Bill Kaysing - the real MOON truthseeker!!!

[starshine]

http://missions-apollo.ifrance.com/kaysingb.jpg

I believe in this man very, very much and I believe he was actually hounded out by NASA thugs to live in a trailer park in near poverty with his furchildren (ie his cats). His wife suffered and he knew that those 3 astronauts who were going to talk actually wherre murdered and he knows that Stanley Kubrick was paid BIG MONEY to fake the Moon Landings on Area 51.
Men like Bill Kaysing are unfortunately never appreciated but I do notice that Buzz Aldrin looks extremely thugish for my liking. How dare he punch a man in the face in broad daylight.:mad:

[starshine]

http://www.billkaysing.com/

A wonderful link on the man, who paved the way for other researchers.:cool:

[starshine]

http://www.billkaysing.com/thewrongstuff.php

Read the REAL STORY and I have noticed the Wikipage on Bill Kaysing would always claim that he is of mental illness.
Kaysing, was actually in the pay of NASA during the 60's and he knew that the space vechicle would not of withstood the real Moon atmosphere whatsoever. I feel that aliens (which do exist) use the Moon as a base to arrive at earth to create havoc but just remember that 3 previous astronauts died because they were going to WhistleBlow but they were replaced by actors.:mad:

[truegroup]

I believe in this man very, very much and I believe he was actually hounded out by NASA thugs to live in a trailer park in near poverty with his furchildren (ie his cats).

Good for you. Try doing some real research on him. He seems to 'know' an awful lot considering he was only partially involved in working for Rocketdyne 6 years before Apollo!

http://www3.telus.net/summa/moonshot/random.htm
http://www.clavius.org/kaysing.html


Men like Bill Kaysing are unfortunately never appreciated but I do notice that Buzz Aldrin looks extremely thugish for my liking. How dare he punch a man in the face in broad daylight.:mad:

Kaysing contradicted himself so many times in interviews it became laughable. The HBs love him, because he is 'a champion of truth', rather than the bitter twisted old man, trying to sell his book.

As for Buzz Aldrin? You for real? Bart Sibrel hounded him constantly. Called him a coward and a liar. I hate violence. but what a superb punch, thoroughly deserved. And, guess what Sibrel's first thought was? "Did you get that?" He then did his 'astronauts out of control' filming, and failed to point out the stalking level of his provocations.

[starshine]

Who knows Buzz Aldrin could of been put in that 'spacecraft' to punch those men into submission if they never cooperated at all. I am for real and I am surprised that David Icke has never mentioned the Moon Landing Hoax in his latest book at all. I am reading loads of Icke too and other people of interest.:)

[truegroup]

Who knows Buzz Aldrin could of been put in that 'spacecraft' to punch those men into submission if they never cooperated at all.

Not you, judging by that particular theory.

[dontbeafraid]

Good for you. Try doing some real research on him. He seems to 'know' an awful lot considering he was only partially involved in working for Rocketdyne 6 years before Apollo!

http://www3.telus.net/summa/moonshot/random.htm
http://www.clavius.org/kaysing.html




Kaysing contradicted himself so many times in interviews it became laughable. The HBs love him, because he is 'a champion of truth', rather than the bitter twisted old man, trying to sell his book.

As for Buzz Aldrin? You for real? Bart Sibrel hounded him constantly. Called him a coward and a liar. I hate violence. but what a superb punch, thoroughly deserved. And, guess what Sibrel's first thought was? "Did you get that?" He then did his 'astronauts out of control' filming, and failed to point out the stalking level of his provocations.

Kaysing was as honest a guy as it gets. I listened to him talk and he is not lying. Just take a look at the guy and you can see he is not the type to even dream of making up a story. He is the old school who knew a fraud and con job when he sees it. And he was also the type of guy to expose a con or fraud. Not many people are, they just keep it to themselves to avoid the press.


An astronauts punching people and going apeshit, when a person asks them a question, no matter how stupid it might seem to you, is a SIGN that something is WRONG with the astronauts mentally.

I have had mentally ill people ask me weird questions and I didnt beat the crap out of them. Or go apeshit. Something is wrong with those astronauts, and if you can't see that, then something is wrong with you too. Cause its not ok to just hit people who ask a question. Even if they do it in an annoying way.

