What other conspiracy topics should Mr. Icke cover

[kl70]

Excluding a topic like 2012 (that's already been adequately covered by a few good experts in that field), what other conspiracy reality or metaphysical topics would you like Mr. Icke to either research (and then speak out
about) and / or write a book about, because he's never covered the topic before, or because maybe some others have, but have done so mediocrely in your view (and you'd like him to, saying why), or he has covered (or has spoken about) the topic, but in your view did so rather superficially and you'd like him to go a lot deeper.

[smariot]

Rather than the lies we are being told, I'd like to hear about the truths we aren't being told.

[thetonic]

He should talk about the fact that it is possible he has been misled to believe that reptiles(as in 12 ft lizard humanoid type aliens) rule the world, as a classic diversion tactic

[king]

He should talk about the fact that it is possible he has been misled to believe that reptiles(as in 12 ft lizard humanoid type aliens) rule the world, as a classic diversion tactic

but that would take a real man, to admit that he was possibly deceived.
William Cooper comes to mind as someone who admitted to that, he said that he was possibly deceived with Alien stuff that was shown to him on purpose.

when you think logically, there is no tangible evidence that aliens are manipulating humanity, but there is more then ample evidence that a small
human cabal has done this since time immemorial.

[thetonic]

but that would take a real man, to admit that he was possibly deceived.
William Cooper comes to mind as someone who admitted to that, he said that he was possibly deceived with Alien stuff that was shown to him on purpose.

when you think logically, there is no tangible evidence that aliens are manipulating humanity, but there is more then ample evidence that a small
human cabal has done this since time immemorial.


Right on king... It takes real courage to admit that you maybe dont know it all and have been deceived...All knowledge and evidence points towards a mass deception created by none other than the truest and greatest decievers in the universe, ... Ourselves... none other

Cooper was one with an open mind willing to look at different perspectives, admit to being uncertain or suspicious of his own sources ... Ive never seen another researcher admit to being misled besides him

"Courage of the heart is very rare , but the stone has a power when it is there" - Nicodemus

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[fremmenwarrior]

Perhaps Mr. Icke could write a book about conspiracies that have had disatorous effects on the physical health and wellbeing of mankind, and the terrible suffering that those well kept govt. secrets are causing to people all over the world at this very moment.

CHERNOBYL: What's the real story behind this so-called accident? How much radiation 'really' escaped into the environment? Was it really an accident?

MASS PRODUCED FOOD: Why GM crops? Is is because 'they' have killed the lands fertility with overuse of chemical pesticides (due to pure greed just to get as much out of the land as possible)? Is it because the top soil is so contaminated by burning fossil fuels / oil, that levels of toxic oil residues are now getting so high, that soon ONLY genetically modified crops will grow?

What about the real truth behind mass produced food - preservatives, additives, colourings, falvourings, and so-called 'added vitamins'. Why the 'real' need for all these chemicals being added to prepackaged / junk food, confectionary and soft drinks, when our grandparents had to do without all this chemically tampered with food and our OAP's today are easily living into their late nineties? Are 'they' controlling population numbers by secretly poisoning us all?

GLOBAL WARMING, THE OCEANS AND THE ENVIRONMENT: What is all this global warming and carbon-footprint stuff the govt is spouting, really all about? Just an excuse for more taxes, or are 'they' purposely doing something to warm up the environment, which will mean a death sentence for countries living on or near the equator and low lying countries as sea levels rise. Are 'they' trying to purposely drive human populations towards the poles so 'they' can go in and raid the equatorial countries oil, minerals etc. Are 'they' now capable of affecting the weather on a global scale - what technology are they using against us in this field??

What ever happened to the hole in the ozone layer? No one hardly mentions anything about that anymore - is this why melanoma (skin cancer) is more common? After CFC's were banned we were told that the hole would take many years to heal itself - whats the situation now? How dirty is the air we all breath 'really' and what are the true effects on life with so much pollution in the air? I can remember in the late 70's 'unchartered' ships were caught MANY TIMES dumping THOUSANDS of drums of chemicals and toxic industrial waste into the oceans. Is this still going on today? Is this the 'real' reason our coral reefs are dying and fish stocks are so low?

DRUG INDUSTRY: Medicines, creams, vaccinations, pills, vitamins supplements - do we 'really' know what is in all these pills produced by the drug industry? I mention vaccinations because is what 'they' say is in a vaccination (such as, for common diseases), is what is really in that vaccination. Africa comes to mind - 'they' have had mass 'immunisation' programs going on for years in third world countries to supposedly innoculate African people against things like T.B., Cholera, Rubella, Typhoid etc. and yet in Africa HIV-Aids has reached epedemic proportions?? - is this just a coincidence, or have 'they' been literally 'culling' the black African population (and third world populations in general) with HIV virus hidden in vaccinations? No coincidence that many of these poor countries are rich in oil and mineral deposits, gold, tin, copper, etc. etc. etc.

What substances have been covertly put into people's bodies without them knowing? say, in foods, milk, soft drinks, drinking waters supplies, dental filling, etc.

I know that some of these topics have been looked at before, but maybe they need to be researched in much greater depth. I'm sure that people here will know of many many more like these that really do need more thorough investigation. What affects the health and well-being of people (i.e. us and our families), is most important to everyone; and people are more likely to sit up and listen about stuff that could be damaging their health, rather than talk about the alleged 'reptilian' agenda.

[blue]

i think he should speak about religions in brief. right from the scratch, like why was it started, who started it and the real agenda behind. why religion because nothing has helped these buggers in advancing their agenda as religion has. this is the thing that keeps the masses divided and in darkness.

[lottie]

I think he's done his part in uncovering the Government conspiracies now....the next step is to move on and look at the Nature Of Reality and begin to unfold these mysteries, the Gov Conspiracies have been done to death, and the reason is something we need to look further into....imo its not just about 'greed' from left brain politicians/humans, it goes deeper than that into things we've not discovered yet ....

[phoebe]

I think he's done his part in uncovering the Government conspiracies now....the next step is to move on and look at the Nature Of Reality and begin to unfold these mysteries, the Gov Conspiracies have been done to death, and the reason is something we need to look further into....imo its not just about 'greed' from left brain politicians/humans, it goes deeper than that into things we've not discovered yet ....

I feel the same.
It's been done.
Without getting bogged down deeper and deeper
into increasingly minute detail, I can't see where else it can go.
Whatever the 'illuminati' is, we can be sure it's to do with
our natures, as humans, and our place in the scheme of things.

There isn't anyone else here doing it for us.
We do it to ourselves, we do. (and that's what really hurts)
I believe the reptilian thing has been used to divert our
attention into a different direction, thus creating a scapegoat.
It's not reppies, it's US.

The solution isn't to dig into all the gorey details,
but to understand the way we work, the way the universe
works and how we can actually make things better for ourselves.
To continue blaming some external source is
bit like surgeons who try to cure someone by cutting out the
problem organ, instead of looking for the root cause.

Still, having said that, although it may well be therapeutic
and useful for Icke to look into these things for himself,
HIS answers aren't going to provide a catch-all solution
for everybody else.
And nobody should really be looking to him or anybody else
to do that for you.
You need to do that work yourself.
Reading other people's experiences can be helpful,
but all the knowledge you'll ever need is already
within YOU.

[phoebe]

oops, double post.

[lottie]

I feel the same.
It's been done.
Without getting bogged down deeper and deeper
into increasingly minute detail, I can't see where else it can go.
Whatever the 'illuminati' is, we can be sure it's to do with
our natures, as humans, and our place in the scheme of things.

There isn't anyone else here doing it for us.
We do it to ourselves, we do. (and that's what really hurts)
I believe the reptilian thing has been used to divert our
attention into a different direction, thus creating a scapegoat.
It's not reppies, it's US.

The solution isn't to dig into all the gorey details,
but to understand the way we work, the way the universe
works and how we can actually make things better for ourselves.
To continue blaming some external source is
bit like surgeons who try to cure someone by cutting out the
problem organ, instead of looking for the root cause.

Still, having said that, although it may well be therapeutic
and useful for Icke to look into these things for himself,
HIS answers aren't going to provide a catch-all solution
for everybody else.
And nobody should really be looking to him or anybody else
to do that for you.
You need to do that work yourself.
Reading other people's experiences can be helpful,
but all the knowledge you'll ever need is already
within YOU.

I agree- its all just a giant manifestation of the reflection of ourselves.....still its incredibly interesting and i really enjoy looking into the subject of 'reality' - im currenetly reading Gregg Bradens The Divine Matrix and thats amazing!! Although the answers are within ourselves its hard to remember and i dont think i'd've realised this unless i'd've found David's information which has spiralled me into so many other different researchers and info! :)

[phoebe]

I agree- its all just a giant manifestation of the reflection of ourselves.....still its incredibly interesting and i really enjoy looking into the subject of 'reality' - im currenetly reading Gregg Bradens The Divine Matrix and thats amazing!! Although the answers are within ourselves its hard to remember and i dont think i'd've realised this unless i'd've found David's information which has spiralled me into so many other different researchers and info! :)

Oh definitely, we do need a little prod and Icke
and others have been instrumental in doing that for
lots of people, myself included.
I guess it's easy to say with hindsight, that I 'knew'
all along and didn't need any of the books.
Unfortunately I do think a lot of people get
too carried away with the conspiracy details
and don't take into account the snippets of knowledge
at the back of Icke's books, which really are more like
a little teaser to prompt you to look further for yourself.
These are the real diamonds in his books, but I feel many
don't take those parts very seriously.
And imo, the most important parts of his books seem almost
to be a cursory addition after all the political details.
We need more of that David, the conspiracy is so passe lol.



