The Nibiru Myth

[micklemus]

I found this on an internet search -

The Myth of Nibiru and the End of the World in 2012 (http://www.csicop.org/si/show/myth_of_nibiru_and_the_end_of_the_world_in_2012/)

This is a genuine question, not loaded one way or another in any respect: is there any evidence out there at all to suggest that Nibiru is any more than a modern myth?

All information gratefully received

[lewi]

http://merlinravensong2.tripod.com/sitchin.jpg

[elcribbo]

As I understand it Nibiru was supposed to collide with Earth in 2003. When it didn't happen there was a rapid rethink and 2012 was given as the next date. When it doesn't happen then either I imagine the date will change again.

[crnamamba]

Mr Sitchin who wrote this stated in his interview that he does not expect Nibiru to collide with Earth any time in future because it hasn't got the orbit that would be on a collision course with us.
According to him it is not due to pass near Earth in 2012 either....but he doesn't exclude the possibility that Nibiru could come close to our solar system so that it wouldn't be visible to us but in their ships range to revisit our planet once again.

...all of this if that Nibiru stuff is true :D

[elcribbo]

I know it's only Wikipedia, but it explains it better than I ever could:

Lieder (the woman who came up with the idea) "claimed that the Hale-Bopp story was manufactured to distract people from the imminent arrival of a large planetary object, "Planet X", which would soon pass by Earth and destroy civilization. After Hale-Bopp's perihelion revealed it as one of the brightest and longest-observed comets of the last century, Lieder removed the first two sentences of her initial statement from her site, though they can still be found in Google's archives."

"Roughly a week before the supposed arrival of Planet X, Lieder appeared on KROQ radio in Los Angeles, and advised listeners to put their pets down in anticipation of the event. When asked if she had done so, she replied that she had, and that "The puppies are in a happy place." She also advised that "A dog makes a good meal"."

"Astronomers point out that such an object so close to Earth would be easily visible to the naked eye (Jupiter and Saturn are both visible to the naked eye, and are dimmer than Nibiru would be at their distances), and would be creating noticeable effects in the orbits of the outer planets. Some counter this by claiming that the object has been hiding behind the Sun for several years, though such a claim is geometrically impossible. Images of Nibiru near the Sun taken by amateurs are usually of lens flares, false images of the Sun created by reflections within the lens.

Mike Brown notes that if this object's orbit were as described, it would only have lasted in the Solar System for a million years or so before Jupiter expelled it, and that there is no way another object's magnetic field could have such an effect on Earth. Lieder's assertions that the approach of Nibiru would cause the Earth's rotation to stop or its axis to shift violate the laws of physics. In his rebuttal of Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision, which made the same claim that the Earth's rotation could be stopped and then restarted, Carl Sagan noted that, "the energy required to brake the Earth is not enough to melt it, although it would result in a noticeable increase in temperature: the oceans would [be] raised to the boiling point of water . . . [Also,] how does the Earth get started up again, rotating at approximately the same rate of spin? The Earth cannot do it by itself, because of the law of the conservation of angular momentum.""

[superearther]

We are a slave race. That is how we were formed. Created by the anunaki.
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/hom.../08/01288.html
Shows evidence of us having 3% alien dna.

This also explains the collective unconscious and how everything around us is connected. If you want to research the nephilim/anunaki then look up the geological record for giant animal age in the time of man. This phase is also connected with the temple of jupiter/ancient sumeria.

Records have been found that show giant dragon fly with wings measuring upto 5 feet. Further proof of the anunaki living on our planet can be seen in giza. These superstructures cannot be built by us even in this technological age. This is how the connection between ancient sumeria and nibiru can be found.

Government insiders have come forward to project avalon to clarify these stories. Here are links for anyone interesting in finding out the truth about us and planet earth.

http:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUw_xp6vF5I

evidence for giants nephilim rephaim anunnaki part 1 - YouTube

nibiru, cycles and the elite - YouTube

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Project Camelot interviews Bob Dean: the Coming of Nibiru - YouTube

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Peace all and good luck

[princessofwands]

Lots more about Nibiru -

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/hercolobus/kolbrin_08.htm

[nectars]

As I understand it Nibiru was supposed to collide with Earth in 2003. When it didn't happen there was a rapid rethink and 2012 was given as the next date. When it doesn't happen then either I imagine the date will change again.

DID NASA FAKE COMET FLYBY?(CLICK ME") (http://www.exopolitics.org/cometneat.htm)

[disorder2k8]

Sitchin was wrong haha, don't ever refer to that as a source of information. He wasn't a scholar or a linguist, his translation was totally off and he buffet-picked his claims.

And no nothing is going to happen, I will even place a wager on it (4 pack of beer to the winner, ie I will "buy them a drink")

We have been dealing with end of the world conspiracies for many years, the only thing that could wipe us out en masse is the sun, because nothing else is close enough or big enough to do it.

[superearther]

Sitchin was wrong haha,

in what aspect? If your refering to date then he predicted 2100 as the return.
Look up the videos i posted as i believe alot of them are based on fact and our current reality

[disorder2k8]

in what aspect? If your refering to date then he predicted 2100 as the return.
Look up the videos i posted as i believe alot of them are based on fact and our current reality

Well you find what you want when you believe in a certain thing, you can find any piece of data to fit almost any hypothesis.

But the main point is that he simply translated wrong and other more knowledgeable scholars created a different translation.

Here is a decent article (http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4093) with some good sources

[princessofwands]

Superearther, thank you for the Bob Dean interview. I just watched it all. Very very interesting. He gets onto the Niburu theme at about 37 mins in and then for the rest of the interview.

:D

[superearther]

Superearther, thank you for the Bob Dean interview. I just watched it all. Very very interesting. He gets onto the Niburu theme at about 37 mins in and then for the rest of the interview.

:D

Im glad i can keep some informed. Thats a real result. Thank you for your positive action

[superearther]

Well you find what you want when you believe in a certain thing, you can find any piece of data to fit almost any hypothesis.

But the main point is that he simply translated wrong and other more knowledgeable scholars created a different translation.

Here is a decent article (http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4093) with some good sources

The truth is that date and time comes and goes but i believe to build my argument with facts and observations that we as a race can comprehend and look at. You can get opinion yes but i try and stay clear of that and base my research on hard evidence.

Possibly it was/wasnt i cant say as i havent based any of my research into the texts but mainly the sumerian tablets with pictures

[sherryb]

It's not a myth, but it's not likely to come in 2012. That seems to be some internet hype. I think it will come before the year 2100. There's evidence of it throughout our solar system. Look at the asteroid belt and all the other anomalies in our solar system. There have been some historic collisions.

Check this link out:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/1004.4584v1

-Look at the myth's of man

-Look at the earth's history of mass extinctions.

-They are now starting to believe the our sun system may be a binary system, because of different clues. Ie. sharp edge of the Kuiper belt.

-Here's some more info: http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/ds5.htm

-Here's more evidence that the sun likely has a dark companion: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060119_kuiper_stars.html

There's something big out there that comes in every so often and disturbs the inhabitants of earth. Pretty scary, but I believe we still have plenty of time to prepare.

[delamo1999]

As I understand it Nibiru was supposed to collide with Earth in 2003. When it didn't happen there was a rapid rethink and 2012 was given as the next date. When it doesn't happen then either I imagine the date will change again.


Yep. These "doom" dates are just myths.

:):)

[superearther]

It's not a myth, but it's not likely to come in 2012. That seems to be some internet hype. I think it will come before the year 2100. There's evidence of it throughout our solar system. Look at the asteroid belt and all the other anomalies in our solar system. There have been some historic collisions.

Check this link out:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/1004.4584v1

-Look at the myth's of man

-Look at the earth's history of mass extinctions.

