Why Are the NWO Satanic?

[f13ticket]

How did Satanism and the NWO become tied together when they should be bitter enemies?

I my humble view, it seems to me that the New World Order should be appalled at Satan, not hailing him. While researching Satanism in both its Theistic and Symbolic forms, it seems to me to be a religion of personal power, personal responsibility, and very much into the idea of freedom. So much so it champions the concept of self deification and offers it to everyone. Much the same as the New Age and the Occult.

Excuse me, did I miss something?

Those who are trying to take over the world, kill most people, and enslave the rest are certainly looking for either a literal or symbolic Godhood no doubt. But they are not extending this invitation to the public at large. Rather, they are trying to deny the public this birthright. The first type of religion, and only main one, that I know of to wage a war against self deification and keep a specific strata of rulers at the top was the Abrahamic religions. Specifically the Catholic church with zest.

Why is everything upside down?

The Christians seem to be the beginning roots of the core network of what they should call Satanic in the modern world. It is similar to when Bush would talk about the evil conspiracy that he was supposedly fighting but everyone in the know knew he was really part of making it happen. Bush was allegedly fighting a huge world-wide organization that ruled through fear; yet he, his father, and those behind the Bush and Clinton families are those that are this real organization of the Illuminati. When major Christian institutions call Satan, I think we should not forget that the core of the Illuminati ran (if not created) and stepped out of the Christian machine.

And what awfulness that they have hogged the light barer to themselves, and did wicked works in his name. They monopolize the knowledge of and from Lucifer, then try to wipe it out by creating a religion that hates it (to vacuum it out of the world) and Atheism to trick people that it doesn't exist.

The Devil's greatest trick is not convincing the world he doesn't exist. That belongs to the Illuminati. Who's greatest deception was deceiving themselves that they own Lucifer for themselves.

Lucifer offered Eve the Apple that allowed her to self deify. To gain wisdom and knowledge of life, death, good, and evil. If Satan and his Angels really hated mankind, and wanted us dead, then why did he offer us the same thing he rebelled against God for?(the ability to self deify.) And why do the Illuminati, who claim and pretend to be Lucifer's servants, actively deny the world his gifts to us whilst masquerading in his symbols and rituals?

Many people never listen to Satanic thought. Listening to Satanic thought, I would have thought the Devil himself wrote the Constitution and gave mankind the ideas of freedom. There is a reason Christians lump New Age, Pagan, Occult, and Satanism together; they almost all focus on magic and self deification. The want of self deification being the "sin" that Jehovah is said to have cast Satan out of Heaven for.

Did Christians take over and try to give Satan a bad name? Are Christians the Illuminati? Or are the Illuminati the Devil's rejects? Too greedy and self centered for Lucifer, so they destroy in the name that they are not fit to praise in? As they would not rid themselves of inner evil.

New Age, Pagan, and Occult have deep ties with Satanic thought. Satanism, as far as I can tell, is a rather New Religion that is a patchwork of the New Age, Pagan, and Occult. Satanism takes the old traditions, calls the chief deity Satan, and there it is. The New Age take the traditions, calls the chief deity Oneness, tries to scrub Satan out of it as much as possible, and there it is. Christians are not wrong in lumping us together, so why do we not want to be together?

David Icke seems to be against Satanism, when much of what he says in his books match up with Satanic values and views.

Am I missing something?

At what point did the Babylonian Mystery School religions go wrong? Did the original Masons and Thelemites know Lucifer to be a being of light a good, and greed led them astray? Did modern Satanism rise up to put an end to the lies and distortions of those who are simply greedy and hide behind Satanism, using its rituals and language, yet pervert its meaning?

How did Satanism and the NWO become tied together when they should be bitter enemies?

[joeman_0]

It is Satanic because David Icke said so. Case closed.

[f13ticket]

It is Satanic because David Icke said so. Case closed.

Unfortunately, this seems to be the answer we are given.

I think both David Icke and Alex Jones might be using the term too loosely. Christians have long labeled anything evil as Satanic. And, in an effort to not be labeled evil by te Christians; New Age has long tried to wash away the Satanic vocabulary but also keep the Satanic thought. It's like the New Age went from Pokemon Red to Pokemon Blue.

No, no, the New Age doesn't fallow Satan with, his (angles) demons, to have a goal of self deification. The New Age likes Oneness, fallows our higher selves and or "higher beings," and just so happens to have the goal of self deification.

Sense when does changing the names turn Satanism into New Age? It doesn't fool the Christians, why does it fool New Age people? They call us Satanic and evil not because we are evil but because we fallow Satanic thought which promotes freedom and self deification.

Icke is supposed to be about truth, why does he not stop slandering Satanism and just call the evil he's against mystery schools gone bad? That's what it looks like to me. Am I wrong?

[bougz]

It is Satanic because David Icke said so. Case closed.

Oh OK case closed. I can go back to bed...phew!
Oh wait....if icke says its Satan than it is:rolleyes: but wait!:eek: there's no Christ according to this saviour of sheepish followers so...if Christianity is not real then Satanism is not real! There is no dark without light! Case closed!

We can all go back to normal? This was jolly good fun!:cool:

[hmz16]

Satan is cancerous consciousness.

[f13ticket]

Oh OK case closed. I can go back to bed...phew!
Oh wait....if icke says its Satan than it is:rolleyes: but wait!:eek: there's no Christ according to this saviour of sheepish followers so...if Christianity is not real then Satanism is not real! There is no dark without light! Case closed!

