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caper

21-07-2010, 04:46 PM

thedefender

21-07-2010, 07:45 PM

I have to agree with your statments. The rubble should have piled up around the whole site. Not only did WTC 1,2, and 7 come down but many building around them which did not survive the impact of falling debris were reduced to rubble as well. Many pictures I see after the fall of the towers suggest otherwise to pilled high debris. Granted, pieces of concrete, desks, chairs, office equipment subsequently were reduced to dust; and their was plenty of it. However, the steel left over was plenty and it seems to me in photographic evidence that the amount of steel used to make the buildings did not fall in equal when it was leveled.

Much of the building's steel was excavated and sold off...it was melted down and some of it was sold...China being one of the buyers.

macgyver1968

21-07-2010, 07:57 PM

What kind of energy weapons are you talking about?

caper

21-07-2010, 08:21 PM

What kind of energy weapons are you talking about?

I'm not specifying any particular type of energy weapon, but a few possible candidates could be, Gravitic weapons (unlikely) or Scalar weapons (more likely).

The US military must have one of these weapons or something very similar to it in nature. As the majority of all three buildings but especially the twin towers, turned into dust and vanished.

Conventional explosives, or thermite do not do that......energy weapons on the other hand do.

caper

21-07-2010, 08:25 PM

luciferhorus

21-07-2010, 08:25 PM

To anyone who has properly analysed what was left at ground zero, one question should be apparently obvious, but yet doesn't seem to be all that frequently asked.

Where did a skyscraper (WTC7), and two of the world's tallest buildings go? They sure as hell aren't on stacked on ground zero. There is rubble and debris...but not as much as there should be.

The rubble doesn't add up, if this was a conventional controlled demoltion there would be far more rubble.

This is where the possible use of energy weapons comes into it.

I urge everyone to take a look at this site and have a good read through it, it brings up some interesting points, which may have been previously overlooked.

http://www.drjudywood.com/

The US state terrorists have a suspected trillion dollar a year black budget from the sale of narcotics etc., and they have spent decades on military research and development. Direct energy weapons are certainly a possibility but it is speculative and cannot be proven.

Personally I believe that the reason why the US state terrorists don't use certain types of advanced weapons in Iraq and Afghanistian is not because they don't have them, but simply because they want to keep them a secret.

As soon as the US starts using direct energy weapons and microwave weapons in their theatres of war, all other nations in the world would be obligated to manufacture such weapons also.

Another major reason why I believe they are reluctant to use such weapons overtly is that once their enemies start using microwave and direct energy weapons, the US state terrorists would have no tactical advantage in having a large army; the advantage would be entirely that of the guerrilla and the US military's concrete bunkers would offer no defence against certain types of advance weapons.

Some years ago I had an aquantance who was ex South Africa military intelligence who was actually attempting to raise funds for a microwave weapons project which had the capacity to take down aircraft merely by carbonising the crew and certain components. The technology is very simple and easily reproducible; it is not rocket science. This makes it inevitable that future wars will be fought in this way. The Cubans and the Chinese are also fortunately working on microwave weapons technology also, and because the technology is simple it is almost certain that they also already have such weapons.

Microwave weapons are a "type" of direct energy (non projectile) weapon which are irrelevant to the WTC demolition of course but certainly direct energy weapons may have been used, however in the absence of proof it is merely a speculation.

Lux

War of Armageddon. The Inevitability of Apocalyptic War

The Final Solution; the Strategy of Victory. The Purpose of the Alchemical Quest. The Great Work of the Ages.

Lucifer
2010

The view that the Capitalists are seemingly invincible and that it would be virtually impossible to defeat them is quite commonplace in Capitalism but it is entirely incorrect; I have been writing articles on "military strategy" and how the Capitalists will be defeated for about the last 10 years.
I consider their defeat to be inevitable It is my view that the Kingdoms of Capitalism probably can be defeated with greater ease than any other great military empire of in human history. Capitalism is fragile.

Albert Einstein's famous letter to Roosevelt encouraging him to start the Manhattan Project prophetically explains exactly how the Kingdoms of Capitalism can and will be destroyed.

..it may become possible to set up a nuclear chain reaction in a large mass of uranium....Now it appears almost certain that this could be achieved in the immediate future...A single bomb of this type, carried by boat and exploded in a port, might very well destroy the whole port together with some of the surrounding territory...

The advantage of apocalyptic guerilla warfare is that it does not require a large army, it can be waged in total anonymity, and since such weaponry is simply based on advanced science, such weapons can be procured almost endlessly, generation after generation.

The Alchemical Quest.

I have long believed that the central goal of the Alchemical Quest was not the conversion of lead into gold, but rather the conversion of mass into energy. Our ancestors have long puzzled over the mystery of why when we burn an object, the mass seems to disappear and converts into heat and light, and of course there is also the mystery of the sun. This was essentially also Jack Parsons view, who would recite the Hymn to Pan prior to the launch of his experimental rockets; for Parsons military technology was entirely a magickal quest and a sacred mission; for such technology gave the magickian the ability to conquer the enemies of freedom; however the term “freedom” means something entirely different to the Thelemic revolutionary than to the tyrants and military elites of state terrorism for whom it is just a mantra of Orwellian Newspeak.

Parsons was more of a “Gandalf” seeking the power to destroy the kingdoms of Mordor that would make way for the New Aeon; whereas the current American regime and their military allies represent everything that was and is the Dark Lord's Kingdom of Mordor. Parsons successfully attempted to invent an ultimate form of “Greek Fire,” a term which medieval alchemists used to describe flaming incendiary devices, and which is essentially “rocket science;” Parson's discovery came to be used as the fuel which would power rockets and nuclear missiles.

Anyone or any army who was able to crack the secrets of converting mass into energy would inevitably become the most powerful military force on earth and large conventional armies could simply be eradicated in the blink of an eye. Fortunately some of the scientists working on the Manhattan Project passed the details of the project on to the Soviets and nuclear technology became a secret no more; in this age rather than any one power keeping the secrets of this technology, they are taught in universities around the world and are secrets no more; an understanding of nuclear physics is rather now part of the core science curriculum.

Casting the Ring of Power into the fires of Mordor.

The Lord of Rings is not a tale with a peaceful conclusion; it is military saga; it is a tale of Gandalf's attempt to raise the armies of Middle Earth to war to defeat the rising tyranny of the Dark Lord who seeks to rule the world. Much of the modern world is like the land of the Hobbits where people go about their daily lives unaware of the preparations by the military and economic elites to enslave humanity in a global fascist and Capitalist police state. Alex Jones, the American militias and the militant Muslims and Communists have far more in common with Gandalf than the armies of new age hippies and pacifists who may actually have more in common with the appearance of Gandalf, but this is a tale which will not have a peaceful conclusion and which requires the ultimate military solution.

