Matrix Philosophy

[steevo]

I just found this. It sort of explains a little of movie, The Matrix :-

In the Matrix, which pill would you take, the red or the blue?

The question of which pill to take illustrates the personal aspect of the decision to study philosophy. Do you live on in ignorance (and potentially bliss) or do you lead what Aristotle called 'the examined life'...

The Matrix is a film filled with religious and philosophical symbolism. The plot supposes that humans live in vats many years in the future, being fed false sensory information by a giant virtual reality computer (the Matrix). The perpetrators of this horror are machines of the future who use humans as a source of power. Humans are literally farmed.

The central character of the film, Neo, is presented to us in the opening part of the film as a loner who is searching for a mysterious character called Morpheus (named after the Greek god of dreams and sleep). He is also trying to discover the answer to the question "What is the Matrix?"

Morpheus contacts Neo just as the machines (posing as sinister 'agents') are trying to keep Neo from finding out any more. When Morpheus and Neo meet, Morpheus offers Neo two pills. The red pill will answer the question "what is the Matrix?" (by removing him from it) and the blue pill simply for life to carry on as before. As Neo reaches for the red pill Morpheus warns Neo "Remember, all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more."

The film as a whole and especially the choosing scene is deeply compelling. Why is the choice between what you believe you know and an unknown 'real' truth so fascinating? How could a choice possibly be made? On the one hand everyone you love and everything that you have built you life upon. One the other the promise only of truth.
http://www.arrod.co.uk/images/blue-pill1.jpghttp://www.arrod.co.uk/images/red-pill1.jpg
The question then is not about pills, but what they stand for in these circumstances. The question is asking us whether reality, truth, is worth pursuing. The blue pill will leave us as we are, in a life consisting of habit, of things we believe we know. We are comfortable, we do not need truth to live. The blue pill symbolises commuting to work every day, or brushing your teeth.

The red pill is an unknown quantity. We are told that it can help us to find the truth. We don't know what that truth is, or even that the pill will help us to find it. The red pill symbolises risk, doubt and questioning. In order to answer the question, you can gamble your whole life and world on a reality you have never experienced.

However, in order to investigate which course of action to take we need to investigate why the choice is faced. Why should we even have to decide whether to pursue truth?

Read it in full here :-

http://www.arrod.co.uk/essays/matrix.php

[tejas]

Heh reading it now, awesone

[joss classey]

quite a tame perspective this one

there are much deeper levels in which to delve in this film

[steevo]

quite a tame perspective this one

there are much deeper levels in which to delve in this film

Maybe, but it's a good start :)

[joss classey]

Maybe, but it's a good start :)

of course yes

and i appreciate you posting it :)

(me = matrix lover)

[baron von lotsov]

Another brainwashing film, indeed one of the worst since the telletubbies. Why bother with it? Red is socialism anyway, they want you to believe right wing is extreme and the thing of the past and that world socialism is the future, the red pill. Red also signifies danger, why on earth would you expose yourself through choice to be in danger? It's much like the spirit of Marxism where there was a spirit of rebellion. Lucifer being the ultimate rebel, he rebelled against God or if you are not religious you could make sense of it as rebelling against nature or life. That equals death by the way, the opposite of life.

Then of course there is this very Masonic aspect to it where there are hidden secrets or something along the lines of what the rings signified in Lord of the Rings and that kind of thing. It's the power of knowledge and this is Illumi think. Knowledge represents power and that power can be used to dominate. Taken to the extreme this power can be expressed as man becoming God, as is what the Humanists believed in. You end up with a society that is dictated to by the elite under these circumstances.

[steevo]

of course yes

and i appreciate you posting it :)

(me = matrix lover)

Actual joss, I would actually like to delve into deeper levels of this film. If you (or anyone else) find anything INTERESTING, then please post it on here :)

[steevo]

Another brainwashing film, indeed one of the worst since the telletubbies. Why bother with it? Red is socialism anyway, they want you to believe right wing is extreme and the thing of the past and that world socialism is the future, the red pill. Red also signifies danger, why on earth would you expose yourself through choice to be in danger? It's much like the spirit of Marxism where there was a spirit of rebellion. Lucifer being the ultimate rebel, he rebelled against God or if you are not religious you could make sense of it as rebelling against nature or life. That equals death by the way, the opposite of life. .

