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turtonlea
25-10-2007, 05:29 AM
Look it’s important to download a full free copy from http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ when you get there follow the text to download free BitTorrent, http://www.bittorrent.com/download when you have done that go back the page and download the film. Then make copies to DVD and give to everyone to watch. These Governments are aware and are worried stiff.

VATICAN CONCERNS: ZEITGEIST THE NEW MOVIE RELEASE--- http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Knights Templar win heresy reprieve after 700 years By Philip Pullella
Thu Oct 11, 8:33 PM ET



The Knights Templar, the medieval Christian military order accused of heresy and sexual misconduct, will soon be partly rehabilitated when the Vatican publishes trial documents it had closely guarded for 700 years.

A reproduction of the minutes of trials against the Templars, "'Processus Contra Templarios -- Papal Inquiry into the Trial of the Templars'" is a massive work and much more than a book -- with a 5,900 euros (4,125 pounds) price tag.

"This is a milestone because it is the first time that these documents are being released by the Vatican, which gives a stamp of authority to the entire project," said Professor Barbara Frale, a medievalist at the Vatican's Secret Archives.

"Nothing before this offered scholars original documents of the trials of the Templars," she told Reuters in a telephone interview ahead of the official presentation of the work on October 25.

The epic comes in a soft leather case that includes a large-format book including scholarly commentary, reproductions of original parchments in Latin, and -- to tantalise Templar buffs -- replicas of the wax seals used by 14th-century inquisitors.

Reuters was given an advance preview of the work, of which only 799 numbered copies have been made.

One parchment measuring about half a metre wide by some two metres long is so detailed that it includes reproductions of stains and imperfections seen on the originals.

Pope Benedict will be given the first set of the work, published by the Vatican Secret Archives in collaboration with Italy's Scrinium cultural foundation, which acted as curator and will have exclusive world distribution rights.

The Templars, whose full name was "Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon", were founded in 1119 by knights sworn to protecting Christian pilgrims visiting the Holy Land after the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099.

They amassed enormous wealth and helped finance wars of some European monarchs. Legends of their hidden treasures, secret rituals and power have figured over the years in films and bestsellers such as "The Da Vinci Code".

The Knights have also been portrayed as guardians of the legendary Holy Grail, the cup used by Christ at the Last Supper before his crucifixion.

The Vatican expects most copies of the work to be bought up by specialised libraries at top universities and by leading medieval scholars.

BURNED AT THE STAKE

The Templars went into decline after Muslims re-conquered the Holy Land at the end of the 13th century and were accused of heresy by King Philip IV of France, their foremost persecutor. Their alleged offences included denying Christ and secretly worshipping idols.

The most titillating part of the documents is the so-called Chinon Parchment, which contains phrases in which Pope Clement V absolves the Templars of charges of heresy, which had been the backbone of King Philip's attempts to eliminate them.

Templars were burned at the stake for heresy by King Philip's agents after they made confessions that most historians believe were given under duress.

The parchment, also known as the Chinon Chart, was "misplaced" in the Vatican archives until 2001, when Frale stumbled across it.

"The parchment was catalogued incorrectly at some point in history. At first I couldn't believe my eyes. I was incredulous," she said.

"This was the document that a lot of historians were looking for," the 37-year-old scholar said.

Philip was heavily indebted to the Templars, who had helped him finance his wars, and getting rid of them was a convenient way of cancelling his debts, some historians say.

Frale said Pope Clement was convinced that while the Templars had committed some grave sins, they were not heretics.

SPITTING ON THE CROSS

Their initiation ceremony is believed to have included spitting on the cross, but Frale said they justified this as a ritual of obedience in preparation for possible capture by Muslims. They were also said to have practised sodomy.

"Simply put, the pope recognised that they were not heretics but guilty of many other minor crimes -- such as abuses, violence and sinful acts within the order," she said. "But that is not the same as heresy."

Despite his conviction that the Templars were not guilty of heresy, in 1312 Pope Clement ordered the Templars disbanded for what Frale called "the good of the Church" following his repeated clashes with the French king.

