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limelady

23-02-2007, 03:48 PM

UK citizens, please take a minute to sign this important petition
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/No2Microchipping/

h1s_l0rdsh1p

23-02-2007, 03:54 PM

I would love to sign.

Better yet, I would rather have a big demonstration against it.

However, I'm not a UK citizen, so I am very sorry that I can't help. :(

midwich cuckoo

23-02-2007, 03:56 PM

I will of course sign it, but yet again this petition will be ignored, mark my words!. :mad:

Edit: have a read of this -

Blair Does It Yet Again (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=1263)

brians201

23-02-2007, 05:00 PM

UK citizens, please take a minute to sign this important petition
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/No2Microchipping/

Come on you Brits ............ get on this one and circulate it to all. It needs 750,000 before they eill even pay lip servive !!

truthseeker1980

23-02-2007, 05:54 PM

lilloz

23-02-2007, 06:53 PM

Thanks limelady i have signed it for me and my family xx

eternal_spirit

23-02-2007, 09:10 PM

Sticky this...

schizophrenia is the correct way to spell it dude. :D

deca

23-02-2007, 09:19 PM

yep I will sign and let people know about microchipping lots of people I have talked to have not heard of it or whats coming there way in the uk..they think big brother is a data base and a couple of cameras to catch crimals and terrorests and if you are agaisnt it you are one of them.

lookfar

23-02-2007, 11:09 PM

Thanks for the link Lime :D :D

Signed & circulated :) This needs to be a sticky for sure!!!

limelady

23-02-2007, 11:14 PM

Thanks for the link Lime :D :D

Signed & circulated :) This needs to be a sticky for sure!!!

Done! :D

Since this is the David Icke forum and microchipping humans is something David has been warning us all against for many years, I felt it was a fitting tribute to him to make this petition a sticky.

Lime

lookfar

24-02-2007, 12:15 AM

Done! :D

Since this is the David Icke forum and microchipping humans is something David has been warning us all against for many years, I felt it was a fitting tribute to him to make this petition a sticky.

Lime

Nice one Lime, thanks :D

Let's get this one circulated everyone - it's important we do something about this before it's too late!!! Let's hope to see David's name on there sometime soon too :)

mari

25-02-2007, 03:48 PM

I've signed, though my family think I'm nuts to even THINK about the possibility of microchipping. They refuse to read anything which threatens to make them think outside of their box. Why is it that some people wont even read stuff like this, & that the only way I can commune with like-thinkers is via the Internet? Hmmm?
What the hell did we do before this marvellous life-saver?

deca

25-02-2007, 03:56 PM

I live in the north west too. Same problem hard to find like minded people too.
Might be good idea to set up some kind of local meetings.

notaslave

25-02-2007, 04:24 PM

deca

25-02-2007, 04:31 PM

I am a TI they have my details, Hope more goverment agencies come after me and trip themselves up...It will waste more of there money and time hehehe.

notaslave

25-02-2007, 04:44 PM

They pay no attention to what we think. Their arrogance is such that they do what they like and know that most will moan but will obey, because most are living in a trance working and watching television and trying to distract their minds from the awful truth of their lives.

lookfar

25-02-2007, 04:56 PM

I also was a bit apprehensive when I saw they wanted personal details. But also thought the same & signed it. What the heck, you're only saying you're against being microchipped, which I'm sure a lot of the population are.

If we all sit back and do nothing, then it won't be long until this will be forced upon us, all in the name of safety & protection of course! I for one don't wish to see that happen.

Regarding them having access to your info, I'm sure by just appearing on this forum alone, there's a trace already set up for them to see if they choose, plus all the other websites that we access. It's not worth worrying about really.

limelady

25-02-2007, 10:37 PM

Sorry I wont sign but I will protest on the street when it comes to it.

I only sign petitions that non-government organisations hold as they tend not to pass on your full details. Even then I rarely sign them.

I refuse to sign any on government pages for all I know they are collating a database of dissenters and I am not for making it too easy for them. LOL

Hello notaslave. Upon reading your post, in the nicest possible way I beg to differ regarding your "Not a slave" name. While you may not consider yourself a "slave" to the 'system' on one level, you most certainly are a slave to fear. How do the controllers control humanity? How have they always controlled humanity? Yes, FEAR.

FEAR IS THE SYSTEM!

You are still a slave because you have not yet learnt to suspend all your fears and live a life of spiritual freedom. As long as fear rules your life (and the decisions you make because of it) you will continue to be a slave to the system and easily controlled.

While you may be reluctant to put your personal details to a petition, here's the rub. The the various inteligence agencies ALREADY have access to ALL your private details. We have intelligence goons on this forum, as does every other conspiracy chat forum on the internet. They are monitoring what we talk about constantly - its their profession. While you may think your forum nickname protects you by giving you annonominity, you are wrong. These inteligence goons have immediate accessTO ALL YOUR DETAILS anytime they want them via backdoor internet tracing that folks like you and I don't have access to. They are experts at this.

Also, have you ever heard of ECHELON?
Echelon (signals intelligence) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Every private email you've ever written, and every private phonecall you've ever made has already been through the Eschelon spy system network, and if you've ever uttered or written one of their may "key words", your correspondence will have triggered their alarm system......after which you communications will have been set aside and fully scrutinized, and your personal details analysed. If indeed they ARE keeping a data base of people who oppose 'the system', then odds are your name is already on it, along with many thousands of other people on chat forums etc.

My point is, you might as well just sign the petition because they already know who you are anyway.

Release your fears people and remember infinate love is the only truth, everything else is an illusion.

Best
Lime

lookfar

25-02-2007, 11:00 PM

Hello notaslave. Upon reading your post, in the nicest possible way I beg to differ regarding your "Not a slave" name. While you may not consider yourself a "slave" to the 'system' on one level, you most certainly are a slave to fear. How do the controllers control humanity? How have they always controlled humanity? Yes, FEAR.

FEAR IS THE SYSTEM!

You are still a slave because you have not yet learnt to suspend all your fears and live a life of spiritual freedom. As long as fear rules your life (and the decisions you make because of it) you will continue to be a slave to the system and easily controlled.

While you may be reluctant to put your personal details to a petition, here's the rub. The the various inteligence agencies ALREADY have access to ALL your private details. We have intelligence goons on this forum, as does every other conspiracy chat forum on the internet. They are monitoring what we talk about constantly - its their profession. While you may think your forum nickname protects you by giving you annonominity, you are wrong. These inteligence goons have immediate accessTO ALL YOUR DETAILS anytime they want them via backdoor internet tracing that folks like you and I don't have access to. They are experts at this.

Also, have you ever heard of ECHELON?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

Every private email you've ever written, and every private phonecall you've ever made has already been through the Eschelon spy system network, and if you've ever uttered or written one of their may "key words", your correspondence will have triggered their alarm system......after which you communications will have been set aside and fully scrutinized, and your personal details analysed. If indeed they ARE keeping a data base of people who oppose 'the system', then odds are your name is already on it, along with many thousands of other people on chat forums etc.

My point is, you might as well just sign the petition because they already know who you are anyway.

Release your fears people and remember infinate love is the only truth, everything else is an illusion.

Best
Lime

Great post Lime :)

We can't let fear stop us from opposing things like this - we'd be playing right into their hands, it's exactly what they want!

It needs lots more names - only 348 so far....

mari

25-02-2007, 11:35 PM

mari

25-02-2007, 11:55 PM

I think it also helps if you have a naturally enquiring mind & a degree of free-thinking. As a child even, I always felt on the edge of things 'popular' & would think that I was 'weird' because I could see through it all. I was still quite popular at school & work, though, because I very quickly learned to keep my mouth shut rather than go against the grain - as you do. Not any more!

Long before the Internet, I had always had a healthy skepticism of what I heard/read - gotten from my dad, who must've started the whole 'Moon Landing Fakery' thingy off by describing, way back in 1969, as 'utter bollocks' to the news of the moon landings. My mum wasn't far behind him, either. How they would've loved the skeptical climate of today!

mari

26-02-2007, 12:31 AM

Absolutely. There will come a point when they will no longer be able to deny what's around them, then our job will be easier.

jologriffiths

26-02-2007, 01:37 AM

Please don't hold back signing petitions etc. thats exactly what they want you to do, I'm with Limelady on this one, fear binds us to the system[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] we need to show them that they are outnumbered and that we are not afraid, we have the right to voice our opinions and we still have the freedom to do it, lets do it now while we can.
If you understand the power we really have you will have no fear, meditate on this and gather your strength to harness light. Your mental abilities are real, confidence is good...now is the time to connect our positive energies. This year is an important year for consciousness we have an opportunity to affect many individuals with our vision of harmony, remember the 100th monkey?

tonto o_reilly

26-02-2007, 01:45 AM

Absolutely!!
Great post
Welcome to the forum jologriffiths :)

TO

notaslave

26-02-2007, 12:48 PM

chester

26-02-2007, 01:03 PM

wizard

27-02-2007, 03:54 PM

tk__

28-02-2007, 02:47 AM

mari

28-02-2007, 11:20 AM

the chip isn't for us or even our kids' generation, it's the generation after, when it is 'normal' and the only choice if you need to buy food/water, and if you don't have a chip...well, then, you die.

A while ago I thought this too. However, I'm putting all my money on the coming 'Ascension', when Earth will complete her 'cleansing' & those of humanity who've managed to raise their vibration along with her will ascend accordingly. Everything else which doesn't 'resonate' with the new 4th/5th dimension will 'go elsewhere'. So, that includes the power-crazy Illuminati, et al! Unless, of course they clean up their act........:rolleyes:

There are many sites dedicated to this subject to choose from, so I wont include a link here, as everyone has to find THE ascension site which resonates with them. As ever, it is prudent to practise discernment, & to go with what feels right with you.
2012 aficionados will recognise this is due to happen on/around said date

tk__

28-02-2007, 11:06 PM

A while ago I thought this too. However, I'm putting all my money on the coming 'Ascension', when Earth will complete her 'cleansing' & those of humanity who've managed to raise their vibration along with her will ascend accordingly. Everything else which doesn't 'resonate' with the new 4th/5th dimension will 'go elsewhere'. So, that includes the power-crazy Illuminati, et al! Unless, of course they clean up their act........:rolleyes:

There are many sites dedicated to this subject to choose from, so I wont include a link here, as everyone has to find THE ascension site which resonates with them. As ever, it is prudent to practise discernment, & to go with what feels right with you.
2012 aficionados will recognise this is due to happen on/around said date

2012 imho is nothing more than the changing of the earth's axis & shifting magnetic poles, as has happened for millenia. there will be another 'great flood'. people will be looking for an explanation to these events, explaining them in terms they understand, like 'spiritual ascension', 'the coming of the 5th dimension' or whatever, as they have for thousands of year.s

happyone

01-03-2007, 09:32 AM

Ok i have signed, but does anyone think they will take the slightest bit of notice? They ignored the voices of millions when they invaded Iraq. All we can hope is that enough people are awake enough to see that the id card is the first step towards the microchip and have nothing to do with it.

We all have a voice, we will always have a voice...it's when you chose to stop believing in that they win. Stand up, sign petitions u believe in, forward them on to freinds & family, post them here so others know about them too. Never stop fighting for what u believe in no matter what the odds & never believe that one person doesn't make a difference regardless of what events are going on around us because they do & YOU DO make a difference!

misscpb

01-03-2007, 11:13 PM

UK citizens, please take a minute to sign this important petition
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/No2Microchipping/

I have just signed it. Again like many other people I feel that it will somehow be wiped under the carpet despite people protesting. But I do feel that the energy generated to bring about change will take some kind of effect.

lottie

04-03-2007, 02:58 PM

Wel its got 475 signatures so far-(mine included) and its open till feb 2008- this year is going to accelerate peoples awareness of the global agenda (imo) so i think that over the next year- we'll be pleasantly surprised at how many signatures it gets- i have hope!! look at the way the media are beginning to finally portray the 'big brother state' we are headed for- its slowly but surely getting 'out there'!! im optomistic!!:D

terry wogan

08-03-2007, 09:54 PM

UK citizens, please take a minute to sign this important petition
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/No2Microchipping/

No. Personally I believe it to be a credible idea. Only those who have got something to hide would not take part in voluntary chipping themselves.

limelady

08-03-2007, 10:44 PM

No. Personally I believe it to be a credible idea. Only those who have got something to hide would not take part in voluntary chipping themselves.

Oh dear!

