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sunyatta60
19-10-2007, 08:37 AM
It is very important to get a sense of the fact that we live and move and have our being in our own Consciousness. Our Consciousness is not in the body. The body is in our Consciousness. Our home life is not something we are living in. Our home life is in our Consciousness. We do not live in the world. The world that we see is within us, in our Consciousness. And so everything that you come in contact with that you know, that you deal with on a daily basis, is within your Consciousness. Everything takes place in your Consciousness.

This is why a change in Consciousness has an effect in what appears to be the world ‘out here’. This is why spiritual healing works. When someone presents a problem to you whether it’s a relative, a friend, a student, an acquaintance or someone just walking down the street, that problem is being presented to your Consciousness for acceptance or rejection. And if we do not pay attention, of we are not alert then that problem can find entrance and appear in the life around us - in our life. But it cannot take root if we meet it the moment we see it; the moment we become aware of it.

You and I as the life of God, as the being of God, we are a law unto our world because we are a law unto our Consciousness. And we need to begin to look at it in this way. “I live and move and have my being in my own Consciousness.” Everything that I see taking place is being presented to my Consciousness. If I have a conscious awareness of the presence of God and only the presence of God, that is what I will demonstrate in my life. If I have the belief in ‘two’, that is the belief in God and this other, then that is what I will see taking place in my life.

And so the issues of life, every single one of them, are settled within in our Consciousness. And this is where I must entertain the truth of being or entertain a false concept of life. It is up to me and it is up to you.

In the beginning God gave us dominion and that’s not a dominion that we exercise by going out here and trying to change someone or trying to change some thing. No, the dominion that God gave us is within us, within our Consciousness. We must make it a practice to have the truth of being dwelling within us.

Christ tells us, remember now that Christ is not a person and Christ wasn't a person, Christ is the presence of God within us - now. Christ is the presence of God ever available. Christ is that Spirit that surrounds us now and flows in and through us. Christ is that Presence which can never die; the Comforter who has come to teach us all things; really, the comforter that has come to lift us up into the conscious awareness of Christ, because Christ is what we are. And so Christ that Presence, that Comforter, your Real Identity says to you, “Abide in Me and let Me abide in you, so shall you bare much fruit.” That means when we dwell in the truth and have the truth dwelling in us, it appears, it demonstrates as the life that we are living. But it is up to you and to me to have that truth abiding in us.

Oneness in Christ

klinker
19-10-2007, 08:45 AM
Christ - Where's the proof?

God - Where's the proof?

sunyatta60
19-10-2007, 08:49 AM
Christ - Where's the proof?

God - Where's the proof?

If you are looking outside of yourself which you probably have been you won't find Christ nor God. The Kingdom which you seek is within you I suggest either plenty of meditation which is the way I found it or some magic mushrooms both methods will lift the veil from your eyes.

The Kingdom of Heaven is Within You, and whoever knows himself shall
find it. And having found it, you shall know yourselves that You are in God
and God is in You, and, You are the Kingdom of God.
The Gnostic Christ Oxyrhynchus Manuscript

klinker
19-10-2007, 09:14 AM
Christ - Where's the proof?

God - Where's the proof?

If you are looking outside of yourself which you probably have been you won't find Christ nor God. The Kingdom which you seek is within you I suggest either plenty of meditation which is the way I found it or some magic mushrooms both methods will lift the veil from your eyes.

The Kingdom of Heaven is Within You, and whoever knows himself shall
find it. And having found it, you shall know yourselves that You are in God
and God is in You, and, You are the Kingdom of God.
The Gnostic Christ Oxyrhynchus Manuscript


Total nonsense.

Spirituality and ones consciousness I can handle but it gets right up my arse when anybody attempts to link this to God or Christ.

sunyatta60
19-10-2007, 09:19 AM
Total nonsense.

In your opinion, you just have not arrived home yet!

Spirituality and ones consciousness I can handle but it gets right up my arse when anybody attempts to link this to God or Christ.

God and Christ are just labels you need to move beyond them for some people God is not really an apt term it conjures up to much negativity I use it more for conventions sake. I think a better term would be Universal Mind or even Great Spirit.


Things that appear random to a limited awareness fit into place perfectly when awareness is expanded.
Dr Deepak Chopra

klinker
19-10-2007, 09:23 AM
I must be sounding disrespectful so I apologise.

Either way I won't be re mortgaging in to the the whole God thing. You're talking to a ex Catholic here so I've been there and done the whole brain washing nonsense not to mention the fundamentalism of Christianity in the mid 90's.

sunyatta60
19-10-2007, 10:21 AM
Either way I won't be re mortgaging in to the the whole God thing. You're talking to a ex Catholic here so I've been there and done the whole brain washing nonsense not to mention the fundamentalism of Christianity in the mid 90's.

