Watch young children closely

[ambler1980]

Ever notice how a very young child, from birth to two years old thinks of himself in the 3rd person?

Let's say his name is Jack. The dad might point to himself and say "dad", then point to the baby and say "Jack" to teach the kid his name.

At first Jack refers to himself as "Jack", still referring to himself in the 3rd person because he knows he's not THAT, it's merely his "label"...he'd even refer to his toy as "Jack's toy". Since his soul knows the truth, that there's no separation of anything, that's just an illusion of the 5 senses, he refers to himself in the 3rd person because he's not his body...I think the soul intuitively knows this but can't express it because it doesn't have the tools of language and cognitive understanding yet. It's trapped in a developing body.

Then at around two or two and half he starts saying "MY toy". That's the control structure kicking in because he's learned and is understanding the rules of this reality, lack, apartness, separation, polarity...as soon as that happens he's in a fight for survival. Because now everything is dangerous...he can be killed and therefore cease to exist...which isn't true...the soul merely forgets, having been indoctrinated into this control structure by his parents, who unknowingly participated. Then what sets in is this feeling of something being missing, that most everyone seems to have, because they're longing for that oneness again, because it was beautiful.

But now there's "me" and "anything other than me", and also wanting to control "anything other than me" so you wont feel threatened by it.

So watch small children. They should be our role models.

[batou]

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[batou]

Also I kind of don't understand your point...

Sure young kids don't have their own sense of identity but that's because their brains are still developing and they are learning from their environment/parents. "my glasses arent a toy etc."
which is good because it helps show kids that some things belong to certain people... mainly stopping kids just stealing each others toys, and picking up and sticking everything in their mouth at the store.
it would be great if the world wasn't dangerous and kids could trust everyone and have access to anything they wanted. but that's artificial.
in nature animals don't get taught about possessions, they just learn because its for survival, to protect their food and their group.

thats just my pov.
With everything you wrote, I can sort of see your point now that I've thought of a reply, but I still don't agree with your reasoning.
Perhaps its just because I dont like the idea of being part of an amorphous blob of souls. I'd rather float around by myself forever.. anyway, what would be the difference between being by yourself and being swallowed up and becoming part of everything else? You just become a bigger 'one thing'. I can be one thing by myself, and have a good time being different from all the other one things. Homogenizing things is boring.

I was just kidding with pedo bear btw, don't get sad. :D

[batou]

Also while I was thinking about your OP and a reply I read this:
http://www2.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=3747422

It's good birth control to read that.

[ambler1980]

Also I kind of don't understand your point...
it would be great if the world wasn't dangerous and kids could trust everyone and have access to anything they wanted. but that's artificial.

The thing to remember is everything you've been taught is a lie at worst, twisted truth at best. It's not artificial, because you do have access to anything you want through the right brain, which goes beyond 5 sense reality...5 senses reality decodes this reality into "apartness" and "separation", when in reality we exist in an infinite ocean of conscious awareness...we're merely tricked into believing the opposite.

Everything children are taught, initially by proxy through the parents who learned from the control structure, is to view reality THROUGH THE LEFT BRAIN ONLY...with the right brain just some imagination/creativity generator that has nothing to do with reality...that's the lie. It has everything to do with reality, it's the very thing that manifests your focused awareness. If you focus on something constantly, that's your right brain at work, creating something that can't be seen by the 5 senses, but it exists, thoughts exist because you can measure them, they're simply in the astral realm or what have you...you communicate with the infinite through the right brain, and intuition is the morse code if you will, that comes back telling you what you want to know or what to do to meet your desire in "reality"...I put quotes because it's all reality, the left and right brain, awake and asleep, solid and not solid(there is no solidity), they're just different expressions of the same energy field that cross over into each other.

So when a child learns "I am separate", he only has half the picture, the limited part, the part that keeps him controlled. For instance, if you were to teach someone how to play basketball, but didn't teach them how to dribble the ball correctly they would be the worst player in the game. That's essentially what happens to children who are taught to ignore the right brain, which is 50% of reality!!! The invisible "friend" they're told is just an illusion and nonsense and silly, when in fact that thing exists, it's just not visible through the five senses...they're essentially firewalled off from a huge chunk of this reality construct because they're taught to ignore anything they can't "see", or experience with the five senses.

We are not separate, no matter how much you want to believe it. You're uncomfortable with that because all you've been told for the decades you've been alive is that you ARE apart...as a young child, you were perfectly okay with not really being identified by your "name", aka your physical body construct, you were living through both parts of the brain. But when the right brain is firewalled off it becomes flaccid and atrophied...so of course you don't want to be seen as part of some "amorphous blob of souls", because it's like being in a foreign country and not knowing the language, pretty damn uncomfortable. But it's not as bad as you think...it's all there is, it's infinite possibility, no limits, so how can that in any way be a bad or uncomfortable thing? We have access to anything we want, it's INSIDE OF US, which we access through the right brain, and it comes to us through intuition...NOT left brain intellectual thinking, which is extremely limited...you can only know so much intellectually, but a true knowing comes from intuition...that's disguised as infinite awareness sending you morse code in a sense.