Sounds as though its all a bit late for our terry.......he's already a mind-slave!

lookfar

24-03-2007, 09:05 PM

Just checked the site & there's only 529 votes so far, it's not looking good :(

zircon

19-04-2007, 08:50 PM

I've added mine but wondered if anyone saw my previous post here about biometric chips, copied just here :

Behind the smoke and mirrors there is a definite gameplan. I recently heard of a woman in Belgium who was petitioning against the enforced introduction of identity cards with the new biometric chip in it; because she continually refused to comply, the police were sent in, forced their way into the house without a warrant, seized her children's and husband's computers and called them terrorists. I am trying to find the details.
Security company Ubizen, which worked on Belgium's electronic ID card scheme, said a biometric card will not tackle terrorism and crime. Bart Vansevenant, director of security strategy at Ubizen, argued the card could not stop international terrorists, who would probably enter the UK on a foreign passport anyway.

"You will not solve terrorism or immigration by introducing biometrics to a card. Why put biometrics on an ID card? It costs you a hell of a lot of money and there are equipment, support and administration problems," he said.

By the way, in a recent interview on the BBC Politics Show, Tony blair said about i/d cards, "If the technology is there, why not use it?"

So, by this argument, if the technology is there to make a nuclear bomb, why not use it? Or, if we have the technology to clone people, why not use it?

If our "elected leaders" don't know the difference between doing something just because we can, and stopping to ask whether this is right, we have a big problem. And they are telling us that they are ready to begin!
As Blair said in the interview with John Soper, what he decides to do, is "for me to know and for you to find out". That really fills me with confidence - that he is doing what HE believes "to be right in this job" but not what is good, in any shape, manner of form.

phoenix1

28-04-2007, 06:11 PM

Done , how longs this been here ...I like totally missed till today

Like Lookfar said i'm glad its stickied.:D :D

You can put La La Land as anadrees too if you want, and a bum postcode.

Not that they cant tag your ip though.:mad:

auron

28-04-2007, 07:09 PM

If people don't want their IP traced, there is a program called "Hide IP". I use it and when i goto a website that you can check your IP with, i live in China it says!

http://www.hide-ip-soft.com/hide-ip-platinum/

jojo

01-05-2007, 09:04 PM

Ive done it.
I do think the micro chip will only have a solid effect on the sheeple population, who are not living life through their conciseness, rather the ones who never think of anything other than money, sex and eastenders! The mind slaves who sleep their way through life. The chip will have grate effect on those types.
I feel it will not have such an dramatic effect on people who are aware of the manipulation and the true nature of reality. (like the ones reading this web site) Their consciousnesses are in control and a micro chip cannot control infinite consciousness. They know this, hence the petition will not mean a jot to them. They just want to get as may humans chipped asap. The more people who awaken the harder it will be for the controllers.

lookfar

01-05-2007, 10:48 PM

Still only got 568 names - not good :( Unfortunately this doesn't look like it's going anywhere... what a shame!!

shodan

05-05-2007, 08:11 PM

Still only got 568 names - not good Unfortunately this doesn't look like it's going anywhere... what a shame!!

Hi Lookfar,

It is a bit disheartening, but I think its because its not in the psyche of the country.......yet. Once it is, more people will sign. There has to be a breakthrough in this area, like a channel 4 documentary of the same quality as the 'Great Global Warming Swindle'.

My intuition is telling me the UK is on the verge of a mass awakening

aventurine

06-05-2007, 09:50 PM

My intuition is telling me the UK is on the verge of a mass awakening

Let's seriously hope you are right.;)

lookfar

06-05-2007, 10:51 PM

Hi Lookfar,

It is a bit disheartening, but I think its because its not in the psyche of the country.......yet. Once it is, more people will sign. There has to be a breakthrough in this area, like a channel 4 documentary of the same quality as the 'Great Global Warming Swindle'.

My intuition is telling me the UK is on the verge of a mass awakening

Hi shodan

I certainly hope that's the case & it happens soon.

I've just checked out the link again & came across the petition to stop restrictions on public photography (which is doing well with 66,633 names so far...oooh numerology there, LOL!), so I've just signed that one too.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Photography/

Let's hope the microchipping one goes just as well....

lottie

06-05-2007, 11:02 PM

lookfar

06-05-2007, 11:05 PM

i signed that one Lookfar and they sent me back an email from 10 downing street saying that it was unlikely that public photography wil be banned due to the response recieved so far! just hada look and cant find the email i must have deleted it!

Oh thanks, that's good news honey :D The petition is still live though, wonder why they haven't closed it if that's the case?

Am thinking of putting some flyers up for this microchipping petition... what do you reckon.... fancy distributing some with me???:)

ztevie

09-07-2007, 11:04 PM

This poll is a good measurement for the goverment to see there is actually not much men want microchip, so the scary part is what are they gonna do, to reverse the poll... (P-R-S technic)

Just like go to war, i am sure over 50% don;t want too, again, just tell your own country is being attacked and those who said no before, will now say go!

gold

13-07-2007, 02:08 PM

I've signed, But my only concern is, they may be able to implant molecule sized microchips in us without our knowledge, via vaccinations. If not us our children!

lightbeing

13-07-2007, 04:16 PM

I've signed, But my only concern is, they may be able to implant molecule sized microchips in us without our knowledge, via vaccinations. If not us our children!

Unfortunately, you are right, they have nano technology............:(

lookfar

13-07-2007, 04:30 PM

I've just checked the petition again & there are still only 624 names on it :(

ngawaka19

14-07-2007, 01:46 PM

Thanks limelady,

taken me a while to see this, i bin flatak, only saw this thread by chance when doing a quick look in.
a topic close to my heart, they still want to microchip my dog. someone said to have him shipped out to a friend in the country, and when they coma lookin, say he died. wish it was that easy for us.
arohanui
ngawaka19

chandrakavi

26-07-2007, 10:23 AM

Ir would be interesting having a petition where if you are not from the UK, you can sign your name and write the Country you are from,
a WORLD WIDE PETITION, not just local, which limits everything.

To HAVE BOTH. No exclusion. We are all interconected.

julieray

26-07-2007, 06:22 PM

I have earlier today, tried to add mine and my husband's names to this petition, but when you type in the details and submit, it says that an e-mail will be sent shortly to confirm you wish to be added - well I never got that e-mail.

I am just wandering if this is the reason why there aren't enough names on this petition!!! I will try again, but for the two of us, is very strange indeed.

It would be beneficial, as Chandrakavi has said, if a petition could be drawn up which could be a world wide objection - afterall, they are trying to establish a New World Order - let us establish a NWO Objection to Microchipping.

http://www.jamescasbolt.com/mannequin.htm

If anything could give us hope then read this re the Star Nation

alpha

27-07-2007, 03:00 PM

ive signed it to and have told everyone i can think of to do the same.:D:D:D

alpha

28-07-2007, 01:27 AM

hi did any one else see the program on "the one show" the other day about the latest devices to keep our children safe?.belts with telephone devices, alsorts of stuff, and then, microchipping yer kids! apparently one mother thought itr a grand plan! i talked to my friend about it who isnt informed at present and she said she thoght maddie macans parentsmight think it a good plan considering what happened to her!!! she is dead sound my mate and after i talked to her about "certain information she has obviously changed her view. what freaks me is the fact that i know her really well and shes a really good person and a lot of folk take this manipulation as the truth! as i once did and i am so happy to say not any more! hey guys! im spreading the word to anyone thats listening and their all changing their views! surely with correct information many more will and guess wot!! im telling all that will listen!!! hey, doin the best i can;)

shodan

28-07-2007, 04:09 AM

what freaks me is the fact that i know her really well and shes a really good person and a lot of folk take this manipulation as the truth! as i once did and i am so happy to say not any more! hey guys! im spreading the word to anyone thats listening and their all changing their views! surely with correct information many more will and guess wot!! im telling all that will listen!!! hey, doin the best i can

Hey Alpha, thats great and inspiring :) I think I'm on the verge of waking up both my parents and a very close friend. I've been trying for about a year and I tell ya there's been tears and big downers along the way. If you havn't stumbled across ZEITGEIST yet
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
check it out its a great movie for showing people and covers the microchip agenda superbly at the end. Enjoy.

melika

09-08-2007, 04:45 PM

julieray

10-08-2007, 02:41 PM

i heard if you're microchipped and you go agaiunst the law or you speak out about the truth, or just do something to agravat the government, they will turn off the microchip, what does that mean? will it kill you or will it be like you dont exist?:confused:

With a bit of luck, we shall never have to answer that question because it will be dead in the water before it has a chance to get off the ground. In one of the video clips I saw, it said that the chip will not be forced on mankind, we will beg to have it because of the terror!!! We will just have to make sure we wake everyone up so that this does not come to pass!!!

starseed_fumetto

31-08-2007, 11:23 AM

i am sorry... i am from italy and i can´t sign up... maybe somebody know a petition were can evribody sign up?? or a italian petition ?

geronimo

01-09-2007, 12:29 AM

UK citizens, please take a minute to sign this important petition
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/No2Microchipping/

I already did, regardless of whether anything will be done, signing something like that is always worth it. Perhaps one day there will be so many petitions delivered to No. 10 that it will be impossible to get out of the door, and the wheels of this unbelievably corrupt government will grind to a halt.

Here's dreaming...

geronimo

geronimo

14-09-2007, 07:49 PM

........If our "elected leaders" don't know the difference between doing something just because we can, and stopping to ask whether this is right, we have a big problem. And they are telling us that they are ready to begin!
As Blair said in the interview with John Soper, what he decides to do, is "for me to know and for you to find out". That really fills me with confidence - that he is doing what HE believes "to be right in this job" but not what is good, in any shape, manner of form.

Good post. I signed this some while ago, not because I naively thought Tony Bliar would do anything about it, of course he won't; too late, he's now enjoying all the financial benefits and Vatican arse-licking due to Illuminati liars and hypocrites who fulfill their allotted tasks. What has he done?
1) advance the neo-stalinist/fascist police state in the UK several 'totalitarian tiptoes' down the road, 2) introduce mandatory flouride into UK water supplies, 3) ID cards, so our identities can be sold to 40 different coorporations, 4) no to a referendum about the critical issue of an imminent EU dictatorship, 5) Indefinite detention for 'Terrorist suspects' who could easily be you and me, and now, the magic icing on the cake, a soon-to-be compulsory '4-in-one' lethal cocktail MMR/tetanus jab which causes all that lovely autism and brain damage. When scientists disagree with the agenda? first discredit, then fire them, just like the GM scientist who warned about GM potatoes and rats; now this is followed up by a torrent of corroborative info from campaigner Jeffrey Smith, with the exact same
pattern of ignoring, then discrediting the 'offending' researchers.
Hawaii is now tragically contaminated with DU, has been since world war II. Two of the Hawaiian islands are being used for GM research by Monsanto -and since it has now been proved that mice born to GM corn fed mothers have their reproductive ability damaged, it's not such a long shot to recognise that we are ALL potential targets of a coldly calculated eugenics operation.
Of course we are watched. When the mouse becomes the cat, it's the watcher who starts to become afraid. It's precisely because of this, and because we understand the game plan, that we should NOT be afraid to speak out and communicate openly. Just imagine, what would be the result if everyone understood this. The Illuminati want to SHUT DOWN open communication on the Internet - Bliar has called for Chinese-style controls. Why? because we can network, start to 'remember' oneness. Then, who has the 'power'? their so-called power will become the paper tiger that it already is, and everyone will start to recognise it - a nightmare scenario for the string-pullers.
One man who has made a very interesting study of power, and who has it, is the remote viewer Ingo Swann. Ingo recognised early on that power 'belongs' to an elite few, and that this situation very much depends on a large number of powerless people remaining in that condition - not merely that, but that the power of the few is at the expense of the powerless, and various techniques were developed to ensure that the average individual was disconnected from their own sense of power. He then made the suggestion that if everyone was fully aware of their own power - a subject, of course, which is nowhere taught - power as we understand it would cease to exist, or, we would have to relate to another in very different ways from the horrendous 'system' currently set up.

geronimo

phoenix1

15-09-2007, 11:01 AM

I've just checked the petition again & there are still only 624 names on it :(

Well thats apathy for you eh ??... but petitions are petitions ... does anyone bother ?? I do , Its the "hope" on petitions that kills ya !! Paradox really eh .. I sighned it a good while back, I KNOW nobody in Goverments will take the slightesr action .even if there where 10,000,000 signatures on it. Thier crashing down Agenda will try as hard as possible to make it happen.

