Smoking Helps Protect Against Lung Cancer

[accuracy]

And here are some of the mice who helped to prove it!


Copyright Joe Vialls. 16 July 2003

http://www.vialls.com/transpositions/Smoking2.gif


[QUOTE][Things were looking desperate for government and the medical community overall. Since the anti-smoking funding had started in the early sixties, tens of thousands of medical doctors had passed through medical school, where they had been taught that smoking causes lung cancer. Most believed the lie, but cracks were starting to appear in the paintwork. Even the dullest of straight “C” doctors could not really make the data correlate, and when they queried it were told not to ask stupid questions. “Smoking causes lung cancer” converted to a creed, a quasi religious belief mechanism where blind faith became a substitute for proof.
/QUOTE]

............read on.............

http://www.joevialls.co.uk/transpositions/smoking.html

[accuracy]

Quote:

"I wonder if one reason that the tobacco companies have taken such a "hit" is because they would not completely sell out to the chemical companies who wanted to buy them out years ago like the food and pharmaceutical companies sold out to those chemical companies?"

[accuracy]

Chemical Poisons Cause Increasing Levels Of Illness - Tobacco Blamed

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2005/...acco_blamed.htm

Chemical Poisons Cause Increasing Levels Of Illness - Tobacco Blamed

"Low levels" of chemicals, from toxic mercury in tooth fillings, foods and vaccines, from industrial waste hexafluorosilicic acid added to our drinking water, to herbicides and pesticides in vegetables and fruits as well as mosquito spray liberally distributed in the air, are ever increasing and according to some are to be blamed for rising levels of illness. Interestingly, tobacco smoke takes all the blame, as it has since cigarettes were first "identified" as the cause of lung cancers, providing cover for radioactive pollution from atomic bomb experiments in the 1950's and 60's.

A toxic cocktail of over 200 different chemicals is found today in the blood stream of newborns. Then, not more than weeks after birth, more toxins are injected to "vaccinate" the little new citizens. Rising rates of cancers and brain disorders are observed, and all we hear is we must "stop smoking". Even second hand smoke has become a hugely dangerous thing - if we are to believe the scientific-efforts-turned-propaganda - to blame for the ever worsening state of our health.

Adding insult to injury, chemicals such as aspartame and MSG, which are known to be associated with, if not be an outright cause of obesity, are "approved" by health authorities the world over to be added to the food supply, while vitamins and minerals, known to be vital for our survival, are under attack by international legislation of the European Community and of Codex Alimentarius. In a recent meeting of the Codex Alimentarius Commission here in Rome, one of the official observers-cum-lobbyists was ... you may have guessed it - the Committee of the Glutamic Acid Manufacturers in the EU.

Mark Sircus, the Director of the International Medical Veritas Association offers an intelligent discussion of the dangers of poisons we willingly introduce into the environment and consequently into our bodies and the unwillingness of our health "authorities" to do something about it.

[accuracy]

A confirmation relating to this thread on lung cancer.

TOP "10" HAZARDOUS HOUSEHOLD CHEMICALS

By Richard Alexander


http://consumerlawpage.com/article/household-chemicals.shtml

[eternal_spirit]

Think you're onto something there accuracy! I've said this before and I'll say it again.
The worlds oldest man (Chinese) was 130 years old, he was a said to have been a chain smoker!

[limelady]

Hi accuracy, I believe Joe Vialls died trying to expose the agenda.
He had access to insider information, although from the look of the information on your link regarding smoking, it would seem that much of the data he refers to may be available to anyone willing to have a bit of a dig round.

A good link!

Lime

[lookfar]

And here are some of the mice who helped to prove it!


Copyright Joe Vialls. 16 July 2003

http://www.vialls.com/transpositions/Smoking2.gif


[QUOTE][Things were looking desperate for government and the medical community overall. Since the anti-smoking funding had started in the early sixties, tens of thousands of medical doctors had passed through medical school, where they had been taught that smoking causes lung cancer. Most believed the lie, but cracks were starting to appear in the paintwork. Even the dullest of straight “C” doctors could not really make the data correlate, and when they queried it were told not to ask stupid questions. “Smoking causes lung cancer” converted to a creed, a quasi religious belief mechanism where blind faith became a substitute for proof.
/QUOTE]

............read on.............

http://www.joevialls.co.uk/transpositions/smoking.html

Hi accuracy

Thanks for the link, it's certainly opened my eyes.