But of course in this left brain prison we're taught to ignore it, never reaching our full potential, which is anything we desire, because it's all inside of us...not "out there", because that's an illusion...the "out there" is a holographic projection of what's "in here", because you're constantly creating reality, which is not solid, it's a vibrational energy field composed of empty space...all you need to realize is the cup your holding is NOT SOLID to realize there's more going on than they're telling you. Looking out into the world and believing that's all there is, would be akin to being in a mansion, locked in a room and thinking the room is all there is.

[hmz16]

I couldn't of said it any better ambler! :D

why do babies often cry in a very dramatic way?
is it natural? or is it the effect of seeing how this reality is manipulated since they are less affected on their age. something to consider.

You are born, your first few "manipulators" are your parents.
You get older, you play with other babies/friends and they have been manipulated the same way you have, only furthering the cause.

now THIS is where the real and hardcore shaking-off the rightbrain comes from:
SCHOOL. You are thrown in it at a very young age, taught that it is for education, to make you smarter so that you can later in the future function properly in society. Kids often think why do they need to go to school? and notice how the responce is you MUST learn, you MUST be educated. School is insanity, and the big roleplayer of creating a society-slave, it only further kills the right-brain.

Then you move on to bigger schools, perhaps universities for those who have had their rightbrain completely melt. Teenagers causing trouble because it is the EFFECT of all the lies, because they now think that this solid world is reality, they can cause trouble because they do not see anything of purity or love. It's all about ego-boosting, being part of a group, or being a lone nerd. you MUST have the newest phone, you MUST have the coolest brandmarked clothes, you MUST be goodlooking, all insanity.

You then begin to work your way in the society's "worklife",
your a young man/woman and you need to always go work and be productive for society, congratulations! You got your exams done in school and you are now completely a zombie-mindcontrolled-unaware-sleep-sheep-slave-zombie-drone!.

You will work, work, basically you will work your whole life. you must have a job or you will have no income. You basically have to beg for your master's feet, the Elite corporations. They whip you to work for you, and you like it because you've been taught lies since you were born.

School and Jobs are really insane, big factors that make it look like that this solid world is all there is. You've been taught government and police are here to serve us, and make everything safe, but infact its the exact opposite.
All the while wars are being engineered, population being reduces, animals being killed and called "sport", our natural Mother Earth is being tortured in all kinds of ways including destroying her forests, poisoning her waters.. etc etc.

But then comes a guy that says the truth, that everything you see here and have done is all a lie, it doesn't need to be done! You don't need this and that! It's all mindgames! and the public laughs and ridicules that man, isolating him from society because hes a "lunatic, crazy, fanatic, nut, conspiracy theorist"..

I would rather be labeled a "nut" by an insane society rather than be labeled "normal" by an insane society

[ambler1980]

I couldn't of said it any better ambler! :D

why do babies often cry in a very dramatic way?
is it natural? or is it the effect of seeing how this reality is manipulated since they are less affected on their age. something to consider.

You are born, your first few "manipulators" are your parents.
You get older, you play with other babies/friends and they have been manipulated the same way you have, only furthering the cause.

now THIS is where the real and hardcore shaking-off the rightbrain comes from:
SCHOOL. You are thrown in it at a very young age, taught that it is for education, to make you smarter so that you can later in the future function properly in society. Kids often think why do they need to go to school? and notice how the responce is you MUST learn, you MUST be educated. School is insanity, and the big roleplayer of creating a society-slave, it only further kills the right-brain.

Then you move on to bigger schools, perhaps universities for those who have had their rightbrain completely melt. Teenagers causing trouble because it is the EFFECT of all the lies, because they now think that this solid world is reality, they can cause trouble because they do not see anything of purity or love. It's all about ego-boosting, being part of a group, or being a lone nerd. you MUST have the newest phone, you MUST have the coolest brandmarked clothes, you MUST be goodlooking, all insanity.

You then begin to work your way in the society's "worklife",
your a young man/woman and you need to always go work and be productive for society, congratulations! You got your exams done in school and you are now completely a zombie-mindcontrolled-unaware-sleep-sheep-slave-zombie-drone!.

You will work, work, basically you will work your whole life. you must have a job or you will have no income. You basically have to beg for your master's feet, the Elite corporations. They whip you to work for you, and you like it because you've been taught lies since you were born.

School and Jobs are really insane, big factors that make it look like that this solid world is all there is. You've been taught government and police are here to serve us, and make everything safe, but infact its the exact opposite.
All the while wars are being engineered, population being reduces, animals being killed and called "sport", our natural Mother Earth is being tortured in all kinds of ways including destroying her forests, poisoning her waters.. etc etc.

But then comes a guy that says the truth, that everything you see here and have done is all a lie, it doesn't need to be done! You don't need this and that! It's all mindgames! and the public laughs and ridicules that man, isolating him from society because hes a "lunatic, crazy, fanatic, nut, conspiracy theorist"..