But its falling down allready.. none of this can hold water anymore.. Its OUT time for The Age Of The Fish.... and this shit will be going out with it. YAY!! I see the Dawn allready from here. (stormy atrenoon and night... clear blue day...eventually) All is In Order.. under Divine Law..not immediatly obvious (to some) but its in order. This 3D "tieng" is going bye byes!! cool .

i heard if you're microchipped and you go agaiunst the law or you speak out about the truth, or just do something to agravat the government, they will turn off the microchip, what does that mean? will it kill you or will it be like you dont exist?:confused:

D.A.R.P.A or Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)

http://www.darpa.mil/ Make some shit I can tell ya that..

Also This Is worth looking at If you want some more info Melika (and Deca)
http://us-government-torture.com/
The animation on the right shows first directed energy coming from the top left corner of the diagram.

The radio frequency energy impacts the body and spreads into the body as any antenna.

The implants seen as dark black dots are energized like an RFID where the impacting energy may as a rule have an (electronic encoded binary combination lock) that the transmission activates to open the implants circuit for charging it and giving it commands to release stored electrical energy. The energy the implant outputs has been observed by an IEEE compliant instrument that can be seen on http://www.mdspec.com ; such energy can be outputted at specific frequencies on command and can even be caused to go off by a timer inside the implant. The energy seen as a red beam from the top left corner can be of high enough power to cause immediate harm; it can also be of a low power that is received by the implants and trickle charges the implants storage capacitor for later discharging into the body's tissues.

Once charged the implants can output low frequencies that will transverse the interior of the body. The implants can also emit higher frequency which will migrate to the body's surface and cause heating of the skin; this effect is often misunderstood and thought to be from the directed energy itself instead of from an internal source.

1

The implants can be triggered by timer or activated by low power signal. Upon being triggered to output their electrical energy in the form of raw milliamp current or radio frequency; both outputs can cause various symptoms and effects.

Symptoms from pulses from implants would be hearing voices or noise that can be emitted real time from the originating transmitter; also such audio can be from the cochlea or brain stem implants having a memory like a digital tape recorder playing stored audio tracks.

Further symptoms can be concentration problems from electrical discharge heating or frequency outputs from the implants in the ears and forehead. Such outputs are anticipated that for example the ears and forehead implant act in concert with each other during emission of electrical discharges where they have opposing polarities allowing one ears output electrodes to be positive and the forehead implants electrodes to be negative causing a current flow across the brain tissue thereby effecting various disabilities of thought and reason. Reduction of reason and concentration can leave the victim in a state that resembles insanity, schizophrenia and other psychotic conditions.

Implanted devices as described can be used to cause blindness in one or both eyes by overloading the optic nerve or nerves thereby stopping the neuron transmissions from the retina from passing on into the brain.

Implants Installed in the arms to cause extreme pain, it appears that such a choice of position is in some ways related to multiple use, for example to cause a person to writhe in agony while their brain is heated thereby wiping their minds of long and short term memory. In fact its anticipated a primary use is to reduce the individual to a point where their minds are wiped clean, similar to mkultra tests of wiping the minds of persons experimented so as to replace it with new information. However the purpose we have seen it put to is to torture the victim to cause them to want to commit suicide.

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Implants can be triggered to output electrical energy that has two implants complimenting each other so that one implant is positive and the other is negative. This allows for the milliamp energy to affect a specific area of the body.

As a primary antagonist in causing sensitization of the individual and to be possibly one of the most important effects is to have the intestine track energized so that the needed bacteria necessary for healt are killed off leaving that organs interior open for opportunistic bacterial growth that leaves the entire body and nervous system in a toxic state.

Of course the debilitation of organs is primary in causing illness as can easily be understood as part of the pattern of operating an attack. Frequencies chosen are believed also to play a part in interferrence with organ function to cause varied illness'es so that medical profession at large does not see redundant illness. For specifics on this read the following page for further details. http://us-government-torture.com/symptoms.html

It must be understood that such as is described here can be done without implants from a local position to the attacked individual. A person suspecting they are implanted could leve the area of their home and travel a bit, if the symptoms persist it would likely be from an implanted device.

The issue of whether an implant is also present can be verified by using the www.mdspec.com detection instrument several countermeasures are being patented to aid in countering the new scourge of mankind "induced illness.

Lovely people eh ?? The fuckers who dream this shit up !!

http://us-government-torture.com/Animation1.gif

http://us-government-torture.com/painconfusewipefin.gif

http://us-government-torture.com/bodydamagefin.gif

SYMPTOMS and COUNERACTING ELECTONIC ATTACK... (Are you a targetted individulal like Deca ??) Then Check this .. http://www.md-spec.com/

Ive heard it said also they can just "switch you right off" and heared that CRACK Millita Units and Agents Provocaters are obliged to have these "Termination Chips"
For every 1 year of releades technology... the US military advance 40. Think on that one.

Also think what hey have feveloped that tie into RFID that we are NOT shown.. don't think they aint got it for one moment. They can see a dime on your floor in your house from space.!! OH yeah .. they have the kit allright.:mad:

In one of the video clips I saw, it said that the chip will not be forced on mankind, we will beg to have it because of the terror!!! We will just have to make sure we wake everyone up so that this does not come to pass!!!

Agreed Julie.. If they can't "sell it" to us .. which of course they will and are attempting to, with many allready chipped, and yes , the unwitting will be begging for "protection and security through PRS...

Sure deffinately draw attention to this... dont have the chip.. at any cost..

If that stuff helped anyone ... Im sure glad.

Namaste..

Phoenix

chicken

15-09-2007, 02:33 PM

Hi - I am chicken from the UK - I am also a targeted individual. I actually believe I was targeted for a specific reason. One of these implants induces mental health like symptoms. I know it is not a psychosis as all targets discuss high sex drives as a result. Or electronic rape which is not nice at all. You discuss/mention the concept of illness - the electromagnetic energy in the body if excedes the recomended dose can eventually kill off the nerves and stop all feeling in the attacked area.

I found this out via a site which was discussing the pros and cons of electromagnet therapy. There is a site which has the history of the said healing - connected to 'TESLA'

Will add more soon

Chicken

chicken

15-09-2007, 02:39 PM

How BioCharger Helps:
Electromagnetic therapy is part of the holistic approach to health and disease. The aim is not to treat a specific disease, but rather to strengthen the immune system and thereby provide the body with the optimal conditions under which it can heal itself. When there is a problem in any part of the body, it is basically because the cells in that area are experiencing an energy crisis. In other words, they stop producing electrical energy in the normal manner. When the proper frequencies are reintroduced on a cellular level, the electrical balance of the body is immediately restored, allowing the immune system to come back to full force. Since the immune system of the body is what does the healing, Biocharger machines are technically not healing machines nor are they medical devices, they are simply safe, effective frequency generators that rebalance the electrical system of the body so that the body can begin to naturally heal itself.

http://www.biocharger.net/

Can this be used for bad?

Lakhovsky Multiwave Healing Machine

This controversial device has been claimed to restore aging and diseased tissue by energizing cells at multiple wavelengths of electromagnetic emissions. The machine has also been claimed to neutralize certain types of cancer and other incurable ailments. Antenna consists of 12 concentric ring coils arranged on a 12 x12 " lexan plate.
The system as described uses our BTC30 Tesla coil generator to energize the multi-wave antenna emitter. Plans show very detailed construction information to make the antenna and retrofit it to our BTC30 Tesla coil. This item will soon be offered assembled for research purposes only.

This is worrying?

http://www.amazing1.com/alternative_health.htm

http://www.zephyrtechnology.com/Multi-Wave_Oscillator_/body_multi-wave_oscillator_.html

Chicken

deca

15-09-2007, 02:40 PM

This is a good site about what you can do if you are a TI
http://freedomfchs.com/page4.html

I agree with most of the page.

also think that the brain and body has been hacked so implants are not needed,
implants(RFID) will only help to quickly to identify you and match any data held on you,Also will make it easy to "process you at ground level" Ie police stops,confirming your id,and be a money maker as they can sell this tech to other company's to track,and id you.

I am working hard on protection and ways to dampen and block these attacks
It seems if you are wise and inform people you are a TI that you can trust and register with the TI community its harder for the perps, because its denial ed they have to do you in slowly and make it look natural or by making you do your self in by your own hand.

I am early days with this yet,but it looks promising
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9586

also http://www.fedame.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=230
has some help on protection and shielding

The perps seem to use several different signals(over the electromagnetic spectrum and different platforms) to produce certain effects on TI`s so shielding and protection is a real problem

deca

15-09-2007, 03:21 PM

you don`t need implants, the military complex/cia ect.. played with them in the seventy's. Why would they bother to stick on in you without you knowing
our being able to detect it.When they can just tune in to you own unquie
resonate frequency, why else do you think tetra use these frequncys then?
http://www.tetrawatch.net/tetra/index.php they could of use different frequency's, check out what other mobile mast use.
Radiowave Effects on Humans
Article #386

by T. Neil Davis

This column is provided as a public service by the Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska Fairbanks, in cooperation with the UAF research community. T. Neil Davis is a seismologist at the institute.

Damaging effect to the human body by radio waves will result if the waves are intense enough to heat up the body. The extreme example is what happens to meat put in a microwave oven.

If a person's body is immersed in a strong radiowave field the electrons and ions in the body try to oscillate in unison with the radiowaves. This means energy is extracted from the radio wave and converted to tiny oscillatory motions of electrically-charged components of the body. The more the motion, the higher the body temperature.

In the Soviet Union, regulations require that workers not be exposed to radiowave radiation in excess of 10 microwatts per square centimeter. One hundred times this radiation level (i.e., 1 milliwatt per square centimeter) will create slight temperature increase in humans, the rise being about the same as results from normal light physical activity. Prolonged exposure to this intensity of radiowave radiation probably causes permanent damage. Exposure to 10 to 100 milliwatts definitely causes damage to the eyes; it cooks the eye lens enough to cause cataracts.

Scientists and the government agencies charged with protecting human health in Western countries are unwilling, so far, to agree with claims by their eastern European and Soviet counterparts that very low microwave levels (10 microwatt to 1 milliwatt) are dangerous. However, they admit that it is an open question.

One reason the question is unanswered is that the energy absorbed by a human from radio waves depends upon the relationship between the size of the human and the frequency of the radio waves. Just as a TV antenna of the right length and orientation picks up the best signal (the most energy) from a transmitted wave, so it is with a human being. It appears that the cranial cavity of a mammal will resonate at specific radio frequencies determined by the size of the brain cavity. At these resonant frequencies the human head will absorb vastly more radiowave energy than it will at other nearby frequencies.

An adult's head will resonate at a frequency between 350 and 400 MHz (megahertz). Being smaller, a child's head will resonate at a higher frequency, somewhere between 600 and 850 MHz. Since each individual may have his or her own resonant frequency, a particular frequency radiowave might affect one person more than another. Consequently, testing on humans--even if people are willing to let this happen--can be rather complicated.

Aside from the question of permanent damage by absorption of too much radiowave energy, there is the issue of how much radiation it takes to temporarily modify human behavior or mental ability. It is suspected that a microwave signal modulated (i.e., pulsed) at the frequencies where human brainwaves operate (1 to 20 Hz) may affect mental processes, even if the radiation is too weak to create substantial heating of the brain.

Quite obviously it is a complicated issue to determine the effects of radiowaves upon humans and other animals. Just knowing the strength of the radio signal a person is immersed in is not enough. Critically important may be the frequency match between the signal and the person's body and whether or not the signal is modulated at a frequency that could match up to a person's brainwave pattern.

Complicating matters even further is the finding that mammals can be made to "hear" pulses of radiowave emission. Pulses at frequencies within a mammal's hearing range can cause periodic healings of the head. These create pressure pulses in the ear that are interpreted as sound. Further, some studies have indicated radiowave effects upon cell processes that could affect the nervous system, the cardiovascular system and immunity to disease. The effects are not necessarily all bad: certain cancers are being successfully treated with radiowaves, and the future of even greater success looks bright.

Stop thinking that you need some device/implant on you, you have one
its your brain and body witch is a electrochemical device.

adzboarder

15-09-2007, 03:56 PM

UK citizens, please take a minute to sign this important petition
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/No2Microchipping/

Sorry but whats the point?

Remember the famous petition that had 4.5million signatures opposing the new per-mile-driving tax in the uk?

What did Mr Blair say in not so many words?

"Ah well, we're doing it anyway so fuck you! hahaha!"

So there is no point filling in these pointless petitions when the agenda has already been set.

