What Do They Fear and Why??

[mountain]

I am referring to the Illuminati, the Negative entities, or whatever name you have for them.

I have a few ideas, and I would like to hear what others think. If there is so much conspiracy involving the human race, or the soulmatrix, what is it that the Illuminati want most control of and what are they most afraid of??

My instinct tells me that one vital thing is the mind, heart and soul connection. When these three energies are in sync, I believe there is nothing anybody can do to control you.

[lenejento]

Maybe they fear that they don't have a soul:eek:

I have no idea, this is a tough question indeed, one to ponder :) Good one!

Come on people, please dare to discuss this topic humbly, we might end up having them completely sussed!!! ;)

[alleendewaarheid]

they are afraid of love and unity of the people.

they are afraid that you all will figure out you are gods.

they are afraid you'll figure out everything is an illusion but love!

[lenejento]

they are afraid of love and unity of the people.

they are afraid that you all will figure out you are gods.

they are afraid you'll figure out everything is an illusion but love!

why are they afraid of this? What were they afraid of in the first place to even want ultimate control and power?

[alleendewaarheid]

they are afraid of this because with unity and love the people would work together and build a beautiful world.

if you get people focusing on how "separate they are" and how "dangerous the world is" then you'll get people afraid and staying to themselves. their main goal is to get all of us focused on the outside projection. we collectively as a consciousness create this planet together. if they can get you angry, afraid and separate with gloomy thoughts then you'll create that collectively because your thoughts create matter.

they want ultimate control and power probably because from the time they were young they were indoctrinated in a system of abuse, fear, anger, hatred, separateness and division. they were probably raised to hate humans and to want to control them. they want control and power probably because inside they are actually very weak and out of control.

also..collectively as a consciousness we created the duality and the illuminati are a part of the duality ("dark versus light" etc.)

they only have power because we have allowed it. once people are aware of the illusion and begin to love each other and unite...then they lose!

[lenejento]

they are afraid of this because with unity and love the people would work together and build a beautiful world.

if you get people focusing on how "separate they are" and how "dangerous the world is" then you'll get people afraid and staying to themselves. their main goal is to get all of us focused on the outside projection. we collectively as a consciousness create this planet together. if they can get you angry, afraid and separate with gloomy thoughts then you'll create that collectively because your thoughts create matter.

they want ultimate control and power probably because from the time they were young they were indoctrinated in a system of abuse, fear, anger, hatred, separateness and division. they were probably raised to hate humans and to want to control them. they want control and power probably because inside they are actually very weak and out of control.

also..collectively as a consciousness we created the duality and the illuminati are a part of the duality ("dark versus light" etc.)

they only have power because we have allowed it. once people are aware of the illusion and begin to love each other and unite...then they lose!

So if you trace that back, who started it and why?

I just don't get why anyone would want to do what they're doing, I get the indoctrination, but how about the one who started it, the one who got the idea in the first place?

You know, I'm beginning to think that they know about oneness, they know that karma doesen't exist and that oneness (or God) won't punish them, so in their view, why not? However, they must not really be able to realize themselves as this oneness, if they could, they would NOT feel the need or want to do what their doing...

So, it's very puzzling to me....

[phoebe]

They fear death of course.
As all egos do - that's what all fears are really
based around - the loss of self as a possession.
Look at what a single ego does in order to
make their presence seem more permanent -
they buy a big house, fill it with things, make lots
of babies, do things in order to be 'rememered',
seeing these things as an extension of self.
The individual person might if they are lucky,
get a bench made with their name on it after they die.

Being that the illuminati is simply a manifestation of
our collective ego, the same goes for them too,
except on a far larger scale.

They keep families interbreeding to preserve the 'bloodline'.
They try to hoard all the jewels, precious metals etc in the world
and 'immortalise' themselves not with benches,
but with statues, buildings, paintings etc.

Big fat egos.
Just like everyone else.

[lenejento]

They fear death of course.
As all egos do - that's what all fears are really
based around - the loss of self as a possession.
Look at what a single ego does in order to
make their presence seem more permanent -
they buy a big house, fill it with things, make lots
of babies, do things in order to be 'rememered',
seeing these things as an extension of self.
The individual person might if they are lucky,
get a bench made with their name on it after they die.

Being that the illuminati is simply a manifestation of
our collective ego, the same goes for them too,
except on a far larger scale.

They keep families interbreeding to preserve the 'bloodline'.
They try to hoard all the jewels, precious metals etc in the world
and 'immortalise' themselves not with benches,
but with statues, buildings, paintings etc.

Big fat egos.
Just like everyone else.

