Flight 93 Shanksville

[stelios]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rUzrHHDu96U

this video proves no plane crashed at Shanksville.
The hole was already there

[castle]

Even though 1100 people worked at the site and they recovered 95% of the plane and identified all of the victims?

[steevo]

Even though 1100 people worked at the site and they recovered 95% of the plane and identified all of the victims?

Seen any proof of that Castle ? If so, this is the time and place to provide that proof.

[steevo]

Seen any proof of that Castle ? If so, this is the time and place to provide that proof.

Or in your case Castle, MIS-INFORMATION and DIS-INFORMATION

[lucifershammer]

interesting video. but the scene where they zoomed in on the pre-existing hole/scar in the ground that it showed in shanksville in 1994, could be anywhere in the world. it started in too close to be identified as anything but an anonymous piece of ground.

[stelios]

Even though 1100 people worked at the site and they recovered 95% of the plane and identified all of the victims?that is totally not true, you know fully well

[pigpot]

Even though 1100 people worked at the site and they recovered 95% of the plane and identified all of the victims?

Where are you Castle, fight for what you know is right, you've made a point now back it up.

Come on we all need to know!!!!

pigs

[mercuryrapids]

If I recall correctly, the local coroner said that none of the bodies were identifiable.

[pigpot]

I have now evolved....... More so and in different ways than Darwinist Bullshit.

I am now OPTIMUS PIGPOT, maybe related to OPTIMUS PRIME but not from the planet Cybertron but from FATPIGSARSERTRON!!!!!!!!

And, I will only be known as such from now on.

Sorry if this offends anyone from Cybertron.

And due to the mighty nature of my new name I will grant a new thread for the purpose.

OPTIMUS PIGPOT leader of the pigpotbots.

[castle]

interesting video. but the scene where they zoomed in on the pre-existing hole/scar in the ground that it showed in shanksville in 1994, could be anywhere in the world. it started in too close to be identified as anything but an anonymous piece of ground.

There a good reason for the hole in 1994, the area where the plane crashed was an old landfill site over a defunct coal mine. This is the reason the plane parts entered the ground more easily than normal. Some parts were 30 feet under the ground.

Remains from every victim were recovered and positively identified.

http://www.kcra.com/news/1134481/detail.html

SHANKSVILLE, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- The FBI announced Monday that its investigation of the site where a hijacked jet slammed into a field here is complete and that 95 percent of the plane was recovered.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/24/inv.pennsylvania.site/index.html

[castle]

If I recall correctly, the local coroner said that none of the bodies were identifiable.

If Wally Miller the local coroner had a penny for every time his comments were used out of context he would be a rich man. He meant none could be identified by sight. Victims body parts were identified using dental records fingerprints and DNA.

[stelios]

If I recall correctly, the local coroner said that none of the bodies were identifiable.
the coroner initially said there were no bodies

[castle]

Wally Miller says he was misquoted.

"I said that I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because it was perfectly clear what the manner of death was going to be.

"It was a plane crash, but yet it was a homicide because terrorists had hijacked the plane and killed the passengers."

He says it is technically correct that there were no complete bodies at the crash site, but the recovery operation found many body parts and DNA to identify all the passengers and crew on board.

Wally Miller personally identified 12 passengers.

[mercuryrapids]

Okay, I accept that the coroner was misquoted, but how come the WTC and Pentagon planes, along with everyhting on them, were virtually vapourised, yet the plane that slammed into the ground in Pennsylvania was 95% recovered, along with enough body parts to identify the victims?

[castle]

The remains of all but one of the people on Flight 77 (pentagon) were identified. In total 184 of the 189 that died were identified.

Plane debit was also recovered. Along with dead passengers still strapped in their seats.

Dr. Charles Hirsch, reported about a year after the WTC attacks that 33 victims from Flight 11 (North Tower) and 12 victims from Flight 175 (South Tower) had been identified. Obviously the planes or what was left of them going down with the building cause more horrific damage to plane parts and bodies on top of the impact and fire.

Some plane parts did survive the impacts at WTC. A large part of a jet engine turbine and 2 sets of landing gear were found in the street. Along with a piece of fuselage found on a roof. Life jackets and portions of seats were found on the roof of the Bankers Trust building.

