vava flow covering other flow back in the passed. the super valcon path of the vava flow show which way its gone in the passed.


In Asian i find and even of a a super valcano that has gone off, or happen at least 3 times in the passed. that path is right throw China and out to sea.

Do I smell rot.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=628&pictureid=7908

I think I do.

Hi ya Skull. in the SW. That pretty verssion The lighting throw the wrist, the deathly thing point to the wrist, says TIMES UP MoFo. are the bones and the bonds of slavery, its been seen over and over, if you been up to date. its seen in ICELAND and the Holylands as well as in the US of A.

That image could change, as the sin of the father are not those of the son, unless they choose those sins.

And of corce, the peaple who CAUSE the Medical and envormental problums, They DON'T to Pay that cost. They control the US of A goverment with lobbist and special interest groups.

So when the US of A votes, it may as well be a list with the same name on it.

As for 9-11, I have never seeing a NEW video releasted after the Investagation. and the video here claiming to be new is a cut seen video, they used to show the even. At the time, these are high value shots, anything falling in to the media hand aired a few time and pulled shortly after disapears, from the Magic tooth fairy. then we are left with, There verssion of the story, based on the cut seens.

Hyer active media mindless pap, where the media peaple try to dictate what you know about something, based whole on some Goverment producted script.

I happen to watch the second hit on TV, these were about some kind of wanta be Jehads, lead by Some Rich Nut bar called Binladin, who Could helped his peaple, but choose the way of pain instead, he claimed resonability, for even shortly after.

This cause the US of A to be IMPRISONED, by its own goverment.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=628&pictureid=7947

To you this is the most spook image i have produce to date. You see the destuction of some peaple. to religions around the world. that conformation, the destuction of Evil souls on contact. the fear in the eyes of ALL evil around the event are mortified.

The person was invited to do this, the religions the object. They know just whats going on. behind the event its the Jackel grins waiting for its turn, hopeing to be next.

To them they see the best of there religion safe in the arms of god, what they are in that image, and the worst. No one gives a crap about EVIL peaple. they know the best of them are in those white robes high above hell out the way of the destruction.

David Icke's Official Forums > Main Forums > 9/11
for all the bs artist

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=768&pictureid=7447

Sheep are easly farmed, there not to bright, and there usefull, so we proagate them.

when most peaple look at my art let say, That fuckin Skys he did it again. how is he doing this. How dose he find this stuff, How dose he know, what he knows, when and where to look. peaple around the world study and look images all day long. and NOT one has said hey look at this, there Jackel or Heyna.

So thats called a discovery a part my discovery, and Im teaching it. To the right peaple. right now.

Art is a form of Communication is a process of transferring information from one entity to another.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=712&pictureid=7708

Art makes you feel, it about mental chemical responce

Love from Skys

That called Free speech

Freedom of speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[nightgash]

kerry - that is a drawing of a plane

lol thats funny.

Surely if they were US Military aircraft the video logs by Air Traffic Control would disprove this.

I've also never heard of a low level only B767. The USA don't even own low level B767 and Boeing don't even make them. Boeing were going to make a B767 Tanker for military ops however.

[kbeet]

No, I'm not. I see the other pictures. Lots of pictures of planes approaching the WTC. We've all seen them.

I'm trying to find the picture of the plane sticking out of the damaged WTC. The one you claim to have seen.

I want to see it Kbeet. Can you post it here, or point me to a website that has it please.

there is a vedio that shows a plane flying into the building
if you see that and still say there was no plane
then your BS ing me. everyone else in this thread saw it and know it was a plane flying into the building. you all alone with the bs your throwing
bye

[kbeet]

Is there a problem with the audio?

I can hear a plane travelling at normal speed, from a half a mile away in my house.

The camera could not pick up a plane travelling at supposedly close to 500MPH, but it could pick up the sirens on the ground.

Why could you only hear the plane about 1 second before impact?

maybe you should change your pills

[dave52]

there is a vedio that shows a plane flying into the building
if you see that and still say there was no plane
then your BS ing me. everyone else in this thread saw it and know it was a plane flying into the building. you all alone with the bs your throwing
bye

I've seen every video there is showing planes flying into buildings. That's not what I'm talking about.

You said there was a picture of one of the planes sticking out of the WTC after impact.

Show me the picture.

[apollo_gnomon]

kerry - I'm on your side, but dave's right. You're confused. There are NO pictures of planes sticking out of the WTC, because the airframes went completely into the building.

This line of argument is not helping. I believe that you were one of the 50,000 to 500,000 possible eye witnesses, but there's no picture of a plane stuck in a wtc tower.

Can we drop that one and move on?

[kooskoets]

kerry - I'm on your side, but dave's right. You're confused.

He's not confused.
He just made clear he thinks everybody is taking pills.

Should make you think...

[bryan]

If Chris is out there, please come back and restore some sanity to the forum.

[dave52]

There are NO pictures of planes sticking out of the WTC

Can we drop that one and move on?


Well... no actually. Kbeet started a thread aimed at calling out all the Bullshit Artists. In his first post of his new thread he states:

oh i got more. how does one of the planes sticking out of the building after it hit sound to you..


So, I either need to see this image, or he needs to retract the statement. I'd hate for people to think that the guy is a Bullshit Artist.

[apollo_gnomon]

Good point - it's his claim in his thread.

[kbeet]

I've seen every video there is showing planes flying into buildings. That's not what I'm talking about.

You said there was a picture of one of the planes sticking out of the WTC after impact.

Show me the picture.

yes there was

[apollo_gnomon]

Yer on your own with this one, kerry.

[ellis_deatrip]

maybe you should change your pills
congratulations, K.Bee! This is your first post with 100% correct spelling!

I was curious if there may be subconscious thoughts hidden within your posts.
Rearranging the letters of: 'maybe you should change your pills' gives:

"Doubly pushy, coy, human allegories."
"Humanely up saucy or good-bye, shill."
"Oh my! Played by uncourageous shill."
"Yum! coup du looney, gay-basher, shill."
"Adore humpy, saucy, shill looney bug."
"A shill up, scum bug ,heyday or, looney?"
"Shill: A saucy, pudgy, looney, bum hero."
Do anagrams reflect the nature of ones true intentions? Some researchers and psychologists believe it does. :p

[apollo_gnomon]

Do anagrams reflect the nature of ones true intentions? Some researchers and psychologists believe it does.
Thanks, ellis. That's precisely what this thread needed. :)

[policestate]

maybe you should change your pills

maybe you should open your eyes a little bit

[stannrodd]

congratulations, K.Bee! This is your first post with 100% correct spelling!

I was curious if there may be subconscious thoughts hidden within your posts.
Rearranging the letters of: 'maybe you should change your pills' gives:

"Doubly pushy, coy, human allegories."
"Humanely up saucy or good-bye, shill."
"Oh my! Played by uncourageous shill."
"Yum! coup du looney, gay-basher, shill."
"Adore humpy, saucy, shill looney bug."
"A shill up, scum bug ,heyday or, looney?"
"Shill: A saucy, pudgy, looney, bum hero."
Do anagrams reflect the nature of ones true intentions? Some researchers and psychologists believe it does. :p

Well done !!

[tabea_blumenschein]

Short answer: because the plane is flying so fast, and also because of the time it takes for the sound to reach the camera.

Long answer: listen to the audio again. You begin to hear the plane about one or two seconds before you see the impact, but you don't hear the impact until about two seconds after you see it.

