Osho cult?

[eternal_spirit]

More at this link http://www.rebelliousspirit.com/osho-webzine/103/new/message?shParentId=885

My frustration is not with Rajneesh/Osho, who is dead and long gone, but with Osho people who just cannot tell the truth and lack the higher brain function needed to even understand the value of truth. I get letters every week from Osho people, one crazier than the next. A recent e-mail suggested that Osho disciples become “spiritual terrorists” to fund a new commune with illegal and possibly violent gangster activity. If Acharya Rajneesh could see the quality of the disciples he left behind he would be even more critical of them than me!

If my Web site did not exist, how would the general public get the historical facts about Osho that the cult wants to cover up? The Web is full of phony Osho propaganda sites that simply ignore all the scandals and the history of the cult. Most of the tell-all books are out of print and hard to find. My aim has been to tell the truth and publish the facts FOR FREE on the Web.

[eternal_spirit]

Official web site

http://www.osho.com/

[eternal_spirit]

Don't trust these shills.

[tiswas]

Thanks for the link.

[rossus]

not only the osho-ashram,
but osho himself sucked as well.

the value of his teaching are below average
(i bet not many people, if anyone got enlightened thanks to him)

osho was more of a comedian than a spiritual teacher.
he also told many lies. for example.

osho claimed "Nisargadatta Maharaj" is a fool...
but Nisargadatta Maharaj is one of the best spiritual teachers that recently walked the earth, together with Ramana Maharshi.

i think.
osho did not want to help others become "enlightened",
he wanted to be the center of attention...

so he could get high on drugs & fuck his female followers...

[eternal_spirit]

I believe he died some time ago, but he has followers, who use his teachings.

[alice34]

Just found this doco - "Fear is the Master" feat Osho.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7410955115484516252

I know he was a bit of a shit, but I like Osho anyway. He had charm and honesty which I admire.

I've got a clip of him talking to a news crew and the interviewer said "Could you be considered one of the greatest con men in the world?" ( or something to that effect...)

..with a smile, Osho replied,

"Certainly".

:D

Thats my kinda guru.

[eternal_spirit]

Thanks for the vid Planetfrog. Think there was a documentary on TV years ago, thought the face looked familiar.

[anoninnyc]

never heard of osho. but i am wary of anyone from his genre...... cults, religions (just mainstream cults), self-help crap, etc.

[mr jones]

Osho's Transformation Tarot (they're not proper tarot cards)
are worth reading.

here's an example -

http://www.osho.com/magazine/tarot/picTransf/transf034Anger.jpg


The monk with the ungovernable temper


Next time you feel angry, go and run around the house seven times, and afterwards sit under a tree and watch where the anger has gone. You have not repressed it, you have not controlled it, you have not thrown it on somebody else....

Anger is just a mental vomit. There is just no need to throw it on somebody. Do a little jogging, or take a pillow and beat the pillow until your hands and teeth are relaxed. In transformation you never control, you simply become more aware. Anger is happening--it is a beautiful phenomenon, it is just like electricity in the clouds....


A Zen student came to Bankei and said, "Master, I have an ungovernable temper. How can I cure it?"
"Show me this temper," said Bankei, "it sounds fascinating."
"I haven't got it right now," said the student, "so I can't show it to you."
"Well then," said Bankei, "bring it to me when you have it."
"But I can't bring it just when I happen to have it," protested the student. "It arises unexpectedly, and I would surely lose it before I got it to you."
"In that case," said Bankei, "it cannot be part of your true nature. If it were, you could show it to me at any time. When you were born you did not have it--so it must have come to you from the outside. I suggest that whenever it gets into you, you beat yourself with a stick until the temper can't stand it and runs away."

Even while anger is happening, if you suddenly become conscious, it drops. Try it! Just in the middle, when you are very hot and would like to murder--suddenly become aware, and you will feel something has changed: a gear inside, you can feel the click, your inner being has relaxed.

It may take time for your outer layer to relax, but the inner being has already relaxed. The cooperation has broken...now you are not identified. The body will take a little time to cool down, but deep at the center everything is cool.

Awareness is needed, not condemnation--and through awareness transformation happens spontaneously. If you become aware of your anger, understanding penetrates. Just watching, with no judgment, not saying good, not saying bad, just watching in your inner sky. There is lightning, anger, you feel hot, the whole nervous system shaking and quaking, and you feel a tremor all over the body--a beautiful moment, because when energy functions you can watch it easily; when it is not functioning you cannot watch.

Close your eyes and meditate on it. Don't fight, just look at what is happening--the whole sky filled with electricity, so much lightning, so much beauty--just lie down on the ground and look at the sky and watch. Then do the same inside. Somebody has insulted you, somebody has laughed at you, somebody has said this or that... many clouds, dark clouds in the inner sky and much lightning. Watch!

It is a beautiful scene--terrible also, because you don't understand. It is mysterious, and if mystery is not understood it becomes terrible, you are afraid of it. And whenever a mystery is understood, it becomes a grace, a gift, because now you have the keys--and with keys you are the master.

[seanx]

Osho wrote some great books especially on sex.

And unlike all the other gurus like Nisargadatta Maharaj , who
virually hid away and lived in caves and 'denyed' the body -
Osho ideas FULLY embraced the body and sex.

And he has a point.

His idea is: Don't repress sex. If you want to have sex -
have lots and lots of it - and you'll see outgrow it and see
that the pleasure of sexual orgasm is only a taste of what is
possible when you can consciously transcend sex.

Once he made the point - that everytime a priest came to him -
they always wanted to talk about sex.

Whereas, for a prostitute - it is the last thing on her mind.

It's like a child with choclate. Don't stop him from enjoying it.
He'll want it even more. It will make the choclate even more
special and alluring.

Osho method: Let the child eat ALL the choclate he wants -
and then MORE!

And he'll soon get over the 'allure' of choclate - and see that it is
not the way to happiness.

But Osho's idea on sex scadalized all the churches and conservative
American society at the time - and thus all the stories and rumours
about him started.

Also he had hundreds of the best cars.

And WHY not?

He knew that reality was whatever you felt it to be. There was no
scarcity unless you believed there was - and then there was
scarcity for you.

But that does not mean that scarcity is the norn. It's just
a negative conditioned religious view of the world.

And he smashed the biggest CON of all: the IDEA that there was
something inherently 'good' or 'spiritual' about poverty.

That if you were poor, somehow you were better, or 'holier' than
others.

No.

All it meant is that you didn't understand the true nature of
reality. And had been conned by Christian idealogy.

[eternal_spirit]

Osho's followers, judging by the video and what I've read seemed to be Westerners who wanted to learn about Eastern Mysticism. I think it's a load of brainwashing and he was another Charlatan and wanted their money and maybe more.

[informationx]

Dont fear the OSHO! lol

Ive found him to be one of the most lucid, and brilliant speakers on the subject of spirituality.

The point is not to identify any worthwhile teachings you find with him. Rather identify with the wisdom of the teaching, not the teacher. Who cares if he had rolls Royce's, took drugs, or screwed lots of women.

If his words opened up new ideas for you, so be it.

Lets say you come across a drunk rolling around in an alley way. He just happens to murmur to you the most insightful words you have ever heard.

The next day a man with a posh voice in a nice suit says some other profoundly deep words, which resonate with you.

In each case, it wasn't the character of the person which was important. It was what they said. The fact that one had x amount of material wealth, and the other had y has no real bearing on wisdom.

This is the way I see it.

Cheers!

[damagedbrainn]

I love Osho.

OSHO: Absolutely Free to Be Funny - YouTube

'Nuff said.

[eternal_spirit]

Just found this doco - "Fear is the Master" feat Osho.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7410955115484516252


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Watched part of this video ( there are screaming voices way to loud that keep appearing that sound in pain, although I believe this was a way to de stress and part of the psychological teachings and methods to re arange a personality and brainwash and control. I couldn't watch and listen to the screams for any longer) and that was enough to convince me, this was another mind controlled cult.

The people where told and did have sex with any other cult member, regardless of physical attraction, sexuality or age. Including rape, sexual diseases and many abortions. He's another one promoting that you should stop thinking
for yourself.

There is no hope for some of you people. If you think his guy can offer you enlightenment.

[blue]

has any one visited rajneesh ashram or heard about it. i heard that the followers in the ashram dont wear any clothes when in the ashram...:D:D:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

It's said he was poisoned by the Intelligence agencies. So that is enough to make him hero too many. This could easily be pro propaganda, too promote him as one of the good guys. In reality do we really know how he died. Could of even been one of his followers who offed him?

[eternal_spirit]

has any one visited rajneesh ashram or heard about it. i heard that the followers in the ashram dont wear any clothes when in the ashram...:D:D:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Look all these Gurus are the same with different names. Sex is used to draw people into their brainwashing scams.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Show me a guru who wears a watch that nice, and I'll show you a con-man at the same time.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.tantrika.nl/logmorgenlach/mazuma/osho_eyes.jpg

I wouldn't wan't to be in a room with this man.

So tell me, keep it short. Explain in plain English, no psycho babble, how and what has this man done for you?

[eternal_spirit]

Show me a guru who wears a watch that nice, and I'll show you a con-man at the same time.


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I agree, seems most of his followers where well off westerners. Coincidence? I think not.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

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I agree, seems most of his followers where well off westerners. Coincidence? I think not.

Mental Truths I have taken to heart.

A "philosopher" is a person that points out the obvious, to those who can not see the obvious.

A "pscyhologist" is someone who helps someone become aware of the fact that they exist.

A "guru" is someone who thinks they know what's after death.

A "priest(anyone that has to do with "legal religions")" is a person who will abuse you to believe what's after death.

A guy living in the woods, is someone you probably should speak with some time.

And just to let you know, I wear a 350 euro watch. Don't believe a word I say. ;)

[caleb]

Osho Cult? or Icke Cult?

[eternal_spirit]

A guy living in the woods, is someone you probably should speak with some time.

And just to let you know, I wear a 350 euro watch. Don't believe a word I say. ;)

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I am that guy who lives in the woods lol I talk to myself.

Haha, I believe you. I don't wear a watch, I'm so out of sync with society and the system, time has lost it's relevance too me. You can trust me! :rolleyes:

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

..................

I am that guy who lives in the woods lol I talk to myself.

Haha, I believe you. I don't wear a watch, I'm so out of sync with society and the system, time has lost it's relevance too me. You can trust me! :rolleyes:

Aiy, then we should have a drink together some time... Or something..

