UK Chemtrails

[john connor]

I'm not saying these objects are doing anything... but they are consistently in pics , I have to say in non contrail pics too , but none the less... they are interesting

btw , you really remind me of Eternal Wheel for some reason ,cant put my finger on it ;)

I couldn't remember the name..so EW not so Eternal then?...a lot of old names gone

[whatsinaname]

I don't think any of us WANT to believe in chemtrails...it's just one part of a bigger picture...so I pity the fools who can't / won't see it...


It's frustrating because if everyone just took the time to look at them, they would surely see them.

No debating needed. There they are!

Anyone claiming otherwise, is obviously doing so for a reason.

[armoured_amazon]

It's frustrating because if everyone just took the time to look at them, they would surely see them.

No debating needed. There they are!

Anyone claiming otherwise, is obviously doing so for a reason.

+1

Not to mention I get migraines when there's heavy spraying. Migraine > look out window > quelle surprise, waffle sky!!!!

[lobuk]

It's frustrating because if everyone just took the time to look at them, they would surely see them.

No debating needed. There they are!

Anyone claiming otherwise, is obviously doing so for a reason.

+2 ;)

[mrsj]

In my Opinion Air bn is here purely to stirr people up as Ive seen this type of approach on other forums and FB comments especially when David Does an Interview etc. so I will now not waste my energy on Air bn 's game...
I know what I see & feel just as many others do so I dont need to justify anything...
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This is a great video if you havent seen it yet check it out What in The World Are They Spraying? on Vimeo

[armoured_amazon]

http://www.dontspraymebro.co.uk :D

[lookfar]

I don't think any of us WANT to believe in chemtrails...it's just one part of a bigger picture...so I pity the fools who can't / won't see it...

Haha yes good point there JC, I didn't word that very well did I!!

[beldazar]

In my Opinion Air bn is here purely to stirr people up as Ive seen this type of approach on other forums and FB comments especially when David Does an Interview etc. so I will now not waste my energy on Air bn 's game...
I know what I see & feel just as many others do so I dont need to justify anything...
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This is a great video if you havent seen it yet check it out http://vimeo.com/16219493

Yes could be. He's a long-time member but came back after a time away.
He isn't very good so not much to worry about.
Or perhaps he just can't get his head around the fact this secrecy is going on? Maybe he trusts the government, some do, although it is rare. :D

[tescos organic]

http://www.dontspraymebro.co.uk :D

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/flumpkins/stopchem2.jpg

spraying germs??? :confused:

[armoured_amazon]

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/flumpkins/stopchem2.jpg

spraying germs??? :confused:

Yes.

[john connor]

Yes.

Could be worse than that...my wife's friend in california has Morgellons..on the Carnicom site there is a test for this disease..apparently...we are going to try testing ourselves..I would rather know...apparently you don't have to have the black/red/white fibres showing to be infected..we could all already have it via the chems...these little bastards are self replicating nano's... By the way just like the Sphere's / Orb's that spray chemtrails, I have seen morgellons first hand, in a way I don't care if I have this...knowing may help me find a way to control it or kill it..at the very least if we have it ...then hopefully some that still are in denial of the true picture will have no choice but to accept the real truth.

[john connor]

anyone serious about chemtrails needs to watch this video - re morgellons link

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1235305608740622057#docid=6592010855268770495

[john connor]

symptoms and for those brave enough the 'test'

The Following Signs or Symptoms are The Basis of Morgellons Disease as defined by patients that fit within a consistent boundary that is also outside the boundary of other “known” diseases. The initial three characteristics parallel a much more entrenched illness, Delusions of Parasitosis (DOP) named decades before today’s laboratory technology and infection/immunity knowledge, driven by HIV, developed.

1. “Filaments” are reported in and on skin lesions and at times extruding from intact-appearing skin. White, blue, red, and black are common among described fiber colors. Size is near microscopic, and good clinical visualization requires 10-30 X. Patients frequently describe ultraviolet light generated fluorescence. They also report black or white granules, similar in size and shape to sand grains, on or in their skin or on clothing. Most clinicians willing to invest in a simple hand held commercial microscope have thus far been able to consistently document the filaments.

2. Movement sensations, both beneath and on the skin surface. Sensations are often described by the patient as intermittently moving, stinging or biting. Involved areas can include any skin region (such as over limbs or trunk), but may be limited to the scalp, nasal passages, ear canals, or face…and curiously, legs below the knees.

3. Skin lesions, both (a) spontaneously appearing and (b) self-generated, often with pain or intense itching. The former (a) may initially appear as “hive-like”, or as “pimple-like” with or without a white center. The latter (b) appear as linear or “picking” excoriations. Even when not self-generated (as in unreachable regions of babies’ skin), lesions often progress to open wounds that heal incompletely (e.g., heal very slowly with discolored epidermis or seal over with a thick gelatinous outer layer.). Evidence of lesions persists visually for years.

4. Musculo-skeletal Effects and Pain is usually present, manifest in several ways. Pain distribution is broad, and can include joint(s), muscles, tendons and connective tissue. Both vascular and “pressure” headaches and vertebral pain are particularly common, the latter usually with premature (e.g., age 20) signs of degeneration of both discs and vertebrae.

5. Extreme fatigue is universal and significant enough to interfere with the activities of daily living. Most patients meet the Fukuda Criteria for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome as well (Fukuda, Ann. Int. Med., 1994). Cardiology data and consistently elevated heart rates suggest a persistent myocarditis creating lowered cardiac output that has been partially compensated for by Starling’s Law.

6. Cognitive dysfunction also known as Brain Fog, includes frontal lobe processing signs interfering with logical thinking as well as short-term memory and attention deficit. All are measurable by Standard Psychometric Test batteries.

7. Emotional effects such as severe depression and suicidal tendencies are present in most patients. Character typically includes loss or limitation of boundary control (as in bipolar illness) and intermittent obsessional state. Degree varies greatly from virtually absent to seriously life altering.

‘Red Wine Spit Test’: Materials and Procedure

Materials:

Plastic bathroom cups.
3% H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide)
Merlot Red Wine (use approx a $10 bottle)
Measuring spoons
Toothbrush/toothpaste
Watch or clock

Procedure:

1) Brush teeth very well.
2) Rinse mouth with water thoroughly.
3) Mix 2tsp (10mL) of Merlot Red Wine with 1 teaspoon (5mL) Hydrogen Peroxide in a plastic cup.
4) Use the red wine / peroxide solution as a mouth rinse; Rinse mouth vigorously with the wine/peroxide solution for e
Do You Have Morgellons? "Red Wine Spit Test"

xactly five minutes. Make sure to swish it in your cheeks and gums, etc for the full 5 minutes.
5) Now spit all the rinse into a bathroom cup.
6) Carefully examine the rinse for fibers. They are invariably present, and should look somewhat like wet chew

ing tobacco. Prepare to be shocked and upset. These are components of nanotech pathogens which we have all been infected with, most likely via chemtrails.

Optional
7) You can add 91% or higher IPA (Isopropyl Alcohol) to the precipitated fibers to remove the red pigment caused by the wine. The fibers generally float like a jellyfish on top of the IPA.

The pathogenic forms under investigation are “repeatedly showing up in the general population,” regardless of whether certain “skin anomalies” are present or not. The segregation of only certain individuals as having the “Morgellons” condition is COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY FALSE; THE GENERAL POPULATION IS INVOLVED WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW OF IT OR NOT. The pathogens found have now been discovered repeatedly across all major body systems and functions, including skin, blood, hair, saliva, dental(gum), digestive, ear and urinary samples.

TO SEE THE FULL ARTICLE, click on this line and a big THANK YOU to Clifford E. Carnicom for this insightful information CLICK HERE

[truthseeker1980]

It's funny their are people on this very board who are only here to discredit things, cough air bn, Marpat quite a few.

It's funny how these people and I am not necessarily talking about air bn now, but they who post on all subjects to hide the fact they are here to discredit chemtrails.

Marpat is no longer concerned as they were outed last year, MARPAT means Marine Pattern camoflage, just do a google search on it, they constantly told us that chemtrails were contrails for about 2 years and admitted to working on a doppler radar for the MoD, so would be a prime candidate to covering up weather modification by chemtrails.

But now we have two or more registered profiles on here, cowbell man and air bn.

Who are no longer pushing the, 'it's contrail not chemtrails' crap coz we are past that and they now know that we cant be made to believe they are contrails anymore, so their last tactic and both do the same is to not argue about them not being contrails, no let's forget that, lets argue and tell all of us that we think it's commercial airliners, even tho no posts ever say such nonsense.

Again it's a diversion of a chemtrail post for no reason, WHAT THE HELL has the type of plane leaving the chemtrail got to do with the fact they are spraying the skies?

Air bn, you have stated we are told what to believe, yet you are clearly telling those of us who notice chemtrails, that we who notice chemtrail believe them to be laid by commercial airlines, so the only person telling anyone what what to believe is you.

Is this reverse psycology or NLP?

Mods can you tell if people have multiple accounts from the same IP addresses?

Coz i smell something fishy, they use an excuse that chemtrailers as they put it believe they are laid by airliners, when that's not the case.

[john connor]

It's funny their are people on this very board who are only here to discredit things, cough air bn, Marpat quite a few.

It's funny how these people and I am not necessarily talking about air bn now, but they who post on all subjects to hide the fact they are here to discredit chemtrails.

Marpat is no longer concerned as they were outed last year, MARPAT means Marine Pattern camoflage, just do a google search on it, they constantly told us that chemtrails were contrails for about 2 years and admitted to working on a doppler radar for the MoD, so would be a prime candidate to covering up weather modification by chemtrails.

But now we have two or more registered profiles on here, cowbell man and air bn.

Who are no longer pushing the, 'it's contrail not chemtrails' crap coz we are past that and they now know that we cant be made to believe they are contrails anymore, so their last tactic and both do the same is to not argue about them not being contrails, no let's forget that, lets argue and tell all of us that we think it's commercial airliners, even tho no posts ever say such nonsense.

Again it's a diversion of a chemtrail post for no reason, WHAT THE HELL has the type of plane leaving the chemtrail got to do with the fact they are spraying the skies?

Air bn, you have stated we are told what to believe, yet you are clearly telling those of us who notice chemtrails, that we who notice chemtrail believe them to be laid by commercial airlines, so the only person telling anyone what what to believe is you.

Is this reverse psycology or NLP?

Mods can you tell if people have multiple accounts from the same IP addresses?

Coz i smell something fishy, they use an excuse that chemtrailers as they put it believe they are laid by airliners, when that's not the case.

Well said..I haven't really posted much on Chems for a while now, I don;t believe in preaching to the converted and I think most here KNOW something is very wrong. I couldnt really be bothered to get 'into' it with Air BraiN but from his writing he did remind me of another chemtrail disinfo artist...OK forget being PC..the people? who deny this activity, on these forums are as GUILTY as the ones who are behind the spraying in my book

[air_bn]

I don't think any of us WANT to believe in chemtrails...it's just one part of a bigger picture...so I pity the fools who can't / won't see it...

I couldnt really be bothered to get 'into' it with Air BraiN but from his writing he did remind me of another chemtrail disinfo artist

It's funny their are people on this very board who are only here to discredit things, cough air bn, Marpat quite a few.

But now we have two or more registered profiles on here, cowbell man and air bn.

In my Opinion Air bn is here purely to stirr people up as Ive seen this type of approach on other forums and FB comments especially when David Does an Interview etc. so I will now not waste my energy on Air bn 's game...
I know what I see & feel just as many others do so I dont need to justify anything...


Hi people I'm back after being debriefed back at HQ:D

Well what do I see here,looks like I'm such a threat I need to be discredited
pretty quickly as I don't react to all ^^^this sort of stuff^^^,it's a waste of
energy.I also see recognise the trend mrsj, I'm used to it from other non CT fori over the years:) so if you think I'm playing a game telling you about contrails in a layman way that's up to you.

To reply to truthseeker1980's question of why does it matter what aircraft
are making the trails? well I think it's pretty obvious but I'll re-state why now.

Most the aircraft I have ever observed with various trails behind have been identifiable,and on a scheduled routes.I have gotten myself excited a year or two ago when two white jets overflew my apartment seemingly flying in
parallel only to realise they had the Fed Ex logo displayed.
I have a tripod I used as a mono-pod then for steadyness with 10x50 bins
attached.Like everyone else new to the trail phenomenon,I was on a mission to find the dreaded white military tanker sprayers.I never saw one in over 3 years of observations and photo's,all that was seen were airliners with logo's making the trails.Now it's sphere's and orbs making the trails apparently:D

I have already stated much more about what I think is going on with the chemtrail campaign,it's up to others to realise the probabilities/possibilities that they could be being manipulated by the very NWO system we seek to defeat.

air_bn

PS: could be related to airbourne or it might be an anagram of my name;)

[air_bn]

Well said..I haven't really posted much on Chems for a while now, I don;t believe in preaching to the converted and I think most here KNOW something is very wrong. I couldnt really be bothered to get 'into' it with Air BraiN but from his writing he did remind me of another chemtrail disinfo artist...OK forget being PC..the people? who deny this activity, on these forums are as GUILTY as the ones who are behind the spraying in my book

You think saying disinfo artist or Air BraiN gives you a sort of moral high ground you're very much mistaken jc.Hang on,are you saying I'm guilty of
crimes based on my observations of how contrails form now,and the planes I see? do you want to add mass murder of Afghans and Iraqi's too!
How about, I'm guilty of being distracted about the 9/11 truth for four years after the event...et al etc etc

You're not the John Connor are you.

