Ecstasy Trials Approved

[midwich cuckoo]

Sky News, Thursday February 22, 2007

Illegal dance drug ecstasy is being used to treat patients suffering Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

Authorities in Switzerland have approved the use of the drug - officially known as MDMA - for trials.

It is the first time they have given consent for the controversial treatment.

Around 12 volunteers will take part in the trials, which will end next year, and some have already completed their stint.

Peter Oehen, who is leading the scheme, said the drug would "produce a change of consciousness, a feeling of wellbeing, reduction of fear and help them face up to the very difficult feelings associated with trauma, such as anxiety".

Ecstasy has been linked to a number of deaths over the years. :rolleyes:

But experts believe controlled testing - for over 18s - will be safe, with no long-term damage.

The Swiss trial is being run alongside tests in the US, which have reportedly had favourable results.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1252768,00.html

[truthseeker1980]

I used to go raving every weekend and take loads of ecstacy, throughout the nineties up until around 2002. I can see why the drug is being used in this way as anyone whoever used to rave and take it will agree that, it does awaken certain parts of the consciousness, produce a feeling of wellbeing and reduction of fear whilst on the buzz.

Although to say it can help people face up to the very difficult feelings associated with trauma, such as anxiety, is ludicrous.

As soon as the (buzz) has worn off they will feel 100 million times worse, thus creating MDMA addicts legally.

For the thousands of ravers/clubbers who used to or still do take the drug, it is used socially and only once or twice a week usually at weekends, as anymore and the person would not be able to function.

The come down is really bad, with severe depression and a soul drained feeling lasting 2-3 days.

Anyone who is prescribed the drug, would need to take it everyday, just to stop the come down, as the come down will make them feel even worse than they did before.

So once again another drug company ploy to get the masses addicted to drugs which they need to rely on and alter the conciousness.

Incidently, my brother and myself would always have an ESP dream or out of body experience dream within 2 to 3 days after taking ecstacy, this doesn't seem to happen to all users but quite a few others also experienced it.

[eternal_spirit]

yes I've tried so called good ectasy by ppl who have taken it for years, talked alot felt happy but to be honest the whole experience is overated.
I never did get the dance music thing drum machines well too loud and repetitive loops done on a synthesiser.......seems only ppl who take alot of E can listen to this type of music.
What's the nesxt drug ? they will do trials with i wonder. LSD was hailed as a revolutioanry drug suppossed to cure schizophrenia(not sure) or some kind of mental iullness, strange thing is LSD can send ppl crazy! yikes:confused:

[midwich cuckoo]

I got into the music before the drugs. But I am a drummer and just love rythm and beats. So much so that I make my own tunes.

Truthseeker1980 I know what you mean about come downs, that's the reason I stopped taking stimulants like e and speed, I couldn't face yet another bad come down, also you really don't know what you are taking, these drugs get mixed with all sorts of shit, it's not worth dicing with death. Now if they were legal this wouldn't be a problem as there would be strict controls as to the ingredients.

LSD is an amazing life changing drug, I know from lots of experience and having a bad trip depends on mood, environment and having company you know and trust.

LSD is known to cure alcoholism and depression. Did you know that the actor Carry Grant underwent LSD therapy to cure his life long depression?. :)

[eternal_spirit]

yes but not all LSD is the same same as ectasy it can be contaminated I've had good and bad trips wouldn't take it again.
Magic mushrooms(liberty cap) are a much better way to see more of reality and a cleaner safer more natural high :) Too many storys about the CIA and mind control connected to LSD.

[midwich cuckoo]

I've heard rumours of my local council spraying areas where shrooms grow with all sorts of chemicals. So unless you grow them yourself, you still don't really know what you are taking.

Last year wasn't a very good season for me, I only managed to gather enough for 1 really good trip. hopefully this year will be better and hopefully there will be no spraying either!.

[eternal_spirit]

Me and my friends used to pick them off the churchyard, then the vicar got wise watching us crawling around on hands and knees with a plastic bag lol
next year there was no shrooms rumour was they had sprayed them killed them off with something. Then we found some fields coverd with them as far as you could see as many as you could pick, but the farmer wasn't to happy and would tell us to clear off. I've never seen a field so full for over 10 years now. Always thought the kids had beaten us to the shrooms and picked most of them. Could be killing them off with some spray these days though or is it the chaotic weather over the last decade or so affected the lack of growth:confused:
Or the worst scenario as you say something being sprayed on them to change the chemistry of the mushroom itself.

