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Anders Lindman
26-07-2010, 07:26 AM
If consciousness is the 'ground of being' as Amit Goswami calls it, or 'the Infinite' as David Icke sometimes calls it, then isn't death an illusion?
I believe death could be an illusion. Then what about people who have died? Those deaths are real, BUT it's STILL consciousness that is the real reality, and physical reality, including our bodies, is 'just' a very advanced projection made by consciousness. The projection is not an illusion. Our bodies and the world around us are real. Yet the material stuff is not the fundamental reality.
And I also believe that people who believe that they will age and die will do so because they believe in an ILLUSION!!! Get it? If you firmly believe, deep down into a subconscious level, that you will age and die, you WILL age and die. If, on the other hand, you can see through the illusion of aging and death, you can reverse your aging and avoid dying (at least for as long as you want), because the truth is that consciousness is indestructible and VERY powerful.
That's what I believe. :cool:
gushen
26-07-2010, 10:12 AM
I completely agree.
The fact is that there is no reality / existence that is not also an illusion. Illusion and reality walk hand in hand. It's all about belief; it is all about consciousness interacting with itself subjectively as someone would do with their image on the mirror. The mirror image will always be an illusive projection, not the real thing.
Death is the biggest illusion there is. Behind death there is only change... What people fear is change. People spend their entire lives running away from change, trying to reach some form of static and comfortable reality that will last forever... As a consequence they forget to live, because you are not living when you aren't changing all the time. Death should be the final change, the final sacrifice that you have prepared all your life for. But most people are the living dead: they fear death, and thus they end up living in fear, which is the same as not living at all.
Change is the only constant in the universe. There is no death; there is only consciousness transitioning from one state to another. Waking up from a dream only to find itself in another dream, and so on ad infinitum.
Regarding aging...
Aging is not some infinitely powerful force that no human can escape. Aging is simply a matter of energy maintenance. If you waste more energy than you cultivate, you end with a growing deficit that kills you slowly. For most people, when they realize the effects of such imbalance, it's already too late.
It is just that most humans don't have the slightest understanding of energetics. To control and cultivate your energy in the metaphysical sense (vibration) requires a lot of discipline that exceeds common-sense knowledge of life. You have to start questioning some of the greatest taboos out there: do we really have to eat? do we really need sex? etc.
People waste too much energy with sex, food, vices, and they also like being prey of energy vampires. What happens is that their DNA takes over their lives and triggers the aging process. I remember reading something about how most humans are little more than DNA "containers" that exist solely for DNA maintenance. They aren't really self-conscious and so they simply follow everything that DNA / Nature has in store for them. They are little more than programs as opposed to programmers.
For these people, sex, food, sleep, aging and cia are all sacred "natural" processes that apply to every one without question. Whoever doubts this must be insane.
The idea is that once you reach the peak of your biological evolution, you have to start your spiritual evolution as soon as possible to overcome and override DNA programming of "aging" and other similar commands that extract life and energy from you, otherwise you begin going down a path of slow physical degeneration.
asleepawake
26-07-2010, 10:36 AM
When you are that spiritually aware, your ego won't yearn to want to survive for as long as it can in this life. Spritual awareness can be seen as preparing yourself for where you are spritually travelling next.
It knows that death isn't really death, so the issue is not an issue anymore.
The soul and our consciousness can not die.
You simply change the form....thats what I believe. :)
Anders Lindman
26-07-2010, 11:20 AM
I want to take the opportunity to stress the point that I believe it's possible to extend the human life indefinitely. Some people may long for other realms, but as I see it, those other realms are a part of this same reality! So in theory at least I think, we don't need to die in order to reach some 'higher realms' or something like that. It's already available to us here and now when we learn how to access more of our consciousness.
One hardcore materialist I really admire is Ray Kurzweil. I may not agree with all his ideas, but he really has nailed down the exponential progress of evolution. And he shows how even on the material level it's possible to achieve some marvelous stunts.
Transcendent Man Film Trailer - YouTube
Anders Lindman
26-07-2010, 08:03 PM
One huge obstacle is that almost everybody in the world today has the belief system of aging and death as inevitable. So it's a massive reprogramming of one's own mind that is needed to reverse that mind program. Can it be done? Yes it can, yes it can, yes it can! I think. :D
Anders Lindman
26-07-2010, 09:15 PM
How will you feel if you think this world is going to kill you? You will feel, horrible! Wouldn't you? Tremendous fear that leads to bitterness and confusion.
