UK Chemtrails

[lookfar]

Strange you should say that lookfar, it's the same here. Clear blue skys. Still plenty of planes but no chemtrails, just contrails disappearing almost immediately. :)

Yeah it's freaky isn't it! Glad to hear its the same with you, but WTF is going on?:confused: It's a sad fact when we think it's weird when there are NO chemtrails, but I'm certainly pleased for having a break as we've been getting hit hard lately. Perhaps they've already given us our dose for the week or something, lol!:rolleyes:

[qasrose]

here one I took , clear skies here too, just con trails. mabet people are using a "chembuster" lol

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/100_0677.jpg

[shodan]

I have spotted many in the blue skies over County Durham today, a number of criss-crosses, and a few like this - ) as if the've turned back on themselves. I don't bother mentioning them now, as no-one is interested. The missus thinks I'm mad and getting obsessed, which I find a shame :(

Unfortunately they have been crop dusting the whole of the North East viirtually every day for at leat the last 1 1/2 years that I 've been watching them (I'm on the other side of the river, and used to work and have friends in Durham).

Some mornings after they have sprayed early there is no sky left what so ever, just an impenentrable electronic haze, and people just get up and head off to work - what a downer :mad:

[carlperkins]

Same here in Grimsby, again, days of really clear blue skies, normal contrails on the 2 flight paths. It'll change back to shit again I bet, especially now I've written on here. Cloudy and wet today and some of yesterday. I remember seeing a TV show that had references to how contrails kept temperatures down. The evidence given was a noticed increase in temperature (in USA) as a result of cancelled flights after 911. I've noticed chemtrails since I was a kid, but only last year started to find "conspiracy" theories about them. This HAARP stuff is insane, I pray to illusion it's not true.

I remember a "World at War" TV doc that showed long trails behind WW2 bombers that would help lead fighters to find them. Would these have been planned chemtrails or something else? The combustion engine and flight had only been relatively recently invented. These were primitive days, surely they wouldn't have had "chemtrail" agendas then.

There is a famous painting by Nash of a dogfight in WW2 that features big trails:
http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/content/images/2007_0419.JPG
(Wow, I managed to paste my first image! A miracle, that was easy! I can have much more fun now!)

I took loads of photographs of chemtrails last weekend, how do you find out about downloding them?

[saab1981]

Unfortunately they have been crop dusting the whole of the North East viirtually every day for at leat the last 1 1/2 years that I 've been watching them (I'm on the other side of the river, and used to work and have friends in Durham).

Some mornings after they have sprayed early there is no sky left what so ever, just an impenentrable electronic haze, and people just get up and head off to work - what a downer :mad:

It sure is depressing mate. It is literally every clear blue day that they are there. I often get up at 5:30am, and they are there even then, gradually spreading wider over a couple of hours. I saw one the other day that looked exactly like a question mark. Absolutely nobody on the ground seems aware, or even interested.

[rynath]

Mixed Messages


http://www.coasttocoastam.com/timages/page/Cloud_Heart021408a.jpg

[beldazar]

hehehe, i was wondering when that would happen, i noticed that they did semi-circles in the air last week, they sure are bored! Watch out for graffiti next! :D Surely people will notice them then, but then they may think they are just aerodynamics :(

[ssyx]

Some pics i took last week in London.

[lookfar]

Good pics ssyx, thanks for sharing :) They were pretty heavy last week weren't they! I've not seen any down here for nearly a week now though & WTF is going on? I'm not by any means complaining, but it's just very weird to not see them for that long lately :confused:

[ownedtbh]

yeh there have been none around my area aswell just clear blue skys all week have they stopped everywhere or are people still expericening them? :confused: :confused:

[dizzykush]

Yep none here too, all blue sky!

Does anyone see sometimes a slight green filter to daylight, its mad i know, just like the matrix, but i couldnt explain it to myself.

[thirdwave]

mmmm i guess come to think of it ...today the sky was pretty clear....

I would not say its been like that for a while though... but defo did notice how nice the sky looked...

[beldazar]

Ha clear skies down here all week, maybe the chembusters are sorting it out ;) My one is meant to be a range of 140 miles by the way

[carlperkins]

Clear skies all around for a few days followed by thck fog. Over the last year of monitoring the skies, I know it sounds stupid, but clear skies seem to always be followed by days of chemtrails and then crappy chem-clouds again.

I remember the news reporting the storm at the last Glastonbury festival, it seemed to be too much of a coincidence. In the Woodstock movie there are eye-witness accounts of cloud seeding taking place. I trust the powers that be not.

[lookfar]

Oh bollox guys, I knew it was too good to be true!!:rolleyes: I've just looked out the window at work & we've got some weird criss cross chemmies back today, humph!! I'll see if I can get some pics, but it's a bit tricky at the mo.... How are things with the rest of the country, still clear skies I hope?

[carlperkins]

As cloudy as pants today, like yesterday, hopefully it'll clear later.

[lookfar]

Yeah it's been a bit like that here today too. Started off with some sun, but did spot a few chemmies & now we have complete cloud cover - bit weird!

[saab1981]

It's weird, up here (NE england) we've had clear blue skies for 5 days in a row, and not a single chemtrail! What's going on there?!

[ownedtbh]

i was told by my friend that the chemtrials seem to stop a few times a year then start up again i am expecting them to be back soon....

[carlperkins]

Today it is cloudy again, with some rain. Yesterday I got out to Cleethorpes in the afternoon and the clouds started to clear. Up above them....long thick chemtrails! What a surprise. That too is common though, when the lower clouds clear chemtrails are often visible above them.

[magicmerlin]

t's weird, up here (NE england) we've had clear blue skies for 5 days in a row, and not a single chemtrail! What's going on there?!

It's a nice way to let the toxins build up and then spray to bring them down and make people sick, or a nice way to make sure the temperature of the earth breaks a new 'average' :o

[dizzykush]

http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2102080829yz1.jpg

just when things were getting better, tut:mad:

http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2102080747ax3.jpg

also a couple of black chemi's
these were above the clouds, on this very windy day!!

[lookfar]

Hey dizzy :)

Thanks for sharing your pics, I knew it was too good to be true, gggrrr!!:(

I was having trouble viewing them so have just edited your post to fix the link, I hope you don't mind :)

[dizzykush]

Hey dizzy :)

Thanks for sharing your pics, I knew it was too good to be true, gggrrr!!:(

I was having trouble viewing them so have just edited your post to fix the link, I hope you don't mind :)

Thanks Lookfar, dunno why it wouldnt load?

[dizzykush]

More today as well!!

http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2202080906jl8.jpg


http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9961/2202080906sa9.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2202080907bj6.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5338/2202080907bj6.jpg

Fuck it is so windy today, also anyone see the moon last night?
Had a glow about it!

[peachped]

Fuck it is so windy today, also anyone see the moon last night?
Had a glow about it!

Yes it did it was very beautiful, but When I went to look at it a little later it was swathed in chemmies the rats!

Found this report on Rense earlier today ;
http://www.rense.com/general80/closeup.htm

[lookfar]

Yes it did it was very beautiful, but When I went to look at it a little later it was swathed in chemmies the rats!

Found this report on Rense earlier today ;
http://www.rense.com/general80/closeup.htm

Hey peachped (I'm loving your avs :))

I didn't get to see the moon Thursday night as we had cloud here (as per bloody usual on a full moon), but did get to see it last night. Wow it was gorgeous but also had a glow around it too, which might've been attributed to chemmies.

Thanks for the rense link. I found exactly the same thing when flying upto Scotland last year, they're bloody everywhere, flying right past the window - no-one takes the blindest bit of notice & there was me clicking away with my phone camera like a nutter, lol!:eek::rolleyes:

[howie]

I haven't seen many so far this year but they're back with a vengeance today. We usually get 2 flying together at high altitude, today they came in 2 groups of 4 followed by another 2 within half an hour. The trails lingered in the sky for over an hour afterwards.

http://www.911archive.info/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_trail5.JPG
http://www.911archive.info/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_trail1_%28Small%29.JPG
http://www.911archive.info/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_trail4.JPG
http://www.911archive.info/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_trail3.JPG
http://www.911archive.info/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/trail2.JPG
http://www.911archive.info/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/24_Feb_2008_-small.jpg
http://www.911archive.info/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/24_Feb_2008_small.jpg
http://www.911archive.info/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/24feb08a.jpg
http://www.911archive.info/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/planeclose24feb.GIF

[cruise4]

With the full moon we've had lately I've been able to see trails at night. Anyone else been looking? Some days we seem to have more planes than cars round here!

[lookfar]

Good pics there howie, you zoomed into that plane really well, wish my camera was as good as that. They have been out in force with you haven't they:( Are you in the UK?

Cruise4, we've had cloud here for the last few days but I did manage to see the moon for a bit on Friday night, but didn't spot any. I know they like to do them at all times, especially at night:( Did you manage to get any pics?

[2013]

Thishas probably been said before but one of the reason for the chemtrails could be to create a better screen for holographic images .My girlfreind saw a huge black triangular craft fly overheadabout 3 weeks back , posted in the ufo section about it .The thing was it was ttoally silent but it shimered like it was underwater she said .That made her think it iwas interdimensional
but although i acceptthat the rational part of me says if they projected these images they would be silent as though they have the speaker technology to project sound it is a lot easier to just use images and make it look like far superior craft with no sound ,Im not saying i believe that just something to bear in mind as part of the reason behind the trails kill 2 birds with one trail so to speak .:p

[lookfar]

Thishas probably been said before but one of the reason for the chemtrails could be to create a better screen for holographic images .My girlfreind saw a huge black triangular craft fly overheadabout 3 weeks back , posted in the ufo section about it .The thing was it was ttoally silent but it shimered like it was underwater she said .That made her think it iwas interdimensional
but although i acceptthat the rational part of me says if they projected these images they would be silent as though they have the speaker technology to project sound it is a lot easier to just use images and make it look like far superior craft with no sound ,Im not saying i believe that just something to bear in mind as part of the reason behind the trails kill 2 birds with one trail so to speak .:p

Oh I didn't see that post, but will have a look for it in a mo...

Yeah I totally agree that it could be part of the plan for things like Project Bluebeam etc & definitely worth considering :eek:

[saab1981]

There were DOZENS in the sky over North East England on Sunday.

[lookfar]

There were DOZENS in the sky over North East England on Sunday.

Hi saab1981

Yeah they're busy again it seems:( I didn't see any yesterday as it was cloudy down here, but they're going crazy with em today, bastards!!!:mad:

[saab1981]

hi lookfar,

they've got a nerve haven't they? They aren't even trying to be discreet about it either it would appear!

[lookfar]

hi lookfar,

they've got a nerve haven't they? They aren't even trying to be discreet about it either it would appear!

Yeah they sure have, it's absolutely blatant!!:mad: Although the masses are convinced it's just normal contrails so they probably think they've got it all covered :rolleyes:

[carlperkins]

Hello again everybody, I hope you don't mind but I want to try attaching some photographs that I've managed to get into photobucket. Photos are the Humber mouth, you can see one of the old forts. Photo taken about two weeks ago.http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii252/carl-perkins/IMG_0027.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii252/carl-perkins/IMG_0030.jpg
If this works I'll try and get a bit more up to date with the images, although I don't want to sign on at work (through fear?).

[lookfar]

Hi carlperkins & thanks for sharing your pics :) They would be lovely shots if it wasn't for that crap in the sky!! I look forward to seeing some more your pics...:)

[dizzykush]

Heavy morning bombardment yesterday, seems to me they are re spraying over and over the same energy lines, And low and behold, ive come down witha real fucker of a cold, feels really synthetic.
What can we do to protect ourselfs, ive already got orgon HHG & TB, and various crystals, but they seem to get through sometimes and make my family sick.
Im trying cloud busting, but not much luck!:(

[lookfar]

Heavy morning bombardment yesterday, seems to me they are re spraying over and over the same energy lines, And low and behold, ive come down witha real fucker of a cold, feels really synthetic.
What can we do to protect ourselfs, ive already got orgon HHG & TB, and various crystals, but they seem to get through sometimes and make my family sick.
Im trying cloud busting, but not much luck!:(

Hey dizzy

I can totally sympathise with you honey. I've also come down with a cold since yesterdays bombardment, it appeared overnight out of nowhere & also feels synthetic to me. I'm taking Olive Leaf Extract but also gonna dig my Chembuster formula out too as I'm sure it's attributed to them, bastards!!:(

Hope you're feeling better soon....:)

[dizzykush]

Hey dizzy

I can totally sympathise with you honey. I've also come down with a cold since yesterdays bombardment, it appeared overnight out of nowhere & also feels synthetic to me. I'm taking Olive Leaf Extract but also gonna dig my Chembuster formula out too as I'm sure it's attributed to them, bastards!!:(

Hope you're feeling better soon....:)

Cheers Lookfar, im gonna look out for the olive leaf extract, i was going to take a hot lemsip this morning, but then lucky i looked at the ingredients and what was there 1.2mg ASPARTAME, so i chucked them away.
Its a real bastard on the sinuses, lost all smell and a taste except for a wierd taste of, well i dunno how to describe it. Puts me off meditating!
Hope you combat yours soon sweetie, i get a good vibe of off you lookfar, cheers;)

[daveybpl]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/daveybpl/chemie.jpg

Taken from my bedroom window in Glasgow two weeks ago yesterday, it was a very uncharacteristically clear day in most of Scotland that day.

I travelled to Dumfries(SW Scotland)the same day and was disgusted at the chemtrail activity. The sky was so clear and you could really tell the difference between the chemies and normal vapor trails.

I also seen a ufo but didn't manage to get a snap. Was just a silver stationary object and after we passed a few trees was gone, funnily enough seen it again for only a few seconds on the return journey round about the same area the next day.

[daveybpl]

This may help with the incresed chemtrail activity -

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20512

[lookfar]

Cheers Lookfar, im gonna look out for the olive leaf extract, i was going to take a hot lemsip this morning, but then lucky i looked at the ingredients and what was there 1.2mg ASPARTAME, so i chucked them away.
Its a real bastard on the sinuses, lost all smell and a taste except for a wierd taste of, well i dunno how to describe it. Puts me off meditating!
Hope you combat yours soon sweetie, i get a good vibe of off you lookfar, cheers;)

You're welcome honey & thanks, I get a good vibe off you too :)

I'm currently taking these ones at the mo, you can't get them in the shops anymore so have to order online (as with anything of any real health benefit these days!):
http://www.homeherbs.co.uk/0/product/0/515-Olive_leaf.html

Yeah I know what you mean about Lemspits (lol) they're well dodgy with all that aspartame & taste like shite too :( I've got similar symptoms & also a sore throat & cough too, it's crap man!

[lookfar]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/daveybpl/chemie.jpg

Taken from my bedroom window in Glasgow two weeks ago yesterday, it was a very uncharacteristically clear day in most of Scotland that day.

I travelled to Dumfries(SW Scotland)the same day and was disgusted at the chemtrail activity. The sky was so clear and you could really tell the difference between the chemies and normal vapor trails.

I also seen a ufo but didn't manage to get a snap. Was just a silver stationary object and after we passed a few trees was gone, funnily enough seen it again for only a few seconds on the return journey round about the same area the next day.