Frale depicted the trials against the Templars between 1307 and 1312 as a battle of political wills between Clement and Philip, and said the document means Clement's position has to be reappraised by historians.

"This will allow anyone to see what is actually in documents like these and deflate legends that are in vogue these days," she said.

Rosi Fontana, who has helped the Vatican coordinate the project, said: "The most incredible thing is that 700 years have passed and people are still fascinated by all of this."

"The precise reproduction of the parchments will allow scholars to study them, touch them, admire them as if they were dealing with the real thing," Fontana said.

"But even better, it means the originals will not deteriorate as fast as they would if they were constantly being viewed," she said.



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Anders Lindman
25-10-2007, 07:42 AM
I have watched a bit of the video Ring Of Power, and although it starts as an ordinary 911 movie, it becomes very interesting after a while. Even more interesting than Zeitgeist imo, even though I haven't watched the whole of Ring Of Power yet. Some VERY interesting connections between the Vatican, the Queen of England, Jesus Christ and hundreds of other connections, and they all point to.....the Ring of Power.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8250619454941053618

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1158343264447729869

turtonlea
25-10-2007, 10:47 AM
Thank You, Anders

I will watch and let you know. I have been following all this since the
days of Ronnie Reagan in the late 70s. However, much of my information collected is still on papers.

Once again,

Thank You,


Turton.

kallista
25-10-2007, 11:18 AM
What is never generally mentioned in these knights templar histories is the fact the templars had a mirror organisation called the Assassins. A muslim group of mercenaries, mind controlled by Hasan ibn Sabah, they also wore the red cross on a white background. Both these groups fought on both sides during the crusades, for money.
The templars couldn't have given a toss for christians, as soon as they got to the holy land they took over the temple mount without resistance, and spent eight years digging underneath it, presumably searching for the holy graal.
Check the author William Burroughs for more details, he knew a lot more then he ever blatantly let on.

Anders Lindman
25-10-2007, 11:30 AM
Thank You, Anders

I will watch and let you know. I have been following all this since the
days of Ronnie Reagan in the late 70s. However, much of my information collected is still on papers.

Once again,

Thank You,


Turton.

I have just watched the first part of the Ring of Power. Very entertaining stuff! It would be great if you and other people can check it out and comment on it. I don't know enough about this to be able to tell how correct the case being presented is.

Anders Lindman
25-10-2007, 11:49 AM
I found this:

"The Producer is an experienced, award winning documentary filmmaker who, as a child, learned that her father was a member of the secretive cult of Freemasonry. She recalls many arguments between her parents over her father's secret meetings and the exclusion of women from the brotherhood. The Masonic ring that her father wore had been passed down from father to son over the generations. When she asked her father about the meaning of the letter "G" and the compass and square on his ring, she got no response. As an adult, she decided to investigate. That investigation grew into four years of intensive research into the identity and history of the diabolical globalists who she calls the "Ring Of Power". Their goal is one World Empire and one world ruler."

From: http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=1969

irak
25-10-2007, 12:37 PM
The Templars, whose full name was "Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon", were founded in 1119 by knights sworn to protecting Christian pilgrims visiting the Holy Land after the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099.



..so rebuilding the temple of solomon are you? ..ya' sneaky vatican bastards..

turtonlea
26-10-2007, 06:58 AM
I have just watched the first part of the Ring of Power. Very entertaining stuff! It would be great if you and other people can check it out and comment on it. I don't know enough about this to be able to tell how correct the case being presented is.:):)

Over the weekend I will go through the film and tell you what is true and that which is not. However, it is worth pointing out the famous Winston Churchhill Speech, which people tend to point out the fighting on the beeches part. The Speech was quite a large one and although people always try to quote his bit about fighting on the beeches they miss the part about the NWO (backwards OWN) I can give you a copy of the full speech, But for now I will show the last paragraph of his speech showing that this NWO had been a dream of England and France for over 300 years.

Winston Spencer Churchill ( as in Lady Diane Spencer).


"we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the of old". ;);)