UK Chemtrails

[gaznix]

The Ultimate CHEMTRUTH: Chemtrails, Morgellons Disease, and Global Depopulation

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6914650033464787209#

[willys girl]

Just wanted to share this with you all.This morning I was speaking to my neighbour when I saw the first chemtrail being laid.I started to discuss chemtrails with him as I have several times before but he is skeptical.However he has just had the internet put on and has promised to investigate himself.As we were talking I pointed out another plane spraying and then another.I was watching a trail when it suddenly stopped.My neighbour and I looked at each other because not only had the trail stopped but the plane had disappeared.Now had I been by myself I would have shrugged it off and thought I was seeing things but he saw it too.One second the plane was there in a clear blue sky with its trail behind it and a second later the trail stopped dead and the plane VANISHED.Im so glad the neighbour was there otherwise I would think I was losing the plot.If anyone has a logical explanation about what we saw please let me know.

[fekdemasons]

Just wanted to share this with you all.This morning I was speaking to my neighbour when I saw the first chemtrail being laid.I started to discuss chemtrails with him as I have several times before but he is skeptical.However he has just had the internet put on and has promised to investigate himself.As we were talking I pointed out another plane spraying and then another.I was watching a trail when it suddenly stopped.My neighbour and I looked at each other because not only had the trail stopped but the plane had disappeared.Now had I been by myself I would have shrugged it off and thought I was seeing things but he saw it too.One second the plane was there in a clear blue sky with its trail behind it and a second later the trail stopped dead and the plane VANISHED.Im so glad the neighbour was there otherwise I would think I was losing the plot.If anyone has a logical explanation about what we saw please let me know.

Hi Willy's Girl,

I can't answer but only specualte , The military have tech that is so advanced that only sections of the upper echelon even know it exists. That said it could be ET in origin (malevolent or benevolent who knows)

I've filmed and photographed wierd stuff. You've been on the UCO thread yourself.

If you look at UFO reports today James C has posted a chemtrail UFO vid.

Looks like my footage except my quality doesn't survive the upload.

Don't worry yourself ,

Btw it would not be uncommon for your neighbour to turn round and deny it completely if you raise it in public. (be carefull ) People are not ready to hear or believe this stuff third party. It goes against every belief system thay have.

Look after yourself

[willys girl]

Hi Fekdamasons,

As always thank you for replying.It was odd seeing a plane vanish like that and I understand what you are saying about people denying things in public.To be honest I have to say that overall I have had a great response from everyone I have spoken to.My neighbour is the only one who has had difficulty getting his head around the idea of chemtrails.He has access to the web now so we will see soon enough.

Slightly off the subject ive been learning about stars and planets lately and have been really keen to get out at night with my scope to do some star gazing.Only one problem most nights I can't see a bloody thing.In the last 3 weeks I think we have had 2 clear nights to observe the stars.There seems to be a constant blanket of cloud morning,noon and night over London and when we have got a nice blue sky its not long before you see chemtrails everywhere.

Once again thanks for replying Fek I hope all is well with you.

[chaste]

Just wanted to share this with you all.This morning I was speaking to my neighbour when I saw the first chemtrail being laid.I started to discuss chemtrails with him as I have several times before but he is skeptical.However he has just had the internet put on and has promised to investigate himself.As we were talking I pointed out another plane spraying and then another.I was watching a trail when it suddenly stopped.My neighbour and I looked at each other because not only had the trail stopped but the plane had disappeared.Now had I been by myself I would have shrugged it off and thought I was seeing things but he saw it too.One second the plane was there in a clear blue sky with its trail behind it and a second later the trail stopped dead and the plane VANISHED.Im so glad the neighbour was there otherwise I would think I was losing the plot.If anyone has a logical explanation about what we saw please let me know.



Sorry, don't know the answer but I've been thinking about it a lot because I saw (or not) the same sort of thing - the first time it was a plane doing a u-turn and then seemingly disappearing. Then, another time, there was a plane above that I couldn't see any more after I blinked, although I could hear it. Also, sometimes I can see trails being formed but not the craft making them (even though I've been able to see another plane flying even higher, at the same time, so they're not just too far away). The only things I've been able to come up with are that the sky is a lot hazier than it seems, even when the sky is blue, or that some planes are made from a different material or have different paint (the disappearing ones seemed more shimmery), but this is more clutching at straws to not seem mental.

[lw71]

Just wanted to share this with you all.This morning I was speaking to my neighbour when I saw the first chemtrail being laid.I started to discuss chemtrails with him as I have several times before but he is skeptical.However he has just had the internet put on and has promised to investigate himself.As we were talking I pointed out another plane spraying and then another.I was watching a trail when it suddenly stopped.My neighbour and I looked at each other because not only had the trail stopped but the plane had disappeared.Now had I been by myself I would have shrugged it off and thought I was seeing things but he saw it too.One second the plane was there in a clear blue sky with its trail behind it and a second later the trail stopped dead and the plane VANISHED.Im so glad the neighbour was there otherwise I would think I was losing the plot.If anyone has a logical explanation about what we saw please let me know.

Experienced the same myself a few times. Here's an explanation...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83710

....maybe not the 'logical' one you asked for though ! :)

[willys girl]

Thanks lw71 I will have to read that a few more times to get my head around it.

[thelearner]

Tuesday in Essex at about 8.30am.

It started off with just a one streak trail, nothing spectacular:
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1608/1001590g.th.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/1001590g.jpg/)

As you can see a bird to the right of the picture, there is also an object in the bottom left just above trail that was not a bird.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9169/1001593.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/1001593.jpg/)

As i scanned the camera to my right i noticed a cloud formation that looked a bit like to smoke circles. The trail can still be seen in bottom left.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/359/1001594.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/1001594.jpg/)

Next i noticed a light trail that seemed to be coming from the very first "smoke circle cloud formation".
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6239/1001596b.th.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/1001596b.jpg/)

I then found the "gleaming" object that was making the "new" trail.
It was a gleaming white dot!
Seen in the photo just above the clouds, very small, to the centre / left
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5457/1001595d.th.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/1001595d.jpg/)

There is now another trail being laid just above the main one , again it seems to be a gleaming white dot, heading towards a dark object, also look above the gap in the 2nd trail in between the dark object and where the trail stops, there are two other dark objects that have appeared?
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6977/1001597.th.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/i/1001597.jpg/)

The dark object have now gone completely:confused: the white dot and 2 trails are still there.
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6800/1001598e.th.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/1001598e.jpg/)

Any ideas people?,

[freereality]

I haven't went through all 100 pages of this thread, but one thing about chemtrails doesn't make sense to me.

Why on Earth would people spraying chemtrails do it during mid day? Isin't that like walking around with your dick out? Wouldn't it be a lot easier on their agenda to spray these things at night and let them dissipate by day-break? This way no one would even have evidence that chemtrails exist. Can anyone shed some scientific light with evidence to back it up why they would spray chemtrails during the day instead of at night?

Thank you.

[fekdemasons]

I haven't went through all 100 pages of this thread, but one thing about chemtrails doesn't make sense to me.

Why on Earth would people spraying chemtrails do it during mid day? Isin't that like walking around with your dick out? Wouldn't it be a lot easier on their agenda to spray these things at night and let them dissipate by day-break? This way no one would even have evidence that chemtrails exist. Can anyone shed some scientific light with evidence to back it up why they would spray chemtrails during the day instead of at night?

Thank you.


Why not do it in broad daylight in full view of the sheep who are too busy texting their mates about the X factor and eating pret a manger coronary shit for their lunch.

Nothing to see here. Btw , my theories are :-

Chemicals may induce ,apathy , lack of energy , docility. FLouride , Bromine ,aspartame. THey all make you disinterested.

Give me a distractrion from a 28 inch box (subliminal poisoning) and some mind altering chemicals in my food , then spray me to make sure.

Hey presto , I get buttfucked by the Banksters , I bail them out with my tax money , I have my council tax increased whilst services are cut , Old peoples disibilaty allowance is being cut , means testing , my pension has been stolen , Myself and my children will be paying more tax for eternity to fund the lavish lifestyles of blatant criminals. Hundreds of serviceman are dieying in afghanistan so that our crooked government can control the opium trade (don't tell you that on MSM) , THe war criminals Blair and Bush are riding off into the sunset , Paedophiles get leniant sentences , drug companies are raking in massive profits after creating a media induced panick in the general populace to get a vaccine that is untested but has been stockpiled for 2 years ???


I could go on for another thousand or so reasons but ...... nah I've got a subway to eat and twitter about it to hundreds of people who's lives are also dull as fuck.

Oh look up there , lovely straight line clouds .... nothing to see here folks

[pureheart]

I haven't went through all 100 pages of this thread, but one thing about chemtrails doesn't make sense to me.

Why on Earth would people spraying chemtrails do it during mid day? Isin't that like walking around with your dick out? Wouldn't it be a lot easier on their agenda to spray these things at night and let them dissipate by day-break?



Actually a lot of the trails appear really early in the morning. ;)

[freereality]

Still doesn't explain why they would do it in plain view.

[beldazar]

Still doesn't explain why they would do it in plain view.

Take it from me, people just don't see them.

When we have had a severe spraying where I live, I have pointed it out to people and they laugh or just give me a weird look. It's insane! :eek:

They just can't see them! Try it yourself :)

[anthony1965]

Take it from me, people just don't see them.

When we have had a severe spraying where I live, I have pointed it out to people and they laugh or just give me a weird look. It's insane! :eek:

They just can't see them! Try it yourself :)

I didn't notice the trails at all until I read about them, looked up and was horrified! I was completely shocked at the grid patterns that I was waking up to every day. ** My wife had registered them, but she had seen them in Argentina a few years before and gave them no thought. South America seems to be a preferred playground for the bad guys.

I also had the same exaggerrated reactions when I pointed them out to people.

Nowadays, this morning for example, the trails don't stick everywhere. There are patches of sky with no trails and others with partial trails. Isn't that worthy of head scratching and a few questions...

Not for most people (pretty much everyone).

The reason for the patchy trails is that many, many TV towers and mobile phone masts have been gifted in the local region. Another one gifted in the dark last night! Just a few hundred yards along from a tower that I gifted a year ago they recently built a new one. I saw it. And gifted it! The new tower has a generator that was humming like mad. Really loud!

[fekdemasons]

They are hard at it this morning. And I might add , flying directly over Heathrow at 20,000 feet plus from southeast vectoring northwest.

So these planes have clearance to fly directly over the worlds busiest airport and through stacking patterns. For what purpose ?

[willys girl]

While bringing the children to school this morning I was shocked when I looked up.They must of started early this morning because by 9.00am there was a fine white haze spread out from the trails.There were about another 9 thick trails that had just been sprayed across as far as the eye could see.While observing this there were 4 more planes spraying and the noticeable thing was I watched planes fly below and above the chemtrails leaving normal contrails.I tried to take a photo of the planes with contrails above and below the chemtrails but my mobile camera is not good enough.Its so frustrating to stand and watch.:mad:

[deesee]

Question, guys.

Are those who perpetrate and implement chemrails affected by them like we, their intended targets, are?

If not, why not?

[fekdemasons]

Question, guys.

Are those who perpetrate and implement chemrails affected by them like we, their intended targets, are?

If not, why not?


Weather manipulation ...

[hagbard_celine]

I haven't went through all 100 pages of this thread, but one thing about chemtrails doesn't make sense to me.

Why on Earth would people spraying chemtrails do it during mid day? Isin't that like walking around with your dick out? Wouldn't it be a lot easier on their agenda to spray these things at night and let them dissipate by day-break? This way no one would even have evidence that chemtrails exist. Can anyone shed some scientific light with evidence to back it up why they would spray chemtrails during the day instead of at night?

Thank you.

Good question.:cool:

However I wouldn't reject Chemtrails on that basis. There may be some reason why they need to be done in daylight.

I've seen them at all times of the day. On a clear night with a full moon they're visible.

[eternal wheel]

airliners also fly at night. ;)

[hagbard_celine]

Still doesn't explain why they would do it in plain view.

The words "plain view" gave me a brainwave. Hiding things in plain sight seems to be a recurring aspect of their methods which seems in line with their personality. Why do the Illuminati hide things in plain sight? It's ritualistic and also an expression of contempt for the "Goyim". They love to tease us! "Hey, we're running the show, we telling you, but you can't see it!" It's the childish "I know something you don't know" mentality.

[hagbard_celine]

airliners also fly at night. ;)

I know. Obviously 'Trail planes do too.

[fekdemasons]

airliners also fly at night. ;)


No , that be witchcraft that be... What kinda talk is that ??

Giant birds in the sky , at nighty time ... Bahhhhh

:p:p

[eternal wheel]

:D:D:p

[rockinrobinsuk]

Right let's stop the bitching ew. Can you please watch and explain this video as you claim to have knowledge on contrails etc.
Thanking you in advance.;)
http://www.truvisiontube.com/media/1208/Contrails_vs_Chemtrails.._Explained_.._June_09_Lon don_UK/

[john connor]

I haven't went through all 100 pages of this thread, but one thing about chemtrails doesn't make sense to me.

Why on Earth would people spraying chemtrails do it during mid day? Isin't that like walking around with your dick out? Wouldn't it be a lot easier on their agenda to spray these things at night and let them dissipate by day-break? This way no one would even have evidence that chemtrails exist. Can anyone shed some scientific light with evidence to back it up why they would spray chemtrails during the day instead of at night?

Thank you.

I dont know where you live but next time they spray in the day look at the f***** zombies walking the streets..Ipods mobile phones permanently to ear..they NEVER look up and even if they did they are too asleep to think..what gets me about this subject is that deniers never offer an explanation to the f****** Orbs / metallic spheres that are usually whizzing around too...got pictures of these spraying too...I cant believe people still debate this..the truth is 'hidden' in plain site out in the open

[eternal wheel]

Right let's stop the bitching ew. Can you please watch and explain this video as you claim to have knowledge on contrails etc.
Thanking you in advance.;)
http://www.truvisiontube.com/media/1208/Contrails_vs_Chemtrails.._Explained_.._June_09_Lon don_UK/

sorry, it says i have to download a plugin to play it, and i'm on a borrowed pc til i get a new one in the new year, so it's not mine to download things onto.
are there links to other places with the same clip, or can you/someone make it play on media player/realplayer?
ta. ;)

[martg]

I dont know where you live but next time they spray in the day look at the f***** zombies walking the streets..Ipods mobile phones permanently to ear..they NEVER look up and even if they did they are too asleep to think..what gets me about this subject is that deniers never offer an explanation to the f****** Orbs / metallic spheres that are usually whizzing around too...got pictures of these spraying too...I cant believe people still debate this..the truth is 'hidden' in plain site out in the open

very true, a few times I've tried talking about chemtrails to both family and strangers and they all just get that faraway look in their eyes, if I could read minds i'm sure they would all be thinking -loonie :rolleyes:

I have heard that if you ask a copper about them they have instruction to walk away, is this true? has anyone tried it? I haven't got the gumption myself, I try and avoid coppers.