The watch was a gift, btw. So no, I'm not obessed with brands and such.

But you can't deny Prada Homme has some very nice stuff.

Anyways, back on topic.
I'm sorry, maybe the guy was a fake, but in regard to "gurus" and such, I quote The Insider:
If your father asks you for a glass of water, take it to him to show him that you care? Or do you get the glass of water, and take it to your neighbor and ask them what your father was really asking you?

To me, that makes perfect sense. Yes, there is a fundemental truth, but that does not mean the way you get there, or your purpose in life is the same as everyone else, so who's to tell you what the rules are?

[eternal_spirit]

I love Osho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otGQqO2TYMI

'Nuff said.

................

Some stunt he pulls, hardly a blink of the eyes for ten mins. A sign of the expert hypnotist.

[damagedbrainn]

................

Some stunt he pulls, hardly a blink of the eyes for ten mins. A sign of the expert hypnotist.

Were you hypnotized?

[informationx]

There is no hope for some of you people. If you think his guy can offer you enlightenment.

I think you are making far to many assumptions. No one in this thread has said that they think OSHO can offer them enlightenment.

If enlightenment exists at all, it seems it would be almost impossible for another person to "give it" to you. It seems the process is about uncovering and discovering the self behind the EGO and the personality complex.

Because the self already is there (hidden if you like), it cant be given - because you already have it.

I see OSHO as an explorer in consciousness. Someone who has travelled in this area, and come back with insights and thoughts. A good teacher acts as a pointer of the way and not the giver.

wisdom = wisdom. Wise words from the richest man in the world, or the poorest are still wise words. For me spirituality or enlightenment does not depended on the lack of material wealth.

Its a process of discovery and a journey.


If OSHO's "followers" have identified him as some "jesus" character they have completely missed the point. From what ive seen of OSHO he wanted people to think for themselves. Thats why he declared that "God has never been born" - he saw religion as a veil, which restricted people from their own thoughts.

The point with all these type of people - OSHO, ICKE, etc - is to look at what they say - examine it for yourself - and see if its valid for your view of the world. Use them as a tool, but dont be bound by them.

All the best

IX

[alice34]

http://www.tantrika.nl/logmorgenlach/mazuma/osho_eyes.jpg

I wouldn't wan't to be in a room with this man.

So tell me, keep it short. Explain in plain English, no psycho babble, how and what has this man done for you?

Studying what little of him I have, has helped me question my beliefs, and most importantly, helped me see humour.

Osho is a controversial character - because that was was part of his teaching. Somewhere on Youtube there's a video addressing this issue - specifically with regards to his relationship to "paradox" and contradiction. He LOVES contradiction.....

He wanted to challenge you, piss you off, make you question.

If you get caught up in an absolute dualistic battle about whether Osho was "good" or "bad", you have missed the point eternal_spirit.

With all due respect, by falling into that trap - you are closer to being a member of his cult than I...

..do you see what I'm saying?

- He's challenging you....& you're biting the bait..

..its theatre..

:)

( & what isnt?! )

[chandrakavi]

http://www.tantrika.nl/logmorgenlach/mazuma/osho_eyes.jpg

I wouldn't wan't to be in a room with this man.

So tell me, keep it short. Explain in plain English, no psycho babble, how and what has this man done for you?


What makes you think Osho would want to be in the same room with you?
are you that "special"?

You seem to ask the same questions in the thread of Eckhardt Tolle,
definetly you don't understand the Master-Disciple relation, it is a Love affair,
for your inner being.

Another thing the word CULT. Cult means the meeting of a Master and and small group of disciples. For example, Jesus and the 12 disciples,
13 cats. Later an organized religion is made and today they are thousands
maybe more.

Buddha and his disciples, same story. And so on in all organized religions,
they all started as CULTS.

And centuries later they become part of the establishment.

ALL religions begin as CULTS

If you like the establishment that is fine, if you want to go further,
without any organized religion, christianity and many others organized religions,
you have to pay attention while they are alive, not what is manipulated
later. You can take or leave some stuff. But to be in a Real master disciple relation you need to surrender your ego, or else you will still be in the establishment manipulated by the Illuminati.
And above all take the wisdom of the Master, and apply it to your every day life. Meditations. Don't make it a movement, although in time it will end up so, but that is never a Master's idea.
So choose , learn, and apply. It has to be your personal experience.

Osho loved controversy, so you will get a lot of that from him,(ifyou read his books, or listen to his talks )
finally you will have to make your own decision on existential things.
If you don't care about existential meaning of life, where Spiritual Masters have an answer, then I can understand your establishment minded posts. Many go through that phase, and it is normal.

[eternal_spirit]

Take want you wan't from him, if it feels right...drop the rest.

Tolle is another shill who tells you nothing.

[eternal_spirit]

See you need to realise the Establishment sets up these so called alternative Gurus, cults and groups.

[eternal_spirit]

As for Ego, seems to me that the ones on here go on about it are the o:rolleyes:nes with the biggest egos.

[mr jones]

lol. even ego denial is still ego

[seanx]

I think you are making far to many assumptions. No one in this thread has said that they think OSHO can offer them enlightenment.

If enlightenment exists at all, it seems it would be almost impossible for another person to "give it" to you. It seems the process is about uncovering and discovering the self behind the EGO and the personality complex.

Because the self already is there (hidden if you like), it cant be given - because you already have it.

I see OSHO as an explorer in consciousness. Someone who has travelled in this area, and come back with insights and thoughts. A good teacher acts as a pointer of the way and not the giver.

wisdom = wisdom. Wise words from the richest man in the world, or the poorest are still wise words. For me spirituality or enlightenment does not depended on the lack of material wealth.

Its a process of discovery and a journey.


If OSHO's "followers" have identified him as some "jesus" character they have completely missed the point. From what ive seen of OSHO he wanted people to think for themselves. Thats why he declared that "God has never been born" - he saw religion as a veil, which restricted people from their own thoughts.

The point with all these type of people - OSHO, ICKE, etc - is to look at what they say - examine it for yourself - and see if its valid for your view of the world. Use them as a tool, but dont be bound by them.

All the best

Excellent post, informationx

And planetfrog


But it is wasted on these guys.

And I bet you none of them has EVER actually READ
one of Osho's book.

They just read others people's opinions on the
subject that litter the internet.

Read the books yourselves, lads-- and make up your OWN minds.

Yes, there were many things strange and suspicious things
about Osho, especially near the end of his life - but his books
are well worth reading.

However, one requirement is an open mind- which, sadly
is in short supply here from a lot of posters .

It's much easier to be negative and criticize.

[edit]

lol. even ego denial is still ego
Is there something which exists and is not ego ?
http://hopf.chem.brandeis.edu/yanglingfa/pattern/cgle/subBif.jpg
btw.. eternal spirit has a very nice peasfull looks, today .

:D

[king]

on old Icke's forum someone posted about Osho.
A few of us did a bit of research on this controversial dude and we pointed out that Osho was more of delusioned cult leader than anything else.

you do not even have to go very deep to expose Osho.

[edit]

Read the books yourselves, lads-- and make up your OWN minds.
Reeed de bbbb u xxx your-cell-fis,(a-h), lead s-- aend -makkke aaapp your OWN minds.

Ginzburg-Landau equation

A reaction-diffusion (RD) system,

http://hopf.chem.brandeis.edu/yanglingfa/pattern/cgle/rd.GIF

where the concentration c depends on the spatial position vector r and time t,
and D is
a diffusion
matrix. (http://hopf.chem.brandeis.edu/yanglingfa/pattern/cgle/index.html)
oh...i just like this 4mula.......ah

[seanx]

on old Icke's forum someone posted about Osho.
A few of us did a bit of research on this controversial dude and we pointed out that Osho was more of delusioned cult leader than anything else.

You did your research...i.e. you collected and filed other people's opinions and views.

Here's a novel idea: Why not read the books yourself and create
your own original thoughts.

Just a suggestion.

[rossus]

You did your research...i.e. you collected and filed other people's opinions and views.

Here's a novel idea: Why not read the books yourself and create
your own original thoughts.

Just a suggestion.
i read one of his book,
read some of his stuff online,
watched a couple of his videos.

osho doesn't speak total bullshit,
there is truth in what he says.

but he mixes truth with lies.
and this is why Osho sucks.

he tells people what they want to hear, so he would get popular.
he tells people lies so they would not find out that he is a fake.

one example of these lies is tell Nisargadatta is an idiot,
while nisargadatta is way "more enlightened" than Osho.

osho don't like people going to better teachers than him,
because they might realize their true-self,
and then no longer be fooled by osho's "useful lies".

"What you tell them is true, but what I tell them (the useful lies) is good for them." - Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, Poona, India, 1975

this proves that the main concern of osho and his clan,
was not helping others become as happy as possible....
but the main concern was Money and Power...
so he could support his Drughabit and have lot of Sex with followers and live like a Greek King.

osho takes a little truth,
so people can have a taste of enlightenment and they will trust him....
and then he mix the truth with lies...

to make people dependent on him (which in turn generates a lot of money)

Rajneesh often asked women half his age to strip in front of him so that he could "feel their chakras." To facilitate this practice, he installed an electric lock on his bedroom door that could be activated from a button on his desk. Rajneesh groped the breasts of two of my women friends and "felt the chakras" of a third. I soon began to realize that like so many other girl grabbing Indian gurus who had made the headlines, Rajneesh on the human level was just an ordinary sexually immature Indian male. My lady friend who suffered the chakra feeling incident was so put off that she never came back to see him again. He had told her "Don't worry. You are mine now." That grasping statement had chilled her as much as the sexual advance. The young woman was a student of Indian music and had previously been sexually exploited by a famous Indian musician. She knew first hand what many Indian men were like. Rajneesh proved himself to be predictably and disappointingly the same.

After Rajneesh started having sexual intercourse on a regular basis, the spiritual need for him to "feel the chakras" of his female disciples mysteriously vanished. Rajneesh rationalized having sex with his female disciples by claiming that the act would bless them so much that they would become enlightened in some future lifetime. His admission years later that there is no such thing as reincarnation made his sexual rationalizations appear even more ridiculous and self-serving.
I don't think Osho was as big of an asshole as Sai-Baba (pedophile), but he is still a fraud.
if you want some intellectual entertainment, he may just what you are looking for.

but if you are serious about enlightenment, you are better off without Osho.