Hi daveybpl

Thanks for sharing your pic. It's so blatant when it's such a nice clear sky like that eh, makes you wonder how everyone doesn't notice them. Shame you didn't get the ufo pic, that woulda been good :)

Thanks for the link too, I'll go check it out in a bit....:)

[wolfchild]

Hello guys!
I have to tell you that the north of england is getting cained with CHEMTRAILS!
Today is the worst i have ever seen so far.
SUNDERLAND is under heavy attack at the min!
I totaly agree with the previous posts' They seem to be
targeting the same areas everyday! everytime im looking out the window they are back spraying again coming across the same parts of the sky.
There must of been at leat 6 planes in every direction i was looking at.
I wish my camera phone could take good pictures to show you guys.
i have been monitoring SUNDERLAND'S skys for a while now and its looks like there spraying right through the heart of the city and coming right down on the local housing estates.
They are fucking increasing the volume of spraying everyday.
something is defo up here!
why would they be attacking us at this rate!
i know human awareness is awaking and to me its seems they fucking trying to suppress this and keep a lid on it very quick.
These CHEMTRAILS are black now and all over the sky of SUNDERLAND.

[lookfar]

Hello guys!
I have to tell you that the north of england is getting cained with CHEMTRAILS!
Today is the worst i have ever seen so far.
SUNDERLAND is under heavy attack at the min!
I totaly agree with the previous posts' They seem to be
targeting the same areas everyday! everytime im looking out the window they are back spraying again coming across the same parts of the sky.
There must of been at leat 6 planes in every direction i was looking at.
I wish my camera phone could take good pictures to show you guys.
i have been monitoring SUNDERLAND'S skys for a while now and its looks like there spraying right through the heart of the city and coming right down on the local housing estates.
They are fucking increasing the volume of spraying everyday.
something is defo up here!
why would they be attacking us at this rate!
i know human awareness is awaking and to me its seems they fucking trying to suppress this and keep a lid on it very quick.
These CHEMTRAILS are black now and all over the sky of SUNDERLAND.

Hi wolfchild

Sorry to hear they're on the increase in your area. Unfortunately that seems to be the case around the UK a lot at the mo & it sucks :mad: It's a shame you can't get some pics.

Are you aware of anyone coming down with colds/flu like symptoms at the mo with the increased spraying going on?

[21_12_2012]

Hello guys!
I have to tell you that the north of england is getting cained with CHEMTRAILS!
Today is the worst i have ever seen so far.
SUNDERLAND is under heavy attack at the min!
I totaly agree with the previous posts' They seem to be
targeting the same areas everyday! everytime im looking out the window they are back spraying again coming across the same parts of the sky.
There must of been at leat 6 planes in every direction i was looking at.
I wish my camera phone could take good pictures to show you guys.
i have been monitoring SUNDERLAND'S skys for a while now and its looks like there spraying right through the heart of the city and coming right down on the local housing estates.
They are fucking increasing the volume of spraying everyday.
something is defo up here!
why would they be attacking us at this rate!
i know human awareness is awaking and to me its seems they fucking trying to suppress this and keep a lid on it very quick.
These CHEMTRAILS are black now and all over the sky of SUNDERLAND.


Same here mate in Manchester/Salford...most of the afternoon.
They've gone black here too.

Tried taking some pics but it started to go dark.

[lookfar]

Same here mate in Manchester/Salford...most of the afternoon.
They've gone black here too.

Tried taking some pics but it started to go dark.

Hmmm that doesn't sound good honey, shame you couldn't get any pics :(

[wolfchild]

Tried taking some but cannot zoom in that well with me cyber phone!
Im really thinking of buying a digital camera!
I really wanted to capture todays spraying guys.
I tell you' you should of seen the size of one of the trails, it went entirely across the sky at a very rapid speed untill the plane was entirely out of sight with a continuing CHEMICAL TRAIL left behind.
As soon as you see one and look around there coming from all directions.
I have also noticed for the last few days there is normally a small plane flying along side the bigger planes spraying at the same time.
I seriously had to laugh in horror at what was happening earlier on, i mean come' is it only us who is looking up at the sky and witnessing this barbaric behavour from our goverments.
I tell you this is not a easy subject to talk about as when i mention this to the norm they think im even more barmy.
I have not recalled to hear anyone with any symtoms

[kweli]

I've been in Rotherham, S. Yorks today; it was pretty crazy there too, it was relentless all bloody day! I got plenty of pics, will upload later.

Edit:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i28/annie1pw/27thfebchems012.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i28/annie1pw/27thfebchems010.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i28/annie1pw/27thfebchems013.jpg

[lookfar]

Tried taking some but cannot zoom in that well with me cyber phone!
Im really thinking of buying a digital camera!
I really wanted to capture todays spraying guys.
I tell you' you should of seen the size of one of the trails, it went entirely across the sky at a very rapid speed untill the plane was entirely out of sight with a continuing CHEMICAL TRAIL left behind.
As soon as you see one and look around there coming from all directions.
I have also noticed for the last few days there is normally a small plane flying along side the bigger planes spraying at the same time.
I seriously had to laugh in horror at what was happening earlier on, i mean come' is it only us who is looking up at the sky and witnessing this barbaric behavour from our goverments.
I tell you this is not a easy subject to talk about as when i mention this to the norm they think im even more barmy.
I have not recalled to hear anyone with any symtoms

Yeah I know what you mean, how bloody blatant is it & people STILL don't see it & think you're mad for even suggesting such a thing. "Don't be silly, our government would never do such a thing!" is a typical response :rolleyes:

[lookfar]

I've been in Rotherham, S. Yorks today; it was pretty crazy there too, it was relentless all bloody day! I got plenty of pics, will upload later.

Edit:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i28/annie1pw/27thfebchems012.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i28/annie1pw/27thfebchems010.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i28/annie1pw/27thfebchems013.jpg

Fooking hell kweli, they're big thick bastards aren't they, eek!!:eek::mad::( Thanks for sharing em honey, you guys did get bombarded didn't ya, jeez!!

[21_12_2012]

Hmmm that doesn't sound good honey, shame you couldn't get any pics :(

I know yeh, it's the first time I've seen black trails.
It was shocking really. I will deffo get pics tomorrow if they're out again.

Last week i didn't notice any chemtrails here, proper clear skies all week.

I thought "give it a few days...they'll be back"...and they were...big time.

[lookfar]

I know yeh, it's the first time I've seen black trails.
It was shocking really. I will deffo get pics tomorrow if they're out again.

Last week i didn't notice any chemtrails here, proper clear skies all week.

I thought "give it a few days...they'll be back"...and they were...big time.

Yeah I've seen the black ones before, they're quite disturbing aren't they :(

We also had it clear for most of last week & I haven't noticed many today (although I've been inside for a lot of it).

Look forward to seeing your pics on here if you get some....

[saab1981]

Hello guys!
I have to tell you that the north of england is getting cained with CHEMTRAILS!
Today is the worst i have ever seen so far.
SUNDERLAND is under heavy attack at the min!
I totaly agree with the previous posts' They seem to be
targeting the same areas everyday! everytime im looking out the window they are back spraying again coming across the same parts of the sky.
There must of been at leat 6 planes in every direction i was looking at.
I wish my camera phone could take good pictures to show you guys.
i have been monitoring SUNDERLAND'S skys for a while now and its looks like there spraying right through the heart of the city and coming right down on the local housing estates.
They are fucking increasing the volume of spraying everyday.
something is defo up here!
why would they be attacking us at this rate!
i know human awareness is awaking and to me its seems they fucking trying to suppress this and keep a lid on it very quick.
These CHEMTRAILS are black now and all over the sky of SUNDERLAND.

Hi there Wolfchild, I live in Durham city and witnessed these exact chemtrails, being spread all afternoon. I was shocked and disgusted by what I saw actually, they were definitely out in force, not even trying to hide, the sky became a web of chemtrails. Unbelievable.

[lookfar]

Yeah they did get hit pretty hard didn't they :(

It's grey here today so I have no idea whats going on up there at the mo....:confused: How's it with everyone else today?

[ssyx]

Yeah they did get hit pretty hard didn't they :(

It's grey here today so I have no idea whats going on up there at the mo....:confused: How's it with everyone else today?

Very grey indeed.
I'm in London.

[21_12_2012]

Same here, cloudy, but i can see trails in the bits of blue sky in between
the clouds, so they're definately spraying again today.

[saab1981]

Hi, same again today it seems. I can see plenty up there when there is a break in the clouds. Maybe the clouds are acting as sylphs? Maybe...

[lookfar]

Hmmm I'm not sure if the clouds act as sylphs or not:confused: would be nice to think so wouldn't it:) But I'm wondering if they use the clouds to help bring the shite down to earth quicker (we now have rain here, so it's pretty gloomy out there!)

I'm sure there's still plenty of activity overhead though, even though we can't see it. Thanks for the update guys :-)

[tothestars]

Observed 2 Black/grey chemtrails crossing each other (looked like a V (V for Victory was the first thing that popped into my mind)) this morning here in Norway (Drammen-Oslo). Compared with the regular chemtrails, what is the difference ? Different mix of chemicals ?

[lookfar]

Observed 2 Black/grey chemtrails crossing each other (looked like a V (V for Victory was the first thing that popped into my mind)) this morning here in Norway (Drammen-Oslo). Compared with the regular chemtrails, what is the difference ? Different mix of chemicals ?

I'm not sure what the difference is between the black/grey ones & the usual white ones, but they're definitely becoming more popular it seems. Maybe it is a different mix of chemicals, but I'd dread to think what ones!!:eek::(

[cytro]

Holy Shit the CHEMTRAILS are CRAZY today. This morning around 8:00 am the sky was very clear and a bright blue. I did however notice about 3 CHEMTRAILS. By 10:30 am THEY WERE EVERYWHERE - They hadn't spread out but lines and lines of this stuff X = + all over the skies. By 3:00 pm the whole town literally looked like it hadn't had an inch of clear sky - Nothing but cloudy mush everywhere - This was of course the CHEMTRAILS spreading out forming these "fake clouds." I bet alot of people look up in the sky and think it's a "cloudy day" when in fact it's these damn chemtrails. UGH

[carlperkins]

"Holy Shit the CHEMTRAILS are CRAZY today. This morning around 8:00 am the sky was very clear and a bright blue. I did however notice about 3 CHEMTRAILS. By 10:30 am THEY WERE EVERYWHERE - They hadn't spread out but lines and lines of this stuff X = + all over the skies. By 3:00 pm the whole town literally looked like it hadn't had an inch of clear sky - Nothing but cloudy mush everywhere - This was of course the CHEMTRAILS spreading out forming these "fake clouds." I bet alot of people look up in the sky and think it's a "cloudy day" when in fact it's these damn chemtrails. UGH"

This sums it up exactly for me. The other night in the dark (Thursday) at 7.15 I saw 3 horseshoe shaped trails above the house.

[orgo knight]

You guys in England sure cop a hammering from those bastards. I feel for you :cool:

[marpat]

One theory is the kind of fuel used by those planes forms trails because of the high altitude they fly at, a chemical reaction of some sort. But why so many planes in the sky at once and so often?

Do you live near a commercial airport? it is not unusual to have many aircraft in a general area at any one time. This is why you get occasional near misses with aircraft. Basically, due to the increasing use of aircraft for comerce and travel the skys are constantly getting more congested. The other effect is that airports have to expand to cater for all of this expasion.

Not sure if you guys are familiar with this but if an aircraft is carrying more fuel in it's tanks than it is safe to land with then they have to dump it in the sky above a certain altitude. This is to avoid the aircraft being to heavy for landing. I have spoekn to fliers so this is real info. Perhaps soem of these trails can be attributed to that.

[angelicangel]

We live near certain air bases and are constantly being caught in between certain air battles, friendly I must say. Oh course they are trying out low level friendly attacks, and I must say are really beautiful to watch although they do put the fear into you. Lets face it, they are only doing their jobs what they have been taught to do and one day save our lives under attack. We often see chemical trails, but what are we really suppose to do, they are there to protect us, what else can they do:D:D:D

[marpat]

We live near certain air bases and are constantly being caught in between certain air battles, friendly I must say. Oh course they are trying out low level friendly attacks, and I must say are really beautiful to watch although they do put the fear into you. Lets face it, they are only doing their jobs what they have been taught to do and one day save our lives under attack. We often see chemical trails, but what are we really suppose to do, they are there to protect us, what else can they do:D:D:D

Can you give me a rough idea where? Northern England perhaps?

[angelicangel]

No Midlands, Gloucestershire, Malverns, and around that area. We often watch them practising around our area, especially when something is about to take place, eg Gulf. But I do not know anything about what their plans are because I am just a human being who has no idea about military operations. But it is nice to see the pilots when they fly that low:D

[marpat]

No Midlands, Gloucestershire, Malverns, and around that area. We often watch them practising around our area, especially when something is about to take place, eg Gulf. But I do not know anything about what their plans are because I am just a human being who has no idea about military operations. But it is nice to see the pilots when they fly that low:D

A good place to see low level flying is the Lake District. If you ever go hill walking in that area it is not unusual to see aircraft flying in the valleys below you. Seen it plenty of times an it looks awesome.

[angelicangel]

Another thing I love to watch is the Red Arrow display team, of course they leave their trails behind them to mark out the red white and blue designs of our flag. This of course is nothing to do with a military operation as sorts, but is fasinating to watch. I hope they keep up the good work:D

[carlperkins]

I've always had a love of things like planes and trains. I once saw the red arrows do a love heart complete with an arrow as I crossed the Humber bridge. I hate it though when they fly low and scare horses. Here are some photographs I took last week in Grimsby.
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii252/carl-perkins/IMG_0104.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii252/carl-perkins/IMG_0101.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii252/carl-perkins/IMG_0100.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii252/carl-perkins/IMG_0099.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii252/carl-perkins/IMG_0102.jpg

[lookfar]

Thanks for sharing those pics carlperkins. Those black ones are really dodgy looking aren't they, eek!!:(

[slowerxx]

hi all
it was a bright blue day not a cloud anywhere, until the planes start lacing the sky accross the glare of the sun, where most people dont look, my roof obscures the sun at start, from there i take a trip inland where the angle is diff, then its clear to c whats going on. everything u c here has come from a plane, i do a 360 deg turn 2 show u the only place these trails r (if u live in Harwich or Felixstowe) is in front of the sun, when these trails expand and drift away from the glare, they just look ( to the untraned eye) like whispey
clouds forming. this is How to hide something in plain sight. the audio is about a few things u might not know. plus 7 other vids all taken at Harwich and Felixstowe in last 2 months.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea2kiLOdUkw

the "my window" is day 1 of a 3 day assult on our towns, day 2 and 3 shortly.
How 2 make a cloud was about 7 days later.
When u c chess board patterns in the sky its time 2 take notice, its time 2 wake up and abandon our toys.
any feed back good or bad will be noted to improve future vids
thanks
Sxx

[lookfar]

Hi slowerxx & welcome to the forum :)

Thanks for sharing your vid, which I'll have to watch when I get home (as I can't view YT from work). I have also noticed that most of the chemmies seem to be going in the direction of the sun, especially at sunset time of day.

It's good to have you onboard & look forward to reading more of your posts :D

[fiery_truth]

Here are some pics I took this morning, haven't seen chemtrails this bad in a while.

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3674/chemtrails19march08001hh9.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3338/chemtrails19march08012lx4.jpg

This one is very interesting, a contrail next to a chemtrail...
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9371/chemtrails19march08008mp0.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/333/chemtrails19march08013bq2.jpg

[lookfar]

Thanks fiery truth.