I would rather be labeled a "nut" by an insane society rather than be labeled "normal" by an insane society

Well said. The MAIN controlling mechanism they use is money.

The function of money is a perception generator...this is the only reason for its existence. The powers that were designed money to control your perception of what is possible. For instance...if you want to get a car and can't afford it, your perception has effectively been manipulated. Because you can have anything you want, regardless of how much it costs...if it exists, you can have it, and have it easily.

But back to the car analogy. If someone thinks the only way they can get a car is by stealing it or buying it, then they will only do what the control structure wants in order to attain that car. Meaning work some shitty job to feed the economy, make the elite richer, other people sicker, poorer and more depressed. This is the sole function of the economy...there is no other reason...any other reason is a falsehood you learned in the bullshit economic text books.

So if someone wants something, they've been brainwashed into believing the only way to acquire it is money. Whether they have to steal, earn it, or beg for it...either way their sense of self is completely compromised, if not railroaded.

There is nothing wrong with earning money. The error is in the system that forces you to earn it because the reasons are not genuine. The function is to make you sick, poor, depressed and soulless. They feed on your low vibrational energy like vampires...it makes them stronger. Because it's not just air and water and earth...it's an energy field with energy transference as regular an occurance as ATM transactions. That is the true function of the universe...energy flow...vibration...we are not physical beings because matter and atoms are not solid, they're energy fields vibrating at an infinite range of frequencies like a giant cosmic radio.

The reason our media is filled to the brim with "success" stories about money and wealthy people...MTV Cribs, MTV hip hop, flashy "make it rain" videos, Entourage, The Real Housewives, Lifestyles Of The Rich And Famous, NBA player deals, Fortune 500 magazine...the reason they're filled with this stuff is, again, perception...the haves and the have nots...the rich and the not rich...the ultimate goal you should shoot for is winning the lotto, or getting a record deal, or signing with the NBA, or whatever, is because they've brainwashed everyone in this left brain prison that you actually need money to do things or have things. You don't.

It doesn't mean you SHOULDN'T have money, or want to attain money. It means money is meaningless, worthless paper that has ZERO bearing on whether or not you can get what you want. And people who can't "afford" stuff need to realize that money...is...perception...it is there to control YOUR perception of WHAT IS POSSIBLE IN LIFE...period. Because if you can control people's perception of what is needed to to attain what they want, then you, to the same rate, control their perception of what is possible in the first place. It's why the less money you have, the less you dream, the less you believe you can attain abundance, the less vacations you believe you can have, the less time you believe you can spend with your family out of obligation to work, the less time you believe you can relax, etc.

You don't need money to have freedom, all you need is imagination, and everyone has that, therefore everyone is rich...use the right brain, meditate on what you want, be sure it's what you resonate with, put emotion and feeling behind it as if you already have it (because you do, you have everything because you ARE everything) and follow your navigator(intuition)'s instructions...at some point it will manifest...it has to.

[batou]

Respectfully, I disagree and refuse to believe we are just a cog in some giant soul machine. To come down here for who knows what, to get fucked up into thinking we are individuals by other cogs that came here before us, and then we have to fight to lose our sense of self so we can be reabsorbed into this big mass of whatever anyway. Seems like a waste of energy. Just stay up there.. why not?

All I know is I don't know.
So you could be right, or you could just be telling me what you've heard and read..
Feels like I don't know about anything anymore. It seems so confusing and convoluted.
At least we are free to pick n choose what we believe.

I see what you're saying, but not why you are saying it, and I am not trying to be difficult. It's just hard for me to mesh these thoughts of being part of a oneness yet objecting to being homogenized by society. Those two things are exactly the same. And even harder for me to understand is saying to think for yourselves with the right brain.. but a prerequisite is to accept all these ideas we thought up for you. Like it's all ice cream its just different flavors.

I thought about this for a while so that's why I'm posting it. Not to fuck with you.. I just don't get it. It's not from being afraid to lose who I am or anything like that.. It just doesn't make sense to me, and the more I think about it the less it does.

[shed7628]

.I think the soul intuitively knows this but can't express it because it doesn't have the tools of language and cognitive understanding yet. It's trapped in a developing body.

Then at around two or two and half he starts saying "MY toy". That's the control structure kicking in because he's learned and is understanding the rules of this reality, lack, apartness, separation, polarity...as soon as that happens he's in a fight for survival.

So are you saying the souls strength is paper thin, like our morality?

[ambler1980]

Respectfully, I disagree and refuse to believe we are just a cog in some giant soul machine. To come down here for who knows what, to get fucked up into thinking we are individuals by other cogs that came here before us, and then we have to fight to lose our sense of self so we can be reabsorbed into this big mass of whatever anyway. Seems like a waste of energy. Just stay up there.. why not?

All I know is I don't know.
So you could be right, or you could just be telling me what you've heard and read..
Feels like I don't know about anything anymore. It seems so confusing and convoluted.
At least we are free to pick n choose what we believe.

