UK Chemtrails

[beldazar]

Hey nice one Kweli, it made me a bit sick seein those pictures, I cant understand anyone who trys to debunk chemtrails, have they no eyes???

[marpat]

I guess being in the minority and asking people to present credible work means I am wrong.

To me it would seem that the red tinge to the trails is due to the effect of the setting sun as you can see the same tinge in the sky. Is a red sky in the evening really so unusual?

I am finding it harder to listen to people. I recently saw pic of what somebody was trying to say was the inside of a chemtrail aircraft when it was nothing of the sort. The signs on board had been censored but they were trying to say it reads sprayer 1. How are people expected to listen when the so called evidence turns out to be very dubious?

So what are those pic supposed to prove? there is no time reference to them and the trails coming from the jet look quite normal, it being a jet with two engines.

Why do people think I am trying to debunk this theory? I have nothing to gain be debunking it so why bother. I could just as easily accept it and would gain nothing in physical terms. All I want is something more than just a few pic and vids that may or may not indiciate a trail. I don't think they count as proof at all. A lot of people have UFO vids that have been proven false and which are sometimes created with graphics programs so who could say this is not happening.

[beldazar]

Marpat, dont you get any in the skies above you and do you regularly look up in the sky? I do and I have done all my life, I use my eyes first. Maybe you dont get them where you are or maybe you need to go to specsavers....:D

[marpat]

Marpat, dont you get any in the skies above you and do you regularly look up in the sky? I do and I have done all my life, I use my eyes first. Maybe you dont get them where you are or maybe you need to go to specsavers....:D

The fact is that when I lived at home many aircraft passed overheard to the local airport, as well as travelling overseas. Presently I work in an aircraft related environment and see many trails in the sky. The reality is that I do not see sudden outbreaks of illness when there are trails in the sky and I have often attended met briefings which describe full weather conditions and which also include data which include what height contrails will appear. I never seee anything remotely red either. Do you work in such a place?

We all have our opinions but I am being firmly pushed into the anti chemtrail side by what I am reading.

[marpat]

Hey nice one Kweli, it made me a bit sick seein those pictures, I cant understand anyone who trys to debunk chemtrails, have they no eyes???


Those pics prove nothing. It's just pro-chemtrail propoganda. Trying to say the Herc ionises the sky, utter shite. And the mobile masts disguised as trees, so what they are less ugly than plain masts. I have seen them in this area and am not shocked by them. Planes that look like the cross paths could be thousands of feet apart, it is nothing unsual. Straw grasping and no proof is what springs to mind.

These myths only exist because people without hard facts try to make claims that pander to the fears of paranoid, fearful people. If there were real facts then what is to stop people going public and proving it in front of the public eye? I don't see anybody causing a stink about it publicly, just agreeing in their little groups in a forum. Why don't I hear stories of people outside of military bases protesting about chemtrail aircraft. The newspapers would love that sort of publicity and even if you get arrested it will be for the freedom of the people. You want to wake people up then go and do something physical, go and make noisy protests. Until I see somebody getting real results then I feel there is a lack of credibility.

[beldazar]

That may explain it then, I DONT live over an airfield and have NEVER seen such activity in the skies til now. Ive been here 42 years and see the difference.

The way you are going on, anyone would think youre one of the pilots trying to make excuses for polluting the skies!

[largejack]

The way you are going on, anyone would think youre one of the pilots trying to make excuses for polluting the skies!

Nice one hun I was going to say the same thing:D

[beldazar]

Thanks, for someone who claims he isnt a chemtrail debunker, he's doing a mighty fine impression of one! I wonder what excuse he has for the dark line LEADING the plane, "oh, its the baffles, they need cleaning and the fumes are now ejected from the front of the plane?" :rolleyes:

[kweli]

The way you are going on, anyone would think youre one of the pilots trying to make excuses for polluting the skies!

Nice one hun I was going to say the same thing:D

You guys might not be far off the mark here.

One thing I've learned though, there's no point trying to convince or debate issues with these hard nosed skeptics, they will drain your energy and waste your time.

[lookfar]

You guys might not be far off the mark here.

One thing I've learned though, there's no point trying to convince or debate issues with these hard nosed skeptics, they will drain your energy and waste your time.

Yep I totally agree with you honey - it should only matter to us what we personally think as individuals, what anyone else thinks is up to them & definitely not worth excerting the energy trying to change their minds.

Hehe interesting about the pilot comment though, be interesting to see how he replies to that - didn't he say he works in electronic weapons or something like that in another thread?:p Hmmm chemtrails maybe, lol??!!:D

[largejack]

Just for you personally Marpat

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.whiteplanes.com/images/showcase/redarrows/redarrows6.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.whiteplanes.com/showcase/redarrows/redarrows6.htm&h=400&w=560&sz=48&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=1qS0xf1IgoocoM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dred%2Barrows%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa %3DG

[largejack]

Seen as though he/she may know what the chemtrail thing is all about (as he/she works in the aircraft field) I think he/she should tell us the truth about what is really going on don't you all:D

[kweli]

Yep I totally agree with you honey - it should only matter to us what we personally think as individuals, what anyone else thinks is up to them & definitely not worth excerting the energy trying to change their minds.

Hehe interesting about the pilot comment though, be interesting to see how he replies to that - didn't he say he works in electronic weapons or something like that in another thread?:p Hmmm chemtrails maybe, lol??!!:D

Pro Mason too. ;) It just makes me question what this type is actually doing here? If he doen't believe in any of our theories, and thinks we're all deluded, then why hang around? Doesn't make much sense to me.

[largejack]

Pro Mason too. ;) It just makes me question what this type is actually doing here? If he doen't believe in any of our theories, and thinks we're all deluded, then why hang around? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Too true, why bother I think he has been ordered to come on here and try and convert us otherwise, although I could be wrong:D

[largejack]

Just have to mention though. Today we have lovely CLEAR blue skies in the North East of England. Which is so different from yesterday and every day before when the sky was just full of persistant spreading contrails. Weird maybe no planes are flying today:rolleyes: (just a coincidence nothing to worry about as David says) :D Me thinks the Military is having a day off:D

[beldazar]

Spot on Kweli! Think I will give him a miss from now on, my energy does feel drained listening to him

[largejack]

Spot on Kweli! Think I will give him a miss from now on, my energy does feel drained listening to him

Yeah probably a good idea oh well Marparat looks like you are on your own :D

[shodan]

Just have to mention though. Today we have lovely CLEAR blue skies in the North East of England. Which is so different from yesterday and every day before when the sky was just full of persistant spreading contrails. Weird maybe no planes are flying today:rolleyes: (just a coincidence nothing to worry about as David says) :D Me thinks the Military is having a day off:D

Yep. Today its lovely and clear, nice change. The last few days the sky has been absolutely disgusting. I've been pointing it out to a lot of people and they are taking notice of the Black lines, Black and brown clouds and the plummeting temperature once the trails have obliterated the sky. The People are waking up, keep pointing them out to everyone :)

[lookfar]

Pro Mason too. ;) It just makes me question what this type is actually doing here? If he doen't believe in any of our theories, and thinks we're all deluded, then why hang around? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Yeah I agree, it sure does make you wonder doesn't it!:rolleyes:

[marpat]

Yep I totally agree with you honey - it should only matter to us what we personally think as individuals, what anyone else thinks is up to them & definitely not worth excerting the energy trying to change their minds.

Hehe interesting about the pilot comment though, be interesting to see how he replies to that - didn't he say he works in electronic weapons or something like that in another thread?:p Hmmm chemtrails maybe, lol??!!:D

It should only matter what you think yourselves? this means that you are not interested in ascertaining facts that go against what you want to believe. sounds like mind programming that.

[marpat]

Yeah probably a good idea oh well Marparat looks like you are on your own :D

Does that matter. Strength in number does not prove that the theories are true. If you went to a christian convention you would find many people there with strong views and would you be wrong if you were the only person who was there saying that Christ is a myth?

I don't feel the need to have a lot of people back slapping me and telling me how right I am about unproven conspiracy theories. It is the mark of an individual that they can make their own mind up, something I am not seeing among a lot of you.

The truth here is that people have not defeated what I put to them and then they have to try and recover their sense of belief by banding together to attack my OPINIONS. Anybody would think that this was a forum for believers not people with differences of opinion.

[kweli]

Does that matter. Strength in number does not prove that the theories are true. If you went to a christian convention you would find many people there with strong views and would you be wrong if you were the only person who was there saying that Christ is a myth?

I don't feel the need to have a lot of people back slapping me and telling me how right I am about unproven conspiracy theories. It is the mark of an individual that they can make their own mind up, something I am not seeing among a lot of you.

There's little wonder you're bored fella, must be lonely hanging out with folk that you have nothing in common with.

[marpat]

That may explain it then, I DONT live over an airfield and have NEVER seen such activity in the skies til now. Ive been here 42 years and see the difference.

The way you are going on, anyone would think youre one of the pilots trying to make excuses for polluting the skies!

Thi is exactly the sort of guess work that I resent. You think you are putting pieces together and come up with a conclusion, but it is completely wrong, however some people in here will begin to agree with you and then it will be accepted as fact, but it is wrong.

You may think you are on the right track but your logic has proven you wrong and to someone who is not being convinced these silly guesses are just off putting.

[lookfar]

It should only matter what you think yourselves? this means that you are not interested in ascertaining facts that go against what you want to believe. sounds like mind programming that.

Of course it's not mind programming marpat:rolleyes: Admittedly I could've worded it better, but you know what I'm saying, don't have to split hairs. Of course ascertain the facts, but if certain people are not going to change their minds when presented with given facts, then we shouldn't let that effect us as individuals - we are each free to make our own choices. How can that be mind programming, lol?!

[marpat]

You guys might not be far off the mark here.

One thing I've learned though, there's no point trying to convince or debate issues with these hard nosed skeptics, they will drain your energy and waste your time.


By drain your energy you mean question your ideas and beliefs by forcing you to actually look at what you are stating.

[marpat]

Pro Mason too. ;) It just makes me question what this type is actually doing here? If he doen't believe in any of our theories, and thinks we're all deluded, then why hang around? Doesn't make much sense to me.


Not pro-mason. I just get tired of the same one-sided view and like to mix it up a bit with other ideas and see what people like. I having nothing to gain by supporting them or rejecting them, the whole subject is personally irrelevant.

[marpat]

Just have to mention though. Today we have lovely CLEAR blue skies in the North East of England. Which is so different from yesterday and every day before when the sky was just full of persistant spreading contrails. Weird maybe no planes are flying today:rolleyes: (just a coincidence nothing to worry about as David says) :D Me thinks the Military is having a day off:D

Wierd that cos thats where I am from. How do you know there were no aircraft about. You can only see them at height if the atmospheric condition are favourable for producing contrails. Why am I telling yo that you are obviously and expert.

You have hit the nail on the head by saying I don't BELIEVE in your THEORIES. If you gave me something worth looking at then maybe I would accept them as fact. There are too many picture in here that people calim are of chemtrail aircraft but are really nothing of the sort and the more I see people grabbing at straws, desperate to get believers the more I get turned away.

My support does not come cheap, unlike a lot of peoples.

[kweli]

Look, I've already made my position perfectly clear to you, and you actually agreed lol, remember? And if not, here we go again.

I really don't feel the need to prove anything to you marpat, nothing personal, I just can't be arsed with skeptics. It's an area that I've concentrated my research on, I've always been an avid skywatcher too. I know what I believe and that's enough for me.

Don't know if you've read any of these reports? I found them to be very informative:

PDF REPORTS
This page contains military, government,and scientific reports pertaining to perpetual war,space wars,military budgets,aerial spraying,arms trading,procurement,and arms control, to list a few....

http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/MATRIX/FileSharing255.html

Didn't ask you to prove anything. I know how you feel though. I am an occultist and can't be arsed with explaining myself to people who just aren't interested. You know they will never listen to any arguement and you know that you will not deviate from something that has become part of you. If you feel that there is something to it then be all means follow it to it's conclusion. I am human and fallible so I may end up eating my own words!!!!

Those docs look juicy, I might have to get me some of them.

By drain your energy you mean question your ideas and beliefs by forcing you to actually look at what you are stating.

I Went To the Pictures Tomorrow,
I got a front seat at the back.
A lady gave me an orange,
I ate it , and gave it her back.

[marpat]

Look, I've already made my position perfectly clear to you, and you actually agreed lol, remember? And if not, here we go again.







I Went To the Pictures Tomorrow,
I got a front seat at the back.
A lady gave me an orange,
I ate it , and gave it her back.


I did agree with you back then but I changed my mind when you started posting a lot of stuff that was meant to negate my opinions.

I think we are through with this though and I have all the information and answers I need.

[kweli]

I did agree with you back then but I changed my mind when you started posting a lot of stuff that was meant to negate my opinions.

I think we are through with this though and I have all the information and answers I need.

Now you're telling porkies Marpat. Posting a lot of stuff? Don't make me larf.. I gave you three words - 'You're forgetting chemtrails.' and you call me a druggie!! lol.

But yes, you're right, we're through *sobs* I want no truck with you boyo! It's pretty clear you have an agenda. ;) Oh, unless you want some more of my nonsense rhymes? I have plenty! It's the drugs you see.. they addle my poor little programmed brain. :D

Ta ra

[marpat]

Now you're telling porkies Marpat. Posting a lot of stuff? Don't make me larf.. I gave you three words - 'You're forgetting chemtrails.' and you call me a druggie!! lol.

But yes, you're right, we're through *sobs* I want no truck with you boyo! It's pretty clear you have an agenda. ;) Oh, unless you want some more of my nonsense rhymes? I have plenty! It's the drugs you see.. they addle my poor little programmed brain. :D

Ta ra


An agenda? this again is why I don't think you are credible. A group of you start getting negative because I express my opinion and all of a sudden I have an agenda. Just shows though, if you can't get somebody to believe what you thinks, if they have their own minds that require convicing answers then you just start saying they have an agenda. This forum has pushed me further into the anti chemtrail arguement purely because of the posts above.

I am glad you realise that the drugs have not helped you. Why did I post that response? well perhaps it's because you went into a completely different thread to join a group who were throwing all sorts of negative attitudes my way. Was there any requirement for you to go into that other thread and try and join somebodies arguement by saying I was anti-chemtrail as well? there was no point except that your arguement has degraded to the point in which facts don't matter but scoring points does.

[largejack]

Wierd that cos thats where I am from. How do you know there were no aircraft about. You can only see them at height if the atmospheric condition are favourable for producing contrails. Why am I telling yo that you are obviously and expert.

You have hit the nail on the head by saying I don't BELIEVE in your THEORIES. If you gave me something worth looking at then maybe I would accept them as fact. There are too many picture in here that people calim are of chemtrail aircraft but are really nothing of the sort and the more I see people grabbing at straws, desperate to get believers the more I get turned away.

My support does not come cheap, unlike a lot of peoples.



I have seen a few airplanes, about 2 % compared to the last few days which were just doing continuous runs across the sky, and it has been a pretty similar day to yesterday and the day before weather wise. We live about 15 miles from Teesside airport and it's about the amount of planes we usually see on a normal, non chemtrail day. I know because I'm very keen on sky watching lately, in fact I have a stiff neck to prove it, lol.

My wife, who also comments here, and my children have suddenly developed chronic asthma since we started seeing chemtrails appearing around here about 2 to 3 years ago, and even myself, who have never had respiratory problems, have been suffering from a terrible unproductive cough for a whole week, and so have many of our friends, and even their doctors have been reporting a sudden increase. I know it may not be connected with chemtrails, but equally it may, and until somebody brings this issue to the average Joe Bloggs, who wouldn't see things if someone gave them a pair of binoculars, I will not rest or accept any official explanation, especially when countless complaints have gone ignored.

One last thing,now that you've seen a picture of the Red Arrows emitting red, blue and white trails, which are obviously chemicals (probably harmless) do you still believe that the picture of the plane with the red contrail is not genuine?

[kweli]

An agenda? this again is why I don't think you are credible. A group of you start getting negative because I express my opinion and all of a sudden I have an agenda. Just shows though, if you can't get somebody to believe what you thinks, if they have their own minds that require convicing answers then you just start saying they have an agenda. This forum has pushed me further into the anti chemtrail arguement purely because of the posts above.

I am glad you realise that the drugs have not helped you. Why did I post that response? well perhaps it's because you went into a completely different thread to join a group who were throwing all sorts of negative attitudes my way. Was there any requirement for you to go into that other thread and try and join somebodies arguement by saying I was anti-chemtrail as well? there was no point except that your arguement has degraded to the point in which facts don't matter but scoring points does.

"I made myself a snowman as perfect as could be
I thought I'd keep it as a pet and let it sleep with me
I made it some pyjamas and a pillow for its head
Then last night it ran away ...but first it wet the bed":(

Back on topic. It's been a lovely clear day here today, not a chemtrail in sight!

[beldazar]

pissing myself laughing at that poem! Thanks, Im gonna write that down :D

[largejack]

"I made myself a snowman as perfect as could be
I thought I'd keep it as a pet and let it sleep with me
I made it some pyjamas and a pillow for its head
Then last night it ran away ...but first it wet the bed":(

Back on topic. It's been a lovely clear day here today, not a chemtrail in sight!



Ah yeah I know, I don't care how much people debug this issue, there is definitely something going on up there, it's only a matter of finding out what exactly and why?

[marpat]

I have seen a few airplanes, about 2 % compared to the last few days which were just doing continuous runs across the sky, and it has been a pretty similar day to yesterday and the day before weather wise. We live about 15 miles from Teesside airport and it's about the amount of planes we usually see on a normal, non chemtrail day. I know because I'm very keen on sky watching lately, in fact I have a stiff neck to prove it, lol.

My wife, who also comments here, and my children have suddenly developed chronic asthma since we started seeing chemtrails appearing around here about 2 to 3 years ago, and even myself, who have never had respiratory problems, have been suffering from a terrible unproductive cough for a whole week, and so have many of our friends, and even their doctors have been reporting a sudden increase. I know it may not be connected with chemtrails, but equally it may, and until somebody brings this issue to the average Joe Bloggs, who wouldn't see things if someone gave them a pair of binoculars, I will not rest or accept any official explanation, especially when countless complaints have gone ignored.

One last thing,now that you've seen a picture of the Red Arrows emitting red, blue and white trails, which are obviously chemicals (probably harmless) do you still believe that the picture of the plane with the red contrail is not genuine?

Come on, are you telling me because the red arrows use coloured trails for their displays that this proves the vid of the jet spewing red vapour from it's engines is a genuine chemtrail? real lack of discernment there. I do believe that the jet with the supposed red chemtrail is false. The colours used by the red arrows are dyes mixed in with diesel, the aircraft having buttons that allow each colour to mix with the fuel to produce the colour.

Your kids could get asthma through many factors, such as car exhaust fumes. There are more reasonable factors than chemtrails. It is know that stress can cause asthma. I have never suffered such complaints and neither have my kids, so it is not some general thing. If the cause was something released into the atmosphere then you would think that due to aerial dispersal the illness would be common in huge areas, which it is not. You say yourself you will not accept an official explanation so really you have hoisted your flag on the side of the conspiracy theorist before you have even began looking for an answer.

[lizzy]

There's little wonder you're bored fella, must be lonely hanging out with folk that you have nothing in common with.

LOL. Too right.:D:D:D Marprat / adimon loves his superiority trip and the joke is I have;nt seen anyone else less aware here, other than the visiting freemasons, LOL

[largejack]

Come on, are you telling me because the red arrows use coloured trails for their displays that this proves the vid of the jet spewing red vapour from it's engines is a genuine chemtrail? real lack of discernment there. I do believe that the jet with the supposed red chemtrail is false. The colours used by the red arrows are dyes mixed in with diesel, the aircraft having buttons that allow each colour to mix with the fuel to produce the colour.

Your kids could get asthma through many factors, such as car exhaust fumes. There are more reasonable factors than chemtrails. It is know that stress can cause asthma. I have never suffered such complaints and neither have my kids, so it is not some general thing. If the cause was something released into the atmosphere then you would think that due to aerial dispersal the illness would be common in huge areas, which it is not. You say yourself you will not accept an official explanation so really you have hoisted your flag on the side of the conspiracy theorist before you have even began looking for an answer.

Hi Marpat

Come on, are you telling me because the red arrows use coloured trails for their displays that this proves the vid of the jet spewing red vapour from it's engines is a genuine chemtrail? Quote from Marpat

The colours used by the red arrows are dyes mixed in with diesel, the aircraft having buttons that allow each colour to mix with the fuel to produce the colour. Quote from Marpat

Thanks for replying by the way.

Come on what's the difference? Now you're starting to go into dye induced chemical diesels, so I suppose you're starting to accept that chemtrails are real then , aren't you?

[marpat]

LOL. Too right.:D:D:D Marprat / adimon loves his superiority trip and the joke is I have;nt seen anyone else less aware here, other than the visiting freemasons, LOL


Lizard birth, if you can't find anything to contribute then why don't you slither away and hijack another thread.

[beldazar]

Hey Marpat, are you Adimon? That would explain things then, thought you added me to your 'ignore' list

By the way, I read a post of yours accusing David Icke of creating carbon emissions by flying around the world. Why are you so concerned? All these planes flying around releasing errr......carbon emissions?

[marpat]

Hey Marpat, are you Adimon? That would explain things then, thought you added me to your 'ignore' list

By the way, I read a post of yours accusing David Icke of creating carbon emissions by flying around the world. Why are you so concerned? All these planes flying around releasing errr......carbon emissions?


No I am definitely not. To be honest I can't understand what Lizard birth is on about. She thinks she is onto something but the more she says that stuff the more it is clear that her mind is paranoid. She still believes it though, which is really sad. People in other threads got bored with her saying this to.

Why did he add you to the ignore list? were you sending bad PM's?

