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[mynameis]

This is bull crap, being fat is a genetic epi-gene trait. :mad:

Parents of fat children to get warning letter from the government

AMAR SINGH
UK Daily Mail
Monday October 22, 2007

Parents of clinically obese five-year-olds will be sent warning letters under a new government scheme.

The notifications will be part of a tough new stance to tackle rising levels of obesity, following a national initiative to weigh all children in schools.

Ministers including Health Secretary Alan Johnson are preparing to face accusations of stigmatising fat children over the plan but believe it is in the children's best interest if a problem is formally brought to the attention of their parents.

The Government has made children the focus of its plans to tackle obesity amid fears that the problem is growing into an epidemic.

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Regular weighing of primary school children in England and Wales was reintroduced two years ago to identify regional and national trends.

According to the most recent statistics, more than 25 per cent of pre-school children are now overweight.

The number of obese children in Britain has doubled since 1982.

More than 80 per cent of obese 10 to 14-year-olds remain obese into adulthood.

A recent government report warned that obesity could affect more than half the population by 2050, costing the economy more than £45 billion.

The report, Tackling Obesities: Future Choices, predicted that just 10 per cent of men and 15 per cent of women were expected to be of a "healthy" weight by 2050 if current trends continue.

It also concluded that humans had not adapted to cheap high-energy foods and labour-saving devices.

A study by the Commons health select committee went one step further and suggested that a generation of children would die before their parents unless urgent action was taken.

A Department of Health spokesman said: "The programme is a vital part of engaging with children and families about healthy lifestyles and weight issues.

"We need to take this farther and help parents to understand the importance of healthy weight for their family."

The move could go some way to appeasing an influential charity which last week accused the Government of shying away from tough targets on obesity.

The British Heart Foundation said ministers had set "soft, distant goals".

Peter Hollins, chief executive of the charity, said: "We want to see changes by 2010. The Prime Minister needs to be braver than his predecessor and show the country he has the bottle to rein in the pervasive influence of the food industry over our children's eating habits."

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[smariot]

I think you put too much faith in your genes. I'd be more willing to think it's because they learn how and what to eat from their parents (they probably have no choice but to eat whatever their fat parents are eating), and chemicals like MSG and aspartame, which will damage your hypothalamus and cause you to over produce insulin, which will cause you to need to eat more to maintain your blood sugar, and probably also give you diabetes.

[deca]

smokers, fattys whats next on the natzi hit list?

[quester123]

smokers, fattys whats next on the natzi hit list?

thinkers & drinkers....

[deca]

yeah its so annoying seeing this getting played out and every one saying theres nothing we can do or just think it has nothing to do with them:confused:

[adimon]

There is absolutely no excuse for being overweight. With the correct diet, sleeping patterns, exercise regime, and drinking lots of water, any person can become healthy and fit.

I can help you for free if you want to lose weight, get fit, or find out more about healthy diet etc..

I have seen one example go from 135kg to 70kg in 15 months.

[pleasuredome]

i agree that there is no excuse for obesity, especially allowing you children to become obese. however its the same old story of attacking the public again for the effects of social engineering and big business. if the government really cared, the junk that fills up most of the supermarkets in this country would be banned, and schools would have some real education on food and home economics.

[graflok]

smokers, fattys whats next on the natzi hit list?

9/11 Truthers?

[adimon]

however its the same old story of attacking the public again for the effects of social engineering and big business. if the government really cared, the junk that fills up most of the supermarkets in this country would be banned, and schools would have some real education on food and home economics.

People have a choice. It's cheaper to eat healthily, and exercise is free.

People should be encouraged to think for themselves. They don't have to eat crap! I don't.

I don't see it as an attack, but as a wake-up call/incentive to get up off the couch, bin the TV, and slip on some sneakers and go for a run!

I agree there should be better nutritional and physiological education in schools.

[pleasuredome]

People should be encouraged to think for themselves. They don't have to eat crap! I don't.

aye, that would be great. i wish they would think for themselves. but in reality the opposite happens. you cant expect people to make healthier choices if they dont understand the reasons for doing so and they have been conditioned into the habit of buying/eating the shit thats being sold.

what i'm trying to say is that its a bit rich for the PTB to allow the present situation of our food, marketing and eductation of it, but then targeting the people who are suckered in by it all. its a bit like a headmaster allowing drug dealers into a school and then blaming the pupils for becoming addicts.