[john connor]

Hi people I'm back after being debriefed back at HQ:D

Well what do I see here,looks like I'm such a threat I need to be discredited
pretty quickly as I don't react to all ^^^this sort of stuff^^^,it's a waste of
energy.I also see recognise the trend mrsj, I'm used to it from other non CT fori over the years:) so if you think I'm playing a game telling you about contrails in a layman way that's up to you.

To reply to truthseeker1980's question of why does it matter what aircraft
are making the trails? well I think it's pretty obvious but I'll re-state why now.

Most the aircraft I have ever observed with various trails behind have been identifiable,and on a scheduled routes.I have gotten myself excited a year or two ago when two white jets overflew my apartment seemingly flying in
parallel only to realise they had the Fed Ex logo displayed.
I have a tripod I used as a mono-pod then for steadyness with 10x50 bins
attached.Like everyone else new to the trail phenomenon,I was on a mission to find the dreaded white military tanker sprayers.I never saw one in over 3 years of observations and photo's,all that was seen were airliners with logo's making the trails.Now it's sphere's and orbs making the trails apparently:D

I have already stated much more about what I think is going on with the chemtrail campaign,it's up to others to realise the probabilities/possibilities that they could be being manipulated by the very NWO system we seek to defeat.

air_bn

PS: could be related to airbourne or it might be an anagram of my name;)

So basically you are saying I am a liar and that I have never seen sphere's spraying...even tho' thats whats on camera..what I and over 15 people I know have seen with their own eyes...personally I can't wait for TSTHTF to cut all this phoney crap out..lets see who is who..it's not fear I feel it's outright anger at the scum and their collaborators who are doing this amongst other things

[air_bn]

So basically you are saying I am a liar and that I have never seen sphere's spraying...even tho' thats whats on camera..what I and over 15 people I know have seen with their own eyes...personally I can't wait for TSTHTF to cut all this phoney crap out..lets see who is who..it's not fear I feel it's outright anger at the scum and their collaborators who are doing this amongst other things

Let's face facts observed in this thread,you are attacking me when I state my observations over several years of being a chemtrail advocate.You are attacking me also for pointing out how contrails form.
I have never seen an orb or sphere making the trails,I have only seen high flying jet aircraft whose engines get very hot in the fuel burning process.As everyone should know the resultant emmissions are mainly water vapour and various small deposits of carbon particulates.The high flying jets are in very cold air,as a result the water vapour freezes into ice crystals,this is what we see across the sky very,very often now.

Now that statement is my opinion based on what I've seen and read,it's not the full monty as i can't be bothered with the %humidity thing, I'm sure most people have already looked at how contrails form by now.
As for the orbs/sphere's, I think you shot yourself in the foot putting that you-tube video up, and desperate to gain some credibility back.You will not achieve this with personal accusations and inuendo (is everyone else so doing, reading this),I'm what is known as a truther and have become used to riddicule over the last few years.I also know for a fact that if you can't get your message across in a succinct and reasonable way you will be seen as a nutter.

Thank you

air_bn

PS:What is "phoney stuff" and TSTHTF "john connor"?

[armoured_amazon]

Could be worse than that...my wife's friend in california has Morgellons..on the Carnicom site there is a test for this disease..apparently...we are going to try testing ourselves..I would rather know...apparently you don't have to have the black/red/white fibres showing to be infected..we could all already have it via the chems...these little bastards are self replicating nano's... By the way just like the Sphere's / Orb's that spray chemtrails, I have seen morgellons first hand, in a way I don't care if I have this...knowing may help me find a way to control it or kill it..at the very least if we have it ...then hopefully some that still are in denial of the true picture will have no choice but to accept the real truth.

It's disgusting what they do to us! I wonder why Morgellons shows up in some people and not others - do you think it depends on your body chemistry in the first place? I think Joni Mitchell has it.

I still feel like there's not enough attention on chemtrails - for me, the most important things are the air I breathe and the food and drink I ingest. How can I deal with the external stuff, such as political corruption and corporate enslavement when my tank's running on crappy fuel and pollutants? That's why I'm trying to spread the word a bit :)

[air_bn]

It's disgusting what they do to us! I wonder why Morgellons shows up in some people and not others - do you think it depends on your body chemistry in the first place? I think Joni Mitchell has it.

I still feel like there's not enough attention on chemtrails - for me, the most important things are the air I breathe and the food and drink I ingest. How can I deal with the external stuff, such as political corruption and corporate enslavement when my tank's running on crappy fuel and pollutants? That's why I'm trying to spread the word a bit :)

I agree with likely linkages to pollutants,and individual susceptabilities (sp) due to intollerance,so indeed spread the word about pesticides (and synthetic sugar substitutes including aspartame) et al a_a!

I read about Joni Mitchell too,no mention of chemtrails here though:
Morgellons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia the name goes back to 1690.
It's most probably under the sub topic "conspiracy theories" at the bottom of the page.

[armoured_amazon]

I agree with likely linkages to pollutants,and individual susceptabilities (sp) due to intollerance,so indeed spread the word about pesticides (and synthetic sugar substitutes including aspartame) et al a_a!

I read about Joni Mitchell too,no mention of chemtrails here though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgellons the name goes back to 1690.
It's most probably under the sub topic "conspiracy theories" at the bottom of the page.

It's a very odd condition, indeed!

[air_bn]

It's a very odd condition, indeed!

Yes, and apparently similar conditions have been around since at least 1690!

[armoured_amazon]

Yes, and apparently similar conditions have been around since at least 1690!

My mind runs riot, imagining humanoid species splicing DNA and creating hybrids. :D

[beldazar]

The high flying jets are in very cold air,as a result the water vapour freezes into ice crystals,this is what we see across the sky very,very often now.



Absolute bullshit. The original contrails only occur when a plane is above a certain altitude where the plane is barely vsible. The contrail does not get any longer and dissipates as the plane is flying along. It resembles steam rather than somke and is'nt seen much at all these days.
Some of the planes leaving chemtrails are a much lower altitude and it depends on weather conditions, cloud already present and the condition of the atmosphere.

You say you have been studying chemtrails for a while, I think, you sir, are the liar as if you had you would have noticed on numerous occasions the planes stop spraying, do 'u' turns and start sprayng again. you would also have seen two planes at the same altitude, one spray and one not. you would also have seen patterns created in the sky in the shape of 'X's, pyramids, semi-circles and grids. You would have seen planes alter direction drastically and reinforce over they have already left chemtrails several times. You would also have seen them target the path of the sun.

Are you just thick or don't want to accept this is going on or something else entirely :rolleyes:

[armoured_amazon]

Absolute bullshit. The original contrails only occur when a plane is above a certain altitude where the plane is barely vsible. The contrail does not get any longer and dissipates as the plane is flying along. It resembles steam rather than somke and is'nt seen much at all these days.
Some of the planes leaving chemtrails are a much lower altitude and it depends on weather conditions, cloud already present and the condition of the atmosphere.

You say you have been studying chemtrails for a while, I think, you sir, are the liar as if you had you would have noticed on numerous occasions the planes stop spraying, do 'u' turns and start sprayng again. you would also have seen two planes at the same altitude, one spray and one not. you would also have seen patterns created in the sky in the shape of 'X's, pyramids, semi-circles and grids. You would have seen planes alter direction drastically and reinforce over they have already left chemtrails several times. You would also have seen them target the path of the sun.

Are you just thick or don't want to accept this is going on or something else entirely :rolleyes:

*claps*

Quoted because it needs to be read twice!!!

[air_bn]

Absolute bullshit. The original contrails only occur when a plane is above a certain altitude where the plane is barely vsible. The contrail does not get any longer and dissipates as the plane is flying along. It resembles steam rather than somke and is'nt seen much at all these days.
Some of the planes leaving chemtrails are a much lower altitude and it depends on weather conditions, cloud already present and the condition of the atmosphere.

You say you have been studying chemtrails for a while, I think, you sir, are the liar as if you had you would have noticed on numerous occasions the planes stop spraying, do 'u' turns and start sprayng again. you would also have seen two planes at the same altitude, one spray and one not. you would also have seen patterns created in the sky in the shape of 'X's, pyramids, semi-circles and grids. You would have seen planes alter direction drastically and reinforce over they have already left chemtrails several times. You would also have seen them target the path of the sun.

Are you just thick or don't want to accept this is going on or something else entirely :rolleyes:

liar,thick and a rolleyes all in one post wow:D

I'm afaid I wont partake in your little slagging match beldazar,I deal with facts not some fantasy some people have been brainwashed to believe.
Planes flying in different directions do make lines in the sky X's, 'A's,even parallel lines when on a similar heading :shocker:
The atmosphere is also not a constant,which is why the trails seem to the believers to stop and start,apart from maybe even say dropping in altitude.

So what am I lying about here beldazar?

Nice back up a_a, shame you couldn't try saying similar yourself when you had the opportunity a few minutes before!

[armoured_amazon]

liar,thick and a rolleyes all in one post wow:D

I'm afaid I wont partake in your little slagging match beldazar,I deal with facts not some fantasy some people have been brainwashed to believe.
Planes flying in different directions do make lines in the sky X's, 'A's,even parallel lines when on a similar heading :shocker:
The atmosphere is also not a constant,which is why the trails seem to the believers to stop and start,apart from maybe even say dropping in altitude.

So what am I lying about here beldazar?

Nice back up a_a, shame you couldn't try saying similar yourself when you had the opportunity a few minutes before!

Well, I have no idea what you're talking about as I've put all my opinions on my website. I, and others who used to be skeptics, have stood and watched these planes form circles above Liverpool. A former skeptic photographer has some wonderful photos. Why is it that skeptics (such as yourself) act as though we are saying something to your detriment? The only detriment would be to your ego if you found out you were wrong, and that's silly.

Why are you so adamant that we must be lying or misled? If we're misled, big deal. Let us get on with it. If we're telling the truth, then you should be proactive in helping spread the word about this slow genocide. By acquiescing, you're complicit. Instead of fighting us, go fight Monsanto or the government.

[beldazar]

I'm afaid I wont partake in your little slagging match beldazar,!

Wonder why :p

[air_bn]

Well, I have no idea what you're talking about as I've put all my opinions on my website. I, and others who used to be skeptics, have stood and watched these planes form circles above Liverpool. A former skeptic photographer has some wonderful photos. Why is it that skeptics (such as yourself) act as though we are saying something to your detriment? The only detriment would be to your ego if you found out you were wrong, and that's silly.

Why are you so adamant that we must be lying or misled? If we're misled, big deal. Let us get on with it. If we're telling the truth, then you should be proactive in helping spread the word about this slow genocide. By acquiescing, you're complicit. Instead of fighting us, go fight Monsanto or the government.

Again there is a misunderstanding here,to restate:

I agree these trails exist and do act as a filter of the sun's power;)

I am a former chemtrail advocate

Although still observing,I see nothing unusual in the huge contrails due to the other points I have made previously which some here think is bs.

There are a huge ammount of aircraft in our airspace now,planes that you know are making these trails.At least you're not talking orb and spheres here a_a :D
The planes you see are all logo'd have flight numbers, and fly to and from airports than can be tracked yes? you see the point that all flights bar military can be tracked, including information as to their previous history
and photo's of specific individual aircraft.
The point here is, this is down as a conspiracy theory lumped in with 9/11,7/7
and all the other actual false flag events.I'm positive you see the reason
why I post on chemtrail threads now:)

(I will have a look at your website if it's in your sig)


Cheers

air_bn

[armoured_amazon]

Again there is a misunderstanding here,to restate:

I agree these trails exist and do act as a filter of the sun's power;)

I am a former chemtrail advocate

Although still observing,I see nothing unusual in the huge contrails due to the other points I have made previously which some here think is bs.

There are a huge ammount of aircraft in our airspace now,planes that you know are making these trails.At least you're not talking orb and spheres here a_a :D
The planes you see are all logo'd have flight numbers, and fly to and from airports than can be tracked yes? you see the point that all flights bar military can be tracked, including information as to their previous history
and photo's of specific individual aircraft.
The point here is, this is down as a conspiracy theory lumped in with 9/11,7/7
and all the other actual false flag events.I'm positive you see the reason
why I post on chemtrail threads now:)

(I will have a look at your website if it's in your sig)


Cheers

air_bn

There are a lot of unmarked/logged planes that you can see see online. I do not believe for one second that all the air traffic pollution is from military and commercial jets. Not for a second. I don't believe that my headaches miraculously coincide with heavy coverage days every single time, nor my mum's or brother's. I don't believe that while there is historical evidence of spraying chemicals from planes that we suddenly live in a halcyon world where they spray rose petals and rays of love from above. Not buying it.

[air_bn]

There are a lot of unmarked/logged planes that you can see see online. I do not believe for one second that all the air traffic pollution is from military and commercial jets. Not for a second. I don't believe that my headaches miraculously coincide with heavy coverage days every single time, nor my mum's or brother's. I don't believe that while there is historical evidence of spraying chemicals from planes that we suddenly live in a halcyon world where they spray rose petals and rays of love from above. Not buying it.

Liverpool also has quite a few airports around that region,and obviously the
air corridor is used by jets also passing through!
Big cities create smog through traffic pollution,this is well known and most likely down to the fuel used in vehicles,hence the headaches compounded by your belief in a massive spraying operation.
Yes, the disclosure of chemical spraying in the past by the MSM would help feed the idea that this is an ongoing and widespread operation.I have
used such disclosures myself not that long ago to prove it eg the Channel4 forums before they were closed,and the BBC forums before the pre-modding.

btw I can't find any info on chems in your sigs,and I don't do facebook!

[armoured_amazon]

Liverpool also has quite a few airports around that region,and obviously the
air corridor is used by jets also passing through!
Big cities create smog through traffic pollution,this is well known and most likely down to the fuel used in vehicles,hence the headaches compounded by your belief in a massive spraying operation.
Yes, the disclosure of chemical spraying in the past by the MSM would help feed the idea that this is an ongoing and widespread operation.I have
used such disclosures myself not that long ago to prove it eg the Channel4 forums before they were closed,and the BBC forums before the pre-modding.

btw I can't find any info on chems in your sigs,and I don't do facebook!

