Mind Controlling seems unbeleivable

[tiswas]

I actually have read the books, 'Transformation of America', 'thanks for the memory' and others of the same ilk.
But what is the reason for all this scenerio, why are (the alleged perpurtrators) doing this. and don't some need some more PROOF.
the pictures in o'brien's book shows herself, her kid (who may of been photographed during a do with Boxcar and some business cards of phillips.

[tiswas]

Is there no photos of O Brien in the White House. Unfortunately, these allegations will invite mocking for they are so
unbeleivable

[rossus]

I read some O'Brien stuff too.
She sound so convincing i could believe her, but i don't...
because if what she says is the truth..

i figure they'd not let her get away with it and kill her.
there's countless ways to kill someone and make it seem like an accident or a natural death.

[pollock]

I wouldn't write of a whole fenomena just because one person seems unbelievable!

There are many ways to manipulate someones mind!

F

[tiswas]

My main beef is WHY? WHY? WHY?
She claims it was Gerald 'porn king' ford who sucked her into this web and she was classed as a preseidential model. Some of it should be taken into court, but why not. Oh it a national security matter.:confused::confused::confused:

[soglad]

I love the cat in your avatar Tiswas.

I've always viewed you as a Cat who somehow developed the ability to type! HAHA

[tiswas]

My cat is a truthseeker, and it can smell trouble anywhere.
But to this topic, did Father George Bush have all this time to do what he did?

[deca]

why have the people who mind fucked her not sued ?
surly if she made it up and is unbelievable then they would have an easy case and get the book to correct all the errors and lies, why has this not happend?

[strider]

In the words of Bill Hicks: You are paying a higher psychic price than you will ever know folks...

[tiswas]

Yes this is my argument, this could go into court as libel, or justice... if true.

[deca]

Yes this is my argument, this could go into court as libel, or justice... if true.

Why have they not thou?

[tiswas]

I knew you would pop into the conversation Strider, the forum you're in like a Ghost Town, eh?
Please look after it because we are discussing TRUTHSEEKING.

[soglad]

Tiswas, it would be nice if you could use smaller fonts. Nobody else is fighting to get their opinions out there! Quality over quantity!

[strider]

Quality over quantity!

Exactly :D

[strider]

I knew you would pop into the conversation Strider, the forum you're in like a Ghost Town, eh?
Please look after it because we are discussing TRUTHSEEKING.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/strider6666/imgphp-4.jpg

[tiswas]

Small fonts OK, but when I will remember to spread the truthseeking - which I know I know plenty about.
But to the subject, these business cards of Phillips look anywhere made.

[deca]

I am remote mind control & electronic harassment victim, in one way i am lucky as i don`t get the physical abuse that cathy got only what they can remotely manipulated my body.I also know that they go to unbelievable lengths to keep this covered up, in some cases giving some victims unbelievable experience's ether real or false memories and other mind tricks so if the victim speaks out what happens it sounds impossible.

[pollock]

Small fonts OK, but when I will remember to spread the truthseeking - which I know I know plenty about.
But to the subject, these business cards of Phillips look anywhere made.

You don't have a modest bone in you, do you?
To be humble is a virtue you know, also people tend to be suspicious of people who need to keep pushing the same facts!
If you are truly great you dont have to tell people about it, It will show in your manner of conducting yourself!

Love
F

[strider]

You don't have a modest bone in you, do you?
To be humble is a virtue you know, also people tend to be suspicious of people who need to keep pushing the same facts!
If you are truly great you dont have to tell people about it, It will show in your manner of conducting yourself!

Love
F

Well said, though I think it will be falling on deaf ears..:D

[deca]

Its supposed to sound unbelievable, what if mind control was believable, what if all the victims sounded believable and sane, people than would have to do something about it, What is a mind control victim ment to sound like?

[tiswas]

I like me very much, because I always get to the bottoms of things. I listen to both sides of the story, do you????:)

[pollock]

Yes!
Btw, what happened to the small fonts?

F

[deca]

Project MKULTRA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

it seems tiwas you are more interested in causing arguments than finding the truth.

President Clinton Apologizes for MK Ultra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u22mphQsn5s

[strider]

it seems tiwas you are more interested in causing arguments than finding the truth.


Seems like someone else has sussed you out in just a couple of posts tiswas...

[lydia78]

Seems like someone else has sussed you out in just a couple of posts tiswas...

Doesn't take columbo for the job though does it LOL

[deca]

i figure they'd not let her get away with it and kill her.
there's countless ways to kill someone and make it seem like an accident or a natural death.


what if she was the lucky one, with Marks help manged to get her in a position were bumping here off would make her claims stronger.

Maybe others were too scared or dead to come forward.

[strider]

Doesn't take columbo for the job though does it LOL

Not really :rolleyes: though I might have to text ironside for a second opinion :cool:

[deca]

See how people don`t want to talk about mind control or electronic harassment
as it opens up a can of worms for the establishment.
So along as they can keep it unbelievable then they can get away with it.

[lydia78]

Not really :rolleyes: though I might have to text ironside for a second opinion :cool:

Miss marple would get to the bottom of it though
she's as sly as a fox :D;)

[lydia78]

See how people don`t want to talk about mind control or electronic harassment
as it opens up a can of worms for the establishment.
So along as they can keep it unbelievable then they can get away with it.

Absolutely agree. Which is why 'norms' were created,
anyone deviates from the norm and they're labelled paranoid,
crazy etc etc...to be 'normal' in society is to be mindcontrolled.

[deca]

Absolutely agree. Which is why 'norms' were created,
anyone deviates from the norm and they're labelled paranoid,
crazy etc etc...to be 'normal' in society is to be mindcontrolled.

yep agree with that

I think also MP`s and public figures main job is to reassure the "norms" everything is fine and dandy and any "problem" they will sort out with an inquiry and then tell "the norms" the findings ....so just be normal folks theres nothing to worry about, just let your MPs/ public figures control your life.

[i_am]

It is only unbelievable to people who are still locked into the five sense reality. Truth is much, much stranger than fiction.

In fact most things that were once considered fiction are now accepted as fact.