[john connor]

very true, a few times I've tried talking about chemtrails to both family and strangers and they all just get that faraway look in their eyes, if I could read minds i'm sure they would all be thinking -loonie :rolleyes:

I have heard that if you ask a copper about them they have instruction to walk away, is this true? has anyone tried it? I haven't got the gumption myself, I try and avoid coppers.

I never did ask a cop....was bloody tempted tho...I woke a few up..best was my nephew...pointed out the chems to him a few times then one saturday he came over to watch the footy and we saw a couple of sphere's whizzing around...his face was a picture and I was grinning ear to ear like " yeah now you've seen them too"

[freereality]

very true, a few times I've tried talking about chemtrails to both family and strangers and they all just get that faraway look in their eyes, if I could read minds i'm sure they would all be thinking -loonie :rolleyes:

I have heard that if you ask a copper about them they have instruction to walk away, is this true? has anyone tried it? I haven't got the gumption myself, I try and avoid coppers.

I'm not calling anyone a loonie, all i'm calling for rational reasoning. I'm open to the idea of chemtrails, but not the reasoning of spraying them during the daytime when billions of people can see the sky. Also no one provides any scientific evidence in this thread. So i'll provide some below after doing some reasearch i've conducted.


I dont know where you live but next time they spray in the day look at the f***** zombies walking the streets..Ipods mobile phones permanently to ear..they NEVER look up and even if they did they are too asleep to think..what gets me about this subject is that deniers never offer an explanation to the f****** Orbs / metallic spheres that are usually whizzing around too...got pictures of these spraying too...I cant believe people still debate this..the truth is 'hidden' in plain site out in the open

You are mad if you are suggesting people just don't look up in the sky anymore. Says who? You? You speak for the entire populace of earth now? It's debatable because no one has provided any scientific evidence to back up these claims of why they are sprayed mid day. Only wild speculative theories with no evidece to back them up and the reasoning that everyone other than you are zombies. Superiority complex much?

Here's some actual science (you know that stuff that backs up theories and not imaginitive fairy tales) that might provide an explaination of the phenomena.

1) "Chemtrails" are just normal condensation trails. Photos showing them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Contrailsoverfield.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Contrails.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Highflyingplanec.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:X-Chem-Contrails.jpg

These are the same exact trails that are in every so called chemtrail evidence photo i've ever seen.

2) The so-called chemtrail haze is just virga.

3) Criss-cross patterns, asterisks, As, Vs, Xs in the sky form because planes follow radio beacons.

4) Contrail persistence is a function of air relative humidity.

5) On/off trails could occur because the plane flies through pockets of dryer air, or they are caused by vertical wind shear and result in up & down motion. Downward motion tends to dry the air (due to dry-adiabatic* heating and no change in moisture content), while upward motion tends to make it more humid (same reason, in reverse). Even on a fairly small scale, if the air is near saturation, this can lead to the sort of on/off trails you're describing.


6) There is the storage problem too, These planes can only physicaly 'spray' so much chemical with leaving traces because they can only hold so much. If you wish to discuss the math I'm open to it.

7) Aluminum oxide emission is caused by SRMs.

8) Barium compounds emission is caused by mining and refining industrial processes.

This is science explaining what people see. Not name calling. Not making accusations without any evidence (which is all you have at this point). And not getting off topic with orb talk.

I've taken your argument into account, and scientific analysis into account, and I'm going with scientific analysis over your conspiracy sheeple theory (unless someone can proove otherwise)

[martg]

I never did ask a cop....was bloody tempted tho...I woke a few up..best was my nephew...pointed out the chems to him a few times then one saturday he came over to watch the footy and we saw a couple of sphere's whizzing around...his face was a picture and I was grinning ear to ear like " yeah now you've seen them too"

lol, I'd love to see the look on some peoples faces if that happened to them
I'm glad you managed to wake up some cops, them and the armed forces are the most important people to wake up, we need them on side

[john connor]

lol, I'd love to see the look on some peoples faces if that happened to them
I'm glad you managed to wake up some cops, them and the armed forces are the most important people to wake up, we need them on side

Best thing was..my nephew then told his best friend...I also gave him a copy of "dont talk about the weather" great chem docu made by a guy in your neck of the woods...anyway few months later this guy see's the sphere's too..It made my day hearing that
:D

[john connor]

I'm not calling anyone a loonie, all i'm calling for rational reasoning. I'm open to the idea of chemtrails, but not the reasoning of spraying them during the daytime when billions of people can see the sky. Also no one provides any scientific evidence in this thread. So i'll provide some below after doing some reasearch i've conducted.




You are mad if you are suggesting people just don't look up in the sky anymore. Says who? You? You speak for the entire populace of earth now? It's debatable because no one has provided any scientific evidence to back up these claims of why they are sprayed mid day. Only wild speculative theories with no evidece to back them up and the reasoning that everyone other than you are zombies. Superiority complex much?

Here's some actual science (you know that stuff that backs up theories and not imaginitive fairy tales) that might provide an explaination of the phenomena.

1) "Chemtrails" are just normal condensation trails. Photos showing them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Contrailsoverfield.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Contrails.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Highflyingplanec.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:X-Chem-Contrails.jpg

These are the same exact trails that are in every so called chemtrail evidence photo i've ever seen.

2) The so-called chemtrail haze is just virga.

3) Criss-cross patterns, asterisks, As, Vs, Xs in the sky form because planes follow radio beacons.

4) Contrail persistence is a function of air relative humidity.

5) On/off trails could occur because the plane flies through pockets of dryer air, or they are caused by vertical wind shear and result in up & down motion. Downward motion tends to dry the air (due to dry-adiabatic* heating and no change in moisture content), while upward motion tends to make it more humid (same reason, in reverse). Even on a fairly small scale, if the air is near saturation, this can lead to the sort of on/off trails you're describing.


6) There is the storage problem too, These planes can only physicaly 'spray' so much chemical with leaving traces because they can only hold so much. If you wish to discuss the math I'm open to it.

7) Aluminum oxide emission is caused by SRMs.

8) Barium compounds emission is caused by mining and refining industrial processes.

This is science explaining what people see. Not name calling. Not making accusations without any evidence (which is all you have at this point). And not getting off topic with orb talk.

I've taken your argument into account, and scientific analysis into account, and I'm going with scientific analysis over your conspiracy sheeple theory (unless someone can proove otherwise)

Im mad???? er try f***** observant.....called walking to work and back every day...walking around a busy city centre (leicester) in my lunch hour and watching people...not up...ive already seen the f***** lines and X's...Im watching the peeps...with their f***** Ipods...texting on their phones not looking where they are walking let alone looking up...I watch the people...do you?...I have long since stopped debating with deniers...its like 9/11...'we' all know what happened..move on...look at whats coming not whats happened..if you cant accept whats happening over your head well then I truely hope you wake up...sooner rather than later

[martg]

freereality, you have systematically dismissed any evidence presented, so what possible evidence would you accept?
if one of the pilots started to speak out, would you dismiss that too?

I see both contrails and chemtrails almost every day, I know for a fact that both the UK and US governments have already used biological agents against their own citizens. so good luck trying to convince everyone this is perfectly innocent.

[freereality]

Im mad???? er try f***** observant.....called walking to work and back every day...walking around a busy city centre (leicester) in my lunch hour and watching people...not up...ive already seen the f***** lines and X's...Im watching the peeps...with their f***** Ipods...texting on their phones not looking where they are walking let alone looking up...I watch the people...do you?...I have long since stopped debating with deniers...its like 9/11...'we' all know what happened..move on...look at whats coming not whats happened..if you cant accept whats happening over your head well then I truely hope you wake up...sooner rather than later

First off, I take my conspiracies one at a time. In my attempt to scientifically explain chem trails you have linked me to a 9/11 denier, and someone who would discount orbs as fake. A 'denier' by your definition is someone who doesn't believe every conspiracy in the world. There's no waking up to do when i've provided scientific evidence supporting my claim and you have provided none. Perhaps you need to wake up and do your own scientific investigations sometimes instead of believing everything everyone has told you?

And please, if you are going to present a knowledgable argument you can 1. stop swearing up a storm, as it makes you sound like a child, and 2. Debate only the topic at hand.

(FYI I do believe 9/11 was planned in advance by someone judging by the overwhelming scientific (there's that word again) evidence, and accept many testimonies about extraterrestrials and their craft to be true by people who had security civilian clearances and positions in the US government regaurding the fact namely becauase there's been so many.)


freereality, you have systematically dismissed any evidence presented, so what possible evidence would you accept?
if one of the pilots started to speak out, would you dismiss that too?

I see both contrails and chemtrails almost every day, I know for a fact that both the UK and US governments have already used biological agents against their own citizens. so good luck trying to convince everyone this is perfectly innocent.

If more than 1 pilot spoke out that they were involved and had no reason to lie then of course I would believe it (after researching their background of course). I also agree that yes, it's a fact governments have tested things on their people in the past. But does that mean the contrails you see are chemtrails and are activly poisioning people with them? Not in my opinion due to the research i've presented.

[john connor]

First off, I take my conspiracies one at a time. In my attempt to scientifically explain chem trails you have linked me to a 9/11 denier, and someone who would discount orbs as fake. A 'denier' by your definition is someone who doesn't believe every conspiracy in the world. There's no waking up to do when i've provided scientific evidence supporting my claim and you have provided none. Perhaps you need to wake up and do your own scientific investigations sometimes instead of believing everything everyone has told you?

And please, if you are going to present a knowledgable argument you can 1. stop swearing up a storm, as it makes you sound like a child, and 2. Debate only the topic at hand.

(FYI I do believe 9/11 was planned in advance by someone judging by the overwhelming scientific (there's that word again) evidence, and accept many testimonies about extraterrestrials and their craft to be true by people who had security civilian clearances and positions in the US government regaurding the fact namely becauase there's been so many.)




If more than 1 pilot spoke out that they were involved and had no reason to lie then of course I would believe it (after researching their background of course). I also agree that yes, it's a fact governments have tested things on their people in the past. But does that mean the contrails you see are chemtrails and are activly poisioning people with them? Not in my opinion due to the research i've presented.

That is one word I really dislike....I prefer evidence I can see with my own eyes..

[eternal wheel]

I prefer evidence I can see with my own eyes..

what? like vapour trails?

[lw71]

what? like vapour trails?

Yes, those strange ones that appear when half of heathrow seems to have re-routed its air traffic to start making multiple direction, low level fly-bys of a small coastal town. Oh, sorry we must have all been mistaken in thinking something might be amiss, just a mistake - a bit like this pilots apparent inability to play it straight...?

http://i.imagehost.org/0032/NC180TRAIL_Feb05.jpg (http://i.imagehost.org/view/0032/NC180TRAIL_Feb05)

[eternal wheel]

have a look here,
Aileron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it turns out that planes have a built in ability to turn whilst in mid-air!!!:eek:


maybe that pilot forgot his sarnies.

[lw71]

have a look here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileron

it turns out that planes have a built in ability to turn whilst in mid-air!!!:eek:


maybe that pilot forgot his sarnies.

Really !?!???!!!

I thought they only went in a straight line after being launched from the giant catapult at the airport. :confused:

[marpat]

I dont know where you live but next time they spray in the day look at the f***** zombies walking the streets..Ipods mobile phones permanently to ear..they NEVER look up and even if they did they are too asleep to think..what gets me about this subject is that deniers never offer an explanation to the f****** Orbs / metallic spheres that are usually whizzing around too...got pictures of these spraying too...I cant believe people still debate this..the truth is 'hidden' in plain site out in the open

So are you claiming that if there are no trails in the sky that people will not be on phones or using ipods?

If these orbs are real objects then how do you know if they are metallic? do you assume that just because they seem reflective?

[marpat]

Question, guys.

Are those who perpetrate and implement chemrails affected by them like we, their intended targets, are?

If not, why not?

I have asked that question a hundred times in here and some have even tried to claim that the elite have access to stuff that prevents them suffering from the effects, in effect creating a conspiracy to try and back up another one. When one conspiracy is created to explain another then you know you are going to get no real facts.

[marpat]

Yes, those strange ones that appear when half of heathrow seems to have re-routed its air traffic to start making multiple direction, low level fly-bys of a small coastal town. Oh, sorry we must have all been mistaken in thinking something might be amiss, just a mistake - a bit like this pilots apparent inability to play it straight...?

http://i.imagehost.org/0032/NC180TRAIL_Feb05.jpg (http://i.imagehost.org/view/0032/NC180TRAIL_Feb05)

Looks like a normal contrail, you can see it dispersing at the far side.

[marpat]

Here is a picture from WWII showing that persisten contrails do exist.

http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af56/93marpat/3017739595_80bf05cfc4.jpg?t=1260636405

[fekdemasons]

Here is a picture from WWII showing that persisten contrails do exist.

http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af56/93marpat/3017739595_80bf05cfc4.jpg?t=1260636405

And just look what those dastardly Germans were up to in WW1 :-


" Nien , nien heir marpat " Stoppenzy das evil kuntzen chemstaag !!!!"

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5018/ww1chentrail.th.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/ww1chentrail.jpg/)

[marpat]

And just look what those dastardly Germans were up to in WW1 :-


" Nien , nien heir marpat " Stoppenzy das evil kuntzen chemstaag !!!!"

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5018/ww1chentrail.th.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/ww1chentrail.jpg/)

You might be suprised to find that engines create fumes. The major difference between a WWI biplane and a WWII heavy bomber is one of flying at much higher altitude with more powerful engines, creating different effects.

[fekdemasons]

You might be suprised to find that engines create fumes. The major difference between a WWI biplane and a WWII heavy bomber is one of flying at much higher altitude with more powerful engines, creating different effects.



It was a joke !

Lord give me strength :eek:

[marpat]

It was a joke !

Lord give me strength :eek:

Sorry, I didn't know you had a sense of humour :D

[john connor]

what? like vapour trails?

Not going to waste time and energy debating with you and certain others on this subject...just one Q to you.....do you believe in the NWO / elite whatever you want to agree to call them ..yes or no?

[marpat]

Not going to waste time and energy debating with you and certain others on this subject...just one Q to you.....do you believe in the NWO / elite whatever you want to agree to call them ..yes or no?

Is that belief a requirement for belief in chemtrails?

