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stelios
26-10-2007, 07:12 AM
Death by Veganism


New York Times; May 21 2007
By NINA PLANCK


WHEN Crown Shakur died of starvation, he was 6 weeks old and weighed 3.5 pounds. His vegan parents, who fed him mainly soy milk and apple juice, were convicted in Atlanta recently of murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty.
This particular calamity — at least the third such conviction of vegan parents in four years — may be largely due to ignorance. But it should prompt frank discussion about nutrition.

I was once a vegan. But well before I became pregnant, I concluded that a vegan pregnancy was irresponsible. You cannot create and nourish a robust baby merely on foods from plants.

Indigenous cuisines offer clues about what humans, naturally omnivorous, need to survive, reproduce and grow: traditional vegetarian diets, as in India, invariably include dairy and eggs for complete protein, essential fats and vitamins. There are no vegan societies for a simple reason: a vegan diet is not adequate in the long run.

Protein deficiency is one danger of a vegan diet for babies. Nutritionists used to speak of proteins as “first class” (from meat, fish, eggs and milk) and “second class” (from plants), but today this is considered denigrating to vegetarians.

The fact remains, though, that humans prefer animal proteins and fats to cereals and tubers, because they contain all the essential amino acids needed for life in the right ratio. This is not true of plant proteins, which are inferior in quantity and quality — even soy.

A vegan diet may lack vitamin B12, found only in animal foods; usable vitamins A and D, found in meat, fish, eggs and butter; and necessary minerals like calcium and zinc. When babies are deprived of all these nutrients, they will suffer from retarded growth, rickets and nerve damage.

Responsible vegan parents know that breast milk is ideal. It contains many necessary components, including cholesterol (which babies use to make nerve cells) and countless immune and growth factors. When breastfeeding isn’t possible, soy milk and fruit juice, even in seemingly sufficient quantities, are not safe substitutes for a quality infant formula.

Yet even a breast-fed baby is at risk. Studies show that vegan breast milk lacks enough docosahexaenoic acid, or DHA, the omega-3 fat found in fatty fish. It is difficult to overstate the importance of DHA, vital as it is for eye and brain development.

A vegan diet is equally dangerous for weaned babies and toddlers, who need plenty of protein and calcium. Too often, vegans turn to soy, which actually inhibits growth and reduces absorption of protein and minerals. That’s why health officials in Britain, Canada and other countries express caution about soy for babies. (Not here, though — perhaps because our farm policy is so soy-friendly.)

Historically, diet honored tradition: we ate the foods that our mothers, and their mothers, ate. Now, your neighbor or sibling may be a meat-eater or vegetarian, may ferment his foods or eat them raw. This fragmentation of the American menu reflects admirable diversity and tolerance, but food is more important than fashion. Though it’s not politically correct to say so, all diets are not created equal.

An adult who was well-nourished in utero and in infancy may choose to get by on a vegan diet, but babies are built from protein, calcium, cholesterol and fish oil. Children fed only plants will not get the precious things they need to live and grow.

Ratiocinator
27-10-2007, 04:37 AM
This is a podcast made by Vegan.com in response to that ridiculous, BS article by that fool, Nina Planck:

http://www.vegan.com/diner/2007/diner-2007-05-21.mp3

There are more recent podcasts that include information on this story. Find the list through the following link (use the word-finding function of your browser and search for "nina" or "planck"):

http://www.podcastdirectory.com/podcasts/index.php?iid=10032

octopusrex
01-11-2007, 06:15 AM
Rubbish. I say this post is rubbish.

starchildtesla
01-11-2007, 08:41 AM
I think Veganism has been made more popular as a false flag type attack on vegetarians and the hippie movement etc etc, against spirituallity ,


Veganism was started in the west its different from Vegeterianism as they cant drink milk and cheese and eggs.While vegeterians can because it not harming animals its good karma to drink milk etc.

mariag
01-11-2007, 09:34 AM
Of course you can give your children and infants food from plants. That was the most absurd article I have ever read. I know many parents that feed their kids vegetarian or vegan meal and they all are very healthy.

1 2 free
01-11-2007, 11:46 AM
The article is complete nonesense. For starters the baby didn't die because it was fed a vegan diet. It died "because he was not fed. Period." That's not according to the defense. That's according to the prosecution.

“No matter how many times they want to say, ‘We’re vegans, we’re vegetarians,’ that’s not the issue in this case,” said prosecutor Chuck Boring. “The child died because he was not fed. Period.” [source (http://ori.msnbc.msn.com/id/18574603/)]

Her claim that 'vegan pregnancy was irresponsible. You cannot create and nourish a robust baby merely on foods from plants' is equally nonsense.

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/pregnancy.htm

Her claim that 'there are no vegan societies for a simple reason: a vegan diet is not adequate in the long run' is yet more nonesense.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/life/2005/01/07/stories/2005010700080200.htm

If you go through the article and check up on her claims you'll find pretty much everything she says is either an error or a lie. It's just that old routine of the mainstream media attacking people who do things differently and using the death of this poor child as the excuse.

smariot
01-11-2007, 01:52 PM
I wonder why horses aren't protein deficient. All that grass just doesn't seem to cut it, and I can't imagine they're eating nearly enough eggs.

About the only thing I agree with is the lack of B12 causing nerve damage. But then, the only reason it is in animals is because of the food they eat. Or rather the bacteria on the food they eat.

Of course we use pesticides on our food which of course means we have to wash it which of course means no bacteria. But making another animal eat it for us and then eating that animal of course makes perfect sense.

But seriously, I believe we have a symbiotic relationship with bacteria, that the vast majority is harmless to us, and that in trying to keep the world clean and sterile, we greatly increase the risk of illness. But then that might be just the crazy ramblings of a dirty old man that is about to die of some horrible disease at any moment.

And just to stay on topic, human babies should be drinking human breast milk. Even the vegan ones.

gaias child
04-11-2007, 09:28 PM
I remember a similar story of a baby who had supposedly died of veganism several years ago and the parents were jailed for abuse, but later on it was discovered upon investigation that the child had a congenital abnormality that probably was related to the death,not veganism.

A baby also really needs breast milk, from a healthy mother vegan or not, not soya milk unless fortified although it is doubtful that soya milk would kill a baby unless there was something wrong with the chlld

smariot
05-11-2007, 07:27 PM
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/smariot/not4infants.jpg

That was vanilla flavored rice milk. I thought there was a similar warning on my soy milk, but it seems I was wrong. It was probably a different brand that had the warning.

misscpb
06-11-2007, 01:02 AM
Hello Everyone

When you look at some of the largest and majestic animals on the planet e.g elephant and giraffe who can weight around 3,000 all from living as herbivores it is amazing.

No other animal lives on dairy food/milk for life, it is only given to allow the animals baby to grow up. I think humans are the only species to continually feed on another animals milk throughout life in the form of dairy foods.