Yeah it's the same here, the bastards are out in force today for sure - they are big fat ones & they're all over the bloody place, gggrrr!!!:mad::mad::mad:

[djpad34]

i stated in another thread yesterday they would be out today and they are ill and pics tonight myself if it works this time overcast today but still filling the skies with shite

[lookfar]

i stated in another thread yesterday they would be out today and they are ill and pics tonight myself if it works this time overcast today but still filling the skies with shite

Good stuff djpad34, I look forward to seeing your pics :) It's gone cloudy here now too, but was a clear blue sky this morning. Haven't seen that many chemmies in quite a while & I'm not happy about it!:(

[beldazar]

Yes they got us here in cornwall too! It would have been a glorious day otherwise. Normally my chembuster sorts it out (or the sylphs, :)) I got up at 6.30 and the sky was covered, I reckon they are spraying in the night now, ready for daybreak. Since I have had an interest in looking to the skies, I worked out that they would spray in the same place as the sun rising, it looks like they have changed their strategy :(

[lookfar]

Yeah they're definitely on the war path today. The sky this evening as I was leaving work was horrendous - great big fat ones that have spread out & cross crossing all over the place. There were also lots of lines which were very close together spreading for quite a distance, not quite chemmies but sort of manipulated & definitely not natural.

[howie]

I've seen hundreds today too, all over the north from Middlesbrough to Northumberland. Today is the worst I've ever seen. :mad:

This is from Jet2.com flying to Ireland this afternoon
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5685/19march2008024smallqd6.jpg

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6040/chemtrailsfm2.jpg

The long trail above is from the departing Jet2 plane, the trail from the incoming (unknown) flight stops after it crossed the trail & did not appear anywhere else in the sky which proves the tired old contrail excuse to be bollocks.

I'm thinking of buying a powerful telescope & camera adaptor to get a decent close-up of the nozzles on the tail.

[saab1981]

It seems like most of the UK was bombarded today. Also, pleasingly, many sylphs appeared to come in on cue and cover up the worst of it - please don't someone burst my bubble and say they weren't sylphs, it just felt like they were ok!

[lookfar]

It seems like most of the UK was bombarded today. Also, pleasingly, many sylphs appeared to come in on cue and cover up the worst of it - please don't someone burst my bubble and say they weren't sylphs, it just felt like they were ok!

Hi saab1981

I haven't seen too many yet today as we've got quite a bit of cloud here now. However, yesterday was absolutely awful & I haven't experienced any that bad in quite a while :(

I'm certainly not gonna "burst your bubble" about sylphs as I also believe in them & have seen a few doing their stuff, bless em :)

[lookfar]

I've seen hundreds today too, all over the north from Middlesbrough to Northumberland. Today is the worst I've ever seen. :mad:

This is from Jet2.com flying to Ireland this afternoon
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5685/19march2008024smallqd6.jpg

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6040/chemtrailsfm2.jpg

The long trail above is from the departing Jet2 plane, the trail from the incoming (unknown) flight stops after it crossed the trail & did not appear anywhere else in the sky which proves the tired old contrail excuse to be bollocks.

I'm thinking of buying a powerful telescope & camera adaptor to get a decent close-up of the nozzles on the tail.

Thanks for sharing howie. I'd be interested in seeing your pics if you do get yourself a telescope & adaptor :)

[audiolink]

Once again we are being bombarded with chems. What is a relatively calm and peaceful evening here in Hastings, I just let my dog out into the garden and spotted two planes over in the direction of Eastbourne. Got my camera phone and snapped these from the back door.

[URL="http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/audiolink21/DSC00032.jpg"]

[URL="http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/audiolink21/DSC00033.jpg"]

[lookfar]

Thanks for sharing audiolink.

Yeah it's been a busy day for the bastard chemmies hasn't it!:mad: I saw some HUGE ones this evening after work, but wasn't able to get any pics. I think Lottie managed to get some though which she's gonna upload later...:)

[saab1981]

Hi, N.E. England has been absolutely bombarded today, all day long. I have got a picture of a plane that had just deposited a huge chemtrail. It is a very narrow aircraft with a huge box section between the wings and the rear tail section. Here is the plane:http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn173/saab1981/plane.jpg

I would also like to say what a disgusting bunch of bastards it is who do this. My daughter is 18 months and has had serious respiratory problems for 4-5 weeks now, she can't get rid of it, all since the last 'heavy bombardment'. I'm sure i'm not the only person experiencing this.

[lookfar]

Hi, N.E. England has been absolutely bombarded today, all day long. I have got a picture of a plane that had just deposited a huge chemtrail. It is a very narrow aircraft with a huge box section between the wings and the rear tail section. Here is the plane:http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn173/saab1981/plane.jpg

I would also like to say what a disgusting bunch of bastards it is who do this. My daughter is 18 months and has had serious respiratory problems for 4-5 weeks now, she can't get rid of it, all since the last 'heavy bombardment'. I'm sure i'm not the only person experiencing this.

Hi saab1981

Thanks for posting that pic of the plane, it looks very strange indeed doesn't it:(

I'm sorry to hear your little one has been suffering with respiratory problems, it's such a worry at any age, but especially when they're so young. I'm sending lots of healing energy her way & hope she recovers soon.

On a side note, I use Don Croft's Chembuster formula (tincture) for myself and my 6yr old son. I don't use it everyday, only at times that we're heavily hit by them, but I halve the dosage for him (to 3 drops twice a day) in a cup of tea & find that it does help.

[howie]

I've seen a few military jets this week, it's for the RAF 90th anniversary. I saw 3 flying in close formation leaving a trail that lasted for over an hour.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5813/raf3408zj2.jpg

[lottie]

07/03/08
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9267/birthdaychemmiesgv6.jpg
19/03/08
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6048/courtday3wa7.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7171/courtdaychemmieswx6.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2851/courtdaychemmies2yz6.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5862/hoverchemnb9.jpg

[lookfar]

Thanks for your pics Lottster, they've certainly been busy again lately haven't they!:(

Here's a few that I took recently...

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2726/dsc00087nm2.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8549/dsc00124gw0.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2104/dsc00123pu1.jpg

[steevo]

How often in the UK do we now have clear blue skies like we used to have :cool: TPTB have definitely stepped up a gear over the last few years IMO and it's ruining our weather (and our health). Especially when they combine it with HAARP :mad:

[lookfar]

How often in the UK do we now have clear blue skies like we used to have :cool: TPTB have definitely stepped up a gear over the last few years IMO and it's ruining our weather (and our health). Especially when they combine it with HAARP :mad:

Yeah it's a rare day when they are no chemmies about, it's pretty sad really:(

[beldazar]

Well I dont know whats going on in my area at the mo, I used to see planes fly over and their trail slowly disappear, (no, they arent normal contrails!) but for the last few days they are still flying over, (white, unmarked planes) but no trail is coming out at all! We have had absolutely beautiful blue skies with white fluffy clouds! Its been glorious!

[lookfar]

Well I dont know whats going on in my area at the mo, I used to see planes fly over and their trail slowly disappear, (no, they arent normal contrails!) but for the last few days they are still flying over, (white, unmarked planes) but no trail is coming out at all! We have had absolutely beautiful blue skies with white fluffy clouds! Its been glorious!

That's good to hear honey, I hope it stays that way for you there:D Although I also hope they're not using some invisible ones or something, gawd I dread to think... no let's stay positive - they're giving you guys a break:D It's actually clear & sunny here too, but ssshhhh they might hear & start spraying, lol!!:p

[beldazar]

hehe, thats funny you should say that about invisible ones, the thought crossed my mind too! Mind you, maybe if they are invisible nobody will be worried so wont get affected by them? Stranger things have happened......:D

[lookfar]

hehe, thats funny you should say that about invisible ones, the thought crossed my mind too! Mind you, maybe if they are invisible nobody will be worried so wont get affected by them? Stranger things have happened......:D

Hehe, yeah you never know. I reckon it'd be far better if they did exist at all!:D:p

[djpad34]

i knew my predition last night would be right heavy spraying to the the start of the day here in the the north west of england .
i should of posted last night to predict but fell asleep dam ! but anyway i have my cam at work today i am going to try and get some good shots total white wash here in barrow anybody else hit ?

[eternal_spirit]

i knew my predition last night would be right heavy spraying to the the start of the day here in the the north west of england .
i should of posted last night to predict but fell asleep dam ! but anyway i have my cam at work today i am going to try and get some good shots total white wash here in barrow anybody else hit ?

............................
Lancashire here.
Yes, the sky was almost:( nice and blue when I awoke, but I could see the planes spraying and the trails have started to spread, what could be a nice sunny day, will probably turn into chemtrail infested sky.

[eternal_spirit]

This is the only story I could find saying that the trails have valium, prozac and maybe other drugs added to them. Days of heavy spraying people are doped up, tired etc, and other effects depending on the mix of drugs used. Days when there's no, or little spraying, people may become agitated, due to withdrawl. Add the effect of HARRP which also can be used to effect our moods, it's a bad combination.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=334874&postcount=61

[lookfar]

i knew my predition last night would be right heavy spraying to the the start of the day here in the the north west of england .
i should of posted last night to predict but fell asleep dam ! but anyway i have my cam at work today i am going to try and get some good shots total white wash here in barrow anybody else hit ?

Hi djpad34

Sorry to hear you guys up north are being hit today, bastards!:( Luckily we have blue skies with small fluffy clouds down here at the mo, I haven't spotted any chemmies this way for about almost a week now (tis a bit strange when you don't see them these days).

Although I was in Lyme Regis on Monday & the only chemmie (or possibly a contrail:confused:) we saw disappeared quite quickly but for a few seconds the trail seemed to go black & then disappear! I thought it was my eyes going weird at first, but the person I was with also saw it too & we both commented on it at the same time. I did get a couple of pics of it (unfortunately not quick enough to catch the black bit), but I'll upload them tonight when I get home. Makes you wonder what they're up to eh!

I look forward to seeing your pics if you get any...

[chipstyxx]

Just seen my first real chemtrails:eek: I only recently started to look out for them. I accepted something was going on from other photos but to see them being done?!

I'm in Manchester and I see planes leaving from the airport every day through my window, so I know what a regular plane looks like. About half an hour ago I saw alot of trails across the bright blue of the sky. I got my camera and went out the back to see a couple of white/ silver planes crisscrossing the sky with trails. I went out of my front door and saw one plane climbing vertically. It even looked like it was spinning at one point!!
The bastards are enjoying themselves??! I also saw this one turning the stream on and off.

It is still going on as I write, there are alot more grey clouds in the sky since it started and I'ts starting to look like rain.

I feel really wound up now and angry, I can't believe someone is doing this and 99% of the population are oblivious. Thank Jeebus I can talk to people that are aware, I think I would burst otherwise.

[lookfar]

Just seen my first real chemtrails:eek: I only recently started to look out for them. I accepted something was going on from other photos but to see them being done?!

I'm in Manchester and I see planes leaving from the airport every day through my window, so I know what a regular plane looks like. About half an hour ago I saw alot of trails across the bright blue of the sky. I got my camera and went out the back to see a couple of white/ silver planes crisscrossing the sky with trails. I went out of my front door and saw one plane climbing vertically. It even looked like it was spinning at one point!!
The bastards are enjoying themselves??! I also saw this one turning the stream on and off.

It is still going on as I write, there are alot more grey clouds in the sky since it started and I'ts starting to look like rain.

I feel really wound up now and angry, I can't believe someone is doing this and 99% of the population are oblivious. Thank Jeebus I can talk to people that are aware, I think I would burst otherwise.

Hi chipstyxx :)

Good on ya for checking them out. Did you get some pics you can upload on here?

Yeah it certainly makes your blood boil when you first find out about them doesn't it & even worse when the majority of people think you're being paranoid when you mention it to them or try to point them out. They blindly cannot see what's in front of their eyes (although admittedly they are only succumbing to the programming that they've been subjected to in thinking that these are normal & nothing to worry about - they're just contrails don't ya know, lol!:rolleyes:)

[chipstyxx]

Helloo Lookfar, yes I did get some pics. I will try and get them uploaded asap, probably by this evening.

Forgive me if this has been asked before (not read through the whole thread yet) but wouldn't airports have to be aware of these planes?? They seem to be flying a lot lower that the passenger planes flying out from the airport,surely the airports see they are not their planes. Do they just ignore them? Does anyone know anything about this?

[beldazar]

The baskets have got us down here in cornwall! I got up at 6.45 and the sky was plastered! They must spray here during the night cos usually I see them attempting to during the day but as I have 3 chembusters they dissipate.
I have a theory now, perhaps chembusters work in conjunction with the sun, that or sylphs sleep at night, or maybe plasma ships refuel on the positive orgone now and again, you cant rule anything out these days..... :)

[chipstyxx]

Ok, here's what I watched this morning from 10 am in Manchester;

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4874/chem16040810amkj2.th.jpg (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chem16040810amkj2.jpg)

The grid pattern is the thing that caught my attention, right in the middle you can see a 'regular plane' going towards the airport, with a dispersing trail. (went in a few seconds) There's also a wave pattern in this middle area. Then I noticed the first plane going from North to south and back again.

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/8454/chem2160408sq6.th.jpg (http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chem2160408sq6.jpg)

This second pic is when I noticed a second plane, it was climbing and even
did a spin. ( why would a passenger jet do that??) After taking this picture I messed about with the camera for a few seconds, when I looked back the plane had gone! it was only a couple of seconds.


URL=http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chem3ds8.jpg]http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2540/chem3ds8.th.jpg[/URL]

So I looked out of the back door and saw it was going over head, in this photo you can see where the trail stopped and started. Second plane was flying N.east to S.west. Last pic is one of the crossing trails. These trails hung around till 3pm when it started to go very cloudy. What kind of contrails hang around for 5 hours? I have loads more pictures but I won't bore you as it looked alot more spectacular with the naked eye.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3665/chem4rh6.th.jpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chem4rh6.jpg)

[chipstyxx]

Arrrrggh! sorry, I'll try that again, here's the third pic, where the trail stopped and started,

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6927/chem3qr6.th.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chem3qr6.jpg)

[lookfar]

Thanks for sharing chipstyxx, those are good pics there. Interesting how they stop & start isn't it. & NO contrails ever last as long as 5hrs, they're chemmies for sure! Hope you guys have a better day tomorrow & they ease off.

Be interesting to see the difference in planes though if that's possible. My camera is only 5 mega pix, so can't zoom in that well to see detail.

[chipstyxx]

Seen them again today (whilst I was out). Loads of trails over the trafford centre in manchester. Saw 3 or four planes and it looks like they had been at it for hours.

Had a look through my binoculors when I got home and I could make out a red and blue logo on the tail of one plane. I will have to keep a look out and try to identify that. (not British airways as suggested to me by my sceptical other half). Seemed to stop quite soon after 5 today.

Did see something quite strange though on looking out of the window a few minutes ago. There were all the trails that had been around for a while and eventually disapating, then I saw one really straight solid white line higher up than all the rest, I looked again and it was gone?!