Unfortunately “casting a magic ring into the fires of Mordor” in the nuclear age will have genocidal consequences, but then in the saga of Lord of the Rings that is entirely the point; the point is for one person to defeat the entire armies of the Dark Lord with a single devastating and genocidal blow which would permanent totally cripple his kingdom and bring about his military defeat. Similarly in the apocalyptic prophecies of the Book of Revelation and the Koran, the figures of the Messiah and the Imam Madhi are not prophetical or religious figures, they have an entirely military role and mission, and that is the utter defeat of the most powerful armies on earth; the armies of the Anti-Messiah or Ad-Dijjal (Evil King).

In the Book of revelation the armies and military allies of the anti-messiah are slaughtered en mass and their leaders burned in a lake of fire; this of course comes at the end of a campaign of genocidal terror by the 7 Angels of the Apocalypse who cast fire on earth with apocalyptic fury; the destruction of the richest city on earth “in a blink” of an eye, where the smoke of her burning can be seen by all the world is also a prophecy which only in this modern age could now me made manifest.

Zion

The Bible is not a book I am fond of at all; however it's apocalyptic prophecies which predict the defeat of the most powerful armies on the earth and the apocalyptic destruction of the richest of the kingdoms are I believe in accordance with collective human will which naturally desires victory over tyranny and evil and the triumph of human freedom, and I think even atheists such as Marx would have shared that view. Communism after all, was in the opinion of the Nazis, a secular and political form of militant Judaism which of course has in it's mythical legends the tale of Moses and the prophets crying out against evil kings and tyrants; Moses' mantra was“let my people go” and the theme was slave revolution, not the prevalence of a Master race and a new tyranny; it's “End Times” scenario was always about the defeat of tyranny, a kingdom of the just and the creation of Zion; lebensraum for the liberated African slaves.

The later apocalyptic prophecies of the Book of Revelation are hard to interpret by the proponents of Capitalist revolution (though there is no limit to human stupidity and hypocrisy), since they predict the creation of a New World, The New Jerusalem, the City of Light and a 1000 year agricultural revolution (swords to ploughshares) beyond victory in war where all suffering has passed away, where nothing is bought or sold and where there is no religion (There is no Temple in the Great City of Light.)

Self Fulfilling Prophecy

As much as I am an anti-Christian, I still believe in the power of self fulfilling prophecy, including the apocalyptic Biblical prophecies. Even in the derivatives market of Capitalism, traders can make a stock plummet merely by constantly predicting it will plummet, talking it down and making public their short positions on the stock; once the markets realise that vast sums of money are being bet on the stock falling, the market often panics and people start selling their stocks, thinking their must be a reason for lack of confidence in the stock or that perhaps someone has some inside knowledge of the weakness of the company, when really all that is occurring is an attempt by gamblers to self fulfil their predictions.

Similarly so with the apocalyptic prophecies of the defeat of global Capitalist tyranny; there will always be those who are simply “waiting on God” to do something who have the “opposite” of a Messianic complex and who want someone else to save them, and then there are those who have Messianic complexes themselves and who seek to be providential agents on the stage of history; those who believe in the triumph over evil and the creation of heaven on earth and who by the power of their own will seek to fulfil such prophecies. It has been said that “all” Communists have Messianic Complexes and I think this to be entirely correct.

The point of prophecy is not to predict the future but to change the future. Physics is War.

Probably a classic work on “Self Fulfilling Prophecies” and the Apocalypse is Peter Lemesurier's “Armageddon Script.” Lemesurier at the time of writing claimed to be an atheist who did not believe in “prophecies” from a superstitious perspective; his arguments put simply can be summed up in the position that if a “prophecy” is written and gets enough attention throughout history and becomes part of the collective consciousness, it is almost inevitable that at some point someone will seek to fulfil this prophecy. From this point of view, for example, Nostradamus' prophecy of the Great Fire of London in 1666 can be seen not as an “insight” into the future by Nostradamus, but as the action of a person who possibly sought to self fulfil that prophecy. Similarly so with the Apocalyptic Angels and armies of Armageddon. It is simply unrealistic to expect the defeat of the armies of Anglo-American state terrorists and their allies in apocalyptic war by some “miraculous” means; these angels and armies will have to apply the Craft of Physics to the Art of War; there is simply no other way to evoke (personify) and self fulfil the prophecies, but their fulfilment is, I believe inevitable.

Capitalism's Achilles' Heel.

(http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/sep/09/september11.afghanistan Al-Qaeda leaders say nuclear power stations were original targets.

Capitalism's Achilles' Heel is the modern equivalent of the fictional fires of Mordor. Suppose that one wished to utilise nuclear technology to permanently cripple Capitalism. What would be the real equivalent of the Fires of Mordor? The answer of course of rather obvious to the anti-nuclear lobby, as they have been warning about this issue for decades. The world's major financial command and control centres are surrounded by giant ammunitions dumps; these are their nuclear power stations. Within each reactor is up to several hundred fuel rods. Nuking a Nuclear reactor is probably the equivalent of blowing up your enemy's ammunition dump; it would not cause a Hiroshima type effect, but it would certainly be the equivalent of a giant dirty nuclear bomb; it would not even be necessary to totally destroy such cities, but rather merely to contaminate them and create a Chernobyl effect. This of course is entirely possible, and not only “possible” but a topic of discussion among militant Muslims and the various enemies of the state terrorists.

Military Strategy and Apocalyptic Guerilla Warfare.

Most “historians” are, in part, scholars of “military strategy.” “Military Strategy” is very much a Machiavellian Craft; the point is to use the most successful strategy to either the defeat the enemy or to offer such a threat to the enemy that the enemy will surrender without conflict; however in the latter case the enemy needs to believe that it is impossible to win and that conflict would be futile.

The military academies of the state terrorists are of course full of officers who study past conflicts and the causes of failure and success in war. There is a tendency to believe that the Anglo-American state terrorists are almost invincible because thus far in WW3 their militant enemies appear not to have advanced military technology and the image of “resistance” is that of small disorganised bands who are no match for the advanced technological armies of the Capitalists. However the prospect of utilising a nuclear guerilla strategy to retaliate against the Anglo-Americans is inevitable; since it is after all probably the “only” means that the enemies of Capitalist state terrorists have of success; a military strategist generally does not look for the least successful means of destroying an enemy but the most successful means,

The Moral Justification for Nuclear Guerilla War.