[dontbeafraid]

Who knows Buzz Aldrin could of been put in that 'spacecraft' to punch those men into submission if they never cooperated at all. I am for real and I am surprised that David Icke has never mentioned the Moon Landing Hoax in his latest book at all. I am reading loads of Icke too and other people of interest.:)

It would have been a good idea to at least mention the hoax, some people still think they really walked on the moon. Not alot, but evey few months I run across one.

[dontbeafraid]

Not you, judging by that particular theory.

You have no idea what Kaysing risked exposing nasa. You don't know because you would never even be brave enough to expose any criminal activity the government was perpetrating. You probably never stood up to the government in your whole life, all you do is stand up for them.

[truegroup]

Kaysing was as honest a guy as it gets. I listened to him talk and he is not lying. Just take a look at the guy and you can see he is not the type to even dream of making up a story. He is the old school who knew a fraud and con job when he sees it. And he was also the type of guy to expose a con or fraud. Not many people are, they just keep it to themselves to avoid the press.
He was a bitter twisted old git, who had an axe to grind with NASA. I look at him and he's lying his ass off to sell his book!
Some Kaysing quotes:
http://www3.telus.net/summa/moonshot/random.htm

One of Bill Kaysing's: 'The media is 100% controlled to feed you all this conspiracy crap so you all go on believing that men landed on the Moon and people have even had their radio transmitters destroyed to prevent the hoax from being exposed.' He then thanks the radio station for interviewing him and broadcasting his words to the millions of listeners....




Watch this for honest reactions and people not lying (I'm not posting all 12 bits - doubt any of you HBs will even watch one of them!)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRusDqEK4aI


An astronauts punching people and going apeshit, when a person asks them a question, no matter how stupid it might seem to you, is a SIGN that something is WRONG with the astronauts mentally.
Bart Sibrel was recently arrested for jumping on a woman's car! He basically stalked the astronauts for several months, then finally went up to Buzz and deliberately provoked him then called him a coward and a liar.

Buzz Aldrin punch - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU

Kapow!

Recently Bart Sibrel was arrested for road rage!! What goes around comes around.

[dontbeafraid]

Here is a moon set when nasa was experimenting with rubber floors covered with sackcloth and specially painted dust and dirt. Go to the middle of the film right before he falls.(must have been a a hard day at the set) note: often they didnt check to see if their suit got damaged when falling.
Just concentrate on the area around the astronauts feet and you can see that they used a type of rubber floor to add some bounce when the astronauts bounced around to fake low gravity. It was rubber, coated with some kind of fabric like sackcloth that would hold grains of sand and dust well. As the astronaut slips it practically tears the sackcloth floor, you can see the dirt spring in the air from the sackcloth being stressed 3 feet away heading outwards.

Astronaut falls over - YouTube

[truegroup]

Bunny hopping on the Moon. Impossible on Earth. Huge open area, long distance covered. Massive jumps.

Astronaut runs downhill - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDpwtnGS6uc

NO WIRES!! Speed that one up, and explain how he managed to jump up to 8ft with consumate ease.

[dontbeafraid]

Bunny hopping on the Moon. Impossible on Earth. Huge open area, long distance covered. Massive jumps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDpwtnGS6uc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDpwtnGS6uc

NO WIRES!! Speed that one up, and explain how he managed to jump up to 8ft with consumate ease.

Thank you, you just proved my point.
You can see the rubber floor and sackcloth cause the sand 4 ft away to spring in the air. And bunny hopping 10 ft or more downhill is an easy task for a fighter pilot in top physical condition, in a lightweight ,FAKE astronaut suit made of paper, cardboard and nylon. :rolleyes:

[truegroup]

Thank you, you just proved my point.
You can see the rubber floor and sackcloth cause the sand 4 ft away to spring in the air. And bunny hopping 10 ft or more downhill is an easy task for a fighter pilot in top physical condition, in a lightweight ,FAKE astronaut suit made of paper, cardboard and nylon. :rolleyes:

Yeah right.:rolleyes::rolleyes: Foolishness beyond words.