Hi The Roman Church distorted the teachings of Christ which is why they tried to destroy the Gnostics who appear to have been the very first Christians no doubt about it the Roman Church is the Anti Christ Church. They ruled people through fear Christ taught that God was within you but the Church taught the opposite effecteviely setting up the middle man. Organised religion is mental slavery.

alleendewaarheid
19-10-2007, 11:15 AM
sunyatta60,

NICE!

i like to think of it as yes..everything outside us is actually within us..

i'm projecting the movie around me and i'm the director of the movie..

if i'm not happy with the film i'm creating i can shift my focus and change the film

thanks for this wonderful post...beautiful!

nextristan
19-10-2007, 03:33 PM
Great post. I enjoy how in the second post you distance the God and Christ reference from those that are set in our conciousness from organized religion and whatnot, and instead make them more of ideas. Ideas that don't need a 'middle man' to be properly respected and enjoyed.

I find that kind of spiritual perversion to be so frequent nowadays.

I think the best example of that I can think of is miracles. How everyone says miracles don't exist because they can be scientifically explained. Personally I think that it is completely within the power of God to work miracles through 'coincidences' (or scientifically explained phenomenons). Why wouldn't He? Sheesh.

And then there's evolution vs creationism. I think the two are perfectly complimented by one another. Creationism basically says God created everything as it is now. Evolution says everyone come from somewhere else and developed over time.
Why couldn't God set out an incredibly long process of creationism....or have his earlier creations evolve into his later creations.

Am I making sense? I'm trying to make a long-winded explanation readable lol.

majicdragon
20-10-2007, 04:17 PM
Love your take on Christ which the bible writes in as a person in the person of lucifer.

I like what you say , Great Spirit

I could say I believed in "wabo" and no-one knows what that is... but if I were to say wabo is just what I call the inner power which is also without and is along the same Idea of a spirit which encompasses all, I would find others who believe in wabo.

What's in a name...

I don't believe in the "Jesus is god" aspect either.

You know, words are making us disagree with one another and we all appear to believe the same thing. We believe the truth we know, and the more we know, seeking honestly, the more we will believe the same thing.

Then there are those who cling to what they are told and do not change due to lack of wonderment... or because they are told they will go to hell if they do.

majicdragon
20-10-2007, 04:23 PM
I believe in WABO

sunyatta60
19-11-2007, 11:00 AM
Anyone read Amit Goswami his book The Self Aware Universe?

The Antithesis of Material Realism is monistic idealism. In this philosophy, consciousness, not matter, is fundamental. Both the world of matter and the world of mental phenomena, such as thought, are determined by consciousness. In addition to the material and the mental spheres ( which together form the immanent reality, or world of manifestation), idealism posits a transcendent archetypal realm of ideas as the source of material and and mental phenomena. It is important to recognise that monisitc idealism is, as its name implies, a unitary philosophy; any subdivisions, such as the immanent and the transcendent, are within consciousness. Thus consciousness is the only ultimate reality.

Amit Goswami

In the Christian world, the names of the transcendent and immanent realms__heaven and earth__are part of our everyday vocabulary. However, our everyday usage fails to recognise the origin of these notions in monistic idealism.

Beyond the kingdoms of heaven and earth there is the Godhead, the King of the kingdoms. The kingdoms do not exist separately from the King: The King is the kingdoms writes the Christian idealist Dionysius: "It (consciousness__the ground of being) is within our intellects, souls and bodies in heaven, on earth, and whilst remaining the same in Itself. It is at once in, around and above the world, super-celestial, super-essential, a sun, a star, a fire, water, spirit, dew, cloud, stone rock, all that is.

Amit Goswami

Many idealist have maintained, however, that it is possible to experience heaven directly if one seeks beyond mundane everyday experiences. People who make such claims are known as mystics. Mysticism offers experiental proof of monisitc idealism.

Amit Goswami


The Gnostics clearly understood what Goswami is talking about in relation to King being Consciousness. In the bible the story of the Baptism of Christ always led me to ask, Baptised with what? It was not water, water is just a symbol for emotions, nope Christ became Conscious of his Oneness with God. So his Baptism represented his Conscious rebirth. This is explained by the Gnostic writer Timothy Freck below:

The Saviour King

At the heart of the perennial philosophy of Gnosticism is a simple but powerful idea, the implications of which we will be exploring through this book. It is the idea of God as a Big Mind which contains the cosmos and which is becoming conscious of itself through all conscious beings within the cosmos. The purpose of Gnostic initiation is to awaken in us a recognition of this our shared divine essence.

The Pagan Gnostics mythically represented the idea of the one Consciousness of God that is conscious in all by the image of the "King". Plotinus, for example writes:

"Consciousness is the King. And we are also the King when we are transformed into the King."

Based on this Pagan image the original Christians created the image of the "Christ" which, as we discussed previously, is equivalent in mean to "King". Paul describes Christ as "the consciousness of God" and teaches that we are all Christ’s body. When we are "baptized into union with him" through Gnostic initiation, "there is no such thing as Jew and Greek, slave and freeman, male and female; for we are all one in Christ Jesus".