Personally I think Gangaji is a good spiritual teacher for getting into it,
and later on move to Nisargadatta or Ramana Maharshi (Maharshi's stuff i've not read but he's got a really good reputation)

[eternal_spirit]

Reeed de bbbb u xxx your-cell-fis,(a-h), lead s-- aend -makkke aaapp your OWN minds.

Ginzburg-Landau equation

A reaction-diffusion (RD) system,

http://hopf.chem.brandeis.edu/yanglingfa/pattern/cgle/rd.GIF

where the concentration c depends on the spatial position vector r and time t,
and D is
a diffusion
matrix. (http://hopf.chem.brandeis.edu/yanglingfa/pattern/cgle/index.html)
oh...i just like this 4mula.......ah



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Enjoying those pics by the child prodigy Akiane from the link. :) Thanks.

[megafish33]

I think his philosophies were a load of... but I love the guy!

Best video ever. lol

[king]

You did your research...i.e. you collected and filed other people's opinions and views.

Here's a novel idea: Why not read the books yourself and create
your own original thoughts.

Just a suggestion.

because... then I'd be an idiot believing a conman and a criminal, a fraud.

BTW, after reading your post I just was thinking of those posters who are just pests to those of us who do not accept that what is written in books by some self proclaimed expert is an absolute truth. Coincidence, maybe?

or, maybe i should take everything from every hack's book as absolute truth like some people here do?
why should i even consider what someone involved with a runaway cult in which there was poisoning, arson, wiretapping, and attempted murder has to say?
Wouldn't the fact that i read about raise and fall of Osho be good enough to prove that he lost whatever he had, he self destructed, the fame killed him. he lost it. so, why oh why would ANYONE after knowing the facts even consider that what Osho was blabbing about is based on any solid ground?
http://home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html
Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



why would a spiritual man need shitload of Rolls Royces -- is he gonna drive them to another world?
why would a spiritual man need to live exploiting his followers?
why would his compound have such a high rate of crime and other problems?
for someone who wrote The Book of Wisdom he lived a very unwise life.
"do as i say, not as i do"
that should be a hint for those who can think for themselves.


may i suggest that you work on your logic unit a bit, it seems to be malfunctioning.


here is only a small part of who Osho really was:




In mid-1981, Osho went to the United States in search of better medical care (he suffered from asthma, diabetes and severe back problems). After a brief spell in Montclair, New Jersey,[32] his followers bought (for US$6 million) a 64,000 acre (260 km²) ranch in Wasco County, Oregon, previously known as "The Big Muddy", where they settled for the next four years and legally incorporated a city named Rajneeshpuram.

Osho stayed in Rajneeshpuram as the commune's guest, living in a modest home with an indoor swimming pool. Over the coming years, he acquired fame for the large number of Rolls-Royces[33] his followers bought for his use.



Increasing conflicts with neighbours and the state of Oregon,[35] as well as serious and criminal misconduct by the commune's management (including conspiracy to murder public officials, wiretapping within the commune, the attempted murder of Osho's personal physician, and a bioterrorism attack on the citizens of The Dalles, Oregon, using salmonella),[36] made the position of the Oregon commune untenable. When the commune's management team who were guilty of these crimes left the U.S. in September 1985, fleeing for Europe, Osho convened a press conference and called on the authorities to undertake an investigation.[35] This eventually led to the conviction of Sheela and several of her lieutenants.[37] Although Osho himself was not implicated in these crimes,[37] his reputation suffered tremendously, especially in the West.[38]

In late October 1985, Osho was arrested in North Carolina as he was allegedly fleeing the U.S. Accused of minor immigration violations, Osho, on advice of his lawyers, entered an "Alford plea" – through which a suspect does not admit guilt, but does concede there is enough evidence to convict him – and was given a suspended sentence on condition that he leave the country.[37]


nice spiritual man huh?




My frustration is not with Rajneesh/Osho, who is dead and long gone, but with Osho people who just cannot tell the truth and lack the higher brain function needed to even understand the value of truth. I get letters every week from Osho people, one crazier than the next. A recent e-mail suggested that Osho disciples become “spiritual terrorists” to fund a new commune with illegal and possibly violent gangster activity. If Acharya Rajneesh could see the quality of the disciples he left behind he would be even more critical of them than me!


whatever you do buddy -- do not turn into a “spiritual terrorist”

[chandrakavi]

Excellent post, informationx

And planetfrog


But it is wasted on these guys.

And I bet you none of them has EVER actually READ
one of Osho's book.

They just read others people's opinions on the
subject that litter the internet.

Read the books yourselves, lads-- and make up your OWN minds.

Yes, there were many things strange and suspicious things
about Osho, especially near the end of his life - but his books
are well worth reading.

However, one requirement is an open mind- which, sadly
is in short supply here from a lot of posters .

It's much easier to be negative and criticize.

"A parachute usually works better when it is open" --David Icke

[alice34]

OSHO: Anybody Who Gives You a Belief System is Your Enemy. - YouTube

[seanx]

BTW, after reading your post I just was thinking of those posters who are just pests to those of us who do not accept that what is written in books by some self proclaimed expert is an absolute truth. Coincidence, maybe?

That's why it is pointless discussing matters with jokers like
yourself.

Tell me: How can you have a genuine discussion on the topic
if you haven't read his books? You can have a discusion - but not
a genuine one

That means you don't know ANYTHING all about his ideas except
what OTHER PEOPLE have told you.

Your choice.

So having a debate with you would be pointless. Like talking to
someone about a film they've never seen.

Also, you seem to be under the illusion that just because
you read someone book you have to accept what they say
as 'absolute truth'.

i've read Osho's books - a lot of them contain great wisdom and
insight - others, especially towards the end- sadly don't.

But that's an experience you only have - when you actually have
the courage to READ the books themselves - and make up YOUR
own mind.

why would a spiritual man need shitload of Rolls Royces

What's wrong with having loads of Rolls Royces? Ever think there
might be a message behind that? Say about the true nature of
reality?

That life is abundant - despite the Elite trying to convince us
other wise!

[king]

Tell me: How can you have a genuine discussion on the topic
if you haven't read his books?

because watching his videos was enough of pain.
in his later years he has lost his direction, wavering in the wind.
last thing i need is some New Age "guru" to tell me how i shall live my life.

i have done lot better than those who followed Osho.




So having a debate with you would be pointless. Like talking to
someone about a film they've never seen.

have it ever occurred to you that your hero has lost its direction and that you are defending someone who should not be defended.

has it ever occurred to you that some people may be able to detect deception and BS lot better than other people?
and you apparently belong to later category.






i've read Osho's books - a lot of them contain great wisdom and
insight - others, especially towards the end- sadly don't.


duh, that is what articles that i linked were talking about.
apparently you have not read those, have you?
but you did decide to argue with me and accuse me of
same thing that you have done?!



But that's an experience you only have - when you actually have
the courage to READ the books themselves - and make up YOUR
own mind.

So, if I have the courage to read, say Bible -- i should take every word as literal truth?

has it ever occurred to you that i may be in better position to
see bigger part of the picture than you are?




What's wrong with having loads of Rolls Royces? Ever think there
might be a message behind that?

First of all, RRs are pieces of shit, technologically retarded cars, gas guzzlers that break down way too often compared to other high end/low production cars.

And i shall know that first hand because i made good living on RRs, Aston Martins, porsches, Lambos, Ferraries and Maseraties.
Second, why would you be obsessed with material things
and yet preach different philosophy -- that of moderation and abstinence, self control? where is validity of your teachings then?


Say about the true nature of
reality?

anyone can write about nature of reality, and his own version.
it does not mean that what experiencer experiences is what reality is.


That life is abundant - despite the Elite trying to convince us
other wise!


of course it is! do we need Osho to tell us that?

just observing life around you should give you more than enough clues.
not a rocket science, is it?

that is why i am not afraid of anything that is coming up our way. if the shit hits the fan -- so be it.
today is as good of a day to die as any other.
you gonna die anyways, so why worry about it?

life cycle will always continue, there always will be life and even when you think all is dead -- there is life on a level that living humans cannot even perceive.

there is some form of life on just about any planet, because -- bacteria is life as well. life could be inside a lava rock or a meteor or what have you.

maybe i should write a book, huh?

[chandrakavi]

Most of us live out our lives in the world of time, in memories of the past and anticipations of the future. Only rarely do we touch the timeless dimension of the present---in moments of sudden beauty, or sudden danger,
in meeting with a lover or with the surprise of the unexpected. Very few people step out of the world of time and mind, its ambitions and competitiveness and begin to live in a world of timelesness. And of those who do, only a few have attempted to share their experience. Lao Tzu, Gautam Buddha, Bodhidarma...or more recently, George Gurjieff, RAmana Maharshi, J. Krishnamurti--they are thought by their contemporaries to be eccentrics or madmen; after their death they are called "philosophers".

Osho belongs to no tradition--"I am the beginning of a totally new religious conciousness", He says, "please don't connect me with the past---it is not even worth remembering."

Osho left his body on January 19, 1990, as a result of poisoning by US government agents while held incognito in custody on immigration violations in 1985. He was given a poison called THALLIUM, a poison that had been
made by the CIA in the Viet Nam war. Once THALLIUM is given to a person, it works two years later, making you have a heart attack, in a different place where it was given , so THALLIUM kills you 2 years later in a different place, and no one suspects of intelligence agents having a part in it.

Samples of Osho's blood, hair and urine, together with X-Rays and his medical History, were sent to London for examination by pathologists and experts. After detailed and exhaustive tests, it was their opinion that the symptoms from which Osho had been suffering since being incarcerated by the US Government were consistent only with poisoning by a heavy metal such as THALLIUM.

The importance of ALL
Masters is, the meditation techniques left behind them, active and passive meditations. where disciples disolve into a sea of conciousness.:)
Osho would always say: " "Life is a mistery to be lived, not a problem to be solved."
If you can read Osho with the heart, your life will be a song, a dance.

Here is what some personalities have said about Osho:

"I have been charmed by reading his books"--FEDERICO FELLINI, I giorno, Italy.

"Osho is an enlightened master who is working with all possibilities
to help humanity overcome a difficult phase in developing conciousness"
(Nobel Peace Price) THE DALAI LAMA

The words on his Samadhi, which Osho himself dictated, read:

OSHO
NEVER BORN--NEVER DIED
ONLY VISITED THIS PLANET EARTH
BETWEEN
DECEMBER 11, 1931--JANUARY 19, 1990

[razed1]

that vid on osho and jim jones, it said jones had 911 sacrificial victims!!!