[graflok]

Flight 93 was shot down. The Secretary of Defense said so here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0).

You don't think a government official would lie to us, do you?

[mercuryrapids]

Are there any photographs of the wreckage of the four airliners laid out for forensic analysis? When an air disaster happens, the investigating agencies (NTSB etc.) 'rebuild' the plane in large hangars. Are there any photographs of this procedure? Obviously I don't want to see photos of mutilated bodies strapped into seats, although no doubt they were taken by the authorities.

My point is that for any given air disaster, there is a lot of documentation concerning the investigation into the circumstances. All we seem to have for 9/11 is 'official' authorities saying things without providing documentary evidence.

[castle]

It's fairly common in crash forensics to reconstruct the aircraft from debris.

But doesn't the NTSB do such reconstructions in order to find out why the accident happened? In this case it's fairly obvious, isn't it? It flew into a building/the ground. Sure, there might be valuable forensic evidence in the wreckage, but what use does a reconstruction of the plane serve?

What we have to remember as well is the fact that unlike most plane crashes there were hardly any large parts left. Most was mangled up small fragments. The coroner at Shanksville said he didn't see a plane. Obviously the CT's use this a "proof" saying there was no plane. He goes on to say it was like a hole in the ground with a load of scrap metal in it. He illustrating just how messed up what was left was.

In the debit fields we see from most crashes there are large bits of wreckage tail fins fusilarge etc but in theses cases the pilot would have tried to hit the ground as gently as possible. This is not the case on 911 the planes that hit buildings throttled up to hit as hard as they could. The plane at shanksville hit the ground at 5050 mph almost straight down.

There are pictures of wreckage on site and Ive see pictures of wreckage and evidence in evidence bags try google images.

[barbitone]

It's fairly common in crash forensics to reconstruct the aircraft from debris.

But doesn't the NTSB do such reconstructions in order to find out why the accident happened? In this case it's fairly obvious, isn't it? It flew into a building/the ground. Sure, there might be valuable forensic evidence in the wreckage, but what use does a reconstruction of the plane serve?

What we have to remember as well is the fact that unlike most plane crashes there were hardly any large parts left. Most was mangled up small fragments. The coroner at Shanksville said he didn't see a plane. Obviously the CT's use this a "proof" saying there was no plane. He goes on to say it was like a hole in the ground with a load of scrap metal in it. He illustrating just how messed up what was left was.

In the debit fields we see from most crashes there are large bits of wreckage tail fins fusilarge etc but in theses cases the pilot would have tried to hit the ground as gently as possible. This is not the case on 911 the planes that hit buildings throttled up to hit as hard as they could. The plane at shanksville hit the ground at 5050 mph almost straight down.

There are pictures of wreckage on site and Ive see pictures of wreckage and evidence in evidence bags try google images.

What a load of crapola. Do you work for FOX news or something?

[castle]

No i dont work for Fox.

Could you explain why you think what i popsted is "crapola"?

[lucifershammer]

anyone have any other info on that crater being there prior to 9/11?

[mercuryrapids]

Castle said: It flew into a building/the ground

Hmmm, I thought that was what happened in all plane crashes. They generally don't crash anywhere else. The reconstruction should happen anyway because the investigation, even if the powers that be have decided on the cause, needs to be impartial. They have to approach it from a neutral perspective. If they didn't, then they are guilty of unprofessionalism and not doing everything in their power to find out what happened.

Sure, they are told that the passengers overpowered the hijackers and the plane nosedived into the ground, but they still need to forensically examine the wreckage to confirm that nothing else happened to the plane i.e. a bomb went off or it was shot down or any other number of explanations. Just saying, "Oh, we know what happened therefore we are not going to investigate it properly" is an insult to the victims and their families - a claim often levelled at 9/11 Truthers, ironically.

[castle]

Yes they normally crash into the ground buildings or something the point is this was no accident it was done on purpose something i thought i said in my previous post but omitted by mistake.