I posted the site in this thread, probably on the last page. Say what you will, I know my body chemistry better than any 'MSM' disclosure. I also know what I see.

[air_bn]

I posted the site in this thread, probably on the last page. Say what you will, I know my body chemistry better than any 'MSM' disclosure. I also know what I see.

Good, so you'll know you've just been overflown by an Ezyjet at 37,000 ft from Dublin?

edit:and an aer lingus to Bucharest just after, at the same height?

[hoverfly]

Good, so you'll know you've just been overflown by an Ezyjet at 37,000 ft from Dublin?

edit:and an aer lingus to Bucharest just after, at the same height?

Lots of extensive chemtrails in the Edinburgh/south Fife area, today, from about 10.00am till the present.

One interesting observation was a long lasting chemtrail, spreading out,
and as I watched it, I then saw above it, an overlapping orange coloured plane, however this higher plane had a trail which dissapated after about 30 seconds maximum, whereas the other lower trail lasted for more than ten minutes and gradually turned the sky milky.

My question for air bn, is: Is it not true that the air temperature through which the top plane flew is unlikely to be warmer than the lower plane 'air' ?

It is much more likely to be colder, and hense more likely to produce a longer lasting trail. But this didn't occur.

I can't comment on air pressure, as I don't have a pair of your magic binoculars, which - according to your claim - can measure both air temp. and pressure.

I can't prove the orange plane was higher, but I could tell that it was.

How do you explain the above scerario.

[armoured_amazon]

Good, so you'll know you've just been overflown by an Ezyjet at 37,000 ft from Dublin?

edit:and an aer lingus to Bucharest just after, at the same height?

'Fraid not, I've been doing spreadsheets :(

[scottishryan]

Lots of extensive chemtrails in the Edinburgh/south Fife area, today, from about 10.00am till the present.

One interesting observation was a long lasting chemtrail, spreading out,
and as I watched it, I then saw above it, an overlapping orange coloured plane, however this higher plane had a trail which dissapated after about 30 seconds maximum, whereas the other lower trail lasted for more than ten minutes and gradually turned the sky milky.

My question for air bn, is: Is it not true that the air temperature through which the top plane flew is unlikely to be warmer than the lower plane 'air' ?

It is much more likely to be colder, and hense more likely to produce a longer lasting trail. But this didn't occur.

I can't comment on air pressure, as I don't have a pair of your magic binoculars, which = according to your claim - can measure both air temp. and pressure.

I can't prove the orange plane was higher, but I could tell that it was.

How do you explain the above scerario.

You are spot on and I observed this most of the day and was actually out driving and watching the planes spray. I first noticed them while in Lochgelly Fife as I was dropping of a family member. I then had to proceed out of Fife to Dollar via Kelty and while I done so myself, my wife and my two kids watched them blatantly spray the sky in pairs.

The sky was lovely and blue on route at around 11 ish and on my return from Dollar we had milky clouds and clear indications of trails still visible. My comment to my wife was, the sky is absolutely covered now and you see plainly that its not natural formations. They from what I saw were spraying in the area of the sun as looking toward North fife it was untouched.

I then spotted two planes again while in Kirkcaldy (same ones) again they were spraying and it was obvious.

I never put much into the whole chemtrail thing but when you finally see for yourself its a confirmation regardless of what BS we are fed!!

[fekdemasons]

Lots of extensive chemtrails in the Edinburgh/south Fife area, today, from about 10.00am till the present.

One interesting observation was a long lasting chemtrail, spreading out,
and as I watched it, I then saw above it, an overlapping orange coloured plane, however this higher plane had a trail which dissapated after about 30 seconds maximum, whereas the other lower trail lasted for more than ten minutes and gradually turned the sky milky.

My question for air bn, is: Is it not true that the air temperature through which the top plane flew is unlikely to be warmer than the lower plane 'air' ?

It is much more likely to be colder, and hense more likely to produce a longer lasting trail. But this didn't occur.

I can't comment on air pressure, as I don't have a pair of your magic binoculars, which - according to your claim - can measure both air temp. and pressure.

I can't prove the orange plane was higher, but I could tell that it was.

How do you explain the above scerario.

The air temp is colder at higher altitude , but the Relative humidity is what governs the spread or dissipation of the trail..

Generally below -36 degrees air temp and in the 55 and above range for RH..

So as long as the lower altitude plane was in the right temp and RH zone then this is quite possible for the higher altitude plane to be in colder temp but lower RH ..

If its going on then it is not conventional commercial airliners on standard routes as the debunkers are constantly insinuating is the chemtrailist view..

More likely (if at all) to be recommisioned tankers ..

[air_bn]

The air temp is colder at higher altitude , but the Relative humidity is what governs the spread or dissipation of the trail..

Generally below -36 degrees air temp and in the 55 and above range for RH..

So as long as the lower altitude plane was in the right temp and RH zone then this is quite possible for the higher altitude plane to be in colder temp but lower RH ..

If its going on then it is not conventional commercial airliners on standard routes as the debunkers are constantly insinuating is the chemtrailist view..

More likely (if at all) to be recommisioned tankers ..

What I would have said but better put.Are you happy with that explanation hoverfly?

If it's going on indeed,and there's the "tankers" mentioned again.I've never seen tankers only commercial airliners?

[hoverfly]

Originally Posted by fekdemasons
The air temp is colder at higher altitude , but the Relative humidity is what governs the spread or dissipation of the trail..

I know RH levels and temperature effect the volume and duration of contrails. That said, I find it highly unlikely that the humidity just above the other trail would be anything other than marginal. Plus if it is indeed colder, then there should be a longer lasting trail, in comparison.

This difference happens far too regularly. Back in August, on a very similar blue sky sky day, but warmer, I saw a massive chemtrail which lasted for more than an hour. Yet it was highly unlikely to be either colder or more humid.

They are just as common on blue sky summer days, so the air temp theory of the skeptics - over periods of time - doesn't stack up.

Generally below -36 degrees air temp and in the 55 and above range for RH.

So as long as the lower altitude plane was in the right temp and RH zone then this is quite possible for the higher altitude plane to be in colder temp but lower RH .

Factually correct, but I, and others see this, all the time. That , statistically, would account for only a very small percentage of such disparate sightings.

If its going on then it is not conventional commercial airliners on standard routes as the debunkers are constantly insinuating is the chemtrailist view.

Agreed. If their fitted with special tanks and fittings, then obviously their not conventional commercial airliners. I have no set view, regarding type of craft, other than winged airliners of some sort.

More likely (if at all) to be recommisioned tankers ..

Don't know, my friend.:)

[fekdemasons]

Originally Posted by fekdemasons
The air temp is colder at higher altitude , but the Relative humidity is what governs the spread or dissipation of the trail..

I know RH levels and temperature effect the volume and duration of contrails. That said, I find it highly unlikely that the humidity just above the other trail would be anything other than marginal. Plus if it is indeed colder, then there should be a longer lasting trail, in comparison.

This difference happens far too regularly. Back in August, on a very similar blue sky sky day, but warmer, I saw a massive chemtrail which lasted for more than an hour. Yet it was highly unlikely to be either colder or more humid.

They are just as common on blue sky summer days, so the air temp theory of the skeptics - over periods of time - doesn't stack up.

Generally below -36 degrees air temp and in the 55 and above range for RH.

So as long as the lower altitude plane was in the right temp and RH zone then this is quite possible for the higher altitude plane to be in colder temp but lower RH .

Factually correct, but I, and others see this, all the time. That , statistically, would account for only a very small percentage of such disparate sightings.

If its going on then it is not conventional commercial airliners on standard routes as the debunkers are constantly insinuating is the chemtrailist view.

Agreed. If their fitted with special tanks and fittings, then obviously their not conventional commercial airliners. I have no set view, regarding type of craft, other than winged airliners of some sort.

More likely (if at all) to be recommisioned tankers ..

Don't know, my friend.:)

Believe me ,

If you study atmospheric soundings on a daily basis you will find variances in RH levels are quite pronounced..

its also difficult to say from the naked eye the difference in altitude.. They may look roughly the same size but could be 5 thousand feet difference..

In which case RH could be crucial... One trail dissipating the other spreading and vice versa..

Believe me , I have wrestled with the same observations myself.. I just dont think its possible to prove the theories on mass spraying of the population to everyones satisfaction..

[air_bn]

Good points you've made there hoverfly.I'm not as technical as fek or yourself, nevertheless I've never seen anything other than regular jets
making these trails.

Just an idea but another possibility could be due to the improvement of modern airline fleets with improved engines, making them run hotter and leaner,therefore more h2o emmissions meaning more trails = more sun filtering.Result, chemicals wouldn't be needed for a massive geo-engineering
project just more ice-crystals????

[hoverfly]

Groundhog day.

So far just as bad if not even worse, than yesterday.

Right now have just seen same as yesterday, with higher plane leaving five second contrail, as it flew over a mass of long-lasting wide spreading Chemtrails (many in number).

I saw no natural clouds during the last couple of hours, but now the sky is turning milky white.

[armoured_amazon]

Same here. :mad:

[hoverfly]

By the way, back in the late seventies and all of the eighties, I spent a great deal of time in the outdoors, and in general I'm very observant of nature and the natural environment.

I also spent a lot of time daydreaming, and being on my own.

I honestly cannot say that I saw ANY trails, of the type I have been seeing increasingly in the last few years.

Yes there were not quite so many flights then, but I still did not see these same 'persistant widespreading, long-lasting trails'.
Yet, we had similar atmospheric temperatures and air pressures - I would presume.

Whether this is objective or subjective maybe up for debate, but I know what I see with my own eyes.
This type of sky activity, simply DID NOT OCCUR back then, in my area.

[lobuk]

By the way, back in the late seventies and all of the eighties, I spent a great deal of time in the outdoors, and in general I'm very observant of nature and the natural environment.

I also spent a lot of time daydreaming, and being on my own.

I honestly cannot say that I saw ANY trails, of the type I have been seeing increasingly in the last few years.

Yes there were not quite so many flights then, but I still did not see these same 'persistant widespreading, long-lasting trails'.
Yet, we had similar atmospheric temperatures and air pressures - I would presume.

Whether this is objective or subjective maybe up for debate, but I know what I see with my own eyes.
This type of sky activity, simply DID NOT OCCUR back then, in my area.


Spot on and completely agree.

Anyone who has not experienced actually living in them days has no idea or no business even commenting about it. Experience is everything. Things were totally different back then.

I am old enough to also remember the 70's in great detail.

You see back in them days, we spent most of our time outdoors playing. There were no computers and very few TV stations. We were outdoors all of our spare time. There was nothing to do indoors and i have a perfect memory of what the Skies were like back then and i never seen a single Chemtrail back then. Just Contrails that quickly disappeared.

Everything was different back then. Even Food was completely different. It tasted different and was far more healthier and lasted months because it was minus the 10 ton of chemical shite that is in it now.

Chemtrails are very obvious and people only have to have common sense and to look upwards to see them.

People that deny the presence of Chemtrails have still not completely shed of their programming and are defending and making excuses for their Controllers who seek to manipulate and harm them and its the same as the people who defend the 9/11 Official Fairy Tale.

Sorry if that upsets anyone but the truth tends to hurt sometimes.

[armoured_amazon]

By the way, back in the late seventies and all of the eighties, I spent a great deal of time in the outdoors, and in general I'm very observant of nature and the natural environment.

I also spent a lot of time daydreaming, and being on my own.

I honestly cannot say that I saw ANY trails, of the type I have been seeing increasingly in the last few years.

Yes there were not quite so many flights then, but I still did not see these same 'persistant widespreading, long-lasting trails'.
Yet, we had similar atmospheric temperatures and air pressures - I would presume.

Whether this is objective or subjective maybe up for debate, but I know what I see with my own eyes.
This type of sky activity, simply DID NOT OCCUR back then, in my area.

Spot on and completely agree.

Anyone who has not experienced actually living in them days has no idea or no business even commenting about it. Experience is everything. Things were totally different back then.

I am old enough to also remember the 70's in great detail.

You see back in them days, we spent most of our time outdoors playing. There were no computers and very few TV stations. We were outdoors all of our spare time. There was nothing to do indoors and i have a perfect memory of what the Skies were like back then and i never seen a single Chemtrail back then. Just Contrails that quickly disappeared.

Everything was different back then. Even Food was completely different. It tasted different and was far more healthier and lasted months because it was minus the 10 ton of chemical shite that is in it now.

Chemtrails are very obvious and people only have to have common sense and to look upwards to see them.

People that deny the presence of Chemtrails have still not completely shed of their programming and are defending and making excuses for their Controllers who seek to manipulate and harm them and its the same as the people who defend the 9/11 Official Fairy Tale.

Sorry if that upsets anyone but the truth tends to hurt sometimes.

Quoted for truth! I was a dreamer and spent most of my time outdoors, summers lying in fields looking up at the sky. Both your posts are my experience exactly!

[scottishryan]

Fife Scotland was very active again today, even my kids are pointing it out now. I made a few people aware today by showing them, it was great as we saw commercial planes too and could compare normal trails with these long white sprayed trails that stay there all day then turn the sky a milky wispy white cloud all over aforementioned area.

Something is afoot and I am not a Muppet who can not tell the difference between normal flights, these mystery planes and natural cloud formations.

:)

[beldazar]

By the way, back in the late seventies and all of the eighties, I spent a great deal of time in the outdoors, and in general I'm very observant of nature and the natural environment.

I also spent a lot of time daydreaming, and being on my own.

