View Full Version : $US decline is pretty impressive
alleendewaarheid
19-10-2007, 12:25 AM
$US has gone down significantly in the last year.
check out the $US index
http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX&v=dmax
all "fiat" currencies are worthless "monopoly money" so i expect all other currencies to eventually become worthless but i believe the $US to "lead the demise" of the illuminati paper system.
two currencies that are at least somewhat precious metal backed or fully 1) swiss frank - i believe 20% of the currency is backed by gold 2) malaysian dinar - fully (i believe)
the house of rothchild oversees all private banks from europe that control all world central bankers. they print money out of thin air for our governments and charge our governments interest as well as us. most tax money in most countries goes toward paying debt back on the interest from these illuminati private bankers..
it's such a scam for americans as well as all others in the world...get rid of the "monopoly money" provided by the european private bankers and you take away their control.
the illuminati control emanates from the financial system..you take away their power to print money out of thin air and charge our governments and citizens interest and they cease to be a force to be reckoned with..
anyways...the illusion is getting more interesting with the huge devaluation of the $US...
interesting
BTW, what is Euro's percentage of "gold base"?
alleendewaarheid
19-10-2007, 10:31 AM
king,
euro has no gold backing..
the only currencies that have partial or full backing are the swiss frank and malaysian dinar respectively.
the euro is monopoly money also.
quite a scam isn't it?
majicdragon
19-10-2007, 12:10 PM
Is this the plan unfolding?...
Anders Lindman
19-10-2007, 12:35 PM
Is this the plan unfolding?...
More likely, cheap oil is beginning to run out...
alleendewaarheid
19-10-2007, 03:11 PM
down again today!
http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX
the malaysian currency is not dinar its ringgit
alleendewaarheid
19-10-2007, 05:52 PM
malaysian gold dinar:
http://www.moneyfiles.org/goldwar.html
http://www.muslim-affairs.com/?id=135
thetonic
19-10-2007, 05:56 PM
Impressive?... People are dying , I dont think impressive would be the word i would choose to use! ..:D
http://billpullman.org/film/id4/i30.jpg - President Whitmore(ID4):p
alleendewaarheid
19-10-2007, 05:58 PM
it's the word i chose to use...
people are dying? :rolleyes:
yep..people die everyday..they even choose when they die...and then they move on..haha
dying is actually a time to celebrate...
kblood
19-10-2007, 06:21 PM
interesting
BTW, what is Euro's percentage of "gold base"?
Yea, gold base is something that stopped being used back in... hmm, has it even been used these last 100 years?
Banks print out money, and sometimes they just type in numbers on accounts. Most banks are regulated a bit, like if they loan out too much money, and does not get the interests cashed in, then that bank might have to go bankrupt :eek: This cannot happen to the main banks of course. They are so well set, that they cannot go bankrupt. In fact, if they did they probably would not even have to tell anyone anyway. They set the rules to begin with, so all they use money for is a way to control the world. When a new bank opens up either in another country or a private bank, then it has to register and follow the rules at these other banks. They probably even get their "starting up capital" from the main banks, that in turn gets them from... wordpad or textedit :D
Anders Lindman
19-10-2007, 06:50 PM
Most banks are regulated a bit, like if they loan out too much money, and does not get the interests cashed in, then that bank might have to go bankrupt :eek: This cannot happen to the main banks of course. They are so well set, that they cannot go bankrupt.
If I have understood it correctly, in Sweden the government will bail out banks that go bankrupt. I think it was in the late 90s when the Swedish taxpayers had to pay a lot of money to banks to prevent them from going bankrupt.
And central banks act as a "lender of last resort":
"Originally the term referred to a reserve financial institution that secured other banks or eligible institutions, as a last resort; most often the central bank of a country. The purpose of this loan and lender is to prevent the collapse of institutions that are experiencing financial difficulty, most often near collapse."