If we replace the word "King" in the previous passage from Plotinus with the Jewish synonym "Christ" we can see just how similar Pagan and Christian Teachings are:

"Consciousness is the Christ. And we are also Christ when we are transformed into the Christ".

Pagan and Christian Gnostics imagined the iniatory journey to be about awakening the King within. In the Pagan Mysteries the initiate was "enthroned" as a king as part of the initiation ceremonies. Pagan Gnostics of the Cynic school called the realized initiate a "KING" in "THE KINGDOM OF GOD". Likewise, Christian Gnostics taught that when we realise Gnosis we will become "self-ruled" kings in the Kingdom of God and "reign over the All". They imagined the triumphant Christian initiate crowned with a halo of light, declaring: "The Light as become a crown on my head".

Timothy Freke

mariag
19-11-2007, 12:24 PM
Christ - Where's the proof?

God - Where's the proof?
Klinker!
Can YOU proove the non existance of God? Or Spirituality?

sunyatta60
19-11-2007, 01:05 PM
Klinker!
Can YOU proove the non existance of God? Or Spirituality?

I would be much more interested if Klinker or anyone else posting to this board could prove the World is Real.

mariag
19-11-2007, 01:16 PM
I would be much more interested if Klinker or anyone else posting to this board could prove the World is Real.

lol yes that would be very interesting.

synergy777
19-11-2007, 03:15 PM
christ is greek, yashuah was his name, and he talked about spirit. spirit is inside you and knowing this and developing your abilities to use it properly is the whole point of enlightenment. to be aware, connected, developed and empowered. the whole point being to act with compassion to all creations.


we should realise we all spirits, thus all have the same potential/power, its just data/development which connest/opens us up.

no one person is better than any other person, one class higher than class, messiah/king and we his lowly followers.

we are all equal. we are the brothers/sisters of all the teachers of old, one family.

yashuah, buddha, krishna, all said we are equal, we just have to develop ourselves, connect to the source/father, love eachother etc. he never said, i am the one, star/king, bow down etc.

what they spoke of, is "" pure logic "", its not some esoteric mystery, we all know this if we think objectively. i knew this as a kid, its only as i grew older, more indoctrinated, i started to think this bullshit of one person is better than other, this division of class, colour, etc was valid. then i researched the elites agenda, and saw through it.

we must go within ourselves and think freely.

i knew this stuff as a kid, education/experience of this world changed my views, it made me think like the system wants me to think, when the truth was within from the start, as it for everyone, if we listen. it's just now i have amassed the data to confirm the hypothesis i had as a child, this why we must try our hardest to be calm and have clarity(remove bias/programming)

so we are merely at different stages of data/development, but all have the same potential/power within us, the spirit.

so no one is messiah, its enlightenment/connection to the source. being aware of this connection and having the development/empowerment to use it for good. this is what we all humans are here for, we just forgot.

when the source creates our spirits, he/she creates them the same, so its logic to say we have the same potential, thus we are equal.

science, logic etc is the sources proof to us of his/her existence. science/spiritual knowledge is the same, think of the ancient times, alchemists/priests were the same.

recognise your divinity/spirit, thus connection to the source, then ask yourself, what do you really want to be. be all you want to be, because the only thing stopping you is you, the source will always be there with you, as he/she is in you, the spirit.

1love/peace

sunyatta60
19-11-2007, 07:33 PM
[QUOTE=synergy777;193287]christ is greek, yashuah was his name, and he talked about spirit. spirit is inside you and knowing this and developing your abilities to use it properly is the whole point of enlightenment.

Christ was the Greek translation of the Hebrew word Messiah meaning anointed One. Anointed with what? God Consciousness; hence he was the King. Yeshua had his teachings corrupted by the Roman Church who sought to usurp the teachings and enslave Billions of people over the last two millenia and become the Richest Institution in the process.

synergy777
20-11-2007, 03:21 PM
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/jesusx.html

yashuah ben yosef, an asiatic, african/arab, yashuah a nazarene, dead sea scrolls, teacher/revolutionary.

majicdragon
20-11-2007, 03:34 PM
I wish there was a way to know everything... oh wait, there is... but I don't want to die yet.

synergy777
20-11-2007, 04:13 PM
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4674/granduniversebyantifanrjn5.jpg

the crystal city at the galactic centre, is it home?

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/492/elysianfieldsjq8.jpg

the fields of elysium/heaven

http://download.playcast.ru/uploads/2007/01/27/171743.gif

synergy777
20-11-2007, 05:03 PM
krishna versus narasimha

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7946/narasimha1nt5.jpg

perseus versus medusa

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6913/perseusda4.jpg

archangel michael versus satan

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1972/archangelmichaelzc9.jpg

st george versus dragon

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4535/stgeorge2hi2.jpg

yashuah versus antichrist/7headed dragon of babylon

same story, same battle.