You forget the flight data recorders and the cockpit audio recorder they hold a wealth of information. They didn't Just say well this is what we think happened they build the picture around evidence and data. If the flight had been shot down, systems had failed or a bomb had gone off then the data recorders would have clearly indicated this. If that had been the case then maybe they would have rebuilt the plane. If the data recorder shows someone took the stick and nose dived the plane into the ground you can rebuild all you like but what more are you going to know?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41554000/jpg/_41554884_416fdr_ap.jpg

[mercuryrapids]

It has been shown, though, that flight recorders are not infallible (notably the Pentagon FDR that appears to show the plane was much higher than claimed, too high to knock down the lampposts).

See also http://pilotsfor911truth.org/UAL93.html

[mercuryrapids]

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/latestnews.html

[...]

United Airlines Flight 93

This flight was reported by the federal government to be a Boeing 757 aircraft, registration number N591UA, carrying 45 persons, including four Arab hijackers who had taken control of the aircraft, crashing the plane in a Pennsylvania farm field.

Aerial photos of the alleged crash site were made available to the general public. They show a shallow, smoking hole in the ground, but private investigators were not allowed to come anywhere near the alleged crash site. If an aircraft crash caused the hole in the ground, there would have literally hundreds of serially controlled time-change parts within the hole that would have proven beyond any shadow of doubt the precise tail-number or identity of the aircraft. However, the government has not produced any physical evidence that would prove beyond doubt, the specific identity of the aircraft that allegedly crashed at that site. On the contrary, it was reported that the aircraft, registry number N591UA, was still in operation for several weeks after September 11, 2001 .

[...]

...with all the evidence available at the Shanksville, Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged.

[...]

Footnote: It has now been more than five years since the tragic events of 9/11/01 , and still the general public has seen no physical evidence that should have been collected at each of the four crash sites, (a routine requirement during mandatory investigations of each and every major aircraft crash.) The National Transportation Safety Board has announced on its website that responsibility for the investigations and reports have been assigned to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, but the FBI has refused to publicly release any copies of their mandatory investigations. The FBI response to a request for copies of their reports under the Freedom of Information Act was a refusal. The agency claimed that their investigation reports were "in a file", and that the FBI was exempt from FOIA release, "due to the sensibilities of surviving families of the crash victims".

In other words, a proper investigation into the crashes was not allowed to be undertaken by the NTSB.

[castle]

It has been shown, though, that flight recorders are not infallible (notably the Pentagon FDR that appears to show the plane was much higher than claimed, too high to knock down the lampposts).

See also http://pilotsfor911truth.org/UAL93.html

The pressure transducer is not optimized (calibrated) to accurately record at low altitudes and very high speeds. Anyone analyzing the data would have known this.

Planes are rebuilt to help find out why they crashed. When the reason for the crash is already known and collaborated by data and evidence for many other sources theres no point in trying to find out what you already know.

Disrespecting the dead take a look at this. Avery one of the truthers leading light at the beginning hear how he slates that woman? He truly needs a good kicking. Hear bermas later say the firefighters from the WTC attacks have been paid off. I bet he wouldn't say that to one of them. To be fair he retracted that stament and insisted some Jedi mind trick was played on him. Now he says the firefighters and their families have been threatened to keep to keep quiet.

9/11 Deniers Speak - Exposing the 9/11 "Truth" Movement and Loose Change. Google video
9/11 Deniers Speak 2 (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7216643725166640147&q=9%2F11+Deniers+Speak&total=9&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1)

[castle]

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/latestnews.html



In other words, a proper investigation into the crashes was not allowed to be undertaken by the NTSB.

The FBI conducted the investigation, why?

Once again this wasnt an accident this was deliberate murder.

I dont know about not seeing any evidence there are photographs or are they saying we should all get a piece mailed to us?

[mercuryrapids]

How did the investigators know it was murder? Isn't justice supposed to be blind? Just because there is an official theory for the events, there should still be a full and thorough investigation and that includes all relevant agencies, including the NTSB.

So, where are the photos of all this 95% of the plane wreckage that was recovered?

About Dylan Avery, my comment wasn't about individual incidents, I was referring to comments by the likes of Hannity and O'Reilly who say that questioning the official conspiracy theory (for that is what it is) is an insult to the victims and their families. I agree that there are wild and woolly theories out there and most of them should be soundly rejected, but the fact is that there are still huge questions that need to be answered about what happened on 9/11 and the powers that be aren't answering them.