[eternal_spirit]

My tripping days are over now anway. I don't know if it could show me anymore than I've seen and experienced before.

[truthseeker1980]

Talking of shrooms, in the UK they were legal to buy from shops up until 2004, when the government decided to make the illegal again. Probably didint want people to experiement with conciousness.

Although apparently in the Grasshopper near me, there are posters everywhere saying, they are now going to become legal again this summer, as they are legal in every other country in the EU.

The one conciousness touching product which is still legal is Salvia, which i will start a new post about in the genearal forum as it really opens your mind to the matrix.

[the infinite one]

Good post.

I've heard you can get Es with no come downs, I believe you can buy them from Amsterdam called Euros.

[eternal_spirit]

Talking of shrooms, in the UK they were legal to buy from shops up until 2004, when the government decided to make the illegal again. Probably didint want people to experiement with conciousness.

Although apparently in the Grasshopper near me, there are posters everywhere saying, they are now going to become legal again this summer, as they are legal in every other country in the EU.

The one conciousness touching product which is still legal is Salvia, which i will start a new post about in the genearal forum as it really opens your mind to the matrix.

I got took to the police station with a bag of mushrooms about 15 years ago:mad: they couldn't charge me and let me go. The reason they said was because the mushrooms where fresh (not dryed or made into a powder) bastards didn't let me keep them though lol.

[cleft_asunder]

I used to go raving every weekend and take loads of ecstacy, throughout the nineties up until around 2002. I can see why the drug is being used in this way as anyone whoever used to rave and take it will agree that, it does awaken certain parts of the consciousness, produce a feeling of wellbeing and reduction of fear whilst on the buzz.

Although to say it can help people face up to the very difficult feelings associated with trauma, such as anxiety, is ludicrous.

As soon as the (buzz) has worn off they will feel 100 million times worse, thus creating MDMA addicts legally.

For the thousands of ravers/clubbers who used to or still do take the drug, it is used socially and only once or twice a week usually at weekends, as anymore and the person would not be able to function.

The come down is really bad, with severe depression and a soul drained feeling lasting 2-3 days.

Anyone who is prescribed the drug, would need to take it everyday, just to stop the come down, as the come down will make them feel even worse than they did before.

So once again another drug company ploy to get the masses addicted to drugs which they need to rely on and alter the conciousness.

Incidently, my brother and myself would always have an ESP dream or out of body experience dream within 2 to 3 days after taking ecstacy, this doesn't seem to happen to all users but quite a few others also experienced it.

Very well said my friend, and you are correct. I find it depressing how obviously right you are; we truly are living in the time of ignorance. To further confirm what you say, crank (aka methamphetimine) is a similar drug. From what I remember Ecstacy contains crank. I have taken crank about 3 times and I can tell you that the experience was exactly as you said. You feel super positive and optimistic without fear, but then a wave comes over you after a few hours and you know instantly that the high is over, and you're now in the down or low phase, which is a pessimistic hopeless depression equal to or greater than the previous high. I call these types of drugs equilibrium drugs, because there is both a high and a low. Therefore, what is the point of taking it? On top of that you will likely damage your brain.

If you're going to do drugs, do DMT (aka Dimethyltryptamine) which the brain hungers for, and produces in sleep every night. I strongly doubt you damage yourself doing DMT. Mushrooms, Reed Canary grass + syrian rue (or any MAOI inhibitor) are examples. I don't know about LSD, it may be damaging, but probably not in ocassional doses.

[cleft_asunder]

I've heard rumours of my local council spraying areas where shrooms grow with all sorts of chemicals. So unless you grow them yourself, you still don't really know what you are taking.

Last year wasn't a very good season for me, I only managed to gather enough for 1 really good trip. hopefully this year will be better and hopefully there will be no spraying either!.

I don't get shrooms. "My friend" has grown them and we've both gotten high off them, but I don't quite understand why sometimes I have a very big positive high, while other times it's almost depressing. Yes, using the same dosage. We both feel exactly the same when we take shrooms, like we're connected.

What I really don't understand above all is why mushroom spores are legal to sell. The MI6/CIA control almost the entire drug trade, and thus they can take it away anything that threatens the agenda. For example, they illegalized marijuana so that they could do three important things:

1)They needed to illegalise Hemp, which is a super-crop and grows like a weed. You can make clothes and paper out of it, and whatever else. PAPER I SAID! The implications are stagering. Hemp = Human freedom. People getting high on marijuana wasn't their main concern, and I will address that in point 3.