Gregg Braden is great.
I've seen lots of vids but not read any books of his.
But I'll see if I can pick up a copy of Divine Matrix
since I'm not reading anything at the moment.

:)

[majicdragon]

The coverup of SAG DEG and how it is the rattlesnake constellation of the Cherokee Indian.

To show Quetzalcoatl in his true form as the one who evolved into the rattlesnake, and to let people know that Quetzalcoatl return will be in a few million years when the rattlesnake, or SAG DEG goes back out and away from "Stone Tree", or the Milky Way.

Or at least I would like someone to see this and jump all over it... Or I'll have to bloody well do it myself.

[baron von lotsov]

Excluding a topic like 2012 (that's already been adequately covered by a few good experts in that field), what other conspiracy reality or metaphysical topics would you like Mr. Icke to either research (and then speak out
about) .


Social engineering. That is a huge topic and would do Icke wonders. Indeed he could wriggle out of his current predicament by shifting his emphasis from all of that 3d reality/illusion stuff to the psychological programming that is carried out by the Tavistock etc. The followers would still hang on but it would attract a lot of new people at the same time.

You see they have Mr Icke in a quandary, for him to reveal the truth now means he has to go back and correct some of his former stuff or he will have to carry on spinning. If he opts to correct it the press will blow it up in their normal way so he could take this line and claim it is a natural progression on from what he was talking about before. I know it's a bit sneaky but from a practical point of view in the PR world it should work. say the lizard thing was just an analogy to their cold and calculating minds. a lot of people use the word lizard in this way, it might even establish itself a place in the English Dictionary!

[dondaz]

From what I've read so far in The Biggest Secret, Icke's theories on reptillions is no different than christian beliefs in the devil. Controling people from within.

I'd love to see him do more mind manipulation technique films. It would be bloody good. But he is on his own journey and will do as he will.

Fair play to him!

[adimon]

Rather than the lies we are being told, I'd like to hear about the truths we aren't being told.

He should talk about the fact that it is possible he has been misled to believe that reptiles(as in 12 ft lizard humanoid type aliens) rule the world, as a classic diversion tactic

but that would take a real man, to admit that he was possibly deceived.
William Cooper comes to mind as someone who admitted to that, he said that he was possibly deceived with Alien stuff that was shown to him on purpose.

when you think logically, there is no tangible evidence that aliens are manipulating humanity, but there is more then ample evidence that a small
human cabal has done this since time immemorial.

I agree with all of the above, except for maybe about the time immemorial. I'm still not sure how far back it goes. At least as far as Westphalia though.

Perhaps Mr. Icke could write a book about conspiracies that have had disatorous effects on the physical health and wellbeing of mankind, and the terrible suffering that those well kept govt. secrets are causing to people all over the world at this very moment.

What affects the health and well-being of people (i.e. us and our families), is most important to everyone; and people are more likely to sit up and listen about stuff that could be damaging their health, rather than talk about the alleged 'reptilian' agenda.

I couldn't agree more. I'd especially like to see drug industry investigated. People think oil industry is bad, then moan about it on their laptop, which by all rights they should throw out the window if they disagree with oil, but far less people are baying at the door of the pharmaceuticals.

i think he should speak about religions in brief. right from the scratch, like why was it started, who started it and the real agenda behind. why religion because nothing has helped these buggers in advancing their agenda as religion has. this is the thing that keeps the masses divided and in darkness.

He has done a fairly good job on religion in fairness. He's not the most coherent debunker of religion, but he has dedicated a few hundred pages at least to this. Plus, religion will finish itself off in short order anyway, I think. People are seeing through it at an ever-increasing rate.

I think he's done his part in uncovering the Government conspiracies now....the next step is to move on and look at the Nature Of Reality and begin to unfold these mysteries, the Gov Conspiracies have been done to death, and the reason is something we need to look further into....imo its not just about 'greed' from left brain politicians/humans, it goes deeper than that into things we've not discovered yet ....

How can one research and investigate 'the nature of reality' though? Is this not a bigger red herring than reptiles? The stuff that David has written about sending evil people love, ignoring them, vibrations, infinite illusion etc are already clear signs to me that he's going in the wrong direction as far as I'm concerned. I think we're in a crucial period of history where we need more than ever to make rational decisions, and one of those could be to come back down to earth from Annunaki or the Infinite Love plane, and research and expose the material, tangible evil* which is happening all around us.

If others think he's overdone the world government / NWO thing, then I'd still like to seem him pry into the more inaccessible corners of the machine, and give them a second going over. Forget the lizards David, please, and get stuck into the juicy details behind the power politics you have worked on before.

However, my final point is that...really, has David given any sign that he is interested in what his 'supporters' want him to investigate. Regardless of what else you think of him - and I think he's got his heart in the right place, even if I disagree with some of his thoughts - he is carving out his own niche in life, and he seems reasonably happy to do so. His shows and his books have become increasingly disassociative IMHO.

If you do read this thread David, please concentrate on what is in front of us.

My two cents as usual, wind up being about 200 words, but I'm being honest, which I think is crucial.

[phoebe]

From what I've read so far in The Biggest Secret, Icke's theories on reptillions is no different than christian beliefs in the devil. Controling people from within.

I'd love to see him do more mind manipulation technique films. It would be bloody good. But he is on his own journey and will do as he will.

Fair play to him!

For what it's worth, since you've probably got me
on ignore anyway, I believe that the reptilian thing
is symbolic of ego, the mechanism which allows
us to be controlled, which is also what the
Christian devil is all about...
Use people's ego - fear (guilt, hate, greed, distrust etc) to
control them.

[phoebe]

How can one research and investigate 'the nature of reality' though? Is this not a bigger red herring than reptiles? The stuff that David has written about sending evil people love, ignoring them, vibrations, infinite illusion etc are already clear signs to me that he's going in the wrong direction as far as I'm concerned. I think we're in a crucial period of history where we need more than ever to make rational decisions, and one of those could be to come back down to earth from Annunaki or the Infinite Love plane, and research and expose the material, tangible evil* which is happening all around us.

If you do read this thread David, please concentrate on what is in front of us.



Hi adimon :)

It is possible for one to research the nature of
reality, or the inner universe, but as I said earlier,
what relevance that will have to someone else is
debateable - you can only research the nature of
reality for yourself - because everyone's reality is different.

It is my understanding that the 'rational' era (the age of ego
and mind identification) is giving way to the 'intuitive' (the age of
spirit) and I think that is where the 'prize' lies.
Not digging down deeper, ever deeper into the bottomless
pit of dirt, scandal and (let's face it!) conjecture,
that is 'the conspiracy'.

They key to what you said above I think is that
there really are no evil people - there are just
different people doing what they believe to be
for the best, even if not everyone else agrees.

As long as it is believed that there is an 'us' (good),
and a 'them' (bad) we're not going to get anywhere as we
are again simply identifying our perception or opinion with truth.

I don't believe Icke ever said we should ignore these 'bad people',
rather that we should seek to empower ourselves
with the god-given talents of creation that we have,
and create a different version of events.

Most people are aware that the illuminati (or whatever)
is merely an extension of the collective ego...
People are scared of themselves and each other,
fearful of their own natures - thus they 'need' protecting:
the 'illuminati' are just filling that requirement.

As soon as people are able to get to work sorting
their own inner worlds out, things will be a whole lot easier
as a collective people, and the 'illuminati' will no longer
be needed.

imo :D

[adimon]

Hi adimon :)

It is possible for one to research the nature of
reality, or the inner universe, but as I said earlier,
what relevance that will have to someone else is
debateable - you can only research the nature of
reality for yourself - because everyone's reality is different.

It is my understanding that the 'rational' era (the age of ego
and mind identification) is giving way to the 'intuitive' (the age of
spirit) and I think that is where the 'prize' lies.
Not digging down deeper, ever deeper into the bottomless
pit of dirt, scandal and (let's face it!) conjecture,
that is 'the conspiracy'.

They key to what you said above I think is that
there really are no evil people - there are just
different people doing what they believe to be
for the best, even if not everyone else agrees.

As long as it is believed that there is an 'us' (good),
and a 'them' (bad) we're not going to get anywhere as we
are again simply identifying our perception or opinion with truth.

I don't believe Icke ever said we should ignore these 'bad people',
rather that we should seek to empower ourselves
with the god-given talents of creation that we have,
and create a different version of events.

Most people are aware that the illuminati (or whatever)
is merely an extension of the collective ego...
People are scared of themselves and each other,
fearful of their own natures - thus they 'need' protecting:
the 'illuminati' are just filling that requirement.

As soon as people are able to get to work sorting
their own inner worlds out, things will be a whole lot easier
as a collective people, and the 'illuminati' will no longer
be needed.

imo :D

Though not a spiritual person (for now), I can agree with most of what you say in theory. I especially agree with the text I've emboldened. I disagree about there not being any evil people though. There are, and have been people who know that what they are doing is not for the best. These people of course, often suffer later as a result of their choices - not in a karmic sense for me, but more to do with the self-destructive nature of concscience and emotion (as chemicals). This is probably the least sense-making post I've written on this forum, but in short Phoebe I agree!