I honestly cannot say that I saw ANY trails, of the type I have been seeing increasingly in the last few years.

Yes there were not quite so many flights then, but I still did not see these same 'persistant widespreading, long-lasting trails'.
Yet, we had similar atmospheric temperatures and air pressures - I would presume.

Whether this is objective or subjective maybe up for debate, but I know what I see with my own eyes.
This type of sky activity, simply DID NOT OCCUR back then, in my area.

Spot on and completely agree.

Anyone who has not experienced actually living in them days has no idea or no business even commenting about it. Experience is everything. Things were totally different back then.

I am old enough to also remember the 70's in great detail.

You see back in them days, we spent most of our time outdoors playing. There were no computers and very few TV stations. We were outdoors all of our spare time. There was nothing to do indoors and i have a perfect memory of what the Skies were like back then and i never seen a single Chemtrail back then. Just Contrails that quickly disappeared.

Everything was different back then. Even Food was completely different. It tasted different and was far more healthier and lasted months because it was minus the 10 ton of chemical shite that is in it now.Chemtrails are very obvious and people only have to have common sense and to look upwards to see them. People that deny the presence of Chemtrails have still not completely shed of their programming and are defending and making excuses for their Controllers who seek to manipulate and harm them and its the same as the people who defend the 9/11 Official Fairy Tale.

Sorry if that upsets anyone but the truth tends to hurt sometimes.

Brilliant and totally agree. I was born in '66 and I was out all the time, my mum would lock the back door, lol
Childhood was so much better then :(

[beldazar]

I remember when I first saw a chemtrail. I was taking my I5 year old to infants school and I stood staring at it.
I did wonder what it was but as time went by I accepted them as normal.
Until I came here that is :)

[air_bn]

I don't remember any long trails other than the very short variety in my youth either? When I did notice some trails getting very long/large/widespreading, and making cloud cover I became a chemtrail advocate and promoter with a mate of mine.I think he's still got some stuff up online,although I think he's almost entirely retired himself from being actively involved now.
I'll try and find the first pics I took and put them up.

Before anyone asks I'm still skeptical of any chemicals being involved in this
phenomenon now.

OK I suppose I should fess up to being a dreamer when I was a lad too,
lying on my back on the playing fields looking at the clouds, sunbeams and all that.

[subl1minal]

I'm positive all these photo's are entirely natural.

Have you ever studied pictures of different cloud formations ?

You're having a fuckin' laugh ain't you? I've been on this planet for 22 years and ever since I've started looking up at the sky, I've never seen anything like those, ever!!

[armoured_amazon]

You're having a fuckin' laugh ain't you? I've been on this planet for 22 years and ever since I've started looking up at the sky, I've never seen anything like those, ever!!

LOL innit? :D

Whenever I read the posts in this thread, I find myself humming this song.

Danny Kaye - Hans Christian Andersen - YouTube

[hoverfly]

You're having a fuckin' laugh ain't you? I've been on this planet for 22 years and ever since I've started looking up at the sky, I've never seen anything like those, ever!!

Steady on my good fellow.

Don't you know, that particular formation only comes round every 25 years, so just hold on a few years.

PS. you didn't answer my question.

And no, I wasn't havin a laugh, innit.:cool:

[tescos organic]

You're having a fuckin' laugh ain't you? I've been on this planet for 22 years....

aaah, the petulance of youth... :D

[klinker]

In my Opinion Air bn is here purely to stirr people up as Ive seen this type of approach on other forums and FB comments especially when David Does an Interview etc. so I will now not waste my energy on Air bn 's game...
I know what I see & feel just as many others do so I dont need to justify anything...
__________________________________________________ __________________
This is a great video if you havent seen it yet check it out http://vimeo.com/16219493

Agreed. Blindness to what is in front of ones eyes simply exposes one as a troll.

[klinker]

Absolute bullshit. The original contrails only occur when a plane is above a certain altitude where the plane is barely vsible. The contrail does not get any longer and dissipates as the plane is flying along. It resembles steam rather than somke and is'nt seen much at all these days.
Some of the planes leaving chemtrails are a much lower altitude and it depends on weather conditions, cloud already present and the condition of the atmosphere.

You say you have been studying chemtrails for a while, I think, you sir, are the liar as if you had you would have noticed on numerous occasions the planes stop spraying, do 'u' turns and start sprayng again. you would also have seen two planes at the same altitude, one spray and one not. you would also have seen patterns created in the sky in the shape of 'X's, pyramids, semi-circles and grids. You would have seen planes alter direction drastically and reinforce over they have already left chemtrails several times. You would also have seen them target the path of the sun.

Are you just thick or don't want to accept this is going on or something else entirely :rolleyes:

100% agree but don't get wound up by the bullshit comments from the trolls which is what they want of course.

There is no argument so far as I'm concerned. I don't care what planes are involved because that is totally irrelevant. The fact is it is happening.

[beldazar]

100% agree but don't get wound up by the bullshit comments from the trolls which is what they want of course.There is no argument so far as I'm concerned. I don't care what planes are involved because that is totally irrelevant. The fact is it is happening.

Yeah I know, lol.
Keeps my blood flowing when I get wound up so no big deal ;) :D

[klinker]

Oh yes of course this is normal airplane activity. Nothing to see here move on. All pictures taken by me of normal airplane activity.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s64/Boff_album/chems/today.jpg

Perfectly normal.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s64/Boff_album/chems/tictactoe.jpg

Lovely. Nothing to be concerned with.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s64/Boff_album/chems/IMG_9307.jpg

I don't see what the problem is.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s64/Boff_album/chems/DSCF0217.jpg

[beldazar]

^^ ^^

Ah klinker, if anybody doesn't think something is VERY WRONG with these pictures then, well, I ask...what is wrong with THEM ;)

[armoured_amazon]

^^ ^^

Ah klinker, if anybody doesn't think something is VERY WRONG with these pictures then, well, I ask...what is wrong with THEM ;)

I know. People have really convinced themselves that it's just regular commercial air traffic...

[beldazar]

I know. People have really convinced themselves that it's just regular commercial air traffic...

Unbloodybelieveable hey? :rolleyes:

Ah dear.....

[futurestar]

Normal i dont think so and if its for our good then why dont they tell us?:)

[beldazar]

Normal i dont think so and if its for our good then why dont they tell us?:)

Because they know we would die laughing? :D

[armoured_amazon]

Because they know we would die laughing? :D

"Give me something to breathe...I can't remember my own name...I think I've gone insane...I can't remember...I can't remember..."

Therapy? - Die Laughing - YouTube

[nirvanix]

Wow Klinker, that is some serious spraying activity you've got going on. Glad I'm not there.

Did you ever consider getting a bit of local soil analyzed for aluminum, or aluminium as they say over in ol' Blighty?

[air_bn]

I like the way you all agree together without addressing any of the points raised,in your 1 and 2 line responses.

"I have evidence of chemtrails too,I know they contain heavy metals and viruses and they are killing us as part of the depopulation agenda because some guys who are genuine folk tell me on the internet."

Anyone who seeks more info,tries to ask relevent questions and get others to do the same must be a troll playing games, naturally!!!!!

[beldazar]

:confused:

did somebody just say something??














:D Just kidding air bn, you believe what you want to believe ;)

[air_bn]

:confused:

did somebody just say something??

:D Just kidding air bn, you believe what you want to believe ;)

LOL fortunately I still have a healthy sense of humour despite all the goings on,real or imagined beldazar:D

No counter arguments though;)

Incidentaly, I have quite a few copies of the 'Aerosol Crimes+HAARP: Holes in Heaven', if I was a hypocrite I'd sell them on but I wont.

[beldazar]

LOL fortunately I still have a healthy sense of humour despite all the goings on,real or imagined beldazar:D

No counter arguments though;)

Incidentaly, I have quite a few copies of the 'Aerosol Crimes+HAARP: Holes in Heaven', if I was a hypocrite I'd sell them on but I wont.

That's good then :)

did you read the latest posting on the Headlines page?

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines

[air_bn]

Now I've seen that,is this where I get banned if I continue asking awkward questions on chemtrail themes :shocker:

[beldazar]

Now I've seen that,is this where I get banned if I continue asking awkward questions on chemtrail themes :shocker:

no marpats still here, lol

[air_bn]

no marpats still here, lol

Oh,that's ok then:) you might want to see what I say on the other chem related threads recently in that case.
I don't know of marpat, does he deny anything is going on anywhere?

[beldazar]

Oh,that's ok then:) you might want to see what I say on the other chem related threads recently in that case.
I don't know of marpat, does he deny anything is going on anywhere?

Thanks for the offer but I am interested in a whole lot more than just chemtrails and I don't have any questions hanging over my head about them :)

why don't you ask marpat, maybe you two can gang up together ;)

[insert_creative_name_here]

Found this and thought of everyone on this thread. It's from the US patent office, so I don't think the patents are the same in the UK. I don't know, so don't quote me on that. But, ta da, here ya go....

For anyone doubting the existence of the phenomenon of ‘chemtrails’, please take a minute to read through this extensive list of patents from America on equipment and processes used in just such programs. The evidence is clear folks.

United States Patent and Trademark Office
1338343 – April 27, 1920 – Process And Apparatus For The Production of Intense Artificial Clouds, Fogs, or Mists
1619183 – March 1, 1927 – Process of Producing Smoke Clouds From Moving Aircraft
1631753 – June 7, 1927 – Electric Heater – Referenced in 3990987
1665267 – April 10, 1928 – Process of Producing Artificial Fogs
1892132 – December 27, 1932 – Atomizing Attachment For Airplane Engine Exhausts
1928963 – October 3, 1933 – Electrical System And Method
1957075 – May 1, 1934 – Airplane Spray Equipment
2097581 – November 2, 1937 – Electric Stream Generator – Referenced in 3990987
2409201 – October 15, 1946 – Smoke Producing Mixture
2476171 – July 18, 1945 – Smoke Screen Generator
2480967 – September 6, 1949 – Aerial Discharge Device
2550324 – April 24, 1951 – Process For Controlling Weather
2510867 – October 9, 1951 – Method of Crystal Formation and Precipitation
2582678 – June 15, 1952 – Material Disseminating Apparatus For Airplanes
2591988 – April 8, 1952 – Production of TiO2 Pigments – Referenced in 3899144
2614083 – October 14, 1952 – Metal Chloride Screening Smoke Mixture
2633455 – March 31, 1953 – Smoke Generator
2688069 – August 31, 1954 – Steam Generator – Referenced in 3990987
2721495 – October 25, 1955 – Method And Apparatus For Detecting Minute Crystal Forming Particles Suspended in a Gaseous Atmosphere
2730402 – January 10, 1956 – Controllable Dispersal Device
2801322 – July 30, 1957 – Decomposition Chamber for Monopropellant Fuel – Referenced in 3990987
2881335 – April 7, 1959 – Generation of Electrical Fields
2908442 – October 13, 1959 – Method For Dispersing Natural Atmospheric Fogs And Clouds
2986360 – May 30, 1962 – Aerial Insecticide Dusting Device
2963975 – December 13, 1960 – Cloud Seeding Carbon Dioxide Bullet
3126155 – March 24, 1964 – Silver Iodide Cloud Seeding Generator – Referenced in 3990987
3127107 – March 31, 1964 – Generation of Ice-Nucleating Crystals
3131131 – April 28, 1964 – Electrostatic Mixing in Microbial Conversions
3174150 – March 16, 1965 – Self-Focusing Antenna System????
3234357 – February 8, 1966 – Electrically Heated Smoke Producing Device
3274035 – September 20, 1966 – Metallic Composition For Production of Hydroscopic Smoke
3300721 – January 24, 1967 – Means For Communication Through a Layer of Ionized Gases
3313487 – April 11, 1967 – Cloud Seeding Apparatus
3338476 – August 29, 1967 – Heating Device For Use With Aerosol Containers – Referenced in 3990987
3410489 – November 12, 1968 – Automatically Adjustable Airfoil Spray System With Pump
3429507 – February 25, 1969 – Rainmaker
3432208 – November 7, 1967 – Fluidized Particle Dispenser
3441214 – April 29, 1969 – Method And Apparatus For Seeding Clouds
3445844 – May 20, 1969 – Trapped Electromagnetic Radiation Communications System
3456880 – July 22, 1969 – Method Of Producing Precipitation From The Atmosphere
3518670 June 30, 1970 – Artificial Ion Cloud
3534906 – October 20, 1970 – Control of Atmospheric Particles
3545677 – December 8, 1970 – Method of Cloud Seeding
3564253 – February 16, 1971 – System And Method For Irradiation Of Planet Surface Areas
3587966 – June 28, 1971 – Freezing Nucleation
3601312 – August 24, 1971 – Methods of Increasing The Likelihood oF Precipatation By The Artificial Introduction Of Sea Water Vapor Into The Atmosphere Winward Of An Air Lift Region
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4415265 – November 15, 1983 – Method and apparatus for aerosol particle absorption spectroscopy
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[armoured_amazon]

Thank you for posting, i_c_n_h. I got the usual 'raised eyebrows while humouring the crazy girl' yesterday when telling someone about them.

[beldazar]

Excellent one insert creative name here :cool: ;)

[nirvanix]

If their is someone on this forum that works in a chemistry/geology lab somewhere I would appreciate if they took a local soil sample in for analysis. If they are spraying aluminum, elevated levels would be detected in the sample. Another thing that could be tested for aluminum is a sample of your hair. If they are spraying we are absorbing it. Let's get scientific about this.

[beldazar]

If their is someone on this forum that works in a chemistry/geology lab somewhere I would appreciate if they took a local soil sample in for analysis. If they are spraying aluminum, elevated levels would be detected in the sample. Another thing that could be tested for aluminum is a sample of your hair. If they are spraying we are absorbing it. Let's get scientific about this.