“Guerilla arms ought to be the same as those used by the enemy.”. Che Guevara., Guerilla Warfare

The Internet is littered with articles accusing the Americans and Israelis of using nuclear weapons in Iraq, Afghanistan and against the Palestinians.

For example: “US. veteran reveals atomic bombs
dropped on Afghanistan and Iraq.” http://willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/US_Veteran_Reveals_Atomic_Bombs.html

“They also began dropping two-and-a-half-ton GBU-28 "dense metal" penetrators from B-52s and B-1 Stealth bombers. In order to penetrate rock and concrete, each “Great Big Uranium” bomb is shaped like a spear tipped with tons of radioactive Uranium-238 nearly twice as dense as lead. Using nuclear waste left over from making atomic bombs and reactor fuel, the amount of radioactive Depleted Uranium (DU) particles spread by each GBU “dirty bomb” eclipsed any terrorist's fantasy - one-and-a-half metric tons of aerosolized particles.............”

“Around this time (1991 – the First Gulf War, a British Special Air Service (SAS) team on a secret reconnaissance mission sighted a signature mushroom cloud from 110 miles away. The commandos radioed back to headquarters, “Sir, the blokes have just nuked Kuwait...Going Nuclear...In fact, the “blokes” had just nuked Iraq. According to U.S. military sources, the first detonation of a nuclear weapon against another country since 1945 took place approximately 11 miles east of Basra, sometime between February 2 and February 5, 1991.

With the city of Basra resounding to gigantic explosions, and engulfed in "a hellish nighttime of fires and smoke so dense that witnesses say the sun hasn't been clearly visible for several days at a time,” a 5-kiloton GB-400 nuclear bomb exploding 11 miles away under the desert attracted no notice.

There is nothing “depleted” about a speck of anything that can kill any organism that ingests or inhales it over the next 4.5 billion years. [Daily Star (Beirut) Sept 14/04; Tribune Media Services June 29/06]

“Basically, it's like smoking crack,” says former Lawrence Livermore nuclear lab scientist, Leuren Moret regarding uranium dust. “Only you're inhaling radioactive crack - and it won't get you high. It will get you dead. It goes right in your nose. It crosses the olfactory bulb into your brain. It's a systemic poison. It goes everywhere.”

Borne around the globe on high-level winds, radioactive nanoparticles 100-times smaller than a white blood cell go “straight into the blood stream,” Moret continues. “It's carried all throughout the body into the bones, the bone marrow, the brain. It goes into the foetus. gets picked up in the lipids and probably the cholesterol and go right through the cell membranes of the cell. They screw up the cell processes. They screw up the signalling between the cells because the cells all talk to each other and coordinate what they're doing. It messes up brain function.” [Project Censored Feb 21/05;
iconoclast-texas.com May 9/05]

And because radioactive particles are not soluble, they cannot be excreted from the body.

Alpha particles tend to bind with phosphate in human bones and DNA. Just one gram of U-238 lodged in the body from a Depleted Uranium round - or a nuclear detonation - emits 12,000 alpha particles per second. [American Free Press Aug 27/04]

According to Eric Wright, Professor of Experimental Hematology at Dundee University, even a cell that seems unharmed by radiation can produce cells with diverse mutations several cell generations later to cause cancer and birth defects. Pentagon studies prior to Desert Storm found that aerosol uranium exposure could lead to cancers of the lung and bone, kidney damage, non-malignant lung disease, neurocognitive disorders, chromosomal damage and birth defects."
http://willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/Sleight_Of_Nuke.html

And then there is a the issue of Depleted Uranium which is also a nuclear weapon with far more long term effects on entire regions than any other type of nuclear weapon where the radioactivity depletes very quickly.

It has been suggested that Depleted Uranium is specifically used to depopulate. A declassified US document explains how radioactive material can be used for such a purpose.

“As a gas warfare instrument the material would be ground into particles of microscopic size to form dust and smoke and distributed by a ground-fired projectile, land vehicles, or aerial bombs. In this form it would be inhaled by personnel. The amount necessary to cause death to a person inhaling the material is extremely small. It has been estimated that one millionth of a gram accumulating in a person's body would be fatal. There are no known methods of treatment for such a casualty.”
http://davidrothscum.blogspot.com/2010/04/evidence-that-depleted-uranium-is.html

and...

“Another document, from 1948, shows that the plan evolved, and began resembling what we now know as Depleted Uranium.4
The United States began looking for ways to weaponize radioactive material. It's top priorities were:
• 1 — Weapons to contaminate "populated or otherwise critical areas for long periods of time."
• 2 — Munitions combining high explosives with radioactive material "to accomplish physical damage and radioactive contamination simultaneously."
• 3 — Air and-or surface weapons that would spread contamination across an area to be evacuated, thereby rendering it unusable by enemy forces.”http://davidrothscum.blogspot.com/2010/04/evidence-that-depleted-uranium-is.html

Citizens in the rich First World would of course be outraged if there was a retaliation against their nations which was on par with the methods which the Anglo-American state terrorists have used in the Islamic states, however this would seem to indicate is a general failure to “understand the enemy;” the alleged “enemy” has already been nuked; their nations have been littered with radioactive contamination and there are always more civilian deaths than deaths of actual combatants; the “enemy” already has the moral justification for nuclear retaliation and it is commonly and currently being threatened, discussed and planned.

[I]"Create two, three...many Vietnams....”

Whether I want this to occur or not is entirely irrelevant to the desire of the enemies of the Imperialists to retaliate; it is entirely inevitable that the “enemy” will want this situation to occur, and since it is entirely scientifically possible, an appropriate moral response, and entirely expected, it is in my view inevitable that such retaliation will occur. The Anglo American state terrorists have long been warned that the world's billion Muslims are a sleeping tiger, which when attacked will almost certainly retaliate, and since the Americans have already used nuclear weapons in a first strike (or in fact “many strikes”) it is almost inevitable that the Muslims will seek a similar or more deadly vengeance; it is after all their “only” means of ensuring the complete collapse of the kingdoms of their Capitalist enemies.

Dangerous Ground. The Nuclear Weapons Black Market.

The current US criticism of the Iranians is that despite the US having a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons, they do not wish the Iranians to enrich uranium for their own reactors, since the technology could be used to create weapons; however it is my belief that the Iranians and indeed “many” other nations and militias already have nuclear weapons; however they are hardly likely to broadcast this to the world. What is the evidence for this?