[phoebe]

Though not a spiritual person (for now), I can agree with most of what you say in theory. I especially agree with the text I've emboldened. I disagree about there not being any evil people though. There are, and have been people who know that what they are doing is not for the best. These people of course, often suffer later as a result of their choices - not in a karmic sense for me, but more to do with the self-destructive nature of concscience and emotion (as chemicals). This is probably the least sense-making post I've written on this forum, but in short Phoebe I agree!

lol @ the last part!
Although you may not consider yourself a spiritual person
you are of course just as much spirit as everyone else,
it is your essence, and just as important as the physical.
I think it would be folly to ignore either facet of your being.

Whether something is evil or not again, is just
perception.
You might consider a paedophile to be evil, yet
would another paedophile consider the same person to be evil?

'Evil' for want of a better word, is created, not born and as such
I stand by what I said about focusing on 'inner wisdom' -
in that any 'evil' that might be within us can be rooted out
and transmuted.

Of course there has to be the desire to do that in the first place,
but I'm also a believer in the hundredth monkey being the straw
that breaks the camels back -
enough people doing the same and there will be a huge
leap in human consciousness across the board.

Conscience and emotion are as much to do with 'karma' as chemicals -
karma could be described as the spiritual 'debt' of past actions,
which conscience (ego) and chemicals in the body allow us
to be aware of in the physical body that we are in so that we may
rectify it and adjust our behaviour.

[adimon]

Whether something is evil or not again, is just
perception.
You might consider a paedophile to be evil, yet
would another paedophile consider the same person to be evil?

'Evil' for want of a better word, is created, not born and as such
I stand by what I said about focusing on 'inner wisdom' -
in that any 'evil' that might be within us can be rooted out
and transmuted.

Yeah the nature/nurture debate will probably the longest running one ever on human nature, but I believe that both are factors. Nature i.e. genetics, creates our blank slates, and then experience writes on them from there.

"The Blank Slate" by Steven Pinker is a great book on this.

Phoebe, in a simple way you have made a decent case for the exploration of the nature of reality. I don't know if DI is the right guy to do it though - he doesn't have the scientific knowledge to contrast the theoretical supposition with.

If you're going to explore souls and karma, you need to look at science too. They're just different perceptions, as you say.

Almost certainly DI would ignore science. He's too extreme.

[king]

Social engineering. That is a huge topic and would do Icke wonders.


Indeed he could wriggle out of his current predicament by shifting his emphasis from all of that 3d reality/illusion stuff to the psychological programming that is carried out by the Tavistock etc. The followers would still hang on but it would attract a lot of new people at the same time.




I agree. and even though he may loose a few of those "reptilian shapeshifting" followers by admitting that he has been (possibly) deceived -- he may regain lot more of credibility in explaining how he and many of his followers were lead to believe something that most likely came from Tavistock/CIA labs. He can use this to his advantage, if he approaches it cleverly.

You see they have Mr Icke in a quandary, for him to reveal the truth now means he has to go back and correct some of his former stuff or he will have to carry on spinning.

but that may not a be bad thing for him in long run, because
he can just expose yet another layer of Matrix control and how he has been deceived, and how he has not only sorted it out,
but he can explain the mechanics. All he has to do is use some good examples of how humans have been deceived
using psychology, especially behavioral science by those cold blooded people like B.F. Skinner.

So, i think that this reptilian deception (that should be clear to many by now) can be turned to his advantage -- if he dismantles it for all to see the parts that made it tick.


If he opts to correct it the press will blow it up in their normal way so he could take this line and claim it is a natural progression on from what he was talking about before.

all he has to do is PREDICT that PRESS will do so, and his "prediction" that is in actuality MATRIX program that PRESS is running will be the validation of his point.
Bill Cooper did not loose his credibility by admitting to possibility that he has been deceived and that his sources are questionable, what more he gained a lots of credibility.
because (like i said earlier) it takes a brave man to admit that that same man has been deceived.

At one time I also believed in Icke's reptilian stuff, so i know how pissed off i was when i understood that i have been (very likely) deceived. Actually admitting it was easier than i thought. Truth will set you free. the worse thing is lying to yourself.



I know it's a bit sneaky but from a practical point of view in the PR world it should work. say the lizard thing was just an analogy to their cold and calculating minds. a lot of people use the word lizard in this way, it might even establish itself a place in the English Dictionary!

I do not think that using "the lizard thing was just an analogy to their cold and calculating minds" would be a good idea.
this could really open up Icke to derision and mockery. it is lot better to bite the bullet and tell the truth.

because, the moment you do -- a huge burden that is holding you down is released. this in turn gives you more energy to carry on with new endeavors.

[dondaz]

For what it's worth, since you've probably got me
on ignore anyway, I believe that the reptilian thing
is symbolic of ego, the mechanism which allows
us to be controlled, which is also what the
Christian devil is all about...
Use people's ego - fear (guilt, hate, greed, distrust etc) to
control them.

I don't have anyone on ignore, never have, it's called being stubbern.

Reptilians, the devil, the ego. I can't see any difference myself.

[adimon]

So, i think that this reptilian deception (that should be clear to many by now) can be turned to his advantage -- if he dismantles it for all to see the parts that made it tick.

At one time I also believed in Icke's reptilian stuff, so i know how pissed off i was when i understood that i have been (very likely) deceived. Actually admitting it was easier than i thought. Truth will set you free. the worse thing is lying to yourself.

I do not think that using "the lizard thing was just an analogy to their cold and calculating minds" would be a good idea.
this could really open up Icke to derision and mockery. it is lot better to bite the bullet and tell the truth.

because, the moment you do -- a huge burden that is holding you down is released. this in turn gives you more energy to carry on with new endeavors.

It saves a lot of time and effort if you research things properly in the first place. IF David Icke does/did truly believe in reptilians it's because his research was so poor.

From what I can see, his evidence amounts to: testimony to him by uncited sources - the exact details/accounts of which Icke never revealed; also, the fact that reptiles have been used in folklore, mythology and art; and finally, he went off on his Annunaki thing due to the other writers who similarly have no tangible evidence, and are similarly too eager to take things to the extreme.

From whatever event that 'wakes you up' to the possibility that things are, at the very least, not quite what they seem - it doesn't take long to find out about secret societies etc.. but instead of trying to look deeper into these, Icke went back in time to Sumer, into science fiction (The Matrix) and at some point tried to link it all into his 9/11 theory which he self-proclaimed was the best-researched, and that he was the leading expert on it all.

He's spent a lot of time on his work, but I doubt he's the leading expert on anything. He is however, a great mind, and I'm sure he could uncover a lot if looking in the right areas.

A lot of people on the forum know he's been barking up the wrong tree for a while. Lets hope he does come round to the idea that he's been misled (or misled himself) on the Annunaki etc.. His books would be great if they weren't trying to hard to be a Complete Encyclopaedic History of Every Conspiracy Ever All Tied Together. We've had Wilson and Shea, we don't any more of that. We need David to do what idiots like Michael Moore can't do - properly explain things in the right way.

[seanx]

It saves a lot of time and effort if you research things properly in the first place. IF David Icke does/did truly believe in reptilians it's because his research was so poor.

From what I can see, his evidence amounts to: testimony to him by uncited sources - the exact details/accounts of which Icke never revealed; also, the fact that reptiles have been used in folklore, mythology and art; and finally, he went off on his Annunaki thing due to the other writers who similarly have no tangible evidence, and are similarly too eager to take things to the extreme.

From whatever event that 'wakes you up' to the possibility that things are, at the very least, not quite what they seem - it doesn't take long to find out about secret societies etc.. but instead of trying to look deeper into these, Icke went back in time to Sumer, into science fiction (The Matrix) and at some point tried to link it all into his 9/11 theory which he self-proclaimed was the best-researched, and that he was the leading expert on it all.

He's spent a lot of time on his work, but I doubt he's the leading expert on anything. He is however, a great mind, and I'm sure he could uncover a lot if looking in the right areas.

A lot of people on the forum know he's been barking up the wrong tree for a while. Lets hope he does come round to the idea that he's been misled (or misled himself) on the Annunaki etc.. His books would be great if they weren't trying to hard to be a Complete Encyclopaedic History of Every Conspiracy Ever All Tied Together. We've had Wilson and Shea, we don't any more of that. We need David to do what idiots like Michael Moore can't do - properly explain things in the right way.

Reading all these threads - and king and of course the bARON- it's
amazing how superior you all make yourselves out to be.

As if there is no chance in thw world that Icke may have a point!

The arrogance is extraordinary.

There is one difference, however between you guys, Mr Icke
and other investigators of the multi-dimensional universe: He
also uses another faculty to direct what he believes is worth
investigating: the same faculty all the great businessmen have ALWAYS
used: Intuition.

But your five-sense scientists have discredited and ridiculed this
so you dismiss it and disregard all such higher knowledge as
bunkum.

Your loss.

[baron von lotsov]

I agree. and even though he may loose a few of those "reptilian shapeshifting" followers by admitting that he has been (possibly) deceived -- he may regain lot more of credibility in explaining how he and many of his followers were lead to believe something that most likely came from Tavistock/CIA labs. He can use this to his advantage, if he approaches it cleverly.



but that may not a be bad thing for him in long run, because
he can just expose yet another layer of Matrix control and how he has been deceived, and how he has not only sorted it out,
but he can explain the mechanics. All he has to do is use some good examples of how humans have been deceived
using psychology, especially behavioral science by those cold blooded people like B.F. Skinner.