2)They needed a huge source of income. By illegalizing marijuana, the people wouldn't be able to produce their own. The illigalization of nature was so rediculous that naturally there is a huge demand for marijuana, and you will find that most people are for marijuana legalization, despite the polls (which are super rigged). Now the point is that since it's illegal, we need a source of it. In comes the CIA/MI6, who are above the law, and ship it in for us and we pay rediculous prices for something that should grow in abundance. They are able to fund the NWO agenda.

3)The stuff you get on the market is probably heavily tainted with chemicals. Also, the seeds probably are ALL genetically modified so that they modify you. This is my theory and I lean towards it. And in regards to getting high and being a peace-loving pacifist and all that, well that's a threat to them too. However, I don't think the pot we're smoking now is real shit. Maybe the stuff untainted by the Illuminati will produce O.B.E.'s. Maybe it regenerates health rather than deminishes it. What I'm saying is that the shit we're getting on the market fucks us up and makes us stupid, primarily when smoked every day or more than once a week.

Back to mushrooms. What is that deal with it? The spores are legal and that has profound implications. Why do they want us to experiment with Mushrooms, Banisteriopsis Caapi, MAOI inhibitors like Syrian Rue, et cetera? Maybe there's something simple I'm missing.

[eternal_spirit]

Still good quality marijuana about, it wouldn't be good for business if it was all bad. They wouldn't want to kill everyone off they need customers.
Strange to think there is a government anti smoking campaign while if it's true that mi5 are the biggest dope dealers:mad:

[eternal_spirit]

The ectasy trials...if it becomes available on prescription or in the shops lol
many books science fiction usually lol called soma but we have alcohol allready as the legal high as societies norm.

Could it be thatmore and more ppl allready use ilegal ways to get high and the governements figure for drug taking are reported as smaller than they are in reality.

It's bound to be addicitive if it ever becomes legal. Could it be a new mix of a drug never used before added (secret ingredients) Maybe that's where all the mushrooms have gone the illuminati government drug companys have been stock piling them to make a new wonder drug lmao.:rolleyes:

[freethinker]

both LSD and Ecstacy were invented to treat mental illnesses

so it makes perfect sense that is why it is being used to treat people

i saw a TV program where it also cures people of parkinsons disease !!

[cleft_asunder]

both LSD and Ecstacy were invented to treat mental illnesses

so it makes perfect sense that is why it is being used to treat people

i saw a TV program where it also cures people of parkinsons disease !!

I have done LSD, and it was a magical time to say the least. I have not done ecstacy but if all variants contain meth then the real agenda is about hooking people on it, so that people are robbed of their money and sanity, and the agenda is futher funded. Meth = severe depression after the high.

[eternal_spirit]

The man who invented lsd took it in very small doses and never took it again for many years don't think the guy ever had a full blown trip! Maybe he knew the real reason what it was to be used for...... what ever that may be:confused:

Timothy Leary the 60's LSD guru was conrolled by the CIA some say and LSD was not about love and free thinking but another tool for mind control. It goes hand in hand with the New Agers some of who have created a dogmatic belief system on par with organised Religion.

BTW magic mushrooms where reclassified to a class A drug even when fresh here in the Uk not long ago.:eek:

[midwich cuckoo]

both LSD and Ecstacy were invented to treat mental illnesses

so it makes perfect sense that is why it is being used to treat people

i saw a TV program where it also cures people of parkinsons disease !!

LSD was not invented, rather it was 'stumbled upon' whilst investigating ergot.

Here's a great documentary -

LSD - The Beyond Within (http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=5904240612788659431&esrc=sr14&ev=v&q=genre:SCI_TECH&vidurl=http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D5904240612788659431%26q%3Dgenr e%253ASCI_TECH&usg=AL29H207osPLVP6OW-VcHTFWESoaMvyGww)

LSD has been used in mind control but it certainly is not just used for this purpose, the same with hypnosis. Evil people will use whatever is at hand but it doesn't make the tool evil.

LSD is wonderful and always will be. Only people are evil.
(http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=5904240612788659431&esrc=sr14&ev=v&q=genre:SCI_TECH&vidurl=http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D5904240612788659431%26q%3Dgenr e%253ASCI_TECH&usg=AL29H207osPLVP6OW-VcHTFWESoaMvyGww)

[harpalchemist]

I am in my 30's and have taken mdma a few times,and it has been a fantastic help.I am a musician and do not listen to computer music.I thoroughly enjoyed it,no come down just tiredness and it has had a positive effect on my life ever since.As Bill Hicks said"I'm not promoting it and I'm not denying it,lets hear the whole fucking story".Exactly.