[audiolink]

Hi All
I just bought another mobile phone and on the memory of the phone i found a load of photos. Five of the photos were of these chemmies above Hastings last year. I know they are late but I got them from someone whom I never thought was awake to what is happening.
It looks like the message is getting across to some people.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/audiolink21/03-09-07_1949.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/audiolink21/08-07-07_0730.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/audiolink21/08-07-07_0731.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/audiolink21/08-07-07_0732.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/audiolink21/08-07-07_0735.jpg

[jimmi]

9.17am sat 26th april.

my partner and I for the last two hours have been watching and taking photographs of them spreading chemtrails over the coastline of south wales.

The planes were travelling from west to east and the wind (slight) is southerly,
ie blowing from the south (all directions approx), they are still at it at the time of writing this.

They appear to be causing cloud cover to be formed at the north side, which then spreads overland.

I will try to post photos a.s.a.p. but am not sure how to do it yet.

J+T

[jimmi]

update 9.45am

just went outside after looking at photos and there is a distinct ' metallic' smell or taste in the air.

The photos havent come out as well as i hoped, but will post as soon as.

I noticed sylph like forms and took photos but they dont show up as clearly as they looked in real time. Photos will follow.

[jimmi]

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jimmi1963/DSC01304.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jimmi1963/DSC01305.jpg
]
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jimmi1963/DSC01321.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jimmi1963/DSC01328.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jimmi1963/DSC01329.jpg
OK. First two can be put next to each other to show wide view of trails crossing over (or through) each other, next four possibly sylphlike formations, they looked clearer to me at the time of taking.

But...tantara....This is where things get really interesting! and I'd like to make it clear to any twats watching that I've made a few hard copies and given a covering letter to some trustworthy people for my own safety!

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jimmi1963/DSC01319.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jimmi1963/DSC01320.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jimmi1963/DSC01322.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jimmi1963/DSC01323.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jimmi1963/DSC01324.jpg

Where are the planes, zoom in with windows pic and fax viewer and you can't see them in most of the shots,and when you can they or it is hardly noticeable. Compare the shot with the highly visible plane that was flying alongside and leaving no trail !!!!

[jimmi]

OK..gettingthe hang of this now , just deleted one sylph photo from above post to comply with rules...but what about these???

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jimmi1963/DSC01325.jpg

what is alongside (above in photo) the plane!!

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jimmi1963/DSC01326.jpg

photo above shows two trails together formed by two separate planes, one trail is white, the other is darker and came just after the first white one. there is another white trail to the right of the double one.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jimmi1963/DSC01327.jpg

this trail is not coming from the engines ,it is forming from the whole wingspan as if it is a sprayplane.

I hope these are of interest and I would appreciate any enlightening comments. And incidentally, I have much better things to do with my time than make up hoaxes.

[dizzib]

Hi Jimmi, they seem to be out in force this morning in London. Here's a vid I took which shows a trail which must be many miles in length...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWLJu3vSZUQ

These are obviously not normal contrails yet everyone around was totally oblivious, amazing! I guess kids growing up these days view this as entirely normal.

[dizzib]

Where are the planes, zoom in with windows pic and fax viewer and you can't see them in most of the shots,and when you can they or it is hardly noticeable. Compare the shot with the highly visible plane that was flying alongside and leaving no trail !!!!

I would say the plane without a trail is MUCH lower than the other two. Spraying planes seem to operate at very high altitudes AFAICT.

[jimmi]

Yes the plane in plain sight was much lower than the 'sprayer', sorry, didn't mean to be misleading anybody.
Please though,copy the 'ufo' pic and zoom right in and let me know what you think on it.

[peachped]

Yes the plane in plain sight was much lower than the 'sprayer', sorry, didn't mean to be misleading anybody.
Please though,copy the 'ufo' pic and zoom right in and let me know what you think on it.

Looks to me like you've photographed a bona fide ufo.

[jimmi]

Time now is 18:50, they've been going at it all day and are still at it.
thanks peachped ,I'm not saying it's a 'flying saucer' but I think it's an object ie. not a gap in cloud or plane or...well I don't know.

[cruise4]

They are out here again too, after a period of having none. I don't go out anymore when there's chemtrails about. Anyone know if we are getting increased Iridium or Rhodium levels? Could they be blocking our ascension dust?

[tootrue]

I'm not saying it's a 'flying saucer' but I think it's an object ie. not a gap in cloud or plane or...well I don't know.

The whole sky is now covered by chemtrail 'clouds', and I mean the whole - 100% of it! Anyone else witnessing that?

Talking of 'flying saucers' - I'm now looking at 'cloud' formations that very much look like flying saurcers!

[dizzib]

Yes the plane in plain sight was much lower than the 'sprayer', sorry, didn't mean to be misleading anybody.
Please though,copy the 'ufo' pic and zoom right in and let me know what you think on it.

No worries bro. I did zoom in on your ufo pic but I can't draw any conclusions as all I can see is a fuzzy dark dot near the plane which could be some dust on the lens (is this what you mean?) Do you have any more pics of this plane? If it is a genuine ufo then I'd say it's project bluebeam in action.

As for that dark trail, here's a vid showing a plane flying *into* one http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h9moZX5zMks&feature=related

[cruise4]

Thats black line vid is exactly what I saw. I do not think its a shadow at all. But I've heard of pilots seeing their own plane apparently coming towards them, and other odd atmospheric illusional effects. I have no clue.

[jimmi]

I have copied the 'ufo' photo to my computer now and it's not as clear as the original, I mistakenly thought that because it was digital that it would reproduce exactly. If anyone is interested then I could Email a copy, I think because of the need to zoom to such a high magnification this is the best way, takes a while but I've sent it to a sceptical friend and his reaction was 'fair one'.
I'll see if I can make a zoomed in copy and then post it here.
Also when I've said "there are no planes", there are no planes but at max zoom there are , what seem to me, unusual pixelations. I suppose that this is not represented accurately either(on the pics I've posted here I mean) I will try to give better ones of these also.
I think my 'twats' comment, under the circumstances, makes me sound a bit of a twat but I was thinking at the time that I may have stumbled upon something that we are not supposed to be aware of and in my excitement I may have over reacted a bit (maybe not though). I'm a slow one finger typist also and I haven't given full descriptions cos I'm lazy!

[jimmi]

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jimmi1963/DSC01325aa.jpg

1 arrows show approximate direction of sunlight
2 arrow points to 'reflection' on black object

I couldn't get it as clear as the original zoomed image but I think it's better than the one I first posted here.

[tootrue]

Thats black line vid is exactly what I saw. I do not think its a shadow at all.

I still think that the black lines are chemtrail shadows. The chemtrails are probably between the sun light and the vapour, or gases, beneath - so, the sun light produces a shadow, which is thrown on the gases, beneath the chemtrail. As the gases (mostly invisible to naked eye) move, the shadow moves, too :rolleyes:

Ok, in the vid here - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h9moZX5zMks&feature=related this line may not be a shadow - and may well be some new addition to the chemtrail mix... !

[tootrue]

Thats black line vid is exactly what I saw. I do not think its a shadow at all. But I've heard of pilots seeing their own plane apparently coming towards them, and other odd atmospheric illusional effects. I have no clue.

well erm,... actually - just seen some other pics... and you may be right in not thinking it's a shadow
..

[beldazar]

I have seen the black line lead the plane, the plane tends to follow it.
Some people have said that they have seen an orb at the front of the black line too.

There were trails in the sky yesterday, black lines twinned with white trails. I mentioned them to a neighbour and she said she thought it was pollution, I said it is but DELIBERATE pollution :mad:

[tootrue]

There were trails in the sky yesterday, black lines twinned with white trails. I mentioned them to a neighbour and she said she thought it was pollution, I said it is but DELIBERATE pollution :mad:

What did she say :rolleyes: ?

[lookfar]

As for that dark trail, here's a vid showing a plane flying *into* one http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h9moZX5zMks&feature=related

Hi dizzib

Thanks for sharing that clip. There appears to be a sylph at the end of the vid too (although I could be wrong as it was only a quick glance).

I've also seen these black chemmies a few times now too & even flew through some on a trip to Glasgow last year.

[lookfar]

Jimmi thanks for sharing your pics, you have been busy & they're great to see:) That ufo one seems very interesting too although I'm having trouble making out a definite shape.

We had a gorgeous day down south yesterday, but at the end of it the sky was filled with a chemmie soup & we have crappy weather today (even had a storm this morning, but that was probably because it was unusually warm yesterday).

Keep em coming guys...:)

[cruise4]

You've confused me there tootrue :D Its not a new mix. The day I saw the plane going along a black line the sky wasn't full of them. There 'may' have been one other but my recollection is it was a solitary spraying incident at the time I was observing. Hopefully you will see one soon. Its a very odd phenomenon.

[jimmi]

The pic I posted with white and black trails clearly shows they are separate, I definitely saw the 'black trail plane' coming after the original 'white' one. look at the lower part and you will see the separation.

(added by edit) Lower part is between telephone wires

[dizzib]

1 arrows show approximate direction of sunlight
2 arrow points to 'reflection' on black object

I couldn't get it as clear as the original zoomed image but I think it's better than the one I first posted here.

Ok I can see it now and yes it's like a strange orb, just another part of the puzzle!

This Sunday 27th morning the sky is covered with white cloud and it's raining. I don't know if this is related but I came across this passage in Penguin Classics Buddhist Scriptures chapter 12 "Maitreya describes the future". On p92 it describes how changing rain patterns will signal the imminent arrival of Maitreya...

http://www.funk45.com/etc/cosmos/bhuddap92.jpg

IMHO Maitreya is the NWO antichrist and will arrive shortly after 21/12/2012. So might these chemtrails allow weather manipulation to fulfill this prophecy and add to the deceit?

[tootrue]

You've confused me there tootrue :D Its not a new mix. The day I saw the plane going along a black line the sky wasn't full of them. There 'may' have been one other but my recollection is it was a solitary spraying incident at the time I was observing. Hopefully you will see one soon. Its a very odd phenomenon.

Initially I thought it definitely a shadow. But, now I think there's something else going on here... :rolleyes:

[mike2425]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iIAWWL4HQDg

Click the link to watch nbc news on youtube, they tell you what the test results are from chemtrails.
Mike

[steevo]

Thanks for posting that Mike2425, i now have something more concrete to show to the skeptics :)

However, I think that there is something more sinister to these chemtrails than just manipulating weather (which I'm sure they do anyway, manupulate the weather I mean).

[lookfar]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iIAWWL4HQDg

Click the link to watch nbc news on youtube, they tell you what the test results are from chemtrails.
Mike

Hi Mike2425 & welcome to the forum:)

Thanks for sharing that link, I've seen it before but definitely worth a watch for anyone who hasn't as it's very informative:)

It's good to have you onboard & look forward to seeing you around!

[lookfar]

Thanks for posting that Mike2425, i now have something more concrete to show to the skeptics :)

However, I think that there is something more sinister to these chemtrails than just manipulating weather (which I'm sure they do anyway, manupulate the weather I mean).

They said it all in the clip of the interview there steevo, something along the lines of "this will be done in the future", yeah right like it's not being done (& has been done) for bloody ages now!:rolleyes: They always let slip these things with their play on words don't they...

[steevo]

They said it all in the clip of the interview there steevo, something along the lines of "this will be done in the future", yeah right like it's not being done (& has been done) for bloody ages now!:rolleyes: They always let slip these things with their play on words don't they...

Too right. I mean just look at our weather in the last few years. We hardly every see the sun anymore and we almost never have a clear blue sky anywhere now. The sun's rays are beneficial and essential to our health and they are blocking them out, this gets me really pissed off cos I KNOW that THEY are doing it :mad:

[lookfar]

Too right. I mean just look at our weather in the last few years. We hardly every see the sun anymore and we almost never have a clear blue sky anywhere now. The sun's rays are beneficial and essential to our health and they are blocking them out, this gets me really pissed off cos I KNOW that THEY are doing it :mad:

Yeah I totally agree with you hun. It's rare to have a totally clear blue sky lately. Infact today the sky was a right mess, there were a few chemmies interspersed amongst the bigger clouds, it seemed like they'd been spreading them out all over the place to almost make em not look so obvious, but the end result was a real mess. I wish I could've taken some pics but my phone camera plays up sometimes & the shutter wouldn't open, ggrr!:(

[steevo]

Yeah I totally agree with you hun. It's rare to have a totally clear blue sky lately. Infact today the sky was a right mess, there were a few chemmies interspersed amongst the bigger clouds, it seemed like they'd been spreading them out all over the place to almost make em not look so obvious, but the end result was a real mess. I wish I could've taken some pics but my phone camera plays up sometimes & the shutter wouldn't open, ggrr!:(

Youre right Lookfar, the sky really does look an absolute mess today (and most other days too). It's so bloody obvious that they are doing something.

[truthseeker1980]

I have not been able to see the sky since saturday, because its not stopped raining, Saturday incidently was a very heavy spray day in North London.

Today though there are quite a few breaks in the clouds and blimey is all i can say they are out in force again today. Created that hazy second cloud soup above the clouds already with more being added as i write.

I wonder if it's going to rain this weekend?

[lookfar]

I have not been able to see the sky since saturday, because its not stopped raining, Saturday incidently was a very heavy spray day in North London.

Today though there are quite a few breaks in the clouds and blimey is all i can say they are out in force again today. Created that hazy second cloud soup above the clouds already with more being added as i write.

I wonder if it's going to rain this weekend?

Yeah had the same down here honey. Was quite sunny earlier with a bit of cloud but plenty of chemmies throughout it, ggrrr:mad: It looks like it's brewing up for a bout of rain again now though..:( & it's bound to rain at the weekend as it's a Bank Holiday:rolleyes:

[llogun]

I was watching a plane the other day. it was clear skys and i had my sun glasses on. Well you could see this thin black line in front of the plane that went a few miles in front of it. it was if the plane was following the line. when i took my sun glasses off you could not see the line till i put my glasses back on weird.

[llogun]

Shit just look back at some of the post and you are already talking about it

[dudester]

Well they've been chemtrailn' it here the past days. Not that chemtrails pictures are anything new, but here are some. (i took them with my mobile so the quality isnt that great)

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f317/BaloneyX/conspiracy/DSC00133.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f317/BaloneyX/conspiracy/DSC00136.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f317/BaloneyX/conspiracy/DSC00138.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f317/BaloneyX/conspiracy/DSC00135.jpg

I then took a nap and woke up later to find out they still weren't done for the day....

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f317/BaloneyX/conspiracy/DSC00142.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f317/BaloneyX/conspiracy/DSC00145.jpg

so yeah just wanted to share these with you guys =)

[kweli]

Thanks for posting the pics dude, it's been much the same here over the past couple of days. Oh, and welcome to the forum. :)

[lookfar]

Hi dudester & welcome to the forum :)

Thanks for sharing your pics too, especially the moon one as we don't have many of those on here & I'm sure they do a lot of the spraying at night.

We've been hit quite heavily down south over the last few days too - we would be having a gloriously sunny day (as has been up till now), but the gradual chem-soup has now merged together to form cloud everywhere, bastards!!:mad:

Hope you enjoy it here & look forward to seeing more of your posts....:D

[dmt head]

The spraying today is ridiculous first really sunny day here in Glasgow and I leave work and see loads everywhere its shocking, could someone maybe pm me to tell me how to upload pics im not the sharpest tool in the box and I got a couple today its shocking though! One of the worst ever!

[russel]

I was in Reading over the weekend and for the first time noticed how bad this thing was. I didn't know anything about chemtrails until i started reading this forum. The Reading sky was covered in them. London is overcast today so I can't see anything but I will be looking up in future.