Take space travel for instance; it is not that long ago that people laughed at these way out ideas, ideas that are now accepted as the 'norm'.

[tiswas]

Why strider do you think you are always right, IS IT because you are drunk with power on the ghosttown forums. You will never suss me out OK.
And this conversation was about truthseeking, not the thoughts of what you are suspicious of.
My argument in all this Mind Control is WHY did this happen, and WHAT was the motive.:confused:

[strider]

Why strider do you think you are always right, IS IT because you are drunk with power on the ghosttown forums. You will never suss me out OK.


I don't think I am always right, but I HAVE sussed you out, along with most people you come into contact on here...

[deca]

Cats theres no such thing I would of seen one by now, its just made up by paranoid delusional goldfish.http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/86/49/23444986.jpg

[tiswas]

I have sussed you out, but you haven't to me.
Please let us get on with this conversation and you get on with your own conversations OK.
You are a person who hates to see a person who is more brighter, clever and intelligent and knows more. And as a classic bully you will try to bring more on your side. I DO NOT CARE FOR I CAN PLAY THIS GAME.
Learn some new things please and see the bigger picture.

[deca]

tiswas, we are not gang up on you,you are paranoid!!!!:D

[strider]

I have sussed you out, but you haven't to me.
Please let us get on with this conversation and you get on with your own conversations OK.
You are a person who hates to see a person who is more brighter, clever and intelligent and knows more. And as a classic bully you will try to bring more on your side. I DO NOT CARE FOR I CAN PLAY THIS GAME.
Learn some new things please and see the bigger picture.

O.k., Tell me then, what exactly is the bigger picture?

[i_am]

I have sussed you out, but you haven't to me.
Please let us get on with this conversation and you get on with your own conversations OK.
You are a person who hates to see a person who is more brighter, clever and intelligent and knows more. And as a classic bully you will try to bring more on your side. I DO NOT CARE FOR I CAN PLAY THIS GAME.
Learn some new things please and see the bigger picture.


Please tiswas, enlighten us mere mortals. What is the bigger picture?

I really would like to hear your thoughts on the nature of reality and what you believe the future holds in store for us.

[eternal_spirit]

tiswas, we are not gang up on you,you are paranoid!!!!:D
.................

Probably heard this next line before. I may be paranoid, but it doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

[tiswas]

Strider and all read my threads cos I am NOT A ONE TRACK PONY, I AM NOT A YES-PERSON AND i DO NOT BELEIVE ANYTHING AT FIRST. when i beleive it is good endorsement, and currently I have read this cathy o'brien book, and why is there no photos of her with this Alex Houston, a bubblegum card photo of an alleged abuser, but the reason is WHY is the happening.

[strider]

Strider and all read my threads cos I am NOT A ONE TRACK PONY, I AM NOT A YES-PERSON AND i DO NOT BELEIVE ANYTHING AT FIRST. when i beleive it is good endorsement, and currently I have read this cathy o'brien book, and why is there no photos of her with this Alex Houston, a bubblegum card photo of an alleged abuser, but the reason is WHY is the happening.

So why won't or can't you answer a genuine question that i_am asked you, instead of rabbitting bollocks in replies?

Please tiswas, enlighten us mere mortals. What is the bigger picture?

I really would like to hear your thoughts on the nature of reality and what you believe the future holds in store for us.


I am now not the only one who is on to your bull shit, and if you really want to be exposed, then carry on arguing with tin..

I'll be sitting back with a cuppa and watching.. Though it will be like watching a domestic kitten fighting with a Lion.. Should be fun :rolleyes:

[tiswas]

TINSOMETHING IS ON MY IGNORE LIST - sorry I don't bother with Yes-persons OK.:)

[strider]

TINSOMETHING IS ON MY IGNORE LIST - sorry I don't bother with Yes-persons OK.:)

That will be your best bet as she will blow your whole pathetic cover wide open..

[auron]

I've never understood why someone would put someone on the ignore list??

Surely it would just confuse you, when someone replies to your ignored person?? :D

[lydia78]

TINSOMETHING IS ON MY IGNORE LIST - sorry I don't bother with Yes-persons OK.:)

But Tiswas, you invited Tin to the party when you labelled her
you can't run away from the flames you encourage.
Starting an arguement then hitting the ignore button
is not a testimony of anything but cowardice and shit stirring.

[strider]

But Tiswas, you invited Tin to the party when you labelled her
you can't run away from the flames you encourage.
Starting an arguement then hitting the ignore button
is not a testimony of anything but cowardice and shit stirring.

You took the words right out of my mouth....minus the swear words of course :rolleyes:

But alas, we both know that you will not get a well rounded intelligent argument..

[lydia78]

You took the words right out of my mouth....minus the swear words of course :rolleyes:

But alas, we both know that you will not get a well rounded intelligent argument..

LOL...opps swear words lol
probably on the ignore list now anyway,
actually how does that work, does the ignore button actually cancel out other fm's replies? Or as auron said..does it get confusing?lol

[strider]

LOL...opps swear words lol
probably on the ignore list now anyway,
actually how does that work, does the ignore button actually cancel out other fm's replies? Or as auron said..does it get confusing?lol

Well you need to go to their profile and do it from there..

I ignored phoebe for a while, and all you see in their reply is their name and nothing else..:cool:

[lydia78]

Well you need to go to their profile and do it from there..

I ignored phoebe for a while, and all you see in their reply is their name and nothing else..:cool:

Ahh, the mystique of the ignore button lol
cheers for letting me know!!:D;)

[auron]

Ahh, the mystique of the ignore button lol
cheers for letting me know!!:D;)

I'm going to try it out for a minute, just to see what it looks like. :D

[auron]

It's bullshit!!

All i get is this where the post should be:

This message is hidden because tiswas is on your ignore list.

How lame. :rolleyes:

[davidbarstis]

Why strider do you think you are always right, IS IT because you are drunk with power on the ghosttown forums. You will never suss me out OK.
And this conversation was about truthseeking, not the thoughts of what you are suspicious of.
My argument in all this Mind Control is WHY did this happen, and WHAT was the motive.:confused:

You know what I do when I want answers? I go look myself. Even then, you may or may not find all the answers, but why ask us? Go do your own research. Anyone can write a believable book which can be a complete lie. If you don't like the book, put it down and walk away. If it interests you and raises questions, look for answers. If you can't find the answers, then keep looking. I have found a ton of info on my own that corroberate some of these books so I think it's funny when people criticize them because they think they can sit in their house all day and find the answers on the internet. It doesn't work that way.