So I don't for a second believe people who say that they accept their own aging and death. They don't!!! Not on the deepest subconscious level.
It's therefore of utmost importance for us, if we want to become whole and sane, to reverse that horrible trend. To not buy the idea of inevitable aging and death anymore. To REFUSE to play along with a belief system that is nothing but like a guided missile towards death and destruction.
Anders Lindman
26-07-2010, 09:38 PM
We are connected to all other people in the world. The problem is that we all walk around with tremendous fear in us, so our connection with each other is very weak and confused. To make our connections to people stronger we need to lower our own level of fear. Then our connection to other people will become stronger and thereby increase our level of awareness/consciousness. And the false sense of total separation then starts to become healed. Until we ourselves and the world become One. Then the world is no longer a threat that can kill us.
size_of_light
26-07-2010, 10:03 PM
Holding your palm over a naked flame or having your crotch torn off by a rabid pitbull could be described as illusions too, but unless you have the depth of realisation within yourself to transcend the deranging pain those sorts of experiences would generate, then death wont be made any easier by intellectually deciding it's not real.
Anders Lindman
26-07-2010, 11:04 PM
Holding your palm over a naked flame or having your crotch torn off by a rabid pitbull could be described as illusions too, but unless you have the depth of realisation within yourself to transcend the deranging pain those sorts of experiences would generate, then death wont be made any easier by intellectually deciding it's not real.
Yes, fear certainly serves a purpose. It serves as a protection. Yet, it also locks our energy into a 'frozen' state to be used in the case of emergencies. So fear needs to be replaced with a smarter form of protection if we want to increase the energy available to us. One way of doing that is through understanding.
If I understand that putting my hand on a hot stove will burn it, then I will not do that. And then fear is not needed. I don't need to fear the hot stove when I understand it and have control over the situation.
That was just a simple example. It's more tricky with more complex situations. For example, how do I protect myself against financial problems in the future? That's a much less obvious case of how to remove fear. I believe it's possible to remove all fear! But it must be done in a complete and real way. The mind can so easily fool itself to believe it has removed some fear, while subconsciously, below the surface of the conscious mind, the fear is still there and larger than ever.
Anders Lindman
26-07-2010, 11:59 PM
Does fear attract that which we are afraid of? Maybe it does. I haven't really figured that out yet. It could be that our subconscious mind tries to replace the fear with understanding, because fear is like a low intelligence form of protection that wastes enormous amounts of energy. And in order to get an understanding, the fear needs to be approached! Or so the subconscious mind, which itself is a low-level kind of 'hard disk' kind of intelligence, thinks.
If so, it should be possible to short-circuit the subconscious mind's tendency to seek what it fears. Because that's not a very smart way of dealing with life, and there could exist a better way of managing things.
How? How to make the subconscious drop its attempts of attracting that which it fears? One trick would be to look at all fears as a whole entity. If we with conscious awareness look at all our fears at once, the subconscious mind cannot go in any particular direction, moving towards any particular fear. By holding our attention on all fears we reach a state of fearing to drop our fears. That could be a tricky situation to solve. I haven't found a technique for that yet.
Anders Lindman
27-07-2010, 12:14 AM
Oh, hold on a second. I think I know a technique for removing fear.
First focus your awareness of all your fears at once. Then hold your attention there and you will notice a large amount of confusion together with the fear. The fear and the confusion go together! And we cannot solve the confusion without reaching a higher level of consciousness. And we cannot reach a higher level of consciousness without removing fear. What we can do is to simply have our awareness focused on the fear and the confusion. That awareness is itself ALREADY above the fear and the confusion. And as we are aware OF our own fear and confusion we have tapped into a higher level of consciousness. So that's a kind of mindfulness practice that can be used.
Anders Lindman
27-07-2010, 12:44 AM
The above practice is kind of tedious and boring. The good thing is that it's based on solid rational reasoning.
A more fun approach that is of the speculative kind is to assume that advanced space aliens already have transcended fear and by contacting them telepathically we can get a tremendous speed-up boost in reaching higher consciousness. So the practice then becomes to transcend our fear of contacting them and the confusion about it. :D
whatistruth
27-07-2010, 04:42 AM
This makes no sense, we only age because we believe we're going to?