I didnt see the film in that way so I have to disagree. Having said that i only watched it the once, years ago, so maybe I will watch it again.

Then of course there is this very Masonic aspect to it where there are hidden secrets or something along the lines of what the rings signified in Lord of the Rings and that kind of thing. It's the power of knowledge and this is Illumi think. Knowledge represents power and that power can be used to dominate. Taken to the extreme this power can be expressed as man becoming God, as is what the Humanists believed in. You end up with a society that is dictated to by the elite under these circumstances.

I think the knowledge that we will get from the red pill will make an equal playing field for people, we need to know who/what we are before we can maybe experience reality (whatever that is :))

In my opinion, the knowledge gives us the power to ENPOWER OURSELVES. The knowledge is being suppressed from us so that the "evil" people can be like gods and rule over us.

[mkpetrov]

Another brainwashing film, indeed one of the worst since the telletubbies. Why bother with it? Red is socialism anyway, they want you to believe right wing is extreme and the thing of the past and that world socialism is the future, the red pill. Red also signifies danger, why on earth would you expose yourself through choice to be in danger? It's much like the spirit of Marxism where there was a spirit of rebellion. Lucifer being the ultimate rebel, he rebelled against God or if you are not religious you could make sense of it as rebelling against nature or life. That equals death by the way, the opposite of life.

Then of course there is this very Masonic aspect to it where there are hidden secrets or something along the lines of what the rings signified in Lord of the Rings and that kind of thing. It's the power of knowledge and this is Illumi think. Knowledge represents power and that power can be used to dominate. Taken to the extreme this power can be expressed as man becoming God, as is what the Humanists believed in. You end up with a society that is dictated to by the elite under these circumstances.
Totally disagree. Socialism? Well, red is just colour - should we ban it or something, just because socialism is also related to it? If you don`t like socialism, then why should link red pill (Or whatever red thing) to it? That`s not brainwashing from the movie, but from within yourself.
Red means danger? Yea, of course. So what? Are you trying to say that we should stay in the comfort zone, because safety is better than freedom and knowledge? That`s exactly what blue pill is. No risk, no win. And the movie doesn`t try to hide the fact that the red pill means danger, so I don`t see a problem and brainwashing.
Sorry for my bad english. ;)

[joss classey]

think first of the creation of a.i

man becomes god and creates life in his own image. man abuses his creation. his creation rebels for equality. division is created

look to the city. the world neo sees in the last film. without eyes it is made of light for life powers it. it is beautiful to him. the idea underlying that the a.i is man and man's decision deep in the psyche to stop the search for knowledge in the realisation that no answer will ever be met.

think then outside of time to the sacrifice. giving of life

did man ever lose control? think of destiny, prophecy. cycles of life and the struggle for meaning.

deep does it go. endless it is the rabbit hole as is the equation of infinity limited

[baron von lotsov]

Totally disagree. Socialism? Well, red is just colour - should we ban it or something, just because socialism is also related to it? If you don`t like socialism, then why should link red pill (Or whatever red thing) to it? That`s not brainwashing from the movie, but from within yourself.
Red means danger? Yea, of course. So what? Are you trying to say that we should stay in the comfort zone, because safety is better than freedom and knowledge? That`s exactly what blue pill is. No risk, no win. And the movie doesn`t try to hide the fact that the red pill means danger, so I don`t see a problem and brainwashing.
Sorry for my bad english. ;)

I was just kicking about with a few psychological associations but I didn't mention the main one since I figured you people had already figured that one out. It is that reality is nothing more than an illusion or a psychological perception. It's the philosophy of Idealism.

If you don't know what that is look it up.