-They are now starting to believe the our sun system may be a binary system, because of different clues. Ie. sharp edge of the Kuiper belt.

-Here's some more info: http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/ds5.htm

-Here's more evidence that the sun likely has a dark companion: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060119_kuiper_stars.html

There's something big out there that comes in every so often and disturbs the inhabitants of earth. Pretty scary, but I believe we still have plenty of time to prepare.

interesting info thanks. I saw an interview with andy lloyd and his dark star book on coast to coast. Very intriguing.

[princessofwands]

In the Bob Dean interview, he first says 2060 from Sitchin's calculations, then he says 2020 from our astronomical data, then he points out that because Jesus was actually born in 7 BC, our dates are mixed up and actually this flyby (when 'all hell will be let loose') is going to happen in 2013-17 and the governments who are in on it are extremely worried about it.

Either the guy is barking mad, disinfo, or he's real.

I do know that we were told in 1983 that there is a big object out there. The front page headline went, 'It's huge, it's on the edge of the solar system and it's coming our way'. I remember it well, wish I'd kept that front page. And since then, silence, but the governments of the world have been busy preparing, apparently.

[superearther]

In the Bob Dean interview, he first says 2060 from Sitchin's calculations, then he says 2020 from our astronomical data, then he points out that because Jesus was actually born in 7 BC, our dates are mixed up and actually this flyby (when 'all hell will be let loose') is going to happen in 2013-17 and the governments who are in on it are extremely worried about it.

Either the guy is barking mad, disinfo, or he's real.

I do know that we were told in 1983 that there is a big object out there. The front page headline went, 'It's huge, it's on the edge of the solar system and it's coming our way'. I remember it well, wish I'd kept that front page. And since then, silence, but the governments of the world have been busy preparing, apparently.


true....One underground base every seven weeks tells us something is wrong.
Their have been reports of meteor impacts in our planet and video proof posted on this topic. Something is wrong and i think the oort cloud is being affected by something big.

Thats why nasa released wise (more powerful than iras) It detects infrared and i believe it is tracking nibiru/nemesis (the suns dark companion)
As for the article your right. There was a feature in the new york times about this and when they discovered what it was and the route it was taking we didnt hear anything. Silence proves guilt

[sherryb]

interesting info thanks. I saw an interview with andy lloyd and his dark star book on coast to coast. Very intriguing.

Thanks, I'll have to look this up.

I think the government does know more than they are letting the public know, which is frustrating. I agree with you on the WISE thing and also think it's the main reason they sent it up.

I hate how you can't go on a scientific forum, for example, an astronomy one and rationally discuss these things, it reminds me of trying to talk science with religious... too much dogma on both sides. Instead of having an intelligent discussion, it turns to ridicule. I think there's a middle ground in all these things and no right or wrong on either side. I guess I've went off on a tangent... oops! :)

[rapunzel]

Lots more about Nibiru -

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/hercolobus/kolbrin_08.htm

The Kolbrin Bible which mentions Nibiru is widely thought to be a hoax since it only surfaced in the 20th century.

[zsymon]

There is no planet or asteroid or meteor coming anywhere near the Earth,
at any time in the future. The planet Nibiru is nothing but a myth, I believed
in it for a while but when my mentor explained the origins of the myth, I
had to discard it as just another fear based theory to block people from
awakening and working to create a better society.

Destruction theories and myths such as this are all made up, they stem from
the fear of the ruling elite, from a planet will with Light and unconditional
love.

They throw these theories into the world with the intention to stop people
from caring, to stop people from awakening. Because why awaken spiritually,
why work on becoming a better person, why try to create a better world
if the entire planet is going to be destroyed anyway?

Don't believe such nonsense, there are not going to be mass deaths in the
future of this planet, not by nature, not by cosmic events and not even
by the ruling elite or the governments. It is only going to get better from
now on, because countless of awakened or partially awakened people are
working very hard on creating a better civilization. The victories of these
people are kept out of the news in fear, but rest assured they do exist,
and more and more of these victories are happening every day. Search
for them if you want, the internet has the truth about them somewhere.

Everything you read that is fear based, are lies.
Everything you read that is love based, is truth.

Beware of those who mix lies with truth, remember that the slightest
fear based sentence means that the entire thing is most probably a
lie. If you can't seperate the truth from the lies, then disregard it all
and find something that consists of only truth.

[guuna]

Niburu is really Mongo. Home world of Ming the Merciless;):D

[zsymon]

My friend once visited a planet that he thought was Nibiru. He has the ability
to project his consciousness to any distance. It is not like astral projection, it
is more like an advanced form of remote viewing, because he can use it to
visit any dimension.

He projected his consciousness to a place he designated "Nibiru", so basically
he willed himself to any planet that was named Nibiru. He did end up on a
planet, but it was nowhere near Earth, and it was not going toward Earth
either.. it was far away.

When he reached it, he saw a planet filled with nature as well as futuristic
constructions and buildings, highways and roads. He saw flying vehicles and
pedestrians walking alongside the roads.

When he took a closer look at a pedestrian, he saw that it was a relatively
short being, with spikey bones, horns and claws, with reptile-like features
and scales on its skin. It was nothing like the Reptilians we know on Earth
though, it was an entirely different species. The being was apparently very
sensitive to other frequencies, because after a while he did something to
adjust his vision, and he was able to see my friend's projected mind.

The being grabbed some kind of energy knife and jabbed at my friend, from
the shock my friend's consciousness was thrown back into his body, and
he felt a sharp pain in his physical leg. We had to spend half an hour healing
it before the pain was subdued again.

So yeah, if there is a planet Nibiru, it is most likely the one my friend found,
and we felt that these beings on this planet, have been on Earth in ancient
times, to rule over us and to steal our resources, but they are gone back to
their home planet now. This planet is not coming anywhere near Earth, so
please forget about all those doom and gloom theories about disasters in the
future, the ruling elite created them, not just in modern times, but in the
far past as well, to keep the population in fear, and to prevent them from
having the courage to get on a spiritual path.

[scotty99]

The whole "we were created as a slave race" may have a bit of truth. It explains the missing link, as we were version1.0 neanderthals, then some of the aliens saw potential, and created a newer version of us, call it version3.0, hence no remains of missing link.

[superearther]

Niburu is really Mongo. Home world of Ming the Merciless;):D

hey hey hey know.....you shouldnt talk about your mother like that!

(please note my mother is from the munsters)!!

*switches off monitor lol

[superearther]

Nibiru??? Proof From Nasa themselves that it isnt venus - YouTube

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

FANT�STICO NIBIRU...TERRIVELMENTE APAVORANTE...MENOMÓS AFTER 2012...BY SANTICMONIOUS. - YouTube

US COVERS UP ANCIENT INFO DETAILING END OF TIMES! - YouTube

NIBIRU-Two Suns Seen Berlin-Germany June 2010.avi - YouTube

Nemesis G1.9+0.3 - New Photos & Video 2010 - YouTube

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/79/402/G1.9_Confirmed_Binary_Dwarf_Star_Very_Near_Sun.htm l

[magicmerlin]

They throw these theories into the world with the intention to stop people from caring, to stop people from awakening. Because why awaken spiritually, why work on becoming a better person, why try to create a better world if the entire planet is going to be destroyed anyway?

But if they wanted people to really not care then why not come out on national TV and hey guys Nibiru is real, we are fucked? People WOULD NOT not care, humanity would in fact try and save themselves - or at least millions would. Look at how the UK came together during WW2!!!

If there is a real Nibiru conspiracy then everything about the Annuaki and Human Slave race may be REAL. Therefore, they would never want most people to wake up that's it's coming, heck no they want no one to believe it; hence the 2012 movie ha ha ha what a joke it's in the movies it must be fake. If it's real then they will want to wipe out 80% of the population so no one is going to be warned. You could even say well if 2012/Nibiru is real then why are all the governments planning for 2012 and beyond investing millions - well, you carry on like normal and laugh off Nibiru! Food for thought.