9/11!!!



wow, what is it about this number and sacrifices :confused:

[alice34]

that vid on osho and jim jones, it said jones had 911 sacrificial victims!!!

9/11!!!



wow, what is it about this number and sacrifices :confused:

interesting, well spotted...if you've got the time that that occurrs that would be great - if not no probs

[razed1]

yes in this vid

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7410955115484516252

at 1:50 listen

"... in the next few hours, nine hundred and eleven of the faithful would take poison or be shot...."


911 victims


9/11 big ritual sacrifice done in front of the worlds eyes


this stuff is crazy :eek:

[alice34]

yes in this vid

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7410955115484516252

at 1:50 listen

"... in the next few hours, nine hundred and eleven of the faithful would take poison or be shot...."


911 victims


9/11 big ritual sacrifice done in front of the worlds eyes


this stuff is crazy :eek:

Thanks Razed,

there was another 911Synch that occurred in the first 5 minutes of the "Man who Fell to Earth" starring David Bowie that I discovered recently too, however the link I used is not working any more :(

In there Bowie was talking about a "911 Show" or ritual or something, it was very odd and I never got to the bottom of what it meant...


http://www.filmzzz.com/film.php?filmid=2731

[chandrakavi]

It is absolutely impossible for a Jonestown to happen here. To think of it is absurd, because my philosophy of life is just the very opposite of Jim Jones.

"One thing is completely forgotten: that Jim Jones was a Christian priest. He was a reverend, and nobody has tried to discover the roots of his philosophy
in Christianity--where they are!. If he is related to anybody, he is related to Jesus, not to me.

But because of the resurrection and the cruxificion, the cross became the symbol of Christianity, I call therefore, Crossianity. It became death-oriented. It became anti-life. In fact all organized religions have been anti-life. They are all looking for a better life--after death.... And Reverend Jim Jones is a Christian priest..

So a jonestown is impossible in my commune...this commune that knows only
life, love and laughter; this commune which does not believe in heaven , in any hell.; this commune which does not believe in following, in believing in faith---how is Jonestown possible here?
This is the only place where it is impossible.
If you rejoice in this life totally, you will not be bothered at all what happens after death--because so much will be happening now that you cannot imagine that more is possible.

It can never become a Jamestown, but politicians can make it a Dachau, Auschwitz, Buchenwald. Politicians can do that, they have already started doing....because every politician is a potencial Adolf Hitler, a Joseph Stalin,
a Benito Mussolini."

OSHO (From unconciousness to Conciousness #7)

[chandrakavi]

Look up:

www.otoons.com/osho.htm

[bigus_dickus]

Look up:

www.otoons.com/osho.htm

dope ;)

http://www.otoons.com/mysticrose/o/o35.jpg

[cleft_asunder]

not only the osho-ashram,
but osho himself sucked as well.

the value of his teaching are below average
(i bet not many people, if anyone got enlightened thanks to him)

osho was more of a comedian than a spiritual teacher.
he also told many lies. for example.

osho claimed "Nisargadatta Maharaj" is a fool...
but Nisargadatta Maharaj is one of the best spiritual teachers that recently walked the earth, together with Ramana Maharshi.

i think.
osho did not want to help others become "enlightened",
he wanted to be the center of attention...

so he could get high on drugs & fuck his female followers...

That's ridiculous. Doing drugs, having many female companions, and having opinions that differ from yours --or being wrong-- are not crimes nor are they immoral. Only to a fool like you.

Thanks, I've read Love, Freedom, Aloneness, and also Eckhart Tolle, and seen Adyashanti, Gangaji, Papaji, and there are no real inconsistencies. The inconsistencies come only in trivial opinions. For example, Osho said Ghost's and such are nonsense. Enlightenment and 3rd-eye-related meditation are 2 separate things.

[cleft_asunder]

I love Osho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otGQqO2TYMI

'Nuff said.

That really is all there needs to be said. His messages and teachings are simple. Even if you don't agree, what is the point of arguing against it? That's like arguing against the Christian church. What's the point? You accomplish building up anger and wasting your own time.

[rossus]

my fault, i should have given more arguments to back up my opinion.
That night I became empty and became full. I became non-existential and became existence. That night I died and was reborn. But the one that was reborn has nothing to do with that which died, it is a discontinuous thing. On the surface it looks continuous but it is discontinuous. The one who died, died totally; nothing of him has remained.
Believe me, nothing of him has remained, not even a shadow. It died totally, utterly. It is not that I am just a modified rup, transformed, modified form, transformed form of the old. No, there has been no continuity. That day of March twenty-first, the person who had lived for many many lives, for millennia, simply died. Another being, absolutely new, not connected at all with the old, started to exist.
Religion just gives you a total death. Maybe that's why the whole day previous to that happening I was feeling some urgency like death, as if I am going to die—and I really died. I have known many other deaths but they were nothing compared to it, they were partial deaths.
Sometimes the body died, sometimes a part of the mind died, sometimes a part of the ego died, but as far as the person was concerned, it remained. Renovated many times, decorated many times, changed a little bit here and there, but it remained, the continuity remained.
That night the death was total. It was a date with death and god simultaneously. trans211
here he is saying that he had many little deaths, and that he reincarnated several times.
but one day on a "lucky day", he became enlightened.
he had lost all of his old baggage and from then on,
he had to do nothing anymore... because he was "enlightened".....

[aside from the fact he says here he reincarnated many times.. and later he states there is no such thing as reincarnation...
it is being said by former osho-ashram-members that in the beginning he often said to his disciples he reincarnated many times as a famous guru, to impress, manipulate and control them. ]

.....he was lying when he said that you become enlightened some day, and then you are free from all your karma.

old karma rises up, again and again and again.
enlightenment is not like you switch the light button on, and the light stays on.
you need to keep your finger on the button, otherwise it will become dark again.

and when you read this story (http://home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html) about Osho
(which i think is quite authentic to how it really happened)
you can see that he eventually became a sad old drugaddict...
because he did not keep his finger on the button.

so when he says "when enlightenment happens you can no longer experience the fall from grace",
he is misleading spiritual seekers

osho didn't follow his own truthful advice enough,
and followed his own untruthful advice too much.

if he would have put the light on more strongly,
he would have been way more enlightened than he was.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

my theory is...
osho put on the light (of enlightenment) a little bit so he certainly knows what it is.
because of this, he was able to seperate the useful advice and the unuseful advice from traditional buddhist teachings filled with Disinfo.
he declared to the people he was enlightened, he pointed out the mistakes of buddhism and other religion's which have become poisoned.
he bring people closer to enlightenment, so they can have a taste of it (like he does)... and so people give him their trust.
but all this, while Osho himself was not experiencing enlightenment very strong at all. because if he would, he would not have deceived himself and other people.

another bad advice I remember him saying is his Zorba The Buddha advice.
"live like zorba the greek, have a lot of sex... get high a lot... etc...
but remain centered like buddha"
this is one of these statements that made Osho really popular.
but it is bad advice to tell to an Ego, and it is simply doesn't work.

you can't serve both Satan and God at the same time, but Osho liked to pretend you can.
because then he could get high a lot and fuck a lot, without being questioned for it.
because it is what many people like to hear, and it make him popular (sell more books, recruit more ashram members = $$$)

i'm not saying that if you want enlightenment, you need to become an ascetic and never eat or have sex again.
but if enlightenment is truely what you want, then enlightenment is what you will get...
and in this state you realize that Pain or Pleasure are both equally unimportant.

for Osho, pleasure never lost it's big value. (as did pain, because they say he used a lot of painkillers to treat pain)
if i'm not mistaken, I once read Osho saying "one who has sex for 10 minutes lives more than he who sits in meditation for 100 years".

this clearly illustrates Osho's lack of enlightenment.
because if the light is on strong enough, you realize that pleasure of the senses is really not important.

again:
i don't mean to say it's unenlightened to have sex,
but to assign value to pleasure is an act of ignorance... not of enlightenment.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

so these short examples of Osho-lies..... may seem like small unimportant details,
but for me this kind of thing is what distinguishes a bad from a good spiritual teacher.

don't get me wrong.
i'm not saying Osho didn't help people. he might have made the lives better of Many!

i think you're much better of with Osho as your spiritual teacher,
than for example traditional buddhism or christianity.

i think Osho wrote some quality philosophical material.
he wrote some quality intellectual material.
he wrote some quality spiritual material.
unfortunately it suffers from occasional disinformation.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

According to this site (http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/rajneesh.asp),
when things started becoming really ugly... osho would have said...

“I am so relieved that I do not have to pretend to be enlightened any more. Poor Krishnamurti ... he still has to pretend” (Milne, 1986).
I don't know if it's true, but i think his ego was capable of saying that.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
conclusion:
teachers like Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj had their light burning much more brightly than Osho did.
& if you are looking for Enlightenment...
you're better of with one of those two as your teacher, than Osho.

(I must admit i've not read much Ramana Maharshi yet, but he seems to have a really good reputation.
So far I've only read Gangaji and Nisargadatta and find their teaching way more useful than Osho's)


peace

http://www.aloha.net/~ruth/shiva09-333.jpg

[razed1]

i watched some osho clips, very interesting teachings, i like it

his one talk about the hells and heaven

like to ge to the highest heavens, you must go to the deepest hells first

the higher a tree grows towards the heavens, the deeper the roots go into the earth

this idea of balance,

i resonated alot with that talk

kinda like my mesage behing a thread i did about balance i did a while back, when i posted this trailer

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

we really have to look at just what kind of lessons we can learn, from all different kinds of mediums


they want you to pray for peace, because this makes sure there will always war

they want you to always want the light, light light, without appreciating the purifying qualities of darkness....

[chandrakavi]

Light vs darkness
Love vs Hate
Silence vs Sound
etc
Is the world people live in, a world of DUALITY, a division.

If you live in the LIGHT, you alone will live in ONENESS
you will be total,
you must LIVE BEYOND GOOD AND EVIL
in a life without concepts
after all words are never the answer
it is SILENCE AND MEDITATION.

It is the WHOLENESS that loves us
and purifies us in many ways, through the light,

Heaven and Hell do not exist, they are merely concepts
of good and bad, according to us , we live in this life.