Sorry Limelady but I am sure you would prefer my honest opinion.

limelady

15-09-2007, 04:08 PM

Yes, I do appreciate your honest opinion adzboarder, but I still don't feel people should just shrug and give up.

I'm not a UK citizen, so I can't sign that petition, but if I could I would simply because of the power of collective intention. Don't forget that we are living in a time where 'anything' could happen because things are changing rapidly. If enough people sign it, it may not fail as others have.

I reckon its worth giving it a go, but of course this is your decision and I respect that. :)

adzboarder

16-09-2007, 10:30 PM

I just wish there WAS a way to make change. :confused:

The methods they give us to air our views are rubbish and make no difference. I've petitioned and protested but every time I am totally ignored. You cant even protest these days without "permission" and even then agent provocateurs do their thing so ALL the protesters are vilified. It's just crap crap crap.

Far too much "you are free! free to do as we tell you!"

Bastards.

adzboarder

16-09-2007, 10:31 PM

PS: Great avatar Lime!

woolfie

09-10-2007, 06:54 PM

Signed ;)

lydia78

09-10-2007, 07:19 PM

Done

clint web

09-10-2007, 10:04 PM

soap

10-10-2007, 04:02 PM

I can't sign it. I am for and against microchipping. I'm against microchipping in general, but do see the potential in it when it comes to the senario of microchipping criminals and pedophiles and such as the like.
On these grounds I decided to abstain from the petition.

candygirl

10-10-2007, 09:52 PM

I have signed.

the_mole

09-12-2007, 03:22 PM

I will sign it, like I and most my colleagues, friends and family have done with the road tax and war pettitions, but they are laughable.

I don't know why they even bother giving us a petition when they wont take a blind bit of notice.

We all need to start demonstrating in a big way, 3-4 million people decending on London and parliament, can't be ignored, but then again over 1 million did against the illegal Iraq war and they still went ahead looking for weapons of Mass DESTRACTION.

I was thinking the only real way they will take any notice of us people, is if everyone didn't go to work on an organised day. If the same 1.5 million people who signed the the road tax spying sat nav petition, didn't go to work for a few days the government/illuminati couldn't ignore it.

Where do you start organising something like that though?

And before it becomes illegal to.
If governments are part of any conspiracy etc and are obeying a higher up ruler, then they are going to read any petition and do what they like anyway with some reason as to why we are having it. The most a petition will do is delay whilst they find some new way to make it acceptable (petition means could have a revolt if large enough - is a warning).

The best way to register this view is a huge decendant on London and being in the media. A petition doesn't create fear of uprising. People do, but they'd rather pay the bills.
The solution is to die rather than accept it and that depends on your viewpoint.

The only thing a petition does is give a list of names and addresses to the government of the people most likely to be a problem to them. Not a good move.

What if you could have a chip that works as a chip, ie society stuff and yet seven years down the line if you don't follow the rules they send it a signal:
http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1207/morgellons3.html

Now read Revelations? Just a thought that occurred to me...
Note my footer...

swoarg

10-12-2007, 11:24 PM

good point mole what is the point of signing it but atleast more people will know about it caus its the first ive heard and i am confused surely it can not be true there going to chip us all tell me its only a conspiracy please if thats seriously being considerd then WHAT can we do

client

11-12-2007, 12:19 AM

I've signed this. It'll be interesting to see the official reply seeing it's already over the required 200 signature quota.

optimus pigpot

11-12-2007, 06:11 AM

I've signed.

There would be rioting in the streets here in the uk if they tried this.

We have a weak government here who can't control even out of control youths, even the kids have more power, look at the behaviour in the schools - this is why I'm not afraid of Brown and co.

Sorry clint web, I'm afraid NO rioting would or will take place. The British will lie back even when duped and later realise it. All talk no action.

Examples are Maastricht, before that Common Market, after that the Falklands, before that 2 World Wars. I'm sorry clint web but that's what every "Proud Brit" says, but they obey their politcal paymasters like dogs.

Britain is the most apathetic nation on earth...

The evidence I've layed before you and at the times of these events were huge in the press. Everybody though clubbed together to sing the National Anthem and once again Britain settled back into it's armchair, Coronation Street blared and the world was good.......

You may riot in your house clint but I'm afraid all they'll do is make an example of you and arrest you.

Then, you'll become the next madman and the next reason for everybody to comply. I'm not saying I have THE answer but all you'll do is give them more reason to impose more martial law...

Heaven's blessings my child.....

WOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

zander

11-12-2007, 11:26 PM

Well I have signed, but I have signed thease things before an all I have recived back from any of the petition's on that site is lame exusess, denials and the usual propaganda based lie's.

But hay ho, you gota give it a go :rolleyes:
At least they will have a nice list to profile you by, so that they know who to come after first when the time comes.

Namaste,

Zander

penguin_hell

16-12-2007, 10:22 PM

I've signed it, and i've tried to get others to, but some are refusing.

I just hope we get enough signatures :(

ravenswing

17-12-2007, 01:03 PM

thx for posting the link Limelady :)

free_soul

10-01-2008, 10:36 AM

i signed it hell they lost my details so if they do take them then at least they will have them back lmao

limelady

10-01-2008, 11:38 AM

I'm really pleased this thread is still active.

Well done everyone!

LL :)

kweli

15-01-2008, 12:26 PM

That's two more signitures from my household and two more coming up. I'm also going to post the link on a couple more forums that I frequent. We need many more sigs.

free_soul

16-01-2008, 12:34 AM

Im glad this is still going and so many people care enough about microchipping, however i have looked at the petitions in the past and out of the 20 or so that i read they were all declined. Is this anouther public forum kind f thing to see if there programing is working?

They open a part of the site for the pulic to argue what the dont like and get others to sign to make it legal/ilegal and if it isnt what they want then the programing will just become stronger or they will try and find other ways to make us accept it

chandrakavi

16-01-2008, 04:55 AM

I would love to sign.

Better yet, I would rather have a big demonstration against it.

However, I'm not a UK citizen, so I am very sorry that I can't help. :(

If it is done in UK, it should be made a WORLD WIDE petition for microchips not being inforced, only those who volunteer, taking into consideration that with the microship, their identity can be stolen, have access to your checking account, and have someone pass as being you,stealing your identity, among other things...

alice1111

17-01-2008, 05:28 PM

Where I live, it is already standard practice to chip your pets unless you tell them not to and many humans are lined up ready to get there chip.
Problem-reaction-solution. So many kids and people are turning up missing lately. Better get your chip and be safe.
I would sign, but I don't live there and from what I've seen here, many people want them. To be safe, of course. I will go down fighting, but how many ways are there to sneak these tiny chips in?:eek:

Alice

numbersix

17-01-2008, 08:47 PM

I have just signed this e petition as i passionately believe in this. I also refuse point blank to have an identity card and have already emailed my MP about this issue asking her if their prisons are big enough for all of us.......
I still have the old style paper driving license with no photo and intend to keep it as its valid until I'm 70 ....

Microchipping = Doubleplusgood Comrade !!!

free_soul

17-01-2008, 10:22 PM

If it is done in UK, it should be made a WORLD WIDE petition for microchips not being inforced, only those who volunteer, taking into consideration that with the microship, their identity can be stolen, have access to your checking account, and have someone pass as being you,stealing your identity, among other things...

Stop and think what your saying a little please.

If there was a petition that was so powerful that it afected the world then the NWO is in full efect and a bad thing :P:P when the gouverment falls then it will be world wide

chandrakavi

19-01-2008, 06:06 AM

Stop and think what your saying a little please.

If there was a petition that was so powerful that it afected the world then the NWO is in full efect and a bad thing :P:P when the gouverment falls then it will be world wide

More than what I am saying take a look at what is being done , how microships are being sold, and people are convinced IT IS GOOD FOR US, throughout the 96% controlled media. Many already have had it place in their body throughout the world, because they feel it is good for them.

So I do know what I am saying, I am creating AWARENESS, that the microchip will not make you live in paradise, and that there are dangers of your identity being stolen, and used, it has already happened to many people.

I don't know that much can be done about it except create awareness, and the chip is being SOLD, not given to you ,world wide. We are already in the matrix.

An ex- CIA agent said, it is in youtube, you can accept everything of the World government, but say NO to the chip ,because you will become their robot, it seems we already are, this is not something to happen in 100 years more, it is happening now. Present time. So an ex-CIA man, sure must have more information than you and me, don't you think?

I hope there is, but don't see a solution to this.

Globalization is supposed to be "good", affects us all, so only one country
can pass a law, and the rest will stay in the dark. So far it seems so.

Take a look at the Publicity of the chip in google of VERICHIP, telling the wonders of it.

kweli

19-01-2008, 08:17 PM

More than what I am saying take a look at what is being done , how microships are being sold, and people are convinced IT IS GOOD FOR US, throughout the 96% controlled media. Many already have had it place in their body throughout the world, because they feel it is good for them.

So I do know what I am saying, I am creating AWARENESS, that the microchip will not make you live in paradise, and that there are dangers of your identity being stolen, and used, it has already happened to many people.

I don't know that much can be done about it except create awareness, and the chip is being SOLD, not given to you ,world wide. We are already in the matrix.

An ex- CIA agent said, it is in youtube, you can accept everything of the World government, but say NO to the chip ,because you will become their robot, it seems we already are, this is not something to happen in 100 years more, it is happening now. Present time. So an ex-CIA man, sure must have more information than you and me, don't you think?

I hope there is, but don't see a solution to this.

Globalization is supposed to be "good", affects us all, so only one country
can pass a law, and the rest will stay in the dark. So far it seems so.

Take a look at the Publicity of the chip in google of VERICHIP, telling the wonders of it.

Good post. And you're right, we have to create awareness. We could start by posting the petition (link in opening post) on as many mainstream forums as we can; perhaps with a short youtube clip outlining the microchip agenda. It may stir a few to research further?

hexstatic

05-02-2008, 12:14 PM

...I was thinking the only real way they will take any notice of us people, is if everyone didn't go to work on an organised day. If the same 1.5 million people who signed the the road tax spying sat nav petition, didn't go to work for a few days the government/illuminati couldn't ignore it.

Where do you start organising something like that though?

HERE mate !!!

im with you all the way ! :D

killmicrosoft

22-02-2008, 12:31 PM

ARCHIVE OF petition the Prime Minister to make a law banning the microchipping of human beings in U.K

http://w15.easy-share.com/1699657891.html

FULL
http://w15.easy-share.com/1699657925.html

armoured_amazon

22-02-2008, 03:16 PM

UK citizens, please take a minute to sign this important petition
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/No2Microchipping/

Signed.

deliciously_fresh

22-02-2008, 03:38 PM

I'm on board.

marpat

22-02-2008, 06:11 PM

gordysmit

22-02-2008, 06:39 PM

Although I am happy to sign this petition one thing puzzles me. Has there been anything passed through parliament to state that people will be chipped?

If not all that will happen is that the petition will be rejected. Have a look through some of the rejected ones, they are interesting

Nice post have you seen the time 11:11 anyway thats was not way do you remember this on x files YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

marpat

22-02-2008, 08:46 PM

Nice post have you seen the time 11:11 anyway thats was not way do you remember this on x files http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu2DgaVZCIA

I think I have seen that episode. I hardly think they will consider looking at such a petition if they would deny that such a thing was even being done.

One of the rejected petition is saying that the PM should simply just go. I wonder why they rejected it, LOL

armoured_amazon

22-02-2008, 08:56 PM

One of the rejected petition is saying that the PM should simply just go. I wonder why they rejected it, LOL

LOL

marpat

23-02-2008, 06:48 PM

One thing that I forgot to mention is that implanting a chip would require a surgical procedure. The medical infrastructure is not capable of carrying out such an immense task of chipping the entire population. Surgical procedures also require consent so unless your personal rights are removed by a change in the law this will not happen.

killmicrosoft

23-02-2008, 07:39 PM

they are all you have to do is look on google under the heading

HUMAN RFID IMPLANTS ON THE NHS

and you will find such info

marpat

23-02-2008, 07:43 PM

they are all you have to do is look on google under the heading

HUMAN RFID IMPLANTS ON THE NHS

and you will find such info

And you believe that they can implant everybody whether or not they get consent?

killmicrosoft

23-02-2008, 07:47 PM

no but the majority of people will ask for it
their is no doubt this will happen

show me proof that it is not happening (you cant) and i will show you plenty of proof it is

killmicrosoft

23-02-2008, 07:52 PM

marpat

just been looking through your posts and i ask what the hell are you doing here if you are just here to post negative opinions

open your eyes

free_soul

23-02-2008, 08:01 PM

And you believe that they can implant everybody whether or not they get consent?

oh yes this is the govourment were on about lol

lookfar

23-02-2008, 08:04 PM

marpat

23-02-2008, 08:09 PM

marpat

just been looking through your posts and i ask what the hell are you doing here if you are just here to post negative opinions

open your eyes

May I ask who you think you are? don't like my opinions then tough. Maybe you should move to a communist country like north Korea where peoples opinions are censored.

killmicrosoft

23-02-2008, 08:14 PM

nobody said your peoples opinions should censored

ignorance is bliss

or stupidity

i wish i could just close my eyes and wake up and it was all a dream but im sorry its ever so real

marpat

23-02-2008, 08:20 PM

nobody said your peoples opinions should censored

ignorance is bliss

or stupidity

i wish i could just close my eyes and wake up and it was all a dream but im sorry its ever so real

Maybe you should stop sending me PM's asking me about me 'negative' opinions. Scared that you will be proved wrong or that your fear based ideas will be ripped to shreds?
live in paranoid fear if you want, it makes no difference to me. Whats the weather like in North Korea?

marpat

23-02-2008, 08:22 PM

How about vaccinations!!!:rolleyes:

Vaccinations do need consent. You can't just put a needle in somebody if they say no.