The mantra we've been fed about "smoking causes cancer" has been drummed into us for so long, we just seem to take their word for it & don't think deeper into the more serious matter of radioactive particles we're continually being exposed to. They are scary statistics for sure!!!

I actually work for the tobacco industry and will be asking a few of my colleagues in the Biology Dept about their views on this :)

[accuracy]

Hi accuracy, I believe Joe Vialls died trying to expose the agenda.
He had access to insider information, although from the look of the information on your link regarding smoking, it would seem that much of the data he refers to may be available to anyone willing to have a bit of a dig round.

A good link!

Lime

You're right there limelady, i used to have Joe's site on my desktop, till he was murdered!
Check out 2tuff's site is which i got this from:)

TRUTH SAYERS

"Joe Vialls"

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?http://s13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/

[cafetimes1991]

A bump for 2009 :)

[armoured_amazon]

*smoker subs thread* :o

[fnulnu]

I happened across this website the other night:

http://www.forces.org/evidence/index.htm

"Welcome to FORCES' Evidence section. Here you'll find a collection of material -- with particular emphasis on scientific evidence -- that explodes many of the most cherished claims of the antismoker industry.

These claims have been advanced to gather public support for smoking bans, high taxes, employment discrimination, and even the advocacy of legal action against neighbours who smoke in their own apartments!"

Some interesting stuff on there.

[evea]

no offence

but i think this particular thread is ridiculously stupid at best downright dangerous at worst

i have witnessed and cared for horrendous oral cancers- only in smokers
lung cancer - only in smokers
emphysema atleast 99% smokers

if it wasnt ciggarettes that caused those cancers who put them there some secret govt cancer squad
tailing smokers and deliberately putting them there

[arten]

Smoking is a disgusting vice and one I have never indulged in. :D

[brainfreeze]

Smoking is a disgusting vice and one I have never indulged in. :D


While on the subject of disgust post coitous ciggies are the best :p

I smoke because I don't give a fuck about cancer, it's the chemo that will kill you in the end.

[arten]

YUK:eek:

[evea]

While on the subject of disgust post coitous ciggies are the best :p

I smoke because I don't give a fuck about cancer, it's the chemo that will kill you in the end.

well chemo isnt nice but it does save many
and if you didnt smoke the fags in the first place you are less likely to need it

and ive known a few people who didnt give a fuck about cancer until they drowned on there own lung excretions or had to have there tongue removed

[brainfreeze]

well chemo isnt nice but it does save many
and if you didnt smoke the fags in the first place you are less likely to need it

and ive known a few people who didnt give a fuck about cancer until they drowned on there own lung excretions or had to have there tongue removed

Oh lighten up man!

Us smokers are aware of the risks

[evea]

Hey dont get me wrong .... im glad you are aware of the risks
your an adult and are free to make your mind up on it

its just im a little gobsmacked by some of the posts on this thread
surely no-one really thinks smoking can cure cancer and all this is conspiracy

[psych641]

You couldnt pay me to start smoking again - urgh!! :eek:

[jonny78]

Well, take a look around at our toxic lifestyle as a whole. Cigarettes share their part of the blame too considering the other garbage they put into them.

Maybe pure, organic tobacco wouldn't be so bad, but as with anything "fun", there's still such a thing as too much. I enjoy a cigarette as much as the next person, but I moderate it as I do with anything else that makes me sick, drunk, high, or fat.

No sense in being greedy now...

[pinkfreud]

I smoke because I don't give a fuck about cancer, it's the chemo that will kill you in the end.

precisely.

it's actually the sh*t in they put in the cigarettes, and not the tobacco/nicotine itself, which is likely to blame.

anyway, i was always wary of the 'smoking causes lung cancer' stuff they're always thrusting on our heads; i've noticed that when i'm down with the flu and have my throat choked up with phlegm, a couple of smokes clears it up for me.

so, smoke on.

[kasalt]

Why does it have to be cigarettes? Why not cigars or cannabis?

A good cigar is made of 100% pure tobacco. No paper, no fillers...

[supertzar]

Lung cancer is caused by radioactive isotopes in commercial tobacco. Growing your own is practically effortless and you won't get cancer. I guess if you don't give a fuck about cancer, then it's not worth sprinkling some seeds in the dirt and watering them once in a while.