Babies have no conception of what aging is, yet they get older.
gushen
27-07-2010, 04:46 AM
This makes no sense, we only age because we believe we're going to?
Babies have no conception of what aging is, yet they get older.
babies don't get "older". they grow, they evolve.
people only begin to get older (degeneration / devolution) after they reach a peak in their biological evolution and fail to maintain it.
Sitting down wishing for things to work themselves out is not what OP meant here, I believe. If a belief is strong enough, it will also trigger actions from our part. I'm actually taking measures in my life to not grow "older". The difference is that I no longer have to believe in all this stuff , but I remember when it all started with a belief. That is, if the belief is constant and unfailing, it eventually develops into something greater, something that is based on evidence, and so it's no longer a belief; it is knowledge , certainty.
When you are that spiritually aware, your ego won't yearn to want to survive for as long as it can in this life. Spritual awareness can be seen as preparing yourself for where you are spritually travelling next.
It knows that death isn't really death, so the issue is not an issue anymore.
After having to confront my own death, and having to watch other people die, I think you'll change your mind about death when it's your turn, and it's you who's lying on his/her death-bed. Except for those who are born again in Jesus Christ, Who holds the keys to death and hell, and those who are heavily medicated when they're dying, death brings immense terror to the human spirit. Not mild anxiety, not mild fear, but sheer terror. You'll see, unless you turn to Christ in time, and repent of your sins, you'll see.
whatistruth
27-07-2010, 05:51 AM
After having to confront my own death, and having to watch other people die, I think you'll change your mind about death when it's your turn, and it's you who's lying on his/her death-bed. Except for those who are born again in Jesus Christ, Who holds the keys to death and hell, and those who are heavily medicated when they're dying, death brings immense terror to the human spirit. Not mild anxiety, not mild fear, but sheer terror. You'll see, unless you turn to Christ in time, and repent of your sins, you'll see.
I think you'd agree Jesus is far more moral and forgiving than you or I.
Now, on that basis, do you think he'd condemn people to an eternal hell just for not 'knowing' him, especially when most cultures in the world do not follow the christian gospel?
And after all, presumably he chooses where people are born?
Why does he make it so easy for some people to hear about him, yet impossible for about...half of the worlds population?
Do you know how many millions of people live on remote islands and in places in africa, central and south america who will live and die without any contact with the outside world, and therefor no knowledge of jesus?
How will you dodge this question. :rolleyes:
Anders Lindman
27-07-2010, 06:41 AM
This makes no sense, we only age because we believe we're going to?
Babies have no conception of what aging is, yet they get older.
The word 'belief' is perhaps a bit misleading. Animals age, yet they don't probably have beliefs in the ordinary sense.
I think biological aging in general is caused by stress. And animals in nature are in a constant stress of survival. We humans, like the animals, still have a lot of stress in us although for us it's about financial worries, relationship problems etc. And curiously, we even have stress because of the aging itself!
The stress, the harmful stress which is sometimes called negative stress, is caused by fear I think. So removal of fear leads to removal of stress which in turn leads to a reversal of the biological aging process.
And fear is because of beliefs! At least a kind of belief that is grounded deep in our subconscious.
Anders Lindman
27-07-2010, 06:57 AM
A potentially very powerful practice I just came to think of is to use feelings to choose between fear and peace. It's very easy to FEEL the difference between fear and peace. And it may be possible to make a choice directly on the level of feelings. To choose peace instead of fear. And bypass all the messy thinking related to fear.
This makes no sense, we only age because we believe we're going to?
Babies have no conception of what aging is, yet they get older.
Excellent point. That never even occurred to me.
I think you'd agree Jesus is far more moral and forgiving than you or I.
Now, on that basis, do you think he'd condemn people to an eternal hell just for not 'knowing' him, especially when most cultures in the world do not follow the christian gospel?
And after all, presumably he chooses where people are born?
Why does he make it so easy for some people to hear about him, yet impossible for about...half of the worlds population?
Do you know how many millions of people live on remote islands and in places in africa, central and south america who will live and die without any contact with the outside world, and therefor no knowledge of jesus?