So they enslave a whole planet to survive? But they will die at around the same age as the rest of us. Doesen't seem very worthwhile, throwing away your life for one plan, and a life filled with horror, that you created, then dying. Why don't they want to spend those precious years in love?

[dondaz]

they want ultimate control and power probably because from the time they were young they were indoctrinated in a system of abuse, fear, anger, hatred, separateness and division. they were probably raised to hate humans and to want to control them. they want control and power probably because inside they are actually very weak and out of control.


Hey alleendewaarheid, I found something I totally agree with you on.

Things are getting better eh! They are a product of their childhood, as we all are and they won't stop. It is what they do.

[phoebe]

So they enslave a whole planet to survive? But they will die at around the same age as the rest of us. Doesen't seem very worthwhile, throwing away your life for one plan, and a life filled with horror, that you created, then dying. Why don't they want to spend those precious years in love?

Ego doesn't understand love.
Well, not real love.
Egoic love is attachment, obsession with possession.
What does any ego do?
Ego lives a life full of fear and horror, that you created,
then you die.
Perhaps they have a revelation on their death bed like most people,
but as I said, illuminati is manifestation of our collective ego,
so each point is exaggerated a thousandfold.

[father_pyramid]

They fear as we do, as we are them. We are everything that exists. It is simply our fear that "creates" "them", so what "they" fear, is us not having fear.

For those who say Alex Jones, and other conspiracy reseachers are "evil" because they are "fearmongerers" or agents are w/e. Well, I like to say, we need to use information to figure out how information keeps us in-formation. Awareness of fear is not fear. It's like when you have a problem and choose to ignore it, it gets worse, not better. In order to eliminate fear, we need to find out what it is, how it works, who uses it and why, etc.

[majicdragon]

We're them?... you're them?... Are you a person who owns a country and wants to own the planet???

We're not them.

This we are them bullshit will play right what you do not want.

Try saying we are them when they are killing your next door neighbors. Try telling your next door neighbors we are them.

Geez, not even Icke says we are them... He says we are sheep and they are fucking EVIL REPTILES!

[majicdragon]

do you think the sheep dreamed up the reptiles???

what the fuck has happened to this board, don't people think anymore?


Hello to the people that think. THINK! to the people that (hello) are nuts!

[father_pyramid]

We're them?... you're them?... Are you a person who owns a country and wants to own the planet???

We're not them.

This we are them bullshit will play right what you do not want.

Try saying we are them when they are killing your next door neighbors. Try telling your next door neighbors we are them.

Geez, not even Icke says we are them... He says we are sheep and they are fucking EVIL REPTILES!

You're thinking far to three dimensional my friend.

We ARE them. We are all a unique part of a whole. When we change ourselves we change the world. If everyone in the world rids evil from themselves, evil will cease to exist.

Oh and by the way Icke does say we are them. You've not read all his material, have you?

[lookfar]

We're them?... you're them?... Are you a person who owns a country and wants to own the planet???

We're not them.

This we are them bullshit will play right what you do not want.

Try saying we are them when they are killing your next door neighbors. Try telling your next door neighbors we are them.

Geez, not even Icke says we are them... He says we are sheep and they are fucking EVIL REPTILES!

I agree with father_pyramid here. We are them, because we are all connected, we are part of everything that exists.

& I don't think I've ever heard Icke say that they're "fucking evil reptiles" either!

[majicdragon]

OK, you think how you wish, you're them. I'll think how a rational person thinks... You're crazy. don't get me absolutely wrong here though, on some level we are all one, just that in this level where we live, we are individuals. Am I wrong? Are you not an individual?

And if you're not an individual, then you really are them. You have been assimilated. But I know you can see your little arms and little legs, so I know you know you aren't THEM!

And when I think of the possibilities that you are indeed them... they only include you, as individuals with your little arms and legs, working for them.

[alleendewaarheid]

phoebe,

what you say was very good!

[father_pyramid]

OK, you think how you wish, you're them. I'll think how a rational person thinks... You're crazy. don't get me absolutely wrong here though, on some level we are all one, just that in this level where we live, we are individuals. Am I wrong? Are you not an individual?

And if you're not an individual, then you really are them. You have been assimilated. But I know you can see your little arms and little legs, so I know you know you aren't THEM!

And when I think of the possibilities that you are indeed them... they only include you, as individuals with your little arms and legs, working for them.

:rolleyes:

Dude the whole message of David Icke IS that WE ARE THEM. And that fighting them won't change anything, because they are us. Be the change you want to see. Don't comb the mirror, come your hair and see the reflection change.