I'm still 50:50 on it but the problem is, no one knows what is coming - a NWO, Nibiru, etc etc.

[guuna]

hey hey hey know.....you shouldnt talk about your mother like that!

(please note my mother is from the munsters)!!

*switches off monitor lolhttp://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz283/guuna/mingthemerciless.jpg


insolent earthling!

[zsymon]

But if they wanted people to really not care then why not come out on national TV and hey guys Nibiru is real, we are fucked? People WOULD NOT not care, humanity would in fact try and save themselves - or at least millions would. Look at how the UK came together during WW2!!!

If there is a real Nibiru conspiracy then everything about the Annuaki and Human Slave race may be REAL. Therefore, they would never want most people to wake up that's it's coming, heck no they want no one to believe it; hence the 2012 movie ha ha ha what a joke it's in the movies it must be fake. If it's real then they will want to wipe out 80% of the population so no one is going to be warned. You could even say well if 2012/Nibiru is real then why are all the governments planning for 2012 and beyond investing millions - well, you carry on like normal and laugh off Nibiru! Food for thought.

I'm still 50:50 on it but the problem is, no one knows what is coming - a NWO, Nibiru, etc etc.

Well, you can twist and turn it as you want, but you will never know what
goes around in the mind of the non light. Their morality is as contorted and
mangled like you can't even imagine, their logic and their intelligence is not
the way ours is.

They think things through sure, but they have to take in account things that
you and I never even heard of. They probably have a very good reason not
to openly show themselves to all of humanity, IF they exist at all as Nibiru,
because all my experiences told me there is no such thing as a planet Nibiru
near our solar system, with the intention to come and invade Earth. Planet
Earth is already invaded, and the forces that rule us now, would wage a war
against Nibiru if they would attempt to come here, a war Nibiru will not be
able to win, because the forces that rule us now, have access to the power
of an entire star system, called the star system of Pleiades.

The forces, the incarnated souls and the aliens that rule us now, came from
the star system Pleiades, 89.000 years ago, and although their power is now
broken, and they will have to leave Earth, along with all other non light forces
within some twenty, thirty years.. they still have the power to bring war to
other non light forces that want a piece of the pie.

This is why no other group of aliens will invade here.. we are already invaded.
The planet Nibiru is maybe one planet, maybe one solar system. Pleiades is an
entire star system, that is why we're not seeing an open invasion of alien
forces.

But as I have said in other posts, their power was broken in the year 2008,
they cannot incarnate here anymore, not ever, and the energy is becoming
far too high for them to continue staying here much longer. Many of them
will leave on their starships, or they will commit suicide, or they will go into
hiding in places they can still fill with negative energies. But they will all have
to leave within the near future. Only Light souls will be left, and paradise will
come to Earth through our efforts, with nothing holding us back anymore.

Although they are forces that are still ruling over our every day lives, their
power is permanently broken and the situation will soon change drastically.
They still continue to throw doom stories and fear based theories into the
world and onto the internet, but these are acts of desperation, to try and
keep people in fear of the future, to stop them from awakening spiritually, to
stop them from realizing they have already won.

The future of the Earth, as a paradise, is secured. All WE have to do now is
awaken and start cleaning up the mess. Soon nothing will be holding us back
anymore, all dark souls will have left the planet, and only we will be left.
Then we have to clean up the planet, heal our wounds, let go of energies
of ego, hatred, anger, jealousy, control, ownership, and so forth.. so we
can finally bask in the Light that is our energy, then we can bring it to Earth
and create a paradise.

[lord bob haulk]

i hope there is a planet flyby and some aliens land, cause i've just watched V and i would love to be part of the rebel alliance that fights them off.

[superearther]

i hope there is a planet flyby and some aliens land, cause i've just watched V and i would love to be part of the rebel alliance that fights them off.


the evil half of the race yes. We do have negative and positive aspects in every culture

[zsymon]

i hope there is a planet flyby and some aliens land, cause i've just watched V and i would love to be part of the rebel alliance that fights them off.

Why would you wish for the death, destruction and suffering that such a
situation would bring, to the already downtrodden people of this planet?

[mind1universe]

Well, you can twist and turn it as you want, but you will never know what
goes around in the mind of the non light. Their morality is as contorted and
mangled like you can't even imagine, their logic and their intelligence is not
the way ours is.

They think things through sure, but they have to take in account things that
you and I never even heard of. They probably have a very good reason not
to openly show themselves to all of humanity, IF they exist at all as Nibiru,
because all my experiences told me there is no such thing as a planet Nibiru
near our solar system, with the intention to come and invade Earth. Planet
Earth is already invaded, and the forces that rule us now, would wage a war
against Nibiru if they would attempt to come here, a war Nibiru will not be
able to win, because the forces that rule us now, have access to the power
of an entire star system, called the star system of Pleiades.

The forces, the incarnated souls and the aliens that rule us now, came from
the star system Pleiades, 89.000 years ago, and although their power is now
broken, and they will have to leave Earth, along with all other non light forces
within some twenty, thirty years.. they still have the power to bring war to
other non light forces that want a piece of the pie.

This is why no other group of aliens will invade here.. we are already invaded.
The planet Nibiru is maybe one planet, maybe one solar system. Pleiades is an
entire star system, that is why we're not seeing an open invasion of alien
forces.

But as I have said in other posts, their power was broken in the year 2008,
they cannot incarnate here anymore, not ever, and the energy is becoming
far too high for them to continue staying here much longer. Many of them
will leave on their starships, or they will commit suicide, or they will go into
hiding in places they can still fill with negative energies. But they will all have
to leave within the near future. Only Light souls will be left, and paradise will
come to Earth through our efforts, with nothing holding us back anymore.

Although they are forces that are still ruling over our every day lives, their
power is permanently broken and the situation will soon change drastically.
They still continue to throw doom stories and fear based theories into the
world and onto the internet, but these are acts of desperation, to try and
keep people in fear of the future, to stop them from awakening spiritually, to
stop them from realizing they have already won.

The future of the Earth, as a paradise, is secured. All WE have to do now is
awaken and start cleaning up the mess. Soon nothing will be holding us back
anymore, all dark souls will have left the planet, and only we will be left.
Then we have to clean up the planet, heal our wounds, let go of energies
of ego, hatred, anger, jealousy, control, ownership, and so forth.. so we
can finally bask in the Light that is our energy, then we can bring it to Earth
and create a paradise.

And what have you done to help clean up the mess? My god your post is so full of crap, I am so annoyed at your post I am not bothered if you take offence to anything I say at this point. I am been really patient in not sending you a very insulting mail..

But please do me a favor and get f**** real. We all have to get real on this world, before it becomes a paradise. So lets be more realistic with the present moment.

Waking up, is facing the EVIL/dark, on this world and around us. The evil is not leaving until we face it. Dark is also an aspect of ourselves just as light is. We have the free will to choose our own path and not follow god, and that is of the dark. But God still loves us uncondtionally no matter what. We also know that the dark is also just the part of us where we have not ventured or discovered yet. As light beings it's our obligation and core goal to turn darkness into new light. That's what we are here to do. The darkness isn't going anywhere until we be the change we wish to see light upon.

Darkness will harbour here for as long as it can. Espcially with delusional post's such as yours, with the light bulllshit.

They are No " if's buts, and's or easy way's around this game., It's not just "they" that is the problem. It's also "WE" are the problem too. It's not just the Annunaki or the reptilians that is the problem. Humanity has also become a problem too :) Stop blaming "them and everyone else" and take some self responsibility for the things you have done on this world. Start with right now by stop posting crap on this forum and learn to be more self honest with yourself.