[lookfar]

The spraying today is ridiculous first really sunny day here in Glasgow and I leave work and see loads everywhere its shocking, could someone maybe pm me to tell me how to upload pics im not the sharpest tool in the box and I got a couple today its shocking though! One of the worst ever!

Hi dmt head:)

Once you have the pics on your pc, go to www.imageshack.us (http://www.imageshack.us) & click Browse, when you have the pic selected choose the size you want it (I usually choose 800x600), then hit Host it. Once it has uploaded you will see about 4 options, choose the bottom one, copy & then paste that into your post using the Insert Image icon above (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/editor/insertimage.gif), delete out the 'http://' bit first & paste the link in & that should be it:D

Let me know if you have any problems....:)

[mike2425]

Thanks for the warm welcome, as you may be aware i update my videos on youtube 3 times a week.......i feel a compulsion everytime i go out to take the camera.
So my video collection gets bigger by the week.
I will not stop snapping until it stops and that could be a long time!!!!!
Try to enjoy what sunshine we do have LOL.:cool:

[none]

I live in the Scottish highlands and yesterday was a beautiful blue sky day, then I looked up and saw several trails criss crossing the sky .... the trails seemed to turn into clouds and a while later my mystery cough that i've had for 4 months flared up big style and my chest was as tight as 'F' .... this may have been psychosomatic because I had been texting my brother about the ways we are being poisoned and was having quite a paranoid time anyway. I have pics in my phone, but I won't be able to upload them until tonight .... i'll post them, if they come out ok.

[dmt head]

Hi dmt head:)

Once you have the pics on your pc, go to www.imageshack.us (http://www.imageshack.us) & click Browse, when you have the pic selected choose the size you want it (I usually choose 800x600), then hit Host it. Once it has uploaded you will see about 4 options, choose the bottom one, copy & then paste that into your post using the Insert Image icon above (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/editor/insertimage.gif), delete out the 'http://' bit first & paste the link in & that should be it:D

Let me know if you have any problems....:)

Thanks for the help thats great so here they are, hope it works [img=http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3531/0000244yg8.th.jpg] (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000244yg8.jpg)

[img=http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1480/0000243ey0.th.jpg] (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000243ey0.jpg)

[dmt head]

Im in Scotland too none (Glasgow) and yesterday was pretty bad, todays not been much better!! I heard yesterday that a guy I know, his names pedsi here, took some pics of the planes with the black line out in front of them, that was yesterday. Hes just outside Glasgow. I only got two pics yesterday and that was in my area but I was over the other side of the city then I was outside the city and it was the same down there, they start early when the skys clear so by tea time the whole skies are covered all I can see now is haze! :mad:

[howie]

Thanks for the help thats great so here they are, hope it works [img=http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3531/0000244yg8.th.jpg] (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000244yg8.jpg)

[img=http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1480/0000243ey0.th.jpg] (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000243ey0.jpg)

Bloody hell:eek: those are some of the worst I've ever seen!

[dmt head]

Innit!! Couldnt beleive it myself when I got home I got my cousin out to have a look and even he was shocked think hes beginning to see it for himself, it was like that all over the city yesterday! :eek:

[marpat]

So does anybody know what the chemical composition of these chemtrails is?

has their nature been ascertained yet by any reliable researcher?

[lookfar]

Thanks for the help thats great so here they are, hope it works

img291.imageshack.us/img291/3531/0000244yg8.th.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000244yg8.jpg)

img183.imageshack.us/img183/1480/0000243ey0.th.jpg (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000243ey0.jpg)

You're welcome, well done sorta:D although I dunno what went wrong, but you can click on them so that's cool:)

Fooking hell dmt head, that's some serious chemmying you guys had up there, jeez!!!:mad:

[daveybpl]

Glasgow's chem action yesterday was bad. I get a good view of the city from my work and on a clear day they really do stick out.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/daveybpl/DSC00828.jpg

[specialk85]

Hi
I live in Glasgow and the chemical spraying here in the last 2 days is the worst i have ever seen. Yesterday it was constant spraying all day. They seem to criss cross over the city center, I took pictures but for some reason they turned out a bit dark. The fact not many people question this and don't even notice it is beyond me..

[lookfar]

Hi
I live in Glasgow, the chemical spraying here in the last 2 days is the worst i have ever seen. Yesterday it it was constant spraying all day. They seem to criss cross over the city center, I took pictures but for some reason they turned out a bit dark. The fact not many people question this and don't even notice it is beyond me..

Hi specialk85 & welcome to the forum:)

Yeah you guys seem to be getting hit very heavily at the mo & it's not good:( Hope it improves for you soon (when it'll no doubt be our turn down south again as they're not spraying much here at the moment, which is a bit weird).

Shame about your pics.

I look forward to seeing you around & hope you enjoy it here:)

[specialk85]

I look forward to seeing you around & hope you enjoy it here:)

I appreciate it.

It looks like the intense spraying up here has finally stopped today as the skies are totally clear. Although God knows how the last few days of spraying will affect us.

p.s. I like the bill hicks quote.

[steevo]

I appreciate it.

It looks like the intense spraying up here has finally stopped today as the skies are totally clear. Although God knows how the last few days of spraying will affect us.

p.s. I like the bill hicks quote.

Maybe they are two busy at the moment spraying in Burma ?

[lookfar]

I appreciate it.

It looks like the intense spraying up here has finally stopped today as the skies are totally clear. Although God knows how the last few days of spraying will affect us.

p.s. I like the bill hicks quote.

Ah you're welcome:)

I'm pleased to hear that you guys are having a break from it all today. Yeah I dread to think what damage they're causing, especially when sprays are that heavy. I personally use the Chembuster (http://www.chembuster.us/chembuster.htm) homeopathic formula made by Dr von Peters (advertised on Don Croft's website) when we get hit hard here, & I believe it helps with the symptoms.

Hehe glad you like the quote, he was a brilliant man imo, bless him:D

[howie]

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/329/000001vf2.jpg

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/8347/000043vd5.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3168/000048ue7.jpg

USAF

Contrails become visible roughly about a wingspan distance behind the aircraft

letter from US Air force (http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/102/dod1e782858dwu7.jpg)

[mr_pixie]

These photo's were taken in Merseyside a few months ago.

http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/hh108/Lizardhunter/?action=view&current=P1310005.jpg

http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/hh108/Lizardhunter/?action=view&current=P2070007.jpg

http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/hh108/Lizardhunter/?action=view&current=P2070008.jpg

[chattanova]

After an spraying-overdrive for the last weeks it seems to have totally stopped for the last 3 days. This is weird, the conditions are perfect but the sky is all blue :) Not very often around here . (West coast of Norway)

[chattanova]

Are there really any passenger flights that sprays? I've never noticed that.
It seems like there's most military jets doing it. And they can for sure fly as close-by as possible. Check this out, excellent footage!

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4521/Near_Miss_Plane_Collision_/

[dmt head]

Ive seen normal planes leaving trails behind before but they quickly dissapear

[lookfar]

Are there really any passenger flights that sprays? I've never noticed that.
It seems like there's most military jets doing it. And they can for sure fly as close-by as possible. Check this out, excellent footage!

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4521/Near_Miss_Plane_Collision_/

Hi Chatt:)

Unfortunately it's not clear if passenger planes are spraying or not, although it wouldn't surprise me if some of them were.

That is good footage there, it's almost like they're having a game with eachother isn't it by creating that X in the sky!?:rolleyes:

[pedsi]

Are there really any passenger flights that sprays? I've never noticed that.
It seems like there's most military jets doing it. And they can for sure fly as close-by as possible. Check this out, excellent footage!

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4521/Near_Miss_Plane_Collision_/

Great footage........Deffinately millatery planes.I reckon commercial jets would never fly so close to each other.

[howie]

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1666/000118tn9.jpg

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/70/000135dh2.jpg

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1062/000145rl2.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9792/0001450zh7.jpg

15:54 10 May

[trogdolyte]

North East England - 10th May 2008.

http://usera.imagecave.com/trogdolyte/01.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/trogdolyte/02.jpg

The two pictures below may also be of interest to you. They were taken yesterday evening just before nightfall. No actual chemtrails, but a strange glowing object leaving a contrail?

Click to view full size (1600x1200)
http://usera.imagecave.com/trogdolyte/03.jpghttp://usera.imagecave.com/trogdolyte/04.jpg

[chipstyxx]

I was just watching a plane / trails over manchester and I was wondering what kind of plane it was. The one I was watching looked alot like the ones Howie has posted. The wings seem more 'pointy' than the boeing passenger types. I will have to ask my dad, he's somewhat of an aviation nut/expert (in a completely unofficial capacity mind).

Hi Trogdolyte, interesting UFO! The only explanation I can think of is that it's evening sun reflecting off a plane. But if you saw no planes when taking the photo and it's too small to be a plane, then it really is interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[magicmerlin]

For those of you who worry about what they spray up there (as I do), overnight/tomorrow may be a good time to shut the windows. Looks like the fine weather is going to break with a bang. I wonder that during periods of fine weather, they spray alot to fill the air with this stuff and then wash it down. Anyway, better safe than sorry.


"A big change in the weather on Thursday for parts of the south as the dry and sunny weather is replaced by heavy and prolonged outbreaks of rain. It looks as though the south east and central southern areas may bear the brunt of it, with rainfall totals possibly in excess of 30mm during Thursday. The ground in these areas has been baked recently and so a lot of the water is likely to run off rather than being absorbed into the ground, and this will increase the potential for localised flooding to develop."

[rynath]

I was gonna draw an arrow to point out the chems but...you know.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3530/arrowmi6.jpg

[beldazar]

Hey good pic rynath! They had to get bored sometime, they drew semi-circles here once and I have been waiting for something more elaborate :D

[jennf]

They did a huge one where I live of an X last weekend wish I'd had my phone or camera with me would have put it on :(

[marpat]

I am a bit curious. There are loads of pic in here of supposed chem trails. Has anybody researched contrails and how they are formed, how they can persist or leaves gaps due to slight changes in the weather, etc?

These pics look like contrails to me and unless somebody actually manages to get a chemical analysis of the supposed trail then it is just a speculation. What is the basis for stating that these are chemtrails?

[jennf]

I am a bit curious. There are loads of pic in here of supposed chem trails. Has anybody researched contrails and how they are formed, how they can persist or leaves gaps due to slight changes in the weather, etc?

These pics look like contrails to me and unless somebody actually manages to get a chemical analysis of the supposed trail then it is just a speculation. What is the basis for stating that these are chemtrails?

Hi I would suggest looking at the headline page of this site or googling/youtubing there are lots and lots of pages of info on this subject :)

[rynath]

I am a bit curious. There are loads of pic in here of supposed chem trails. Has anybody researched contrails and how they are formed, how they can persist or leaves gaps due to slight changes in the weather, etc?

These pics look like contrails to me and unless somebody actually manages to get a chemical analysis of the supposed trail then it is just a speculation. What is the basis for stating that these are chemtrails?

What really bugs me is if all these are normal, vapor contrails...then they are effecting the weather by creating cloudcover whether they want to or not. Either way...chems or cons...they are having an effect on the weather and on us.

What I don't understand is how I can see 2 planes at roughly the same altitude and one is putting forth a huge trail while the other isn't doing anything.

[marpat]

Hi I would suggest looking at the headline page of this site or googling/youtubing there are lots and lots of pages of info on this subject :)

It is easy to find vids that people class as chemtrails but what I would like to know is what is the basis for this judgement. What looks like contrails are being called chemtrails. I am not trying to debunk anything but I would just like to hear some real solid explanations.

I do know that the US did experiement with chemical spraying on the population but this does not mean that every trail in the sky is a chemtrail.

If there is hard evidence that these are chemicals being sprayed into the atmosphere then why has nobody tried to make this at least political. Also, it is a fact the aircraft sometimes have to dump fuel in the air if they are carrying too much so that they do not have a heavy landing. I know people who fly who have told me this.

[eyepod]

It is easy to find vids that people class as chemtrails but what I would like to know is what is the basis for this judgement. What looks like contrails are being called chemtrails. I am not trying to debunk anything but I would just like to hear some real solid explanations.

I do know that the US did experiement with chemical spraying on the population but this does not mean that every trail in the sky is a chemtrail.

If there is hard evidence that these are chemicals being sprayed into the atmosphere then why has nobody tried to make this at least political. Also, it is a fact the aircraft sometimes have to dump fuel in the air if they are carrying too much so that they do not have a heavy landing. I know people who fly who have told me this.

These two articles are written by a meterologist. Check them out they explain it all pretty well. Plenty of self explanatory pics also.

It's not difficult to figure out the difference between the two. Contrails disipate rapidly into nothing after about 30 seconds. Chemtrails linger for hours spreading to form weird clouds and haze. They are not planes dumping fuels!

http://weatherwars.info/?page_id=22

http://weatherwars.info/?page_id=23

[beldazar]

Marpat Im 42 years old, we only ever had a plane fly over about once a month and the trail would quickly disapperate, several months ago over 40 planes flew over before 1.30pm!!! I doubt these were separate planes cos I have witnessed a plane stop spraying, do a u-turn and resume spraying again! I suggest you use your eyes, since when do planes forget which direction they are going in? :eek:

[marpat]

Marpat Im 42 years old, we only ever had a plane fly over about once a month and the trail would quickly disapperate, several months ago over 40 planes flew over before 1.30pm!!! I doubt these were separate planes cos I have witnessed a plane stop spraying, do a u-turn and resume spraying again! I suggest you use your eyes, since when do planes forget which direction they are going in? :eek:

And you don't think that it could be perhaps a military exercise? what part of the country do you live in? this could explain some things and why do you think it would need 40 planes to spary where you live. What is in that area to demand such huge air activity?

My eye work fine but I tend not to be a believer in things until I see some facts to back things up. Planes don't forget direction (pilots do) but what if that was the only flightplan they were allowed to use?

[marpat]

These two articles are written by a meterologist. Check them out they explain it all pretty well. Plenty of self explanatory pics also.

It's not difficult to figure out the difference between the two. Contrails disipate rapidly into nothing after about 30 seconds. Chemtrails linger for hours spreading to form weird clouds and haze. They are not planes dumping fuels!

http://weatherwars.info/?page_id=22

http://weatherwars.info/?page_id=23

What you state as the difference between contrails and chemtrails could easily be due to changes in atmospheric conditions. As the atmosphere is not perfectly uniform then you would expect gaps in the trails. Wind speed will also help determine how long something lingers in the air.

Before I would accept this theory I would need to know:

1) What type of chemical is being used
2) What the target is
3) Why was that target chosen
4) What type of aircraft is being used
5) Are these normal air corridors which get busy at times


Until questions like this can be satisfied then you have nothing to go on except speculation and if you went public with that then you would have no chance. To fly some of the supposed patterns you would need to do it deliberatetly and the only jets that would fly in that way are military jets. Then you have to discount that they may be on an exercise or testing equipment that is new, etc. Then you have the question 'do the pilots know'. The fact is that all aircrew know about such phenomena as it is part of their training so you would think they would see something was not right. I doubt that military pilots would willingly take part in illegal operations to poison populations, and although the US has done this in the past it does not mean it is happening now.

[steevo]

What you state as the difference between contrails and chemtrails could easily be due to changes in atmospheric conditions. As the atmosphere is not perfectly uniform then you would expect gaps in the trails. Wind speed will also help determine how long something lingers in the air.

