Is the Human race ready to get off its knees?

[truegroup]

I ask the question, because though there are many things spiritually that show mankind coming out of it's ignorant slumber, and beginning to correct it's disgraceful neglect of less fortunate people in the world. I don't think we're even close to getting this 'critical mass'.

I cite an experiment performed in the 60s at Yale by Milgram, in which he led people through an experiment to administer electric shocks to people, simply because a man in a white coat said so!

Full explanation here:
Milgram experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, here we are in the 'enlightened' noughties - 2008 to be exact, and the same experiment, and even MORE people pushed the button!
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/19/in-repeat-of-milgrams-electric-shock-experiment-people-still-pull-the-lever/

The salient quote from this is the following
The results, now a fixture in psychology textbooks, suggested that people’s moral attitudes can be suppressed when they’re put in a situation of obedience.

It beggars belief. I can't envisage any circumstances where I would push that button, but 70% of people would, and that is concerning to say the least.

[diamond dogs]

I ask the question, because though there are many things spiritually that show mankind coming out of it's ignorant slumber, and beginning to correct it's disgraceful neglect of less fortunate people in the world. I don't think we're even close to getting this 'critical mass'.

I cite an experiment performed in the 60s at Yale by Milgram, in which he led people through an experiment to administer electric shocks to people, simply because a man in a white coat said so!

Full explanation here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Now, here we are in the 'enlightened' noughties - 2008 to be exact, and the same experiment, and even MORE people pushed the button!
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/19/in-repeat-of-milgrams-electric-shock-experiment-people-still-pull-the-lever/

The salient quote from this is the following


It beggars belief. I can't envisage any circumstances where I would push that button, but 70% of people would, and that is concerning to say the least.

The recipient banging on the wall and they were told he had a heart condition but still continued..oh well we are f####d..

The same goes for the armed forces and martial law..they will not hesitate to open fire on their own civilians if they are told to do it is essential and to do so..We better start thinking about plan B

[graflok]

I ask the question, because though there are many things spiritually that show mankind coming out of it's ignorant slumber, and beginning to correct it's disgraceful neglect of less fortunate people in the world. I don't think we're even close to getting this 'critical mass'.

I cite an experiment performed in the 60s at Yale by Milgram, in which he led people through an experiment to administer electric shocks to people, simply because a man in a white coat said so!

Full explanation here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Now, here we are in the 'enlightened' noughties - 2008 to be exact, and the same experiment, and even MORE people pushed the button!
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/19/in-repeat-of-milgrams-electric-shock-experiment-people-still-pull-the-lever/

The salient quote from this is the following


It beggars belief. I can't envisage any circumstances where I would push that button, but 70% of people would, and that is concerning to say the least.

Nobody said everyone would wake up.

I would be worried if I were you. :p

[truegroup]

Nobody said everyone would wake up.

I would be worried if I were you. :p

Why would you be worried?

[reptileslayer]

i ask the question, because though there are many things spiritually that show mankind coming out of it's ignorant slumber, and beginning to correct it's disgraceful neglect of less fortunate people in the world. I don't think we're even close to getting this 'critical mass'.

I cite an experiment performed in the 60s at yale by milgram, in which he led people through an experiment to administer electric shocks to people, simply because a man in a white coat said so!

Full explanation here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/milgram_experiment

now, here we are in the 'enlightened' noughties - 2008 to be exact, and the same experiment, and even more people pushed the button!
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/19/in-repeat-of-milgrams-electric-shock-experiment-people-still-pull-the-lever/

the salient quote from this is the following


it beggars belief. I can't envisage any circumstances where i would push that button, but 70% of people would, and that is concerning to say the least.
i'm afraid that a big fat no!

[camreeno]

I'm sitting down in my chair, so I guess I'm off my knees.

[justin_pushka]

I ask the question, because though there are many things spiritually that show mankind coming out of it's ignorant slumber, and beginning to correct it's disgraceful neglect of less fortunate people in the world. I don't think we're even close to getting this 'critical mass'.

I cite an experiment performed in the 60s at Yale by Milgram, in which he led people through an experiment to administer electric shocks to people, simply because a man in a white coat said so!

Full explanation here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Now, here we are in the 'enlightened' noughties - 2008 to be exact, and the same experiment, and even MORE people pushed the button!
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/19/in-repeat-of-milgrams-electric-shock-experiment-people-still-pull-the-lever/

The salient quote from this is the following


It beggars belief. I can't envisage any circumstances where I would push that button, but 70% of people would, and that is concerning to say the least.