"In the United States the Federal Reserve serves as the lender of last resort to those institutions that cannot obtain credit elsewhere and the collapse of which would have serious implications on the economy."
From: Lender of last resort - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
alleendewaarheid
19-10-2007, 07:15 PM
why don't we print our own monopoly money and lend out also and charge interest. it's a great scam the bankers have going. what was wrong with woodrow wilson that he allowed this to happened?
king,
euro has no gold backing..
the only currencies that have partial or full backing are the swiss frank and malaysian dinar respectively.
the euro is monopoly money also.
quite a scam isn't it?
I though i heard that euro was like 40% backed on gold?!
i guess not.
yes, what a scam.
now when you play that game monopoly you can just use real dollars and euros -- there is no difference compared to that fake money from the monopoly game.
BTW, why do you think the euro is more "worth" than $?
considering that both currencies are controlled by the same cabal -- there should be no difference!
is someone trying to create impression that dollar is going down more than euro, while in actuality it is the same crap?!
either that or big boys need to get another country on Euro, therefore creating appearance that euro is "stronger".
my theory is that moment those few countries that are still using their currency switch to euro -- the euro will be devalued overnight.
alleendewaarheid
19-10-2007, 09:20 PM
hi king,
currencies are a tricky business...
i've heard that the illuminati wants to devalue the $US and crash the US system and replace it with the amero.
it's hard to say really..is this really what the illuminati wants or has this to do with their loss of control of the financial system...OR...is this a planned crash of the $US to come out with a new currency the amero? time will tell...
you're right..both currencies are really worthless toilet paper but still as long as the people value those currencies they'll still be in use..the public could end this scam tomorrow if they all new about it..
your theory could be correct also..it's getting interesting though..i've never seen the $US so low..
and you know there is big time inflation here in the USA because of it...of course the gov't stats will hide the inflation
ron paul is interesting..if he becomes president he wants to transition from the worthless federal reserve notes to $US silver certificates or gold backed notes and gradually get rid of the federal reserve notes...he's clued in..he also wants to get rid of the IRS and the federal reserve...
can't say we're not living in interesting times...
Anders Lindman
19-10-2007, 09:24 PM
I have a theory. Since the U.S. dollar is the global oil currency, then when oil production begins to drop, the dollar will drop.
But oil doesn't only affect the dollar. When oil production goes down, the whole economy goes down, as explained here:
http://www.davidstrahan.com/audio/robert-hirsch-18.10.07.mp3
When the global economy goes down, there will be a LOT of money in circulation leading to massive inflation.
Money is already super-inflated, but the lion share of that money is swirling around in the financial markets, and not in the consumer markets. That's why the central banks have been able to pump in more and more money into the economy without the inflation being very large for consumers.
When the economy goes down, the financial markets will literary collapse, and all that excessive money will have to be spent on things of real value, which will cause enormous inflation even for consumer goods and services.
alleendewaarheid
19-10-2007, 09:28 PM
another interesting theory...
hi king,
currencies are a tricky business...
i've heard that the illuminati wants to devalue the $US and crash the US system and replace it with the amero.
hi alleendewaarheid
yes, that is one of possibilities, that is for sure.
it's hard to say really..is this really what the illuminati wants or has this to do with their loss of control of the financial system...OR...is this a planned crash of the $US to come out with a new currency the amero? time will tell...
my sentiments too.
you're right..both currencies are really worthless toilet paper but still as long as the people value those currencies they'll still be in use..the public could end this scam tomorrow if they all new about it..
yes, but i think that Joe Public is afraid to rock the boat.
he would rather go down with it than do something
your theory could be correct also..it's getting interesting though..i've never seen the $US so low..
remember how in 80's Reagan admin "adjusted" dollar downwards towards Deutche Mark?
