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solve_et_coagula
19-10-2007, 10:44 PM
"Those who do not put themselves in service of the light necessarily serve the darkness. This is an implacable law. Willingly or not, consciously or not, if you fail to choose heaven, you are headed for hell. If you do not make the decision to climb, you will come tumbling down. You may think: ‘The light? Heaven? What on earth is that? I want to be free!’ Well, you will not be able to prevent the forces of darkness from coming to dwell in you. Those who seek this kind of freedom will discover slavery. They fail to realize that they are placing themselves under the influence of dark entities which are only interested in exploiting them. They get mixed up in things, imagining it is they themselves who desire and decide, when in fact they are carrying out someone else’s business. Most people are like children when it comes to understanding freedom: they believe they are free when they engage in all sorts of unreasonable and dangerous things, which will eventually limit or even destroy them. They open the cages of wild beasts which will tear them apart and devour them. Only the wise know that to be free they must first limit themselves, by placing themselves in service of the divine world."

Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov

a_fighter
19-10-2007, 11:42 PM
I dont believe in heaven or hell.

smariot
19-10-2007, 11:44 PM
"If you're not with us, you're against us." -- Jesus (apparently)


Those who do not put themselves in service of the darkness necessarily serve the light. This is an implacable law. Willingly or not, consciously or not, if you fail to choose hell, you are headed for heaven. . .

auron
19-10-2007, 11:54 PM
Mate, I'm already living in hell. :(

gorgeousbutterfly
19-10-2007, 11:57 PM
Mate, I'm already living in hell. :(

:mad: noooooooooooooooooo!!!

chandrakavi
20-10-2007, 02:36 AM
Mate, I'm already living in hell. :(

Every day we have a choice to live here and now,
If we chose the positive it can be Heaven on Earth,
Other times it can be hell, but you don't stay stuck in there,
What would the Devil do without people like us?:D
The damned ones comdemned by society,
When I get to hell, I'll be sure to put some air-conditioning there,
and have a wild time anyway. The rest sounds very boring...:D
Keep sinning, believe me it's the best, no need to confess to a priest,
they have more to do with that with stupid pedophilia and lots more.

Keep questioning the answers
Lots of people will be thankful to you
Any way heaven and Hell as a physical place don't exist anyway,
they are just metaphors.

INFINITE LOVE TO YOU AURON!:):D

auron
20-10-2007, 02:43 AM
Thanks Chandrakavi!!

You have just the right things to say! :)

majicdragon
20-10-2007, 06:58 AM
I was just talking about this with a real live friend the other day. We were talking about the choice of not living like we do. Not as slaves to the system in the future.

We both admit that we dependent on the system at this time, but that when the right time comes,

We have both basically made the decision not to be a part of a one world system, and are now just waiting for the proper time to drop out of it.

Yes, I have chosen. At the right and proper time, the move will be made, but I can see what will most probably happen tho those who have not yet made such a decision...

We who chose, will have moved away from they who have not chosen, and will no longer be around to influence them.

Therefore, they will accept chips that kill... yes, in some way the chips will kill... Use your imagination... A different death for everyone perhaps.

We will have moved on... like, into the bush, as a tribe... and the earth will become our heaven.

john white
20-10-2007, 08:36 AM
It's all in the language:

"If you fail to choose harmony, then you have imbalance"

Hows that?

oceanwave
20-10-2007, 08:40 AM
It's all in the language:

"If you fail to choose harmony, then you have imbalance"

Hows that?

spot on

lydia78
20-10-2007, 10:09 AM
Surely both are self created?
Heaven and hell are just extremities of 'Good and Bad' experiences
which are not just reserved for the after life,
The soul and spirit need to experience both during the evolution of consciousness, wisdom is created from experiencing both and learning from those experiences.
So is heaven and hell really that black and white as a concept?
Or is it more a paradox, wherein truth is to be found between both?

alleendewaarheid
20-10-2007, 10:13 AM
heaven and hell..dualistic nonsense..dark and light..dualistic nonsense..

there is no right or wrong..there are no shoulds...

this guy is spewing garbage...

you know how you can recognize it as bogus...fear promotion!

devin
20-10-2007, 01:55 PM
Those who do not put themselves in service of the light necessarily serve the darkness. This is an implacable law. Willingly or not, consciously or not, if you fail to choose heaven, you are headed for hell.