So, i think that this reptilian deception (that should be clear to many by now) can be turned to his advantage -- if he dismantles it for all to see the parts that made it tick.



all he has to do is PREDICT that PRESS will do so, and his "prediction" that is in actuality MATRIX program that PRESS is running will be the validation of his point.
Bill Cooper did not loose his credibility by admitting to possibility that he has been deceived and that his sources are questionable, what more he gained a lots of credibility.
because (like i said earlier) it takes a brave man to admit that that same man has been deceived.

At one time I also believed in Icke's reptilian stuff, so i know how pissed off i was when i understood that i have been (very likely) deceived. Actually admitting it was easier than i thought. Truth will set you free. the worse thing is lying to yourself.




I do not think that using "the lizard thing was just an analogy to their cold and calculating minds" would be a good idea.
this could really open up Icke to derision and mockery. it is lot better to bite the bullet and tell the truth.

because, the moment you do -- a huge burden that is holding you down is released. this in turn gives you more energy to carry on with new endeavors.

Yes but I don't see Icke coming completely clean in the way you say or he would have done so by now. I think in practicality the man will opt to steer his way out of it. That might be good because the press would not know how to deal with it. The press want to talk about lizards, they will give him prime time audiences for this but if he suddenly announces that he was conned by the lizards the media would jump on that and give it more of the wrong kind of exposure and we would be back to square one.

Now lets say he uses the reptilian thing in a way they were not expecting, then that would confuse them. I suppose it's a bit like how they try and con us, they mix a bit of truth in with a bit of bullshit. He needs to do the opposite and filter in the truth. I mean if he is in a studio and the first question is "Mr Icke you have said in your books that the world is ruled by 10 foot lizards" How would you get out of that? You see we don't want it to progress into a yes there are/no there are not lizards, so he can then start playing with their ideas. For example he could say, look at the way lizards move, and how slippery snakes are. Does this bear a resemblance to how the truth is conveyed to us? You see he could play with ideas and images in a most original way and chip in facts and keep the dullards entertained while educating them. After all you are not going to get a lot of sense out of prime time TV but the plus side is the audiences number in the millions. All you need is someone to take a liking to him to the extent they will wonder over to the website where there can be real information.

[adimon]

Yes but I don't see Icke coming completely clean in the way you say or he would have done so by now. I think in practicality the man will opt to steer his way out of it. That might be good because the press would not know how to deal with it. The press want to talk about lizards, they will give him prime time audiences for this but if he suddenly announces that he was conned by the lizards the media would jump on that and give it more of the wrong kind of exposure and we would be back to square one.

Now lets say he uses the reptilian thing in a way they were not expecting, then that would confuse them. I suppose it's a bit like how they try and con us, they mix a bit of truth in with a bit of bullshit. He needs to do the opposite and filter in the truth. I mean if he is in a studio and the first question is "Mr Icke you have said in your books that the world is ruled by 10 foot lizards" How would you get out of that? You see we don't want it to progress into a yes there are/no there are not lizards, so he can then start playing with their ideas. For example he could say, look at the way lizards move, and how slippery snakes are. Does this bear a resemblance to how the truth is conveyed to us? You see he could play with ideas and images in a most original way and chip in facts and keep the dullards entertained while educating them. After all you are not going to get a lot of sense out of prime time TV but the plus side is the audiences number in the millions. All you need is someone to take a liking to him to the extent they will wonder over to the website where there can be real information.

Shit, I thought all this was about truth - discovering truth, telling the truth...

'Playing with ideas'? 'Chipping in facts'? Doing it for the audience numbers? Needing people to take a 'liking to him'?

You're essentially suggesting Icke watering down his words to make them more palatable. He spends a little while at the beginning of his works expressing his total lack of desire to do this very thing.

I agree that more people would end up exploring these things, but if they're doing so on the back of new bullshit, how is that any different to them doing it off the back of old bullshit.

If he was a little bit more logical in his approach (not 5-sense scientific!) he'd probably already be in a position to make a big impact. But the point is, he doesn't give a shit whether people believe him or not.

Neither do those screaming their tirades about people that disagree with them being 'arrogant' and criticising them for not allowing intuition to be the be-all and end-all.

Reading all these threads - and king and of course the bARON- it's
amazing how superior you all make yourselves out to be.

As if there is no chance in thw world that Icke may have a point!

The arrogance is extraordinary.

I've never once said I was superior. I advocate a more logical approach than David Icke has demonstrated thus far, and a more intuitive approach than the vast majority of people display. Grey areas, compromise and patience in forming views are not usually synonymous with arrogance.

There is a chance that Icke has a point. Without citations and corroboration to accompany any intuition I might have, though, I have nowhere to step. It's not that I'm unwilling to explore/make that step.

Your view is I'm unwilling to consider these more extreme ideas such as reptilians. I am willing to consider. In order to believe, I need certain answers from the exponents I have already mentioned in detail.

My view is that those who DO believe in such things have made that step without foundation. The two views are currently almost unreconcilable. There are those on the forum who have inbetween views, which is fair enough.

As long as everyone is happy, I see no harm in any part of this debate. There are those on both sides either unwilling to debate or not wanting to debate, and that's ok too, as long as they don't stop others.

There is one difference, however between you guys, Mr Icke
and other investigators of the multi-dimensional universe: He
also uses another faculty to direct what he believes is worth
investigating: the same faculty all the great businessmen have ALWAYS
used: Intuition.

But your five-sense scientists have discredited and ridiculed this
so you dismiss it and disregard all such higher knowledge as
bunkum.

You see, a minute ago you were calling me arrogant - now you're referring to intuition as 'higher knowledge'.

I don't dismiss intuition - it serves me well. But I recognise its limitations and I personally think that IF David Icke does really believe the reptile thing, then it's because his intuition has led him astray. That's my opinion. Not arrogant, just considered, and different.

Your loss.

I don't see how.

[fremmenwarrior]

After reading everything that's been said here on this topic, with hindsight, looking at my first post about Mr. Icke working on deeper investigations into basically the same old stuff that's he's already covered - I agree that doing this would be non-productive; and yes, I can see now that the common conspiracy theories have quite literally all been 'done to death', so much so that perhaps people aren't listening (or even interested) anymore.

[fremmenwarrior]

Ok, So if we all know about the elites' well documented methods of control, aimed at bringing about the NWO, and how they are using their Hegelian "Problem - Reaction - Solution" methods of control to herd the sheep into 'their' pens.

Then what about the cure? How do we the people fight back? Why doesn't Mr. Icke write a book dealing with many of the issues that he's raised, in relation to how WE can all fight back against this tyranny; how we can oust the controlling elite, and finally break the draconian chain of control they are trying to hang around our necks?

Quite frankly, Mr. Icke (and those like him) could write a thousand books about conspiracy theories, but it seems that nothing much has changed / or will change - except he's got a bigger bank balance and a few people are maybe a bit more suspicious and/or less easily duped... but that's about all. We don't see millions of people demonstrating in the streets worldwide - it's all gone quiet... well, until the next despicable act the controlling elite choose to foist upon us all!

Now that all the conspiracy theory hype has died down, where do we go from here? There doesn't seem to be much discussion on this forum about how we fight this NWO tyranny and break free from it's curse...

Do we just go on and on and on talking about it, or do we organise together and actually DO something about this, en masse?

[adimon]

Now that all the conspiracy theory hype has died down, where do we go from here? There doesn't seem to be much discussion on this forum about how we fight this NWO tyranny and break free from it's curse...

Do we just go on and on and on talking about it, or do we organise together and actually DO something about this, en masse?

What 'we' do depends on 'who' we are, and what we believe...

I make the same point on this thread:-

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12398

[king]

great posts adimon!

seanx, you are accusing me without reading my posts. go and re-read them.
read what i said about believing in Icke's shapeshifting theory at one point in time then figuring out that it was a deception.

translation: i have been there where you are now buddy.
just because you and i disagree does not mean that I and those like I are ignorant or something as you are implying.
quite contrary.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

admin what kind of evidence would you want to sees as "proof" of reptilians? other then seeing them with your own eyes...

just curious.

[whitenight639]

I would like to hear icke talk a little bit more in depth about flouride and its possible connections to HARRP and the drug industry (some of which run by germans involved in producing gas for the gas chambers during nazi germany)

I'd like to see this issue finally tied together.

I'd also like to hear a more solution orientated talk/ newsletter I mean solutions that everyone can participate in now, not just solutions for new agers that really believe they can change the world by wishing etc (not that i dont believe in that but others especially newbies to the truth dont).

Would also like to hear what he thinks about the future, like where this forum is going, how he feels about it etc.

[crowd control]

No Plane Theory!

[baron von lotsov]

Shit, I thought all this was about truth - discovering truth, telling the truth...

'Playing with ideas'? 'Chipping in facts'? Doing it for the audience numbers? Needing people to take a 'liking to him'?

You're essentially suggesting Icke watering down his words to make them more palatable. He spends a little while at the beginning of his works expressing his total lack of desire to do this very thing.

I agree that more people would end up exploring these things, but if they're doing so on the back of new bullshit, how is that any different to them doing it off the back of old bullshit.




In an ideal world Mr Icke would not have been fooled by lizards and the press would pick and choose whom they had on their shows according to how helpful they are to their audiences. Indeed Icke would be Terry Wogan and Terry Wogan would be signing on at the dole office for being a waste of space. We know this is not the case and we still need to get from A to B. The dilemma is how do you get the message out to as many people as possible when the people you are exposing control the very media you want to use? Your turn brain box!

[adimon]

admin what kind of evidence would you want to sees as "proof" of reptilians? other then seeing them with your own eyes...

just curious.