[dontbeafraid]

Yeah right.:rolleyes::rolleyes: Foolishness beyond words.

Foolishness? Bro, it is impossible to bunny hop with a backpack that weighs 50 lbs and is attached to the outside of your suit. It would fly up over his head, even in the moon's gravitational field! Go put a back pack on, put in it a refrigation unit and oxygen tank and bunny hop. Please, go do it.

[truegroup]

Foolishness? Bro, it is impossible to bunny hop with a backpack that weighs 50 lbs and is attached to the outside of your suit.

Well you said it, IT'S ATTACHED and damn firmly to keep them alive! If it is impossible, how come it is on the film.

It would fly up over his head, even in the moon's gravitational field! Go put a back pack on, put in it a refrigation unit and oxygen tank and bunny hop. Please, go do it.

I did last week, it stayed in place and I managed a couple of 3 feet hops.
Your guesswork about what you think should happen is just more daft armwaving.

Watch an athlete perform a 10 foot jump, with LOADS of effort and next to zero clothing, on flat surface, and just ONE of them, not back to back continuously!

John Norcott 10ft 4in standing broad jump. 8/12/08 - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUJA6aL1xyQ

[graflok]

He was a bitter twisted old git, who had an axe to grind with NASA. I look at him and he's lying his ass off to sell his book!

Never heard of Kaysing before but if truegroup hates him he must be worth listening to.
Thanks for the tip, truegroup. Your venom has more value than you know. :)

[truegroup]

Never heard of Kaysing before

No surprise at all - I've posted some info below for you to believe immediately if it confirms your story and deny completely if it doesn't.

He didn't even work for NASA(he was a technical publisher for Rocketdyne), knew NOTHING of the Apollo missions or any of the preparation work, yet goes on like he's some sort of authority. He wasn't.

http://www.clavius.org/kaysing.html

From interview:
http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/index.html

So you're working at the rocket place developing, working for the space program. You eventually leave the space program. At that point, did you know that the moon landings were going to be faked. 'Cause you said in 1959 the USA realized they couldn't put a man on the moon, so they started faking stuff. Why didn't you spill the beans right then?
Well, I don't know. What motivated me to spill the beans was a young man from the Vietnam wars by the name of John Grant. He said that he was sent to Vietnam to kill people with no good reason and he also got a heroin habit, and he says, "Bill," he says, "what I want you to do is blow the whistle on this rotten, corrupt government." He says, "Why don't you say something outrageous, like, we never went to the moon?" So I attribute my interest in this project to John Grant.

[dontbeafraid]

Well you said it, IT'S ATTACHED and damn firmly to keep them alive! If it is impossible, how come it is on the film.



I did last week, it stayed in place and I managed a couple of 3 feet hops.
Your guesswork about what you think should happen is just more daft armwaving.

Watch an athlete perform a 10 foot jump, with LOADS of effort and next to zero clothing, on flat surface, and just ONE of them, not back to back continuously!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUJA6aL1xyQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUJA6aL1xyQ

Cause its a FAKE backpack that doesnt weigh anything.

With a real astronaut backpack on it wouldnt be possible to bunny hop. The pack would slam up and down. So they filmed him wearing a FAKE lightweight backpack.

I dont know if saying it twice will help you understand, but I wrote it down twice for you.

Can I ask you a question? Does nasa add a few bucks to your retirement pay for any of the posts you make, or are you doing this ridiculous "nasa went to the moon" because they patched you? Honest answer please. Your bosses don't read the dribble you write, so spill the beans.

[graflok]

No surprise at all - I've posted some info below for you to believe immediately if it confirms your story and deny completely if it doesn't.


That was very thoughtful of you truegroup. It's nice to know you're looking out
for me.

[dontbeafraid]

I challenge any nasa shill to bunnyhop in a space suit down a hill. Film it and put it on youtube. You can even reduce the weight of the suit to the weight it is when on the moon. But be warned, the helmet will bang on your head too, not just the refrigator and air tank on your back. So I will not take any responsibility for any injuries.

[truegroup]

Cause its a FAKE backpack that doesnt weigh anything.
Prove it. No it isn't.

With a real astronaut backpack on it wouldnt be possible to bunny hop. The pack would slam up and down.