[dondaz]

And as a classic bully you will try to bring more on your side.

I was the bully yesterday, Strider is the bully today:confused:

Who's getting the label tomorrow tiswas?

[strider]

I was the bully yesterday, Strider is the bully today:confused:

Who's getting the label tomorrow tiswas?

No one, cause apparently she's not coming back..

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12360

I just can't wait to see what she comes up with as an excuse to be back here :D

[adimon]

As previously mentioned, the MK Ultra program is real, and had some tragic casualties. I've no doubt there have been, and may be other MI experiments into other kinds of suggestion and 'mind control'.

The idea espoused by Naked Gun and Manchurian Candidate is less realistic than a scenario where over a period of time a person has had the initial suggestion reinforced to the point they will commit quite extreme acts upon in - e.g. Sirhan Sirhan.

Personally, I think Kathy O'Brien is a liar or mentally ill, but certainly a self-publicist, and her claims are not only fraudulent but there needs be no burden of proof, because there are plenty of people who make all kinds of outrageous claims about authority fiigures, most getting far less publicity.

But even with the book, and the public appearances, not enough people hear or believe her lies for Bush etc to need to worry about the trouble of a court case.

The Queen is quite possibly aware that DI believes her to be a reptile, but there would be no benefit to her in taking David to court. How does one prove one is not a reptile anyway?

It is not logical to deduce that because someone does not subpoena in reaction to another's slander/libel, that the slander must be true. Read into the case of George Galloway if you don't follow MY logic on this issue.

It's so easy to invent a story and purport it as the truth. If a person really had been through what Kathy claims, I think they would be fighting a bit harder for their 'truth' and damning evidence, than for publicity and book dollars.

[lilly555]

I love the cat in your avatar Tiswas.

I've always viewed you as a Cat who somehow developed the ability to type! HAHA
hehehe me too:D
Why strider do you think you are always right, IS IT because you are drunk with power on the ghosttown forums.
Hey that was my line..you stole it:rolleyes:

Maybe it wouldn't be such a ghost-town if strider hadn't banned you from it.:eek::D

[john white]

Mind Controlling seems unbeleivable

Effective mind control always does

[razed1]

even the fact that ppl in the 'civilised' world wear CLOTHES, this is an ancient mind control technique that has lasted for thousands of years


apart from extreme weather conditions, we dont wear clothes other than to "hide our shame"


if you look at tribes living separate from the 'civilised' world, for example in africa somewhere, there not covered they, the women dont wear anything over there breasts

this illuminati is what brough in this idea of shame and covering up and demonizing SEX

this is ALL MIND CONTROL, an arcane version that is so ROOTED in your everday being you never even question it


so mind control is not just cathy obrien and cia programs and dr. mengele


theyve have played with our minds since DAY 1!


but of course, you couldnt convince yuppies nowadays to even consider this possibility

[adimon]

apart from extreme weather conditions, we dont wear clothes other than to "hide our shame"


I'm not sure where you live, but I'd make myself ill if I didn't wear something to keep myself warm most of the year round. :D

Since I don't believe in the Eden story, I think when we spread out from the cradle of civilisation, we had to find something to compensate for the cooler climate.

[razed1]

I'm not sure where you live, but I'd make myself ill if I didn't wear something to keep myself warm most of the year round. :D

Since I don't believe in the Eden story, I think when we spread out from the cradle of civilisation, we had to find something to compensate for the cooler climate.

yea thats what i said , apart from weather conditions, obviously youre gonna wear stuff to keep you warm

but if left to natural evolution, ppl generally wanna live in warm weather year round, like south america, africa /india , here clothes isnt really necessary


but just becuase you dont beleive in the eden story doenst mean theres no truth to it

i can say i dont beleive in secret societies, like most yuppies say, but that doenst change reality

[adimon]

but just becuase you dont beleive in the eden story doenst mean theres no truth to it

i can say i dont beleive in secret societies, like most yuppies say, but that doenst change reality

Are you a Christian? What is your interpretation of Eden?

I know that secret societies exist, because of evidence. There is no evidence for Eden. And there is evidence disproving it. Figures, no?

[razed1]

the eden story is a symbolic telling of what happened when we were first genetically manipulated by the ancestors of the illuminati, who virally invaded our sacred earth

you should check the michael tsarion talk on atlantis and genetic manipulation, its on google video


essentially the roles of the the god and the snake in the garden are reveresed from what it generally believed nowadays

[razed1]

and dont forget there are TWO trees mentioned in the bible

the tree of knowledge of good and evil = the magic mushroom

and the tree of life = DNA


with knowledge of DNA, its possible to extend your physical life and characteristics, but hte anicent put it in a more poetic way, the tree of life, sounds better that DeoxyriboNucleicAcid :cool:

also should mention that, as david icke has even realized, your DNA is the connection between consciousness and the physical

all this stuff about we create our reality, and mind over matter, this is done through the DNA

your dna is made up of 2 things, WATER and LiGhT, light being SPIRIT/CONSCIOUSNESS and of course, think how much clean (unflouridated) water is important to you health

[adimon]

the eden story is a symbolic telling of what happened when we were first genetically manipulated by the ancestors of the illuminati, who virally invaded our sacred earth

you should check the michael tsarion talk on atlantis and genetic manipulation, its on google video


essentially the roles of the the god and the snake in the garden are reveresed from what it generally believed nowadays

OK razed1 I think we should leave it there. I've looked at loads of the Atlantean stuff but there's absolutely no evidence there. The world was not created in 4004 BC, or even 6000 BC.

I find it quite interesting that people can indicate symbolism as a reason for believing something, e.g. in reptilians controlling secret societies, but don't stop to consider that reptiles may be an invention of aforementioned societies.

This goes to show that symbolism might be interesting, but it's of no real value to me, I'm afraid. Because you can read into it whatever you think.