The way the world has received the gift of Osho may be the greatest story of giving and receiving yet to be told.:):):D

"EVERYTHING BELONGS TO EXISTENCE.
ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS SEES HIMSELF AS ONLY AN INSTRUMENT THROUGH WHOM LIFE GIVES TO LIFE.
AND HE IS JUST A WITNESS,
SHARE AND FORGET ALL ABOUT IT.
THE GIVER HAS TO FORGET,
THE RECEIVER HAS TO FORGET.
BOTH SHOULD BE GRATEFUL
TOWARDS LIFE BECAUSE
IT IS LIFE WHICH GIVES:"

OSHO

[cleft_asunder]

my fault, i should have given more arguments to back up my opinion.

here he is saying that he had many little deaths, and that he reincarnated several times.
but one day on a "lucky day", he became enlightened.
he had lost all of his old baggage and from then on,
he had to do nothing anymore... because he was "enlightened".....

[aside from the fact he says here he reincarnated many times.. and later he states there is no such thing as reincarnation...
it is being said by former osho-ashram-members that in the beginning he often said to his disciples he reincarnated many times as a famous guru, to impress, manipulate and control them. ]

.....he was lying when he said that you become enlightened some day, and then you are free from all your karma.

old karma rises up, again and again and again.
enlightenment is not like you switch the light button on, and the light stays on.
you need to keep your finger on the button, otherwise it will become dark again.

and when you read this story (http://home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html) about Osho
(which i think is quite authentic to how it really happened)
you can see that he eventually became a sad old drugaddict...
because he did not keep his finger on the button.

so when he says "when enlightenment happens you can no longer experience the fall from grace",
he is misleading spiritual seekers

osho didn't follow his own truthful advice enough,
and followed his own untruthful advice too much.

if he would have put the light on more strongly,
he would have been way more enlightened than he was.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

my theory is...
osho put on the light (of enlightenment) a little bit so he certainly knows what it is.
because of this, he was able to seperate the useful advice and the unuseful advice from traditional buddhist teachings filled with Disinfo.
he declared to the people he was enlightened, he pointed out the mistakes of buddhism and other religion's which have become poisoned.
he bring people closer to enlightenment, so they can have a taste of it (like he does)... and so people give him their trust.
but all this, while Osho himself was not experiencing enlightenment very strong at all. because if he would, he would not have deceived himself and other people.

another bad advice I remember him saying is his Zorba The Buddha advice.
"live like zorba the greek, have a lot of sex... get high a lot... etc...
but remain centered like buddha"
this is one of these statements that made Osho really popular.
but it is bad advice to tell to an Ego, and it is simply doesn't work.

you can't serve both Satan and God at the same time, but Osho liked to pretend you can.
because then he could get high a lot and fuck a lot, without being questioned for it.
because it is what many people like to hear, and it make him popular (sell more books, recruit more ashram members = $$$)

i'm not saying that if you want enlightenment, you need to become an ascetic and never eat or have sex again.
but if enlightenment is truely what you want, then enlightenment is what you will get...
and in this state you realize that Pain or Pleasure are both equally unimportant.

for Osho, pleasure never lost it's big value. (as did pain, because they say he used a lot of painkillers to treat pain)
if i'm not mistaken, I once read Osho saying "one who has sex for 10 minutes lives more than he who sits in meditation for 100 years".

this clearly illustrates Osho's lack of enlightenment.
because if the light is on strong enough, you realize that pleasure of the senses is really not important.

again:
i don't mean to say it's unenlightened to have sex,
but to assign value to pleasure is an act of ignorance... not of enlightenment.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

so these short examples of Osho-lies..... may seem like small unimportant details,
but for me this kind of thing is what distinguishes a bad from a good spiritual teacher.

don't get me wrong.
i'm not saying Osho didn't help people. he might have made the lives better of Many!

i think you're much better of with Osho as your spiritual teacher,
than for example traditional buddhism or christianity.

i think Osho wrote some quality philosophical material.
he wrote some quality intellectual material.
he wrote some quality spiritual material.
unfortunately it suffers from occasional disinformation.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

According to this site (http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/rajneesh.asp),
when things started becoming really ugly... osho would have said...

“I am so relieved that I do not have to pretend to be enlightened any more. Poor Krishnamurti ... he still has to pretend” (Milne, 1986).
I don't know if it's true, but i think his ego was capable of saying that.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
conclusion:
teachers like Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj had their light burning much more brightly than Osho did.
& if you are looking for Enlightenment...
you're better of with one of those two as your teacher, than Osho.

(I must admit i've not read much Ramana Maharshi yet, but he seems to have a really good reputation.
So far I've only read Gangaji and Nisargadatta and find their teaching way more useful than Osho's)


peace

http://www.aloha.net/~ruth/shiva09-333.jpg

Thanks for the reply. I will try to get back to you tomorrow. Sorry for calling you a fool. I was angry because I didn't have breakfast. I thought you were the equivalent of an Alex Jones basher.

[rossus]

Sorry for calling you a fool. I was angry because I didn't have breakfast. I thought you were the equivalent of an Alex Jones basher.
no problem.
my first reply may have been the equivalent of one :)

[razed1]

thanks chandra that was a nice psot u did

check out the latest tsarion interview on redicecreations.com he speaks about this duality

and why thes modern religions were designed to only revere the light and hate the darkness,

a lot of brainwashed christians and muslims should listen to that interview, might pick up on a few things



its tweedle dee and tweedle dum,

you cant have one without the other

if youre are a person that feels, has emotion,

then know that every feeling needs the other, one is dependent on the other for existence, and if you shoudl choose not to entertain the other darker side of emotions, then they will continue to gather and clog your system


this type of dual brained thinking and undertstanding is NOT taught or encouraged by ANY modern day religions,

[chandrakavi]

thanks chandra that was a nice psot u did

check out the latest tsarion interview on redicecreations.com he speaks about this duality

and why thes modern religions were designed to only revere the light and hate the darkness,

a lot of brainwashed christians and muslims should listen to that interview, might pick up on a few things



its tweedle dee and tweedle dum,

you cant have one without the other

if youre are a person that feels, has emotion,

then know that every feeling needs the other, one is dependent on the other for existence, and if you shoudl choose not to entertain the other darker side of emotions, then they will continue to gather and clog your system


this type of dual brained thinking and undertstanding is NOT taught or encouraged by ANY modern day religions,

Thanks for your post razed 1
I will look into that interview,
Thanks!

INFINITE LOVE

[eternal_spirit]

It was simply a fuckfest. Some spy ops, psychological, sexual, occult.... human experiment even. Why is he still popular? He couldn't even cure his own pain, needed pain killing drugs. Don't forget the chakra breast tests, eugh! You wouldn't wan't to trust you're daughter or any female with this over sexed shill.

If it hadn't of been for the money he got off his followers to buy his fat ass, all the luxuries he could imagine, and "conjur up" having the money from followers... He would of been a rickshaw runner, or some Ghandi look alike sat on the corner of Bombay central "Guru unknown wannabe", with beggars bowl!

[chandrakavi]

I heard that same kind of "logic, reasoning" through the 96% controlled
media eternal_spirit. Your mind seems to be made up with that,
and you don't like him. So that's that for you. Read his books, or hear his talks. Not what his disciples do.The Master is the one who truly knew. I have seen also the same prejudice in the Eckhardt Tolle thread made by you. BUT I'M SURE YOU ONLY HAVE SEEN INFORMATION ON THE MEDIA, AND INTERNET. That is NOT INFORMATION
IT IS A BLACK LEGEND PROPAGANDA BUILT AROUND HIM BY THE USA GOVERNMENT OF THE TIME.MANY CIA, FBI, people took sannyas with wakie talkies, dressed in red. So don't believe everything you see or hear. But it was well orchestrated, and finally U.S. agents poisoned him in U.S. jail with Thallium.

There are people who will believe this propaganda of the media,
and there are others who will read his books and listen to his talks
see what it does for them, and make up their mind.

The rest is listening to the establishment justifying itself.

If Osho was so wrong, why were the U.S. agents after him to kill him?
what were they afraid of? Were they afraid that many people would follow him, and not the establishment.

But it's ok, there will always be 2 sides to this story,
the one really lived by Osho, and the one by the establishment.
And many people who believe them seeing THE ESTABLISHMENT MEDIA.

You can't expect a man like Osho who talked against the politicians (Illuminati) through a lifetime, to be liked by the politicians.

[eternal_spirit]

What's to like about a ranting beardo? The Media get it right sometimes, "exposing cults", Scientology, Mormons, Jim Jones...there's some documented examples.

The Intelligence Agencies are known to "poison, kill" dangerous madmen like Osho at times.

I fail to see, why this man is held in high esteem by some. maybe it's the steam from all the BS he speaks, got you blinded, not by the "light," but by the "shite!"

I can't see what "Osho" has to offer...As being useful in anyway?

The first post of the thread.....Says "much of the truth about Osho has been covered up," and the author was trying to keep track of the stories, because much seems to have gone missing over time. Are Osho's people trying to cover their tracks? Which will lead us and them down the track to the sewerage Plant?

Looks like a cult, why call an apple an orange or indeed a banana.

[razed1]

see this is what happens when you make judgements on things without actuall looking at the information the person is bringing forward

theres alot of ppl who dismissed d.ickes talks just becuase the idea of shapshifting reptilians is ridiculous to them, so they missed out on all the other stuff ickes talks about


i think it would be wise for you to watch some clips of osho online then make up your mind


cult?


anythings a cult

christianity is a cult, islam is a cult, mainstream beleivers are in a cult, football fans are in a cult

bottom line is, its just information, take the responsibility back into your own hands about what info you will beleive, dont look for being swept off your feet by some ranting non-beardo, if thats your cup o' tea

[eternal_spirit]

Scientology: BBC reporter losing it! - YouTube

[chandrakavi]

Hi razed 1!:D:)

I READ THE THE TSARION INTERVIEW YOU TOLD ME!

VERY INTERESTING.

THANKS A LOT!

INFINITE LOVE TO YOU:):D

[razed1]

hey no prob

umm whos that in your avatar, looks like volcano god, vulcan or something like that


are you talking about the tsarion interview? theres a couple of mp3 for download form redicecreations (id give you the link, but cant access that site from work)


have you listened to tsarion's work before?

[chandrakavi]

:D
Hi Razed 1!:D

My avatar is called Zaharom. It was painted by my chilean painter friend
in the book he wrote in an exposition some years ago. The book is called : THE BOOK OF THE GODS, where he mentions the Pantheon of the forgotten gods.