[fekdemasons]

Sorry, I didn't know you had a sense of humour :D



My fault for not putting the appropriate face in the post. :o

Allas , we must explain everything we say with an emoticon these days :(

[marpat]

My fault for not putting the appropriate face in the post. :o

Allas , we must explain everything we say with an emoticon these days :(

Really? :confused:

[eternal wheel]

Not going to waste time and energy debating with you and certain others on this subject...just one Q to you.....do you believe in the NWO / elite whatever you want to agree to call them ..yes or no?

yes.


i also believe in chemtrails.


but vapour trails arn't chemtrails, and most seem not to know the difference.

[john connor]

yes.


i also believe in chemtrails.


but vapour trails arn't chemtrails, and most seem not to know the difference.

Well thats good to hear...The reasoning behind that Q was usually people argue against Chemtrails on the grounds that our Gov's wouldnt do that to us..I can see the difference between chemtrails and contrails...I have spent 1000's of hours watching them not only in the UK but in the Bay Area in the States I have amassed 100's of photo's and have seen Orbs' / spheres on at least 30 occasions now I have photo's of them spraying at the same time as planes.

[eternal wheel]

Well thats good to hear...The reasoning behind that Q was usually people argue against Chemtrails on the grounds that our Gov's wouldnt do that to us..I can see the difference between chemtrails and contrails...I have spent 1000's of hours watching them not only in the UK but in the Bay Area in the States I have amassed 100's of photo's and have seen Orbs' / spheres on at least 30 occasions now I have photo's of them spraying at the same time as planes.

what do you perceive the difference to be?
posted pics of what you're describing would be cool.

[anthony1965]

I have asked that question a hundred times in here and some have even tried to claim that the elite have access to stuff that prevents them suffering from the effects, in effect creating a conspiracy to try and back up another one. When one conspiracy is created to explain another then you know you are going to get no real facts.

Our environment has been and continues to be polluted by all number of toxic poisons, which are either breathed in, drunk, eaten, absorobed through the skin, etc. by rich and poor alike.

Some examples: Above ground nuclear tests in the 1940's and 50's, Car exhausts (leaded, unleaded, whatever), asbestos, EMF, depleted uranium used in missiles across the globe and chemtrails...

There are many, many examples of toxic pollution.

So why do "the elite" allow this to happen?

Because most of the so-called elite haven't got a fucking clue what is really going on. There are very few people in the pyramid who are clear about the negative health effects of much of corporate activity. Most of them probably believe the bullshit. Likke the many, many soldiers who were victims of nuclear testing, agent orange, "gulf war syndrome", etc.

But anyone with a decent salary is going to get tip top health care.

Anyone who is anywhere near the top of the pyramid is going to know that corporate medicine as prescribed to the masses is not about curing people but making profits.

Therefore the people at the top are either using alternative health care, coupled with good diet. And they are probably also receiving treatments that are not available to the masses (unless you happen to be a crazy conspiracy theorist who does not accept the word of the FDA or BMA as gospel).

Remember the war criminal Tony Blair refusing to say whether or not his son had received a vaccination?

When they threw Wilhelm Reich in jail for claiming to have a cure for cancer do you think the elite didn't follow up on his work? They confiscated and destroyed it all, before he died in prison.

The same applies to many other brave and brilliant people who have dared to offer genuine cures to illness. Cures that would harm the profit margins of big companies and are therefore not allowed to be made available on a wide scale.

[john connor]

what do you perceive the difference to be?
posted pics of what you're describing would be cool.

Look Im not an IST of any kind..never professed to be an expert..all I know is whatever they are doing is not normal...in fact when I think Im going crazy re the whole NWO..(I have had to seriously qustion every belief I have ever held) I think about these bloody chems and sphere's and I KNOW there is something very wrong and Im not losing my mind..

here are a few photo's for you...this was a view from my office window where I would spend hours taking photo's of them, even my co workers knew this was not normal and started to 'wake up' to the bigger picture

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3109/999ef.jpg

everything in these photo's started off as a thin line and expanded and lasted for hours..I watched
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4093/p1000994gk6.jpg

Be my guest and zoom in on this photo...where are the planes? there are some strange objects in this photo

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9205/12septcorbs.jpg

This is a photo my wife took from our old attic window..sphere spraying

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/7605/orbsp1a.jpg

This photo has 2 orbs/spheres on top of each other..taken from our back garden in the UK

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1504/orbsv.jpg

This photo is of a sphere / orb (whatever) taken in the Bay area last Dec, my wife, myself, her son and his G/F all watched this for a good 10 mins and yes there had been heavy spraying that day

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/693/sf24109closeupop8.jpg

I have 100's of photo's ...I dont walk around texting constantly or have an Ipod in my ears..I pay attention..and that wasnt aimed at you EW

[eternal wheel]

the first 3 pics, i'm seeing lingering, spreading vapour trails.
not a good thing in itself, but not 'chemtrailing'...
you ask where the planes are... at the pointy ends of the trails. you don't see the sky full of civil planes on days with no trails, but they're still up there.....
your 'sphere spraying' pic. the way the trails are illuminated by the sunlight suggests the sun in this pic is low and to the left, and is lighting up the underside of the planes fuselage, foreshortened in the pic because of the location of the plane in relation to the photographer.
your orb pics, i'm not commenting on, i have very little knowledge on that subject, it's not something i've studied beyond foo fighters yet.

[beldazar]

Yeah magic fu*king vapour trails that stick in the air :rolleyes:

Case closed.

[eternal wheel]

Yeah magic fu*king vapour trails that stick in the air :rolleyes:

Case closed.

hey, if the FACTS don't match your paranoia, invoke magic.
good position to take.

the FACT is that in certain weather conditions, vapour trails linger and spread.
if your paranoid, closed mind can't deal with that FACT then i feel truly sorry for you.

[beldazar]

Don't feel sorry for me mate, I think you are an idiot

[eternal wheel]

hey, an actual thought process, congratulations!!! :p

[beldazar]

hey, an actual thought process, congratulations!!! :p

Thankyou :)

[john connor]

the first 3 pics, i'm seeing lingering, spreading vapour trails.
not a good thing in itself, but not 'chemtrailing'...
you ask where the planes are... at the pointy ends of the trails. you don't see the sky full of civil planes on days with no trails, but they're still up there.....
your 'sphere spraying' pic. the way the trails are illuminated by the sunlight suggests the sun in this pic is low and to the left, and is lighting up the underside of the planes fuselage, foreshortened in the pic because of the location of the plane in relation to the photographer.
your orb pics, i'm not commenting on, i have very little knowledge on that subject, it's not something i've studied beyond foo fighters yet.

Ok I mean I was only actually their watching them...we saw these bloody spheres spraying with our own eyes and plenty of people have witnessed lines without planes..but hey each to their own...I know what I saw and I know what I believe

[johntitor]

Don't feel sorry for me mate, I think you are an idiot

Nice... .. .!

[anthony1965]

hey, if the FACTS don't match your paranoia, invoke magic.
good position to take.

the FACT is that in certain weather conditions, vapour trails linger and spread.
if your paranoid, closed mind can't deal with that FACT then i feel truly sorry for you.

Weather conditions. No other factors?

Haven't we discussed this before?

Didn't you hint at a ground based component to the equation?

You also accept that there are chemtrails. There are different chemical components that could be (and have been used), including barium, aluminium, sulphur.

There were large scale experiments of adding barium to the upper atmosphere back in the 50's and 60's.

Ionospheric heating too plays its role. And it is also possible to create an artificial ionosphere at lower heights than the naturally occurring one.

Do you accept that all of these factors (and more) can play a role in whether aircraft trails stick?

** The last few days have been very cold here in southern Germany. There were numerous snow flurries yesterday and the day before, but in the patches of blue that came in between I could see zero trails sticking.

This morning is bitterly cold. It was a clear night. No trails formed in the night. This morning there are blue skies and again zero trails. Some planes with no trails whatsoever and some with very short trails. Nothing is sticking so far.

I would expect it to continue this way... Until see evidence of artificial clouds being generated. In which case I would also expect to see some trails start to stick.

Have you researched artificial cloud generation? I posted some links a while back as Anthony1965 which I reposted again in a recent post.

Back to the weather link to trails sticking. I have been observing the trails for 3 years now and I have seen nothing to convince me that there are more trails in winter or in wet periods. For example, there was a bizarrely dry April, I think in 2007, where it was warm and dry for the entire month. Very, very unusual. There was lots of fake cloud generation and chemtrailing for the whole month. Your vapour trail / weather link does not stand up.

[anthony1965]

the first 3 pics, i'm seeing lingering, spreading vapour trails.
not a good thing in itself, but not 'chemtrailing'...
you ask where the planes are... at the pointy ends of the trails. you don't see the sky full of civil planes on days with no trails, but they're still up there.....
your 'sphere spraying' pic. the way the trails are illuminated by the sunlight suggests the sun in this pic is low and to the left, and is lighting up the underside of the planes fuselage, foreshortened in the pic because of the location of the plane in relation to the photographer.
your orb pics, i'm not commenting on, i have very little knowledge on that subject, it's not something i've studied beyond foo fighters yet.

And what conclusions did you come to regarding foo fighters?

[eternal wheel]

And what conclusions did you come to regarding foo fighters?
those pesky nazi's stumbled across sumat interesting.....;)

[eternal wheel]

Do you accept that all of these factors (and more) can play a role in whether aircraft trails stick?


yes.

but to say things like 'nottingham/wherever is under attack today' (not you) and rant on about an organised global 24/7 spraying (not you again) weakens the position of people who understand that something is going on up there, and want to investigate it properly.

** The last few days have been very cold here in southern Germany. There were numerous snow flurries yesterday and the day before, but in the patches of blue that came in between I could see zero trails sticking.

This morning is bitterly cold. It was a clear night. No trails formed in the night. This morning there are blue skies and again zero trails. Some planes with no trails whatsoever and some with very short trails. Nothing is sticking so far.

I would expect it to continue this way... Until see evidence of artificial clouds being generated. In which case I would also expect to see some trails start to stick.

Have you researched artificial cloud generation? I posted some links a while back as Anthony1965 which I reposted again in a recent post.

Back to the weather link to trails sticking. I have been observing the trails for 3 years now and I have seen nothing to convince me that there are more trails in winter or in wet periods. For example, there was a bizarrely dry April, I think in 2007, where it was warm and dry for the entire month. Very, very unusual. There was lots of fake cloud generation and chemtrailing for the whole month. Your vapour trail / weather link does not stand up.
yes, i've looked at artificial cloud generation. it undoubtedly goes on.
as i've posted before, you have to remember that the air five miles up is different to that at ground level. cold, dry air will form 'tadpoles' not lingering trails. your snow flurries are caused by low-level moist clouds, the air above them can be drier. the sticking trails are an effect of, not a cause of high milky cirrus type cloud, which usually indicate an approaching frontal system. the sticky trails are not PTB spraying and causing the clouds to form, the clouds were coming anyway, think of the sticky trails as advanced warning that some cloudy weather may be on it's way...;)

[anthony1965]

yes.

but to say things like 'nottingham/wherever is under attack today' (not you) and rant on about an organised global 24/7 spraying (not you again) weakens the position of people who understand that something is going on up there, and want to investigate it properly.


yes, i've looked at artificial cloud generation. it undoubtedly goes on.
as i've posted before, you have to remember that the air five miles up is different to that at ground level. cold, dry air will form 'tadpoles' not lingering trails. your snow flurries are caused by low-level moist clouds, the air above them can be drier. the sticking trails are an effect of, not a cause of high milky cirrus type cloud, which usually indicate an approaching frontal system. the sticky trails are not PTB spraying and causing the clouds to form, the clouds were coming anyway, think of the sticky trails as advanced warning that some cloudy weather may be on it's way...;)

I wrote that there were no trails sticking during the snowy weather. Patches of clear blue sky between clouds.

And there have been no trails today during clear dry weather.

high milky cirrus type cloud

That sounds very like a description of the fake clouds I've been mentioning!

Over here, the weather people have a few standard descriptions for the fake shitty looking clouds, such as "high mist", or Schleierwolken which is something like "veiled clouds". This on days when anyone who is really observing the sky can see that much of the clouds were caused by aircraft trails. This is not mentioned by the weather people.

** The Met Office is part of the MOD remember. I don't know the status of the German weather authorities but I expect its similar.

Weather is a serious business! ;)

[anthony1965]

those pesky nazi's stumbled across sumat interesting.....;)

Lots of interesting things! And much of it ended up in the hands of the allies, spread between the American/British and the Russians. Both sides ended up with their own Nazi rocket scientists and much more...

I recommend Joseph Farrell's books.

[anthony1965]

The evidence for chemtrails is overwhelming.

Here is an extract from a paper on climate change:

It quotes a US government report (National Academy of Sciences 1992).

Note the comment about a slight modification to commercial jet fuel! ;)

http://www.chooseclimate.org/cleng/part2.html#p22

2.2.2 Sulphate aerosols or Dust in the stratosphere.

Aerosols or dust in the stratosphere survive much longer than in the troposphere, and are already known to cool the planet, as observed following large volcanic eruptions. In the early 1990s, dust from mount Pinatubo checked global warming, and the observed cooling effect matched well with the most recent model predictions.

It has been suggested that we could deliberately inject either sulphate aerosols or dust into the stratosphere. For a recent review refer to Dickinson (1996).The idea is first credited to the Soviet scientist Budyko (1974) and developed by many others since, mainly in the US, even reaching a US government report (National Academy of Sciences 1992). Originally rockets or rifle shells would have carried the dust, but Penner (1984) suggested that it could be done more easily by a slight modification of commercial jet fuel, and this would be very cheap. In a policy statement to an International Energy Workshop in San Diego in 1992, he presented the dust idea as a "Low-cost no regrets" option for mitigating greenhouse warming, showing that it would cost just 0.1 cents (using coal dust) to cool the planet to compensate for one tonne of Carbon as CO2 in the atmosphere, or 1 cent if SiH4 was used to make inert SiO2 dust (Penner 1993). However, he first attempts to rubbish the whole global warming scenario, and clearly doesn't intend that we carry this out unless, by some strange chance, all those scientists in IPCC happen to be right and we really do find we have a problem. Then, "for intolerable warming, low-cost planetary albedo augmentation may become the method of choice some decades in the future".

Besides being cheap, the aerosol fix is also promoted as "reversible", i.e. you can easily stop if it doesn't work, and within a few years the dust would fall out. On the other hand, most greenhouse gases have a much longer lifetime so if they are to be offset with stratospheric aerosols, we would have to rely on the ability of future generations to keep flying those planes, to keep repairing the shield or be faced with sudden warming.