We can all go back to normal? This was jolly good fun!:cool:

There good be good without evil and visa versa. It never ceases to amaze me how people get fooled by that one. If someone smack's someone across the head, it hurts. If someone has organism, it feels good. Someone might have ten thousand orgasms and never be smacked upside the head. Thus, they can feel pleasure, knowing it is good and pleasure, without the need to feel pain to compare it to.

Further, you are pre-assuming that Satanism has any large extent to do with Christianity. While there are some forms of Theistic Satanism that does, many do not. Many forms of Satanism, theistic and symbolic, have no need for and nothing to do with Christianity at all. Really, best I can tell so far, many Satanic traditions are really a patchwork of the Occult, New Age, and Pagan. Those things that existed before, after, and yet still largely if not entirely outside of and independent of Christianity.

Satan is cancerous consciousness.

You made a statement, care to elaborate?

Seems to me it is Christianity that spreads like a virus, trying to wipe out all other religions and Spiritual traditions in its rampaging way.

[bougz]

[QUOTE=f13ticket;1059005716]There good be good without evil and visa versa. It never ceases to amaze me how people get fooled by that one. If someone smack's someone across the head, it hurts. If someone has organism, it feels good. Someone might have ten thousand orgasms and never be smacked upside the head. Thus, they can feel pleasure, knowing it is good and pleasure, without the need to feel pain to compare it to.

Further, you are pre-assuming that Satanism has any large extent to do with Christianity. While there are some forms of Theistic Satanism that does, many do not. Many forms of Satanism, theistic and symbolic, have no need for and nothing to do with Christianity at all. Really, best I can tell so far, many Satanic traditions are really a patchwork of the Occult, New Age, and Pagan. Those things that existed before, after, and yet still largely if not entirely outside of and independent of Christianity.


Uh...I guess I was being sarcastic. I didn't assume anything at all.
I just don't think some dude that says Christ ain't real but points his crooked finger at Tptb and say uh...its Satanism to the Max! Bull...cough...shit!

Yes Christians are wackos! I had a long discussion with one the other night
at a party. How can someone preach when they got the foul smell of cigarette smoke and whiskey on there breath? This Guy asked me if I had God in my life? And if I knew of heaven? I said its there and heaven none wont see cause of the trap were in! The God here rules. Ya want that God who dwells in heaven? well its not here!

Christians are full of shit! You are worse than it gets.
while your fist in the air! You badger tptb! Haha your no better!

[gabeygoat]

no where in the bible does it assert that the serpent in the garden was satan.

[ogcheshirecat]

Satan is cancerous consciousness.

Agreed. In every study I've done anything "evil" or related to "Satan" had one thing in common: deception. There's no rules, no laws to this thing, just a big collective virus moving through the Universal Being and we're the white blood cells having a big hand shake us awake saying "come on, time to work."

[marpat]

no where in the bible does it assert that the serpent in the garden was satan.

Very true. The serpent was the most subtle of beasts in genesis but satan is a fallen angel, totally different nature

[marpat]

Satan is cancerous consciousness.

Is he though?in the book of job he merely is the tester of souls. In that book he sits with the sons of god before the throne

[marpat]

How did Satanism and the NWO become tied together when they should be bitter enemies?

I my humble view, it seems to me that the New World Order should be appalled at Satan, not hailing him. While researching Satanism is both its Theistic and Symbolic forms, it seems to me to be a religion of personality power, personal responsibility, and very much into the idea of freedom. So much so it champions the concept of self deification and offers it to everyone. Much the same as the New Age and the Occult.

Excuse me, did I miss something?

Those who are trying to take over the world, kill most people, and enslave the rest are certainly looking for either a literal or symbolic Godhood no doubt. But they are not extending this invitation to the public at large. Rather, they are trying to deny the public this birthright. The first type of religion, and only main one, that I know of to wage a war against self deification and keep a specific strata of rulers at the top was the Abrahamic religions. Specifically the Catholic church with zest.

Why is everything upside down?

The Christians seem to be the beginning roots of the core network of what they should call Satanic in the modern world. It is similar to when Bush would talk about the evil conspiracy that he was supposedly fighting but everyone in the know knew he was really part of making it happen. Bush was allegedly fighting a huge world-wide organization that ruled through fear; yet he, his father, and those behind the Bush and Clinton families are those that are this real organization of the Illuminati. When major Christian institutions call Satan, I think we should not forget that the core of the Illuminati ran (if not created) and stepped out of the Christian machine.

And what awfulness that they have hogged the light barer to themselves, and did wicked works in his name. They monopolize the knowledge of and from Lucifer, then try to wipe it out by creation a religion that hates it (to vacuum it out of the world) and Atheism to trick people that it doesn't exist.

The Devil's greatest trick is not convincing the world he doesn't exist. That belongs to the Illuminati. Who's greatest deception was deceiving themselves that they own Lucifer for themselves.

Lucifer offered Eve the Apple that allowed her to self deify. To gain wisdom and knowledge of life, death, good, and evil. If Satan and his Angels really hated mankind, and wanted us dead. Then why did he offer us the same thing he rebelled against God for, the ability to self deify. And why do the Illuminati, who claim and pretend to be Lucifer's servants, actively deny the world his gifts to us whilst masquerading in his symbols and rituals.

Many people never listen to Satanic thought. Listening to Satanic thought, I would have thought the Devil himself wrote the Constitution and gave mankind the ideas of freedom. There is a reason Christians lump New Age, Pagan, Occult, and Satanism together; they almost all focus on magic and self deification. The wan of self deification being the "sin" that Jehovah is said to have cast Satan out of Heaven for.

Did Christians take over and try to give Satan a bad name? Are Christians the Illuminati? Or are the Illuminati the Devil's rejects? Too greedy and self centered for Lucifer, so they destroy in the name that they are not fit to praise in? As they would not rid themselves of inner evil.