I get the feeling, though, that we're going to have to agree to disagree on this...

[castle]

How did the investigators know it was murder? Isn't justice supposed to be blind? Just because there is an official theory for the events, there should still be a full and thorough investigation and that includes all relevant agencies, including the NTSB.

So, where are the photos of all this 95% of the plane wreckage that was recovered?

About Dylan Avery, my comment wasn't about individual incidents, I was referring to comments by the likes of Hannity and O'Reilly who say that questioning the official conspiracy theory (for that is what it is) is an insult to the victims and their families. I agree that there are wild and woolly theories out there and most of them should be soundly rejected, but the fact is that there are still huge questions that need to be answered about what happened on 9/11 and the powers that be aren't answering them.

I get the feeling, though, that we're going to have to agree to disagree on this...

After the evidence and data was investigated you got what we are left with the official version of events. There was a full investigation you can take the official version or leave it.

Huge questions like?

[castle]

Four planes are hijacked 3 are crashed into buildings intentionally. On the forth the passengers are planning to storm the cockpit and try and regain control. The plane goes into a nose dive during the passengers attempt and crashes into the ground. The Data recorders show that there was no mechanical failure and the plane was flown into the ground. What would rebuilding the plane reveal?

The ribbons round the trees indicate the tree has been claimed and examined for crash debit.

http://pittsburgh.about.com/library/graphics/tree_tags.jpg

Thats how you recover 95% of something thats been smashed to smithereens, with meticulous investigation.

All you have to do i search for pictures.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/rob_rickards/images/crash2a.jpg

http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/united93/planepart1.jpg

http://www.mishalov.com/flight93-voice-recorder.jpg

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/images/1/13/P200061.jpg

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/93debris1.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/images/flight_93.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41554000/jpg/_41554892_416wreckage_ap.jpg

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ame/911/911rep/img/ch9_6.jpg

http://cryptome.org/911/P200063-1.jpg

[steevo]

Castle you seem to be on a mission.

[castle]

Im on a mission lol may be, im looking for truth and facts.

I told all my friends and family 911 was an inside job for years then had to go back and tell them i was wrong. Thing is some of them actually believed what i told them and still do. So know i have to try and explain to them why i was wrong.

Things like miss quoting the coroner get my goat. How hard is it to check a single fact like that?

[steevo]

Things like miss quoting the coroner get my goat. How hard is it to check a single fact like that?

I'm not sure he was mis-quoted. I saw him interviewed when he said he was mis-quoted and he looked frightened.

[castle]

Look at the crash site can you see any bodies or in fact a plane? I cant all i can see is what he said next, a hole in the ground that looks like someone dumped scrap metal into it.

The guy spent 2 weeks picking up body parts and identified 12 personally.

[barbitone]

So what does it look like when you launch a missile into a field?
Big hole with lots of little bits of white debri?
Perhaps?:rolleyes:


The guy spent 2 weeks picking up body parts and identified 12 personally.

Link? Evidence?

[castle]

So what does it look like when you launch a missile into a field?
Big hole with lots of little bits of white debri?
Perhaps?:rolleyes:

Big missile that weighs 95% of a Boeing 757-222. You obviously havent looked at the pictures i posted or searched for any yourself.

Officially, Miller was charged with identifying the victims, returning what remains were recovered and caring for the site of the crash. He personally identified 12 bodies through fingerprints and teeth. The remaining 32 bodies had to be identified with DNA testing.

www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/jenny/1566363.html

[stelios]

I told all my friends and family 911 was an inside job for years then had to go back and tell them i was wrong. Thing is some of them actually believed what i told them and still do. So know i have to try and explain to them why i was wrong.

you are joking arent you?
the more people look into everything the more obvious it becomes that Bush/Cheney/Mossad/Silverstein/Giuliani done it all themselves

[boots]

Your kidding me are'nt you the same plane that one of the passagers ring's he's mum on a mobile phone that dont work above 2000 feet an say's it's me mum states he name and say's you believe me dont you who ever talk's to there mother like that. it's all BS.