At one time a dollar was like 3,xx DM, then i think they dropped it to 2 DM.
this makes me think that they can do the same with any other currency that they control anytime they need to
and you know there is big time inflation here in the USA because of it...of course the gov't stats will hide the inflation
yes, i live it,just like you do.
but sheeple seem totally ignorant of it, thanks to cheap junk from China and lots of Bread and Circuses.
ron paul is interesting..if he becomes president he wants to transition from the worthless federal reserve notes to $US silver certificates or gold backed notes and gradually get rid of the federal reserve notes...he's clued in..he also wants to get rid of the IRS and the federal reserve...
yes, he knows. Actually, i think most of U.S. presidents knew as well (not as Ron Paul maybe) knew about Shadow Government, like when Wilson said that there is a power so saddle, so permeating that no one speaks above their breath.
can't say we're not living in interesting times...
yes, like that Chinese proverb
I have a theory. Since the U.S. dollar is the global oil currency, then when oil production begins to drop, the dollar will drop.
But oil doesn't only affect the dollar. When oil production goes down, the whole economy goes down, as explained here:
http://www.davidstrahan.com/audio/robert-hirsch-18.10.07.mp3
When the global economy goes down, there will be a LOT of money in circulation leading to massive inflation.
Money is already super-inflated, but the lion share of that money is swirling around in the financial markets, and not in the consumer markets. That's why the central banks have been able to pump in more and more money into the economy without the inflation being very large for consumers.
When the economy goes down, the financial markets will literary collapse, and all that excessive money will have to be spent on things of real value, which will cause enormous inflation even for consumer goods and services.
you may be right.
graflok
20-10-2007, 04:45 PM
The NY price of gold has been rising sharply for the last 2 months. I was
in a major gold/coin shop yesterday and asked the owner if he'd ever
seen the price rise like this before. He grinned from ear to ear (a rare
thing with this guy) and he said, "No. It's very exciting!"
I asked him again, "Ever?" And he said, "No, never."
Of course, the rising price of gold reflects the falling value of the dollar.
http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/32540/2001515007739887003_rs.jpg
joyful
20-10-2007, 07:06 PM
Only two US presidents in history have bypassed the evil Federal Reserve and printed debt-free 'treasury' notes. Abraham Lincoln and John F Kennedy. Both ended up with bullets in the head. Coincidence?
President Lincoln was advised to get Congress to pass a law authorizing the printing of full legal tender Treasury notes to pay for the War effort. Lincoln recognized the great benefits of this issue. At one point hi wrote:
"... (we) gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they have ever had - their own paper money to pay their own debts..."
Soon after he was assassinated and his law revoked.
On June 4, 1963 President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Five month's later he was assassinated. Only one day after Kennedy's assassination, all the United States notes which Kennedy had issued were called out of circulation.
http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/pres.htm
alleendewaarheid
20-10-2007, 07:48 PM
graflok,
actually the price has risen like this before in the late 1970s/early 80s and it went up much faster..
having said that i've always expected gold to go much further than it did in the early 1980s..roughly above $800/ounce..
alleendewaarheid
20-10-2007, 07:49 PM
hi joyful,
that's what i've heard also...
graflok
20-10-2007, 09:03 PM
graflok,
actually the price has risen like this before in the late 1970s/early 80s and it went up much faster..
having said that i've always expected gold to go much further than it did in the early 1980s..roughly above $800/ounce..
Yes, that's right. Here's a 30-year graph:
http://aycu05.webshots.com/image/28684/2004100321553728888_rs.jpg
The price yesterday for a one-ounce gold coin (including the coinage premium) was $805.00
alleendewaarheid
20-10-2007, 09:07 PM
i believe this time we'll go much higher:D
graflok
20-10-2007, 09:13 PM
Much, much higher. ;)
mcmenek1
20-10-2007, 09:18 PM
Yes, that's right. Here's a 30-year graph:
http://aycu05.webshots.com/image/28684/2004100321553728888_rs.jpg
The price yesterday for a one-ounce gold coin (including the coinage premium) was $805.00
I think the smart money is moving out of currency and in to gold because they know the shit is going to hit the fan soon.....I think the value of the US dollar and the UK pound are both going to nose dive soon.....the signs are looking ominous........ its all part of the drive by "The Powers That Be" to create a New World Order.......