[quester123]

aye, that would be great. i wish they would think for themselves. but in reality the opposite happens. you cant expect people to make healthier choices if they dont understand the reasons for doing so and they have been conditioned into the habit of buying/eating the shit thats being sold.

what i'm trying to say is that its a bit rich for the PTB to allow the present situation of our food, marketing and eductation of it, but then targeting the people who are suckered in by it all. its a bit like a headmaster allowing drug dealers into a school and then blaming the pupils for becoming addicts.

Precisely ! pleasuredome Here's a perfect example of what is really occurring in British schools:


[URL="http://www.leavethemkidsalone.com/"]
Publicservantdaily::eek:

The government has warned a school its policy of 'no fingerprints no food' could be illegal.

In a statement to the BBC's You and Yours programme on Radio 4, the Department for Education and Skills (DfES) said schools who refused dinner to children who did not supply their fingerprints could be breaking the law.

Yet, The Register reported that the DfES contradicted itself in overdue guidance published in the summer.

A pupil attending Morley High Schools in Leeds has been forced to bring in packed lunches because the school provided no alternative way for the pupil to get school dinners.

Speaking to the You and Yours show, the school's headteacher, John Townsley, said they had offered parents an opt-out.

“The opt out is that you don't have to have anything to do with the system whatsoever and that you then have the responsibility as a mum, dad or carer to provide a very healthy alternative to your child," he said.

The DfES's guidance does state that schools would be left to sort out their own systems and whether or not they would let parents receive school meals by an alternative method.

After hearing the DfES's response, Townsley said the school would then change its policy so that any child would have access to school dinners, even if they refuse to give their fingerprints.

Schools minister Jim Knight said on the programme that reports in the media about school fingerprinting "need to be less paranoid".

"The technology is being introduced with a lot of care. Those schools that are offering should be explaining that to parents and hopefully then they can be introduced with consent," he said.

Earlier DfES guidance said that schools did not have to seek permission from the parents for scanning their child's fingerprints - they merely needed to involve parents in their decisions.

YOUR SAY
I would hate it if my children were routinely fingerprinted, it assumes they have criminal intent.
Claire Rogers

I would just like to clarify that there was more than one child at Morley High school, who were previously on school dinners prior to the introduction of the biometric system.

The children who refused to be fingerprinted and photographed have been forced onto packed lunches because no option was offered. As of 15/10/2007 the parents are indeed still waiting to hear of an alternative solution.

I would also like to clarify that the children who were on packed lunches and have absolutely no desire to obtain a school meal whatsoever were also routinely photographed and fingerprinted without parental consent
Concerned Parent

My child was not fingerprinted at school and can no longer have school meals something he has done for the past two years. I have spoken to the school about an alternative and nothing was forthcoming.

I was also informed by a third party that when asked about a swipe card alternative the cards would be £50. I have spoken to cunninghams at length about the system and the cards cost £1.25 from them and schools normally charge between £4/£5 pounds for a lost card not the initial first card which is free.

Cunninghams also advocate that the school give at least four weeks notice for parents to get used to the idea and give parents plenty of time to ask questions and alleviate any concerns. Even the company who make the software advocate giving parents plenty of notice and giving parents who wish to opt out an alternative for their children. The software company called this"responsable parenting".

I would like to know why J T of Morley High has chosen to ignore all recommendations given to him? And when is he going to abide by the law and give our children an alternative for a hot lunch? Does the man want a legal battle?I
Mrs Jones - Leeds


"Schools minister Jim Knight said on the programme that reports in the media about school fingerprinting "need to be less paranoid"."

...mmm...what Jim Knight and the schools fail to tell parents and students is that the police, according to David Smith, Deputy Information Commissioner can access these biometric fingerprint databases to help solve crimes WITHOUT parents or pupils knowledge.

Under interview in parliament in May this year David Smith stated after being asked about police accessing school biometric databases:

"At the moment the test is with the school. The police make an access request. The school looks at: "Would we breach the Data Protection Act if we respond to the police?" If they can say that not giving the information would be likely to prejudice prevention or detection of crime and does not say a level of crime, or the apprehension or prosecution of an offender, then they can give that information without breaching the Act. A low level of crime would justify that. The information might be of limited use to them because of the way it is stored. Those fingerprint systems in schools would not necessarily be compatible with the way that the police use it. But the test is fairly low.