This is not masonic microchipped oneness(assimilated). Can you not see this? We ARE all individuals - but we are unique parts of ONE whole.

Blaming reptiles or aliens or others will get us nowhere. Want to find out who to blame? look in the mirror :)

[alleendewaarheid]

So if you trace that back, who started it and why?

I just don't get why anyone would want to do what they're doing, I get the indoctrination, but how about the one who started it, the one who got the idea in the first place?

You know, I'm beginning to think that they know about oneness, they know that karma doesen't exist and that oneness (or God) won't punish them, so in their view, why not? However, they must not really be able to realize themselves as this oneness, if they could, they would NOT feel the need or want to do what their doing...

So, it's very puzzling to me....

lenejento,

it was created by we the collective consciousness....our thoughts together create everything including the weather..

if you think 3-dimensionally...maybe they got hold of documentation 100s of years ago of how your thoughts create reality and how this is an illusion..etc.etc...

combine that with a possibly abusive upbringing where someone is raised to hate humans and you've got yourself someone who wants power.

father pyramid and phoebe are correct "higher-dimensionally-speaking"

using 3-dimensional thinking i believe a combination of 1) abusive background and 2) access to information that gave them power..

[majicdragon]

So what are you going to do to stop them from killing 90 percent of the earth's population... Ignore it and it'll go away? Are you suggesting we stop spreading the truth? Just sit and wait for what will be? just wondering.

[alleendewaarheid]

majicdragon,

you do what you want to...

i talk to most people i interact with about the illuminati and 911 truth etc...i also promote ron paul big time...

everyone has the free-will to do as they wish..if that's nothing then i don't judge them...that's their choice.

they're not gonna kill 90% of the world population..they don't have the power...WE HAVE THE POWER!

we have decided collectively to ascend to the 5th dimension..the expanded consciousness will raise awareness of everyone on the planet...that alone will lead to their demise.

me..i try to hurry their demise up by spending alot of time educating people about it all...

even when we have big parties here i'm talking the whole night with people and giving them information...

but the best thing you can do to help with the demise of the illuminati is to NOT GIVE IT ENERGY...by giving it energy you FEED THE ILLUSION and actually give them more power

understand?

i don't let it rule my life and now i laugh at the whole drama of this reality..it's just a stupid play we're in

[lydia78]

:rolleyes:

Dude the whole message of David Icke IS that WE ARE THEM. And that fighting them won't change anything, because they are us. Be the change you want to see. Don't comb the mirror, come your hair and see the reflection change.

This is not masonic microchipped oneness(assimilated). Can you not see this? We ARE all individuals - but we are unique parts of ONE whole.

Blaming reptiles or aliens or others will get us nowhere. Want to find out who to blame? look in the mirror :)

" Don't comb the mirror, comb your hair and see the reflection change"
Great quote! We are the paradox!!

[lenejento]

majicdragon,

you do what you want to...

i talk to most people i interact with about the illuminati and 911 truth etc...i also promote ron paul big time...

everyone has the free-will to do as they wish..if that's nothing then i don't judge them...that's their choice.

they're not gonna kill 90% of the world population..they don't have the power...WE HAVE THE POWER!

we have decided collectively to ascend to the 5th dimension..the expanded consciousness will raise awareness of everyone on the planet...that alone will lead to their demise.

me..i try to hurry their demise up by spending alot of time educating people about it all...

even when we have big parties here i'm talking the whole night with people and giving them information...

but the best thing you can do to help with the demise of the illuminati is to NOT GIVE IT ENERGY...by giving it energy you FEED THE ILLUSION and actually give them more power

understand?

i don't let it rule my life and now i laugh at the whole drama of this reality..it's just a stupid play we're in

Yes, not giving it energy, realizing ourselves and being the freedom that we are!

With what you are saying, do you imply that they have a soul, the very elite of the elite? That means that they would be capable of realizing their wrongs and arrogance in the end, is this how you see it?

So what are they reaally afraid off? For them to do this in the first place, basically the ones who started it? They would have to ultimatily be afraid of something to choose unsustainable (unatural) control&power over sustainable (natural) love.

Some pointed out survival, would they die if they didn't do this? Maybe... I don't know, maybe they DO feed off our energy....

[Anders Lindman]

what is it that the Illuminati want most control of and what are they most afraid of??


They want to control their control so to speak, to protect their high position of control. That control contains many deceptive tricks used on the public and a considerably shady history record. They are afraid of that data being exposed to the public who would become outraged.