[adimon]

and dont forget there are TWO trees mentioned in the bible

the tree of knowledge of good and evil = the magic mushroom

and the tree of life = DNA


with knowledge of DNA, its possible to extend your physical life and characteristics, but hte anicent put it in a more poetic way, the tree of life, sounds better that DeoxyriboNucleicAcid :cool:

also should mention that, as david icke has even realized, your DNA is the connection between consciousness and the physical

all this stuff about we create our reality, and mind over matter, this is done through the DNA

your dna is made up of 2 things, WATER and LiGhT, light being SPIRIT/CONSCIOUSNESS and of course, think how much clean (unflouridated) water is important to you health

How terribly logical. I'm glad you looked at the world rationally in order to come to your conclusions.

[razed1]

OK razed1 I think we should leave it there. I've looked at loads of the Atlantean stuff but there's absolutely no evidence there. The world was not created in 4004 BC, or even 6000 BC.

I find it quite interesting that people can indicate symbolism as a reason for believing something, e.g. in reptilians controlling secret societies, but don't stop to consider that reptiles may be an invention of aforementioned societies.

This goes to show that symbolism might be interesting, but it's of no real value to me, I'm afraid. Because you can read into it whatever you think.


you assume too much

i never said the world was created 8000 yrs ago,

you speak on a subject and are ready to dismiss knowledge based on YOUR incomplete research

but hey, its your journey

[gorgeousbutterfly]

I love the cat in your avatar Tiswas.

I've always viewed you as a Cat who somehow developed the ability to type! HAHA


LMAO! ME TOO . i think of tiswas as a cat who talks on the board.

[adimon]

you assume too much

i never said the world was created 8000 yrs ago,

you speak on a subject and are ready to dismiss knowledge based on YOUR incomplete research

but hey, its your journey

I'm not assuming anything.

I didn't say that you did say the world was created 8000yrs ago.

Dismiss knowledge? I acknowledge knowledge. Show me evidence and research.

My incomplete research? Since you know so much about me and my research, why don't you tell me where 'my journey' is going? ;)

[malvern]

mind control is everywhere, they spend millions on it... even the simple stuff ie what toothpaste you use, or what cat food you buy (cats everwhere)... When you walk into a shop you buy what you think you need but you mind picks up only one type, this is branding and brand control is power.... think for your selfs...... MIND CONTROL IS EVERYWHERE


freedom for all:)

[razed1]

This goes to show that symbolism might be interesting, but it's of no real value to me, I'm afraid. Because you can read into it whatever you think.

this statement alone shows how much more you have to learn

[abrilliantone]

why have the people who mind fucked her not sued ?
surly if she made it up and is unbelievable then they would have an easy case and get the book to correct all the errors and lies, why has this not happend?

And the same thing could be said about David Icke and his reptile theories. Why hasn't he been sued either?

[razed1]

And the same thing could be said about David Icke and his reptile theories. Why hasn't he been sued either?

thats is very true, i see so many yuppies on here scoffing at lizard ppl, well if someone were to make such BOLD accusation of the ROYAL family of england, ya think they would be sued for slander


and the fact that david has said his ealrier talks, he would have like 2 ppl in the audience and within 10 yrs, hes having 2000+ ppl, this is sure sign of ascension

[adimon]

this statement alone shows how much more you have to learn

This statement alone shows how much I can learn from you, oh wise one ;)

[adimon]

And the same thing could be said about David Icke and his reptile theories. Why hasn't he been sued either?

thats is very true, i see so many yuppies on here scoffing at lizard ppl, well if someone were to make such BOLD accusation of the ROYAL family of england, ya think they would be sued for slander


Already covered this. Though you chose to ignore it.

Personally, I think Kathy O'Brien is a liar or mentally ill, but certainly a self-publicist, and her claims are not only fraudulent but there needs be no burden of proof, because there are plenty of people who make all kinds of outrageous claims about authority fiigures, most getting far less publicity.

But even with the book, and the public appearances, not enough people hear or believe her lies for Bush etc to need to worry about the trouble of a court case.

The Queen is quite possibly aware that DI believes her to be a reptile, but there would be no benefit to her in taking David to court. How does one prove one is not a reptile anyway?

It is not logical to deduce that because someone does not subpoena in reaction to another's slander/libel, that the slander must be true. Read into the case of George Galloway if you don't follow MY logic on this issue.

It's so easy to invent a story and purport it as the truth. If a person really had been through what Kathy claims, I think they would be fighting a bit harder for their 'truth' and damning evidence, than for publicity and book dollars.

Why would the Queen, Bush et al even bother listening a second time to the drivel that people have conceived in their mentally-ill minds?

[razed1]

Already covered this. Though you chose to ignore it.



Why would the Queen, Bush et al even bother listening a second time to the drivel that people have conceived in their mentally-ill minds?

dude, you are so far off, it doesnt even warrant a reply

but never forget

"There are more things in heaven and earth, adimon,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy"

[seanx]

Quote:
Yes this is my argument, this could go into court as libel, or justice... if true.

Why have they not thou?

To win such a case in the Americam legal system.

1. Have you got a billion dollars to spare?

2. And a few lifetimes!

They would look for judicial reviews, constitutional clarifications
papers- you name it - and that would be only on the type of paper
clips you're using.

It's their system- they've spent centuries creating and refining it.

And the purpose? POWER.

These women like Kathy OBrien are the experiment.

They are used to test theories on - to see what works
and what doesn't.

Also behind it all is the desire for total power over 'woman'.
To own her totally as a sex object.

Sex, for example is the motivating power behind most of
these abuse rituals.

That's why most of these presidential models are beautiful
women. Marylin Monroe was almost certainly used and abused in
this way.

So the purpose is the oldest story in the world - the obtainment of
perfect power and control.

[adimon]

dude, you are so far off, it doesnt even warrant a reply


WTF? I dont warrant a reply?

Maybe you'll answer this question?

If I was to tell a story about how I was a rentboy that escaped Bohemian Grove, and fleshed out my story with all kinds of details, and made accusations of rape and abuse against top authority figures, would you believe me by default.

Do you believe that HIV causes AIDS by default?