How will you dodge this question. :rolleyes:
I had this identical debate with someone else. God said that the Gospel of Jesus Christ would be preached throughout the whole world, and then the end would come. I found, for this other person, video after video of Christians who are travelling to all of these remote places that you speak of - learning the natives' languages, and witnessing to tribesmen about Jesus Christ. Glory to Jesus Christ, tribes people everywhere are being born again and saved!
The question I have for you is why you're using these people as your excuse not to repent of your own sins? I mean, think about it. What will you say when God turns your own question around, and He asks it of you? Why did you refuse to repent when God's Word was so easily available to you? Meanwhile, these tribes people who lived in the most remote parts of the world repented when the good news was brought to them about Jesus Christ.
Yes, Jesus is forgiving. If you repent of your sins, and you ask Him to forgive you right now, He will. He will wash away all of your sins, as though they never happened. But if you're expecting to be forgiven, and still be able to continue living in sin, then you're not looking for His forgiveness. In that case, you're only looking for a free ride.
Yes, Jesus is absolutely moral. But if He were willing to turn a blind eye to sin, then He could no longer be called moral. We already have judges, cops, lawyers, politicians, all kinds of people in this world who already turn a blind eye to sin. And we don't think of it as moral - we call it corruption. Christ is the very embodiement of life, love, and truth - He's incapable of corruption, incapable of turning a blind eye to sin.
You're doing it again. Talking off the top of your head about things you know nothing about. By the day, there remains fewer and fewer places in the world where the people have not heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And when the last of God's children returns to Him, that will be it - the door will close in everyone's faces, and the end will come.
I'm telling you, if you keep this up it is going to destroy you.
whatistruth
28-07-2010, 03:19 AM
So what you're telling me is that everyone alive today has heard about Jesus?
That my friend is a patent fallacy and you know it, don't give me some nonsense about missionaries.
This is the part where I've clearly won the argument and you're faulty logic destroys your house of cards like a wrecking ball.
The funny part is you know this to be true, yet you still persist, missionaries, seriously?
Anders Lindman
28-07-2010, 03:22 AM
If death is an illusion, then why do people die? Here I think we need to avoid limiting the possibilities of reality. For SOME people, in fact most if not all people here on Earth, death has throughout history certainly NOT been an illusion, but a hard fact.
And even today, most people it seems still follow the ordinary path of aging and death. BUT, that doesn't mean that ALL people must follow that age-old and imo grim path, because that would be to limit the possibilities of reality.
I personally will choose another path than the ordinary aging and death process. :cool: If other people choose the old way, fine, that's none of my business.
Anders Lindman
28-07-2010, 03:57 AM
Then what about death in relation to religions? I believe all religions are true, but they deal with different aspects of the truth. Christianity shows how the human body of flesh must follow "nobody comes to the Father but through me". And Islam shows how the highest aspect of God, Allah, is the ultimate power of creation. Buddhism shows that the mind of God (not God as a deity, but God as Buddha-mind) is the awakened mind. Hinduism shows that no single one aspect of God can deal with everything but that God has many 'faces'/facets. And atheism shows that a belief in God is not needed. Agnosticism shows that it's possible to remain undecided. Mystical spiritual traditions show that it's possible to find unity with God within. Integral spirituality shows that it's possible to integrate all other religions and spiritual traditions into an inclusive system. And so on.
So what you're telling me is that everyone alive today has heard about Jesus?
That my friend is a patent fallacy and you know it, don't give me some nonsense about missionaries.
This is the part where I've clearly won the argument and you're faulty logic destroys your house of cards like a wrecking ball.
The funny part is you know this to be true, yet you still persist, missionaries, seriously?
No, I didn't say every person in the world has heard of Jesus Christ. What I did say is that the gap is getting smaller and smaller. See, this is what it's like trying to talk to you. You talk, and talk off the top of your head. You make all sorts of outlandish claims. And you verify nothing you say. You have absolutely no regard for truth, and facts. It's pointless even trying to talk with you. I give up.
Matthew 24:14
"And this Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."