New Age, Pagan, and Occult have deep ties with Satanic thought. Satanism, as far as I can tell, is a rather New Religion that is a patchwork of the New Age, Pagan, and Occult. Satanism takes the old traditions, calls the chief deity Satan, and there it is. The New Age take the traditions, calls the chief deity Oneness, tries to scrub Satan out of it as much as possible, and there it is. Christians are not wrong in lumping us together, so why do we not want to be together?

David Icke seems to be against Satanism, when much of what he says in his books match up with Satanic values and views.

Am I missing something?

At what point did the Babylonian Mystery School religions go wrong? Did the original Masons and Thelemites know Lucifer to be a being of light a good, and greed led them astray? Did modern Satanism rise up to put an end to the lies and distortions of those who are simply greedy and hide behind Satanism, use its rituals and language, yet pervert its meaning?

How did Satanism and the NWO become tied together when they should be bitter enemies?

Because the people who originated all this stuff are US based, hard core christians who dont like anything being done that offends their beliefs, such as having a lot of jewish influence in their nations affairs. They then presume that it is satans work, as who else would offend their christian ways, and then they tie in everything they can that they consider anti-christian, such as freemasonry, magic, spiritual development, the new age, etc. until what you have is a massive organism of projected anti-christian paranoia. Simple as that

[marpat]

It is Satanic because David Icke said so. Case closed.

And yet he is friends with a shaman who ate a hand from a corpse to 'gain knowledge' and who's tribe sacrifices animals to serpents, who they believe are their ancestors. Double standards from the man I think, especially when he says satanism is the serpent cult

[verndewd]

they arent satanic, satanists believe that lucifer is god.

Luciferians believe they can be gods

religion proposes that we can be one IN god

quantum sciences seem to imply that we are aspects of god


There are certain aspects surrounding them that are satanic, like these zionist jews and other abortive belief systems.

The elite are more along the lines of annunaki enochian solomon davidians. Youd be surprised , wed all be surprised at what their core beliefs may be. If youre ready fro the truth, christianity is mostly watered down lucifreianism Or satanism since it places a being at the helm of itself where beingness truly exists.

[aejor_mn]

All is one and one is All.

God created everything (not satan disguised as yahweh), including the evil familes who revolted from God. God creates everything else imitates.

Just as God is very real, so was satan.
It's easier to think of them as "Energies" of our Universe > All is One.

satan's energy grew to some 7 light years in size as my actual hubble space telescope Secret of Carina picture shows you or the pit in Kenya where satan fell on his voodoo home turf. The 3 headed dragon is also visible their with yahweh as one of the beasts heads and dressed like an hermphrodite nun.

Everything was taught and learned in Egypt including Qabbalah and secrets of the underworld that became kabbalah, satanism, crowley, etc or the arts of the underworld.

Thus, these were initiated and private centers for learning the black arts or the ritual of murdering the Son of Man to power up satan's dominion. ie the serapaeum, sun temples or osirion worhsippers of sirius and orion > warrior > satan.

satan was their master ie 888 while it's servants (satan was a hermaphrodite > circumcision ritual) are 666.

These "Red Shields" and followers know how to envoke demons and evil spirits much the same way the voodoo witches do.

These demons or evil spirits will do things for them ( ie. this evil energy) in exchange for blood sacrifices (ie yahweh) and their souls (ie energy) in exchange. (ie, 911, world wars, etc)

The term "Reptillians" is really envoked demons or people possessed by them, ie it appears as if they are shapeshifting at times, but really they are just distorted by an energy field...get it?

I feel that David Icke used this term of Reptillians to cause less panic and the fact that they are satanists or whatever else David and this website says about them.

This demons or evil spirits can tell them things, secrets that only you would know, or they can cause bad things to happen including with nature like toronados, hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, etc.

And they can read your mind if they want to, so they can know your next move, especially useful in military.

Think of it as 100mbs wireless technology or instant. However you can trick them by thinking strongly of something else.

For example if you hear voices that seem too real to believe and ask them what color are your shoes?

You know they are brown for example, but think green and they will answer you green...get it?

Hope that answers your question. Believe it or not!

My pictures should convince you, just go to my Garden of Avil in my website link in my signature.

Besides, I have personaly experienced those voices a few years ago.

They can also use wireless technology like your network cards in your computers if they want.

By the way the zionist star of david IS satan's star > hexagram.
If you don't believe me, just put three small rectangular mirrors inside a toilet paper roll and AT YOUR OWN RISK look through to witness it's power. This was the portal for satan and it's hordes to be envoked during the ritual of the pentagram that creates a hexagram portal force field.

The pentagram or 5 is really one of God's tools to protect. That is why they use it to protect themselves from the demons they envoke...sometimes.

Very quickly I would advise or preferrably not at all!


NWO = ZMO = ZIONIST MASONIC OLIGARCHY
911,IRAQ,AFGHANISTAN,IRAN, OSAMA B LADEN = PNAC / APAIC = ISRAEL = RED SHIELDS = ASHKENAZI = GERMAN JEWS = ROTHCHILDS, THE QUEEN AND FRIENDS

ELI -ZA-BETH = LORDESS SATAN'S HOUSE
PRINCE CHARLES = BLACK PRINCE SERVANT TO THE RED DRAGON SHIELD

OBAMA HUSSEIN BARACK - GET IT? PSEUDO-PSYCHO NAME TO EASE THE TENSIONS. IE SADDAM AND OSAMA.

[marpat]

they arent satanic, satanists believe that lucifer is god.