Well most of us here don't need 'proof' of anything so good luck with that ;)

[armoured_amazon]

It would be interesting to know, though. Independent soil and hair test results would be a bonus when contacting our MPs.

Although there's that many chemicals in my hair already, there's no point me running that test lol :D

[beldazar]

It would be interesting to know, though. Independent soil and hair test results would be a bonus when contacting our MPs.Although there's that many chemicals in my hair already, there's no point me running that test lol :D

Largejack contacted his over this and got no joy and the MP down here has the annoying habit of deleting my posts on his profile page :mad:

Yes it would be of interest to see but I don't really think there is much point.
And yes, we are loaded with chemicals anyway.
I bought my son some spot cream and the main ingredient was...Aluminium sulphate :mad:

[armoured_amazon]

Largejack contacted his over this and got no joy and the MP down here has the annoying habit of deleting my posts on his profile page :mad:

Yes it would be of interest to see but I don't really think there is much point.
And yes, we are loaded with chemicals anyway.
I bought my son some spot cream and the main ingredient was...Aluminium sulphate :mad:

Fookin' ay. Aside from being hormone-related, I think my problem skin is to do with the air 'quality'. I used to have PERFECT skin. When I got across to Spain - for only two days! - the combination of clear skies and sunshine fixed me for a while. But now it's back to crappy skin. I can't wait to move.

[beldazar]

Fookin' ay. Aside from being hormone-related, I think my problem skin is to do with the air 'quality'. I used to have PERFECT skin. When I got across to Spain - for only two days! - the combination of clear skies and sunshine fixed me for a while. But now it's back to crappy skin. I can't wait to move.

The air is pretty good where I live, AA, lots of fresh sea air so I consider myself very lucky.
I overheard a conversation the other day in a bookstore where a woman was telling the check-out person how her asthma was really bad where she used to live (can't remember where) but since she has been living down here she has had no problems.

[air_bn]

Hey we have what appears to be 'meat on the bone' here from original sources as well:

http://patft.uspto.gov/

and

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/

I expect everyone here will check these links out when they get time.

[fekdemasons]

Hey we have what appears to be 'meat on the bone' here from original sources as well:

http://patft.uspto.gov/

and

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/

I expect everyone here will check these links out when they get time.

Found this under Geoengineering Keyword search:-

Doesn't explain what the payload is or how it is introduced ??


"High altitude atmospheric injection system and method United States Patent Application 20100071771

system and method is described generally for affecting atmospheric change. The system and method include providing a high altitude conduit or track. The system and method also include providing a first material through the conduit or via a payload delivery system. Further, the system and method include expelling the first material into the atmosphere at high altitude. "

[air_bn]

As I said I would (post 3051), here is a small sample of my early pics of the trails taken around early 2007. They are a bit tame compared to my later images:

http://upshizzle.com/files/2772_6czoj/Photo23_19A.jpg

http://upshizzle.com/files/2771_woao2/Photo15_11A.jpg

http://upshizzle.com/files/2773_pjw6d/Photo25_21A.jpg

Geo-engineering (global cooling) by contrails,no aluminium, no barium etc needed just jet exhaust.

[indianinthemachine]

http://indianinthemachine.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/chemtrailsdetoxionicfootbathorganicfarmingsylphspi cturesphotoscontrails.jpg

THERE ARE NO MORE "ORGANIC" FOODS, THERE ARE ONLY ACIDIC CHEMTRAIL FOODS LEFT - BY DIETER BRAUN (INDIAN IN THE MACHINE)

http://indianinthemachine.wordpress.com/2010/11/14/there-are-no-more-organic-foods-there-are-only-acidic-chemtrail-foods-left-by-dieter-braun-indian-in-the-machine/

[tescos organic]

dieter, if you keep posting the same post in different threads, it's called spamming.

i think you'll find it's against site rules........

[air_bn]

As I said I would (post 3051), here is a small sample of my early pics of the trails taken around early 2007. They are a bit tame compared to my later images:

http://upshizzle.com/files/2772_6czoj/Photo23_19A.jpg

http://upshizzle.com/files/2771_woao2/Photo15_11A.jpg

http://upshizzle.com/files/2773_pjw6d/Photo25_21A.jpg

Geo-engineering (global cooling) by contrails,no aluminium, no barium etc needed just jet exhaust.

I'm positive I gave myself permission to post these images?

[subl1minal]

I've just gotten to the point where I'm not letting them bother me. They get off on us knowing they're trying to poison every aspect of our lives, but I'm not letting them convince me! More and more people are waking up to them though!

[air_bn]

I've just gotten to the point where I'm not letting them bother me. They get off on us knowing they're trying to poison every aspect of our lives, but I'm not letting them convince me! More and more people are waking up to them though!

Same here since May sub, for the now obvious reason:)

[lookfar]

We had a really heavy spraying here this morning, spreading out widely, especially over the sun. Far more chemmies than I've seen in quite a while.

It started as a lovely sunny day & we now have thick grey cloud. Has anyone else in the UK noticed the same today?

[scottishryan]

I came on this thread to check if anyone else noticed this mornings spraying...this is taking the biscuit now. People are actually watching them now!!

Over Edinburgh/Fife they have turned a bright lovely day into shit and you can clearly see the trails all over the sky! I've started to point them out to folks now!!

I have photo's on my phone and after I get back this weekend I will hunt out the USB cable and post them up...clear as fookin day!! :rolleyes:

[lobuk]

Yeah getting absolutely battered here in the North West today. The most i have seen in ages. They are forming multiple criss cross grids left right and center. Makes you sick just looking at it. The lovely clear blue sky is absolutely destroyed.

[lookfar]

I came on this thread to check if anyone else noticed this mornings spraying...this is taking the biscuit now. People are actually watching them now!!

Over Edinburgh/Fife they have turned a bright lovely day into shit and you can clearly see the trails all over the sky! I've started to point them out to folks now!!

I have photo's on my phone and after I get back this weekend I will hunt out the USB cable and post them up...clear as fookin day!! :rolleyes:

I know, it's pretty blatant isn't it! Well done on pointing them out to people. What sort of responses have you been getting?

I tried the same over the years & have received mixed responses, mostly along the lines that I'm some mad conspiracy theorist to some who will actually look at them & take a bit of notice.

Today I was walking to work staring up at the sky in disgust with the amount & thickness of them! I've not seen so many for quite some time, I wonder why they're increasing them all over the UK today?

Yeah getting absolutely battered here in the North West today. The most i have seen in ages. They are forming multiple criss cross grids left right and center. Makes you sick just looking at it. The lovely clear blue sky is absolutely destroyed.

I'm sorry to hear that you've got the same up there lobuk. As I said above, I'm wondering why there's a sudden increase in them, or even why they've eased off over the last few weeks? Seems a bit strange doesn't it.

[ex sheep]

I came on this thread to check if anyone else noticed this mornings spraying...this is taking the biscuit now. People are actually watching them now!!

Over Edinburgh/Fife they have turned a bright lovely day into shit and you can clearly see the trails all over the sky! I've started to point them out to folks now!!

I have photo's on my phone and after I get back this weekend I will hunt out the USB cable and post them up...clear as fookin day!! :rolleyes:
Yes we had a clear day yesterday, no trails, and anybody that didn't see the mess in the sky today, well I dunno, must be looking at their feet as they walk.

Do these pilots have a conscious mind, for their own families sake, they must know they are flying around criss crossing.

But I'll betcha the have been wired up to some shit like " It is to stop global warming and you have to sign this secrecy form here, you are helping the planet, but don't tell anyone, just do your bit for humanity."

Well that's my theory anyway.

[al_chemy]

We had a really heavy spraying here this morning, spreading out widely, especially over the sun. Far more chemmies than I've seen in quite a while.

It started as a lovely sunny day & we now have thick grey cloud. Has anyone else in the UK noticed the same today?

Yup, the home of the British army (Aldershot area) is being sprayed again today also.
It was lovely and clear this morning at sun rise and now its grey, behind the clouds you can see trails and they sky is a really really light blue colour away from the sun, towards the sun is completely white/haze.

I had/have chats with a guy at work and he says 'why would our government do that? They are here to protect us'. I keep showing him the trails and he still questions that they exist. Er hello you just looked at them FFS.

[manonthemoon]

You should let them bother you! The Government is a puppet front for Illuminae agents who instruct the government to seed mere the chemtrails (it is NOT spraying- that is dis-information) from the jet engine fuel in order to excercise mind control over the populace. That is why when we "vote" a new government in they break all the pre-""election"" promises and nothing changes in the country, despite going from Labour to the Con-Dems.


I live near an airport in the UK. It has one very long runway and manages to keep open and stay viable despite having almost no passengers and little freight activity. I believe it is a Chemtrail base. I have watched aircraft circling the airport many times with high powered binoculars and the trails DEFINITELY come out of the engines. Therefore the chemtrails MUST be heavy metals therefore one MUST wear a mask at all times to stay safe.

Even indoors.

Beware the lies spread by Illuminae disinformation agents- both on the internet and within this forum. It is possible to stay safe- you MUST ALLWAYS WEAR THE MASK!

http://www.loupiote.com/burningman/photos_m/2839450674-3m-respirator-dust-particulate-mask.jpg
__________________________________________________ _______________

WAKE UP! "some of those that were forces, are the same that burn crosses"
"and now you do what they told ya, and now you do what they told ya,
and now you do what they told ya, and now you do what they told ya, "

[al_chemy]

It is possible to stay safe- you MUST ALLWAYS WEAR THE MASK!
"

Funny you say that, I have seen 2 people wearing the paper masks just this week. I think i knew why, but others were giving funny looks.

If it was you driving in Reading yesterday at 7.25am - Hi!

[manonthemoon]

Hi back Al-chemy!

__________________________________________________ _______________

WAKE UP! "some of those that were forces, are the same that burn crosses"
"and now you do what they told ya, and now you do what they told ya,
and now you do what they told ya, and now you do what they told ya, "

[lookfar]

Yes we had a clear day yesterday, no trails, and anybody that didn't see the mess in the sky today, well I dunno, must be looking at their feet as they walk.

Do these pilots have a conscious mind, for their own families sake, they must know they are flying around criss crossing.

But I'll betcha the have been wired up to some shit like " It is to stop global warming and you have to sign this secrecy form here, you are helping the planet, but don't tell anyone, just do your bit for humanity."

Well that's my theory anyway.

That's also one of the theories I have entertained too sheepy as it seems quite plausable to me & hence why no-one has come out & admitted to doing them. But who knows really, could be any number of reasons?:confused:

I know what you mean, for people not to notice what a mess the sky was this morning is quite shocking isn't it!!

Yup, the home of the British army (Aldershot area) is being sprayed again today also.
It was lovely and clear this morning at sun rise and now its grey, behind the clouds you can see trails and they sky is a really really light blue colour away from the sun, towards the sun is completely white/haze.

I had/have chats with a guy at work and he says 'why would our government do that? They are here to protect us'. I keep showing him the trails and he still questions that they exist. Er hello you just looked at them FFS.

Yeah it's been the same here too, although I'm not too far from you.

Oh bless him, so he still believe they're here to "protect" us does he? Well in that case, I doubt he's gonna take on the chemmy issue, or if he does, then it may be in line with sheepy's theory above.

You should let them bother you! The Government is a puppet front for Illuminae agents who instruct the government to seed mere the chemtrails (it is NOT spraying- that is dis-information) from the jet engine fuel in order to excercise mind control over the populace. That is why when we "vote" a new government in they break all the pre-""election"" promises and nothing changes in the country, despite going from Labour to the Con-Dems.

I live near an airport in the UK. It has one very long runway and manages to keep open and stay viable despite having almost no passengers and little freight activity. I believe it is a Chemtrail base. I have watched aircraft circling the airport many times with high powered binoculars and the trails DEFINITELY come out of the engines. Therefore the chemtrails MUST be heavy metals therefore one MUST wear a mask at all times to stay safe.

Even indoors.

Beware the lies spread by Illuminae disinformation agents- both on the internet and within this forum. It is possible to stay safe- you MUST ALLWAYS WEAR THE MASK!

http://www.loupiote.com/burningman/photos_m/2839450674-3m-respirator-dust-particulate-mask.jpg
__________________________________________________ _______________

WAKE UP! "some of those that were forces, are the same that burn crosses"
"and now you do what they told ya, and now you do what they told ya,
and now you do what they told ya, and now you do what they told ya, "

Well I personally don't believe that they're using chemtrails as a form of mind control. They have lots of other far more efficient means than that at their disposal if that was the case.

Do you always wear a mask then?

[lobuk]

I find overall i see positive responses from people when i point them out.

I usually try and point them when there are both Contrails and Chemtrails in the sky so they can see the very obvious difference and most times, it makes people think a bit more about it. They often say the same sort of things too such as "I have never noticed that before" and then they suddenly realise that is because they are that busy that they hardly ever look up LoL. :D

Even family members casually talk about them in conversation now too with things such as "Wow, they are spraying like mad today" :)

Its great to see people becoming aware of these sort of things.

[lookfar]

I find overall i see positive responses from people when i point them out.

I usually try and point them when there are both Contrails and Chemtrails in the sky so they can see the very obvious difference and most times, it makes people think a bit more about it. They often say the same sort of things too such as "I have never noticed that before" and then they suddenly realise that is because they are that busy that they hardly ever look up LoL. :D

Even family members casually talk about them in conversation now too with things such as "Wow, they are spraying like mad today" :)

Its great to see people becoming aware of these sort of things.

That's good to hear that you're getting more accepting responses, rather than them thinking you're mad!:) It's amazing how many people don't actually look up at the sky, or question what they see when they do.

[scottishryan]

I am wording how I approach the subject very carefully. Pointing out that they are spraying us and using global warming as an excuse but in the mean time how we are being hit with aluminium et al which can not be good for us.