Could you please cut the spiritual babble out and leave it to the new agers. Christ almighty. I've read enough of this moronic shite on other forums.

Nibru does exist.

[zsymon]

If you want to keep believing in a planet that will enter our solar system to
create hell and destruction.. by all means. If it gives you comfort to think
that your life will be over soon, and that there is no point in taking any
responsibility for it, because everything will be destroyed soon anyway, then
again, by all means.

But isn't it much more productive to believe in a future in which you can make
a big difference for other people, in which you can become happy and help
others become happy as well? Evil has invaded us long ago and it has held
the whole planet in its grip for many thousands of years, but that time is now
over.

I'm sorry if my beliefs annoy you, but that is your loss, not mine. What makes
us angry or hurt by what other people do or say, is ego. Once you let go of
ego you no longer get trapped in anger and frustration.. and you seem to be
very angry and frustrated. I don't see how my beliefs can be so threatening
to you.. if they don't resonate with you then just ignore them.

[mind1universe]

If you want to keep believing in a planet that will enter our solar system to
create hell and destruction.. by all means. If it gives you comfort to think
that your life will be over soon, and that there is no point in taking any
responsibility for it, because everything will be destroyed soon anyway, then
again, by all means.

But isn't it much more productive to believe in a future in which you can make
a big difference for other people, in which you can become happy and help
others become happy as well? Evil has invaded us long ago and it has held
the whole planet in its grip for many thousands of years, but that time is now
over.

I'm sorry if my beliefs annoy you, but that is your loss, not mine. What makes
us angry or hurt by what other people do or say, is ego. Once you let go of
ego you no longer get trapped in anger and frustration.. and you seem to be
very angry and frustrated. I don't see how my beliefs can be so threatening
to you.. if they don't resonate with you then just ignore them.

Believing Nibru to exist is no more loss than having Jupiter or any planet or star existing.

Stop talking rubbish.

[moving finger]

Believing Nibru to exist is no more loss than having Jupiter or any planet or star existing.

Stop talking rubbish.

Except there is actually evidence for Jupiter.

[elcribbo]

I'm struggling to understand why anyone believes in this when there is absolutely zero evidence for it. Seriously. Nothing. Zip. Nada.

Exactly the same thing is going to happen in 2012 as it did in 2003, which was when Nibiru was predicted to appear. It only changed to 2012 when - surprise, surprise - nothing happened in 2003.

[dryadlover]

I'm struggling to understand why anyone believes in this when there is absolutely zero evidence for it. Seriously. Nothing. Zip. Nada.

Exactly the same thing is going to happen in 2012 as it did in 2003, which was when Nibiru was predicted to appear. It only changed to 2012 when - surprise, surprise - nothing happened in 2003.

Precise prediction of a cyclic manifestation is a very difficult thing to do, yet it does not mean that the event is not going to occur, for if the possibility exists in the minds it is already a strong indicator that the event is real. The question is , however, when this event is going to manifest itself, it may be 2012 , it may be earlier, or it may be later, yet the thing is, that it is going to occur, as it have repeatedly occurred in previous eras, although I do agree that this statement in itself is debatable. The thing is that the exact “time” of this event is open, and the only optimal prediction would be the word soon. Yet, if it does indeed occur sooner than later, does it really matter, is there anything to fear?

[superearther]

And what have you done to help clean up the mess? My god your post is so full of crap, I am so annoyed at your post I am not bothered if you take offence to anything I say at this point. I am been really patient in not sending you a very insulting mail..

But please do me a favor and get f**** real. We all have to get real on this world, before it becomes a paradise. So lets be more realistic with the present moment.

Waking up, is facing the EVIL/dark, on this world and around us. The evil is not leaving until we face it. Dark is also an aspect of ourselves just as light is. We have the free will to choose our own path and not follow god, and that is of the dark. But God still loves us uncondtionally no matter what. We also know that the dark is also just the part of us where we have not ventured or discovered yet. As light beings it's our obligation and core goal to turn darkness into new light. That's what we are here to do. The darkness isn't going anywhere until we be the change we wish to see light upon.

Darkness will harbour here for as long as it can. Espcially with delusional post's such as yours, with the light bulllshit.

They are No " if's buts, and's or easy way's around this game., It's not just "they" that is the problem. It's also "WE" are the problem too. It's not just the Annunaki or the reptilians that is the problem. Humanity has also become a problem too :) Stop blaming "them and everyone else" and take some self responsibility for the things you have done on this world. Start with right now by stop posting crap on this forum and learn to be more self honest with yourself.

Could you please cut the spiritual babble out and leave it to the new agers. Christ almighty. I've read enough of this moronic shite on other forums.

Nibru does exist.

+1

[superearther]

If you want to keep believing in a planet that will enter our solar system to
create hell and destruction.. by all means. If it gives you comfort to think
that your life will be over soon, and that there is no point in taking any
responsibility for it, because everything will be destroyed soon anyway, then
again, by all means.

But isn't it much more productive to believe in a future in which you can make
a big difference for other people, in which you can become happy and help
others become happy as well? Evil has invaded us long ago and it has held
the whole planet in its grip for many thousands of years, but that time is now
over.

I'm sorry if my beliefs annoy you, but that is your loss, not mine. What makes
us angry or hurt by what other people do or say, is ego. Once you let go of
ego you no longer get trapped in anger and frustration.. and you seem to be
very angry and frustrated. I don't see how my beliefs can be so threatening
to you.. if they don't resonate with you then just ignore them.

i know it exists because i have been shown it.......I do not source my information from outer sources to find the truth. Its not a planet, its a brown dwarf. Nasa insiders have spoken out to project avalon, star team has also spoken out. g19 is nibiru and is currently being tracked by star team with nasa funded telescopes. It is in the outer regions of pluto. Tell me how many brown dwarfs do you know that have entered our system?

you can either keep living this fantasy your in or face reality. So many points lead us to massive earth change. Underground bases, masses of money being unaccounted for, increased floods/earthquakes/forest fires/volcanic activity.
Its time to wake up and realize that all these events are accelerating.

We enter??? Excuse me but cycles are responsible for these events. They are pre designed to change the universe we live in. If you honestly think things are getting better then i believe you have been conditioned to such an extent you dont even realize this.

Face facts extinction and evolution are all one big cycle.
Tell me does the middle east continuing conflict, famine, poverty, natural earth disasters, capitalism, globalisation, the world arms program all fall into your beliefs that we are currently enduring on our planet?

[superearther]

Except there is actually evidence for Jupiter.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/79/402/G1.9_Confirmed_Binary_Dwarf_Star_Very_Near_Sun.htm l

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

What was that about evidence? I do my research, its clear you dont.
Why are you spreading this disinformation?

[superearther]

I'm struggling to understand why anyone believes in this when there is absolutely zero evidence for it. Seriously. Nothing. Zip. Nada.

Exactly the same thing is going to happen in 2012 as it did in 2003, which was when Nibiru was predicted to appear. It only changed to 2012 when - surprise, surprise - nothing happened in 2003.

i refer you too my previous reply. Its amazing how many people are misinformed and spreading these untruths

[zsymon]

It is just one opinion against the other, there is no point in trying to convince
people that Nibiru exists or that it doesn't exist. People have to find the truth
out by themselves, it is not anyone's job to convince someone that what you
say is the truth and that what they say is not the truth..

There is nothing wrong with sharing our opinion, but the moment we judge
people for not accepting our truth, for not sharing our beliefs, is one step too
far.