About Zoharom he says: "This poweful god, Lord and Prince commands
legions of genies and devas that live in hot rocks in volcanoes, and their function is to lead humans in a non-stop way in their way to transcendence.
"Powerful and benevolent although his path is hard and may cause pain to the ones faithful to him. Zoharom is absolutely necesary for the evolution of men. In his psicological dimension , ....
This god, as all gods, lives in the body of human beings, as all gods do.
integrated to the minerals that compose it."

This book was written in spanish in Santiago, Chile, by HERNAN VALDOVINOS, with his paintings, this is one of them.

You were very close about knowing about this god eh?:D
lately, I will place other avatars of this book.

No, I had not listened to Tsarium before, seems very interesting to me.
I will read more.

Best to you,

INFINITE LOVE

[razed1]

hmm very interesting chandra (in hindi/punjabi language, chand or chandra means MOON)


yes
i suggest you watch some tsarion presentations , theyre on video.google and youtube, you will see alot of reuslt for his name

and esp watch his one presentation called "origins of evil", its one of my favourites,

and dont forget, make sure to watch jordan maxwell vids, esp one called "inner world of occult" and prepare to go down the rabbit hole, :D




yea something interesting ive learned from my research


the ancients beleived that the overruling 'godforce' of the universe, the creator, the big kahuna whatever you wanna call it, as ppl like j.maxwell and tsarion will tell you, this force in IMpersonal, meaning human concepts and ideas have no meaning for this all seeing force, they said it was above these concepts of human thought (such as good vs evil)

however, what the ancients also said was that there are 'agents'/elements or forces of nature that are affected and respond to human thoughts/desires

so you have an overarching body (the one god) which is impersonal and then you have lesser 'gods'/forces of nature that do respond to our thoughts


i thought this was interesting because its basically the OPPOSITE of what modern day religions teach

they tell you that theres a 'big daddy' who looking after your every move, who judging you on every thing you do, and if you pray hard enough to him, if your good , youll get something, an theyve convinced the average person, that nature and spirits of nature are all 'evil' and satanic, astrology, tarot, these are all evil things to stay away from

some even expect a person to come back and save em all!

and they say im crazy ;)

just remember the physical is made up of four elements, fire, earth, air and water revolving around a fifth, spirit

simple and plain right :D

[chandrakavi]

I will watch the videos in google and youtube of Tsaurium.

I have seen < lot of videos of Jordan Maxwell, he is very good. I will watch "the inner world of the occult" as you mention, sounds interesting.

I remember a 5 year old kid and his dad went to the expositions of The Pantheon of the forgotten gods, and the boy asked what are the gods dad? and the dad said, "all the gods are within us"

Whaat modern religion has to teach you, is part of the Ignorance of the piramid although they know what the truth is. Keep up your research,
and as they say, "talk only to the seekers"

On another matter, I have seen that a couple of people among them have been banned from this website, I AM ALL I AM and others.

I don't understand this happening here. WE DESERVE AN EXPLANATION.:(

i HAVE NO IDEA.

Look into it also.

Look in thread: Hahaha


INFINITE LOVE

[razed1]

ya i think it mightve been this page

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12144&page=7

:confused:

[chandrakavi]

That seems to be what started the explotion.
Thanks , I didn't know

[kasalt]

I See Red People - YouTube

--Brainwashed, conned out of their money, and--like fools--turned into Osho-bots.

[chandrakavi]

It is strange, many people NEVER went to India, never will go,
never read an Osho book
never did an Osho meditation
Never met Osho personally
Never went to the Resort

All they saw was images on TV,(cult) and videos (a cult), radio (cult)
newspapers (a cult)therefore THEY KNOW
They know what the establishment wants them to know through the MEDIA,
And they believe THEY ARE NOT BEEN SUBJECTED TO PROPAGANDA or brainwashed
hahahhaha
DRINK COCA COLA boys:D
or be sociable HAVE A PEPSI

[kasalt]

It is strange, many people NEVER went to India, never will go,
never read an Osho book
never did an Osho meditation
Never met Osho personally
Never went to the Resort

All they saw was images on TV,(cult) and videos (a cult), radio (cult)
newspapers (a cult)therefore THEY KNOW
They know what the establishment wants them to know through the MEDIA,
And they believe THEY ARE NOT BEEN SUBJECTED TO PROPAGANDA or brainwashed
hahahhaha
DRINK COCA COLA boys:D
or be sociable HAVE A PEPSI

To be fair, I think they brainwashed themselves, conned themselves out of their own money, and--like fools--turned themselves into Osho-bots:

I See Red People - YouTube

[eternal_spirit]

Oshobots lol.

[phildee3]

just remember the physical is made up of four elements, fire, earth, air and water revolving around a fifth, spirit

simple and plain right :D

Easy now!
The Celts in Ireland had a different system.
They had three.
Fire and air were one,
and spirit permeated them all.

Even simpler,
- and also "right."

[eternal_spirit]

Oshil!

[eternal_spirit]

He died in Pune in 1990. Various rumors spread that he had been poisoned with thallium by the CIA, had been exposed to damaging doses of radiation by the U.S. authorities, or had heart failure. It is obvious that he did not experience thallium poisoning, because he died with a full beard, and only male-pattern baldness on the top of his head. A person suffering from thallium poisoning suffers a dramatic loss of hair with a week of exposure. 6 His death certificate lists heart failure as the cause of his death.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/rajneesh.htm

At its peak, they had about 200,000 members and 600 centers around the world. They were targeted by many anti-cult groups (http://www.religioustolerance.org/acm.htm) as an evil, mind control cult.

[eternal_spirit]

Beliefs and Practices

Osho developed new forms of active meditation. The best known is Dynamic Meditation which often starts with strenuous physical activity followed by silence and celebration. These were expected to lead the individual to overcome repression, lower their personal inhibitions, develop a "state of emptiness", and attain enlightenment. The person then would have "no past, no future, no attachment, no mind, no ego, no self." Prior to 1985, the disciples wore red robes, and a necklace of 108 beads which had an attached picture of Rajneesh. Osho assigned a new name to each of the disciples. Men were given the title "Swami"; women were called "Ma". Although most members lived a frugal, simple lifestyle, Rajneesh himself lived in luxury.

His collection 27 Rolls Royces, given to him by his followers, was well known. (Some sources say he had as many as 100 cars). Anti-cult groups claimed that he urged his disciples to sever their connection to their families of origin. It is true that he felt that the institution of the family was out of date and that it should be replaced with alternative forms of community and ways of caring for children. However, he actually encouraged individual disciples to make peace with their families. Many became disciples themselves, including Osho's own parents.

He taught a form of Monism, that God was in everything and everyone. There is no division between "God" and "not-God". People, even at their worse, are divine. He recognized Jesus Christ as having attained enlightenment, and believed that he survived his crucifixion and moved to India where he died at the age of 112. Osho was noted for reading very offensive jokes; some were anti-Semitic; others were anti-Roman Catholicism; others insulted just about every ethnic and religious group in the world. He explained that the purpose of these jokes was to shock people and to encourage them to examine their identification with and attachment to their ethnic or religious beliefs. His contention was that national, religious, gender and racial divisions are destructive.

[eternal_spirit]

Recent Developments

Osho repeatedly stated that he would not appoint a successor to replace him after his death. He viewed each disciple as his successor. However, before his death, he appointed an inner circle of 21 individuals to look after the functioning of the meditation resort at Pune and handle administrative affairs relating to his work. They now operate about 20 meditation centers worldwide. Rajneesh's main influence now is through his voluminous writings; they are read by many New Agers as well as followers of Osho.
Osho Commune International ® administers the center in Pune, India. Since it was established it has been expanded from 6 to 32 acres. The group has a Global Connections department that provides information about centers and activities worldwide. Osho International in New York, NY, administers the rights to Osho's works.
Some of Osho's aides who were imprisoned because of crimes committed in Oregon were released from prison in mid-1998 and deported to England.

[chandrakavi]

I heard that same kind of "logic, reasoning" through the 96% controlled
media eternal_spirit. Your mind seems to be made up with that,
and you don't like him. So that's that for you. Read his books, or hear his talks. Not what his disciples do.The Master is the one who truly knew. I have seen also the same prejudice in the Eckhardt Tolle thread made by you. BUT I'M SURE YOU ONLY HAVE SEEN INFORMATION ON THE MEDIA, AND INTERNET. That is NOT INFORMATION
IT IS A BLACK LEGEND PROPAGANDA BUILT AROUND HIM BY THE USA GOVERNMENT OF THE TIME.MANY CIA, FBI, people took sannyas with wakie talkies, dressed in red. So don't believe everything you see or hear. But it was well orchestrated, and finally U.S. agents poisoned him in U.S. jail with Thallium.

There are people who will believe this propaganda of the media,
and there are others who will read his books and listen to his talks
see what it does for them, and make up their mind.

The rest is listening to the establishment justifying itself.

If Osho was so wrong, why were the U.S. agents after him to kill him?
what were they afraid of? Were they afraid that many people would follow him, and not the establishment.

But it's ok, there will always be 2 sides to this story,
the one really lived by Osho, and the one by the establishment.
And many people who believe them seeing THE ESTABLISHMENT MEDIA.

You can't expect a man like Osho who talked against the politicians (Illuminati) through a lifetime, to be liked by the politicians.

This is spoken from experience
everything else is
Back to the media information.
to logic happiness is very similar to insanity seen from a logic point of view,
Meditation has to be experienced, it is not part of what is done by the media "repeaters" as David Icke says

[kasalt]

8-minute video:

Rise and Fall of Rajneeshpuram - YouTube

[eternal_spirit]

The spirit doesn't need tips or help with meditation.

[chandrakavi]

He died in Pune in 1990. Various rumors spread that he had been poisoned with thallium by the CIA, had been exposed to damaging doses of radiation by the U.S. authorities, or had heart failure. It is obvious that he did not experience thallium poisoning, because he died with a full beard, and only male-pattern baldness on the top of his head. A person suffering from thallium poisoning suffers a dramatic loss of hair with a week of exposure. 6 His death certificate lists heart failure as the cause of his death.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/rajneesh.htm

At its peak, they had about 200,000 members and 600 centers around the world. They were targeted by many anti-cult groups (http://www.religioustolerance.org/acm.htm) as an evil, mind control cult.