Jesus Christ in the Jungles of the Congo, Africa, Pygmy Tribes
Bree Keyton with the help of The Prophecy Club takes the gospel to Pygmies - YouTube
Jesus Christ in Kenya, East Africa, West Pokot Tribe
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Jesus Christ is Afghanistan
The Real mission of US troops in Afghanistan - YouTube
Jesus Christ in China
FRONTLINE/World | Jesus in China | Sneak Peek | PBS - YouTube
Jesus Christ in Guyana
Guyana Gospel Music - "Serving Jesus" - YouTube
Jesus Christ in Barbados
"Praise Him" - Barbados Missions - YouTube
Jesus Christ in Angola
Advancing The Gospel in Angola - YouTube
Jesus Christ in Cambodia
ASAP Mission Cambodia 2009 - YouTube
Jesus Christ in Ethiopia
Ethiopia ~ Jesus ~ Tadessa - Evangelism mission ~ e3 ~ GMF - YouTube
Jesus Christ in India
HOLY SPIRIT FIRE FALLS ON INDIAN TRIBES - Allan Rich Ministries - YouTube[/QUOTE]
tusme
28-07-2010, 08:21 AM
Depends, on the level of observation...
If exclusively from a physical perspective, "death" will be absolutely real...
From a Spirit/Truth perspective, however, such energy already knows it's energy vibrates beyond that of "death"...
In which case, besides merely a transformation of energy, "death" will indeed appear as an illusion...imho. :)
Anders Lindman
28-07-2010, 11:05 AM
Depends, on the level of observation...
If exclusively from a physical perspective, "death" will be absolutely real...
From a Spirit/Truth perspective, however, such energy already knows it's energy vibrates beyond that of "death"...
In which case, besides merely a transformation of energy, "death" will indeed appear as an illusion...imho. :)
I'm not so sure. I think even physical death can be avoided.
Anders Lindman
28-07-2010, 11:52 AM
I have often heard people saying that they will die but live on through their children. That has made me think: excuse me, but that's just crazy, you are not your children. But then it hit me: the parents don't see any other choice available to them! So the best they can do and hope for is that some part of themselves will live on through their children.
To me that's not a good enough choice, to put it mildly. I want to live for a very long time, and explore this reality much more MYSELF! Screw the children! Well, I don't mean that literally. :D I mean screw the idea that I will live on through my children. And I don't mean screw the children as in disregarding them. The children will live on too!
Anders Lindman
28-07-2010, 06:05 PM
When looking at it very generally, it seems to me that biological aging is caused by a deep root perception of feeling unsafe. This makes our body take on a chronic rigidity of protection, all through our lives. And this rigidity makes the flow of signal molecules, nutrition etc within the body to be impaired, which causes the body tissue to gradually deteriorate along with the physical body becoming more and more rigid.
If that is true, then in order to prevent further degeneration of the body we need to replace the constant feeling of being unsafe to a permanent feeling of being safe. How? My guess is that one way would be to 'simply' change one's mind about the idea of safety, to that of a belief in being completely safe. Of course this will at first be a big lie. The mind will still perceive reality as unsafe. But through persistence and with a deliberate questioning of the truth of this belief, a change may take place leading to actual safety.
Anders Lindman
28-07-2010, 10:22 PM
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Anders Lindman
30-07-2010, 04:44 AM
People who age are retarded.
elijahb
30-07-2010, 08:57 AM
Yup
tusme
30-07-2010, 09:25 AM
I'm not so sure. I think even physical death can be avoided.
Well, not sure "free-will" extends to those limits :) ...wouldn't "avoid physical death" even if I could... :eek: :)
The entire existence of each physical being, is merely a unique snapshot for GOD/Truth to experience/express Itself...without the first, last and I suppose every breath there would be no life, let alone birth or death...lest of-course a man/woman can, only then could he/she avoid death or live forever...and dare I say it, also claim to be GOD/Truth...imho. :eek: :)
tusme
30-07-2010, 09:29 AM
People who age are retarded.
..."age", is definitely an illusion, if ever there was one...!! :D
Anders Lindman
30-07-2010, 11:22 AM
..."age", is definitely an illusion, if ever there was one...!! :D
Pardon my bluntness for saying so; the allusion to the inadequate composture of aging naturally refers also to myself. Naturally. And would you, dear fellow wanderer, accuse me of being.....a mere......illusion? :D
Anders Lindman
01-08-2010, 08:05 AM
It seems to me that all spiritual teachings I have seen are a load of crock, complete bollocks. Because they talk about Oneness and non-duality, and of everlasting creation, yet the spiritual teachers' bodies deteriorate and die. And many of the supposed most enlightened gurus and masters, they die of cancer! Now, that's duality!