[energi]

Waking up, is facing the EVIL/dark, on this world and around us. The evil is not leaving until we face it. Dark is also an aspect of ourselves just as light is. We have the free will to choose our own path and not follow god, and that is of the dark. But God still loves us uncondtionally no matter what. We also know that the dark is also just the part of us where we have not ventured or discovered yet. As light beings it's our obligation and core goal to turn darkness into new light. That's what we are here to do. The darkness isn't going anywhere until we be the change we wish to see light upon.


Word! :)

[elcribbo]

i refer you too my previous reply. Its amazing how many people are misinformed and spreading these untruths

Wow. Where to start.

I haven't got time to watch the video right now, so I'll just make a few points about the 'before it's news' article, which is quite cleverly written as it merges scientific fact with what are best described as very elementary astronomical mistakes. If I wasn't such a charitable person I'd call them lies.

It is impossible - and I use that word advisedly - for a brown dwarf to be orbiting our sun at 60-66 AUs. A brown dwarf is a star, just like our sun is. Granted, it's a relatively small and dim star, but it's a star all the same. If it was orbiting us at the distance of Pluto it would be the third brightest object in the sky, after the sun and the moon. What's more, brown dwarves are typically much more active in the infrared. What's more again, it would have a massive gravitational effect on the orbits of the outer planets of the solar system. For this to go undiscovered until the Spanish astronomers discovered it is simply impossible. The idea that the star isn't visible because it's situated near a bright star background is absurd.

Do you think there might be a reason that the Spanish astronomers have never submitted their work for peer review?

After a few paragraphs someone called Colleen Tomas makes a contribution and starts going on about a lot of things that are provably untrue. For instance,

"Note the blackness at the center of the above four photos. This is expected (by me) of any star that has phonons on the outside instead of on the inside like our Sun (Personal theory: matter and antimatter pick a magnetic zone to quadrant of in. Local space charge determines which type of matter will go inside and which goes outside)."

Note that she says it's expected "by me" and "personal theory". Not only does this make no scientific sense, it doesn't even make sense as a sentence. "matter and antimatter pick a magnetic zone to quadrant of in". What? She talks about all creation being made of matter-antimatter paired particles. No, because if it was there wouldn't be a creation, as it has been proved that when matter and antimatter interact, they are both destroyed.

This is all so full of holes I can't even be bothered carrying on. It's all rubbish, and I can only conclude that the people who wrote it are either incapable of doing the most basic research or are deliberately misleading their readers.

If there are any other parts of the article which you aren't sure about please point them out and I'll quite happily explain them.

[elcribbo]

Precise prediction of a cyclic manifestation is a very difficult thing to do

Sorry, but you literally couldn't be more wrong. The whole point of a cyclic event is that it is precisely predictable, especially in astronomical terms. The orbits of the planets can be calculated absolutely precisely, because their orbits are of a cyclical nature. For any planet or star or whatever to be passing Earth's orbit in 2012 it would already have to be near the object of Saturn.

And there's nothing there.

[elcribbo]

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/79/402/G1.9_Confirmed_Binary_Dwarf_Star_Very_Near_Sun.htm l

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guz6PROujcM

What was that about evidence? I do my research, its clear you dont.
Why are you spreading this disinformation?

Considering the errors in the article, do you want to talk more about disinformation?

[zsymon]

Thank you Elcribbo, for this very refreshing, scientifically advised light that
you have let shine on this awkward Nibiru concept. I cannot wrap my mind
around the fact that so many people desire for Nibiru to come and wage
war and destruction on our planet, while so many people on our planet are
already suffering so much.

Everything I learned and experienced spiritually, as well as what I have seen
on videos and channelings about Nibiru, tell me that there is simply no such
a thing as Nibiru anywhere near our solar system. Even if it were it would be
impossible to pass us anytime near 2012.

I wish people would let go of the desire for destruction and suffering, the
situation on our planet is bad enough without people wishing for alien wars
and mass depopulations.

[dryadlover]

[QUOTE=dryadlover;1059163066]Precise prediction of a cyclic manifestation is a very difficult thing to do[\QUOTE]

Sorry, but you literally couldn't be more wrong. The whole point of a cyclic event is that it is precisely predictable, especially in astronomical terms. The orbits of the planets can be calculated absolutely precisely, because their orbits are of a cyclical nature. For any planet or star or whatever to be passing Earth's orbit in 2012 it would already have to be near the object of Saturn.

And there's nothing there.

Only what you are able to perceive from a very limited perspective, based on the memory produced from the estimated assumption of the “past”. “Time” in itself is fluid and every “precise” calculation constantly changes,which may or may not be predictable, as the motion of things is eternal. Everything in existence has a cyclic nature, yet are you able to precisely predict everything?

Whenever something is acknowledged a limited prediction of measurement can be produced, yet the so called “planet x” or “nibiru” in itself is not acknowledged as a cyclic event by the ones who give you the most precise measurement data. Try calculating an orbit of some planetary body in, for example, “Rigel” solar system. First of all you will have to acknowledge that planetary body, then you will have to apply your technology in order to grasp an estimate calculation based on the perception of the data observed, which in itself is not guaranteed to be precise, then you will have to come to a general consensus, and only then release the information to the public, so that they may believe that the informative calculation given is true. Now, from that perspective our “planet X” phenomenon misses the point number one, which makes it officially non existent; if it does not exist it does not bear a cyclic nature at all, although if it does exist it will automatically have a cyclic nature of both itself and its orbit. I, personally, believe that it does exist based on my research. It all comes down to whether you believe the government or yourself. “Time” will show if this object is real or not. 2012 is the next estimate possible point of its arrival into the sector of visible perception.

[zsymon]

Dryadlover,

If we should believe the sources of your research, or sources similar to
your research, please believe me that I don't mean any offense, then we
should believe that all these things will happen in the year 2012:

- Alien invasions.
- Mass floodings.
- Mass earthquakes.
- Mass volcano eruptions.
- Mass depopulations.
- Meteor showers.
- A third world war.
- Nuclear fallout.
- Tsunamis all over.
- A New world order.
- Shifting poles.
- Mass solar flares.
- ...

All these things were predicted to happen at the year 2012, there is proof
for none of them though, and from everything I have learned and experienced
and researched, actually not a single of these horrible predictions will occur,
not one single event I listed will occur, this includes a Nibiru pass by, simply
will not happen.

These are all doom stories spread by the ruling elite and astral beings through
out the centuries, and they all had the same purpose: to hold people in fear
so they give away power over their lives, and so their spiritual path is held in
complete stagnation, as this is what fear does.. it blocks our spiritual path,
and more, it blocks our entire lives.

Mind my words, not a single of these events will ever occur..

I've looked into the future, and I see massive positive changes during the next
sixty years. After that the struggle is over and paradise will be created. Then
during the next 5000 years, the planet will be cleaned up and restored to its
natural beauty and health. Why do I think this? Because I've seen with my own
eyes that the struggle between Light and dark on Earth has been over for two
years now. We have won and it is only a matter of time and effort until the love
in our hearts conquers the hatred in the hearts of those who want destruction,
control and power.

[dryadlover]

Dryadlover,

I've looked into the future, and I see massive positive changes during the next
sixty years. After that the struggle is over and paradise will be created. Then
during the next 5000 years, the planet will be cleaned up and restored to its
natural beauty and health. Why do I think this? Because I've seen with my own
eyes that the struggle between Light and dark on Earth has been over for two
years now. We have won and it is only a matter of time and effort until the love
in our hearts conquers the hatred in the hearts of those who want destruction,
control and power.

I've looked into the future and have seen the direct opposite. Massive earth changes, wars, alien invasion, meteor showers and, yes, good old "Nibiru"
approach. Got to love polarity eh? :) No future is set in stone, however... But does it matter? What is important is the Now moment, nothing else matters. Whenever the now moment depends upon the past or the future of any kind, that is the sign of a non optimal spiritual path.

