UK Chemtrails

[skunksmash]

hi thanks for posting and welcome to the site, glad to see another new member awakening to these chems, take no notice of our 2 resident chem deniers only they know their motives for such blatent denial

LMAO......:D



:)sk

[halluminati]

Explain how you know those aircraft are at about the same altitude
does it really matter? Also i said "about" not "I know for damn sure they was X altitude"

but peace though man i respect your right to not belive any of this stuff

[marpat]

does it really matter? Also i said "about" not "I know for damn sure they was X altitude"

but peace though man i respect your right to not belive any of this stuff

Well it really does matter because persistent contrails form at different heights to non-persistent ones.

I dont consider the subject a matter of belief. I am just not conviced with what people are claiming.

[chaste]

Explain how you know those aircraft are at about the same altitude


Would you care to explain how the three 'planes I saw flying one above the other, with sizeable distances between, all left the same trail?

Or how aircraft flying on 310-degree bearings (in profile) leave such trails when flying near rooftops and yet leave no trail when in the highest reaches of the same flight? Would that constitute different altitudes or do we need to resurrect Pythagoras?

[marpat]

HI thanks for posting and welcome to the site, glad to see another new member awakening to these chems, take NO NOTICE of our 2 resident chem deniers only they know their motives for such blatent denial

Look at you, trying to tell people who they should listen to or who they shouldn't. Have you been elected into the thought police or been given a job to dictate who should listen to what?

If an official made a statement claiming people should not listen to David Icke then you would be kicking up a fuss that they were trying to repress his views in case people found out the truth.

People like you fear the views of other people and try to do what you can to stop people listening. If you did not fear my views then why would you need to make such a statement?

[marpat]

Would you care to explain how the three 'planes I saw flying one above the other, with sizeable distances between, all left the same trail?

Or how aircraft flying on 310-degree bearings (in profile) leave such trails when flying near rooftops and yet leave no trail when in the highest reaches of the same flight? Would that constitute different altitudes or do we need to resurrect Pythagoras?

Different atmospheric conditions. I would think it is the same reason that some persistent contrails are broken in places. I know people try to explain this as turning the spray on and off but this is just a speculation. There was an article in the forum apparently from a refuelling guy who claims that chemicals are in the fuel. Now for the 'chemtrails' to be broken in such a manner would involve the engines being turned off and on, not really a good thing.

What would constitue different altitudes? perhaps being at different heights. The fact is that you cannot really tell such things with you eyes at ground level. Many factors affect how a person judges distance and height, such as light conditions, weather, relative elevation, etc.

[halluminati]

Anyway....:rolleyes:
Hi forum

[chaste]

Different atmospheric conditions. I would think it is the same reason that some persistent contrails are broken in places. I know people try to explain this as turning the spray on and off but this is just a speculation. There was an article in the forum apparently from a refuelling guy who claims that chemicals are in the fuel. Now for the 'chemtrails' to be broken in such a manner would involve the engines being turned off and on, not really a good thing.

What would constitue different altitudes? perhaps being at different heights. The fact is that you cannot really tell such things with you eyes at ground level. Many factors affect how a person judges distance and height, such as light conditions, weather, relative elevation, etc.


Perhaps we can revisit the mathematical properties of straight lines and constant angles, but, just to be clear, specifically, what do you mean by 'altitude'?

ETA: Welcome, halluminati.

[halluminati]

marpat
Do you think the sky being filled with persistent contrails most of the time has any detrimental effect on humans or the enviroment?

[steevo]

Now for the 'chemtrails' to be broken in such a manner would involve the engines being turned off and on

Is that a fact ? Or is it a Marpat "fact" ?

[john connor]

:rolleyes:Look at you, trying to tell people who they should listen to or who they shouldn't. Have you been elected into the thought police or been given a job to dictate who should listen to what?

If an official made a statement claiming people should not listen to David Icke then you would be kicking up a fuss that they were trying to repress his views in case people found out the truth.

People like you fear the views of other people and try to do what you can to stop people listening. If you did not fear my views then why would you need to make such a statement?

Tut Tut...didnt know I mentioned ANY names, then again as my dear old late mum would say "if the cap fits wear it"..they are spraying the shit out of us again today, with contrails that is:rolleyes: lucky guess on my part uh stating their would be a flu pandemic last hmmm Nov 11 on this forum...maybe I should do the lottery, then again £££££ wont be worth sh*t soon

[marpat]

marpat
Do you think the sky being filled with persistent contrails most of the time has any detrimental effect on humans or the enviroment?

Well I and my family and the people around me dont seem to be ill or suffering. How about you?

[marpat]

Is that a fact ? Or is it a Marpat "fact" ?

Well this information is in the forum. A number of people have claimed and speculated that the chemicals are in the fuel. This would mean turning engines on and off for there to be broken chemtrails would it not? perhaps you should read what others are posting before implying that I am making it up.

[steevo]

Well this information is in the forum. A number of people have claimed and speculated that the chemicals are in the fuel. This would mean turning engines on and off for there to be broken chemtrails would it not? perhaps you should read what others are posting before implying that I am making it up.

I have read the other posts Marpat. Yes it COULD be in the fuel, but not definitely (it could be separate to the fuel). So what you have said must be one of those Marpat "facts" then.

[marpat]

:rolleyes:

Tut Tut...didnt know I mentioned ANY names, then again as my dear old late mum would say "if the cap fits wear it"..they are spraying the shit out of us again today, with contrails that is:rolleyes: lucky guess on my part uh stating their would be a flu pandemic last hmmm Nov 11 on this forum...maybe I should do the lottery, then again £££££ wont be worth sh*t soon

But you did state that people should not listen to chemtrail deniers. Not only are you labelling people who are not conviced but you are telling people to ignore those people. This makes you almost like a gatekeeper, trying to tell other what they should listen to rather than allowing them to make their own minds up.

On what basis did you make such a guess about a pandemic? if money wont be worth anything soon then why do those in power wish to get their hands on as much as possible? have you started to wear a respirator?

[spock]

more sunday spraying. :rolleyes:

[marpat]

I have read the other posts Marpat. Yes it COULD be in the fuel, but not definitely (it could be separate to the fuel). So what you have said must be one of those Marpat "facts" then.

People made those claims and I commented on them so how does that make them one of my facts?

If its in the fuel then explain how these 'chemtrails' are broken? maybe they are just cocky pilots turning their engines off for a laugh :D

[steevo]

People made those claims and I commented on them so how does that make them one of my facts?

If its in the fuel then explain how these 'chemtrails' are broken? maybe they are just cocky pilots turning their engines off for a laugh :D

You are trying to make me go around in circles Marpat :cool: I know your little game.

[anthony65]

Chemtrails are the airborne component of a weather manipulation program that also invloves the ground component of TV masts, mobile phone masts, weather balls, etc. etc.

I posted some information about fake cloud generation a while ago. The fake / Haarp clouds can be generated by the masts and towers. It's well documented.

The reason why chemtrails do not form so well in come areas is that there are a great many towers and masts that have been gifted with orgonite.

No the chemtrails are not switched on and off.

No the chemtrails are not sprayed over cities rather than country areas.

But chemtrails are intrinsically linked to the ground-based network of towers and masts.

To test this for yourselves, get some orgonite and take it to one or more of the TV towers, mobile phone masts in your area. Observe the sky before, during and after gifting the location.

You may be very pleasantly surprised.

I await the marpat seal of disapproval with great anticipation.

As always I will remind him of the many threads he chosen to ignore, questions he sides-steps, facts he avoids...

If marpat disses orgonite then what more incentive could you have people? :)

[chaste]

marpat, did you miss my question? You seem to have answered everybody else's.

What, specifically, are you calling altitude?

[kryst]

I've recently made a video.... I suggest watching it in High Quality

"Infra-Red Satellite images of Western Europe that clearly show evidence of Chemtrail activity.

Images taken from sat24.nl in June 2009"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1h-s8HcRb8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1h-s8HcRb8

[flyermay]

I just noticed something else apart from the chemtrails

Look at this, taken just now in 3 different places over west London.

The sky is full of them!!! What the hell is going on????


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=4102

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=4101

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=4100

[steevo]

FlyerMay I saw the same thing here the other night (in Yorkshire).

[flyermay]

And more!!!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=4105

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=4104

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=4103

[flyermay]

And these ones are from yesterday, in case they have any relation.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=4107

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=4106

[flyermay]

FlyerMay I saw the same thing here the other night (in Yorkshire).

Do you, or anyone else, has any idea what are those 'waves'?

Don't they look similar to this picture from Alaska that Anthony posted last week?

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/06/04/gallery/gravity-waves-540x540.jpg

[john connor]

We got totally blitzed in the East Mids today....my frikkin camera battery died as I tried to zoom in on a black orb...BUT I did get the SOB from distance and also when I zoomed in on a pic of huge trails I spotted 2 orbs on top of each other ( maybe the chems makes them horny;)) I will get them uploaded to imageshack tomorrow and get them on here...of course the orbs are just really frozen Ice balls from the contrails.....nothing to see here

[anthony65]

Do you, or anyone else, has any idea what are those 'waves'?

Don't they look similar to this picture from Alaska that Anthony posted last week?

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/06/04/gallery/gravity-waves-540x540.jpg

Hi Flyermay,

It was actually Holy_wood who posted the excellent satellite pics. I just made the link to the Lofar installation in Holland, which another poster confirmed with some excellent graphics!

The ripple effect has been around for a long time now. I'd say that this is the ground-based elements of the weather manipulation madness. Haarp in Alaska, Lofar in Holand, EisKat in Norway, and many others...

But also the network of TV towers, mobile phone masts and weather balls (very powerful beasties those weatherballs).

I'll dig up and repost the fake cloud material I already posted somewhere on the forum.

[skunksmash]

Hi Flyermay,

It was actually Holy_wood who posted the excellent satellite pics. I just made the link to the Lofar installation in Holland, which another poster confirmed with some excellent graphics!

The ripple effect has been around for a long time now. I'd say that this is the ground-based elements of the weather manipulation madness. Haarp in Alaska, Lofar in Holand, EisKat in Norway, and many others...

But also the network of TV towers, mobile phone masts and weather balls (very powerful beasties those weatherballs).

I'll dig up and repost the fake cloud material I already posted somewhere on the forum.

lol.... thats how a radio wave propagates, is it not...??


what do you reckon marpat..??, naturally occurring...or man made.??



:)SK

[anthony65]

lol.... thats how a radio wave propagates, is it not...??


what do you reckon marpat..??, naturally occurring...or man made.??



:)SK

Marpat hasn't commented on this thread yet...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67205

Wonder why? :rolleyes:

Cos it's so fucking obvious perhaps?

Cos it contains facts?

[john connor]

here are 2 pics from yesterdays onslaught in the East Mids, caught 2 Orbs on camera too...would have had more but the damn battery went on the camera

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7595/14609.jpg

close up can you see the 2 Orbs?

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1504/orbsv.jpg

there is an orb in this too

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9360/14609a.jpg

its at about 11 oclock but cant blow it up very good, maybe I should invest in a decent camera, tho I personally would rather invest in other more practical hardware.

Of course the Orbs are merely snow balls formed from the contrails ice particles :rolleyes:

[flyermay]

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7595/14609.jpg



Wow, is that a chemtrail with 2 twists?

did you saw the plane who did it?

[john connor]

There were that many yesterday I cant remember what did what, the 'crazy' thing is....it seemed sometimes trails were just appearing....other times it seemed like planes were vanishing before my eyes, most of the time I watched 'real' planes, watching the spraying stop and start.


Thinking of doing a cover version of the old small faces song

"Hazy sunday afternoon, I got no time for chemtrails, close my eyes and drift away"


BTW those 2 orbs are under that twist so maybe admiring 'their' handywork

[fekdemasons]

here are 2 pics from yesterdays onslaught in the East Mids, caught 2 Orbs on camera too...would have had more but the damn battery went on the camera

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7595/14609.jpg

close up can you see the 2 Orbs?

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1504/orbsv.jpg

there is an orb in this too

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9360/14609a.jpg

its at about 11 oclock but cant blow it up very good, maybe I should invest in a decent camera, tho I personally would rather invest in other more practical hardware.

Of course the Orbs are merely snow balls formed from the contrails ice particles :rolleyes:

Hi John,

I'll repost a photo tomorrow of one of these suckers.

Its late and I'm on the LT

[chaste]

There were that many yesterday I cant remember what did what, the 'crazy' thing is....it seemed sometimes trails were just appearing....other times it seemed like planes were vanishing before my eyes, most of the time I watched 'real' planes, watching the spraying stop and start.


I've seen something like that, so maybe you're not crazy - out of nowhere a line started forming. Sometimes, even when an aircraft can be seen, it's not clear what it is/what shape it is (as it normally is when watching aeroplanes).
I've even seen one do a U-turn and then disappear into an apparently clear sky (although there was a haziness on closer inspection).

[john connor]

I've seen something like that, so maybe you're not crazy - out of nowhere a line started forming. Sometimes, even when an aircraft can be seen, it's not clear what it is/what shape it is (as it normally is when watching aeroplanes).
I've even seen one do a U-turn and then disappear into an apparently clear sky (although there was a haziness on closer inspection).

Thanks for that. I guess the Q's now with the Orbs is whats their role in the spraying? where do they originate ? I'm sure they take samples from observing them.

[fekdemasons]

I took some chemtrail pics a while back and saw a plane in the distance which appeared to be circling the area. THought I'd take a snap of it and then noticed the object in the foreground.

My first thought was maybe a bird diving , but cant rule out an orb.

Maybe their benevolent and trying to negate the chems ? Are they what causes the Sylphs that seem to disburse the trails on ocasion ?

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1649/chemtrails003.th.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chemtrails003.jpg)

[mystic nomad]

As far as I can make out the chemical that is in the fuel is Ethyl-diBromide (?) the stuff that was taken out of petrol and made it unleaded, this isn't the general spew that comes out and so wouldn't be turned on or off. The effect this causes is the "rainbow" effect around ab-normal clouds and perhaps can only be seen when at the correct angles for light refraction etc.

The rippling effect is (again as far as I can make out) what Anthony has said. I am unfortunate enough to be in the middle of a lot of this hardware and there is one place in particular that these "ripples" seem to disperse from. The ground zero for the "pebble" dropped into the sky.

I don't think that the object's in John Conners pics are orbs as I understand them or the ones I see. These objects look more cylindrical, I don't know whether that's because of a shake and the distance involved or what. My personal feelings on the Orbs are that they are on our side. The first ones I saw were about 22 years ago, 2 of them, stopping and moving faster than the eye. The same things that NASA see a lot from the shuttle and when they move they seem to send little shockwaves out in the atmosphere around them.

The planes that do weird stuff like U turns, disappearing, re-appearing and stuff seems to be becoming more and more frequent, also following/creating dark straight lines in front of the plane.

As for health effects I don't think that is the whole idea here, no doubt America and maybe other places have been hit hard previously but the trails we are seeing at the moment are maybe slowly lowering immune systems and no doubt contributing to bronchial complaints and asthma, poisoning our air, land and water but I think it's real purpose is psychological ie weather manipulation and mind control. For instance and simply, what is more depressing than grey slushy skies.

We can fight this by staying positive, having faith in the fact that Mother Nature is way, way bigger and more powerful than any weedy little Illuminati plan and on a personal level looking for solutions that really do exist.

Orgonite, get it, test it, benef it. :)

[john connor]

As far as I can make out the chemical that is in the fuel is Ethyl-diBromide (?) the stuff that was taken out of petrol and made it unleaded, this isn't the general spew that comes out and so wouldn't be turned on or off. The effect this causes is the "rainbow" effect around ab-normal clouds and perhaps can only be seen when at the correct angles for light refraction etc.

The rippling effect is (again as far as I can make out) what Anthony has said. I am unfortunate enough to be in the middle of a lot of this hardware and there is one place in particular that these "ripples" seem to disperse from. The ground zero for the "pebble" dropped into the sky.

I don't think that the object's in John Conners pics are orbs as I understand them or the ones I see. These objects look more cylindrical, I don't know whether that's because of a shake and the distance involved or what. My personal feelings on the Orbs are that they are on our side. The first ones I saw were about 22 years ago, 2 of them, stopping and moving faster than the eye. The same things that NASA see a lot from the shuttle and when they move they seem to send little shockwaves out in the atmosphere around them.

The planes that do weird stuff like U turns, disappearing, re-appearing and stuff seems to be becoming more and more frequent, also following/creating dark straight lines in front of the plane.

As for health effects I don't think that is the whole idea here, no doubt America and maybe other places have been hit hard previously but the trails we are seeing at the moment are maybe slowly lowering immune systems and no doubt contributing to bronchial complaints and asthma, poisoning our air, land and water but I think it's real purpose is psychological ie weather manipulation and mind control. For instance and simply, what is more depressing than grey slushy skies.

We can fight this by staying positive, having faith in the fact that Mother Nature is way, way bigger and more powerful than any weedy little Illuminati plan and on a personal level looking for solutions that really do exist.

Orgonite, get it, test it, benef it. :)

perhaps 'Orbs' isnt the right word...at a loss to know what to call round metallic objects whizzing thro the air....I swear they are getting lower....first few times I saw them ...was just single 'balls' (ahem) now seeing them in pairs , and yes I was sober:D

[kryst]

Anyone in the uk notice the white fluff? It could just be like somekind of seed, but I've often seen massive clumps come down in batches. It's really fibrous and doesn't have any visible seeds in it!

[john connor]

Anyone in the uk notice the white fluff? It could just be like somekind of seed, but I've often seen massive clumps come down in batches. It's really fibrous and doesn't have any visible seeds in it!


no not yet...fibrous as in morgellons type fibres?

[mystic nomad]

perhaps 'Orbs' isnt the right word...at a loss to know what to call round metallic objects whizzing thro the air....I swear they are getting lower....first few times I saw them ...was just single 'balls' (ahem) now seeing them in pairs , and yes I was sober:D

Well if they are round and metallic, they'll be orbs. I was just going from what my old eyes could see in the pic.

kryst Anyone in the uk notice the white fluff? It could just be like somekind of seed, but I've often seen massive clumps come down in batches. It's really fibrous and doesn't have any visible seeds in it!

Can you get pics of it? It could well be Willow seeds (pussy willow) or Polplar. Is it wet or dry? When you pick it up does it go like cotton wool, does it gather in clumps on the ground where the wind blows it or does it fly through the air or descend in big clumps? Perhaps a good test would be to try and get it to seed on damp cotton wool or tissue paper, if it's seed it should germinate pretty quick if you can keep it moist like in a jam jar or something.

[john connor]

Well if they are round and metallic, they'll be orbs. I was just going from what my old eyes could see in the pic.



Can you get pics of it? It could well be Willow seeds (pussy willow) or Polplar. Is it wet or dry? When you pick it up does it go like cotton wool, does it gather in clumps on the ground where the wind blows it or does it fly through the air or descend in big clumps? Perhaps a good test would be to try and get it to seed on damp cotton wool or tissue paper, if it's seed it should germinate pretty quick if you can keep it moist like in a jam jar or something.

the pic has 1 on top of the other..thats why it looks tubulor....there is 1 in the other pic as well at about 11 oclock..you have to really zoom in tho..that was the one I tried to get on video but the damn battery was dead..that will teach me....I just knew they would be about as the spraying was so heavy

[anthony65]

Orbs = foo fighters perhaps?

Or some variant on that theme.

We were discussing the orange orbs recently that reminded my a lot of the foo fighter stories from WW2 where apparently all sides saw them. And they were incredibly agile but not aggressive from what I read.

The orbs being seen now could be something similar.

In which case, they are either neutral ET, partisan ET (good or bad) or manmade...

I don't fuckin' know! :p

[john connor]

Orbs = foo fighters perhaps?

Or some variant on that theme.

We were discussing the orange orbs recently that reminded my a lot of the foo fighter stories from WW2 where apparently all sides saw them. And they were incredibly agile but not aggressive from what I read.

The orbs being seen now could be something similar.

In which case, they are either neutral ET, partisan ET (good or bad) or manmade...

I don't fuckin' know! :p


No I dont know either...interested to know just how they fly....

[spock]

from today
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/16062009878.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/16062009879.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/16062009877.jpg

[kryst]

no not yet...fibrous as in morgellons type fibres?