There is possibly another reason for the statistic. The fact is that so many people are aware of the millgram experiment. most people know the true nature of the experiment where as when it was new in the 60s they didnt so people know the guys not really getting shocked.

[verndewd]

no we arent ready. were demanding a globally saturated in blood reason to actually get off our lazy system fucked asses. Mankind has become complacent.

[truegroup]

There is possibly another reason for the statistic. The fact is that so many people are aware of the millgram experiment. most people know the true nature of the experiment where as when it was new in the 60s they didnt so people know the guys not really getting shocked.

Good point, but I didn't know until my Missus told me (studying psychology), and she had never heard of it. Maybe amongst psychology students it's knowledge, but they don't make up a big percentage.

It could be just that people need to be SHOWN their behaviour is sheeplike, before they realise how dumb it is?

[justin_pushka]

Humans may get off their knees but at £27 a pop for the book i dont think many humans will get the message. :mad:

[truegroup]

Humans may get off their knees but at £27 a pop for the book i dont think many humans will get the message. :mad:

Try going to a game of Football/ meal for two at an Indian. That's cheap for the research and time spent on it - IMO.

Another thing that bothers me about whether humanity is ready, is this hoarding mentality when there's bad weather, or a bread/milk shortage. So long as there is a 'look out for number one' mentality, there's no chance. If the system fell down with that kind of outlook, it would be survival of the strong, and there would be utter chaos.

[justin_pushka]

Try going to a game of Football/ meal for two at an Indian. That's cheap for the research and time spent on it - IMO.

Another thing that bothers me about whether humanity is ready, is this hoarding mentality when there's bad weather, or a bread/milk shortage. So long as there is a 'look out for number one' mentality, there's no chance. If the system fell down with that kind of outlook, it would be survival of the strong, and there would be utter chaos.

try doing your own research into why the new book is sold in bulk cheap to illuminati whores like whsmiths for less that £14.99 and sold direct to truthseekers at £20!

[truegroup]

try doing your own research into why the new book is sold in bulk cheap to illuminati whores like whsmiths for less that £14.99 and sold direct to truthseekers at £20!

Well, it's a bit off topic. WH Smith are selling it at a much smaller margin. The objective to get a big store to take the book, would be to try to reach a bigger market, and make more volume sales. WH Smith are probably getting the book at cost plus 10-15%, so not much profit for the team.

Now, if you buy it local, they have overheads like paying the people to pack and send it. If you feel so strongly, buy it at WH Smith. Do you really think they are hard up for a few bob, and your not buying stuff from them will make a difference? To me 'making a stand' by not buying from big retailers is like pissing into a hurricane.

Bottom line - If the people in charge of marketing David's book can sell to these people, they figure it's ok to buy from them.

[justin_pushka]

Well, it's a bit off topic. WH Smith are selling it at a much smaller margin. The objective to get a big store to take the book, would be to try to reach a bigger market, and make more volume sales. WH Smith are probably getting the book at cost plus 10-15%, so not much profit for the team.

Now, if you buy it local, they have overheads like paying the people to pack and send it. If you feel so strongly, buy it at WH Smith. Do you really think they are hard up for a few bob, and your not buying stuff from them will make a difference? To me 'making a stand' by not buying from big retailers is like pissing into a hurricane.

Bottom line - If the people in charge of marketing David's book can sell to these people, they figure it's ok to buy from them.

No you miss my point dude. What im saying if the books can be sold to whsmiths at cost ie less than 14.99 how come people who come directly to this site are charged 20 and then the ridiculous postage charge on top bringing it to almost 30? You would think that if david sold it to us at 14.99 hed be still making the same profit as selling to whsmiths. Basicly whsmiths get it cheap and make a profit but when david sells it to loyal truthseekers who come direct he rips us off. Im not slagging davids work off because i believe in it so much that ive volunteered work before seling books on his stall in the nineties. What im saying is why is whsmiths (with illuminati conections) given a great deal to alowing them to make proffit but when they are cut out and loyal fans go direct they are charged more? it makes no sense. Thats why i was sarcastic about the human race getting of its knees. Cos if david or his team think its ok to charge people who want to suport him more then whos gona want to read the book. Its totaly put me off buying it.