Knowing, that something "bad" may happen is, to my mind, a lot better than rejecting the possibility of its occurrence. Suddenness of an unexpected undesirable event is what creates the largest amount of fear despair and guilt. Awareness and knowledge of any possibilities ensures a profound protection from any events, that may hinder your spiritual progress. Being prepared for anything is always good and having an empty mind for any kind of illusory manifestation is the key for success.

[zsymon]

Being able to completely let go of fear, including the fear of death, and
having faith that you will be provided for with what you need in the future,
no matter what happens.. makes it a lot easier to be happy and productive,
and to change the lives of others for the better.

What good is someone doing that is spreading fear and the belief in these
horrible, fear based doom theories? Fear has never done anyone good, it
doesn't help with survival, as it causes paralysation and muscle weakness,
shock and apathy. Fear has never helped anyone survive in any situation,
people say a healthy dose of fear is helpful, but it really is not.

When you can let go of all fear, and your mind isn't constantly thinking
about what horrible things will happen in the future, then you can live in the
now, then you can live in the present, and lead a pleasant and productive life.

Whether bad things will happen or not, thinking about them and believing in
them, even if there is absolutely no proof to support these theories, will not
do anyone any good, ever. When they happen, life is over, no one will survive
no matter how hard you train your suvival skills.

So why fret over it, why spend your days being afraid of these theories, why
spend your time telling other people to be afraid, why spend your time telling
people the world will end? You're ruining your own life and the lives of others.

I will go on a wild guess and say that you actually want something horrible
to happen in the future.. if you are honest with yourself, you won't tell me that
I am wrong.

I'm not trying to judge you, I am just trying to show how focusing on such bad
and negative outcomes, will attract negative outcomes, not for the world but
for yourself.. and actually desiring for such horrors, will attract it even faster to
you personally.. as your thoughts and desires will form your future, not that of
others. You can wish for global destruction all you want, it won't happen. But
you will attract destruction to your own life this way.

[dryadlover]

Being able to completely let go of fear, including the fear of death, and
having faith that you will be provided for with what you need in the future,
no matter what happens.. makes it a lot easier to be happy and productive,
and to change the lives of others for the better.

What good is someone doing that is spreading fear and the belief in these
horrible, fear based doom theories? Fear has never done anyone good, it
doesn't help with survival, as it causes paralysation and muscle weakness,
shock and apathy. Fear has never helped anyone survive in any situation,
people say a healthy dose of fear is helpful, but it really is not.

When you can let go of all fear, and your mind isn't constantly thinking
about what horrible things will happen in the future, then you can live in the
now, then you can live in the present, and lead a pleasant and productive life.

Whether bad things will happen or not, thinking about them and believing in
them, even if there is absolutely no proof to support these theories, will not
do anyone any good, ever. When they happen, life is over, no one will survive
no matter how hard you train your suvival skills.

So why fret over it, why spend your days being afraid of these theories, why
spend your time telling other people to be afraid, why spend your time telling
people the world will end? You're ruining your own life and the lives of others.

I will go on a wild guess and say that you actually want something horrible
to happen in the future.. if you are honest with yourself, you won't tell me that
I am wrong.

I'm not trying to judge you, I am just trying to show how focusing on such bad
and negative outcomes, will attract negative outcomes, not for the world but
for yourself.. and actually desiring for such horrors, will attract it even faster to
you personally.. as your thoughts and desires will form your future, not that of
others. You can wish for global destruction all you want, it won't happen. But
you will attract destruction to your own life this way.

I suggest you read an analyze my previous post more carefully. About the now moment...

It is much more difficult than you think my friend, Fear is not something one can jut throw away out of his subconscious. If only it was that simple our world would be a happy place...

It is not. Conscious, subconscious, unconscious thought mechanism, especially emotional mechanism is very strictly tied to the genetic potential of the physical body. You only have a very limited amount of control of your subconscious mind in this current type of physical body, and the emotion mechanism comes strictly from the subconscious. It takes ages of practice and inner spiritual work to actually master a degree of the subconscious and get control of those emotions. In most cases experiencing scenario that produces fear, i.e. face it, is the only way to overcome that fear.

Telling people to reject and let go of fear is as much as telling them to leave in ignorance, for you might have overcome it, others did not. Rejecting the fear of any particular manifested illusory perception will make you afraid even more when this possible situation will actually be experienced. Ignorance endangers considerably.

Besides, there is a huge difference between the concept of fear and actually being afraid. Fear is just a concept, that human minds developed in order to characterize the actual experience of being afraid, being in agony and terror facing a situation that is oh so uncomfortable for your experience. As i stated rejecting the concept will not stop the subconscious chemical reaction, that will lead to the perception of the emotional state.

Now, i will be honest, i do not care if a global catastrophe will happen or will not happen in the future. This is something i keep an empty mind for. If it happens, great, what a profound experience; if it does not, great, i will continue living my happy and wonderful life getting more experience and knowledge every day. Any kind of possible scenario will make me happy.
If you are afraid of any particular scenario, that is your problematic challenge, i cannot overcome this for you :).

Besides "horrible" is a subjective term based on the lack of knowledge. Majority of the earth population will be a lot happier in the so called "after life" than they are now in their current states, yet, i do agree they will miss a considerable portion of important experience.

On top of that, there is infinite amount of 3rd density planet for souls to incarnate on, in case 3rd density earth becomes uninhabitable and they will desire the experience of this particular density. In the end, if you think about it, nothing is lost, despite any given scenario that manifests itself.

P.S. You are able to live in the now whenever you want, that is free will, that is what absolutely everyone has, that is a conscious choice, that is the beginning of freedom.

I also suggest that you cease your judgment about the desires and intentions of conscious entities. It is wise to respect every choice and desire, proclaiming it as "bad" and "horrible" is a sign of a very strong polarity thought system, which has nothing wrong in itself, yet will tend to produce undesirable misunderstandings and clashing of opinions, which may eventually lead to the manifestation of ,let us say, low state emotions.

[zsymon]

Well, if that is what you think, then so be it. :)

I respect your opinion, and you do raise some good points, but I don't think
we will ever agree about fear. I'm also not sure why you think I am afraid
about any particular situation that might happen in the future, I thought I
was pretty clear in my posts, that I have let go of fear.. once my fear of
death was completely gone, the rest of my fears followed suit. This is not
some incredibly complicated metaphysical process that takes years to do..
letting go of your fears is a decision, and once you have made the decision,
events will occur that will help you let go of all your fears.

Fear is not something that is part of us, it is something that enters our mind
from the outside, it is an energy that is sent to us from those beings who
thrive on fear. By letting go of fear and realizing it is not part of you, you
gain back control over your lives and you take away the power these beings
have over you.

[superearther]

For this to go undiscovered until the Spanish astronomers discovered it is simply impossible. The idea that the star isn't visible because it's situated near a bright star background is absurd.

Do you think there might be a reason that the Spanish astronomers have never submitted their work for peer review?

After a few paragraphs someone called Colleen Tomas makes a contribution and starts going on about a lot of things that are provably untrue. For instance,

"Note the blackness at the center of the above four photos. This is expected (by me) of any star that has phonons on the outside instead of on the inside like our Sun (Personal theory: matter and antimatter pick a magnetic zone to quadrant of in. Local space charge determines which type of matter will go inside and which goes outside)."

Note that she says it's expected "by me" and "personal theory". Not only does this make no scientific sense, it doesn't even make sense as a sentence. "matter and antimatter pick a magnetic zone to quadrant of in". What? She talks about all creation being made of matter-antimatter paired particles. No, because if it was there wouldn't be a creation, as it has been proved that when matter and antimatter interact, they are both destroyed.

This is all so full of holes I can't even be bothered carrying on. It's all rubbish, and I can only conclude that the people who wrote it are either incapable of doing the most basic research or are deliberately misleading their readers.