Luciferians believe they can be gods

religion proposes that we can be one IN god

quantum sciences seem to imply that we are aspects of god


There are certain aspects surrounding them that are satanic, like these zionist jews and other abortive belief systems.

The elite are more along the lines of annunaki enochian solomon davidians. Youd be surprised , wed all be surprised at what their core beliefs may be. If youre ready fro the truth, christianity is mostly watered down lucifreianism Or satanism since it places a being at the helm of itself where beingness truly exists.

So is jesus a luciferian then as he did say we are as gods when he quoted a pslam to somebody?

http://www.godrules.net/para/joh/paralleljoh10-34.htm

King James Version
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
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World English Bible
Jesus answered them, "Isn't it written in your law, 'I said, you are gods?'
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Douay-Rheims
Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law: I said you are gods?

[verndewd]

So is jesus a luciferian then as he did say we are as gods when he quoted a pslam to somebody?

is that quoting what I said or spinning it to what you wish to make of it?

I said most of christianity is nothing more than a version of satanism and lucuferianism.
same with islam and jewish religions.

Luciferianism has been around much longer, it was simply not referred to as such.

[pegcityevolve]

Because the people who originated all this stuff are US based, hard core christians who dont like anything being done that offends their beliefs, such as having a lot of jewish influence in their nations affairs. They then presume that it is satans work, as who else would offend their christian ways, and then they tie in everything they can that they consider anti-christian, such as freemasonry, magic, spiritual development, the new age, etc. until what you have is a massive organism of projected anti-christian paranoia. Simple as thatExactly. How is having the ability of telepathy satanic? All animals have this. Occult only means 'Hidden Knowledge'.

[aejor_mn]

A question asked at ATS forums (above top secret).

Op I don't mean to seem trollish but why are
the NWO satanic? You never told us.

Yes I did.
Because it's the source of their power, riches and control.
Who heads the NWO?
Same people who own your money, your lands, your governemnts and your countries.

ie; Central banking systems like the federal reserve for example.
They print your money out of thin air, and they own it.
For example their 9-1 or 10-1 credit scam for each dollar deposited by you allows them to secure themselves and give all their friends the monopoly on the real estate or financial market, aside of already owning your money.

Just like their friends will get the "royal seats" in career positions and on the board of directors for the F500 companies that are mixed with doctors or pharmaceutical heads along with media and banking or big business heads who move from company to company. Just like the puppets they seat as presidents, governments, or banksters.

We all know the immense level of control they have, and the barbaric passive psychology for your end results, implemented into our schools, medias, foods,eco systems,movies, music, etc, etc.

Disobey God and spirituality,Sex,drugs,alcohol, murder, rape, kill, blood, HIV,H1N1,Viruses,Monsanto,pharmaceutical,advertisi ng,blood, blood.

There's always a scapegoat in something, or ulterior motive of control.
For example, watch how movies changed over the years. Not only were those actors assigned roles of corruption but also by subliminal messages of passive psychology. ie, you don't realize it but will act it out.

To them the perfect Human is one of no emotions or feelings, by pre-conditioning. Not only will you act out in barbaric mannerisms as your past, your family and your futures do, but you will be more obedient to them and their grand scheme of things.

They do what they want, there is really no need for terrorisms, wars or whatever the sorry mule excuse to implement their laws and control.
They'll do it one way or the other.

Everything else is just a game to them and the blood sacrifices are to appease their demons.

Never, ever would God ask for a blood sacrifice, nor did He ever destroy our Earth or break a promise as that thing disguised in the bible did.

They and that thing destroyed your Earth, and we are not H-umans, we are Umans with the Risen Arms of You > U. The H is satan's letter and binding pin of the two pillars of Uman disciplines, ie contentment and contemptment. II. Or TesTamenT and TempTaTion.
Z or Za is satan is the last letter of our Alphabet, is 26 = 8 = H. In other words the Fallen Son, while Sa is the Risen Son. (Sa is son in Egyptian).
In linear A, our true parent Alphabet from the older Atlantean Azilian allphabet some 12,000 years old, the Z or ZA is drawn by.....

......the Egyptian Ankh......cross inverted upon itself and in truth, unsacred.

Now then, why do you think that the rothchilds(bauers) and friends like the warburgs,hapburgs,schiffs,oppenheimers,morgans,roc kefellers,bronfmanns, or the Zionist Masonic Oligarchy, ie German Jews and Freemason puppets, worship Lucifer (satan in truth) the hermaphrodite and go by the heading of Red Shield?

Or why do the rothchilds have a "giraffe estate" in Kenya where satan fell and the evil seal and 3 headed beast (actually 8 heads, 5 are hidden)?

Or why do the rothchilds control the Golan Heights upon the lands of endless wars and vultures where satan led abraam to become abraHam and Humble himself to murder, kill and commit blood sacrifices?
Because those lands are still illuminati breeding grounds and satanic ritual centers (Wheel of the Cat) that can be seen in Google Earth Satellite images.

Or why is the Rothchilds the richest family on earth?

Because they served satan as the Phoenicians always have! As stated above your secrets and their demons were formidable tools of gaining riches and planning their wars and subjugations of your lands and your real estate and your governments just like the queen, presidents and prime ministers of the "commonwealth" or "crown" corporations for the financial city of london or zurich, germany.

Those things are ashkenazi, ie Ash (jewish) ke (with) Nazi (Jew), or the false jews. They are descendents of the H-yksos who came from Chaanan on their never ending blood quest and slaughter of people since the days of their satanic servant abraHam, just as Jesus himself said in John.8.
They are the Phoenicians of yesterday who gained power by taking over egypt and shifting it to biblos,sidon and tyre.
As stated it's a 5500 year war that still continues today.