With the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the collapse of the economy, almost anything in the Russian's military arsenal could be found on the black market. Written in 1999, “Dangerous Ground” includes the account of British journalist Roger Cook's investigations into the trade in weapons grade nuclear materials. Cook made a documentary film on this subject which was broadcast in the later 90's in the UK. Using organised crime contacts in Russia and a secret camera, Cook set himself up as a potential buyer of weapon's grade nuclear materials; upon eventually making contact with Russian arms dealers, he was eventually offered as much weapons grade Plutonium as he could buy for $4 million a kilo. As evidence that their product was genuine, he was offered a “sample” in a sealed container, which he took to a Russian government physics laboratory who confirmed to him that item was indeed genuine. I recall that Cook also pointed out that in a single year in Germany alone, German customs uncovered around 100 cases of the smuggling of radioactive materials; and that is only what they “discovered;” what remains “undiscovered” is anyone's guess.

"Now I am become Death", "destroyer of worlds."

$4 million a kilo for weapons grade plutonium is hardly within the reach of any “worker” but there are still nations and peoples in the world for whom possessing the “ultimate weapon” is the ultimate goal; of course since I am referring to the the illegal black market in arms, any militia groups, persons, nations or crime syndicates in possession of such weapons are hardly likely to boast of it and to make it known; their anonymity is their ultimate protection; future wars using such weapons are thus unlikely to be wars “between” nations, but rather against nations fought using the secrecy and strategy of the guerilla. It is thus unlikely that any nation or government considered to be an “enemy” will be able to defend themselves and indeed almost “all” governments are considered an enemy to someone.

DEW Directed Energy Weapons. Microwave and acoustic Weapons. Future Wars.

http://www.badexperiment.com/infrasonic_cannon.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/uploads/ats54019_Active_Denial.jpg

http://thoughtmenagerie.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/new-radiation-weapon-ready-to-roll-in-iraqads.jpg

http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/emp-microwave-emitter.jpg

"Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) and High Powered Microwave (HMP) Weapons offer a significant capability against electronic equipment susceptible to damage by transient power surges. This weapon generates a very short, intense energy pulse producing a transient surge of thousands of volts that kills semiconductor devices. The conventional EMP and HMP weapons can disable non-shielded electronic devices including practically any modern electronic device within the effective range of the weapon.
Cuba and China have joined efforts to develop HPMs and EMPs in Cuba. Two main sites: Wajay electronic farm, and Santiago de Cuba electronic farm"

http://www.lanuevacuba.com/archivo/manuel-cereijo-115.htm

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2009/07/6a00d8341ca35253ef00e54f6eb6ae8833-800wi1.jpg

http://www.ausairpower.net/Almaz-HEL-DEW-System-3S.jpg
HEL High Energy lazer tests
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-PLA-PD-SAM.html

There are of course quite a wide range of advanced “non-conventional,” “non-projectile” weapons systems which have already been developed. Why the Anglo-American state terrorists are not using these weapons yet in their Imperial colonies is something of a mystery, however I entirely suspect they are not using them, since if they were, it would force their enemies into developing and using such technologies, and such technologies, if used by both sides in a conflict give absolutely no advantage to a large conventional occupying army; on the contrary they are perfect for guerilla warfare. In Iraq and Afghanistan the imperialist armies are so despised that they are unable to mix socially with the local populations and are rather “dug in” in military bases behind concrete walls; however concrete walls over no protection to the array of modern non projectile weaponry. Part of the “rush” to colonise the world and to expand the conflict to Iraq may well be due to the fact that the Anglo-American state terrorists only have a limited time before such technologies are available to their enemies, which would result in the loss of their advantage as a large conventional army. Future wars are unlikely to be settled by large conventional armies but by those who have access to non-projectile weapons technology.

Lucifer

2010

kahn2010

21-07-2010, 09:54 PM

Apparently, the US R&D department, Darpa, has got several energy weapons in the works that can be used a Anti-missile/Anti-air Weapons by ground forces, Air-to-air/Air-to-ground/air-to-missile by aircraft (both jets and helicopters) and Ship-to-ship/Ship-to-air/ ship-to-missile by Ships.

Apparently, they have high powered - and extremely deadly - lasers already in the prototype stages, they are just trying to compact everything into a much smaller package so you can get as many lasers as possible on your vehicle/aircraft/ship.

caper

21-07-2010, 10:01 PM

The US state terrorists have a suspected trillion dollar a year black budget from the sale of narcotics etc., and they have spent decades on military research and development. Direct energy weapons are certainly a possibility but it is speculative and cannot be proven.

Personally I believe that the reason why the US state terrorists don't use certain types of advanced weapons in Iraq and Afghanistian is not because they don't have them, but simply because they want to keep them a secret.

As soon as the US starts using direct energy weapons and microwave weapons in their theatres of war, all other nations in the world would be obligated to manufacture such weapons also.

Another major reason why I believe they are reluctant to use such weapons overtly is that once their enemies start using microwave and direct energy weapons, the US state terrorists would have no tactical advantage in having a large army; the advantage would be entirely that of the guerrilla and the US military's concrete bunkers would offer no defence against certain types of advance weapons.

Some years ago I had an aquantance who was ex South Africa military intelligence who was actually attempting to raise funds for a microwave weapons project which had the capacity to take down aircraft merely by carbonising the crew and certain components. The technology is very simple and easily reproducible; it is not rocket science. This makes it inevitable that future wars will be fought in this way. The Cubans and the Chinese are also fortunately working on microwave weapons technology also, and because the technology is simple it is almost certain that they also already have such weapons.

Microwave weapons are a "type" of direct energy (non projectile) weapon which are irrelevant to the WTC demolition of course but certainly direct energy weapons may have been used, however in the absence of proof it is merely a speculation.

Lux

Lux, thanks for the information and links, I will certainly give it a read when I have a spare moment or two.

As for the idea that Directed Energy Weapons were used on 9/11, it is indeed speculation to some, but the evidence or lack of it in this case suggests that what brought down those towers was very advanced weaponary.

I would suggest America has these weapons, as do China and possibly Russia. It's no different than keeping up with the Jones', it's just on a completely different level. Instead of cars and houses....it's weapons, research and concept aircraft.

Keeping such weapons a secret would be a number one priority, if no one knows about them or very few know about them. Other than the people orchestrating them, they can be used for pretty much anything and then subsequently denied.