Before I would accept this theory I would need to know:

1) What type of chemical is being used
2) What the target is
3) Why was that target chosen
4) What type of aircraft is being used
5) Are these normal air corridors which get busy at times


Until questions like this can be satisfied then you have nothing to go on except speculation and if you went public with that then you would have no chance. To fly some of the supposed patterns you would need to do it deliberatetly and the only jets that would fly in that way are military jets. Then you have to discount that they may be on an exercise or testing equipment that is new, etc. Then you have the question 'do the pilots know'. The fact is that all aircrew know about such phenomena as it is part of their training so you would think they would see something was not right. I doubt that military pilots would willingly take part in illegal operations to poison populations, and although the US has done this in the past it does not mean it is happening now.

These 2 videos are interesting Marpart :-

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iIAWWL4HQDg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI

[rynath]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBjDSNWiuKQ&feature=related

[eyepod]

What you state as the difference between contrails and chemtrails could easily be due to changes in atmospheric conditions. As the atmosphere is not perfectly uniform then you would expect gaps in the trails. Wind speed will also help determine how long something lingers in the air.

Before I would accept this theory I would need to know:

1) What type of chemical is being used
2) What the target is
3) Why was that target chosen
4) What type of aircraft is being used
5) Are these normal air corridors which get busy at times


Until questions like this can be satisfied then you have nothing to go on except speculation and if you went public with that then you would have no chance. To fly some of the supposed patterns you would need to do it deliberatetly and the only jets that would fly in that way are military jets. Then you have to discount that they may be on an exercise or testing equipment that is new, etc. Then you have the question 'do the pilots know'. The fact is that all aircrew know about such phenomena as it is part of their training so you would think they would see something was not right. I doubt that military pilots would willingly take part in illegal operations to poison populations, and although the US has done this in the past it does not mean it is happening now.

Marpat

All the questions you asked and misgivings as to why they don't exist are answered in the two links I gave you. But since you cannot be bothered to read your not going to learn anything new.

I live very close to Heathrow airport and have done most of my life, it has some of the busiest airspace in the world. When I was younger I was always spotting planes. My next door neighbour back then was an aircraft engineer, I asked him what the "smoke" was that came out of the back. It was mostly iced up water vapour.

Now I remember this distinctly, contrails ALWAYS disappeared within about 30 secs to 1 min back then but now you have both contrails and chemtrails. But I suppose according to you the atmosphere or some such has changed over the last 10 years or so.

Marpat, don't bother reading anything, go back to sleep now, the government efforts at controlling you have obviously worked.

[marpat]

Marpat

All the questions you asked and misgivings as to why they don't exist are answered in the two links I gave you. But since you cannot be bothered to read your not going to learn anything new.

I live very close to Heathrow airport and have done most of my life, it has some of the busiest airspace in the world. When I was younger I was always spotting planes. My next door neighbour back then was an aircraft engineer, I asked him what the "smoke" was that came out of the back. It was mostly iced up water vapour.

Now I remember this distinctly, contrails ALWAYS disappeared within about 30 secs to 1 min back then but now you have both contrails and chemtrails. But I suppose according to you the atmosphere or some such has changed over the last 10 years or so.

Marpat, don't bother reading anything, go back to sleep now, the government efforts at controlling you have obviously worked.

I have watched the above videos. I am not suprised really that there is experiments going on in weather management. If such a thing became possible then could it not help to create water clouds in drought areas, etc?

I find your response typically arrogant just because I like to see proof. Really typical of people who believe they know everything that is going on but cannot actually prove it, but still like to tell everybody else that they are wrong. If you have full blown proof that this is some illegal activity go public and demand some explanations.

Can you explain misgivings? until there is definite proof then you cannot state that I am wrong to ask those questions.

I seriously doubt that there would be a deliberate attempt to poison us as the people who run the country breath the same air as the rest of us and you can't confine airborne stuff to well defined areas.

I think there must have been some atmospheric changes in the last ten years. The weather is not the same as when I was young.

[steevo]

Marpat, your comments are typical of a Skeptic. Skeptics dont question things from all angles. They only try to debunk other people's theories and base their debunking on their current belief system which is usually limited by having a closed mind. Skeptics dont even feel the need to provide evidence of their own beliefs, they just try to debunk other peoples theories (which are actually based on evidence).

[eyepod]

Marpat

All the questions you asked and misgivings as to why they don't exist are answered in the two links I gave you. But since you cannot be bothered to read your not going to learn anything new.

I live very close to Heathrow airport and have done most of my life, it has some of the busiest airspace in the world. When I was younger I was always spotting planes. My next door neighbour back then was an aircraft engineer, I asked him what the "smoke" was that came out of the back. It was mostly iced up water vapour.

Now I remember this distinctly, contrails ALWAYS disappeared within about 30 secs to 1 min back then but now you have both contrails and chemtrails. But I suppose according to you the atmosphere or some such has changed over the last 10 years or so.

Marpat, don't bother reading anything, go back to sleep now, the government efforts at controlling you have obviously worked.

I have watched the above videos. I am not suprised really that there is experiments going on in weather management. If such a thing became possible then could it not help to create water clouds in drought areas, etc?

I find your response typically arrogant just because I like to see proof. Really typical of people who believe they know everything that is going on but cannot actually prove it, but still like to tell everybody else that they are wrong. If you have full blown proof that this is some illegal activity go public and demand some explanations.

Can you explain misgivings? until there is definite proof then you cannot state that I am wrong to ask those questions.

I seriously doubt that there would be a deliberate attempt to poison us as the people who run the country breath the same air as the rest of us and you can't confine airborne stuff to well defined areas.

I think there must have been some atmospheric changes in the last ten years. The weather is not the same as when I was young.


Your misgivings i.e. your doubts (among other things) were given as

1) What type of chemical is being used

Answered in the two links I gave you and one of the videos someone else kindly provided for you. i.e compounds of barium, aluminium.

2) What the target is

Answered in the two links I gave you. Too complicated to explain here, read the links.

3) Why was that target chosen

You can figure that out yourself from answer 2)

4) What type of aircraft is being used

Specifically answered in the two links. A variety but were mostly military.

5) Are these normal air corridors which get busy at times

Answered in the two links. But generally no.

I like to see proof

Germany admits extensive Chemtrail operations
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/2893/Germany_admits_extensive_Chemtrail_operations/?vpkey=

How about a nice video from German TV for you to watch? With subtitles.

[marpat]

Marpat, your comments are typical of a Skeptic. Skeptics dont question things from all angles. They only try to debunk other people's theories and base their debunking on their current belief system which is usually limited by having a closed mind. Skeptics dont even feel the need to provide evidence of their own beliefs, they just try to debunk other peoples theories (which are actually based on evidence).


Nothing wrong with some healthy skepticism. Why do skeptics only promote their own views? if they are impartial then they should look at all angles and I will happily accept what people are saying in here if they give something really solid and undisputable.

The fact that a person is skeptical means they do not base their ideas on beliefs so to say they only debunk people who disagree with them is wrong.

Also having a questionning mind is not even remotely the same as having a closed mind. A questioning mind is searching for facts not beliefs and speculations whereas a closed mind does not look.

[marpat]

[QUOTE=marpat;360515]


Your misgivings i.e. your doubts (among other things) were given as

1) What type of chemical is being used

Answered in the two links I gave you and one of the videos someone else kindly provided for you. i.e compounds of barium, aluminium.

2) What the target is

Answered in the two links I gave you. Too complicated to explain here, read the links.

3) Why was that target chosen

You can figure that out yourself from answer 2)

4) What type of aircraft is being used

Specifically answered in the two links. A variety but were mostly military.

5) Are these normal air corridors which get busy at times

Answered in the two links. But generally no.



Germany admits extensive Chemtrail operations
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/2893/Germany_admits_extensive_Chemtrail_operations/?vpkey=

How about a nice video from German TV for you to watch? With subtitles.

Good video. Thats is the sort of thing I do find interesting. I looked at another one in their selection showing trails above Scotland and a guy phoning the airports for information. Although the airports could not give information about the flights is is possible that they could be US military flight passing high above UK commercial airspace on their way to Afghanistan or somewhere. In that case perhaps any trails were due to the altitude. Several type of aircraft have the capability to fly such distances with refuelling on route.

It makes me curious though. If these clouds cause short term memory loss, etc. then surely officials and military people in these countries must also be affected by the chemicals, so it's like an own goal really. There is no way to discriminate with such methods.

In NBC warfare many methods are availble for delivering chemicals to a defined target but spraying will just cover everything, which is generally far from ideal as it contaminates whole areas which are then unavailable for use by anybody else. To affect a population it would be far easier to pop something into the water supply or food supply. Delivering stuff by air is just not efficient unless you want to cover abosolutely everything.

[catfood]

When I was young I distinctly remember noticing that airplanes some times left long clouds that would not always disappear and today I don’t see any difference.
Last month I was at one of my relative’s house for diner. Her husband is a retired pilot so I asked him ‘why is it that contrails sometimes dissipate quickly and sometimes will stay indefinitely’ he explained that it was all down to atmospheric conditions like temperature air pressure and the amount of water vapour present. He also told me that when passing though clouds you sometimes get contrails where there is no visible condensation in the air but people don’t see this for obvious reasons.
He went on to tell me that a lot of research has gone into being able to predict when contrails will form but they are still virtually unpredictable.
I am yet to come across any thing to convince me of the existence of cemtrails.

[beldazar]

No Marpat, thats right! They DONT need over 40 planes where I live! Hence why I said they stop spraying and turn around the other way! :)

[marpat]

No Marpat, thats right! They DONT need over 40 planes where I live! Hence why I said they stop spraying and turn around the other way! :)


There are some bases in your region. You don't think that it could be a military exercise? I know that some involve the massing of aircraft over areas to form up for practice attacks, etc.

[beldazar]

the planes that leave chemtrails arent military planes, at least I dont think so, they are white unmarked planes.
Yes there is raf st, mawgan nearby and penhale army camp too. A friend of mine has just jacked in his job at st mawgan tarmacking the runways, he was there a few months. He didnt see ANY white planes but he did see some fighter planes and was amazed at their vertical takeoff. I hear fighter jets here on occasions.
There isnt a base large enough for these planes for miles,
Marpat, you are invited here anytime to see for yourself

[marpat]

the planes that leave chemtrails arent military planes, at least I dont think so, they are white unmarked planes.
Yes there is raf st, mawgan nearby and penhale army camp too. A friend of mine has just jacked in his job at st mawgan tarmacking the runways, he was there a few months. He didnt see ANY white planes but he did see some fighter planes and was amazed at their vertical takeoff. I hear fighter jets here on occasions.
There isnt a base large enough for these planes for miles,
Marpat, you are invited here anytime to see for yourself

White planes sound like commercial jets. The only military jet that may fit the bill is a VC10, which is used for refuelling.

Vertical take off is very 60's technology but still looks impressive. There is also the possibility that jets from further inland carry out sorties to the coast and back for training purposes, which would explain the U-turns.

Don't think I am trying to debunk anything, I am just looking at the ovbious solutions first before moving to anything else.

[beldazar]

yes I can see that but do you really suppose that I wouldnt like to think that the people controlling our world arent up to nefarious deeds? I have two young boys growing up here, I would love to think there was nothing amiss :mad:

[marpat]

yes I can see that but do you really suppose that I wouldnt like to think that the people controlling our world arent up to nefarious deeds? I have two young boys growing up here, I would love to think there was nothing amiss :mad:

I am a family man myself so I share the concerns of any parent in this world.

[beldazar]

perhaps thats why you are finding it difficult to take in? Do you read the Headlines page? Rense has a couple of articles there.
I have done plenty of research into the phenomenon, I suppose its hard to see into someones head, how they think, feel etc...and see what they see through their eyes and how they interpret it. Im not a natural doom-mongerer but I know what feels right for me

[marpat]

perhaps thats why you are finding it difficult to take in? Do you read the Headlines page? Rense has a couple of articles there.
I have done plenty of research into the phenomenon, I suppose its hard to see into someones head, how they think, feel etc...and see what they see through their eyes and how they interpret it. Im not a natural doom-mongerer but I know what feels right for me


To be honest I don't trust rense after he posted stuff about supposed chemtrail aircraft on the ground when in fact it was an aircraft used for inflight refuelling. There was absolutely nothing to show that the aircraft was anything else. There was an attempt to describe the pod carried under the wing but I posted a link showing it was actually the pod on an tanker, nothing unusual, looked almost like the same pic too. The pic is an official one too so it's not like they would be showing something that would be used for illegal activities.

[steevo]

To be honest I don't trust rense after he posted stuff about supposed chemtrail aircraft on the ground when in fact it was an aircraft used for inflight refuelling. There was absolutely nothing to show that the aircraft was anything else. There was an attempt to describe the pod carried under the wing but I posted a link showing it was actually the pod on an tanker, nothing unusual, looked almost like the same pic too. The pic is an official one too so it's not like they would be showing something that would be used for illegal activities.

What other things has Rense done that you dont trust ?

[marpat]

What other things has Rense done that you dont trust ?

Haven't really looked at his stuff but if something as simple as a flight refuelling tanker has been falsely classed as a chemtrail lane then I suspect that more complex subjects are going to be completely wrong.

If he can't get the simple stuff right then how can the heavy stuff be accurate?

If you knew somebody who could not control their finances would you trust them to be your accountant?

[steevo]

Haven't really looked at his stuff but if something as simple as a flight refuelling tanker has been falsely classed as a chemtrail lane then I suspect that more complex subjects are going to be completely wrong.

If he can't get the simple stuff right then how can the heavy stuff be accurate?

If you knew somebody who could not control their finances would you trust them to be your accountant?

Sorry Marpat, the accountant thing and conspiracy researcher are two TOTALLY different things. They are not comparable.

Rense IN YOUR OPINION made only ONE error and therefore you dont trust him ? I think that you need to check out more of his stuff before you consider him untrustworthy, but that is up to you to make your own mind up.

Anyway back to the Chem-Trails :)

[marpat]

Sorry Marpat, the accountant thing and conspiracy researcher are two TOTALLY different things. They are not comparable.

Rense IN YOUR OPINION made only ONE error and therefore you dont trust him ? I think that you need to check out more of his stuff before you consider him untrustworthy, but that is up to you to make your own mind up.

Anyway back to the Chem-Trails :)


How is it in my opinion? The pics he used say it all as I found the same pics on official military sites and they are not likely to use pics of aircraft that are used for spraying chemtrails. The fact is he used false information to further his conspiracy beliefs and to try and further the conspiracy of chemtrails. This is a FACT. There is an attempt to describe the refuelling pod without any actualy knowledge of what it is. If that is what you want to believe then be my guest but I will not side up with somebody who has blantantly lied to further a conspiracy. I think I will look into his stuff now just to find faults with it.

Why dont you try and prove that I was wrong about the tanker.

Here is the exact picture on this link

http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/tanker_flight_240205.htm

[steevo]

How is it in my opinion? The pics he used say it all as I found the same pics on official military sites and they are not likely to use pics of aircraft that are used for spraying chemtrails. The fact is he used false information to further his conspiracy beliefs and to try and further the conspiracy of chemtrails. This is a FACT. There is an attempt to describe the refuelling pod without any actualy knowledge of what it is. If that is what you want to believe then be my guest but I will not side up with somebody who has blantantly lied to further a conspiracy. I think I will look into his stuff now just to find faults with it.