Now these Phoenicians went on a rampage around the entire mediterranean with their satanic laws of "thou shall be put to death" that evolved into muslims and islams to put satan into their bloods as well.

They tell you they "settled" their Phoenician colonies and that they were "friendly" people. Zeitgeist.

These Hyksos or Ashkenazi are also related to the barbaric Scythians who drank blood out of human skulls, or we can see how Vlad the impaler also evolved with satan's blood. The ashkenazi hyksos when they were expelled from Egypt settled in.......

.....Jeru-Salem. Salem's witches ring a bell?
Nazi is also Nasi in Hebrew meaning "prince".
Just like Sa for Son or Za for satan...see?

It's a long and complicated story just like who God really is as I have revealed or satan as Zathanel HatuptaH or how they disguised the Garden of Avila (eden) as HavilaH.
The H and the Z are their trademarks of forked serpent tongues.
Hail Hitler? Zeitgeist? Zionism?

Are you getting the picture a little more clearer? Everything is pre-determined just like all the wars to rob you blind and fill their banks and power up their envoked demons.

Why do you think they made the zionist state of israel after world war II where the German Jews killed the innocent jews and some 40 million or so other people?

Just like they plan for WWIII and their Revelations stratagem.

Jesus' murder was a satanic ritual. Just like it's always been before him for the Son of Man who are all named JASA. Ie JA's Son.
They knew from Egypt that JA MN (AMEN or I AM) is really God, which is why they disguised His name JA as YA then added HoweH for their new Lord. For yahweh simply in truth is a titular meaning lord. Elohim was the word for God or "the powerful one" like Allah simply means "the most high".
You can simply figure this out for yourself from the very first two chapters of Genesis 1:1 and 2:4. First God was Elohim in H-ebrew, then it was yahweh elohim specifically as written by all.."Lord God".
This name of hweh or howeh in ancient hebrew relates with ruins, shovels, goats, etc or the yom kippur of blowing the rams horn to free their demon spirits into the wilderness (you) named Azazel, while they murder the innocent lamb. 911 took place during yom kippur and it adds upto the illuminati number of 23 or 5 for their pentagram ritual.

Because 5 is change. Crowley himself wrote that the Ritual of The Pentagram creates a hexagonal force field portal to let the demon in.
The star of david is a hexagonal hermaphrodite (Pyramid up, Pyramid down = male / female) for satan's entry from the realm of Orion.

Jesus can be seen rising in Carina Nebula being attacked by the 7 light year in size satan and his black cohort, Zekhmet while Judas the betrayer's head with a hole in it, pentagram and broken sould appear below.

Jesus is being raised by a Guardian while He drops the Chalice and blood, and a White Dragon of Defence is protecting His Ascension against satan.

Guess you know why their lord created the earth in 7 days as they claim falsely, but in recognition of it's size.

Who could defend against that energy fed by all the unsacred ones who have no light in their souls anymore for God to see and save them?

God can, and I for I am a Son of Mn by birth and governed by the Law of 5.

5 is Change.

As stated, the pictures and evidence is all in my website or on forum sites and spreading around this earth to help clean up their lies of blackened oracles with the blood of brine.

The serpent eating it's own tail, or the entwined serpents, is representative of the number 8, because the 8 is an infinite number..see?
Your pencil has no exit, only an entry, just like the ankh or the star of david.
The Freemasons who worship satan also, usee 33 degrees for many reasons, aside of the two 3's faced together make the 8 or 9 divided by 3 is good while 3 divided by 9 is .333333333...see?
They also use baphomet the hermaphrodite satan as their symbology and quite apparent from their horn sign hand gestures that you also see presidents doing..no?

The serpent eating it's own tale is actually a symbol of evil or a bad person in ancient Egypt. It's not the zeitgeist they feed you like their history or bible also.

If it wasn't for studying Atlantis I would have never known all these things about our earth's truths. For here you will learn more than any school or educational institute can teach you.

At 44 I realized the truth's with God's help as you can see, for this reason my face is in the Garden of Avila and satan fell into The Pit of The Calling in Kenya. Thus one of my titulars Obsidian Dragon Slayer.

Guess you know what it means by seating a Kenyan President in America, while the black square heads and broad arses bobble behind him. Eh boys and girls?

By the way, The Argo Wind is White Dragon.

AeJor Mn
SaJAra
Sword of Avila
Obsidian Dragon Slayer
Opener of The Ways
Waterer of The Garden of Avila
The Argo Wind

Paulo Riven.

Zeitgeist = wolf in sheeps clothing, or should I say a Wolfewitz as a Paul bearer?

NWO = ZMO

[marpat]

Yet the bible clearly states that only blood can atone for sin. What do you think the whole jesus thing was about? his blood was required to lift the sin of humanity was it not, so when people go on about God not requiring any blood sacrifices then they are misled.

[shed7628]

If you believe in religion or not is irrelevant, the controllers of the world do.
They are Satanists, they are the masons and they gave you the new age movement.
http://ukginger.net/mystery-babylon.php

[jacki_e]

How did Satanism and the NWO become tied together when they should be bitter enemies?

I my humble view, it seems to me that the New World Order should be appalled at Satan, not hailing him. While researching Satanism in both its Theistic and Symbolic forms, it seems to me to be a religion of personal power, personal responsibility, and very much into the idea of freedom. So much so it champions the concept of self deification and offers it to everyone. Much the same as the New Age and the Occult.

Excuse me, did I miss something?