Even if we are content to pass on that burden, we would also be cutting the amount of sunlight reaching plants on the surface, and presumably also changing its spectral composition. Perhaps the plants would take up less CO2? And do we really want to live under a constant haze in the sky to keep us cool? Do a few scientists and policymakers have the right to impose this on all other life on the planet?

Another obvious objection is that the injected particles might provide a very efficient surface for ozone destruction, as polar stratospheric clouds already do every spring. It seems the engineers have not yet looked at this in any detail.

http://www.chooseclimate.org/cleng/part1b.html#p1

http://www.chooseclimate.org/

[eternal wheel]

Lots of interesting things!

indeed. the wencelas mine is on my 'to do' list.

after we've 'done' chemtrails i'm going to look at taylor, young, stormer and hals and the events from april 1927 to may 1929. perhaps you'd like to join in, in the appropriate sub-forum?

[eternal wheel]

The evidence for chemtrails is overwhelming.

it's beginning to look that way :eek:;)

but i still say well over 90% of lingering, spreading trails are normal, civil aviation.

[lw71]

it's beginning to look that way :eek:;)

but i still say well over 90% of lingering, spreading trails are normal, civil aviation.

OK !!!!! :)

So can we call you Mr 10% now ?????? ;)

[eternal wheel]

no! :p

[anthony1965]

indeed. the wencelas mine is on my 'to do' list.

after we've 'done' chemtrails i'm going to look at taylor, young, stormer and hals and the events from april 1927 to may 1929. perhaps you'd like to join in, in the appropriate sub-forum?

I'd be interested to read what you have to say on these topics.

** I'm supposed to be reading up on gardening believe it or not! This year's results were mixed and there's soooooo much to learn. But I tend to follow up ten subjects at any one time, so your thread might spark off my interest again.

I don't think chemtrails will ever be "done". I'm reading "Angels Don't Play This HAARP" again and there are so many facts there to follow up.

The rabbit hole can get very big! :)

[eternal wheel]

The rabbit hole can get very big! :)
and it's surrounded by people claiming it's a fox hole.

[anthony1965]

and it's surrounded by people claiming it's a fox hole.

Most are not aware of the rabbit hole's existence.

Some are not open enough to appreciate the true scope of the rabbit hole.

This is their fate... :rolleyes:

http://monsterrebellion.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/down_the_rabbit_hole.jpg

[beldazar]

LMAO!

Very funny Anthony :D

[eternal wheel]

Most are not aware of the rabbit hole's existence.

Some are not open enough to appreciate the true scope of the rabbit hole.

This is their fate... :rolleyes:

http://monsterrebellion.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/down_the_rabbit_hole.jpg

:D:D:D

ok, i'll re-phrase....

most are not aware that there is a rabbit hole at all.
some are aware of the rabbit hole, but are mis-informed by a small but vocal minority about it's size/nature and think every hole in the ground is a rabbit hole.
others are aware of the rabbit hole, but are derided for not agreeing that every hole is a rabbit hole.
some people argue over the size of the underground warren, and what the rabbits are really up to down there.....

;)

[chaste]

hey, if the FACTS don't match your paranoia, invoke magic.
good position to take.

the FACT is that in certain weather conditions, vapour trails linger and spread.
if your paranoid, closed mind can't deal with that FACT then i feel truly sorry for you.


Have you ever looked up at what's going on in the sky and realised that this 'fact' doesn't fit with what you're observing?

[eternal wheel]

what? that some trails linger and spread? but that is what i'm observing?

[chaste]

Okay, to give one of the most recent examples - of three craft flying in close proximity, one was flying downward and another upward at extremely steep angles, whilst the third intersected their path. Only the first two left a persistent trail - is the third experiencing different weather in this same area? The first two were also similar in appearance in that they were either extremely tiny (which is quite common in those that exhibit strange behaviour here) compared to the 'normal' third plane or extremely difficult to see, for some reason.


Also, why are these different-looking craft never flying to anywhere, except into space (a week or so ago one was quide liderally going straight up) or towards the ground (often, I'm watching this sort of thing at the bus stop, where the airport is behind me and the bizarre flying is taking place ahead, approximately where the coast is)? And why do the craft that behave in a strange way always want to make crosses in the sky?


To be fair, though, in the last week or so, when I've seen the strange planes, their trail hasn't been sticking, but the weird things they do still gives me cause for concern.

[eternal wheel]

Okay, to give one of the most recent examples - of three craft flying in close proximity, one was flying downward and another upward at extremely steep angles, whilst the third intersected their path. Only the first two left a persistent trail - is the third experiencing different weather in this same area? The first two were also similar in appearance in that they were either extremely tiny (which is quite common in those that exhibit strange behaviour here) compared to the 'normal' third plane or extremely difficult to see, for some reason.
military planes?



And why do the craft that behave in a strange way always want to make crosses in the sky?
it's just where 2 flight paths cross. not like it's a huge 'spray here' sign in the sky.....

[chaste]

But a 'spray here sign' is exactly what it's like - there are planes that come along solely to make crosses in the sky and then disappear. I'm not saying the planes can't be military (are there any in Edinburgh?) but that doesn't make things any clearer. Why would a plane fly straight up in the air? Why do planes in close proximity not experience the same effects if the trails are attributable to weather? How can anything be ruled out if there are no clear answers to these questions? How many questions can I fit into this post?

[eternal wheel]

But a 'spray here sign' is exactly what it's like - there are planes that come along solely to make crosses in the sky and then disappear. I'm not saying the planes can't be military (are there any in Edinburgh?) but that doesn't make things any clearer. Why would a plane fly straight up in the air? Why do planes in close proximity not experience the same effects if the trails are attributable to weather? How can anything be ruled out if there are no clear answers to these questions? How many questions can I fit into this post?
military planes can and often do fly vertically upwards.
the planes could have had different types of engine, as previously posted, the type of engine affects the type (or if) a trail is left. (modern turbofan airliner engines are prone to leave more, bigger trails. high powered big military jets leave big ones, lower powered ones leave smaller ones, etc.)
no clear answers, so can't definately be chemtrails...;)
'X's are simply where flight paths happen to cross. even a 'pro-chem' member on here conceded that, after he'd been on a pilots forum for research....

[chaste]

military planes can and often do fly vertically upwards.
the planes could have had different types of engine, as previously posted, the type of engine affects the type (or if) a trail is left. (modern turbofan airliner engines are prone to leave more, bigger trails. high powered big military jets leave big ones, lower powered ones leave smaller ones, etc.)
no clear answers, so can't definately be chemtrails...;)
'X's are simply where flight paths happen to cross. even a 'pro-chem' member on here conceded that, after he'd been on a pilots forum for research....

Labels like 'pro' and 'anti' get in the way of finding things out. I'm always happy to hear anything enlightening or informative, even if it's not what was expected, but it often seems like there's snobbery about seemingly outlandish things - that people sneer about facts and proof without being able to provide any explanations which bear scrutiny themselves. If you can help with info. about military stuff, or point me in the right direction, though, that'd be great. What purpose do military planes/flights serve? Where would you expect to see them? Where are they based? Is it across the country? How do such flights work around commercial flights? Are their flights also proposed in advance?

[eternal wheel]

What purpose do military planes/flights serve? Where would you expect to see them? Where are they based? Is it across the country?
why do we have an airforce? why do the RAF fly planes? where are military airfields? are they spread across the country?
you'll have to do better than that. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[anthony1965]

Labels like 'pro' and 'anti' get in the way of finding things out. I'm always happy to hear anything enlightening or informative, even if it's not what was expected, but it often seems like there's snobbery about seemingly outlandish things - that people sneer about facts and proof without being able to provide any explanations which bear scrutiny themselves. If you can help with info. about military stuff, or point me in the right direction, though, that'd be great. What purpose do military planes/flights serve? Where would you expect to see them? Where are they based? Is it across the country? How do such flights work around commercial flights? Are their flights also proposed in advance?

In this case, the label is misleading in the extreme.

Eternal wheel wrote " a 'pro-chem' member".

What does pro mean?

In favour of.

We are not pro-chemtrails. We are also not "chemtrailers".

We are anti-chemtrails.

[anthony1965]

why do we have an airforce? why do the RAF fly planes? where are military airfields? are they spread across the country?
you'll have to do better than that. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

What is the point of your questions here? :confused:

The Royal Air Force has been shrinking quite rapidly over the past couple of decades. The manpower numbers have pretty much halved, airfields have been closed in the UK, a number of foreign missions have been added (bombing civilians in muslim countries for example).

The RAF operates almost 1,109 aircraft and, as of October 2009, had a total man power strength of 44,300 regular,[5] and 2,500 part time personnel. These 46,800 active personnel make it the largest air force in the European Union and one of the largest in the Commonwealth. The majority of the RAF's aircraft and personnel are based in the UK with many others serving on operations (principally Afghanistan, the Middle East and the Balkans) or at long-established overseas bases (Ascension Island, Canada, Cyprus, Diego Garcia, Gibraltar, the Falkland Islands and Germany).

1109 aircraft, spread across the globe. Various types of aircraft, including 153 helicopters. Not all of the planes will be ready to fly at any given time.

List of active United Kingdom military aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 31 March 2006, the RAF formed nine Expeditionary Air Wings (EAWs) in order to support operations. They have been established at the nine main operating bases; RAF Coningsby, RAF Cottesmore, RAF Kinloss, RAF Leeming, RAF Leuchars, RAF Lossiemouth, RAF Lyneham, RAF Marham and RAF Waddington

Only nine main bases in the UK. Most of these bases are either in Scotland or spread along counties on the east coast.

You wrote "military planes can and often do fly vertically upwards."

Which planes are you referring to?

Do the descriptions of the planes that leave chemtrails fit the description of the military planes you refer to?

[eternal wheel]

You wrote "military planes can and often do fly vertically upwards."

Which planes are you referring to?

Do the descriptions of the planes that leave chemtrails fit the description of the military planes you refer to?

the jet fighter/fighter bomber ones. the small ones with the big engines.
harrier, hawk, typhoon, tornado, jaguar etc.

i don't know, despite (mainly) you changing my mind that chemtrails do actually happen, i've still not seen a bona fide chem trail with my own eyes, the nearest being some 'unusual stuff' that i posted about a while ago.

[eternal wheel]

In this case, the label is misleading in the extreme.

Eternal wheel wrote " a 'pro-chem' member".

What does pro mean?

In favour of.

We are not pro-chemtrails. We are also not "chemtrailers".

We are anti-chemtrails.
fair point.
to clarify, in this instance i meant 'someone who believes a lot more chemtrailing is going on than the amount i currently believe is going on'.

[21_12_2012]

fair point.
to clarify, in this instance i meant 'someone who believes a lot more chemtrailing is going on than the amount i currently believe is going on'.

Sometimes, it is good to put yourself in 'their' position.
By they, i mean the 'powers that be' that wish to(and have done for hundreds of years) keep us 'in boxes' of all kinds, with deteriorating health.... mentally, physically and spiritually low, physically toxic, immunity damaged...to make themselves hundreds of billions of dollars every year from their drug companies.

Now, if YOU were one of 'them', and you thought like them, acted like them, and wanted what 'they want' (ie control and money) wouldn't you target the very air that humans breathe ?

It makes sense. They get us from every angle possible, water, food, EMF, mind controlled from being children, vaccinated, pumped full of crap from the TV.

Why not target the air....VERY regularly ?

The way i see it is, we are like mice in a mouse cage with no roof on, and quite high walls but not too high....and if we don't get targetted by lots of stuff daily, we can jump out of the cage and become 'uncontrollable' and then not make 'them' any cash and become a threat.

The mouse cages are hammered with shit food, water, crap tv, taught bullshit at mouse school, given shit drugs when they're ill, and as much beer as they can drink after they've done their days work...and the cages sprayed daily with mini chemtrails. Otherwise, doink,..... out of the box.

Thats the way i see it anyway.

Might be a sad way of looking at it, but i breed mice, and it's a good way to think about what it's like to control a species, which, in a way, i do with the mice. But in good ways :)

[beldazar]

Good post 21 12 2012. Sums it up rather well :(

[turquoisefire777]

seriously. chemtrails don't work no more.

i remember the other day the area i live in got spayed so heavily, it looked like the buildings were on top of a misty mountain or something. and yet, it was like i was breathing fresh air. i mean, what were they sparaying? steam?

are they now steaming the place with evaporated water? are we being sprayed with mist? chemtrails don't work no more.

[beldazar]

Well there is none in the sky today, beautiful blue sky!!!

Maybe the pilots are off for christmas hahahaha :D

[antinwo]

Well there is none in the sky today, beautiful blue sky!!!

Maybe the pilots are off for christmas hahahaha :D

Hi Beldazar same here it was completely different last year however:mad:

[lw71]

Spray planes getting busy since this morning on the SE coast - looks like they are going for a complete white out. Woke up to a clear blue sky - several X's & parallel lines followed from planes at a relatively low level. Lots of HAARP like striated clouds also began forming once it had spread.

[lupa]

Leicester is being blitzed today. sky is almost covered, they've been busy since 5.30am.

[cinbad]

Look up the site "Strange days strange skys." Pretty informative. We had an episode here about a month ago. The planes were coming fast and furious. They were making X's and doing zig zags and U turns. I shut all the windows. The only two that went outside that day were my boyfriend, who walked to the store and one of my three cats. That night my cat got really sick. He was throwing up and had bloody diahrrea constantly. I was up all night cleaning up after him and freaking out. I took him to the vet and he had to be on an IV because he was dehydrated. They put him on Amocycillin and Flagyl. The next day my boyfriend had the same thing. But he took pepto, which you can't give to cats. The rest of us never got sick.

[mark1963]

Southend covered today from about 8am.

[infowarrior89uk]

The sky was looking rather odd today. :confused:

http://i45.tinypic.com/2euh84w.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/2r7u88k.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/r8rwwg.jpg

[deathcultreject]

You know that stuff they spray that makes the sky change colour?

It leaves a burnt metal smell on your clothes if you go out in it.

Well over here you can see it in the early hours of the morning, or at sunrise. They're doing it in secret and want less people to see it.

I had one of those 'OMG, it's real!' moments a few weeks ago, looking at a wrong looking moon, through a wrong looking sky.

The next morning, I went out before sunrise to have a look, and they had covered an area of sky with dodgy looking clouds as if they had gone back and forth like mowing a lawn.

There was a square corner where it stopped, it was that organised. It lit up orange from underneath with the sun rising.

I should have taken a photo.

It was right over my street.

[deathcultreject]

Well there is none in the sky today, beautiful blue sky!!!

Maybe the pilots are off for christmas hahahaha :D

Or they're scared of all the witches in Cornwall.