So just telling them to watch the skies, look with their own eyes and compare regular flights with these sprayers and make their own mind up. I have then told them to get online and research, watch the films about it and get back to me.

I have also let people know How I thought it was all Bullshit till I saw it for myself and that what I personally experience means much more that what I am fed by anyone. So they should all just trust in themselves and that goes for a multitude of subjects.

So blatant today, I have the criss cross pictures and now as I look outside you struggle to see through the think fluffy cloud!! It under no circumstances looks natural.

Well I am off for the weekend to central Scotland...I will be keeping my eyes peeled :)

Have a good one folks!!

[lobuk]

I am wording how I approach the subject very carefully. Pointing out that they are spraying us and using global warming as an excuse but in the mean time how we are being hit with aluminium et al which can not be good for us.

So just telling them to watch the skies, look with their own eyes and compare regular flights with these sprayers and make their own mind up. I have then told them to get online and research, watch the films about it and get back to me.

I have also let people know How I thought it was all Bullshit till I saw it for myself and that what I personally experience means much more that what I am fed by anyone. So they should all just trust in themselves and that goes for a multitude of subjects.

So blatant today, I have the criss cross pictures and now as I look outside you struggle to see through the think fluffy cloud!! It under no circumstances looks natural.

Well I am off for the weekend to central Scotland...I will be keeping my eyes peeled :)

Have a good one folks!!

Have a great time mate. ;) :)

[al_chemy]

Hi back Al-chemy!



Wow, really? DIF on your doorstep! :)
I'll wave next time, i'm usually there at that time!!!

[whatsinaname]

The worst its been for a while here today...

Well, visibly, that is.


Such a mess, it should be impossible for anyone to not notice.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee64/bosstyla/MatildaJan2011039.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee64/bosstyla/MatildaJan2011040.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee64/bosstyla/MatildaJan2011042.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee64/bosstyla/trailsjan2011002.jpg

[lobuk]

The worst its been for a while here today...

Well, visibly, that is.


Such a mess, it should be impossible for anyone to not notice.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee64/bosstyla/MatildaJan2011039.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee64/bosstyla/MatildaJan2011040.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee64/bosstyla/MatildaJan2011042.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee64/bosstyla/trailsjan2011002.jpg

Amazing Photos mate and yep, thats the same as we had today.

Its unmissible and anyone who thinks that is normal is beyond de-programming.

[whatsinaname]

Amazing Photos mate and yep, thats the same as we had today.

Its unmissible and anyone who thinks that is normal is beyond de-programming.


More than ever today, it seemed there was a deliberate attempt to block out the sun.:mad:

[doubledrop]

Glasgow has been bad today! Them photo's are amazing. That last one is great.

[chrispbacon]

The skies were absolutely clogged with chemtrails over East Lancs this afternoon.

You just feel so powerless looking at them and knowing there is fcuk all you can do. :mad:

[bobbydiva]

One above my office this morning:
One Dirty Long Chemtrail? - YouTube

[martg]

lots here too, very similar to the pics Lobuk posted (excellent pics Lobuk)

from todays posts it seems obvious that they have been spraying heavily across the country today (certainly in the north anyway)

[lobuk]

lots here too, very similar to the pics Lobuk posted (excellent pics Lobuk)

from todays posts it seems obvious that they have been spraying heavily across the country today (certainly in the north anyway)

Just so you know, it was whatsinaname that posted the superb pics mate LoL. :)

But yeah, brilliant pics and it seems that loads of areas of the UK have been absolutely battered today.

[martg]

Just so you know, it was whatsinaname that posted the superb pics mate LoL. :)

But yeah, brilliant pics and it seems that loads of areas of the UK have been absolutely battered today.

oops :o sorry whatsinaname

[whatsinaname]

oops :o sorry whatsinaname

No problem.:)

By the sound of things, everyone's had similar skies today.:(

[gladys]

very heavy spraying over Shropshire today also......

[griswald]

Loads and loads in the midlands in ireland.

They even got a mention on the RTE weather bulletin. And were explained as contrail clouds formed by aircraft exhaust gases.:confused:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059616528&postcount=7


gris...

[hoverfly]

Loads and loads in the midlands in ireland.

They even got a mention on the RTE weather bulletin. And were explained as contrail clouds formed by aircraft exhaust gases.:confused:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059616528&postcount=7


gris...

BUMP.

Now, that really is a first.
Something funny going on there.
:confused:

[griswald]

here it is in full colour. Just prior to Jim Corrs appearence on The Late Late show. I smell something,

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/899/cc4f.png (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/cc4f.png/)

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griswald

[martg]

here it is in full colour. Just prior to Jim Corrs appearence on The Late Late show. I smell something,

griswald

my goodness.......isn't that nice of them to clarify that for us :rolleyes:

[sandfordhilldave]

We took a severe battering in staffordshire today.

I was thinking about taking some pictures as its something I've never really spoken about before.

I saw contrails and chemtrails being left at the same time as eachother, and watched as the contrails soon disappeared.

The narrow chem trail bands were slowly spreading to form very very wide bands across the sky. They almost looked sticky. Can't think of a better word to describe it.

I've never seen the sky look as dirty as it did today. :(

[lobuk]

here it is in full colour. Just prior to Jim Corrs appearence on The Late Late show. I smell something,

griswald

Nice catch :)

The daft thing is that the very fact that they were clarifying them in such a way has the opposite effect on anyone with a working braincell as it shows instantly that they are trying to explain or should i say "brainwash" the public to think they are normal.

If they were normal, then there would be no need to clarify them LoL. :D

[griswald]

Nice catch :)

The daft thing is that the very fact that they were clarifying them in such a way has the opposite effect on anyone with a working braincell as it shows instantly that they are trying to explain or should i say "brainwash" the public to think they are normal.

If they were normal, then there would be no need to clarify them LoL. :D

I,m going to e mail the met office today for a technical explanation of that broadcast, and see if I can get some idea of how they reached the conclusion that clouds are formed by aircraft engines.:)

griswald

Just sent a query.
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[tescos organic]

I,m going to e mail the met office today for a technical explanation of that broadcast, and see if I can get some idea of how they reached the conclusion that clouds are formed by aircraft engines.:)

you need to email the met office for that???

[manonthemoon]

That's also one of the theories I have entertained too sheepy as it seems quite plausable to me & hence why no-one has come out & admitted to doing them. But who knows really, could be any number of reasons?:confused:

I know what you mean, for people not to notice what a mess the sky was this morning is quite shocking isn't it!!



Yeah it's been the same here too, although I'm not too far from you.

Oh bless him, so he still believe they're here to "protect" us does he? Well in that case, I doubt he's gonna take on the chemmy issue, or if he does, then it may be in line with sheepy's theory above.



Well I personally don't believe that they're using chemtrails as a form of mind control. They have lots of other far more efficient means than that at their disposal if that was the case.

Do you always wear a mask then?

I keep an eye on the sky. When they are spraying their Elementrails (EMT's) then I wear the mask. One gets some funny looks on the bus or in the farm shop for example, but then this is the price one has to pay for one's freedom. Besides which, the mask may also prevent SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu and other Illuminae created microorganisms from entering ones temple/body. It can also make communication difficult with the mask on.

You need to understand that the EMT's are only part of the Illuminae grand mind control strategy. These contaminents weaken the brain and one's sense of self, then the infrasound from wind-farms, the code hidden in digital recordings and the bombardment of propaganda on oursenses- both obvious and subliminal from the worlds media does the rest.

You need to identify your local EMT spraying station- always an airport that never seems busy enough to warrant its continued economic viability. Then visit it often, keep an eye on air traffic movements, watch the skies and you can learn when you need to wear the mask and when the air is pure. Usually after heavy rain or an Icelandic volcano has sent its ash our way. Pray for Katla to blow and send her ash our way!

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[vagrant applicant]

weather today called for sunny skies, the first in a week, but they were out spraying early this morning, and, within an hour, the skies were overcast.

[al_chemy]

weather today called for sunny skies, the first in a week, but they were out spraying early this morning, and, within an hour, the skies were overcast.

The 7am 'South today' weather report had the weatherperson stood in front of a picture of a big trail, only briefly, then the picture changed to a more usual type.

From early on the direction of the sun was blocked, now that direction is clear(er) but the sun is blocked where it is now.

After a trip to www.saive.com, under case orange/cloverleaf there is an interesting line about budget airlines and fuel costs/rebates.

Quote:

Comparing the profit margins of low fare airlines reveals sizeable disparities between carriers. Saskia's preliminary calculations suggest further investigation could find companies with covert geoengineering contracts could be receiving substantial adjustments on fuel costs as "payment".
/end quote.

Although there is no proof of these figures on this site perhaps "Saskia" has this info hardcopy somewhere. (am about to start reading the report)

Interesting? Why is BA having so much trouble since 2009? Did they grow a conscience?

[truthseeker1980]

It's a lovely blue sky day today, like the ones I remeber as a child, with the odd 'CONTRAIL' being left a few feet behind the planes.

Anywhere else chemtrail free today?

[porridge]

Hey Truth, skys clear blue in London today, no trails. Think was same yesterday.

I shall enjoy while it lasts & go out on my bike:cool:

[air_bn]

Seen a couple of medium size contrails today,but despite the lack, there's the familiar haze often associated with the chemtrail residue coming back this evening?

[alison]

I live about 50 miles outh of gatwick, usually chem trails all over, for the passed 4 days the skies have been crystal clear, for 2 days saw no planes!!! saw 5 planes today high up,, no chemtrails, saw another 2 with just a 2 inch trail (relative to height obviously).. This i not normal for where i live, planes are usually continuous! The sky is too clear. I wondered whether they have been using a new form of trail thats invisible to eye, but that would not explain the lack of planes..

Any ideas??? :confused:

[tescos organic]

I live about 50 miles outh of gatwick, usually chem trails all over, for the passed 4 days the skies have been crystal clear, for 2 days saw no planes!!! saw 5 planes today high up,, no chemtrails, saw another 2 with just a 2 inch trail (relative to height obviously).. This i not normal for where i live, planes are usually continuous! The sky is too clear. I wondered whether they have been using a new form of trail thats invisible to eye, but that would not explain the lack of planes..

Any ideas??? :confused:
maybe the lack of trails is to do with the weather? planes are pretty hard to spot, 4-6 miles up, with no white trail out the back saying "here i am", i'm sure we'd have heard if the airports were shut and there were no planes up there.

[alison]

maybe the lack of trails is to do with the weather? planes are pretty hard to spot, 4-6 miles up, with no white trail out the back saying "here i am", i'm sure we'd have heard if the airports were shut and there were no planes up there.

good point

[subl1minal]

I'm now convinced they spray the skies to deflect the solar flares the sun is giving off. A fuckin HUGE one went off in the last 24 hours and today they're spraying like loons, yesterday they didn't spray at all here in London.

Here's the flare..

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/LATEST/current_c2.mpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6707/latestw.jpg

[jem stone]

I'm now convinced they spray the skies to deflect the solar flares the sun is giving off. A fuckin HUGE one went off in the last 24 hours and today they're spraying like loons, yesterday they didn't spray at all here in London.

Here's the flare..

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/LATEST/current_c2.mpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6707/latestw.jpg

This is the conclusion I've come to as well. I'm in Bristol & today was the worse I have ever seen for chemtrails - huge grids over the city all day.

Depositing barium, magnesium etc into the atmosphere makes perfect sense for deflecting radiation & I suspect , when "they" can cover it up no longer, we will be told that the side effects of the population breathing this shit in was deemed acceptable collateral damage.

It would also go some way to explaining why the truth has not come out yet - if the people involved & in the know believe it is for the greater good.

[alison]

I'm now convinced they spray the skies to deflect the solar flares the sun is giving off. A fuckin HUGE one went off in the last 24 hours and today they're spraying like loons, yesterday they didn't spray at all here in London.

Here's the flare..

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/LATEST/current_c2.mpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6707/latestw.jpg

Makes sense.

[erthiz]

Hey Guys

Im in Caerphilly, South Wales.

The chemtrails today were unbelievable.

4 lines, right across the sky, and then 5 going horizontally through them. A huge grid.

I wouldve taken a photo but i was stuck in work :(

[stupid]

I'm now convinced they spray the skies to deflect the solar flares the sun is giving off. A fuckin HUGE one went off in the last 24 hours and today they're spraying like loons, yesterday they didn't spray at all here in London.


Help me understand.
If what you say is true, why are they spraying mostly over the ocean, and not over land ?

Here is March 9th satellite photo... (http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=Europe_2_01.2011068.aqua.500m)

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[christ4life]

I have seen them late at night on warm nights when people are likely to be sitting outside on the porch. It is not just daytime here.

[vagrant applicant]

one thing i'm convinced of is they're NOT spraying to protect anyone from a solar flare. this has been going on for too long, and it would need not be so covert if this was the case - if they told people "hey, unless we spray this shit, which may be toxic, we're all gonna fry - which do you choose?" it would be pretty clear.

yesterday, the chemtrails were bad in the morning, over the sun of course, but as the day went on they got fewer and fewer - certainly not even close to the worst i have seen it.

[jem stone]

Some pics I took yesterday in Bristol

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7818/09032011014.jpg

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7833/09032011015o.jpg

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/9942/09032011016.jpg

http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/291/09032011017.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8532/09032011018.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5185/09032011019v.jpg

[erthiz]

Help me understand.
If what you say is true, why are they spraying mostly over the ocean, and not over land ?

Here is March 9th satellite photo... (http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=Europe_2_01.2011068.aqua.500m)

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Are they spraying more over the ocean than over land?

1 photo doesnt prove that :)

[lookfar]

We've had them pretty bad here this morning down south & it's now turned cloudy:( Has anyone else got them bad today?