I don't think they are afraid of me, because I only fight with information, not to destroy them, not to throw out the baby with the bathwater, but to change their system, and people, not least Ron Paul + his supporters + the truth movement, are already doing a good job in that area, so I don't feel like a one man army. :D

[devin]

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[alleendewaarheid]

Yes, not giving it energy, realizing ourselves and being the freedom that we are!

With what you are saying, do you imply that they have a soul, the very elite of the elite? That means that they would be capable of realizing their wrongs and arrogance in the end, is this how you see it?

So what are they reaally afraid off? For them to do this in the first place, basically the ones who started it? They would have to ultimatily be afraid of something to choose unsustainable (unatural) control&power over sustainable (natural) love.

Some pointed out survival, would they die if they didn't do this? Maybe... I don't know, maybe they DO feed off our energy....

of course they have souls..they're just playing their role...they have done a service for us really...duality for us to experience and become aware..

this reality is not about right or wrong...there is no right or wrong..there just IS...this 3-D reality isn't about learning lessons..it's just about experiencing is all..

i believe in the end..they're just playing a role...just like many of us have had other lives where we were in positions of power and domination...solely for the experience..

when i mention their "demise" i really mean't a planet where there is no control or domination..that's what this ascension is about...expanded consciousness and with it comes awareness...the dualistic system comes to an end..thus no more illuminati domination..

like shakespeare "all the world is a stage and we are just actors"...that's exactly it..it's a play..an illusion and we're just here to experience...

the illuminati are just playing their dualistic role..simple as that..but with ascension and end to duality because of the feminine energies there comes balance

[father_pyramid]

they're just playing their role...

this reality is not about right or wrong...there is no right or wrong..there just IS...this 3-D reality isn't about learning lessons..it's just about experiencing is all..

i believe in the end..they're just playing a role...just like many of us have had other lives where we were in positions of power and domination...solely for the experience..

like shakespeare "all the world is a stage and we are just actors"...that's exactly it..it's a play..an illusion and we're just here to experience...

the illuminati are just playing their dualistic role..simple as that... but with ascension and end to duality because of the feminine energies there comes balance

That reminds me of Bill Hicks' quotes:

"The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question, is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride..." And we... kill those people.
"We have a lot invested in this ride. Shut him up. Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account and my family. This just has to be real." Just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter because: It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one."

"All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves."

[gorgeousbutterfly]

I'm not sure if its possible for people that have no conscience to fear anything...???

[alleendewaarheid]

father_pyramid,

never read that bill hicks before but he has it right on!

i've been one of those people that remembered and it sure as hell was a "lonely ride"..but now it's getting more exciting because all those people asleep are waking up...i've always had an awareness that all was not what it really seemed (this reality)..

i'm gonna go off on a tangent because i feel i need to talk about this.. now being in 5D consciousness as i am it's very interesting...it's like i have a "knowingness" about things...i can see everything "clearly" now..the mind really doesn't work now and i do operate out of my heart..whenever i try to use my mind it isn't comfortable..same with anger and sadness and such...i can't really get angry or sad anymore..i'm still learning to manifest my desires in the new energy..it's getting much better but it takes adjusting..it has more to do with having a passion with the new energy..the "old way" was to go out and get a 3D job..but that doesn't work anymore...with the new energy there is a new way of creating..

when you mentioned the big bank account thing i had to laugh...the process for 1st wavers began in 1999/2000...in the process most of us have lost everything....lost my family..lost friends...lost my bank account...lost my career..they have a joke in the "higher realms"..it goes something like this "on the way to ascension i lost everything"..they laugh about it..i still don't find it funny because it has been a difficult process and very lonely..

everyone on this planet is ascending to 5D in physical form which has never been done before...everyone will experience losses of "old" stuff and other symptoms that occur when you ascend in 5D

it's so exciting now that i will have others on the ride with me that know it's an illusion so i don't feel so lonely anymore..

i can't wait until this planet is love and peace because that is the future!

[i_am]

I love Bill Hicks :p

but this is my all time favourite. He sums it up beautifully

just a ride - YouTube

RIP Bill. We love you :)

[ah42]

Does anyone understand how Infinite Love works? I would venture that no, nobody does. Our consciousness is too restricted in this "dimension" to fully comprehend, which is why we are trying to get "back home". To remember what we are. So, I have a little scenario that might go someway to explaining our collective plight. Suppose that Infinite Love, exploring infinite scenarios understands that there is a possibility of rogue elements attempting to subvert "It". Or that one of the infinite possibilities within infinite possibility is that subversion will take place, therfore creating the illusion that a portion of itself has become "detached" and is "evil" or whatever. What would Infinite love see as the solution to this? Would it prefer that that part stay "separated"? Or would it do something like create entities (like us) which can go in, manifest and understand the situation with a view to bringing the "rogue" element back into the fold, at the same time finding a way to deal with such a situation in order to prevent it causing serious problems? Or maybe we were just dragged along when the "fall" occured and are just finding our way out? Who knows. But I would suggest that we are here sorting out a problem and, as we are all one, even with the "evil", we got to do it in such a way that we ALL get "home", regardless of our role in the scenario.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

I love Bill Hicks :p

but this is my all time favourite. He sums it up beautifully

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTzNLhxPzjo

RIP Bill. We love you :)

OH he is the only comedian that DOESN'T(LOL) sound like a total phoney.