Even military people can refuse vaccinations. People were given the choice before the Gulf War if they wanted the anthrax jab or not. Funny thing is that a lot of people said no!!!!!!

marpat

23-02-2008, 08:30 PM

no but the majority of people will ask for it
their is no doubt this will happen

show me proof that it is not happening (you cant) and i will show you plenty of proof it is

Show me the proof that people are chipped. All you can do is find some links that say it is possible. You don't know anybody who has been chipped without their consent so just wake up and start living in the real world. Saying you can't prove something isn't happening or not possible is just so lame. It just means that your refuse to accept the reality of the situation.

Got any pics of your mates with chips being pulled out? or maybe yourself. Know any doctors or nurses who have seen such a thing being done? if so why have you not exposed them for breaking the law.

I think the worst thing is that you act as if you have superior knowledge, trying to claim that I am stupid. Come on then, I am waiting for you to prove your point.

killmicrosoft

23-02-2008, 08:40 PM

marpat

23-02-2008, 08:50 PM

Medical implants: the inside story

http://www.nhsinnovationsnorth.org.uk/newsdetails.asp?ID=395

http://www.hpc.nhs.uk/downloads/HPCNEWSJan08_001.pdf

http://www.foundation.org.uk/events/pdf/20050223_Summary.pdf

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmhealth/398/398ii.pdf

In link 1 there is mention of an orthopaedic implant

Link 2 is the same doc as 1

Link 3 states that implants are politically impossible and that public trust would be crucial

Link 4 seems to refer to health monitoring implants.

So where in any of those documents does it state that there is a plan to implant every person with chips without their consent? nowhere. Do you think that official NHS documents would even suggest that? and you try to say I'm stupid. You really need to re-evaluate your ideas.

Like I said you have no proof just a few link which are explainable. Fair enough the technology may be there and I don't dispute that but the application of what people are suggesting is just pure bollocks. It is nothing more than sci-fi thinking.
Got any pics of chips being pulled out of people? know anybody involved with such things? until you get real solid undisputable evidence then I would suggest that you don't disregard peoples opinions with the arrogance you displayed before.

The Inside Story: for F*** sake do you really think that you would get you hands on stuff that is politically illegal just by searching for a few links.

At the end of the day I am entitled to have an opinion as much as anybdy in here. You have yours also but to come in suggesting that people are wrong when you have no proof is just bogus. I prefer to base my opinions on practical considerations rather than possibilities. It could be easily argued that almost anything is possible but not everything is practical

killmicrosoft

23-02-2008, 09:11 PM

1 -DOC 1 LISTS Six products
2 -DOC 1 IS NOT THE SAME AS DOC 2
3 -DOC 3 YOU DID NOT READ THE WHOLE DOC ,IF YOU HAD YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS IMPLICATING
4 -DOC 4 increase the safety of healthcare systems by improving tracking and identiﬁcation of individuals
using Radio Frequency Identity (RFID).
5 -
6 -
7 -

http://www.verichipcorp.com/
watch vid
http://www.verichipcorp.com/files/CNN_AmerMorn_013106.wmv

http://www.buscatube.cl/play/youtube/rfid-implants/tag1/7fvurf9n7EE/rfid-implant--insertion/

http://www.buscatube.cl/play/youtube/rfid-implants/tag3/HvotaYrtThg/rfid-tag/

http://www.buscatube.cl/play/youtube/rfid-implants/tag5/RWTRhob8B5I/demolition-man--chips/

marpat

23-02-2008, 09:18 PM

http://www.verichipcorp.com/
watch vid
http://www.verichipcorp.com/files/CNN_AmerMorn_013106.wmv

http://www.buscatube.cl/play/youtube/rfid-implants/tag1/7fvurf9n7EE/rfid-implant--insertion/

http://www.buscatube.cl/play/youtube/rfid-implants/tag3/HvotaYrtThg/rfid-tag/

http://www.buscatube.cl/play/youtube/rfid-implants/tag5/RWTRhob8B5I/demolition-man--chips/

Wow some clips of implants being done. I never said they don't exist or can't be put in. I said that it would not be possible to do that to the entire population without consent as the law as it stand now cannot force people to have things done to them unless they are mentally incapable or deciding for themselves, such as mentally handicapped or mentally ill people.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying they can't be put in, but I do not believe that it can be done on a national level for many reasons. Also, until it is proven that normal people are being implanted covertly then there is really nothing more to be said.

killmicrosoft

23-02-2008, 09:22 PM

remains to be seen

only time will tell

NOBODY EVER SAID THAT IT WOUD BE DONE without consent

YOU TRIP YOUR SELF UP EVERY STEP OF THE WAY

killmicrosoft

23-02-2008, 09:57 PM

The Use of RFID for Human Identification

AS STATED PEOPLE WILL ASK FOR THIS NOT BE FORCED

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy/privacy_advcom_rpt_rfid_draft.pdf

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I. Introduction

The purposes of this paper are to: (1) address the use of Radio Frequency Identification
technology (RFID) by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to identify and track
individuals; (2) outline the potential data privacy and integrity issues implicated by this
use of RFID technology; (3) offer guidance to the Secretary of DHS, program managers,
and the DHS Privacy Office on deciding whether to deploy RFID technology to track
individuals; and (4) offer steps to consider in order to mitigate privacy and data integrity
risks when planning to use RFID to identify and track individuals.

II. Executive Summary

Automatic identification technologies1 like RFID have valuable uses, especially in
connection with tracking things for purposes such as inventory management. RFID is
particularly useful where it can be embedded within an object, such as a shipping
container.

There appear to be specific, narrowly defined situations in which RFID is appropriate for
human identification. Miners or firefighters might be appropriately identified using
RFID because speed of identification is at a premium in dangerous situations and the
need to verify the connection between a card and bearer is low.

But for other applications related to human beings, RFID appears to offer little benefit
when compared to the consequences it brings for privacy and data integrity. Instead, it
increases risks to personal privacy and security, with no commensurate benefit for
performance or national security. Most difficult and troubling is the situation in which
RFID is ostensibly used for tracking objects (medicine containers, for example), but can
be in fact used for monitoring human behavior. These types of uses are still being
explored and remain difficult to predict.

For these reasons, we recommend that RFID be disfavored for identifying and tracking
human beings. When DHS does choose to use RFID to identify and track individuals, we
recommend the implementation of the specific security and privacy safeguards described
herein.

1
“Automatic identification technology” (AIT) is used here to refer to means of identifying things or
individuals, collecting data about them, and automatically causing that data to be entered into a computer
system, with no human interaction. Examples of AIT’s include bar codes, optical character recognition,
RFID, biometrics, magnetic stripes, smart cards, and voice recognition. See
Automatic identification and data capture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. See also RFID: APPLICATIONS,
SECURITY, AND PRIVACY (Simson Garfinkel and Beth Rosenberg, Editors) (2006) at 4.
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III. Background

RFID is a leading automatic identification technology. RFID tags communicate
information by radio wave through antennae on small computer chips attached to objects
so that such objects may be identified, located, and tracked. The fundamental
architecture of RFID technology involves a tag, a reader (or scanning device), and a
database. A reader scans the tag (or multiple tags simultaneously) and transmits the
information on the tag(s) to a database, which stores the information.

Transmitting identification data by radio rather than by manual transcription increases the
quality, speed, and ease of that information transfer, which is the basis for the
technology’s appeal. RFID tags can be installed on objects such as products, cases, and
pallets. They can also be embedded in identification documents and even human tissue.
Both the private and public sectors are increasingly using RFID to track materiel (such as
for inventory management), but RFID is also being considered and adopted by DHS and
other government agencies for use in tracking people.

While RFID can demonstrably add value to manufacturing, shipping, and object-related
tracking, there is an impulse at this time to deploy it for purposes to which it is not well
suited. RFID’s comparative low cost, invisibility, and ease of deployment in automated
tracking often make it appear more attractive than the alternatives. RFID may also
address some logistical or efficiency problems in human identification and tracking, but
some current and contemplated uses of RFID for tracking people may be misguided.
Attempts to improve speed and efficiency through using RFID to track individuals raise
important privacy and information security issues.

This paper is not a tutorial on RFID technology itself.2 Nor does it address the problem of
developing international standards to support widespread deployment of RFID
technology efficiently. Rather, this paper addresses only the privacy and data integrity
issues raised by the use of RFID when explicitly designed and used for tracking people.
It does not discuss the use of RFID on general objects, such as clothing or food items
purchased from a store that might used to track people without their knowledge or
consent. This latter practice raises far greater privacy concerns than explicit tracking and
it should be rejected in all cases except when the security mission calls for tracking
individuals about whom suspicion has met an appropriate legal threshold.

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We have included an Appendix to this paper listing background materials on RFID.
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IV. The Legal Basis for RFID Use in Human Identification

We know of no statutory requirement that DHS use RFID technology, specifically, to
track people. The major laws, executive orders, and programs under which RFID is
being considered or used are either permissive as to technology or not legally binding on
the U.S. government.3

In this analysis of RFID as a generic technology, we cannot address all the rights,
statutes, and regulations that may limit the use of RFID for human tracking, limit the use
of information collected via RFID, or grant individuals rights pertaining to data collected
via RFID. When RFID is used for human tracking, the data collected will undoubtedly
comprise a “system of records” under the Privacy Act of 1974. People should have at
least the rights accorded them by that law when they are identified using RFID. Systems
using RFID technology are, of course, also subject to the E-Government Act’s Privacy
Impact Assessment requirements.

V. RFID for Human Identification: Clarifying Incorrect Assumptions

A number of DHS programs are premised on the identification of human subjects. At the
border in the US-VISIT program, at airports in the CAPPS I program, and at entrances to
secure facilities of all kinds, checking identification cards is a routinely used security
measure. Behind many of the current ideas for using RFID in human identification is a
commonly held misperception that RFID improves the speed of identification. RFID is a
rapid way to read data, but RFID does not identify individuals. If RFID is tied to a
biometric authentication factor, it can reliably identify human beings; but tying RFID to a
biometric authentication negates the speed benefit.

A. Controlling Access, Controlling Borders, and Interdicting Suspects

Checking identification is intended to achieve a number of different goals: Facilities
managers use identification to control access to sensitive infrastructures that may be
damaged or used to harm Americans. They use it to control access to facilities where
sensitive information about other infrastructure may be kept, or where security planning
or operations are carried out. The government uses identification administratively to
track the border crossings of international travelers. At borders and checkpoints,

3
The REAL ID Act, about which regulations are still being formulated, calls for a “machine-readable
technology” but does not specify the technology. Homeland Security Presidential Directive 12 calls for “a
mandatory, Government-wide standard for secure and reliable forms of identification issued by the Federal
Government to its employees and contractors (including contractor employees).” The State Department
adopted RFID technology in the e-passport to meet International Civil Aviation Organization standards,
which are not legally binding on the U.S. government.
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identification can help detect and interdict undesirable entrants to the country and known
or suspected terrorists.

These identification processes are intended to protect a wide variety of institutions,
infrastructures, processes, and persons from a wide variety of threats, each having a
different risk profile.

At base, checking identification seeks to interdict potential attackers on our institutions,
infrastructure, and people. We make no effort here to determine how well the practice of
identifying people achieves this mission, how well identification systems are secured
against corruption and fraud, or whether the protection provided by identification-based
security outweighs its costs to privacy and other interests. We only address here the
difference between those identification processes using RFID and those not using RFID.