The plane was going an estimated 240 meters per second. You hear the impact about 2 seconds after you see it, which puts the camera around 500 meters away from the impact site (the building was a little over 400 meters tall, by the way). The first sound you hear from the plane is from about 3 seconds before impact, which puts the plane about 700 meters or so away from the tower when that sound was produced. Using the Pythagorean theorem with those two numbers (we appear to be working with something pretty darn close to a right triangle), I estimate the first sound you hear from the plane was produced when the plane was about 860 meters or so away from the camera. That's about 2821 feet, or over half of a mile.


I can't believe I can post a boneheaded comment like this one and not have someone notice what's wrong with it for three whole days. I should be using 330 meters per second for the speed of sound and not the plane's speed! :o::rolleyes::p I slip up once in a while because I'm admittedly very absentminded, but I just don't know what the fuck was wrong with me while I was writing this.

In any case, if the first sound you hear from the plane was produced three seconds before impact, that's about 1,000 meters away. You don't need to mess with triangles or anything, just multiply 330 m/s by 3 secs.

I apologize for any confusion resulting from this stupid, stupid post of mine. If there's a truther equivalent of a Stundie award, hand it over. I deserve it.

[apollo_gnomon]

I can't believe I can post a boneheaded comment like this one and not have someone notice what's wrong with it for three whole days. I should be using 330 meters per second for the speed of sound and not the plane's speed! :o::rolleyes::p I slip up once in a while because I'm admittedly very absentminded, but I just don't know what the fuck was wrong with me while I was writing this.

In any case, if the first sound you hear from the plane was produced three seconds before impact, that's about 1,000 meters away. You don't need to mess with triangles or anything, just multiply 330 m/s by 3 secs.

I apologize for any confusion resulting from this stupid, stupid post of mine. If there's a truther equivalent of a Stundie award, hand it over. I deserve it.

I feel bad for not catching that, but I honestly just sorta skip-read the post. I've been waiting for that "point" to eventually be brought up, so when I did I just rolled my eyes and moved on.

Of course, the truthers didn't catch it either, because they don't read at all, or lack the skills to understand the answer.

[stannrodd]

I can't believe I can post a boneheaded comment like this one and not have someone notice what's wrong with it for three whole days. I should be using 330 meters per second for the speed of sound and not the plane's speed! :o::rolleyes::p I slip up once in a while because I'm admittedly very absentminded, but I just don't know what the fuck was wrong with me while I was writing this.

In any case, if the first sound you hear from the plane was produced three seconds before impact, that's about 1,000 meters away. You don't need to mess with triangles or anything, just multiply 330 m/s by 3 secs.

I apologize for any confusion resulting from this stupid, stupid post of mine. If there's a truther equivalent of a Stundie award, hand it over. I deserve it.

Actually .. you might need to use triangles if you want an accurate figure for the observation position, rather than the straight line trajectory to impact.

The sound received at the camera is straight line from the incoming aircraft to the camera .. and is different for an observer at the impact site.

But then I could be wrong .. ?

[policestate]

I would start a new post.

Not cool to hijack kerry's post.

[stannrodd]

I would start a new post.

Not cool to hijack kerry's post.

The above comments are in support of kerry's post indirectly .. I'm sure kerry would agree.

Stann

[tabea_blumenschein]

Actually .. you might need to use triangles if you want an accurate figure for the observation position, rather than the straight line trajectory to impact.

The sound received at the camera is straight line from the incoming aircraft to the camera .. and is different for an observer at the impact site.

But then I could be wrong .. ?

Yeah, I see what you're saying. Since you hear the impact in the video nearly 2 seconds after you see it, we can at least be sure that the distance from the camera to the impact sight is up to 660 meters away. That alone is enough to lead us to reasonably expect the distance between camera and plane when the first clearly heard sound emanated is something over 1/2 a mile, and that's really all that we're interested in.

[kbeet]

here is your photos of planes hiting the wtc.. be sure you look at all of them or you will miss the suprise.. oh i got more. how does one of the planes sticking out of the building after it hit sound to you.. you want to make a liar out of me with this one.. dont mess with me the next one WILL shut your mouths im saving it for you

http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit_photos.html

bumbing this up so somone i directed this site to can find it

[dave52]

Still waiting for the image of the plane sticking out of the hole, and I've been on holiday for over a week...

[stannrodd]

Still waiting for the image of the plane sticking out of the hole, and I've been on holiday for over a week...

How was your holiday Dave ..?

Planes .. Holes .. FFS !

That's why you had a holiday wasn't it .. to get away from this shite ..

Welcome back anyway ... :) Stann

[dave52]

The holiday was fab thanks...!

[ellis_deatrip]

Still waiting for the image of the plane sticking out of the hole, and I've been on holiday for over a week...
Damn, YOU bumped it . I was hoping this was gonna be the triumphant moment ! Well, it's your triumphant return , anyway. W.B. :rolleyes:

[kbeet]

Which picture shows that...?

go to my Posts: padge 3 in this thread
watch the vedio and keep your eye near the top left of the vedio
and you will see a plane crash into the 2nd building
your own eyes dont lie

[dave52]

Yes there are plenty of videos showing planes hitting the WTC.

I want to see the picture of the plane sticking out of the WTC after the impact. You claim to have seen it. I want to see it.

It's tiresome Kbeet, it really is...

[kbeet]

Yes there are plenty of videos showing planes hitting the WTC.

I want to see the picture of the plane sticking out of the WTC after the impact. You claim to have seen it. I want to see it.

It's tiresome Kbeet, it really is...

why in the hell would you want to see anything else that prooves planes hit the buildings you just saw it on vedio

[dave52]

why in the hell would you want to see anything else that prooves planes hit the buildings you just saw it on vedio

That's kinda the point of tv fakery.


So just to get this straight.


Kbeet starts a thread about BS Artists.

He claims that he's seen a picture of one of the planes sticking out of the impact area after the WTC has been hit.

He fails to provide evidence for this picture time and again.

[ultima1]

why in the hell would you want to see anything else that prooves planes hit the buildings you just saw it on vedio

Simple, vidoes can be faked.

What real, actual evidence do you have? Any official reports?

[kbeet]

i showed proof
you stay in your little world your conspiracys of 9/11 are as far as they are going to get. like it stops in this forum. i got the whole city of new york behind me and the world knows there was planes to. so im not wasting my time with idiots.

[dave52]

oh i got more. how does one of the planes sticking out of the building after it hit sound to you..

Show me...


im not wasting my time with idiots.

I appear to be wasting my time with BS Artists....

[ellis_deatrip]

i showed proof
you stay in your little world your conspiracys of 9/11 are as far as they are going to get. like it stops in this forum. i got the whole city of new york behind me and the world knows there was planes to. so im not wasting my time with idiots.

How the fuck did the whole fucking city see exactly what Hit the towers? Impossible.
And don't say you saw it on the big screen in times square. :rolleyes:
Talk about bullshit.:eek:

[thedefender]

Trust me....not all of NYC has got your back. I have spoke with people who were in lower manhattan on 9/11...there accounts were that they were watching WTC...next thing they saw was a massive explosion from the other tower. They did not say anything about no plane...however they did not indicate it being anything else. My father worked in Newark on 9/11 which is right across the Hudson. His coworkers and himself said the same. I don't consider myself a "no-planer" however I keep the book open for all possibilities.