Do you believe that the Apollo 11 footage is genuine by default?

What evidence - outside of her book - is there to support Kathy's claims?

[razed1]

WTF? I dont warrant a reply?

Maybe you'll answer this question?

If I was to tell a story about how I was a rentboy that escaped Bohemian Grove, and fleshed out my story with all kinds of details, and made accusations of rape and abuse against top authority figures, would you believe me by default.

Do you believe that HIV causes AIDS by default?

Do you believe that the Apollo 11 footage is genuine by default?

What evidence - outside of her book - is there to support Kathy's claims?

youre getting some things mixed up here

i dont equate hiv, moonlandings, with cathy obrien,

the ppl that are runnings at the top of the pyramid are very FEW in numbers, theyr whole house of cards is standing based on secrets and fear, and also the creation of $$, its not like ppl who are in teh alphabet agenices know whats goin on in the big picture,

its simply not beneficial for them to go after cathy obrien or arizona wilder

cause how many yuppies are gonna beleive that the bushes and royals do blood sacrifices of babies?? itll actually have the reverse effect if they do pursue them

you mention bohemian grove, even like 5 years ago the mainstream news was denying of its existence, same goes for bilderberg group, but now they even admit it on the news that these things exist

why? cause more ppl are waking up to these groups, so they are forced to deal with it and put theyre spin on the situation

so as soon as more ppl start comin to obriens talks, then theyll deal with it
however they do

but youre thinking there all these sub-conspiracies to keep the conspiracy theorists dwindled

well, its clear you havent looked at this stuff objectively or put any decent effort into your research

[alleendewaarheid]

mind control only works with the unaware and those open for it

you are in full control in this reality..don't let anyone tell you otherwise..

[razed1]

theres something interesting (and CONTROVERSIAL) that stewart swerdlow said

he said white ppl, blue eyes blond hair, are MORE SUCCEPTABLE to mind control than are balck ppl, aborignes or 'darker' skinned

he said this is one reason why they are so into culling off these races, with aids in africa and sterilizing vaccines given to these ppl

becuase these cultures are still clinging on to those ancient religious beliefs, what they might call 'pagan' ancient hinduism etc

these cultures where a person uses both there brains hemispheres and have astrong link with nature

the illuminati cant have that, so these ppl are targeted more

[adimon]

youre getting some things mixed up here

i dont equate hiv, moonlandings, with cathy obrien

I'm not getting mixed up. I was asking questions - which, yet again, you've ignored.

but youre thinking there all these sub-conspiracies to keep the conspiracy theorists dwindled

Shit! I didnt realise you were personally capable of mind control and were reading my mind. Don't tell me what I'm thinking! Duh.

No, if you look back in the thread I've said I know mind control is a reality. I think Kathy O'Brien however is full of shit, and I've asked questions and searched but there is no physical evidence to support her claims, and her claims don't add up with all my other research.

well, its clear you havent looked at this stuff objectively or put any decent effort into your research

Get out of my head mind-control person! You don't know the first thing about me so stop pretending you do.

Engage in the debate, answer my questions, or don't, it's up to you...but don't go making idiotic statements claiming you know the first thing about me...you'll embarrass yourself. :)

Oh, and one more thing...when my research doesn't agree with your research, it doesn't mean yours is right and mine is wrong! :mad:

[deca]

mind control only works with the unaware and those open for it

you are in full control in this reality..don't let anyone tell you otherwise..

I would like to know how much trauma based mind control you could take?
30mins couple of hours how about a few years!!!

how about if you were abused all your life from birth!

wounder how much sexual abuse, electro shocks,sleep deprivation,psychological torture,sensory deprivation ect
you could take!!

[alleendewaarheid]

deca,

i was abused greatly in my childhood...i took it...i created it..i chose it...my parents were my abusers as were my siblings as were the kids at school

i'm glad i experienced it because it made me the beautiful being that i am..

actually...i feel nothing about the abuse i had anymore..it's as though i'm telling a story now about a stranger...

my life is great!

i could tell you stories about my childhood that would make you shiver...

[seanx]

adimon wrote;
What evidence - outside of her book - is there to support Kathy's claims?

That's a reasonable point - but by the very nature of the experiment
- you are unlikely to have the evidence you require.

And to dismiss the woman totally , just because she does not have
this type of evidence - is equally unfair to her.

Is Gerald Ford going to stop half way through an abuse act
for a polaraid snap for the girl's scrap book?

[deca]

i took it...i created it..i chose it

no that makes my shiver how you blame yourself for your abuse.


Thats one reason they chose child abuse kids to do there mind control on them as they could block out there abuse, so they did not need to deal with it.

[adimon]

That's a reasonable point - but by the very nature of the experiment
- you are unlikely to have the evidence you require.

And to dismiss the woman totally , just because she does not have
this type of evidence - is equally unfair to her.

Is Gerald Ford going to stop half way through an abuse act
for a polaraid snap for the girl's scrap book?

Sorry, just to clarify: I don't dismis Kathy O'Brien. I don't believe her. Her story does have an impact in the truthist world, and it's sizeable enough for me to not be able to dismiss it.

Also, it's not just because she has no evidence that I don't believe her. It's more to do with the way she talks about her experiences on camera and mp3 that to me are incredibly false. I'm not approaching this conclusion from the angle "Well, my guess would be if someone really had suffered this abuse, I would expect her to behave differently, like this etc...."

It's more to do with tone / rhetoric / choice of words and other subtle things which I have had some training on. I was trained to beat polygraphs, and also how to catch out liars. I think she's a liar. I'd love to polygraph her.

As for the deformed vagina, it's a stretch (no pun intended) to say that it looks like a demon, or than the deformation was 'carved' that way, for want of a better word.

All vaginas are different. No two are the same. Size, shape, colour, texture etc.. of all the different features of the vulva vary enormously.

Also, if her vagina was 'cut', it would have been unpredictable how the flesh may have healed.

Finally, if as many people were involved as Kathy suggests, I can't believe that none of them wouldn't have made even the tiniest slip.

But my main contention is that, to me, her claims don't sound genuine, by my judgement.