We are aware of two reasons to use RFID in identification processes: to increase the
speed and efficiency of identification processes and to hinder forgery and tampering with
identification documents. An RFID-chipped identification card can quickly communicate
information from the card to a reader from a distance, without a line of sight or physical
contact between a card and reader. With the proper use of encryption, information on an
RFID chip can be rendered very difficult, if not impossible, to forge or alter.

B. RFID Can Reduce Delay at Entrances and Checkpoints

It takes some time to check a traditional identification document. The process typically
includes handing the document to a verifier, who must review the information on the card
and authorize the bearer to pass, record the bearer’s passing, or, if appropriate, detain the
bearer. The verifier must also compare the identifiers on the card with the bearer to
ensure that the bearer is the person identified by the card.

The use of RFID could dispense with one of these steps by eliminating the hand-over of
the card. The other two steps are not affected by RFID. The verifier must still review
authorizing information and compare the identifiers on the card with the bearer.

These are distinct processes. The identification information communicated by an RFID-
chipped identification card can be used to determine the bearer’s authorization, but it is
not authorization itself. (An RFID-chipped card, just like any card, could have a separate
data element indicating authorization, of course, provided it was secure against forgery
and tampering.)

In order for any document or device to accurately identify someone, it must be linked to
the person in some way. This is almost always through some form of biometric — a
picture, description, fingerprints, or iris scan, for example. A document that is not linked
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to a person using a biometric is not a reliable identification document, just as someone
holding a key to a house cannot be identified as the owner of the house based upon
possession of that key alone. The RFID-chipped I-94 Form, for example, is not directly
linked to individuals by a reliable biometric. The RFID chip in the form is useful for
tracking the location of the form and correlating the form with a specific entry in a visitor
database, but the form and the chip are easily transferred from one person to another. If
the RFID-chipped I-94 Form were relied upon to indicate the location of a person without
separate verification of identity, it would easily be used to defeat the regulation of border
crossings.

In terms of speed, the use of RFID probably represents only a marginal improvement in
speed over alternatives such as contact chips, 2-D bar codes, and optical character
recognition. In some cases, RFID has offered no speed benefit at all. For example, to
mitigate some security and privacy concerns, the State Department altered its (RFID-
chipped) e-passport to require entering of a PIN number printed on the card to unlock the
data on the chip.4 The e-passport must be swiped through an optical character reader in
order to gain access to the chip. This welcome personal security measure adds back the
delay and inefficiency that RFID technology was designed to overcome, obviating the
utility of RFID for this application.

RFID can reduce delay at entrances and checkpoints, but typically by only a small
margin. Current deployments of RFID either do not provide reliable identification (the I-
94) or do not reduce delay (the e-passport).

C. RFID Can Reduce Forgery and Tampering with Identification Documents

Encryption allows information to be encoded in such a way that it is hidden from casual
view and any attempt at alteration or forgery can be reliably detected. Communicating
information from an identification card via RFID allows encryption to be used,
suppressing potential attacks on the integrity of the identification system through forgery
and alteration.

There are many technologies other than encryption that also suppress forgery and
alteration. These include special inks, laminates, microtaggants, holograms, kinegrams,
and specialized printing techniques, including microprinting, Guilloche printing, and
gradient printing. Encrypted data can be hidden in the pixels on a card, giving the same
guarantee against forgery offered by encryption in an RFID chip.

The anti-forgery benefit provided by the use of RFID in identification documents is not a
product of its use of radio, but rather the fact that the data is in a digital format. Any data

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Department of State, Electronic Passport final rule, 70 Fed. Reg. 61553, 61554 (Oct. 25, 2005).
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in digital format can be encrypted. Thus, RFID as such offers no anti-forgery or anti-
tampering benefit over alternatives such as contact chips, bar codes, or pixelization.

D. Use of RFID Creates Risks to Individuals

While improving identification-based security by small margins, if any, the use of RFID
for human identification may create a number of risks that are not found in conventional
and non-radio identification processes. Individuals will likely be subject to greater
surveillance in RFID identification. They will be less aware of being identified and what
information is transferred during identification, concerns that necessitate transparency in
the design of RFID identification systems. And, finally, the use of RFID creates security
risks that are not found in non-radio identification systems. These concerns are discussed
in the next section.

VI. Effects of RFID for Human Tracking on Privacy and Related Interests

Identification-based security programs create many concerns relating to privacy and
related interests. We confine our analysis here to the incremental concerns created by the
use of radio to communicate identity information from a card or token to a reader.

A. Increased Surveillance and Eroded Privacy, Anonymity, and Seclusion

In a visual ID-check environment, a person may be briefly identified but then forgotten,
rendering them anonymous for practical purposes. In a radio ID-check environment, by
contrast, a person’s entry into a particular area can easily be recorded and the information
permanently stored and repeatedly shared. In this way, RFID may convert identification-
based security into an effective surveillance program of all people passing certain
locations.

Without formidable safeguards, the use of RFID in identification cards and tokens will
tend to enable the tracking of individuals’ movements, profiling of their activities, and
subsequent, non-security-related use of identification and derived information.

This concern exists with all automatic identification technologies that communicate
identification information in digital form. The advantage of being able to easily share
such digital information is part of its appeal. The concern could be minimized, however,
if identity information was maintained in analog form and digital information was used
only to guarantee the security of the card or token against forgery or alteration.

Advanced “identity management” systems can permit cards and tokens to communicate
only the specific information relevant to a particular authorization. Early examples exist,
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including the Clear card used in the Orlando pilot of Registered Traveler’s Private Sector
Known Traveler Program. This card communicates to the Transportation Security
Administration that the bearer of a card is authorized to pass, but does not reveal to the
TSA who the traveler is. RFID is not an obvious candidate for such implementations
because the speed and efficiency it offers is not useful when travelers must stop to
display a machine-readable biometric to a scanner or reader. This system appropriately
uses a contact chip.

B. The Difficulty with Notice to Subjects of RFID Identification

It can be disempowering and unfair to collect certain types of information about people
without their knowledge. Doing so prevents people from taking steps to conceal
information they might prefer not to share. Human identification using RFID has serious
potential to deprive people of notice that potentially highly specific, detailed information
about them is being collected. (Here, we discuss collection of information consistent
with a planned use of the RFID identification system. Unplanned collection of
information by outsiders to the system is a security threat, which we will discuss
separately below.)

RFID-tagged identification documents present a significant problem in terms of notice,
along two dimensions. First, individuals carrying RFID-tagged documents will have a
difficult time determining when they are being identified and to whom. Unless people
begin carrying radio frequency detectors or purses and wallets that are impermeable to
radio frequencies, they will not know when the RFID chips in their identification cards
are being scanned. Designing chips to communicate over limited distances can
ameliorate, but not eliminate, this problem. Technologies and both government and
commercial identification policies may change over time, putting people in the position
of being identified at times and places they are not aware of.

Second, people with RFID-tagged documents will have a difficult time determining what
information they are sharing when they are identified using RFID. In a visual ID-check
environment, people are aware that the information on the card is what is made available
to a verifier. Other media make it more difficult to determine. Magnetic stripes, bar
codes, and radio waves are not naturally readable to humans, though they can be
interpreted by the technically savvy if they use known standards. However, when
encryption is used — to defeat forgery and tampering and to secure the radio
communication against outsiders — it can also deprive the individual of any way to
decipher the content of the communication, rendering him or her powerless to control the
use of personal information.

These concerns highlight the importance of open standards and open processes in any use
of RFID for human identification. It should be possible to determine what information
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the cards people carry actually communicate. Because RFID systems can be configured a
variety of ways, it is important that the public have information about all the design
standards that systems are built to. This disclosure should not be limited to their intended
uses, but their maximum capabilities should also be specified. Information about the
maker of the chip, the integrator, and the provider of the data system should all be made
public so that the design and integration choices can be assessed by outside observers,
auditors, and the affected people. Otherwise, RFID-based identification systems will
invite misuse, whether they actually are misused or not.

B. Security is a Foremost Concern with Using RFID for Human Identification

Above, we discussed the concerns that exist when RFID is used for human identification
as intended. Some of the greatest concerns with RFID in identification documents have
to do with uses that are not intended: the security of the radio transmissions. Making
identification information available via radio frequency opens up two sources of
insecurity, commonly known as skimming and eavesdropping.

“Skimming” is creating an unauthorized connection with an RFID tag in order to gain
access to its data. It allows someone not a part of the identification system to gather
information surreptitiously. This risk can be controlled a number of ways. One is to
block the transmission of radio signals to and from the chip when it is not intended to be
in use. A Faraday cage or shield is a wire screen that prevents transmission of radio
signals. The State Department’s new e-passport will incorporate this technology. It is
more convenient in a “passbook” type document like a passport than a card for which
there would have to be a wrapping.

Another way to limit skimming is to encrypt the data transmission so that identification
information appears indecipherable to anyone intercepting it that is not authorized to read
it. However, this is not a complete solution. Though indecipherable itself, the encrypted
information can act as an identifier if it remains the same each time the card is skimmed.

“Eavesdropping” is the interception of the electronic communication session between an
RFID tag and an authorized reader, again, in order to gain access to the data being
transmitted. As with skimming, depending on the design of the system, an eavesdropper
may be able to collect usable information from the communication between an RFID chip
and reader even if the communication is encrypted.

One way to suppress eavesdropping is to limit carefully the environments in which
identification cards are used. Another is to design the RFID chip so that no two
communication sessions appear alike. This may require a relatively simple RFID system
to migrate toward the more expensive and complicated “smart card” model.

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The United States Government Accounting Office addressed the use of RFID technology
in a May 2005 report titled Information Security: Radio Frequency Identification
Technology in the Federal Government5 (GAO Report). The GAO Report identified a
number of security issues that are implicated by federal (and commercial) use of RFID
technology. “Without effective security controls,” the GAO Report stated, “data on the
tag can be read by any compliant reader; data transmitted through the air can be
intercepted and read by unauthorized devices; and data stored in the databases can be
accessed by unauthorized users.”6 The GAO stated that RFID systems should be
designed to:

• Ensure that only authorized readers can read the tags, and that only authorized
personnel have access to the readers;
• Maintain the integrity of the data on the chip and stored in the database;
• Ensure that the critical data is fully available when necessary;
• Mitigate the risk of various attacks, such as counterfeiting or cloning (when an
attacker produces an unauthorized copy of a legitimate tag); replay (when a valid
transmission is repeated, either by the originator or an unauthorized person who
intercepts it and retransmits it); and eavesdropping;
• Avoid electronic collisions when multiple tags and/or readers are present; and
• Mitigate the likelihood that unauthorized components may interfere or imitate
legitimate system components.

We endorse these as a minimal set of measures to address the issues we have raised here
about using RFID for human identification. Many additional data privacy and integrity
issues would surface in a specific program that contemplated collection, storage, and use
of data collected via RFID. In the next section, we draw our conclusions about the use of
RFID in human tracking and suggest “best practices” for the rare case when RFID is the
most appropriate technology for that purpose.

VII. Recommendation: RFID Should be Disfavored for Human Tracking.

The case for using RFID to track materiel has been made fairly well. The Department of
Defense, for example, has produced a significant study showing the benefits of using

5
See GAO-05-551 (May 2005), available at http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05551.pdf. See also
Testimony of Gregory C. Wilshusen, Director, Information Security Issues, Before the Subcommittee on
Economic Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Cybersecurity, House Committee on Homeland Security,
June 22, 2005, available at http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05849t.pdf.
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RFID to tame the substantial logistical challenges it faces.7 We are not aware of a
similarly strong case for using RFID to track humans.

RFID can reduce the delay when people pass through chokepoints that require
identification. However, transmission of information from cards to verifiers is not a
significant cause of the delay in such transactions compared to the authorization and
verification steps.

RFID permits the use of encryption, which can control forgery and tampering with
identification documents. This is not a unique characteristic of RFID, however. It is part
of many digital technologies, including contact chips, bar codes, magnetic stripes, and
watermarked printing.

Against these small incremental benefits of RFID are arrayed a large number of privacy
concerns. RFID deployments’ digitally communicated information is easier to collect,
save, store, and process, and is, therefore, more easily converted to surveillance than
other methods. The silent, unnoticeable operation of radio waves means that individuals
will always have difficulty knowing when they are being identified and what information
is being communicated, leaving them vulnerable to increased security risks such as
skimming and eavesdropping.