A theory I have floated around in my head is that what hit WTC 1+2 was a missle disguised as a plane or inside the plane. The plane acting as a shell or casing around which the missle would sit withing. This could possibly explain why the plane was black in color. Also why it was able to penetrate and create such an incredible explosion. Perhaps the missle was some high technology or a micro nuke or some kind.

[kbeet]

How the fuck did the whole fucking city see exactly what Hit the towers? Impossible.
And don't say you saw it on the big screen in times square. :rolleyes:
Talk about bullshit.:eek:

easey
after the first plane hit everyone was looking
then they saw the other plane hit.
they found parts of a plane in and around the falld towers
they found and identified a terrorist in the planes control front
with that id the fbi found a note with a message from bin laden in the terrorist motell room. with instructions on how to attack.
they allso identified other terrorist in other planes.
your done. the city the fbi and the world makes you all the liar.
oh.... and i was in new york then and i saw the plane hit the building
so save your attempts to include uncle sam in the attack.
and go play checkers with soopy sales. just your speed

[ellis_deatrip]

http://geofftop.com/smile/iamwithstupid.gif

[ellis_deatrip]

A theory I have floated around in my head is that what hit WTC 1+2 was a missle disguised as a plane or inside the plane. The plane acting as a shell or casing around which the missle would sit withing. This could possibly explain why the plane was black in color. Also why it was able to penetrate and create such an incredible explosion. Perhaps the missle was some high technology or a micro nuke or some kind.
something similar to this? :eek:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j100/yoshi667/no%20planes%209-11/JASSMBOEING767.jpg

[eyeballkid88]

Simple, vidoes can be faked.

What real, actual evidence do you have? Any official reports?

Can you not see that offical reports can be faked also?

[eyeballkid88]

easey
after the first plane hit everyone was looking
then they saw the other plane hit.
they found parts of a plane in and around the falld towers
they found and identified a terrorist in the planes control front
with that id the fbi found a note with a message from bin laden in the terrorist motell room. with instructions on how to attack.
they allso identified other terrorist in other planes.
your done. the city the fbi and the world makes you all the liar.
oh.... and i was in new york then and i saw the plane hit the building
so save your attempts to include uncle sam in the attack.
and go play checkers with soopy sales. just your speed

Yes thats right...

and tower seven fell over due to a big gust of wind , and the rothchilds are humanitarians..

Im glad weve cleared this up...

[ellis_deatrip]

http://geofftop.com/smile/iamwithstupid.gif Wanna play checkers? R:rolleyes:FL.

[lateral_v]

easey
after the first plane hit everyone was looking
then they saw the other plane hit.
they found parts of a plane in and around the falld towers
they found and identified a terrorist in the planes control front
with that id the fbi found a note with a message from bin laden in the terrorist motell room. with instructions on how to attack.
they allso identified other terrorist in other planes.
your done. the city the fbi and the world makes you all the liar.
oh.... and i was in new york then and i saw the plane hit the building
so save your attempts to include uncle sam in the attack.
and go play checkers with soopy sales. just your speed

Wot language is this??? :confused:

[ellis_deatrip]

Wot language is this??? :confused:

"and go play checkers with soopy sales" translates anagramatically into:
"Acidness or lowly pychopath as Geek"
"wealthy as sloppy greek chic so-and-so"
"psycho-analysis: Speckled Goat Whore"
"psycho-analysis wreckage! Oh, Old Pest!"

http://geofftop.com/smile/2youfool.gif

[lateral_v]

"and go play checkers with soopy sales" translates anagramatically into:
"Acidness or lowly pychopath as Geek"
"wealthy as sloppy greek chic so-and-so"
http://geofftop.com/smile/2youfool.gif

Well thank god I'm not Greek then i guess! :p :D

Playing checkers with ellis! anagramatically translated into

"Slickly energetic whiplash."
"Pleasingly ticklish chewer"

:D

[lateral_v]

"and go play checkers with soopy sales" translates anagramatically into:
"Acidness or lowly pychopath as Geek"
"wealthy as sloppy greek chic so-and-so"
"psycho-analysis: Speckled Goat Whore"
"psycho-analysis wreckage! Oh, Old Pest!"

http://geofftop.com/smile/2youfool.gif

Ellis going nuts with anagram?

"Whinging artisans lout gleam."
"Wriggling, loutish, mean Satan."
"That gruelling as womanising."
"I am well hung goring Satanist."
"I am that gangrenous swilling."

:confused::eek::D

[lightgiver]

Fantasy Island TV Show Opening Theme Season One 1978 - YouTube

The plane, the plane.

Danny Jowenko on WTC 7 controlled demolition

Danny Jowenko on WTC 7 controlled demolition - YouTube

Interview with Controlled Demo Expert, Danny Jowenko, confirming that Building 7 was brought down on purpose.

[whatsinaname]

easey
after the first plane hit everyone was looking
then they saw the other plane hit.
they found parts of a plane in and around the falld towers
they found and identified a terrorist in the planes control front
with that id the fbi found a note with a message from bin laden in the terrorist motell room. with instructions on how to attack.
they allso identified other terrorist in other planes.
your done. the city the fbi and the world makes you all the liar.
oh.... and i was in new york then and i saw the plane hit the building
so save your attempts to include uncle sam in the attack.
and go play checkers with soopy sales. just your speed

Wow! Just WOW!

[ironcobra]

easey
after the first plane hit everyone was looking
then they saw the other plane hit.
they found parts of a plane in and around the falld towers
they found and identified a terrorist in the planes control front
with that id the fbi found a note with a message from bin laden in the terrorist motell room. with instructions on how to attack.
they allso identified other terrorist in other planes.
your done. the city the fbi and the world makes you all the liar.
oh.... and i was in new york then and i saw the plane hit the building
so save your attempts to include uncle sam in the attack.
and go play checkers with soopy sales. just your speed
this thread should be locked after a comment like this, this kind of logic could really cause some brain damage if taken seriously, u should be more considerate in your shilling...lol the fbi and a note personally from bin laden...lol lol lol i heard that the picture u mentioned of the plane sticking out was personally autographed by g w bush so its gotta be real i got a picture of that picture but im not gonna show it till the right time:rolleyes:

[troubled]

easey
after the first plane hit everyone was looking
then they saw the other plane hit.
they found parts of a plane in and around the falld towers
they found and identified a terrorist in the planes control front
with that id the fbi found a note with a message from bin laden in the terrorist motell room. with instructions on how to attack.
they allso identified other terrorist in other planes.
your done. the city the fbi and the world makes you all the liar.
oh.... and i was in new york then and i saw the plane hit the building
so save your attempts to include uncle sam in the attack.
and go play checkers with soopy sales. just your speed
u da man, its soupy sales. couldn't get that correct either.

[frase]

http://http://old.911digitalarchive.org/images/files/2447.pjpegIn the last of those photos you can clearly see it is actually a Unired Airlines plane...
I had always thought it a military palne....Unless this has been photoshopped?

Can someone paste here...Not sure how to do it.
It is the last one on the set....

[frase]

http://old.911digitalarchive.org/images/files/2447.pjpeg

[frase]

http://http://old.911digitalarchive.org/images/files/2447.pjpeg

[stannrodd]

http://http://old.911digitalarchive.org/images/files/2447.pjpegIn the last of those photos you can clearly see it is actually a Unired Airlines plane...
I had always thought it a military palne....Unless this has been photoshopped?

Can someone paste here...Not sure how to do it.
It is the last one on the set....