I'm assuming you're asking me gorgeous and have mispelled my name? I'm assuming you mean me not because I am arrogant ("I bet you think this song is about you, don't you?" LOL) but because I was outspoken about reptilian research above.

I am reluctant to go over this in too much detail since really I'd be theoreticising into something which has been created out of that same theoreticising process, IMHO. I'm happy to continue researching and watching the videos of 'shapeshifts' in case something good comes along.

What I will say is a little bit about what I think constitutes a logically sound piece of evidence using JFK as an example. In the movie, Costner demonstrates the magic bullet theory, but takes liberties with the truth in preparing it. If the details as he presented them were true, then he would be right, the bullet's flight would have been impossible. But he ignored the fact that Connelly was sat lower than Jack, and more toward the middle of the car, and the angle of the car itself...and so his little speech is worthless as evidence but most people who watch the movie, or who research the bullet's flight in the same way that Garrison appears to have done, end up believing that this 'demo' is proof that LHO was not the assassin. There have been those who have collected all the measurements of Dealey plaza, and created a 3d model, which allows us to see the possibilities extrapolated more accurately*.

I'm sorry I can't give you an easy answer on this, as I'm not sure how to describe/define what would constitute decent evidence for me.

I try to work logically in my research and examine evidence as impartially as possible. If you have anything you would like to ask or debate with me, either in the forum, or via PM, I am always willing, people. We may end up agreeing to disagree but there's still a lot to be learnt by sharing.

I would like to hear icke talk a little bit more in depth about flouride and its possible connections to HARRP and the drug industry (some of which run by germans involved in producing gas for the gas chambers during nazi germany)

I'd like to see this issue finally tied together.

I'd also like to hear a more solution orientated talk/ newsletter I mean solutions that everyone can participate in now, not just solutions for new agers that really believe they can change the world by wishing etc (not that i dont believe in that but others especially newbies to the truth dont).

Would also like to hear what he thinks about the future, like where this forum is going, how he feels about it etc.

These are all great suggestions. :)

No Plane Theory!

As is this. I've got a lot of time for this concept, and am still researching it.

In an ideal world Mr Icke would not have been fooled by lizards and the press would pick and choose whom they had on their shows according to how helpful they are to their audiences. Indeed Icke would be Terry Wogan and Terry Wogan would be signing on at the dole office for being a waste of space. We know this is not the case and we still need to get from A to B. The dilemma is how do you get the message out to as many people as possible when the people you are exposing control the very media you want to use? Your turn brain box!

Baron I totally respect your opinion, and I was and am only giving mine in return. You should do what you can and will to wake people up, I'm sure you have a lot of energy you can get things moving. :)

The media is under a tight leash this is for sure, but it's not airtight in my belief. There are ways and means, and for those who are passionate about an issue, the truth will out.

I think we'll disagree on this paragraph though. DI has not demonstrated sufficient powers of balancing reason and intuition for me to recommend him vetting TV guests on an informative program. Wogan...a waste of space? Hmmm maybe. He is a person, therefore is useful, at the very least in potential. I don't like TV, and don't watch his show anyway. I think he is close minded. When DI was on the second time, he was more polite, but that is really because David had become a better public speaker. He was still a bit 'anti' when David mentions the 'open society in US' can o worms.

In an ideal world, the concept of timetabling, channel identity and the like would be replaced with a giant bank of information readily accessible in many forms. People should still go check things out in person first off, it's the best way. If you really want to know what it's like in Laos, then go, for instance. :)

Anyway, I'm not a brain box. I don't have all the answers. I think that those who share similar beliefs should work together, without becoming too 'committee' - e.g. the People's Front of Judea! - and there is a lot that can be done. I'm interested in finding out in November what the deal is with Common Purpose and speaking to Brian Gerrish, and I also think the world is not a bad bad place that will kill me if I leave my house, so I run, keep myself fit, do loads of reading, and one day things will be better. But I'm a realist, not a utopian, so I believe in one day at a time, and when I hear 'Infinite love is truth, the rest is illusion', I get quite angry.

But that's my view. End of rant.

[seanx]

I hear 'Infinite love is truth, the rest is illusion', I get quite angry.

Might it also be possible that you don't actually understand what
icke means when he says: 'Infinite love is truth, the rest is
illusion'.

He does not mean to run away from the world and pretend
everything is rosy - but he does mean you must learn to see things in
their proper context - and when you do you'll be in a much stronger,
positive and resourceful state to deal with the problems in
the world.

Now here's a question i wonder will any of you - King, the baron and
adminion have the balls to answer honestly: Have you actually READ
his book: 'Infinite love is truth, the rest is illusion'. Honestly read it?


And if so, whether you agree with it or not, what is the core point he
is trying to make.

Let's be honest: If you haven't read that book or Tales of the time
loop - its frankly disrespectful of you to make comments about where
icke is going or should go in his further research.

As for his future research - there is no mystery there.

Lottie is right. All his future work as he has detailed in his
newsletters will be, where it RIGHTLY belongs into the NATURE
OF REALITY. What it is and how we can create real change in it.

[punjabibeard]

sacred shits of the sociopathic speed freak :rolleyes:

[adimon]

Might it also be possible that you don't actually understand what
icke means when he says: 'Infinite love is truth, the rest is
illusion'.

It's possible I don't understand yes. I did read the book. Other than reading the book I guess the other three ways of gaining understanding would be to talk to people on this forum, talk to people in person at the forum meetup (which I hope to do) and talk to David himself again (which I would also hope to do).

Naturally you've discussed on the forum. Have you been to any meetups or met David himself? Did you have any interesting insights on the infinite love concept?

Serious, non-threatening question: are you sure that you understand what he means? :)

I wasn't criticising the book itself, just the attitude that some have adopted which is the problems in the world will go away through meditation or vibrations or whatever. Sorry that was unclear.

Now here's a question i wonder will any of you - King, the baron and
adminion have the balls to answer honestly: Have you actually READ
his book: 'Infinite love is truth, the rest is illusion'. Honestly read it?

I've read it.

And if so, whether you agree with it or not, what is the core point he
is trying to make.

Are you asking me this to test if I've read it? Or to see if my appraisal matches your appraisal, and is therefore right? Or are you genuinely interested in my opinion? These are sincere questions, please read them without any tone of irony. :)

Let's be honest: If you haven't read that book or Tales of the time
loop - its frankly disrespectful of you to make comments about where
icke is going or should go in his further research.

I've read Time Loop also. There are some I haven't read, but I've read the ones mentioned in this thread.



As for his future research - there is no mystery there.

Lottie is right. All his future work as he has detailed in his
newsletters will be, where it RIGHTLY belongs into the NATURE
OF REALITY. What it is and how we can create real change in it.

I wasn't suggesting it was all a mystery. This is an opinion thread, not a prediction thread.

Hope this is useful. :)

[punjabibeard]

In an ideal world Mr Icke would not have been fooled by lizards and the press would pick and choose whom they had on their shows according to how helpful they are to their audiences. Indeed Icke would be Terry Wogan and Terry Wogan would be signing on at the dole office for being a waste of space. We know this is not the case and we still need to get from A to B. The dilemma is how do you get the message out to as many people as possible when the people you are exposing control the very media you want to use? Your turn brain box!

SIMPLE!!
you tie your thoughts to your bottom manner and let the sewer guardians take care of it :rolleyes:

[thetonic]

I'm assuming you're asking me gorgeous and have mispelled my name? I'm assuming you mean me not because I am arrogant ("I bet you think this song is about you, don't you?" LOL) but because I was outspoken about reptilian research above.

I am reluctant to go over this in too much detail since really I'd be theoreticising into something which has been created out of that same theoreticising process, IMHO. I'm happy to continue researching and watching the videos of 'shapeshifts' in case something good comes along.

What I will say is a little bit about what I think constitutes a logically sound piece of evidence using JFK as an example. In the movie, Costner demonstrates the magic bullet theory, but takes liberties with the truth in preparing it. If the details as he presented them were true, then he would be right, the bullet's flight would have been impossible. But he ignored the fact that Connelly was sat lower than Jack, and more toward the middle of the car, and the angle of the car itself...and so his little speech is worthless as evidence but most people who watch the movie, or who research the bullet's flight in the same way that Garrison appears to have done, end up believing that this 'demo' is proof that LHO was not the assassin. There have been those who have collected all the measurements of Dealey plaza, and created a 3d model, which allows us to see the possibilities extrapolated more accurately*.

I'm sorry I can't give you an easy answer on this, as I'm not sure how to describe/define what would constitute decent evidence for me.

I try to work logically in my research and examine evidence as impartially as possible. If you have anything you would like to ask or debate with me, either in the forum, or via PM, I am always willing, people. We may end up agreeing to disagree but there's still a lot to be learnt by sharing.



These are all great suggestions. :)



As is this. I've got a lot of time for this concept, and am still researching it.



Baron I totally respect your opinion, and I was and am only giving mine in return. You should do what you can and will to wake people up, I'm sure you have a lot of energy you can get things moving. :)

The media is under a tight leash this is for sure, but it's not airtight in my belief. There are ways and means, and for those who are passionate about an issue, the truth will out.

I think we'll disagree on this paragraph though. DI has not demonstrated sufficient powers of balancing reason and intuition for me to recommend him vetting TV guests on an informative program. Wogan...a waste of space? Hmmm maybe. He is a person, therefore is useful, at the very least in potential. I don't like TV, and don't watch his show anyway. I think he is close minded. When DI was on the second time, he was more polite, but that is really because David had become a better public speaker. He was still a bit 'anti' when David mentions the 'open society in US' can o worms.