Those who are trying to take over the world, kill most people, and enslave the rest are certainly looking for either a literal or symbolic Godhood no doubt. But they are not extending this invitation to the public at large. Rather, they are trying to deny the public this birthright. The first type of religion, and only main one, that I know of to wage a war against self deification and keep a specific strata of rulers at the top was the Abrahamic religions. Specifically the Catholic church with zest.

Why is everything upside down?

The Christians seem to be the beginning roots of the core network of what they should call Satanic in the modern world. It is similar to when Bush would talk about the evil conspiracy that he was supposedly fighting but everyone in the know knew he was really part of making it happen. Bush was allegedly fighting a huge world-wide organization that ruled through fear; yet he, his father, and those behind the Bush and Clinton families are those that are this real organization of the Illuminati. When major Christian institutions call Satan, I think we should not forget that the core of the Illuminati ran (if not created) and stepped out of the Christian machine.

And what awfulness that they have hogged the light barer to themselves, and did wicked works in his name. They monopolize the knowledge of and from Lucifer, then try to wipe it out by creating a religion that hates it (to vacuum it out of the world) and Atheism to trick people that it doesn't exist.

The Devil's greatest trick is not convincing the world he doesn't exist. That belongs to the Illuminati. Who's greatest deception was deceiving themselves that they own Lucifer for themselves.

Lucifer offered Eve the Apple that allowed her to self deify. To gain wisdom and knowledge of life, death, good, and evil. If Satan and his Angels really hated mankind, and wanted us dead, then why did he offer us the same thing he rebelled against God for?(the ability to self deify.) And why do the Illuminati, who claim and pretend to be Lucifer's servants, actively deny the world his gifts to us whilst masquerading in his symbols and rituals?

Many people never listen to Satanic thought. Listening to Satanic thought, I would have thought the Devil himself wrote the Constitution and gave mankind the ideas of freedom. There is a reason Christians lump New Age, Pagan, Occult, and Satanism together; they almost all focus on magic and self deification. The want of self deification being the "sin" that Jehovah is said to have cast Satan out of Heaven for.

Did Christians take over and try to give Satan a bad name? Are Christians the Illuminati? Or are the Illuminati the Devil's rejects? Too greedy and self centered for Lucifer, so they destroy in the name that they are not fit to praise in? As they would not rid themselves of inner evil.

New Age, Pagan, and Occult have deep ties with Satanic thought. Satanism, as far as I can tell, is a rather New Religion that is a patchwork of the New Age, Pagan, and Occult. Satanism takes the old traditions, calls the chief deity Satan, and there it is. The New Age take the traditions, calls the chief deity Oneness, tries to scrub Satan out of it as much as possible, and there it is. Christians are not wrong in lumping us together, so why do we not want to be together?

David Icke seems to be against Satanism, when much of what he says in his books match up with Satanic values and views.

Am I missing something?

At what point did the Babylonian Mystery School religions go wrong? Did the original Masons and Thelemites know Lucifer to be a being of light a good, and greed led them astray? Did modern Satanism rise up to put an end to the lies and distortions of those who are simply greedy and hide behind Satanism, using its rituals and language, yet pervert its meaning?

How did Satanism and the NWO become tied together when they should be bitter enemies?

I'm so sick of hearing diff interpretations of the bible and what it REALLY means when it say this and that,I say screw the lot,any organisation pushing their sh@t on me can get f!#k off,I day enjoy life and live free..we can all argue and do our heads in til the cows come home,we ain't gonna get the answers til we are 6ft under..so,who want's to partay???:D:D:D

[dusthead]

Someone fetch me a Satanic member of the NWO this instant!

Seriously though, why there always statements about organisations and groups of people but no specific names? I asked this question on the forum once before and was handed a massive list of names and told to 'do my own research'. Most of the names ended up being dead ends and a few of them were suspected members of a supposed NWO/Illuminati organisation. Nothing was concrete.

Does anyone have the names and addresses of any 100% confirmed satanic leaders of the new world order? Not people who are thought to be members, but actual members by their own admission.

[verndewd]

Yet the bible clearly states that only blood can atone for sin. What do you think the whole jesus thing was about? his blood was required to lift the sin of humanity was it not, so when people go on about God not requiring any blood sacrifices then they are misled.

well I think that illuminates my point, any so called god that requires a blood sacrifice isnt truly the alpha and omega. So what god is it that might require this?i would say either an off world entity or a transdimensional entity.

Satanism and luciferianism bear the same hallmarks of blood ritual. how could it be that an infinite god of love would require such a thing and why would mankind be fooled into thinking blood ritual was an infinite quality?

Show me that god that I may spit in his face.

[unenlightened_waffle]

If memory serves satan is related to the planet saturn and forgetting all the red beasts with horns, I thought it meant the planet of desire and materialism... greed. So to be a satanist you indulge in materialism and wealth to a massive extent and as these so called NWO people are ascribed with vasts sums of money and advertising mass materialistic goods to the people, in turn calling them satanic worshipper would be a wise statement.

Controlling people through desire of material goods = satanic?

[marpat]

If you believe in religion or not is irrelevant, the controllers of the world do.
They are Satanists, they are the masons and they gave you the new age movement.
http://ukginger.net/mystery-babylon.php

Ignorant twat

[marpat]

well I think that illuminates my point, any so called god that requires a blood sacrifice isnt truly the alpha and omega. So what god is it that might require this?i would say either an off world entity or a transdimensional entity.

Satanism and luciferianism bear the same hallmarks of blood ritual. how could it be that an infinite god of love would require such a thing and why would mankind be fooled into thinking blood ritual was an infinite quality?

Show me that god that I may spit in his face.

So why should an entity of any type need blood in this regard?