Very easy to do a paint job on a military 767 tanker plane .. in United Airlines livery .. Easier and more effective than all this video fakery and photo-shopped shit...

Real plane .. real impact .. false plane .. but looking like a UA plane ..

Simple as a pimple ..

Stann :)

[cinder_darkskys]

Topic tracker
LoL did that guy make a reference to a missile and a commercial jet.



Only one small problem. The 767 tanker was not produced in 2001.

smile

They the temperature from the fire was at 6000 degrees, it would have burnt straight to the basement. and burnt for days. that cant be explain that event, in 911.

aside from the other things, that are almost imposable, like actually hitting 1 statuary 1 target with a plane that moving 200 to 300 miles an hour. if i were to guess, I would say stall speed is between 200 and 270 Mph, the actual size of the makes gliding imposable. U cant glide a brick. so to hit that target, and do it twice and in 1 pass. It pretty hard.

I'm sure there are commercial pilots on site, they tell you that would very hard to do in self.Then you add pilots commitment.

one the things that came out about that time, was a guidance package for these jets. you could set a gps and high and the planes computer would bring you right there. with minor correction from the pilot. you could nail those building.

CIA per that time shows the tower beaning targeted. the CIA employs and deployed remote viewers. They produce a booklet showing the tower beening targeted. Like Shaman, people don't understand these thing like PK or psi metal power, or that potential.

take shamans people thought wow this cool, healing and this and that, at the end, they did not like who they had to thank. When they found out, people clear out like a fart in the wind.

Skys

[ellis_deatrip]

Pretenders - Middle Of The Road
http://geofftop.com/Music/the%20pretenders%20-mystery%20achievement%201980.mp3
Pretenders- Mystery Achievement ....;)

[ultima1]

Very easy to do a paint job on a military 767 tanker plane .. in United Airlines livery.

Only one small problem. The 767 tanker was not produced in 2001.

[cinder_darkskys]

Bassnectar- Creation Lullaby Not In Our- Not In Our Name
911 holds some interest for me

One could say the sun of god, was born of that fire.

I am looking for a strong 911 topic, one that can keep the topic flow to a study, of the subject 911. As this is 911 and a ART based topic. I think we as a group can make some incredible discovery. I do know the end result of what you will really find out about 911. there much more to the event then is really know.


Only one small problem. The 767 tanker was not produced in 2001.

Also back then fuels were designed, to burn a certain way. fuel were designed to give the people in the plane the max time to escape if the worst happen.

So and exploding air plane is as low as possible. your would needed full tanks to get a bang and a triggering system, there not enough fuel in the tanks to burn throw a build that size. and the fuel it self burn and explode at a certain heat level, far under 6000 degrees. in fact there no element any where around there, that burn at that heat level.

Where in gods green earth could find that heat. what could generate that heat, to go throw that many floors. and to do it what was the heat to start.

and thats were the fire ended up, at the lowest levels of the building or Bed rock.

there allot of events around this main event, that well are not fully understood.

So I 'm am will to work the topic based on, these so call mysteries, with you all. How every I am the artist the topic leader was referring to no dough.

I would enjoy a more clinical view of 911. So, we all have the event that stand out in our minds. this dose not add up and heres why. every one is entitled to there opinions. As most of you are vet's of David site. So you all know what i can do. Your aware, what levels I'm willing to take a topic, I will turn over there graves to get at the truth.

So we all have UTUBE at the bottom right you will see and HQ. this a loud for maxim decompression of imagery.

fakers can be detected, throw art. Means if some one produce image, and we or I cant get the same imagery from that unsaid image. its a fake. or has been alter to make a unsaid image.

In other word you cant draw image say a UFO. and say that image stands unless it can be reproduces, from that footage, if its real.

ART basic 101

Video cards. I use a BFG TECH Its and Nvidia clone video card GeForce GTS250 1 gb on board ram, how ever i use NVIDIA driver system, which cause WIN7 to run those drivers and not BFG factory install, which has to go in 1st. I rewrite over those drivers keeping only what its need from BFG

It slows my gaming, but man is it pretty.

Set video adapter set to a high resolute, depending on your screen size you will note EVERYTHING runs slower but looks really pretty. This deploys you compression drivers and soft wares to what your seeing, right to the screen.

you can fix you ICON size so every things not so small, in your control panes.

Window uses a a art programing call . BMP files
BMP file format - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Put your art program up.

Watch video under HQ

if your found what you like

depress the Prt Sct sys/rq < hit the print screen key ) this employ's the copy command do not pause screen to get shot. to start you want to hit what you want randomly throw the many frames, that you like.

Now your image is in the ram of your computer. pause video, put your active. BMP file < art program ). Depress Ctrl +v keys together, your image will appear in side your BMP file.

Saving files should have a name fallowed by a numbering system

it would look something like ;
frase-911-Info word-001bb and so on

multi frames is best. post your choice of the best frames

Paused Imagery can be very bury, how ever some times very useful at times.

multi frame over lays are normal junk, however sometime, in events such as these. < holy war high lander ) special images can be produces, often there just passed by, as junk

now more then a few of you haunt these 911 topics, they normally, fad away.

I prepossessing we study it throw arts and imagery, all aspects of 911 in alt-era high definition.

This is what he really wants, creator of topic :D. The Little Scroll.

In the process, i will a temp to teach a bit of what i know about retrieving information in this way. I call it passing out silver bullets.

that if you stall the topic. I drop.

[ultima1]

Also back then fuels were designed, to burn a certain way. fuel were designed to give the people in the plane the max time to escape if the worst happen.

Well JET fuel is basically kerosene with some additives.

The old B-25 that hit the Empire State building, its fires would actaully have done more damage because it used high octane AV gas.

The problem i have with the amount of heat is the amount of heat needed to melt all the metal in the basements and debris under that many buildings and keep it molten for up to 6weeks.

[cinder_darkskys]

Well JET fuel is basically kerosene with some additives.

The old B-25 that hit the Empire State building, its fires would actaully have done more damage because it used high octane AV gas.

The problem i have with the amount of heat is the amount of heat needed to melt all the metal in the basements and debris under that many buildings and keep it molten for up to 6weeks.

yes I seen that footage, If think back there was no real building perpetration on that one, I seem to to recall the tail end hanging over on kind of a decking system up there. There all kind of video around that crash as well.

see I did not know it was there for 6 weeks. dang.

Did they ever prove there were no elements around that site, to cause that kind of reaction.
6 week thats hot stuff :D, all that information, would easily accessed, by the general public. The public as well as the government would had to had, about the same facts, all investigated these possibility, they would looked very much the same, if they were true.

What elements burn at that heat. and could stay hot that long. that kind heat = rad's < radiation ).

Skys

[ultima1]

What elements burn at that heat. and could stay hot that long. that kind heat = rad's < radiation ).

Well thats why there is so much talk about thermite being present.Thermite is one of the elements that would produce that amount of heat for that long.

Also the report of molten metals in the basment of building 6. So that's a lot of heat produced to be in the basements and debris of buildings 1,2,6, and 7.

As far as radiation, the EPA blamed radiatoin as the crash sites on Depeleted Uranium from the planes. Problem is that the 757/767 do not carry DU.

[noewhan]

This probably means nothing, I just found it interesting...

http://www.911conspiracy.tv/images/2nd-hit/2nd-hit_Cotsifas_Anthony_hiny-6588.jpg

http://jfklancer.com/photos/DPlaza/umbrella.jpg
(JFK Umbrella man)


Resident evil. Umbrella corp turns people into zombies, all as a test for the best. Hmm.