Then asked by Gwyn Prosser: Would the school or library have to inform the youngster or the parent?

Mr Smith: They would not have to, although we would recommend as part of good data protection practice that they do notify people, unless doing so would essentially be a tip-off which would harm the police investigation.
Another concerned parent - Yorkshire >>

[thisisactuallymyluciddream]

People have a choice. It's cheaper to eat healthily, and exercise is free.

I agree people do have a choice and excercise is free. Going out for a walk for an hour everyday or spending time doing yard work is enough to at least get your blood flowing and you do feel better at the end of the day. I do not agree that eating healthy is cheaper at all. I have been eating healthy and trying to eat balanced meals each and everyday for over a year now and it has taken a toll on my bank account. Not saying it isn't worth it, but there is a market out there for fast food and crap because the more people eat this stuff, the lazier they get physically and sometimes mentally.

[klinker]

A reporter from a local weekly paper approached me on my lunch break a few weeks ago asking me if I thought parents who let their kids become obese were guilty of child abuse. Pissed me off straight away so I encouraged him to go ask the next family who comes along with obese kids the same question and see how long it is before he's picking his nose up off the floor. Wanker.

Responsibility is one thing yeah but child abuse? The mere suggestion is ridiculous.

:mad:

[adimon]

you cant expect people to make healthier choices if they dont understand the reasons for doing so and they have been conditioned into the habit of buying/eating the shit thats being sold.

I've already said I agree there should be more education on the issue, but a five year old being overweight is for me more to do with bad parenting. I'm sorry if my opinion offends anyone, but it really isn't difficult or expensive to provide a decent healthy diet for a young child. I'm sure the parents on this site are excellent, and I'm sure they're probably far more sound than the kind of people who are in question.

what i'm trying to say is that its a bit rich for the PTB to allow the present situation of our food, marketing and eductation of it, but then targeting the people who are suckered in by it all. its a bit like a headmaster allowing drug dealers into a school and then blaming the pupils for becoming addicts.

People shouldn't be suckers. There should be more education, and more effort - i.e. less apathy. More switched on people are better parents. I don't accept your drug dealer in a school analogy, though I take your point. Through word of mouth, I think consumerism will plateau and fall off, provided the markets stay free.

Choice is a means not an end in my opinion.

[adimon]

I agree people do have a choice and excercise is free. Going out for a walk for an hour everyday or spending time doing yard work is enough to at least get your blood flowing and you do feel better at the end of the day. I do not agree that eating healthy is cheaper at all. I have been eating healthy and trying to eat balanced meals each and everyday for over a year now and it has taken a toll on my bank account. Not saying it isn't worth it, but there is a market out there for fast food and crap because the more people eat this stuff, the lazier they get physically and sometimes mentally.

Are you cooking for yourself, a couple or a family? Where do you live (roughly) ? I can maybe help you with a couple of suggestions as to how you could save?

There are lots of ways to get yourself reduced price food for example. Cash and carry's are a great place to get ingredients, staples, condiments etc..

There are lots of services and products for which coupons or discount schemes are available as well.

If you want a couple of tips let me know :)

[deca]

I hate taken my kid shopping all the shit food has cartoons on them or toys and junk to attract there attention, once they have spotted them hard to make your
child to chose something better for them.

[anoninnyc]

i agree that there is no excuse for obesity, especially allowing you children to become obese. however its the same old story of attacking the public again for the effects of social engineering and big business. if the government really cared, the junk that fills up most of the supermarkets in this country would be banned, and schools would have some real education on food and home economics.

well said. the problems are school lunches which are very unhealthy, they even have sodas you can buy; advertisements for fast food; and parents who are too busy or just don't care.

[deca]

Who has kids here?

[thisisactuallymyluciddream]

Are you cooking for yourself, a couple or a family? Where do you live (roughly) ? I can maybe help you with a couple of suggestions as to how you could save?

There are lots of ways to get yourself reduced price food for example. Cash and carry's are a great place to get ingredients, staples, condiments etc..

There are lots of services and products for which coupons or discount schemes are available as well.

If you want a couple of tips let me know :)

I am cooking for myself and that is a huge part of it being costly. I live in BC and buying organic has become a trend more than anything, you never really know what you are getting in the first place unless you are straight away at a farmer's market. I would like some tips if you are willing.