Says you from a position of ignorance on the design of it.

I dont know if saying it twice will help you understand, but I wrote it down twice for you.
You don't know shit about it, you can say it a hundred times it's still BS.

Can I ask you a question? Does nasa add a few bucks to your retirement pay for any of the posts you make, or are you doing this ridiculous "nasa went to the moon" because they patched you? Honest answer please. Your bosses don't read the dribble you write, so spill the beans.

Your question about NASA and money is pathetic. Spill the beans? Why because somebody living in fucking Guilford England is working for NASA??
Because I am arguing some of the most ignorant HBs on the planet, it is very challenging to get even one point acknowledged. All my large debunking posts get 'ignored' because they bury the original argument.

Switching to the old NASA damage control defence I say.


Here's a question for you:

Prove there is a leading edge (a pressure wave) preceding a moving body such as a man walking) - cite the physics evidence.

[starshine]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Watch this video on the GREAT MAN.:cool:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[truegroup]

Watch this video on the GREAT MAN.:cool:


Nah, read this instead:

http://www.bautforum.com.php5-9.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/archive/index.php/t-9390.html

[starshine]

TrueGroup, you sound like someone I have had the MISFORTUNE to know but then again that man sounds as if he actually created the 'space'craft to go to the moon.
Yeah we Kaysing followers need to stick together and when you see that photograph of the great man called Bill Kaysing it looks as if he is so sincere, intelligent, honest and a real whistleblower. He knew that Area 51 was the real Moon scenery and what gets me is this, and listen to this.
If the 'spacecraft' needed so much equipment to blast itself to The Moon in a straight line:rolleyes:, then how the hell did not this equipment be on The Moon to blast the 'spacecraft' back to Earth???

[apollo_gnomon]

If the 'spacecraft' needed so much equipment to blast itself to The Moon in a straight line, then how the hell did not this equipment be on The Moon to blast the 'spacecraft' back to Earth???
The stupid, it hurts!

Ugh. Lunar trajectory. Delta-v required to achieve orbital velocity. Delta-v required for lunar obit insertion. Falling from moon to earth.

Gibberish? No - hints for you to google with.

http://www.myspacemuseum.com/10074650.jpg

[starshine]

Thanks for the Illuminati NASA link Mr Einstien. Hey why has not the wonderful NASA done the Mars Mission yet, and I will tell you why.
It is because there is no Earthly venue that can 'ghost' as Planet Mars.

[frenat]

If the 'spacecraft' needed so much equipment to blast itself to The Moon in a straight line:rolleyes:, then how the hell did not this equipment be on The Moon to blast the 'spacecraft' back to Earth???
Think of the trip to the moon like a ride in a car. You start at sea level and drive up a mountain. Your destination is on the other side but only part way down. You get to the top and coast down not using any fuel. On the way back you have a much shorter drive to the top and can coast all the way home.
A trip to the Moon is similar. There is a lot of energy needed to get out of the Earth's main influence and into the Moon's but on the way back not so much.

[truegroup]

TrueGroup, you sound like someone I have had the MISFORTUNE to know but then again that man sounds as if he actually created the 'space'craft to go to the moon.

Awww don't be like that just because I think Billy boy is an old git. You think he was a designer on the rocket???

You must have seen my original reply after your post in the other thread. You ignored his contradictions.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058942706&postcount=81

You also ignored the quote where he said
He says, "Why don't you say something outrageous, like, we never went to the moon?" So I attribute my interest in this project to John Grant.

This guy thinks stars should be visible on photos when any photographer with half a brain will tell you otherwise.

HE'S TRYING TO SELL HIS BOOK!

Go and look at the youtube videos titled 'in the shadow of the moon'. Look at the astronauts - now THAT is sincerity and honesty.(I doubt you will).

Yeah we Kaysing followers need to stick together and when you see that photograph of the great man called Bill Kaysing it looks as if he is so sincere, intelligent, honest and a real whistleblower. He knew that Area 51 was the real Moon scenery and what gets me is this, and listen to this.
Joke comment of the year. He knew? Oh yeah, how? You don't know, and he had zero chance of being invited there. He may have been, what's the word, errrrrr, GUESSING. And then it was a bad guess.
Gullibility is not a cure for ignorance.