Someone before mentioned how there's no blur. Well, I can see slight blurs.

[stannrodd]

Only one small problem. The 767 tanker was not produced in 2001.

Can you support this claim with some valid references ultima1 .. or are you saying that the 767 tanker was not produced until after 2001 .... I see from various sources that the 767 airframe was first introduced into passenger service in 1982. The 767 airframe was well understood by 2001. Some almost two decades later .. !

Since the US military have always had an interest in aircraft from this Boeing factory in Seattle .. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the military already had this airframe tested as a tanker replacement for the KC135 (The older Boeing 707 airframe). The Lockheed 1101 and DC10 (KC10) tankers also .. all are still in service from what I can gather.

Stann

[ultima1]

Can you support this claim with some valid references ultima1 .. or are you saying that the 767 tanker was not produced until after 2001 ....

The 767 tanker was not in production untill after 2001 and then went to foreign countries.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_KC-767
The Boeing KC-767 is a military aerial refueling and strategic transport aircraft developed from the Boeing 767-200ER. The tanker received the designation KC-767A in 2002[1] after being selected by the US Air Force initially to replace older KC-135Es.[2] In December 2003, the contract was frozen and later canceled due to corruption allegations.

The tanker is currently being developed for use by the Italian and Japanese air forces, who have ordered four tankers each.[3] Financing of the development of the aircraft, over $1 billion, has been borne by Boeing, in that it hoped to get major orders from the U.S. Air Force.[4]

[07august]

CBS News prez warned in 2000 about fake plane crashes - YouTube News prez warned in 2000 about fake plane crash

TV Fakery test runs minutes before live 2nd WTC hit? - YouTube
TV Fakery test runs minutes before live 2nd WTC hit?

http://www.pvi.tv/pvi/

PVI Virtual Media Services

InVU
A proprietary vision-based method we pioneered in 2002, InVU is like a computer with literally hundreds of eyes, each focused on a unique part of a video image. These eyes extract the “metadata” or Digital DNA of the scene, allowing us to insert virtually anything into the image in real time. Opening up new revenue streams for both the advertiser and broadcaster.

http://www.pvi.tv/pvi/about-us

Click on demo. Can you tell which video has been inserted into each video scene? My favorite is the wiggly truck inserted in the the 2nd video scene. Downlines and logos on football fields are generated from the LVIS computer. A virtual wireframe is generated by plotting 3 parallel lines & 2 perpendicular lines on a camera shot. Easy enough to do with verticle WTC buildings.

PVI computer (LVIS) generated plane icon inserted in the camera shot to make the 2nd odd looking plane cutout move toward the WTC towers.

And unlike sensor-based “virtual” systems, InVU does not require wires connected to the camera or lenses that are altered or modified. And since we don’t need to be physically tied to the actual broadcast, we can insert the virtual images downstream, away from the program location – eliminating the added expense of on-site trucks, staff, and housing.

1990 PVI was founded. This technology evolved from the smart bombs of the Persian Gulf War.

[apollo_gnomon]

Thermite is one of the elements that would produce that amount of heat for that long.

Thermite burns very very quickly. The fuel and oxygen are intermixed to create rapid combustion. Thermite expends it's heat quickly, and then it's done. There's nothing left. Something else was burning. We've discussed this before. Drywall, made of Gypsum (CaSO4·2H2O) is a source of both oxygen and sulfur once the chemically-bound water molecules have cooked off. The water provides some amount of fire resistance in the short term, but in long-term reduction-environment (oxygen starved) fires the gypsum's oxygen can sustain the fire and the sulfur corrodes metals. Landfill fires are one area where this happens
"The volatiles are either incompletely combusted into other species for example carbon monoxide, dioxin from PVC, hydrogen sulfide from gypsum drywall board, or re-deposited on the surface of cold wastes lying in front of the advancing temperature front. Once devolatalization is complete the remaining fuel, in the form of fixed carbon (visualize this as the charred wick on a candle after it is blown out) can remain hot, under starved oxygen conditions, for years. Mattresses and children’s toys are designed to smolder in a fire and for this reason some operators now refuse to accept them."


http://www.waste-management-world.com/index/display/article-display/3111412016/articles/waste-management-world/volume-11/Issue-4/Features/Understanding-landfill-fires.html

Also the report of molten metals in the basment of building 6. So that's a lot of heat produced to be in the basements and debris of buildings 1,2,6, and 7.

How much heat? The IR photos you linked to in another thread were clearly labeled 800degrees F, far below the melting point of iron.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-temperature-metals-d_860.html

But if the surface temperature is lower than the core temperature of the pyrolysis/buried fire zones, even steel could be heated to incandescent temperatures, far below the melting points.
http://www.threeplanes.net/toolsteel.html

[stannrodd]

The 767 tanker was not in production untill after 2001 and then went to foreign countries.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_KC-767
The Boeing KC-767 is a military aerial refueling and strategic transport aircraft developed from the Boeing 767-200ER. The tanker received the designation KC-767A in 2002[1] after being selected by the US Air Force initially to replace older KC-135Es.[2] In December 2003, the contract was frozen and later canceled due to corruption allegations.

The tanker is currently being developed for use by the Italian and Japanese air forces, who have ordered four tankers each.[3] Financing of the development of the aircraft, over $1 billion, has been borne by Boeing, in that it hoped to get major orders from the U.S. Air Force.[4]

OK that's what I have found too Ultima.

Nevertheless ... even though there are some who like to push the tanker variant, there were still freighters I presume .. or even empty passenger jets which could easily have been loaded with fuel in the cabins and still result in the fuel/air explosion which was seen.

Not beyond the realms of possibility. Unlike "no planes" which is patently ridiculous.

Stann

[cinder_darkskys]

Thermite burns very very quickly. The fuel and oxygen are intermixed to create rapid combustion. Thermite expends it's heat quickly, and then it's done. There's nothing left. Something else was burning. We've discussed this before. Drywall, made of Gypsum (CaSO4·2H2O) is a source of both oxygen and sulfur once the chemically-bound water molecules have cooked off. The water provides some amount of fire resistance in the short term, but in long-term reduction-environment (oxygen starved) fires the gypsum's oxygen can sustain the fire and the sulfur corrodes metals. Landfill fires are one area where this happens
"The volatiles are either incompletely combusted into other species for example carbon monoxide, dioxin from PVC, hydrogen sulfide from gypsum drywall board, or re-deposited on the surface of cold wastes lying in front of the advancing temperature front. Once devolatalization is complete the remaining fuel, in the form of fixed carbon (visualize this as the charred wick on a candle after it is blown out) can remain hot, under starved oxygen conditions, for years. Mattresses and children’s toys are designed to smolder in a fire and for this reason some operators now refuse to accept them."


http://www.waste-management-world.com/index/display/article-display/3111412016/articles/waste-management-world/volume-11/Issue-4/Features/Understanding-landfill-fires.html



How much heat? The IR photos you linked to in another thread were clearly labeled 800degrees F, far below the melting point of iron.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-temperature-metals-d_860.html

But if the surface temperature is lower than the core temperature of the pyrolysis/buried fire zones, even steel could be heated to incandescent temperatures, far below the melting points.
http://www.threeplanes.net/toolsteel.html

I think there different levels of fire threat here. chemical fire in land fills are a big build up of gas's over time, under pressurized, we can extract as part of a a recycling system if I'm not mistaken, some place do. Pete-mos can burn the same way, over years with out air

I'm not sure of the bottom fire temperature, I say 6,000 degrees, because that what I recall. these reports are all archived. You can be just looked up, from many news and media groups.

the list of elements show tungsten as element, used in harden steel welding, used in building ships and cars to day constructions.