[lizzy]

Lizard birth, if you can't find anything to contribute then why don't you slither away and hijack another thread.

muppet / adimon / chris. At least I know Chemtrials EXIST:D

[marpat]

Hi Marpat

Come on, are you telling me because the red arrows use coloured trails for their displays that this proves the vid of the jet spewing red vapour from it's engines is a genuine chemtrail? Quote from Marpat

The colours used by the red arrows are dyes mixed in with diesel, the aircraft having buttons that allow each colour to mix with the fuel to produce the colour. Quote from Marpat

Thanks for replying by the way.

Come on what's the difference? Now you're starting to go into dye induced chemical diesels, so I suppose you're starting to accept that chemtrails are real then , aren't you?

Perhaps you should have responded about your kids health, how you relate the trail to that and how it is bollocks because it would affect everyone in that area. You are getting pretty desperate for ideas to believe in.

It's really pathetic that you try and equate the use of dyes by the red arrows with some chemtrail conspiracy against the public. In reality the methods of doing such things are not difficult but it is the likelihood that such things would be done on such a massive scale that is bollocks. Possibility is not equal to probability. There is a possibility that some reptoid may visit you tonight and rip your lungs out but what do you think the probability is?

[marpat]

muppet / adimon / chris. At least I know Chemtrials EXIST:D


Are you going to continue with this really childish crap Lizzy. I know you are an older woman but you behave like a teenager. Perhaps it is a reflection of your IQ.

You do not know for certain that chemtrails exist. Have you ever personally acquired a sample of the supposed chemical? have you ever actually seen an aircraft that is used for this purpose, and I don't mean crap pics from the internet showing refuelling pods.

Are you single? I think you must be as you are very tedious.

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by largejack View Post
Just have to mention though. Today we have lovely CLEAR blue skies in the North East of England.

quote: marpat

Wierd that cos thats where I am from

............................

Anyone else remember that Marpat had Lancashire written next to his Avatar when he first joined the forum under the name Marpat. Lancashire is North West opposite side of England. I know becasue that's where I am, and we get loads of chemtrails here.

[marpat]

Originally Posted by largejack View Post
Just have to mention though. Today we have lovely CLEAR blue skies in the North East of England.

quote: marpat

Wierd that cos thats where I am from

............................

Anyone else remember that Marpat had Lancashire written next to his Avatar when he first joined the forum under the name Marpat. Lancashire is North West opposite side of England. I know becasue that's where I am, and we get loads of chemtrails here.


well thats interesting because I never had Lancashire next to my avatar. Not like you to lie about thing or just make them up. How about getting back on topic.

[largejack]

Why are you having a go at Lizzie when it is me you should be targeting your forked tongue. By the way, your avatar is fucking horrible!

[lizzy]

Are you going to continue with this really childish crap Lizzy. I know you are an older woman but you behave like a teenager. Perhaps it is a reflection of your IQ.

You do not know for certain that chemtrails exist. Have you ever personally acquired a sample of the supposed chemical? have you ever actually seen an aircraft that is used for this purpose, and I don't mean crap pics from the internet showing refuelling pods.

Are you single? I think you must be as you are very tedious.

Again you show your hand. Adimon / Chris has spoken to me personally. It is adimon YOU who knows that I am older and WISER. LOL:D

[marpat]

Again you show your hand. Adimon / Chris has spoken to me personally. It is adimon YOU who knows that I am older and WISER. LOL:D

Pretty sad that you go down this route really. Oh well I gues there is no point in pressng this subject. You are certainly older but wiser, I think not.

[eternal_spirit]

Ah yeah I know, I don't care how much people debug this issue, there is definitely something going on up there, it's only a matter of finding out what exactly and why?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25117

What Chemtrails Really Are? What Chemtrails Really Are
By Carolyn Williams Palit
11-9-7

"The United States does not torture." --President George W. Bush

We are dealing with Star Wars. It involves the combination of chemtrails for creating an atmosphere that will support electromagnetic waves, ground-based, electromagnetic field oscillators called gyrotrons, and ionospheric heaters. Particulates make directed energy weapons work better. It has to do with "steady state" and particle density for plasma beam propagation.

They spray barium powders and let it photo-ionize from the ultraviolet light of the sun. Then, they make an aluminum-plasma generated by "zapping" the metal cations that are in the spray with either electromagnetics from HAARP, the gyrotron system on the ground [Ground Wave Emergency Network], or space-based lasers. The barium makes the aluminum-plasma more particulate dense. This means they can make a denser plasma than they normally could from just ionizing the atmosphere or the air.

More density [more particles] means that these particles which are colliding into each other will become more charged because there are more of them present to collide. What are they ultimately trying to do up there -- is create charged-particle, plasma beam weapons.
Chemtrails are the medium - GWEN pulse radars, the various HAARPs, and space-based lasers are the method, or more simply:

Chemtrails are the medium -- directed energy is the method.

Spray and Zap.

This system appears to be in Russia, Canada, the United States, and all of Europe. Exotic weapons can be mobile, stationary, land-based, aerial, or satellite.

It is an offensive and defensive system against EM attacks and missiles. It uses ionospheric particle shells as defense mechanisms [like a bug-zapper shell]* against missiles and EM attacks. That means they spray and then pump up the spray with electromagnetics. When these shells are created using the oscillating, electromagnetic, gyrotron stations, it "excludes" and displaces the background magnetic field. These shells can be layered one above another in a canopy fashion for extra protection from missiles. The chemtrail sprays have various elements in them like carbon which can used to absorb microwaves. Some of these sprays have metal flakes in them that make aerial craft invisible to radar. Spoofer sprays. Sprays like these can be used to create colorful, magnetized plasmas to cloak fighter jets.

There are satellite weapons involved. Activists are using meters and are getting readings of microwaves, x-rays, and some other kind of emission that they are not sure of, maybe a low-intensity laser.

They are also photographing gas plasma generation due to the heating of chemtrails by electromagnetics. The technical names for vertical and horizontal plasma columns are columnar focal lenses and horizontal drift plasma antennas. Various size of gas plasma orbs are associated with this technology. These orbs can be used as transmitters and receivers because they have great, refractory and optical properties. They also are capable of transmitting digital or analog sound. Barium, in fact, is very refractive -- more refractive than glass.

What does that mean? Someone or someones are very involved in unconstitutional, domestic spying and the entrained plasma orbs carried on electromagnetic beams can be used for mind control programming. The satellites can be programmed to track and monitor various frequencies on different parts of your body. These electromagnetic beams carrying the gas plasma orbs stick due magnetic polarity and frequency mapping and tracking to people's eyes, ears, temples, and private parts. A beam with entrained orbs carries pictures in each orb just like the different frames in a movie. It is a particle beam that is also a frequency weapon.

The satellites download holographic mind control movies, pictures, sounds, and sensations to people through this technology. The Air Force has stated in "Air Force 2025" that their goal is to develop virtual and augmented reality mind control. Depending on the how the computer is programmed or depending on the mood or intent of the person interfacing with the technology, you can be probed, bothered, gaslighted, frightened, manipulated, electronically raped, or tortured. It scans your brain frequencies and deciphers your thoughts. The satellites track you by mapping your bioenergetic signature [body biometrics] and constantly scanning an area to find you.

We are the lab rats for this technology and something is very wrong in the military or intelligence branches somewhere. Because developmental projects in government and military are often so compartmentalized, I suppose someone could be using and developing this technology secretly and without authorization. Then again, behavioral and mind control programs were an authorized policy under MKULTRA. Our country has a history of experimenting on its citizens. We are talking about satellite charged-particle frequency weapons attacking a person 24 hours a day. Psychotronic weapons are considered weapons of mass destruction by the U.N.

"HAARPs" can create earthquakes and can also x-ray the earth to find underground military bases, gold, or oil reserves. These ionospheric heaters can also operate as an over-the-horizon or under-the-ocean communications system. This system can control the weather or create disasters. Taken together with the aurora keyhole through-your-roof satellite surveillance system, Echelon electronic computer/phone sweeps, plasma-cloaked DOD Drug War helicopters and stealths, implants, and cameras on the street, it constitutes one, big global and space control grid.

These weapons involve beams. Two beams overlapped will couple into a particle-ion beam that will bounce off of a remote target and send a holographic image back to the satellite for remote spying operations. When you cross two strong beams, you can supposedly* create scalar energies. These energies can be used as untraceable weapons for nuclear size explosions or for defense. These crossed-energies can be used to cause a person's physical electrical system to fail or with a lower frequency, administer a kind of remote electro-shock. Visualize touching a positive and negative electric cable to each other on top of your head. Scalar energies can be utilized in hand-held military guns and on tanks. They can dud-out electronics or cause large, electrical blackouts. Scalar energies are practically impossible to shield against. You need lead, ceramics, and a deep underground facility to not be affected by these weapons. Or, you need to be up and above the field of battle.

People who are working on these issues hear tones and hums. If you hear persistent tones and static; have body vibrations, burning sensations, "bangs" to the head, neurological damage, or immune system damage; are hearing electronic voices or hearing the sound of a plasma; suffering from pains deep in your organs or constant headaches; or experiencing other anomalous activity then you may be being targeted by directed energy, mind control weapons. These weapons could be on helicopters, jets, stealth fighters, or on satellites. Directed energy beams and electromagnetic waves can be sent to you via hand-held devices or piggy-backed in on cell phone and satellite towers.

Is it possible that someone(s) are very afraid of coming famines and riots due to the ongoing, man-induced failure of the ecological system, and they are saturating the earth with chemtrails for large- scale, gas plasma mind control? Is this the last grasp for the world's resources? Or, are they just control freaks and money mongers? Someone would like to get to that oil under the melting [due to chemtrail-trapped EM heat] Artic. And, I guess the Third World is not a part of this system. I don't think that the developed nations are going to let them in on this either.

Any country that joins this NATO system will become mind-controlled and diseased due to the associated, intense, oscillating, electromagnetic fields, electromagnetic soup, and the poisonous, toxic chemtrails. Our DNA will break. We risk the earth's spin and tilt becoming messed up due to mucking around with the magnetic fields through this military technology. Maybe, it is already messed up.

It constitutes U.S. global domination via NATO and the erosion of civil rights. According to Charlotte Iserbyt and Al Martin, there are ex-KGB and ex-STASI advising our new Office of Total Information Awareness. They are the ones creating our new internal passports [national ID]. And under "The Treaty on Open Skies," we have overflights by Russian and German military. Who exactly is flying those plasma-cloaked craft that are seen all over this country and mistaken for UFOs by people who do not know about this aerial deception technology? Obviously, we have another "Project Paperclip" in the making. We can add the new thugs to the 2,000 Iraqi brought into country by Daddy Bush who are now living in Nebraska.

The elitist corporate government is going to hold the rest of us hostage with directed energy weapons in space, if the Policy for a New American Century group - PNAC - Bush and cronie think tank has their way, along with directed energy attacks against any country or citizen that they decide they do not like. These weapons can create climate war, weather war, mind war, cyber war, disease war, disaster war, and undetectable war. Taken together they can create economic war.

If this system is not stopped, it will kill billions due to aluminum and barium poisoning. It will kill billions due to crop failures and world-wide famine. It will cause heart attacks, strokes, and cancers. It will cause stillbirths, miscarriages, and infertility. The chemtrail sprays often have fungi, bacteria, viruses, dessicated red blood cells, crystalline substances, carbon, metal cations, lithium, other chemicals, heavy metals, and God knows what - probably smart dust, or nanocrap. Years of biowarfare testing on the American public is no big secret anymore. Spraying germs in the sky where they mutate due to the ultra-violet light -- brillant plan, my man. Are we acceptable losses or is this by design?

I know that many of the major players have big investments in pharmaceutical companies, GM seeds [seeds that can grow in an electromagnetic soup], weapons and directed energy development contracts, oil contracts, genetic research, and mind control research. Some of these people have had a familial history of financial and policy support for population control, eugenics, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Pinochet, Hussein, and various other dictators. Some of the major players were the masterminds of the death squads in Central and South America. They stand to make a big profit on our death and disease. Just take a look at Rumsfield and Tamiflu.

I assume that they know the dangers of this system and that they take care to stay in their shielded, air-filtered offices, homes, bases, and cars. I assume they take chelating substances to remove the barium and aluminum from their bodies and minds. If not, then they really do not understand the far-ranging implications of this destructive system. Congress may not understand just what a terrible weapons system and control grid they are funding.

As I understand it, Tesla towers attached to deep-earth, free-energy taps are to be created over the 10-12 magnetic poles and the GWEN system phased-out. Has this already been done? This should allow total control of the earth through giant, Tesla death ray-guns. This natural, electromagnetic earth was not meant to be an un-natural dynamo to power man's weapons or his utility companies.

Over-unity systems [Tesla devices]* are as of yet, another unexplored and probably not understood man-made energy. We should be very suspect of free energy. As we can see, the forms of man-made energy that have been created and used in the past have not been good for this planet. Maybe it is time to reconsider the options available to us through the development of crops for fuel, wind, solar, and water power. We need world-wide, different, more holistic, renewable, energy programs.

Is there any good news? Yes. There has been tons of particulate dumping through the spray operations for 8 years over the Americas, Europe, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, and from what I can find out, over Russia. And, what goes around blows around, right? So, these substances are probably actually global. It sure makes a ton of sense to spray poisonous elements in 24 NATO countries and let the substances be carried around the earth on the jet streams to poison yourself, your enemies, and all neutral and non-combatent countries. Talk about making more enemies.

The water, air, and soil of all of these countries is so saturated with metal cations that these weapons freaks should be able to zap and mind f--k each other quite well now and as often as they wish. Once they have clobbered each other with light-saber beams for a few years and razed and scorched sections of the earth, they may start to realize that this foreign policy will lead to a defective human race and a rotten economy.

Do you think they will have knocked some sense into each other by then and will decide that non-proliferation and arms reduction is the more civilized and mature direction to take in world affairs? I doubt it, cause only idiots would have developed horrific, planet-killer weapons like these. But, I'll bet the rest of the planet will finally rise up and tell these juvenile delinquents to quit playing with those rayguns right this second.

After further thought on Bearden + -- a big over-unity and free energy proponent of Tesla technology that makes energy off of boiling the ionosphere or stealing electricity from the mis-named "vacumn" called Life, I have decided that Bearden is telling us some, if not most, of the truth. Same for Eastlund.

http://www.rense.com/general79/chem.htm

[lizzy]

Pretty sad that you go down this route really. Oh well I gues there is no point in pressng this subject. You are certainly older but wiser, I think not.

LOL, intuitive enough to spot you adimon.:D

and if you can't get your head around chemtrials , you are pretty dumb. But we already knew that.

[limelady]

Come on guys and gals......lets not degrade lookfar's thread....its been
bubbling along quite nicely till now. :)

[largejack]

It's bubbling along even nicer now, isn't it?

[kweli]

Why are you having a go at Lizzie when it is me you should be targeting your forked tongue. By the way, your avatar is fucking horrible!

Because he's a mean and nasty person with an agenda! You know what I'm talking about here Marpat. :( The disgusting PM's you've been sending? I was all set to ignore you on this thread, but this kind of bullying should be exposed.

Can you answer me a question, honestly? Do you have more than one ID on this forum?

[marpat]

Because he's a mean and nasty person with an agenda! You know what I'm talking about here Marpat. :( The disgusting PM's you've been sending? I was all set to ignore you on this thread, but this kind of bullying should be exposed.

Can you answer me a question, honestly? Do you have more than one ID on this forum?


I will state this for one last time. I do not have any other ID's on this forum. Why would I do that, what purpose would it serve? I guess Lizzy has argues with some people in the past who have view similar to mine and has mistakenly deduced there is one person behind those views.

Yes, I can be mean and nasty but why should I be civil and courteous with people who do nothing but throw offensive remarks at me. I am human and get annoyed when people are offensive to that leve. Look at the posts of Lizzy and ES and you will find that they are very negatively biased and if you disagree with them they get nasty, and that is when I give them some back. I don't know of any post of mine in which Lizzy has not used as a personal attack.

Lets me get this straight, I do not have an agenda. Having my own strong views does not make an agenda. We all have different experiences of life so you can't possibly expect agreement so easily.

I suppose you haven't seen the nasty PM I got from ES. I have set him and Lizzy to ignore now. Feel free to set me to ignore if you desire. I have no intention of sending you any bad PM's. We may have disagreed but you have never been so nasty to the point which I would consider it an attack on my character, unlike some I have mentioned before. The last time I said something nasty to Lizzy was in response to a rather cutting post by her, but then I apologised for my reaction, something which she never does. She is nasty and cruel and never steps back and look at what she says.

You can believe Lizzy if you want about the ID things but it is boring a lot of people in other threads. Whenever she responds to any of my posts it is always the same. I don't know if you have noticed but as soone as Lizzy and ES got nasty in that thread about freemasons that it was deleted. This has happened in a few threads that they got involved in.

[eternal_spirit]

You cast first stone Marpat. Let's carry this on on another thread, seems unfair to spoil this thread with drivel.

edit this seems like a good place imo

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=366213&postcount=71

[marpat]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25117

What Chemtrails Really Are? What Chemtrails Really Are
By Carolyn Williams Palit
11-9-7

"The United States does not torture." --President George W. Bush

We are dealing with Star Wars. It involves the combination of chemtrails for creating an atmosphere that will support electromagnetic waves, ground-based, electromagnetic field oscillators called gyrotrons, and ionospheric heaters. Particulates make directed energy weapons work better. It has to do with "steady state" and particle density for plasma beam propagation.

They spray barium powders and let it photo-ionize from the ultraviolet light of the sun. Then, they make an aluminum-plasma generated by "zapping" the metal cations that are in the spray with either electromagnetics from HAARP, the gyrotron system on the ground [Ground Wave Emergency Network], or space-based lasers. The barium makes the aluminum-plasma more particulate dense. This means they can make a denser plasma than they normally could from just ionizing the atmosphere or the air.

More density [more particles] means that these particles which are colliding into each other will become more charged because there are more of them present to collide. What are they ultimately trying to do up there -- is create charged-particle, plasma beam weapons.
Chemtrails are the medium - GWEN pulse radars, the various HAARPs, and space-based lasers are the method, or more simply:

Chemtrails are the medium -- directed energy is the method.

Spray and Zap.

This system appears to be in Russia, Canada, the United States, and all of Europe. Exotic weapons can be mobile, stationary, land-based, aerial, or satellite.

It is an offensive and defensive system against EM attacks and missiles. It uses ionospheric particle shells as defense mechanisms [like a bug-zapper shell]* against missiles and EM attacks. That means they spray and then pump up the spray with electromagnetics. When these shells are created using the oscillating, electromagnetic, gyrotron stations, it "excludes" and displaces the background magnetic field. These shells can be layered one above another in a canopy fashion for extra protection from missiles. The chemtrail sprays have various elements in them like carbon which can used to absorb microwaves. Some of these sprays have metal flakes in them that make aerial craft invisible to radar. Spoofer sprays. Sprays like these can be used to create colorful, magnetized plasmas to cloak fighter jets.

There are satellite weapons involved. Activists are using meters and are getting readings of microwaves, x-rays, and some other kind of emission that they are not sure of, maybe a low-intensity laser.

They are also photographing gas plasma generation due to the heating of chemtrails by electromagnetics. The technical names for vertical and horizontal plasma columns are columnar focal lenses and horizontal drift plasma antennas. Various size of gas plasma orbs are associated with this technology. These orbs can be used as transmitters and receivers because they have great, refractory and optical properties. They also are capable of transmitting digital or analog sound. Barium, in fact, is very refractive -- more refractive than glass.

What does that mean? Someone or someones are very involved in unconstitutional, domestic spying and the entrained plasma orbs carried on electromagnetic beams can be used for mind control programming. The satellites can be programmed to track and monitor various frequencies on different parts of your body. These electromagnetic beams carrying the gas plasma orbs stick due magnetic polarity and frequency mapping and tracking to people's eyes, ears, temples, and private parts. A beam with entrained orbs carries pictures in each orb just like the different frames in a movie. It is a particle beam that is also a frequency weapon.

The satellites download holographic mind control movies, pictures, sounds, and sensations to people through this technology. The Air Force has stated in "Air Force 2025" that their goal is to develop virtual and augmented reality mind control. Depending on the how the computer is programmed or depending on the mood or intent of the person interfacing with the technology, you can be probed, bothered, gaslighted, frightened, manipulated, electronically raped, or tortured. It scans your brain frequencies and deciphers your thoughts. The satellites track you by mapping your bioenergetic signature and constantly scanning an area to find you.

We are the lab rats for this technology and something is very wrong in the military or intelligence branches somewhere. Because developmental projects in government and military are often so compartmentalized, I suppose someone could be using and developing this technology secretly and without authorization. Then again, behavioral and mind control programs were an authorized policy under MKULTRA. Our country has a history of experimenting on its citizens. We are talking about satellite charged-particle frequency weapons attacking a person 24 hours a day. Psychotronic weapons are considered weapons of mass destruction by the U.N.

"HAARPs" can create earthquakes and can also x-ray the earth to find underground military bases, gold, or oil reserves. These ionospheric heaters can also operate as an over-the-horizon or under-the-ocean communications system. This system can control the weather or create disasters. Taken together with the aurora keyhole through-your-roof satellite surveillance system, Echelon electronic computer/phone sweeps, plasma-cloaked DOD Drug War helicopters and stealths, implants, and cameras on the street, it constitutes one, big global and space control grid.

These weapons involve beams. Two beams overlapped will couple into a particle-ion beam that will bounce off of a remote target and send a holographic image back to the satellite for remote spying operations. When you cross two strong beams, you can supposedly* create scalar energies. These energies can be used as untraceable weapons for nuclear size explosions or for defense. These crossed-energies can be used to cause a person's physical electrical system to fail or with a lower frequency, administer a kind of remote electro-shock. Visualize touching a positive and negative electric cable to each other on top of your head. Scalar energies can be utilized in hand-held military guns and on tanks. They can dud-out electronics or cause large, electrical blackouts. Scalar energies are practically impossible to shield against. You need lead, ceramics, and a deep underground facility to not be affected by these weapons. Or, you need to be up and above the field of battle.

People who are working on these issues hear tones and hums. If you hear persistent tones and static; have body vibrations, burning sensations, "bangs" to the head, neurological damage, or immune system damage; are hearing electronic voices or hearing the sound of a plasma; suffering from pains deep in your organs or constant headaches; or experiencing other anomalous activity then you may be being targeted by directed energy, mind control weapons. These weapons could be on helicopters, jets, stealth fighters, or on satellites. Directed energy beams and electromagnetic waves can be sent to you via hand-held devices or piggy-backed in on cell phone and satellite towers.

Is it possible that someone(s) are very afraid of coming famines and riots due to the ongoing, man-induced failure of the ecological system, and they are saturating the earth with chemtrails for large- scale, gas plasma mind control? Is this the last grasp for the world's resources? Or, are they just control freaks and money mongers? Someone would like to get to that oil under the melting [due to chemtrail-trapped EM heat] Artic. And, I guess the Third World is not a part of this system. I don't think that the developed nations are going to let them in on this either.

Any country that joins this NATO system will become mind-controlled and diseased due to the associated, intense, oscillating, electromagnetic fields, electromagnetic soup, and the poisonous, toxic chemtrails. Our DNA will break. We risk the earth's spin and tilt becoming messed up due to mucking around with the magnetic fields through this military technology. Maybe, it is already messed up.

It constitutes U.S. global domination via NATO and the erosion of civil rights. According to Charlotte Iserbyt and Al Martin, there are ex-KGB and ex-STASI advising our new Office of Total Information Awareness. They are the ones creating our new internal passports [national ID]. And under "The Treaty on Open Skies," we have overflights by Russian and German military. Who exactly is flying those plasma-cloaked craft that are seen all over this country and mistaken for UFOs by people who do not know about this aerial deception technology? Obviously, we have another "Project Paperclip" in the making. We can add the new thugs to the 2,000 Iraqi brought into country by Daddy Bush who are now living in Nebraska.

The elitist corporate government is going to hold the rest of us hostage with directed energy weapons in space, if the Policy for a New American Century group - PNAC - Bush and cronie think tank has their way, along with directed energy attacks against any country or citizen that they decide they do not like. These weapons can create climate war, weather war, mind war, cyber war, disease war, disaster war, and undetectable war. Taken together they can create economic war.

[B]If this system is not stopped, it will kill billions due to aluminum and barium poisoning. It will kill billions due to crop failures and world-wide famine. It will cause heart attacks, strokes, and cancers. It will cause stillbirths, miscarriages, and infertility. The chemtrail sprays often have fungi, bacteria, viruses, dessicated red blood cells, crystalline substances, carbon, metal cations, lithium, other chemicals, heavy metals, and God knows what - probably smart dust, or nanocrap. Years of biowarfare testing on the American public is no big secret anymore. Spraying germs in the sky where they mutate due to the ultra-violet light -- brillant plan, my man. Are we acceptable losses or is this by design?

I know that many of the major players have big investments in pharmaceutical companies, GM seeds [seeds that can grow in an electromagnetic soup], weapons and directed energy development contracts, oil contracts, genetic research, and mind control research. Some of these people have had a familial history of financial and policy support for population control, eugenics, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Pinochet, Hussein, and various other dictators. Some of the major players were the masterminds of the death squads in Central and South America. They stand to make a big profit on our death and disease. Just take a look at Rumsfield and Tamiflu.

I assume that they know the dangers of this system and that they take care to stay in their shielded, air-filtered offices, homes, bases, and cars. I assume they take chelating substances to remove the barium and aluminum from their bodies and minds. If not, then they really do not understand the far-ranging implications of this destructive system. Congress may not understand just what a terrible weapons system and control grid they are funding.

As I understand it, Tesla towers attached to deep-earth, free-energy taps are to be created over the 10-12 magnetic poles and the GWEN system phased-out. Has this already been done? This should allow total control of the earth through giant, Tesla death ray-guns. This natural, electromagnetic earth was not meant to be an un-natural dynamo to power man's weapons or his utility companies.

Over-unity systems [Tesla devices]* are as of yet, another unexplored and probably not understood man-made energy. We should be very suspect of free energy. As we can see, the forms of man-made energy that have been created and used in the past have not been good for this planet. Maybe it is time to reconsider the options available to us through the development of crops for fuel, wind, solar, and water power. We need world-wide, different, more holistic, renewable, energy programs.

Is there any good news? Yes. There has been tons of particulate dumping through the spray operations for 8 years over the Americas, Europe, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, and from what I can find out, over Russia. And, what goes around blows around, right? So, these substances are probably actually global. It sure makes a ton of sense to spray poisonous elements in 24 NATO countries and let the substances be carried around the earth on the jet streams to poison yourself, your enemies, and all neutral and non-combatent countries. Talk about making more enemies.

The water, air, and soil of all of these countries is so saturated with metal cations that these weapons freaks should be able to zap and mind f--k each other quite well now and as often as they wish. Once they have clobbered each other with light-saber beams for a few years and razed and scorched sections of the earth, they may start to realize that this foreign policy will lead to a defective human race and a rotten economy.

Do you think they will have knocked some sense into each other by then and will decide that non-proliferation and arms reduction is the more civilized and mature direction to take in world affairs? I doubt it, cause only idiots would have developed horrific, planet-killer weapons like these. But, I'll bet the rest of the planet will finally rise up and tell these juvenile delinquents to quit playing with those rayguns right this second.

After further thought on Bearden + -- a big over-unity and free energy proponent of Tesla technology that makes energy off of boiling the ionosphere or stealing electricity from the mis-named "vacumn" called Life, I have decided that Bearden is telling us some, if not most, of the truth. Same for Eastlund.

http://www.rense.com/general79/chem.htm


This post is really poor. Just another bad cut and past. If billions get killed due to poisoning then who will be left. The world population is estimated at 6.5 billion so I guess nearly the whole world will be dead.

Activists are using meters to get readings what they do not know. That really proves nothing. There are many sources of radiation, etc so to state that they are getting reading s from satellites is really vague and probably misleading

Where has the air force stated this, and in what context. You don't think that they mean mean mind control of aircraft, such as wearing a helmet that can pick up brain signals and fly an aircraft? I think this is far more feasible than what is being suggested in this post.

This stuff is really nothing more than SCI-FI. It would be like stating that we have the technology to get into space but as we are kept in the dark that the military really have the ability to travel to other distant planets.

[marpat]

You cast first stone Marpat. Let's carry this on on another thread, seems unfair to spoil this thread with drivel.

What is your problem. Why is it that when you argue with somebody it always goes off topic and descends into a slagging match? I think you actually enjoy it, I think you get a buzz out of trying to bait people into a negative arguement.

I liked your PM about me being a disgusting Talmudic Jew.

[kweli]

I will state this for one last time. I do not have any other ID's on this forum. Why would I do that, what purpose would it serve? I guess Lizzy has argues with some people in the past who have view similar to mine and has mistakenly deduced there is one person behind those views.

Yes, I can be mean and nasty but why should I be civil and courteous with people who do nothing but throw offensive remarks at me. I am human and get annoyed when people are offensive to that leve. Look at the posts of Lizzy and ES and you will find that they are very negatively biased and if you disagree with them they get nasty, and that is when I give them some back. I don't know of any post of mine in which Lizzy has not used as a personal attack.

Lets me get this straight, I do not have an agenda. Having my own strong views does not make an agenda. We all have different experiences of life so you can't possibly expect agreement so easily.

I suppose you haven't seen the nasty PM I got from ES. I have set him and Lizzy to ignore now. Feel free to set me to ignore if you desire. I have no intention of sending you any bad PM's. We may have disagreed but you have never been so nasty to the point which I would consider it an attack on my character, unlike some I have mentioned before. The last time I said something nasty to Lizzy was in response to a rather cutting post by her, but then I apologised for my reaction, something which she never does. She is nasty and cruel and never steps back and look at what she says.

You can believe Lizzy if you want about the ID things but it is boring a lot of people in other threads. Whenever she responds to any of my posts it is always the same. I don't know if you have noticed but as soone as Lizzy and ES got nasty in that thread about freemasons that it was deleted. This has happened in a few threads that they got involved in.

No but I've seen the vile message you sent lizzy, and I witnessed your constant baiting of ES in the rantroom. You say you're married with kids? Man they must be so proud of you, What a shining example you are! And you readily admit, I've never attacked your character, so why attack mine? Why call me a druggie? You know nothing about me or my life, or do you?

And you've never really answered the question, of why you're here? Is it to debunk? What aspects (if any), of 'the agenda' do you believe in?

Anyway.. the last thing I want to do is get this thread ranted, so let's at least try to keep things civil hey?

[kweli]

You cast first stone Marpat. Let's carry this on on another thread, seems unfair to spoil this thread with drivel.

Totally agree.

[eternal_spirit]

It's on topic and possible theories about what chemtrails are about.

The elite use chelating therapy which expells the contents/chemicals etc in the trails so they are immune to them. They have access to hidden sciences or the best treatment/antidotes only they have access too

[marpat]

No but I've seen the vile message you sent lizzy, and I witnessed your constant baiting of ES in the rantroom. You say you're married with kids? Man they must be so proud of you, What a shining example you are! And you readily admit, I've never attacked your character, so why attack mine? Why call me a druggie? You know nothing about me or my life, or do you?

And you've never really answered the question, of why you're here? Is it to debunk? What aspects (if any), of 'the agenda' do you believe in?

Anyway.. the last thing I want to do is get this thread ranted, so let's at least try to keep things civil hey?

Why should I have to justify myself here? it seems that you have already made up your mind, which is your right. I don't believe in agendas, I have read up on them and find some of them worth looking in to but I will not put anything down to belief. Why debunk such things? I just want to get good, solid answers.

Did they CC you in on their PM's to me? Lizzy does not deserve my respect or tolerance as whenever she responds to any of my posts it's always an attack. It is never a case of just disagreeing with what I say and giving a reason, just attacks. Did we not have a debate going on in here before she and ES decided to make it personal? and then she decides to misldead people about ID's. You act like she is some pillar of the community even though the writing is on the wall. I am actually going to PM Adimon and ask him what the hell all this is about. I am dying to know what was said to her to make such wierd judgements.

I find the whole reptilian thing fascinating, but some of the other stuff is just like SCI-FI. I do like some of the stuff on monuments and places of power as well.

I will be as civil as people are to me. Can we not debate robustly without it ending up people trying to call me a debunker and then going in for straight character assasination?

As Lizzy and ES are so convinced about me being two other people perhaps they can gives us all the proof that lead them up to this monumental non-discovery. I would just love to see the reasoning behind the accusation. Did Lizzy send the message to all her friends? such a martyr.

[marpat]

It's on topic and possible theories about what chemtrails are about.

The elite use chelating therapy which expells the contents/chemicals etc in the trails so they are immune to them. They have access to hidden sciences or the best treatment/antidotes only they have access too

So they are theories, good at least we know we are not stating facts here. Why would they use chemicals on the public though? to my mind the public are needed to work to the agenda otherwise if they killed all the workers their own standard of living would alter. There would be less people to use for their causes. It would be like having a factory with lots of managers but a few workers, the reuslt would be bad output and then when the managers become useless they are discarded and work somewhere else.

Don't you think that there may be experiments aimed at creating rain clouds with the intent of being able to produce such clouds during dry periods or to water a very dry, barren place and make it habitable?

If they poison the world with stuff then it will come back to them. Antidotes are not all they are meant to be. I turned down the anthrax jab as I thought that the risk was not worth it. What if they poison the planets and animals that they require for food? then they will need to vaccinate the animals and introduce more crap into their own systems. These people live in the world and cannot escape from being dependant on it so to poison it is to risk their own futures.

[kweli]

So they are theories, good at least we know we are not stating facts here. Why would they use chemicals on the public though? to my mind the public are needed to work to the agenda otherwise if they killed all the workers their own standard of living would alter. There would be less people to use for their causes. It would be like having a factory with lots of managers but a few workers, the reuslt would be bad output and then when the managers become useless they are discarded and work somewhere else.

Don't you think that there may be experiments aimed at creating rain clouds with the intent of being able to produce such clouds during dry periods or to water a very dry, barren place and make it habitable?

If they poison the world with stuff then it will come back to them. Antidotes are not all they are meant to be. I turned down the anthrax jab as I thought that the risk was not worth it. What if they poison the planets and animals that they require for food? then they will need to vaccinate the animals and introduce more crap into their own systems. These people live in the world and cannot escape from being dependant on it so to poison it is to risk their own futures.

Where have you been? Ok, I don't watch TV, I never buy a Newspaper, but bloody hell! You'd have to be deaf, blind, dumb.. in a bloody coma, to not realise there's a depopulation agenda! It's all over the place man; many on this forum have even fallen for the 'over - population' bullshit!

And, the next point highlighted: Of course they're conducting experiments, we know that. They already have the capacity to control the weather - they've admitted it! But you seriously think they're going to put this power and knowledge to good use!? Jeez, wake up soldier boy!

[marpat]

Where have you been? Ok, I don't watch TV, I never buy a Newspaper, but bloody hell! You'd have to be deaf, blind, dumb.. in a bloody coma, to not realise there's a depopulation agenda! It's all over the place man; many on this forum have even fallen for the 'over - population' bullshit!

And, the next point highlighted: Of course they're conducting experiments, we know that. They already have the capacity to control the weather - they've admitted it! But you seriously think they're going to put this power and knowledge to good use!? Jeez, wake up soldier boy!

No need to be rude. It is odd that you go on about a depopulation agenda when in fact the population is rising. If that is the case then state how this is done, the chemicals being used, and how they target the population. Just spraying everywhere is far too random. I know something about chemical delivery and how it can be done but to suggest that all of these flights are just for depopulation sounds ridiculous. Can you also state how the elite are protected from such chemical attacks, giving some sort of proof, or even an educated theory, and not just a guess.

Why is it when people ask legitimate question that they are told to wake up? it makes it look like you don't really have answers and are trying to deflect this fact by trying to assert that you know something that I don't. Until you can prove that you posses such knowledge then you are just as asleep as I am, apparently. If you have all of this knowledge about mass murder and the evidence to back it up what are you doing with it? have you organsied any mass protests?

Where have they admitted the capacity to control the weather? I mean is there an actual government document that clearly states that they have technology that can do this? I would have thought that this is untrue because weather is such a dynamic, fluid factor goverend by so many forces that it would seem a hugely complex thing to control with mere gadgets. Please provide me with the information. Thanks

[steevo]

No need to be rude. It is odd that you go on about a depopulation agenda when in fact the population is rising. If that is the case then state how this is done, the chemicals being used, and how they target the population. Just spraying everywhere is far too random. I know something about chemical delivery and how it can be done but to suggest that all of these flights are just for depopulation sounds ridiculous. Can you also state how the elite are protected from such chemical attacks, giving some sort of proof, or even an educated theory, and not just a guess.

Why is it when people ask legitimate question that they are told to wake up? it makes it look like you don't really have answers and are trying to deflect this fact by trying to assert that you know something that I don't. Until you can prove that you posses such knowledge then you are just as asleep as I am, apparently. If you have all of this knowledge about mass murder and the evidence to back it up what are you doing with it? have you organsied any mass protests?

Where have they admitted the capacity to control the weather? I mean is there an actual government document that clearly states that they have technology that can do this? I would have thought that this is untrue because weather is such a dynamic, fluid factor goverend by so many forces that it would seem a hugely complex thing to control with mere gadgets. Please provide me with the information. Thanks

They DO spray us and yes it APPEARS random but who knows ? Maybe they are trying to destroy agriculture, bees etc Maybe they wish to destroy the whole planet and start over ?

Here is an example of how they RANDOMLY sprayed a city in the 60s. You have already seen this link Marpat but you ignore it. You are just here TO WASTE PEOPLE'S TIME AND NOTHING ELSE.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4507036.stm

The funny thing is that you Marpat (and your family and friends if you have any of the latter), are getting sprayed too and you are defending it :D I doubt that YOUR DNA is gonna protect you, you are in their sights too pal :eek::p

[marpat]

They DO spray us and yes it APPEARS random but who knows ? Maybe they are trying to destroy agriculture, bees etc Maybe they wish to destroy the whole planet and start over ?

Here is an example of how they RANDOMLY sprayed a city in the 60s. You have already seen this link Marpat but you ignore it. You are just here TO WASTE PEOPLE'S TIME AND NOTHING ELSE.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4507036.stm

The funny thing is that you Marpat (and your family and friends if you have any of the latter), are getting sprayed too and you are defending it :D I doubt that YOUR DNA is gonna protect you, you are in their sights too pal :eek::p

Is that so? to me that sounds like a load of fear inspired propoganda.

Trying to say I wish to waste people time means you don't have the goods to prove me wrong. I have seen the vids and they are nothing special. I am aware that experiments have been carried out in the past but what their purpose was and what effect they had I don't know and this does not prove that the same thing is happening now.

Trying to scare me by saying I am in their sights does not work, I am not the type of person to hide in fear when somebody comes up with something like that. I see no evidence in the skies above me to indicate any truth in the chemtrail theory, there are no mysterious illness' popping up and the countryside does not appear to be getting poisoned. Also, as I am a military person don't you think that it would be an own goal for them to spray people so randomly who are supposed to be the bricks in their wall? why would they want their own armed forces to become ill? many bases are located near major cities so they could not target a city and leave the bases alone.

Bit of an idea here. Back in the 60's when aircraft did spray people do you not think that it may possible an experiment in mass decontamination should chemical or nuclear weapons be used during the cold war. The reason why it would have been kept secret could easily have been due to not wanting the Russians to know what counter measures they were developing in the event of a strike.

Just looked at the link and it is not suprising. There was a time when people thought asbestos was safe until people started dying from it, the same with cadmium. I work on equipment that contains cadmium so I am no stranger to that. The increase in those cancers could easily be due to population increase or just a flare up in the statistics. Thats the thing with stats, they fluctuate so increases and decreases are not unusual. You actually have to inhale the stuff to suffer from it and it could even be that the people with those cancers inhaled cadmium in work areas or in completely unrelated condition. Unless you can prove that the actual tests caused the cancer then it is speculation. There are just so many things that cadmium was used in, things like heat sinks, etc.

Why the personal attack? I have plenty of friends as I do have quite a sociable nature.

[eternal_spirit]

quote: marpat

Is that so? to me that sounds like a load of fear inspired propoganda.

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To achieve what exactly why do you think anyone would lie about chemtrails?

[eternal_spirit]

quote: marpat

Bit of an idea here. Back in the 60's when aircraft did spray people do you not think that it may possible an experiment in mass decontamination should chemical or nuclear weapons be used during the cold war

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If this was so, why don't they come clean and say this?

[eternal_spirit]

quote: marpat

Can you also state how the elite are protected from such chemical attacks, giving some sort of proof, or even an educated theory, and not just a guess.

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The elite use chelating therapy which expells the contents/chemicals etc in the trails so they are immune to them. They have access to hidden sciences or the best treatment/antidotes only they have access too. By law when they create biological/chemical weapons they also have to create an antidote.

The Elite even take their own blood supply when they travel ( incase something happens and they need a blood transfusion ) They won't use donated blood from the masses, because they know that's contaminated with vacciantions, chemicals from food etc.

They don't get vaccinated or eat the same food as we do, why do you tink the likes of Prince Charles is obsessed with organic farming, they have their own farms where they breed their own cattle ( chemicals, growth hormone free etc...real organic produce )

[eternal_spirit]

Alan: What they did in fact was to try and ban DDT and they still show these same clips in science shows for children today. They show you always these birds, generally seagulls giving birth to these jelly-like type eggs where the eggshell was almost non-existent and this was the main proof that DDT was harmful to nature, but what they didn't tell the public, although the information is available on request, is that they fed these captive seagulls nothing but DDT! Obviously Africa has been slated for a long time for massive depopulation. However, a colleague of Salk who did the polio vaccine was Joseph Gallo and he's the character who got the main contract to create the AIDS disease. They're all well connected. If you look at Frederick Banting who's held up as a hero in history for developing, amongst other things, insulin for diabetes control; he came from Alliston, Ontario, Canada but this man was the top bacteriologist for germ warfare during World War II. When you read his memoirs and what he was developing, he was developing diseases which would wipe out everybody with a German gene in their body, and he said in his own memoirs and anybody can go and find the memoirs of Banting. He said "I won't be happy until everyone with a German gene is extinct from this planet". This is a great hero who's got statues up to him for helping children in diabetes. Yes, and also he developed a disease which would be spread amongst cattle and the idea was to kill off the food production in Germany and strangely enough has all the same symptoms as what we call Mad Cow disease today. Isn't that a coincidence? Every major figure they give you in history is really one of the elite and they are mass murderers.



read more of this here

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.c...Aug262004.html (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_on_Sweet_Liberty_Aug262004.html) __________________

[marpat]

quote: marpat

Bit of an idea here. Back in the 60's when aircraft did spray people do you not think that it may possible an experiment in mass decontamination should chemical or nuclear weapons be used during the cold war

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If this was so, why don't they come clean and say this?

An obvious reason is that what they did could have had side effects and they don't want to pay compensation. people used to volunteer to do military lab tests for extra money and a lot of them ended up ill. This is still hushed up nowadays. Nobody wants to pay compensation.

[marpat]

quote: marpat

Can you also state how the elite are protected from such chemical attacks, giving some sort of proof, or even an educated theory, and not just a guess.

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The elite use chelating therapy which expells the contents/chemicals etc in the trails so they are immune to them. They have access to hidden sciences or the best treatment/antidotes only they have access too. By law when they create biological/chemical weapons they also have to create an antidote.

The Elite even take their own blood supply when they travel ( incase something happens and they need a blood transfusion ) They won't use donated blood from the masses, because they know that's contaminated with vacciantions, chemicals from food etc.

They don't get vaccinated or eat the same food as we do, why do you tink the likes of Prince Charles is obsessed with organic farming, they have their own farms where they breed their own cattle ( chemicals, growth hormone free etc...real organic produce )

Do you have proof of this or is it speculation?

It is easy to say that they have access to hidden science but this just becomes another thing which is used as an explanation but can't be proved.

[marpat]

quote: marpat

Is that so? to me that sounds like a load of fear inspired propoganda.

.......................

To achieve what exactly why do you think anyone would lie about chemtrails?


Some people can make money out of conspiracy theories. In real terms what is the difference between writing conspiracy books and fiction? there is a market for both and both have their strong followers.

Some people may be convinced of chemtrail theories that they are willing to lie and use false vids and pics in order to get more people interested in their ideas. This happens a lot in the UFO field. For soem people lying to get peoples interest is valid because some people believe the end justifies the means. By invoking peoples fear they begin to get their interest. How many cults use fear based propoganda to get members?

That said, if good evidence is proved then I am happy to accept the theory, but there are just far too many question to accept this theory at present.

[largejack]

In my opinion Chemtrails are a part of the NWO depopulation plan. I have come to my own conclusions from my own personal research and this being.

They only spray in populated places
They are spraying in every country
The ingredients included in the chemtrail soup are very toxic to humans indeed

[beldazar]

Marpat, you keep mentioning good evidence, are you expecting the perpetrators to knock on your door and confess?
Because it seems that this is the only evidence that you will be happy with!

[marpat]

In my opinion Chemtrails are a part of the NWO depopulation plan. I have come to my own conclusions from my own personal research and this being.

They only spray in populated places
They are spraying in every country
The ingredients included in the chemtrail soup are very toxic to humans indeed

Answer me these questions then:

1) What chemicals are being used and why is nobody protesting about this publicly? has anybody collected samples of these chemicals and proved they were delivered by an aircraft?
2) If it part of a depopulation program then why is the population gowing?
3) If these things are so toxic why is everybody not suffering?
4) Many, many thousands of military people live in populated areas so why would they try and kill their own troops, the people who it is claimed enforce the NWO? I live among the civilian population and neither I nor they seem to be getting poisoned. You can't tell me that we are being poisoned if I am not feeling any effects of this. There are more obvious pollutants in the air, such as car fumes, and you live near an enormous ICI plant that pumps loads of shit into the air. Perhaps this is causing you kids breathing problems rather than chemtrails.

[krakhead]

I tried to get a photo of two planes this morning from the train - one plane was leaving a trail for as far as I could see, the other plane was only leaving a short trail that appeared to be dissapating quickly - I'll post it if anyone wants to see it? Not great though.

There were also a lot over my house this morning and where the planes going over tend to be north/south, all the trails I could see were east/west - NOT normal flight plans over this area!

[marpat]

Marpat, you keep mentioning good evidence, are you expecting the perpetrators to knock on your door and confess?
Because it seems that this is the only evidence that you will be happy with!

Be that as it may I am not going for it on a belief basis. If you can't prove it then it's not a fact. Facts can be demonstrated. If a physical plane drops physical chemicals it has physical effects. This is evidence and if people collect it then that can be used as proof. Why is this not happening?

If you are happy with that then fine, I just need more convincing.

[marpat]

I tried to get a photo of two planes this morning from the train - one plane was leaving a trail for as far as I could see, the other plane was only leaving a short trail that appeared to be dissapating quickly - I'll post it if anyone wants to see it? Not great though.

There were also a lot over my house this morning and where the planes going over tend to be north/south, all the trails I could see were east/west - NOT normal flight plans over this area!

What are do you live in as there may be good reasons for that?
There is no reason why planes cannot come from other directions, they could be diverted by air traffic, they could be just transitting on a non routine flight. There anre many reasons and I doubt they are sisniter.

[largejack]

Answer me these questions then:

1) What chemicals are being used and why is nobody protesting about this publicly? has anybody collected samples of these chemicals and proved they were delivered by an aircraft?
2) If it part of a depopulation program then why is the population gowing?
3) If these things are so toxic why is everybody not suffering?
4) Many, many thousands of military people live in populated areas so why would they try and kill their own troops, the people who it is claimed enforce the NWO? I live among the civilian population and neither I nor they seem to be getting poisoned. You can't tell me that we are being poisoned if I am not feeling any effects of this. There are more obvious pollutants in the air, such as car fumes, and you live near an enormous ICI plant that pumps loads of shit into the air. Perhaps this is causing you kids breathing problems rather than chemtrails.


I do not need to answer to you nor do you to me what I have said is my personal opinion and we are all entitled to that.

[krakhead]

What are do you live in as there may be good reasons for that?
There is no reason why planes cannot come from other directions, they could be diverted by air traffic, they could be just transitting on a non routine flight. There anre many reasons and I doubt they are sisniter.

I didn't say they were sinister. There were approx 8 trails going cross-wise from the usual direction at 7:30 this morning, in 7 years of living here, I have never seen planes travel in that direction or leave so many definite trails across the sky. I have never made claims that these trails were poisonous and have no evidence either way that they are or are not, I was just joining in in reporting what I had observed.

But, you say you doubt they are sinister, so you don't have proof that they are not what others claim do you?

[marpat]

I do not need to answer to you nor do you to me what I have said is my personal opinion and we are all entitled to that.

You mean you have no answer then. If you could answer these questions I might be a bit more convinced. Never mind, if you feel convinced that your theories are possible then maybe there is a chance that such things could possibly be happening.

You are fully entitled to your opinion and I can respect that.

[marpat]

I didn't say they were sinister. There were approx 8 trails going cross-wise from the usual direction at 7:30 this morning, in 7 years of living here, I have never seen planes travel in that direction or leave so many definite trails across the sky. I have never made claims that these trails were poisonous and have no evidence either way that they are or are not, I was just joining in in reporting what I had observed.

But, you say you doubt they are sinister, so you don't have proof that they are not what others claim do you?


But you are in a chemtrail thread talking about trails in he sky. By default does that not mean you may be looking at the possibility of them being chemtrails?

You are right I don't have proof but I am not stating what they are just saying that I DOUBT they are sinister. I did not say I KNOW they are not sinister.

[krakhead]

But you are in a chemtrail thread talking about trails in he sky. By default does that not mean you may be looking at the possibility of them being chemtrails?

You are right I don't have proof but I am not stating what they are just saying that I DOUBT they are sinister. I did not say I KNOW they are not sinister.

I may be looking at the possibility, but so, it seems, are you.

You made an assumption about my perception of these trails (I didn't mention chem or con), never assume - it makes an ass out of u and me (boom boom! ;))

[marpat]

I may be looking at the possibility, but so, it seems, are you.

You made an assumption about my perception of these trails (I didn't mention chem or con), never assume - it makes an ass out of u and me (boom boom! ;))

that is such a cliche :p

[krakhead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Gw5Wmtu-8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebKpMUbRsL8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C455lMfHfb4

Not being completely convinced about population control through aerial spraying, I found these (apologies if they've been posted on here before). I find the "In your Face" one very interesting.

[marpat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Gw5Wmtu-8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebKpMUbRsL8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C455lMfHfb4

Not being completely convinced about population control through aerial spraying, I found these (apologies if they've been posted on here before). I find the "In your Face" one very interesting.

Absolute crap. I know what chaff is and what it is made from. I remember picking a bag of it up once. The in your face vid was crap, a lot of 'well it looks like military', 'you can guess the governmant are up to something', etc. You get my drift? no facts just a lot of guessing.

Get some bottles of water that has been contaminated by these supposed chemtrails and get it analysed and if it proves there is something there then make a public statement, take it to health and safety people, etc. I have seen vids posted in here where the cameraman apparently examines poisoned water so if this is the case you have physical evidence.

There is no point in passing ideas around in a forum as this will get nothing done. If you want result in the real world you need to get substantial evidence, you need to be able to prove a point that does not rely on guesswork and theories. Until you can do that then it is nothing but a theory. Perhaps David Icke should throw some of the money he made at the Brixton meet into physical research as he obviously made a fortune and it would be in his interests.

Tell me how the population is being controlled when it is has been climbing rapidly for ages. If more people were dying then crowding in towns and cities would not be an issue.

[krakhead]

Absolute crap. I know what chaff is and what it is made from. I remember picking a bag of it up once. The in your face vid was crap, a lot of 'well it looks like military', 'you can guess the governmant are up to something', etc. You get my drift? no facts just a lot of guessing.

So are you saying that the trails aren't caused by chaff? I wouldn't know to be honest, but there are 2 videos of news reports that are stating that trails are left by military craft and are causing radar interference. They appeared to me to be stating information provided by 'trusted' sources i.e. governmental, why else bring it up? This isn't a video of some theorist, it's a video of a weather man on tv discussing the FACT that something has been dropped in the sky to, at least, interfere with radar signals. As a weather forecaster, getting radar signals showing what would normally be evidence of rain clouds, then there being no rain clouds, I'd make a guess that they have been in touch with someone, looking for an official explanation for the screwed up radar results.

On the 3rd video even the 'expert' states that the trails shown to him are "very odd" and the lady from California Skywatch is stated to have got her results from official records which show the peaks in chemical traces found.

Get some bottles of water that has been contaminated by these supposed chemtrails and get it analysed and if it proves there is something there then make a public statement, take it to health and safety people, etc. I have seen vids posted in here where the cameraman apparently examines poisoned water so if this is the case you have physical evidence.

Why should I? I have already said I'm not convinced with the poisoning the population theory (as a complete explanation, I suspect it occurs on a smaller scale).

There is no point in passing ideas around in a forum as this will get nothing done. If you want result in the real world you need to get substantial evidence, you need to be able to prove a point that does not rely on guesswork and theories. Until you can do that then it is nothing but a theory. Perhaps David Icke should throw some of the money he made at the Brixton meet into physical research as he obviously made a fortune and it would be in his interests.

No point in passing ideas around? Doesn't the search for evidence supporting/discrediting anything start with the idea that there should be further study? And the passing around of ideas can link other people's ideas together possibly giving an Ah-Ha moment where a bigger picture becomes clearer. I agree that theories must be treated as just that - theories, and further study must be done to provide evidence to back your theory up.

Tell me how the population is being controlled when it is has been climbing rapidly for ages. If more people were dying then crowding in towns and cities would not be an issue.

I won't tell you how population is being controlled because it quite obviously is not - at present. I suspect that some people in high positions would like to see the population controlled/reduced - there's the famous quote by Henry Kissinger for a start, but I haven't seen anything that convinces me 100% that a plan is set in stone and will be implemented soon.

So what are your thoughts on plane trails? You may have already posted this but with 85 pages to wade through, thought it'd be quicker to ask.

[marpat]

So are you saying that the trails aren't caused by chaff? I wouldn't know to be honest, but there are 2 videos of news reports that are stating that trails are left by military craft and are causing radar interference. They appeared to me to be stating information provided by 'trusted' sources i.e. governmental, why else bring it up? This isn't a video of some theorist, it's a video of a weather man on tv discussing the FACT that something has been dropped in the sky to, at least, interfere with radar signals. As a weather forecaster, getting radar signals showing what would normally be evidence of rain clouds, then there being no rain clouds, I'd make a guess that they have been in touch with someone, looking for an official explanation for the screwed up radar results.

On the 3rd video even the 'expert' states that the trails shown to him are "very odd" and the lady from California Skywatch is stated to have got her results from official records which show the peaks in chemical traces found.



Why should I? I have already said I'm not convinced with the poisoning the population theory (as a complete explanation, I suspect it occurs on a smaller scale).



No point in passing ideas around? Doesn't the search for evidence supporting/discrediting anything start with the idea that there should be further study? And the passing around of ideas can link other people's ideas together possibly giving an Ah-Ha moment where a bigger picture becomes clearer. I agree that theories must be treated as just that - theories, and further study must be done to provide evidence to back your theory up.



I won't tell you how population is being controlled because it quite obviously is not - at present. I suspect that some people in high positions would like to see the population controlled/reduced - there's the famous quote by Henry Kissinger for a start, but I haven't seen anything that convinces me 100% that a plan is set in stone and will be implemented soon.

So what are your thoughts on plane trails? You may have already posted this but with 85 pages to wade through, thought it'd be quicker to ask.

Chaff is not dropped in trails. It is not designed for that. Many things interfere with radar, even clouds can because water vapour reflects radio wave. I know because I work on a radar. I know about how chaff works, how radars work and that weather can be picked up on normal radars. In fact radars use special processes to eliminate weather, and this same process will also eliminate chaff as the effects are almost the same on a radar screen. Anything that persist in the air will be eliminated by this process. It is called moving target indication. When a radar keeps picking up the same patterns a computer will map that pattern and if it does not change quickly it will then remove that static pattern from the display. Goes without saying that a helicopter that is hovering will also be removed!!!

Contrails are a natural phenomena caused by the action of atmosphereic condition on an aircraft. It is not necesarily an effect of the engines as contrails also appear on wings. It is not an exact science do to the atmosphere not being perfectly uniform. The air pressure also dictate what height they will form at and how persistent they will be.

An 'expert' say thet trails are very odd. Well this obviously makes it all very true. Who is this upposed expert. The problem in here is that vids appear with 'experts' and people with supposed Phd's and other credentials but are these people really who they say they are, are they using good scientific logic. I do not accept a vid because a supposed 'expert' makes some statements about som ething being 'very odd'.

Get physical evidence and then push it through the public domain and legal system then you will get somewhere. discussin ideas is good but until you have a physical basis then the ideas will be nothing more than words to most people.

[krakhead]

Chaff is not dropped in trails. It is not designed for that. Many things interfere with radar, even clouds can because water vapour reflects radio wave. I know because I work on a radar. I know about how chaff works, how radars work and that weather can be picked up on normal radars. In fact radars use special processes to eliminate weather, and this same process will also eliminate chaff as the effects are almost the same on a radar screen. Anything that persist in the air will be eliminated by this process. It is called moving target indication. When a radar keeps picking up the same patterns a computer will map that pattern and if it does not change quickly it will then remove that static pattern from the display. Goes without saying that a helicopter that is hovering will also be removed!!!

Wouldn't chaff move? Not being facetious, genuinely interested! Purely going on what was presented in the video where they state clearly that it was a military operation - what do you think it was? What blocked their radar if clouds or chaff wouldn't have done it?

Contrails are a natural phenomena caused by the action of atmosphereic condition on an aircraft. It is not necesarily an effect of the engines as contrails also appear on wings. It is not an exact science do to the atmosphere not being perfectly uniform. The air pressure also dictate what height they will form at and how persistent they will be.

But there are reports of trails lasting long after clouds disappear, what do you think causes this? I appreciate it's not an exact science though.

An 'expert' say thet trails are very odd. Well this obviously makes it all very true. Who is this upposed expert. The problem in here is that vids appear with 'experts' and people with supposed Phd's and other credentials but are these people really who they say they are, are they using good scientific logic. I do not accept a vid because a supposed 'expert' makes some statements about som ething being 'very odd'.

The 'expert' was chosen by the tv station, now if mainstream media is as controlled as a lot of people suspect it to be then they would choose an expert to come on and say - don't worry, it's just contrails. Now the fact that the 'expert' they brought in, on viewing some of the trails on question, thought them 'odd' - doesn't that strike you as being 'odd'? I haven't presented it as any sort of definitive evidence that the trails are chemical being sprayed over an unsuspecting population, just that there appears to be something out of the ordinary about the trails in question.

Get physical evidence and then push it through the public domain and legal system then you will get somewhere. discussin ideas is good but until you have a physical basis then the ideas will be nothing more than words to most people.

What about the woman with the official records of water testing results showing the peaks in barium etc? Is that not physical enough for you - I'll be the first to admit that I have done no further research into that woman or her work, but it does appear that there ARE people out there collecting and collating the evidence you ask for - but will you accept this evidence seems a pertinent question to ask - you appear absolutely set on the idea that there are no such trails other than contrails and until you decided to collect evidence yourself, you would not accept anyone else's.

[marpat]

Wouldn't chaff move? Not being facetious, genuinely interested! Purely going on what was presented in the video where they state clearly that it was a military operation - what do you think it was? What blocked their radar if clouds or chaff wouldn't have done it?



But there are reports of trails lasting long after clouds disappear, what do you think causes this? I appreciate it's not an exact science though.



The 'expert' was chosen by the tv station, now if mainstream media is as controlled as a lot of people suspect it to be then they would choose an expert to come on and say - don't worry, it's just contrails. Now the fact that the 'expert' they brought in, on viewing some of the trails on question, thought them 'odd' - doesn't that strike you as being 'odd'? I haven't presented it as any sort of definitive evidence that the trails are chemical being sprayed over an unsuspecting population, just that there appears to be something out of the ordinary about the trails in question.



What about the woman with the official records of water testing results showing the peaks in barium etc? Is that not physical enough for you - I'll be the first to admit that I have done no further research into that woman or her work, but it does appear that there ARE people out there collecting and collating the evidence you ask for - but will you accept this evidence seems a pertinent question to ask - you appear absolutely set on the idea that there are no such trails other than contrails and until you decided to collect evidence yourself, you would not accept anyone else's.

When the woman tests the water does that prove that it came froma chemtrail and that the water was not contaminated from another sources. I does not prove that the water was actually tested just because she shows a chart that SUGGESTS this. Can you see where I am going?

Chaff moves otherwise it would stay in the air. It will be carried by the wind, but only at the maximum speed of the wind. It will also fall at the speed of gravity. I do know that chaff is made of chemically treated strands that are carcenogenic, but this is only a problem if you ingest it, which means actually eating the stuff. This is a problem for livestock rather than humans.

It could be that the type of radar they used didn't have MTI. There are many type of radar for different purposes, using different frequency bands. Not sure about Met radars but I would have thought that using MTI do get rid of clouds would be defeating the whole point of using them.

There are many things that could linger in the air. Did you know that planes dump fuel to avoid coming in for heavy landings? do people consider this when they look at things in the air or do they just assume they are being poisoned.

[krakhead]

When the woman tests the water does that prove that it came froma chemtrail and that the water was not contaminated from another sources. I does not prove that the water was actually tested just because she shows a chart that SUGGESTS this. Can you see where I am going?

Absolutely, but when 'ordinary' people decide to research things such as this, they can make links between what they've seen (the trails) and the 'coincidental' increase in levels of chemicals in the water. I agree that other sources need to explored, but it does, I fell, SUGGEST a link that deserves further exploration

Chaff moves otherwise it would stay in the air. It will be carried by the wind, but only at the maximum speed of the wind. It will also fall at the speed of gravity. I do know that chaff is made of chemically treated strands that are carcenogenic, but this is only a problem if you ingest it, which means actually eating the stuff. This is a problem for livestock rather than humans.

Now I'm guessing here, but they do discuss in the videos that SOME of what they say is deployed by the military is in fact particular, wouldn't this make it easier to inhale, therefore making the carcinogenic aspect something of a priority to research further?

It could be that the type of radar they used didn't have MTI. There are many type of radar for different purposes, using different frequency bands. Not sure about Met radars but I would have thought that using MTI do get rid of clouds would be defeating the whole point of using them.

So if they wouldn't use a radar to remove clouds, what is it that is causing their radar to show something that they state are not clouds. What, in an otherwise clear sky, could cause such a blanket of radar readings? They state that the military have used the spraying of substance to block radar reading in conflict situations, why would this effect be required over a non-conflict zone?

There are many things that could linger in the air. Did you know that planes dump fuel to avoid coming in for heavy landings? do people consider this when they look at things in the air or do they just assume they are being poisoned.

I was aware of the dumping of fuel, this could be one of the things causing the reported respiratory problems after such sprayings, but would this cause such definite trails across the sky? And why, in the case of trails I have seen, would fuel be dumped when a plane had not long taken off?

I am not suggesting you have all the answers here, but you still haven't clearly stated what you think these hugely reported trails are. There appears to be little doubt they exist and that there are definite differences in the types reported. Why do some remain when others dissipate quickly?

[marpat]

Absolutely, but when 'ordinary' people decide to research things such as this, they can make links between what they've seen (the trails) and the 'coincidental' increase in levels of chemicals in the water. I agree that other sources need to explored, but it does, I fell, SUGGEST a link that deserves further exploration



Now I'm guessing here, but they do discuss in the videos that SOME of what they say is deployed by the military is in fact particular, wouldn't this make it easier to inhale, therefore making the carcinogenic aspect something of a priority to research further?



So if they wouldn't use a radar to remove clouds, what is it that is causing their radar to show something that they state are not clouds. What, in an otherwise clear sky, could cause such a blanket of radar readings? They state that the military have used the spraying of substance to block radar reading in conflict situations, why would this effect be required over a non-conflict zone?



I was aware of the dumping of fuel, this could be one of the things causing the reported respiratory problems after such sprayings, but would this cause such definite trails across the sky? And why, in the case of trails I have seen, would fuel be dumped when a plane had not long taken off?

I am not suggesting you have all the answers here, but you still haven't clearly stated what you think these hugely reported trails are. There appears to be little doubt they exist and that there are definite differences in the types reported. Why do some remain when others dissipate quickly?

When you say ordinary people doing research I take it you mean that they just read the chemtrail theories and then start looking for trails in the sky without actually having any depth of knowledge or science with which they could apply to the study.

What is a plane just took off and eveloped a fault. It would then be overloaded for landing and would therefore have to dump fuel, problem solved.

Atmospheric conditions can cause trials to linger for different amounts of time. When people see them are they timing them or just guessing about the time. Perhaps there may be fuel additives that cause different effects.

I am not sure if you are aware but there are training areas where planes fly over and get engaged by SAM radars on the ground. This simulates what happens in conflict areas. Planes drop chaff at these places to avoid being tracked and that would partly explain why met people see things on the radar but don't know what they are. I know for a fact that there is such a training place in Germany. Isn't that spooky, that the report was in Germany also, dead bizarre that!!!! you may ask why that was not mentioned in the vid but perhaps people only show the bits that promote their own view points.

[hagbard_celine]

Chemtrails over London on Saturday, the day of David's Brixton lecture:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2306/picture094ls0.jpg

[marpat]

Chemtrails over London on Saturday, the day of David's Brixton lecture:



I would have to ask why? London has a lot of budy airports and air corridors. What is the signficance of the Brixton meet? I don't think you are suggesting that they would do all that because David was having a talk, or are you?. To me it would seem a lot easier and more effective to install subliminal programming devices in the actual building.

Another question, if the elite families live in that area then why would they spray all that stuff above them?

[hagbard_celine]

I would have to ask why? London has a lot of budy airports and air corridors. What is the signficance of the Brixton meet? I don't think you are suggesting that they would do all that because David was having a talk, or are you?. To me it would seem a lot easier and more effective to install subliminal programming devices in the actual building.

Another question, if the elite families live in that area then why would they spray all that stuff above them?


London has planes flying over it, yes, but those are not ordinary contrails.

It makes sense to seed in a busy air coridor so that the chemtrails are less likely to be noticed. I don't know if the presence of David and all his supporters congregating in the city that day was significant, but it might be. Who knows, maybe they wanted to kill two boirds with one stone! Yes, Elite families do live in London, but remember, everyone is expendible. Even the 13 Illuminati Primi have superiors in other dimensions.

[catfood]

I am yet to be convinced on these cemtrails I just don’t see why put it in the air when it is so easy to put it the water.
I think we may be getting deliberately deceived into the cemtrail theory to distract us from the real threat and to discredit us to the masses. :eek:

[largejack]

I am yet to be convinced on these cemtrails I just don’t see why put it in the air when it is so easy to put it the water.
I think we may be getting deliberately deceived into the cemtrail theory to distract us from the real threat and to discredit us to the masses. :eek:

Comon if these chemicals are in the air then they are going to contaminate the water:p

[kweli]

Here's a couple of shots taken from my living room window (feb 08) Now, you can tell me until you're blue in the face that this is normal activity, you can debunk til the cows come home - I won't believe you!

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i28/annie1pw/27thfebchems012.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i28/annie1pw/27thfebchems010.jpg

[lookfar]

Blimey kweli, that's a shocking number of chemmies, they were certainly out in force that day:mad:

[i_am]

I took some pics from my London hotel earlier last week. I am not sure how they will turn out as it was very cloudy but will upload them when I get home if they are clear. They were definitely chemtrails.

[kweli]

Blimey kweli, that's a shocking number of chemmies, they were certainly out in force that day:mad:

Indeed lookfar. Sometimes seeing is believing. I have a whole catalogue of these chemtrail shots, the worst time was between Oct - Feb. It's still happening, but nowhere near as bad as this period.

[lookfar]

I took some pics from my London hotel earlier last week. I am not sure how they will turn out as it was very cloudy but will upload them when I get home if they are clear. They were definitely chemtrails.

Ah nice one i_am, look forward to seeing your pics. Did you notice a big difference in the amount of them here compared to in Oz?

[lookfar]

Indeed lookfar. Sometimes seeing is believing. I have a whole catalogue of these chemtrail shots, the worst time was between Oct - Feb. It's still happening, but nowhere near as bad as this period.

Yep you're right there, it's in front of our faces nearly every day & still people won't (or refuse:rolleyes:) to believe it. I have quite a collection of them as well, some days they are far busier than others, but we're getting quite a lot of cloud at the mo, which is worse, as you can't see what's going on in the sky above it all....

[i_am]

Ah nice one i_am, look forward to seeing your pics. Did you notice a big difference in the amount of them here compared to in Oz?


We get plenty in OZ but rarely over Brisbane. We do have a strange phenomena with rain though. There can be a huge area of heavy rain and storms heading straight for us, but....when it gets to around the air force base, it splits and goes north and south of the CBD. I live about 2 kms from the city and the rain almost always misses us.

[lookfar]

We get plenty in OZ but rarely over Brisbane. We do have a strange phenomena with rain though. There can be a huge area of heavy rain and storms heading straight for us, but....when it gets to around the air force base, it splits and goes north and south of the CBD. I live about 2 kms from the city and the rain almost always misses us.

Good to hear that you don't get that much spraying over Brisbane. Bit weird about the rain though, I wonder if there's something at the air force base which is detracting it somehow?

[largejack]

I got a few pics too

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/298306047.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/11-02-08_0902.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/298304148.jpg

[marpat]

Yep you're right there, it's in front of our faces nearly every day & still people won't (or refuse:rolleyes:) to believe it. I have quite a collection of them as well, some days they are far busier than others, but we're getting quite a lot of cloud at the mo, which is worse, as you can't see what's going on in the sky above it all....

Should we question thing s or just believe them. This has been my point all along. You believe because you don't really know what you are looking at.

[largejack]

Nobody has mentioned this but just look at the chemtrails that are delibarately put into children's films cartoons ect. "Get em used to it while they are young and they won't ask questions!":rolleyes:

This is from the children's film Over the hedge just look at the chemtrails here

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/3642PestManWithSuitcase.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/2529RaccoonInTree.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/1531TurtleFlyingThroughTheAir.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/4353ExplosionInDriveway.jpg

[largejack]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/1506SatelliteDisk.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/1452TurtleFalling.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/1410LookingUpAtStatue.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/1358BetweenHouseAndTable.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/3642PestManWithSuitcase.jpg


For any of you who have the pleasure of having children have any of you seen Tommy Zoom on Cbeebies the chemtrails in that are shocking


How dare they try to get our kids to think this is normal:mad:

[largejack]

Some more conditioning for us and our little ones:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/spirit1.jpg

Disney Pixar cars movie

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/4353GentlemenStartYourEngines1.jpg

[eternal_spirit]

When it was mentioned on the major news right after 9/11, when one of the bigwigs was asked in the U.S. how they would deal with another crisis, even bigger crisis, on say a city level and he said we have aerosolized Prozac and Valium which can be sprayed across a whole city to calm the people. That's when it hit me as to why so many people were already since 1998 have feeling drowsy, sleepy, no energy since the aerial spraying began in earnest on a large scale. It hit me that not only is HAARP technology being used in conjunction with the aerial spraying of metallic particles, but obviously the boys at the top would get a big bang for their buck; they'd use what they call "calmatives" as well.

Now people can look into university findings, they might be lucky to still find some around, where the funding was given to these certain departments in universities who all worked on these non-lethal weapons and calmatives and so on; and remember what you read on a small scale can be used on a large scale.

One of these reports for the military-industrial complex on calmatives was done by Penn State College of Medicine Applied Research Lab Laboratory, Pennsylvania State University, and they gave out one – I have one document here, there's probably a lot more, on 3rd of October 2000 and it's called "The Advantages and Limitations of Calmatives for Use as Non-Lethal Technique." There's one of 11 pages in this one particular report.

It says:
"Executive Summary.
The purpose of this study was to assess the potential use of calmatives as non-lethal techniques. This research included defining the advantages and limitations of pharmaceutical agents as calmatives with potential use as non-lethal techniques; providing a comprehensive survey of the medical literature identifying pharmaceutical agents that produce a calm sate and developing this information into a database of relevant literature on calmatives; 3) providing an in-depth review of selected calmatives identified by the literature search with high potential for further consideration as a non-lethal technique, and L) to identify and provide recommendations on new areas in pharmaceutical drug development that may uniquely meet the requirements of calmatives as non-lethal techniques.

read more here
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_Global_Shock_and_Awe__with_Calmati ves_for_Dessert_Apr132008.html

[logic bomb]

When it was mentioned on the major news right after 9/11, when one of the bigwigs was asked in the U.S. how they would deal with another crisis, even bigger crisis, on say a city level and he said we have aerosolized Prozac and Valium which can be sprayed across a whole city to calm the people.

I might be wrong but wasn't it Rumsfeld who said that?

[kweli]

I might be wrong but wasn't it Rumsfeld who said that?

I believe so.

Here's an exerpt from an Interview with Alan Watt on "Sweet Liberty" with Jackie Patru May 2005

Jackie: Who was it that said, one of the people in the U.S. government, that they would spray--


Alan: That was Rumsfeld.


Jackie: Rumsfeld. That they would actually spray a Prozac-like aerosol in the air if there was another terrorist attack. Is that what he said?


Alan: He was asked right after 9/11 and it was an American station, probably CNN, but they probably didn't show it in the states, there was part of it where a reporter asked him how are you going to deal with another strike in another city where there can be widespread panic throughout the whole city? And he said we have plenty of aerosolized Valium and Prozac which we can spray directly from the air which will calm the people down to such an extent they'll be kept out of a panic situation. When he said it, I thought well that's probably what they've been doing all along in the spraying, because if I was one of them and I wanted to bring the world through this incredible transition, where amongst the few choices left you can at least your own mate to breed with and they want to stop even that from occurring, and so if I was going make the people of the future, I'd modify them just as much as they've modified the food. They call it "genetic enhancement"; if I was going to do all these massive changes, I would want the public to be tranquilized too. Of course, it makes perfect sense that's what they're doing.

Source: http://www.alanwattsentientsentinel.eu/english/transcripts/Alan_Watt_on_Sweet_Liberty_May252005.html

[kweli]

And cheers for the pics Largejack, couldn't be more blantant could it?

Also look out for them in TV shows and adverts. The new 'Norton Finance' one is laughable (the one with folk jumping over the hurdles). Don't watch much TV now, but I remember a lot of the Property shows use shots of them too, especially - Location, Location, Location.

[beldazar]

I saw mr beans holiday yesterday, great film, had me crying with laughter. It was a bit spoilt at the end, chemtrails :(

[truthseeker1980]

A few question for the skeptics like Marpat.

Yesterday in North London the sky is similar to the pics largejack posted, actually its worse as they are forming the milky haze clouds, here is a thought for you to ponder about the atmospheric pressure being different everyday.

Why yesterday were most planes leaving chemtrails but a few at what optically looks to be around the same altitude are only leaving the real contrails, which as everyone knows only tail the aircraft for a few feet and then disappear?

How can this be?

Or did i make it up as you have said in the past?

It had to be the day i forgot my phone to take a pic, BUT

I saw one plane leaving a chemtrail and one leaving a real contrail in the same area of sky at once. So the atmospheric conditions answer no longer holds any weight at all.

Also yesterday some planes were switching off whatever they are spraying just before crossing another chemtrail path running horizontally to it and then started spraying again once it had passed the one already laid.

Before you answer different altitudes, the planes flying yesterday at lower altitudes, were as they always are at that height, leaving no trails what so ever.

BUT

All the planes yesterday at higher altitudes were mainly spraying chemtrails with around one in every 10, leaving the average bonefide contrail.

So that's the atmospheric pressure being different everyday excuse exposed as a lie.

[marpat]

A few question for the skeptics like Marpat.

Yesterday in North London the sky is similar to the pics largejack posted, actually its worse as they are forming the milky haze clouds, here is a thought for you to ponder about the atmospheric pressure being different everyday.

Why yesterday were most planes leaving chemtrails but a few at what optically looks to be around the same altitude are only leaving the real contrails, which as everyone knows only tail the aircraft for a few feet and then disappear?

How can this be?

Or did i make it up as you have said in the past?

It had to be the day i forgot my phone to take a pic, BUT

I saw one plane leaving a chemtrail and one leaving a real contrail in the same area of sky at once. So the atmospheric conditions answer no longer holds any weight at all.

Also yesterday some planes were switching off whatever they are spraying just before crossing another chemtrail path running horizontally to it and then started spraying again once it had passed the one already laid.

Before you answer different altitudes, the planes flying yesterday at lower altitudes, were as they always are at that height, leaving no trails what so ever.

BUT

All the planes yesterday at higher altitudes were mainly spraying chemtrails with around one in every 10, leaving the average bonefide contrail.

So that's the atmospheric pressure being different everyday excuse exposed as a lie.


What? you are guessing about things that are happening in the sky by looking with binoculars. Are you retarded? how the hell can you even ascertain that the planes were about the same height by looking, pure guesswork. Did I not say many time that atmospheric conditions determine how long such things last and that because the atmosphere is not perfectly uniform then there may be gaps and breaks in a trail.

You are completely desperate to believe in the trails without any credible evidence. The reason for your desperation is that you have studied so much about the chemtrail theories, made it a part of your life, wanted to believe that there is something going on that you reject anything that states what you are talking is shite. Until somebody starts coming up with some physical evidence, not crap vids, and proving the links then all you have is a theory.

I am happy for you to prove me wrong but I doubt very much that you will. Go and get some real undisputable evidence and then you can rub it in my face and say I was wrong. Oh, sorry I forgot, asking for proof and evidence is against forum rules.

When you get down to it people in here feel we should be free to question everything that goes on but when it comes to questioning the conspiracy theories then people don't seem to like that. The way is see it is that if something is true then asking questions will eventually prove that but if you sit there condemning so called government chemtrails while not asking questions about what you are putting forward then you are just imposing a belief system on others. How many people here question the trails but don't question the apparent conspiracy that they are supposedly for, or question why they feel the need to believe such conspiracies?

[marpat]

I believe so.

Here's an exerpt from an Interview with Alan Watt on "Sweet Liberty" with Jackie Patru May 2005

Jackie: Who was it that said, one of the people in the U.S. government, that they would spray--


Alan: That was Rumsfeld.


Jackie: Rumsfeld. That they would actually spray a Prozac-like aerosol in the air if there was another terrorist attack. Is that what he said?


Alan: He was asked right after 9/11 and it was an American station, probably CNN, but they probably didn't show it in the states, there was part of it where a reporter asked him how are you going to deal with another strike in another city where there can be widespread panic throughout the whole city? And he said we have plenty of aerosolized Valium and Prozac which we can spray directly from the air which will calm the people down to such an extent they'll be kept out of a panic situation. When he said it, I thought well that's probably what they've been doing all along in the spraying, because if I was one of them and I wanted to bring the world through this incredible transition, where amongst the few choices left you can at least your own mate to breed with and they want to stop even that from occurring, and so if I was going make the people of the future, I'd modify them just as much as they've modified the food. They call it "genetic enhancement"; if I was going to do all these massive changes, I would want the public to be tranquilized too. Of course, it makes perfect sense that's what they're doing.
Source: http://www.alanwattsentientsentinel.eu/english/transcripts/Alan_Watt_on_Sweet_Liberty_May252005.html


But this just begs the question, if they are spraying all over places like London, probably the most important city in Britain then aren't they also spraying all the rich, powerful people, the politicians and bankers as well as spraying the military people who are based around those areas? don't you feel this would be an own goal?

[eternal_spirit]

But this just begs the question, if they are spraying all over places like London, probably the most important city in Britain then aren't they also spraying all the rich, powerful people, the politicians and bankers as well as spraying the military people who are based around those areas? don't you feel this would be an own goal?
..................

I've posted this once you replied, but obviously have forgotten or want to ignore the possibility that this is the thruth, so here it is again.

The elite use chelating therapy which expells the contents/chemicals etc in the trails so they are immune to them. They have access to hidden sciences or the best treatment/antidotes only they have access too. By law when they create biological/chemical weapons they also have to create an antidote.

The Elite even take their own blood supply when they travel ( incase something happens and they need a blood transfusion ) They won't use donated blood from the masses, because they know that's contaminated with vaccinations, chemicals and GM food etc.

They don't get vaccinated or eat the same food as we do, why do you tink the likes of Prince Charles is obsessed with organic farming, they have their own farms where they breed their own cattle ( chemicals, growth hormone free etc...real organic produce )

[marpat]

..................

I've posted this once you replied, but obviously have forgotten or want to ignore the possibility that this is the thruth, so here it is again.

The elite use chelating therapy which expells the contents/chemicals etc in the trails so they are immune to them. They have access to hidden sciences or the best treatment/antidotes only they have access too. By law when they create biological/chemical weapons they also have to create an antidote.

The Elite even take their own blood supply when they travel ( incase something happens and they need a blood transfusion ) They won't use donated blood from the masses, because they know that's contaminated with vaccinations, chemicals and GM food etc.

They don't get vaccinated or eat the same food as we do, why do you tink the likes of Prince Charles is obsessed with organic farming, they have their own farms where they breed their own cattle ( chemicals, growth hormone free etc...real organic produce )

But that answers nothing does it? you merely answer a question by stating some other theory that is not proven. Do you know for a fact what vaccinations or food they eat? I guess you don't really know and are just speculating. You don't know because you don't see it happening, you don't talk to the people doing it, therefore you are speculating. Speculation is OK if the intent is to actually use it as a basis for investigation and not use it to give false credence to other unproven theories.

Nothing to do with what the possibility of the truth is. ANYTHING is possible but is it probable? to me possibility and probability are two totally different things.

Good question will eventually find the truth but trying to explain one theory by offering another just prolongs confusion.

[eyepod]

Antony Barnett, public affairs editor
Observer
Sunday April 21, 2002

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html

Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.

Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.

Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.

In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.

However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.

David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette's three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.

The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: 'I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.'

Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'

The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.

The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.'

Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

[eyepod]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VLNNwiKvlE

[marpat]

True, cadmium is carcenogenic but I am not sure when this became know. I work on equipment where cadmium is present and as long as you take precautions you are safe. The fact that I work on something that is from that period and contains this same stuff proves to me that at that time it was considered safe whereas now it is know to be harmful if ingested.

I would think the reason for a cover up is due to not wanting to pay any compensation.

Ok, the title of the vid. Scientists BELIEVE we are in danger. So do they actually know and if they do why is this not being pushed legally, mass protests, etc. And who are these scientists anyway? are they genuine and credible?

Until my questions are satifised with answers that I cant deny then it is still only a theory.

[eyepod]

Until my questions are satifised with answers that I cant deny then it is still only a theory.

No hard feelings dude but you will probably have a microchip shoved up your ass walking about in a trance singing the One World national anthem by then. Or if your lucky they'll keep you alive long enough to flog your kidneys to someone at the UN :D

[marpat]

No hard feelings dude but you will probably have a microchip shoved up your ass walking about in a trance singing the One World national anthem by then. Or if your lucky they'll keep you alive long enough to flog your kidneys to someone at the UN :D

So what you are trying to tell me is that if I don't accept this fear based theory then I will suffer the consequences. As for the chipping thing I think it is bollocks anyway for a number of reasons. My trade is electronics so I have some idea on the subject and how such things are limited, etc, etc.

No offense, but if you want to frighten people into belief then I am not your man. For some reason I don't feel that if such a thing happened I would be the one missing the kidneys. By all means live in your world of fear but I CHOOSE what I am going accept.

[eyepod]

My trade is electronics so I have some idea on the subject and how such things are limited, etc, etc.

No offense, but if you want to frighten people into belief then I am not your man. For some reason I don't feel that if such a thing happened I would be the one missing the kidneys. By all means live in your world of fear but I CHOOSE what I am going accept.

Marpat for someone so busy with satanism and military electronics you sure have alot of time on your hands, most of it appears to be spent attempting to trash as many threads on these forums as you can.

You want everyone to provide you with unshackable proof yet you provide absolutelty F.A. proof yourself backing up your assertions. It easy playing devil's advocate. So why don't you provide us with some proof and awaken us from our fear filled lives! :rolleyes:

All you do is bang on about your military connections as if that is all the qualifications you need to disregard everything.

What are you doing here, who is paying you, GCHQ or something?

[marpat]

Marpat for someone so busy with satanism and military electronics you sure have alot of time on your hands, most of it appears to be spent attempting to trash as many threads on these forums as you can.

You want everyone to provide you with unshackable proof yet you provide absolutelty F.A. proof yourself backing up your assertions. It easy playing devil's advocate. So why don't you provide us with some proof and awaken us from our fear filled lives! :rolleyes:

All you do is bang on about your military connections as if that is all the qualifications you need to disregard everything.

What are you doing here, who is paying you, GCHQ or something?

So what you are now saying is because of my job that I cannot have an OPINION in here, that this somehow makes my questions irrelevant or null and void. That is fine by me, you can believe what you want but I am going to exercise my power of choice rather than following the other sheep.

I am always amazed at people who think they are open minded but who try and stamp on anybody who does not agree with the status quo. I think the whole point of a forum is to discuss and question. You have been here for a month and you think your in a position to cut me to pieces.

I can see you are already programmed. How am I busy with satanism? I think your problem is that I ask for what you cannot provide.

Do I keep mentioning my job? I have a couple of time but you might find a lot of other people just see that as an excuse to ignore what I am asking. Do I trash threads? I don't think you have spent any time looking at what I write.

Now run along sheep, bah haha.

[largejack]

True, cadmium is carcenogenic but I am not sure when this became know. I work on equipment where cadmium is present and as long as you take precautions you are safe. The fact that I work on something that is from that period and contains this same stuff proves to me that at that time it was considered safe whereas now it is know to be harmful if ingested.

I would think the reason for a cover up is due to not wanting to pay any compensation.

Ok, the title of the vid. Scientists BELIEVE we are in danger. So do they actually know and if they do why is this not being pushed legally, mass protests, etc. And who are these scientists anyway? are they genuine and credible?

Until my questions are satifised with answers that I cant deny then it is still only a theory.

Oh comon Marpat it is not like the governments are going to want to admit to it do you seriously think that if they are spraying us with deadly chemicals then they are going to admit it? If they did there would be a massive uproar. I mean it is not like you are going to see it on the BBC news is it. Oh yes 'The government admits testing and spraying deadly chemicals on the population!' top news story that would be and I am sure it would go down a treat:rolleyes:

[eyepod]

So what you are now saying is because of my job that I cannot have an OPINION in here

Like you do in most threads you twist the words of the poster and yet provide no answers yourself only denials.

I asked you how someone in the military is able to spend so much time on these forums. But respect, nice bit of manouvering so you don't have to answer! People will begin to think your a fully paid up pro-disinfo agent.

I am always amazed at people who think they are open minded but who try and stamp on anybody who does not agree with the status quo

Forgive me but it appears you are Mr status quo or else you're just trying to subverte everyone else.

I think your problem is that I ask for what you cannot provide.

I asked you previously to provide proof of your own assertions, you failed to (strange huh?). Good bit of twisting though again, I have provided enough reasonable evidence i.e. German / UK governments admitting to spraying their cititzens and other stuff. What have you provided? F.A as usual accept your usual - deny everything.

I don't think you have spent any time looking at what I write.

Unfortunately I have, I know the drill. Deny, deny, deny...

Now run along sheep, bah haha.

Now run along satanist and show us some proof yourself that all is just fine in the world or you just going into thread subversion mode as per usual?

[marpat]

Oh comon Marpat it is not like the governments are going to want to admit to it do you seriously think that if they are spraying us with deadly chemicals then they are going to admit it? If they did there would be a massive uproar. I mean it is not like you are going to see it on the BBC news is it. Oh yes 'The government admits testing and spraying deadly chemicals on the population!' top news story that would be and I am sure it would go down a treat:rolleyes:


I take it that you have not bothered your arse to read my other posts then as I did actually say why they would not admit it. Let me say again. Compensation. If they try developing counter measure for use after a chemcial of nuclear strike then do you think they are just going to tell everybody what they are doing? don't you know that the USSR had people living in Britain all through this period just looking for data like this? if they knew what the countermeasure was then they would seek a way around it, standard practice really. Now lets say 20 years later it becomes apparent that stuff used in the tests was proven to be harmful if ingested. You are then looking at possibly tens or hundreds of thousand of people seeking compensation. Do you really think they want to be making big pay outs? any cover up will be about money not the actual spraying.

[marpat]

Like you do in most threads you twist the words of the poster and yet provide no answers yourself only denials.

I asked you how someone in the military is able to spend so much time on these forums. But respect, nice bit of manouvering so you don't have to answer! People will begin to think your a fully paid up pro-disinfo agent.



Forgive me but it appears you are Mr status quo or else you're just trying to subverte everyone else.



I asked you previously to provide proof of your own assertions, you failed to (strange huh?). Good bit of twisting though again, I have provided enough reasonable evidence i.e. German / UK governments admitting to spraying their cititzens and other stuff. What have you provided? F.A as usual accept your usual - deny everything.



Unfortunately I have, I know the drill. Deny, deny, deny...



Now run along satanist and show us some proof yourself that all is just fine in the world or you just going into thread subversion mode as per usual?

The accuser is the one who should provide the proof. If the police came to your house for no reason and arrested you then told you to prove yourself innocent what would you think?

Questions will eventually reveal the truth not crap vids and forced, twisted belief.

Talking about drills do you know the one for use against people who don't believe without good evidence? repress, repress, repress.

I quite like the satanist comment. This just proves you are not gullible and prone to making negative judgements about people you have never met. If you want to hurt me say I am a nice guy.

I wish there was a sheep smiley, or perhaps a robot.

What is a paid pro disinfo agent? does such a thing exist. The fact that you try and level such an accusation at me just proves that your mind has been programmed by a lot of crap. It is one thing for people to argue about subjects and proof but when people start talking shite like that then you know that they are just desperate to hold on to their belief no matter what. Pretty sad really

[largejack]

It's not necessarily even our governments who are doing this to us, infact I suspect they only have limited knowledge of it at best. The government is only a mere puppet of the Illuminati they are probably not even half way up the pyramid when it comes to the most powerful people and organisations in this world. Most of the media is owned and therefore controlled by the Elites (Illuminati) and it is them who decides what the public see and hear. Take Rupert Murdoch for instance. There is no way they are going to give away their secrets, but the smokescreens are breaking down, and people are starting to join the dots to a Global Conspiracy.

What's with the new Avatar? A change of heart or mood, or is it equally as satanic as the last one? lol

This is a good watch

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1263677258215075609

[truthseeker1980]

When you get down to it people in here feel we should be free to question everything that goes on but when it comes to questioning the conspiracy theories then people don't seem to like that. The way is see it is that if something is true then asking questions will eventually prove that but if you sit there condemning so called government chemtrails while not asking questions about what you are putting forward then you are just imposing a belief system on others. How many people here question the trails but don't question the apparent conspiracy that they are supposedly for, or question why they feel the need to believe such conspiracies?

The only person who is imposing a belief system here is you, as I said to an earlier post which you didn't bother answering to.

PLEASE EXPLAIN to me what the conspiracy about chemtrails is, i'm sorry for being pedantic but conspiracy means a different version of an official story or a different take to what is accepted as known, there is no OFFICIAL STORY about chemtrails so there is no CONSPIRACY, are you not English?

If the people on here noticing that stuff is being sprayed in the sky is a conspiracy in your eyes then you are quite clearly mad.

As I said to you before i have not watched any video's or documentaries about chemtrails, I have though seen programmes at school about how contrails are formed and I have a memory, something most sheeple dont seem to have, as we know thats coz of food additives and TV brainwashing.

These are not contrails mate, the evidence is in the sky, it's all around you. I dont want them to be chemtrails i would far prefer them to be contrails.

I've just told you what I saw and that was one plane spraying a chemtrail and one leaving a contrail in the same area of sky at similar heights, at the same time, i dont need binoculars to see that both planes were at similar heights, there's a thing called perspective where distance make things look smaller or bigger depending on how far they are away, if both the planes are of similar size and moving at a similar pace, most can assertain that there's probably not much altitude between them.

I think we have an agent here people.

[marpat]

It's not necessarily even our governments who are doing this to us, infact I suspect they only have limited knowledge of it at best. The government is only a mere puppet of the Illuminati they are probably not even half way up the pyramid when it comes to the most powerful people and organisations in this world. Most of the media is owned and therefore controlled by the Elites (Illuminati) and it is them who decides what the public see and hear. Take Rupert Murdoch for instance. There is no way they are going to give away their secrets, but the smokescreens are breaking down, and people are starting to join the dots to a Global Conspiracy.

What's with the new Avatar? A change of heart or mood, or is it equally as satanic as the last one? lol

This is a good watch

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1263677258215075609

It is a Crowley painting. Throwing accusations about satanism does not bother me. I think that when people stop debating about a subject and then start attacking people for having their own opinions then it just proves that they realise their ideas are full of holes and the only way to gain any FAITH in what they say is to DISCREDIT the people that don't agree with them. By all means disagree with me but trying to make me sound like something I am not is just fruitless.

Oh yes, I am sure that what is contained in that video is 100% proof of microchipping. And what sort of chipping, one that can control the mind (bollocks) or an ID one (possible)

[eyepod]

It is one thing for people to argue about subjects and proof but when people start talking shite like that then you know that they are just desperate to hold on to their belief no matter what. Pretty sad really

Keep twisting Marpat - you might just strangle yourself ;)

[eyepod]

It is a Crowley painting. Throwing accusations about satanism does not bother me.

I am sure it doesn't - but everyone else is probably a bit concerned. Especially you being a fan of Crowley - head of Ordo Templi Orientis another secret society based on Freemasonary with a bit of Magick and bestialality chucked in! Some would call him a satanist but I am sure he is just another poor misunderstood mason with a pencent for helping old ladies across the road.

You do like to do a bit of defending in the freemasonary threads also...hmmmn


Oh yes, I am sure that what is contained in that video is 100% proof of microchipping. And what sort of chipping, one that can control the mind (bollocks) or an ID one (possible)


Brian Implants Stop Charging Bull In His Tracks - NY Times 1965

http://dehehn.newsvine.com/_news/2007/07/31/870208-brian-implants-stop-charging-bull-in-his-tracks-ny-times-1965

Afternoon sunlight poured over the high wooden barriers into the ring, as the brave bull bore down on the unarmed matador a scientist who had never before faced a fighting bull. But the charging animals horns never reached the man behind the red cape. Moments before that could happen, Dr Jose Delgado, the scientist, pressed a button on a small radio transmitter in his hand and the bull braked to a halt. Then he pressed another button on the transmitter, and the bull obediently turned to the right and trotted away.

The bull was obeying commands in his brain that were being called forth by electrical stimulation by the radio signals of certain regions in which the fine wires had been painlessly implanted the day before.

Yeh that was done in 1965 I am sure they have only advanced enough to stick an ID on there after all that time. You would know after all wouldn't you!

[largejack]

Ah really Marpat, you're like a persistent 'contrail'. I was only having a mischievous dig about your avatar, and you accuse us of taking things so seriously?

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8480&highlight=microchips

Marpat here's all the proof anyone could ever need to show them the micro chipping of humans is real.

[marpat]

I am sure it doesn't - but everyone else is probably a bit concerned. Especially you being a fan of Crowley - head of Ordo Templi Orientis another secret society based on Freemasonary with a bit of Magick and bestialality chucked in! Some would call him a satanist but I am sure he is just another poor misunderstood mason with a pencent for helping old ladies across the road.

You do like to do a bit of defending in the freemasonary threads also...hmmmn






Yeh that was done in 1965 I am sure they have only advanced enough to stick an ID on there after all that time. You would know after all wouldn't you!

What you are telling me in so many posts is that it is wrong to have my own ideas, my own thoughts, and my own mind. While I am happy for people to believe what they like and to have their own opinions I am not happy when people try to firce their own little ideas onto me. What you are doing is trying to force me to accept your ideas and trying to attack my character when I don't, and you think I am the bad guy? it is people like you who work for the NWO, who believe anything that is given to them as long as it fits their little conspiracies and who attack others who do not share the same OPINIONS.

I am not a freemason or a supporter of them but I do feel that people should look at both side of the eqation. I don't think it is fair or balanaced to say they are all evil, etc. This is acceptable to you but I think that is has already been established that you are a sheep.

[marpat]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8480&highlight=microchips

Marpat here's all the proof anyone could ever need to show them the micro chipping of humans is real.

Wrong thread dude

I do not disagree that chip implants are possible but not for total control. For ID and tracking yes. There are just far too many aspects and variables. We done this to death ages ago and its the wrong place.

[eyepod]

What you are telling me in so many posts is that it is wrong to have my own ideas, my own thoughts, and my own mind.

Think what you like, do what thou wilt (sorry couldn't help it ;)) just don't twist peoples words. And as has been said so many times before - you provide some proof - just for once...I think we are going to have a long wait.

I am just pointing out to anyone who may happen across this thread what your all about. They can draw their own conclusions as most probably have.

I am sure the majority on these forums do not have your taste for satanism, the military, Crowley, rituals etc. But hey each to their own. Just wondering what on earth your doing here.

I think that is has already been established that you are a sheep.

OMG if I am sheep I better watch out, we know how you satanists just love to shag them and then slit their throats. I thought you preferd male sheep ya know Goats maybe your just not fussy? Do you roast them afterwards as well or am being too crude?

[marpat]

Think what you like, do what thou wilt (sorry couldn't help it ;)) just don't twist peoples words. And as has been said so many times before - you provide some proof - just for once...I think we are going to have a long wait.

I am just pointing out to anyone who may happen across this thread what your all about. They can draw their own conclusions as most probably have.

I am sure the majority on these forums do not have your taste for satanism, the military, Crowley, rituals etc. But hey each to their own. Just wondering what on earth your doing here.



OMG if I am sheep I better watch out, we know how you satanists just love to shag them and then slit their throats. I thought you preferd male sheep ya know Goats maybe your just not fussy? Do you roast them afterwards as well or am being too crude?


Like I said before proving the point is the responsibility of the person making the accusations. If you cannot make a direct like to an aircraft apparently spreading a chemtrail to chemical in the air or water supply then you have nothing. A couple of vids means nothing as such things could be staged just to get more believers. It is just far too easy.

So now that I have beaten your weak arguement you are just going to go down the condemnation route? go for it, it just proves what a bigot you are. I can hardly say I'm suprised. Don't you think if you should be making comments about satanism in the relevant thread rather than using this place? you should pop into the other threads where I post and give your relevant opinions there.

Crude comments do not bother me but I find your a bit on the childish and ignorant side.

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[eyepod]

Like I said before proving the point is the responsibility of the person making the accusations. If you cannot make a direct like to an aircraft apparently spreading a chemtrail to chemical in the air or water supply then you have nothing. A couple of vids means nothing as such things could be staged just to get more believers. It is just far too easy.

So now that I have beaten your weak arguement you are just going to go down the condemnation route? go for it, it just proves what a bigot you are. I can hardly say I'm suprised. Don't you think if you should be making comments about satanism in the relevant thread rather than using this place? you should pop into the other threads where I post and give your relevant opinions there.

Crude comments do not bother me but I find your a bit on the childish and ignorant side.

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I see what your doing here. I should know "don't feed the trolls" - bye Marpat, hope your goat roasting goes well.

[marpat]

I see what your doing here. I should know "don't feed the trolls" - bye Marpat, hope your goat roasting goes well.

Don't you mean don't feed the sheep? bigot

[largejack]

We haven't tried to force any 'beliefs' on you, if anything it is the other way round, as you basically think that if we're not rocket scientists or professors with loads of letters after our name, then we have to be wrong. For instance, you've tried to convince us that it is ICI (which doesn't really exist now anyway in Billingham) is causing our health problems.

I don't have a 'belief' system anyway, so how can I enforce it on you? I just look at things how I see them and have too many reservations for trusting the so called experts, and in my opinion, they don't appear right, safe or natural.

You come to this forum and you engage us on an issue which to us looks self evident, why then do you put up with our ridiculous thoughts? I have an 'open' mind not a 'closed or belief' mind, such as religion, where certain dogmas have to be followed and not allowed to stray from. I have told you that chemtrails may be harmless and that my suspicions may be wrong, and I hope they are, but as I said before, my instinct, not my belief tells me otherwise.

You seem to think that something can't be true unless it is 'proved' by someone with authority, like a professor, etc, who have been dragged through the top public schools and universities to serve the system, and then regurgitate the information through the media, etc to the rest of us. Countless people have found large amounts of barium and other heavy metals after constant spraying, but they are just ordinary people and are therefore dismissed.

[largejack]

Please Marpat take one last look at this website and ask your conscience does this really look normal. Forget all the evidence and counter evidence, just look at it and ask yourself does it look good or bad?

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies?z=3&c=4&n=1&m=-1&w=4&x=0&p=14

[i_am]

Would you guys like to get this thread back on track? If not, then I am going to split it and send the last pages to the rant room so that you can continue.

[marpat]

We haven't tried to force any 'beliefs' on you, if anything it is the other way round, as you basically think that if we're not rocket scientists or professors with loads of letters after our name, then we have to be wrong. For instance, you've tried to convince us that it is ICI (which doesn't really exist now anyway in Billingham) is causing our health problems.

I don't have a 'belief' system anyway, so how can I enforce it on you? I just look at things how I see them and have too many reservations for trusting the so called experts, and in my opinion, they don't appear right, safe or natural.

You come to this forum and you engage us on an issue which to us looks self evident, why then do you put up with our ridiculous thoughts? I have an 'open' mind not a 'closed or belief' mind, such as religion, where certain dogmas have to be followed and not allowed to stray from. I have told you that chemtrails may be harmless and that my suspicions may be wrong, and I hope they are, but as I said before, my instinct, not my belief tells me otherwise.

You seem to think that something can't be true unless it is 'proved' by someone with authority, like a professor, etc, who have been dragged through the top public schools and universities to serve the system, and then regurgitate the information through the media, etc to the rest of us. Countless people have found large amounts of barium and other heavy metals after constant spraying, but they are just ordinary people and are therefore dismissed.


If all this material is lying around then all you have to do is proved that it was sprayed from a plane. I will happily accept the theory if I see real evidence of that but I just don't trust vids. They are too easy to fake.

If all of these people have found stuff and been dismissed it could be many reasons. Who have they reported it to and why were they dismissed. Was there a chance that the stuff came from another source?

Another thing. If you all believe that the sky is full of chemtrails then how many of you personally have collected water samples containing barium? with all the lakes, streams and rivers in Britain it cannot be hard to gather the evidence if spraying is so widespread. I challenge you if you are so convinced to start collecting water samples from Teeside and finding out if they have barium in them. You did say there is loads of spraying in your areas so here is the chance to put your money where your mouth is. Please PM me if you get the samples.

[marpat]

Please Marpat take one last look at this website and ask your conscience does this really look normal. Forget all the evidence and counter evidence, just look at it and ask yourself does it look good or bad?

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies?z=3&c=4&n=1&m=-1&w=4&x=0&p=14

My conscience does not feel bad because I know better than to trust vague theories. I would feel bad if there was no doubt it was going on and I was trying to deny it, but that is not the case.

[i_am]

I took these from my hotel window in London last Thursday 22nd. They are not very clear as it was very overcast but nevertheless unmistakable.

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[largejack]

I acknowledge that's a really good idea, and if I haad the faintest idea about science, had a lab, and how to test it under both controlled and real conditions I would certainly oblige, but something tells me it would be hard to test by someone with limited scientific knowledge, and I wouldn't trust the results unless I was totally convinced there was no bias involved.

I know when the scientific organisation originally carried out tests for the lingering effects of depleted uranium the tests were carried out using agents and chemicals which deliberately picked up nothing.

Like I said, I'm not someone who swears blind by science like yourself, as results can be contradictory at best, my feelings on chemtrails are based on observation, the best science in my view, and the fact that I feel we are living in a world run by maniacs who would do anything to further their aims of mass control and globalisation. If that's wrong then so be it, I don't have any desire to prove anything to yourself.

[marpat]

I acknowledge that's a really good idea, and if I haad the faintest idea about science, had a lab, and how to test it under both controlled and real conditions I would certainly oblige, but something tells me it would be hard to test by someone with limited scientific knowledge, and I wouldn't trust the results unless I was totally convinced there was no bias involved.

I know when the scientific organisation originally carried out tests for the lingering effects of depleted uranium the tests were carried out using agents and chemicals which deliberately picked up nothing.

Like I said, I'm not someone who swears blind by science like yourself, as results can be contradictory at best, my feelings on chemtrails are based on observation, the best science in my view, and the fact that I feel we are living in a world run by maniacs who would do anything to further their aims of mass control and globalisation. If that's wrong then so be it, I don't have any desire to prove anything to yourself.

Who said you have to test it? you can gather the stuff then find a way of getting it analysed. There is nothing stopping you collecting loads of samples ready for the time you can get it analysed. It just shocks me that people talk about all this stuff but don't seem interested in getting out their to collect evidence and prove their theories.

Hold on, you say I swear blind by science? why just because I expect people to prove their theories? your FEELINGS on chemtrails are based on observation and you think that is going to convince people? it is not about proving it to just me. If you find the evidence then you prove it to everybody in the most blatant way, how about that?

[largejack]

Ok Marpat you have some valid points. What intrigues me though is that you seem permantely attached to this forum for several weeks. I can't understand how anyone who doesn't seem to believe what Icke says would spend so much time on his website at such short notice.:confused: You think you would have tired with a bunch of 'morons' like us by now;):D

[marpat]

Ok Marpat you have some valid points. What intrigues me though is that you seem permantely attached to this forum for several weeks. I can't understand how anyone who doesn't seem to believe what Icke says would spend so much time on his website at such short notice.:confused: You think you would have tired with a bunch of 'morons' like us by now;):D

I guess I like strong debates. If people like me didn't come in the forum would be full of people agreed with each other. Sometimes having an adversary (aargh Satan) helps people to strive that bit harder to get their point over, to test theories and beliefs.

As I have said many times I thought the whole idea was to ask questions not believe. I would have though David Icke is in his position now by asking questions and not believing.

If everybody in here collected water after supposed chem spraying, labelling the samples with dates and where they are from then I would think a large body of evidence would be collected. You could all make yourselves part of that process and in doing so potentially unravel a massive conspiracy. A few people may be dismissed but not a thousand. I would do it myself but I never see anything in this area that look like chemtrails.

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[largejack]

Dead right Marpat, I appreciate your guts for coming here. I know from personal experience the shit I receive when talking about matters such as these on other unrelated forums, and then I leave thinking I've said my bit; there's no use persisting with people who don't want to listen to this stuff and which sometimes makes them angry, even though I really don't mean to cause them any ill feelings.

I suppose I speak on these forums because because I can relate to like minded people, life is too stressful to argue in my free time, and I don't really argue although it does frustrate me how we appear to be manipulated and nobody seems to care. If the information here is true I'm sure it will become self evident in time, and when people are ready they may or may not change their perceptions of life. For me, I see the world around me, and I know that something sinister is going on, more and more freedoms are being taken away, politicians lie their way into Global conflicts where there can never be a winner, and after reading the book 1984 by George Orwell, the parallels to that and what's going on now are very acute.

An inner part of me has always felt the world is not what it appears, and one day I was in the library and the Biggest Secret appeared in front of my eyes, and it changed, sorry no, it awakened me from my sleep, and it freed me from the constraints and hypocrisy that religion offered.

I know we'll probably never agree, but does that matter, I think at the end of the day it is good that a debate can still be shared.

[mike2425]

When i watch the weather and they say "clear skies" they forget to include trails that become thin whispy looking cloud cover that ruins a clear day.......I sent the met office an e-mail asking them to do trail forecast, as they go as far as to do Chill factors, so why not trails and i have had no reply!!!! wonder why

[mike2425]

Try Lookin Harder, They Are All Over The Country....i Have Moved All Over The Country This Year And They Are Everywhere. I Have Made 32 Videos And Put Them On Youtube.

I Have Collected Rain Water Its Finding Somewhere To Test It! Any Ideas?

[beldazar]

Im with you on the forecast mike, tho where I live they dont spread out so Im lucky. For several days they havent even tried!

The news this morning showed a pic of the houses of parliament, the sky was pickled :(

[lottie]

This was yesterday taken over my house.....they were having a 'chemtastic' time LOL!!

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[lookfar]

Hey Lottster

Blimey babe could you have gotten those pics just a bit BIGGER cos I cant quite see em, lol:p:D

Yeah they were definitely out in force again here yesterday weren't they. The night before I noticed a few really long pink chemmies going right along the sky, let up by the sunset, how pretty - NOT!!

[lottie]

i know- i thought i did them smaller but they came out big- such a rigmarol to go farting about with them now so you'll have to lump it till i can be arsed blindo!!! lol!!:D:p;)

[lookfar]

i know- i thought i did them smaller but they came out big- such a rigmarol to go farting about with them now so you'll have to lump it till i can be arsed blindo!!! lol!!:D:p;)

Haha it's ok honey, tis good for us blindo's eh:p:D

[lottie]

THERE! Just for you, you big fat pain in the arse!!! LMAO!! :D:p

[lookfar]

THERE! Just for you, you big fat pain in the arse!!! LMAO!! :D:p

LOL cheeky moo, I didn't think you were gonna bother!:p But thanks, that's SO much better now.... just remember to get it right next time Miss Lottie & answer your bloody phone, I'm calling you!:p:D

[the_real_jazzroc]

Who said you have to test it? you can gather the stuff then find a way of getting it analysed. There is nothing stopping you collecting loads of samples ready for the time you can get it analysed. It just shocks me that people talk about all this stuff
WICKED PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW HAVE CONSPIRED TO CAUSE PASSENGER AVIATION ALL OVER THE WORLD TO SPRAY YOU WITH DEADLY MATERIALS DAILY FROM ABOVE UNTIL YOU ARE DEAD.but don't seem interested in getting out there to collect evidence and prove their theories.

Hold on, you say I swear blind by science? why just because I expect people to prove their theories? your FEELINGS on chemtrails are based on observation and you think that is going to convince people? it is not about proving it to just me. If you find the evidence then you prove it to everybody in the most blatant way, how about that?

What is wrong with what Marpat says here, Largejack? (I have outlined what "this stuff" is, just in case you forgot.)

[largejack]

Because he's accusing us of not getting off our arse and testing for chemtrails, while hypocritically he refuses to get off his arse and test to see if they're contrails. If the evidence that prove they are chemtrails is not deemed valid, then the evidence to prove they're not chemtrails is equally deemed not valid!!!

[the_real_jazzroc]

Because he's accusing us of not getting off our arse and testing for chemtrails, while hypocritically he refuses to get off his arse and test to see if they're contrails. If the evidence that prove they are chemtrails is not deemed valid, then the evidence to prove they're not chemtrails is equally deemed not valid!!!
Incorrect. I've tested engines and KNOW they produce contrails.

You claim for the properties of "chemtrails" what every aero-engineer KNOWS are the properties of contrails. It just you that doesn't - presumably because your belief system is stopping you in some way - because any technical library will show you to be wrong.

If someone insists there is a god called PHROOB who lives at the base of every rainbow, do the REST of us have to disprove this? Or does he have to prove this?

[largejack]

Bloomin hell

[largejack]

YESSS!!!! Of course, we all know contrails exist,:rolleyes: but please PROVE there are no chemtrails as well. For God's sake why don't you go and visit a contrail site and thread if you wanna talk contrails as if you haven't already noticed this thread is about CHEMTRAILS and not CONTRAILS?

[bardofely]

YESSS!!!! Of course, we all know contrails exist,:rolleyes: but please PROVE there are no chemtrails as well. For God's sake why don't you go and visit a contrail site and thread if you wanna talk contrails as if you haven't already noticed this thread is about CHEMTRAILS and not CONTRAILS?

Contrails are chemtrails. Chemtrails are contrails. They are made the same way and are identical in contents! The only difference is the word used to describe them. However, the term chemtrails brings with it a belief system, a scary belief system, which includes toxic metals, poisons, pesticides, viruses, supposed nanotechnology, psychiatric drugs like Valium and Prozac, blood, spores, fungi and even sinister plots to dumb down the populations, make them all weak and ready to succumb to a future plague that will be unleashed to kill most of the "useless eaters." Not forgetting Morgellons disease, also said to be caused by them.

People are scared and made depressed and paranoid by this information. Some who are already prone to mental and nervous problems are made much worse. I have read messages by people saying that their whole world outlook has been changed by their new knowledge of chemtrails. Many ask what can we do in this nightmare!

The answer is simple - there is only a manufactured nightmare and you don't have to believe in it and a lot of ice crystals in the sky!

Meanwhile there are very many other serious matters that people could be talking and doing something about!

And something else: last summer I went back to visit South Wales and as a CT-believer then was horrified to see persistent contrails all over the skies and all over the city. But there was one thing which didn't make any sense to me - I had understood that chemtrails poison the air and are a threat to life, however, I noted that lichens, which are a sign of clean air, were growing well in many places, much better than when I had left Wales two years before.

I also noticed that the people in general looked well under the chemtrailed skies, which they ignored - I didn't see any suffering respiratory or flulike illness. There were no people coughing and wheezing or gasping for breath. If anything the people of Cardiff looked fitter and happier!

And I never was able to make any sense of that until recently. Now I can - there was no threat to plants, animals and people from chemtrails because they were actually harmless contrails! The lichens were growing better than usual because the conditions had improved for them - it was wetter and the air was LESS polluted! The people who were not at all worried were wiser than I because there was nothing to worry about!

[howie]

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[howie]

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[the_real_jazzroc]

Of course, we all know contrails exist
You have a problem with knowledge and understanding. You say you "know" contrails exist, but you only "know" that because you believe that when you see a short contrail. You actually don't know that that short contrail might be a special form of "chemtrail", do you?

Then, when it comes to "being taught" something, you also don't know that education means "guide towards". In other words you are LED to a place from where you can TEACH YOURSELF on your own. Properly-educated people haven't been stuffed with parrot-fashion learn-by-rote crap - full-stop - as seems to have happened to you.

To get back to the point: any trained aerospace engineer passes his exams and continues his studies because he knows it's up to him to develop his understanding of the various subjects involved - one of which is the atmosphere. Earth's atmosphere has only been fully understood since the Second World War. But it is fully understood, and contrails in the stratosphere are fully understood as well. The papers on the atmosphere have all been on the Web since it began - so if you wanted to know about it there is nothing stopping you.

If you read them you would see that all properties ascribed to "chemtrails" are those consistent with contrails: your "chemtrails" ARE contrails, in humid stratospheric layers.

Because you fail to understand the stratosphere (which is essentially invisible) you then fail to understand what happens when passenger planes fly through it.

please PROVE there are no chemtrails as well
The PROOF is readily available to you: all you need do is pick up a book on atmospheric science. There's a pretty good set of outlines in WIKI, and a whole bunch of references for further reading.

this thread is about CHEMTRAILS and not CONTRAILS
Quite the reverse:
this thread is about CONTRAILS and not CHEMTRAILS

"Chemtrails" don't exist at all...

[beldazar]

REMINDER, this thread is called UK CHEMTRAILS, cant you read?

Go and make a new thread disputing them, this is the wrong thread for you

[krakhead]

REMINDER, this thread is called UK CHEMTRAILS, cant you read?

Go and make a new thread disputing them, this is the wrong thread for you

Wouldn't someone who purports to have evidence proving that chemtrails don't exist be entirely justified in posting them here?

Surely the idea of the forum should be to discuss differing points of view, with different sets of 'evidence' and try to come to a consensus over what they 'really' are?

If it was just people who believed in chemtrails here I'd imagine that it would just turn into a completely non-informative circle jerk, and surely that wouldn't help anyone develop a truer understanding of the world around them, I was under the impression that the majority of people on here were trying to do just that!

[lizzy]

REMINDER, this thread is called UK CHEMTRAILS, cant you read?

Go and make a new thread disputing them, this is the wrong thread for you

these naysayers and disinfo artists are only worth laughing at );)

[marpat]

these naysayers and disinfo artists are only worth laughing at );)

Here is your opportunity, prove all naysayers wrong with real, undeniable evidence and then you can laugh at us all you want. Oh, I forgot you can't or this would be a fact and not a conspiracy theory.:cool:

Beliefs lead to blindness and manipulation, questioning belief leads to truth.

[largejack]

Ok then Marpat you naysayer prove to us all that chemtrails do not exist. You keep reminding us of our ignorance about contrails ect but you have yet to show us your evidence that chemtrails do not exist:D You seem to think that we want this to be real to prove ourselves right it is not like that at all. Do you really think we want our skies to be poisioned??

[marpat]

Ok then Marpat you naysayer prove to us all that chemtrails do not exist. You keep reminding us of our ignorance about contrails ect but you have yet to show us your evidence that chemtrails do not exist:D You seem to think that we want this to be real to prove ourselves right it is not like that at all. Do you really think we want our skies to be poisioned??

Still in the realm of belief I see.

The sky is not poisoned but your thinking is.

Answer this, if chemtrails do not exist then how can you give evidence about or prove something that is not?????????? what you are asking is stupid.

Beliefs lead to blindness and manipulation, questioning belief leads to truth
Beliefs lead to blindness and manipulation, questioning belief leads to truth
Beliefs lead to blindness and manipulation, questioning belief leads to truth
Beliefs lead to blindness and manipulation, questioning belief leads to truth
Beliefs lead to blindness and manipulation, questioning belief leads to truth

[largejack]

Well you asked us to provide evidence that chemtrails exist so therefore you must be stupid as well then:D Go and test the water after a heavy day of spraying and tell me that there are not chemrails present in the fallout then

[marpat]

Well you asked us to provide evidence that chemtrails exist so therefore you must be stupid as well then:D Go and test the water after a heavy day of spraying and tell me that there are not chemrails present in the fallout then


Still in the realm of belief I see.

The sky is not poisoned but your thinking is.

Answer this, if chemtrails do not exist then how can you give evidence about or prove something that is not?????????? what you are asking is stupid.

Beliefs lead to blindness and manipulation, questioning belief leads to truth
Beliefs lead to blindness and manipulation, questioning belief leads to truth
Beliefs lead to blindness and manipulation, questioning belief leads to truth
Beliefs lead to blindness and manipulation, questioning belief leads to truth
Beliefs lead to blindness and manipulation, questioning belief leads to truth
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[marpat]

http://www.borderlands.com/contrails/contrail.htm

[largejack]

Thanks for the link Marpat. Of course I will take a look at the website. However, I'm a bit curious here, when I sent you websites you said they meant nothing, and now you're sending me one. Ok, hypocrite, I'll take a look at it.


I've read it mate. So sailors use contrails to determine the weather do they? What like "red sky at dawn, sailors warning!?" Load of crap mate, I thought you would have sent me more compelling evidence than this. I really did, there was no scientific study at all in the report you've just given me.

[marpat]

Thanks for the link Marpat. Of course I will take a look at the website. However, I'm a bit curious here, when I sent you websites you said they meant nothing, and now you're sending me one. Ok, hypocrite, I'll take a look at it.


I've read it mate. So sailors use contrails to determine the weather do they? What like "red sky at dawn, sailors warning!?" Load of crap mate, I thought you would have sent me more compelling evidence than this. I really did, there was no scientific study at all in the report you've just given me.

Well here it is, your trying to use the scientific proof basis to discount the link, which is exactly what I have been doing. What this proves is that you are happy to use such scrutiny when it suits you but you refuse to use such scrutiny against things that you BELIEVE in. I think your biased beliefs have now been exposed for what they are. :cool::cool::cool:

[largejack]

Well here it is, your trying to use the scientific proof basis to discount the link, which is exactly what I have been doing. What this proves is that you are happy to use such scrutiny when it suits you but you refuse to use such scrutiny against things that you BELIEVE in. I think your biased beliefs have now been exposed for what they are. :cool::cool::cool:

No mate, the disgusting brown sky and constant parallel lines in the sky tonight are all the evidence I need. Look mate! I have four kids all under the age 8. I'm not bothered about being right or scientific proof, etc, all I want is for them to enjoy the same free air and freedom in general that I experienced as a kid. We'll have to agree to differ, but I have to say that if you have kids I would reconsider your stance, no matter how much logic tells you these things can't be happening. Look there are too many people out there who couldn't care less about anything along as Coronation Street is still on the TV and Manchester United are still the team to beat. Marpat you're clearly intelligent, but maybe you are being indoctrinated, I don't know, but please, please consider your childrens' future. I have nothing further to say, and this time I will no longer reply to your threads, as I feel argumenting is pointless.

Please take care and (I really mean it) I hope you are right and I am wrong, but my heart tells me otherwise. Farewell.

[the_real_jazzroc]

all I want is for them to enjoy the same free air and freedom in general that I experienced as a kid.
There's no going back, apparently. When I was a four-year-old I frequently wandered for miles around the countryside to the west of York all day and until ten o'clock at night. Something you wouldn't have been able to do safely, LargeJack. Take it from me: the air is just as free as it ever was.

Anyway, something from WIKI on "chemtrails":

The United States Air Force describes the chemtrail theory as a "hoax", stating that "The "Chemtrail" hoax has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications". They answer each claim in the theory:

* Contrails can remain visible for very long periods of time with the lifetime a function of the temperature, humidity, winds, and aircraft exhaust characteristics.
* Contrails can form many shapes as they are dispersed by horizontal and vertical wind shear.
* Sunlight refracted or reflected from contrails can produce vibrant and eye-catching colors and patterns.
* Observation and scientific analysis of contrails and their duration date back to at least 1953.
* The National Airspace System of the United States is oriented in an east-west and north-south grid with aircraft flying at designated 2000-foot increments of elevation (1000 feet after the introduction of Reduced Vertical Separation Minima in 2002-2004).
* Contrails formed by aircraft may appear to form a grid as the winds disperse the contrails.
* More contrails are seen in recent years due to the growth in the civil aviation market.

Skeptical groups, including the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry, assert that contrails normally exhibit a wide variation in appearance and that the descriptions and photographs of chemtrails are consistent with those of ordinary contrails. The changeover from turbojet to turbofan engines over the last twenty years has caused differences in the style and temperature of jet exhaust, resulting in a different appearance from what conspiracy theorists remember contrails "used to look like". They also voice various objections to the idea of chemtrails:

* Depending on what the alleged purpose of the chemtrail spraying would be, spray released above 30,000 feet is likely to be dispersed in a highly unpredictable manner, due to high-altitude winds.
* Assuming drugging the population is the purpose, the people behind the conspiracy would breathe the same air the population breathes, so any harm inflicted on the population would also be inflicted on those perpetrating the conspiracy.
* Official and governmental bodies have consistently denied the existence of such spraying.
* To do this would require the cooperation and silence of a large number of low level employees of fuel/airline companies (either in the capacity of the contaminator or allowing the contamination to take place). It would be difficult to keep this a secret.
* The Discovery Channel program "Best Evidence" tested commercial jet fuel during an episode entitled "Chemical Contrails" in 2007 and found no significant traces of aluminum or sulfur.

[beldazar]

Wiki? Pmsl :d

[21_12_2012]

Wiki? Pmsl :d

:) :)

Move along people...nothing to see here...wiki says so....

[the_real_jazzroc]

Move along people...nothing to see here...wiki says so....
Apart from the unedifying vision of Belazar and 21_12_2012 doing an impression of Harry Enfield's "Double-take Brothers" (and eating the contents of their own bottoms), perhaps it might be instructive to SEE just what WIKI has to offer, and colour it up red (for material that subtle frightening forces of NWO darkness have added mind-altering wickedness to) and green, for "seekers after truth" to read without fear of "education".

It's my natural inclination to read BOTH (that way one can see who is a liar).

See also

* Global dimming
* Ship tracks
* HAARP
* Seattle Windshield Pitting Epidemic
* New World Order (conspiracy)

References

1. ^ Conspire This! Psychic Vibrations (Skeptical Inquirer November 2001)
2. ^ Jay Reynold's material
3. ^ William Thomas's website
4. ^ Chemtrails - Frequently Asked Questions
5. ^ Chemtrails - Contrails
6. ^ www. altnews. info/ chemtrails/ chemtrailsmokinggun
7. ^ Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Base
8. ^ www. lasvegastribune. com/ 20050909/ headline4
9. ^ www. columbusalive. com/ services/ services. php?story=columbusalive/ services/ about
10. ^ www. rense. com/ general18/ mn "Stormy Weather", 22 December 2001
11. ^ Space Preservation Act of 2001
12. ^ Contrail Facts USAF Document on contrails and the chemtrail "hoax"
13. ^ Chemtrails
14. ^ Contrails / Chemtrails Analysis
15. ^ Chemtrails article at navarrone.com
16. ^ Chemtrails - Contrails
17. ^ Chemtrails - Contrails
18. ^ Discovery Channel : Science, History, Space, Tech, Sharks, News
19. ^ article on TMAclouds on NASA web site
20. ^ Weather Modification, Inc. (Cloud Seeding, atmospheric research, rain enhancement, cloud physics)

External links
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Pro-chemtrail theory sites

* William Thomas - Investigative journalist who first reported on Chemtrails
* Aerosol Crimes and Cover-ups — allegations about government cover-ups
* Chemtrail Central — Information on chemtrails
* Anomalies Unlimited — Against "secret human experimentation"
* Lightwatcher.com — site with "proof of global geoengineering projects"
* Chemtrails911 — Evidence of chemtrails: US legislation & patents, military reports, videos, photos, news articles
* Holmestead chemtrails index — Large archive of articles relating to local chemical spraying in Canada
* Stop Chemtrails UK

Image links

* Chemtrail central image search — searchable database of purported chemtrail images
* Rense.com chemtrails data page — Links to purported chemtrail images and other resources

Chemtrails in the media

* NBC News 4, Los Angeles: Toxic Sky? Part 1 — Part one- short televised report into chemtrails in the Los Angeles area, and the wider implications
* NBC News 4, Los Angeles: Toxic Sky? Part 2 — Part two- short televised report into chemtrails in the Los Angeles area, and the wider implications

Skeptical links

* hans-egebo.dk — anti-chemtrail opinion
* New Mexicans for Science and Reason — a chemtrail debunking page
* Iangoddard.net — contrail analysis
* lacarte.org — collection of chemtrail debunking sources
* Chemtrails — article on Skeptics' Dictionary.
* Contrails- or 'Trails-con?' — A comprehensive look at what the author considers "A hoax;" Includes a timeline
* Contrail Science — Skeptical site, includes historical photos of persistent contrails.

Of associated interest

* Skywriting with chemicals video.

Further reading

* Thomas, William, "Stolen Skies: The Chemtrail Mystery", Earth Island Journal, July 1, 2002
* Smith, Jerry E, "Weather Warfare: The Military's Plan To Draft Mother Nature", Adventures Unlimited Press, December 30, 2006

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory"
Categories: Aviation | Conspiracy theories | Weather modification | Wright-Patterson Air Force Base

There you are... you may stir from the lake bottom... I've made it easy for you. You may ignore everything in red and remain ignoramuses.

After all, you have nothing to fear, except fear itself...

Hypocrisy seems to be an unknown concept to "seekers after truth" like you....

[21_12_2012]

There you are... you may stir from the lake bottom... I've made it easy for you. You may ignore everything in red and remain ignoramuses.

After all, you have nothing to fear, except fear itself...

Hypocrisy seems to be an unknown concept to "seekers after truth" like you....

YAWN !
So..being aware of something, is being in fear of it is it ?

err...ok then...

[eternal_spirit]

YAWN !
So..being aware of something, is being in fear of it is it ?

err...ok then...


......................

Mr jazzrocc obviously fears his ass will be on the line if his dis-information campaign achieves little if anything at all.

Everything is a setup because everything is a plan and they must make the plan come to fruition by causing the problems and so they are responsible for it in the first place, just like they're responsible for spraying the skies on a daily basis and at night as well. This stuff is coming down. It's in the rainwater. It's in the snow even in the wintertime and of course they can also cause this intense refraction of sunlight. Once you have the air saturated with metallic particles, billions and billions and trillions of tiny metallic particles, they act like mirrors you see and they reflect the light back and forth all the time so it simply doesn't hit the earth or bounce back and go into outer space. It's bouncing through all these mirrors and this is causing the warming effect and this has been noticed in previous years when they've been spraying heavily. They cause the problem, sure, and then they blame the public for causing it and unfortunately it works pretty well because the public never look up at the sky. ( more are taking note now )

[marpat]

No mate, the disgusting brown sky and constant parallel lines in the sky tonight are all the evidence I need. Look mate! I have four kids all under the age 8. I'm not bothered about being right or scientific proof, etc, all I want is for them to enjoy the same free air and freedom in general that I experienced as a kid. We'll have to agree to differ, but I have to say that if you have kids I would reconsider your stance, no matter how much logic tells you these things can't be happening. Look there are too many people out there who couldn't care less about anything along as Coronation Street is still on the TV and Manchester United are still the team to beat. Marpat you're clearly intelligent, but maybe you are being indoctrinated, I don't know, but please, please consider your childrens' future. I have nothing further to say, and this time I will no longer reply to your threads, as I feel argumenting is pointless.

Please take care and (I really mean it) I hope you are right and I am wrong, but my heart tells me otherwise. Farewell.

I live in Britain too and just don't see this sort of thing going on. I do feel that people often see what they want to see.

I have kids so I am in the same boat, but my kids have no breathing trouble, health problems, etc

Don't get me wrong, I am all for the people over the government as I think they are slimey, greedy shits. At the end of the day I am working class too, but my days of accepting things at face value have long gone. To get the interest of people you have to be able to hit them with something that cannot be explained away, this is why you need some real hard evidence. If I can push people to prove me wrong by getting that evidence than have I not done you a favour?