[erthiz]

We've had them pretty bad here this morning down south & it's now turned cloudy:( Has anyone else got them bad today?

Grey Clouds here now in South Wales, was really bad yesterday evening.

[stupid]

Are they spraying more over the ocean than over land?

1 photo doesnt prove that :)



But it is a photo of more trails over the ocean, than on land, agreed ?

I'm not saying that is not always the case, but it does happen often.

Here's another one for today (3/11).....see the channel off the coast of France ?
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=United_Kingdom_Ireland.2011070.terra.1km
(another view...)
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=Europe_2_01.2011070.aqua.1km

There are hundreds of photos of trails over oceans, over hundreds of days.
Why are they over oceans at all, in any explanation of "chemtrails" ?




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[stargategazer]

A beautiful blue sky first thing this morning in Hereford was blitzed by planes this morning resulting in a sky of milky grey and sun blocked out by 10am

[fekdemasons]

But it is a photo of more trails over the ocean, than on land, agreed ?

I'm not saying that is not always the case, but it does happen often.

Here's another one for today (3/11).....see the channel off the coast of France ?
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=United_Kingdom_Ireland.2011070.terra.1km
(another view...)
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=Europe_2_01.2011070.aqua.1km

There are hundreds of photos of trails over oceans, over hundreds of days.
Why are they over oceans at all, in any explanation of "chemtrails" ?




.

Its because over large bodies of water there is more moisture rising in the air which means Relative Humidity is generally higher at cruising altitudes.
Contrails form at RH levels 50 ish and above.. Then of course they spread.

Not to say that somethings not mixed in over land .. who knows.

[subl1minal]

Help me understand.
If what you say is true, why are they spraying mostly over the ocean, and not over land ?

Here is March 9th satellite photo... (http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=Europe_2_01.2011068.aqua.500m)

.

Most probably because they're blowing over the ocean. Once they spray they blow away pretty fast to other regions, that's why they keep spraying every hour to keep places covered.

[subl1minal]

one thing i'm convinced of is they're NOT spraying to protect anyone from a solar flare. this has been going on for too long, and it would need not be so covert if this was the case - if they told people "hey, unless we spray this shit, which may be toxic, we're all gonna fry - which do you choose?" it would be pretty clear.

yesterday, the chemtrails were bad in the morning, over the sun of course, but as the day went on they got fewer and fewer - certainly not even close to the worst i have seen it.


I wasn't saying they're protecting anyone, because I see the Solar Flares as a good thing, it's part of the shift...

[beldazar]

Most probably because they're blowing over the ocean. Once they spray they blow away pretty fast to other regions, that's why they keep spraying every hour to keep places covered.

Yes often the trails here have been blown over rather than laid here.

I wasn't saying they're protecting anyone, because I see the Solar Flares as a good thing, it's part of the shift...

Yes, me too ;)

[stupid]

Most probably because they're blowing over the ocean. Once they spray they blow away pretty fast to other regions, that's why they keep spraying every hour to keep places covered.

Are you suggesting that whoever is "spraying" has no knowledge of weather and wind conditions ?, and "spray" willy-nilly ?
...and accidentally keep the E. channel covered ?

[klinker]

Saturday 9.45 AM, Oxford Road in Reading, Berkshire.

Nothing going on here. This is all perfectly normal.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s64/Boff_album/IMG_0292.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s64/Boff_album/IMG_0291.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s64/Boff_album/IMG_0293.jpg

[stupid]

Are you suggesting that whoever is "spraying" has no knowledge of weather and wind conditions ?, and "spray" willy-nilly ?
...and accidentally keep the E. channel covered ?

But still begs the question....If they are "chemtrails", then why are they over the ocean, and not over land ?

I don't think your argument, "because they've blown over that way" is realistic, or is helping you explain "chemtrails".
It is true that the contrails in the sky DO blow past rather quickly because of upper wind conditions.....just look at any time-lapse video of a contrail.
But the images I showed, we saw many contrails ONLY over the ocean, and just a few over land. Go back and look.

In fact...here AGAIN yesterday....most trails are over open water....not over land...
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=Europe_2_01.2011072.terra.1km
There are a few over land too, but the large majority are off the coast of France.
BTW....from a meteorological standpoint, notice how the contrails are formed alongside a (cold/humid) cloud front, along with other high clouds......but then cease as they leave that area.

[lookfar]

This vid isn't related to UK chemtrails as it's US based, but thought I'd share on here as this must be going on all over the place & not just in the USA. Interesting that they're finally admitting to it after all this time though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp1aPT-hyso&feature=player_embedded#at=11

[knewt01]

Have been in Mexborough, UK for the past couple of weeks and they skies have mostly been clear and blue the whole time. Woke up this morning to find the sky criss-crossed in a patchwork with these bloody things. I watched for about an hour and you can actually see some of the trails turning into cloud cover - they slowly expand from a trail into very large white patches. It's quite interesting to watch.

Usually, I am quite close to Heathrow Airport so dont take much notice but it is really noticeable up here, simply because the skies have been so clear and we aren't close to an airport. I have literally not seen one plane in the sky for the whole time I have been here, except today. The sky above this mornings trails seems to be turning a milky white colour whilst you can still see tiny patches of clear blue through holes between the trails.

[ozpixie]

Nothing here since last week. Happily we have had the most glorious weather you can imagine.

[willys girl]

There was a milky white haze over east london this morning but it had cleared within hours.The sky has been so clear for days now and im sure it will be cloudless on friday.Im thinking of putting a bet on im so sure about it.:D

[knewt01]

There was a milky white haze over east london this morning but it had cleared within hours.The sky has been so clear for days now and im sure it will be cloudless on friday.Im thinking of putting a bet on im so sure about it.:D

Isn't there some sort of lizard festival happening in London this weekend? ;)

[kaiser]

We been getting beavy chemtrials here the last few days and tonight is fairly bad. A view from my upstairs window just now:

http://forum.davidicke.com/picture.php?albumid=749&pictureid=10967

Its been milky cloudy in south lincs all day today and this morning I could look at the sun through binoculars there was so much moisture in the air, pleased to report no sign of nibiru yet ;).

[beldazar]

We been getting beavy chemtrials here the last few days and tonight is fairly bad. A view from my upstairs window just now:

http://forum.davidicke.com/picture.php?albumid=749&pictureid=10967

Its been milky cloudy in south lincs all day today and this morning I could look at the sun through binoculars there was so much moisture in the air, pleased to report no sign of nibiru yet ;).

Ah, that's nothing kaiser. I looked out of the window around 9 this morning and there are layers upon layers of chemtrails, all piled on top of each other, all spread out :mad:
It's really pissing me off because this week I think we are due our summer at last :rolleyes:

[kaiser]

Ah, that's nothing kaiser. I looked out of the window around 9 this morning and there are layers upon layers of chemtrails, all piled on top of each other, all spread out :mad:
It's really pissing me off because this week I think we are due our summer at last :rolleyes:

Ahh its shite aint it, I been suffering all week with with hay fever symptoms even though the pollen season finished weeks ago and I got a lump under my arm pit so need to detox fast :mad:. Actully I took that with photo with my phone and it did not do the state of the sky justice, there were two grids in the entire sky, one ontop of the other as you describe! I took another of my car prior to that because its been parked up for a few days and it had a layer of fine white powder on it (not for the first time). Maybe I post it if you care to see.... :)

[beldazar]

Ahh its shite aint it, I been suffering all week with with hay fever symptoms even though the pollen season finished weeks ago and I got a lump under my arm pit so need to detox fast :mad:. Actully I took that with photo with my phone and it did not do the state of the sky justice, there were two grids in the entire sky, one ontop of the other as you describe! I took another of my car prior to that because its been parked up for a few days and it had a layer of fine white powder on it (not for the first time). Maybe I post it if you care to see.... :)

I has been unrelentless down here, the sun is trying to peek through but they are still adding more layers. How the hell people can deny this is happening is beyond me. We can go weeks with no plane or chemtrail in sight then we get days like these :rolleyes:

Yes you could post the car but when I mentioned the fine white powder someone said it was salt from blown-in sea air, it would be good to have it analysed to be sure ;)

[muzungu100]

Quite a nice day here, bit cloudy (it's called 'weather'), now and again a contrail but as I live on the approach to an airport that is to be expected. My chest is fine, my car uncovered by white powder and no armpit lumps. Think I may go for a walk later to get some fresh air.

It seems you are living in some sort of alternative reality.

Get that powder tested and post the results.

To give you some idea of why different areas see different densities of contrails I attach a link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/britainfromabove/stories/visualisations/planes.shtml

[muzungu100]

I has been unrelentless down here, the sun is trying to peek through but they are still adding more layers. How the hell people can deny this is happening is beyond me. We can go weeks with no plane or chemtrail in sight then we get days like these
You are hardly likely to be able to spot a plane at 30000 feet unless it is producing a contrail and conditions in the stratosphere may well not be right for contrail formation for days at a time.

It's all quite simple.

[beldazar]

You are hardly likely to be able to spot a plane at 30000 feet unless it is producing a contrail and conditions in the stratosphere may well not be right for contrail formation for days at a time.

It's all quite simple.

Oh really. :rolleyes:
The planes that produce chemtrails are lower, which is why they aren't contrails.

Thanks for the BBC link, hahahahaha :D you sure you have the right forum?

[muzungu100]

Oh really. :rolleyes:
The planes that produce chemtrails are lower, which is why they aren't contrails. ?
What altitude and how do you measure that altitude?

Thanks for the BBC link, hahahahaha :D you sure you have the right forum?
The link was short and easily understandable. It explained air corridors. Do you therefore think that air corridors don't exist because the BBC explain what they are?

[beldazar]

What altitude and how do you measure that altitude?


The link was short and easily understandable. It explained air corridors. Do you therefore think that air corridors don't exist because the BBC explain what they are?

ROFLMAO :D

Would this be the BBC responsible for this???

http://uruknet.info/?p=m81748&hd=&size=1&l=e

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/201132.html

Good luck mate, think what you want..or rather let someone else do your thinking for you as you obviously do. Never mind hey? :rolleyes:

[tzlr_17]

Oh really. :rolleyes:
The planes that produce chemtrails are lower, which is why they aren't contrails.

How are you measuring the altitude?

[beldazar]

How are you measuring the altitude?

With my super-duper, extra long, plasic-reinforced tape measure. :p

This thread has the title UK CHEMTRAILS and is a place for people that really do think chemtrails exist (like me) and for anyone in the UK to post on when they get attacks of chemtrailing.
There are probably hundreds of other chemtrail-debating threads to post on if you wish to debate them.
If I wanted to waste my time debating back and forth with people on whether this is going on under our very noses I would have picked another thread.
Thanks very much for your understanding.

[tzlr_17]

With my super-duper, extra long, plasic-reinforced tape measure. :p

How are you actually measuring the altitude?

[muzungu100]

With my super-duper, extra long, plasic-reinforced tape measure. :p

This thread has the title UK CHEMTRAILS and is a place for people that really do think chemtrails exist (like me) and for anyone in the UK to post on when they get attacks of chemtrailing.
There are probably hundreds of other chemtrail-debating threads to post on if you wish to debate them.
If I wanted to waste my time debating back and forth with people on whether this is going on under our very noses I would have picked another thread.
Thanks very much for your understanding.
So that would be a way of not debating anything with anyone or applying any critical thinking to what are obviously beliefs rather than observations backed up by evidence. I have to suspect from your answer that you haven't a clue as to their altitude. You started off debating then when faced with a question you don't like suddenly get all coy.

I would still like to know how you calculate the altitude of your "chemtrail" planes and whether you think air corridors exist, apparently you think if the BBC says they do they don't and vice versa.

[kaiser]

So that would be a way of not debating anything with anyone or applying any critical thinking to what are obviously beliefs rather than observations backed up by evidence. I have to suspect from your answer that you haven't a clue as to their altitude. You started off debating then when faced with a question you don't like suddenly get all coy.

I would still like to know how you calculate the altitude of your "chemtrail" planes and whether you think air corridors exist, apparently you think if the BBC says they do they don't and vice versa.



http://forum.davidicke.com/picture.php?albumid=1125&pictureid=10969

[beldazar]

So that would be a way of not debating anything with anyone or applying any critical thinking to what are obviously beliefs rather than observations backed up by evidence. I have to suspect from your answer that you haven't a clue as to their altitude. You started off debating then when faced with a question you don't like suddenly get all coy.

I would still like to know how you calculate the altitude of your "chemtrail" planes and whether you think air corridors exist, apparently you think if the BBC says they do they don't and vice versa.

http://forum.davidicke.com/picture.php?albumid=1125&pictureid=10969

With my super-duper, extra long, plasic-reinforced tape measure. :p

This thread has the title UK CHEMTRAILS and is a place for people that really do think chemtrails exist (like me) and for anyone in the UK to post on when they get attacks of chemtrailing.
There are probably hundreds of other chemtrail-debating threads to post on if you wish to debate them.
If I wanted to waste my time debating back and forth with people on whether this is going on under our very noses I would have picked another thread.
Thanks very much for your understanding.

In case you missed it the last time...
I have been on here years and have done all the debating that needs doing with others like you, quite frankly I have better things to do with my time and more relevant threadsto do this on.

[tzlr_17]

In case you missed it the last time...
I have been on here years and have done all the debating that needs doing with others like you, quite frankly I have better things to do with my time and more relevant threadsto do this on.

So you have absolutely no way of measuring the altitude, do you?

[muzungu100]

So you have absolutely no way of measuring the altitude, do you?
Certainly looks as though he doesn't. There he was, happily debating along until he made a careless statement that he couldn't support.

All of a sudden he doesn't do debating.