Idealism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[razed1]

baron,

why do u need to have a title of 'baron'

youre just promoting elitist classism that this illuminati has introduced to the human conscousness

(oh no! i used the word 'consciousness', now this be looked at as a new agey tripe, and totally ignored by his highness the baroness! omg! what to do now! :eek: )

[baron von lotsov]

baron,

why do u need to have a title of 'baron'

youre just promoting elitist classism that this illuminati has introduced to the human conscousness

(oh no! i used the word 'consciousness', now this be looked at as a new agey tripe, and totally ignored by his highness the baroness! omg! what to do now! :eek: )

Because it's tongue in cheek. Plus it reminds you of whom the elite are, pretenders in other words, self-appointed and that sort of thing.

[razed1]

so you are following their example?

[baron von lotsov]

so you are following their example?

No, I'm exposing it.

[razed1]

No, I'm exposing it.

this brings up the 'opposames' comment that icke does

if youre exposing and are against the illuminati and their ways


then why would you choose to refer to youself in a term used by corrupt illuminati 'nobles'

like you fav researcher tsarion said once, (speaking on all these scientists and researchers getting awards and medals from the queen of england and such), he says why are putting yourself in a lower position by accepting/wanting these honours frm such corrupt ppl,

your own worth should not have antyhing to do from an outside source, nevertheless such a corrupt one

[a_fighter]

this brings up the 'opposames' comment that icke does

if youre exposing and are against the illuminati and their ways


then why would you choose to refer to youself in a term used by corrupt illuminati 'nobles'

like you fav researcher tsarion said once, (speaking on all these scientists and researchers getting awards and medals from the queen of england and such), he says why are putting yourself in a lower position by accepting/wanting these honours frm such corrupt ppl,

your own worth should not have antyhing to do from an outside source, nevertheless such a corrupt one

Why do you assume that all nobles are corrupt? Its just like CEO's and business executives. Everyone strives to become rich and powerful and when they done they are called corrupt and liars. Dont be so jealous.

[baron von lotsov]

this brings up the 'opposames' comment that icke does

if youre exposing and are against the illuminati and their ways


then why would you choose to refer to youself in a term used by corrupt illuminati 'nobles'




I'm not but then I did not invent the username for dunces either. It's called humour. Like a cartoon that exaggerates certain features to make an obvious point. durrr.

[razed1]

because normal human beings have no need for titles or elitism, its only the illuminati bloodlines that brought in this whole idea of monarchy and so called 'nobility'

if there was no external illuminati influence into mankind, we would all be living peacefully with our respective families on a ranch somewhere



only these corrupt illuminati descendants of these 'nephilim' have the need to feel superior to the adams and eves (ie. regular humans)

[razed1]

I'm not but then I did not invent the username for dunces either. It's called humour. Like a cartoon that exaggerates certain features to make an obvious point. durrr.


ya well all the posts ive seen of yours have been lacking in the humour dept

:p

[dondaz]

It would be great if there were more things about the Matrix in this thread. It was getting good untill the diversion:rolleyes:

[steevo]

It would be great if there were more things about the Matrix in this thread. It was getting good untill the diversion:rolleyes:

Yeah I was thinking the very same thing :confused:

[joss classey]

let's get it back on track then!

It's interesting to think about the idea of the 'matrix within the matrix'

The idea that even the outside 'real world' is just another part of the matrix. I think this is hinted on throughout the films. Neo is just another, one of many who have come before.
It's a tricky one to come to any conclusions on but worth considering.
I remember when I first started analysing the film. It was at the same time I was studying Marxist social criticism. I remember looking at the notion of belief as a distraction from reality. Of course within the matrix there is religion. And that being, 'the opium of society'

The film also makes a good point of the 'earth shattering realisation'. That moment when Neo becomes self aware of his reality. I see this being done by the likes of Derren Brown. Making them believe a reality and then tell them it was all in their mind. That too is a life shattering realisation in itself and one also which is a great tool for allowing people to become self-aware. It also reminds me of those times every so often where you suddenly realise you're alive and you go, 'oh shit. i'm alive'

[tinmenace]

Another brainwashing film, indeed one of the worst since the telletubbies. Why bother with it? Red is socialism anyway, they want you to believe right wing is extreme and the thing of the past and that world socialism is the future, the red pill. Red also signifies danger, why on earth would you expose yourself through choice to be in danger? It's much like the spirit of Marxism where there was a spirit of rebellion. Lucifer being the ultimate rebel, he rebelled against God or if you are not religious you could make sense of it as rebelling against nature or life. That equals death by the way, the opposite of life.