Yup. It looks a bit like stringy cotton wool - it could be 'used chem-clouds' or something...

[chaste]

Thanks for that. I guess the Q's now with the Orbs is whats their role in the spraying? where do they originate ? I'm sure they take samples from observing them.

What are orbs, or what are they considered to be? Are they like moving lights?



The planes that do weird stuff like U turns, disappearing, re-appearing and stuff seems to be becoming more and more frequent, also following/creating dark straight lines in front of the plane.

It's nice to know that it's not just my imagination, mystic nomad. At the risk of seeming a bit mad again - are you still seeing aeroplanes making these trails? It's just that recently whatever has been doing it here has seemed much smaller and of indeterminate shape. Coincidentally, a plane just went past and it was easy to see exactly what it was but not with these things.

Also, to anyone, is the sky really 'clear' when it's cloudless, lately? It just seems like a possible explanation for things which seem to disappear and other strange stuff like rain falling from a clear, blue sky (anyone else experienced this or is it a natural phenomenon?).

[gaznix]

I recently came across this guy - Freeman - some ace material on his sites. Here are two that fit into this thread:-

http://www.freemantv.com/video/haarp.shtml

http://www.freemantv.com/video/freemantalkschemtrails.shtml

Namaste,

Lenny

[john connor]

What are orbs, or what are they considered to be? Are they like moving lights?




It's nice to know that it's not just my imagination, mystic nomad. At the risk of seeming a bit mad again - are you still seeing aeroplanes making these trails? It's just that recently whatever has been doing it here has seemed much smaller and of indeterminate shape. Coincidentally, a plane just went past and it was easy to see exactly what it was but not with these things.

Also, to anyone, is the sky really 'clear' when it's cloudless, lately? It just seems like a possible explanation for things which seem to disappear and other strange stuff like rain falling from a clear, blue sky (anyone else experienced this or is it a natural phenomenon?).

Thats the $1 million Q...I have no idea and I doubt Orb is even the correct word....they appear to be metallic and move at fast speed...when I have taken photo's of them I have captured what I saw..ie a solid object...but other photo's make them look transparent, like bubbles :confused:

[mystic nomad]

Are we confusing "Foo Fighter" orbs in the upper atmosphere and the "Etheric" orbs that kind of float around us and will generally? My feelings are that the metallic orbs that are showing up frequently around these trails, crop circles etc. are not earthly creations however the Etheric orbs are pure spirit energy and seem to be increasingly picked up by digital photography, which is great :)

Sometimes in daylight it appears the metallic orbs emit(?) a light/s, they flash on and off and even change colour. The ones I have seen at night (guessing that's what they were) looked like stars, stationery in the night sky but then shot off to another position and stopped dead, stayed for a while and then shot off to another position and stopped dead. NASA have footage from the space shuttle showing this sort of thing but there you can see that the orbs have a fast rotation round a single axis (like the earth) and also that they look metallic, when they move they send out what I can only describe as a rippling shockwave.

It's nice to know that it's not just my imagination, mystic nomad. At the risk of seeming a bit mad again - are you still seeing aeroplanes making these trails? It's just that recently whatever has been doing it here has seemed much smaller and of indeterminate shape. Coincidentally, a plane just went past and it was easy to see exactly what it was but not with these things.

Also, to anyone, is the sky really 'clear' when it's cloudless, lately? It just seems like a possible explanation for things which seem to disappear and other strange stuff like rain falling from a clear, blue sky (anyone else experienced this or is it a natural phenomenon?).

It's not your imagination but it's healthy to always question what you think you are seeing :)
I'm not sure about rain falling from a clear blue sky, Ive always felt the odd drop or two on hot days and tree's will precipitate water droplets from their leaves on hot days. I think planes still discharge liquid waste as they are flying and also the contrail water vapour/ice crystals maybe falling to ground instead of forming clouds on hot days.

Yes I still see planes laying these trails, there maybe one or two times when I can't see a plane and a trail is being formed but this has been in hazy skies, so can't be sure.
Although I live near Luton airport it's pretty rural and I don't think I see the same amount of activity as other places, the handy thing is though that any change in air traffic patterns is instantly obvious, so when trails are being laid the increase in air activity and the directions in which these planes are flying is definitely out of the ordinary.

As I watch these activity's in the sky and try and judge altitudes, I reckon that on a clear day no matter how high a plane is flying I can hear it, whereas these trail laying "craft" seem to travel a lot faster and I'm sure I can't hear them, tying this in with the absurd amount of planes you would need to cover the world in this spew and nobody yet coming forward with conclusive evidence of where these planes are taking off and landing from I'm unsure whether these craft are actual physical aeroplanes like we know them, at all :confused:

[anthony65]

Are we confusing "Foo Fighter" orbs in the upper atmosphere and the "Etheric" orbs that kind of float around us and will generally? My feelings are that the metallic orbs that are showing up frequently around these trails, crop circles etc. are not earthly creations however the Etheric orbs are pure spirit energy and seem to be increasingly picked up by digital photography, which is great :)

Sometimes in daylight it appears the metallic orbs emit(?) a light/s, they flash on and off and even change colour. The ones I have seen at night (guessing that's what they were) looked like stars, stationery in the night sky but then shot off to another position and stopped dead, stayed for a while and then shot off to another position and stopped dead. NASA have footage from the space shuttle showing this sort of thing but there you can see that the orbs have a fast rotation round a single axis (like the earth) and also that they look metallic, when they move they send out what I can only describe as a rippling shockwave.



It's not your imagination but it's healthy to always question what you think you are seeing :)
I'm not sure about rain falling from a clear blue sky, Ive always felt the odd drop or two on hot days and tree's will precipitate water droplets from their leaves on hot days. I think planes still discharge liquid waste as they are flying and also the contrail water vapour/ice crystals maybe falling to ground instead of forming clouds on hot days.

Yes I still see planes laying these trails, there maybe one or two times when I can't see a plane and a trail is being formed but this has been in hazy skies, so can't be sure.
Although I live near Luton airport it's pretty rural and I don't think I see the same amount of activity as other places, the handy thing is though that any change in air traffic patterns is instantly obvious, so when trails are being laid the increase in air activity and the directions in which these planes are flying is definitely out of the ordinary.

As I watch these activity's in the sky and try and judge altitudes, I reckon that on a clear day no matter how high a plane is flying I can hear it, whereas these trail laying "craft" seem to travel a lot faster and I'm sure I can't hear them, tying this in with the absurd amount of planes you would need to cover the world in this spew and nobody yet coming forward with conclusive evidence of where these planes are taking off and landing from I'm unsure whether these craft are actual physical aeroplanes like we know them, at all :confused:

Yep, there's orbs and orbs...

I don't think anyone is confusing them, but maybe not bad to distinguish the names sometimes...

Nice observations! :)

It used to be easy to find good YouTube videos of UFO orbs laying chemtrails, but then were there suddenly loads of orb videos to search through, mostly with either no relevance or poor quality.

Does anyone have some good links?

[kryst]

I'll try and get a sample of the White fluff and post results.

As for the orbs, I saw something weird the other day; a really shiny orb on the nose of a plane, with the rest of the plane looking a weird grey colour. There was no sound and I think it was spraying... My first thought was that it was an orb being followed by (or projecting behind) a hologram, as the plane looked 'badly drawn' in a way.

[1freethinker]

Yep, there's orbs and orbs...

I don't think anyone is confusing them, but maybe not bad to distinguish the names sometimes...

Nice observations! :)

It used to be easy to find good YouTube videos of UFO orbs laying chemtrails, but then were there suddenly loads of orb videos to search through, mostly with either no relevance or poor quality.

Does anyone have some good links?

right, what happen to orbspirit from youtube? his vids were second to none.


my area was sprayed so much past 3 days that if this stuff was for are benefit.....they REALLY REALLY LOVE US around here and i mean REALLY:rolleyes:

[lookfar]

I recently came across this guy - Freeman - some ace material on his sites. Here are two that fit into this thread:-

http://www.freemantv.com/video/haarp.shtml

http://www.freemantv.com/video/freemantalkschemtrails.shtml

Namaste,

Lenny

Hi Lenny

Freeman is also a member of the forum. You can view his posts here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2124369). Although he hasn't logged in since 18 March, it's good that he's contributed:)

[fekdemasons]

Orbs = foo fighters perhaps?

Or some variant on that theme.

We were discussing the orange orbs recently that reminded my a lot of the foo fighter stories from WW2 where apparently all sides saw them. And they were incredibly agile but not aggressive from what I read.

The orbs being seen now could be something similar.

In which case, they are either neutral ET, partisan ET (good or bad) or manmade...

I don't fuckin' know! :p

No these are Foofighters :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVKDQgT_b-Y

[john connor]

Another glorious HAZY sky in the East Midlands. they were up bright and early today..chembows a plenty

[21_12_2012]

Can someone help me find a thread that was on the forum a day or 2 ago please.
(i think it was in the general section or todays news, but i cant find it.)

It was a forum members video of a chemtrail plane over his house, and he filmed
it actually switching the trail off.

I've tried finding it and can't, i want to show it to some people...family
friends and stuff.

Thanks. Sorry, can't remember the forum members name or the name of the thread.

[john connor]

Can someone help me find a thread that was on the forum a day or 2 ago please.
(i think it was in the general section or todays news, but i cant find it.)

It was a forum members video of a chemtrail plane over his house, and he filmed
it actually switching the trail off.

I've tried finding it and can't, i want to show it to some people...family
friends and stuff.

Thanks. Sorry, can't remember the forum members name or the name of the thread.


have you downloaded "dont talk about the weather" ? great dvd filmed by a guy up in the NW ..it has clips of planes switching on and off in that..Ive given out at least 30 of these

[21_12_2012]

have you downloaded "dont talk about the weather" ? great dvd filmed by a guy up in the NW ..it has clips of planes switching on and off in that..Ive given out at least 30 of these

I will have a look for that cheers.

[john connor]

I will have a look for that cheers.

I think im still one of the seeders so you can d/l it pretty fast..well worth it...woke a few sheeple up with that film

[franky000]

http://www.imagecabin.com/files/2009/06/18/thumbs/245363971e7e92be9f3a609e4.jpg (http://www.imagecabin.com/?view=245363971e7e92be9f3a609e4)

The skies over Leicester today were chemtrailed like there's no tomorrow, but that didn't stop this beauty from cropping up. :)

[mystic nomad]

This was posted by Chattanova in another thread

http://www.4shared.com/file/106711247/c11b7bcd/Live_Chemtrailing_2007-06-28_8h45_Dover_UK.html

[marpat]

I am just wondering, in the thread on orgonite several people claim that this stuff has helped to remove chemtrails from over their homes, etc. so have any people in the chemtrail threads actually built any of these 'chemtrail busters' that are orgonite powered? it would be interesting to see what result came about. It would also be a practical step towards removing the problem I would have though.

[anthony65]

I am just wondering, in the thread on orgonite several people claim that this stuff has helped to remove chemtrails from over their homes, etc. so have any people in the chemtrail threads actually built any of these 'chemtrail busters' that are orgonite powered? it would be interesting to see what result came about. It would also be a practical step towards removing the problem I would have though.

When I first found out about chemtrails 2 and a half years ago I was absolutely amazed to see the daily (and nightly spraying) in the sky above where we live.

Chemtrails spraying is linked to the ground based TV masts, mobile phone towers, radar installations, etc. The ground based equipment creates fake / haarp clouds and enables the chemtrails to stick better.

When I first bought and assembled an orgonite chembuster, the first thing we noted was that the bees came buzzing over to investigate. They flew around the area above the pipes. It was a cloudy day and the chembuster was set up close to the house. In the sky we could see a semi-circular hole appear in the clouds. I assume the energy was being blocked by the house at this stage.

Soon after we started gifting towers with orgonite. We had some amazing experiences and fortunately my wife was there to experience some of these moments with me, so she quickly became a believer, if not quite an enthusiastic believer (other priorities!).

Very often, the skies over the biggest and baddest of the towers would clear up as we appoached. We also witnessed the beautiful "sylph" clouds after gifting. Some people say that these are air elementals and I would agree them. But even if you don't believe that, they are beautiful!

We now enjoy much, much more blue skies than we did back then. Less severe weather. Lots of benefits.

It's great to see that many people on the forum are trying this out for themselves.

For those who are looking for inspiration...

Recent gifting in Cyprus with over 1000 pieces of orgonite!

The pictures tell it all! Lots of them, so they take a while to load!

http://www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/viewtopic.php?t=1893

[marpat]

So you are claiming that the stuff does have this effect? I have ordered some but am considering making some to see if it is effective and at what.

What makes me curious though is that many people in here are aware of the stuff yet they claim there are chemtrails over their houses. Cant they just clear them away by using this stuff or do they not use it? if they dont use it then why not?

[pbeng]

I saw two planes today flying in the same direction quite close to each other making chemtrails,i was out jogging so i couldn't take a picture,il try next time though as they seem to be pretty persistent where i live.

[anthony65]

So you are claiming that the stuff does have this effect? I have ordered some but am considering making some to see if it is effective and at what.

What makes me curious though is that many people in here are aware of the stuff yet they claim there are chemtrails over their houses. Cant they just clear them away by using this stuff or do they not use it? if they dont use it then why not?

I'm relating some of my experiences with orgonite.

Many other people have experienced the same.

There actually aren't that many people here who were aware of orgonite until recently. And even less who actually tried it out for themselves.

And once you are actually aware of the number of TV towers, mobile phone masts, radar installations, etc. etc. then you will realize that this is a mammoth task. Truly David against Goliath.

But every little helps.

There are reports about orgonite boosting plant growth. An experiment you can try out for yourself.

There was a report in the Telegraph from people at Glastonbury who were using orgonite to combat electro smog. One of them posted on the forum.

Have you seen the lofar thread yet? The haarp like installation in Holland? This gives you an idea of the scope of the weather manipulation program.

And the vast majority of the people involved have absolutely no idea of the bigger picture.

I wonder what the cancer rates are for mobile phone engineers? radar operators, land-based and ship-based. Especially the poor buggars on the ships! They must be getting fried!

Try it out with an open mind. Orgonite enhances the natural properties of crystals in the resin / metal shaving mix. These properties have been recognized throughout history and across cultural boundaries. The same applies to the etheric aspects to orgonite. Chi, prana, ether, cosmic energy...

This is what it is all about!

Energy.

Some like it bad. Some like it good. Orgonite transmutes negative orgone into positive orgone. It's a simple, wonderful thing! :)

The orgonite thread is one of the busiest on the forum!

And it's getting busier!

Thank crunchy for orgonite! :)

[anthony65]

I saw two planes today flying in the same direction quite close to each other making chemtrails,i was out jogging so i couldn't take a picture,il try next time though as they seem to be pretty persistent where i live.

Could be your area needs some orgonite! ;)

[marpat]

I'm relating some of my experiences with orgonite.

Many other people have experienced the same.

There actually aren't that many people here who were aware of orgonite until recently. And even less who actually tried it out for themselves.

And once you are actually aware of the number of TV towers, mobile phone masts, radar installations, etc. etc. then you will realize that this is a mammoth task. Truly David against Goliath.

But every little helps.

There are reports about orgonite boosting plant growth. An experiment you can try out for yourself.

There was a report in the Telegraph from people at Glastonbury who were using orgonite to combat electro smog. One of them posted on the forum.

Have you seen the lofar thread yet? The haarp like installation in Holland? This gives you an idea of the scope of the weather manipulation program.

And the vast majority of the people involved have absolutely no idea of the bigger picture.

I wonder what the cancer rates are for mobile phone engineers? radar operators, land-based and ship-based. Especially the poor buggars on the ships! They must be getting fried!

Try it out with an open mind. Orgonite enhances the natural properties of crystals in the resin / metal shaving mix. These properties have been recognized throughout history and across cultural boundaries. The same applies to the etheric aspects to orgonite. Chi, prana, ether, cosmic energy...

This is what it is all about!

Energy.

Some like it bad. Some like it good. Orgonite transmutes negative orgone into positive orgone. It's a simple, wonderful thing! :)

The orgonite thread is one of the busiest on the forum!

And it's getting busier!

Thank crunchy for orgonite! :)

Well I am sure I will find out when mine arrvies. Must admit though, I do feel that stories of helicopters buzzing people who have the stuff sound a bit far out.

[chaste]

I saw two planes today flying in the same direction quite close to each other making chemtrails,i was out jogging so i couldn't take a picture,il try next time though as they seem to be pretty persistent where i live.

Something similar here but, again, they weren't discernibly planes. A line was forming in the sky but what was forming it was too minuscule to see. Then, lo and behold, what had seemed to be one aircraft then became two (at least two lines started to form). Then the trail stopped for a bit then resumed, and so on. What was interesting (and worrying) about this is that what it leaves behind goes on to make something that greater resembles real clouds as opposed to the usual lines, grids, crosses, etc..



Ahh, you're back, marpat. I'm almost starting to think that you're avoiding my question about what your definition of altitude is - do feel free to enlighten me, though, if you don't miss my query again.

[marpat]

Something similar here but, again, they weren't discernibly planes. A line was forming in the sky but what was forming it was too minuscule to see. Then, lo and behold, what had seemed to be one aircraft then became two (at least two lines started to form). Then the trail stopped for a bit then resumed, and so on. What was interesting (and worrying) about this is that what it leaves behind goes on to make something that greater resembles real clouds as opposed to the usual lines, grids, crosses, etc..



Ahh, you're back, marpat. I'm almost starting to think that you're avoiding my question about what your definition of altitude is - do feel free to enlighten me, though, if you don't miss my query again.

I would generally call altitude a measure of vertical height but here is a nice link for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitude

So what did you mean by it? you claimed those planes were at about the same altitude. The question is absolutely pointless anyway. You cannot make accurate measurements about things that far away by eyesight, no matter how you want to label height.

[griswald]

Well I am sure I will find out when mine arrvies. Must admit though, I do feel that stories of helicopters buzzing people who have the stuff sound a bit far out.

Well it does happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNH9uUKt_qU&feature=channel_page

But I thought you were in the military, and you would have heard of it. I thought you dismissed the idea of chemtrails, why do you want to get orgonite then, have you come over from the darkside:rolleyes:

griswald

[antinwo]

When I first found out about chemtrails 2 and a half years ago I was absolutely amazed to see the daily (and nightly spraying) in the sky above where we live.

Chemtrails spraying is linked to the ground based TV masts, mobile phone towers, radar installations, etc. The ground based equipment creates fake / haarp clouds and enables the chemtrails to stick better.

When I first bought and assembled an orgonite chembuster, the first thing we noted was that the bees came buzzing over to investigate. They flew around the area above the pipes. It was a cloudy day and the chembuster was set up close to the house. In the sky we could see a semi-circular hole appear in the clouds. I assume the energy was being blocked by the house at this stage.

Soon after we started gifting towers with orgonite. We had some amazing experiences and fortunately my wife was there to experience some of these moments with me, so she quickly became a believer, if not quite an enthusiastic believer (other priorities!).

Very often, the skies over the biggest and baddest of the towers would clear up as we appoached. We also witnessed the beautiful "sylph" clouds after gifting. Some people say that these are air elementals and I would agree them. But even if you don't believe that, they are beautiful!

We now enjoy much, much more blue skies than we did back then. Less severe weather. Lots of benefits.

It's great to see that many people on the forum are trying this out for themselves.

For those who are looking for inspiration...

Recent gifting in Cyprus with over 1000 pieces of orgonite!

The pictures tell it all! Lots of them, so they take a while to load!

http://www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/viewtopic.php?t=1893

That was a great read thanks. So it seems that mobile phone masts aren't actually mobile phone masts??? But some kind of HAARP experiment, am I correct??

[chaste]

I would generally call altitude a measure of vertical height but here is a nice link for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitude

So what did you mean by it? you claimed those planes were at about the same altitude. The question is absolutely pointless anyway. You cannot make accurate measurements about things that far away by eyesight, no matter how you want to label height.

I was referring to an earlier question in response to a question you addressed to someone else, which you seem to have missed for some reason, not the incidence of a narrow line becoming two divergent ones, as so often happens with commercial aircraft:





Quote:
Originally Posted by marpat
Explain how you know those aircraft are at about the same altitude


Would you care to explain how the three 'planes I saw flying one above the other, with sizeable distances between, all left the same trail?

Or how aircraft flying on 310-degree bearings (in profile) leave such trails when flying near rooftops and yet leave no trail when in the highest reaches of the same flight? Would that constitute different altitudes or do we need to resurrect Pythagoras?



"The question is absolutely pointless anyway. You cannot make accurate measurements about things that far away by eyesight, no matter how you want to label height."

I wouldn't say it was absolutely pointless if you had a frame of reference, a photo and a knowledge of mathematical properties, but I'm just checking to see if the expertise to which you allude attributed some other definition to altitude. If it's, essentially, vertical height and the same plane is leaving a persistent trail low down and not up high then where does that leave the argument that the persistence is all down to high altitudes?

[anthony65]

That was a great read thanks. So it seems that mobile phone masts aren't actually mobile phone masts??? But some kind of HAARP experiment, am I correct??

Multi-purpose I'd say. Not just weather control, but also mind control.

Just look at all the different bits and bobs on them.

The drums are the worst from my experience.

Whenever you see drums on them, especially the big bass drums, then gift a little extra orgonite.

[anthony65]

Well I am sure I will find out when mine arrvies. Must admit though, I do feel that stories of helicopters buzzing people who have the stuff sound a bit far out.

They might sound a bit far out, but I've had my share of helicopter experiences, including the black ones.

I assume they react to perceptible changes in the energy matrix.

One of my most impressive experiences was when I banged in an earthpipe (28mm copper pipe, 30cm long, 2/3 filled with orgonite) close to a tower.

I had my back to the sky of course, kneeling down, banging in the pipe with a hammer, when I felt / almost heard a ripping noise above me. I looked up and saw a tear forming in the clouds. The tear widened a little and then started running for kilometers in the sky. It was just like a pair of trousers ripping at the seams when some fat bloke bends over.

Amazing!

A rip in the energy matrix!

The energy game has been going on for countless generations: pyramids, megaliths, temples, groves, churches, cathedrals, monuments, government buildings, TV masts, etc. etc. All involve the natural energy grid, leylines, etc. that criss cross the earth.

There are people who have always had an interest in perverting this energy grid. Haarp and accompanying projects are the latest installment in a long running game. Orgonite is the latest response by the good guys who protect the grid.

Orgonite! What an adventure! :)

[marpat]

Well it does happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNH9uUKt_qU&feature=channel_page

But I thought you were in the military, and you would have heard of it. I thought you dismissed the idea of chemtrails, why do you want to get orgonite then, have you come over from the darkside:rolleyes:

griswald

Grow up and stop being so ridiculous. I am interested in many alternative things, have been for a long time. Juts because I am not convinced about chemtrails it does not mean anything else. Also, who is to say that a video of a flying helicopter has anything to do with people using orgonite? this is another example of how gullible people are. I could easily get viedo footage like that and then make a claim about being buzzed. Maybe people who make the stuff do such things to give their work credibility so that they get more sales.

Can you tell me why anybody in the military should have heard of orgonite?

[marpat]

I was referring to an earlier question in response to a question you addressed to someone else, which you seem to have missed for some reason, not the incidence of a narrow line becoming two divergent ones, as so often happens with commercial aircraft:





Quote:
Originally Posted by marpat
Explain how you know those aircraft are at about the same altitude


Would you care to explain how the three 'planes I saw flying one above the other, with sizeable distances between, all left the same trail?

Or how aircraft flying on 310-degree bearings (in profile) leave such trails when flying near rooftops and yet leave no trail when in the highest reaches of the same flight? Would that constitute different altitudes or do we need to resurrect Pythagoras?



"The question is absolutely pointless anyway. You cannot make accurate measurements about things that far away by eyesight, no matter how you want to label height."

I wouldn't say it was absolutely pointless if you had a frame of reference, a photo and a knowledge of mathematical properties, but I'm just checking to see if the expertise to which you allude attributed some other definition to altitude. If it's, essentially, vertical height and the same plane is leaving a persistent trail low down and not up high then where does that leave the argument that the persistence is all down to high altitudes?

A frame of reference, such as what? another aircraft that you know to be of specific dimensions and is at a very specific height? never said I was an expert at such things but I do know about the pitfalls of judging distance under various conditions.

Well now that you have it completely sussed out you should go public with, perhaps challenging some politicians and asking for answer.

Can you explain how you know that a persistant trail is low down? if you have an aircraft at say 35,000ft and one at 30,000 they are both seperated by quite a margin but both are at high altitude. You seem to feel you are an expert in the matter and can call on pythagoras to prove your point.

[chaste]

A frame of reference, such as what? another aircraft that you know to be of specific dimensions and is at a very specific height? never said I was an expert at such things but I do know about the pitfalls of judging distance under various conditions.

Well now that you have it completely sussed out you should go public with, perhaps challenging some politicians and asking for answer.

Can you explain how you know that a persistant trail is low down? if you have an aircraft at say 35,000ft and one at 30,000 they are both seperated by quite a margin but both are at high altitude. You seem to feel you are an expert in the matter and can call on pythagoras to prove your point.


A frame of reference such as the street below it? Houses tend to be of quite specific dimensions because of the majority of people not being 3-foot tall or 8-foot tall, and if you can calculate the horizontal distance and know the angle, you can calculate the height.

I guess I'm not making myself clear - if a plane is flying on an upward incline and is leaving a persistent contrail initially (i.e. when it is at its lowest point), if it stops making that persistent contrail when it is considerably higher up, is it logical to say that so-called persistent contrails are the result of greater vertical heights?

[fekdemasons]

you'll never win :rolleyes:

[chaste]

Well, I might never get an answer but I might find out something along the way. This stuff's pretty new to me, so I'm just trying to find out more about it - I can't say I know that we're being sprayed with chemicals but if it's happened before, as reported, and I keep witnessing the most bizarre phenomena (including another one today that might explain why I haven't been able to say what's leaving the trails in the last month or so), it's not something that can be ruled out. If it turns out that no-one can answer the question, well, that's kind of answer enough for me.

[griswald]

Grow up and stop being so ridiculous. I am interested in many alternative things, have been for a long time. Juts because I am not convinced about chemtrails it does not mean anything else. Also, who is to say that a video of a flying helicopter has anything to do with people using orgonite? this is another example of how gullible people are. I could easily get viedo footage like that and then make a claim about being buzzed. Maybe people who make the stuff do such things to give their work credibility so that they get more sales.

Can you tell me why anybody in the military should have heard of orgonite?

Sorry I upset you marpat, when i used the ;), I thought you would know I was pulling your leg.

I,m delighted for you that you are going to try out the orgonite for yourself, as I know you,ll be amazed at what its effect will be. It will give you a whole new perspective to consider, and you will enjoy your journey. Nice to see you have an open mind on the orgonite perspective, as you cant put anything into a closed one.

Just to clarify, I dont make orgonite to sell. And any place I have ever bought it from , has never made extreme amounts from selling it to me. More than likely it barely covered the material cost, definitely not the labour. I know, I,ve made it my self, as well as buying it. But you will find that out for yourself when you buy some.

As for the helicoptor video, when you get into orgonite thing, it sometimes happens that these occur. I dont know whether there is any connection. As for getting your hands on that video clip, I doubt it very much. Unless of course I invite you over for tea. Then I could show you the clip, and then give you a tour of my garden where it flew over, the day after I bought some orgonite and put it into my tunnel. I took it.:) Welcome to your journey, and have fun.

griswald

[marpat]

A frame of reference such as the street below it? Houses tend to be of quite specific dimensions because of the majority of people not being 3-foot tall or 8-foot tall, and if you can calculate the horizontal distance and know the angle, you can calculate the height.

I guess I'm not making myself clear - if a plane is flying on an upward incline and is leaving a persistent contrail initially (i.e. when it is at its lowest point), if it stops making that persistent contrail when it is considerably higher up, is it logical to say that so-called persistent contrails are the result of greater vertical heights?

It is just one possibility. Persistant contrails are caused by atmospheric conditions so it would depend on exactly how things were at any given height, a factor that you eyes cannot account for as such. What you try and describe is indicental.

I think your reference idea is flawed. Horizontal distance? are you telling me that you intend to calculate the ground distance to the point below the supposed aircraft then use that as a calculation? and how do you know exactly where that point is? you cant judge such distance with things in your way and factors such as light and elevation influence perception of distance. Not only that but you would have to take an accurate measurement of the anlge. Have you ever carried out such a calculation with accurate results? I certainly doubt that you have.

[marpat]

Sorry I upset you marpat, when i used the ;), I thought you would know I was pulling your leg.

I,m delighted for you that you are going to try out the orgonite for yourself, as I know you,ll be amazed at what its effect will be. It will give you a whole new perspective to consider, and you will enjoy your journey. Nice to see you have an open mind on the orgonite perspective, as you cant put anything into a closed one.

Just to clarify, I dont make orgonite to sell. And any place I have ever bought it from , has never made extreme amounts from selling it to me. More than likely it barely covered the material cost, definitely not the labour. I know, I,ve made it my self, as well as buying it. But you will find that out for yourself when you buy some.

As for the helicoptor video, when you get into orgonite thing, it sometimes happens that these occur. I dont know whether there is any connection. As for getting your hands on that video clip, I doubt it very much. Unless of course I invite you over for tea. Then I could show you the clip, and then give you a tour of my garden where it flew over, the day after I bought some orgonite and put it into my tunnel. I took it.:) Welcome to your journey, and have fun.

griswald

I would have no trouble making such a video clip myself and making such a claim. I have read about the idea of combinations of organic and non-organic items having an influence, which is said to be the reason some ancient tombs contain such materials, but I still seriously doubt that helicopters will suddenly appear where there is orgonite. When you say it sometimes happens that these things occur what it sounds like you are saying that it is just a coincidence, but when people believe there is no such thing then they begin to read significance into such occurences. What if the helicopter was buzzing somebody else for a totally different reason?

[griswald]

I would have no trouble making such a video clip myself and making such a claim. I have read about the idea of combinations of organic and non-organic items having an influence, which is said to be the reason some ancient tombs contain such materials, but I still seriously doubt that helicopters will suddenly appear where there is orgonite. When you say it sometimes happens that these things occur what it sounds like you are saying that it is just a coincidence, but when people believe there is no such thing then they begin to read significance into such occurences. What if the helicopter was buzzing somebody else for a totally different reason?

Try out your orgonite and let us know what happens:) Thanks.

Love,n.gratitude
griswald

[marpat]

Try out your orgonite and let us know what happens:) Thanks.

Love,n.gratitude
griswald

I will. I am hoping it is as effective as people claim.

[chaste]

It is just one possibility. Persistant contrails are caused by atmospheric conditions so it would depend on exactly how things were at any given height, a factor that you eyes cannot account for as such. What you try and describe is indicental.

I think your reference idea is flawed. Horizontal distance? are you telling me that you intend to calculate the ground distance to the point below the supposed aircraft then use that as a calculation? and how do you know exactly where that point is? you cant judge such distance with things in your way and factors such as light and elevation influence perception of distance. Not only that but you would have to take an accurate measurement of the anlge. Have you ever carried out such a calculation with accurate results? I certainly doubt that you have.

I'm sorry, I must have been confused by your previous assertion that:

"Well it really does matter because persistent contrails form at different heights to non-persistent ones."

and mistakenly thought that it was a belief that altitude was responsible for such trails that made you ask:

"Explain how you know those aircraft are at about the same altitude"



So, I guess what still needs to be looked at is the atmospheric conditions. Not much further forward, but I suppose at least I can disregard any experts that argue that the persistence of such trails is solely due to vertical height and start thinking about why atmospheric conditions have changed.

[marpat]

I'm sorry, I must have been confused by your previous assertion that:

"Well it really does matter because persistent contrails form at different heights to non-persistent ones."

and mistakenly thought that it was a belief that altitude was responsible for such trails that made you ask:

"Explain how you know those aircraft are at about the same altitude"



So, I guess what still needs to be looked at is the atmospheric conditions. Not much further forward, but I suppose at least I can disregard any experts that argue that the persistence of such trails is solely due to vertical height and start thinking about why atmospheric conditions have changed.

Or maybe you just made an error about the movement of the aircraft. Can you really tell if one is climbing when looked at from ground level or is a trick of the eye. Can you tell if a line in the sky is just a direction or a plane of elevation? The only way people are going to really start proving such things is by collecting evidence of sprayed material and presenting that. To rely on 'evidence' in youtube vids and other vaguely related material just isnt enough. To just accept things on such a basis is nothing more than avoiding the difficulty of providing real evidence, which if this stuff is being sprayed everywhere must beeverywhere. You may feel that reading a few web pages, watching youtube vids and reading conspiracy theories is adequate but more discerning people require more.

[marpat]

Marpat hasn't commented on this thread yet...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67205

Wonder why? :rolleyes:

Cos it's so fucking obvious perhaps?

Cos it contains facts?

Or maybe I have other things to do. Is there a requirement for me to have to comment on everything that people post?

If things are so obvious then why are we not seeing you lot going public, getting out amongst people and telling them that it is obvious. Obviously if it is that obvious then you will have no trouble explaining exactly what is going on. Personally I cant see this happening though. You lot are keyboard warriors, posting your little ideas and theories in a sympathetic forum but I doubt many of you have the grapes to get out there and do anything about it, or to challenge people out there who could probably explain exactly how such things occur. Best just stay safe in the forum eh. There will never be any changes because you lot dont have the will to do anything about your beliefs.

[fekdemasons]

I will. I am hoping it is as effective as people claim.


Naaahhh,

There will be a logical explanation Marps , eh ?

[mystic nomad]

Originally poted by Graflok 23/03/2007


Chemtrails mystery solved?

Here's some interesting info from a Dr. Stephen D. McKay regarding his research into chemtrails. My own summary of the information (as I understand it) is at the end of the post.

reference (excerpted below, as told to Victoria Hardy):
http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=21473

Dr. Stephen D. McKay recently sent me an email and shared the news that he has been contacted by the BBC and Channel 4 in the U.K. to work on two documentaries about weather modification and geo-engineering projects, including the chemtrail issue. And yesterday I received his findings after six years of research into the subject.

Dr. McKay ... believes there are four ongoing projects in our atmosphere,

“The first project is an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the earth including the ultra violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the earth. This, it is hoped, will lower temperature on the surface of the earth and block ultra violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties.”

“The second and most secretive project is the United States Navy's, RFMP, Radio Frequency Mission Planner, military program. The RFMP is the system name given to a group of computer programs and one of the supporting, subprograms within the RFMP system is called the VTRPE computer program. VTRPE is an acronym that stands for Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation, It is a computer Radio Frequency propagation program that deals with radio waves and enables the RFMP system to visually see the battlefield terrain in 3 dimensions (3-D) on a television screen. The RFMP system also depends on satellites to feed their images of the battlefield into the RFMP system to be combined with the battlefield picture painted from the ground thus producing 3-D images.”

”By providing an extremely interactive and visual (television type radar screens) environment, the Radio Frequency Mission Planner, RFMP system allows the computer operator to develop familiarity with the "Radio Frequency" environment before a battlefield war mission occurs by playing a variety of "what-if" virtual warfare scenarios on his computer screen. Since all major modes of Radio Frequency propagation are modeled in his computer, (RFMP system), special, sometimes counter- intuitive, cases can be examined in detail and exploited during a warfare battle mission.”

”The VTRPE computer program only worked accurately over water and along coastal areas but not over land masses because the system's radar waves required an atmospheric condition known as "ducting", over land, to operate accurately.”

”The government and military solved the "ducting" problem by releasing an aerosol, a mixture of barium salts into the atmosphere over America. They made an atmospheric RF duct with a base of barium aerosol from aircraft. The chemical and electrical characteristics of the mixture will cause water moisture to stay in clouds. Again, the aerosol sets up an electrical and chemical environment that supports RF ducting for the RFMP / VTRPE warfare system. Fibers with barium may support ducting. The mixture of barium salt aerosol when sprayed in a straight line will also provide a ducting path from point A to point B and will enable high frequency communications along that path, even over the curvature of the earth, in both directions. Enemy high frequency communications can be monitored easier with the straight line A to B ducting medium.”

”The third project also utilizes the mixture of barium salts in the atmosphere. Weather control is a project of the U.S. Air Force and utilizes Nikola Tesla concepts of radio frequency radiation (HAARP) against the ionosphere above the earth. Fragile life support systems in our environment are being manipulated, tested and altered by government for military advantage. Air Force documents implied, "the risks are high but the rewards are worth it." The mixture of barium salts, supporting moisture, is encouraged along the weather fronts and manipulated in a control fashion. It is believed microwave energy is also utilized in the weather control program. Weather data is also a required input to the VTRPE program of the RFMP system. Perfected weather control technology will enable a military to withhold rain, cause floods, cause drought, cause storms, withhold sunshine, damage food crops, and bring any country to its knees without firing a shot.”

”The fourth project in the atmosphere is the DARPA, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, biological detection and decontamination programs. The program also utilizes the mixture of barium salts as the base vehicle in aerosol along with special polymer fibers in the atmosphere. They have released biological into the atmosphere in trials, testing the detection and decontamination systems.”

”It is believed that barium salt, polymer fibers and other chemicals, in the atmosphere are the physical irritants that are either directly or indirectly responsible, for the recent epidemic increase in cases of nose bleed, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, upper respiratory symptoms and a noticeable increase in arthritis symptoms, recently reported nationwide. Chemicals illegally sprayed into the atmosphere are producing atmospheric and ground conditions detrimental to human and animal health but favorable to the growth of harmful molds and fungus. These conditions are not conducive to good health. The soluble salts of barium, an earth metal, are toxic in mammalian systems. They are absorbed rapidly from the gastrointestinal tract and are deposited in the muscles, lungs, and bone. No case data is available from the medical community on the long term effects of barium in the human body.”

”The programs are secret because the Federal EPA and State Environmental Quality Agencies need to "not know" about what the by-products of the metabolites of biological, illegal and harmful agents are. It's for that reason the project has been declared secret from the citizens of the countries.”

-- END OF QUOTED TEXT --

My own (graflok's) summary of the 4 reasons for chemtrails (as I understand the above info):

1. aluminum oxide or a compound with similar properties to block the rays of the sun thus lowering
surface temperature and reducing UV radiation.

2. (most secret) a barium salt aerosol (possibly with fibers) to facilitate the US Navy's Radio Frequency
Mission Planner (RFMP). This is a system that allows one to visually see battlefield terrain in 3 dimensions
(3-D) on a television screen. This system allows the computer operator to develop familiarity with the
environment before a battlefield war mission occurs by playing a variety of "what-if" virtual warfare
scenarios on his computer screen. The aerosol also allows enemy high frequency communications to be
monitored more easily.

3. barium salts as part of a weather modification scheme (in conjunction with HAARP) to withhold rain,
cause floods, cause drought, cause storms, withhold sunshine, damage food crops, and bring any country
to its knees without firing a shot.

4. barium salts to produce atmospheric and ground conditions detrimental to human and animal health but favorable
to the growth of harmful molds and fungus.

graflok


Originally posted by niftymage 23/06/2009

Ex-Government Employee talks about CHEMTRAILS -
http://share.ovi.com/media/Dziner4u0...ziner4u0.10001

Barium nitrate health risks

Like all soluble barium compounds, barium nitrate is toxic by ingestion or inhalation. Symptoms of poisoning include tightness of muscles (especially in the face and neck), vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, muscular tremors, anxiety, weakness, labored breathing, cardiac irregularity, and convulsions. Death may result from cardiac or respiratory failure, and usually occurs a few hours to a few days following exposure to the compound. Barium nitrate may also cause kidney damage[2].

Solutions of sulfate salts such as Epsom salts or sodium sulfate may be given as first aid for barium poisoning, as they precipitate the barium as the insoluble (and non-toxic) barium sulfate.

Inhalation may also cause irritation to the respiratory tract.

While skin or eye contact is less harmful than ingestion or inhalation, it can still result in irritation, itching, redness, and pain.
niftymage

[anthony65]

Or maybe I have other things to do. Is there a requirement for me to have to comment on everything that people post?

If things are so obvious then why are we not seeing you lot going public, getting out amongst people and telling them that it is obvious. Obviously if it is that obvious then you will have no trouble explaining exactly what is going on. Personally I cant see this happening though. You lot are keyboard warriors, posting your little ideas and theories in a sympathetic forum but I doubt many of you have the grapes to get out there and do anything about it, or to challenge people out there who could probably explain exactly how such things occur. Best just stay safe in the forum eh. There will never be any changes because you lot dont have the will to do anything about your beliefs.

That's the marpat I know! :rolleyes:

Bitter, twisted and cynical! :p

But you still haven't commented on the Lofar thread! :D

Not interested? :)

[anthony65]

I will. I am hoping it is as effective as people claim.

And if Marpat the Magnificent is disappointed with effectiveness of orgonite? :rolleyes:

Who gives a flying ferret! :D

You don't accept the existence of chemtrails.

Your opinions are about 180 degrees opposite to most of the people who post on the forum on pretty much every subject I can think of.

You are of course entitled to your opinion.

And we are entitled to treat your opinion with the respect it deserves...

:rolleyes:

[john connor]

Or maybe I have other things to do. Is there a requirement for me to have to comment on everything that people post?

If things are so obvious then why are we not seeing you lot going public, getting out amongst people and telling them that it is obvious. Obviously if it is that obvious then you will have no trouble explaining exactly what is going on. Personally I cant see this happening though. You lot are keyboard warriors, posting your little ideas and theories in a sympathetic forum but I doubt many of you have the grapes to get out there and do anything about it, or to challenge people out there who could probably explain exactly how such things occur. Best just stay safe in the forum eh. There will never be any changes because you lot dont have the will to do anything about your beliefs.


I use that term Keyboard warrior myself..personally Ive given out about 100 dvd's of Dont talk about the weather....also noticed 'google chemtrails' appearing on stickers in the area and on the back of £20 notes...good idea whoever is doing that. 7 co workers are now fully convinced about chemtrails so its a start

[anthony65]

I use that term Keyboard warrior myself..personally Ive given out about 100 dvd's of Dont talk about the weather....also noticed 'google chemtrails' appearing on stickers in the area and on the back of £20 notes...good idea whoever is doing that. 7 co workers are now fully convinced about chemtrails so its a start

Ahhh... but when you say it it sounds okay...

Marpat says it with a sneer...

Can you hear the sneer? :rolleyes:

Cynics like to pull people down through ridicule.

Being a keyboard warrior is just a very small part of most people's lives.

Anyone who is fair minded would see the very many constructive threads on the forum and realize that this wonderfully diverse bunch of people are involved in many different activities that often contribute a little to improving the world around us.

Cynics would scoff at that...

But fuck the cynics and let them choke on their own bile.

Keyboard warrior?

Not me mate!

I'm an orgonaut! :D

And a father!

And a gardener!

Chicken farmer! :D

[cafetimes1991]

http://www.bluekes.com/chemtrails_leaflets_x2.jpg

I think that's now my favourite chemtrail leaflet. Will definitely try to print off a few.

[marpat]

That's the marpat I know! :rolleyes:

Bitter, twisted and cynical! :p

But you still haven't commented on the Lofar thread! :D

Not interested? :)

No I am not interested. Why should I be? unless I get on the bandwagon and start agreeing with you all you will just accuse me of being an agent or some other crap. What is the point?

[marpat]

Ahhh... but when you say it it sounds okay...

Marpat says it with a sneer...

Can you hear the sneer? :rolleyes:

Cynics like to pull people down through ridicule.

Being a keyboard warrior is just a very small part of most people's lives.

Anyone who is fair minded would see the very many constructive threads on the forum and realize that this wonderfully diverse bunch of people are involved in many different activities that often contribute a little to improving the world around us.

Cynics would scoff at that...

But fuck the cynics and let them choke on their own bile.

Keyboard warrior?

Not me mate!

I'm an orgonaut! :D

And a father!

And a gardener!

Chicken farmer! :D

Fuck the cynics? and you were calling me bitter and twisted. It is clear you dont have any feelings except for those of your own type.

I think the reality is that you dont like you beliefs to be scrutinised.

[marpat]

Originally poted by Graflok 23/03/2007


Chemtrails mystery solved?

Here's some interesting info from a Dr. Stephen D. McKay regarding his research into chemtrails. My own summary of the information (as I understand it) is at the end of the post.

reference (excerpted below, as told to Victoria Hardy):
http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=21473

Dr. Stephen D. McKay recently sent me an email and shared the news that he has been contacted by the BBC and Channel 4 in the U.K. to work on two documentaries about weather modification and geo-engineering projects, including the chemtrail issue. And yesterday I received his findings after six years of research into the subject.

Dr. McKay ... believes there are four ongoing projects in our atmosphere,

“The first project is an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the earth including the ultra violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the earth. This, it is hoped, will lower temperature on the surface of the earth and block ultra violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties.”

“The second and most secretive project is the United States Navy's, RFMP, Radio Frequency Mission Planner, military program. The RFMP is the system name given to a group of computer programs and one of the supporting, subprograms within the RFMP system is called the VTRPE computer program. VTRPE is an acronym that stands for Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation, It is a computer Radio Frequency propagation program that deals with radio waves and enables the RFMP system to visually see the battlefield terrain in 3 dimensions (3-D) on a television screen. The RFMP system also depends on satellites to feed their images of the battlefield into the RFMP system to be combined with the battlefield picture painted from the ground thus producing 3-D images.”

”By providing an extremely interactive and visual (television type radar screens) environment, the Radio Frequency Mission Planner, RFMP system allows the computer operator to develop familiarity with the "Radio Frequency" environment before a battlefield war mission occurs by playing a variety of "what-if" virtual warfare scenarios on his computer screen. Since all major modes of Radio Frequency propagation are modeled in his computer, (RFMP system), special, sometimes counter- intuitive, cases can be examined in detail and exploited during a warfare battle mission.”

”The VTRPE computer program only worked accurately over water and along coastal areas but not over land masses because the system's radar waves required an atmospheric condition known as "ducting", over land, to operate accurately.”

”The government and military solved the "ducting" problem by releasing an aerosol, a mixture of barium salts into the atmosphere over America. They made an atmospheric RF duct with a base of barium aerosol from aircraft. The chemical and electrical characteristics of the mixture will cause water moisture to stay in clouds. Again, the aerosol sets up an electrical and chemical environment that supports RF ducting for the RFMP / VTRPE warfare system. Fibers with barium may support ducting. The mixture of barium salt aerosol when sprayed in a straight line will also provide a ducting path from point A to point B and will enable high frequency communications along that path, even over the curvature of the earth, in both directions. Enemy high frequency communications can be monitored easier with the straight line A to B ducting medium.”

”The third project also utilizes the mixture of barium salts in the atmosphere. Weather control is a project of the U.S. Air Force and utilizes Nikola Tesla concepts of radio frequency radiation (HAARP) against the ionosphere above the earth. Fragile life support systems in our environment are being manipulated, tested and altered by government for military advantage. Air Force documents implied, "the risks are high but the rewards are worth it." The mixture of barium salts, supporting moisture, is encouraged along the weather fronts and manipulated in a control fashion. It is believed microwave energy is also utilized in the weather control program. Weather data is also a required input to the VTRPE program of the RFMP system. Perfected weather control technology will enable a military to withhold rain, cause floods, cause drought, cause storms, withhold sunshine, damage food crops, and bring any country to its knees without firing a shot.”

”The fourth project in the atmosphere is the DARPA, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, biological detection and decontamination programs. The program also utilizes the mixture of barium salts as the base vehicle in aerosol along with special polymer fibers in the atmosphere. They have released biological into the atmosphere in trials, testing the detection and decontamination systems.”

”It is believed that barium salt, polymer fibers and other chemicals, in the atmosphere are the physical irritants that are either directly or indirectly responsible, for the recent epidemic increase in cases of nose bleed, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, upper respiratory symptoms and a noticeable increase in arthritis symptoms, recently reported nationwide. Chemicals illegally sprayed into the atmosphere are producing atmospheric and ground conditions detrimental to human and animal health but favorable to the growth of harmful molds and fungus. These conditions are not conducive to good health. The soluble salts of barium, an earth metal, are toxic in mammalian systems. They are absorbed rapidly from the gastrointestinal tract and are deposited in the muscles, lungs, and bone. No case data is available from the medical community on the long term effects of barium in the human body.”

”The programs are secret because the Federal EPA and State Environmental Quality Agencies need to "not know" about what the by-products of the metabolites of biological, illegal and harmful agents are. It's for that reason the project has been declared secret from the citizens of the countries.”

-- END OF QUOTED TEXT --

My own (graflok's) summary of the 4 reasons for chemtrails (as I understand the above info):

1. aluminum oxide or a compound with similar properties to block the rays of the sun thus lowering
surface temperature and reducing UV radiation.

2. (most secret) a barium salt aerosol (possibly with fibers) to facilitate the US Navy's Radio Frequency
Mission Planner (RFMP). This is a system that allows one to visually see battlefield terrain in 3 dimensions
(3-D) on a television screen. This system allows the computer operator to develop familiarity with the
environment before a battlefield war mission occurs by playing a variety of "what-if" virtual warfare
scenarios on his computer screen. The aerosol also allows enemy high frequency communications to be
monitored more easily.

3. barium salts as part of a weather modification scheme (in conjunction with HAARP) to withhold rain,
cause floods, cause drought, cause storms, withhold sunshine, damage food crops, and bring any country
to its knees without firing a shot.

4. barium salts to produce atmospheric and ground conditions detrimental to human and animal health but favorable
to the growth of harmful molds and fungus.

graflok


Originally posted by niftymage 23/06/2009

Ex-Government Employee talks about CHEMTRAILS -
http://share.ovi.com/media/Dziner4u0...ziner4u0.10001

Barium nitrate health risks

Like all soluble barium compounds, barium nitrate is toxic by ingestion or inhalation. Symptoms of poisoning include tightness of muscles (especially in the face and neck), vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, muscular tremors, anxiety, weakness, labored breathing, cardiac irregularity, and convulsions. Death may result from cardiac or respiratory failure, and usually occurs a few hours to a few days following exposure to the compound. Barium nitrate may also cause kidney damage[2].

Solutions of sulfate salts such as Epsom salts or sodium sulfate may be given as first aid for barium poisoning, as they precipitate the barium as the insoluble (and non-toxic) barium sulfate.

Inhalation may also cause irritation to the respiratory tract.

While skin or eye contact is less harmful than ingestion or inhalation, it can still result in irritation, itching, redness, and pain.
niftymage

Again we are back to this stuff. If all of these things are sprayed around us then you should be able to come up with physical evidence just by getting swabs or something. Surely the amount of people suffering these symptoms would be immense yet I do not see such things occuring around me. And what about all of the political class, are they immune, possibly protected by some super-duper top-secret medicine that only they know about? If this stuff is sprayed everywhere then why are there not people in the forum who have collected sizeable amounts to use as evidence rather than constantly posting the youtube vids, which are highly questionable. Anybody wearing respirators yet?

I think that truth is that a lot of people want to believe its true, to feel as if they are the victims of some global vendetta, to lift them out of their boring lives where nothing ever goes on.

[beldazar]

Originally poted by Graflok 23/03/2007


Chemtrails mystery solved?

Here's some interesting info from a Dr. Stephen D. McKay regarding his research into chemtrails. My own summary of the information (as I understand it) is at the end of the post.

reference (excerpted below, as told to Victoria Hardy):
http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=21473

Dr. Stephen D. McKay recently sent me an email and shared the news that he has been contacted by the BBC and Channel 4 in the U.K. to work on two documentaries about weather modification and geo-engineering projects, including the chemtrail issue. And yesterday I received his findings after six years of research into the subject.

Dr. McKay ... believes there are four ongoing projects in our atmosphere,

“The first project is an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the earth including the ultra violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the earth. This, it is hoped, will lower temperature on the surface of the earth and block ultra violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties.”“



The paragraph in bold stood out the most for me.
They are protecting us from cancer....anyone believe that?:rolleyes:

A piece taken from Naturalnews webpage...

http://www.naturalnews.com/026364_fluoride_pineal_gland_sodium.html

Good news though. Frequent exposure to outdoor sunshine, 20 minutes or so at a time, will help stimulate a fluoride calcified pineal gland. Just make sure you take off your hat. This is more important than most realize, because the pineal gland affects so much other enzyme and endocrine activity, including melatonin production.

Important info regarding sunshine

http://search.mercola.com/Results.aspx?k=sunshine benefits

There is Less Sunshine to Go Around


Instruments around the world have recorded that during the second half of the 20th century, the world experienced a drop in the sunshine reaching the Earth’s surface. Instruments recorded a 2 percent to 3 percent drop per decade and even steeper drops in some areas such as Hong Kong, where there was a 37 percent decrease in sunshine.
Some scientists speculated that the reason for this drop in sunshine was due to global dimming and air pollution within the last decade.

Scientists are now beginning to realize the impact that air pollution has taken on sunlight. Although satellite measurements have found that the sun shines as brightly as it has ever before, its decreasing ability to break through the atmosphere to the surface of the Earth has become more apparent.

Extensive measurements taken in 1999 from the Indian Ocean revealed that air pollution was responsible for blocking significant amounts of sunlight.

Scientists have discovered that one of the ways pollution diminishes sunlight was through the process of light reflecting off soot particles in the atmosphere and then going back to outer space. Another theory centered on pollution leading to the production of more water droplets, which resulted in thicker, darker clouds that blocked the light trying to break through.

A radiometer, which consists of a black plate under a glass dome, was the instrument used to record sunshine.

Further research will be reviewed at future meetings on the potential impacts of dimming on elements such as weather, water supplies and agriculture.

New York Times May 13, 2004





Dr. Mercola's Comments:



Many people don't understand that sunshine is a vital nutrient, just like fresh air, clean water and high-quality food.

If we don't receive the appropriate amounts our health will suffer.

Exposure to sunlight is an important source of vitamin D and this study is showing how our natural source of vitamin D is being compromised and we are getting less and less with each passing decade.

These findings make cod liver oil as important as ever, as it is the best source of oral vitamin D and vitamin D is one of the major benefits we receive when we receive exposure to the sun.

However, the more than 1500 wavelengths in sunlight are also necessary to stimulate and nourish our retina and prevent disease like SAD (seasonal affective disorder).

Vitamin D is an essential nutrient and a deficiency could lead to various chronic diseases such as:

Osteoporosis
Cancer
Diabetes
Heart disease
Arthritis
Depression
One of the main problems researchers give for the decreased sunshine is the rising level of air pollution in the United States. These findings do not come as a surprise to me as I wrote an article on the 2004 Lung Association report on air quality in a past newsletter that revealed some unsettling statistics on the rise of pollutants and dangerous ozone levels across the United States.

At any rate, it’s extremely important that you have your vitamin D levels checked, and if are found to be deficient that you take steps to remedy it. If you are taking the cod liver oil that I recommend, which is the next best way to get your vitamin D after the sun, it is also crucial that you monitor your vitamin D levels as it is possible to get too much vitamin D.

Related Articles:

Sunlight Actually Prevents Cancer

Reduce Your Risk of Cancer With Sunlight Exposure

Sunlight For Eczema (Atopic Dermatitis)

Let the Sun Shine In (Especially When Pregnant)

Sunlight Influences Your Risk of Getting Sick



So there you have it :mad:

[anthony65]

No I am not interested. Why should I be? unless I get on the bandwagon and start agreeing with you all you will just accuse me of being an agent or some other crap. What is the point?

For anyone who hasn't seen the lofar thread, I highly recommend it:

Interesting that our resident skeptics stay clear of the lofar thread, but then again they stay clear of any mention of facts.

Remember the artificial snow marpat? You ridiculed beldazar for that one but when I posted the story about the artificial snow in China you ignored it.

Here's Lofar, another HAARP type installation, this time in Holland, caught in the act of blatantly manipulating the weather:

As I say, skeptics don't like this thread! I wonder why... :rolleyes:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67205

[anthony65]

Fuck the cynics? and you were calling me bitter and twisted. It is clear you dont have any feelings except for those of your own type.

I think the reality is that you dont like you beliefs to be scrutinised.

I don't have any feelings except for those of my own type? :D

Oh marpat, how cutting... :p

Do you have a little repertoire of these comments "I know your type" was another one. Are they filed away on cards?

Scrutinise away. :)

I'm happy to debate anything and I'm always prepared and pleased to learn something along the way.

Ask questions.

But just don't scuttle away every time someone provides a serious response to your questions.

Still, you've made a reputation for yourself and your seal of disapproval is always good for livening up the threads.

[anthony65]

Again we are back to this stuff. If all of these things are sprayed around us then you should be able to come up with physical evidence just by getting swabs or something. Surely the amount of people suffering these symptoms would be immense yet I do not see such things occuring around me. And what about all of the political class, are they immune, possibly protected by some super-duper top-secret medicine that only they know about? If this stuff is sprayed everywhere then why are there not people in the forum who have collected sizeable amounts to use as evidence rather than constantly posting the youtube vids, which are highly questionable. Anybody wearing respirators yet?

I think that truth is that a lot of people want to believe its true, to feel as if they are the victims of some global vendetta, to lift them out of their boring lives where nothing ever goes on.

So there isn't a global vendetta?

There isn't a global conspiracy?

No NWO in the making?

Everything's just fine and dandy.

You believe 9/11 was Bin laden and his boys?

The war of terror is justified?

Blair isn't a war criminal. John Pilger says he is and accuses him of crimes against humanity. Innocents are being murdered every day and you support it.

What the fried chicken are you here for marpat?

Most people are here because they care.

You clearly don't.

[griswald]

Dont go making any orgonite with all this negativity;)...............before you do, chill out and get into the zone:):)

griswald

[anthony65]

Dont go making any orgonite with all this negativity;)...............before you do, chill out and get into the zone:):)

griswald

Making orgonite?

At this time? :D

I might go gifting tomorrow though... ;)

[griswald]

Making orgonite?

At this time? :D

I might go gifting tomorrow though... ;)

Well if you cant get near enough.....I,m all for throwing it into a secure spot.:D

griswald

[anthony65]

Again we are back to this stuff. If all of these things are sprayed around us then you should be able to come up with physical evidence just by getting swabs or something. Surely the amount of people suffering these symptoms would be immense yet I do not see such things occuring around me. And what about all of the political class, are they immune, possibly protected by some super-duper top-secret medicine that only they know about? If this stuff is sprayed everywhere then why are there not people in the forum who have collected sizeable amounts to use as evidence rather than constantly posting the youtube vids, which are highly questionable. Anybody wearing respirators yet?

I think that truth is that a lot of people want to believe its true, to feel as if they are the victims of some global vendetta, to lift them out of their boring lives where nothing ever goes on.

Respirators?

Why would anyone want to wear respirators to protect themselves against toxic substances that are being sprayed pretty much every day of the year?

You are in the military. You know what you feel like if you wear a respirator for any length of time. You feel like shit.

Hardly what you need when confronted with a toxic environment over a number of years.

And before you protest... What about the other toxins that we are confronted with every day? Petrol fumes for example. They are toxic. In fact we've even seen the introduction of unleaded fuel to reduce the toxicity, but they are still bad for us. Should we all start wearing respirators? Look at the increase in the number of respiratory diseases in the past decades. It's no laughing matter.

And jet fuel itself of course is very toxic. Add to this, for example, the depleted uranium fired off by the butchers of innocents in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, etc. Remember Chernobyl and the radioactive dust coulds. Did we wear respirators?

No. Respirators would make sense only if confronted by an acute danger of a serious chemical or biological attack. Otherwise they would be absolutely counter-productive. The best response to the shit that is in the chemtrails is to take measures to improve your health, boost your immune system and remove toxic substances from your body. Many excellent tips can be found in the health section of the forum.

And if you read the posts by mystic nomad and beldazar you will see that one of the principle effects of chemtrails is to block out sunlight. Wearing a respirator is hardly the answer to this.

I would recommend everyone to get out in the sun on a regular basis and enjoy those life giving rays.

Respirators are not an answer to chemtrails.

You also mention the political class. Another of your standard comments. Oh how predictable you have become... :D

And again, the answers are very obvious to anyone with an open and intelligent mind.

Firstly, most of the political class, elite, etc. are simply not aware of chemtrails, or HAARP, or the dangers of fluoride, aspartarme etc.

Take gulf war syndrome as an example. Hundreds of thousands of American, British, Italian and other soldiers (and their families) have suffered terribly (and die in large numbers) because they were poisoned by their own leaders. Anthrax vaccinations (later withdrawn and reintroduced), other vaccines, depleted uranium, chemicals, all sorts of toxic shit has wrought a terrible price to these unwitting "heroes" and their loved ones.

They are expendable to the elite. There is always more cannon fodder available.

An illuminati pawn such as Michael Jackson or other celebrities are also allowed to suffer and die.

Only the real insiders will be aware enough to know what to do to stay healthy in a toxic environment, or they are treated by doctors who are aware of the lethality of allopathy (medical murder).

Remember Tony Blair's refusal to say whether his child had been vaccinated. Of course he fucking wasn't!

You scoff "super-duper top-secret medicine that only they know about?"

Top secret? Not quite. Many people on this forum are aware of the benefits of natural remedies that you can guarantee are also recommended to the elite. Often, simply avoiding the toxic substances consumed by the unwitting masses is enough to give them a head start. And yes there are many medicines and cures that can cure many, many ailments, but are either restricted, ridiculed or removed from the market.

Again, I would recommend all readers of the forum to check out the health section. There are some valuable tips there. :)

[mystic nomad]

^^^Anthony65 Excellent post!

I'm looking in to this company Geltech solutions, I know they have their own aircraft, I also know they are spraying moisture absorbent gel into the upper atmosphere to "dry it out."
I'm certain that this isn't the company I'm after because the one I'm on is a UK co. I'm sure of it.

Anyway here's a taster and a link to a site
____________________________

Research Projects



The devastation from any category of hurricane, but especially from a Category 3 or above, such as those in recent years, cannot be overestimated.

Despite the advances in technology, Mother Nature has the upper hand when it comes to hurricanes, which intensify, shift course and wreak havoc on coastal areas throughout the world (in the Pacific they are called Typhoons).

Building thunderstorms are the basis for the development of hurricanes. In the Northern Hemisphere, most of these thunderstorms originate off the coast of Africa. Upon the storm leaving the coast of Africa and moving Eastward over the Atlantic Ocean they can become fierce unpredictable hurricanes. Depending on atmospheric conditions storms can build to strengths that are dangerously destructive and life threatening.

GelTech Solutions, Inc. and their team of experts have developed a proprietary blend of formulated polymers that have undergone intense laboratory study and actual testing. They believe that if they deliver their polymer blend via into the outer band of a hurricane working their way into the eye, cutting a pie shape piece out of the storm, it is theorized that this should cause the winds and energy of the storm to turn in on itself and lessen the storm’s strength. The polymers blend will be delivered into storms via jet aircraft with specialized disbursement systems.

Testing in the field, GelTech Solutions used a formulated polymer and patented process (U.S. Patent # 6,315,213) to disperse the polymer via jet plane into a building thunderstorm. As a result, verified by local media weather stations and the Palm Beach International Airport traffic control, the storm disappeared off the radar screen.

This same research, which GelTech Solutions calls the “Hurricane Suppression Project” has the potential to weaken a hurricane by increasing friction and lowering the heat that feeds the strength of the hurricane. Today’s technologies are available to not only bring the formulated polymer into the bands of the hurricane, taking a “wedge” out of its spiraling winds, and thereby reducing its intensity, but also to evaluate and observe this exciting innovation at work.

This project would do what researchers have always desired to do—dampen down the power of a hurricane so its effects would be less severe, the winds would cause less damage and the potential for flood waters would be lowered.

As 2008 Hurricane Season Ends, U.S. Should Prepare to Fight Hurricanes in 2009


http://www.geltechsolutions.com/index.php

[mystic nomad]

U.S. Patent # 6,315,213

Claims


What is claimed is:

1. A method for artificially modifying weather by seeding a rain cloud comprising:

forming an aqueous solidifier material capable of retaining over three hundred times its own weight in water, wherein said aqueous solidifier material is a cross-linked aqueous based polymer; dispersing said material into a suitable cloud formation, wherein the wind generated by the storm causes said solidifier to mix with rain to form a gel like substance;

said gel like substance being of sufficient weight to precipitate to the surface below thereby diminishing the velocity of the cloud.

2. The method of claim 1 wherein said dispersion of aqueous solidifier is from an aircraft traversing the cloud.

3. The method of claim 1 wherein said dispersion of aqueous solidifier is from the surface below.

4. The cross-linked aqueous polymer of claim 1 wherein said polymer is a cross-linked modified polyacrylamides.

5. The cross-linked polymer of 1 wherein said material is between 50 and 4000 microns.

6. The method of claim 1 wherein the amount of said aqueous solidifier needed is precalculated based upon the size of the storm and the absorption properties of said aqueous solidifier.


7. The methods of claim 1 wherein said aqueous solidifier is biodegradable and nonhazardous.
Description


FIELD OF THE INVENTION

This invention relates generally to weather modification and in particular to the use of polymers to absorb aqueous solutions capable of modifying a weather situation.

BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

Hurricanes, tropical storms, typhoons, and the like weather patterns can cause severe damage to land, buildings, and living creatures. The resulting damage from even an isolated event can be billions of dollars as evidenced by Hurricane Andrew.

Cloud seeding is a known process for artificially modifying the weather by injecting a composition into a cloud for formation of an ice freezing nuclei. Silver iodide is a well known substance used for cloud seeding. Ice freezing nuclei have the effect of creating rain, reducing hail, and possibly preventing rain by overseeding.

U.S. Pat. No. 5,174,498 discloses a cloud seeding material useful for seeding supercooled clouds in order to augment rainfall. The material used in seeding is defined as a aliphatic long-chain alcohol.

U.S. Pat. No. 4,600,147 discloses a cloud seeding method of inserting liquid propane from a rocket. The liquid propane is used to generate large numbers of ice crystals in supercooled clouds.

U.S. Pat. No. 5,357,865 discloses yet another method of cloud seeding. This invention includes the use of a pyrotechnic composition such as potassium chlorate or potassium perchlorate which act as nuclei for precipitable water drop formation.

U.S. Pat. No. 4,096,005 discloses a pyrotechnic cloud seeding composition comprising silver iodate and a fuel from the consisting of aluminum and magnesium.

Thus, the prior art teachings are directed to methods of creating rain. What is lacking in the art is a method of lessening the wind velocities of a storm.

SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

The instant application discloses a method of modifying weather by seeding storm clouds with a polymer. The storm clouds are seeded by dispersing a superabsorbent polymer into the cloud in sufficient quantities to cause a large absorption of water. The reaction of the water with the polymer creates a gel-like substance that precipitates to the surface. Thus, causing an internal constriction with the cloud to lessen storm velocities.

A superabsorbent polymer is a resin capable of absorbing water up to several thousands times as its own weight. These superabsorbent polymers are prepared from water-soluble polymers, but have cross-linking structures which render the polymers water-insoluble. By taking water-soluble ethylenically unsaturated monomers which readily undergo vinyl polymerizaton, such as acrylamide, with the use of cross linking agents, a polymer can be produced that is of uniform small size, has a high gel capacity, is highly insoluble, but highly water swellable i.e. a superabsorbent polymer. (Gel capacity refers to the property of the water swollen polymer to resist viscosity changes as a result of mechanical working or milling.)

Superabsorbent polymers can be dehydrated to a powder. When the powder is added to an aqueous solution and agitated, the polymer is able to absorb many times its weight of the water molecules and a gel-like substance is formed. Superabsorbent polymers are particularly suited for uses where rapid sorption of aqueous fluid is desired or for uses where the swelling properties in water are employed.

Accordingly, it is an objective of the instant invention to present a method for artificially modifying weather wherein a polymer is used to cause wind dissipation by heaving weighting condensation with the clouds.

It is another objective of the instant invention to present a method for seeding a rain cloud with a cross-linked polymer such that the wind of the storm provides the agitation for the reaction of the polymer with the water.

It is an additional objective of the instant invention to present a method for modifying storms such that the solid end product is biodegradable and nonhazardous.

Other objectives and advantages of this invention will become apparent from the following description wherein are set forth, by way of example, certain embodiments of this invention.

DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE INVENTION

It is to be understood that while a certain form of the invention is illustrated, it is not to be limited to the specific form or arrangement of parts herein described and shown. It will be apparent to those skilled in the art that various changes may be made without departing from the scope of the invention and the invention is not to be considered limited to what is shown and described in the specification and drawings.

The present invention relates to a method for artificially modifying weather by solidifying portions of a cloud in a storm such as a hurricane, by introducing polymers into the cloud. This method utilizes "superabsorbent" aqueous based polymers, preferably cross linked modified polyacrylamides which can be used in any application where aqueous solidification is permissible. An example of a superabsorbent aqueous based polymer is manufactured by JRM Chemical Inc. under the trademark H-series.

In the present invention, a solid form of the superabsorbent polymer, such as a powder, is introduced into the rain clouds of a storm in a suitable manner, for instance a aircraft may traverse the storm and release the polymer seeds or they may be released from a seeding flare delivered from the surface or from an aircraft. The amount of polymer needed is predetermined based upon the size and severity of the storm along with the absorption capacity of the polymer used. The wind of the storm provides the agitation that causes the polymer to bind with the water forming a gel-like substance. As a result of this method, wind based water storms can be artificially modified.

The use of a biodegradable polymer allows for safe use of the ocean wherein the high salinity of the water will expedite the degradation of the material. Various biodegradable superabsorbent polymers include carboxy-methylcellulose, alginic acid, cross-linked starches, cross-linked polyamino acids and a cross-linked modified polyacrylamides.

In a dry state the preferred polymer may be considered a particle having a diameter less than 4000 microns but greater than 50 microns. In a swollen state the particle may have a diameter greater than three hundred times its weight. In a totally water-swollen state, the particles contain up to about 99.98 weight percent of water and a little as about 0.1 weight percent of polymer. Thus, such particles could hold from ten to thousands of times their own weight. By seeding a leading edge of a violent storm, such as a hurricane, the winds cause a mix of the material wherein moisture is absorbed by the material causing a shearing effect. The shearing effect causes the polymers to absorb, lose, and reabsorb water countless times. During this exchange, the weight of the water being transferred allowing for wind shearing that assists in lessening the velocity of the wind.

The shearing forces are affected by the nature of the interactions between the particles during such collisions. When attractive forces dominate, the particles will aggregate and the dispersion may destabilize.

Example: A hurricane is seeded with approximately 30,000 lbs of a superabsorbent aqueous based polymer by use of a transport plane flying through the leading edge of the storm. Within twenty seconds the polymer will obtain over 70 percent of its absorption capacity or nearly three hundred times its weight. The winds of the storm will continue to disperse the materials causing a form of internal flocculation disrupting the feeding nature of the storm. When presented close to land, the storm will not have sufficient time to reform to its previous strength.

It is to be understood that while I have illustrated and described certain forms of my invention, it is not to be limited to the specific forms herein described. It will be apparent to those skilled in the art that various changes may be made without departing from the scope of the invention and the invention is not to be considered limited to what is shown in the drawings and described in the specification.

[john connor]

We are getting sprayed big time today....and suprise suprise..our local paper front page announces schools closed with swine flu..we just had an email off our Chief Exec to say we have it in local Gov too....another suprise NOT...next email will no doubt be about the flu jab for all Gov employees...Im sticking by what I said on this forum last Nov 11 warning of a flu pandemic..and those of you who scoffed well not going to get much pleasure out of being right am I....no doubt cases will go up as the spraying continues.

chemtrails....spreading the disease.....amongst other things

[lupa]

i'm going to test out my new meade 20-60x60mm spotting scope properly today. you can pick out jupiter just about with it so planes will be no problem. already spoted a plane this morning with wing tips that point upwards ..a very large plane that layed down a really thick trail above my house the plane was grey in colour.

the sunday after the mathew delooze talk in leicester i was over in ashby de la zouch and spotted 4 white planes through a pair of old binoculars with what looked like something bolted to the side of the planes the left hand side. like a large tank of some kind. they all were spraying and they all had a sky blue horizontal oblong and a maroon/burgandy vertical oblong below the blue oblong on the tail. russian? french?

[john connor]

Hi Lupa good to see ya back..keep us posted with what ya see...they are busy today...

[lupa]

Hi Lupa good to see ya back..keep us posted with what ya see...they are busy today...

thanks john. things got a little crazy here,everything is ok for no. the handler is well gone and so has my income after posting a blog on the serpent cult, didn't even get a chance to post it but i was quickly removed. so no income now. not sure what i'm going to do but i'm seriously pissed off. not taking this lying down any longer. they want to play silent war extermination chess games...bring it on. time for some payback i reckon.

William cooper has put a raging fire in my belly after reading behold a pale horse yesterday. enough is enough.

just getting use to focusing the scope, good bit of kit ;) and a perfect day to see what's going on up there, they are out in force today hey

[john connor]

thanks john. things got a little crazy here,everything is ok for no. the handler is well gone and so has my income after posting a blog on the serpent cult, didn't even get a chance to post it but i was quickly removed. so no income now. not sure what i'm going to do but i'm seriously pissed off. not taking this lying down any longer. they want to play silent war extermination chess games...bring it on. time for some payback i reckon.

William cooper has put a raging fire in my belly after reading behold a pale horse yesterday. enough is enough.

just getting use to focusing the scope, good bit of kit ;) and a perfect day to see what's going on up there, they are out in force today hey

Thats the spirit...wondering if this is the start of it now....building up to the jabs in about 8-12 weeks time then the REAL pandemic will kick in....lets see how many more 'flu' cases after todays big spray

[lupa]

Thats the spirit...wondering if this is the start of it now....building up to the jabs in about 8-12 weeks time then the REAL pandemic will kick in....lets see how many more 'flu' cases after todays big spray


you bet it is. their extermination plan is well past it's date. the trails are to rendure our immune systems useless. they want a new black death via the microbe and vaccination. i'll say this much. i have nothing to lose, absolutely nothing and when i do become ill over this (it's going to happen folks we know it's coming)..i'll be heading for the nearest masonic temple for a few words ;)

btw meade tripods are crap!! one of the legs has just fallen off. good job i have a spare eh

[griswald]

i'm going to test out my new meade 20-60x60mm spotting scope properly today. you can pick out jupiter just about with it so planes will be no problem. already spoted a plane this morning with wing tips that point upwards ..a very large plane that layed down a really thick trail above my house the plane was grey in colour.

the sunday after the mathew delooze talk in leicester i was over in ashby de la zouch and spotted 4 white planes through a pair of old binoculars with what looked like something bolted to the side of the planes the left hand side. like a large tank of some kind. they all were spraying and they all had a sky blue horizontal oblong and a maroon/burgandy vertical oblong below the blue oblong on the tail. russian? french?

Does the meade scope give good definition, is it a good scope.

griswald

[lupa]

Does the meade scope give good definition, is it a good scope.

griswald

its fantastic griswald very well made the reviews are excellent on it. as i mentioned before apparently you can pick out Jupiter with it but the moon is crystal clear..cant wait for the full moon.

these chemtrail planes are like looking at you own hand through it. i'm still figuring the adustments out but in a couple of days i'll be able to track them perfectly. great price for £60 of ebay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4mjiiTDGl4

The Meade 20-60x60 Fully Coated Waterproof Spotting Scope is an excellent starter Spotting Scope at an affordable price. The 20-60x60 Spotting Scope by Meade features Fully Coated Optics for quality images, and a Waterproof body that will handle the elements of the outdoors. The Meade 20 - 60 x 60 Spottingscope has a variable 20x-60x magnification that is ideal for long range viewing. Complimenting the large magnification is the Spottingscope 's 60mm objective lens that will allow plenty of light inside the scope for a bright and clear image.

Feature BK-7 prisms and fully coated, precision ground lenses to provide optical performance that is equal to, or better than anything in its class
Manufactured from lightweight polycarbonate which reduces overall weight and makes it extremely rugged and durable
A rugged rubber armor covering quiets down bumps and protects from abrasions and damage from regular use
Waterproof, fogproof and nitrogen purged to ensure many years of usage

Meade 20-60x60 Fully Coated Waterproof Spotting Scopes come with a tripod, tripod case, soft case, and a hard shell aluminum case.

not the best kit for veiwing the plannets but ideal for the moon, planes and long range ground viewing

the tripod has broken but i have a better quality one anyway

[kisatu]

Appears to be chemtrails flying over manc today.:o

[cleopatraxxx]

BLOODY HELL!!!

TODAY AS EARLY AS 7am-10AM
THEY HAVE BEEN SPRAYING HEAVILY ...
...HERE IN WEST YORKSHIRE :-((

[heart2012]

There is HEAVY spraying here in southern Spain. Sometimes the sky is just a mist.
I'll attach a photo' (hopefully) that a friend of mine took recently.
Scum bags.....

[cleopatraxxx]

There is HEAVY spraying here in southern Spain. Sometimes the sky is just a mist.
I'll attach a photo' (hopefully) that a friend of mine took recently.
Scum bags.....

that is the same sky visuals i had the morning I posted my previous comments. lately I have seen less of chemtrails but noted there is some HAARP going on here. the cloud formation is certainly not natural: they include ripples perpendicular to each other.

Cleo

[beldazar]

Not one plane has flown over today, must beon strike eh? :rolleyes:

Or perhaps its too windy

[cleopatraxxx]

Not one plane has flown over today, must beon strike eh? :rolleyes:

Or perhaps its too windy

hello there Bel!
could the planes not be flying as much today because they are aware of possible disruptions due to solar activity? even if they are only minor disruption in communication... still not good for when you are flying...
???

Regards
Cleo

[beldazar]

Yeah could be Cleo, I dont live under a flight path anyway, one of the reasons these arent your average touring plane...

there would have been info somewhere about people being grounded, I havent heard anything, but then I havent looked.

Still waiting for this solar flare....;)

[cleopatraxxx]

Yeah could be Cleo, I dont live under a flight path anyway, one of the reasons these arent your average touring plane...

there would have been info somewhere about people being grounded, I havent heard anything, but then I havent looked.

Still waiting for this solar flare....;)

Bel, i believe this solar flare today is not going to happen.
to me this is the begining of the end, so to speak. the SUN woke-up and it's activity, the CYCLE28 is now upon us threatening with its emissions .

today is full moon though. who knows what is on its way.
I read about eh 22JULY solar eclipse. what about today? was there any for today? someone mentioned two solar eclipses this month...(?)
Cheers
:)

[beldazar]

Oh I dunno Cleo, lol.

I did look at the moon just gone 1 last night, didnt see anything. then today at 12.00 I looked at the sun to see anything, not a jot.

not sure if we were supposed to see anything over here anyway....:confused:

Im just a bit bored right now, a bit of excitement wouldnt go amiss. Ive also wondered how it would feel if we werent bombarded by EMF' etc... mind you, I would have to do some housework if the PC stops working :eek:

[cleopatraxxx]

Oh I dunno Cleo, lol.

I did look at the moon just gone 1 last night, didnt see anything. then today at 12.00 I looked at the sun to see anything, not a jot.

not sure if we were supposed to see anything over here anyway....:confused:

Im just a bit bored right now, a bit of excitement wouldnt go amiss. Ive also wondered how it would feel if we werent bombarded by EMF' etc... mind you, I would have to do some housework if the PC stops working :eek:

yeah
...i know!
excitement is good but not at a coronal solar mass ejection level httiing the earth... could be a wake-up call though to many?
mind you, i don't believe there is enough souls awaken ...
no mater what, people can't be bothereed with serious things and will prefer accepting the shite from givernments and etc thant fight it...

:-(
i don't want to be pesimistic
i will PM you later
lso don't have the best news in the world me... :-( at the moment

HUGS
Cleo

[john connor]

after nearly a weeks lull..they are back with a vengeance here in the East Midlands today..kind of missed them :rolleyes:

[des1000]

Heres a few pics of chemtrails from june, in the Greater Manchester area.

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/des1000/chemtrails037.jpg
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/des1000/chemtrails015.jpg

[des1000]

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/des1000/chemtrails043.jpg
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/des1000/chemtrails049.jpg
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/des1000/chemtrails050.jpg
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/des1000/chemtrails005.jpg
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/des1000/chemtrails012.jpg

[anthony65]

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/des1000/chemtrails043.jpg
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/des1000/chemtrails049.jpg
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/des1000/chemtrails050.jpg
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/des1000/chemtrails005.jpg
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/des1000/chemtrails012.jpg

That looks very grim! :(

We've had very few chemtrails sticking recently (southern Germany), but we have had a few localized weather catastrophes that make me think they're playing with the ground-based Haarp like technology.

[kryst]

http://www.bluekes.com/crap/chemtrailbatch_a01.jpg
http://www.bluekes.com/crap/chemtrailbatch_a02.jpg
http://www.bluekes.com/crap/chemtrailbatch_a03.jpg
http://www.bluekes.com/crap/chemtrailbatch_a04.jpg
http://www.bluekes.com/crap/chemtrailbatch_a05.jpg
http://www.bluekes.com/crap/chemtrailbatch_a06.jpg
http://www.bluekes.com/crap/chemtrailbatch_a07.jpg

[thelearner]

Yep, not only has the weather been very strange, yesterday the skies looked "not nice at all".
The thunder claps are not just claps , they seem to roll on for a long while.?
The lightening, seems to illuminate the whole sky, again for a longer period than normal?

Beautilfull blue skies in the morning, then followed by blackness, heavy downfalls , then sun again..what is going on?

I hope someone can try to explain the colour of the clouds in a few of the pix ive attached, it really was very eerie.
They were very red / orange as you look at the photos the sun (which was not really out) would have been to the west (left in pix).
They were very strange?

Ive also attached some other pix that were taken last month, all in the East London /Essex area, ive noticed that there has been a lull in the "chemtrails" recently as other posters have also noticed, but today they started up again, none of the pix attached are from today.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6146/1000951k.th.jpg (http://img195.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000951k.jpg)
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/7485/1000953z.th.jpg (http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000953z.jpg)
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1363/1000955h.th.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000955h.jpg)
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5056/1000954.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000954.jpg)
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8733/1000388c.th.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000388c.jpg)
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8727/1000036enk.th.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000036enk.jpg)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6513/1000383.th.jpg (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000383.jpg)
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6227/1000391.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000391.jpg)

[flyermay]

I just found an advert in a newspaper that looks really interesting. The advert reads:

The role is within the aviation industry where strict adherence to CAA regulations is paramount. The company dispatches chemicals to commercial airlines worldwide. Previous experience in marketing...

I'm wondering what type of chemicals do they dispatch to commercial airlines, and what are they used for. :eek:

[lookfar]

I just found an advert in a newspaper that looks really interesting. The advert reads:



I'm wondering what type of chemicals do they dispatch to commercial airlines, and what are they used for. :eek:

Hmm that's very interesting, would be good to learn some more about this if poss....

[candykorn_85]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Candykorn/DSC00119.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Candykorn/DSC00118.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Candykorn/DSC00117.jpg

I took these earlier today.. Started out lovely and sunny, relatively clear skies.. Now it's really miserable and overcast.

We keep getting sun, but at the same time thunderstorms and rain?!
Something's definitely wrong with the weather..

[whatistruth]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Candykorn/DSC00119.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Candykorn/DSC00118.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Candykorn/DSC00117.jpg

I took these earlier today.. Started out lovely and sunny, relatively clear skies.. Now it's really miserable and overcast.

We keep getting sun, but at the same time thunderstorms and rain?!
Something's definitely wrong with the weather..

Funny how you can see the 'real' clouds then the chemtrails right next to them. :D

[lewi]

Did you catch a ufo or a black bird on the second picture Candycorn :confused:

[steevo]

According to those news reports, they are OFFICIALLY known as "chemtrails".
But WHY are the called chemtrails and not chemspraying for example ? The name "chemtrails" maybe suggests that they leave TRAILS on purpose ?

I was thinking about that today.

[candykorn_85]

Did you catch a ufo or a black bird on the second picture Candycorn :confused:

Pretty sure it's a bird. I wasn't aware of it when taking the picture.. but I'd just woken up and it was bright out. D:

[lewi]

When you took the pictures did you take them one after the other because it dosent appear on the other pictures thats what made me more aware of the object. :)

[candykorn_85]

When you took the pictures did you take them one after the other because it dosent appear on the other pictures thats what made me more aware of the object. :)

Yeah, but not in really quick succession. It was like 30 seconds between each shot. :p

[lewi]

Yeah, but not in really quick succession. It was like 30 seconds between each shot. :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDZBgHBHQT8

[wobbler]

They're busy today here on the Sussex coast !

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/stumpyuk/P7260035.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/stumpyuk/P7260037.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/stumpyuk/P7260038.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/stumpyuk/P7260043.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/stumpyuk/P7260045.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/stumpyuk/P7260046.jpg

[wobbler]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/stumpyuk/P7260001.jpg

[lightgiver]

Massive trails just appeared here in France can just see them through the mushy skys,you see when its clouded over they are spraying the shit out of the sky's,these bastards mean business.

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7315/chemtrails048.th.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/chemtrails048.jpg/)

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1741/chemtrails063.th.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/chemtrails063.jpg/)

Click on pics.

[griswald]

Interesting video here, sorry if its already posted,

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74949&highlight=griswald

griswald

[gaznix]

Former Belgian Mayor Crusades Against Chemtrails

Chellow’s unarmed blog
July 25, 2009
First appeared in De Gentenaar, July 26, 2009.
“We are massively being poisoned and brainwashed” Former mayor Peter Vereecke (53) of Evergem wants the justice department and the city council to act against planes that are according to him spraying day and night disease causing germs and chemicals all over the world. ”Rest assured I am not insane”
Peter Vereecke
“Don’t confuse this with contrails”, said Vereecke. “Those are harmless condensation trails that are only visible for a few seconds. On the other hand chemtrails are clouds of chemicals and disease causing germs that are deliberately sprayed on us to manipulate our behaviour. De councilmen and – women were stunned and listened to his every word. At last some other subject than a loose tile or a backed-up sewage pipe.
“I hope that the city council mobilizes all possible government ministries to fight this mental and physical attack. I have already filed two complaints with the local police, but they don’t to anything with it”, said Vereecke. Could it be that they had a good laugh with it?
The internet is full of conspiracy theories about chemtrails: the spray planes that are supposedly being used to conduct massive sterilisations in populated areas, for large vaccination campaigns and genetic manipulation of humans and plants, for the spread of epidemics, for the subjugation of populations, to manipulate weather and to combat climate change. Or a combination of the above.
“I find the theories all very interesting but I don’t choose a side” says alarmist Vereecke. "I’m only saying that the chemtrails have provable effects on our health en that they are being conducted by hidden power structures behind the veil of the official political world. Don’t make any illusions: what we see are merely puppets. Even Barack Obama is a puppet. De real powers are hidden under the lee."
Can you be more specific? Who are the people that are really pulling the strings?
Peter Vereecke: “Those are the co-called Illuminati, the enlightened ones. They are members of secret societies like the Bilderberg group, but are also active in business and global organisations like the United Nations and NATO. It’s not about one certain group but about a type of person with a certain DNA that is common in higher levels of power: people that do not care about the value of human life and are obsessed with power, money and control.
Names, give us a few names.
“Take Al Gore for example. He is member of the illuminati. His message about global warming only has one purpose: money. Because worldwide we will have to pay for the coming measures. That will result in higher taxes and higher food prices and environmental measures in business. That will result in a massive cash-flow. Meanwhile it is confirmed that human activity only accounts for 3% of the global warming.”
But what does Al Gore have to do with chemtrails?
“My point is this: all global processes revolve around money, power and control. De brains behind the chemtrails are at the top level of the pharmaceutical and chemical industries. 100 years ago for example, 1% of people got cancer. Today that number is one in three. Dat is very convenient for some people. The cancer cure industry is a billion dollar business. Just like the treatment of so many other diseases that are skyrocketing in the last 10-15 years. Alzheimer, Parkinson, autism, ADHD, asthma, diabetes, allergies,…we have never been so sick as now. Our physical, emotional and intellectual health is being systematically undermined. How do you explain that?”
Chemtrails?
“Voilà. They certainly play a role in this because the spray planes are being used more intensively the last few years. You can observe the phenomenon in our country at least 10 days per month. Why don’t you see these chemtrails above the Sahara of the Amazon? Spraying chemicals over there would be useless as there are no people living there. Our whole environment is chemicalized: our food, healthcare, everything is based on chemistry.”
No one takes action…
“Because our thinking processes are being conditioned. Look at the eyes of the people in the street, they are medicated and walk around like zombies. A dull look without "joie de vivre" and without an outlook on life. Hence my crusade: people wake up, open you eyes, act before it is too late…”
“I will call the current mayor to hear what he is going to do with my message. I want him to make clear to the higher bodies that people are concerned. The Ministry of Defence, the Ministry of the Interior, the Department of Health, the Ministry of the Environment… they need to be told about these concerns and our outrage. I don’t want this to be covered up.
[…]
I can imagine people calling you insane: “Mister Vereecke has seen the light”
“Not to my face. And probably also not behind my back because I have solid curriculum and a strong image. Most people remember me as philologist, mayor and business man. Not as a dreamer or crazy person but as a sober, critical and level-headed person that is looking for answers.
Just to confirm: you are not being treated psychologically at the moment.
(laughs hard) “No I feel mentally and physically fit. But I must admit if I were currently in the city council and someone would start talking about white lines in the sky, I would ask if that person Peter Vereecke is all there.

[marpat]

Here are some real chem spraying aircraft. Note the rapid disipation of the chemicals and no persistent trail

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/vietnam/agent-orange.htm

[kweli]

I still see them in my area (Doncaster S.Yorks) on a regular basis; although activity is a lot more discreet and subtle than it was a short while back. Too many folk are noticing and recording these great stretch marks in the sky, so they've changed their tactics.

This picture was taken above my house feb 2008. And the marpats of this world can tell me til they're blue in the face that this is normal activity, & i'll carry on repeating.. you're a fool & a sellout!

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i28/annie1pw/27thfebchems012-1.jpg

[hagbard_celine]

Here are some real chem spraying aircraft. Note the rapid disipation of the chemicals and no persistent trail

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/vietnam/agent-orange.htm

Yes, this one is not doing the same thing as modern chentrail spraying.

[marpat]

I never see anything like that where I live

[kweli]

I never see anything like that where I live

Then you're very fortunate.

[marpat]

Then you're very fortunate.

I guess so. next time I pop down there I will check the sky out.

[thelearner]

Kweli,
very good picture you caught there mate, the skies above you seem to be riddled with "them"

These were caught above my house in Essex today around 5pm. (notice the way that the clouds seem potmarked?)

Also can anyone explain why my photo's do not come up large like others posters pix do?
cheers

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3868/1000967y.th.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000967y.jpg)
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2311/1000965o.th.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000965o.jpg)
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7633/1000964.th.jpg (http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000964.jpg)

[lightgiver]

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1741/chemtrails063.th.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/chemtrails063.jpg/)

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7315/chemtrails048.th.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/chemtrails048.jpg/)

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2286/314430pm.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/314430pm.jpg/)

[kweli]

I guess so. next time I pop down there I will check the sky out.

You're not really listening are you? I said it's a lot more discreet nowadays, so when you do 'pop down' you probably won't find much to see. (btw.. you would be most welcome to come & chat about this stuff when you're in donny again) I'm more than convinced by my catologue of pics (all printed off & passed around) that something strange is happening in our skies - - eee! Eerie, Indiana, eh!

By the way.. i'd love to hear your feedback on this video:

"History Channel Documentary Validates Chemtrails and Weather Warfare Airs! July25"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3gKa0z7rjM

[kweli]

Kweli,
very good picture you caught there mate, the skies above you seem to be riddled with "them"

These were caught above my house in Essex today around 5pm. (notice the way that the clouds seem potmarked?)

Also can anyone explain why my photo's do not come up large like others posters pix do?
cheers

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3868/1000967y.th.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000967y.jpg)
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2311/1000965o.th.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000965o.jpg)
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7633/1000964.th.jpg (http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000964.jpg)

Cheers for the pics - keep on recording them and show them to folk around you, they might not listen immediately, but things sink in & some of them will realise, i'm assured of that.

[candykorn_85]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Candykorn/DSC00123.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Candykorn/DSC00122.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Candykorn/DSC00121.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Candykorn/DSC00120.jpg

Took these today.. The usual clear blue skies accompanied by random downpours of rain for 2 minutes then more sun. :D

[thelearner]

These pictures were taken on Friday 31st July.
Unusually, we had good weather all day, until the evening when we stared to get downpours of rain, as we have as i write this.
These photos were taken in Essex, where in the morning "they" seemed to be out in force, one in particular seemed to be there "all day"?:mad:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1604/1000985g.th.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000985g.jpg)
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6662/1000984i.th.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000984i.jpg)
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6117/1000983n.th.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000983n.jpg)
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2589/1000982h.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000982h.jpg)
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/420/1000981g.th.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000981g.jpg)
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7408/1000980h.th.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000980h.jpg)
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3366/1000979k.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000979k.jpg)
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5204/1000978.th.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000978.jpg)
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2214/1000977.th.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000977.jpg)

[thelearner]

This set was taken throughout sunday, in Essex.
The weather from friday:
Friday, beautiful day , until the evening, then rain. (see previous post)
Saturday, continued rain, at points very heavy all day and night.
Sunday,cloudy most of the day but sun breaking through occasionaly.

They seem to continue with this dropping of chemicals on us:mad:

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6956/1000986.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000986.jpg)
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4545/1000987a.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000987a.jpg)
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4592/1000988.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000988.jpg)
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1929/1001007.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001007.jpg)

And also caught this, what is it?
Is it just a cloud with waves in or something else?

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2937/1000999.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000999.jpg)
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8861/1000997o.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000997o.jpg)
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2695/1000998h.th.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000998h.jpg)

It, looks like flames (if i was asked to describe it without the help of photos) notice how the bottom of this group of "clouds" has quite a defined bottom, seems quite straight cut.
Is this abnormal in clouds or is this something that can easily be explained?

thanks

[kryst]

This set was taken throughout sunday, in Essex.
And also caught this, what is it?
Is it just a cloud with waves in or something else?

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2937/1000999.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000999.jpg)
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8861/1000997o.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000997o.jpg)
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2695/1000998h.th.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000998h.jpg)

It, looks like flames (if i was asked to describe it without the help of photos) notice how the bottom of this group of "clouds" has quite a defined bottom, seems quite straight cut.
Is this abnormal in clouds or is this something that can easily be explained?

thanks

looks like the effects of ULF waves..

[thelearner]

looks like the effects of ULF waves..
Thanks Kryst:)
Unfortunately i do not know what ULF waves are, could you exlpain a bit please?:confused:

cheers

[anthony65]

Thanks Kryst:)
Unfortunately i do not know what ULF waves are, could you exlpain a bit please?:confused:

cheers

I think it should be ELF waves.

Extremely Low Frequency.

VLF

Very Low Frequency

[banjoreality]

hi anthony..howzthings? aren t you on holiday?

[hoffy]

UK Chemtrails, I have some pics from Bournemouth and Croyden in my post on Chemtrails here: http://challengingyou.blogspot.com/2009/07/you-are-being-sprayed-with-chemicals.html

[illuminumnuts]

Saw what I presume to be a chemtrail plane tonight when looking at the meteor shower. Huge chemtrail! Illuminated by the moon and weird to see. Not seen anything like it before.

[audiolink]

Just caught a couple of planes in the act a wee while ago. Altho the trails are thinning out pretty quickly.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/audiolink21/ChemtrailsAgainoverESussex.jpg

[lupa]

just thought i'd post these guys literally just flew over so took a few pics' i've not seen them come over in tandem before that close to one another before. they were closer together than the photo looks.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/amberlane35/DSCF0671.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/amberlane35/DSCF0670.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/amberlane35/DSCF0669.jpg

[anthony65]

Hi Lupa: Funny you should mention the tandem planes. We had a pair flying next to each other, very close, until one of them switched to the up the arse routine. Didn't help them though as the trails didn't stick! :D

[lupa]

Hi Lupa: Funny you should mention the tandem planes. We had a pair flying next to each other, very close, until one of them switched to the up the arse routine. Didn't help them though as the trails didn't stick! :D


lol

yes these were in tandem until one split off left the battery's died in my camera though so couldn't capture that part.


note to self ..batts on charge at all times!

[worlds beyond]

Just wondering, is there any sort of campaigning or anything similar happening in UK yet.. to generate official admission or expose about chemtrails? Or to get them stopped??

I'm new here so apologies if missed earlier postings/info regarding this!

[john connor]

Grids everywhere...def a 10/10 from them...and still the sheeple dont see...

[keystone]

and the sheeple won't see whilst EVERY single persistent contrail is automatically classified as a chemtrail. Why can't people see that this approach just makes them look loopy and therefore the message also loopy? So its totally counterproductive.

and no I'm not a chemtrail denier.

Cheers

[anthony65]

and the sheeple won't see whilst EVERY single persistent contrail is automatically classified as a chemtrail. Why can't people see that this approach just makes them look loopy and therefore the message also loopy? So its totally counterproductive.

and no I'm not a chemtrail denier.

Cheers

Chemtrails are not just an airborne operation. They interact with the ground-based antennas that by now cover most of the world, including the oceans.

When the Americans wrote that they would control the global weather by 2025, they clearly knew how they were going to do that.

The Russians were using ground-based antennas to control the weather for many years. The Wall Street journal reported on a Russian weather control company in the early 1990's.

The fake clouds that we often see in our skies are generated by antennas. The lofar thread showed a classic example of this. Did you ever see that thread? If not, I'll see if I can find it and post it here. The real-time satellite pictures show a perfect circle of cloud cover with an epicentre in Holland's HAARP type antenna system. The circle extended a couple of hundred kilometers in diameter.

There is much, much more information about fake cloud generation.

My theory regarding chemtrails is that there are commercial planes whose fuel creates chemtrails in the right conditions. Then there are military planes with different fuel and finally black ops aircraft, possibly including drones which are the planes you can observe making the fattest ugliest chemtrails.

All jet fuel is a toxic mix of chemicals. Chemtrails just include an uglier mix. Each chemtrail plane could be spraying something different.

Telling the truth makes you appear loopy? In a mad world, you are probably right.

[revolutionplease]

i can safely say that the powers that be have got the hang of covering up the sky with SHITE ,tell me this why the fuck have we not got out the big sticks yet to beat the shit out of the companys that are doing this to the sky ,its only mid aug and its fucking freezing think in gonna hire a SUNBED so i dont get S.A.D IN THE MIDDLE OF FUCKING SUMMER ,ITS A FUCKING OUTRAGE THIS SHIT IS HAPPENING .think im gonna get a stock pile of clubs to beat the shit of the companys next year .

[beldazar]

i can safely say that the powers that be have got the hang of covering up the sky with SHITE ,tell me this why the fuck have we not got out the big sticks yet to beat the shit out of the companys that are doing this to the sky ,its only mid aug and its fucking freezing think in gonna hire a SUNBED so i dont get S.A.D IN THE MIDDLE OF FUCKING SUMMER ,ITS A FUCKING OUTRAGE THIS SHIT IS HAPPENING .think im gonna get a stock pile of clubs to beat the shit of the companys next year .

lol, yep I understand your frustration. I so look forward to days on the beach, lying in the sun etc....
Its like, "next week it will be good", then, "next week" :rolleyes:
Im sick to blinkin' death of it!
then in France they are being tortured with blistering heat!!! AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH! :mad:

[hagbard_celine]

The weather at the meet-up was lovely.:)

Then heavy and sudden chamtrailing began over Oxfordshire at about 2pm yesterday. See:

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3624/chemtrails1.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/chemtrails1.jpg/)

By 6.30 AM this morning the msky was covered with a sickly yellow haze. You can see natural clouds superimposed over the haze. NB: There were almost no clouds at all in the sky when the dump started yesterday afternoon:

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2034/chemtrails2.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/chemtrails2.jpg/)

[thelearner]

Here in Essex it has started off, as it was all last week.
07.45 Monday morning, we get this:mad:

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1485/1001130.th.jpg (http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001130.jpg)
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3923/1001131h.th.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001131h.jpg)
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/3541/1001132k.th.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001132k.jpg)

[hagbard_celine]

The story I relate in the above post has had an unexpected happy ending!:):

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63232&page=6

[worlds beyond]

Hi again,

I posted a week or two ago.. and still wondering, if there's any campaigning or action group or petitioning (or anything similar), to try and bring about some official admission/action on Chemtrails in UK??

I have a library full of Chemtrails photos I've taken on South coast in past 3 years.. it's time we all got our heads together and did something maybe?? Or is something already being done which I can add my voice/effort to??

Hope you all anjoy a chemtrail-free weekend!

[flyermay]

Hi again,

I posted a week or two ago.. and still wondering, if there's any campaigning or action group or petitioning (or anything similar), to try and bring about some official admission/action on Chemtrails in UK??

I have a library full of Chemtrails photos I've taken on South coast in past 3 years.. it's time we all got our heads together and did something maybe?? Or is something already being done which I can add my voice/effort to??

Hope you all anjoy a chemtrail-free weekend!

Here's the petition at the number10 website: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Chemtrail-Sprays/

[lw71]

I have a library full of Chemtrails photos I've taken on South coast in past 3 years.. it's time we all got our heads together and did something maybe?? Or is something already being done which I can add my voice/effort to??


Gifting Orgonite ???

[qpid]

this was the view out of my window this morning - its not in the UK its in the South of Germany....but it is all the same...

http://i27.tinypic.com/24ci8es.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/ehwsxx.jpg

[drc_]

and the sheeple won't see whilst EVERY single persistent contrail is automatically classified as a chemtrail. Why can't people see that this approach just makes them look loopy and therefore the message also loopy? So its totally counterproductive.

and no I'm not a chemtrail denier.

Cheers

You raise an interesting point ;)

But I can clearly see the difference between con and chem. I mean, I see the planes flying over all the time. Normal ones and spraying ones. Telling them apart has become easy really. But you have to really look at them, not just glance like most people. I find it gets across to people the best if they're willing to look at the sky for some time and actually observe what's going on there.

What would you suggest is a better approach?

[lw71]

http://www.orgonite.info/what-is-orgonite.html

http://www.orgonite.eu/index.php?main_page=page&id=7&chapter=0

http://www.warriormatrix.com/

http://www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/forum.php

http://www.ctbusters.com/home/

http://orgoniseafrica.com/

http://www.orgostar.es/

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62867

[spock]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06DaK8cs83c


from paddy's day 2009

[worlds beyond]

Hi :)

please can you elaborate a little?

thanks

Gifting Orgonite ???

[spock]

Hi :)

please can you elaborate a little?

thanks

lob some orgonite in an area where there are emf/chemtrails

[lw71]

Hi :)

please can you elaborate a little?

thanks


Placing Orgonite near the mobile towers/masts in an area in addition to placement of a Chembuster may well clear up 'suspiciously' overcast skies.

Refer to the list of links I posted above for more info....

"It has been the experience of many chembuster enthusiasts that the widespread deployment of digital cellular communications towers across the populated areas of the world in the last several years has created a thick blanket of DOR/negative energy which saturates our homes and communities, promotes drought, negativity, fear, etc., and significantly hinders chembuster operation (among many other detrimental effects).

However, it has been widely experienced that these negative effects can be disabled and chembusters can be made to start working properly again simply by tossing or burying small muffin-sized chunks of orgonite called TowerBusters (TB's) near all the cellphone towers in their area, an increasingly-popular activity which has become known as "gifting", and is conducted literally all over the world now by thousands of selfless and highly-dedicated individuals and Internet-organized groups."

From : http://www.orgonite.info/what-is-orgonite.html

[worlds beyond]

Thanks for info lw,

I have heard of it, but didn't know much about it, apart from it reportedly clearing Chemtrails... I also was never sure it would be of use here are we are bombarded almost every day AND night..

I've noticed recent months that they've changed from 6am to 8am and now 4am to 6am seems to be their favourite time to spray as thickly and widely as possible... and no matter how clear and blue the sky at that time, it is soon covered in a layer of thick hanging clouds.

my next question is.... where's best place to get Orgonite in UK? And what sort of cost is it?

[beldazar]

Thanks for info lw,

I have heard of it, but didn't know much about it, apart from it reportedly clearing Chemtrails... I also was never sure it would be of use here are we are bombarded almost every day AND night..

I've noticed recent months that they've changed from 6am to 8am and now 4am to 6am seems to be their favourite time to spray as thickly and widely as possible... and no matter how clear and blue the sky at that time, it is soon covered in a layer of thick hanging clouds.

my next question is.... where's best place to get Orgonite in UK? And what sort of cost is it?

Why dont you make your own? Its great fun looking for different moulds etc

[anthony65]

Thanks for info lw,

I have heard of it, but didn't know much about it, apart from it reportedly clearing Chemtrails... I also was never sure it would be of use here are we are bombarded almost every day AND night..

I've noticed recent months that they've changed from 6am to 8am and now 4am to 6am seems to be their favourite time to spray as thickly and widely as possible... and no matter how clear and blue the sky at that time, it is soon covered in a layer of thick hanging clouds.

my next question is.... where's best place to get Orgonite in UK? And what sort of cost is it?


Here is en excellent thread...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71354

Orgonite in the UK... Try whale orgone...

http://www.whale.to/orgone.html

http://www.whale.to/b/orgonite.html

http://www.whale.to/b/orgonite_v.html

[lw71]

Thanks for info lw,

I have heard of it, but didn't know much about it, apart from it reportedly clearing Chemtrails... I also was never sure it would be of use here are we are bombarded almost every day AND night..

I've noticed recent months that they've changed from 6am to 8am and now 4am to 6am seems to be their favourite time to spray as thickly and widely as possible... and no matter how clear and blue the sky at that time, it is soon covered in a layer of thick hanging clouds.

my next question is.... where's best place to get Orgonite in UK? And what sort of cost is it?

Plenty of places to buy it but I would recommend making some of your own for the best effect on you & your surroundings !

[raven200]

Right so you've all established that there are things such as chemtrails...

The question then lies that why are they used in the sky and what benefit does the government have of using chemical spraying in the skys.

Well keep an eye open for this from now on....

Everytime you see a chemtrail a few days after you will notice heavy clouds and then rain...

Reason being people, because these Chemtrails are from something known as Cloud Seeding.

These are chemicals released into a certain hieght in the atmosphere that chen these chemicals react with the clouds below they begin to create the appropriate clouds that will produce rain.

Though big problem then people, if we are using chemicals to induce rain then think about the water we drink.

We are constantly drinking contaminated water, now this is the cause for increasing the rise in cancers today.

We should sue our governments. :mad:

[anthony65]

Right so you've all established that there are things such as chemtrails...

The question then lies that why are they used in the sky and what benefit does the government have of using chemical spraying in the skys.

Well keep an eye open for this from now on....

Everytime you see a chemtrail a few days after you will notice heavy clouds and then rain...

Reason being people, because these Chemtrails are from something known as Cloud Seeding.

These are chemicals released into a certain hieght in the atmosphere that chen these chemicals react with the clouds below they begin to create the appropriate clouds that will produce rain.

Though big problem then people, if we are using chemicals to induce rain then think about the water we drink.

We are constantly drinking contaminated water, now this is the cause for increasing the rise in cancers today.

We should sue our governments. :mad:

This is only one small part of the story.

Chemtrails can also be used to stop rain from falling.

Cloud seeding is an out in the open operation that has been going on for decades, in Israel, for example, where they want the rain to fall on Israeli territory. The Americans used a lot of cloud seeding to literally muddy the Ho Chi Minh trail in Vietnam... in addition to spraying the defoliant Agent Orange of course.

The Russians and Chinese quite openly talk about rain prevention, at the Russian May Day parades for example.

The Chinese also spoke about creating artificial snow (in the sky) through chemical spray operations.

It is also possible to spray clouds that might send down hailstones to turn them into rain to avoid damaging property or crops.

And in addition to all this, there are the historically recorded testing operations of the British and American governments who have sprayed their populations with biological and chemical particles over decades.

Who knows what they are spraying now? Every batch of jet fuel could contain different additives. Dedicated spray planes could be spraying anything or a variety of purposes.

Geoengineering can be used as a weapon to deny rainfall or promote extreme rainfall. The spraying operations are conducted in concert with ground-based haarp-type antennas / ionispheric heaters.

The Wall Street journal ran a piece in the early 1990's about a Russian company who claimed that they could create weather using 10 metre high antennas... Mobile phone masts / TV towers anyone?

The chem soup is produced with the aid of the EMF fog.

Wankers! :mad:

[lw71]

The Wall Street journal ran a piece in the early 1990's about a Russian company who claimed that they could create weather using 10 metre high antennas... Mobile phone masts / TV towers anyone?

The chem soup is produced with the aid of the EMF fog.

Wankers! :mad:

Break out the Chembsters ! :)

[kohwoz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udEtOc2IFO8&feature=related

I'm sure you're all well aware of these, but this morning I was quite shocked to see 8 of them criss-crossing the sky over Southampton. It was a lovely sunny morning but very disturbing to see so many at once. Also spotted a few later in the day, but definitely more early on.

I've seen a few google vids on the subject, but does anyone know what the "official" verdict is, or are they still denying their existence?

It's very worrying, especially with lots of people coming down with strange, longer-lasting coughs/colds lately.

What can we do about it, any ideas?[/QUOTE]

[hagbard_celine]

Break out the Chembsters ! :)

I'm going to make one of them when I start making orgonite soon.:cool:

[cryst4l]

Hey all :)

Just had a light bulb moment. What if the chemtrails are there to prevent the sun reaching us. DNA is sun activated, or so I read, and if this is the case then could it be that the chemtrails are preventing the evolution of us DNA humans.

Maybe tptb know that we are going though an evolutionary cycle where there are going to be many changes on many levels and this is one reason behind the trails, along with the hope of exterminating a few million of us to help break down the numbers who will become aware of what they have and are doing equaling less resistance.

Just a thought!

[lw71]

Hey all :)

Just had a light bulb moment. What if the chemtrails are there to prevent the sun reaching us. DNA is sun activated, or so I read, and if this is the case then could it be that the chemtrails are preventing the evolution of us DNA humans.

Maybe tptb know that we are going though an evolutionary cycle where there are going to be many changes on many levels and this is one reason behind the trails, along with the hope of exterminating a few million of us to help break down the numbers who will become aware of what they have and are doing equaling less resistance.

Just a thought!

Wouldn't put it past them ! I've also wondered whether there's a connection between CT's & the fact that the Earth has been getting increasingly brighter ( as viewed from space ) for the last decade or so.

[lw71]

After a fair few days of trail free skies ( some overcast though so can't be absolutely sure ), they started laying them down last night someways over the english channel at sunset. Expecting the worst this morning, I was pleased to see a fair bit of blue from the bedroom window when I got up. Upon leaving the house & driving to work however there was a fair bit going on up there - over the sea & inland - lots of parallel lines, checkerboard formations, fat vertical lines of the stuff expanding - even had the dubious pleasure of seeing a proper 'chembow' amidst the rapidly spreading haze. It did however seem to be having a hard time settling. So, a few 'requests' were made & within an hour much interaction was taking place ( http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63232 ). The spraying stepped up for a bit & so did the intervention. By about 3 in the afternoon the sky was clear blue all over.

[spock]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06DaK8cs83c
my mate took this vid on st patricks day 2009

Mods: why was the video deleted from an earlier post in this thread? :confused:

[worlds beyond]

Where I am (Sussex coast) they are laying chemtrails earlier and earlier... last few years been approx 8am onwards, now this year, seems to be all done by around 6am.

This morning at 5.30am I watched a perfect blue sky, I kept going out to check .. by 6.30am it was decimated with over 19 separate major trails and scatterings of smaller ones with clear gaps in trails. Also, the usual regular passenger jets were going over towards continent at the same time.. with NO trails (chem OR con!)!!

Got some excellent photos, but am still unable to post images on here for some bizzare and unfathomable reason!

[lw71]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06DaK8cs83c
my mate took this vid on st patricks day 2009



I'd ask anyone in doubt of the reality of CT's to explain that display away, he should be congratulated on getting that ugliness recorded.

[spock]

I'd ask anyone in doubt of the reality of CT's to explain that display away, he should be congratulated on getting that ugliness recorded.


thanks mate....i'll tell him :D

[spock]

lots of trails today
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/120920091214.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/120920091215.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/120920091216.jpg

[lupa]

yes its bad in leicester today, i keep going out and taking photos. my lungs are full of gunk again grr

[rosie_matt]

Hi Everyone,
We have been making and gifting orgonite since 2002. We have seen many dramatic effects from placing towerbusters (small orgonite pieces) all around our area. We also have an orgonite cloudbuster out the back and have made others for people around the country. We get sprayed alot but it breaks up quickly once it gets near the gifted area.


All the best,
Matt & Rosie

[candygirl]

Trails started again today here in the S.W of England no pics sorry it was nice for a couple of days with zero trails now sky above is total criss cross patterns some cloud as well sun shinning here though so quite warm no wind.

[lw71]

Hi Everyone,
We have been making and gifting orgonite since 2002. We have seen many dramatic effects from placing towerbusters (small orgonite pieces) all around our area. We also have an orgonite cloudbuster out the back and have made others for people around the country. We get sprayed alot but it breaks up quickly once it gets near the gifted area.


All the best,
Matt & Rosie

Good to hear !

[griswald]

No trails in the Irish midlands for a long time. But today they are everywhere, serious trails. I took vids, and will post them up later tomorrow.

griswald

[kweli]

lots of trails today
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/120920091214.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/120920091215.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/120920091216.jpg

Shit! thanks for posting the pics. Where you based if you don't mind me asking?

I'm happy to report - we have the clearest blueist skies i've seen for a long long time here in S.Yorkshire. Not a cloud nor trail in sight! I've seen plenty of planes flying over (i live within a few miles of an airport) but not even a contrail to be seen - - strange but lovely all the same.

[nittylove]

The chemtrails today in Birmingham were the worst I have seen yet! I had my brother with me and he just said it was normal.

I said no way they are lasting for 30 mins and turning the blue into a haze. It's really hard trying to get through to family, it must be his ego. :(

[john connor]

Some from this morning

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2949/12septb.jpg

4th day this week.....not that Im counting :rolleyes:

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5192/12septa.jpg

oh and zoom in on this one....I didnt see them with the eye...i was aiming at the trails and 2 planes...see whats hiding in the trails??
answers on a postcard please to
WTFIT
PO BOX co2
Chemsville

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9205/12septcorbs.jpg

[spock]

Shit! thanks for posting the pics. Where you based if you don't mind me asking?


YW.
I'm in liverpool

4th day this week.....not that Im counting :rolleyes:


why would you.....there is noffink to worry about! :p

[holylucifer]

All about chemtrails.

:D Happy reading.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/environment/humans/chemtrails/news.php?q=1216155860

http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1203532#i

IAHF List: Please print this out, you're going to need the information and so will everyone you know.
The ruling elite have devised chemtrails as a means of covertly microchipping us all in order to create antennas inside of us via nanotechnology so as to make us totally controllable via a "psychocivilized" (electronically mind controlled) society. Using HAARP microwave antennas, the National Security Agency (NSA) can establish a seamless computer link direct to our brains, but first they're using chemtrails to get the nanoparticles into us which are reassembling in our bodies to form the antennas. WE CAN STOP THIS OUTRAGEOUS INVASION OF OUR BODIES & MINDS!
When people got angry and complained about the name and highly sinister logo (see above) of DARPA's "Information Awareness Office", the name of the office was "sanitized" by changing it to the "Terrorist Information Awareness Office"....

1) 'Chemtrails' are presently in operation for weather modification (disaster induction).

2) 'Chemtrails' contain nano-engineered biologics. This is a weaponized parasite. Host saturation is 99%+ . This means we are all infected. Infection includes intracellular anomalies in both human macrophage and RBC (red blood cell), apparent soft tissue fungal infection, and 'de novo' synthesis of novel foreign protein crystals."

HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF BY DOING HERBAL CLEANSES
To keep the nano particles in the chemtrails from being able to assemble in the body so that you can't be microchipped from the inside and thereby mind controlled- and to protect from the parasites and heavy metals in the chemtrails, it is necessary to do the following herbal cleanses:
I can't provide a "one size fits all" protocol for everyone on the IAHF list to follow when it comes to doing a parasite/bowel cleanse, a kidney cleanse, and a liver cleanse for the simple reason that there are thousands of people on the IAHF list with every imaginable health situation- but I can provide basic guidelines. Its up to you whether or not you think you need to consult a Naturopath or an MD when doing these cleanses but if you have any sort of serious health situation, I would strongly recommend it.
My starting point was to read this information on inner body cleanses/ detox protocols by Hulda Clarke, ND http://curezone.com/cleanse/ I don't have cancer though, so I don't need to do everything suggested here and odds are neither do most of you.
An herbalist/ Naturopath on the IAHF list has advised me to follow the instructions shown below, so this is what I'm going to do, but it might not be right for you, you'll need to decide this yourself. If in doubt, please consult a professional:
1. Parasite/Bowel Cleanse-
You'll need to get 4oz of an herbal tincture called "Clarkia" which is a combination of Black Walnut Green Hull, Cloves & Wormwood leaves and flowers! Those 3 herbs have been traditionally used as a herbal remedy against human parasitic animals, parasitic bacteria, parasitic viruses and fungi. Beside herbs, Clarkia contains purified water and 30% grain alcohol.
These three herbs must be used together. Black walnut hull and wormwood kill adults and developmental stages of at least 100 parasites. Cloves kill the eggs. Only if you use them together will you rid yourself of parasites. If you kill only the adults, the tiny stages and eggs will soon grow into new adults. If you kill only the eggs, the million stages already loose in your body will soon grow into adults and make more eggs. They must be used together as a single treatment."
You can get Clarkia here http://drclarkia.com/ Using tincture is better than capsules because it makes it easier to adjust by backing off a bit if you get headaches from the wormwood in it.
Instructions for doing Parasite/Bowel Cleanse:
Colon Cleanse via vegetable juice fast for 48 hours in beginning of parasite cleanse. Suggest drinking organic pineapple juice, also plenty of water, and add garlic which is an antifungal, anti parasitic agent.
You must maintain regular bowel movements throughout cleanse very important: at least one per day if not use coffee enema. 4 oz of Clarkia tincture will cover one person for full cleanse. Wormwood can cause headaches. If this happens when following the program below, back off by a few drops til headache stops and complete program at that dose.
The dose is 10 drops (not dropper full) 3 times daily diluted in small amount of water (bad taste) increasing up to 20 drops 3 times daily if no negative reaction. 7 day break after every 14 days of usage - 2 weeks - 1 week break, another 2 weeks then 1 week break, 2 weeks - 1 week break then last 2 weeks. (11 weeks total 8 active weeks) keep diet clean absolutely no added sugar, sugar substitutes or caffeine. Drink lemon water.
If you see any rice looking things or round worms that look like long pasta in toilet etc that continue to appear in each bowel movement through mid way point of cleanse then I would tell you to add 10 drops of Clarkia into Coffee and perform enema.
You can purchase enema bags at most pharmacy's they allow for adding own ingredients. Yes you are able to self administer but wear gloves it is messy. Actually performed this task in the woods. Don't laugh did not want mess in house carried bag for trashing gloves, bucket of fresh water and clean disposable cloth (baby wipes). If someone did see me going into woods would not think anything since I am avid hiker. Again, I do not think you are a chronic parasite case one enema is probably enough unless constipation begins.

2. Kidney Cleanse: Take 2 quarts of distilled water and a bunch of parsley. Simmer the parsley in the water and allow to cool. Drink two glasses per day until gone.
3. Liver Cleanse: Purpose is to loosen up and remove gallstones and remove intestinal parasites.
First one must complete steps 1 and 2 do preliminary parasite killing and cleanse your kidneys. Your liver can get infested with intestinal parasites. If you not kill these first liver purge will not be as effective.
Next, must soften liver stones before the purge. A week before liver purge drink as much apple juice as possible. Apple juice contains phosphoric acid that will soften stones helping them to clear during purge. Could cause rise in blood sugar and increase Candida if prone to yeast infections.
Can purchase ortho phosphoric acid tablets from health food store and take for a week if concerned about increase in blood sugar or yeast infections.
Choose a day when you do not have to be anywhere. Be warned------purging the liver releases lots of toxins. You will probably feel very sick. It will go away as soon as your body expels toxins.
You will need:
Epsom salt, 6 to 8 tablespoons
2 or 3 fresh pink grapefruits
Unrefined sesame, walnut or flax oil (1/2 to ? cup)
On the day of liver purge take no medications, herbs or vitamins- anything that will have to go through liver. Eat no fat of any kind that increases EFAs. In order for the purge to work you must build bile pressure. If you eat fat the liver and gallbladder will rebile to digest the fat lowering the bile pressure.
For breakfast have some fresh fruit or raw vegetables. Same for lunch.
DO NOT EAT AFTER 2:00PM
Mix the Epsom Salt into 5 cups of water. Refrigerate improves taste.
6:00 pm It is time for first dose. Take 1 cup of Epson Salt. Drink some fresh water and a little taste of honey to get the bad taste out of your mouth.
7:00 pm Take your second dose of Epsom Salt 1 cup
8:00 pm Take another dose 1 cup
9:45pm Poor ? to ? cup of unrefined sesame, walnut or flax oil into jar. Squeeze the pink grapefruit by hand into cup should be ? to ? cup. Add to oil. Close and shake hard until watery.
Now go to bathroom. Finish anything you need to do before bed. Timing is critical.
10:00 pm the big moment has arrived. Plug your nose and down as quickly as possible the grapefruit mixture. Follow with plain water and a little bit of honey to remove bad taste. Down in 5 minutes or sooner.
Oil causes the liver to release a surge of bile. This is what forces the stones out. You will probably feel very nauseous shortly afterward. Just think about the way you feel now the next time you are tempted to eat a liver clogging food.
Lie down immediately. The sooner you lie down the better. Do ten very deep breaths will create a suction-type action in your abdomen.
You may be feeling stones roll down your bile duct. Now it is time to blast the little buggers out of the park. Need to create pressure on the liver located middle to right side of body in the top of your abdomen. Just below lungs & diaphragm. It should be completely full of bile right now.
Place both left and right palms down on your upper abdomen slightly to the right below ribcage. Press down with the fingers and palms like you?re pumping something should hear squishing sound. This is the sound of the bile being forced out of liver.
Note if you do not hear this sound do ten more deep breaths and wait fifteen minutes.
Now little more forcefully press down again. Continue this pumping action slowly to the left.
Continue to do this until you?ve forced all the bile out. You will be able to feel and hear when the bile has been forced into GI tract.
Time for bed. Sleep flat on your back. The next morning drink last cup of Epsom Salts. Wait a few hours then eat.
If everything worked you will find toilet bowl full of liver stones. Vary in size and color. Benefit with one purge but will see additional benefits of purging every 2 weeks until liver is completely clear. Then do this purge at least once a year for maintenance.
Please donate to IAHF- Your Help is Badly Needed to Bring This Mssg to the Masses:

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As for my self living in bournemouth very close to bournemouth international airport, i've seen like 3 or 4 chemtrails lately.

[mark1963]

I have not seen any since the 13th Sept, where we had a couple of days of clear chemtrails going over.

Anyone else having this experience?

[banjoreality]

I have not seen any since the 13th Sept, where we had a couple of days of clear chemtrails going over.

Anyone else having this experience?

they ve calmed down here in Spain lately (over the last week), almost gets me worried got so used to the bloody things, when they don't come it gets me wondering even more, why yesterday and not today, there were only a couple today, they seemed to be holding the clouds at bay, it rained with a storm tonight.

[mystic nomad]

@ john connor,

Interesting pics there, these little things keep popping up in some of my pics too. I tried fiddling about analysing that last one but couldn't get anything conclusive, although when I zoomed in as far as I could and used "find edges" it slightly resembled a sting ray with a very short tail.

[spock]

i found a vid my mate did last year in the lake district.
it has 4 passanger planes? flying in formation making trials.
will post later.

why do the vids disapear from this thread?

[spock]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPv4NaT_chA

[camreeno]

I'm from Northern California, near San francisco and I've seen NO chemtrails at all. The skies are just crystal clear here almost all the time and I've never seen anything.

[steevo]

Tons of chemtrails here today and yesterday in Northern England.

[lw71]

....or did Buster Crabbe know about Chemtrails ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAWRTk_-SM&feature=player_embedded

[john connor]

I'm from Northern California, near San francisco and I've seen NO chemtrails at all. The skies are just crystal clear here almost all the time and I've never seen anything.

Really was their in Jan and there were loads...got the pics to prove it

[infowarrior89uk]

Ok, here are a few chemtrail photos I took Berkshire. These are my most recent captures..
I have literally hundreds of chemtrail photos and videos that I've captured within the past year.

http://i33.tinypic.com/2cgo9om.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/1zq4qbm.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/nyh575.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/6eeu0o.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/1zg6iyg.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/402ts.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/2gsmivs.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/2vl5ton.jpg

Anyone else see the demonic face in the above photo?



http://i36.tinypic.com/df7ec2.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/213luok.jpg

The last photo was taken today.

[spock]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=megUf8sOj4Y

a load of trails. filmed by a mate and just stuck together.
no sound.

[kweli]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=megUf8sOj4Y

a load of trails. filmed by a mate and just stuck together.
no sound.

Thank your mate from me. That's some great footage he's collated.

Please don't ignore this video folks.. this chap has captured some amazing (abnormal) activity in our skies.

[infowarrior89uk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=megUf8sOj4Y

a load of trails. filmed by a mate and just stuck together.
no sound.


This is a very good collection of chemtrail activity. I am going to forward this video on to some of my sceptical friends and family who insist they are contrails or high altitude clouds.

[eternal wheel]

This is a very good collection of chemtrail activity. :D:D:D:rolleyes:

I am going to forward this video on to some of my sceptical friends and family who insist they are contrails or high altitude clouds.

ohh, please tell me what they say after viewing that vid of vapour trails and clouds, no, really, please, do. ROFPMSL.

can someone please show me some proper, scientific evidence of chem trails please?

photos of them with exact location and time noted. direction of pic. accurate weather at the altitude in question. cross-referenced with known civil aviation corridors, find out if the plane in question could be a civil airliner by cross-referencing flights by air lines, etc, etc, etc.

how about we all club together and buy a high altitude balloon to collect samples? i'd be more than happy to contribute some hard cash.

i came into this with an open mind, eager to learn about something new, but so far it's all been pretty laughable.
please, can someone give me some science? rather than just every vapour trail is toxic evilness by lizard beings from the planet zargg.

but seriously, IF there is something going on up there, i want to know about it. most posts on here really do the cause no favours at all.

thanks.

[spock]

:D:D:D:rolleyes:



ohh, please tell me what they say after viewing that vid of vapour trails and clouds, no, really, please, do. ROFPMSL.

can someone please show me some proper, scientific evidence of chem trails please?

photos of them with exact location and time noted. direction of pic. accurate weather at the altitude in question. cross-referenced with known civil aviation corridors, find out if the plane in question could be a civil airliner by cross-referencing flights by air lines, etc, etc, etc.

how about we all club together and buy a high altitude balloon to collect samples? i'd be more than happy to contribute some hard cash.

i came into this with an open mind, eager to learn about something new, but so far it's all been pretty laughable.
please, can someone give me some science? rather than just every vapour trail is toxic evilness by lizard beings from the planet zargg.

but seriously, IF there is something going on up there, i want to know about it. most posts on here really do the cause no favours at all.

thanks.

in that vid there is one plane leaving a contrail in the midst of a load of chemtrails.
how is that possible if they are at the same altitude?
some stick some don't. it's nothing to do with atmospheric conditions.
at 26,000 feet it's -40C.

some go off and come back on again.

laughable my arse. even if it's just plane exhausts leaving harmless clouds it's very serious as it appears to be effecting our weather and the amount of available sunlight.
why aren't the green dudes all over this?

[eternal wheel]

thanks for replying.

in that vid there is one plane leaving a contrail in the midst of a load of chemtrails.
no there isn't.

how is that possible if they are at the same altitude?
who says they are at the same altitude?? have you cross-referenced flight plans with the known location?? planes can fly at different altitudes, you know, they can also vary their altitude.....


some stick some don't.
sorry, i don't understand? what 'sticks'??


it's nothing to do with atmospheric conditions.
that's just plain wrong. it is EVERYTHING to do with atmospheric conditions.


at 26,000 feet it's -40C.
sometimes.

some go off and come back on again.
don't understand that either??


laughable my arse.
so far, yes.

even if it's just plane exhausts leaving harmless clouds it's very serious as it appears to be effecting our weather and the amount of available sunlight.
why aren't the green dudes all over this?
aha!! now that i TOTALLY agree with!:D


what about my other points?
are you willing to put some cash into a pot to properly investigate this?

[eternal wheel]

an old post from another thread, but it seems relevant...


Re chemtrails;
I have known about them for years from conspiracy sites and such. The premise of spraying chemicals in the air for nefarious purposes is fine with me. But... I have never seen them. I used to do a lot of surfing in Victoria, so I would look at the sky a lot to check the clouds for weather activity etc. Plus when you are sitting in the ocean on a surfboard you tend to be looking at the sky a lot anyway.

I grew up in Melbourne and don't recall ever seeeing them. My friends who introduced me to Icke about nine years ago and who live in Melbourne, never report seeing them.

If they are as common as people on this forum and on the net are saying, why hasn't anyone with inside info. come forward? Why don't we have lists of where the planes are taking off and landing? If they are so common, why doesn't someone set up a high powered camera with a killer telephoto lens and photograph the spraying apparatus of the planes? It seems to be an everyday occurence all over the world yet I can't find any substatial proof, only the trails in the skies. Every other 'conspiracy' has reams of data on it. I can find entire books detailing where underground bases and alien hangouts are, but I haven't seen one airport facility that is involved in this or what type of plane is the most common.
I have looked a lot of the websites and blogs, weartherwars, chemtrail conspiracy (they seem to be the common ones that people refer too) and others, but they all have photos and not much else. I have actually found better explanations about them being contrails (which do appear to join togethor and form cirrus clouds). (*edit* and maybe there are more trails these days because there is more general air traffic).

I am not trying to be a smartarse. I know there are some people on here who are very passionate about this. But I can't believe it is as extensive as it's supposed to be and nobody can tell me the airports and planes involoved, the companies, the chemicals, no pilots have blown the whistle etc. Which arm of the military or secret agency is in charge of operations?

[wobbler]

http://tankerenemy.blogspot.com/

http://www.orbwar.com/

http://www.bariumblues.com/index.htm

http://www.incapabledesetaire.com/edito/chemtrailov.htm

[mystic nomad]

:D:D:D:rolleyes:



ohh, please tell me what they say after viewing that vid of vapour trails and clouds, no, really, please, do. ROFPMSL.

can someone please show me some proper, scientific evidence of chem trails please?

photos of them with exact location and time noted. direction of pic. accurate weather at the altitude in question. cross-referenced with known civil aviation corridors, find out if the plane in question could be a civil airliner by cross-referencing flights by air lines, etc, etc, etc.

how about we all club together and buy a high altitude balloon to collect samples? i'd be more than happy to contribute some hard cash.

i came into this with an open mind, eager to learn about something new, but so far it's all been pretty laughable.
please, can someone give me some science? rather than just every vapour trail is toxic evilness by lizard beings from the planet zargg.

but seriously, IF there is something going on up there, i want to know about it. most posts on here really do the cause no favours at all.

thanks.



I would suggest, researching into what's a contrail and what's a chemtrail for yourself. For those that do know these operations are taking place it has probably been quite a difficult realisation and have enough trouble trying to point it out to those they hold dear.
If you are so young or urbanised that you don't remember or even know what the sky and a "normal" contrail look like then perhaps you should take a few days out on your own, find a good view point high on a hill or somewhere and just wait....... Hopefully(:mad:) you will get a day of continual heavy spraying and a day without.
As a paranoid(:rolleyes:) schizophrenic(:D) that does know they are spraying right across the globe, I ask you to come back with some evidence to prove to me and the other deluded lunatics here that they are not. Start your own thread, where you can record such easily obtainable information such as flight paths times etc. Record all the flights, times and directions you observe with your own eyes, co-relate them and let us know what you come up with. I will gladly help in anyway I can to obtain air samples etc.

Because you are asking for others to come up with evidence for you and show you that it is happening speaks volumes about you're state of awareness. If you are that eager to learn something new, then learn about it, if you want to be told then go and ask the CAA, MET office or BBC.

i came into this with an open mind, eager to learn about something new, but so far it's all been pretty laughable.
please, can someone give me some science? rather than just every vapour trail is toxic evilness by lizard beings from the planet zargg.

No one has said that every "vapour trail" is toxic evilness, although anything deposited in our atmosphere that shouldn't be there isn't going to do anything a lot of good.

The premise of spraying chemicals in the air for nefarious purposes is fine with me. :confused: Just about sums it up! You chose to bring that thread to this forum!!

[spock]

thanks for replying.
no there isn't.


goto 3 mins on the chemtrail full movie. you will see a plane with a contrail that lasts for approx 100 meters.
it does not leave a trail that stays for hours.

when i said some stick, i mean some stay around for hours.
and some disapear immediately.


how is it everything to do with atmospheric conditions? have you checked your barometer when on a day when trails are forming?
who are you? and what do you know that we don't, to dissmiss such a statement?

some go off and go on again? i meant. some planes leaving thick trails sudenly stop making trails. then then start again after a short break.

cash in who's pot? i am investigating by myself or with my mate.
i will try to raise awareness by pointing out the fact that some planes leave trails others don't.
trying to get people to notice the skies above them.
i am not trying to prove the existance of chemicals in the clouds. i'll leave that for others. i do not have the equipment for such studies.
just the existance of planes that make clouds and planes that don't.


if you watch the St Patricks day film you will see a massive grid layed down by planes.
the sky was thick with trails. not one bit of sky was blue and there was hardly any "REAL" clouds.
the sun was almost blocked out and the light was weird.

i have uploaded the films of planes that are making clouds.
some days they make loads. some days they don't make any. some planes make clouds. some planes don't.

[eternal wheel]

http://tankerenemy.blogspot.com/

http://www.orbwar.com/

http://www.bariumblues.com/index.htm

http://www.incapabledesetaire.com/edito/chemtrailov.htm

thanks for those links, i'll have a good look at them.

[eternal wheel]

I would suggest, researching into what's a contrail and what's a chemtrail for yourself.
i'm trying to, begining by asking people who've been looking into it for longer than i have.
If you are so young
aww, shucks, i'm mid forties.
or urbanised
i've spent my whole life in the country
that you don't remember or even know what the sky and a "normal" contrail look like then perhaps you should take a few days out on your own, find a good view point high on a hill or somewhere and just wait.......
i do that often. most enjoyable.
Hopefully(:mad:) you will get a day of continual heavy spraying and a day without.
you mean a day of weather conditions condusive to vapour trails, and one not??
I ask you to come back with some evidence to prove to me and the other deluded lunatics here that they are not.
i didn't say it didn't take place, just i haven't seen any evidence yet.

Start your own thread,
i did, asking for info.

where you can record such easily obtainable information such as flight paths times etc. Record all the flights, times and directions you observe with your own eyes, co-relate them and let us know what you come up with. I will gladly help in anyway I can to obtain air samples etc.
thanks, i might take you up on that. when i get 2 seconds to myself it's something i intend to do.

Because you are asking for others to come up with evidence for you and show you that it is happening speaks volumes about you're state of awareness.
yes, awareness that something MIGHT be going on, and others have studied it more than me.

anything deposited in our atmosphere that shouldn't be there isn't going to do anything a lot of good.
agree.

[eternal wheel]

goto 3 mins on the chemtrail full movie. you will see a plane with a contrail that lasts for approx 100 meters.
it does not leave a trail that stays for hours.

when i said some stick, i mean some stay around for hours.
and some disapear immediately.


how is it everything to do with atmospheric conditions? have you checked your barometer when on a day when trails are forming?
who are you? and what do you know that we don't, to dissmiss such a statement?

some go off and go on again? i meant. some planes leaving thick trails sudenly stop making trails. then then start again after a short break.

cash in who's pot? i am investigating by myself or with my mate.
i will try to raise awareness by pointing out the fact that some planes leave trails others don't.
trying to get people to notice the skies above them.
i am not trying to prove the existance of chemicals in the clouds. i'll leave that for others. i do not have the equipment for such studies.
just the existance of planes that make clouds and planes that don't.


if you watch the St Patricks day film you will see a massive grid layed down by planes.
the sky was thick with trails. not one bit of sky was blue and there was hardly any "REAL" clouds.
the sun was almost blocked out and the light was weird.

i have uploaded the films of planes that are making clouds.
some days they make loads. some days they don't make any. some planes make clouds. some planes don't.

thanks for the clarifications, i'll re-watch the vid clip.

[marpat]

With regard to what spock said about contrial lasting only 100 meters, I have seen persistant trail where there are portions that have dispersed so what is going on in those cases? I have also seen trails where part of it is quite focussed but where part of the same trail is very dispersed, so again what is the explanation for that?

[eternal wheel]

hi marpat, during my time lurking on here before joining i think your posts impressed me most.
unfortunatley i don't think my enquiries into this subject are welcome, it seems to be for 'believers' only.
this site is not open to debate on the subject
as a 'newbie', maybe i'd best just be quiet and look at the lovely vapour trail pics.

[fekdemasons]

hi marpat, during my time lurking on here before joining i think your posts impressed me most.
unfortunatley i don't think my enquiries into this subject are welcome, it seems to be for 'believers' only.

as a 'newbie', maybe i'd best just be quiet and look at the lovely vapour trail pics.


Marpat,


YOu know your not allowed more than one user Id !!!:D:D:p

[antinwo]

I saw the strangest thing the other day. Five planes flying adjacent to each other and all leaving trails that spread out into the sky:eek:

[white horse]

Marpat,


YOu know your not allowed more than one user Id !!!:D:D:p

Laugh I nearly shat!! :D

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/950/10030064392d5e472fa1.jpg

[spock]

unfortunatley i don't think my enquiries into this subject are welcome, it seems to be for 'believers' only.

as a 'newbie', maybe i'd best just be quiet and look at the lovely vapour trail pics.

your always welcome ew. ;) it's good to talk stuff over.
questions need to be asked and answered or we'll be here for ever wondering.
and i don't hold a grudge because your a newbie and not a high post tart.
for all i know you could be very well informed and been reading in the wings for ages..:)
or even someone important who gives a shit and needs a solid story???

but i see clouds left by planes and no one knows why.

[eternal wheel]

thanks spock.
i've re-watched that vid you posted. sorry, but all i can see are vapour trails.
the opening shot looks like military planes, but i've no idea where in the world the shots were taken, so it's difficult to comment further.

to answer an earlier question about why there are so many 'trails these days, it's because there are a hell of a lot more commercial jets flying now than 30 years ago. do people think that the only reason that they build more runways at major airports is because the pikeys had a load of cheap tarmac 'left over from another job'? they build them because they are clogged up with planes!

to re-state my position, i'm fully aware of the weather manipulation with silver iodide etc thats been going on for decades. i believe global dimming is a problem caused by the amount of civil aviation up there.
i have yet to see any evidence of 'chemtrails', especially on the scale talked about on here. this doesn't mean they don't exist, but posting pics of dispersed vapour trails, and shouting 'look, chemtrail' isn't proof.

[banjoreality]

eternal wheel, please ask precise questions and not just "do they exist"? I have been looking into this for three years now, so please ask questions that will help you understand precise aspects, the weather has been modified by the industrial military complex for at least a decade, look up the HAARP patent, read Wilhelm Reich's research on orgone energy and weather manipulation, read up on Tesla's work on electro magnetics (exotic tech.).
Good luck.

[iitokio]

I live in East Anglia and today the weather has been very wet with strong winds.

Up until about 3pm, the clouds cleared and to my surprise the sky was thick full of chemtrails. I don't usually see that many but the sky was literally full of them. I noticed the cloud cover was relatively low while it was windy and wet so they must have been using the clouds to cover up their activity.