[psych641]

the respiratory tract isnt supposed to be used as a chimney - id have thought that was fairly obvious? :confused:

[psych641]

i've noticed that when i'm down with the flu and have my throat choked up with phlegm, a couple of smokes clears it up for me.
.

isnt the phlegm an immune response?

same with coughing - you can sometimes supress an cough by coating your throat with smoke tars, or use opiates. But the coughing was an immune response designed to clean your lungs, which youve just over-ridden.

and if you didnt smoke at all, you might not have flu in the first place:p

[pacoquerak]

SORRY SORRY, I will come back to this, but did anyone read the info about tobacco holding onto polonium 210 that it draws out of natural rock phosphate fertilizers?
almost all tobacco and tomatoe plants use rock phosphate fertilizer
all one would have to do to get some would be to plant tobacco with some other kind of phosphate, like "tennesse brown" which is supposed to be the lowest in heavy metals of any in the world

[psych641]

SORRY SORRY, I will come back to this, but did anyone read the info about tobacco holding onto polonium 210 that it draws out of natural rock phosphate fertilizers?
almost all tobacco and tomatoe plants use rock phosphate fertilizer
all one would have to do to get some would be to plant tobacco with some other kind of phosphate, like "tennesse brown" which is supposed to be the lowest in heavy metals of any in the world

Yeah i saw that too, the claim was that an average smoker endures radiation equivalent to 200 chest x-rays per year :eek: That doesnt mean that 'organic' smoking is safe though, as an occasional treat its probably not that bad, but most smokers fall into a daily habit.

I always get flamed for this, but a lot of cannabis is likely far worse than tobacco: it actively bio-accumulates nasties and has been planted around chernobyl for this very reason - to pull the radiation out of the soil (and into the leaves).

[pacoquerak]

Yeah i saw that too, the claim was that an average smoker endures radiation equivalent to 200 chest x-rays per year :eek: That doesnt mean that 'organic' smoking is safe though, as an occasional treat its probably not that bad, but most smokers fall into a daily habit.

I always get flamed for this, but a lot of cannabis is likely far worse than tobacco: it actively bio-accumulates nasties and has been planted around chernobyl for this very reason - to pull the radiation out of the soil (and into the leaves).

eh I wouldn't say far worse as they don't contain 6000 chemicals that we are not able to know what they are...
I have been wary of the grass I was smoking in the past, but now I'm on organic outdoor stuff from cali so I ain't fretting

[supertzar]

SORRY SORRY, I will come back to this, but did anyone read the info about tobacco holding onto polonium 210 that it draws out of natural rock phosphate fertilizers?
almost all tobacco and tomatoe plants use rock phosphate fertilizer
all one would have to do to get some would be to plant tobacco with some other kind of phosphate, like "tennesse brown" which is supposed to be the lowest in heavy metals of any in the world

I have been talking about this as much as possible, but it seems to be hard for it to sink in. I heard the doctors at the Cardiovascular Center confirm that the latest research shows radiation is the primary cause of lung cancer.

I grow my own with kelp and fish emulsion.

[kasalt]

I heard the doctors at the Cardiovascular Center confirm that the latest research shows radiation is the primary cause of lung cancer.

Fascinating! It seems this idea has been around for a while, although this is the first I've heard of it...
By far the major cause of lung cancer is tobacco smoking.
-- http://www.faqs.org/health/Sick-V3/Lung-Cancer.html
US Surgeon General C. Everett Koop stated on national television in 1990 that tobacco radiation is probably responsible for 90% of tobacco-related cancer. Dr RT Ravenholt, former director of World Health Surveys at the Centers for Disease Control, has stated that "Americans are exposed to far more radiation from tobacco smoke than from any other source."
-- http://www.acsa.net/HealthAlert/radioactive_tobacco.html

By far, the largest radiation dose received by the public comes from smoking cigarettes. While cigarette smoke is not an obvious source of radiation exposure, it contains small amounts of radioactive materials which smokers bring into their lungs as they inhale. The radioactive particles lodge in lung tissue and over time contribute a huge radiation dose. Radioactivity may be one of the key factors in lung cancer among smokers.
-- http://www.epa.gov/radiation/sources/tobacco.html

[psych641]

I have been wary of the grass I was smoking in the past, but now I'm on organic outdoor stuff from cali so I ain't fretting

thats good but.. IIRC 'organic' has a different and possibly misleading meaning in the states vs europe. If you put organic ingredients into otherwise chem ferts your legally allowed to label them 'organic' IIRC.

i bubble and/or vape, so id hope that eliminates most of the evil stuff regardless of what its been grown with :)