[beldazar]

why are you even contributing to this thread when you dont even see them in the sky? Perhaps if you were inundated with them you would change your mind (or perhaps not)

[marpat]

why are you even contributing to this thread when you dont even see them in the sky? Perhaps if you were inundated with them you would change your mind (or perhaps not)


Well perhaps that proves that the nation is not being poisoned.:cool::cool:

There are many military aircraft flying around this region but no chemtrails so what does that suggest??? OMG maybe there are not trails OMG :eek:

[beldazar]

and your point is??? :confused:

Im not 100% it is to poison us, they target the sun where I am, following its path through the sky

[marpat]

and your point is??? :confused:

Im not 100% it is to poison us, they target the sun where I am, following its path through the sky


WTF. Man I want a pint of what you are on :D:D:cool:

[beldazar]

ran out of something intelligent to say?

P.S I already invited you down here to see for yourself if you remember

[marpat]

ran out of something intelligent to say?

Yeah, I think the drag of your mind has really drained me.

[beldazar]

ooops, your slipping marpat........bosses wont be too pleased!

[marpat]

ooops, your slipping marpat........bosses wont be too pleased!


Why are they in the forum?

[steevo]

and your point is??? :confused:

Im not 100% it is to poison us, they target the sun where I am, following its path through the sky

I agree. It's nearly EVERY day now that there is a long line of the darkest clouds along the path that the sun takes. I have shown my other half and she agrees. She doesnt NECESSARY believe in the conspiracy stuff but she definitely agrees that the clouds seem to be in the same place each day (blocking the sun on it's path).

[marpat]

I agree. It's nearly EVERY day now that there is a long line of the darkest clouds along the path that the sun takes. I have shown my other half and she agrees. She doesnt NECESSARY believe in the conspiracy stuff but she definitely agrees that the clouds seem to be in the same place each day (blocking the sun on it's path).

Not where I am then. Maybe I should pop round to visit you and see for myself

[steevo]

Not where I am then. Maybe I should pop round to visit you and see for myself

Do they allow you to make visits ?

[marpat]

Do they allow you to make visits ?

As a free man I can go where I please. Are you restricted in where you can travel?

[steevo]

As a free man I can go where I please. Are you restricted in where you can travel?

No but your masters are trying to arrange that now arent they :cool: If you want a pointless argument, then start a new thread please.

[the_real_jazzroc]

Poor paranoids.

Nasty clouds blocking the sun.

Of course they didn't do that in OUR day.

It's the cunning way they KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, now they are using modern (psychic) technology, derived from REVERSE ORGONE NANOTECHNOLOGY.

Specially-trained NANNITES (carefully created from resin shavings encapsulated in metal) co-ordinate in groups to irradiate barium-ridden test subjects (like you) in order to simultaneously give you chest pains as you go out to the ORGONE ANTI-CHEMTRAIL DRUM SHOPS, while feeding back precise directions to NWO-trained pilots to adjust their flights to keep them between the Sun and YOU.

Life's hardly worth living, is it?

[steevo]

Poor paranoids.

Nasty clouds blocking the sun.

Of course they didn't do that in OUR day.

It's the cunning way they KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, now they are using modern (psychic) technology, derived from REVERSE ORGONE NANOTECHNOLOGY.

Specially-trained NANNITES (carefully created from resin shavings encapsulated in metal) co-ordinate in groups to irradiate barium-ridden test subjects (like you) in order to simultaneously give you chest pains as you go out to the ORGONE ANTI-CHEMTRAIL DRUM SHOPS, while feeding back precise directions to NWO-trained pilots to adjust their flights to keep them between the Sun and YOU.

Life's hardly worth living, is it?

It will soon because your masters are losing the fight so dont give up.

What's your signature all about anyway ?

Bloody trolls.

[the_real_jazzroc]

It will (be) soon because your masters are losing the fight so don't give up.
I'm retired and living in sunny Tenerife, Steevo, right next to the airport, which I use frequently. I SEE them filling the planes from the departure lounge. Strangely, I HAVE NEVER SEEN the "chemtrail" filling procedure, EVEN when I watch a plane with a 45 minute turn-around. Why is that? Could it be that "chemtrails" don't exist?

I have no "masters" (but my wife might object to that!) Would you be happy with a writ for slander?

What's your signature all about anyway?
I'm trying to prod you out of your DREAM, Steevo, and help you climb back up the evolutionary scale to "human being".

Bloody trolls.
Yes, with your vicious slanders, your paranoid behaviours, your laziness and complete lack of capability, that's JUST what you are!

[steevo]

I'm retired and living in sunny Tenerife, Steevo, right next to the airport, which I use frequently. I SEE them filling the planes from the departure lounge. Strangely, I HAVE NEVER SEEN the "chemtrail" filling procedure, EVEN when I watch a plane with a 45 minute turn-around. Why is that? Could it be that "chemtrails" don't exist?

I have no "masters" (but my wife might object to that!) Would you be happy with a writ for slander?


I'm trying to prod you out of your DREAM, Steevo, and help you climb back up the evolutionary scale to "human being".


Yes, with your vicious slanders, your paranoid behaviours, your laziness and complete lack of capability, that's JUST what you are!

Trying to "prod" me out of my dream eh ? :cool: Piss off.

Just because YOU havent seen them filling up doesnt mean a thing. Maybe it's top secret and millitary for example ?

Yes do me a writ for slander and stop THREATHENING to do it. All hot air from you.

[steevo]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=112

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=111

[largejack]

Don't waste your time talking to these prats Steevo they just aint worth it:D We all need to talk chemtrails and post our piccies of them and keep this thread as it was. I will post some more piccies later

[lookfar]

Don't waste your time talking to these prats Steevo they just aint worth it:D We all need to talk chemtrails and post our piccies of them and keep this thread as it was. I will post some more piccies later

I agree largejack, this thread has been through the wringer it seems:eek: It'll be good to get it back on track now, so post away those pics....:)

[eyepod]

help you climb back up the evolutionary scale to "human being".

Yes, with your vicious slanders, your paranoid behaviours, your laziness and complete lack of capability, that's JUST what you are!

Now thats what I call slander. Ironic hey?

When I was at school the science and maths super nerds were really the ones that needed to "climb back up the evolutionary scale". Yeh they could do great things with numbers and bunsen burners but they sucked at every day life and everything else outside their little sphere. Science is their relegion.

You seem to protest about this chemtrails stuff just a little too much jazzroc and a little over zealously. Have you got shares in a kerosene, aluminium, barium refining co. or is someone else paying you?

[lookfar]

Now thats what I call slander. Ironic hey?

Hmm yes, he seems to have left the building now though:)

[bardofely]

Hmm yes, he seems to have left the building now though:)

JazzRoc has been banned! Just because people don't like how he communicates doesn't mean he is wrong and that was a lesson for me.

Unfortunately by banning JazzRoc here and at YouTube the chemtrails debate become a onesided one where only "believers" get to talk to other believers and potential "converts" and where "debunkers" who are outside this chemtrail belief box are prevented from having their say.

[lookfar]

JazzRoc has been banned! Just because people don't like how he communicates doesn't mean he is wrong and that was a lesson for me.

Unfortunately by banning JazzRoc here and at YouTube the chemtrails debate become a onesided one where only "believers" get to talk to other believers and potential "converts" and where "debunkers" who are outside this chemtrail belief box are prevented from having their say.

As I've just pointed out in your other thread, any moderation issues need to be taken up via PM with a Forum Advisor or the Forum Manager. Please do that rather than posting all over the forum.

Thanks:)

[truthseeker1980]

JazzRoc has been banned! Just because people don't like how he communicates doesn't mean he is wrong and that was a lesson for me.

Unfortunately by banning JazzRoc here and at YouTube the chemtrails debate become a onesided one where only "believers" get to talk to other believers and potential "converts" and where "debunkers" who are outside this chemtrail belief box are prevented from having their say.

He does come across as knowing what he is talking about but as soon as you show him evidence of spraying, he avoids the questions and throws off topic answers into the equation to try and confuse.

I can see straight through him, he admits that they spray chaff, he admits that they cloud seed, but is adament that they dont spray, forgive me for being stupid but both thoses examples of what he admits to, would involve spraying of some sort. He then adds more confusion to the situation by bringing crop spraying or an ice halo around the sun into the equation, what the fuck they have to do with proving that chemtrails are contrails still baffles me.

He seems to argue the ice theory a lot but ICE has and always will form in the sky, no matter if there are planes or not.

[marpat]

Trying to "prod" me out of my dream eh ? :cool: Piss off.

Just because YOU havent seen them filling up doesnt mean a thing. Maybe it's top secret and millitary for example ?

Yes do me a writ for slander and stop THREATHENING to do it. All hot air from you.


Or MAYBE your deluded. Who is my master? do you work, if so then do you not have a boss? a boss is not a master, well not in my world anyway.

[marpat]

Don't waste your time talking to these prats Steevo they just aint worth it:D We all need to talk chemtrails and post our piccies of them and keep this thread as it was. I will post some more piccies later

Yeah, let us not actually be forced into debate on the subject. A forum is for debating issues not believing in only one side.

Lets post pics to bolster each others belief but let us do nothing to actually prove what they are.

[largejack]

Yeah, let us not actually be forced into debate on the subject. A forum is for debating issues not believing in only one side.

Yeah and this thread is on about chemtrails. If you don't believe in them then fine but why waste your time ranting on about that fact:confused:

[steevo]

Or MAYBE your deluded. Who is my master? do you work, if so then do you not have a boss? a boss is not a master, well not in my world anyway.

Youre the one who is deluded Cowpat. You think by doing what you are doing on here that you are doing yourself a favour when in fact your MASTER is laughing at you, you fool. You are joining in with the people who are traitors to this country. YOU are a traitor to everyone in this country including yourself, your friends (which I doubt you have any) and your family. That is MY opinion.

[lookfar]

Hey guys, can we try to keep this thread on topic a bit please:)

Thanks:)

[bardofely]

He does come across as knowing what he is talking about but as soon as you show him evidence of spraying, he avoids the questions and throws off topic answers into the equation to try and confuse.

I can see straight through him, he admits that they spray chaff, he admits that they cloud seed, but is adament that they dont spray, forgive me for being stupid but both thoses examples of what he admits to, would involve spraying of some sort. He then adds more confusion to the situation by bringing crop spraying or an ice halo around the sun into the equation, what the fuck they have to do with proving that chemtrails are contrails still baffles me.

He seems to argue the ice theory a lot but ICE has and always will form in the sky, no matter if there are planes or not.

I brought the sun halo into the equation because as I have repeatedly explained it was the main factor that allowed me to see that what I was calling chemtrails and chemclouds are nothing of the sort but are contrails and clouds of ice crystals that have come from them. My logic says if a sun halo in the presence of persistent contrails (of the types seen in photos and videos and called chemtrails) is only there because of ice crystals, same as the ones around the moon, then the trails and the clouds are what made the halo and can only be ice crystals. The halo wouldn't have been there without them. If I multiply this conclusion to apply to all the other trails I have seen for nearly a decade and by all the ones I have seen pictures and videos of then it seems pretty logical for me to conclude that they are and were all made of harmless ice crystals! No chemicals! No chemtrails - just contrails and clouds and halos! All harmless! I don't know why you can't understand that. I have tried explaining over and over.

[beldazar]

Why do you think you should force anyone to accept your view? I can make my own mind up thankyou very much and the same goes for the rest of us! I have been under the same skies for 42 years, I know what I see and feel.

Its really not my problem you have never heard of ice crystals :rolleyes:

[lizzy]

I see what your doing here. I should know "don't feed the trolls" - bye Marpat, hope your goat roasting goes well.

you've got another one there beldazar:)..........:eek::eek::eek:

[beldazar]

yep, sadly its looking that way! :D

[bardofely]

Why do you think you should force anyone to accept your view? I can make my own mind up thankyou very much and the same goes for the rest of us! I have been under the same skies for 42 years, I know what I see and feel.

Its really not my problem you have never heard of ice crystals :rolleyes:

How am I trying to force anyone into accepting my views? I have merely been stating my experiences and conclusions and for your benefit restating them with additional explanation because you said you could not understand!

Of course I have heard of ice crystals - that is central to my argument and realisation - I knew they caused halos around the moon so why was I not able to see they did the same around the sun, and why was I not able to see that the same stuff was what was in the trails must be ice crystals? Answer my belief was overriding this!

[truthseeker1980]

No, that still doesn't hold any weight in my eyes, I can sort of see what you are talking about but just because there is an ice halo around the sun or moon at the same time as you see a chemtrail doesn't mean that the composition of the chemtrail can only be water.

How can that be a conclusion to prove that chemtrails are just the normal contrails? As I have said before ice has always formed in the sky and caused a halo effect around either the moon or sun, what then would seeing a chemtrail in the sky at the same time as the halo around the sun have to do with proving that there is nothing being sprayed in the sky.

The fact that your friend or other alliase Jazzroc, clearly admitted to knowing they cloud seed, spray metallic particles into the sky and even that HAARP exists, is enough to completely pull apart all of his and your crap about there being no such thing as chemtrails and that it's all just ice. Unless of course you are really, really stupid and dont realise that to cloud seed, spray mettalic particles and HAARP, would involve spraying stuff from a plane into the sky.

You both contradict what you are both trying to defend, which then obviously makes us suspicious as to why you are both so passionate about defending the idea that they spray stuff in the sky on a regular basis.

Again I can see a criss crossed chemtrail in the sky as we speak.

[bardofely]

No, that still doesn't hold any weight in my eyes, I can sort of see what you are talking about but just because there is an ice halo around the sun or moon at the same time as you see a chemtrail doesn't mean that the composition of the chemtrail can only be water.

How can that be a conclusion to prove that chemtrails are just the normal contrails? As I have said before ice has always formed in the sky and caused a halo effect around either the moon or sun, what then would seeing a chemtrail in the sky at the same time as the halo around the sun have to do with proving that there is nothing being sprayed in the sky.

The fact that your friend or other alliase Jazzroc, clearly admitted to knowing they cloud seed, spray metallic particles into the sky and even that HAARP exists, is enough to completely pull apart all of his and your crap about there being no such thing as chemtrails and that it's all just ice. Unless of course you are really, really stupid and dont realise that to cloud seed, spray mettalic particles and HAARP, would involve spraying stuff from a plane into the sky.

You both contradict what you are both trying to defend, which then obviously makes us suspicious as to why you are both so passionate about defending the idea that they spray stuff in the sky on a regular basis.

Again I can see a criss crossed chemtrail in the sky as we speak.


To explain further - I had never seen sun halos (apart from in photos) until persistent contrails became a common sight, I know there are other chemtrail believers who feel the sun halos are being caused by what they call chemtrails. I have only ever seen these halos in much-trailed skies. Putting two and two together it seems obvious that they are made by the white stuff from the trails.

Now if the stuff making the halos turns out to be ice then so does the other white cloud and trails that make it!

If I had taken photos of such trails present at the same time as a sun halo and posted them or shown them to a chemtrail believer they would without a doubt say "chemtrails!" As I would have done and did do too!

Next, how can you say that JazzRoc is an alias? Have you had a look at anything about him or me? He is a guy that lives in this island that I did some music with and was introduced to a couple of years back. He is a scientist and non-believer in God/spirit and a man who has never seen UFOs or ghosts or other paranormal phenomena. I am the opposite - a non-scientist who did badly at physics and chemistry in school, and I am a believer in God/spirit and a person who has seen UFOs, ghosts and other paranormal phenomena. JazzRoc and I had blazing rows online and at one point I reacted by telling him to fuck off and blocked him at Myspace. That incident is recorded in his blog! He only started his now infamous "debunking" campaign because of me. He hadn't heard about chemtrails until he heard me on about them and saw I posted about them. I had known about them for many years having found the term first in Nexus magazine probably about 10 years back. JazzRoc doesn't read such publications so how would he know about them? I have been a conspiracy theorist/factist for 30 years or more, unlike JazzRoc, who as he keeps saying is a scientist.

Where do I contradict myself? Please tell me and I will endeavour to explain.

And finally with my new understanding I would suggest that what you are seeing in the sky is a persistent contrail above another persistent contrail. Because the trails persist they are bound to appear on top of each other at times and thus forming crosses and grids. What else can they do? I have seen them here at times and would have said, how terrible, chemtrails! Now I say there's a couple more persistent contrails, nothing to worry about, and get on with my day!

[truthseeker1980]

Where dont you lot contradict, i think would be a more suitable question.

You contradict with the fact that you, Marpat and Jazzroc answer, "this is nothing new" about the germ war cloud, the seeding of clouds and chaff.

Again you chose to ignore that BLATANT bit of evidence and argue that they dont spray anything in the sky. It actually laughable.

How did they get that germ cloud in the sky?

How do they seed clouds?

How does the mettalic particles used for HAARP and chaff get in the sky?

BY SPRAYING STUFF FROM A PLANE.

Your arguments are backed up by nothng other than how ice forms at altitude, which is what i learnt at shool and I know the difference between a CHEMTRAIL and CONTRAIL.

[eternal_spirit]

The halo effect around the moon sun, is the polymers from the chemtrails.

[marpat]

Youre the one who is deluded Cowpat. You think by doing what you are doing on here that you are doing yourself a favour when in fact your MASTER is laughing at you, you fool. You are joining in with the people who are traitors to this country. YOU are a traitor to everyone in this country including yourself, your friends (which I doubt you have any) and your family. That is MY opinion.

Ouch my feelings are hurt. My master eh? but if a domination fetish going on have you?
Am I a traitor for having opinions? I think not but I think you're a biased, oppressive, fool to deny people freedom to choose what they think. I never told people what to think, just asked them to prove their theories. BIG difference.


Guess you are on the dole then, accepting my tax money to keep you alive.

[marpat]

The halo effect around the moon sun, is the polymers from the chemtrails.


Nope it is ice crystals in the atmosphere

[marpat]

Why do you think you should force anyone to accept your view? I can make my own mind up thankyou very much and the same goes for the rest of us! I have been under the same skies for 42 years, I know what I see and feel.

Its really not my problem you have never heard of ice crystals :rolleyes:

Well I have never heard of feelings being considered as proof.

[marpat]

Where dont you lot contradict, i think would be a more suitable question.

You contradict with the fact that you, Marpat and Jazzroc answer, "this is nothing new" about the germ war cloud, the seeding of clouds and chaff.

Again you chose to ignore that BLATANT bit of evidence and argue that they dont spray anything in the sky. It actually laughable.

How did they get that germ cloud in the sky?

How do they seed clouds?

How does the mettalic particles used for HAARP and chaff get in the sky?

BY SPRAYING STUFF FROM A PLANE.

Your arguments are backed up by nothng other than how ice forms at altitude, which is what i learnt at shool and I know the difference between a CHEMTRAIL and CONTRAIL.


Well prove it with something solid not some crap youtube vid by a supposed phd. Vids like that are esay to fake because you don't get to see all the links in the chain and are left to assume that the links are there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you see plane making a contrial then a puddle with some froth in it that looks 'wierd'. Wow absolute proof. There is no effort to find if the supposed chemicals in the water have come from any ground based source and you are LEAD to BELIEVE that something has been air delivered.

Do you know anything about chaff? I know because a plane dropped some behind work a few years ago and we picked it up. I also know what it looks like on radar and that it can cause cancer if ingested.

[howie]

1:30 today

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7952/18june2008032smallmz3.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4356/18june2008057smallso0.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4889/18june2008052smallsp5.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/3268/18june2008138smallmu3.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2954/18062008151135bt6.jpg

[lookfar]

Blimey howie they're hitting you hard today aren't they!:(

Have no idea whats happening here today as it's grey & windy. Had lots over the sunset last night but my phone camera has packed up so couldn't get any pics, I think Lottie grabbed a few though.

[largejack]

Look at mine day before last

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/Picture426.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/Picture430.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/deborah1978/Picture422.jpg

[niftygifter]

Well prove it with something solid not some crap youtube vid by a supposed phd. Vids like that are esay to fake because you don't get to see all the links in the chain and are left to assume that the links are there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you see plane making a contrial then a puddle with some froth in it that looks 'wierd'. Wow absolute proof. There is no effort to find if the supposed chemicals in the water have come from any ground based source and you are LEAD to BELIEVE that something has been air delivered.

Do you know anything about chaff? I know because a plane dropped some behind work a few years ago and we picked it up. I also know what it looks like on radar and that it can cause cancer if ingested.

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies?p=10&n=1&m=-1&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=3

Nifty:cool:

[howie]

4pm today

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/6253/21072008163042co4.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9291/21072008163122kx5.jpg

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7063/21072008163145js7.jpg

The trail is still lingering in the sky nearly 50 minutes later....

[antinwo]

It has not been nice in Teesside today the worst I have ever seen. Lovely blue sky followed by numerous planes going backwards and forwards leaving persistent trails and then within hours the sky turned silver :mad:

[steevo]

There were tons of chem-trails where I was today and they went along the same path that the sun takes YET AGAIN.

[jim fear]

I dont know anything about Chemtrails but i have had pretty bad brething problems since 05' i just woke up and couldn't breath well anymore.

Can someone message me about how to put up pictures I have some which I'd like to post onhere but im not sure how to go about it. I dont know for sure if they are chemtrails but i watched a plane go over and the vaper trail fades in minutes/seconds you can see it fade if you watch closely however the one in my pictures just hangs there quite low in the sky.

[steevo]

Hi Jim
Hear is a link to a tutorial put together by our very own LimeLady, showing how to upload photos :-
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30387
Hope it helps mate. If it dont, then blame LimeLady ;):D

[peejay]

Ive noticed a hell of alot of chemtrails in sky just, never seen this many before in my area, most of the sky is covered
just thought id share a few pics i took on my phone..

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7499/dsc02574hs0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4002/dsc02575zs5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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[rixxmixxhell]

Yes loads. See a few in teeside today, not many though, 4 at most on a criss cross. Didnt stick though.

Thanks for sharing.

Rick

[seeker1111]

EEK!

That's no good.