[boots]

That plane was meant for the White House or the Capitol Building but the stand down order didnt get through to 2 pilots of the F16's that shot down that plane. As witnessed by residents of neighbouring towns and discovery of aircraft part's in peoples backyards. Of cause you wont hear that in the official reports or newspapers. If flight 93 had hit it's intended target it would be the perfect excuse for martial law signed sealed and delivered.:rolleyes:

[mercuryrapids]

http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_secondary_debris_field.html

[amercury]

I remember watching the news all day and night on 9/11, and they showed pics of Shanksville that day. There was nothing there except a hole in the ground. How could they clean up debris and body parts that quickly?

http://www.videosift.com/video/911-Flight-93-Footage-Censored-News-Coverage

[jerichoforce]

they were busy stearing something ese :rolleyes:

[castle]

Your kidding me are'nt you the same plane that one of the passagers ring's he's mum on a mobile phone that dont work above 2000 feet an say's it's me mum states he name and say's you believe me dont you who ever talk's to there mother like that. it's all BS.

People do like to quote out of context and get things wrong round here. For a start Bingham phoned his mother using the air phone and second you can make calls from a plane not reliably but it can be done. As for the call its self thats the way people like Alex Jones say the phone call went. His mother who took the call has commented on this. She didn't find it strange that he said its you son Mark Bingham at all as it was something he did do especially when nervous or worried. As for the you do belive me dont you mom you have taken that right out of context. Bingham said mom some men have hijacked the plane. His mother said what men then he said you do belive me dont you mom.

When people realise Jones and co have actually misquoted a dead man on purpose to suite their ends they dont want to belive it. So they then normally say his mothers in on it.

[castle]

I remember watching the news all day and night on 9/11, and they showed pics of Shanksville that day. There was nothing there except a hole in the ground. How could they clean up debris and body parts that quickly?

http://www.videosift.com/video/911-Flight-93-Footage-Censored-News-Coverage


They didn't the planes still there in pieces some of which reached up to 25 feet under the ground.

[steevo]

They didn't the planes still there in pieces some of which reached up to 25 feet under the ground.

More mis-information from the NWO.

[castle]

More mis-information from the NWO.

Prove it

[steevo]

Prove it

Do the research YOURSELF you lazy sod. All you do is spout off the official bullshit story that the NWO are pushing onto every man, woman and child who has a tv.

[graflok]

Do the research YOURSELF you lazy sod. All you do is spout off the official bullshit story that the NWO are pushing onto every man, woman and child who has a tv.

:D:D:D

[castle]

Do the research YOURSELF you lazy sod. All you do is spout off the official bullshit story that the NWO are pushing onto every man, woman and child who has a tv.

Lol so you cant then just as it thought. Has someones bluff been called lol. You steevo are the one that made the assertion therfore the burden of proof is on you. Funny how you get all aggressive and start the name calling again why is that lol.

Actually steevo i have done the research thats why i can point out when people misquote and the like. Doing the research took me from being a 911 conspiracy theorist to seeing the truth. 911 David Icke and Alex Jones tell lies about it get over-it you've been had over.

Isn't anyone going to say Mark Binghams mom must be in on it?

[steevo]

Lol so you cant then just as it thought. Has someones bluff been called lol. You steevo are the one that made the assertion therfore the burden of proof is on you. Funny how you get all aggressive and start the name calling again why is that lol.

Actually steevo i have done the research thats why i can point out when people misquote and the like. Doing the research took me from being a 911 conspiracy theorist to seeing the truth. 911 David Icke and Alex Jones tell lies about it get over-it you've been had over.

Isn't anyone going to say Mark Binghams mom must be in on it?

As I said I have done the research, you castle, have been spoon fed the story by the main-stream media. You can post all the mis-information on here that you wish but that is all it is, MISINFORMATION.

[mercuryrapids]

In fairness to castle, he said he used to be a 9/11 truther, but felt the evidence didn't really add up. That's fair enough and I fully respect his views. I accept that there are some parts of the 'alternative' 9/11 theories that are just plain bonkers at worst or difficult to prove at best. There are also, though, a hell of a lot of unanswered questions about what happened that day, or questions that have been answered unsatifsactorily by the authorities.