I see what you're saying, but not why you are saying it, and I am not trying to be difficult. It's just hard for me to mesh these thoughts of being part of a oneness yet objecting to being homogenized by society. Those two things are exactly the same. And even harder for me to understand is saying to think for yourselves with the right brain.. but a prerequisite is to accept all these ideas we thought up for you. Like it's all ice cream its just different flavors.

I thought about this for a while so that's why I'm posting it. Not to fuck with you.. I just don't get it. It's not from being afraid to lose who I am or anything like that.. It just doesn't make sense to me, and the more I think about it the less it does.

all one has to do is ask themselves a simple question:

if you're in this world that is run by the control structure, who essentially raised you and taught you everything you need to know about how to navigate and live this life...how is your life? is it working out for you?

i don't think that needs any more explanation.

i don't have to sell this because this shit here sells itself.

you don't have to believe me, but for god sake don't believe them!

[ambler1980]

So are you saying the souls strength is paper thin, like our morality?

souls don't need strength...they're apart of all that is, which is infinite.

[hmz16]

Respectfully, I disagree and refuse to believe we are just a cog in some giant soul machine. To come down here for who knows what, to get fucked up into thinking we are individuals by other cogs that came here before us, and then we have to fight to lose our sense of self so we can be reabsorbed into this big mass of whatever anyway. Seems like a waste of energy. Just stay up there.. why not?

All I know is I don't know.
So you could be right, or you could just be telling me what you've heard and read..
Feels like I don't know about anything anymore. It seems so confusing and convoluted.
At least we are free to pick n choose what we believe.

I see what you're saying, but not why you are saying it, and I am not trying to be difficult. It's just hard for me to mesh these thoughts of being part of a oneness yet objecting to being homogenized by society. Those two things are exactly the same. And even harder for me to understand is saying to think for yourselves with the right brain.. but a prerequisite is to accept all these ideas we thought up for you. Like it's all ice cream its just different flavors.

I thought about this for a while so that's why I'm posting it. Not to fuck with you.. I just don't get it. It's not from being afraid to lose who I am or anything like that.. It just doesn't make sense to me, and the more I think about it the less it does.

truth is hard to describe/explain in words created by man, structured ways of "communicating" with one another, so if someone tries to type what is happening to our world then it will afcourse always seem some kind of absurd/way out there for you and other people, and I know how that is.

it is best explained in metaphors, because the truth simply IS, and simple words of the leftbrain cannot describe it fully without giving people the idea it is some sort of fantasy/too perfect world to exist.

You see, thats exactly the limits of this leftbrained society, let me ask you a question..

Why are you born? Do you really think you'd be born in a world with limits/imperfectness? that also comes hand-in-hand that when you die it is all over, your 5 senses fall out and nothing happens after that, basically dead. it also comes hand-in-hand with the thoughts that this society is basically humankind's nature, we "need" schools, work, politics because humankind cannot live without it.

Or would you rather believe one in it's natural state is born in an unspoiled world. Here's another question, how do you think the world would look like in 50 years if all currently born babies are being led the natural way, the unspoiled way, not putting them in school, freeing them from this prison-like society, how would the world look like if everyone was like this?

It would seem something like a tribalish life dont you think?
There is a reason that people living in nature as a tribe/small community are far more peacefull and have the best for you rather then a modern city life where the corporations rule over you.

Now just imagine, if the whole world had people thinking the same way as I and ambler, and alot more, how do you think the world would look like? Fucking perfect I tell you.

now afcourse it will seem too fantasy-ish, your subconscious must still stick to the society because of the effect they have done to you (no offence, just pointing out) and it all differs from person to person, but just think deeply about it, does this resonate with your heart? Would you rather live a life in a prison?

The best dictatorship is one where the people think they are free.

all I have to say to you personally, it is your path, maybe it is not your time yet, maybe today's society is controlling more then 50% of your thoughts (which are all biased towards an agenda), perhaps do some more research on your own.

I have a hard time explaining things in words, because my rightbrain functions alot better then my leftbrain, as a child I had to stay in the same grade 2 years because I "played too much" and wasnt ready to "learn".
certainly I don't want to be indoctrinated with the Elite's beliefs, I don't want "education" for which it currently stands for,

I'm pretty sure ambler can explain this better then me :)

[marpat]

Ever notice how a very young child, from birth to two years old thinks of himself in the 3rd person?

Let's say his name is Jack. The dad might point to himself and say "dad", then point to the baby and say "Jack" to teach the kid his name.

At first Jack refers to himself as "Jack", still referring to himself in the 3rd person because he knows he's not THAT, it's merely his "label"...he'd even refer to his toy as "Jack's toy". Since his soul knows the truth, that there's no separation of anything, that's just an illusion of the 5 senses, he refers to himself in the 3rd person because he's not his body...I think the soul intuitively knows this but can't express it because it doesn't have the tools of language and cognitive understanding yet. It's trapped in a developing body.