If there are any other parts of the article which you aren't sure about please point them out and I'll quite happily explain them.


most of the astronomy community (very similar to the science community)
are lying to us. Anything sensitive will be covered up and only a small few brave people have the guts to tell the truth. They are risking having nasa funding taken away because nasa didnt want such a discovery to be mentioned.

They have recently started to crank up censorship on youtube users by telling youtube to stop using soho or any other images they publish on their site. I think we have an information war between the public domain and the elite.

Further evidence i have seen is as follows.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Nibiru??? Proof From Nasa themselves that it isnt venus - YouTube
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
FANT�STICO NIBIRU...TERRIVELMENTE APAVORANTE...MENOMÓS AFTER 2012...BY SANTICMONIOUS. - YouTube
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

I can also base my findings on personal experience. I have been shown on many occasions that there will be two suns in the sky and this second sun will perturb our sun and cause massive destruction. I do not know when this will happen but i know for sure that it will happen because my angelic guides are giving me this information.

[princessofwands]

Superearther, how come it's above the sun in some pictures and beside the sun in others?

Channelled books I read in the 1990s by Julie Soskin talked about a 2nd sun appearing in our sky.

I also think the PTB would NOT want this info to get out (should it be true).

[dryadlover]

Every solar system in our universe of third density is a binary star system, for star themselves are more than stars. They are windows to other densities of existence through which light comes and manifests itself as a perceivable illusion. This is strictly a metaphysical concept.

Our solar system is no exception the principle of duality applies to the physical manifestation of the light that is perceived here in third density, i.e. in order to be manifested a light star will be having a dark star companion which together will form a correlation of a density window which will be able to support the manifestation of gravity-light/sound illusion for the perception of a consciousness unit.

This whole detailed process in itself is impossible for us to grasp here in third density, yet the basic concept for the duality of manifestation is very well obvious. Now why should one deny something that is natural for everything? It seems that people are just afraid, that something has a possibility to endanger and destroy the world they are currently occupying and thus dominating, or they are just simple afraid due to ignorance. If it happens, that this object will indeed produce earth changes and destabilize our society, this is how it is meant to be, consider yourself unlucky for being incarnated in this time period.

Now, is it all about doom and gloom? How can there be doom and gloom without life and joy here, in our reality? The merging of so called dualities will be perceived to form a window of opportunity and higher density light will be poured on our planet-reality thus making a possibility for consciousness to focus itself into the next density of existence. This is a completion of a grand cycle and the beginning of a new one. But how can consciousness jump from one reality into another one if it is so attached to its world thinking, that this is how things are meant to be? These will be the struggles, that will eventually lead one into a more vivid an happy illusion without the limitations and the restrains of the previous one, so that the eternal dance can yet be continued again in perfect harmony and balance with all that is.

Again, these are my beliefs supported by various sources all around the “world”…

[superearther]

Superearther, how come it's above the sun in some pictures and beside the sun in others?

Channelled books I read in the 1990s by Julie Soskin talked about a 2nd sun appearing in our sky.

I also think the PTB would NOT want this info to get out (should it be true).

could be down to co-ordinates and time of day. Thing is they cant stop people from doing home footage. Nasa have just banned the usage of their satellite pictures. Tells me the powers that be are censoring youtube and people are actually onto something.

[elcribbo]

Every solar system in our universe of third density is a binary star system

Not true.

[elcribbo]

could be down to co-ordinates and time of day. Thing is they cant stop people from doing home footage. Nasa have just banned the usage of their satellite pictures. Tells me the powers that be are censoring youtube and people are actually onto something.

Or it could be because you're looking at lens flare.

Can you give me some sources for NASA banning use of its photos? I haven't heard about that.

Not all astronomers work for NASA. Banning photos wouldn't stop the news from getting out.

[zsymon]

I notice people are throwing around a lot of "scientific facts", without ever
providing a scientific source for their claims. Is it really so that all solar
systems have binary stars? I kind of doubt that..

When I read science books, and I do, it always says that binary solar systems
are just as common as single solar systems.. obviously meaning that not all
solar systems have binary stars, but only about half of them.


Stars rarely, if ever, form in isolation. More often, a giant molecular cloud will create dozens
or hundreds of stars in relatively close proximity. Binary star systems, composed of two stars
orbiting their mutual center of gravity, are actually just as common as singles. For stars the
size of our Sun, about 50% form in binary systems.

In the search for other worlds like our own, should we limit ourselves to stars like our own?
Must we cut the field in half before we start looking? Might binary stars harbor Earth-like
planets as well?

http://www.physorg.com/news89031463.html

[dryadlover]

I notice people are throwing around a lot of "scientific facts", without ever
providing a scientific source for their claims. Is it really so that all solar
systems have binary stars? I kind of doubt that..

When I read science books, and I do, it always says that binary solar systems
are just as common as single solar systems.. obviously meaning that not all
solar systems have binary stars, but only about half of them.

Name me at least one star system, that does not have a dark star companion? Remember, our solar system did not also have a dark star, until it was eventually "discovered", now if it took us so "long" to discover a dark star in our solar system how long will i take to discover dark star in other star system?

Okay, if we take into consideration, that only half of the stars are binary, how many stars are in our universe in totality? Infinite? So, how does a half principle apply to infinity? Think about it, how can you measure something which you cannot comprehend, the only thing you can understand is the principle, and then decide, that it may be applicable to majority of the areas operating under that field. Considering stars, i do not doubt there are exceptions to the general rule, yet one thing i know for sure, our solar system is not an exception.

Besides, these are my beliefs, and i do not believe in "scientific facts".

[elcribbo]

Name me at least one star system, that does not have a dark star companion? Remember, our solar system did not also have a dark star, until it was eventually "discovered", now if it took us so "long" to discover a dark star in our solar system how long will i take to discover dark star in other star system?

When a star is in a binary system the stars orbit each other around a centre of gravity. We don't have to be able to see both stars in order to detect that both are there because we have instruments sufficiently sensitive to measure the 'bright' star's wobble in space. This is the way that we know of the existence of planets around other stars. Until very recently we couldn't actually see these planets, but we knew they were there. So even if one of the binary stars was 'dark' we would know it was there. (As an aside, we now have actual photos showing exoplanets, yet you're telling me that we can't detect an extra sun in our own solar system).

The reason our sun's companion has never been discovered (it still hasn't, despite a couple of dodgy videos) is because it doesn't exist. If there was a dark star anywhere near our sun it's movement in space would be impossible to miss, even to amateur astronomers. There is no movement, so there is no dark star. Unless of course it's a special magical star which doesn't have a gravitational field.

Okay, if we take into consideration, that only half of the stars are binary, how many stars are in our universe in totality? Infinite? So, how does a half principle apply to infinity? Think about it, how can you measure something which you cannot comprehend, the only thing you can understand is the principle, and then decide, that it may be applicable to majority of the areas operating under that field. Considering stars, i do not doubt there are exceptions to the general rule, yet one thing i know for sure, our solar system is not an exception.

False logic. By that logic if there is one example of a binary system in an infinite universe then there are an infinite number of binary systems, therefore all stars are in binary systems. That's not how it works.

Besides, these are my beliefs, and i do not believe in "scientific facts".

How can you not believe in "scientific facts"? Having beliefs which are not based on evidence or which, as in this case, are diametrically opposed to all the evidence, is known as "making stuff up".

[superearther]

Or it could be because you're looking at lens flare.

Can you give me some sources for NASA banning use of its photos? I haven't heard about that.

Not all astronomers work for NASA. Banning photos wouldn't stop the news from getting out.

yeah i sure can......

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

I have seen lots of videos with lens flare and i dont think any i have listed can be put down to the second sun image being that.