[castle]

You mentioned the unanswered questions before what are theses questions?

What Ive found a lot is someone like Alex Jones will say the official version says this and then go on to show why its wrong when in reality the official version does not say what he claimed.

[castle]

As I said I have done the research, you castle, have been spoon fed the story by the main-stream media. You can post all the mis-information on here that you wish but that is all it is, MISINFORMATION.

Are you planning on making a full time occupation out of being wrong. steevo why is it you spend so much time attacking me personally and so little refuting what i post? Sorry if you want me to take you seriously you will have to do better than this. Posting that i post misinformation and the other things you post about me dosent really cut it does it?

[barbitone]

They didn't the planes still there in pieces some of which reached up to 25 feet under the ground.

lol

[steevo]

Sorry if you want me to take you seriously you will have to do better than this. Posting that i post misinformation and the other things you post about me dosent really cut it does it?

I want nothing from you castle.
You DO post mis-information. It appears to me that you are on the forum with the purpose of doing just that, posting mis-information, and in effect demoralise us and stop us "fighting" the NWO and to stop new members from feeling that there is any hope.
David Icke is one of the most important people involved in the awakening process. Hence this forum becomes a magnet for people seeking more information. The NWO are aware of this and will try, and fail, to destroy it :)

[mercuryrapids]

You mentioned the unanswered questions before what are theses questions?



NORAD stand down
Bush doing sod all in the classroom
WTC 7 collapse
Explosions in the tower basement before the first plane hit
Evidence of thermate in tower debris
Put options placed before attacks
Pakistani ISI wiring Atta $100,000
Several of the alleged hijackers turning up alive
Why have only the Pentagon CCTV and one from a gas station/store that shows nothing been released?

I'm sure others will think of more...

[castle]

lol
Thats the best you can do is it? No evidence to the contrary then.

[castle]

I want nothing from you castle.
You DO post mis-information. It appears to me that you are on the forum with the purpose of doing just that, posting mis-information, and in effect demoralise us and stop us "fighting" the NWO and to stop new members from feeling that there is any hope.
David Icke is one of the most important people involved in the awakening process. Hence this forum becomes a magnet for people seeking more information. The NWO are aware of this and will try, and fail, to destroy it :)

If you want nothing from me why do you keep posting to me?

If i post misinformation you will be able to proved it why dont you instead of the name calling?

Gosh you really are messed up and i dont mean that as an insult. If you really think that about me you need professional help.

[castle]

NORAD stand down
Bush doing sod all in the classroom
WTC 7 collapse
Explosions in the tower basement before the first plane hit
Evidence of thermate in tower debris
Put options placed before attacks
Pakistani ISI wiring Atta $100,000
Several of the alleged hijackers turning up alive
Why have only the Pentagon CCTV and one from a gas station/store that shows nothing been released?

I'm sure others will think of more...

www.911myths.com

Can i just ask if you still belive some hijackers turned up alive where are you doing your research? I didn't think there was a 911 truther out there who still believes that.

Heres Walid al-Shihri the guy the bbc claimed was named as a hijacker but is still alive.

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/WAAS.jpg

Here is Walid al-Shihri the hijaker.

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/alshehr5.jpg

Same guy?

[veritas2007]

Mercuryrapids, here's 40 unanswered questions from 9/11:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646

Some of the questions that made me doubt the official story and got me into all of this are:

Insider trading prior to the "attacks"
Multiple military exercises on the day dealing with terrorist activity
Freefalling buildings

[steevo]

If you want nothing from me why do you keep posting to me?

If i post misinformation you will be able to proved it why dont you instead of the name calling?

Gosh you really are messed up and i dont mean that as an insult. If you really think that about me you need professional help.

Sorry for calling you a "lazy sod", I should not have done that.

How do you know you are not posting mis-information ? "Prove you are not", how silly does that sound ?

As i have said before, you just post stuff that the mainstream media has told you. YOU seem to want to prove that the mainstream media are telling the truth. You dont show proof, you just REPEAT what they tell you and then try to convince people it is the truth. We have all seen the mainstream media news thank you very much and the story dont fit, there are too many holes in it.