[deca]

But my main contention is that, to me, her claims don't sound genuine, by my judgement.
so why does she make them then ?
surly she could off made some more believable crap up?

[lilly555]

maybe she was mk'd to make it up:eek:

[adimon]

so why does she make them then ?
surly she could off made some more believable crap up?

I think she does it for publicity.

She didn't have to make up something 'more believable' - her story is outrageous and lots of people still believe it.

How many people believed the headline 'Freddie Starr ate my hamster' ?

[eternal_spirit]

Look at what a stage hypnotist can do in 5 mins. Then compare that to the cutting edge Brotherhood psychologists/hypnotists

[alleendewaarheid]

deca beautiful,

everything you experience in life you have chosen to create...

you choose your parents..you choose everything...

no mind control involved..just a longing of experience..

that's how it works..

there are no victims...only choices...

[eternal_spirit]

No convincing adimon. :( Cathy O may look like she's lying to you. But your training in how to spot a liar ect, wouldn't of taught you how to view and judge someone on the level of the mind control she's been through. The woman is a recovering MPd DID SRA. She's bound to come across and have a strange lost look in here eye at times.
besides she may be nervous with what she has to say.

[razed1]

I'm not getting mixed up. I was asking questions - which, yet again, you've ignored.



Shit! I didnt realise you were personally capable of mind control and were reading my mind. Don't tell me what I'm thinking! Duh.

No, if you look back in the thread I've said I know mind control is a reality. I think Kathy O'Brien however is full of shit, and I've asked questions and searched but there is no physical evidence to support her claims, and her claims don't add up with all my other research.



Get out of my head mind-control person! You don't know the first thing about me so stop pretending you do.

Engage in the debate, answer my questions, or don't, it's up to you...but don't go making idiotic statements claiming you know the first thing about me...you'll embarrass yourself. :)

Oh, and one more thing...when my research doesn't agree with your research, it doesn't mean yours is right and mine is wrong! :mad:

ppl like you have their heads so far up..... you know how im gonna finish it,


what debate is there with you, you say mind contorl is real, but then you say you need 'proof' from cathy obrien, if youve done any research, youll see human sacrifice is very real and has been done even in religious context in the past, well it doesnt take a rocket scientist to think that illuminati wouldve continued this form of worship

when you see bohemian grove info comin, and you have multiple ppl comin out with the same information, then its pretty fair to assume this stuff is goin on, you even have david icke, talkin about MULTIPLE ppl takin about withnessing rituals and whatnot, but yet you need proof from cathy

what the fukk is you major malfunction


and then you wanna act like you are engaging in some kind scholarly debate, when you havent any research, and its APPARENT from your responses

so i dont need to waste my energy on a closedminded person

you get the thumbs down

[adimon]

ppl like you have their heads so far up..... you know how im gonna finish it

I'm really pleased to see that you're able to discuss this matter without the need for personal insult.

what debate is there with you, you say mind contorl is real, but then you say you need 'proof' from cathy obrien

I don't need anything from Kathy. I think she's a liar. If she produces evidence to support her story, or if she talked about it in a way that I thought was genuine, I'd retract my comment.

if youve done any research, youll see human sacrifice is very real and has been done even in religious context in the past, well it doesnt take a rocket scientist to think that illuminati wouldve continued this form of worship

You see...you're not reading my posts anymore. You're looking at my words, and transplanting onto them any interpretation you care to dream up.

Of course human sacrifice is real. I never said it wasn't. It's been done in religious and occult rituals ever since the birth of civilisation.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to consider that even if the Illuminati do carry out ritual sacrifice, that there could be some people coming forward with stories that aren't genuine.

when you see bohemian grove info comin, and you have multiple ppl comin out with the same information, then its pretty fair to assume this stuff is goin on, you even have david icke, talkin about MULTIPLE ppl takin about withnessing rituals and whatnot, but yet you need proof from cathy

I don't NEED anything from Cathy. I just don't think that a few scattered accounts of Bohemian Grove and Cathy O'Brien's book represent a basis for assumption, unlike you.

what the fukk is you major malfunction

I don't have one. I'm fit, strong, handsome and intelligent. :D

and then you wanna act like you are engaging in some kind scholarly debate, when you havent any research, and its APPARENT from your responses

Yet again the old tired argument - "Your research brings you to a different conclusion to me, so your research is crap/you haven't done any research"

so i dont need to waste my energy on a closedminded person
Your energy will not be wasted on yourself. It never will be.

you get the thumbs down

Cheers. Salud. Skol. You get the bottoms up :)

[razed1]

yea

uh huh

ok

you sleep now ;)

[tiswas]

There has to be more supportive evidence to these claims.
Why was there no photo of Cathy in the White House, and where was the marriage certificate with her and Houston.

[deca]

seems like some of you so called truthers can`t handle the truth and only want to select parts the fit in with your believe system.

[i_am]

seems like some of you so called truthers can`t handle the truth and only want to select parts the fit in with your believe system.

You are quite right, deca, however everyone here is in a different stage of their evolution.

As I said on another thread, truth is much stranger than fiction, and depending on the amount of programming people have had, it is difficult for some to believe that these things can and do happen.

You know from experience but to others who have not had that experience, it is merely hearsay.

[deca]

You are quite right, deca, however everyone here is in a different stage of their evolution.

As I said on another thread, truth is much stranger than fiction, and depending on the amount of programming people have had, it is difficult for some to believe that these things can and do happen.

You know from experience but to others who have not had that experience, it is merely hearsay.

Thanks i_am for them words of wisdom and reason

truth is much stranger than fiction ,indeed they are, I don`t believe whats happning to me,I don`t want to,i wish it would go away and leave me alone,but
its not going too,i can`t walk away from my situation.
This whole mind control has made the people in charge believe they can do anything and get away with it,they are psychopaths who believe they are not going to made responsible for their actions, they are not playing with the same rules as we do.

[tiswas]

Could it be that the alleged abusers did not go to court, because they did not want to give Cathy o'brien free publicity?

[deca]

Could it be that the alleged abusers did not go to court, because they did not want to give Cathy o'brien free publicity?

Well thats one reason, also you could say they did not want mkultra and mind control hitting the press again.They would not what people researching this at all.