David Ickes good friend Credo belongs to a tribe that sacrifice animals to serpents that enter their village, believing them to be ancestors. Funny where these satanists get isnt it.

Who said that god is infinite love? maybe love is just an attribute that humans project onto it. Perhaps god is just power or just consciousness. Maybe the actual blood offering is not for the benefit of the god but for the benefit of the person. It could be more a case of the energy being released from the blood heightening psychic receptivity of the individual so that they can invoke divine power, yet people never seem to consider any other angle then what they have been told in Ickes books.

[marpat]

If memory serves satan is related to the planet saturn and forgetting all the red beasts with horns, I thought it meant the planet of desire and materialism... greed. So to be a satanist you indulge in materialism and wealth to a massive extent and as these so called NWO people are ascribed with vasts sums of money and advertising mass materialistic goods to the people, in turn calling them satanic worshipper would be a wise statement.

Controlling people through desire of material goods = satanic?

Satan is the tester of souls. Read the book of job and you will see what I mean.

[verndewd]

So why should an entity of any type need blood in this regard?

David Ickes good friend Credo belongs to a tribe that sacrifice animals to serpents that enter their village, believing them to be ancestors. Funny where these satanists get isnt it.

Who said that god is infinite love? maybe love is just an attribute that humans project onto it. Perhaps god is just power or just consciousness. Maybe the actual blood offering is not for the benefit of the god but for the benefit of the person. It could be more a case of the energy being released from the blood heightening psychic receptivity of the individual so that they can invoke divine power, yet people never seem to consider any other angle then what they have been told in Ickes books.

I cant agree with that. I am inclined to model god within a more scientific structure, Creation/ erosion individual sense perception/free will. Honsetly anymore I am leaning towards indigenous models as they seem to suit what I percieve of quantum reality more than these blood ritual abominations.

Which almost seems hypocritical due to the ritual of the sun and the shamanic rituals but at least in these death is generally not an issue, in the sun ritual the warrior pierces his flesh with bone and is supended by that for 2 or 3 days, left scarred but alive. And usually it comes with some profound inner vision for the warrior.

As told by little grandmother 4 days without food and water makes the shaman also accompanied by visions, or as some would call them hallucinations. Either way an altered state that energy we cant see can have influence.

[thetonic]

At what point did the Babylonian Mystery School religions go wrong?


How did Satanism and the NWO become tied together when they should be bitter enemies?

Lol .. So much about your post just shows an absolute misunderstanding. When did the Mystery religions go wrong? They went wrong the second they were created!

You need to start over at square one and abandon the idea that satanism is some how cool , new, rebellious, the way forward.

[thetonic]

well I think that illuminates my point, any so called god that requires a blood sacrifice isnt truly the alpha and omega. So what god is it that might require this?i would say either an off world entity or a transdimensional entity.

Satanism and luciferianism bear the same hallmarks of blood ritual. how could it be that an infinite god of love would require such a thing and why would mankind be fooled into thinking blood ritual was an infinite quality?

Show me that god that I may spit in his face.

That is not the true 'God' ! That is the deciever and fallen consciousness described as Satan.

The Jews wrote Old Testament backwards. Their god IS satan/lucifer and it demands to be worshipped and given sacrifice in turn for earthly power and worldly possession it grants !!!

Why do you think Christ said "my kingdom is not on this earthly plane" Because the flesh belongs to SATAN!

[verndewd]

That is not the true 'God' ! That is the deciever and fallen consciousness described as Satan.

The Jews wrote Old Testament backwards. Their god IS satan/lucifer and it demands to be worshipped and given sacrifice in turn for earthly power and worldly possession it grants !!!

Why do you think Christ said "my kingdom is not on this earthly plane" Because the flesh belongs to SATAN!

the flesh does not belong to satan. But the god of abrahamic religion is lucifer.

However I believe the god of the christ as in our christ selves is the membrane of the entire universe, I havent arrived at much in the way of describing how it works via mediatation over the last 14 years but its the union of godhood and christhood which creates and teaches maintains and monitors consciousness here,

[verndewd]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x56/verndewd/creation.jpg

Here creation is exemplified the way I saw it in a vision , the flower of life represents creative infinity where each circle is a creative entity that creates vibrations that the god entity then tranforms into matter, represented by the yellow circle which contains the entire universe and is bridged to material reality in humans by christ awareness or our higher selves.

Years after that vision I heard about M theory, and was pretty excited that quantum science had proposed it.

[marpat]

That is not the true 'God' ! That is the deciever and fallen consciousness described as Satan.

The Jews wrote Old Testament backwards. Their god IS satan/lucifer and it demands to be worshipped and given sacrifice in turn for earthly power and worldly possession it grants !!!

Why do you think Christ said "my kingdom is not on this earthly plane" Because the flesh belongs to SATAN!

Yet he said the kingdon of heaven is within!!!

So if the flesh belongs to satan then when jesus tells his disciples to eat of his flesh he is asking them to eat his satanic part?

[dusthead]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x56/verndewd/creation.jpg

Here creation is exemplified the way I saw it in a vision , the flower of life represents creative infinity where each circle is a creative entity that creates vibrations that the god entity then tranforms into matter, represented by the yellow circle which contains the entire universe and is bridged to material reality in humans by christ awareness or our higher selves.

Years after that vision I heard about M theory, and was pretty excited that quantum science had proposed it.

It's a load of balls.

Apologies - I couldn't resist.

Someone more qualified should step in at this point.

[verndewd]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x56/verndewd/creation2.jpg

Here creation is exemplified the way I saw it in a vision , the flower of life represents creative infinity where each circle is a creative entity that creates vibrations that the god entity then tranforms into matter, represented by the yellow circle which contains the entire universe and is bridged to material reality in humans by christ awareness or our higher selves.