From what I've seen of the conspiricy first hand, they really do believe in magic, and they're scared of it.

[beldazar]

Or they're scared of all the witches in Cornwall.

From what I've seen of the conspiricy first hand, they really do believe in magic, and they're scared of it.

that's interesting, lol.

Perhaps i should become a witch, I've been called one many times and I also look like one :D

[deathcultreject]

that's interesting, lol.

Perhaps i should become a witch, I've been called one many times and I also look like one :D

I'd take it as a compliment.

Let me know if you need any help with that :)

I'm sure you'd be one of the good ones who makes witchcraft beautiful.

[lookfar]

I've just seen this on the BBC News website & seems VERY suspect to me, they obviously still want us all to believe that this is normal for CONtrails!:rolleyes:

How Aircraft Contrails Form Cloud

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8309629.stm

[griswald]

I've just seen this on the BBC News website & seems VERY suspect to me, they obviously still want us all to believe that this is normal for CONtrails!:rolleyes:

How Aircraft Contrails Form Cloud

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8309629.stm

Does that mean that pre Wright brothers the world was cloud free;)

griswald

[lookfar]

Does that mean that pre Wright brothers the world was cloud free;)

griswald

Lol, yeah seems to be implying that doesn't it! Total bollox though, they're just trying to make it all seem so "normal".

I've noticed loads of chemmies appearing on tv lately too, not that I watch very much, but The Dog Whisperer has shown quite a few this week that's for sure!

[banjoreality]

that bbc chemtrail propaganda is incredible.... what about the spiral shaped "contrail" to the east?? .... a plane gone mad going round in circles???!!! this is obvious brain washing, divide and rule again.... we have the contrailers versus the anti chemtrailers.....ahhh f ck

[beldazar]

that bbc chemtrail propaganda is incredible.... what about the spiral shaped "contrail" to the east?? .... a plane gone mad going round in circles???!!! this is obvious brain washing, divide and rule again.... we have the contrailers versus the anti chemtrailers.....ahhh f ck

Yes I saw that, lol.

I just didn't know what to say!!!

I think perhaps the BBC are getting more phone calls about it so thought they would just write up a 'matter of fact' article?

If people don't wake up now, in the future generations just about everyone will think they are a natural phenomena and any rumours with drift off into the deep dark past :(

[eternal wheel]

what about the spiral shaped "contrail" to the east?? .... a plane gone mad going round in circles???!!! this is obvious brain washing

it's called a holding patern. the plane flys in big circles while waiting to land if there's a problem at the airport so all the passengers don't fall out of their seats......

[eternal wheel]

they obviously still want us all to believe that this is normal for CONtrails

it is. :rolleyes:

[eternal wheel]

Does that mean that pre Wright brothers the world was cloud free;)

griswald
you must be trolling, even you can't be that stupid......

[eternal wheel]

Lol, yeah seems to be implying that doesn't it!

it's implying nothing of the sort.
none so blind as those that won't see...

[eternal wheel]

in the future generations just about everyone will think they are a natural phenomena and any rumours with drift off into the deep dark past :(

hopefully.

[21_12_2012]

Yep, move along folks, nothing suspicious to see here...

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

:rolleyes:

[lookfar]

you must be trolling, even you can't be that stupid......

Please don't accuse people of trolling just because their views don't match yours, they are entitled to them just as much as you are.

[lookfar]

it's implying nothing of the sort.
none so blind as those that won't see...

Did you miss the "lol" bit at the start, I wasn't exactly stating that:rolleyes: However, you're welcome to your views, but please don't try to stop others from expressing theirs.

[lookfar]

Yes I saw that, lol.

I just didn't know what to say!!!

I think perhaps the BBC are getting more phone calls about it so thought they would just write up a 'matter of fact' article?

If people don't wake up now, in the future generations just about everyone will think they are a natural phenomena and any rumours with drift off into the deep dark past :(

I agree Bel. I'm sure people have been asking questions and they're just putting their version out there, we all know enough by now to know that the media's version of events can't generally be trusted.

[wobbler]

Yep, move along folks, nothing suspicious to see here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxdiwS2R62Q

:rolleyes:

Nothing unusual at all, always seeing silver ball type things flying about and trails left by invisible planes, trails spouted out of rings and circles that dont move, planes that the camera cant focus on or be photographed yeah take no notice all perfectly normal every day occurrences on good ol' Terra firma:p

[banjoreality]

it's called a holding patern. the plane flys in big circles while waiting to land if there's a problem at the airport so all the passengers don't fall out of their seats......

still the same old moron eh marpy.......a contrail by nasa's def. cannot last long enough to form a full spiral on a sat pic, you moron, go home and play with your play mobile scanner.....
you bore me

[eternal wheel]

Please don't accuse people of trolling just because their views don't match yours, they are entitled to them just as much as you are.
it was sposed to be ironic, wasn't sure which smiley to use tho.....
totally agree, perhaps other posters should take that into account with regard to the continous name-calling and verbal abuse i get all the time for not agreeing with them. good job i'm thick skinned, eh.;)

[eternal wheel]

please don't try to stop others from expressing theirs.
certainly wouldn't do that, i enjoy the debate.....:D

[eternal wheel]

still the same old moron eh marpy.......a contrail by nasa's def. cannot last long enough to form a full spiral on a sat pic, you moron, go home and play with your play mobile scanner.....
you bore me

ahh, so you go by nasa's say-so when it suits you, but call them 'illuminati puppets' or similar when what they say doesn't agree with your opinion.....
interesting. :rolleyes:

[banjoreality]

YOU MAKE IT SO EASY MARPY MY LOVE, getting tired? when was the last time they let you out, into the daylight? stuck to your screen like an electronic leech, pretending to be all those people at once must be very tiring, your getting worst every week, how much do they pay is what I wonder, I could do your job a fuckload better, do you think you could forward some of my messages to your dear little (shitfaced) superior? maybe attach my CV (probably already got it eh?)
KIDS JUST THINK:
IF YOU DON'T BELEIVE IN GEO ENGINEERING ON A GLOBAL LEVEL THEN WHY CAN ONE GET A DIPLOMA IN THE SUBJECT? (GOOGLE IT)

PS: marpat you are getting really sloppy. You forgot to deny the fact that you are marpat, by the way.

[eternal wheel]

watch your blood pressure, illuminati disinfo agent stooge....
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/flumpkins/exploding-head-2.jpg

[lookfar]

Guys can we please quit with the personal insults in this thread. It's bound to attract those who want to diss the info, which is fine, but instead of arguing, can you please try to ignore?:) Anymore posts that are insults will have to be deleted.

Many thanks:)

[fekdemasons]

YOU MAKE IT SO EASY MARPY MY LOVE, getting tired? when was the last time they let you out, into the daylight? stuck to your screen like an electronic leech, pretending to be all those people at once must be very tiring, your getting worst every week, how much do they pay is what I wonder, I could do your job a fuckload better, do you think you could forward some of my messages to your dear little (shitfaced) superior? maybe attach my CV (probably already got it eh?)
KIDS JUST THINK:
IF YOU DON'T BELEIVE IN GEO ENGINEERING ON A GLOBAL LEVEL THEN WHY CAN ONE GET A DIPLOMA IN THE SUBJECT? (GOOGLE IT)

PS: marpat you are getting really sloppy. You forgot to deny the fact that you are marpat, by the way.


I wonder if anyones monitoring his PMs ?? :rolleyes::D:D

[eternal wheel]

Guys can we please quit with the personal insults in this thread. It's bound to attract those who want to diss the info, which is fine, but instead of arguing, can you please try to ignore?:) Anymore posts that are insults will have to be deleted.

Many thanks:)

insults?? i'm playing with him... ;):D

[john connor]

I wonder if anyones monitoring his PMs ?? :rolleyes::D:D

;)

[john connor]

What no chems lately back home?? Been bloody raining for weeks now here in 'sunny' california so no idea whats above the clouds

[billybleach]

It snowed in Hertfordshire this morning. Was a lovely clear, crisp day. My g/f looked out of the window and asked WTF that was that in the sky spraying(about 20mins ago)??? :eek: The first two crossing over were very low, or seemed like it,. The third pic was spraying three trails and had no identifying markers on it, just silver all over. :confused:

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/hansumbwunderful/IMAG0085.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/hansumbwunderful/IMAG0086.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/hansumbwunderful/IMAG0087.jpg

[beldazar]

wow good pictures billybleach.

It makes my blood boil to see these trails go over on a sunny day :mad:

or any day really

[martg]

great pics, i was getting my hopes up that they had stopped as i haven't seen any for weeks but i suppose that was unlikely

[john connor]

It snowed in Hertfordshire this morning. Was a lovely clear, crisp day. My g/f looked out of the window and asked WTF that was that in the sky spraying(about 20mins ago)??? :eek: The first two crossing over were very low, or seemed like it,. The third pic was spraying three trails and had no identifying markers on it, just silver all over. :confused:

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/hansumbwunderful/IMAG0085.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/hansumbwunderful/IMAG0086.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/hansumbwunderful/IMAG0087.jpg

Good pics, if there is such a thing as good pics of Chems...so they are back uh...same here in California yesterday, they seem a lot lower over here

[theallseeingone]

Yeah! The SAME thing here in my country.

[wellwoman]

I am in South London, the sky here today has looked just like them pics and my chest feels tight :(

[lw71]

Heavy chemtrailing on the SE coast today - what started as a clear blue sky ended with an ugly dirty murky sunset over the channel...

http://i47.tinypic.com/j93sl5.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2cc87t.jpg

[thelearner]

:mad:same 'ol ..just another day in Essex

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7404/jan096.th.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/jan096.jpg/)
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7523/jan095.th.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/jan095.jpg/)
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9851/jan094.th.jpg (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/jan094.jpg/)
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9513/jan093.th.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/jan093.jpg/)
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7562/jan092.th.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/jan092.jpg/)
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1733/jan091.th.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/jan091.jpg/)

[rwsctnuk]

the below needs more analysis.

named scientist and downloadable lab report?

It could be chem gunk - or it could be chewing gum - people get fed disinfo... as you know...

Any more on this story from Icke or Lambert?

From the David Icke newsletter:

FALLING FROM THE SKY?

Chewing gum? No, it’s not.

By David Icke

Over the holiday period, the healer and health and science researcher, Mike Lambert, said he knew what was being dropped from the sky and he took me, and my artist friend, Neil Hague, on a walk across the town following what was clearly the flight path of the aircraft. It passed virtually over my home and his.

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/Jan%202010/gum.jpg

Mike knew the flight path because he was following the trail of what looked like, at first sight, thousands of pieces of chewing gum on the pavements and paths. It was clear in a moment that this was not chewing gum by the sheer volume of it everywhere we walked …

… Mike said that he first came across the ‘gum’ 20 years ago when he was a professional health investigator and his interest was renewed when he began to see it all over Ryde.

His view is that the ‘gum’ is a carrier vehicle for viruses or poisons aimed at the population and his guess is that the origin is somewhere like the biological weapons research establishment at Porton Down, near Salisbury in Wiltshire, home to the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory, an agency of the Ministry of Defence. This is a very sinister place indeed …

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/Jan%202010/gum_2.jpg

… Mike sent samples of the ‘gum’ for laboratory analysis, but he was told that it would have to be sent on to a more sophisticated laboratory to establish what it is. We await the results on that, delayed by the extreme weather we are having in the UK, but a scientist at the first laboratory did say that it appeared to be some kind of latex material and in her view it was probably carrying a pesticide-type substance or ‘of that family’.

End of Post

It does look like bubble gum on the pavement outside a chippy in a town near here though. We'll have to wait and see what it was/is. Explains Why They Have Focused Minds To Chewing Gum

[marpat]

So if the above post is true then why is there not stuff like that everywhere? if that was just lying around on the ground then people would notice it and you lot would have your physical proof. The man just happens to be in that field of study as well, how convenient.

[gaznix]

NWO poisoning rain water

NWO poisoning rain water - YouTube

from Oz comes this 10 minute informative piece!

[lupa]

NWO poisoning rain water

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFn2c-1xmgg

from Oz comes this 10 minute informative piece!


Oh i like him ALOT! He can definitely come again :D

[largejack]

NWO poisoning rain water

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFn2c-1xmgg

from Oz comes this 10 minute informative piece!


As some people on here have been mentioning that someone needs to test the water after rainfall and heavy spraying, well here you go.;) This is the best evidence I have seen so far to back up the chemtrailing theory

[antinwo]

Oh i like him ALOT! He can definitely come again :D


Well that is enough evidence for me that aerosol spaying is going on. The NWO steilisation of the population is well underway

[rynath]

NWO poisoning rain water

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFn2c-1xmgg

from Oz comes this 10 minute informative piece!

Wow, it's not like these results are barely tipping the scales...these results are way above normal. Thanks for posting.

[john connor]

I grew up on heavy metal but this takes the piss :( added this to my youtube channel, people NEED to see this, good post

[hagbard_celine]

Chemtrail Clouds over Oxford::eek::(:confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAWKDZ4bHk

[rwsctnuk]

Letter about Chemtrails published in Shropshire Star, Feb 19th 2010 -
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=331879146773&topic=12660

http://photos.imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies/large/qwed.jpg

[multiverse]

Check out this incredible gallery of chemtrail images, along with information about pollution and disease related to chemtrails:
http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies?z=3&c=4&n=1&m=-1&w=4&x=0&p=14

I witnessed one of these sprayings just above our head when on a bridge driving into New York City, when we were stuck in a traffic jam. A convenient time to contaminate a large population! It was just like the picture in the gallery of the plane with two large streams of "smoke" coming out.

[multiverse]

Has anyone seen this new film about chemtrails?
Toxic Skies (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1414863/)

Here is the trailer: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1414863/

[mystic nomad]

Yep,
Got it, a mate recorded it off sci-fi channel, they show it a lot apparently, it's not the best film I've ever seen but the message is loud and clear!!

It's worth watching....... Hmmm spraying Barium and shit over an unsuspecting population, where the hell do they get story lines like that from? Those crazy writers have some furtive imaginations that's for sure:D

I don't whether it got banned in the states but I'm certain it was heavily censored.

[jimkultra]

I once witnessed two trail being sprayed simultaneously...the craft was too high for me to make out what it was exactly, but yet there were two trails being sprayed side-by-side, only a few feet apart.

And I always think I'll fully believe alternative theories when I see them for myself. So imagine my reaction when I looked out of the window one day:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t302/Faxl/DSC02729.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t302/Faxl/DSC02485.jpg


Now I believe. :eek:

[fekdemasons]

tick ....