Very cool do you recall what the last group said about the basement fire prolonged burn reaction was about, or did that remain inconclusive. and did they decide where that fire started 1st.

what gets me is once that building hits the ground, people move in save lives.
putting out any fires should be a quick job, fire need air normally. unless there something feeding the fire, or something cause a prolong reaction.

I was wonder about that, trumite is talked about and how it burn, very fast, it can archive that heat but cant hold it.

This probably means nothing, I just found it interesting...

http://www.911conspiracy.tv/images/2nd-hit/2nd-hit_Cotsifas_Anthony_hiny-6588.jpg

http://jfklancer.com/photos/DPlaza/umbrella.jpg
(JFK Umbrella man)


Resident evil. Umbrella corp turns people into zombies, all as a test for the best. Hmm.

Someone before mentioned how there's no blur. Well, I can see slight blurs.

funny thing about little nothings, they always seem to add up to something.

Its not always what you see my friend, it what your mind see's. this not the same as what the eye see's like.

in fact we only see a small part of the visitable spectrum. in fact we see right in the center. so any thing from left to right we are blind in.

for me, its what people don't see.

To get hi res imagery. this will be imagery above the 1600 pixel range, type your key word get images up. and the put high res or hi res or the full word high resolution.

I like to work around 3000 to 4000 pixel range, however any thing above 1600 pixel is not bad. I can retrieve data from as small as 600 pixels, but these are what i call basic code levels, or prime glyphs.

I pulled both images
http://4ywq2q.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pZH5UbhbX-LWYkEs8FcvQfASnPNP4K8S1Ky533_n5cJbM05lxjIiHbTcDddM j1D23hfd6hiYxqsnNFEc0IgGs0nYBjKeP5Eu2/they%20live-b01c-001fn.jpg?psid=1
Skys

Ps U got's watch them Zombie man they move slow and all, but they is sneaky, Kerhs

[ultima1]

Thermite burns very very quickly.

Well have you taken into account a thermite bomb or a fuel-air thermite device?

Have you taken into account that the thermite would feed off of other fuel sources?

Have you also taken into account that the heat fromthe thermite would have started other materials to burn and generate heat like molton aluminum, and the hazardous material from the plane?

How much heat? The IR photos you linked to in another thread were clearly labeled 800degrees F, far below the melting point of iron.

A video has a fire chief stating that the heat was at least 1500 degrees after 6 weeks.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[ultima1]

Not beyond the realms of possibility. Unlike "no planes" which is patently ridiculous.

Well if you look at the fact that the EPA stated that the radiation from the crash sites was caused by depleted uranium from the planes.

Problem is Boieng stopped using DU as counterweights in the 747's. The older planes like the 747 cargop version carried lots of DU for counterweights.

The newer planes like the 757 and 767 do not use DU as counterweights, they use Tungsten.

So either the EPA was just thinking that the 757 and 767 was carrying DU like ther older planes or thier was DU planted on the plane.

[cinder_darkskys]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxVTIJEWBy4&NR=1CBS News prez warned in 2000 about fake plane crash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuYe4kZUwLo&feature=related
TV Fakery test runs minutes before live 2nd WTC hit?

http://www.pvi.tv/pvi/

PVI Virtual Media Services

InVU
A proprietary vision-based method we pioneered in 2002, InVU is like a computer with literally hundreds of eyes, each focused on a unique part of a video image. These eyes extract the “metadata” or Digital DNA of the scene, allowing us to insert virtually anything into the image in real time. Opening up new revenue streams for both the advertiser and broadcaster.

http://www.pvi.tv/pvi/about-us

Click on demo. Can you tell which video has been inserted into each video scene? My favorite is the wiggly truck inserted in the the 2nd video scene. Downlines and logos on football fields are generated from the LVIS computer. A virtual wireframe is generated by plotting 3 parallel lines & 2 perpendicular lines on a camera shot. Easy enough to do with verticle WTC buildings.

PVI computer (LVIS) generated plane icon inserted in the camera shot to make the 2nd odd looking plane cutout move toward the WTC towers.

And unlike sensor-based “virtual” systems, InVU does not require wires connected to the camera or lenses that are altered or modified. And since we don’t need to be physically tied to the actual broadcast, we can insert the virtual images downstream, away from the program location – eliminating the added expense of on-site trucks, staff, and housing.

1990 PVI was founded. This technology evolved from the smart bombs of the Persian Gulf War.

http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pxuVyFqS33a82akQyMhOuxjkeXs-cPZF4po7ILnPXpcNTMMOCG6cEAoPmivz9Ieh1JsZsqxzwtItwf RhSIk_kdQ/bsg2-callie%20-n-jammer-001bb.jpg?psid=1
we make a choice one day.

I watch both vids, I remember that chopper, flying by, I think it was news team, looking to see if there people on the roofs. People are pretty much trying to help as much as possible, after they watched 2 planes just hit the trade center

later after the crash, they did make cgi video later came 3d.
when people were talked to at a street level, they point to where they saw the planes fly in and hit the buildings. eye witness saying we saw planes hit.

They when back to work after the interview. common people that have no reason to lie about what they saw.

Video game techno made this possible, for 1 mad man to strike, using pawns.

The bottom line is who making money here, the guy on the street that off to work pointing at the sky say air plane hit building big bang much life lose, or the guy who's trying to make a buck off the piles of bodies 3,000 bodies.

Me I think there more then meets the eye here. people are confused, about the event. they know there something wrong with it. The mind locks on to something, the eye can't figger out. so the mind make a mental leap. pointing its at things that, could be trouble. like these video.

I relate to the sub mind try to to the higher mind to look at this, this may not be right, but what still wrong with this.

you kind of have to think like the man who planed this. he is highly educated.

take these video, notice the 1st hit. its not center of the building.

if this was done by the US of A, they could drop that building, per name number of death in the event and get it right.

see that 1st hit. that a cut , when a tree faller cut down a tree, he picked which way he wants that tree to fall. the hit was design to cause whats called a domino effect. poor army tactics and the man hits 2 from across the world with little more then pawns.

Now your the guy hold that button to bring that building down, with as little lost of live as possible. every second you hold off. that build going slide over and KILL 50,000 or 75,000 people. oh now there 2.
http://n67loq.blu.livefilestore.com/y1psaOCBHrHAKHQZBY8c_cUBsqkrpTxfMzxknz5WDYrvGvIC_p T9dTid-NAZf2lO0kL43QIB40qoIQE8xvdgfqRLE5rZYp8ilAl/bsg2-callie%20-n-jammer%20airlock-001bb.jpg?psid=1 We still have to pay for those choices. right or wrong.

By the time you read this post, that building could fell. What you do.

Skys
there is no choice
3000- OR 50,000 that frackers coming down i don't care if my moms in there.

So the lesson is tall buildings may have a self destruction systems, to prevent the domino effect form happening, more likely in larger citys. Oh and we did not know about it...

[ultima1]

later after the crash, they did make cgi video later came 3d. .

Please show this CGI video and source.

[cinder_darkskys]

Please show this CGI video and source.