In an ideal world, the concept of timetabling, channel identity and the like would be replaced with a giant bank of information readily accessible in many forms. People should still go check things out in person first off, it's the best way. If you really want to know what it's like in Laos, then go, for instance. :)

Anyway, I'm not a brain box. I don't have all the answers. I think that those who share similar beliefs should work together, without becoming too 'committee' - e.g. the People's Front of Judea! - and there is a lot that can be done. I'm interested in finding out in November what the deal is with Common Purpose and speaking to Brian Gerrish, and I also think the world is not a bad bad place that will kill me if I leave my house, so I run, keep myself fit, do loads of reading, and one day things will be better. But I'm a realist, not a utopian, so I believe in one day at a time, and when I hear 'Infinite love is truth, the rest is illusion', I get quite angry.

But that's my view. End of rant.

adimon - you are talking with so much sense lately .. that im wondering if its really you?:D;)

[adimon]

adimon - you are talking with so much sense lately .. that im wondering if its really you?:D;)

LOL :D

What have I ever said that doesn't make sense? :cool: ;)

My very first post was misguided because I wrongly assumed everyone here was a devout Icke supporter and shared the exact same beliefs - reptilians the whole lot. This was a stupid error of judgement, and I should have read a lot more posts first.

Since then, though, I can't say I've been in a different mindset. :confused:

[baron von lotsov]

Baron I totally respect your opinion, and I was and am only giving mine in return. You should do what you can and will to wake people up, I'm sure you have a lot of energy you can get things moving. :)

The media is under a tight leash this is for sure, but it's not airtight in my belief. There are ways and means, and for those who are passionate about an issue, the truth will out.

I think we'll disagree on this paragraph though. DI has not demonstrated sufficient powers of balancing reason and intuition for me to recommend him vetting TV guests on an informative program. Wogan...a waste of space? Hmmm maybe. He is a person, therefore is useful, at the very least in potential. I don't like TV, and don't watch his show anyway. I think he is close minded. When DI was on the second time, he was more polite, but that is really because David had become a better public speaker. He was still a bit 'anti' when David mentions the 'open society in US' can o worms.

In an ideal world, the concept of timetabling, channel identity and the like would be replaced with a giant bank of information readily accessible in many forms. People should still go check things out in person first off, it's the best way. If you really want to know what it's like in Laos, then go, for instance. :)

Anyway, I'm not a brain box. I don't have all the answers. I think that those who share similar beliefs should work together, without becoming too 'committee' - e.g. the People's Front of Judea! - and there is a lot that can be done. I'm interested in finding out in November what the deal is with Common Purpose and speaking to Brian Gerrish, and I also think the world is not a bad bad place that will kill me if I leave my house, so I run, keep myself fit, do loads of reading, and one day things will be better. But I'm a realist, not a utopian, so I believe in one day at a time, and when I hear 'Infinite love is truth, the rest is illusion', I get quite angry.

But that's my view. End of rant.


OK fair comment. I was just trying to stimulate some grey cell activity amongst people where some think it is all so easy to play the media. It isn't and I learnt a hard lesson when I was 16 and running a pirate radio station. I got a call from one paper who was digging for dirt and dirt was what they produced. Now my personal way now is to set an example of standards. That includes balanced arguments, good research and most importantly a style that keep the listener entertained, shall we say. Not over the top but certainly not as boring as a 10 000 page government report. The trick is in keeping things brief. The best English is using words that paint an entire picture. All the best literature uses this. So something that inspires but does it honestly.

Icke's job is difficult though by his own making but in a funny kind of way it might be equally said that had he not found the lizards the media might have just never had him even on the first Wogan show. That's an interesting thing to consider. Yes they did want to set him up as a laughing stock, yes he did become one but also through his intelligence, which is better than a lot of them he has kept a reasonable amount of credibility and is a household name as well. I guess they didn't count on him being that intelligent, as they laughed at him in the early days. So all he has to do is work on developing a media personality and gradually shift to the important stuff once they are ready for it. Don't go in one giant leap or the psychological response is rejection. Better to gain ground gradually so no one notices the shift. Even the media could learn this trick in order to disseminate controversial cover-ups.

Good luck with Brian Gerrish, that is someone who I have a lot of respect for. We need more people like that.

[barbitone]

OK fair comment. I was just trying to stimulate some grey cell activity amongst people where some think it is all so easy to play the media. It isn't and I learnt a hard lesson when I was 16 and running a pirate radio station. I got a call from one paper who was digging for dirt and dirt was what they produced. Now my personal way now is to set an example of standards. That includes balanced arguments, good research and most importantly a style that keep the listener entertained, shall we say. Not over the top but certainly not as boring as a 10 000 page government report. The trick is in keeping things brief. The best English is using words that paint an entire picture. All the best literature uses this. So something that inspires but does it honestly.

Icke's job is difficult though by his own making but in a funny kind of way it might be equally said that had he not found the lizards the media might have just never had him even on the first Wogan show. That's an interesting thing to consider. Yes they did want to set him up as a laughing stock, yes he did become one but also through his intelligence, which is better than a lot of them he has kept a reasonable amount of credibility and is a household name as well. I guess they didn't count on him being that intelligent, as they laughed at him in the early days. So all he has to do is work on developing a media personality and gradually shift to the important stuff once they are ready for it. Don't go in one giant leap or the psychological response is rejection. Better to gain ground gradually so no one notices the shift. Even the media could learn this trick in order to disseminate controversial cover-ups.

Good luck with Brian Gerrish, that is someone who I have a lot of respect for. We need more people like that.


Develop a media personality and shift to the important stuff? I think the nature of reality is pretty damn important. David doesn't need "tricks", he's got the truth.

[horus21]

Excluding a topic like 2012 (that's already been adequately covered by a few good experts in that field), what other conspiracy reality or metaphysical topics would you like Mr. Icke to either research (and then speak out
about) and / or write a book about, because he's never covered the topic before, or because maybe some others have, but have done so mediocrely in your view (and you'd like him to, saying why), or he has covered (or has spoken about) the topic, but in your view did so rather superficially and you'd like him to go a lot deeper.


Id like him to turn his back on his puppeteers and reveal his own personal agenda and all reason for its creation... that would get him some respect and dignity back in my eyes.

[baron von lotsov]

I do think he means well but he was in a rather Orwellian environment at that BBC. Orwell was as well you know but he got caught up in a load of disinfo. Worse than that he published it, so it is, as they say 'on record'. However the worst mistake he made was when he started swearing about all of the Christians because he did not understand the vast majority of America is Christian and a large chunk of the conspiracy movement as well. He got caught up in that puppet Bush and used the Christian association and so on just as the elite were trying to push but no one saw that at the time.

This is a classic elite trap by the way, they get someone to exhibit pride and pride is deadly. Indeed pride is the number one mechanism of how the masons are kept in check. After that he was meat for the occultists who just love people to do the Christian bashing. He was caught up with that African guy and did a load of hallucinogenic and we were really worried for the man. He was heading rapidly down the same path Shayler has taken. So I say he needs to sober up and get back to some proper research. I still think the social engineering agenda is something he could explore. Not much has been done on this so it would be original material, enough to write a book on. Henry Makow is the best in the business at the moment in this area.

[adimon]

OK fair comment. I was just trying to stimulate some grey cell activity amongst people where some think it is all so easy to play the media. It isn't and I learnt a hard lesson when I was 16 and running a pirate radio station. I got a call from one paper who was digging for dirt and dirt was what they produced. Now my personal way now is to set an example of standards. That includes balanced arguments, good research and most importantly a style that keep the listener entertained, shall we say. Not over the top but certainly not as boring as a 10 000 page government report. The trick is in keeping things brief. The best English is using words that paint an entire picture. All the best literature uses this. So something that inspires but does it honestly.

Icke's job is difficult though by his own making but in a funny kind of way it might be equally said that had he not found the lizards the media might have just never had him even on the first Wogan show. That's an interesting thing to consider. Yes they did want to set him up as a laughing stock, yes he did become one but also through his intelligence, which is better than a lot of them he has kept a reasonable amount of credibility and is a household name as well. I guess they didn't count on him being that intelligent, as they laughed at him in the early days. So all he has to do is work on developing a media personality and gradually shift to the important stuff once they are ready for it. Don't go in one giant leap or the psychological response is rejection. Better to gain ground gradually so no one notices the shift. Even the media could learn this trick in order to disseminate controversial cover-ups.

Good luck with Brian Gerrish, that is someone who I have a lot of respect for. We need more people like that.

Yes this is fair comment too. We'll have to agree to disagree on the 'change of tact' thing as I think he should change his research methods.

I'm interested to hear about your radio stuff though. Do you broadcast? I have a friend whose radio equipment can receive/transmit most things... :)

Can't remember his callsign. I can give you mine sometime but it's encrypted and shorter range (<200km)

Speak soon

[seanx]

Baron wrote:
I do think he means well but he was in a rather Orwellian environment at that BBC. Orwell was as well you know but he got caught up in a load of disinfo. Worse than that he published it, so it is, as they say 'on record'. However the worst mistake he made was when he started swearing about all of the Christians because he did not understand the vast majority of America is Christian and a large chunk of the conspiracy movement as well. He got caught up in that puppet Bush and used the Christian association and so on just as the elite were trying to push but no one saw that at the time.