I'm certain that they were used on 9/11 and told by people who have a better idea and vantage point on this topic than I do that the US has DEW's, as do a few other Major countries.

mythbusters2

21-07-2010, 11:16 PM

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this firetruck is nowhere near the WTC never mind the building 7 !
its about a block away, look at the wilted boom arm this is the picture judy wood has!!
but obviously her photo is taken after they sawed it off.

i have seen the beam weapons in some cable footage i have
i have also seen 2 orbs swinging 3 orbs these 3 orbs project a very large shape like a triangle,
i can also see a very large and fast object in we bob and bri almost like a ghost triangle flying by their window
at high speed, then comes back as 3 orbs this in when their in cloaked mode.

luciferhorus

21-07-2010, 11:59 PM

As for the idea that Directed Energy Weapons were used on 9/11, it is indeed speculation to some, but the evidence or lack of it in this case suggests that what brought down those towers was very advanced weaponary.

I would suggest America has these weapons, as do China and possibly Russia.

Yes I know for a fact that China and also Cuba are working on Direct Energy weapons; I have read reports in this in the media. This will change the future of warfare; such weapons are the equivalent to what the gattling gun was to the bow and arrow. With these weapons a single guerilla fighter can take on a giant army and commit genocide in a blink of an eye; there will simply be no advantage in having a large army of occupation; in fact it will become a disadvantage. Further since such DE (no projectile) weapons such as microwave weapons are powered by electricity, they can be fired endlessly until the electrical generator runs out of fuel. Unfortunately these weapons are also perfect for drone aircraft and tanks; future wars in the Capitalist's colonies could be fought by a controller sitting in front of a PC in a bunker half way around the world from the drone. This may well be part of the reason why the US state terrorists are building 100's of deep underground bunkers, since instead of "bombing" the Pentagon, a DE weapon could just be fired at it, killing every one inside.

The microwave weapon which the South Africans I knew were trying to market was actually a rather small device which ran off an electrical generator the size of a small van, and could target aircraft, but it could also be made to run off a car engine though it would have a less powerful effect. Further they discounted any possibility of being able to patent the device since the technology is quite common, simple to reproduce and patents on devices of such awesome power are generally not granted for security reasons, as anyone who could read the patent could copy it.

This unfortunately is the future of warfare.

In addition to this I believe that the "UFO" phenomenon can also be explained by US military research and secret project.

A recent development in UFO research has been the use of infra red lenses which are able to pick up craft shaped objects in the sky which cannot be seen with the naked eye. There are many strange signs in the sky, and unfortunately these appear to me to all be indications of the nature of future wars and of advanced military hardware.

Lux

I'm not sure if this video has been posted here before, however the following video is not the standard UFO conspiracy theory video; it is a one hour and 40 minute documentary by Nick Cook, an editor for "Jane's Defense Weekly." Essentially the argument and evidence in the film leads to the conclusion that U.F.O's are essentially advanced technology produced by the U.S. military.

http://www.binnallofamerica.com/pix/rr/5308d.jpg

Personally I tend to think that much of the UFO conspiracy theory information is encouraged by the US military as "disinformation" to cover their secret technology and black military operations; this is also stated in the video.

Alien Abductions, Cattle Mutilations & U.S. Military Psyops

"Alien Abductions" may well also simply be abductions by the US military. Another position suggested by a "cattle mutilation" researcher in the video is that the culprits of animal mutilation could easily just take the entire animal, but rather they leave the evidence behind; he suggests that this is deliberately to spread fear, and it is an atmpsophere of mass of "fear and control" which is to the advantage of the US police state. One testimonial in the video relates to the sighting of a black helicopter at the time of cattle mutilation, suggesting that the culprits may be closer to home

Unseen World.

In addition to "visible" UFO sightings, a recent development has been the use of infra red lenses which pick up geometrically shaped craft which cannot be seen with the naked eye, nor photographed with a standard lense; the US military have also been working on "cloaking" technology for many years. It seems that much of what we may consider "future science" or even "crackpot science" is actually current science, but kept under wraps by the US military.

Nick Cook: "The Billion Dollar Secret." (1 hour 40 mins.)

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3975546396136405829#

Nick Cook: "UFO's: The Secret Evidence" (1 hour 40 mins.)

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-834605691449249469&hl=en&emb=1#

Lux.

http://www.binnallofamerica.com/pix/rr/5308a.jpg

"In Billion Dollar Secret, Cook makes a fairly strong case for his theory that some UFO reports in the American Southwest could be explained by deeply classified "black" aircraft and super advanced technology, perhaps as one interviewee suggests: "fifty years ahead of anything you can imagine." Cook points out that the US Defence Department "black budget" (money used to fund expenditures it does not want to disclose publicly) has been estimated to be about $30 billion annually, more than enough for the "black world" to build their own UFOs. Further, on September 10, 2001, US Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld admitted to the media that amazingly: "According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions...........

With that kind of money at the US Defence Department's disposal, almost anything becomes feasible, even, as Nick Cook suggests in his book, ultra secret antigravity aircraft. The idea that the US military could have developed some new form of advanced technology in secret, such as antigravity, may sound fantastic, but it is not that unlikely when you consider that it has already happened once with stealth technology.

When stealth aircraft were still denied to exist and even thought impossible by most people, F-117 stealth fighters were already flying over the American Southwest. According to Cook's The Hunt for Zero Point, one even crashed at Bakersfield, California in 1986, two years before they were unveiled to the public. So the US military may well have other denied aircraft in the sky today and perhaps similar crashes of "black" military projects could explain some of the many alleged UFO crashes over the last sixty years. In Cook's second documentary UFOs: The Secret Evidence, he speculates that the famous Roswell UFO incident could be such a case...........

It is Cook's book and second documentary that really deserve our attention. In these, Cook explored what is known in the defence business as "The Legend," that the Nazis had invented flying saucers in the dying days of the Second World War and that, after the war, the Allies captured them.

On the face of it at least, "The Legend" does provide a beautiful and down to Earth explanation for the origins of UFOs. We do Know that the Nazis were perhaps decades ahead of the Allies in terms of jet aircraft and rocket weaponry, and that, after the war, the Allies did capture a great deal of technology and personnel from Germany (for instance V-2 rockets and Wernher von Braun). We also know that the Nazis did have some exotic designs and ideas for aircraft and that, during the war, some very mysterious aerial phenomena was seen in the skies over Europe, such as the famous foo fighters. Further, soon after the captured German scientists arrived in the American Southwest after the war to work, the modern UFO era began and, in July 1947, a flying saucer allegedly crashed near Roswell, New Mexico........."

http://www.binnallofamerica.com/rr5.23.8.html

kooskoets

22-07-2010, 12:59 AM

luciferhorus

22-07-2010, 02:54 AM

Where did the building go ?