Then at around two or two and half he starts saying "MY toy". That's the control structure kicking in because he's learned and is understanding the rules of this reality, lack, apartness, separation, polarity...as soon as that happens he's in a fight for survival. Because now everything is dangerous...he can be killed and therefore cease to exist...which isn't true...the soul merely forgets, having been indoctrinated into this control structure by his parents, who unknowingly participated. Then what sets in is this feeling of something being missing, that most everyone seems to have, because they're longing for that oneness again, because it was beautiful.

But now there's "me" and "anything other than me", and also wanting to control "anything other than me" so you wont feel threatened by it.

So watch small children. They should be our role models.

So we should copy them when they kick the shit out of each other because they want something that another kid has got?

Its nothing to do with control. Perhaps you would want them to grow up with no guidance at all? you are trying to project your own ideas and fantasies onto kids by deluding yourself that just because they dont have the same interactive skillsof adults that this somehow makes them superior.

Have you got any kids and are they your role model?

[marpat]

The thing to remember is everything you've been taught is a lie at worst, twisted truth at best. It's not artificial, because you do have access to anything you want through the right brain, which goes beyond 5 sense reality...5 senses reality decodes this reality into "apartness" and "separation", when in reality we exist in an infinite ocean of conscious awareness...we're merely tricked into believing the opposite.

Everything children are taught, initially by proxy through the parents who learned from the control structure, is to view reality THROUGH THE LEFT BRAIN ONLY...with the right brain just some imagination/creativity generator that has nothing to do with reality...that's the lie. It has everything to do with reality, it's the very thing that manifests your focused awareness. If you focus on something constantly, that's your right brain at work, creating something that can't be seen by the 5 senses, but it exists, thoughts exist because you can measure them, they're simply in the astral realm or what have you...you communicate with the infinite through the right brain, and intuition is the morse code if you will, that comes back telling you what you want to know or what to do to meet your desire in "reality"...I put quotes because it's all reality, the left and right brain, awake and asleep, solid and not solid(there is no solidity), they're just different expressions of the same energy field that cross over into each other.

So when a child learns "I am separate", he only has half the picture, the limited part, the part that keeps him controlled. For instance, if you were to teach someone how to play basketball, but didn't teach them how to dribble the ball correctly they would be the worst player in the game. That's essentially what happens to children who are taught to ignore the right brain, which is 50% of reality!!! The invisible "friend" they're told is just an illusion and nonsense and silly, when in fact that thing exists, it's just not visible through the five senses...they're essentially firewalled off from a huge chunk of this reality construct because they're taught to ignore anything they can't "see", or experience with the five senses.

We are not separate, no matter how much you want to believe it. You're uncomfortable with that because all you've been told for the decades you've been alive is that you ARE apart...as a young child, you were perfectly okay with not really being identified by your "name", aka your physical body construct, you were living through both parts of the brain. But when the right brain is firewalled off it becomes flaccid and atrophied...so of course you don't want to be seen as part of some "amorphous blob of souls", because it's like being in a foreign country and not knowing the language, pretty damn uncomfortable. But it's not as bad as you think...it's all there is, it's infinite possibility, no limits, so how can that in any way be a bad or uncomfortable thing? We have access to anything we want, it's INSIDE OF US, which we access through the right brain, and it comes to us through intuition...NOT left brain intellectual thinking, which is extremely limited...you can only know so much intellectually, but a true knowing comes from intuition...that's disguised as infinite awareness sending you morse code in a sense.

But of course in this left brain prison we're taught to ignore it, never reaching our full potential, which is anything we desire, because it's all inside of us...not "out there", because that's an illusion...the "out there" is a holographic projection of what's "in here", because you're constantly creating reality, which is not solid, it's a vibrational energy field composed of empty space...all you need to realize is the cup your holding is NOT SOLID to realize there's more going on than they're telling you. Looking out into the world and believing that's all there is, would be akin to being in a mansion, locked in a room and thinking the room is all there is.

You talk of control but have you any experience of how much kids actually control and manipulate their parents, how soon they learn to lie because they know they can manipulate? you seem to think that control is some adult function but this is totally false.

[ambler1980]

So we should copy them when they kick the shit out of each other because they want something that another kid has got?

Its nothing to do with control. Perhaps you would want them to grow up with no guidance at all? you are trying to project your own ideas and fantasies onto kids by deluding yourself that just because they dont have the same interactive skillsof adults that this somehow makes them superior.

Have you got any kids and are they your role model?

Well there is nothing "wrong" with kids, it's just your interpretation of behavior based on your belief systems. There is no inherent meaning in any situation.

Just like there is nothing inherently wrong with adults...UNLESS, they're being kept from the information that would allow them true freedom. This is my belief. You don't have to agree with it. But these same adults are giving their kids "guidance" that was inherited from the control structure...and you wouldn't be on this forum if you agreed with their tactics.