[vera susa]

Who has kids here?

Me, all adult now and not a fatty in the household.

As kids they used to think we were mean not having a house stocked with Coke, chips and bickies 'like all their friends', but 'junk food' was never 'banned' either, Pizza and Chips on Fridays was a fun pig out, because there was always a pot of some sort of, made from scratch wog food (gristle free stews and Real chicken and vegie soups etc.), going as well, and I baked treats that would be devoured so quickly they'd have enough of 'sweets' for weeks, oh, and carob and date 'rum'balls, always a good 'sweet substitute' of food.

But with school, Lunch was really just snack time (kids get too wound up to sit and digest heavy meals anyway), of quick and easy to scoff favourites like VEGIMITE sangers, and grapes or whatever was favoured at the time, because breakfast would also be big bowls of wog food, and then a big pig out as soon as they got home, and a late dinner that would leave them ready to sleep.

But being cold climate farm kids, they were also encouraged to feed themselves if hungry, which could be eating half a watermelon at a sitting
or some french toast, or whatever was in the pot in the fridge.

We just never made food a reward or worse still a torture of forcing them to eat unpalatable 'meals', but allowed for personal tastes, knowing we all have individual body chemistries, we instinctively seek to satisfy.

And now, they still love their vegies and 'real food' to the point where 'special occasion' chocolates and lollies are often left forgotten in the cupboards.

Plus we aren't 'Diet Nazis', we go with the flow which means if being too busy to cook, things like Chinese with lots of meat and veg. is a favourite option,
and if Dim Sims and potato cakes where all on offer, when on the road, hey, it's still food and better than lollies;

But as far as the rise of Fatties...VACCINATIONS, NO DOUBT...but that's a whole other huge topic!

But here a hint;
AUTISM being linked to GUT DAMAGE from VACCINES;

remember how it was the spoiled house dog in the neighbourhood that would be FAT, the only one that someone 'cared' to VACCINATE, but now we have FAT DOGS everywhere;

now look at those FOOD and WATER POOR 3rd world people who ARE NOW FAT, and NOW also VACCINATED...but still STARVING!

What about all the skinny VACCINATED people? You ask.
Different "Batches" for different populations, simple.

[adimon]

I am cooking for myself and that is a huge part of it being costly. I live in BC and buying organic has become a trend more than anything, you never really know what you are getting in the first place unless you are straight away at a farmer's market. I would like some tips if you are willing.

I used to live in Canada, but I'm afraid I haven't been there in years, and am out of touch with the consumer world there sorry. I'm guessing from what you said that BC may not be as easy as UK to eat healthily.

The only generic tips I can give you are on diet - how much to eat, what to eat, and when...from that I think you would be surprised at how little 'volume' you need to eat but it also depends on a couple of other factors. Are you M/F? Age group? How much and what kind of exercise do you do? Sorry to ask so many questions, but if you want to answer, I can give you some tips which COULD change your life. Have a good day :)

[lottie]

When i went to America i had lost loads of weight and was actually looking very good- i travelled America for 4 weeks with my mate and the one thing we found was that it was far cheaper to buy fast food and crap than anything healthy, down in Key West it was extaustionate for even an apple!! Needless to say we came back from America about a stone heavier that when we left the UK!!! LOL!!! Of course no-one forced us to eat shit but we were short of cash and needed to eat whilst there!!

I could do with a few tips adimon!:D;)

[klinker]

I've been studying nutrition, and exercise for many years. Getting rid of excess bodyfat is easy. Seriously. There is no rocket science involved yet there is so much disinfo out there it's no wonder people are confused. Smoke and mirrors and so much bullshit on the TV about five a day this and that and whole grain goodness nonsense. It's all rubbish yet people believe it and then feel resentful when it either does not work for them or they cannot keep the bodyfat off permanently.

First and foremost it's the energy equation which is simple. If energy out is less than energy in the excess will be stored as bodyfat. The worst way to eat too many calories and the best way to get fat is from a diet rich in carbs and processed foods. A diet high in carbs is also a great way to ruin your pancreas and develop onset diabetes. It used to be called adult onset diabetes but they dropped the adult because in recent year kids as young as four are developing it with no history of diabetes in their families.

Therefore..........