[lenejento]

I must say I understand the people who are still caught in the illusion of right and wrong, I mean look at what they are doing, child sex slavery, consciously manipulating and enslaving a whole 6 billion human population away from their freedom, no wonder their nature is being questioned. Do they have a conscience, most people would say no, they are pychopaths, who are psychopaths? What is their nature, is it possible for them to heal into being human again? I mean can they be called human if they don't have a conscience?

I guess their nature ultimately doesen't matter, because, we are all one anyway. But it would be curious to know. Are they like Icke says, soulless, a manifestation of the matrix entity,almost a consciousness in itself, fear, and ultimately a manifestation of oneness, us, thus they are some kind of projection. Or do they have a soul, and can somehow be healed.

[phoebe]

OH he is the only comedian that sound like a total phoney.

:confused::confused::confused:
Have you watched any Bill Hicks?

[siliconpsychosis]

The way I understand it, the negative Lizard consciousness fears returning to the source where it is forced to confront all the negativity it has reaped on this planet and elsewhere. It is scared to face the mirror, so it uses the engineered bloodlines as a way of escaping assimilation with the collective. It jumps into another host body to avoid this confrontation. Its continually running scared. Is this correct?

I am also partial to the above concept of duality. If everything is consciousness, then surely the ultimate learning tool for the collective consciousness is the existence of positive and negative forces that create polarities such as love and fear, since extremities of experience will maximise the spritual growth of the collective. Maybe?

Ps. Ah42 made a post when I wrote this, and I have to say that what you wrote makes total sense to me. Nice one.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

:confused::confused::confused:
Have you watched any Bill Hicks?

OMG i meant he is the only one that DOESN'T sound like a total phoney. wtf? i can swear to god i wrote it right . will edit.

[dondaz]

No-one is going to wish/think the nwo out of existance. It would take too many poeple and there isn't the time now the big hand is coming crashing down on us.

Stop your activism at your peril. No offence but all you people who think you're going to change the world at this stage through oneness are on a fast track to death.

You can't die/it's all an illusion to me = submitt to the New World Order.

Awareness of fear is not fear. It's like when you have a problem and choose to ignore it, it gets worse, not better. In order to eliminate fear, we need to find out what it is, how it works, who uses it and why, etc.

To truly know them, one has only to walk in their shoes. I believe people who have love for all and everything could never imagine what it's like to be an evil bastard.

To know and yet not to do is in fact not to know!

[alleendewaarheid]

lenejento,

you're getting too involved with it and making my head hurt:D i'll start hyperventilating if i read it again...

all that matters is that we are one...they are us and we are them...they are just playing a role for the experience..that's it!

it's just like a play...let's say you took the illuminati part in a play..would you need healing? noooo..you're just being an actor and playing a role..that's all it is!

many of us have been like the illuminati in previous lives and we feel like we need to be punished for it...so you might see someone choose a life of homelessness because they want to punish themselves for their past lives maybe even as illuminati..

it's all so simple..it's just a play you're in! you can change the scene by using your own thoughts/belief system. change your beliefs and thinking and you can attract beautiful people around you who are loving and peaceful. change your beliefs and thinking and you can enjoy abundance...you are in charge of the play...you only have to decide you want a change in the story.

[alleendewaarheid]

dondaz,

there is no good or evil..there only just IS

[lenejento]

lenejento,

you're getting too involved with it and making my head hurt:D i'll start hyperventilating if i read it again...

all that matters is that we are one...they are us and we are them...they are just playing a role for the experience..that's it!

it's just like a play...let's say you took the illuminati part in a play..would you need healing? noooo..you're just being an actor and playing a role..that's all it is!

many of us have been like the illuminati in previous lives and we feel like we need to be punished for it...so you might see someone choose a life of homelessness because they want to punish themselves for their past lives maybe even as illuminati..

it's all so simple..it's just a play you're in! you can change the scene by using your own thoughts/belief system. change your beliefs and thinking and you can attract beautiful people around you who are loving and peaceful. change your beliefs and thinking and you can enjoy abundance...you are in charge of the play...you only have to decide you want a change in the story.

