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dharma mann
22-02-2007, 01:21 PM
Hi all,

Here we go again with the 'animal rights are terrorists' blag.

I have just read that police have closed down animal rights stalls due to them allegedly being 'extremists'. The police have offered no proof to this and I fear that it is just another extension on the smear campaign on people who support animal rights and object to the routine murder, torture and abuse of animals. I am not an animal rights activist by the way, however, there is no denying that this is what happens. I may not agree with many policies that animal rights group support but as a free-thinking human being I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that animals have the same consciousness as humans do, who are animals after all is said and done. They feel pain, they have an awareness of death and have distinctly unique personalities, a fact which anyone who has any spent any length of time with an animal will tell you. Even insects have their own personality and I do not mean a projected 'humanisation' of personality, I mean definite characteristics to each individual being.

With regard to the police closing down these animal rights stalls with no apparent evidence showing the alleged links is just wrong on all levels. The police would be better off closing down other 'charities' such as Help The Aged because while many people assume that this money goes to help the aged, it does not.

They spend more money on organising fundraising events and selling goods (£37.6 million in 2006) than they do on actually helping the aged (a paltry £32 million, £8.2 million of which was spent abroad). Even when they do 'help' it isn't directly for the aged's benefit, it is spent on research and lobbying government.

Generally, and I mean extremely generally, most charities operate like this and are nothing more than corporations and big business at the highest levels. They are run by business men looking for a way to earn tax-free money. The sooner this bunch of real criminals are exposed the better because the general public are being taken for a ride and are genuinely donating because they think that they are really directly helping those they are donating for, which was true once upon a time. Nowadays it isn't like that and the intended recipient receives no direct benefit at all.

They would be better putting money in people's hands and making sure they have enough food, warmth and care.

Check out Help the Aged's site and financial information at
http://www.helptheaged.org.uk/en-gb/WhatWeDo/FactsAndFigures/WhatWeveAchieved/default.htm

Let us shift the balance away from these corrupt, business minded people and back to the ordinary folk.

lookfar
22-02-2007, 01:38 PM
Hi there

Was this instance in the UK? Although it doesn't really surprise me anymore - it's just another way of exerting power to control the masses and stop our freedom of speech :mad:

I totally agree with you on the animal front, we're all here for a purpose and are all connected. I'm also not an animal rights activist as some policies are quite extreme, but understand their frustrations.

A few years ago I contributed monthly to various charities through a Matched Giving Scheme at work (Survival International, WWF, PDSA, Red Cross etc) but stopped as I wasn't sure where all the money was going? I'm sure some aren't as bad as others, but it does make you wonder.

dharma mann
22-02-2007, 09:48 PM
Hi lookfar, it was in London where this happened. I can see that there may be potential for the funding of some animal rights 'extremists' through some fundraising events but as usual the media and police play up the hype with their periodic mantra about animal rights 'extremism'.

I wasn't really surprised either. I spread the word where I can in a fine and balanced way and what does surprise me is the amount of people who actually agree but cannot find an outlet for their frustrations due to thinking that nothing can be done.

I feel there is a change in the general public where people are becoming more switched on and it makes me smile to think of where we could be when we all pull together. I live to see that day :)

lookfar
22-02-2007, 10:58 PM
Hi lookfar, it was in London where this happened. I can see that there may be potential for the funding of some animal rights 'extremists' through some fundraising events but as usual the media and police play up the hype with their periodic mantra about animal rights 'extremism'.

I wasn't really surprised either. I spread the word where I can in a fine and balanced way and what does surprise me is the amount of people who actually agree but cannot find an outlet for their frustrations due to thinking that nothing can be done.

I feel there is a change in the general public where people are becoming more switched on and it makes me smile to think of where we could be when we all pull together. I live to see that day :)

It's not good that they're stopping these protests without there even being any trouble. Hope it has the opposite effect & makes people even more determined to act.

Yeah I agree about the change. PETA are a good organisation and seem to be doing the right thing. I also look forward to the time when people all pull together for the good of the innocent creatures.

I've been checking out their site & there are quite a few ways we can all help, I'll be doing some with my son for sure & hope more people will also...:)
http://www.peta.org/actioncenter/make-a-difference.asp

eternal_spirit
24-02-2007, 07:15 PM
I agree animals have souls feelings emotions etc my cat an dog have higher morals than alot of humans I Know, and I can trust them they have no hidden agenda.

As for the so called animal rights extremists, where is the proof that they rarley if ever cause any harm to anyone.:confused: i've yet to see
any.
Drugs tested on animals may well be used for humans in some cases.
But the real test is how will these drugs effect humans, no one knows for sure until humans take these drugs.
Why not experiment on the terminally ill what have they got to loose by being guinea pigs? If i was terminally ill i would rather be a guine pig and test new drugs rather than some poor creature in a laboratory.:mad:

lookfar
24-02-2007, 09:34 PM
I agree animals have souls feelings emotions etc my cat an dog have higher morals than alot of humans I Know, and I can trust them they have no hidden agenda.

As for the so called animal rights extremists, where is the proof that they rarley if ever cause any harm to anyone.:confused: i've yet to see
any.
Drugs tested on animals may well be used for humans in some cases.
But the real test is how will these drugs effect humans, no one knows for sure until humans take these drugs.
Why not experiment on the terminally ill what have they got to loose by being guinea pigs? If i was terminally ill i would rather be a guine pig and test new drugs rather than some poor creature in a laboratory.:mad:

Hi there

I agree, my trust in animals is complete, you know where you are with them for sure :)

Although there has been the odd case with extremists where animals have been freed from their confines, but are not used to fending for themselves, which doesn't really help.

I have even more extreme views on animal testing. I think they should stop that completely & use real human subjects (proven murderers/child molestors etc who are on life-imprisonment/death row!) could save tax payers money & work wonders for medical research too :)