This is a classic elite trap by the way, they get someone to exhibit pride and pride is deadly. Indeed pride is the number one mechanism of how the masons are kept in check. After that he was meat for the occultists who just love people to do the Christian bashing. He was caught up with that African guy and did a load of hallucinogenic and we were really worried for the man. He was heading rapidly down the same path Shayler has taken. So I say he needs to sober up and get back to some proper research. I still think the social engineering agenda is something he could explore. Not much has been done on this so it would be original material, enough to write a book on. Henry Makow is the best in the business at the moment in this area.


Translation: Be a good little boy, now Mr icke - and go BACK
into the Matrix.

Your ideas are frightening us.

They are outside our conditioned 5-sense box - and
thus are nonsense.

What did icke say once about the prisoners themselves been
the best guards!!

[adimon]

This is a classic elite trap by the way, they get someone to exhibit pride and pride is deadly. Indeed pride is the number one mechanism of how the masons are kept in check. After that he was meat for the occultists who just love people to do the Christian bashing. He was caught up with that African guy and did a load of hallucinogenic and we were really worried for the man. He was heading rapidly down the same path Shayler has taken. So I say he needs to sober up and get back to some proper research. I still think the social engineering agenda is something he could explore. Not much has been done on this so it would be original material, enough to write a book on. Henry Makow is the best in the business at the moment in this area.

This is spot on. Will check out Makow on your recommendation. Thanks. :)

[davidbarstis]

I, personally, would much rather hear about reptilians from an intelligent person than about how they don't exist from ignorant people.

[lottie]

I, personally, would much rather hear about reptilians from an intelligent person than about how they don't exist from ignorant people.

Fantastic quote DB!

[adimon]

I, personally, would much rather hear about reptilians from an intelligent person than about how they don't exist from ignorant people.

Who are you referring to as ignorant? :confused:

[phoebe]

I, personally, would much rather hear about reptilians from an intelligent person than about how they don't exist from ignorant people.

Do you think that everyone who doesn't think they exist is ignorant?

[synak]

I think many seem to get caught up in the semantics of the word "reptilian" and automatically revert to a state of disbelief. We need to stop quibbling and heaving petty debates/insults. (Not just here, I mean as a whole in general). Anything is possible. Contrary to what others may think we actually know very little of these beings' origins and how long they've been here. We have speculation and limited research which only takes so far until we start drawing blanks and can go no further. Whether they originate from flying monkeys or chupacabras the point is they are spiritually not "human" and have enslaved all of the planet's population. Let's spend more energy seeking knowledge and less becoming easily derailed by words.

My two cents, take it as you may.

[lottie]

Do you think that everyone who doesn't think they exist is ignorant?

Hey phoebes,:)

I have no right to say that anyone who doesnt believe in reptiles etc is ignorant, but i must say that before i was aware of all this and the reptile thing was mentioned I was ignorant, i openly admit i was and ignorant and self-righteous, I would never speak of people in a derogatory way as its not like me, but I can say that personally I was ignorant about the reptillian theory and i dont mind people referring to me as just that because its true!!! :D

But i see where you are coming from!

[baron von lotsov]

Yes this is fair comment too. We'll have to agree to disagree on the 'change of tact' thing as I think he should change his research methods.

I'm interested to hear about your radio stuff though. Do you broadcast? I have a friend whose radio equipment can receive/transmit most things... :)

Can't remember his callsign. I can give you mine sometime but it's encrypted and shorter range (<200km)

Speak soon

Oh I used to be running a pirate station with a mate when I was still at school and it got onto the front page of the local. Our local was nice about it and even the radio cops who tracked it down but the local about 10 miles away were more tabloid in format and couldn't resist the chance of a dig. I was in the garage at the time fixing the engine on my bike when I got passed the phone. The greasy reporter said why do you do it. I thought about the question but it was one of those that were like fired at someone rather than any polite enquiry. All I could think of at the time was to say we do it for fun. That was just what they needed for their headline the following week. You live and learn as they say.

[adimon]

Contrary to what others may think we actually know very little of these beings' origins and how long they've been here. We have speculation and limited research which only takes so far until we start drawing blanks and can go no further. Whether they originate from flying monkeys or chupacabras the point is they are spiritually not "human" and have enslaved all of the planet's population.

Do we know this? I'm pretty certain that the ongoing debate on this is because there isn't much evidence as to their existence, let alone their 'origin' ?

I have no right to say that anyone who doesnt believe in reptiles etc is ignorant, but i must say that before i was aware of all this and the reptile thing was mentioned I was ignorant

What changed your mind lottie? :)

[synak]

Do we know this? I'm pretty certain that the ongoing debate on this is because there isn't much evidence as to their existence, let alone their 'origin' ?


Umm isn't that what I said? That we know very little of their origins? And yes we know they've enslaved the entire population, not even a question really.

[adimon]

i must say that before i was aware of all this and the reptile thing was mentioned I was ignorant

What changed your mind lottie?

[lottie]

What changed your mind lottie?

Sorry adimon- only just found your post! :D

Um....what changed my mind......well, realising that most of what i'd been told about the world from school and basically ever by anyone was scattered with inaccuracies and lies, realising i have been programmed and manipulated from birth, this encouraged me to rely on myself to research and verify info for myself rather than listening to anyone else especially in the 'mainstream' of anything! Make up my own mind....:)

Just doing a lot of research really, those who made claims of reptiles/shapeshifting i studied, theories i looked at, reasons behind these eg; supression/manipulation of history/science/religion, adding up scientific evidence, including quantum physics n stuff, judgement of peoples authenticity, discussing it with others, realising that i wasnt all as clever as i thought i was at all and telling myself to stop being an ignorant arse- and for someone who called themselves 'open-minded' i was really quite hypocritical at times, all of it is just ongoing research and proof to myself (not others) my faith, my beliefs, my opinions....i wouldnt say i now believe in the reptilian theory but i dont disbelieve it by any means....im just open to the possibility! :) I dont feel the need to have a solid opinion of whether they exist or not either way! But i was an ignoramus!!! :D i was too busy watching what the rest of society said/did/believed and follwed suit so as not to stand out!

[davidbarstis]

Yes, lottie. We have all been there. Going with the crowd. I mean all those influential people in our lives telling us how it was. We've been taught not to think for ourselves, to just trust those who have been around longer. But nothing ever felt quite right. Why in a world of so many supposedly good and caring people, are things so negative and cold? Then The Biggest Secret stood out at me in the book store and I bought it and read it. BAM! It hit me like a ton of bricks. It made perfect sense of all this craziness. It was truly an inspiration to find my own information. The reptiles? I know a hell of a lot of people who has reported it long before Icke. No one here can say they don't exist, only those who find it too hard to deal with or those who want to pretend they are smarter than Icke by saying he is fed disinformation. Yeah, Icke doesn't have the ability to filter bullshit. How many books have these people written?

[i_am]

I think people take exception to the word ignorant as they take it as aput down. We were/are all ignorant on many things. It does not mean we are stupid at least I hope that is not what anyone is implying.

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. Ignorance is sometimes misinterpreted as a synonym of stupidity, and is as thus often taken as an insult.

In many cases ignorance is seen as a pleasant alternative to harsh reality.

[damagedbrainn]

I think people take exception to the word ignorant as they take it as aput down. We were/are all ignorant on many things. It does not mean we are stupid at least I hope that is not what anyone is implying.

People take offense to it because it implies that they only think what they think due to a lack of knowing any better. It's condescending. A person who is ignorant of the reptilian theory would be someone who has never heard or read about it, not someone who just doesn't believe in it despite having heard and read about it. There are people on this forum who have never read any of Icke's books but still believe in the reptilian theory, then there are people who have read David Icke's books who do not. The latter group is not "ignorant" of anything.

[i_am]

People take offense to it because it implies that they only think what they think due to a lack of knowing any better. It's condescending. A person who is ignorant of the reptilian theory would be someone who has never heard or read about it, not someone who just doesn't believe in it despite having heard and read about it. There are people on this forum who have never read any of Icke's books but still believe in the reptilian theory, then there are people who have read David Icke's books who do not. The latter group is not "ignorant" of anything.

Correct :)

And that is why I stated that I hope stupidty is not what is implied.

[damagedbrainn]

Correct :)

And that is why I stated that I hope stupidty is not what is implied.

And I was essentially stating that stupidity is what was implied.

[zoloko]

I LOVE YOU!

Who are we to tell David Icke what he should or should not focus on!! Write your own book´s, go on stage for hours on end yourself!
But leave David Icke to FEEL what he is focusing on and has shared so wonderfully, with us all!:)

THANK YOU!

[adimon]

No one here can say they don't exist, only those who find it too hard to deal with or those who want to pretend they are smarter than Icke by saying he is fed disinformation.

Yes I can. Reptilians do not exist.

Too hard to deal with? Nope.

Pretending they are smarter than Icke? I don't think I've heard anyone claim that. But...you do know that there are some people in the world smarter than Icke, right?

I'm actually not of the opinion he was fed disinfo. My personal opinion - which I 'm ENTITLED to, and which you can disagree with but not suppress, as you suggest above - is that his intuition let him get carried away, and that he should have been a bit more careful in his research; because in all his most 'turning-point' type books, he is thoroughly lacking in citation and corroboration.

And I was essentially stating that stupidity is what was implied.

Yes mate, they do more than imply it at times. And it's so boring and pitiful to watch. :)

[seanx]

Adimon wrote:
Yes I can. Reptilians do not exist. Too hard to deal with? Nope.



What an extraordinary man you are.

We know there are literally billions of planets out there in the
universe.