LOL, sorry I made your head hurt :D
Getting to involved :confused: I'm curious about them, would be fun to suss them out, this is how I'm feeling right now, other times I don't care at all. You say they're playing a role, do they know they are playing a role, they know about Oneness right?

[phoebe]

OMG i meant he is the only one that DOESN'T sound like a total phoney. wtf? i can swear to god i wrote it right . will edit.

lol ok :)

[gorgeousbutterfly]

the big problem is that we have been manipluated to think bad and good from SUCH AN EARLY AGE it will take A LOT for us to get this brainwashed crap out of our heads. i mean i am pretty sure we have known from right and wrong from age 4 or 5 ..

[alleendewaarheid]

LOL, sorry I made your head hurt :D
Getting to involved :confused: I'm curious about them, would be fun to suss them out, this is how I'm feeling right now, other times I don't care at all. You say they're playing a role, do they know they are playing a role, they know about Oneness right?

i believe some of them know they're just playing a role because i believe some of them have had access to information. from what i remember of the jane roberts seth books...seth talks about the jesus entity split between jesus, john the baptist and another of the drama. seth says the jesus entity was present at that time to educate people about how they create their own reality etc...he was a speaker..from what i've heard the church has hidden documents regarding "speaker" jesus because they wanted to maintain control. the documents told people that "you create your own reality" amongst other things..obviously if the church wanted to hold power they needed those documents hidden...people that know they're gods aren't gonna go to church anymore, are they?

so maybe the illuminati have read these documents and have hidden them..maybe they have sumerian documentation...maybe they have other information/technology...

but to answer your question..i believe YES those at the top know and are enjoying their roles..

so i'm sure a few of them realize this is a play..others might have other information they use to manipulate people and control...

but in the end the collective consciousness has created all of this and the collective has the power in the end...the collective will be changing this reality into a beautiful loving planet...next year will already show a huge positive change...

[alleendewaarheid]

the big problem is that we have been manipluated to think bad and good from SUCH AN EARLY AGE it will take A LOT for us to get this brainwashed crap out of our heads. i mean i am pretty sure we have known from right and wrong from age 4 or 5 ..

you're right...the mind and the "old programs" need to be changed and believe me it does take an effort...all the catholic crap i had growing up about good and evil..i have flushed that stuff...it just takes repeating "new tapes"...

the mind has served us well but it doesn't belong in the new reality...it is 3-dimensional and doesn't function in 4D and higher...it is just like a computer with useless information...

[gorgeousbutterfly]

you're right...the mind and the "old programs" need to be changed and believe me it does take an effort...all the catholic crap i had growing up about good and evil..i have flushed that stuff...it just takes repeating "new tapes"...

the mind has served us well but it doesn't belong in the new reality...it is 3-dimensional and doesn't function in 4D and higher...it is just like a computer with useless information...

Ok then how do we deprogram ourselves? I have done a little but the good and bad is very very hard to get out. fortunetly i don't have a lot of brainiwashing other then that and image problems. i'm vain as hell but thats another story :D

[alleendewaarheid]

Ok then how do we deprogram ourselves? I have done a little but the good and bad is very very hard to get out. fortunetly i don't have a lot of brainiwashing other then that and image problems. i'm vain as hell but thats another story :D

i've heard some people say "a mind is a terrible thing to have"..i kind of agree now..

you could try a lobotomy..but that might not be fun..

what it takes is looking at all your belief systems and examining them...maybe you have a belief that rich people are assholes so you are stuck in poverty...every belief you have effects what you experience in this reality..

SO..the only way is to take apart those beliefs that aren't working for you...you're gonna have to be honest with yourself..lots of introspection..then come up with a new belief and verbalize it if you have to..

it will happen naturally with the ascension anyways..your mind will be put "on the backburner"..the heart takes over..

[steevo]

Maybe the Illuminati are, literally, a different breed of human being to us (Alex Jones said something like this). Their brains and thought patterns work different to ours. Maybe that's why they are obsessed with bloodlines..

I mean there are different breeds of dog, cat, monkey etc

eg. The Pit Bull Terrier is born full of hate and wants to kill. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is very clever and affectionate. (Ok there are exceptions but you know what I mean).

Compare Mother Teresa to the Illuminati, two different breeds.