One more of us , one less a them

[rwsctnuk]

For the UK I would recommend seeing the Chemtrails Citizen Concern (Chemtrail Awareness UK) facebook group for their photo section. Contribute also - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=331879146773

[john connor]

I once witnessed two trail being sprayed simultaneously...the craft was too high for me to make out what it was exactly, but yet there were two trails being sprayed side-by-side, only a few feet apart.

And I always think I'll fully believe alternative theories when I see them for myself. So imagine my reaction when I looked out of the window one day:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t302/Faxl/DSC02729.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t302/Faxl/DSC02485.jpg


Now I believe. :eek:

Yeah a Bloody eyeopener Isn't it? welcome to the forum.

[hagbard_celine]

Has anyone seen this new film about chemtrails?
Toxic Skies (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1414863/)

Here is the trailer: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1414863/

I saw it; it's not very good. Doesn't go into the issue at all.:rolleyes::(

[rwsctnuk]

For the UK I would recommend seeing the Chemtrails Citizen Concern (Chemtrail Awareness UK) facebook group for their photo section. Contribute also - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=331879146773

I now have a page for this: http://rwsctnuk.tripod.com/Chemtrails.html

[eternal wheel]

I once witnessed two trail being sprayed simultaneously...the craft was too high for me to make out what it was exactly, but yet there were two trails being sprayed side-by-side, only a few feet apart.
maybe the plane had 2 engines????



And I always think I'll fully believe alternative theories when I see them for myself. So imagine my reaction when I looked out of the window one day:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t302/Faxl/DSC02729.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t302/Faxl/DSC02485.jpg


Now I believe. :eek:

nice contrail pics.

believe what, exactly??

[antinwo]

Nice contrail pics??? Who are you working for Eternal?? Maybe the military like Marpy babes:D Stop spraying us you bastards:D

[kryst]

nice contrail pics.

believe what, exactly??

Welcome back, Mr. Bond

[antinwo]

I wonder how much these disinfo agents get paid:D

[kryst]

I wonder how much these disinfo agents get paid:D

It's not about the money, it's about the self-loathing.

[eternal wheel]

Welcome back, Mr. Bond
:)

[beldazar]

nice contrail pics??? Who are you working for eternal?? Maybe the military like marpy babes:d stop spraying us you bastards:d

lmao!!!! :d

[eternal wheel]

It's not about the money, it's about the self-loathing.

imagine you came across some flat-earthers on the internet....
imagine you knew the world was spheroid, you'd seen pics from space, you'd been round the world and ended up back where you started, not fallen off the edge, onto a giant turtle, or something.
imagine you posted on a place where the flat-earthers went that the world was round, not flat, and that this was provable.
imagine you got a load of abuse for this, imagine they came up with the most rediculous 'theories' and 'psuedo-babble' to back up their belief.
imagine some of them went to a lot of trouble faking pics to perpetuate the myth.
imagine they posted up lots of pictures of a round earth, with 'look, a flat earth' type wordage.
out of the goodness of your heart, wouldn't you stay and try and help them understand reality??

poor lambs.

:D

[fekdemasons]

imagine you came across some flat-earthers on the internet....
imagine you knew the world was spheroid, you'd seen pics from space, you'd been round the world and ended up back where you started, not fallen off the edge, onto a giant turtle, or something.
imagine you posted on a place where the flat-earthers went that the world was round, not flat, and that this was provable.
imagine you got a load of abuse for this, imagine they came up with the most rediculous 'theories' and 'psuedo-babble' to back up their belief.
imagine some of them went to a lot of trouble faking pics to perpetuate the myth.
imagine they posted up lots of pictures of a round earth, with 'look, a flat earth' type wordage.
out of the goodness of your heart, wouldn't you stay and try and help them understand reality??

poor lambs.

:D

Imagine theres no heaven ,easy if you try
No hell below us , above us only sky.....

FREE FROM FUCKING CHEMTRAILS !!!

[antinwo]

lmao!!!! :d


Hi hun how ya doing? hope those chems aren't making you ill. There were tonnes of them here in the north east today:eek:

[marpat]

I wonder how much these disinfo agents get paid:D

I can tell you how much I get paid but I get nothing for coming in here and asking questions that people wont answer.

[antinwo]

I can tell you how much I get paid but I get nothing for coming in here and asking questions that people wont answer.

Well of course you don't get paid for people answering your questions what you get paid for is trying to promote disinfo

[beldazar]

I can tell you how much I get paid but I get nothing for coming in here and asking questions that people wont answer.

Big crock of shit Marpat, you just wait for a newcomer and ask the same questions you have been asking for a few years now, you have had your answers again and again and again and........:rolleyes:

[subl1minal]

imagine theres no heaven ,easy if you try
no hell below us , above us only sky.....

Free from fucking chemtrails !!!

hahahaha! 1+

[john connor]

hahahaha! 1+

+ 1:d

[marpat]

Well of course you don't get paid for people answering your questions what you get paid for is trying to promote disinfo

Really? what have I promoted in this forum? I have never told people what to believe but I have asked a lot of questions about what people post. How is tha disinfo? why do people always use such excuses when their belief structure is under pressure?

[marpat]

Big crock of shit Marpat, you just wait for a newcomer and ask the same questions you have been asking for a few years now, you have had your answers again and again and again and........:rolleyes:

Really? so perhaps you can answer this. How is your health? has you health got worse because of contrails and if so how did you find this out?

How many people in this forum are in ill health because of supposed chemtrails? what sort of symptoms do you have and how did you make the link? when I ask such questions I would like to hear what people say about their own life not what they watche don youtube

[beldazar]

Really? so perhaps you can answer this. How is your health? has you health got worse because of contrails and if so how did you find this out?

How many people in this forum are in ill health because of supposed chemtrails? what sort of symptoms do you have and how did you make the link? when I ask such questions I would like to hear what people say about their own life not what they watche don youtube

Oh you know full well I don't go for the deliberate making of people ill through them, I have said this several times to you :rolleyes:

I have already given you MY account of chemtrails, more than once. Short-term memory playing you up?

[marpat]

Oh you know full well I don't go for the deliberate making of people ill through them, I have said this several times to you :rolleyes:

I have already given you MY account of chemtrails, more than once. Short-term memory playing you up?

Oh I am sorry for not remembering every detail of something you might have posted some time ago.

So exactly what is your health problem and how have you linked it to 'chemtrials'? have you seen a doctor and proven it? perhaps you think you have ingested something. Anything in particluar?

[beldazar]

Oh I am sorry for not remembering every detail of something you might have posted some time ago.

So exactly what is your health problem and how have you linked it to 'chemtrials'? have you seen a doctor and proven it? perhaps you think you have ingested something. Anything in particluar?

OMG Did you READ my post? :eek:

[marpat]

OMG Did you READ my post? :eek:

Please refresh my memory. I would be interested in hearing how people claim their health has been degraded by 'chemtrails'. Clearly it must only happen right on top of you are I dont have any health problems, neither do my family or anybody else I know, yet I do see persistant contrails over this area at times. I think you might have buzz lightyear syndrome

[beldazar]

oh you know full well i don't go for the deliberate making of people ill through them, i have said this several times to you :rolleyes:?

please refresh my memory.


good enough for you?

[mystic nomad]

OMG Did you READ my post?

Obviously he didn't, it seems (and this is in no way a personal attack, more a personal observation) Marpat operates on what I can only describe as Merry-Go-Round programming. Hoping that we get so dizzy we want to get off.

I know some people who have gone to their G.P.s with what they suspect to be Morgellons disease.

The (different) Gp's with no or very little investigation have given the same diagnosis - DOP = Delusions of Parasites. So constantly when tackling this subject people are unsurprisingly faced against a brick wall no matter which direction you arrive at it.

These people all have one thing in common, they knew nothing of chemtrails until researching their conditions on-line.

I knew nothing about chemtrails until after I saw a huge grid pattern over North Wales at dawn one summer morning. About 2 hours after that The weather turned to mush and I had a mouldy taste in my mouth that I will never forget.

I went searching for terms like "weird skys", "strange sunsets", "lines in sky" etc. This was back in perhaps 2003/2004. I was being directed to small community based websites in the states and threads that went like this:- "Wow just been up to feed the chooks, anyone else seen the sky tonight, what is going on?" There were loads of these types of posts from across the globe.

I didn't come across the term "chemtrail" until I was directed to an article in the Tenerife times (you know who you are;)) I then realised that despite what all my friends and others and what I was reading on established science websites and literature was trying to convince me, what my eyes had seen and my intuition was telling me was right! Something was very, very wrong here.

In this section of the forum I don't see fearmongering or people continually complaining of ill health as some would have us believe. What I see are concerned human beings searching for answers that are continually being interrupted, belittled and mis-directed.

It would appear that the people expending so much energy in these diversionary techniques are talking into a mirror, at fragments of their own reflection.

I take the time to write this so anyone reading that may be experiencing internal conflict about what they see going on may go deep within themselves and learn to trust and take strength in that.

Don't take anyone's word for it, read it, research it, digest it and go with your gut.

The time is now, man or machine, we have the choice.

[beldazar]

Obviously he didn't, it seems (and this is in no way a personal attack, more a personal observation) Marpat operates on what I can only describe as Merry-Go-Round programming. Hoping that we get so dizzy we want to get off.



Great way to put it, spot on!

Good post too. :)

I am certainly no chemtrail denier, I have eyes and a brain, I see what I see. I have had all this out with mypet before and he knows this

[fekdemasons]

Oh I am sorry for not remembering every detail of something you might have posted some time ago.

So exactly what is your health problem and how have you linked it to 'chemtrials'? have you seen a doctor and proven it? perhaps you think you have ingested something. Anything in particluar?

Your Bullshit ?

[marpat]

I guess people are just going to avoid the issue by not stating the degradation in their health and instead focus on trying to get stabs in at me. That is fine by me and as far as I am concerned just strengthens my conviction that claims of being poisoned or influenced by supposed chemtrails is nothing but a sad fantasy in the mind of people who lead boring lives and who project themselves into a world of fake conspiracies in order to feel they are actually at the centre of some global conspiracy.

[marpat]

Great way to put it, spot on!

Good post too. :)

I am certainly no chemtrail denier, I have eyes and a brain, I see what I see. I have had all this out with mypet before and he knows this

Yeah, your eyes can really tell you the chemical composition of something at 30,000 ft:rolleyes: You might have a brain but that does not mean you have a good one, certainly not one that can truly tell what is being sprayed into the air. It is so poor that you think you are suffering health problems by contrials. Buzz lightyear syndrome

[beldazar]

Yeah, your eyes can really tell you the chemical composition of something at 30,000 ft:rolleyes: You might have a brain but that does not mean you have a good one, certainly not one that can truly tell what is being sprayed into the air. It is so poor that you think you are suffering health problems by contrials. Buzz lightyear syndrome

I would rather be heading to infinity than firmly rammed up my own arse as you are my lovely :)

[antinwo]

Really? what have I promoted in this forum? I have never told people what to believe but I have asked a lot of questions about what people post. How is tha disinfo? why do people always use such excuses when their belief structure is under pressure?

You ask people to test the water from rainfall after heavy chemtrail spraying, someone does it and you, you were given this evidence plain and simple yet you actually refuse to watch the video. FFS if you are not disinfo then why keep refusing to look at REAL evidence and why do you keep going round in circles??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????

[marpat]

Sorry but it seems to me that claims of poisoning, etc. are bollocks as people do not seem to be dropping like flies. Barium does not accumulate in the body so can not be used to gradually build up to a dangerous level to poison a person.

[lightgiver]

Quote:
Originally Posted by beldazar View Post
OMG Did you READ my post?

Please refresh my memory. I would be interested in hearing how people claim their health has been degraded by 'chemtrails'. Clearly it must only happen right on top of you are I dont have any health problems, neither do my family or anybody else I know, yet I do see persistant contrails over this area at times. I think you might have buzz lightyear syndrome

Cancer experts say more people than ever before are now likely to develop the disease at some time, but the chances of survival are also increasing.

Figures highlighted by the Cancer Research Campaign show that the proportion of the population suffering from cancer has risen significantly over the past 20 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/590100.stm

Cancer survival rates in Britain among the wost in Europe,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1164295/Cancer-survival-rates-Britain-wost-Europe.html

When I see that crap coming out of the back end of aeroplanes,I think to myself what goes up must come down.

I guess people are just going to avoid the issue by not stating the degradation in their health and instead focus on trying to get stabs in at me. That is fine by me and as far as I am concerned just strengthens my conviction that claims of being poisoned or influenced by supposed chemtrails is nothing but a sad fantasy in the mind of people who lead boring lives and who project themselves into a world of fake conspiracies in order to feel they are actually at the centre of some global conspiracy.

I see you are being nice as usual.

You appear to spend an awful amount of time on here seeing you lead such a exciting life in the forces.

[marpat]

So cancer survival rates are now being linked to chemtrails? there are many factors that could account for the apparent rise in cancer so why does that have any specific relevance to contrails?

Are you trying to claim that chemtrails are causing cancer. This would mean that every person, from top to bottom of the social scale would be getting it, so if the rulers planned it they would be killing themselves

[lightgiver]

So cancer survival rates are now being linked to chemtrails? there are many factors that could account for the apparent rise in cancer so why does that have any specific relevance to contrails?

Are you trying to claim that chemtrails are causing cancer. This would mean that every person, from top to bottom of the social scale would be getting it, so if the rulers planned it they would be killing themselves

Could be,

take a look at the food that is spayed with pesticides,the water is poisoned,everything is wrapped in plastic,GMO food,I could go on,etc etc

not a healthy combination is it.

http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2009/11/chemtrails-jet-fuel-stadis-450-barium.html

at the end of the day you choose what you want to believe,and so do others.



Are you trying to claim that chemtrails are causing cancer. This would mean that every person, from top to bottom of the social scale would be getting it, so if the rulers planned it they would be killing themselves

I am claiming they contribute,some people have stronger immune systems than others.

do you see the rulers on a regular basis or something,how do you know their lifestyles.

[marpat]

So their lifestyles prevent them getting cancer from chemtrails?

You might find that people at the top still get ill, so for all their good living they still grow old, get ill and die. You get people from the lowest classes who outlive the rulers by many years.

[antinwo]

Sorry but it seems to me that claims of poisoning, etc. are bollocks as people do not seem to be dropping like flies. Barium does not accumulate in the body so can not be used to gradually build up to a dangerous level to poison a person.

So are you not denying that Barium is present in persistant contrails then????? I have not personally claimed that I am being poisoned but from taking a look at evidence of rainfall water testing after heavy spraying then that shit cannot be doing me or anyone any good???? Have you watched the video yet??????? You asked for someone to test the rainfall after heavy spraying, the evidence is there for you Marpat so what do you think of it???????????????