That is a very weak explanation . People who die of CANCER have to cut fully their hair. THALLIUM was made so your body starts growing slowly, so the heart has to work more and more. One dies 2 years later of a heart attack because the heart can't cope with having so much work with the body. So naturally when one dies the doctors have to say it was of a heart attack.
What you are explaining falsely is out of guilt. It has nothing to do with his having or not a beard. You seem to want to have all the answers. But this is not one of them. Osho's hair, urine and x-rays, and his entire medical portfolio, were sent to medical experts to London to have them checked. And it was they who said that the symptoms Osho had were that he was dying of THALLIUM POISONING by US AGENTS.
I am sure you have an answer for that also. You would have to speak with them, with the medical experts, who checked everything.

I can't understand if Osho is not your cup of tea, why did you start this thread anyway?

Do you still go to church on sundays eternal spirit?
Or have you realized that it is a dead routine?

Meditation is a constant state we can be in,
others pray, in a way this is the way everyone connects with his INNER MASTER, with themselves.
Jesus did it through the Our father prayer, so we would connect with our inner Master. But today people don't pray, they repeat, don't know what they are saying. If they did it rightly , they would connect with their inner self, that's what that beautiful prayer was meant for.

MEDITATION MEANS REMEMBEERING WHO YOU ARE
that's all

You should have more updated information, since you get it all from internet,
of Osho's chat's in Pune, India.
the Oregon Rajneeshpuram happened in the 80's,
he left his body in the 90.

You don't seem to like any Master or Guru (Guru means from the darkness to the light)
Don't understand the relationship Master-Disciple. You are establishment-oriented,
but I suppose many people are, my question is what are you doing in the DAVID ICKE SITE? Seems interesting
Best to you any way, have a good time.

INFINITE LOVE

[chandrakavi]

Meditation is:
PLAYFUL
CREATIVE
CONCIENCE
YOUR NATURE
NON-ACTION
BEING A WITNESS
A JUMP
CIENTIFIC
AN EXPERIMENT
SILENCE
PARADISE
REMENICENT
FREEDOM
SENSIBILITY
GROWING
NON-ESCAPIST
A GIFT
CLARITY
VOID
INTELIGENCE
PURIFICATION
A FLOWERING
TAKING CONCIENCE
FUN
UNDERSTANDING
CHARM
RELAXATION
UNITY
RECREATION
REST
BEING THE OWNER OF THE SELF
IN THE PRESENT
A HAPPENING
TRANSFORMATION
COMING BACK HOME
TO LIVE HAPPILY:):D

[eternal_spirit]

:D Chakradavi. I've opened the crown Chakra many moons ago, and have connection with the infinite.

[eternal_spirit]

I can't understand if Osho is not your cup of tea, why did you start this thread anyway?

Do you still go to church on sundays eternal spirit?
Or have you realized that it is a dead routine?

Meditation is a constant state we can be in,
others pray, in a way this is the way everyone connects with his INNER MASTER, with themselves.
Jesus did it through the Our father prayer, so we would connect with our inner Master. But today people don't pray, they repeat, don't know what they are saying. If they did it rightly , they would connect with their inner self, that's what that beautiful prayer was meant for.

MEDITATION MEANS REMEMBEERING WHO YOU ARE
that's all

You should have more updated information, since you get it all from internet,
of Osho's chat's in Pune, India.
the Oregon Rajneeshpuram happened in the 80's,
he left his body in the 90.

You don't seem to like any Master or Guru (Guru means from the darkness to the light)
Don't understand the relationship Master-Disciple. You are establishment-oriented,
but I suppose many people are, my question is what are you doing in the DAVID ICKE SITE? Seems interesting
Best to you any way, have a good time.

INFINITE LOVE

...............

To expose a shill known as Osho.

Wash your mouth out with Osho's scented soap! You blaspheming foul tongued one, do not forsake the Lord. If in doubt blame the Christians.

I have enough light, I'm in no need of any "Guru", I've travelled down many paths, been on my journies much longer than most here.

So how about you donate all your money to me, and I can be head Guru?

I'm so not Establishment LOL. Do you realize, many of the so called alternative ways/groups such as Oshobots are set up by the Establishment?

You need to read into the words more, and get a deeper meaning, and how they usually relate to High Masonic spiel.

Since when do you have to be an Osho fan to be on the Icke Forum. lol.

[kasalt]

I don't mean to be presumptuous, but I think its obvious what David Icke would have to say about Osho.

[chandrakavi]

see this is what happens when you make judgements on things without actuall looking at the information the person is bringing forward

theres alot of ppl who dismissed d.ickes talks just becuase the idea of shapshifting reptilians is ridiculous to them, so they missed out on all the other stuff ickes talks about


i think it would be wise for you to watch some clips of osho online then make up your mind


cult?


anythings a cult

christianity is a cult, islam is a cult, mainstream beleivers are in a cult, football fans are in a cult

bottom line is, its just information, take the responsibility back into your own hands about what info you will beleive, dont look for being swept off your feet by some ranting non-beardo, if thats your cup o' tea

Right on razed 1!!!!

[chandrakavi]

[QUOTE=chandrakavi;173663]That is a very weak explanation . People who die of CANCER have to cut fully their hair. THALLIUM poison was made so your body starts growing slowly, so the heart has to work more and more. One dies 2 years later of a heart attack because the heart can't cope with having so much work with the body. So naturally when one dies the doctors have to say it was of a heart attack.
What you are explaining falsely is out of guilt. It has nothing to do with his having or not a beard. You seem to want to have all the answers. But this is not one of them. Osho's hair, urine and x-rays, and his entire medical portfolio, were sent to medical experts to London to have them checked. And it was they who said that the symptoms Osho had were that he was dying of THALLIUM POISONING by US AGENTS.
I am sure you have an answer for that also. You would have to speak with them, with the medical experts, who checked everything.

YOU OMMITTED THIS PART OF MY ANSWER

[kasalt]

More veil-lifting on "Osho":

[Rajneesh] stated that he himself had attained [Enlightenment] at the age of twenty-one.... [H]e went on to declare that...there was only one Enlightened Master at any particular time, and that he was the one (Milne, 1986).

The Rajneesh Bible...was really “the first and last religion” (Gordon, 1987).

Being renowned as the “Guru of the Vagina,” Rajneesh was, of course, said to be sleeping with a selection of his female disciples, particularly via “special darshans” granted to them in the movement’s foundling/fondling years. Vivek, one of the earliest and closest of those, was claimed to be the reincarnation of Mary Magdalene (Milne, 1986).

In the midst of that revelry, vasectomies were “suggested” for the ashram men—a quarter of whom complied.

As to the characteristics which Bhagwan was looking for in his mediums, he soon explained: [O]nly women with large breasts could hope for the honor. “I have been tortured by small-breasted women for many lives together,” he announced to a startled audience, “and I will not do it in this life!” (Milne, 1986).

Former mediums claimed to have had sexual contact with Bhagwan for the purpose of “stimulating our lower chakras” ... and for “orchestrating our energies” (Palmer and Sharma, 1993).

There were few legal ways in which a Westerner could earn money [to stay at the Poona ashram], and before long many of the girls turned to prostitution...The other main way of making money in those days was to mount a drug run (Milne, 1986).

In the midst of those difficulties, seeking to expand his work and desiring to escape a reported $4 million in unpaid income taxes, Rajneesh quietly left India for the United States in 1981, arriving via a 747 jet in New Jersey.

Pausing at the top of the departure stairs as he exited the plane, the sage expansively proclaimed: "I am the Messiah America has been waiting for" (in Milne, 1986).

And thereby was the table set for the fortunate few to “eat, drink and be merry,” for "shortly before [Rajneesh] came out of his three and a half year silence, he prophesied with great drama and precision that two-thirds of humanity would die of the disease AIDS by the year 2000" (Palmer and Sharma, 1993).

That off-base prediction was based on Bhagwan’s understanding of a Nostradamus verse.

Directing their attention as well to concerns outside of the ashram, followers in the same year "spiked salad bars at ten restaurants in [nearby The Dalles, Oregon] with salmonella and sickened about 750 people" (Flaccus, 2001).

The goal there was apparently to incapacitate large numbers of voters, allowing the Rajneesh-sponsored candidates to prevail in county elections. A contamination of the local water supply was reportedly planned for after the “test” restaurant poisoning.

Investigations into that salmonella outbreak ultimately revealed an alleged plot to kill the former U.S. Attorney for Oregon, Charles Turner. Though the attack was never actually carried out, in the hope of derailing the investigation into their other activities some of Rajneesh’s loyal followers nevertheless reportedly "assembled a hit team in 1985. They bought guns, watched Turner’s home, office and car, and discussed ways to assassinate him" (Larabee, 2000).

Following all that, and with the continuing failure of his apocalyptic predictions for the near-end of the world to materialize—as they had previously dissipated in 1978 and 1980—Rajneesh was deported from the U.S. for immigration violations in 1985. He was refused entry by at least twenty countries before finally returning to his old ashram in Poona, thereby leaving Americans either waiting longer for their Messiah ... or being glad that he had left.

The Oregon ashram closed down soon after Bhagwan’s departure. (Various followers were later convicted on assault, attempted murder, wiretapping and food poisoning charges [Larabee, 2000].)

By 1982 Rajneesh was allegedly sniffing nitrous oxide (i.e., laughing gas) to get high on a daily basis. On one occasion, six months into that, reportedly reclining in his own $12,000 dentist chair and babbling, “I am so relieved that I do not have to pretend to be enlightened any more. Poor Krishnamurti...he still has to pretend” (Milne, 1986).

Krishnamurti...actually considered Rajneesh to be a “criminal” for his abuse of the guru-disciple relationship...

At any rate, having returned to India, Bhagwan’s “enlightenment” soon improved to the extent where he could announce that "Gautama the Buddha had entered his body, and that this had been verified by the seeress of one of the most ancient Shinto shrines in Japan" (Hamilton, 1998).

Rajneesh, as the reincarnation of Gautama Buddha, fits the model of the Second Coming ushering in the Thousand Years of Peace (Palmer and Sharma, 1993).

The Buddha himself, however, made do with a simple Tree in his own spiritual practice or sadhana, never having had access to a “Bodhi Chair” of Enlightenment.

Rajneesh died of a heart attack in 1990 at age fifty-eight, but not before changing his name to “Osho” (“Beloved Master”), under which authorship his books are currently being marketed.