A lot of it blew away...no kidding.
The dust from concrete etc. was very fne...fine enough to not land on the stack.

And i read somewhere....WTC steel: used : 200.000 ton/shipped 180.000 ton.

Yes so the question you are suggesting is where did the missing 20,000 tons of steel go.

Obviously it must have been burned up by the jet fuel. :(

As I understand it Thermate only burns through a very small section of steel like a knive through butter and this would not account for 10% of the steel in the building going missing.

I am quite open to the possibility that advanced military technology was used such as direct energy weapons, and we know for the "fact" that the US state terrorists have been working on such technology, however it is quite another matter to prove that they were using such technology at the WTC.

btw : sr71 blackbird is a beauty...

http://www.reocities.com/~propilot/pictures/SR-71.jpg

Yes however I am quite sure that they have aircraft which are far in advance of even the blackbird.

It is quite well attested to that even in the 1960's that the US military were encouraging UFO conspiracy theorists in order to cover up their aeronautical research and development. I simply refuse to believe that the UFO phenomemon can be explained by "little green men" and I am entirely convinced that much of the "space alien" stuff that circulates the www and in publications is just US military disinformation and red herrings. There have been experiments going on with saucer shaped craft back to the Nazis in the 1940's and the fact that they can be seen and filmed in the sky is a testimony to the success of that project.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Ry1qE6bWL._AA240_.jpg

There are simply too many UFO sightings to discount them and they have a habit of appearing around US military bases such as Area 51 and so forth. I am entirely convinced that these signs in the sky have a perefectly non mysterious military and scientific explanation and that we are witnessing the preparations for Armageddon.

The "Crop Circle" phenomenon I believe is another military red herring. The UFO phenomenon shows that the US military have mastered the secrets of gravity. There is of corse the idea of "anti-gravity" that an object can be made immune from the effects of gravity; and the idea of creating a "negative mass" which would act against gravity in the opposite direction, however if a craft can also push "against" gravity to lift itself upwards, there must be a force pushing "downwards" underneath the craft and this is exactly what we see with the crop circle phenomenon. Gravity is also in itself a weapon which could be used to crush a person or a building if sufficient force was applied, and so I think that crushing a cornfield in a geometrical pattern would be entirely possible. I visited a rape seed field a few weeks ago with a complex crop circle and there was a girl in the middle of it claiming that it had been done by "angels." It is remarkable that in a post scientific world that persons would reach this conclusion rather than the more obvious conclusion that it was done by "devils (i.e., Capitalist Devils; the state terrorist military), but then again I think that such bizzare theories are exactly what the military elites want people to believe.

Lux

rodin

22-07-2010, 08:33 AM

I'm not specifying any particular type of energy weapon, but a few possible candidates could be, Gravitic weapons (unlikely) or Scalar weapons (more likely).

The US military must have one of these weapons or something very similar to it in nature. As the majority of all three buildings but especially the twin towers, turned into dust and vanished.

Conventional explosives, or thermite do not do that......energy weapons on the other hand do.

You do not know if energy weapons do this. And if so what kind of? where were they? satellite based? If so the source would move in orbit between collapses

Why don't you mention nuclear?

rodin

22-07-2010, 08:37 AM

Yes so the question you are suggesting is where did the missing 20,000 tons of steel go.

Obviously it must have been burned up by the jet fuel. :(

As I understand it Thermate only burns through a very small section of steel like a knive through butter and this would not account for 10% of the steel in the building going missing.

I am quite open to the possibility that advanced military technology was used such as direct energy weapons, and we know for the "fact" that the US state terrorists have been working on such technology, however it is quite another matter to prove that they were using such technology at the WTC.

Yes however I am quite sure that they have aircraft which are far in advance of even the blackbird.

It is quite well attested to that even in the 1960's that the US military were encouraging UFO conspiracy theorists in order to cover up their aeronautical research and development. I simply refuse to believe that the UFO phenomemon can be explained by "little green men" and I am entirely convinced that much of the "space alien" stuff that circulates the www and in publications is just US military disinformation and red herrings. There have been experiments going on with saucer shaped craft back to the Nazis in the 1940's and the fact that they can be seen and filmed in the sky is a testimony to the success of that project.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Ry1qE6bWL._AA240_.jpg

There are simply too many UFO sightings to discount them and they have a habit of appearing around US military bases such as Area 51 and so forth. I am entirely convinced that these signs in the sky have a perefectly non mysterious military and scientific explanation and that we are witnessing the preparations for Armageddon.

The "Crop Circle" phenomenon I believe is another military red herring. The UFO phenomenon shows that the US military have mastered the secrets of gravity. There is of corse the idea of "anti-gravity" that an object can be made immune from the effects of gravity; and the idea of creating a "negative mass" which would act against gravity in the opposite direction, however if a craft can also push "against" gravity to lift itself upwards, there must be a force pushing "downwards" underneath the craft and this is exactly what we see with the crop circle phenomenon. Gravity is also in itself a weapon which could be used to crush a person or a building if sufficient force was applied, and so I think that crushing a cornfield in a geometrical pattern would be entirely possible. I visited a rape seed field a few weeks ago with a complex crop circle and there was a girl in the middle of it claiming that it had been done by "angels." It is remarkable that in a post scientific world that persons would reach this conclusion rather than the more obvious conclusion that it was done by "devils (i.e., Capitalist Devils; the state terrorist military), but then again I think that such bizzare theories are exactly what the military elites want people to believe.

Lux

You know I agree with most of that. But not with Lucifer / Horus. Satan is the great deceiver

andrewjohnson

22-07-2010, 09:04 AM

What kind of energy weapons are you talking about?

Field-effect based weapons.

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/

If you want the background to all this, and why it is the only thing which explains the available evidence, please download stuff from this page:

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=238&Itemid=60

Thanks

ultima1

22-07-2010, 10:54 AM

kooskoets

22-07-2010, 03:52 PM

Yes so the question you are suggesting is where did the missing 20,000 tons of steel go.

Obviously it must have been burned up by the jet fuel. :(

As I understand it Thermate only burns through a very small section of steel like a knive through butter and this would not account for 10% of the steel in the building going missing.

I am quite open to the possibility that advanced military technology was used such as direct energy weapons, and we know for the "fact" that the US state terrorists have been working on such technology, however it is quite another matter to prove that they were using such technology at the WTC.

Those figures (200.000/180.000) should be regarded as rough estimates.