Have you ever seen heaven or hell? Are there are any places in between your heaven and hell in an existence which scientists claim there are 450 billion galaxies and parallel universes and which spiritual masters claim there are other dimensions?

If you do not make the decision to climb, you will come tumbling down.

Do you mean "If you do not make the decision to continue climbing...?"

You may think: ‘The light? Heaven? What on earth is that? I want to be free!’ Well, you will not be able to prevent the forces of darkness from coming to dwell in you.

Then so be it! If my spiritual guides continue to keep me in ignorance where the only information I get about the "light" and the "darkness" is from worthless books and documentaries by suspicious authors then they can go screw themselves!

Those who seek this kind of freedom will discover slavery. They fail to realize that they are placing themselves under the influence of dark entities which are only interested in exploiting them.

What do these dark entities look like? Man that would be nice when I leave this earth and I could say "Well it wasn't ME, guys! It was those damn dark entities that made me do all those wretched things!"

kblood
20-10-2007, 02:13 PM
I do not believe it is a simple choice to be made. It is in every choice, and some make it unconciously. It is not a matter of one day saying, I choose the light, and then try to be a good spiritual person...

So no, I do not believe in this post. Also, it is very vague everything that is mentioned in the post. What do you mean by following the "light"? To be a good person, be respectfull to others and show love and compassion?

To talk of it as a single choice, or a single climb makes it seems like you are the one who is misguided. Almost every choice is one of "good and evil". I also think it is way to dualistic though.

chandrakavi
21-10-2007, 04:01 PM
It's all in the language:

"If you fail to choose harmony, then you have imbalance"

Hows that?

You are absolutly right John white
Lao Tzu says the same in other words, but it is the same meaning,

"If you don't know the Eternal Law you will be courting disaster"
A good reminder for all of us.

razed1
21-10-2007, 08:05 PM
"what do u beleive in, heaven or hell?
ya dont belive in heaven cause we livin in HELL!"

-chef raekwon

adimon
21-10-2007, 08:10 PM
"...They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves...."

Sorry mate but why would we want anything to do with your heaven when Christianity promotes rape etc?

joss classey
21-10-2007, 08:12 PM
'Right so we're gonna tell them about all this shit right, then we're going to make it seem completely unbelievable. Then we're going to send them to hell for all eternity once they don't believe in it.' - God to Jesus in Heaven

'God that's such a good idea! I literally can't wait to see this one pan out'

strife
22-10-2007, 08:28 AM
'Right so we're gonna tell them about all this shit right, then we're going to make it seem completely unbelievable. Then we're going to send them to hell for all eternity once they don't believe in it.' - God to Jesus in Heaven

'God that's such a good idea! I literally can't wait to see this one pan out'

Lol, that's some funny stuff.

Mind if I add this?

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Lucifer: Hey guys, this God's a freakin' nutter, eh?! Let's rebel against him for his tyrannical ways!

God: How dare thee intrude upon my sovereign right as God!

Jesus: You tell 'em, daddy!
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But as far as the topic goes, well...I'm already in the Pit so I haven't got anywhere to go but up, eh?

Though the Abyss looks mighty tempting in comparison to the ineffable YHVH's way.

Just my two fiat papers.

serpentoffire
22-10-2007, 09:51 AM
"Those who do not put themselves in service of the light necessarily serve the darkness. This is an implacable law. Willingly or not, consciously or not, if you fail to choose heaven, you are headed for hell. If you do not make the decision to climb, you will come tumbling down. You may think: ‘The light? Heaven? What on earth is that? I want to be free!’ Well, you will not be able to prevent the forces of darkness from coming to dwell in you. Those who seek this kind of freedom will discover slavery. They fail to realize that they are placing themselves under the influence of dark entities which are only interested in exploiting them. They get mixed up in things, imagining it is they themselves who desire and decide, when in fact they are carrying out someone else’s business. Most people are like children when it comes to understanding freedom: they believe they are free when they engage in all sorts of unreasonable and dangerous things, which will eventually limit or even destroy them. They open the cages of wild beasts which will tear them apart and devour them. Only the wise know that to be free they must first limit themselves, by placing themselves in service of the divine world."

Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov

This is all mostly correct. I add that there isn't a final judgment but we are the judges of ourself in the sense that if our soul haven't the energy to fly out this earth it will be trapped in the matrix or, using an archetype, the hell.

Nice post.