It has nothing to do with interactive skills, I'm talking about firewalled information to keep people in service to the control structure while being kept in scarcity. Kids do not have this firewall until it's programmed into them. That's why I said to watch young children before that happens. Not mimic them and start wearing diapers.

[ufochick]

We did everything we knew to do raising our kids. They were born in 82 and 85. As they began to use the physical world we tried to allow them to use their inborn abilities, however I think watching the limited world around them teaches too much.

When they wanted a toy from day one we said make the toy come to you, we tried speaking and communicating telepathically along with verbally and things like that. I inherently knew that if they were shown and taught they could use all of the "tele"s they would grow up with gifts that we their parents did not have. The problem is they could not learn by example emough.
I think if kids could grow up with their parents walking through walls and levetating and using telekenisis they would do it too.

We did teach them to be responsible for the own reality around them. one turned out to natuarally draw whatever he wanted to him and he still does this. the other however got "stuck" and does things the normal way.

I think being able to experience pain is a major problem, yes it's needed but it teaches them the body is in control. We did however teach them from day one that they had control over illness or injury. Honestly our daughter was ill twice in 19 years and healed from injuries almost immediately. Our son was not ever ill until one bought with what they thought was west nile in high school, it was just a major cold/fever but lasted about 2 weeks. WE simply told them that they were not allowed to sick and they could control it so they did.

[hmz16]

@marpat:

the "kicking eachother for eachother's toys" is the mere EFFECT of how we tell them how society is structured, if you keep away the truth from them, how can they help it? They think this solid world is all there is because they have been taught that.

Here is a little quote for you which history has confirmed to be correct over and over again:
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

[tracker]

Recent new discoveries in psychology have shown that if “WE” ( what ever you consider to be “you”) thinks of our self as a third party , it helps develop awareness of what our “brains” do .
Now this is a new discovery ( according to them that is ) that our “brains” are indeed not the whole “entire us” and neither is “the body”.

When people wish to change their lives too , talking about our self as a third party helps place our self outside the “controlled and conditioned” sense of self.

EXAMPLE;
“I” am not good at typing on the internet.

“TRACKER” is not good at typing on the internet .

NOTE:
Did you see the difference ?
Can you tell how those “TWO” different replies actually reflect upon “My brains” ability ?

If “I” speak in the 1st sense of the question as to “I” am not good at typing on the internet , it insists that “I’ is the being and end all of the situation and there for capstones the finality that “I” can not improve and that” I” ( being my sense of self ) is there for associated with my sense of ability within the brain.

However ;
Should I speak “Tracker” is not good at typing on the internet
It gives “ME” the true natural sense of self , not being the body or mind of the brain that “I” use , seeing tracker as more of a ride that “I” use to get about , and there for is not cap stoning my self to my minds ability or my body , this means that “I” can there for take an outside view point of “MY” ride , and use it rather than link it to being the being and end all of everything “I” am .
This means that “I” can there for ( should I wish ) to have a far more alternate view of “My self” in association of my brain and body , which means I can then teach my Brain and body to become more skilful should “I” wish .

Also

Psychologists and self help books also use the third party view point to help those with self esteem issues and depression .
That’s why some self help books will ask you to use pictures of your self as a child , to which you then look at that picture and take on the idea that you are to help that child grow to have a far better life to which the onlooker takes that task .
This is a third party issue , and many people including my self have used this to help create our own destiny ,

Because

SELF , these days is a conditioned boxed up and imprisoned false sense of self designed by a system run by people who feed the system and have known nothing better for over 20,000 years or so .

It is only when we take an outside view point of our self and how we interact with life can we change things should we wish too , this is why when people say
“Take a look at your self look what you are doing”
the person they speak to never usually can because of the conditioned sense of self and that’s why they don’t change them self , because they associate the self as “ being the brain and ability” as the being and end all capstone of true self .

true self is half in and half out of the body brain experience , which is why our thoughts can manipulate nature hence “ we attract what we think” and also why some people have slight future insights , because “I” or “YOU” are not the body , thus the body “IS” an out side third party entreaty to the “TRUE SELF”.




:)

[yeah]

Good post, I >>> Tracker

[ambler1980]

You talk of control but have you any experience of how much kids actually control and manipulate their parents, how soon they learn to lie because they know they can manipulate? you seem to think that control is some adult function but this is totally false.

When did I say kids were perfect? Or that lying was something the control structure invented? You seem to be skewing the topic to suit your own needs.

[tracker]

Good post, I >>> Tracker

Why thankyou "Yeah" "I" believe my brain put that across nearly correctly and is an improvement on the tracker experience .

:D

lol , experience the tracker ride lol , it aint no fun fair thats for sure lol

some people experience talking to tracker , yet "I" have to live with the guy :D

[shed7628]

Here is a little quote for you which history has confirmed to be correct over and over again:

What are the three stages of a good bullshit story?