Why dont you try and prove that I was wrong about the tanker.

But it IS YOUR OPINION.

[marpat]

But it IS YOUR OPINION.

Steevo follow the link and this will show you what he was saying is a chemtrail plane. Fact not opinion. Why dont you just turn your senses off and ignore the facts. You want to believe and thats enough for you.


http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/tanker_flight_240205.htm

[steevo]

Steevo follow the link and this will show you what he was saying is a chemtrail plane. Fact not opinion. Why dont you just turn your senses off and ignore the facts. You want to believe and thats enough for you.


http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/tanker_flight_240205.htm

"Facts". You like to use that word cos you think it puts forward a case where we cannot disagree with you. A typical Skeptic with a capital "S"

What is a "fact" in your opinion ? Just by saying "oh it's a fact, everyone knows that, click the link it shows the facts". It dont show facts it just shows information.

There is tons of info/evidence about chem trails on this thread. Youre just a de-bunker (Skeptic) with no evidence that backs up what you say. You use Skeptics tactics. When are you gonna use the Santa Claus line ?

[marpat]

"Facts". You like to use that word cos you think it puts forward a case where we cannot disagree with you. A typical Skeptic with a capital "S"

What is a "fact" in your opinion ? Just by saying "oh it's a fact, everyone knows that, click the link it shows the facts". It dont show facts it just shows information.

There is tons of info/evidence about chem trails on this thread. Youre just a de-bunker (Skeptic) with no evidence that backs up what you say. You use Skeptics tactics. When are you gonna use the Santa Claus line ?

Fucking hell what are you like. I bet if your gay lover bent you over you would turn that into a conspiracy about being rogered by a reptoid.

Lets talk about evidence. Where is rense evidence that the aricraft shown is chemtrailing? nowhere because he lied about it. I am not going to argue with you about this as you are not interested in an open debate. All you want is for people to think and believe in the same theories as you do. You are nothing but a robot, a slave to conspiracy theories and your absolute denial of the fact I put to you above just proves it.

Like I said before having a questioning mind (skeptic) does not mean debunking. It means searching for truth, which is obviously something your oblivious to.

A fact is something that can be clearly explained, such as a picture or a jet with refuelling pods (yes an actual real jet). If chemtrails were clearly explained then there would be no conspiracy theory as you would be able to demonstrate the fact, and then it could not be denied.

[steevo]

A fact is something that can be clearly explained, such as a picture or a jet with refuelling pods (yes an actual real jet). If chemtrails were clearly explained then there would be no conspiracy theory as you would be able to demonstrate the fact, and then it could not be denied.

Well if you want to throw words like "fact" about then how can anyone take you seriously. You are TOLD something is a "fact" so you use that word as if it gives you the moral high ground or something, when really it means sod all.

A fact isnt really a fact unless both of us can agree on it. And you have shown no facts. Just opinions. There is nothing wrong with opinions but when you call them facts....hmmmm

This thread is going off topic, it's turning into a thread about Rense's credibility. Maybe you should start a thread about Rense and how you think he is trying to deceive us because of his one error (in YOUR opinion :D). And maybe you can outline all your facts in it for us all to discuss ?

[marpat]

Well if you want to throw words like "fact" about then how can anyone take you seriously. You are TOLD something is a "fact" so you use that word as if it gives you the moral high ground or something, when really it means sod all.

A fact isnt really a fact unless both of us can agree on it. And you have shown no facts. Just opinions. There is nothing wrong with opinions but when you call them facts....hmmmm

This thread is going off topic, it's turning into a thread about Rense's credibility. Maybe you should start a thread about Rense and how you think he is trying to deceive us because of his one error (in YOUR opinion :D). And maybe you can outline all your facts in it for us all to discuss ?

Are you retarded or what? his information was a lie and you are saying it is an opinion. You wont agree because your heros credability is at stake here and it would kill you if you had to admit I was right.

Something is not proved a fact by how many people agree to it but by how it can be demonstrated. As a conspiracy theorist something generally becomes a fact for people like you when an idea has a given quota of believers, even when such an idea cannot be demonstrated an proven.

[steevo]

Are you retarded or what? his information was a lie and you are saying it is an opinion. You wont agree because your heros credability is at stake here and it would kill you if you had to admit I was right. .

Wrong again. Rense is not my hero. It's the INFORMATION I am interested in. Yet you try to discredit the PERSON with you weak "facts" and attempt to de-bunk.

Something is not proved a fact by how many people agree to it but by how it can be demonstrated. As a conspiracy theorist something generally becomes a fact for people like you when an idea has a given quota of believers, even when such an idea cannot be demonstrated an proven.

"People like me" lol. A fact is something that can be agreed on by 2 or more people as a means of furthering the debate. "Fact" is one of them dodgy words that is over-used by mainstream media/science and also by the Skeptics "Movement".

When you seek the truth, it's generally accepted by conspiracy researchers that if info is covered up or kept secret from the public, then there is normally something sinister/corrupt going on, otherwise why would they try to hide it ? Chem-trails is one of those things in my opinion and it's extremely hard to get to the truth and therefore there HAS to be theories in order to put the pieces together in the same way a crime detective works. So I dont think Rense could REALLY be discredited for putting forward pictures of what look like planes that could be used to spray chemicals. Have you a link to that Rense article Marpat ?

[marpat]

"People like me" lol. A fact is something that can be agreed on by 2 or more people as a means of furthering the debate. "Fact" is one of them dodgy words that is over-used by mainstream media/science and also by the Skeptics "Movement".

When you seek the truth, it's generally accepted by conspiracy researchers that if info is covered up or kept secret from the public, then there is normally something sinister/corrupt going on, otherwise why would they try to hide it ? Chem-trails is one of those things in my opinion and it's extremely hard to get to the truth and therefore there HAS to be theories in order to put the pieces together in the same way a crime detective works. So I dont think Rense could REALLY be discredited for putting forward pictures of what look like planes that could be used to spray chemicals. Have you a link to that Rense article Marpat ?

What you mean above is researchers dont really know what is going on so the agree with a conspiracy and then promulgate that until they know what is really going on.

Here is the link to renses article. Compare the pics with what I linked before.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26187

As you can see the attempt to describe a refuelling pod in such a blatant lie is just wrong. He is just guessing, not truly knowing anything about that aircraft. I have some familiarity with aircraft so I know he is talking shit.

[steevo]

What you mean above is researchers dont really know what is going on so the agree with a conspiracy and then promulgate that until they know what is really going on..

No I didnt mean that.

Here is the link to renses article. Compare the pics with what I linked before.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26187

As you can see the attempt to describe a refuelling pod in such a blatant lie is just wrong. He is just guessing, not truly knowing anything about that aircraft. I have some familiarity with aircraft so I know he is talking shit.

Thanks for the link Marpat. As I have already said, your "facts" are just your opinions and you are using Rense's findings to try to discredit the chem-trails theory by using the tactic of trying to discredit RENSE rather than trying to discredit the INFORMATION that has been put forward on this thread already. So we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

[peachped]

The original Rense article was titled --- 'Photo Of Chemtrail plane On The Ground?'

;)

[howie]

There's been none today only contrails which disappeared after a few seconds.

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1622/18may08fpp5.jpg

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/8568/18may08elo4.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1701/18may08ddo4.jpg

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6962/18may08cur5.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1337/18may08bhr5.jpg

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/1341/18may08amo3.jpg

[kweli]

It is easy to find vids that people class as chemtrails but what I would like to know is what is the basis for this judgement. What looks like contrails are being called chemtrails. I am not trying to debunk anything but I would just like to hear some real solid explanations.

I do know that the US did experiement with chemical spraying on the population but this does not mean that every trail in the sky is a chemtrail.

If there is hard evidence that these are chemicals being sprayed into the atmosphere then why has nobody tried to make this at least political. Also, it is a fact the aircraft sometimes have to dump fuel in the air if they are carrying too much so that they do not have a heavy landing. I know people who fly who have told me this.

Ok, so you know of the experiments(s) in the US, yet can't accept it's still happening? They've also admitted to previously spraying in the UK too, how much proof do you actually need? Is this not hard enough evidence for you?


Millions were in germ war tests
Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html

http://www.nr23.net/spray.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4507036.stm

http://fl0wer.net/germany_admits_clandestine_chemtrails_operations

[marpat]

Ok, so you know of the experiments(s) in the US, yet can't accept it's still happening? They've also admitted to previously spraying in the UK too, how much proof do you actually need? Is this not hard enough evidence for you?


Millions were in germ war tests
Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html

http://www.nr23.net/spray.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4507036.stm

http://fl0wer.net/germany_admits_clandestine_chemtrails_operations

I am not saying it is impossible but I really doubt it happens to the degree that people claim, if it is still happening today. The picture in this thread show nothing apart from vapours coming from jet engines, not from any spray tanks.
Just because experiments happened before does that prove it is happening now? also, what if they were doing experiments into forming clouds with the intent of creating clouds in drought regions? would that not be a positive use?

I would have to say that if there is hard evidence that such things are going on now then why are there not mass protests, why are people not complaining wherever they can find an ear, why are people not pushing leaflets in doors and walking outside of Downing st or the palace with placards on stating the issue? if there are 500 or more people in the UK who believe this is an issue then why don't they go to London and kick up a real stink?

[beldazar]

People just dont seem to notice them Marpat.

Do you get any where you live by the way?

Say you are right then, they are just contrails turning into clouds or a blanket of haze. (As if!) The tourist industry are going to lose out big-time when people get fed up going somewhere to soak up the sun when its ruined by cloud cover!
How dare they take away one of the few pleasures in life! :mad:

And no, I will NEVER believe that chemtrailing is a myth.

[beldazar]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=580_1210628568

Have you seen this by the way? It was on the Haarp thread, do you REALLY think this is normal??? :eek:

[marpat]

People just dont seem to notice them Marpat.

Do you get any where you live by the way?

Say you are right then, they are just contrails turning into clouds or a blanket of haze. (As if!) The tourist industry are going to lose out big-time when people get fed up going somewhere to soak up the sun when its ruined by cloud cover!
How dare they take away one of the few pleasures in life! :mad:

And no, I will NEVER believe that chemtrailing is a myth.

I am not trying to convert you from your beliefs, you may well be right and I may be wrong but as this moment who knows, but I will not just accept it as is without something more substantial. I can be a hard person to convince with anything, gone are the days when I accepted things on the face of it.
I was thinking that cloud production may be a way of bringing water to drought areas. I am not really suprised that experiments in controlling weather do happen an there has even been documentaries on this very subject talking about how to artificially form clouds.

The vid is interesting but what is it proving. I cant understand what they are saying. It could be weather patterns or anything. I am not a meteorologist to make claims about what those clouds were.

I live near Carlisle and I can't say that you get much up here, but then again I don't look for them. We do get a lot of air activity up here at times but I know what that is so it's no mystery.

[beldazar]

yeah I wonder where all the floods come from? (not that I think they are from chemtrails its just that your excuse to water drought areas is a little silly for us in 'rainy' england :))

Theres nothing wrong with being a bit skeptic, it can have a lot of benefits when its geared in the right direction

[kweli]

I am not saying it is impossible but I really doubt it happens to the degree that people claim, if it is still happening today. The picture in this thread show nothing apart from vapours coming from jet engines, not from any spray tanks.

Just because experiments happened before does that prove it is happening now? also, what if they were doing experiments into forming clouds with the intent of creating clouds in drought regions? would that not be a positive use?I would have to say that if there is hard evidence that such things are going on now then why are there not mass protests, why are people not complaining wherever they can find an ear, why are people not pushing leaflets in doors and walking outside of Downing st or the palace with placards on stating the issue? if there are 500 or more people in the UK who believe this is an issue then why don't they go to London and kick up a real stink?

I really don't feel the need to prove anything to you marpat, nothing personal, I just can't be arsed with skeptics. It's an area that I've concentrated my research on, I've always been an avid skywatcher too. I know what I believe and that's enough for me.

Don't know if you've read any of these reports? I found them to be very informative:

PDF REPORTS
This page contains military, government,and scientific reports pertaining to perpetual war,space wars,military budgets,aerial spraying,arms trading,procurement,and arms control, to list a few....

http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/MATRIX/FileSharing255.html

[beldazar]

Yes the vid Ive posted could well be just weird cloud formations but I have seen video's from people who have tested some filaments that have drifted down from them. If you are interested in finding out more, why dont you just google 'chemtrails' then make your mind up (or stay open)

[marpat]

I really don't feel the need to prove anything to you marpat, nothing personal, I just can't be arsed with skeptics. It's an area that I've concentrated my research on, I've always been an avid skywatcher too. I know what I believe and that's enough for me.

Don't know if you've read any of these reports? I found them to be very informative:

PDF REPORTS
This page contains military, government,and scientific reports pertaining to perpetual war,space wars,military budgets,aerial spraying,arms trading,procurement,and arms control, to list a few....

http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/MATRIX/FileSharing255.html

Didn't ask you to prove anything. I know how you feel though. I am an occultist and can't be arsed with explaining myself to people who just aren't interested. You know they will never listen to any arguement and you know that you will not deviate from something that has become part of you. If you feel that there is something to it then be all means follow it to it's conclusion. I am human and fallible so I may end up eating my own words!!!!

Those docs look juicy, I might have to get me some of them.

[kweli]

Didn't ask you to prove anything. I know how you feel though. I am an occultist and can't be arsed with explaining myself to people who just aren't interested. You know they will never listen to any arguement and you know that you will not deviate from something that has become part of you. If you feel that there is something to it then be all means follow it to it's conclusion. I am human and fallible so I may end up eating my own words!!!!

Those docs look juicy, I might have to get me some of them.

I think you just may do on this one. ;)

That's exactly what I mean though, it becomes labourious and tiring tryng to convince hardened skeptics, so why bother? It's a waste of precious time and energy. Each to their own hey, live and let live!

[largejack]

I am a bit curious. There are loads of pic in here of supposed chem trails. Has anybody researched contrails and how they are formed, how they can persist or leaves gaps due to slight changes in the weather, etc?

These pics look like contrails to me and unless somebody actually manages to get a chemical analysis of the supposed trail then it is just a speculation. What is the basis for stating that these are chemtrails?




But they don't stop and start and leave small gaps, if that happened I could be swayed to believe what you are saying. These chemtrails start and stop very suddenly but remain in one continuous line (and that's the key) before dissipating into normal jetstreams which then fade within seconds. But the part that doesn't fade is always intact and it swells and spreads, and teeth marks start dropping from it, and anyone with any intelligence knows it's NOT normal.

Not only that but how do you explain the parallel lines and neat sguare patterns that are produced. Normal commercial airplanes do not fly in neat squadrons and parallel lines. I think you are deceived Marpat. Of course you may have seen these things in the past, that is because systematic aerosol spraying was carried out between 1940 and 1979.

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VLNNwiKvlE


And these 'red' 'contrails' show that it's so easy for planes to spew out shite on us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8NmzfjIkI0&feature=related

[catfood]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW9j-_1haGk
What do you make of this vid?
I find it makes sense and it fits with the little knowledge I have about contrails.

[oiram]

Connecting the Dots! There is more to Chemtrails then we think!
Weather control and technology we not aware of could be related!
Amazing how many disasters happen right now! Predictions come true or technology helps Predictions to happen?
"All just Coincidental I don't think so!"