Years after that vision I heard about M theory, and was pretty excited that quantum science had proposed it.

http://everything2.com/title/M-theory

Strangely I was reading taoism at the time and messing with I-ching as well as native american totems. So I wasnt aware that M theory was introduced in 95 when I had the experiences in 97.

I explained some of the dynamics of creation in the why we cant walk through walls thread. which was also part of this vision.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119901

Consciousness high res Very low volume !!!! - YouTube

[jacki_e]

I'm so sick of hearing diff interpretations of the bible and what it REALLY means when it say this and that,I say screw the lot,any organisation pushing their sh@t on me can get f!#k off,I day enjoy life and live free..we can all argue and do our heads in til the cows come home,we ain't gonna get the answers til we are 6ft under..so,who want's to partay???:D:D:D

That is some retarded spelling on my behalf...I swear it looked fine before I posted it.I think we may have a new conspiracy at hand here!:eek:

[dlb2007]

"There good be good without evil and visa versa. It never ceases to amaze me how people get fooled by that one. If someone smack's someone across the head, it hurts. If someone has organism, it feels good. Someone might have ten thousand orgasms and never be smacked upside the head. Thus, they can feel pleasure, knowing it is good and pleasure, without the need to feel pain to compare it to."

pain and pleasure are not good or evil, good and evil exists not in the world acting on the senses closer analogy would be rather the mind interpreting the world using the bodys senses.

for example, i would find no pleasure in being kicked in the balls, i would interperate such a thing as painful, but a sadist may well find pleasure.

therefore good and evil do not prevail in the world, but in the minds of men.

the hollocaust for example a jewish person might find as evil and a nazi as a good.

thats why it always bewilders me that so many people say, oh well if there was a god why did he make my "father, mother, sister, brother, my fellow man" suffer in such a way instead of say "thank you god for giving me the gift of loving my "father,mother,sister,brother,fellow man"

"man has become like us, knowing good and evil"

yes good can exist without there being any evil, but evil itself can not exist without good, because evil is a perversion of Good.

love and compassion are the good, but hatred and anger are perversions of that, for if we did not feel love we could not hate or get angry, it is when our love is "hurt" by others that we hate and get angry

our spouse walks out on us, we feel hatred and anger, someone kills our spouse, the same, even what someone or something affects our property or even ourselves.

if evil is only a perversion of good, then christianity makes sense in saying satan is a fallen angel

[f13ticket]

So why should an entity of any type need blood in this regard?

David Ickes good friend Credo belongs to a tribe that sacrifice animals to serpents that enter their village, believing them to be ancestors. Funny where these satanists get isnt it.

Who said that god is infinite love? maybe love is just an attribute that humans project onto it. Perhaps god is just power or just consciousness. Maybe the actual blood offering is not for the benefit of the god but for the benefit of the person. It could be more a case of the energy being released from the blood heightening psychic receptivity of the individual so that they can invoke divine power, yet people never seem to consider any other angle then what they have been told in Ickes books.

Have you read none of my other posts? I have questioned many things is Icke's books like that. I questioned if God is loving, and can it be killed. And people typically get very angry at me for daring to question Icke.

[thetonic]

[QUOTE]Yet he said the kingdon of heaven is within!!!

Yes! Within everyone is the SPIRIT! Hes not referring to 'within your body' ie. your muscle tissue and bone structure silly !


So if the flesh belongs to satan then when jesus tells his disciples to eat of his flesh he is asking them to eat his satanic part?

This bit right here is the mystery religion inserting their teachings and attributing them to Christ. Part and parcel of the 'externalization of the hierarchy'. This is getting people to perform your rituals , sacrificial offerings, chantings, worshipping your gods etc. but doing it in a fashion that is not so easily discernable to the common man, ie - hidden in plain sight. This particular teaching is a symbolic ritual 'the eating of the flesh' or a blood offering. Christ would have never asked people to perform ritual !

Unfortunately you have to know the truth in order to see through the deception so cleverly inserted into the 'book'. Best to leave the book and follow your heart. Christ would have taught the same. Did he go town to town pushing bibles or did he simply use his own words to guide people to the truth?

Read the talmud of Jammanuel. Much of what he was teaching that was not put into the bible is there. "They will steal my teachings to promote their occult practices" = Catholicism

[marpat]

Yes! Within everyone is the SPIRIT! Hes not referring to 'within your body' ie. your muscle tissue and bone structure silly !



This bit right here is the mystery religion inserting their teachings and attributing them to Christ. Part and parcel of the 'externalization of the hierarchy'. This is getting people to perform your rituals , sacrificial offerings, chantings, worshipping your gods etc. but doing it in a fashion that is not so easily discernable to the common man, ie - hidden in plain sight. This particular teaching is a symbolic ritual 'the eating of the flesh' or a blood offering. Christ would have never asked people to perform ritual !

Unfortunately you have to know the truth in order to see through the deception so cleverly inserted into the 'book'. Best to leave the book and follow your heart. Christ would have taught the same. Did he go town to town pushing bibles or did he simply use his own words to guide people to the truth?

Read the talmud of Jammanuel. Much of what he was teaching that was not put into the bible is there. "They will steal my teachings to promote their occult practices" = Catholicism

Well I dont see anything in what you say that has any real value.

How do you know what christ would have asked people? did you ever meet him or receiving direct communication with him as to what is true or not? if you have such a direct link then perhaps you should be writing books telling others what is true. If you dont have such a direct link then perhaps you should not be telling people what he would or would not have said.