Then of course there is this very Masonic aspect to it where there are hidden secrets or something along the lines of what the rings signified in Lord of the Rings and that kind of thing. It's the power of knowledge and this is Illumi think. Knowledge represents power and that power can be used to dominate. Taken to the extreme this power can be expressed as man becoming God, as is what the Humanists believed in. You end up with a society that is dictated to by the elite under these circumstances.

Have you seen The Matrix? And if so, did you comprehend it?

[razed1]

It would be great if there were more things about the Matrix in this thread. It was getting good untill the diversion:rolleyes:

yea nice diversion

some ppl need to be exposed for faulty views, doenst matter the time or the place

you understand?

[_neo2_]

I think the red and blue pills symbolised that of masonry(red,blue lodge), and neos awakening
was depicting the rituals of masonic societies.
notice when neo unplugs how the machine with the one all seeing eye
grips neo around the throat stares at him but doesnt harm him.
he's been shown the truth and has had the threat as masons do.

then when neo is discarded,he is lifted up to a square light(masonic term "on the square",with a triangular lights surrounding.all symbolic of his enlightenment.


The Matrix symbolism-masonic oath - YouTube

[baron von lotsov]

Have you seen The Matrix? And if so, did you comprehend it?


Yes. I have seen the first one and I saw the second one at a cinema in Malta a few years back since I was out with a few people who all wanted to watch it. From an entertainment point of view the first was much better than the second since it has a bit of a plot to it but I was most disappointed with the second and hated all of the subliminals. It's a bit like the same thing they did with Star Wars, the elite had something to communicate and so they made a film out of it and sold it out many times. If I were Icke I'd cut any association with red/blue pills, Alice in Wonderland and all of that crap. However I'm not Icke.

[tinmenace]

Yes. I have seen the first one and I saw the second one at a cinema in Malta a few years back since I was out with a few people who all wanted to watch it. From an entertainment point of view the first was much better than the second since it has a bit of a plot to it but I was most disappointed with the second and hated all of the subliminals. It's a bit like the same thing they did with Star Wars, the elite had something to communicate and so they made a film out of it and sold it out many times. If I were Icke I'd cut any association with red/blue pills, Alice in Wonderland and all of that crap. However I'm not Icke.

I have to agree, the first one was by far the best, and also the most thought provoking.

I did enjoy the entire series. I bring the DVD's out once or twice a year with a big bowl of popcorn and make a day of it.

[joss classey]

yea nice diversion

some ppl need to be exposed for faulty views, doenst matter the time or the place

you understand?

maybe you can do it via pm next time

[razed1]

maybe you can do it via pm next time

what for?

[joss classey]

what for?

so that it doesn't distract from the main point of the thread topic, which was opened incidentally to discuss it.

[razed1]

i feel this should be a public thrashing

[joss classey]

i feel this should be a public thrashing

well then make your own thread about it. that's what i do

(see now i'm contradicting myself by talking about this which has no relevance to anything)

[razed1]

hey its cool, the matrix movies have been discussed to oblivion


but i think ppl are looking at this matrix thing from a wrong pov, this is partly due to david icke work on the 'matrix' and stuff, i can see where he was goin with it, but it caused a lot of confusion

if ppl wanna call this illuminati control grid or being trapped in the five sense reality the matrix, thats cool, but i think we should difrentiate

the way i see it is, i equate the matrix as what neo 'sees' when hes finally realised his powers in the first movie, the matrix is like the "FORCE" in the star wars,

an unending field of LiGhT, expanding at an infinite rate over an infinite speed :D


we are already there, its just we consciously have lost track, and that all this 2012 is , an immersion back into the light, where eventually it will fade over the time-space

and we will find ourselves back into the depths of (spiritual) darkness we find ourselves now

just like in the matrix, when neo meets the 'architect (another masonic term), the architect says this scenario has been played over and over at least six times

thus the dance of light and dark, yin and yang, continues, like kung fu,

the legend continues