[synak]

...they are not playing with the same rules as we do.

And this is something our population refuses to realize.

As I said on another thread, truth is much stranger than fiction, and depending on the amount of programming people have had, it is difficult for some to believe that these things can and do happen.


Well said. It seems these symptoms have plagued most people I've encountered.

[adimon]

seems like some of you so called truthers can`t handle the truth and only want to select parts the fit in with your believe system.

I think this approach that many people on this forum have of 'the more you believe, the more right you are' is getting tiresome and offensive now.

Your truth is your truth. If I believe something different, it doesn't mean that you're right and I'm wrong.

Selecting parts to fit in with my belief system? LOL :D

Not only does this accusation embarrass itself by pretending to know the first thing about me, and my belief system, but it's also ignoring the fact that, ultimately, we all believe what we want to believe.

We do research and reading, and speak to others, and...in combination with the rest of our life experience, we come to a viewpoint. For many, that viewpoint changes as they go through their lives, and with an open mind, we should all be open to this change, as IT may be the truth, who knows...

To be sure is to be wrong, IMHO.

If you look back through the thread, I've been concentrating on what I think of Kathy, and her evidence, and her videos. I haven't started saying that anyone who believes her is delusional, or 'selecting' things to fit with their belief system.

Lets stick to the discussion, not make it personal.

I wish people here would realise that there is no point making assumptions about the other people they are engaged in forum with.

End of rant. :)

[deca]

Mind Controlling seems unbeleivable its meant to be unbeleivable

You are meant to think or leaders are good clean people that can`t do any bad and working hard to makes our lives better.

unwitting illegal experiments should not happen !

you are meant to believe dirty old men in macs commit child abuse!

So when somebody turns these around , how can you believe them!

maybe you are mind controlled!!! more that you think

[deca]

I think this approach that many people on this forum have of 'the more you believe, the more right you are' is getting tiresome and offensive now.

I do not need to believe, I am a TI (target indivual of remote mind control & electronic harrasment)
no peoples Oh don`t believe it attitude when people risk there lives warning others about the dangers and the abuse going on is tiresome and offensive

Selecting parts to fit in with my belief system? LOL

Not only does this accusation embarrass itself by pretending to know the first thing about me, and my belief system, but it's also ignoring the fact that, ultimately, we all believe what we want to believe.


So you admit the you believe in mind control but when a victim comes forward
and explain just how bad it is you dismiss her?

We do research and reading, and speak to others, and...in combination with the rest of our life experience

So what research/reading have you done and how many mind control victims have you meet?


I wish people here would realise that there is no point making assumptions about the other people they are engaged in forum with.

But you are making assumptions about her

what have assumptions have I made about you?

[eternal_spirit]

Mind Controlling seems unbeleivable its meant to be unbeleivable

You are meant to think or leaders are good clean people that can`t do any bad and working hard to makes our lives better.

unwitting illegal experiments should not happen !

you are meant to believe dirty old men in macs commit child abuse!

So when somebody turns these around , how can you believe them!

maybe you are mind controlled!!! more that you think

.............

They could print more money, end all wars and feed people instead. The balance of wealth and freedom wouldn't take much effort to achieve, if the PTB decided to treat all countries and people with the same level playing field. If we had good honest people in power, with their help the World would be a much better place in next to no time at all.

The world leaders are also mind controlled. Part of which seems to make them immune to much of the suffering they help create. They are bread for their role, so genetics of a psychopath are part of that make up.

I'm just waiting for them to frame someone, a scapegoat for the Madeleine case, the same as they done with Ian Huntley.
Ask anyone you know do they think it was Huntley? They'll all say it was.

[eternal_spirit]

Lets stick to the discussion, not make it personal.

I wish people here would realise that there is no point making assumptions about the other people they are engaged in forum with.

End of rant. :)

.................

LOL this guy doesn't practice what he preaches. I've been on his ignore for sometime. Are you reading me yet? ADIMON? He assumes I'm a Neo Nazi.

[adimon]

I do not need to believe, I am a TI (target indivual of remote mind control & electronic harrasment)
no peoples Oh don`t believe it attitude when people risk there lives warning others about the dangers and the abuse going on is tiresome and offensive

OK, so you are a TI. Tell me your story. I'd love to hear it. Sincerely. :)

So you admit the you believe in mind control but when a victim comes forward
and explain just how bad it is you dismiss her?

I listen to every account I come across objectively and carefully. In doing so with Kathy O'Brien I think she's lying. In researching Frank Olson, I can see that he was a guinea pig in a mind control experiment. If you have a story to tell, then I promise you that you won't find a more objective listener.

So what research/reading have you done and how many mind control victims have you meet?

CIA documents, Marchetti, lots about cult mind control, Manson, scientology, lots about LSD and other drugs, lots of military documents etc..

As for meeting in person, I haven't met any mind control victims. I have tried to, but the ones I tried were too paranoid.

But you are making assumptions about her

I'm only going on what she has written and recorded and to me she is a charlatan.

what have assumptions have I made about you?

You seem to think you know things about me - what my 'belief system' is, what research I've done, instead of reading and reacting to what I've written in my posts.

I make no claims about being an expert in the subject either, though you are behaving as if I want to be involved in a 'one-up' battle on who has done the most research etc..

Please, tell me your sources and I can look into it, and I'd love to hear your story. But I don't want an argument, and FFS stop pretending like you know things you couldn't possibly know about me. Ok? :)

[deca]

I am still piecing my life together and try to understand whats going on
please stay with thread as it gets better ,i was full of fear to start with and my knowledge was not very good to start with.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=617

[adimon]

I am still piecing my life together and try to understand whats going on
please stay with thread as it gets better ,i was full of fear to start with and my knowledge was not very good to start with.