A. Choosing Whether to Use RFID to Track Individuals

When automatic identification technology or RFID are not required or specified by law,
the subcommittee recommends that program managers within the U.S. Department of
Homeland Security, in consultation with the DHS Privacy Office, explore the following
issues to determine if RFID will accomplish their objectives and if, on balance, using
RFID technology is appropriate for tracking individuals:

• What is the specific objective of the program?
• What alternatives might accomplish these objectives? (e.g., 2D barcode, optical
character recognition, or magnetic stripe)
• What are the drawbacks of these alternatives (e.g. reduced speed, efficiency, or
accuracy?)
• Can one or more of these alternatives meet the objectives of the program without
raising the privacy and security concerns raised by RFID?

7
FINAL REGULATORY FLEXIBILITY ANALYSIS OF PASSIVE RADIO FREQUENCY
IDENTIFICATION (RFID), prepared by the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition
Technology & Logistics. See full reference in appendix.
The Use of RFID for Human Identification
A DRAFT REPORT from DHS Emerging Applications and Technology Subcommittee
to the Full Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee
Version 1.0

This report has not been considered or approved by the Full Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory
Committee and has not yet been provided to the Secretary or the Chief Privacy Officer of the Department
of Homeland Security as a formal recommendation.

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B. Existing Best Practices

Should they still choose RFID for human tracking, program managers should take a
number of steps to protect against the adverse consequences of this technology. We
would undoubtedly have specific recommendations for specific programs, but will
discuss here a number of existing best practices and recommendations.

The GAO report cited above maintains that many security risks can be mitigated
thorough compliance with the Federal Information Security Management Act (FISMA),
which requires each agency to develop, document, and implement an agency-wide
information security program. Specifically, FISMA requires agencies to:

• Engage in periodic risk assessments;
• Develop risk-based policies and procedures to reduce risks to an acceptable level;
• Develop plans for providing adequate information security for networks,
facilities, systems, and groups of systems;
• Engage in security training for personnel and contractors;
• Test the information security policies at least annually, including the testing of
management, operational, and technical controls for every major information
system;
• Develop a process to detect and report security incidents and a remedial action
process; and
• Maintain procedures for continuity of operations in light of a security incident.

As it relates to RFID, an agency can reduce the risk of unauthorized use or access
through encryption and authentication.

• Encryption should include the data in the tags, in the air, and when stored in a
database.
• Authentication means verifying the claimed identity of a user. It can be used
between tag and reader as a way to mitigate security risks. This can help prevent
the unauthorized reading and/or writing to tags.

The GAO states that the privacy issues can be mitigated by compliance with existing
legislation, including compliance with:
• The Privacy Act of 1974; and
• The Privacy Impact Assessment requirements of the E-Government Act.

Other methods available to the government to reduce privacy risks include the
possibilities of:

The Use of RFID for Human Identification
A DRAFT REPORT from DHS Emerging Applications and Technology Subcommittee
to the Full Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee
Version 1.0

This report has not been considered or approved by the Full Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory
Committee and has not yet been provided to the Secretary or the Chief Privacy Officer of the Department
of Homeland Security as a formal recommendation.

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• Employing a deactivation mechanism, or “kill switch” (where feasible);
• Blocking technology, such as that proposed to be used by the US Department of
State in its passport jackets;
• Adopting an “opt-in/opt-out” framework, where individuals would be given the
choice of whether or not to participate in RFID usage. Under this proposal,
people would be informed of the existence of the tags and the type of information
that would be collected and then could decide whether to participate in the
transaction or not; and
• Mitigating secondary use by reducing the compatibility of readers and tags with
other readers and tags.8

C. Proposed Best Practices for Use of RFID by DHS to Identify and Track
Individuals
The Committee recommends that when DHS chooses to deploy RFID technology to track
individuals, it use as many of the following safeguards as possible and appropriate, given
the proposed use:9

Notice – Individuals should know how and why RFID technology is being used,
including what information is being collected and by whom. DHS should consider using
standardized icons or other images to highlight the existence and use of RFID tags and
the placement of readers;

Choice and Control (Consent) – Individuals should be able to turn off any RFID signal
associated with tracking their presence or activities. Where possible, they also should
have the option not to participate a program involving the use of RFID technology to
track their movements, while maintaining the rights and privileges of other individuals
who are participating in a program involving RFID technology. If a national security or
other argument weighs against individual control, such an argument should be explicitly
stated and debated by representative parties on both sides prior to deciding on the
implementation approach.

Securing Readers and Data – To mitigate eavesdropping and skimming, DHS should
ensure that only authorized readers can receive signals from DHS-authorized RFID tags.

8
Until recently, it was common in government environments to have systems from different vendors
performing similar functions that employ incompatible data formats. Lately, such practices have fallen out
of favor because of the push towards broad information sharing.
9
These proposed best practices draw on a number of sources, including the GAO Report, the EPCglobal
Guidelines for Electronic Product Codes for Consumer Products (see
http://www.epcglobalinc.org/public_policy/public_policy_guidelines.html), and the ARTICLE 29 WORKING
PARTY WORKING DOCUMENT ON DATA PROTECTION ISSUES RELATED TO RFID TECHNOLOGY,
10107/05/EN, WP105 (January 19, 2005) (available at
http://europa.eu.int/comm/justice_home/fsj/privacy/docs/wpdocs/2005/wp105_en.pdf).
The Use of RFID for Human Identification
A DRAFT REPORT from DHS Emerging Applications and Technology Subcommittee
to the Full Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee
Version 1.0

This report has not been considered or approved by the Full Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory
Committee and has not yet been provided to the Secretary or the Chief Privacy Officer of the Department
of Homeland Security as a formal recommendation.

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Data should be encrypted on tags, in transit, and in the database. DHS should limit
carefully the environments in which identification cards are used, and design the RFID
chip so that no two communication sessions appear alike. DHS should also keep
databases secure and unconnected to the Internet. Access to readers and databases should
be limited only to authorized DHS personnel. Overall, DHS should follow the security
recommendations laid out in the GAO Report, including conducting a FISMA review of
the program.

Avoid Function Creep – DHS should use data collected by RFID technology only for
the stated objective. It should keep data for only as long as necessary given the objective.

Education Campaign – If it uses RFID, DHS should engage in an education campaign
regarding the use of RFID, including why it is necessary and what rights and protections
are afforded to individuals.

VIII. Conclusion

RFID technology may have a small benefit in terms of speeding identification processes,
but it is no more resistant to forgery or tampering than any other digital technology. The
use of RFID would predispose identification systems to surveillance uses. Use of RFID
in identification would tend to deprive individuals of the ability to control when they are
identified and what information identification processes transfer. Finally, RFID exposes
identification processes to security weaknesses that non-radio-frequency-based processes
do not share.

The Department of Homeland Security should consider carefully whether to use RFID to
identify and track individuals, given the variety of technologies that may serve the same
goals with less risk to privacy and related interests. Should DHS go forward with RFID
to identify and track individuals, a number of practices and recommendations exist to
guide program managers. More analysis would be needed of specific RFID-based
identification programs, particularly as to collection, maintenance, and use of information
collected via RFID.
The Use of RFID for Human Identification
A DRAFT REPORT from DHS Emerging Applications and Technology Subcommittee
to the Full Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee
Version 1.0

This report has not been considered or approved by the Full Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory
Committee and has not yet been provided to the Secretary or the Chief Privacy Officer of the Department
of Homeland Security as a formal recommendation.

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Appendix — Background Materials on RFID Technology

INFORMATION SECURITY: RADIO FREQUENCY IDENTIFICATION
TECHNOLOGY IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, GAO-05-551 (May 2005),
available at http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05551.pdf

RADIO FREQUENCY IDENTIFICATION: OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES
IN IMPLEMENTATION, DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE (April 2005), available at
http://www.technology.gov/reports/2005/RFID_April.doc

FINAL REGULATORY FLEXIBILITY ANALYSIS OF PASSIVE RADIO
FREQUENCY IDENTIFICATION (RFID), prepared by the Office of the Under
Secretary of Defense for Acquisition Technology & Logistics, available at
http://www.acq.osd.mil/log/rfid/EA_08_02_05_UnHighlighted_Changes.pdf

RADIO FREQUENCY IDENTIFICATION: APPLICATIONS AND IMPLICATIONS
FOR CONSUMERS, A WORKSHOP REPORT FROM THE STAFF OF THE
FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION (March 2005), available at
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2005/03/050308rfidrpt.pdf

RFID: APPLICATIONS, SECURITY, AND PRIVACY (Simson Garfinkel and Beth
Rosenberg, Editors) (2006);

ARTICLE 29 WORKING PARTY WORKING DOCUMENT ON DATA
PROTECTION ISSUES RELATED TO RFID TECHNOLOGY, 10107/05/EN, WP105
(January 19, 2005), available at
http://europa.eu.int/comm/justice_home/fsj/privacy/docs/wpdocs/2005/wp105_en.pdf.

CDT Working Group Set of Best Practices for the commercial use of RFID, May 1, 2006,
available at http://www.cdt.org/privacy/20060501rfid-best-practices.php.

marpat

23-02-2008, 10:49 PM

[/QUOTE]
YOU TRIP YOUR SELF UP EVERY STEP OF THE WAY[/QUOTE]

And how is that? My opinion in these posts is that the technology exists but that it could not be legally used without consent. I do doubt that it can be done on a national level to every person for a lot of reasons. As an electronics tech I have an understanding the limits of electronic devices, what inhibits them, how performance can be degraded ,etc. I can also give an educated guess at what sort of infrastructure would need to be in place for such a system to work. I'm not a guru on the subject but I would think it is safe to say that the hardware required to chip every person in the country adn track them would be immense. You also have to take into account damage to chips. What if something caused 50,000 chips to malfunction. Can you imaging what work would be required to rectify such a problem? there are a lot of jobs that people do out there that could easily destroy small chips. People who work next to powerful magnets for instance, or in areas where there is a strong electro-magnetic field, such as generator rooms. The complications for such devices are endless.

So in short I do think it's an impractical idea on a national level. Even the conclusion in that document does not endorse the system fully. It does mention tracking individuals and to my way of thinking it would be best employed on key individuals such as members of government. My main question for chipping everybody would be WHY??? the gains would be far less than the effort.

So do you have a technical background?

Ouch I have just tripped up again

killmicrosoft

23-02-2008, 11:07 PM

marpat

23-02-2008, 11:16 PM

sorry if you felt it was a personal atack on you it was not ment that way you are pefectly entitled to your view the same as any one else

i do agree in part to what you are saying but things are not always as they seem and their are ways and means of doing anything.

and it does say about implants in individuals

I did state that earlier in the thread that personally I feel it impractical to chip the population to control them, my own thoughts being that it would be far easier to chip and control key government figures, the decision makers. Not only would there be less people to target but the hardware required would be far less.
Having experience of electronic gives a bit of an idea of what can go wrong, or what is impractical. We often have to repair things at work that burn out for no logical reason, small surges in current, old components etc. This is my reason for believing that the idea of a chipped population would not be feasible, or not for a very long time yet.
No hard feelings anyway. It's easy for things to get heated when people are passionate about their ideas I guess.

armoured_amazon

23-02-2008, 11:51 PM

I'm inclined to believe quite a lot of people are chipped already...

killmicrosoft

24-02-2008, 12:02 AM

Right On

being used as non lethal weapons

http://www.usafa.af.mil/df/inss/OCP/ocp15.pdf

please copy and keep this file before they delete from there server (only hosted for 1 week)

http://senduit.com/d5eda6

killmicrosoft

24-02-2008, 12:51 AM

MIND CONTROL

http://www.greatdreams.com/mind_control.htm

marpat

24-02-2008, 09:54 AM

MIND CONTROL

http://www.greatdreams.com/mind_control.htm

If people believe they have implants then why do you never hear stories of them finding the implant. Any electrical device gives off electro magnetism so why are people no sweeping themselves with gaussometers or somthing that can detect electrical fields. Of course the body does have a small amount of electricity but you would expect that the point where a small transmitter was hidden would have a very high reading.

If people used existing technology to locate such implant then they could maybe get x-rays to prove something is there, then get it removed. This would then be an exposure.

I think there are a lot of bizarre people in the world, some just don't integrate with society. I also think that in some cases people with conspiracy interest may try and explain their behaviour as if it is not their own doing but that of a controlling force. Some people may look to such goverment control conspiracies as a way to make them feel special if their lives are really dull. Just an idea so not a belief.
We have discussed the ideas for consent but some of these people are obviousy not giving consent, and therefore such actions are illegal. I used to be a believer of this sort of control before I began to question some of the material being posted onto the internet.