[mercuryrapids]

www.911myths.com

Can i just ask if you still belive some hijackers turned up alive where are you doing your research? I didn't think there was a 911 truther out there who still believes that.

Heres Walid al-Shihri the guy the bbc claimed was named as a hijacker but is still alive.

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/WAAS.jpg

Here is Walid al-Shihri the hijaker.

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/alshehr5.jpg

Same guy?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_flt_11.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_flt_175.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_flt_77.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_flt_93.html

[castle]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_flt_11.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_flt_175.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_flt_77.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_flt_93.html

The people the BBC said were suspected 911 terrorists but were still alive simply had the same name as a 911 hijacker and in some cases the names were not even the same. Sloppy journalism and when pictures of the hijackers were compared with pictures of the people still alive they were clearly not the same people. As you can see in the pictures i posted thats 2 different people.

This claim really is a none starter.

[boots]

What would you do to insure that the [mission] was a success cover all bases http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/24/nfcnn.01.html here is good old Donald Rumsfield with a fruedlian slip and listern to this it explains a lot and dont try and tell me Alex Jones is CIA agent just listen http://www.infowars.com/transcripts/degranpres.htm

[barbitone]

Thats the best you can do is it? No evidence to the contrary then.

Ha ha!:D

[citroen999]

anyone see this the other day?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=490284&in_page_id=1770

This was a terror attack on a plane just like the other 4, but in the lockerbie case they found more wreckage than the other 4 put together.

Strange that innit?

And its kept in some old blokes scrapyard, obviously this was a true terrorist attack as the FBI, CIA, MI5, MI6 havent had it loaded on trucks and hidden;)

[pri01]

anyone see this the other day?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=490284&in_page_id=1770

This was a terror attack on a plane just like the other 4, but in the lockerbie case they found more wreckage than the other 4 put together.

Strange that innit?

And its kept in some old blokes scrapyard, obviously this was a true terrorist attack as the FBI, CIA, MI5, MI6 havent had it loaded on trucks and hidden;)


was this a genuine terror attack?

I do agree though, more plane parts than 4 put together. There is almost a whole cockpit visible, and given the impact of Lockerbie plane at the speed and height it will have fallen;I would guess around 33'000 feet you would expect fragments.

[citroen999]

when i said "terrorist attack" i meant allegedly!! :p

[stelios]

was this a genuine terror attack?

I do agree though, more plane parts than 4 put together. There is almost a whole cockpit visible, and given the impact of Lockerbie plane at the speed and height it will have fallen;I would guess around 33'000 feet you would expect fragments.


Lockerbie has been proven to have been an inside job
The appeal is going through the court at the moment and is FINANCED and supported by the victims families.

FBI offered me $4m: Lockerbie bomb witness
MICHAEL HOWIE
HOME AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT (mhowie@scotsman.com)
A WITNESS in the Lockerbie case has claimed he was offered $4 million (£2 million) by American investigators to lie to the trial judges.

read more
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=11567&highlight=

[killtown]

If anyone still believes a 757 crashed in Shanksville, ask them why is there a shallow imprint of a vertical stabilizer in the "soft ground," yet no sign of a vertical stabilizer?

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/msnbc-tail.jpghttp://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/ua757-side_small.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/crater.html

[killtown]

And this is how the planted the engine scrap:

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/5276/enginescrapgp7.jpg
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=120

They simply lowered it down with their backhoe bucket!


Also watch:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/806/littleenginethatcouldntfr0.jpg
http://hoodwinkedatshanksville.blogspot.com/2007/09/little-engine-that-couldnt.html

[dave52]

Good to have you aboard Killtown.

Incidently, did anyone catch today's plane crash story from Turkey? If you look at the pictures and video, you can actually see that a plane did in fact crash. Compare to Shanksville at your leisure...

The BBC has the story here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7120268.stm)

[killtown]

Good to have you aboard Killtown.

Incidently, did anyone catch today's plane crash story from Turkey? If you look at the pictures and video, you can actually see that a plane did in fact crash. Compare to Shanksville at your leisure...

The BBC has the story here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7120268.stm)
Thanks Dave. Amazing how well the fuselage survived in that crash:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44270000/jpg/_44270976_ap203bodywreck.jpg