[largejack]

So cancer survival rates are now being linked to chemtrails? there are many factors that could account for the apparent rise in cancer so why does that have any specific relevance to contrails?

Are you trying to claim that chemtrails are causing cancer. This would mean that every person, from top to bottom of the social scale would be getting it, so if the rulers planned it they would be killing themselves

No we're not saying that Marpat, we're not saying there could be many other factors too? What we are doing is asking questions, what is wrong with that?

By the way, your new avatar, better? No, worse!

[lightgiver]

So their lifestyles prevent them getting cancer from chemtrails?

You might find that people at the top still get ill, so for all their good living they still grow old, get ill and die. You get people from the lowest classes who outlive the rulers by many years.

If one eats well stays fit and knows the score ,of course you can avoid becoming ill,not being run over by a car though,of course everyone gets old and dies,its about Quality not Quantity,

a lot of people I know back in the UK have always get some bug or the other.

I am sure the elites get all the best shit.

it s all about life style ,but most cannot escape the chem-trails.

Unless one knows when the heavy spraying is due.

[marpat]

But according to people in here it goes on all the time. Are you telling me that the rulers do not go outside when there are trails in the sky? that would make them prisoners of their own devices

[marpat]

No we're not saying that Marpat, we're not saying there could be many other factors too? What we are doing is asking questions, what is wrong with that?

By the way, your new avatar, better? No, worse!

No problem with questions but when people abuse you for not accepting their idea of proof it gets a bit annoying

[marpat]

So are you not denying that Barium is present in persistant contrails then????? I have not personally claimed that I am being poisoned but from taking a look at evidence of rainfall water testing after heavy spraying then that shit cannot be doing me or anyone any good???? Have you watched the video yet??????? You asked for someone to test the rainfall after heavy spraying, the evidence is there for you Marpat so what do you think of it???????????????

All I said was it does not accumulate in the body.

I did watch a vid (not that one)where they tested water froma puddle but it is too easy to make such a fake video. The steps are

1) Somebody videos a contrail
2) Somebody approached a puddle andtakes a sample
3) A test report is produced reporting barium content

So who is to say that all these parts of the video are connected, that the sample taken was a result of something falling from the sky or if it is ground contamination. Who is to say that the result is from that sample taken? people wanting to prove a point can go to extreme lengths to create an illusion

[marpat]

lmao!!!! :d

That amused you? have you had a funectomy or something?

[antinwo]

All I said was it does not accumulate in the body.

I did watch a vid (not that one)where they tested water froma puddle but it is too easy to make such a fake video. The steps are

1) Somebody videos a contrail
2) Somebody approached a puddle andtakes a sample
3) A test report is produced reporting barium content

So who is to say that all these parts of the video are connected, that the sample taken was a result of something falling from the sky or if it is ground contamination. Who is to say that the result is from that sample taken? people wanting to prove a point can go to extreme lengths to create an illusion


Why are you still refusing to watch the video ???? I think you have you are just pretending you haven't as you like to promote your disinfo about barium and the fact that because it is present in nature anyway that the chemtrail theory is a load of bollox!

[marpat]

Why are you still refusing to watch the video ???? I think you have you are just pretending you haven't as you like to promote your disinfo about barium and the fact that because it is present in nature anyway that the chemtrail theory is a load of bollox!

Link it again and I will watch it this time. Might be the one I have already seen

Well you even say its a THEORY

[lightgiver]

But according to people in here it goes on all the time. Are you telling me that the rulers do not go outside when there are trails in the sky? that would make them prisoners of their own devices

Correct.

[beldazar]

That amused you? have you had a funectomy or something?

:D

I watched a series of video's this morning and the man presenting them said that barium is used to reflect RADIATION.

Is he right Marpat? :)

[marpat]

:D

I watched a series of video's this morning and the man presenting them said that barium is used to reflect RADIATION.

Is he right Marpat? :)

Im sure it would. Many things reflect radiation, that is why you pick up weather on radar, it reflects the energy straight back. In fact there are not many things that dont reflect it, even the ground gives off radar reflections, which is nothing more that microwave energy.

In light of the fact that nearly everything reflects radiation, why should barium have any special consideration?

[beldazar]

why should barium have any special consideration

Because apparently this is why it's used in chemtrails although I have a feeling you already knew that.

[ianw]

Im sure it would. Many things reflect radiation, that is why you pick up weather on radar, it reflects the energy straight back. In fact there are not many things that dont reflect it, even the ground gives off radar reflections, which is nothing more that microwave energy.

In light of the fact that nearly everything reflects radiation, why should barium have any special consideration?

The elite know about the spirit world they want to disconect us from it.
Barium sprayed into the atmosphere would disrupt or block out a spectrum of frequencies radiating to and from the spirit world.Its an atempt to fire walled off our DNA transmiter receiver construct. Aliminium is also being sprayed,im not a micro electrition but they are puting aliminium sufate in the drinking water, could these two components be the conduit to hijack our body program via haarp.

[marpat]

The elite know about the spirit world they want to disconect us from it.
Barium sprayed into the atmosphere would disrupt or block out a spectrum of frequencies radiating to and from the spirit world.Its an atempt to fire walled off our DNA transmiter receiver construct. Aliminium is also being sprayed,im not a micro electrition but they are puting aliminium sufate in the drinking water, could these two components be the conduit to hijack our body program via haarp.

So the spirit, a non-physical energy, is blocked by simply spraying barium in the air? so what happens when you die, they cant stop you going to the spirit world then can they. The easiest way to disconnect people from their spirit is to make them obsessed with the material world, which will cause them to forget the inner world, and with no need for weird spraying concepts

[marpat]

Because apparently this is why it's used in chemtrails although I have a feeling you already knew that.

You could spray water into the air and it would reflect radiation. Get to the point

[eternal wheel]

via haarp.

we've all heard of godwins law?

i propose 'the E.W. law'

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of someone blaming HAARP for some random event approaches 1.

FFS so haarp affects ghosts now!

[beldazar]

You could spray water into the air and it would reflect radiation. Get to the point

oo I love it when you get all demanding :D

[ianw]

we've all heard of godwins law?

i propose 'the E.W. law'

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of someone blaming HAARP for some random event approaches 1.

FFS so haarp affects ghosts now!

Maybe you should study the satanic elite and where they have got there tecnoligy. Isack Newton, Jogi Baird and Nikola Tesla all had contact with something ''extraterestrial in nature'' Haarp and radio is Tesla tecnoligy TV is bairds tecnoligy. These along with phone masts have the capability of haveing affects on ''ghosts'' as you put it.I was talking spirits and people.
Go and study the nature of reality and eventualy you will understand you are extraterestrial in nature.
All these chemtrails flouride etc are desingned to keep you detatched from this and give them the power to controll your construct.
Disclosure wont be televised.

[marpat]

oo I love it when you get all demanding :D

I have to be like that when people are being evasive. You made a claim about barium reflecting radiation but I have told you that nearly everything does to some degree, unless created to absorb it.

So why the need for barium as a reflector?

[eternal wheel]

Maybe you should study the satanic elite and where they have got there tecnoligy
maybe i already have.


. Isack Newton, Jogi Baird......... all had contact with something ''extraterestrial in nature''
i have no way of knowing if you're right or wrong, as i've never heard of them.
i seriously doubt, however, that isaac newton or john logie baird did.



These along with phone masts have the capability of haveing affects on ''ghosts'' as you put it
you know this how??

Go and study the nature of reality and eventualy you will understand you are extraterestrial in nature.
will i?
i think you'll find i don't reach that conclusion.


All these chemtrails flouride etc are desingned to keep you detatched from this and give them the power to controll your construct.
Disclosure wont be televised.
again, you know this how?
are you a PTB whistleblower?

[beldazar]

I have to be like that when people are being evasive. You made a claim about barium reflecting radiation but I have told you that nearly everything does to some degree, unless created to absorb it.

So why the need for barium as a reflector?

to prevent radiation apparently.......

the vid in question is on this page but for the life of me I don't remember which one.

http://the-rabbits-hole.com/?p=22
I have every right to think you wouldn't watch it anyway so i'm probably wasting my time

[marpat]

to prevent radiation apparently.......

the vid in question is on this page but for the life of me I don't remember which one.

http://the-rabbits-hole.com/?p=22
I have every right to think you wouldn't watch it anyway so i'm probably wasting my time

Like I said, clouds and water can reflect radiation, which is why they interfere with radar, so why the need for barium?

It is more likely that I will end up asking you a lot of questions that you cannot answer.

So what radiation would they want to reflect, ground based or from space?

[ianw]

maybe i already have.



i have no way of knowing if you're right or wrong, as i've never heard of them.
i seriously doubt, however, that isaac newton or john logie baird did.




you know this how??


will i?
i think you'll find i don't reach that conclusion.



again, you know this how?
are you a PTB whistleblower?

All your threads are chemtrail but yet you dont give any info what so ever.
Apart from saying your a member of The cloud appreciation sociaty and stuff like ''what has a pink avatar with a contrail in it, only ever posts pointless one line comments and never contributes anything positive or useful to any debate? '' http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058634254&postcount=8 I can see you busted out of your box long ago.







lol huge amount of time you must be joking 95 per cent of yer posts telling people 'what' 'eh' '?' doesnt take much mining



.

[eternal wheel]

All your threads are chemtrail but yet you dont give any info what so ever.
Apart from saying your a member of The cloud appreciation sociaty and stuff like ''what has a pink avatar with a contrail in it, only ever posts pointless one line comments and never contributes anything positive or useful to any debate? '' http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058634254&postcount=8 I can see you busted out of your box long ago.

ooooh, another post miner!!:rolleyes:
i'm honoured to be worthy of the huge amount of time you've obviously spent routing through my old posts.

you need to get out more.

[fekdemasons]

Like I said, clouds and water can reflect radiation, which is why they interfere with radar, so why the need for barium?

It is more likely that I will end up asking you a lot of questions that you cannot answer.

So what radiation would they want to reflect, ground based or from space?

"On the contrary ,

It is you who is mistaken....

ABOUT A GREAT MANY THINGS "

[mystic nomad]

:D

I watched a series of video's this morning and the man presenting them said that barium is used to reflect RADIATION.

Is he right Marpat? :)


One of the "official lines" is that it reflects the suns radiation back into space.

In the back of my mind I think while everyone is/has been running around worrying about global warming, no one has been preparing for the potential coming of another mini ice age that was being promoted during the 60's, 70's and early 80's and which we may be getting subtle warnings about over the last couple of years.

And now possibly being manipulated!

Just a thought.....

[mystic nomad]

maybe i already have.



i have no way of knowing if you're right or wrong, as i've never heard of them.
i seriously doubt, however, that isaac newton or john logie baird did.


^^ Why do you always have to be-little people, does it make you feel better?

Do you automatically assume that the whole world's first language is English?

Do you also believe that the public education system actually teaches anyone anything other than a forced agenda.

So what?

You obviously got the point being conveyed so why try and take the piss?

This isn't a personal attack, we're here for a reason and it's not grammar or spelling.

[eternal wheel]

Do you also believe that the public education system actually teaches anyone anything

well it taught you how to read and write.....

[mystic nomad]

well it taught you how to read and write.....

Sorry Eternal but in my case it didn't. I was lucky enough to have a mum who taught me to read and write before I went to school and after I got banned from playschool LOL.

After about the fifth time of getting the cane at primary school I would go for registration then go up my Nans to help her work the land to provide for the family.

After spending a year in isolation at middle school my dad fetched me out and I spent the next few years on the road with him.

Upper school saw me now and again and if anyone wanted to find me I'd either be down the river, hunting pheasants, up my favourite tree with a book or round an older persons house helping them out in the tiny village I grew up in.

The rest of the time on the road with the old man or one of his friends, went all over Europe, Turkey and the middle east. I could change a tyre on a truck at 12 and I could reverse a 40 ft arctic into a loading bay at 14.

Always had a real passion for books and am pretty much self educated. In my profession now I'm almost at the top, other than getting some worthless degree, I've put myself through every qualification possible. I also have a National Diploma in electrical and electronic engineering (just to overcome my fear of maths lol) and a National Diploma in media studies (to find out who was controlling the story tellers!)

I have no reason to bullshit you as I consider myself very lucky to have had the opportunities.

So again maybe it's time you tried to think outside your restrictive box!

[eternal wheel]

Sorry Eternal but in my case it didn't. I was lucky enough to have a mum who taught me to read and write before I went to school and after I got banned from playschool LOL.

After about the fifth time of getting the cane at primary school I would go for registration then go up my Nans to help her work the land to provide for the family.

After spending a year in isolation at middle school my dad fetched me out and I spent the next few years on the road with him.

Upper school saw me now and again and if anyone wanted to find me I'd either be down the river, hunting pheasants, up my favourite tree with a book or round an older persons house helping them out in the tiny village I grew up in.

The rest of the time on the road with the old man or one of his friends, went all over Europe, Turkey and the middle east. I could change a tyre on a truck at 12 and I could reverse a 40 ft arctic into a loading bay at 14.

Always had a real passion for books and am pretty much self educated. In my profession now I'm almost at the top, other than getting some worthless degree, I've put myself through every qualification possible. I also have a National Diploma in electrical and electronic engineering (just to overcome my fear of maths lol) and a National Diploma in media studies (to find out who was controlling the story tellers!)

I have no reason to bullshit you as I consider myself very lucky to have had the opportunities.

So again maybe it's time you tried to think outside your restrictive box!

sounds idylic. :cool:
i too could read and write before school, but it's my sons who've had the benefit of spending their childhood on the road.

[marpat]

to prevent radiation apparently.......

the vid in question is on this page but for the life of me I don't remember which one.

http://the-rabbits-hole.com/?p=22
I have every right to think you wouldn't watch it anyway so i'm probably wasting my time

Well I was reading something about a device to make a powder contrial for the purpose of radar scattering, but the substance contained was titanium oxide, not barium. The only problem with such a system is that it would require regular spraying just to give wide radar coverage, so would probably be employed only at required times, bu systems that do not have rotating antenna. If they are rotating then there is no need to try and increased coverage. HAARP is such a transmitter that does not rotate, probably using phased array antenna to give some level of movement, but to broaden that further you could probably use a radar scattering material. One of the function of HAARP is to act as a radar, and although I am only speculating, such powder contrails could be used to enhance its coverage.

[subl1minal]

The last two days my town has been seriously been bombarded with Chemtrails, I also saw a massive circle type rainbow form in the sky and there was no rain cloud in sight. Got pictures I need to sort out.

Never seen anything like it..