If the 'spacecraft' needed so much equipment to blast itself to The Moon in a straight line:rolleyes:, then how the hell did not this equipment be on The Moon to blast the 'spacecraft' back to Earth???

Well, the rocket dropped off bits, as it went along.
As it got into space there was only a small CM and a small LM they then fired a rocket that sent them to the moon very easily.
They landed, fired another rocket to get off the moon , docked and fired another rocket and came back. I can't believe you had a sarcastic smiley when you know NOTHING about the mission.

[truegroup]

Thanks for the Illuminati NASA link Mr Einstien. Hey why has not the wonderful NASA done the Mars Mission yet, and I will tell you why.
It is because there is no Earthly venue that can 'ghost' as Planet Mars.

They have. Not with men yet - due to many potential problems related to the duration of the flight:
Manned mission to Mars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm sure they will overcome them, and I'm equally sure that no matter what, there will still be people who think it is faked.

Here is a video showing recent topographical mapping of the Moon, matching exactly with photography 40 years ago on Apollo 15.

Apollo 15's Landing Site Scanned by KAGUYA (SELENE) - YouTube

Not Area 51, area Palus Putredinis on the Moon.

[tabea_blumenschein]

TrueGroup, you sound like someone I have had the MISFORTUNE to know but then again that man sounds as if he actually created the 'space'craft to go to the moon.
Yeah we Kaysing followers need to stick together and when you see that photograph of the great man called Bill Kaysing it looks as if he is so sincere, intelligent, honest and a real whistleblower. He knew that Area 51 was the real Moon scenery and what gets me is this, and listen to this.
If the 'spacecraft' needed so much equipment to blast itself to The Moon in a straight line:rolleyes:, then how the hell did not this equipment be on The Moon to blast the 'spacecraft' back to Earth???

Think of the trip to the moon like a ride in a car. You start at sea level and drive up a mountain. Your destination is on the other side but only part way down. You get to the top and coast down not using any fuel. On the way back you have a much shorter drive to the top and can coast all the way home.
A trip to the Moon is similar. There is a lot of energy needed to get out of the Earth's main influence and into the Moon's but on the way back not so much.


Frenat pretty much nailed this one, but I thought I'd like to add that by the time you're ready to get back to Earth you've also jettisoned thousands of kilograms of mass and reduced your energy requirements accordingly. Using frenat's "ride in a car" analogy, it would be like a shorter drive to the top after removing a load of cement blocks from the trunk of the car.

To get a spacecraft to the Moon from near-Earth orbit requires accelerating it to approximately 3,200 meters per second above orbital velocity. Getting it back to Earth from near-Lunar orbit requires an acceleration to less than 700 meters per second above orbital velocity. That, plus getting rid of a huge amount of dead mass explains why such a small rocket can get you back to Earth.

With that, I'd say we've just about beaten this question to death.

[ultima1]

I stil see the hoaxers are posting a lot, but just BS no real, proper evidence.

The moon landings have been proven over and over for decades, the haoxers theories only been around a few years.

[starshine]

Bill Kaysing knew this was a FRAUD ever since the 'first' Moon Landings.
Kaysing was a man who had to self publish his excellent book because he had the guts and paved the way for Icke, Tsarion, Jones, Watts, etc.:)

[truegroup]

Bill Kaysing knew this was a FRAUD ever since the 'first' Moon Landings.
Kaysing was a man who had to self publish his excellent book because he had the guts and paved the way for Icke, Tsarion, Jones, Watts, etc.:)

You can keep saying this all you like. It doesn't make it true. He wrote his seriously flawed book out of malice for the American Government.
You seem to have trouble acknowledging the quote - here it is again:

"He says, "Why don't you say something outrageous, like, we never went to the moon?" So I attribute my interest in this project to John Grant. "

The idea occurred to him to make the claim, and LUCKILY it was true. What a load of tosh.

David paved his own way DESPITE liars like Bill Kaysing.

Anatomy of Conspiracy Theorist, Pt 2: Paranoia (remake) - YouTube

[starshine]

If you say so.:rolleyes: