UK Chemtrails

[fekdemasons]

Here are all the pictures I took in just 1 month.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/album.php?albumid=313

(Not sure you can see my picture album)

How did you get that snap inside the plane ?

[flyermay]

How did you get that snap inside the plane ?

:D Contacts mate

[flyermay]

Here are all the pictures I took in just 1 month.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/album.php?albumid=313

(Not sure you can see my picture album)

By the way, I got many more, that's just the tip of the iceberg (the ones I've posted in this forum).

[anthony65]

Amazing!!!

But bear in mind that if the "Air Forces monthly" is publishing that article the US airforce is already far beyond the plasma clouds. In the same way that the stealth bombers and fighters were developed decades before we ever heard of them.

I would like to see if they did any studies about the effect that all these stuff has on the atmosphere and the environment in general.

But bear in mind that if the "Air Forces monthly" is publishing that article the US airforce is already far beyond the plasma clouds. In the same way that the stealth bombers and fighters were developed decades before we ever heard of them.

Absolutely!

The book Angels Don't Play This HAARP mentions an article in the Wall Street Journal from 1992 where a Russian Company claimed to offer weather made-to-order over a wide area. They used antennas, up to 25 feet high I think.

Search for wall street journal Elate Intelligent Technologies and you get plenty of hits, but not the original article.

It is mentioned in this Rense article...

http://www.rense.com/general18/mn.htm

The breakup of the Soviet Union in the 1990s ushered in brave new opportunities in weather modification. The New York Times reported on September 24, 1992, that a Russian company was openly selling electronic equipment to manipulate the weather in a specific area. The Times noted that certain Russian farmers used the weather-control technology to alter the climate for better crop yields.

A little over a month later, the Wall Street Journal reported that Russian company Elate Intelligence Technologies Inc. was selling weather-control equipment using the slogan "Weather made to order." The Journal quoted Igor Pirogoff as saying that Hurricane Andrew, which did an estimated $17 billion in damage, could have been turned "into a wimpy little squall" by his company.

[col_ad74]

Today Derby UK
Heavy spraying
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/col_ad74/IMG_3898.jpg
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/col_ad74/IMG_3899.jpg
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/col_ad74/IMG_3902.jpg
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/col_ad74/IMG_3903.jpg


Recent
right turn
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/col_ad74/IMG_3880.jpg
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/col_ad74/IMG_3878.jpg
broken line
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/col_ad74/IMG_3875.jpg

[cleopatraxxx]

But bear in mind that if the "Air Forces monthly" is publishing that article the US airforce is already far beyond the plasma clouds. In the same way that the stealth bombers and fighters were developed decades before we ever heard of them.

Absolutely!

The book Angels Don't Play This HAARP mentions an article in the Wall Street Journal from 1992 where a Russian Company claimed to offer weather made-to-order over a wide area. They used antennas, up to 25 feet high I think.

Search for wall street journal Elate Intelligent Technologies and you get plenty of hits, but not the original article.

It is mentioned in this Rense article...

http://www.rense.com/general18/mn.htm

The breakup of the Soviet Union in the 1990s ushered in brave new opportunities in weather modification. The New York Times reported on September 24, 1992, that a Russian company was openly selling electronic equipment to manipulate the weather in a specific area. The Times noted that certain Russian farmers used the weather-control technology to alter the climate for better crop yields.

A little over a month later, the Wall Street Journal reported that Russian company Elate Intelligence Technologies Inc. was selling weather-control equipment using the slogan "Weather made to order." The Journal quoted Igor Pirogoff as saying that Hurricane Andrew, which did an estimated $17 billion in damage, could have been turned "into a wimpy little squall" by his company.

good finds

tnx for the posts

really interesting and not surprising, but even those like marpat will never believe it, LOL


by the way, here in Bradford, the sky was FULL of criss-crossed lines of chemtrails. at 8 AM that.. :(

the weather is beautiful these days
spring is definitely in its glamour :). if it is correct to say that :)

[cleopatraxxx]

[QUOTE=col_ad74;945746]Today Derby UK
Heavy spraying
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/col_ad74/IMG_3898.jpg


here the same
horrible
i am in Bradfrod...

ACTUALLY THE WHOLE MORNING IT STINKS OF SOMETHING VERY CHEMICHAL. I CAN'T IDENTIFY THE SMELL THOUGH...

[anthony65]

good finds

tnx for the posts

really interesting and not surprising, but even those like marpat will never believe it, LOL


by the way, here in Bradford, the sky was FULL of criss-crossed lines of chemtrails. at 8 AM that.. :(

the weather is beautiful these days
spring is definitely in its glamour :). if it is correct to say that :)

Cheers Cleo!

Note the mention of Hurricane Andrew! They can turn them up or turn them down. They generally choose to turn them up. they could also alter the paths, which they do, to aim for populated areas.

Weather is supposed to be scary!

Mother Nature is a monster to be tamed!

Spring is springing here too by the way!

Beautiful!

The sky is looking a bit whitish right now, but I reckon the sun might burn that off later.

Not many trails sticking...

** You mention 8am. It's very interesting to see how early they get to work so that people wake up to a noughts and crosses game in the sky.

That's what I saw here on a regular basis a couple of years ago, but I see it a lot less now...

;)

[flyermay]

They've been here too at miday!!!

But 2 things have changed since the past week. The chemtrails don't stick as easily as before, and now the are more often seeing at miday than at 7pm.

As you can see in the pictures, the chemtrials turn quickly into a mist, instead of staying as chemtrails for hours before forming the mist.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3449http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3448

I had more pictures, but I'm still learning how to use the new camera; and unfortunately I deleted the first ones of the planes by mistake.

Anothony, I'm wondering if you have a recent map of the gifted areas so that I can contrast with my picutures; where did you get them?

[anthony65]

They've been here too at miday!!!

But 2 things have changed since the past week. The chemtrails don't stick as easily as before, and now the are more often seeing at miday than at 7pm.

As you can see in the pictures, the chemtrials turn quickly into a mist, instead of staying as chemtrails for hours before forming the mist.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3449http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3448

I had more pictures, but I'm still learning how to use the new camera; and unfortunately I deleted the first ones of the planes by mistake.

Anothony, I'm wondering if you have a recent map of the gifted areas so that I can contrast with my picutures; where did you get them?

I got them from etheric warriors and this was the latest version of the map, but at least one of the gifters was planning to do more I think.

The other gifter had spent enough on cleaning up your skies! :D

Interesting what you describe with the mist! Steevo just mentioned that on another thread and that's pretty much what I'm seeing here today!

[rockinrobinsuk]

7.15am i left for work the sky had about 15 trails and this is in norwich uk now im home and guess what still spraying wtf.

[flyermay]

They've been at it all afternoon, and I lost all the pictures but this one taken just now.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3450

My power supply simply blew up and I had to open the PC, buy a new one and install it. And just on the day we had chemtrails all day long and my new camera arrived.

[fekdemasons]

Been out all day , but had my eye out.

Is this the biggest spraying day ever ?

Heathrow near my Dads there were literally hundreds of trails from 9.00 am all day.

WTF will it take to switch people on ?

[cleopatraxxx]

Ladies and gentleman,

1. ) It looks like we have many more new subscribers talking on this issue> i feel this is fabulous. People are becoming more alert to this fact. that is very good news.

2. ) i was thinking here: if they want to depopulate us, then chemtrails could be one of the poisoning ways of doing it, on the other hand, would the pilots who have to fly these planes be NOT AWARE that these trails that are left by the aircraft are not harmfull? could they be given another story? i don't believe intelligent man and woman who fly these machines would follow doing it if they knew the real cause. after all their families are on the ground too, and we all breath this in.

3. ) could it be that they are given the version that the trails are actually part of a secret operation to protect the atmosphere all over the world, manipulating British and other countries climates? would that make any sense? s they keep on doing it thinking they are big heroes?

note: i respect pilots in general. i think they are there because they are strong characters and risk their lives on a daily basis. and i would imagine they are decent humans too. (there are exceptions of course, hehe, just like in any thing)

Another version:
From the point of view of preparing the perfect atmospheric conditions for the FAKE ALIEN INVASION of our skies via some kind of hologram projections in these "super charged" skies:
this scenario would creat fear of hundreds of peoples on this planet to enforce some global police state to calm them down... shortly after, enforcing microchiping of humans and all live creartures as some kind of "protection" from the "kidnapping" of humans by "aliens"...could that be a possibility??? similar to the "V" series...they came as friends, but were actually storing humans as food on their spaceships. In reality what we would have is all fake, but humans would still be REALLY dissapearing, due to the depopulating agenda... ????:confused:

one thing is definitely true: the amount of cases of respiratory diseases without a proper cause has risen terribly. all overt he world. Their medical excuse is: a stronger type of flu virus... that's why old medication doesn't work anymore... to me it seems that previous medication is effective once or twice but causing long term deficiency, destroying the health of the body and hence "new" medications will actually do the same: work for some time untill the body gets more weakened... catching the "virus" over and over... ???

:eek:
HELP!...
Cleo...going mental trying to find the real answeres to this MADNESS...:o

tnx..

[banjoreality]

:eek:
HELP!...
Cleo...going mental trying to find the real answeres to this MADNESS...:o

tnx..[/QUOTE]

I think the reason why you are going nuts is normal, I think it's D: all of the

above....yes it's for vaccines, yes it's for bacteria, yes it's for testing (our

apathy and stupidity), yes it's for depopulation, gene mutation, weather

manipulation.........and more!!!!

IMHO they are multi reality levels to this (thnks DI!) the quotes I have heard

from whistle blowers say the military approach the airports, tell the

companies they'll get lot's of dosh for testing this "perfectly harmless"

aerosol program, on A NEED TO KNOW BASIS.

I personally believe the top levels (reptilians or whatever) know that the

increase in certain cosmic phenomena (cosmic rays or whatever) will

reactivate our junk DNA and they are very scared of this, Imagine a whole

planet full of angry X-men!!!

I believe the good news is: a little bunch of sick power mad psychos can't

stop evolution.

Have you read the Montaulk project? (Peter Moon) It helped me to

understand how far away the average lemming (me) is from reality, the

military think that we, the plebs live in 2009 (the middle ages) and that

they are living (technologically) in the year 2784 AD, but our psychic

abilities will soon surpass all of their little gadgets....:cool:

never let them get you down.

Tried orgonite ? I did, and I'm f'n AMAZED.

Take care.

[lieorrists]

There are sooo many trails over hampshire (Basingstoke area) lately, just today I've counted 18, funny enough they have a pattern. Much like this"\ / \ / \ / \ / \ /".

Also spotted some aircraft with absolutly no trails what-so-ever. It's makign me so angry, can't even enjoy the sunshine without getting pissed off looking at the bloody things.:mad:

[john connor]

There are sooo many trails over hampshire (Basingstoke area) lately, just today I've counted 18, funny enough they have a pattern. Much like this"\ / \ / \ / \ / \ /".

Also spotted some aircraft with absolutly no trails what-so-ever. It's makign me so angry, can't even enjoy the sunshine without getting pissed off looking at the bloody things.:mad:

Yes it makes you feel like that, same here in the east midlands...\/ X's etc
welcome to the forum :)

[truthseeker1980]

Yes it makes you feel like that, same here in the east midlands...\/ X's etc
welcome to the forum :)


Yesterday was a lovely blue sky day in North london, today they aint stopped spraying.

X's, V's and even right angle trails today.:o

[john connor]

Yesterday was a lovely blue sky day in North london, today they aint stopped spraying.

X's, V's and even right angle trails today.:o

had to go 1 better uh:D

[truthseeker1980]

had to go 1 better uh:D

I'd not seen a right angle one before, how the hell would the plane change direction quick enough to create it, unless they are military jets spraying the stuff?

[anthony65]

Yesterday was a lovely blue sky day in North london, today they aint stopped spraying.

X's, V's and even right angle trails today.:o

Blue sky days!

Who would ever have thought that they would become so precious?

Yesterday we had very low chemtrails here in Southern Germany. Much lower than normal. They didn't last long though. They blew away and the sky cleared again.

Blue skies this morniing and now natural looking cloud cover.

Maybe some rain later...

Do you get many O chemtrails your way?

That was one of our recent highlights (lowlights?) OO OO OO OO spread across the sky...

And nobody even looked...

[truthseeker1980]

Blue sky days!

Who would ever have thought that they would become so precious?

Yesterday we had very low chemtrails here in Southern Germany. Much lower than normal. They didn't last long though. They blew away and the sky cleared again.

Blue skies this morniing and now natural looking cloud cover.

Maybe some rain later...

Do you get many O chemtrails your way?

That was one of our recent highlights (lowlights?) OO OO OO OO spread across the sky...

And nobody even looked...


Yes i have seen one or two of them in the Uk, not very common yet tho.

[john connor]

I'd not seen a right angle one before, how the hell would the plane change direction quick enough to create it, unless they are military jets spraying the stuff?

dont forget drones mate....we have taken a real battering the last 2 days...spring is not the only thing in the air

[col_ad74]

I'd not seen a right angle one before, how the hell would the plane change direction quick enough to create it, unless they are military jets spraying the stuff?
I finally got my stepfather to admit they might be up to something when I showed him this picture. They use the sky around my way like a race track.

lol right turn Clyde
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/col_ad74/IMG_3880.jpg

[starling777]

Hi...today has been AWFUL for chemtrails over Glastonbury, Somerset. It began so beautifully as the previous post-person in Southampton, UK observed and then by 2pm the sky was hazy and filled with crosses and spreading lines. I stood there and watched the planes piling more and more lines over the already obliterated blue sky. I wondered what I was breathing in (I'm aleardy ill) and how oblivious everyone else was to what was above them. We seem to get a huge amnount of chemtrailing here. I imagine that they are full of metallic particles and the general effect desired is like one of placing tinfoil over the Earth. Maybe not but that was what I imagined...does anyone know for sure? I suppose it varies?
Just as an additional point, there are already mosquitos out here, lots of them. Totally unseasonable. I cant remember the last day that stayed blue and clear.
With love to all and I would welcome any comments as i am new on here...great resource.:)

[starling777]

Glad that so many of you have had similar experiences today but totally disgusted if not out-and-out freaked out. Without access to clean water and air where are we in this level of existence? i know that wonderful Icke quote 'REMEMBER:NO FEAR' and I am not afraid just totally blown away by the crap-ness of it!:(

[col_ad74]

dont forget drones mate....we have taken a real battering the last 2 days...spring is not the only thing in the air

Good point about drones i can remember when i took the plane pic making the right angle chemtrail that the plane didn't even slow down to make the turn like something you would see a fighter pilot do not a passenger jet. There seems to be a combination of passenger jets pulls faster drone type that are more manoeuvrable. Hopping in the next few months to get a Sigma 150-500mm f/5-6 lens with a x2 converter should get me a closer look at the planes making the turns:D

[flyermay]

I finally got my stepfather to admit they might be up to something when I showed him this picture. They use the sky around my way like a race track.

lol right turn Clyde
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/col_ad74/IMG_3880.jpg

That's not from an airliner, that's for sure!!!

[beldazar]

6.30 this morning, 23rd of april, the sky was covered. They spread right out. the sun still managed to shine through but if it wasnt for shems, the sky would have been completely blue. :(

Im glad your grandad took notice col-ad74

you begin to get a little suspicious when you see them stop spraying, do a 'U' turn and start spraying again.

People just need to look up!

[john connor]

Ladies and gentleman,

1. ) It looks like we have many more new subscribers talking on this issue> i feel this is fabulous. People are becoming more alert to this fact. that is very good news.

2. ) i was thinking here: if they want to depopulate us, then chemtrails could be one of the poisoning ways of doing it, on the other hand, would the pilots who have to fly these planes be NOT AWARE that these trails that are left by the aircraft are not harmfull? could they be given another story? i don't believe intelligent man and woman who fly these machines would follow doing it if they knew the real cause. after all their families are on the ground too, and we all breath this in.

3. ) could it be that they are given the version that the trails are actually part of a secret operation to protect the atmosphere all over the world, manipulating British and other countries climates? would that make any sense? s they keep on doing it thinking they are big heroes?

note: i respect pilots in general. i think they are there because they are strong characters and risk their lives on a daily basis. and i would imagine they are decent humans too. (there are exceptions of course, hehe, just like in any thing)

Another version:
From the point of view of preparing the perfect atmospheric conditions for the FAKE ALIEN INVASION of our skies via some kind of hologram projections in these "super charged" skies:
this scenario would creat fear of hundreds of peoples on this planet to enforce some global police state to calm them down... shortly after, enforcing microchiping of humans and all live creartures as some kind of "protection" from the "kidnapping" of humans by "aliens"...could that be a possibility??? similar to the "V" series...they came as friends, but were actually storing humans as food on their spaceships. In reality what we would have is all fake, but humans would still be REALLY dissapearing, due to the depopulating agenda... ????:confused:

one thing is definitely true: the amount of cases of respiratory diseases without a proper cause has risen terribly. all overt he world. Their medical excuse is: a stronger type of flu virus... that's why old medication doesn't work anymore... to me it seems that previous medication is effective once or twice but causing long term deficiency, destroying the health of the body and hence "new" medications will actually do the same: work for some time untill the body gets more weakened... catching the "virus" over and over... ???

:eek:
HELP!...
Cleo...going mental trying to find the real answeres to this MADNESS...:o

tnx..

Was thinking that myself Cleo, encouraging to see new posts from people seeing them, again big welcome to all newcomers:D maybe if you read some of the deniers on here you will understand how great it is to have new people seeing the SAD REAL TRUTH

[banjoreality]

fucking gross day here in Barcelona, at least 100 spray planes!!!!!!!!!! aaauuuurrrgggghhhhkkkkoooooffffff......:mad:

[flyermay]

fucking gross day here in Barcelona, at least 100 spray planes!!!!!!!!!! aaauuuurrrgggghhhhkkkkoooooffffff......:mad:

We had some ocassional planes leaving chemtrails along all morning, but now they stopped (nothing worth potographing).

[flyermay]

Forget about spraying once or twice per week, forget about spraying at 7pm. For the last week it is just a constant spraying: one by one or all at the same time, it makes no difference anymore (they just do as they please).

Look at this fat horrible trails; all of them in the span of 30 minutes (and no, what you see is not a doble image, they looked exactly as on the pictures):
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3470http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3471http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3472http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3473http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3474

[truthseeker1980]

Hi...today has been AWFUL for chemtrails over Glastonbury, Somerset. It began so beautifully as the previous post-person in Southampton, UK observed and then by 2pm the sky was hazy and filled with crosses and spreading lines. I stood there and watched the planes piling more and more lines over the already obliterated blue sky. I wondered what I was breathing in (I'm aleardy ill) and how oblivious everyone else was to what was above them. We seem to get a huge amnount of chemtrailing here. I imagine that they are full of metallic particles and the general effect desired is like one of placing tinfoil over the Earth. Maybe not but that was what I imagined...does anyone know for sure? I suppose it varies?
Just as an additional point, there are already mosquitos out here, lots of them. Totally unseasonable. I cant remember the last day that stayed blue and clear.
With love to all and I would welcome any comments as i am new on here...great resource.:)

Interesting yes there is already mosquito's in North London too, in April????? WTF!, dont usually get mossies till at least late May. Would you believe the US have used killing mosquito's as one of the excuses for spraying. muwahaha.

Well they cant use that excuse in the UK now we have them in April and have been heavily sprayed for the past few days.

[lupa]

yesterday i thought was bad for trails here in leicester but today takes the biscuit. it is the worst that i have seen. i had a friend over today and i showed him the view from my garden..he stated very clearly that "thats not good ,imagine what that amount is doing to the enviroment" and "that" was only this afternoon. he shook his head in disbelief when i said to him that its pretty much like that everyday over my house. he lives on the derby border and has never seen it like that...even he had to admit that they were NOT contrails. i think it is a necassary evil at the moment to have the trails because when they have been as bad as they have been today..more people definately take notice.

it's very difficult to prove they exist when there are only a few lines up there or none at all but when there are countless planes in various directions churning that crap out and turning the sky grey with strange mottled clouds, its very hard to say they are a figment of imagination or they simple do not exist.

[hagbard_celine]

Who said that chemtrail planes have passengers at all?

Who said that there is only one way of spraying chemtrails?

Who said the cargo is noxious?

If all this is so clear and well known, then what's the point of arguing anymore about chemtrails? they would be a fact, wouldn't they?

(I'm just asking...)

Sorry I meant crew compartments.:o

Of course the cargo would be noxious. It would be the shit that gives us rashes and turns the sky white concentrated in liquid form on board the aircraft.

[flyermay]

Sorry I meant crew compartments.:o

Of course the cargo would be noxious. It would be the shit that gives us rashes and turns the sky white concentrated in liquid form on board the aircraft.

The crew probably doesn't even know what they are carrying. You know, they usually take orders on a need to know basis.

It wouldn't surprise me if they get home than tell their children they just saved the earth. :mad:

[hagbard_celine]

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9563/image047l.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image047l.jpg)


http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4598/image048dkd.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image048dkd.jpg)

Are these pictures evidence of a battle between Chemtrails and Sylphs?:confused:

This happened on Wednesday morning. I took the first photo from a train between Derby and Nottingham and the second from Nottingham Station.

I noticed heavy Chemtrails being laid for about 45 minutes and then these strange shaped clouds that could be Sylphs moved in from the north and started to overlap the Chentrails, after a while they "ingested" some of them. I even saw one pursue a Chemtrail plane.:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

The crew probably doesn't even know what they are carrying. You know, they usually take orders on a need to know basis.

It wouldn't surprise me if they get home than tell their children they just saved the earth. :mad:

I think the cover story that they tell the pilots chemists and other people involved in Chemtrails is that it's a secret anti-Global Warming programme. When in fact the REAL secret is that it's not to stop Global Warming at all!:eek::(:mad:

[flyermay]

it's very difficult to prove they exist when there are only a few lines up there or none at all but when there are countless planes in various directions churning that crap out and turning the sky grey with strange mottled clouds, its very hard to say they are a figment of imagination or they simple do not exist.

Look at the result over here, and note the sky perfectly layered horizontally; all those were chemtrails (even they huge dark one in the middle).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3476

[spock]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/11042009721.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/21042009764.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/21042009767.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/22042009768.jpg

[flyermay]

And here is the big picture on video. The whole sky from North to South is a huge track of chemtrails.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3477 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnATTXqwD7w)
Click on the picture to see the video

[col_ad74]

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9563/image047l.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image047l.jpg)


http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4598/image048dkd.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image048dkd.jpg)

Are these pictures evidence of a battle between Chemtrails and Sylphs?:confused:

This happened on Wednesday morning. I took the first photo from a train between Derby and Nottingham and the second from Nottingham Station.

I noticed heavy Chemtrails being laid for about 45 minutes and then these strange shaped clouds that could be Sylphs moved in from the north and started to overlap the Chentrails, after a while they "ingested" some of them. I even saw one pursue a Chemtrail plane.:eek:

Could it be salt in the chemtrails that was drawing the moister in the sylphs towards it sort of like a sponge effect.

[hagbard_celine]

Could it be salt in the chemtrails that was drawing the moister in the sylphs towards it sort of like a sponge effect.

Do the Chemtrails contain salt?

[col_ad74]

Do the Chemtrails contain salt?

Old report from 2000 quite a bit down the page it says
The researchers concluded that the chemtrails are composed of barium salt mixtures. Some of the chemtrails also include polymer fibers.
rense.com (http://www.rense.com/general4/chmmm.htm).

[cleopatraxxx]

And here is the big picture in video. The whole sky from North to South is a huge track of chemtrails.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3477 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnATTXqwD7w)
Click on the picture to see the video

thank you flyermay for the effort of adding a video of our chemtrailed skies to awaken more people to this macabre action the military and government are daily performing over our heads.

for sure this has something to do with depopulation and climate control.

it is hapenning all over. in Africa HAARP is more used by developed countries, and aware or not, African governments couldn't afford to spend thousands on petrol to fly the aircraft for only this purpose. you see less chemtrails, but more altered, patterned clouds in the skies.

...
i just wonder, WHEN is all this officially/publically going to come into light, the truth i mean... "can't wait":rolleyes:

[marpat]

you are such a f'n shill, ya minds twisted....... I said to look up direct and indirect aerosol programs, cos that's what the labs call it....GOOGLE SCATTERING, TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE CHEMTRAIL CONSPIRACY.

How rude

The fact is you told me to look at that site and I found lots of good info with scientific data and information. I think what you wanted was for me to look at the site, see that they may spray aerosols for research and then ignore every other bit of information on the site. And you call me twisted.

Did you bother to read their information on persistant contrails or did you choose to completely ignore that bit and focus on youtube vids?

[banjoreality]

what site did u look at? the battelle site?
one question: do you believe in climate change due to man made CO2?
if you don't take a look at Battelle's site under the environment section- carbon sequestration. You hardly need to read between the lines.....

I don't need to look at you tube, I have eyes (and a camera).

[marpat]

what site did u look at? the battelle site?
one question: do you believe in climate change due to man made CO2?
if you don't take a look at Battelle's site under the environment section- carbon sequestration. You hardly need to read between the lines.....

I don't need to look at you tube, I have eyes (and a camera).

You camera and eyes cannot tell you what those trails are composed of nor how they are formed. That is where you are guessing and that is why I am not conviced.

There are many theories about climate change so I dont really stick to any particular explanation. Some scientists think it occurs naturally anyway.

I looked at the Northwest pacific site you mentioned.

Do you really think a scientific organisation would post stuff on the web that would implicate their work in some conspiracy?

I think the truth is that you only believe information from the alternative sources no matter what information comes via scientific spources. This tends to be the modus operandi of many conspiracy theorists, dismiss science even when they dont know what its about but embrace anything that fosters a sense of fear but which you cannot explain. I think many people are just fear junkies, they are so hooked on being scared of conspiracy theories that it becomes a sort of emotional drug to them. Not only that but it makes them feel part of a community of special people who think they know what really goes on in the world.

[banjoreality]

You camera and eyes cannot tell you what those trails are composed of nor how they are formed. That is where you are guessing and that is why I am not conviced.

There are many theories about climate change so I dont really stick to any particular explanation. Some scientists think it occurs naturally anyway.

I looked at the Northwest pacific site you mentioned.

Do you really think a scientific organisation would post stuff on the web that would implicate their work in some conspiracy?

I think the truth is that you only believe information from the alternative sources no matter what information comes via scientific spources. This tends to be the modus operandi of many conspiracy theorists, dismiss science even when they dont know what its about but embrace anything that fosters a sense of fear but which you cannot explain. I think many people are just fear junkies, they are so hooked on being scared of conspiracy theories that it becomes a sort of emotional drug to them. Not only that but it makes them feel part of a community of special people who think they know what really goes on in the world.

do you believe in aliens/ ufo s? do you believe that some one like A. Crowley practiced "magic"?
Please answer.

[flyermay]

it is hapenning all over. in Africa HAARP is more used by developed countries, and aware or not, African governments couldn't afford to spend thousands on petrol to fly the aircraft for only this purpose. you see less chemtrails, but more altered, patterned clouds in the skies.

Yesterday I saw a cloud with a lot of ondulations, like a wave pattern; I can only think of something that could have cause that to a cloud: a HAARP like emission!!!

i just wonder, WHEN is all this officially/publically going to come into light, the truth i mean... "can't wait":rolleyes:

I'm not that convinced they will ever come clean about it; they will probably tell us a lie and then some unknown investigator will tell our grandchildren what really happened (of course, he will be tagged as a "loony").

[largejack]

We have eyes that wonder why we don't see any blue skies anymore?? That surely cannot be because of contrails can it?? They are the questions we should be asking.

[antinwo]

Yeah I clearly (excuse the pun) remember blue skies but about five years ago now. Since then everyday I see plane after plane leaving lines in the sky that spread out and take away all blue sky. This makes me think that something is wrong and no I am not an expert I am just going by what is familiar from being a child and enjoying lovely clear blue skies to what is today a non existant blue sky.

There is nothing wrong with asking questions.

[lieorrists]

Like the other guy I was partly sceptical about the whole chemtrail thing - mainly because I would assume it would be too difficult to pull off.

Every day that passes my concerns grow about it. As you see in my previous post where I was annoyed at around 18-20 patterned trails left in the sky, where as today there is Not one single line - However there are airliners in the sky but not one has left a trail - do they use differnt fuel on saturdays? well I don't think so. The blue clear sky for now and it's great.


I have a very large 360 view of Basingstoke as i'm on pretty much the highest point in the area. At this point I don't have the technology to upload pictures to prove it but soon enough I will do. So before you rule out anything do a little bit of hands on research and see for yourself, surely something isn't right!

Thanks guy for the warm welcome to the forums too btw :)

Also sorry for not quoting and conversing at the present i'm a bit pressed for time but wanted to share this info.

[marpat]

do you believe in aliens/ ufo s? do you believe that some one like A. Crowley practiced "magic"?
Please answer.


You are taking the thread off topic.

[white horse]

We have eyes that wonder why we don't see any blue skies anymore?? That surely cannot be because of contrails can it?? They are the questions we should be asking.

Yeah well the BBC weather is all over the place at the mo just liek last summer. I swear last year there were times I reckoned they were just looking out the window cos they could not get it right beyond 24hrs.

Yesterday was a beautiful day. I looked at the weather satellite pics, not a clout for hundreds of miles around... Looked out the window, it's a kind of semi-transparent hazy blanket over the sky, it was a very washed-out blue colour.

No clouds in the sky OK.

[marpat]

We have eyes that wonder why we don't see any blue skies anymore?? That surely cannot be because of contrails can it?? They are the questions we should be asking.

On that Pacific Northwest website that banjo pointed me to there was a whole section on persistent contrails and how contrails can have a knock on effect of producing clouds. Perhaps you should read their material. I put the link in a couple of pages ago.

[antinwo]

On that Pacific Northwest website that banjo pointed me to there was a whole section on persistent contrails and how contrails can have a knock on effect of producing clouds. Perhaps you should read their material. I put the link in a couple of pages ago.

Yes but contrails have been around for years and so have blue skies. So what are we talking about here a new type of contrail???????????? Ones that take away blue skies and constantly. Like I said I am not expert but have noticed something very different in the skies over the last few years. So therefore I question the change.

[marpat]

Yes but contrails have been around for years and so have blue skies. So what are we talking about here a new type of contrail???????????? Ones that take away blue skies and constantly. Like I said I am not expert but have noticed something very different in the skies over the last few years. So therefore I question the change.

Could be many things though. Air traffic has increased massively over the past few years so the general effect would have increased. If the atmosphere has altered due to emissions then perhaps that is an additional factor. I have noticed recently that contrails seem a lot more persistant on cool days. When its hot they dont seem to last long. I also note that aircraft that appear to fly higher seems to give off more persistent contrails, which is what you would expect if it is due to air temp. There have even been occasions when I have seen aircraft leave no contrail at all. Also note that contrails can be formed by aircraft wings when manouvering when conditions are right.

http://www.pnl.gov/aisu/pubs/eemw/papers/ipccreports/specialreports/aviation/038.htm

Read this link, it covers things like clouds and contrails.

[antinwo]

Could be many things though. Air traffic has increased massively over the past few years so the general effect would have increased. If the atmosphere has altered due to emissions then perhaps that is an additional factor. I have noticed recently that contrails seem a lot more persistant on cool days. When its hot they dont seem to last long. I also note that aircraft that appear to fly higher seems to give off more persistent contrails, which is what you would expect if it is due to air temp. There have even been occasions when I have seen aircraft leave no contrail at all. Also note that contrails can be formed by aircraft wings when manouvering when conditions are right.

http://www.pnl.gov/aisu/pubs/eemw/papers/ipccreports/specialreports/aviation/038.htm

Read this link, it covers things like clouds and contrails.

But still you have to ask yourself why air traffic has suddenly massively increased???

[flyermay]

You are not going to believe this.

The most amazing even in the past 2 weeks.

This is really worth reporting.

Here is the picture:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3485

Don't you see the cheamtrails? neither do I...

NO CHEMTRAILS TODAY!!!!

No, I'm not joking. Just for today, and for the first time in the last 2 weeks: not a single chemtrail was visible in West London.

I guess the Royals are back in the city today. Let's see how much it lasts.

[marpat]

But still you have to ask yourself why air traffic has suddenly massively increased???

Because more people travel by air. When I was young few people went abroad but now nearly everybody does. There are loads of business flights as well. You also have an increase in air freight, etc. There are many reasons. International travel in now commonplace but 30 years ago it was not quite as busy.

[beldazar]

Because more people travel by air. When I was young few people went abroad but now nearly everybody does. There are loads of business flights as well. You also have an increase in air freight, etc. There are many reasons. International travel in now commonplace but 30 years ago it was not quite as busy.

What a load of complete bullshit! :rolleyes:

How old are you, 108???

[marpat]

What a load of complete bullshit! :rolleyes:

How old are you, 108???

Turn your mind off to facts if you want. This is the very reason you believe in chemtrails in the first place.

[steevo]

Turn your mind off to facts if you want. This is the very reason you believe in chemtrails in the first place.

Marpat, are you again saying chemtrails dont exist ? You are going around and around and around in circles. Take a look at this (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59981). You have already SEEN it though so, the question that has to be asked is WHY are you deliberatly wasting people's time on here ? You have already even ADMITTED previously that chemtrails DO officially exist. Youre here to waste our time, AND THAT IS ALL that you are here for, cos you dont provide ANY info at all. You just use Logical Fallacies, and you are not very good at it I have to say.

[antinwo]

Marpat, are you again saying chemtrails dont exist ? You are going around and around and around in circles. Take a look at this (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59981). You have already SEEN it though so, the question that has to be asked is WHY are you deliberatly wasting people's time on here ? You have already even ADMITTED previously that chemtrails DO officially exist. Youre here to waste our time, AND THAT IS ALL that you are here for, cos you dont provide ANY info at all. You just use Logical Fallacies, and you are not very good at it I have to say.

Don't worry Steevo he hasn't convinced me one little bit. :D

[marpat]

Marpat, are you again saying chemtrails dont exist ? You are going around and around and around in circles. Take a look at this (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59981). You have already SEEN it though so, the question that has to be asked is WHY are you deliberatly wasting people's time on here ? You have already even ADMITTED previously that chemtrails DO officially exist. Youre here to waste our time, AND THAT IS ALL that you are here for, cos you dont provide ANY info at all. You just use Logical Fallacies, and you are not very good at it I have to say.

Have you read that link I posted about persistent contrials and how they can cause cloud formation? try reading the link I posted, lots of science stuff as well rather than 'intuition'.

I said they could possibly exist but that this does not make them probable. You must be pretty desperate if you are trying to tell me what I believe. I do accept that spraying experiments may have occured in the cold war but I did give my opinion on such subjects.

Logical fallacies? is that your buzz phrase. Perhaps you should explain what you mean rather than using meaningless phrases. I guess in here doing that may fool some people into thinking you're smart.

[marpat]

Don't worry Steevo he hasn't convinced me one little bit. :D

Nobody could convince you because you refuse to read anything other than what the chemtrailers are posting. Can you really complain when people dont read the stuff that the chemtrailers keep posting?

I have said before that people who believe strongly in chemtrail poisoning people but who refuse to wear and protective masks and garments, or make their families wear such stuff, or who do nothing but bitch about it in forums, are willing parties in mass poisoning.

You believe it is happening then do something about it. Sitting with a thumb up your arse wont benefit you.

[flyermay]

Because more people travel by air. When I was young few people went abroad but now nearly everybody does. There are loads of business flights as well. You also have an increase in air freight, etc. There are many reasons. International travel in now commonplace but 30 years ago it was not quite as busy.

Well, you mean everyone travels by plane except yesterday...

Was it yesterday the "international day without flight"?

Or maybe airtraffic control changes the international routes every now and then?

Also, does people travel more often over London at around 7pm?

Maybe the get a rush to fly all the same time for 15 minutes then stop for the rest of the day?

Sorry Marpat, I thought of all those explanations before I even believed chemtrails were for real; actually, not being able to fit any excuse with what I see every day lead me to believe chemtrails are a "fact".

[marpat]

Well, you mean everyone travels by plane except yesterday...

Was it yesterday the "international day without flight"?

Or maybe airtraffic control changes the international routes every now and then?

Also, does people travel more often over London at around 7pm?

Maybe the get a rush to fly all the same time for 15 minutes then stop for the rest of the day?

Sorry Marpat, I thought of all those explanations before I even believed chemtrails were for real; actually, not being able to fit any excuse with what I see every day lead me to believe chemtrails are a "fact".

Did you read the link on persistent contrails and contrail cloud formation?

I would also say that pilots have to learn to fly and that they would do that by flying around specific areas, perhaps within limited times, such as when airways are not busy. If flying lessons are occuring at certain times of the week and lfying in specific circuits then that might be related.

[antinwo]

Nobody could convince you because you refuse to read anything other than what the chemtrailers are posting. Can you really complain when people dont read the stuff that the chemtrailers keep posting?

I have said before that people who believe strongly in chemtrail poisoning people but who refuse to wear and protective masks and garments, or make their families wear such stuff, or who do nothing but bitch about it in forums, are willing parties in mass poisoning.

You believe it is happening then do something about it. Sitting with a thumb up your arse wont benefit you.

But I have never refused to read anything so I don't know what you are on about there???

As I have said previously I believe something is happening because of the sudden changes in contrails. I have also said before I have been a constant sky watcher since a child and have never witnessed persistant contrails or ones that linger for hours and ruin a blue sky. So what about all the evidence that is out there to show that these persistant contrails contain barium and aluminium??? Do you actually take note of this. Do you think this is a lie because it does not fit your scientific proof?? Do you seriously think that if we are being posioned the PTB would tell us they were???

[marpat]

But I have never refused to read anything so I don't know what you are on about there???

As I have said previously I believe something is happening because of the sudden changes in contrails. I have also said before I have been a constant sky watcher since a child and have never witnessed persistant contrails or ones that linger for hours and ruin a blue sky. So what about all the evidence that is out there to show that these persistant contrails contain barium and aluminium??? Do you actually take note of this. Do you think this is a lie because it does not fit your scientific proof?? Do you seriously think that if we are being posioned the PTB would tell us they were???

Well if all this evidence is there why are people not using it? I doubt long term memory counts as evidence as people are prone to filling in memory gaps with assumptions. Can you remember what you were doing 190 hours ago in clear detail?

Got your respirator on?

I have seen those vids but there seems to be no attempt to to prove or disprove is the barium came from ground contamination or not, just an assumption it came from the sky. Next

I guess people will be sitting on their thumbs a bit longer then

[flyermay]

Did you read the link on persistent contrails and contrail cloud formation?

I would also say that pilots have to learn to fly and that they would do that by flying around specific areas, perhaps within limited times, such as when airways are not busy. If flying lessons are occuring at certain times of the week and lfying in specific circuits then that might be related.

I assure you that you will never see pilots practicing their flight lessons over a city such as London (it is one of the most populated areas and with one of the heaviest air traffic in the whole world -unsuitable for practicing-). Another thing that doesn't makes sense is having all the pilots at the same time in jets flying around the skies of London for 5 to 30 minutes -it's impracticable and dangerous-.

About the conditions needed for contrail formation, I am well aware of them; but I doubt that this conditions have anything to do with a narrow time band at around 7pm that usually lasts between 5 and 30 minutes (in exceptional days up to 1 hour), which I witness almost every day.

The reasons I'm watching their behaviour on a daily basis and photographing ever chemtrail is to look for pattern. Amazingly, you wouldn't believe how predictable they have been the last 2 months (it was only for these last 2 weeks that they started behaving in a random way).

[white horse]

Ever get the feeling you're wading through treacle on this thread? Lol!! :cool:

[marpat]

I assure you that you will never see pilots practicing their flight lessons over a city such as London (it is one of the most populated areas and with one of the heaviest air traffic in the whole world -unsuitable for practicing-). Another thing that doesn't makes sense is having all the pilots at the same time in jets flying around the skies of London for 5 to 30 minutes -it's impracticable and dangerous-.

About the conditions needed for contrail formation, I am well aware of them; but I doubt that this conditions have anything to do with a narrow time band at around 7pm that usually lasts between 5 and 30 minutes (in exceptional days up to 1 hour), which I witness almost every day.

The reasons I'm watching their behaviour on a daily basis and photographing ever chemtrail is to look for pattern. Amazingly, you wouldn't believe how predictable they have been the last 2 months (it was only for these last 2 weeks that they started behaving in a random way).

I hardly think you can base your entire theory of chemtrails over london on some flying patterns just because you dont know why they are occurring.

[flyermay]

I hardly think you can base your entire theory of chemtrails over london on some flying patterns just because you dont know why they are occurring.

No, you are right. It's not because I don't know what they are doing, it is because the look anything but normal or natural (definetly not contrails).

[white horse]

I echo some sentiments from posters earlier - if this is due to increased air traffic how come a couple of weeks ago the skies were clear of 'trails?

Then they started up again?

What - international no flying week? Why didn't we hear about it on the BBC - if there was no flying going on why weren't the airports rammed with passenger shanty towns?

[marpat]

I echo some sentiments from posters earlier - if this is due to increased air traffic how come a couple of weeks ago the skies were clear of 'trails?

Then they started up again?

What - international no flying week? Why didn't we hear about it on the BBC - if there was no flying going on why weren't the airports rammed with passenger shanty towns?

Who knows. Just because we dont know the flight traffic plans that does not mean something fishy is going on though. I would think that it is purely statistical though. Unless aircraft fly at precisely deteremind times with no delays then there will be time when there will be a lot up there and times when there will be few.

Passenger shanty towns? if there was no flying perhaps it was because people were not booking flights. Why? perhaps because of the financial crisis many people dont have the money for holidays. Who knows, maybe the knock on effect of the financial problems cause a shift in the amount of air traffic, especially if firms have made huge losses, etc.

[white horse]

Who knows. Just because we dont know the flight traffic plans that does not mean something fishy is going on though. I would think that it is purely statistical though. Unless aircraft fly at precisely deteremind times with no delays then there will be time when there will be a lot up there and times when there will be few.

Passenger shanty towns? if there was no flying perhaps it was because people were not booking flights. Why? perhaps because of the financial crisis many people dont have the money for holidays. Who knows, maybe the knock on effect of the financial problems cause a shift in the amount of air traffic, especially if firms have made huge losses, etc.

lol!

Maybe you should check out how airlines work! They fly whether they are full or not, and they will fly empty if need be. If they don't fly they may lose their slot to a competitor.

What I am talking about is months and months on end of trails filling up the sky - then suddenly for about two weeks I don't remember seeing one...

Financial crisis or non, that does not explain the complete absence of trails!

And do you knwo why it does not explain it? Because normal commercial airtraffic is NOT the explanation for 'trails in the first place!

Don't know what is, but is aint holiday makers going to Alicante! :cool:

[marpat]

lol!

Maybe you should check out how airlines work! They fly whether they are full or not, and they will fly empty if need be. If they don't fly they may lose their slot to a competitor.

What I am talking about is months and months on end of trails filling up the sky - then suddenly for about two weeks I don't remember seeing one...

Financial crisis or non, that does not explain the complete absence of trails!

And do you knwo why it does not explain it? Because normal commercial airtraffic is NOT the explanation for 'trails in the first place!

Don't know what is, but is aint holiday makers going to Alicante! :cool:

I think an absence of trails may be due to the slightly warmer weather. I have noticed recently that on cooler days trails were lingering longer but when it was hotter they barely lasted at all. Also, aircraft flying at slightly different heights seemed to produce trails that lasted different lengths of time but which still dispered after a few minutes difference.

Not only are people guessing at what trails are but who is making them. If you have proof of who is doing it then lets see.

[steevo]

This is all a bit like arguing about whether GUNS exist.

Forum Member : Do guns exist Marpat ?

Marpat : No

Forum Member : But you can SEE them with your own eyes. The police use them and so do the armed forces.

Marpat : But how do we know that they are "guns" ?

Forum Member : Here is link (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=279491) showing you that they OFFICIALLY exist.

Marpat : It's just a paranoid theory.

Forum Member : Have you clicked on the link Marpat ?

Marpat : There is no proof of guns - FACT!

Forum Member : Have you clicked on the link ? The evidence is there.

Marpat : ......yes....but....*Marpat quickly moves the goal posts*....but we dont know what the guns are being used for.

Forum Member : So do you admit now that guns exist ?

Marpat : No I am still not admitting that guns exist

[marpat]

This is all a bit like arguing about whether GUNS exist.

Forum Member : Do guns exist Marpat ?

Marpat : No

Forum Member : But you can SEE them with your own eyes. The police use them and so do the armed forces.

Marpat : But how do we know that they are "guns" ?

Forum Member : Here is link (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=279491) showing you that they OFFICIALLY exist.

Marpat : It's just a paranoid theory.

Forum Member : Have you clicked on the link Marpat ?

Marpat : There is no proof of guns - FACT!

Forum Member : Have you clicked on the link ? The evidence is there.

Marpat : ......yes....but....*Marpat quickly moves the goal posts*....but we dont know what the guns are being used for.

Forum Member : So do you admit now that guns exist ?

Marpat : No I am still not admitting that guns exist

Why do you behave like some child when people dont agree with you. Like I said before I think they are feasible but not necessarily probable. Pity you dont take the time to read what I post before you have an emotional outburst.

Try looking at the links I posted before you bitch on about me not reading any.

If you want to impress me you can read the information on persistant contrails and contrail cloud formation then give me an analysis of what is wrong about it.

If this is the highest point of you mental capability then perhaps the theory of chemtrails stopping people from thinking has worked.

I read a document in which chemtrails were forbidden to be used so there is a document which says they exist. THE FACT IS THAT THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN THE SKY IS A CHEMTRIAL. CANT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT???????????????????? in terms of guns (your example), there are many types of guns and some things that look like guns but which are not firearms, ie. replicas, airsoft BB guns, blank firers, deactivated. This does not mean that everything that looks like a gun is a firearm with the potential to kill does it. Resemblance does not mean the same!!!!!!!!!!

[antinwo]

Well if all this evidence is there why are people not using it? I doubt long term memory counts as evidence as people are prone to filling in memory gaps with assumptions. Can you remember what you were doing 190 hours ago in clear detail?

Got your respirator on?

I have seen those vids but there seems to be no attempt to to prove or disprove is the barium came from ground contamination or not, just an assumption it came from the sky. Next


I guess people will be sitting on their thumbs a bit longer then

But there is evidence out there that these persistant lines in the sky are not contrails. However you refuse to take it seriously.

[flyermay]

What - international no flying week? Why didn't we hear about it on the BBC - if there was no flying going on why weren't the airports rammed with passenger shanty towns?

:rolleyes:It seems to be a "no flying international weekend", as today there wasn't a single chemtrail over West London during the whole day. Let's hope it stays this way.

[fekdemasons]

:rolleyes:It seems to be a "no flying international weekend", as today there wasn't a single chemtrail over West London during the whole day. Let's hope it stays this way.


This is conclusive proof of chemtrails.

Sky was crystal clear all day. TO be honest I hardly noticed a plane all day , and I live 4 miles from heathrow !!!

I think their waiting to see if the Swine flu does the job. No sense wasting good barium if you don't need to

[beldazar]

This is all a bit like arguing about whether GUNS exist.

Forum Member : Do guns exist Marpat ?

Marpat : No

Forum Member : But you can SEE them with your own eyes. The police use them and so do the armed forces.

Marpat : But how do we know that they are "guns" ?

Forum Member : Here is link (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=279491) showing you that they OFFICIALLY exist.

Marpat : It's just a paranoid theory.

Forum Member : Have you clicked on the link Marpat ?

Marpat : There is no proof of guns - FACT!

Forum Member : Have you clicked on the link ? The evidence is there.

Marpat : ......yes....but....*Marpat quickly moves the goal posts*....but we dont know what the guns are being used for.

Forum Member : So do you admit now that guns exist ?

Marpat : No I am still not admitting that guns exist

Oh come on Marpat, you must agree, that was a cracking poist by Steevo, lol

you love playing this game dont you? :D

[col_ad74]

it seems to be following the same pattern as last week here in Derby. Saturday Sunday and Monday all chemtrail free they started to spray just before midday on Tuesday. Wednesday was a heavy day of spraying Thursday and Friday could not tell what was happening as it was grey and over cast. Saturday and today zero chemtrails. so lets see if this all stars again on Tuesday it just would not surprise me:rolleyes:

[flyermay]

This is conclusive proof of chemtrails.

I wouldn't say that for sure (I don't want Marpat jumping to my neck for a claim like that;))

But yes, it was rather odd having 2 days completely free of chemtrails (though multitude of clouds on Saturday and some on Sunday, so chemtrails should have been visible). Maybe they're going back to the original schedule of once or twice per week :confused:

I think their waiting to see if the Swine flu does the job. No sense wasting good barium if you don't need to

Who knows if the flu came from those planes in the first place (they are blaming it on the "pigs"; this could be a clue :D)

[anthony65]

Marpat, are you again saying chemtrails dont exist ? You are going around and around and around in circles. Take a look at this (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59981). You have already SEEN it though so, the question that has to be asked is WHY are you deliberatly wasting people's time on here ? You have already even ADMITTED previously that chemtrails DO officially exist. Youre here to waste our time, AND THAT IS ALL that you are here for, cos you dont provide ANY info at all. You just use Logical Fallacies, and you are not very good at it I have to say.

As Steevo mentions here, Marpat has still not responded to the many facts presented in the thread
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59981

And here is post number 5 in full...

This thread was created to counter Marpat's repeated untruth that "we" do not provide any facts.

The truth is that we have provided many facts.

Here is a list of some of them…

Please refer Marpat to this thread the next time he asks for facts…

The Marpat Chemtrails Thread: started with The Space Preservation Act 2001

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50412

I chose to start with this document, because Denis Kucinich used the term chemtrails. At least in the first draft. He was later pressured to remove it from the Bill.

Here is a quote from the Bill...

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

There is also reference to…

(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations…

I believe that chemtrails are multi-purpose and that they have to be understood together with HAARP and similar activities.

Let's move on to another FACT.

Way back in 1992 the National Academy of Sciences recommended the spraying of reflective particles including aluminium in the stratosphere.

This is described in the very long document "Policy implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation and the Science Base".

As you can see, there was a thread created for this…

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49166

This is the same NSA who were recently quoted in the context of Obama and Geoengineering.

I've linked to the document and to the section on Geoengineering.

Scroll to the bottom of this post to see the section in red that describes aircraft exhaust delivery methods.

Global Warming: An Effect of Weather Manipulation?

Here is an interesting article that links weather manipulation to the global warming scam...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60762

Note that this article mentions the United Nations ENMOD Treaty from 1977…

"an Environmental Modification Treaty was signed or ratified by 70 of the world governments in 1977 to prevent hostile weather manipulation.

Actions that would contravene the treaty would be: triggering earthquakes, manipulating ozone levels, alteration of the ionosphere, deforestation, provoking flood or drought, use of herbicides, setting fires, seeding clouds, introduction of invasive species, eradication of species, creation of storms, destruction of crops."

You can't discuss weather modification without mentioning HAARP. Marpat has been dismissive of HAARP, but In 2002 90 Deputies at the Russian Duma (Parliament) protested to Vladimir Putin about the US HAARP System.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49167

Quote:

"The significance of this qualitative leap could be compared to the transition from cold steel to firearms, or from conventional weapons to nuclear weapons. This new type of weapons differs from previous types in that the near-Earth medium becomes at once an object of direct influence and its component."
and

"The USA plans to carry out large-scale scientific experiments under the HAARP programme, and not controlled by the global community, will create weapons capable of breaking radio communication lines and equipment installed on spaceships and rockets, provoke serious accidents in electricity networks and in oil and gas pipelines and have a negative impact on the mental health of people populating entire regions, the deputies said."

The Russians were very advanced in the field of weather modification / EMF / ELF technology.

As already posted on the forum, the Russian Woodpecker system was based near Chernobyl.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...94&postcount=4

http://pix.fine.kiev.ua/egor/gallery/0000b02w

As we know, the topic of geoengineering keeps getting mentioned in the mainstream news, although we have seen that the debate goes back at least to 1992 and the NSA report mentioned above.

Here is a BBC article describing sulphur rockets.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6369971.stm

Here is the wiki article on Geoengineering: Note that they reference the melting ice from 2005 to 2007 to push the global warming agenda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoengineering

One method proposed is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratos...geoengineering)

This is what we have higlighted on the forum many times with the ZDF Chemtrails video which shows the "hypothetical usage" of this method to combat global warming


Another subject that has been posted many times is the historical record of the British (and American) Goverments in testing their own populations with chemical and biological agents:

Millions were in Germ tests

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Ar...398507,00.html

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

Marpat likes to dismiss this as "The Guardian Article". No. This is a Ministry of Defence Report that was brought to public attention by the efforts of Norman Baker MP.

Marpat also likes to dismiss this as old news, from the Cold War. The report refers to the period 1940 to 1979, but the reason that no more recent reports exist is that the MOD do not comment on "ongoing research". See the quote at the end of the article. Have they done further testing since 1979? FFS…

In the Rockefeller Report from 1994 the US government admitted chemical tests against its own population.

US Senate hearings in 1977 it was reported that between 1949 and 1969 239 populated areas in the USA were contaminated with biological agents.

Here is a summary of such operations in the US and UK.

http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/-%...n%20beings.htm

Here is a thread I posted as an introduction to chemtrails

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50547

The thread contains a link to this site http://www.chemtrails911.com/intro_to_chem.htm which contains much of the information I've posted here.

It also references some technical information such as...

US Patent 5003186 from 1991 titled "Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming" also known as the Welsbach Patent.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49162

A method is described for reducing atmospheric or global warming resulting from the presence of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, i.e., from the greenhouse effect. Such gases are relatively transparent to sunshine, but absorb strongly the long-wavelength infrared radiation released by the earth. The method incudes the step of seeding the layer of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere with particles of materials characterized by wavelength-dependent emissivity. Such materials include Welsbach materials and the oxides of metals which have high emissivity (and thus low reflectivities) in the visible and 8-12 micron infrared wavelength regions.

Note that this patent was issued to Hughes Aircraft Company.

Another patent from 1974 from the US Navy…

http://www.rense.com/general2/pat.htm

Abstract

Light scattering pigment powder particles, surface treated to minimize inparticle cohesive forces, are dispensed from a jet mill deagglomerator as separate single particles to produce a powder contrail having maximum visibility or radiation scattering ability for a given weight material.

CLAIMS:

1. Contrail generation apparatus for producing a powder contrail having
maximum radiation
scattering ability for a given weight material, comprising:

a. an aerodynamic housing;
b. a jet tube means passing through said housing, said tube means having an inlet at a forward end of said housing and an exhaust at a rearward end thereof;
c. a powder storage means in said housing;
d. a deagglomeration means also in said housing;
e. means connecting said powder storage means with said deagglomeration
means for feeding
radiation scattering powder from said powder storage means to said deagglomeration means;
f. the output of said deagglomeration means dispensing directly into said jet tube means for
exhausting deagglomerated powder particles into the atmosphere to form a contrail; and
h. means for controlling the flow of said powder from said storage means to said deagglomeration means.

2. Apparatus as in claim 1 wherein said jet tube means is a ram air jet tube.
3. Apparatus as in claim 1 wherein an upstream deflector baffle is provided at the output of said
deagglomeration means into said jet tube means to produce a venturi effect for minimizing back
pressure on said powder feeding means.
4. Apparatus as in claim 1 wherein said deagglomerator means comprises:

a. means for subjecting powder particles from said powder storage means to a hammering action to aerate and precondition the powder; and
b. a jet mill means to further deagglomerate the powder into separate particles.

5. Apparatus as in claim 4 wherein pressurized gas means is provided for operating said
deagglomeration means.
6. Apparatus as in claim 1 wherein said radiation scattering powder
particles are titanium
dioxide pigment having a median particle size of about 0.3 microns.
7. Apparatus as in claim 1 wherein said radiation scattering powder
particles have a coating of extremely fine hydrophobic colloidal silica thereon to minimize interparticle cohesive forces.
8. Apparatus as in claim 1 wherein the formulation of said powder consists of 85% by weight of
TiO2 pigment of approximately 0.3 micron media particle size, 10% by weight of colloidal silica of
0.007 micron primary particle size, and 5% by weight of silica gel having an average particle size of 4.5 microns.
9. The method of producing a light radiation scattering contrail, comprising:

a. surface treating light scattering powder particles to minimize
interparticle cohesive forces;
b. deagglomerating said powder particles in two stages prior to dispensing into a jet tube
by subjecting said powder particles to a hammering action in the first stage to aerate and
precondition the powder, and by passing said powder through a jet mill in the second stage
to further deagglomerate the powder;
c. dispensing the deagglomerated powder from the jet mill directly into a jet tube for
exhausting said powder into the atmosphere, thus forming a contrail.

10. A method as in claim 9 wherein said light scattering powder particles is titanium dioxide pigment.
11. A method as in claim 9 wherein said powder particles are treated with a coating of extremely
fine hydrophobic colloidal silica to minimize interparticle cohesive forces.
12. A method as in claim 11 wherein said treated powder particles are further protected with a silica gel powder.

Background/Summary:

BACKGROUND

The present invention relates to method and apparatus for contrail generation and the like. An earlier known method in use for contrail generation involves oil smoke trails produced by injecting liquid oil directly into the hot jet exhaust of an aircraft target vehicle. The oil vaporizes and recondenses being the aircraft producing a brilliant white trail. Oil smoke trail production requires a minimum of equipment; and, the material is low in cost and readily available. However, oil smoke requires a heat source to vaporize the liquid oil and not all aircraft target vehicles, notably towed targets, have such a heat source. Also, at altitudes above about 25,000 feet oil smoke visibility degrades rapidly.

SUMMARY

The present invention is for a powder generator requiring no heat source to emit a "contrail" with sufficient visibility to aid in visual acquisition of an aircraft target vehicle and the like. The term "contrail" was adopted for convenience in identifying the visible powder trail of this invention. Aircraft target vehicles are used to simulate aerial threats for missile tests and often fly at altitudes between 5,000 and 20,000 feet at speeds of 300 and 400 knots or more. The present invention is also suitable for use in other aircraft vehicles to generate contrails or reflective screens for any desired purpose. The powder contail generator is normally carried on an aircraft in a pod containing a ram air tube and powder feed hopper. Powder particles, surface treated to minimize interparticle cohesive forces are fed from the hopper to a deagglomerator and then to the ram air tube for dispensing as separate single particles to produce a contrail having maximum visibility for a given weight material. Other object, advantages and novel features of the invention will become apparent from the following detailed description of the invention when considered in conjunction with the accompanying drawing.

[fekdemasons]

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/5930/forumnphoto013u.th.jpg (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forumnphoto013u.jpg)

[fekdemasons]

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9579/forumnphoto014.th.jpg (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forumnphoto014.jpg)

[beldazar]

There were no attempts whatsoever at chemtrails today, not one plane flew over, pretty suss IMO......

[banjoreality]

There were no attempts whatsoever at chemtrails today, not one plane flew over, pretty suss IMO......
not suspicious, they are losing... get the orgo out:)

[beldazar]

not suspicious, they are losing... get the orgo out:)

No, there were no attempts at all

I bet they have headed off somewhere else in the world to do a mass spray

(btw, my house is simply surrounded with orgonite and chembusters ;))

[banjoreality]

No, there were no attempts at all

I bet they have headed off somewhere else in the world to do a mass spray

(btw, my house is simply surrounded with orgonite and chembusters ;))

ORG! ORG! ORGORG! (ethereal warrior chant).
three chems here in barcelona, keeping the rain away, but me and my girl just keep on rubbing em out the sky.
VIVA LA CLEAN PERCEPTION!

[cleopatraxxx]

ORG! ORG! ORGORG! (ethereal warrior chant).
three chems here in barcelona, keeping the rain away, but me and my girl just keep on rubbing em out the sky.
VIVA LA CLEAN PERCEPTION!

hehe, VIVA!;)

[white horse]

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/5930/forumnphoto013u.th.jpg (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forumnphoto013u.jpg)

Hey good pic fdm;

Don't know your location or orientation of the pic; but is that one flight returning from Alicante and one leaving Manchester, crossing a flight to Dublin?

Do you think all the passengers waved to each other as they passed by??! :D

[flyermay]

Hey good pic fdm;

Don't know your location or orientation of the pic; but is that one flight returning from Alicante and one leaving Manchester, crossing a flight to Dublin?

Do you think all the passengers waved to each other as they passed by??! :D

I don't think those passenger have hands to wave....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3424

[qasrose]

I don't think those passenger have hands to wave....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3424

That pic isn't a chemtrail plane :P, it's a test flight

[flyermay]

That pic isn't a chemtrail plane :P, it's a test flight

You got me!!!

I took to from an AA test to see how much beer the pilots can drink before crashing their plane.

[white horse]

I don't think those passenger have hands to wave....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3424

Ah yeah man! 500 gallons of Carlsberg and 150 bottles of Chateaux de la Lidl :D

[fekdemasons]

Chateau Rothschild more likely !!

[flyermay]

The 4 days break free of chemtrails is over. As of today at 6pm (GMT) and for almost 2 hours, West London suffered an interminable carrousel of planes leaving chemtrails.

This is just a small sample of the two dozen pictures of individual chemtrails that I took during those 2 hours.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3526

[anthony65]

The 4 days break free of chemtrails is over. As of today at 6pm (GMT) and for almost 2 hours, West London suffered an interminable carrousel of planes leaving chemtrails.

This is just a small sample of the two dozen pictures of individual chemtrails that I took during those 2 hours.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3526

Apparently they've been very busy over the Spanish peninsula and over the Atlantic to the west of it. Seems like they want to stop any rain falling on Spain... :(

"The rain in Spain is stopped mostly by the planes"

But there has been lots of orgonite gifted in Spain recently... :)

There are lots of satellite images here:

http://www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/viewtopic.php?p=4858#_Single_Post_View

[flyermay]

Here they are again. As usual, this time during the miday spraying schedule.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3549

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3550

Oh, yes... They came with a surprise today. Is that a UFO?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3551http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3552

Well... whatever it is, there were 5 metalic balls like this one ascending in group (first one on its own, and then 4 following it).

The strangest thing of all, is that this is the second time I see bright objects in the sky at the same time as the chemtrails.

[john connor]

what part of the world are you from? Ive seen them myself on 9 occassions now....IMO it's linked to the so called flu pandemic

[flyermay]

what part of the world are you from? Ive seen them myself on 9 occassions now....IMO it's linked to the so called flu pandemic

Sorry, that was meant as a joke. :o

I did see them though, and the pictures are authentic, but I honestly think they were just helium balloons (those that look like covered in aluminium tinfoil). However, the first one and the next four came from different locations; which is a bit odd.

Either way, the first time I realised the contrails were chemtrails (in West London 2 months ago), I also saw a very distant fixed object which appeared and disappeared twice.

[banjoreality]

I think things are gonna start getting weird for EVERYBODY, I'm kinda rejoicing in a strange kind of way, I feel sorry for all the suffering, death and disease. But look on the bright side, no none will call us crazy anymore:)

[munkyfish]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaAB4mq_k0o
Hello my friends i just made this video to help create awareness !!!
Please,check it out and share it among the sleeping sheep it is made for !!!
Thank you
PeacE

[hellosatellites]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaAB4mq_k0o
Hello my friends i just made this video to help create awareness !!!
Please,check it out and share it among the sleeping sheep it is made for !!!
Thank you
PeacE

Well done. Thanks for posting.

Where are the pics from?

[jimmi]

Plenty of chemtrail shit over South Wales coast today and for at least the last three days! It would have been lovely and sunny yesterday and today if it wasn't for this crap going on!

[antinwo]

Plenty of chemtrail shit over South Wales coast today and for at least the last three days! It would have been lovely and sunny yesterday and today if it wasn't for this crap going on!

But it's just normal for this to happen isn't it? :rolleyes:

[flyermay]

But it's just normal for this to happen isn't it? :rolleyes:

You'e right, we take on so much crap every day :rolleyes:

[dawnismygoddess]

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/5930/forumnphoto013u.th.jpg (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forumnphoto013u.jpg)

Tic-Tac-Toe!

I have some pictures of this happening in my skies just the other day. I'll try to post 'em later on this week.

[realfake]

Plenty of chemtrail shit over South Wales coast today and for at least the last three days! It would have been lovely and sunny yesterday and today if it wasn't for this crap going on! I haven't seen any heavy chemtrailing here (North East England) for months. Some areas seem to take a real pounding, whilst others are left untouched. This suggests that the silly bastards, have neither the manpower, or aircraft available, to be everywhere at once.

[antinwo]

I haven't seen any heavy chemtrailing here (North East England) for months. Some areas seem to take a real pounding, whilst others are left untouched. This suggests that the silly bastards, have neither the manpower, or aircraft available, to be everywhere at once.

Bloody hell where have you been realflake, I've seen loads over Teesside and I have been really bad with my asthma I wonder why:rolleyes:

[fekdemasons]

Is it me or has it temporarily stopped.

I have only noticed the odd trail here and there and been really busy. Or am I just not keeping my eye out

[beldazar]

Is it me or has it temporarily stopped.

I have only noticed the odd trail here and there and been really busy. Or am I just not keeping my eye out

I noticed it too, they stopped because of the wind I think, yesterday they had the big spreading out trails and today the normal trails cos the wind died down ;)

[john connor]

they was at 'it' last night

[flyermay]

They are still at it here in London too, but not as heavily as before; though practically every day.

By the way, does anyone knows what happened to Marpat; I heard he was banned from the forum :confused:

[fekdemasons]

They are still at it here in London too, but not as heavily as before; though practically every day.

By the way, does anyone knows what happened to Marpat; I heard he was banned from the forum :confused:


Strange , I have not noticed as much chemtrailing lately and Marpat is conspicuous by his absence.

YOu don't think We've influenced him to put a word in at the Mod and he's now being debriefed / waterboarded in an underground bunker ?

[flyermay]

YOu don't think We've influenced him to put a word in at the Mod and he's now being debriefed / waterboarded in an underground bunker ?

I just read in another thread someone saying that he has been "banned" from the forum (and also didn't post any messages in weeks).

[antinwo]

Marpat banned? Oh well at lest we'll have some peace now lol:D

[cleopatraxxx]

I noticed it too, they stopped because of the wind I think, yesterday they had the big spreading out trails and today the normal trails cos the wind died down ;)

yes, i noticed they have stopped for some time, at least two weeks. i am not sure it has to do with winds.
i also noticed today HAARPED SKY over Bradford and a few days ago i took interesting photos to upload later if photobucket allows me to! but both chemtrails were being sprayed yesterday and today + we now see HAARP too! which was more rare than chemtrails...

i wonder WHY they stopped for some time...

i was to post about it before, but was caught in loads of stuff to do and haven't been through my mails for the last three days!

time to catch-up

Cleo

[spock]

thick trials over my hoose this mornin.
are they back?
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/24052009828.jpg

[steevo]

thick trials over my hoose this mornin.
are they back?
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/24052009828.jpg

They did the same here too. There was plane after plane after plane......over the sun. The chemtrails are thinner than they used to be and are harder to spot. So they need MORE planes to do the work it would seem. The sun was only partially blocked out cos the clouds that were created we thinner than they used to be. I have mentioned in another thread that there has been a big reduction in chemtrails in my area which coincided with my leafleting campaign.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=212&pictureid=2469

Download my leaflet - Version 1 (http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3624/chemtrails1.jpg)
Download my leaflet - Version 2 (http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2034/chemtrails2.jpg)

[steevo]

If you do the leaflets, the chemtrails WILL stop.

[steevo]

I am definitely gonna start leafleting again, cos them bastards are taking the piss today :cool:

The PTB are frightened by leafleting campaigns. But funnily enough, hardly ANYONE does any who are on this forum :(

[dawnismygoddess]

Where I live they only spray from October to April, because that is our rainy season.


During May, June, July, August, & September, there is no spraying or very little of it. We still have nice summers.

[steevo]

They have been doing these trails (mainly across the sun) all day so far.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=3765

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=3764

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=3763

[dawnismygoddess]

That sucks man. Does it effect your mood? I know it does for me when they are doing it.

[steevo]

That sucks man. Does it effect your mood? I know it does for me when they are doing it.

Yeah it pisses me off when it blocks out the sun. I love the sun :)
It's as if they hate to see people being happy, so when the sun comes out they have to try and spoil it. All part of their not so secret agenda.

[steevo]

Knowledge is power......and the lack of knowledge means that you will easily be controlled by people who DO have power (knowledge/information). Now PLEASE spread the info to your fellow man (the info in the leaflet is enough for people to REALISE that things are not all what they seem to be). It will get them hungry for more knowledge (self enpowerment), and THAT is THE most important thing :-


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=212&pictureid=2469

Download my leaflet - Version 1 (http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3624/chemtrails1.jpg)
Download my leaflet - Version 2 (http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2034/chemtrails2.jpg)

[forza nascosta]

There has not been a cloud in the sky here today. Totally blue skies and scorching temperature.

[steevo]

they have chemtrailed here like mad today, and it's still going on. There is a massive "cloud" now where the sun is and it's made up of LOADS of different trails that have expanded. Apart from that there have been blue skies (ie no REAL clouds today).

[forza nascosta]

they have chemtrailed here like mad today, and it's still going on. There is a massive "cloud" now where the sun is and it's made up of LOADS of different trails that have expanded. Apart from that there have been blue skies (ie no REAL clouds today).

We had unusual clouds yesterday. I wondered if they were going to affect today's weather in someway. I am just uploading the pictures will post them in a minute.

[forza nascosta]

I noticed the clouds were quite uniform and it wasn't until I saw it on the computer that I was the triangular shape to them
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww138/lookupatthesky/DSC05731.jpg

Then a few minutes later I saw a black trail through the cloud
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww138/lookupatthesky/DSC05746.jpg

Then that black line seemed to turn into this
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww138/lookupatthesky/DSC05780.jpg

I have no idea the science behind any of this all I know it is very strange indeed.

[steevo]

About half an hour ago I saw a cloud like this one, but didnt manage to get a photo of it for various reasons (as mentioned in this thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64112&page=2)) :-

http://photos.imageevent.com/firesat/symbolsandlofos/chemtrails_05.jpg

[spock]

That sucks man. Does it effect your mood? I know it does for me when they are doing it.
i get pissed off. but mainly when peeps say it's not happening. i do find i get angry.
my mate fell out with his dad over it. i did to some extent with mine.
our dads are touching 70. they think no one would do this to us.
what it is they do is still open for debate.
but when i left my dad's before the sky was souped up to fuck. there was no denying that a lot of planes leff a lot of clouds..

[steevo]

i get pissed off. but mainly when peeps say it's not happening. i do find i get angry.
my mate fell out with his dad over it. i did to some extent with mine.
our dads are touching 70. they think no one would do this to us.
what it is they do is still open for debate.
but when i left my dad's before the sky was souped up to fuck. there was no denying that a lot of planes leff a lot of clouds..

I told this woman who lives close by about chemtrails a while back (ie I planted seeds), and I found out today that she has told loads of people about it and it seems that she may have ridiculed me :rolleyes: Great! She is telling everyone about it :D Planting SEEDS :)
I dont care about the ridicule cos the evidence is right in front of their eyes :)

[spock]

I told this woman who lives close by about chemtrails a while back (ie I planted seeds), and I found out today that she has told loads of people about it and it seems that she may have ridiculed me :rolleyes: Great! She is telling everyone about it :D Planting SEEDS :)
I dont care about the ridicule cos the evidence is right in front of their eyes :)

eggzackley steevo.
you can destroy me but not my ideas!!

it was undenieable when i came out of my dads that this was not normal clouds. some even looked out of focus, if you will. wierd.
at least your leaflets may help get the message across.
it may take a while for people to accept that somat is going on.
hope it's not too late.


but if we keep collecting data and trying to tell people then we will have helped to some degree.

[beldazar]

There has not been a cloud in the sky here today. Totally blue skies and scorching temperature.

Same here!!

I saw something very strange on saturday afternoon, I was watching a plane attempt to leave a trail and roughly a mile behind it, what I thought was another plane following it but it was extremely shiny then VANISHED, yep, it VANISHED right before my very eyes!

And a couple of hours later, I saw another very shiny plane do exactly the same thing! Are they trying out some kind of cloaking device and has anyone else seen this :confused:

[forza nascosta]

Same here!!

I saw something very strange on saturday afternoon, I was watching a plane attempt to leave a trail and roughly a mile behind it, what I thought was another plane following it but it was extremely shiny then VANISHED, yep, it VANISHED right before my very eyes!

And a couple of hours later, I saw another very shiny plane do exactly the same thing! Are they trying out some kind of cloaking device and has anyone else seen this :confused:

I believe you.

In the photo I just added I said that it was a black trail, but it wasn't black it looked to me like something had flown through the clouds and left the trail behind.

http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww138/lookupatthesky/DSC05746.jpg

I have more photo's of this sort of trail from other days.

[beldazar]

thanks Forza, I would like other people to keep looking out for this too.

and to add, it was unusually shiny, perhaps the sun had some effect on it :confused: because the plane in front wasnt....

[steevo]

thanks Forza, I would like other people to keep looking out for this too.

I will Bel :)

[beldazar]

I will Bel :)


thanks, lol

[dawnismygoddess]

eggzackley steevo.
you can destroy me but not my ideas!!

it was undenieable when i came out of my dads that this was not normal clouds. some even looked out of focus, if you will. wierd.
at least your leaflets may help get the message across.
it may take a while for people to accept that somat is going on.
hope it's not too late.


but if we keep collecting data and trying to tell people then we will have helped to some degree.


"All great truths begin as blasphemies"

[chaste]

Same here!!

I saw something very strange on saturday afternoon, I was watching a plane attempt to leave a trail and roughly a mile behind it, what I thought was another plane following it but it was extremely shiny then VANISHED, yep, it VANISHED right before my very eyes!

And a couple of hours later, I saw another very shiny plane do exactly the same thing! Are they trying out some kind of cloaking device and has anyone else seen this :confused:

Not anything particularly shiny but, yes, lots of weird things. Waiting at the bus stop, I was watching a plane because it was leaving a trail then, inexplicably, it did a U-turn (maybe the pilot remembered he'd left the gas on), shortly after which it disappeared from view in what I would otherwise have said was a clear blue sky (but I think it may have been obscured by the weird haze we've been getting - for example, I got caught in rain emanating from an apparently cloudless sky). Anyway, nobody else seemed to notice and there didn't much point in saying, "Can you see that thing that's now invisible?".

More generally, there's been other stuff I'd never seen before, like three planes flying one above the other, all leaving trails (so I don't know how that corresponds with them only being left at certain heights) and more recently a number of planes (at least, I assume they are because they can't be distinguished) flying at 310-degree bearings (in particular, there was one that started from near the rooftops and ended up so high that the only thing that made it seem like a plane was the trail coming out of it. Interestingly, the trail disappeared in its highest reaches, leaving only the lower part, which intersected in an X-formation with a trail left earlier).

Don't know if any of that makes sense - it's quite difficult to describe.

[steevo]

Photos taken 15 mins ago :-

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=3854

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=3855

[anthony65]

Not anything particularly shiny but, yes, lots of weird things. Waiting at the bus stop, I was watching a plane because it was leaving a trail then, inexplicably, it did a U-turn (maybe the pilot remembered he'd left the gas on), shortly after which it disappeared from view in what I would otherwise have said was a clear blue sky (but I think it may have been obscured by the weird haze we've been getting - for example, I got caught in rain emanating from an apparently cloudless sky). Anyway, nobody else seemed to notice and there didn't much point in saying, "Can you see that thing that's now invisible?".

More generally, there's been other stuff I'd never seen before, like three planes flying one above the other, all leaving trails (so I don't know how that corresponds with them only being left at certain heights) and more recently a number of planes (at least, I assume they are because they can't be distinguished) flying at 310-degree bearings (in particular, there was one that started from near the rooftops and ended up so high that the only thing that made it seem like a plane was the trail coming out of it. Interestingly, the trail disappeared in its highest reaches, leaving only the lower part, which intersected in an X-formation with a trail left earlier).

Don't know if any of that makes sense - it's quite difficult to describe.


Hi chaste,

The planes flying at an angle high into the sky is something I see quite often.

One day I was out in the hills with a bigger view and I watched planes that flew up at an angle, then down, etc....

Very strange...

[howie]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9882/moontrail1.jpg

[forza nascosta]

Photos taken 15 mins ago :-

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=3854


Your rabbit's got hairy ears!

[paolo]

I noticed the clouds were quite uniform and it wasn't until I saw it on the computer that I was the triangular shape to them
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww138/lookupatthesky/DSC05731.jpg

Then a few minutes later I saw a black trail through the cloud
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww138/lookupatthesky/DSC05746.jpg

Then that black line seemed to turn into this
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww138/lookupatthesky/DSC05780.jpg

I have no idea the science behind any of this all I know it is very strange indeed.

Regularly segmented clouds are often evidence of Haarping taking place, as are rainbow clouds as portrayed by Steevo

[forza nascosta]

Regularly segmented clouds are often evidence of Haarping taking place, as are rainbow clouds as portrayed by Steevo

What are they hoping to achieve by doing this? I don't really understand the science behind HAARP but if it is affecting the clouds to behave in that way what is it doing to us generally?

[paolo]

What are they hoping to achieve by doing this? I don't really understand the science behind HAARP but if it is affecting the clouds to behave in that way what is it doing to us generally?
The simplest explanation is weather manipulation and the use of that to control food and resources, and to further the depopulation agenda, through deliberate creations of droughts, floods and other 'natural disasters'
I think it's a multilevel attack, and can include targetting of populations with frequency assaults, up to and including an attempt to control the uprating Schumann resonances to keep the general world populations energy levels dampened, unaware and docile, encaged

[creepingdave]

3/4 Sunny days and perfect blue skies here in Yorkshire, and the chemtrails are finally starting up again this morning. The sky was full of them, must have been 4 or 5 going at the same time in different areas. No pictures unfortunately, by the time I had chance to get my camera the ones above my room had already gone. I put this down to the amount of orgonite in here, though have no cloudbusters....

[spock]

yes. loads here today too.

[steevo]

3/4 Sunny days and perfect blue skies here in Yorkshire, and the chemtrails are finally starting up again this morning. The sky was full of them, must have been 4 or 5 going at the same time in different areas. No pictures unfortunately, by the time I had chance to get my camera the ones above my room had already gone. I put this down to the amount of orgonite in here, though have no cloudbusters....

Yeah they started chemtrailing here again this morning (Yorkshire), and now the whole sky is covered in cloud. It was perfectly blue to start off with.

[flyermay]

Yeah they started chemtrailing here again this morning (Yorkshire), and now the whole sky is covered in cloud. It was perfectly blue to start off with.

Here in London too, they've been hard at it all morning.

[john connor]

Hazy here in the East Midlands too now....expecting lots of pink lines come sunset

[spock]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/02062009862.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/02062009863.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/spock1878/mad/02062009864.jpg

[steevo]

The sun has just come out again here temporaily cos of a break in the clouds, and guess what, there are chemtrails ABOVE the clouds :rolleyes: Bastards! :mad:

[steevo]

And they will keep chemtrailing UNTIL we have the sense/courage to pass on the information about chemtrails to our fellow man via a leafleting campaign for example. But until then, expect more shit in your lungs.

[franky000]

A nice day in Leicester

http://ploader.net/files/359bf43c5592742b8ebd6008a86e1c1f.jpg (http://ploader.net/#359bf43c5592742b8ebd6008a86e1c1f.jpg)

[marpat]

And they will keep chemtrailing UNTIL we have the sense/courage to pass on the information about chemtrails to our fellow man via a leafleting campaign for example. But until then, expect more shit in your lungs.

So I take it your leaflet campaign wasnt really as successful as you tried to make out.

[steevo]

So I take it your leaflet campaign wasnt really as successful as you tried to make out.

I said that the reduction in chemtrails co-incided with my leafleting campaign. AND I also said that you Marpat wouldnt know what caused the reduction in the chemtrails because you are too low down in the pyramid (I think the CIA call it "compartmentalisation").

Nevertheless, my leafleting campaign WAS effective because it met it's objectives.

It's time for a new campaign. Anyone with me ? :(

[flyermay]

It's time for a new campaign. Anyone with me ? :(

Let's go!!!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=3029

[steevo]

Let's go!!!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=3029

Nice one FlyerMay :)

Btw there is absolutely TONS of chemtrails here this evening, and some of the sky looks a bit like what is on your flyer :mad:

[franky000]

A nice evening in Leicester

http://ploader.net/files/43b2e943aa67d5849d6ece30b2453a96.JPG (http://ploader.net/#43b2e943aa67d5849d6ece30b2453a96.JPG)

[infin8_possibility]

About half an hour ago I saw a cloud like this one, but didnt manage to get a photo of it for various reasons (as mentioned in this thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64112&page=2)) :-

http://photos.imageevent.com/firesat/symbolsandlofos/chemtrails_05.jpg

I've just got in. I swear there is about 50 lines of chemtrails here in Manchester now. And I spotted a multicoloured trail just like the one in the pic above, never seen one like that before... Wonder what causes it???

[infin8_possibility]

Let's go!!!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=3029

Effective flyer... Although it would be a killer on ink resources. The likes of Me, Steevo and Caf could float 50-100 a day (even more than that if there's a group working together) and that flyer would cane our pockets tbh.

[flyermay]

Nice one FlyerMay :)

Btw there is absolutely TONS of chemtrails here this evening, and some of the sky looks a bit like what is on your flyer :mad:

Thanks, here too unfortunately. After all day at it, it pretty much looked like in the leaflet.

Effective flyer... Although it would be a killer on ink resources. The likes of Me, Steevo and Caf could float 50-100 a day (even more than that if there's a group working together) and that flyer would cane our pockets tbh.

Thanks, Have you tried asking small prints for quotes? They might make you fairly small lots, and I'm sure it would be cheaper than printing them yourselves.

On the other hand, the web is far more cost effective and has the potential to reach far more people.

[infin8_possibility]

Thanks, Have you tried asking small prints for quotes? They might make you fairly small lots, and I'm sure it would be cheaper than printing them yourselves.

On the other hand, the web is far more cost effective and has the potential to reach far more people.

I have a suggestion to save on printer ink:

How about resizing the flyer to fit 4 x A6 onto a single sheet of A4. And resizing the chemtrail image down by 50%? That way there is 4 times as many flyers to hand out for the same cost as 1 and the ink usage will decreased dramtically. :)

[flyermay]

I have a suggestion to save on printer ink:

How about resizing the flyer to fit 4 x A6 onto a single sheet of A4. And resizing the chemtrail image down by 50%? That way there is 4 times as many flyers to hand out for the same cost as 1 and the ink usage will decreased dramtically. :)

I guess you are already re-charging ink cartridges instead of buying new ones...

[infin8_possibility]

I guess you are already re-charging ink cartridges instead of buying new ones...

What's that supposed to mean?

It was only a suggestion to help the people that print out 100s of flyers weekly... Beacuse lemme tell you, the ink runs out like fuck.

[flyermay]

What's that supposed to mean?

It was only a suggestion to help the people that print out 100s of flyers weekly... Beacuse lemme tell you, the ink runs out like fuck.

:confused: It just means what it says, that you can re-charge them by a fraction of the price instead of buying new cartridges.

[beldazar]

Steevo I would join you in your leafletting campaign but we rarely get them down here, the sky hasnt been covered in trails for a while now, when they are I open my mouth and ask passers-by what they think of them.
It may be the fact that there is far less pollution down here or that there are 3 chembusters in the town. The planes fly over but since this glorious weather, they last seconds.
Im waiting to see if there is any change when digital takeover comes in.
It wouldnt be worth me handing out leaflets here.

Infin8, Flyermay is on about getting cartridges refilled with ink, some places will do this.
I bought some refill ink from safeways once but I cocked my PC up somehow so I wouldnt do it myself again :o

By the way I reckon the rainbow effect is caused by the metals in the trails. I saw a few 'sundogs' at the Isle of ight last year after they peppered the sky :(

[john connor]

I said that the reduction in chemtrails co-incided with my leafleting campaign. AND I also said that you Marpat wouldnt know what caused the reduction in the chemtrails because you are too low down in the pyramid (I think the CIA call it "compartmentalisation").

Nevertheless, my leafleting campaign WAS effective because it met it's objectives.

It's time for a new campaign. Anyone with me ? :(

with you here mate...if it works in B/W I will P/C loads at work...grab some of our taxs back off the Gov :)....

[john connor]

A nice day in Leicester

http://ploader.net/files/359bf43c5592742b8ebd6008a86e1c1f.jpg (http://ploader.net/#359bf43c5592742b8ebd6008a86e1c1f.jpg)


Hi

Just wanted to say hello and welcome...Im in your neck of the woods, there are a few of us here now, Ive been burning copies of Dont talk about the weather...excellent chem dvd

[steevo]

Steevo I would join you in your leafletting campaign but we rarely get them down here, the sky hasnt been covered in trails for a while now, when they are I open my mouth and ask passers-by what they think of them.
It may be the fact that there is far less pollution down here or that there are 3 chembusters in the town. The planes fly over but since this glorious weather, they last seconds.
Im waiting to see if there is any change when digital takeover comes in.
It wouldnt be worth me handing out leaflets here.



Hi Bel :)
We dont get THAT MANY chemtrails up here nowadays either, so I temporarily abandoned my leafleting campaign - I mean, there is no point in doing the leaflets if the people look up into the sky and they dont see any actual evidence of it.
I dont like to say this but, SOMETIMES I wish that they would start doing a huge amount of chemtrails again, each and every day like they used to do, just so that I could show people the UNDOUBTED evidence. But anyway, as soon as they start again, I will be doing a FULL ON leafleting campaign like I did before (which coincided with the reduction in chemtrails;):D). Dont get me wrong, I still do some leafleting on it but ONLY on days when they are OBVIOUSLY chemtrailing.

Download my leaflet - Version 1 (http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3624/chemtrails1.jpg)

Download my leaflet - Version 2 (http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2034/chemtrails2.jpg)

with you here mate...if it works in B/W I will P/C loads at work...grab some of our taxs back off the Gov :)....

Thanks for that JC :)

[cleopatraxxx]

Effective flyer... Although it would be a killer on ink resources. The likes of Me, Steevo and Caf could float 50-100 a day (even more than that if there's a group working together) and that flyer would cane our pockets tbh.

what about just photocopying them? or printing in Black and white? is still effective and more economic!
is ther any thing on the back of the leaflet? i mean a link or something written like: "Google IT!" ??
just an idea.

tnx
Cleo

yes, the planes stopped chemtrailing for a while. they have restarted recently, but apparently at a very much higher altitudes. The trails lasts less. then sometimes all is back to normal and the lines last for hours, they spread into clouds and then all becomes cloudy.

[infin8_possibility]

is ther any thing on the back of the leaflet? i mean a link or something written like: "Google IT!" ??
just an idea.


Thats a good point Cleo, there is no mention of the word "CHEMTRAIL" so how would people know what to google.

[flyermay]

is ther any thing on the back of the leaflet? i mean a link or something written like: "Google IT!" ??
just an idea.

Thanks Cleo. I guess that after all not everyone knows what a "chemtrail" is.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=3962

[antinwo]

Now that is a great eye catching poster.:)

[john connor]

East midlands has been sprayed BIG time today...

[cleopatraxxx]

Now that is a great eye catching poster.:)

YES! DEFINITELY IT IS A GREAT PHOTOGRAPH AND IT WORKS WELL AS AN EYE CATCHER!
I am sorry for not have commented on the looks of it before. I liked it and went on thinking about the info on it.

Yes, flyerman, i think it is good to add some sort of sentence on the leaflet for those who use less computers. it is like, if news come to your door on a piece of paper, unless it is comething really interesting, rarely anyone goes and visits the websites advertised. being this a new topic to many if we don't add something explanatory on the topic on the leaflet, it might just be binned by those who like things brought to them on the plate.

Some advertisement works well when you write almost nothing on them, because it brings curiosity, but that is normally follwoed by more advertisement on the topic which follws up a few days later. but this is not the case with the chemtrails.

i read the title of a new thread about making a competition to see who's leaflet is the best. was it regarding the info on chemtrails?
I don't agree we should compete. this is not a game and it is not about competition nor who is best. it is about getting together, brainstorming on which is the best way to put info together to get it out to the unknowing sleeping public.

anyway, congratulations flyerman: at least you did something! and it looks good! :)

Cleo

[cleopatraxxx]

today bradford is totally clouded. can't see a bit of the blue of the sky :(
Can't see any trails either

thnks fot the info JC

Regards
Cleo

[chaste]

Hi chaste,

The planes flying at an angle high into the sky is something I see quite often.

One day I was out in the hills with a bigger view and I watched planes that flew up at an angle, then down, etc....

Very strange...


Saw one flying just sharply downward for the first time yesterday but still not both up and down, and it seems ages since I've been able to see a 'plane shape no matter what height these trails are being formed at. There was a thread called something like New Kind Of Cloud (?), though, that brought your description to mind - all sorts of strange shapes, a bit like a mountain range in the sky.

On a different note, there was something on the TV about what I think was flu cases going up sixfold in the last week. Around here, everyone's been outside en masse in that time, in big groups enjoying the sun. Just a thought - if you want people to get together, give them some sun for a week.

[cor9]

2 days ago it was a sunny day and not a cloud in the sky in the afternoon. At 8 pm I looked out my window and counted (No Joke!) 18 trails. I never really paid much attention to them, but now Im gonna do some research on them.

[cleopatraxxx]

2 days ago it was a sunny day and not a cloud in the sky in the afternoon. At 8 pm I looked out my window and counted (No Joke!) 18 trails. I never really paid much attention to them, but now Im gonna do some research on them.

this website has lots of posts on the issue where you will find many many links to other websites.

Regards
Cleo

[1freethinker]

I've just got in. I swear there is about 50 lines of chemtrails here in Manchester now. And I spotted a multicoloured trail just like the one in the pic above, never seen one like that before... Wonder what causes it???

ive seen the misty rainbows numerous times. thats your proof right there imo , these are CHEMICALS, like the rainbow youll get from little aresol cans !!!:(

[redpill41]

Big x patterns in the sky

[cor9]

this website has lots of posts on the issue where you will find many many links to other websites.

Regards
Cleo

Thanks!

[kryst]

I've just got in. I swear there is about 50 lines of chemtrails here in Manchester now. And I spotted a multicoloured trail just like the one in the pic above, never seen one like that before... Wonder what causes it???

I saw the same thing in manchester on the 2nd - major chemtrailing, and I saw that rainbow thing too (chembow, lol?)

Anyway, i've took up the challenge and created a leaflet about chemtrails. They're really starting to piss me off, and everyone I speak to notices the increase in white lines, but they don't even question their existence.

I travelled on the motorway from manchester to walsall, where there was a massive spraying session going on, causing the next few days to be rediculously overcast with a solid milky grey colour. In the breaks that have appeared today, there were just loads of white lines - I believe they use the overcast technique to hide the full extent of the spraying.

It's just the same pattern - spray day, overcast days, clear days, over and over again.

http://www.bluekes.com/chemtrails_leaflets_x2.jpg

[john connor]

I saw the same thing in manchester on the 2nd - major chemtrailing, and I saw that rainbow thing too (chembow, lol?)

Anyway, i've took up the challenge and created a leaflet about chemtrails. They're really starting to piss me off, and everyone I speak to notices the increase in white lines, but they don't even question their existence.

I travelled on the motorway from manchester to walsall, where there was a massive spraying session going on, causing the next few days to be rediculously overcast with a solid milky grey colour. In the breaks that have appeared today, there were just loads of white lines - I believe they use the overcast technique to hide the full extent of the spraying.

It's just the same pattern - spray day, overcast days, clear days, over and over again.

http://www.bluekes.com/chemtrails_leaflets_x2.jpg

Hi and welcome. Your right even when its overcast, the slightest break and you can see the bloody things so its def not just fine days that they spray. I dont know about you but nearly everyone at work is complaining about being lethargic over tired etc etc....coincidence???

[kryst]

Yep. Something weird is definately going on. I've been drinking a larger number of energy drinks than usual to counter my tiredness.

Anyway, I strongly believe it's got somthing to do with THIS (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=orange+lights+sighting&search_sort=video_date_uploaded).

Any thoughts?

[fekdemasons]

FA Cup Final Day, what a beauty it was. not one cloud (or chemtrail) all day.


http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/710/mrblue.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mrblue.jpg)


Saturday morning after a violent thunderstorm , check out these clouds.
Worrying but cool at the same time ?

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5071/latestpics050.th.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=latestpics050.jpg)

[anthony65]

FA Cup Final Day, what a beauty it was. not one cloud (or chemtrail) all day.


http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/710/mrblue.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mrblue.jpg)


Saturday morning after a violent thunderstorm , check out these clouds.
Worrying but cool at the same time ?

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5071/latestpics050.th.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=latestpics050.jpg)

The bottom photo shows the undulating clouds that appear to be the little brothers of the monster clouds pictured recently.

Definitely fake!

Man made!

Can be sorted with polyester resin, metal shavings and a quartz crystal placed near TV towers and mobile phone masts....

Orgonite.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62867

The orgonite experiment thread! 82 pages in a few weeks....

Try it and smile... :)

[john connor]

Yep. Something weird is definately going on. I've been drinking a larger number of energy drinks than usual to counter my tiredness.

Anyway, I strongly believe it's got somthing to do with THIS (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=orange+lights+sighting&search_sort=video_date_uploaded).

Any thoughts?

The deniers on here would say otherwise BUT far too many people are feeling 'under the weather'...have you noticed the spraying is only over populated areas? I've witnessed this first hand 3-4 times now on long journeys...spraying over cities but nothing in the rural areas

[steevo]

The deniers on here would say otherwise BUT far too many people are feeling 'under the weather'...have you noticed the spraying is only over populated areas? I've witnessed this first hand 3-4 times now on long journeys...spraying over cities but nothing in the rural areas

Yes I have noticed that too.

[kryst]

The deniers on here would say otherwise BUT far too many people are feeling 'under the weather'...have you noticed the spraying is only over populated areas? I've witnessed this first hand 3-4 times now on long journeys...spraying over cities but nothing in the rural areas

I can confirm this too, although an argument would be that most air traffic is centered around cities due to airports etc. I don't believe that though.

[john connor]

I can confirm this too, although an argument would be that most air traffic is centered around cities due to airports etc. I don't believe that though.


yes and that would be a fair point....BUT take Leicester for example..the EM airport is about 15 miles out of town.....the trails are all over the city but bugger all near the airport...plus the commercial planes on route to EM leave no trails...its the other buggers that do..inc DRONES which I have taken pics off...so WHY are their DRONES over our skies spraying

[fuzzylogic]

yes and that would be a fair point....BUT take Leicester for example..the EM airport is about 15 miles out of town.....the trails are all over the city but bugger all near the airport...plus the commercial planes on route to EM leave no trails...its the other buggers that do..inc DRONES which I have taken pics off...so WHY are their DRONES over our skies spraying
Let's see these drones then.

On the point regarding airports, how long do you think it takes a plane to get to the altitude required to produce trails? Do you think they take off and BOOM! they're at 30 odd thousand feet?

Well observed, just not very well thought out.

[brainfreeze]

Does anyone think chemtrails could be a cloaking device?

[john connor]

Let's see these drones then.

On the point regarding airports, how long do you think it takes a plane to get to the altitude required to produce trails? Do you think they take off and BOOM! they're at 30 odd thousand feet?

Well observed, just not very well thought out.


I have posted these on this site before BUT I will repost them tonight...these planes are not taking off ...and they always come from west to east..for what thats worth....

[kryst]

Does anyone think chemtrails could be a cloaking device?

Maybe a closer comparison would be 'smoke screen'?

[brainfreeze]

Maybe a closer comparison would be 'smoke screen'?

Kinda. You know how the military have that knew digital invisible technology. I saw something on this about 18 months ago. It works by reflecting images back to what you are cloaking to screens on the cloaked device eg jacket is what they showed on the programme. Could they be using chemtrails to cloak things like those chinese lanterns on Saturday over the uk, is what I mean? Not just making clouds to hide behind, but to reflect off onto the device they are cloaking?

[john connor]

Kinda. You know how the military have that knew digital invisible technology. I saw something on this about 18 months ago. It works by reflecting images back to what you are cloaking to screens on the cloaked device eg jacket is what they showed on the programme. Could they be using chemtrails to cloak things like those chinese lanterns on Saturday over the uk, is what I mean? Not just making clouds to hide behind, but to reflect off onto the device they are cloaking?


Ive seen metallic orbs on 10 different occassions now around the chems...on at least 2-3 occassions ...whilst in a stationary position..smaller objects came down out of them and seemed to be taking samples...what these 'Orbs' are is beyond me..also how the hell they move at such speed...they dont have wings and leave no trails so anyone guess how they move or where they originate

[brainfreeze]

Ive seen metallic orbs on 10 different occassions now around the chems...on at least 2-3 occassions ...whilst in a stationary position..smaller objects came down out of them and seemed to be taking samples...what these 'Orbs' are is beyond me..also how the hell they move at such speed...they dont have wings and leave no trails so anyone guess how they move or where they originate

I saw 2 metallic orbs coming back from Sandwich, which is why I asked the question. I didn't see them for long and I saw each orb in about an hour of each other so it could have been the same one. I didn't see it do anything, just noticed it, then it disappeared each time, like magic, which is why I though of cloaking.

[john connor]

I saw 2 metallic orbs coming back from Sandwich, which is why I asked the question. I didn't see them for long and I saw each orb in about an hour of each other so it could have been the same one. I didn't see it do anything, just noticed it, then it disappeared each time, like magic, which is why I though of cloaking.

They move at fantastic speed and totally free of 'normal' air dynamics...I have pics of them....interstingly...when I took 4 pics of one that had descended quite low...when I put the memory card in the pc..there was nothing their..or so I thought, I thought somehow I had missed it 4-5 times...on closer inspection I could make it out but it was almost transparent, like a bubble...even tho moments earlier I had taken a pic of a solid object, bare in mind to the eye it appeared solid throughout. I think these trails serve more than one purpose, Im not going to hazzard as to why, but I am 100% convinced that regardless of the prime purpose they ARE having an adverse affect on our health. Morgellons is still on the rise and even the CDC have had to appear to investigate. Cliff Carnicorn (excuse spelling) has Morgellons so has a vested interest in chems, when he says there are dessicated bloodcells in the trails (so have others) then I tend to believe it, no shortage of blood supply..10, 000 drained cows a year in the US alone and 100's of thousands of missing humans each and every year....at some point very soon someone is going to have to whistleblow or someone is going to have to get a sample first hand

[fuzzylogic]

I have posted these on this site before BUT I will repost them tonight...these planes are not taking off ...and they always come from west to east..for what thats worth....
I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

What I was trying to say is that you refer to not seeing trails around airports, which is hardly surprising as planes around airports aren't at cruising altitude.

Your statement seems to boil down to "I have never seen a low flying plane leave a trail". There's nothing odd about that.

In reference to planes coming to east midlands airport, google suggests that pilots prepare for landing 100 miles away from the airport, so by the time they are 15 miles away they would not be at an altitude to produce trails. So again, why is this behaviour you have noted in any way strange?

Presumably the "other buggers" are planes from different airports going to different airports. Different as in not east midlands.

[anthony65]

I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

What I was trying to say is that you refer to not seeing trails around airports, which is hardly surprising as planes around airports aren't at cruising altitude.

Your statement seems to boil down to "I have never seen a low flying plane leave a trail". There's nothing odd about that.

In reference to planes coming to east midlands airport, google suggests that pilots prepare for landing 100 miles away from the airport, so by the time they are 15 miles away they would not be at an altitude to produce trails. So again, why is this behaviour you have noted in any way strange?

Presumably the "other buggers" are planes from different airports going to different airports. Different as in not east midlands.

Regarding your remark about low flying planes not leaving trails...

Several people have commented recently on seeing an increasing number of planes flying at angles in the sky, and nothing related to taking off from or landing at airports. A few weeks ago I saw planes leaving saw tooth patterns in the sky as they flew up and down again.

But as to your remark about low flying planes. A few days ago there were a number of planes flying sharply upwards leaving trails until suddenly the trails stopped and the planes continued to fly upwards leaving zero trail behind them.

Trails at the lower height. No trails at the upper height. How to explain that phenomenon?

[anthony65]

Fuzzy....

Did you see this thread?

Care to comment? If this isn't manmade weather manipulation then I'm an Evertonian...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67205

[infin8_possibility]

I saw the same thing in manchester on the 2nd - major chemtrailing, and I saw that rainbow thing too (chembow, lol?)

Anyway, i've took up the challenge and created a leaflet about chemtrails. They're really starting to piss me off, and everyone I speak to notices the increase in white lines, but they don't even question their existence.

I travelled on the motorway from manchester to walsall, where there was a massive spraying session going on, causing the next few days to be rediculously overcast with a solid milky grey colour. In the breaks that have appeared today, there were just loads of white lines - I believe they use the overcast technique to hide the full extent of the spraying.

It's just the same pattern - spray day, overcast days, clear days, over and over again.

http://www.bluekes.com/chemtrails_leaflets_x2.jpg


Big up on your flyer man, good work, shit hot leaflet. :)

Get it posted on Mr. Steevo's chemtrail competition thread. ;)

[cleopatraxxx]

Hi and welcome. Your right even when its overcast, the slightest break and you can see the bloody things so its def not just fine days that they spray. I dont know about you but nearly everyone at work is complaining about being lethargic over tired etc etc....coincidence???

I do not think it is coincidence. We are being poisoned by the chemincals from the chemtrails on a daily basis... these chemicals do fall on the grass, the waters, the vegetation we eat, the cows consume this shit and all this goes into the milk we drink....so, yes, a definite poisoning.
:(

[cleopatraxxx]

FA Cup Final Day, what a beauty it was. not one cloud (or chemtrail) all day.


http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/710/mrblue.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mrblue.jpg)


Saturday morning after a violent thunderstorm , check out these clouds.
Worrying but cool at the same time ?

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5071/latestpics050.th.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=latestpics050.jpg)

what the hecks??????? this is an impressive Photo! Similar to what i registered the other day! They are FAR FROM being NATURALLY OCCURING CLOUDS! I must mention the other day i got also some photos of weird cloud formations. they looked like arsses hanging from the sky! i am not joking:D, in this picture of yours, these "arsses" are all together and there are so many. on my photo they are very spread from each other, none the less very similar!
i am having trouble with puting pics in imageshack! so can't find a way yet to upload them on the web to link here for you people to view them:(. if only this forum had it's own storage space!

anyway, TNX for the PICS! good posts

Regards
Cleo

[fuzzylogic]

I have posted these on this site before BUT I will repost them tonight
It's OK. I tracked them down. I'm guessing you mean here -> http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40638&highlight=drone

Not surprising you didn't repost them really. It's much easier to say "I have photos of drones" and not back it up than say "I have photos of drones" and then back it up with photos of what is obviously a rather large plane :rolleyes:

[john connor]

It's OK. I tracked them down. I'm guessing you mean here -> http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40638&highlight=drone

Not surprising you didn't repost them really. It's much easier to say "I have photos of drones" and not back it up than say "I have photos of drones" and then back it up with photos of what is obviously a rather large plane :rolleyes:


If you say so...I took that photo from my attic window..I had that confirmed by a guy at work who had worked in the defence ind for 25 years and also by a guy who works for Rolls Royce in Derby..the aero side
...dont tell me what I see with my own eyes and what others see...didnt repost them as Im too busy selling everything I have and dont need on Ebay..I plan on getting out this country ASAP...

[anthony65]

It's OK. I tracked them down. I'm guessing you mean here -> http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40638&highlight=drone

Not surprising you didn't repost them really. It's much easier to say "I have photos of drones" and not back it up than say "I have photos of drones" and then back it up with photos of what is obviously a rather large plane :rolleyes:

It could be a large UAV...

Can you tell the difference Fuzzy?

Think they don't exist in that size?

The MOD would tell you you that they do...

And if they made this public back in 2007 don't you think the black ops boys might have had this kind of technology long before then?

http://www.mod.uk/defenceinternet/defencenews/equipmentandlogistics/pilotlesspassengerjetflownremotelybyrafinworldfirs t.htm

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/Templates/LargeImageTemplate.aspx?img=/NR/rdonlyres/ED85EF4A-8A73-4F56-93B2-8CE71A1D09CB/0/ZH7631CraigHoyle.JPG&alt=The%20converted%20BAC%201-11%20commercial%20passenger%20jet

Pilotless passenger jet flown remotely by RAF in world first
An Equipment and Logistics news article
3 Apr 07


A glimpse into the future of how the RAF might attack a number of air and ground targets with multiple unmanned aircraft, but with a single pilot in charge, has been demonstrated over the West Country.


The Tornado F2 prior to taking off to lead four virtual UAV's into "battle"
[Picture: RAF]
A passenger jet simulating a pilotless combat aircraft was flown from RAF Boscombe Down to an area of the Bristol Channel target area by its normal crew – who then "handed over" control to the pilot of a nearby RAF Tornado fighter via data links from his cockpit.

Once at operating height the crew of the passenger jet - a standard BAC 1-11 but with seats replaced by three autonomous sets of hi-tech Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle simulators - relaxed as the Tornado pilot took over the controls and instructed the commercial jet and its three virtual equivalents to proceed towards the targets.

The BAC 1-11 is a technology demonstrator - or surrogate UAV - providing a platform to test the operation of an unmanned aircraft from the cockpit of a single frontline jet.

The system was developed by QinetiQ, formerly the Government's Defence Evaluation and Research Agency, with funding from the MOD’s Research Acquisition Organisation (part of science / innovation / technology). While only one aircraft was physically being flown, it had banks of duplicated equipment to mimic three further UAVs, all of which were successfully flown onto targets during the demonstration.



The converted BAC 1-11 commercial passenger jet plays the role of an combat unmanned air vehicle. Within the jet are banks of electronic systems that play the role of three other UAVs all under the control of a nearby Tornado pilot
[Picture: Craig Hoyle]
The crew of the BAC 1-11 was retained for safety, but once cleared after the take-off the aircraft was handed over to the control of Tornado pilot Squadron Leader Andy Blythe, of RAF Boscombe Down's Fast Jet Test Squadron, who was flying close by.
The Tornado and four UAVs carried out simulated ground attacks on moving targets driving autonomously across Exmoor. The sophisticated computer on the UAVs allowed them to communicate and sense their environment, including locating possible enemies and target their weapons themselves. The final decision whether to fire was retained by the Tornado pilot.

Squadron Leader Andy Blythe said:

"The trial was a complete success. The BAC 1-11 took off first and and I caught up with it 30 minutes later. I took over and operated the jet at between 14,000 and 20,000ft. I found the UAVs easy to control. First I directed them to do a sweep over the battlefield to identify vehicles and send back their images to me in the cockpit. Once I had classified the targets in order of priority, and got the UAVs to make a second sweep to check for friendlies, I gave consent for the UAVs to destroy the targets, which they did and then made a final sweep for battle damage assessment."

The Tornado - an F2 air defence variant – is known as TIARA (Tornado Integrated Avionics Research Aircraft). In customising the aircraft for UAV trials, standard cockpit instrumentation was replaced by a number of interactive moving map screens to allow operation of the notional pilotless aircraft.



The 'TIARA' Tornado F2 in flight with the BAC 1-11
[Picture: Craig Hoyle]
The advantages of the demonstrator aircraft include not being confined to segregated test ranges and enabling software refinements to take place in the air as they are needed, rather than having a dedicated facility on the ground. Central to the project is the reduction of workload on the pilot.

Squadron Leader Rich Wells, of MOD's Defence Equipment Capability (DEC) Deep Target Attack branch, explained:

"The RAF is keen to explore the potential of extending the capability of our fast jet aircraft through the use of multiple supporting UAVs. The latest achievement by QinetiQ represents a significant advance to this end.

"The use of UAVs has the potential to deliver a wide range of benefits both for the management of air battle space, force multiplication and safety. In particular it can perform missions that are dangerous, dirty or dull that are currently carried out by manned aircraft.



Squadron Leader Rich Wells at Boscombe Down explains the quantum leap the success of the recent trials represents
[Picture: RAF]
"UAVs provide air forces with increased capability, greater flexibility and agility. But the human control will always be pivotal and ever-present. The image of a 'Terminator' with a mind of its own will never happen. UAVs can be controlled from the ground, but directing a number of UAVs from a manned aircraft close to the battle space could offer significant military advantages."

QinetiQ's Air Division Managing Director, Tony Wall, added:

"We are delighted with the success achieved at Boscombe Down – it represents an important step in proving that complex autonomy technologies are ready to move from a simulated world to realistic flight conditions. A system that allows a single pilot to fly his or her own aircraft while simultaneously controlling a package of UAVs is a true world first. We hope it will be coming into service around 2020, possibly on Typhoon."

The latest trials will feed into two further UAV areas - Project TARANIS, an MOD initiative to develop an autonomous full size unmanned combat aircraft which should fly by 2010, and a system for commercial applications that can assist in areas such as search and rescue, disaster relief and environmental monitoring.

[fuzzylogic]

It could be a large UAV...

Can you tell the difference Fuzzy?

Think they don't exist in that size?
Fine. It's a UAV the size of a passenger plane. It's obviously unmanned, it's so easy to tell.

And John Connor has loads of photos of passenger planes flying over his house that look drastically different to this one so we can plainly see the difference. I'm sure he's got tons of photos of contrailing planes where you can identify the windows of the plane. Even see the pilot so we know it's not unmanned.

Or maybe not.

[anthony65]

Fine. It's a UAV the size of a passenger plane. It's obviously unmanned, it's so easy to tell.

And John Connor has loads of photos of passenger planes flying over his house that look drastically different to this one so we can plainly see the difference. I'm sure he's got tons of photos of contrailing planes where you can identify the windows of the plane. Even see the pilot so we know it's not unmanned.

Or maybe not.

So you accept that there are UAVs of this size?

[john connor]

Fine. It's a UAV the size of a passenger plane. It's obviously unmanned, it's so easy to tell.

And John Connor has loads of photos of passenger planes flying over his house that look drastically different to this one so we can plainly see the difference. I'm sure he's got tons of photos of contrailing planes where you can identify the windows of the plane. Even see the pilot so we know it's not unmanned.

Or maybe not.

who are you trying to convince here? your on a par with Bigus Dickus ..who strangely enough seemed to dissapear when you appeared...ooer another CT..I dont have the time or inclination to 'debate' or swap sarcastic comments with you..it must gall you to see more and more people 'waking' up to this

[fuzzylogic]

So you accept that there are UAVs of this size?
Of what size?

[kryst]

If you say so...I took that photo from my attic window..I had that confirmed by a guy at work who had worked in the defence ind for 25 years and also by a guy who works for Rolls Royce in Derby..the aero side
...dont tell me what I see with my own eyes and what others see...didnt repost them as Im too busy selling everything I have and dont need on Ebay..I plan on getting out this country ASAP...

What exactly do you guys mean by 'dones'?

I buy into the whole unmanned planes thing - it would explain the lack of civilian and military pilots going public on the trailing. It would also be quite handy for the weather controllers who could simply plug in a desired weather condition into a computer and allow the real work to be done by these (potential) drones.

And if it malfunctions... lost french jet anyone?

[anthony65]

Of what size?

Any size, although in this case, the size of the planes JC documented in his posts.

If the RAF can make a UAV out of a BAC 1-11 commercial passenger jet then it is theoretically possible to make a UAV out of any aircraft...

Agreed?

[fuzzylogic]

If the RAF can make a UAV out of a BAC 1-11 commercial passenger jet then it is theoretically possible to make a UAV out of any aircraft...

Agreed?
Of course, agreed.

But do you agree that there is no way of telling the difference between an unmanned passenger jet and a manned passenger jet, at cruising altitude, from the ground?

Do you also agree that no windows on a photo of a passenger jet at cruising altitude from the ground is not evidence that there were no windows on the plane?

[john connor]

Of course, agreed.

But do you agree that there is no way of telling the difference between an unmanned passenger jet and a manned passenger jet, at cruising altitude, from the ground?

Do you also agree that no windows on a photo of a passenger jet at cruising altitude from the ground is not evidence that there were no windows on the plane?

Not debating with you...but when did I say these were cruising at altitude????
these b******* were no higher than a twin seater...they were certainly a lot lower than the commercial planes on route to EMA....I see planes everyday...I have never as far as I know seen a commercial plane leave anything other than a brief CONTRAIL....what I witness 4-6 days a week are thick dirty lines that are not contrails and are not from commercial planes...there is nothing wrong with my eyesight or my gut feeling..END OF

[fuzzylogic]

Not debating with you...but when did I say these were cruising at altitude????
these b******* were no higher than a twin seater...they were certainly a lot lower than the commercial planes on route to EMA....I see planes everyday...I have never as far as I know seen a commercial plane leave anything other than a brief CONTRAIL....what I witness 4-6 days a week are thick dirty lines that are not contrails and are not from commercial planes...there is nothing wrong with my eyesight or my gut feeling..END OF
You'll have to excuse the two converstions going on here.

Anthony65 seems to like to take things off on a bit of a tangent. He's changed the discussion here. I'm not saying you said anything, just going down a different line with Anthony65.

Although I would ask how you are determining that the thick dirty trails are not from commercial planes? Hopefully not with a 10x digital zoom.

[anthony65]

Of course, agreed.

But do you agree that there is no way of telling the difference between an unmanned passenger jet and a manned passenger jet, at cruising altitude, from the ground?

Do you also agree that no windows on a photo of a passenger jet at cruising altitude from the ground is not evidence that there were no windows on the plane?

Agreed!

Excellent.

And with reference to another post. I hardly took the thread off at a tangent.

JC made reference to UAVs, to which you sarcastically replied "photos of what is obviously a rather large plane".

My point was that it could be a UAV. You have now agreed.

At no stage did I agree with JC that these are UAVs. I can't tell from these photos, so I can't rule it in or out.

But the technology is there and if JC has spent time observing the planes then I will not dismiss his opinion as easily as you do.

Have you checked the thread I mentioned earlier showing the manmade clouds generated by Lofar in Holland?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67205

[fuzzylogic]

JC made reference to UAVs, to which you sarcastically replied "photos of what is obviously a rather large plane".

My point was that it could be a UAV. You have now agreed.
JC ACTUALLY made reference to a drone.

That is a pretty specific type of UAV.

I've never heard of an unmanned passenger jet refered to as a drone and I don't think one ever would be.

I'm agreeing that it could be a UAV if we are talking a unmanned passenger jet. I do not believe that that is a picture of a drone as we refer to drones.

[anthony65]

JC ACTUALLY made reference to a drone.

That is a pretty specific type of UAV.

I've never heard of an unmanned passenger jet refered to as a drone and I don't think one ever would be.

I'm agreeing that it could be a UAV if we are talking a unmanned passenger jet. I do not believe that that is a picture of a drone as we refer to drones.

Drone in wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone

[edit] Vehicles
A teleoperated or autonomous vehicle:

Unmanned aerial vehicles, especially the Predator drone
Target drones
Remotely operated underwater vehicles
Unmanned ground vehicles

In this case, it is pretty bleedin' obvious from the photos provided by JC that he is referring to large scale UAV's...

[fuzzylogic]

Drone in wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone

[edit] Vehicles
A teleoperated or autonomous vehicle:

Unmanned aerial vehicles, especially the Predator drone
Target drones
Remotely operated underwater vehicles
Unmanned ground vehicles

In this case, it is pretty bleedin' obvious from the photos provided by JC that he is referring to large scale UAV's...
Length: 27 ft (8.22 m)

Boeing 747. Length: 231 ft 10 in (70.6 m)

Not exactly in the same league.

Please note the 4 engines in JC's picture for why I'm picking a 747. Also note the lack of any wing engines on the Predator UAV.

It ain't a drone!!!

[anthony65]

Length: 27 ft (8.22 m)

Boeing 747. Length: 231 ft 10 in (70.6 m)

Not exactly in the same league.

Please note the 4 engines in JC's picture for why I'm picking a 747. Also note the lack of any wing engines on the Predator UAV.

It ain't a drone!!!

You are such a pedant and you are wrong, as usual...

Merriam Websters...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/drone

an unmanned aircraft or ship guided by remote control

The freedictionary...

4. A pilotless aircraft operated by remote control.

Yourdictionary.com

a pilotless airplane that is directed in flight by remote control

[fuzzylogic]

You should note how the articles you've posted about UAVs never refer to the converted planes as drones.

A drone is a UAV, not doubt about that. But I wouldn't say that all UAVs are drones.

Can you blame me for being a pedant when you seem to try and claim victories on semantics?

[anthony65]

You should note how the articles you've posted about UAVs never refer to the converted planes as drones.

A drone is a UAV, not doubt about that. But I wouldn't say that all UAVs are drones.

Can you blame me for being a pedant when you seem to try and claim victories on semantics?

I had no problem with the use of the term UAV.

UAV is an umbrella term for drone.

You are the one who made the sarky comments about drones.

[fuzzylogic]

UAV is an umbrella term for drone.
I disagree. And that seems to be where confusion has come from.

But regardless of what type of UAV we are refering to here, it makes no difference.

If we are talking about drones of the type that we think of drones when they are mentioned, such as...

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3417/predatordronecslattery.jpg

... then it's pretty obvious that it's not one of them in the photo.

If we are talking "drone" as in a converted passenger plane (which I would not call a drone) then the question would be how on earth is anyone meant to know that it's unmanned from a picture taken from the ground? Which is what John Connor said two people were able to confirm.

[john connor]

Excuse me for using the word 'Drone' im not an ologist or any kind of ist nor am I a closet keyboard warrior. What ever the 'technical' term for this is...is f******* irrelevent.....it was spraying crap and had no right to be doing it, I have children and I will do whatever to try and protect them.

Here is a link I found that, you will note it says Rolls Royce...so when a friend who works for them tells me the pic he sees on my pc is a 'drone'...then guess what I believe him, when a guy at work who has 25 years in the Defence Ind says that in his opinion Drone...UAV whatever you want to call them...then I will take his word at face value.

ASTRAEA is a pioneering £32 million aerospace programme which is addressing key technological and regulatory issues in order to open up non-segregated airspace to unmanned autonomous aircraft.

ASTRAEA involves a consortium of major aerospace companies, including BAE Systems, EADS, Cobham, QinetiQ, Rolls-Royce, and Thales, working with autonomous systems specialist Agent Oriented Software, many of the most innovative small companies in the sector, and leading academic minds.

http://www.projectastraea.co.uk/

oh and nice pyramid type logo on the site too...thats if your into CT stuff

[fuzzylogic]

Here is a link I found that, you will note it says Rolls Royce...so when a friend who works for them tells me the pic he sees on my pc is a 'drone'...then guess what I believe him, when a guy at work who has 25 years in the Defence Ind says that in his opinion Drone...UAV whatever you want to call them...then I will take his word at face value.
How many people would it take to tell you it's not a drone for you to believe it's not a drone?

I'm tempted to post it up on a few pilots forums to get their opinion.

[john connor]

Last June, US intelligence sources claim that they detected one of Iraq's newest UAVs traveling 310 miles "nonstop on autopilot" in a racetrack pattern. In their arms declaration to the U.N., Iraq claims that its UAVs only have a 50 mile range. There is solid intelligence that Iraq has tested several different types of sprayers on these drones to disperse biological and chemical weapons. Iraq has been producing VX nerve agent, anthrax, botulism toxin, ricin and other bugs for years and has failed to account for more than 500 artillery shells filled with mustard gas which it used in its war with Iran. The inspectors found several empty chemical warheads in immaculate condition recently and the presumption that Saddam has destroyed these materials is probably not accurate. To deliver deliver chemical and biological weapons, Iraq has developed several unmanned aerial vehicle prototypes . The most famous one is a retrofitted Mig-21 with extra fuel tanks and four spray canisters. It was definitely not used for crop dusting.

no it cant happen can it????

http://www.goldcrow.com/drone/drones.htm

[john connor]

How many people would it take to tell you it's not a drone for you to believe it's not a drone?

I'm tempted to post it up on a few pilots forums to get their opinion.


oh good idea...and while your at it..ask the Bas**** what cock n bull story those not in the 'know' are being fed to explain F****** X's everywhere

[john connor]

or maybe the pilots could get a deal at spec savers cos they MUST see it and wonder and have asked..so what have they been told???

[anthony65]

I disagree. And that seems to be where confusion has come from.

But regardless of what type of UAV we are refering to here, it makes no difference.

If we are talking about drones of the type that we think of drones when they are mentioned, such as...

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3417/predatordronecslattery.jpg

... then it's pretty obvious that it's not one of them in the photo.

If we are talking "drone" as in a converted passenger plane (which I would not call a drone) then the question would be how on earth is anyone meant to know that it's unmanned from a picture taken from the ground? Which is what John Connor said two people were able to confirm.

And you talk about semantics!

What you consider to be a drone is not what the dictionaries defined as a drone and nor is it what wiki defined as a drone:

Remember? No mention of size here. You could contact them of course and tell them to alter their definitions. If they do, please let us know!

Merriam Websters...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/drone

an unmanned aircraft or ship guided by remote control

The freedictionary...

4. A pilotless aircraft operated by remote control.

Yourdictionary.com

a pilotless airplane that is directed in flight by remote control

[anthony65]

Fuzzy keeps on droning on and as usual he's got it all wrong...

Here is a drone warship. 8000 tonnes. Wouldn't fit in your bathtub fuzzy.

http://www.gadgetvenue.com/uxv-combatant-unmanned-drone-warship-09262944/

There are helodrones

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31599856@N00/445166308/

[john connor]

hows it everywhere else??

[beldazar]

pretty clear here, just a few broken remnants drifting through
(cornwall)

[anthony65]

hows it everywhere else??

The most beautiful skies you could imagine here in Southern Germany today.

[halluminati]

heres a pic i took last week over north kent you can clearly see the old chemtrails and 2 contrails being formed at about the same altitude

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n297/farmerisms/chems.jpg

[beldazar]

Yuck! ^^ ^^

I dont see any contrails though, they are a rare occurrence....

[marpat]

heres a pic i took last week over north kent you can clearly see the old chemtrails and 2 contrails being formed at about the same altitude

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n297/farmerisms/chems.jpg

Explain how you know those aircraft are at about the same altitude

[john connor]

heres a pic i took last week over north kent you can clearly see the old chemtrails and 2 contrails being formed at about the same altitude

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n297/farmerisms/chems.jpg

HI thanks for posting and welcome to the site, glad to see another new member awakening to these chems, take NO NOTICE of our 2 resident chem deniers only they know their motives for such blatent denial