Documentary use them all the time none look real at all

07august made the post and he he/she provide addies < links ) which i when over

good post 07august :D

[shocker]

.. oh i got more. how does one of the planes sticking out of the building after it hit sound to you.. you want to make a liar out of me with this one.. dont mess with me the next one WILL shut your mouths im saving it for you

12 pages into this thread and still no picture.

12 pages into this thread and you haven't shut anyones mouth.

[ultima1]

07august made the post and he he/she provide addies < links ) which i when over

Please show me the video and sources.

[cinder_darkskys]

Please show me the video and sources.

np ultima1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxVTIJEWBy4&NR=1CBS News prez warned in 2000 about fake plane crash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuYe4kZUwLo&feature=related
TV Fakery test runs minutes before live 2nd WTC hit?

http://www.pvi.tv/pvi/

PVI Virtual Media Services

InVU
A proprietary vision-based method we pioneered in 2002, InVU is like a computer with literally hundreds of eyes, each focused on a unique part of a video image. These eyes extract the “metadata” or Digital DNA of the scene, allowing us to insert virtually anything into the image in real time. Opening up new revenue streams for both the advertiser and broadcaster.

http://www.pvi.tv/pvi/about-us

Click on demo. Can you tell which video has been inserted into each video scene? My favorite is the wiggly truck inserted in the the 2nd video scene. Downlines and logos on football fields are generated from the LVIS computer. A virtual wireframe is generated by plotting 3 parallel lines & 2 perpendicular lines on a camera shot. Easy enough to do with verticle WTC buildings.

PVI computer (LVIS) generated plane icon inserted in the camera shot to make the 2nd odd looking plane cutout move toward the WTC towers.

And unlike sensor-based “virtual” systems, InVU does not require wires connected to the camera or lenses that are altered or modified. And since we don’t need to be physically tied to the actual broadcast, we can insert the virtual images downstream, away from the program location – eliminating the added expense of on-site trucks, staff, and housing.

1990 PVI was founded. This technology evolved from the smart bombs of the Persian Gulf War.

in the video he think it might be a form of vr system

unlike sensor-based “virtual” systems, InVU does not require wires connected to the camera or lenses that are altered or modified. And since we don’t need to be physically tied to the actual broadcast, we can insert the virtual images downstream, away from the program location – eliminating the added expense of on-site trucks, staff, and housing. or a CGI based simulation.

and he shows Co = companies. who are working on or might have been able to produce such a video

In an early post i explain frame rates, and kind how they ran in that time of 911. the blotch is the resolution. but the jumping is all frame rate, and well Steve, see it that poor transition of the frame rate.

so what he's saying is the chopper seem to run clearly moving slower throw the shot, which right it should move nicely throw the shot. but the jet is moving many x's faster then the chopper, so the shot seems to jump with the jet. again this normal.

I have a lot CGI video, none look real, but all look really cool.

and a CGI is digital means it runs like a clock and soft ware. it was imposable to fake the smoke. the techno wizardry was not existent back then. in them day just finding a good 3d build system was very hard, I hack my 1st copy of 3d max to get copy, my second was given to me, from a friend of a friend in the computer sale industry, he knew what i was into and wanted to help. I just did not have that kind of money to put out on that software. now a to day you get a starter 3d system for under 100 bucks, back them it was like by'ing a new Os. 100's of dolors. just going back 20 years from that, we see Star Trek. when they added just 1 Plazer shot, just 1, it cost 6,000 dollars.

[ultima1]

np ultima1

editing

Still Waiting,,,,

[apollo_gnomon]

How about commenting on post #106 while you're waiting?

[ultima1]

How about commenting on post #106 while you're waiting?

Already done. See post #109.

Thermite burns very very quickly.

Well have you taken into account a thermite bomb or a fuel-air thermite device?

Have you taken into account that the thermite would feed off of other fuel sources?

Have you also taken into account that the heat fromthe thermite would have started other materials to burn and generate heat like molton aluminum, and the hazardous material from the plane?

How much heat? The IR photos you linked to in another thread were clearly labeled 800degrees F, far below the melting point of iron.

A video has a fire chief stating that the heat was at least 1500 degrees after 6 weeks.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[ultima1]

in the video he think it might be a form of vr system.

I see theories and opinions, no real, verifiable evidence from experts.

[cinder_darkskys]

Still Waiting,,,,

Are you on some kind of med's bro. I reply more then once. thats enough for me ty very much

Look up the Tv Doc's your self.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrCVew-dQC8

I'm not sure of the date on this ultima1.

You have UTUBE. You find old TY shows with all kinds of CGI. non of it looks real sorry

This line is for the people that cause this.
this easy stuff, you know these mass murders are not brains you know, in fact most are straight up in-bread tards.

As a straight up fact I would love to cut off the heads of any who betrayed Islam, I see them at every protest.
every time a terror attack happens, each of those people should be beheaded, as traders to Islam

As a side note i don't play fav's, same gos for the other side If bush send CHILDREN to die for his war, I behead him to, not before thanking him.

Love Skys

[stannrodd]

http://4ywq2q.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pZH5UbhbX-LWYkEs8FcvQfASnPNP4K8S1Ky533_n5cJbM05lxjIiHbTcDddM j1D23hfd6hiYxqsnNFEc0IgGs0nYBjKeP5Eu2/they%20live-b01c-001fn.jpg?psid=1

HEY IT"S KOOSER !!! THE LOSER !!

[stannrodd]

Well if you look at the fact that the EPA stated that the radiation from the crash sites was caused by depleted uranium from the planes.

Problem is Boieng stopped using DU as counterweights in the 747's. The older planes like the 747 cargop version carried lots of DU for counterweights.

The newer planes like the 757 and 767 do not use DU as counterweights, they use Tungsten.

So either the EPA was just thinking that the 757 and 767 was carrying DU like ther older planes or thier was DU planted on the plane.

Well this is what they say Regarding DU .. but a heavy lifter like a cargo/freighter may well have them, even if Boeing didn't package DU into 767's by default on the production line, again it's not entirely impossible that there were DU counterweights in the planes which impacted the towers. Send your plane to somewhere and get a higher performance for cheaper than Tungsten .. who knows what goes on in the aircraft sub-industries. Just like the grease monkeys who service auto's.

Pure unadulterated speculation I know .. BUT .. if DU was found at GZ where did it come from.

Stann

[ultima1]

Pure unadulterated speculation I know .. BUT .. if DU was found at GZ where did it come from.

Well thats the big question. Why we need a proper investigation.

One of the reasone Boeing stopped using DU as counterwieghts is that thier was a crash of a 747 that had a fire and their was some radiation in a populated area caused by the burning DU.

[apollo_gnomon]

Well have you taken into account a thermite bomb or a fuel-air thermite device?

Why would I take into account shit you're making up as you go? WTF is a "thermite bomb?" WTF is a "fuel-air thermite device?"

The fuel-air explosion, sure, there was 10k gallons of jet fuel thoroughly dispersed by impact with a sky scraper. Note the massive fireball flowing through the building and exiting the downrange side about 2 seconds after impact. Set a lot of interior on fire, too -- smoke was still pouring out of the towers when they collapsed.

There's your primary ignition source for the lingering fire in the rubble pile - the initial fire. Secondary source, you have all of the electrical systems shorting out, and third the kinetic energy of the collapse itself.


Have you taken into account that the thermite would feed off of other fuel sources?

Who needs thermite? There are other fuel sources! All kinds of shit was flammable!