[ambler1980]

i want to make an important distinction here

there is nothing inherently wrong with the control structure...it is necessary because it is HAPPENING...it is there to teach us to stop playing victim and open our awareness to the point where we don't need anyone to control us

this is the lesson of this 3rd density reality...i believe this 2012 shift (into 4th density) is the control structure melting away because the lesson is being learned, so it's no longer needed

the big firewalled lie is that we NEED to be controlled, that we WANT to be controlled...we (subconsciously) DID, that's why it came about, but now, we don't, not anymore, so it's falling

[ambler1980]

What are the three stages of a good bullshit story?

first it is made up and made large, then it is advertised to all 5 senses, then it is bought and becomes a prison

[hmz16]

first it is made up and made large, then it is advertised to all 5 senses, then it is bought and becomes a prison

ouch... i love you

[shed7628]

first it is made up and made large, then it is advertised to all 5 senses, then it is bought and becomes a prison

Are you talking about Icke ?

[yeah]

lol , experience the tracker ride lol , it aint no fun fair thats for sure lol

some people experience talking to tracker , yet "I" have to live with the guy :D


Any-how fun fairs are creepy, and living with yourself is just nuts:)

[tracker]

i want to make an important distinction here

there is nothing inherently wrong with the control structure...it is necessary because it is HAPPENING...it is there to teach us to stop playing victim and open our awareness to the point where we don't need anyone to control us

this is the lesson of this 3rd density reality...i believe this 2012 shift (into 4th density) is the control structure melting away because the lesson is being learned, so it's no longer needed

the big firewalled lie is that we NEED to be controlled, that we WANT to be controlled...we (subconsciously) DID, that's why it came about, but now, we don't, not anymore, so it's falling

"I" want to make an important distinction here .
There "IS" something "WRONG" with the system which is "WHY" this control structure is going to change during this apparent 3rd density shift you so greatly speak about .
The shift , ( as you put it ) is a change , the "change" of density happens to be outside the "control systems teachings" because those who control it and those who are part of it and speak up for it wish us to have a false sense of self to feed the system that some one else placed upon us from birth and took away our true sense of self being the out side third party of our body brain experience .
If it was not neccessary for us to be tought that we are our bodies to be kept away from the truth , the system slaves would not work so damned well hard to make it that way .
thus the false lie teachings of the people in this system is there for "Not neccessary" at all !
It is a lie , a fraud , a hoax .
there for , is wrong and not neccessary .




:cool:

[tracker]

Any-how fun fairs are creepy, and living with yourself is just nuts:):D

[hmz16]

Are you talking about Icke ?

you seem to be falling away from the very point you made in your signature,
better catch-up!

[shed7628]

you seem to be falling away from the very point you made in your signature,
better catch-up!

My signature still stands.
accepting someones truth just because they throw in some 5 sense reality provable conspiracy stuff is just another cult.

imho will stop you getting centered, just as much as needing the latest iphone in the need to have the latest iphone cult.

[hmz16]

My signature still stands.
accepting someones truth just because they throw in some 5 sense reality provable conspiracy stuff is just another cult.

imho will stop you getting centered, just as much as needing the latest iphone in the need to have the latest iphone cult.

You are mixing "following" with "resonating".
I read OP's post and completely agree because I had the same thoughts about that issue, and it completely resonated with me, does that mean i'm a slave for a certain cult? no.

If world leaders and politicians make the action to slaughter a million of innocent people in other countries, then join together in an obscure place to do a ritual and pray for almighty Satan, does that mean they are slaves for a certain cult? yes.

[shed7628]

You are mixing "following" with "resonating".


or it could be you that are mixing the 2

res•o•nate

To evoke a feeling of shared emotion or belief: "It is a demonology [that] seems to resonate among secular and religious voters alike" (Tamar Jacoby).
To correspond closely or harmoniously: "Symbolism matters, especially if the symbols resonate with the larger message" (William Greider).

fol•low•ing

A group or gathering of admirers, adherents, or disciples: a lecturer with a large following

[freedom1st]

Recent new discoveries in psychology have shown that if “WE” ( what ever you consider to be “you”) thinks of our self as a third party , it helps develop awareness of what our “brains” do .
Now this is a new discovery ( according to them that is ) that our “brains” are indeed not the whole “entire us” and neither is “the body”.

When people wish to change their lives too , talking about our self as a third party helps place our self outside the “controlled and conditioned” sense of self.

EXAMPLE;
“I” am not good at typing on the internet.

“TRACKER” is not good at typing on the internet .

NOTE:
Did you see the difference ?
Can you tell how those “TWO” different replies actually reflect upon “My brains” ability ?

If “I” speak in the 1st sense of the question as to “I” am not good at typing on the internet , it insists that “I’ is the being and end all of the situation and there for capstones the finality that “I” can not improve and that” I” ( being my sense of self ) is there for associated with my sense of ability within the brain.

However ;
Should I speak “Tracker” is not good at typing on the internet
It gives “ME” the true natural sense of self , not being the body or mind of the brain that “I” use , seeing tracker as more of a ride that “I” use to get about , and there for is not cap stoning my self to my minds ability or my body , this means that “I” can there for take an outside view point of “MY” ride , and use it rather than link it to being the being and end all of everything “I” am .
This means that “I” can there for ( should I wish ) to have a far more alternate view of “My self” in association of my brain and body , which means I can then teach my Brain and body to become more skilful should “I” wish .