Maybe the guy in the article should give himself a big electric shock to destroy the chip, just joking

killmicrosoft

24-02-2008, 10:15 AM

Your Own Opinion No Need To Dis Other Peoples

marpat
I don't believe in anything which cannot be questioned and prove true or false, and that includes the NWO. In the mean time I keep and open but questioning mind.

killmicrosoft

24-02-2008, 10:54 AM

Geeks queue for RFID implants
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2006/01/06/geeks-queue-for-rfid-implants

RFID implants linked to cancer
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070909-rfid-implants-linked-to-cancer-the-lowdown.html

Though approved by FDA, microchip implants linked to cancer in animal studies
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/10/america/NA-FEA-GEN-US-Chipping-America.php?page=2

Radio tagging ethics needed
http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,,22785408-5013038,00.html?from=public_rss

HF RFID - the Great Leap Forward
http://www.idtechex.com/printedelectronicsworld/articles/hf_rfid_the_great_leap_forward_00000826.asp

Readers Respond to EU Plan to Fingerprint Foreigners
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3127655,00.html

Protecting the Kids With New Child Protective Devices
http://pdfserver.emediawire.com/pdfdownload/675313/pr.pdf

Chip Implants: Better Care or Privacy Scare?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163983,00.html

Feds approve human RFID implants
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/14/human_rfid_implants/?topic=292189
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=49901698

Tracking Us
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2004/10/14/tracking-us.aspx

California Bans Forced RFID Implants For Humans
http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=202402856
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/California-Law-Bans-Forced-Human-RFID-Tagging/

Unix Engineer Takes RFID Implant In Hand
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=175800967

FDA Approves RFID Implants
http://moreresults.factiva.com/results/index/index.aspx?ref=IWK0000020041018e0ai0000f

marpat

24-02-2008, 12:55 PM

Your Own Opinion No Need To Dis Other Peoples

marpat

I am not disrespecting anybody!!! you all have your opinions. I am just a bit of a skeptic. I believe a lot of people who think they are controlled have mental health problems and I find it hard to buy that their conditions are the result of mind control. If it can be proven then I will happily agree tht it is going on but the obvious questions and answers need addressing when it comes down to people saying they are controlled.

There are a lot of mentally ill people out there. A lot of them think they are told what to do be demons, angels, Bob Marley, etc. A lot of them have chemical imbalances cause by drug adiction, and a host of other problems. So what do you think happens when they read a book about a government who wants to chip peoples mind and controls them? they see their own erratic behaviour and lack of self control as evidence that the government are trying to control their minds, although they never seem to have an excuse why the government or military would want to do this. Experiments you might say, but there are plenty of people out there who will happily let medical experiments be carried out on them for a small cash reward. Drug companies do this all the time with human guinea pigs. It wasn't long ago when this sort of thing led to the deaths of a few people in Britain.

I am not trying to turn people away from these subjects nor convince you that mind control cannot happen. I just think that it needs to be done in a way that cannot be disputed and this means eliminating information that is possibly false or inaccurate. I myself am not prepared to accept the word of people who's integrity or mental health is dubious. MY OPINION ONLY.

Have you seen the Manchurian Candidate? this is the sort of scenario I was trying to get across, where the people who control countries and make decisions are the ones that need to be chipped, not the masses.

killmicrosoft

24-02-2008, 01:36 PM

you have some good points their

mad as a cat

24-02-2008, 01:53 PM

While you guys have been chatting, the petition has closed.

Result: a measly 811 signatures.:eek:
.................................................. .........................

This petition is now closed, as its deadline has passed.

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to make a law banning the microchipping of human beings in U.K. More details

Submitted by Stuart Hawkins – Deadline to sign up by: 22 February 2008 – Signatures: 811

.................................................. ...........................

The apathy of the British, at it's best.:mad:

killmicrosoft

24-02-2008, 02:02 PM

rejected

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk:80/Microchipping/

armoured_amazon

24-02-2008, 03:17 PM

:mad:

lookfar

24-02-2008, 04:54 PM

OMG that's a really poor response from UK citizens, I'm very disappointed in this, ggrrrr!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

marpat

24-02-2008, 06:10 PM

OMG that's a really poor response from UK citizens, I'm very disappointed in this, ggrrrr!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Not really. How wide was this petition circulated?

armoured_amazon

24-02-2008, 06:22 PM

I circulated it on a few forums.

deanjames

24-02-2008, 06:25 PM

I circulated it on a few forums.

i put it in a blog on my myspace page had 23 people sign it

armoured_amazon

24-02-2008, 06:33 PM

i put it in a blog on my myspace page had 23 people sign it

That's good. :)

As long as we keep spreading info, the rest of the people can HOPEFULLY start making choices.

truthseeker1980

14-03-2008, 03:47 PM

NEWS TODAY THEY WONT MAKE IT ILLEGAL.

14 March 2008

We received a petition asking:

"We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to make a law banning the microchipping of human beings in U.K."

Details of Petition:

" I would like a law passed by Parliament banning microchipping in humans."

you for signing the e-petition regarding the banning of micro chipping of humans.

The Government is not aware of any organisation or individual that is planning to micro chip humans, and so although in principle the Government would be against this practice, it seems disproportionate to legislate to ban it.

However, you may be reassured that any attempt to micro-chip someone against their will would certainly be covered by the law on assault, and as such is already illegal.

Sorry i posted it on the wrong board. Not been on here for months forgot.

lookfar

14-03-2008, 03:59 PM

truthseeker1980

14-03-2008, 04:23 PM

Hello nik,

I am good, how are you?

At least i can post on here again.

I was disappointed too, no-one seems to take it seriously enough apart from people like us.

armoured_amazon

14-03-2008, 04:26 PM

Just got an email from no.10 today, I presume that's the content?

lookfar

14-03-2008, 07:28 PM

Just got an email from no.10 today, I presume that's the content?

Yeah I got that too, so have just deleted it!:(

killmicrosoft

14-03-2008, 08:26 PM

me too

killmicrosoft

14-03-2008, 10:35 PM

Talk about double talk

Thank you for signing the e-petition regarding the banning of micro chipping of humans.

The Government is not aware of any organisation or individual that is planning to micro chip humans, and so although in principle the Government would be against this practice, it seems disproportionate to legislate to ban it.

However, you may be reassured that any attempt to micro-chip someone against their will would certainly be covered by the law on assault, and as such is already illegal.

principle signifies a point (or points) of probability on a subject (e.g., the principle of creativity), which allows for the formation of rule or norm or law by (human) interpretation of the phenomena (events) that can be created. The rules, norms and laws depend on and co-create a particular context to formulate. A principle is the underlying part (or spirit) of the basis for an evolutionary normative or formative development, which is the object of subjective experience and/or interpretation. For example, the ethics of someone may be seen as a set of principles that the individual obeys in the form of rules, as guidance or law. These principles thus form the basis for such ethics.
Reducing a rule to its principle says that, for the purpose at hand, the principle will not / cannot be questioned or further derived (unless you create new rules). This is a convenient way of reducing the complexity of an argumentation.
The point of principle allows to create all probable versions under its subjective theme, as its reality creation/evolvement under that subject is open-ended and unpredictable relying on choice and option. Rules and laws capture a consensus that certain actions and events will occur under a principle (or a combination of principles).
A principled view for example, implies that an individual has a firm understanding of the underlying principle(s) of events and the rules and laws which govern them inherently and according to our consensus.

disproportionate
Not in fair or equal terms; see proportionality.

Proportionality (law)
Proportionality is wqa principle in law which although related covers two distinct concepts. Within municipal (domestic) law it is used to covey the idea that the punishment of an offender should fit the crime. Under international humanitarian law governing the legal use of force in an armed conflict, proportionality and distinction are important factors in assessing military necessity. The foundations of proportionality has been taken from German Law.

Proportionality (political maxim)
The principle of proportionality is a political maxim which states that no layer of government should take any action that exceeds that which is necessary to achieve the objective of government (Regardless of intent of objective). It was initially developed in the German legal system.

It is a fundamental principle of European Union law. According to this principle, the EU may only act to exactly the extent that is needed to achieve its objectives, and no further. This principle has underpinned the European Communities since their inception in 1957. In the presently applicable primary law, the principle of proportionality is clearly formulated in the third paragraph of Article 5 of the Treaty establishing the European Community

armoured_amazon

14-03-2008, 10:43 PM

Nah, 'fraid not. (ur sig)

hagbard_celine

17-03-2008, 05:56 PM

I've had a reply! Well they posted me a link; probably other undersigned will get one too:

Thank you for signing the e-petition regarding the banning of micro chipping of humans.

The Government is not aware of any organisation or individual that is planning to micro chip humans, and so although in principle the Government would be against this practice, it seems disproportionate to legislate to ban it.

However, you may be reassured that any attempt to micro-chip someone against their will would certainly be covered by the law on assault, and as such is already illegal.

Smell it? I'm knee deep in it!:eek::rolleyes:

free_soul

17-03-2008, 07:21 PM

ive had the reply too....
no atempts to microchip people my arse dont they watch the news lol.

and assault???? since when do they listen to police brutality espeacialy someone who has been chipped lol.

To e honest i couldnt see them passin this law... just shows they have some plan for chips in the near future

geronimo

18-03-2008, 08:28 AM

UK citizens, please take a minute to sign this important petition
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/No2Microchipping/

I signed this petition many months ago, and after an incredibly long delay I received a response from a governmental department to the effect that they had never heard of microchipped human beings, and, since the problem doesn't exist, there was absolutely no need to enact any legislation concerning it. In other words, they intend to do PRECISELY NOTHING. Further petitions will no doubt yield similar terse, brain-dead responses after similar interminable delays intended to make you forget about the whole issue and go back to sleep...

Predictable, eh? but still sign the petition, and go on signing it. The issue will not 'go away' because some prat in a government department says the problem doesn't exist. Yes it does, and it's a crucially important issue for anyone who loves freedom and anyone who feels that human beings have the right to determine their own lives.

geronimo

hagbard_celine

18-03-2008, 10:11 AM

limelady

18-03-2008, 10:23 AM

I signed this petition many months ago, and after an incredibly long delay I received a response from a governmental department to the effect that they had never heard of microchipped human beings, and, since the problem doesn't exist, there was absolutely no need to enact any legislation concerning it. In other words, they intend to do PRECISELY NOTHING. Further petitions will no doubt yield similar terse, brain-dead responses after similar interminable delays intended to make you forget about the whole issue and go back to sleep...

Predictable, eh? but still sign the petition, and go on signing it. The issue will not 'go away' because some prat in a government department says the problem doesn't exist. Yes it does, and it's a crucially important issue for anyone who loves freedom and anyone who feels that human beings have the right to determine their own lives.

geronimo

Yes, predictable is right! :rolleyes:

They know full-well what's going on and as somebody mentioned on another thread, once the government propaganda campaign goes into full-swing (problem/reaction), nobody will be forced into taking a chip, they'll be offering the microchip as a "solution, and people will be lining up for them believing its the best option for keeping themselves and their families safe.

I guess educating others about the 'horror potential' of microchips for the future purpose of mass population control and mind control seems like the best course of action at this stage....providing people are prepared to listen rather than be further brainwashed by govt. propaganda via its lapdog media.

deca

18-03-2008, 04:40 PM

maybe you should send them UK DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE DOCUMENT
Titled - DCDC Global Strategic Trends Programme 2007-2036
(DCDC) stands for Development, Concepts and Doctrine Centre

can be downloaded here
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/articles.html

They think most people will have brain chips by 2035!!!!
page 82 on doc ....97 in adobe
Broadcasts to the Brain
By 2035, an implantable information chip could be developed and wired directly to the
user’s brain. Information and entertainment choices would be accessible through
cognition and might include synthetic sensory perception beamed direct to the user’s
senses. Wider related ICT developments might include the invention of synthetic
telepathy, including mind-to-mind or telepathic dialogue. This type of development would
have obvious military and security, as well as control, legal and ethical, implications.

also

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4396387.stm
A paralysed man in the US has become the first person to benefit from a brain chip that reads his mind.

adzboarder

18-03-2008, 04:58 PM

Go back to sleep citizens, your government has figured out how it all transpires, go back to sleep citizens. Here, go watch American Gladiator, heres 57 channels of it! Watch these pituary retards beat the shit out of each other and relax in the knowledge that you are FREE! You are free to do as we tell you, you are FREE to do as we tell you!