Will you not tell me your story? :(

[deca]

Will you not tell me your story?
its in the thread?
I am just a ordinary working man there`s nothing special about me.
I was working in a back street bar a knew a few doggy characters.
My wife got a good job out of the area(Kent) about 6 years ago even thou we had just bought a house and a little daughter we decided to move and give it ago.
We also thought it best to rent out our house just so if it went bad we could move back this was about 2002. We lasted about 2 years our marriage was on the rocks and my wife was suffering stress though her small company she worked for being bought out. We moved back and got temp/part time jobs times were hard but we struggled through she was work days and I was working nights. I started feeling funny not myself I became suggestible stared having weird thoughts seeing other meanings to symbols and one night thought a packing machine and air vent was evil then one night I know this sounds daft but
I heard a voice but it came across as a military messaged then some lights went out
and it freaked me out. A week or so later the jobs finished.I got a job month or so later in another factory on nights two I got on with a few people there one was into computers to and we started swapping cds I am not into copying much but did know a few people and did a few for myself and friends and family I also started getting weird thoughts and weird suggestions too felt and thought the machines were trying to talk and control me and suck my emotions out of me. There was
a lot of belts,slicers,cookers old pretty old covered in metal and big dials and flashing lights. I was an industrial cleaner and theres was a lot of water sprayed about to wash all these down.One night coming to the end of it felt like the machines were trying to get me to walk out and got the urge to stick my hands into the machine.I sort of did but did not really heart myself but made a scene and was asked not to return I was only a temp.
I am not sure about what order this was in my memory is jumbled about the time of these events but one night I hard I a crystal clear voice straight to my skull the he was a police man and I should stop copying cds. I was also felt that I was spied on e.g cameras in my house phone tapped and so on. Then the 24/7 electrical harassment started I got "boom,boom,boom we are going to blast you boom boom" that lasted for days "you are interfering with emergency services you have to leave now"
and lots of other stuff basically thats blames me for being on here and I should move or kill myself. That was about 3 years ago I new nothing about mind control or electrical harassment I was warned off talking to doctors and looking up stuff on the net. I always question what they told me its a two way system I can sort of think talk back to them not through anything that I do but its all done from there end.

Then I saw this http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,2009217,00.html
And thought I would try and spread what I new on the net.
I had done a some goggles before and new there were others out there suffering from this microwave attack probably done by our government.
I know reading my story that you can see I might have mental problems through mid life crisis,stress and other stuff and no I am not a schizophrenic. I think when I returned to the area I was an oddity working
nights full of local bullshit from working in bars full of doggy info.
I think they thought I was more involved into crime and other stuff.
The perpetrators basically have stated they have fucking screwed up but
there not a lot they can do about it. So basically they bugger me up.
Basically what you have read about mind control electronic harassment
is true microwave hearing (voice to skull) reading your thoughts being able to change your mood state of mind and also messing with your body parts. I think a lot of other agency's have really abused this.

What can I say they used all sorts of mind tricks brainwashing and just plain torture on me.
Most are to drive me crazy, make other people think I am crazy. Get into trouble with the law. lose my job home and my ability to seek help and protect myself.
This sick technology does exist and being used on people.

[adimon]

Deca, would you be willing to talk on the phone, or meet in person to discuss your story?

[deca]

Deca, would you be willing to talk on the phone, or meet in person to discuss your story?
not at the moment,I am still under attack and my life is hard enough.

if you want to know more check out marsboys videos,

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=marsboy683&p=r

they are very well researched.

[malvern]

Quote:
Deca, would you be willing to talk on the phone, or meet in person to discuss your story?

not at the moment,I am still under attack and my life is hard enough.

if you want to know more check out marsboys videos,

http://www.youtube.com/profile_video...marsboy683&p=r

they are very well researched.

fcking hell.... sheeple allow this to happen thinking it's only a personal attack, little do they know... earlier that day the chemtrails entered there bodies and the same sound wave attack them..... i love your work Deca... we still have some area of freedom in the uk where this ic too hard to do, all the best mate.


freedom so wake up the sheeple:)

[supertzar]

Tiswas, why don't you befriend someone with multiple personalities and see what you learn? No doubt you know someone like this already, whether you know it or not. It's very common. Estimates are about 5% of the population are multiples here in the US. From my personal experience that is about right.

I already knew it was true before I ever read about it because of the people I knew. It was one of the most difficult periods in my life when I was helping my friend to survive the agony caused by their programming, but also one of the most rewarding.

[supertzar]

Just call me "Threadkiller," I guess. :confused:

[adimon]

Just call me "Threadkiller," I guess. :confused:

LOL. That's my job! :D

[amadeus]

My argument in all this Mind Control is WHY did this happen, and WHAT was the motive.:confused:

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
(Lord Acton in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887)

Psychopaths and a**holes with absolute power don't always need a motive, they just do these things because they CAN, just for the fun of it.

I've read parts of the "Trance - Formation of America" book and I find that there's a possibility her story is true. But then again, it might be not. I'm kind of 70% against 30% for it being more true than fiction. And even if just one fraction of it's true...that's scary! :eek:

[adimon]

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
(Lord Acton in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887)

Psychopaths and a**holes with absolute power don't always need a motive, they just do these things because they CAN, just for the fun of it.

I've read parts of the "Trance - Formation of America" book and I find that there's a possibility her story is true. But then again, it might be not. I'm kind of 70% against 30% for it being more true than fiction. And even if just one fraction of it's true...that's scary! :eek:

The point is, if 70% of it is bullshit, then she's a bullshitter.

If she's mentally ill, and not actually lying, then it's even scarier.

[megafish33]

If she's mentally ill, and not actually lying, then it's even scarier.

You have no idea... my psychology professor worked in a clinical setting before and had a patient that saw the devil- no not in an esoteric or whatever way, the red guy with horns depicted by the media-next to his friends while eating dinner... Delusions certainly exist, and so does schizophrenia... it's not just "another way to view the world," as some freely express. People really suffer from it. Of course I'm not denying the possibility of other parasitic creatures we can't see, in other dimensions or something like that. In 100 years, if we're still here, we might, in fact, discover microbes, or "macrobes" that really do "vibe" in and out of possibilities. Another possibility, these people are really sick, view documentaries by paranormal researchers, feeding their ill minds with "ideas," and wake up seeing lizards and whatnot.

[adimon]

Another possibility, these people are really sick, view documentaries by paranormal researchers, feeding their ill minds with "ideas," and wake up seeing lizards and whatnot.

Yes.