Obviously the body is not separate from reality or creation, so why does it deteriorate and get sick? Because we live with a false belief of separation. True spirituality means that the body gets super healthy and the aging process is reversed. Period. :cool:
Anders Lindman
01-08-2010, 11:21 AM
Actually, crazy as it might seem at first, I believe the best spiritual teachings are the 'tinfoil hat' New Age ascension teachings. Much of that too sounds like bollox to me but at least most of those teachings reject the need for aging and death.
Ascension 2012 Higher Vibrations vs Lower Vibrations - YouTube
Anders Lindman
01-08-2010, 02:21 PM
It's possible that science such as biotech is needed for reversing aging. The good thing is that mainstream experts say that we could have that with only a decade or so from now. The bad thing is that maybe only the ruling elite will get access to it.
Anders Lindman
01-08-2010, 05:35 PM
To summarize, we have several possibilities for reversing aging. We have mainstream science making exponential progress due to biology and medicine now having become powered by information technology. We have Dr. Bruce Lipton saying that aging is a belief (deep subconscious belief). We have the New Age ascension beliefs. And we have what I believe is a possibility that removing stress will reverse biological aging. And there may be other possibilities that I haven't researched much such as nutrition, meditation and ancient medicine.
Anders Lindman
01-08-2010, 05:44 PM
Plus of course, we have the Bible and possibly other ancient texts talking about people living very long lifespans, up to 900 years if I remember correctly. We should not imo dismiss that information out of hand.
greenzxy
08-08-2010, 08:16 PM
Hey Ander, I know this was posted awhile ago in the forums but have you checked out this article about the ninth layer of our DNA:
http://www.kryon.com/k_channel10_Moscow1_.html
I think there's a lot of stuff there that may interest you if you haven't checked it out.
codie
08-08-2010, 08:55 PM
People who age are retarded.
You do see people that stay active and still keep there inner child alive... they do tend to stay looking more vibrant and full of life, and usually look younger than they are. Then you see those who moan and groan about the stresses and the strains and live the life of a put upon person and really embrace the fact that they are getting old and decripid...they even start to wear "sensible shoes hehe", they do tend to look older than they actually are.
I'm starting to see more and more that we can control our reality on a deeper level than we think we can.
totalrecall
09-08-2010, 09:21 PM
I'm starting to see more and more that we can control our reality on a deeper level than we think we can.
Bingo.
I've been coming to the same realisation lately too.
totalrecall
09-08-2010, 09:29 PM
To summarize, we have several possibilities for reversing aging. We have mainstream science making exponential progress due to biology and medicine now having become powered by information technology. We have Dr. Bruce Lipton saying that aging is a belief (deep subconscious belief). We have the New Age ascension beliefs. And we have what I believe is a possibility that removing stress will reverse biological aging. And there may be other possibilities that I haven't researched much such as nutrition, meditation and ancient medicine.
And don't forget the ufo channelled semi-heavy water cause of aging either.
Maybe if we are trans-formative enough with our bodies then aging becomes a mind reflection.
gushen
10-08-2010, 04:53 PM
Aging has everything to do with conserving and cultivating energy. The main energy draining activities that cause aging are eating and sex/masturbation. There is really no secret; it's much like the task of raising a garden.
Of course that in practice it is simply too much work for the ordinary human to quit these habits. You really have to go through Hell, and then there is some more Hell. I'm not finished yet btw.
http://www.physicalimmortality.net/InterviewwithMonyVital.html
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Anders Lindman
11-08-2010, 02:16 PM
Hey Ander, I know this was posted awhile ago in the forums but have you checked out this article about the ninth layer of our DNA:
http://www.kryon.com/k_channel10_Moscow1_.html
I think there's a lot of stuff there that may interest you if you haven't checked it out.
I like this part: "Even at that, it's amazing what you've done with the chemistry healing you have. But that's the way it's looked at. There's no credibility for a smart body. In fact, allopathic medicine it's actually dishonoring. It assumes the body doesn't know and needs to have help. It looks like the body is sitting there unaware and stupid. And who can blame them, really, for in 3D it indeed seems that way?"
Anders Lindman
14-08-2010, 08:34 PM
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AI Against Aging
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http://www.singularitysummit.com/abstracts/goertzel