Indeed, worldwide Osho book (two thousand titles in forty-four languages) and audio-book sales now surpass $1 million annually (McCafferty, 1999). There is, of course, scant mention in those honored books of

* Rolls-Royces

* Homophobia

* Prostitution

* Drug-running

* Tax evasion

* Wiretapping

* Salmonella

* Assassination plots

* Nitrous oxide sniffing, or

* Mangoes ... in syrup

http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/rajneesh.asp

[king]

There is, of course, scant mention in those honored books of

* Rolls-Royces

* Homophobia

* Prostitution

* Drug-running

* Tax evasion

* Wiretapping

* Salmonella

* Assassination plots

* Nitrous oxide sniffing, or

* Mangoes ... in syrup

http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/rajneesh.asp



of course not ;-)

maybe they needed all of those things to reach the state of "enlightenment" </pun>

[chandrakavi]

"More than 6 years after the events and two years after the death of Osho, A PASSAGE TO AMERICA is the first book to systematically explore the complex sequence of events which led to Osho's apparent demise. Based entirely on historical records and a hundred interviews conducted in USA, , Europe, and India. A PASSAGE TO AMERICA, is a piece of hard hitting investigative journalism in the style of Woodward and Bernstein. It proves the previously unvelievable: that there was a multi-level U.S. government conspiracy against Osho."
"Proves that there was more than one conspiracy against Osho. It wasn't just legalistic. It was also lethal. There were assasination plots against him by U.S. Agents. This book reveals this and many other previously-untold stories. By tearing through the wall of sensational press that has been built up around a man and his message, the author aims to re-open a closed case."

A PASSAGE TO AMERICA by MAX BRECHER
A RADICALLY NEW LOOK
AT OSHO AND A CONTROVERSIAL AMERICAN COMMUNE
Book Quest Publisher, (first edition 1993)

[chandrakavi]

"I have never been spiritual in the sense that you understand the word. I have never gone to the temples or churches, or read scriptures, or followed certain practices to find truth, or prayed to God. This has not been my way at all. To me spirituality hjas a totally different connotation. It needs an honest individuality..

It does not allow any kind of dependence. It creates a freedom for itself ,whatever the cost.

It is never in the crowd but alone, because the crowd has never foudn any truth.

Spiritual, to me, simply means finding oneself. I never allowed anybody to do theis work on my behalf---because nobody can do this work on your behalf; you have to do it yourself."


from AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A
SPIRITUALLY INCORRECT MYSTIC
OSHO


St, Martin's Press
New York
2000

[kasalt]

"Rajneesh created his Oregon desert commune from his own powerful mind and named it "Rajneeshpuram." He made himself the ultimate dictator, his picture placed everywhere as in an Orwellian bad dream. J. Krishnamurti called Rajneesh a "criminal" and Rajneeshpuram "a concentration camp under the dictatorship of enlightenment." Poonjaji, Ramana Maharshi's famous student, refered to Rajneesh as "a pig" for building himself up in the eyes of his disciples to dishonest proportions. Poonjaji's position was that even the enlightened remain human beings, not saints or superheroes, and that we all share the same cosmic identity no matter what our class and social standing.

"U.G. Krishnamurti, a famous maverick anti-guru, was even more critical of Rajneesh. During the mid 1970s Rajneesh deemphasized his own meditation methods and started selling Western style group therapies as a way to gain income. It was difficult to make money from authentic meditation techniques because they are all easy to learn and can be done alone, without the aid of a teacher. One of the groups Rajneesh sold to students was the "Tantra" group, which was basically just male and female disciples having sex with each other. U.G. Krishnamurti publicly called Rajneesh the "worlds biggest pimp" because "He made money from the boys and the girls and he kept it for himself." In 1971 Rajneesh told me directly in a face to face meeting that U.G. Krishnamurti was "realized." After much public criticism from U.G., Rajneesh counterattacked by calling U.G. a "phony guru."

http://home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html

[chandrakavi]

Kasalt,

What you are reading is part of the 96% controlled Press and Books,
one sided. It is not balanced. But it is ok, I understand your view,
and from where the one sided bibliography comes from.

[kasalt]

Kasalt,

What you are reading is part of the 96% controlled Press and Books,
one sided. It is not balanced. But it is ok, I understand your view,
and from where the one sided bibliography comes from.

I was not aware that U.G. Krishnamurti was a part of this conspiracy you refer to.

[chandrakavi]

I have read many Krishnamurti books, and like him very much. He is not part of any conspiracy.


Krishnamurti used to say that " he was not a master",(which he was), so Osho pushed many of his buttons so he would assume that he was. Before that there is a place in Osho commune called Krishnamurti house, close to the meditation hall.

When Krishnamurti died, in the OSho commune there is a big beautiful marble
rock dedicated to Krishnamurti, in front of a lake with a statue of a Buddha.

In these anti-Osho books that claim to be factual, you will find , half-truths, some twisted information , which eventually to me are hate books, which are propaganda to mold people's opinion.

But it is nothing personal, if I had read so many books like that, that would be my opinion.

Read a Osho book, not what the establishment has written about him only. And make up your own mind after that.

I won't continue posting in this thread, since I know where the "information" comes from.

Maybe David Icke was wrong and the media is not 96% controlled.
Anyone who talks against the establishment, like David Icke or Osho or anyone else, will
GET BAD PRESS, BOOKS etc by ALL MEANS. If one keeps looking for quotes in anti-Osho books you will find these half-truths, which seem true. But you are not told the entire story, just an interpretation.

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EVERYTHING IS A CULT, tv, media, organized religions,
anti-osho people, anti-icke people, icke people, anti-osho books,etc. you name it it is there.
But people don't feel they are part of a cult, but they are.
This thread is a cult.
Cult means a small group of people around a master, an idea,
tthat's how everything in life starts. Sometimes it even starts with someone having a dream about something.

INFINITE LOVE TO YOU

[kasalt]

I have read many Krishnamurti books, and like him very much. He is not part of any conspiracy.

I don't know why you wouldn't think they were part of the conspiracy. You seem to think that anyone who has anything critical to say about Osho is either part of, or has bought into, a conspiracy. Both Jiddu Krishnamurti and U.G. Krishnamurti were very critical of Rajneesh. Jiddu Krishnamurti called Rajneesh a "criminal" and Rajneeshpuram "a concentration camp under the dictatorship of enlightenment", and U.G. Krishnamurti publicly called Rajneesh the "worlds biggest pimp" because "he made money from the boys and the girls and he kept it for himself."

In these anti-Osho books that claim to be factual, you will find , half-truths, some twisted information , which eventually to me are hate books, which are propaganda to mold people's opinion...I won't continue posting in this thread, since I know where the "information" comes from.

I doubt that you really do, but just to make sure, I'll tell you. The information comes from long-term Rajneesh sannyasin Christopher Calder.

Maybe David Icke was wrong and the media is not 96% controlled.
Anyone who talks against the establishment, like David Icke or Osho or anyone else, will GET BAD PRESS, BOOKS etc by ALL MEANS.

Whatever David Icke would have to say about the late Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh would, in essence, be no different from the information I have posted here.

INFINITE LOVE TO YOU

Likewise.

[razed1]

i think even if all the stuff that kasalt posted is true, it doesnt change the fact that you can still learn lessons from osho


even if i was watching a lecture from the devil himself, i would be looking at exactly what the devil is saying rather than who is saying it, or what things the devil has been involved in

ppl like a.crowley and albert pike, can be put into this category, they mightve been involved in shady practices, but if you look at the stuff they talk about in their books, you can learn quite so much from them

until ppl are sophisitcated enough to take this stance, they will never know true wisdom

thats just the plain truth

[razed1]

i say the above ,because in ALL the threads ive seen regarding these ppl like osho, crolwey etc,

NOT once has anybody ever objected to what the person is saying and provided a strong counter argument, its always stuff about which group this person was involved in, who was linked to who, who did what when etc etc


but i havent seen anyone actually talking about what is being said by the person

[rossus]

but i havent seen anyone actually talking about what is being said by the person
i have talked about what he says,
maybe you have not seen it.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=172718&highlight=osho+cult#post172718

osho's teachings is polluted.
it's not completely lie, but it's truth mixed with lies...

so, Osho be gone!
Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj are much better.
but before you read this two teacher's stuff,

it may be better to start with a teacher who explains it more simply, such as Gangaji.
it is my opinion that Nisargadatta is more precise than gangaji,

but the way he explains it, might be a bit too difficult for the beginner.
ramana maharshi i have not yet read, but he's also got a very good reputation.

[razed1]

idk i think these gurus are nothing more than teachers, and so they it should be realised they are just as much prone to human mistakes as the rest of us

just because they speak about consciousness rather than geography, doesnt mean we should hold them to such a high standard,



just listen to teh msg at hand,

if it makes sense, go for it

if it doesnt, then dont


form the clips i saw of osho speaking, it seems like sound advice, but

[rossus]

idk i think these gurus are nothing more than teachers, and so they it should be realised they are just as much prone to human mistakes as the rest of us
true that,
but one teacher is better than the next.

i agree osho can help you understand spirituality better,
than most pastors from the catholic church.
so he's not that bad. if you don't want to go deeply into it,
he may be just what you're looking for.

but if you're serious about becoming enlightened, you're better of without him than with him.
because he talks to minds about what's behind the mind,
instead of helping the minds to go beyond themself.

he did this probably because it's better to give people just a taste,
than point them to the source.

people who get just a taste, will continue to buy his books and be dependent of his material.
people who get pointed to the source, will not only no longer spend money to OSHO-Incorporated...
but they will also know when he is lying and when he is not.

[goatboyhicks]

osho is laughing at you:D

[rossus]

osho is laughing at you:D
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[goatboyhicks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In5uec02E8U


Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj would be so proud:)

[rossus]

osho is laughing at you:D
Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj would be so proud:)
call me a fool as much as you want.
but you are the one giving useless childish replies, it's time to look in the mirror.

[goatboyhicks]

I just looked in the mirror and saw I was incredibly handsome:D

[rossus]

I just looked in the mirror and saw I was incredibly handsome:D
go join your friends over at this place
http://rumormill.s4.bizhat.com/rumormill-forum-1.html

you seem to share common characteristics with them

[goatboyhicks]

go join your friends over at this place
http://rumormill.s4.bizhat.com/rumormill-forum-1.html

such hate for a boy that reads enlightened authors:(

[rossus]

such hate for a boy that reads enlightened authors:(
i don't hate you, i'm just saying you're being a troll that seems to be here only to cause trouble.

[goatboyhicks]

i don't hate you, i'm just saying you're being a troll that is here only to cause trouble.

how quick we are to jump to conclusions:)

[chandrakavi]

Look up in YOUTUBE: ONE WORLD(Osho meditation minutes)

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=OSHO%2C+ONE+WORL


NAMASTE