[lenejento]

i believe some of them know they're just playing a role because i believe some of them have had access to information. from what i remember of the jane roberts seth books...seth talks about the jesus entity split between jesus, john the baptist and another of the drama. seth says the jesus entity was present at that time to educate people about how they create their own reality etc...he was a speaker..from what i've heard the church has hidden documents regarding "speaker" jesus because they wanted to maintain control. the documents told people that "you create your own reality" amongst other things..obviously if the church wanted to hold power they needed those documents hidden...people that know they're gods aren't gonna go to church anymore, are they?

so maybe the illuminati have read these documents and have hidden them..maybe they have sumerian documentation...maybe they have other information/technology...

but to answer your question..i believe YES those at the top know and are enjoying their roles..

so i'm sure a few of them realize this is a play..others might have other information they use to manipulate people and control...

but in the end the collective consciousness has created all of this and the collective has the power in the end...the collective will be changing this reality into a beautiful loving planet...next year will already show a huge positive change...


Ok, erm, then a few more thoughts come to me :D
If they know about oneness, why wouldn't they want to realize themselves as this oneness? And you can't tel me someone that is enlightened to the truth of their being would want to rape children, that's acts of sick ignorance.

And another thing, if they know we are all one, they know the Truth can't be avoided forever, I mean aren't they intelligent beings? So why then do they continue, the truth will be revealed in due time, and they'll have to face everything that they've done.

Do you see how it just doesen't add up sometimes?

[oceanwave]

I am referring to the Illuminati, the Negative entities, or whatever name you have for them.

I have a few ideas, and I would like to hear what others think. If there is so much conspiracy involving the human race, or the soulmatrix, what is it that the Illuminati want most control of and what are they most afraid of??

My instinct tells me that one vital thing is the mind, heart and soul connection. When these three energies are in sync, I believe there is nothing anybody can do to control you.

then they haven't reached realisation (or total awareness)

..surely?...

[alleendewaarheid]

Ok, erm, then a few more thoughts come to me :D
If they know about oneness, why wouldn't they want to realize themselves as this oneness? And you can't tel me someone that is enlightened to the truth of their being would want to rape children, that's acts of sick ignorance.

And another thing, if they know we are all one, they know the Truth can't be avoided forever, I mean aren't they intelligent beings? So why then do they continue, the truth will be revealed in due time, and they'll have to face everything that they've done.

Do you see how it just doesen't add up sometimes?

lenjento,

you're too involved with your head...get out of it and use your heart...my head is started to hurt again seeing you thinking so much:D

your head can't possibly understand the infiniteness of it all...your head is using "old data" and making value judgements..

they have chosen their role before they even came here..they are as much caught up in illusion as we are.

also..if they had abusive pasts combined with the knowledge of oneness doesn't necessarily mean they're gonna want oneness....it's nice for them to have money and power..they're enjoying it..it's an experience for them..

there is no such thing as sickness...everything is chosen...every experience. like i said..there is no right or wrong there just IS....everything is chosen even before you come here..you chose your parents..you make choices while you're here..

this is not about crime and punishment..this is about a consciousness evolution for the planet...like i said everyone on the planet is ascending..the idea of crime and punishment is a 3-dimensional construct..

gotta go to bed...love to ya!

do me a favor...stop using your head...follow your heart...the head can't wrap itself around the infiniteness of it all..

focus on what you want in life and create it...don't bother focusing so much on the illuminati's creating..focus on your own..don't give them any energy..there is no point!

[lenejento]

lenjento,

you're too involved with your head...get out of it and use your heart...my head is started to hurt again seeing you thinking so much:D

your head can't possibly understand the infiniteness of it all...your head is using "old data" and making value judgements..

they have chosen their role before they even came here..they are as much caught up in illusion as we are.

also..if they had abusive pasts combined with the knowledge of oneness doesn't necessarily mean they're gonna want oneness....it's nice for them to have money and power..they're enjoying it..it's an experience for them..

there is no such thing as sickness...everything is chosen...every experience. like i said..there is no right or wrong there just IS....everything is chosen even before you come here..you chose your parents..you make choices while you're here..

this is not about crime and punishment..this is about a consciousness evolution for the planet...like i said everyone on the planet is ascending..the idea of crime and punishment is a 3-dimensional construct..

gotta go to bed...love to ya!

do me a favor...stop using your head...follow your heart...the head can't wrap itself around the infiniteness of it all..

focus on what you want in life and create it...don't bother focusing so much on the illuminati's creating..focus on your own..don't give them any energy..there is no point!

If I want to use my head and intelligence for a few hours on this issue, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not trying to suss out infinity, I'm trying to suss out the elite. I know it's not ultimately important, let's say I'm just doing it for fun.