China: At least 21,500 die in killer earthquake (update 16th May)
Earthquake cloud, Chinese photographer catch prediction 2 days before earthquake occurred
http://pinewooddesign.co.uk/2008/05/12/earthquake-cloud-prediction/
May, 09,2008, 2 days b4 this chinese deadly earthquake, somebody took those photo in Linyi, Shandong province, east China, which you can see lot “line-shaped” cloud, and somebody spot it is Earthquake Cloud and predicted a 6+ earthquake will happen within 2 days, but they dont know where. Of course, nobody believe them that time. Then, 12, May, a 7.8 earthquake occurred in Wenchuan, Sichuan province, west China.

here is those cloud photo. (http://pinewooddesign.co.uk/2008/05/12/earthquake-cloud-prediction/)

[marpat]

But they don't stop and start and leave small gaps, if that happened I could be swayed to believe what you are saying. These chemtrails start and stop very suddenly but remain in one continuous line (and that's the key) before dissipating into normal jetstreams which then fade within seconds. But the part that doesn't fade is always intact and it swells and spreads, and teeth marks start dropping from it, and anyone with any intelligence knows it's NOT normal.

Not only that but how do you explain the parallel lines and neat sguare patterns that are produced. Normal commercial airplanes do not fly in neat squadrons and parallel lines. I think you are deceived Marpat. Of course you may have seen these things in the past, that is because systematic aerosol spraying was carried out between 1940 and 1979.

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VLNNwiKvlE


And these 'red' 'contrails' show that it's so easy for planes to spew out shite on us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8NmzfjIkI0&feature=related

If the contrails are formed by atmospheric conditions ann the atmosphere is not perfectly uniform then it is entirely possilbe for there to be gaps.

Commercial planes do fly in neat lines because there are air corridors for aircraft to use to help manage airspace and prevent planes straying into unauthorised areas. If they did not fly parallel then the chances of collision would be increased. Are you an expert on air traffic control? have you any aviation experience to back you ideas up?

Lets not get into the I'm smart and your not crap because you, like me, are not an expert on the weather, atmosphere or the effects of engines and vapours upon the atmosphere. The fact is that you know almost nothing otherwise you could prove without a doubt that the chemtrail theory is true and you would have data and solid evidence to back that up so that nobody could say the theory is false, but you don't have this info.

You think I am deceived but I could level the same accusation at you. Can you prove to me without a doubt that I am wrong without constantly using links to vids. That vid proves nothing really. A supposed scientist gives an interview but constantly speaks in terms of possibility, not likelihood or probability. The fact is that I could have paid some pensioner to read a prepared sheet for me that spoke of chemtrails and how nasty they are.

[largejack]

You're right Marpat I'm an insignificant little twat who knows nothing, that is why it is so easy for my government or whoever else controls us to spew whatever they like on people like me.

Of course I may be wrong and I hope I am but my instinct (and that is a more powerful tool than you think) and the huge amounts of research I've done on the net, my own observations compared to when I was younger, and let's not forget the official source about the aerosol spraying from 1940 to 1979, suggest people like me have a point, and if we're wrong why doesn't 'officialdom' have a big debate about it instead of remaining quiet.

Are you also trying to tell me that it's natural for planes to spew out 'red' trails and can even write words in the sky, and are you trying to convince me that it's impossible for these trails to contain chemicals and make it look like contrails to deceive people.

Ok, so you think I'm just another Joe Bloggs who knows nothing apart from the basic level of shit I was taught at school then listen to this guy who is an ex-scientist:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2815320198655156407

PS Normal airliners don't fly in close proximately at the same time

[catfood]

http://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/cloud-studies-115.jpg
picture taken 1967.

[catfood]

I am finding it hard to find a sauce of information on contrails witch has not taken up one side of the argument on cemtrails. Just want the science of contrails without it trying to prove or disprove anything.

[marpat]

You're right Marpat I'm an insignificant little twat who knows nothing, that is why it is so easy for my government or whoever else controls us to spew whatever they like on people like me.

Of course I may be wrong and I hope I am but my instinct (and that is a more powerful tool than you think) and the huge amounts of research I've done on the net, my own observations compared to when I was younger, and let's not forget the official source about the aerosol spraying from 1940 to 1979, suggest people like me have a point, and if we're wrong why doesn't 'officialdom' have a big debate about it instead of remaining quiet.

Are you also trying to tell me that it's natural for planes to spew out 'red' trails and can even write words in the sky, and are you trying to convince me that it's impossible for these trails to contain chemicals and make it look like contrails to deceive people.

Ok, so you think I'm just another Joe Bloggs who knows nothing apart from the basic level of shit I was taught at school then listen to this guy who is an ex-scientist:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2815320198655156407

PS Normal airliners don't fly in close proximately at the same time

You are not seriously suggesting that the video showing red vapours is actually genuine? I am sure that it is meant to convey an idea not a reality.

Ex-scientist. That makes me suspicious for a start. Has he turned away from science? could he not be a scientist who uses his knowledge as a weapon for good?

I am not totally against this chemtrail theory but I am not prepared to let people say I am deluded or deceived when they can offer nothing solid so that I can't ignore it. Vids on youtube could easily be faked. What if most of those vids were actually part of a conspiracy to make people chase the chemtrail theory when something else is truly going on?

You will have to forgive me for my stance but I do not believe every vid made by a claimed Phd, scientist, or professor is necessarily genuine just because of the stated credentials. Not all of them have the same ideas anyway and will happily fight amongst each other when their own theories disagree.

Even if the aircraft are military it does not mean for one second that there is something sinister going on. What if something was added to the fuel to cause such effects in the air? the trails could be partly due to fuel additives. Do you not think that if military pilots were asked to spray stuff over regions that they might think something is going on? they are not just robots with no thoughts. They have families to and would not consider doing something that is going to jeopardise their own families. And even if they did not know about chemicals don't you think they might wonder why they are asked to fly patterns in the air?

You misunderstand me, I am not trying to convince you of anything. I just give my opinions. If you are sure about chemtrails then research how a contril is formed and disperse and in what atmospheric conditions such as pressure, cloud cover and air temp. Then you can get some met data for the region of any trails and see if the contrail facts are entirely disproved.

[largejack]

Thanks for your reply Marpat. You're right of course about not believing everything you see on the net, saying that, we are always told and expected to believe every video or footage 'officialdom' throws at us, even crap like Atta's paper passport surviving 911 whereas everything else is consumed, so I suppose I have an inclination to lean towards my own research, as you can usually expect less bias and more genuineness from unofficial sources where people take great risks by speaking out, but yet of course, some of it is nonsense naturally.

Please look at my sig. The BBC still haven't explained who their psychic was working for them that day, so why should I trust anything THEY say?

You say the red spray in the picture is not genuine. Maybe not, but have you not seen the Red Arrow displays? They definitely give off coloured trails, I know because I've seen them with my own eyes, and that's about the most reliable source evidence a person can have. Also how do planes draw words in the sky, they must have an incredible knowledge of the precise atmosphere, lol

[truthseeker1980]

You are not seriously suggesting that the video showing red vapours is actually genuine? I am sure that it is meant to convey an idea not a reality.

Ex-scientist. That makes me suspicious for a start. Has he turned away from science? could he not be a scientist who uses his knowledge as a weapon for good?

I am not totally against this chemtrail theory but I am not prepared to let people say I am deluded or deceived when they can offer nothing solid so that I can't ignore it. Vids on youtube could easily be faked. What if most of those vids were actually part of a conspiracy to make people chase the chemtrail theory when something else is truly going on?

.

Use your own eyes and you will see this stuff on an almost daily basis, i've not watched any Youtube vids of chemtrails or any other video about chemtrails because to be honest, i dont need to, just look up at the sky.

I saw a red chemtrail being sprayed only two weeks ago on a saturday morning, it was following a chemtrail alrerady laid a few hours earlier, then took a sharp left detour from the already laid chemtrail. It stayed in the sky for hours and more were sprayed all day, forming a whispy thin milky haze covering almost the entire sky.

I remember looking at contrails when i was a kid in the 1980's because they used to facinate me, how a little thin white line would trail behind a very high plane and then disappear in a matter of minutes, there were never any of the chemtrails in the sky back then. Also contrails only appear at certain altitudes these chemtrails are being sprayed much lower than where a contrail could form.

If you dont believe the video's, scientists reports, internet research of samples of what's being srayed and the official reports from German and Us governements stating that they are planning on starting to spray the skies, then ask yourself these few questions?

Why do they stay in the sky for hours?
Why do they thin out and form whispy clouds?
Why did they not do this in the 1980's?
Why can one day have loads and then the next with the exact same weather and atmospheric pressure there be none?

[lookfar]

Use your own eyes and you will see this stuff on an almost daily basis, i've not watched any Youtube vids of chemtrails or any other video about chemtrails because to be honest, i dont need to, just look up at the sky.

I saw a red chemtrail being sprayed only two weeks ago on a saturday morning, it was following a chemtrail alrerady laid a few hours earlier, then took a sharp left detour from the already laid chemtrail. It stayed in the sky for hours and more were sprayed all day, forming a whispy thin milky haze covering almost the entire sky.

I remember looking at contrails when i was a kid in the 1980's because they used to facinate me, how a little thin white line would trail behind a very high plane and then disappear in a matter of minutes, there were never any of the chemtrails in the sky back then. Also contrails only appear at certain altitudes these chemtrails are being sprayed much lower than where a contrail could form.

If you dont believe the video's, scientists reports, internet research of samples of what's being srayed and the official reports from German and Us governements stating that they are planning on starting to spray the skies, then ask yourself these few questions?

Why do they stay in the sky for hours?
Why do they thin out and form whispy clouds?
Why did they not do this in the 1980's?
Why can one day have loads and then the next with the exact same weather and atmospheric pressure there be none?

Hi honey:)

Yeah I agree with ya there! I would also add to the question of why so many people become ill with various "unknown" illnesses when they've been heavily spraying too. I remember a US vid I watched a while ago (can't recall the exact one), but it mentioned that cases of unknown respiratory illnesses had risen dramatically since spraying, it was something like a 300% increase if I recall correctly, shocking!!:eek:

[truthseeker1980]

hi sexy ;)

Yeah very good point and also why my throat always gets slightly soar and dry on heavy spray days and this is not brought on subconsiously because i am creating/imagining the pain due to seeing the chemtrails, this is noticing the pain in my throat first then seeing a gap in the clouds and noticing that it's a heavy spray day afterwards.

[marpat]

Use your own eyes and you will see this stuff on an almost daily basis, i've not watched any Youtube vids of chemtrails or any other video about chemtrails because to be honest, i dont need to, just look up at the sky.

I saw a red chemtrail being sprayed only two weeks ago on a saturday morning, it was following a chemtrail alrerady laid a few hours earlier, then took a sharp left detour from the already laid chemtrail. It stayed in the sky for hours and more were sprayed all day, forming a whispy thin milky haze covering almost the entire sky.

I remember looking at contrails when i was a kid in the 1980's because they used to facinate me, how a little thin white line would trail behind a very high plane and then disappear in a matter of minutes, there were never any of the chemtrails in the sky back then. Also contrails only appear at certain altitudes these chemtrails are being sprayed much lower than where a contrail could form.

If you dont believe the video's, scientists reports, internet research of samples of what's being srayed and the official reports from German and Us governements stating that they are planning on starting to spray the skies, then ask yourself these few questions?

Why do they stay in the sky for hours?
Why do they thin out and form whispy clouds?
Why did they not do this in the 1980's?
Why can one day have loads and then the next with the exact same weather and atmospheric pressure there be none?

The weather is never EXACTLY the same day after day. You ever been to met briefs for flying? I have and one thing they always mention is what height contrails will appear at.

The more I hear people using 'research' with nothing to back it up apart from a few vids (which might well be false) the more I am actually turning against the theory. People making claims about all sorts of stuff when a lot of it is pure speculation fuelled by a lack of knowledge and the desire to see a conspiracy when one may not be present.

Use my eyes and I will see red chemtrails? you are full of shit. I work in an area with loads of aircraft flying over and have never, ever seen anything that resembles what you state.

What has happened here is that I was about 80-20 against the idea but it is now more more like 99-1 due entirely to really poor arguements and that fact that people take vids as evidence without ever proving that the vids represent anything.

[truthseeker1980]

The thing is mate i aint full of shit, why would i make up seeing a red chemtrail? What would me making that up achieve? Think about it, it would achieve nothing.

Do you want pics i've taken over the years then take a look here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12128&highlight=chemtrails&page=9

Or do you think i've faked them too?

The FACT is something is being sprayed in the skies, you cant dismiss that, no-one knows exactly what but you cant ignore the trails in the sky. Trails that were never seen in the 1980's.

Perhaps you could pose the question what wasn't in the fuel mix in the 1980's but is now and was up to 1979, because you cant get a way from the fact that something is being sprayed, i've read reports and spoken to people in the aerospace industry, real contrails cannot form clouds, so why do they suddenly form whispy clouds now if they are contrails?

Why does this have to be a conspriracy in your eyes? No official story has been given, i see no conspiracy just people noticing things and trying to find out what is being sprayed.

[marpat]

The thing is mate i aint full of shit, why would i make up seeing a red chemtrail? What would me making that up achieve? Think about it, it would achieve nothing.

Do you want pics i've taken over the years then take a look here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12128&highlight=chemtrails&page=9

Or do you think i've faked them too?

The FACT is something is being sprayed in the skies, you cant dismiss that, no-one knows exactly what but you cant ignore the trails in the sky. Trails that were never seen in the 1980's.

Perhaps you could pose the question what wasn't in the fuel mix in the 1980's but is now and was up to 1979, because you cant get a way from the fact that something is being sprayed, i've read reports and spoken to people in the aerospace industry, real contrails cannot form clouds, so why do they suddenly form whispy clouds now if they are contrails?

Why does this have to be a conspriracy in your eyes? No official story has been given, i see no conspiracy just people noticing things and trying to find out what is being sprayed.

If it is fact the how is it so hard to get concrete proof?

Why would you say you have seen red trails? well you could lie to further your belief. I have no doubt that some people would happily lie or misrepresent the truth to further their owns cause.
So people who work in areospace jobs tell you about all this stuff. Why are they not taking into the public arena themselves, exposing this stuff. We have to rely on your mediation for the information, not get it directly.

[largejack]

Marpat, you haven't answered my question about the Red Arrows?

[howie]

20th may

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2299/20508gec8.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8963/20508eqs7.jpg

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/547/20508dfy4.jpg

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/1149/20508cuf0.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4987/20508hva9.jpg

[kweli]

The weather is never EXACTLY the same day after day. You ever been to met briefs for flying? I have and one thing they always mention is what height contrails will appear at.

The more I hear people using 'research' with nothing to back it up apart from a few vids (which might well be false) the more I am actually turning against the theory. People making claims about all sorts of stuff when a lot of it is pure speculation fuelled by a lack of knowledge and the desire to see a conspiracy when one may not be present.

Use my eyes and I will see red chemtrails? you are full of shit. I work in an area with loads of aircraft flying over and have never, ever seen anything that resembles what you state.

What has happened here is that I was about 80-20 against the idea but it is now more more like 99-1 due entirely to really poor arguements and that fact that people take vids as evidence without ever proving that the vids represent anything.

This one's especially for you Marpat. ;)

http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/THOUGHTSALOUD/PhotoAlbum288.html