Also

Psychologists and self help books also use the third party view point to help those with self esteem issues and depression .
That’s why some self help books will ask you to use pictures of your self as a child , to which you then look at that picture and take on the idea that you are to help that child grow to have a far better life to which the onlooker takes that task .
This is a third party issue , and many people including my self have used this to help create our own destiny ,

Because

SELF , these days is a conditioned boxed up and imprisoned false sense of self designed by a system run by people who feed the system and have known nothing better for over 20,000 years or so .

It is only when we take an outside view point of our self and how we interact with life can we change things should we wish too , this is why when people say
“Take a look at your self look what you are doing”
the person they speak to never usually can because of the conditioned sense of self and that’s why they don’t change them self , because they associate the self as “ being the brain and ability” as the being and end all capstone of true self .

true self is half in and half out of the body brain experience , which is why our thoughts can manipulate nature hence “ we attract what we think” and also why some people have slight future insights , because “I” or “YOU” are not the body , thus the body “IS” an out side third party entreaty to the “TRUE SELF”.




:)

Interesting...you explain it well.
I might just give that a try..

[hmz16]

or it could be you that are mixing the 2

res•o•nate

To evoke a feeling of shared emotion or belief: "It is a demonology [that] seems to resonate among secular and religious voters alike" (Tamar Jacoby).
To correspond closely or harmoniously: "Symbolism matters, especially if the symbols resonate with the larger message" (William Greider).

fol•low•ing

A group or gathering of admirers, adherents, or disciples: a lecturer with a large following

you do realise there is a difference do you? and nit-picking certain lines won't do any good. :)

[marpat]

@marpat:

the "kicking eachother for eachother's toys" is the mere EFFECT of how we tell them how society is structured, if you keep away the truth from them, how can they help it? They think this solid world is all there is because they have been taught that.

Here is a little quote for you which history has confirmed to be correct over and over again:

Personally I think that is bollocks.

Quoting something about history doesnt mean that it applies to this situation

[hmz16]

Personally I think that is bollocks.

Quoting something about history doesnt mean that it applies to this situation

why do you find this "bollocks"?

one's opinion holds no value if that same person has been indoctrinated into society just enough to be a mindless slave of which's opinions are based on what he/she "knows" (irony). but since you are registered on this forum, I suppose you are an exception? well then I'd be glad to read why you disagree with OP.

[delamo1999]

I couldn't of said it any better ambler! :D

why do babies often cry in a very dramatic way?
is it natural? or is it the effect of seeing how this reality is manipulated since they are less affected on their age. something to consider.

You are born, your first few "manipulators" are your parents.
You get older, you play with other babies/friends and they have been manipulated the same way you have, only furthering the cause.

now THIS is where the real and hardcore shaking-off the rightbrain comes from:
SCHOOL. You are thrown in it at a very young age, taught that it is for education, to make you smarter so that you can later in the future function properly in society. Kids often think why do they need to go to school? and notice how the responce is you MUST learn, you MUST be educated. School is insanity, and the big roleplayer of creating a society-slave, it only further kills the right-brain.

Then you move on to bigger schools, perhaps universities for those who have had their rightbrain completely melt. Teenagers causing trouble because it is the EFFECT of all the lies, because they now think that this solid world is reality, they can cause trouble because they do not see anything of purity or love. It's all about ego-boosting, being part of a group, or being a lone nerd. you MUST have the newest phone, you MUST have the coolest brandmarked clothes, you MUST be goodlooking, all insanity.

You then begin to work your way in the society's "worklife",
your a young man/woman and you need to always go work and be productive for society, congratulations! You got your exams done in school and you are now completely a zombie-mindcontrolled-unaware-sleep-sheep-slave-zombie-drone!.

You will work, work, basically you will work your whole life. you must have a job or you will have no income. You basically have to beg for your master's feet, the Elite corporations. They whip you to work for you, and you like it because you've been taught lies since you were born.

School and Jobs are really insane, big factors that make it look like that this solid world is all there is. You've been taught government and police are here to serve us, and make everything safe, but infact its the exact opposite.
All the while wars are being engineered, population being reduces, animals being killed and called "sport", our natural Mother Earth is being tortured in all kinds of ways including destroying her forests, poisoning her waters.. etc etc.

But then comes a guy that says the truth, that everything you see here and have done is all a lie, it doesn't need to be done! You don't need this and that! It's all mindgames! and the public laughs and ridicules that man, isolating him from society because hes a "lunatic, crazy, fanatic, nut, conspiracy theorist"..

I would rather be labeled a "nut" by an insane society rather than be labeled "normal" by an insane society


Well said. I can relate to much of what you said here.

:):)

[ambler1980]

Are you talking about Icke ?

No.