By the way, calling it the ascension is misleading IMHO.
There is no higher self, there is no ascension per se, we are ascended in the state we are in now which is unatural, ascended from our true and natural nature, how can we ascend into something that is natural, grow into something that is natural?

Anyway, me need my sleep. Hope there will be lots of exciting posts here tomorrow ;)
Sleep well

[mountain]

majicdragon,

you do what you want to...

i talk to most people i interact with about the illuminati and 911 truth etc...i also promote ron paul big time...

everyone has the free-will to do as they wish..if that's nothing then i don't judge them...that's their choice.

they're not gonna kill 90% of the world population..they don't have the power...WE HAVE THE POWER!

we have decided collectively to ascend to the 5th dimension..the expanded consciousness will raise awareness of everyone on the planet...that alone will lead to their demise.

me..i try to hurry their demise up by spending alot of time educating people about it all...

even when we have big parties here i'm talking the whole night with people and giving them information...

but the best thing you can do to help with the demise of the illuminati is to NOT GIVE IT ENERGY...by giving it energy you FEED THE ILLUSION and actually give them more power

understand?

i don't let it rule my life and now i laugh at the whole drama of this reality..it's just a stupid play we're in

Yep! I feel this is why they spend billions on adverts with sublimnals directed at the subconscious, to promote negativity, fear and anger. To feed like vampires.

They fear our nature to LOVE, so they must do whatever possible to prevent us to LOVE one another. They thrive off of rascism and do not want the races to co-exist as one BIG human family!

They need LOVE, too! So that they can heal and realize that they can survive without the need to feed.

[cruise4]

Are there not layers within the NWO. Maybe the ones controlling know the truth and are applying pressure to ensure we wish to escape. The ones apparently doing the pressurising, like Bush, may be just patsies and their motivation comes from ego, historical criminality and fear of being found out, which would result in loss of everything they hold dear. This layer may be unaware of whats really going on, but think they do. Has ageing been cracked? Is death now avoidable for some? That might also explain the wish for a long term 'human control' scenario.

[razed1]

they fear their exposure reaching critical mass before their NWO control grid is in place


cause their exposure is inevitable,

but they trying really hard to get their police state

[mountain]

I personally think that Earth has been rather boring as of late. I would LOVE to be among a myriad of beings from all over the universe and us getting to know one another.

I am positive that reptilian humanoids exists, but have a gut feeling that they are not hostile. Could this be more brainwashing?? We have to be skeptical about what we assume regarding other lifeforms. David Icke himself states himself that he believes that reptilians are diverse with different agendas.

This is a great lesson to learn for humans. How we treat our own kind, animals and Earth. This is a lesson about RESPECT, TRUTH, FORGIVENESS, COMPASSION and most of all LOVE!!

[auron]

I would LOVE to be among a myriad of beings from all over the universe and us getting to know one another.


This is what true shamans do intra dimensionally, whilst taking psychedelics.

:D

[cruise4]

And isn't this what the real elite are doing, and I doubt thats Bush, Cheney and Clintons. Is this the chance we have arriving, but no psychadelics needed?

[mountain]

And isn't this what the real elite are doing, and I doubt thats Bush, Cheney and Clintons. Is this the chance we have arriving, but no psychadelics needed?

They say Earth has been quarantined from the rest of the universe, and the quarantine will be lifted 2012. The illuminati apparently do not like this idea, for it is this quarantine that enabled them to control in the first place.

[steevo]

They fear our nature to LOVE, so they must do whatever possible to prevent us to LOVE one another. They thrive off of rascism and do not want the races to co-exist as one BIG human family!


I agree with that 100%
Even the churches try to convince us that our nature when born is NOT to love but to do the opposite, for example, when we are born we are "spititually dead" according to some mainstream churches, and only find the spirituality when we find "god" in the conventional sense of the word.
So when you read between the lines, they are saying that we are destined from birth to do evil things UNTIL we find god.
The important bit is that the churches (or at least some of them) say that we are born evil. And I dont think that they are saying this by accident.

Sorry to go on about that stuff all the time but I have had visits from church missionaries alot recently telling me that BS.

[titurel]

Those that follow the religion of money and greed also fall into the same trap of believing that because the world is evil and rotten, and there is no God, it's okay to imagine to be god and do what one likes, even if it involves invading other countries and killing millions of lives. Churchianity went wrong when it ignored God and the Bible and got in bed with politicians and the rulers of our world.

[titurel]

They need LOVE, too! So that they can heal and realize that they can survive without the need to feed.
It's too late for that because they've long since renounced love and come under the curse of the ring of power!