[beldazar]

The last two days my town has been seriously been bombarded with Chemtrails, I also saw a massive circle type rainbow form in the sky and there was no rain cloud in sight. Got pictures I need to sort out.

Never seen anything like it..

Where abouts are you? I saw a big halo around the sun today down in Cornwall, there were several spred-out chemtrails plus a haze that covered the sky inbetween clouds

[subl1minal]

Where abouts are you? I saw a big halo around the sun today down in Cornwall, there were several spred-out chemtrails plus a haze that covered the sky inbetween clouds

Exactly the same here! I'm in Basingstoke, but it didn't cover the sun, I've got photos, I'll upload them and show you!

There was even criss-crossing chemtrails making a massive X in the sky, seriously, could they get any more blatant? :rolleyes:

I took that photo on my phone after work. Seriously, it's actually quite hilarious how obvious it is.

[beldazar]

Exactly the same here! I'm in Basingstoke, but it didn't cover the sun, I've got photos, I'll upload them and show you!

There was even criss-crossing chemtrails making a massive X in the sky, seriously, could they get any more blatant? :rolleyes:

I took that photo on my phone after work. Seriously, it's actually quite hilarious how obvious it is.

It didn't cover the sun, halo I mean, but was about 12 inches away looking from down here (if you know what I mean :o)

[subl1minal]

It didn't cover the sun, halo I mean, but was about 12 inches away looking from down here (if you know what I mean :o)

Yeah totally! Maybe we was seeing the same thing but because we're like 3-4 hours apart? it had moved?

Or there was multiple versions of them!

[beldazar]

Yeah totally! Maybe we was seeing the same thing but because we're like 3-4 hours apart? it had moved?

Or there was multiple versions of them!

lol, it would have been seen at the same time though since we have the same sun :confused:
right, what time did I see it....err....about 1.30 to 2.30 I think but like I said on another thread I have seen that effect twice before

[subl1minal]

lol, it would have been seen at the same time though since we have the same sun :confused:
right, what time did I see it....err....about 1.30 to 2.30 I think but like I said on another thread I have seen that effect twice before

Sorry, I meant like 3-4 hours distance! haha

[beldazar]

Sorry, I meant like 3-4 hours distance! haha

Eh? Sorry I'm really really tired right now, what time did you see it? :o

Oh right I get you now, lol

[subl1minal]

The blatant criss-cross Chemtrails after I left work just before this halo around the Sun business I captured later..

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9345/crosschem1.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5163/crosschem2.jpg

Rainbow Halo over the Sunset (Beg your pardon Beldazar, it was over the Sun!)
1 - http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8894/sunrainbow1.jpg
2 - http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7448/sunrainbow2.jpg
3 - http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5381/sunrainbow3.jpg
4 - http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5959/sunrainbow4.jpg
5 - http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2609/sunrainbow5.jpg

Chemtrail plane moments later -

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8216/chemtrail1.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9476/chemtrail2.jpg

[eternal wheel]

The last two days my town has been seriously been bombarded with Chemtrails

and why would they 'bombard' your town with chemtrails??


There was even criss-crossing chemtrails making a massive X in the sky, seriously, could they get any more blatant? :rolleyes:
so a massive 'X' in the sky is proof of chemtrails now??

Seriously, it's actually quite hilarious how obvious it is.
seriously, FFS do some research before you post rubbish.

[eternal wheel]

The blatant criss-cross Chemtrails after I left work just before this halo around the Sun business I captured later..

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9345/crosschem1.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5163/crosschem2.jpg

Rainbow Halo over the Sunset (Beg your pardon Beldazar, it was over the Sun!)
1 - http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8894/sunrainbow1.jpg
2 - http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7448/sunrainbow2.jpg
3 - http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5381/sunrainbow3.jpg
4 - http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5959/sunrainbow4.jpg
5 - http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2609/sunrainbow5.jpg

Chemtrail plane moments later -

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8216/chemtrail1.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9476/chemtrail2.jpg

not 'blatant criss-cross chemtrails' but contrails showing crossing flightpaths.
what the fuck do you think the 'X' is for??? a big 'spray here' sign for the pilots???? :rolleyes:


your other pics are of a sun halo. pretty common, i've seen loads. nothing to do with 'chemtrails'.

[anthony1965]

During the past week I've observed the following in my area (south west Germany).

One week ago. A beautiful day, no trails, few planes.

Next day, loads of planes, some trails sticking, the sky gradually whitening as the trails spread, but some patches of blue remaining.

Then another good day, but I twice saw clouds with a pinkish, greenish hue to their edges.

Then another heavier spray day.

Then the storm. Which weakened noticably as it hit Germany and caused virtually zero damage in our area although it had been forecast as the strongest storm since 1999.

Today is one of the most beautifully fresh skies and air that I can remember in a long time. Beautifully deep blue sky and puffy white clouds. Fresh, fresh air. Very few planes and no trails sticking. :)

There was one plane that flew quite low and seemed tobe making an effort to leave trails, but this plane also had no success.

[iwanttruth]

Can someone briefly explain to me how chemtrails actually work in terms of, how they AFFECT the clouds and what they do to them?

From my experience of what I've seen they seem to expand greatly as if absorbing all the water vapour high up.

[beldazar]

Hi subliminal, great pictures!

I saw the same again today.

What struck me was remembering back to the video someone had made of the sky just before the Chile earthquake and the semi-circle rainbow on it too.
I know I told you I thought it was the effect of piezoelectric energy coming from the quartz in the rock well I have changed my mind.

The halo today was a very faint version of that, very pale orange in the innermost part of the circle, light yellow in the middle and blue on the edge.
The sky here today had a blanket chemtrails, partly faint blue skies and a few grey clouds
I can quite belive they are chemtrailing the sky so they can play with their super-dooper HAARP toy! :mad:

[subl1minal]

Hi subliminal, great pictures!

I saw the same again today.

What struck me was remembering back to the video someone had made of the sky just before the Chile earthquake and the semi-circle rainbow on it too.
I know I told you I thought it was the effect of piezoelectric energy coming from the quartz in the rock well I have changed my mind.

The halo today was a very faint version of that, very pale orange in the innermost part of the circle, light yellow in the middle and blue on the edge.
The sky here today had a blanket chemtrails, partly faint blue skies and a few grey clouds
I can quite belive they are chemtrailing the sky so they can play with their super-dooper HAARP toy! :mad:

Not sure about you, but I had a fuckin' PERFECT day all day here. As soon as 4ish kicked in, Chemtrails EVERYWHERE.

Seriously, it was clear skies all day, a few marshmellow/fluffy clouds, then planes all over the place every 20 minutes or so. There was around 4 Chemtrails in the space of half an hour going to the shop and back. Couldn't believe it!

I mean c'mon, if there's a busy flight path going over Hampshire where I live, then why was there barely any planes in sight until the evening? and they just so happened to be pumping out 'contrails' that slowly dispersed into massive trails of chemicals? :rolleyes:

[beldazar]

I know what you mean subliminal, just ignore them, we know what's right hey? ;)

The sky has another film of chemtrails where I am, I expect yet another sun halo, I will get my cam out if it's there again, it's hazy sunshine here.

[fekdemasons]

Not sure about you, but I had a fuckin' PERFECT day all day here. As soon as 4ish kicked in, Chemtrails EVERYWHERE.

Seriously, it was clear skies all day, a few marshmellow/fluffy clouds, then planes all over the place every 20 minutes or so. There was around 4 Chemtrails in the space of half an hour going to the shop and back. Couldn't believe it!

I mean c'mon, if there's a busy flight path going over Hampshire where I live, then why was there barely any planes in sight until the evening? and they just so happened to be pumping out 'contrails' that slowly dispersed into massive trails of chemicals? :rolleyes:

Me too , But I have some footage of a dodgy looking plane (military ?) leaving a trail , then the trail stops for a while , then carries on after " a rest "

Kind of blows the whole altitude and contrail / chemtrail theory.

I'll post it when I get time . Watch this space.

[fekdemasons]

I'd like to know what the green tinge is ?


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[anthony1965]

I'd like to know what the green tinge is ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C2r3NAyiCs

In my post 2238 I mentioned seeing pink and green tinges to clouds twice on the same day recently. And these were just the occasions when I spotted them, there were probably more. I've seen this a few times in the past as well, but on an irregular basis.

See this thread about "cosmic lights" in the sky in Hungary. Reported to have been similar to an aurora borealis type effect.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106216

I detailed some stuff about these kind of effects being triggered by EM energy in the manmade earthquake thread.

I wonder if there are particular chemicals likely to produce this effect if sprayed? Barium springs to mind. This has been used many times over the decades.

Okay.

We have BINGO.
Please take a look at this thread, especially, but not only, post number 14.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64112

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=986540&postcount=14

[suthseaxan]

I

I wonder if there are particular chemicals likely to produce this effect if sprayed? Barium springs to mind. This has been used many times over the decades.



Not just any Barium, research Barium Titanate ;)

[fuzzylogic]

I'd like to know what the green tinge is ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C2r3NAyiCs
Tinge is more blue than green.

The red tinge at the top of the trail suggests to me it's artifacts introduced by the video camera.

Although I expect you don't actually want to know what the "green" tinge is.

Taken from the end of the video...

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6655/purpleda.jpg

You telling me that those twigs have a purple tint?

[suthseaxan]

Barium Titanate ( BaTiO3 ) – Properties and Applications
Background

The chemical formula for Barium Titanate is BaTiO3. As a powder it is white to grey in colour and has a perovskite structure.

It is soluble in many acids including sulfuric, hydrochloric and hydrofluoric acids. It is insoluble in alkalis and water.

In the pure form it is an electrical insulator. However, when doped with small amounts of metals, most notably scandium, yttrium, neodymium, samarium etc it becomes semiconducting.

As a semiconductor it exhibits positive temperature of co-efficient of resistivity (PTCR) properties in the polycrystalline form. This means at a certain temperature, called the Curie temperature, the material will exhibit an increase in resistivity, the increase typically being several orders of magnitude. The Curie temperature can to some extent be controlled by the dopant. At the Curie temperature, barium titanate undergoes a phase change from tetrahedral to cubic. It has also been reported that single crystals of barium titanate exhibit negative temperature co-efficient of resistivity (NTCR) properties.

Barium titanate also exhibits ferroelectric properties and is an excellent photorefractive material.
Key Properties

Property


Value

Density ( g.cm-3 ) 6.02

Melting Point (°C) 1650

Young’s Modulus (GPa) 67

Hardness (Mohs) 5

Applications

Due to its PTCR properties, barium titanate is most often found used as a thermistor e.g. in thermal switches.

just add add in some alluminium.

The Curie temperature
Curie temperature in ferromagnetic and ferrimagnetic materials

The Curie temperature of a ferromagnetic or a ferrimagnetic material is the reversible point above which it becomes paramagnetic (it is for instance 768°C or 1414 °F for iron). Below the Curie temperature the magnetic moments are aligned parallel within magnetic domains in ferromagnetic materials and anti-parallel in ferrimagnetic materials. As the temperature is increased towards the Curie point, the alignment (magnetization) within each domain decreases. Above the Curie temperature, the material is paramagnetic so that magnetic moments are in a completely disordered state.

The destruction of magnetization at the Curie temperature is a second-order phase transition and a critical point where the magnetic susceptibility is theoretically infinite.

A heat-induced ferromagnetic-paramagnetic transition is used in magneto-optical storage media, where it is used for erasing and writing of new data. Famous examples include the Sony Minidisc format, as well as the now-obsolete CD-MO format.

Other uses include temperature control in soldering irons such as those made by Metcal and the Weller WTCPT and, in general, where a temperature-controlled magnetization is desirable.
Curie temperature in piezoelectric material

In analogy to ferromagnetic materials, the Curie temperature is also used in piezoelectric materials to describe the temperature above which the material loses its spontaneous polarization and piezoelectric characteristics. In lead zirconate titanate (PZT), the material is tetragonal below Tc and the unit cell contains a displaced central cation and hence a net dipole moment.[disambiguation needed] Above Tc, the material is cubic and the central cation is no longer displaced from the centre of the unit cell. Hence, there is no net dipole moment and no spontaneous polarization.

The critical or ordering temperature for a ferromagnetic or a ferrimagnetic material. The Curie temperature Tc is the temperature below which there is a spontaneous magnetization M in the absence of an externally applied magnetic field, and above which the material is paramagnetic. In the disordered state above the Curie temperature, thermal energy overrides any interactions between the local magnetic moments of ions. Below the Curie temperature, these interactions are predominant and cause the local moments to order or align so that there is a net spontaneous magnetization.

In the ferromagnetic case, as temperature T increases from absolute zero, the spontaneous magnetization decreases from M0, its value at T = 0. At first this occurs gradually, then with increasing rapidity until the magnetization disappears at the Curie temperature. In ferrimagnetic materials the course of magnetization with temperature may be more complicated, but the spontaneous magnetization disappears at the Curie temperature.

In antiferromagnetic materials the corresponding ordering temperature is termed the Néel temperature. Below the Néel temperature the magnetic sublattices have a spontaneous magnetization, though the net magnetization of the material is zero. Above the Néel temperature the material is paramagnetic. See also Antiferromagnetism.

The ordering temperatures for magnetic materials vary widely. The ordering temperature for ferroelectrics is also termed the Curie temperature, below which the material shows a spontaneous electric moment. See also Ferromagnetism; Pyroelectricity.

I'm positively sure anthony1965 can make sense of all this :D

[suthseaxan]

(solid-state physics) A temperature, characteristic of certain metals, alloys, and salts, below which spontaneous nonparalleled magnetic ordering takes place so that they become antiferromagnetic, and above which they are paramagnetic. Also known as Néel point.

http://www.answers.com/topic/n-el-temperature

antiferromagnetic

IN BRIEF: adj. - Relating to a field that uses attraction to create parallel but opposing spins. varies with temperature


in detail......
antiferromagnetism [¦an·tē‚fer·ō′mag·nə‚tiz·əm]
(solid-state physics)
A property possessed by some metals, alloys, and salts of transition elements by which the atomic magnetic moments form an ordered array which alternates or spirals so as to give no net total moment in zero applied magnetic field.
more...
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/antiferromagnetic

[fekdemasons]

Tinge is more blue than green.

The red tinge at the top of the trail suggests to me it's artifacts introduced by the video camera.

Although I expect you don't actually want to know what the "green" tinge is.

Taken from the end of the video...

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6655/purpleda.jpg

You telling me that those twigs have a purple tint?

I'll take some photographs tomorrow of My tree .. but I would imagine it could be caused by sunlight.

And Of course I want to know what the Green tinge is. But you said it was blue. :confused:

Adjust the settings on your monitor , it appears colourblind