1) You need to know how many calories your body requires on a daily basis. Follow the link and enter the required information. Yes you will be amazed at how few calories you actually need.

http://www.ultimatedietsecrets.com/ch4calcs.html

For example I am 6 foot and presently weigh 210 lbs and my bodyfat percentage is around 10%. Some of you might have seen a picture of me in another thread somewhere. My resting metabolic rate is only 2000 calories a day which is the energy my body will burn if I spent 24 hours horizontal on the sofa. Even when I factor in three weight sessions a week in the gym and two intense karate sessions plus three times a week walking to work with a 40 lb weight vest on I still only need around 2800 calories. If I want to burn off some extra bodyfat which I am doing now I drop my calories to 2500. I can be precise about this as I also keep a food log to record what I eat and when. I also cycle my calories so for example if I eat 3000 calories one day then the next day it will only be around 2250. I never let the body adapt. I consume no more than around 40 grams of carbs a day and I overeat one day a week which at the moment is a Saturday.

2) Reduce your carbs and processed foods. Cutting out sweets and shit like that is one thing but you will be amazed at the difference made by cutting way down on bread, potatoes, pastries and pasta/rice et cetera. YOUR BLOOD SYSTEM DOES NOT LIKE EXCESS GLUCOSE/Glycogen. Give it and your pancreas a break.

Here's an analogy. Would you put petrol in a fuel tank if the car had a diesel engine or vice versa? Nope course not. It will still run but will run like a dog.

If you understood what fuel the human body required to run efficiently then would you fuel it with anything that makes it run poorly? Of course not.

It's the same for the human body. The key ATP energy production cells in our bodies are called mitochondria. Their number one choice of fuel and the only fuel they can use with 100% efficiency is fat. Give them anything else like carbs for example and they become compromised. DON'T DO LOW FAT.

There are many bonuses to keeping carb intake low. Carbs compromise your immune system so reduce them and see how much healthier you are. This is really about inner health. Take care of it and your body will take car of you. I used to get flu at least once a year and it would wipe me out for a week plus the next two weeks getting strength back. I've barely had a cold in eight years since I took carbs out of my diet. At almost 42 I'm healthier now than when I was twenty five and having always played sports I've always been healthy or so I thought.

In the last five years I have had ten case studies where I have worked with people who have trouble shifting body fat. I don't do this for a living (I am planning to do so), these people are friends and family. Every single one of these people has succeeded where everything else has failed and they succeeded through gaining knowledge and understanding. They also never went hungry and they did not have to go to the gym to bust their guts. My approach is simple. I provide the right information. I then make a 100% promise that if you choose to use this information you will not only lose the bodyfat but you will keep it off permanently.

The most recent success is a friend of mine who back in January was a UK size 16 and for someone who is actually a petite blonde she was not carrying this very well. Not only that she was also feeling unhealthy and was getting close to having to have surgery to correct a reflux valve problem. She was living on Remegel. Since learning how the human body works and after almost ten months she has reduced her body fat and she is now smaller than a size ten. Yes a size ten. She has also gained some muscle and strength and feels fantastic. The reflux problem has also completely reversed and she understands why. She is one very happy lady.

:)

[adimon]

When i went to America i had lost loads of weight and was actually looking very good- i travelled America for 4 weeks with my mate and the one thing we found was that it was far cheaper to buy fast food and crap than anything healthy, down in Key West it was extaustionate for even an apple!! Needless to say we came back from America about a stone heavier that when we left the UK!!! LOL!!! Of course no-one forced us to eat shit but we were short of cash and needed to eat whilst there!!

I could do with a few tips adimon!:D;)

I've been studying nutrition, and exercise for many years. Getting rid of excess bodyfat is easy. Seriously.
:)

This is an excellent post by klinker. Very good outline of the main nutritional problems people are experiencing.

In addition to what klinker said, here's a link (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=159652#post159652) to some more basic advice I posted a short while ago.

Lottie - I will PM you with some advice, as well as starting a thread on exercise to get fit/burn fat so others can read.

[klinker]

This is an excellent post by klinker. Very good outline of the main nutritional problems people are experiencing.

In addition to what klinker said, here's a link (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=159652#post159652) to some more basic advice I posted a short while ago.

Lottie - I will PM you with some advice, as well as starting a thread on exercise to get fit/burn fat so others can read.

Cool. Good idea. :)