The diff. will be explained away in no time if that were necessary.
( tourists taking pieces of steel as souvenirs... :) )

And my guess for the weapons used : it was a mixture, a "weapon salad"
as someone else put it...

Mini nukes ( for the dustification of concrete etc ) with thermite/conventional explosives
and evt. some "secret stuff", whatever that may be.

Yes however I am quite sure that they have aircraft which are far in advance of even the blackbird.

It is quite well attested to that even in the 1960's that the US military were encouraging UFO conspiracy theorists in order to cover up their aeronautical research and development. I simply refuse to believe that the UFO phenomemon can be explained by "little green men" and I am entirely convinced that much of the "space alien" stuff that circulates the www and in publications is just US military disinformation and red herrings. There have been experiments going on with saucer shaped craft back to the Nazis in the 1940's and the fact that they can be seen and filmed in the sky is a testimony to the success of that project.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Ry1qE6bWL._AA240_.jpg

There are simply too many UFO sightings to discount them and they have a habit of appearing around US military bases such as Area 51 and so forth. I am entirely convinced that these signs in the sky have a perefectly non mysterious military and scientific explanation and that we are witnessing the preparations for Armageddon.

The "Crop Circle" phenomenon I believe is another military red herring. The UFO phenomenon shows that the US military have mastered the secrets of gravity. There is of corse the idea of "anti-gravity" that an object can be made immune from the effects of gravity; and the idea of creating a "negative mass" which would act against gravity in the opposite direction, however if a craft can also push "against" gravity to lift itself upwards, there must be a force pushing "downwards" underneath the craft and this is exactly what we see with the crop circle phenomenon. Gravity is also in itself a weapon which could be used to crush a person or a building if sufficient force was applied, and so I think that crushing a cornfield in a geometrical pattern would be entirely possible. I visited a rape seed field a few weeks ago with a complex crop circle and there was a girl in the middle of it claiming that it had been done by "angels." It is remarkable that in a post scientific world that persons would reach this conclusion rather than the more obvious conclusion that it was done by "devils (i.e., Capitalist Devils; the state terrorist military), but then again I think that such bizzare theories are exactly what the military elites want people to believe.

Lux

I think that the whole "gravity" ( and thus "anti-gravity" ) assumption is wrong. ( mass attracting mass for some mysterious reason ).
We might live in an electic universe.

And "they" might know how to use that and have created "ufo's" with that knowledge.
I have no doubt they have flying machines far more advanced than sr71.
Just the fact we know about sr71 should be enough...

ultima1

22-07-2010, 04:23 PM

The diff. will be explained away in no time if that were necessary.( tourists taking pieces of steel as souvenirs... :) )

Yes they walked away with tons of steel. :)

The only people accused of walking away with souvenirs were the FBI.

I have no doubt they have flying machines far more advanced than sr71. Just the fact we know about sr71 should be enough...

And how many years did it take for us to find out about the SR-71? (I believe they had to come out and admit to it becasue an airline pilot was going to say he saw one)

So it wil be several years untill we know about any new aircraft flying now.

ultima1

22-07-2010, 04:29 PM

As I understand it Thermate only burns through a very small section of steel like a knive through butter and this would not account for 10% of the steel in the building going missing.

Depending on the amount of thermite used, thermite will burn untill all the fuel is burned up.

That is why it was a theory for the reason the debris pile burned so hot for so long.

caper

22-07-2010, 04:36 PM

Yes I know for a fact that China and also Cuba are working on Direct Energy weapons; I have read reports in this in the media. This will change the future of warfare; such weapons are the equivalent to what the gattling gun was to the bow and arrow. With these weapons a single guerilla fighter can take on a giant army and commit genocide in a blink of an eye; there will simply be no advantage in having a large army of occupation; in fact it will become a disadvantage. Further since such DE (no projectile) weapons such as microwave weapons are powered by electricity, they can be fired endlessly until the electrical generator runs out of fuel. Unfortunately these weapons are also perfect for drone aircraft and tanks; future wars in the Capitalist's colonies could be fought by a controller sitting in front of a PC in a bunker half way around the world from the drone. This may well be part of the reason why the US state terrorists are building 100's of deep underground bunkers, since instead of "bombing" the Pentagon, a DE weapon could just be fired at it, killing every one inside.

The microwave weapon which the South Africans I knew were trying to market was actually a rather small device which ran off an electrical generator the size of a small van, and could target aircraft, but it could also be made to run off a car engine though it would have a less powerful effect. Further they discounted any possibility of being able to patent the device since the technology is quite common, simple to reproduce and patents on devices of such awesome power are generally not granted for security reasons, as anyone who could read the patent could copy it.

This unfortunately is the future of warfare.

In addition to this I believe that the "UFO" phenomenon can also be explained by US military research and secret project.

A recent development in UFO research has been the use of infra red lenses which are able to pick up craft shaped objects in the sky which cannot be seen with the naked eye. There are many strange signs in the sky, and unfortunately these appear to me to all be indications of the nature of future wars and of advanced military hardware.

Lux

Lux, I have seen Nick Cook's film. I found it to be more like misinformation than anything else.

While some UFO's maybe military, there are ones that aren't and they are ET in nature, the difference can usually be seen between the two.

If the US or anyone else for that matter, has energy weapons of such an advanced nature, it would indicate they are also not far off successfully duplicating alien tech. The two go hand in hand, especially gravitic weapons.

Guns are quite old fashioned in relation to what militaries have access to today. Of course all these sci-fi like weapons are denied and it's all on a need to know basis which keeps it all very low key.

And as a result they can use them without many people figuring out what the actual cause of the event or catastrophe is or was.

They are invinsible for the most part and not "officially" acknowledged, and thus cannot be taken seriously.

caper

22-07-2010, 04:41 PM

You do not know if energy weapons do this. And if so what kind of? where were they? satellite based? If so the source would move in orbit between collapses

Why don't you mention nuclear?

Either space based or aircraft based, both are a reality. There was an aircraft, a large white jet, spotted flying around the towers around the time of their collapse.

Nuclear wasn't used on 9/11. Nuclear leaves evidence, DEW doesn't on the other hand, the only evidence of DEW was the melted cars, trucks and a whole lot of missing engines. All of which has been destroyed now.

Nuclear is far too messy, too many variables.
.

ultima1

22-07-2010, 04:54 PM

Either space based or aircraft based, both are a reality. There was an aircraft, a large white jet, spotted flying around the towers around the time of their collapse.