Love
&
Peace
alleendewaarheid
20-10-2007, 09:32 PM
mcmenek1,
i agree with you but i in fact believe we may be witnessing the beginning of the quick end of the fiat currencies...all of them
i just believe it will begin with the $US and then will quickly spread...
i have a friend who does "gold deals" and there seems to be quite the panic now to buy gold....;)
Anders Lindman
20-10-2007, 09:52 PM
One problem is that the public is made to believe that one has to speculate about investments, while in reality I think the big players control all major markets, including gold. The big players use zero risk management to suck the living juice out the public who essentially always have to go by 100% speculation at best, and by manipulated facts given to them by economic 'experts' at worst. The real experts will never tell the public any information of real value, because then they will lose money.
mcmenek1
20-10-2007, 09:58 PM
mcmenek1,
i agree with you but i in fact believe we may be witnessing the beginning of the quick end of the fiat currencies...all of them
i just believe it will begin with the $US and then will quickly spread...
i have a friend who does "gold deals" and there seems to be quite the panic now to buy gold....;)
Hi alleendewaarheid,
Yeah I agree..... the panic to buy gold is is driving the price up and as you say its going to keep going up........when the value of the US dollar finally collapses the price of gold will rocket through the roof.......
Love
&
Peace
alleendewaarheid
20-10-2007, 10:02 PM
hi anders,
yeah..of course they've controlled all the markets..and you're right...at the expense of the public..unless you were smart enough to "go along for the ride" BUT..
i believe now is different and they are losing control...
Anders Lindman
20-10-2007, 10:10 PM
hi anders,
yeah..of course they've controlled all the markets..and you're right...at the expense of the public..unless you were smart enough to "go along for the ride" BUT..
i believe now is different and they are losing control...
I heard that 99% (something like that) of all money transactions going on in the world are financial trade transactions! :eek: Just money-masturbation; moneychanger stuff.
I agree, it probably has come to a point where that whole game is on the verge of, maybe not a collapse, but at least a turning point. The hedge fund mess and now recently the subprime mess are some indications of this.
Anders Lindman
20-10-2007, 10:59 PM
a turning point
The turning point is easy to see. The exponential growth in money - and hence debt - has been possible because of an exponential growth in the economy. That economy has for the last century or so been fueled by oil. If the economy is not growing exponentially, the debt which the printing of more and more money has created cannot be repaid. When the oil production can no longer fuel the economy to reach enough growth, then the money balloon starts to leak. Since money is debt, then if that debt cannot be repaid, the money loses its value.
hi anders,
yeah..of course they've controlled all the markets..and you're right...at the expense of the public..unless you were smart enough to "go along for the ride" BUT..
i believe now is different and they are losing control...
it was bound to happen.
until a few years back, they did not have plunge protection team, now they do and that should be a clue that they are indeed loosing control because there is nothing left to plunder in order that financial illusion can be kept alive.
Anders Lindman
27-10-2007, 12:30 AM
there is nothing left to plunder in order that financial illusion can be kept alive.
I thought about that today. When the central banks create new money, so-called high-powered money, then that is a loan, and that loan is based on real value (if I remember correctly), and maybe there is very little real value left that is not already used to back up previous loans, and therefore the money system will begin to choke itself.
Anders Lindman
27-10-2007, 12:38 AM
and maybe there is very little real value left that is not already used to back up previous loans
Wait a minute... There is little real value left that is not already bound to previous loans in the western world like in America and Europe, but in the eastern world like in India and China plenty of real value is left that can be used to back up loans to central banks. That would explain why the Federal Reserve for example has become so much in debt to China.