Give up the thermite - it's dumb. Thermite wouldn't work to cut down the building anyway, and all of the supposed "residue" comes from the chemical mix of slow-cooked drywall and structural steel.

Have you also taken into account that the heat fromthe thermite would have started other materials to burn and generate heat like molton aluminum, and the hazardous material from the plane?

This is daft. You're chasing your own tail trying to find thermite by using thermite to start the fire! The fucking building was burning!


A video has a fire chief stating that the heat was at least 1500 degrees after 6 weeks.

So what? That doesn't prove anything.

1500 degrees is hot enough to melt aluminum or magnesium, but half what's needed to melt iron.

[ultima1]

Why would I take into account shit you're making up as you go? WTF is a "thermite bomb?" WTF is a "fuel-air thermite device?"

As always, so fiun and easy to prove you wrong with facts.

http://www.textfiles.com/humor/thermite.ana
THERMITE BOMB: Thermite can be made to explode by taking the cast thermiteformula and substituting fine powdered aluminum for the coarse/fine mix.


THERMITE FUEL-AIR EXPLOSION: This is a very dangerous device. Ask yourselfif you really truly want to make it before you do any work on it.
It is next to impossible to give any dimensions of containers or weights
of charges because of the availability of parts changes from one person to
the next. However here is a general description of this device affectionately
known as a HELLHOUND.

So what? That doesn't prove anything.

1500 degrees is hot enough to melt aluminum or magnesium, but half what's needed to melt iron.


Thanks for agreeing that the temps were hot enough to keep metals molten as posted.

[apollo_gnomon]

As always, so fiun and easy to prove you wrong with facts.

http://www.textfiles.com/humor/thermite.ana
THERMITE BOMB: Thermite can be made to explode by taking the cast thermiteformula and substituting fine powdered aluminum for the coarse/fine mix.


THERMITE FUEL-AIR EXPLOSION: This is a very dangerous device. Ask yourselfif you really truly want to make it before you do any work on it.
It is next to impossible to give any dimensions of containers or weights
of charges because of the availability of parts changes from one person to
the next. However here is a general description of this device affectionately
known as a HELLHOUND.

Seriously?

You make dumb ass assertions, then google when challenged and just go with the second hit?

Seriously?

Do you really consider a random txt file written by "primo pyro" and archived under "humor" to be an authoritative source?

Given the quality of your "fiun and easy" "proof" I think we can put the "thermite bomb" back on the "imaginary bullshit ultima pulled out his ass" shelf.

Seriously!


Thanks for agreeing that the temps were hot enough to keep metals molten as posted.

Uh, no. The frequent assertion is that there were "pools of molten steel" and the fire was "hot enough to melt steel." If the surface temps were recorded at 800F a deep temperature of twice that is quite reasonable.

I'm not disagreeing that aluminum could have melted. I'm disagreeing with your insane gibbering that somehow thermite could have kept the fire hot for weeks, and disagreeing that the heat is somehow proof of thermite.

[ultima1]

Given the quality of your "fiun and easy" "proof" I think we can put the "thermite bomb" back on the "imaginary bullshit ultima pulled out his ass" shelf.

Can you post proof that there is no such thing as a thermite bomb or thermite fuel-air device?

I will be waiting for it.

[ultima1]

While apollo_gnomon trys to find some facts to debate the thermite bomb,

Lets look at some other facts about thermite bombs that will be ignored by the more immature among us.

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/battleships-forum/55950-what-would-hiryu-sakuradan-3-ton-thermite-do-battleship.html
Special attack version equipped with one thermite bomb of 2,900 kg (6,400 lb) in the fuselage behind the crew cabin. The shape of the bomb conducted the blast forward, projecting a jet capable of reaching nearly a mile with a maximum blast radius of 300 m (980 ft). The bomb was designed to breach emplacements as well as to destroy massed formations of armor

During these trials it was ascertained that the fierce flame generated by the weapon projected some 3,280 ft ahead of the point of detonation and at a distance of 985 ft from impact a medium tank could be totally destroyed.

[07august]

Well thats the big question. Why we need a proper investigation.

Mark Basile from the documentary, "9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts speak out." Basile was the first scientist to find thermite in the World Trade Center dust. Thermite is a pyrotechnic compound of a metal powder and a metal oxide. He describes his process of discovery and talks about why thermite had no business being in that dust...

Video: http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/page/647.html

9/11: EXPLOSIVE TESTIMONY EXCLUSIVE - AE911Truth.org - Mark Basile Chemical Engineer - YouTube

[apollo_gnomon]

While apollo_gnomon trys to find some facts to debate the thermite bomb,

Lets look at some other facts about thermite bombs that will be ignored by the more immature among us.

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/battleships-forum/55950-what-would-hiryu-sakuradan-3-ton-thermite-do-battleship.html
Special attack version equipped with one thermite bomb of 2,900 kg (6,400 lb) in the fuselage behind the crew cabin. The shape of the bomb conducted the blast forward, projecting a jet capable of reaching nearly a mile with a maximum blast radius of 300 m (980 ft). The bomb was designed to breach emplacements as well as to destroy massed formations of armor

During these trials it was ascertained that the fierce flame generated by the weapon projected some 3,280 ft ahead of the point of detonation and at a distance of 985 ft from impact a medium tank could be totally destroyed.


So what?

Ignoring that you're referencing a 3-ton incendiary weapon (hard to smuggle into the WTC via elevator, and expensive to be checked baggage aboard a passenger jet) how would a thermite bomb, or nanothermite pixie dust, or any other form of thermite create a long-term thermal signature that couldn't be explained by ordinary fire, or fire combined with pyrolytic, galvanic and other chemical reactions in the well-mixed rubble pile?

[ellis_deatrip]

Samples of materials are allegedly from the WTC?
Supposing it can be somehow proven that the sample is legit, How do they know the material by products of thermite; barrium , sulfur, etc. Didn't come from other sources? Materials in computers and office equipment?
Thermate or oxygen cutters could have been used to cut up steel at Ground Zero.:confused:

[ultima1]

So what?

Thanks for showing you cannot post evdience to dabate the fact of a thermite bomb and fuel air device.

Also that you keep ignoring facts shown.

or any other form of thermite create a long-term thermal signature that couldn't be explained by ordinary fire, or fire combined with pyrolytic, galvanic and other chemical reactions in the well-mixed rubble pile?

Ordinary fire would not keep the molten metal in all the basements and debris for up to 6 weeks. Specially since it would be oxygen starved under tons of debris.

If you do not belive thermite was involved, lease explaine what caused the molten metals in the basements of the buildings and the debris pile for up to 6weeks.

I will be waiting for your explaination.

[apollo_gnomon]

If you do not belive thermite was involved, lease explaine what caused the molten metals in the basements of the buildings and the debris pile for up to 6weeks.

I will be waiting for your explaination.

How the hell would thermite keep something hot for 6 weeks? That's what I don't think you understand - thermite isn't magic, it's just combustion, and when it's done ITS DONE!! Even if thermite were used (unproven) at any stage of the (unproven)demolition of WTC, WHY WOULD IT STILL BE BURNING 6 WEEKS LATER??

[ultima1]

How the hell would thermite keep something hot for 6 weeks?

So i see you cannot debate the fact of a thermite bomb or fuel air device, thanks for conceding to that.

So explain what would,, as i have asked before.

If your next post does not have another explaination then the thermite evidence stands.

[cinder_darkskys]

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