I do believe there was a report that the airborne laser lab that the Russians have was mssing around 9/11.

macgyver1968

22-07-2010, 05:01 PM

So how do you generate the incredible amount of energy required to vaporize a building in a plane or satellite?

ultima1

22-07-2010, 05:04 PM

So how do you generate the incredible amount of energy required to vaporize a building in a plane or satellite?

Well all they need to do is destroy enough floors to cause a global collapse.

As stated all you to do is check out the DARPA site to see what projects they asre working on and they have an almost endless budget.

caper

22-07-2010, 05:05 PM

So how do you generate the incredible amount of energy required to vaporize a building in a plane or satellite?

There are two sciences, so to speak.

Science A is taught to the public at large and even in universities.

Science B is taught to extremely clever university students who are willing to sign the secrecy act.

And science B is radically different from science A.

This isn't a theory, this is a fact and a number fo people know this to be the case.

Plus, the miltary industrial complex and black-ops research is much further advanced than most are willing to believe.

caper

22-07-2010, 05:07 PM

I do believe there was a report that the airborne laser lab that the Russians have was mssing around 9/11.

Quite possibly, but there would be no need to steal such a device, the US have their own.

ultima1

22-07-2010, 05:07 PM

Plus, the miltary industrial complex and black-ops research is much further advanced than most are willing to believe.

As stated all you to do is check out the DARPA site to see what projects they asre working on and they have an almost endless budget.

ultima1

22-07-2010, 05:08 PM

Quite possibly, but there would be no need to steal such a device, the US have their own.

Oh i know, i am just posting what that i saw a report about it, i do not know if i can find it again.

caper

22-07-2010, 05:10 PM

As stated all you to do is check out the DARPA site to see what projects they asre working on and they have an almost endless budget.

Yes, the stuff that they talk about in interviews and in documents is verging on sci-fi, but the stuff they actually have, the classified stuff.....is something else completely.

apollo_gnomon

22-07-2010, 07:32 PM

There are two sciences, so to speak.

Science A is taught to the public at large and even in universities.

Science B is taught to extremely clever university students who are willing to sign the secrecy act.

And science B is radically different from science A.

This isn't a theory, this is a fact and a number fo people know this to be the case.

Plus, the miltary industrial complex and black-ops research is much further advanced than most are willing to believe.

Can you provide any proof of the rather unbelievable claim bolded above?

frenat

22-07-2010, 07:39 PM

And how many years did it take for us to find out about the SR-71? (I believe they had to come out and admit to it becasue an airline pilot was going to say he saw one)

So it wil be several years untill we know about any new aircraft flying now.
Actually the SR-71 was revealed to the public in July 1964, by then President Johnson to counter criticism that the Russians were ahead in research and development. This was 5 months before the SR-71 first flew in December 1964 and a year and a half before it entered service and two years after the first flight of its predecessor the A-12. This of course means absolutely nothing about any other aircraft they may or may not have.

caper

22-07-2010, 08:53 PM

Can you provide any proof of the rather unbelievable claim bolded above?

As in...what? A document or blueprint snuck out from the lab? Not likely.

A number of people know this, outside the circle, but of course there is no concrete proof, and anyone who had had any proof, would be quickly relieved of it.

Watch these.
Bruce Cathie - The Harmonic Code UFO documentary - YouTube

Bruce Cathie Special Interview UFO's - YouTube

apollo_gnomon

22-07-2010, 08:58 PM

As in...what? A document or blueprint snuck out from the lab? Not likely.

A number of people know this, outside the circle, but of course there is no concrete proof, and anyone who had had any proof, would be quickly relieved of it.

Watch these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdBif_7UNfo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrFcZyQXnHY&feature=related

I can't watch the vids right now because I'm on the computer that feeds music to the transmitter I run for my neighborhood pirate FM station. Do they pertain directly to the above claim about hidden science?

ultima1

23-07-2010, 12:16 AM

Actually the SR-71 was revealed to the public in July 1964, by then President Johnson to counter criticism that the Russians were ahead in research and development. This was 5 months before the SR-71 first flew in December 1964 and a year and a half before it entered service and two years after the first flight of its predecessor the A-12. This of course means absolutely nothing about any other aircraft they may or may not have.

But there was also a story that the airline pilot threatened to tell that he saw one so they decided to go ahead and let the public know. He probly saw an A-12 or an early SR-71. The A-12 was mainly built for the CIA.

The plane that Johnson talked about was actually called the RS-71 but he got it backwards so they went ahead and named the later planes SR-71.

frenat

23-07-2010, 02:02 AM

But there was also a story that the airline pilot threatened to tell that he saw one so they decided to go ahead and let the public know. He probly saw an A-12 or an early SR-71. The A-12 was mainly built for the CIA.

Never heard that story. Seems doubtful as it would be easy to keep civilian traffic away from the plane as it would only be near the same altitude while taking off, landing or refueling.

The plane that Johnson talked about was actually called the RS-71 but he got it backwards so they went ahead and named the later planes SR-71.
Wrong. The press thought he got it wrong because their copy of his speech said RS-71 which was an early name for it. Johnson read his speech correctly.

Air Force Chief of Staff General Curtis LeMay preferred the SR (Strategic Reconnaissance) designation and wanted the RS-71 to be named SR-71. Before the July speech, LeMay lobbied to modify Johnson's speech to read SR-71 instead of RS-71. The media transcript given to the press at the time still had the earlier RS-71 designation in places, creating the myth that the president had misread the aircraft's designation.

From here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sr-71#Background
referenced here
http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/nonstandard-mds.html#_MDS_SR71

heartysoup

23-07-2010, 02:14 AM

So how do you generate the incredible amount of energy required to vaporize a building in a plane or satellite?

I don't really know...

But you can probably generate it elsewhere, and transmit it to some kind of device.

Remember that Hurricane Erin was generating a huge static field around NYC at the time.

This, together with something like high intensity RF and microwaves, can "dustify" materials...

And I guess the effects on the material are controlled by the frequencies/modulations of the sources, which create an interference (leading to the dustification of the target (interference zone).

At least that what I gather. :)

Find the interviews in here with John Hutchison; and you might get a better understanding then myself:....

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=67

And it's true about the white plane... it was all over the place that day.
Maybe it was just the 'operation control' and not a source of energy; I don't know.

caper

23-07-2010, 07:41 AM

I can't watch the vids right now because I'm on the computer that feeds music to the transmitter I run for my neighborhood pirate FM station. Do they pertain directly to the above claim about hidden science?

Yes, the secret science is mentioned and a little bit is explained about how and why it works.