[magenta_moonshadow]

How come this 'second sun' is NEVER visible during total solar eclipses?:rolleyes:

I'll give you a clue...BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST!!!

[zsymon]

Name me at least one star system, that does not have a dark star companion? Remember, our solar system did not also have a dark star, until it was eventually "discovered", now if it took us so "long" to discover a dark star in our solar system how long will i take to discover dark star in other star system?

Okay, if we take into consideration, that only half of the stars are binary, how many stars are in our universe in totality? Infinite? So, how does a half principle apply to infinity? Think about it, how can you measure something which you cannot comprehend, the only thing you can understand is the principle, and then decide, that it may be applicable to majority of the areas operating under that field. Considering stars, i do not doubt there are exceptions to the general rule, yet one thing i know for sure, our solar system is not an exception.

Besides, these are my beliefs, and i do not believe in "scientific facts".

Well, it is not my intention to say that you are wrong, I know little about
astronomy, I just quoted a scientific journal about binary star systems. It
is just that scientists have found out a lot about astronomy, and more
often than not they proved to be right. I know they aren't correct about
everything though, like they completely misjudged the maximum size a sun
or star can possibly be.. so they have to rewrite the physics books about
that.

Elcribbo knows a lot more, so maybe you should speak with him about this.

[woodywood143]

How come this 'second sun' is NEVER visible during total solar eclipses?:rolleyes:

I'll give you a clue...BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST!!!

how come with all of our high tech telescopes we cant clearly see Pluto. Google it and look at the best pictures we have. If there is a planet beyond our solar system and we cant see Pluto how would we see it. I have read Sitchin, he has a good theory, it might not be perfect but it beats "and God created man from clay" besides the Church has been predicting the return of Christ for 1500 plus years. To each their own I say.

[guuna]

has anyone seen the latest issue of 'Fortean Times', there is a two page article on the whole planet x, Niburu thing. I have not yet had the chance to read the article. maybe someone could post it up?

[elcribbo]

how come with all of our high tech telescopes we cant clearly see Pluto. Google it and look at the best pictures we have. If there is a planet beyond our solar system and we cant see Pluto how would we see it. I have read Sitchin, he has a good theory, it might not be perfect but it beats "and God created man from clay" besides the Church has been predicting the return of Christ for 1500 plus years. To each their own I say.

If there was something that was going to arrive by 2012, it wouldn't be outside our Solar System. To get here on time it would have to be around the orbit of Saturn by now. In addition to that, if it was a brown dwarf star it would be one of the brightest things in the sky.

[ebenia]

You also have to remember that the people that are talking about doom times and that it has been shown to them, might be talking about our past. As we all know, time is not linear and it has been said that many people who have apocalyptic dreams and premonitions are actually seeing human life's past which many soul have come here to undo. So that did happen, but does it have to happen again?

You have to be very careful how you interpretate your premonitions and visions. They are not at all so literal as we might think.

In my opinion, there very well could be a planet called Nibiru, but that it would hit the Earth, well I think it is quite far fetched - even in my opinion. :D But if it does, I guess it is anyway over then. So no need to be fearful about it.

[the_gent]

If there was something that was going to arrive by 2012, it wouldn't be outside our Solar System. To get here on time it would have to be around the orbit of Saturn by now. In addition to that, if it was a brown dwarf star it would be one of the brightest things in the sky.

Get away from the 2012 thing, Sitchin doesn't mention 2012 as the arrival date of Nibiru.

[woodywood143]

If there was something that was going to arrive by 2012, it wouldn't be outside our Solar System. To get here on time it would have to be around the orbit of Saturn by now. In addition to that, if it was a brown dwarf star it would be one of the brightest things in the sky.

depends on how fast it was traveling, if your refering to the "speed" man can travel, then no it would not get here in time It only takes the suns light 5.3 minutes to reach Pluto

[superearther]

has anyone seen the latest issue of 'Fortean Times', there is a two page article on the whole planet x, Niburu thing. I have not yet had the chance to read the article. maybe someone could post it up?

What newsagents sell this? Will probably buy it.

[superearther]

If there was something that was going to arrive by 2012, it wouldn't be outside our Solar System. To get here on time it would have to be around the orbit of Saturn by now. In addition to that, if it was a brown dwarf star it would be one of the brightest things in the sky.

Where was 2012 mentioned? Sitchin states 2100 for arrival. I dont go by dates simply because i see them as guess work. Starviewer team says g19 (nibiru) is near pluto as they have been tracking it

[superearther]

You also have to remember that the people that are talking about doom times and that it has been shown to them, might be talking about our past. As we all know, time is not linear and it has been said that many people who have apocalyptic dreams and premonitions are actually seeing human life's past which many soul have come here to undo. So that did happen, but does it have to happen again?

You have to be very careful how you interpretate your premonitions and visions. They are not at all so literal as we might think.

In my opinion, there very well could be a planet called Nibiru, but that it would hit the Earth, well I think it is quite far fetched - even in my opinion. :D But if it does, I guess it is anyway over then. So no need to be fearful about it.

I think every species faces these threats because of cycles. I read somewhere the life cycle on this planet is 26 million years. We must face the facts that there will be events from one species to the next that encounter extinction. Its evolution.

Fear isnt reality agreed. We are eternal.

[woodywood143]

Where was 2012 mentioned? Sitchin states 2100 for arrival. I dont go by dates simply because i see them as guess work. Starviewer team says g19 (nibiru) is near pluto as they have been tracking it

+1 seeing how we "mankind" created our perseption of time. any planet that rotates faster or slower, or its orbit different than earth would be out of sync with our time.

[zsymon]

You also have to remember that the people that are talking about doom times and that it has been shown to them, might be talking about our past. As we all know, time is not linear and it has been said that many people who have apocalyptic dreams and premonitions are actually seeing human life's past which many soul have come here to undo. So that did happen, but does it have to happen again?

You have to be very careful how you interpretate your premonitions and visions. They are not at all so literal as we might think.

In my opinion, there very well could be a planet called Nibiru, but that it would hit the Earth, well I think it is quite far fetched - even in my opinion. :D But if it does, I guess it is anyway over then. So no need to be fearful about it.

You are raising some good points..

Depopulations, floodings, alien invasions, meteor showers, one world orders,
massive super volcanos, tremendous earthquakes, continents and islands
disappearing into the oceans.. all these things have already happened in
the past.

So yeah, when people see such predictions in their visions, they are either
being deceived by astral forces, or they are connecting with the past, as
none of these scenarios will occur anywhere within the next few thousands
of years.. and most of them will never occur within the future of the Earth
at all.

[superearther]

+1 seeing how we "mankind" created our perseption of time. any planet that rotates faster or slower, or its orbit different than earth would be out of sync with our time.

good point

[superearther]

Nibiru vom 5 Mai 2010 - YouTube

[princessofwands]

^ that's curious. If it's really 5 May, then it's not the moon as the sun and moon were in different signs that day.

Bob Dean (retired US army guy) says a lot about Niburu and its coming date (c. 2013) in this interesting video.

Project Camelot interviews Bob Dean: the Coming of Nibiru - YouTube

[superearther]

^ that's curious. If it's really 5 May, then it's not the moon as the sun and moon were in different signs that day.

Bob Dean (retired US army guy) says a lot about Niburu and its coming date (c. 2013) in this interesting video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM

thats a good interview....

[superearther]

NibirU VERY PLAUSIBLE .wmv - YouTube

[elcribbo]

Where was 2012 mentioned? Sitchin states 2100 for arrival. I dont go by dates simply because i see them as guess work. Starviewer team says g19 (nibiru) is near pluto as they have been tracking it

Don't the starviewer team say the object is a brown dwarf star?

Anyone with even a passing interest in astronomy will know that this is impossible, regardless of which orbit it's in.