And when you add to that the probable INFINITEnumber
of dimensions that co-exist even where you are sitting now -
yet Mr. Adimon with his obviously infinitely superior intelligence
can tell us without doubt: 'Yes I can. Reptilians
do not exist'.

We are a tiny, tiny, tiny speck in the infinite multi-universe
within other infinite multi-universes - yet our friend
can tell us categorically that such things don't exist.

What a great man we are in the mist of!

Please someone e-mail Mr Icke to immediately get to Wales
so that he can sit at the feet of Mr Adimon to learn more.

Also can I suggest, you read lottie's reply to your question -
where you might grasp a little bit of wisdom ( most of us don't
know, but we are open-mined to all possibilites) - and hopefully
a little bit of humility in the face of the awesome universe we live
in:

Just doing a lot of research really, those who made claims of reptiles/shapeshifting i studied, theories i looked at, reasons behind these eg; supression/manipulation of history/science/religion, adding up scientific evidence, including quantum physics n stuff, judgement of peoples authenticity, discussing it with others, realising that i wasnt all as clever as i thought i was at all and telling myself to stop being an ignorant arse- and for someone who called themselves 'open-minded' i was really quite hypocritical at times, all of it is just ongoing research and proof to myself (not others) my faith, my beliefs, my opinions....i wouldnt say i now believe in the reptilian theory but i dont disbelieve it by any means....im just open to the possibility! I dont feel the need to have a solid opinion of whether they exist or not either way! But i was an ignoramus!!! i was too busy watching what the rest of society said/did/believed and follwed suit so as not to stand out!

[mr_moon]

Excluding a topic like 2012 (that's already been adequately covered by a few good experts in that field), what other conspiracy reality or metaphysical topics would you like Mr. Icke to either research (and then speak out
about) and / or write a book about, because he's never covered the topic before, or because maybe some others have, but have done so mediocrely in your view (and you'd like him to, saying why), or he has covered (or has spoken about) the topic, but in your view did so rather superficially and you'd like him to go a lot deeper.

What about this forum? That would be a good topic... ;)

[fremmenwarrior]

Perhaps Mr. Icke could probe the 'real' truth about genetic engineering and genetic modification of crops, viruses, animals, and yes even possibly genetically modified humans??

Who knows, if reptilians and / or alien beings from another planet are just too much for people to swallow, then what about the possibility that these 'shapeshifting beings' that Mr. Icke and other people claim to have seen, are not 'reptilians' at all, but genetically modified (hybrid) humans? i.e. Supra-intelligent - immune to disease - telepathic, telekinetic etc etc etc.

Who knows what these top secret government scientific research facilities are getting into these days...

[baron von lotsov]

Perhaps Mr. Icke could probe the 'real' truth about genetic engineering and genetic modification of crops, viruses, animals, and yes even possibly genetically modified humans??

Who knows, if reptilians and / or alien beings from another planet are just too much for people to swallow, then what about the possibility that these 'shapeshifting beings' that Mr. Icke and other people claim to have seen, are not 'reptilians' at all, but genetically modified (hybrid) humans? i.e. Supra-intelligent - immune to disease - telepathic, telekinetic etc etc etc.

Who knows what these top secret government scientific research facilities are getting into these days...

Forget it. The conspiracy is in plain view. You can learn more about it reading the BBC than any of these UFO, ridiculous websites, many of which I will remind you are actually sponsored by the elite. I was not born yesterday and when the alien thing is promoted by the mainstream it means they want you to believe it. Now when you ask why then you are getting somewhere. How many of those videos are false? I saw one made in the 1970s in Switzerland about some cult. Oh it was just so obviously elite you would have been shocked. One comment that struck me was the narrator saying, "Why would they come here" (cue mystic music) "in Switzerland of all places, a country that is aggressively independent"

Come on guys, its not that difficult to see the elite have spun you. Long term this alien thing as well. Remember the 50s?

[matrixcutter]

Forget it. The conspiracy is in plain view. You can learn more about it reading the BBC than any of these UFO, ridiculous websites, many of which I will remind you are actually sponsored by the elite. I was not born yesterday and when the alien thing is promoted by the mainstream it means they want you to believe it. Now when you ask why then you are getting somewhere. How many of those videos are false? I saw one made in the 1970s in Switzerland about some cult. Oh it was just so obviously elite you would have been shocked. One comment that struck me was the narrator saying, "Why would they come here" (cue mystic music) "in Switzerland of all places, a country that is aggressively independent"

Come on guys, its not that difficult to see the elite have spun you. Long term this alien thing as well. Remember the 50s?
Alan Watt has talked about this before. He mentioned the fact that the Club of Rome (mp3 (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_CrisisCreationClubOfRome_May302007 .mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_CrisisCreationClubOfRome_May302007 .html)) discussed the threat of aliens as a common enemy to unite humanity, and that they decided on something else. This is from their own publication The First Global Revolution - taken from the transcript:

The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.

In their totality and in their interactions, these phenomena do constitute a common threat which demands solidarity of all peoples, but in designating them as the enemy, we fall into the trap about which we have already warned, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.

The real enemy then is humanity itself.

[king]

Alan Watt has talked about this before. He mentioned the fact that the Club of Rome (mp3 (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_CrisisCreationClubOfRome_May302007 .mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_CrisisCreationClubOfRome_May302007 .html)) discussed the threat of aliens as a common enemy to unite humanity, and that they decided on something else. This is from their own publication The First Global Revolution - taken from the transcript:

I think that they are holding UFO agenda as a "backup" but they are keeping it alive by feeding more and more "info" on UFOs, and they are doing this because many people have wised up on this alien invasion scam, therefore, globalists are now pushing Global Warming scam as a forefront agenda.
Afterall, ever changing weather is more believable to more people, especially when people by themselves notice that weather is changing and i will not even go into manipulation of "facts" presented by the media.

and of course, average Joe is so clueless as what is the real level of advanced technology, so when you tell them about chemtrails, HAARP, scalar waves and other methods that can control the climate/alter weather patterns (amongst other things) they will look at you as if you just came from Mars and you talk Martian!


Watt's information on RIIA's book is a very important piece of evidence. I wish I can find that book somewhere, because -- that would be the best proof of their scam.

[davidbarstis]

I was long into the UFO stuff when I was a teenager and now I agree, I think it was government controled. I think most UFO's or maybe all, are man made. But the reptile thing is something different and I rarely came across the theme in UFOlogy except for being named as one of many alien races visiting Earth. There is modern and ancient accounts of reptile beings, plain and simple. There is more to it. I don't know what it is, but I am certainly open to what Icke and MANY others say. Whoever says they cannot exist, is ignorant. Thats my view. By ignorant, I mean pretending you know something you have not done the research on and thinking you have all the facts. If one feels insulted by that, too bad. It's a choice to be ignorant. you weren't born that way. Get over it and open your mind.

[matrixcutter]

Watt's information on RIIA's book is a very important piece of evidence. I wish I can find that book somewhere, because -- that would be the best proof of their scam.
May 4, 2007 Alan Watt Blurb
"Great Britain, Embryo of World Government - 1938 Report From Royal Institute of International Affairs' Global Meeting (mp3)" (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_GreatBritainEmbryoOfWorldGovernmen t_May042007.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_GreatBritainEmbryoOfWorldGovernmen t_May042007_M.html)


Then there's the one in which he reads from Quigley's Tragedy and Hope:
November 9, 2006 Alan Watt Blurb
"Brigands, Bankers, and Bagmen (Royal Institute for International Affairs / CFR) (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/audio/Alan_Watt_Blurb_BrigandsBankersInternationalAffair s_Nov092006.mp3)" - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_BrigandsBankersInternationalAffair s_Nov092006.html)

[adimon]

What an extraordinary man you are.

What a great man we are in the mist of!

Please someone e-mail Mr Icke to immediately get to Wales
so that he can sit at the feet of Mr Adimon to learn more.

Also can I suggest, you read lottie's reply to your question -
where you might grasp a little bit of wisdom ( most of us don't
know, but we are open-mined to all possibilites) - and hopefully
a little bit of humility in the face of the awesome universe we live
in:

Well, it's been well demonstrated (in this thread alone) that anyone who takes a diametrically opposed standpoint to you is to be accused of ignorance, stupidity, not having done any research, or the right research.

My current thought is that, as you take the opposite view to me, then I could just easily say "How is this seanx so smart as to say that cave-paintings and small, scattered testimony is strong evidence that reptilians exist? What a great man we're in the midst of...someone contact Mr. Icke immediately and tell him he's got competition. Such excellently conducted debate, always discusses the matter in hand, doesn't resort to personal attack at all. What a legend."

[eternal_spirit]

Adimon wrote:


What an extraordinary man you are.

We know there are literally billions of planets out there in the
universe.

And when you add to that the probable INFINITEnumber
of dimensions that co-exist even where you are sitting now -
yet Mr. Adimon with his obviously infinitely superior intelligence
can tell us without doubt: 'Yes I can. Reptilians
do not exist'.

We are a tiny, tiny, tiny speck in the infinite multi-universe
within other infinite multi-universes - yet our friend
can tell us categorically that such things don't exist.

What a great man we are in the mist of!

Please someone e-mail Mr Icke to immediately get to Wales
so that he can sit at the feet of Mr Adimon to learn more.

Also can I suggest, you read lottie's reply to your question -
where you might grasp a little bit of wisdom ( most of us don't
know, but we are open-mined to all possibilites) - and hopefully
a little bit of humility in the face of the awesome universe we live
in:

.................

Lmao, Absolute classic.
:D