[openyoureyes]

Bournemouth British Constitution Group (http://bbcg.org.uk/)

Thursday 27th October – 7pm for 7.30pm at the Durley Dean Hotel, Bournemouth.

Patrick Lynch of the FreeTruth Show & Ann from Hastings Against Chemtrails will be giving a talk on chemtrails.

Patrick has been alerting the public about the aerial spraying from unmarked jets for many years now and will be giving his first public talk on the subject. This is, in his view, the biggest crime in history. Toxic heavy metals, bacteria, fungus have been sprayed around the world in full capacity since around 1996.

Having organised the Chemtrail Rally in July 2011 at Duxford Air Show, Cambridge and numerous radio broadcasts on chemtrails, this talk is yet another opportunity to get the information out to the public.

Bournemouth British Constitution Group
Downstairs @Durley Dean Hotel, West Cliff Road, Bournemouth, BH2 5HE

For more information please ring: 01202 762 532

[deckard75]

Glasgow has trails again today, left early this morning under cover of darkness. Hanging trails spreading out, some look like white centipedes. Weather isn't too bad today, not too windy or cold, just a fresh Autumn day. It's been so wet recently that I've not been able to see much.

Has anyone else noticed the weather reports over the last few years for the UK - the band of wind & rain that splits the North & South coming up diagonally left to right? It wasn't like that when I was a lad. For years now the north has had no summers just wet crap while the south has had sunshine all the way with no rain.

Sure, Scotland has always been wet & England has always been nicer but to this degree? No no no no. I used to enjoy sunny summers in June/July/August & snowy winters in December/January/February. Not anymore.

[tzlr_17]

For years now the north has had no summers just wet crap while the south has had sunshine all the way with no rain.

Sunshine all the way with no rain? Are you serious?

[air_bn]

Bournemouth British Constitution Group (http://bbcg.org.uk/)

Thursday 27th October – 7pm for 7.30pm at the Durley Dean Hotel, Bournemouth.

Patrick Lynch of the FreeTruth Show & Ann from Hastings Against Chemtrails will be giving a talk on chemtrails.

Patrick has been alerting the public about the aerial spraying from unmarked jets for many years now and will be giving his first public talk on the subject. This is, in his view, the biggest crime in history. Toxic heavy metals, bacteria, fungus have been sprayed around the world in full capacity since around 1996.

Having organised the Chemtrail Rally in July 2011 at Duxford Air Show, Cambridge and numerous radio broadcasts on chemtrails, this talk is yet another opportunity to get the information out to the public.

Bournemouth British Constitution Group
Downstairs @Durley Dean Hotel, West Cliff Road, Bournemouth, BH2 5HE

For more information please ring: 01202 762 532

When Brian Gerrish and Alan Watt mention chemtrails in their talks they put their whole agenda under the microscope, which is ok by me btw.Who's heard of Common purpose in real life?

Sunshine all the way with no rain? Are you serious?

LOL plenty of contrails in our perpetual blue skies eh;)

[ronleroy]

We have extreme chemtrails over Aylesbury. They spray us every day. Everyone can easly count hundreds chemtrails every day. For the last two weeks we had only past Tuesday without chemtrails.

In this country government kills its own people. Our politician are completly corrupted and doesn't have any right to represent people, they lye to us every day. Our elections is joke and complete falcification. Our prime minister
is a criminal who is involved in henocide of its own people. Our royal family is involved in hidden conspiracy of dumping deadly and toxic chemicals from the aircraft to UK population. Our bankers and business elite is financing this henocide operation.

All out elite, bankers, politicians are mostly members of illuminaty or other secret organistations controlled by Rothschilds< Rockfellers and other parasites who dream and wish now to remove us normal working people from this country. They not only dump chemicals from planes but also lie from corrupted mass media, the useless BBC. They poison water with deadly toxins called its fluoridation, promoting deadly vaccinations to kill people. They add toxins like aspartam in our food. They promote genetically modified food, they trying to start threatening food with radiation like it was already done in USA.

Actually why we participate in elections and vote for this parasites?

[stupid]

In this country government kills its own people. Our politician are completly corrupted and doesn't have any right to represent people, they lye to us every day. Our elections is joke and complete falcification. Our prime minister
is a criminal who is involved in henocide of its own people. Our royal family is involved in hidden conspiracy of dumping deadly and toxic chemicals from the aircraft to UK population. Our bankers and business elite is financing this henocide operation.

All out elite, bankers, politicians are mostly members of illuminaty or other secret organistations controlled by Rothschilds< Rockfellers and other parasites ......


Sounds like you are mad at the gov't overall.
So anything they actually do, you don't believe.....and anything they are suggested in secretly doing, you will believe.
Is there anything your gov't does, that you can be thankful for ?
...anything ?

[ronleroy]

Sounds like you are mad at the gov't overall.
So anything they actually do, you don't believe.....and anything they are suggested in secretly doing, you will believe.
Is there anything your gov't does, that you can be thankful for ?
...anything ?

Ok I do say many thanks to our government for dumping toxic aerosol at my house. I love it so much that they do not forget about me and spray my house with garden every day. Many thanks for protecting us for global warming, many thanks for vaccinations and protecting us from swine flue.
You know world is overpopelated and they really care about us by spraying toxins.

[techman]

I've just watched an excellent talk by Andrew Johnson who gives a very good analysis of chemtrails and how they're not ordinary contrails; - a brilliant talk. Noone knows exactly the real reasons for them, and people can bring very good reasons, but they're never proven. They may be used for many reasons, i.e for weather modication; the idea of it being used as a toxic weapon to make people ill which is not a far fetched theory imo. However, if they're used for depopulation, then why aren't we finding evidence of people becoming mysteriously ill? Or is it a slow process that is being created so that noone notices?

I've seen my share of chemtrails and they do get your attention and make you wonder what they are. I've even observed the 'rainbow' effect in clouds near to where chemtrails have been seen, and trust me, something tells me they're not normal. Convincing people that these aren't normal is difficult as always. For most the idea is too far fetched.

While in the UK people are being bled dry with tax here and tax there, being forced to have ridiculous laws inposed on every inch of their lives, being forced to accept more rubbish bins, which will quickly overcrowed the neighbourhood, the ever increasing CCTV in almost every public place (even in parks i've noticed), more places where you aren't allowed to smoke, even in the open fresh air. While all this crap is happening, we aren't paying attention to the sky and seeing the chemtrails around us; in some cases 'miraculously' changing a nice blue day to an overcast one in a matter of minutes. People have to think outside their little boxes, to stop watching Eastenders or X Factor, stop watching overpaid footballers kicking a ball round a field, and instead, look at what's happening around them.

[tzlr_17]

I've even observed the 'rainbow' effect in clouds near to where chemtrails have been seen, and trust me, something tells me they're not normal.

Trust isn't really good enough - what's your reasoning?

[muzungu100]

I've even observed the 'rainbow' effect in clouds near to where chemtrails have been seen, and trust me, something tells me they're not normal.

If you could let us know what "something" is we might be able to help you out.

[john connor]

Sounds like you are mad at the gov't overall.
So anything they actually do, you don't believe.....and anything they are suggested in secretly doing, you will believe.
Is there anything your gov't does, that you can be thankful for ?
...anything ?

In a word

NO

[armoured_amazon]

In a word

NO

+1

Fuck 'em.

[muzungu100]

In a word

NO
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what sort of government you would like, how we will get it and what you are doing to get us there?

Or do you think that ranting on an obscure corner of the internet makes you a revolutionary of some sort? It's certainly easier than actually doing something.

[knowthyself1]

Has anyone spotted the aircraft they use to spread these trails?

Just out of curiosity... I have yet to see a chemtrail being spread..

[octopus]

I've just watched an excellent talk by Andrew Johnson who gives a very good analysis of chemtrails and how they're not ordinary contrails; - a brilliant talk.

Could you post the link to the talk, please?

[deckard75]

Anyone see the BBC prog Will It Snow? on Sunday evening?

They said UV rays are increasing in power across the globe, global warming - but not in Europe!

NATO chemtrailing reflecting UV rays away from us??????

Anyone else got more on this?

[stupid]

Originally Posted by stupid

Sounds like you are mad at the gov't overall.
So anything they actually do, you don't believe.....and anything they are suggested in secretly doing, you will believe.
Is there anything your gov't does, that you can be thankful for ?
...anything ?
In a word

NO

So none of these apply to you ? Could you do without all these ?...
.....

A to Z directory of Central Gov't (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Dl1/Directories/A-ZOfCentralGovernment/index.htm)

[digitalgain]

I noticed a plane spraying on Thursday over Norwich UK.
The plane took off from Norwich Airport and flew due East spraying it's poison, it then doubled back and headed due west back to the airport before turning again and heading east.
It left 3 perfectly parallel trails in the sky which over about an hour turned into a huge blanket of cloud which was almost a perfect rectangle.
If only i had my camcorder with me :(

[beldazar]

I noticed a plane spraying on Thursday over Norwich UK.
The plane took off from Norwich Airport and flew due East spraying it's poison, it then doubled back and headed due west back to the airport before turning again and heading east.
It left 3 perfectly parallel trails in the sky which over about an hour turned into a huge blanket of cloud which was almost a perfect rectangle.
If only i had my camcorder with me :(

Well the pilot probably got a fly in his eye or something and couldn't see where he was going... ;)

[oiram]

Well how much more prove does any retard needs to wake up!

If they make this public in stick it right into the faces of the public means this shit is going on for dog ages like most of us suspected for years!!!!!

Just one hour ago on Metro TV in Indonesia they telling the people how they practise Weather control techniques with aircraft's having the chemicals in front of them on the table!

Problem with Indonesians is they do not comprehend that this spraying of chemicals over there heads could have effects to the general health not knowing what these F@cking corrupt Government nuts really spraying into the atmosphere.

Well its super easy to mislead people without a logical brain like in Indonesia. These people need serious help to truly understand what there Governments are doing on top of there heads!!!

Metro TV is Indonesia's first 24-hour news channel based in West Jakarta. The station was established on 25 November 2000 and now has over 53 transmission sites all over the country. It is owned by Surya Paloh who also owns the Media Indonesia daily. These two, along with other newspapers distributed in different parts of Indonesia, are part of the Media Group, also owned by Paloh.

It is the only TV station to offer Mandarin news and no sinetron (soap opera) programs in Indonesia, although lately the station has also begun to broadcast entertainment programs such as a talk show called "e-Lifestyle", and the satirical news and current affairs show called "Republik Mimpi" (The Dream Republic).

Metro TV also offers one of its top programs called Indonesia Now. The program, which is broadcast worldwide, primarily gives information about Indonesia to the world.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/MetroTV (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/MetroTV)


All you deniers go & get .....xxxx !!
So where are the big mouth hypocrite deniers now kissing there masters buts all day long??
Talking for it & being right out deniers makes you deniers guilty by association & puts you in the same boat as your Masters! .... IMO
Weather control is no myth: Scientists engineer thunderstorms over Abu Dhabi

(NaturalNews) Discussions of weather control technology used to be limited to the hushed gossip of conspiracy theorists, but it turns out the conspiracy theorists were right (again). Today in Abu Dhabi, scientists have successfully manipulated entire weather systems, causing up to fifty downpours of rain across the Al Ain region the desert nation over the last year.

It's all being accomplished by a team of scientists working for Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the president of United Arab Emirates. They have erected entire fields of giant ionizers to generate waves of negative ions which rise into the lower atmosphere and attract dust particles. The dust particles, in turn, attract condensation from the ambient air, and when enough condensation is achieved, the clouds can't hold the water anymore and a downpour of rain is unleashed. The whole system was devices by a Swiss company named Metro Systems International.

This last year saw huge rainstorms over Abu Dhabi during July and August -- months that are normally bone dry in the desert. The success of the project astonished even the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, whose former director reportedly said, "Maybe this is a most important point for mankind."
http://www.naturalnews.com/030998_weather_control_Abu_Dhabi.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/030998_weather_control_Abu_Dhabi.html)

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2011/08/when_god_paints_9.jpg
10 Villains Who Used Bad Weather as a Weapon

Every supervillain needs an ultimate weapon — but what could be scarier than a natural disaster or a horrible weather emergency? You don't need a death ray if you can control the elements.

Some of the most formidable villains of comics, television and movies have harnessed the power of horrendous weather to bring people to their knees. Here's our list of the scariest weather-control villains of all time.
http://io9.com/5815423/10-villains-who-used-bad-weather-as-a-weapon (http://io9.com/5815423/10-villains-who-used-bad-weather-as-a-weapon)
AMERICA BRACES FOR NEW SNOWSTORMS!
New Snowstorm over America.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5Mty79uDgy4/TU06AL5rr_I/AAAAAAAADsI/S1-7wxGc7_E/s200/usasnowstorm.jpeg
As the deadly two-day blizzard finally passes, huge swathes of America must now brace for more snow and ice over the next three days as a storm brewing in the South and Texas is projected to move north by Saturday, dumping even more snow on top of already record-setting accumulation totals. Snow is expected to fall over parts of Texas with rain over Louisiana, which will turn to snow over the mid-Atlantic and Northeast. A separate snowstorm will blow over much of the West, just as Chicago is recovering from its most damaging snowstorm in decades. This week's storm was so catastrophic that buildings were crushed under the weight of the ice and snow.

Weather Modification Inc. Logo.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5Mty79uDgy4/TU1CWpq91iI/AAAAAAAADsM/KB-Tj2fFMUM/s1600/weathermod.jpg
Finally, in-order to illustrate that we are really dealing with here, is a Luciferian dialectic of Thesis, Anti-Thesis and Synthesis - Order out of Chaos, I ask that you visit a website called Weather Modification. According to the website, the objectives of the North Dakota company Weather Modification Inc., is to provide meteorological services, atmospheric assessment and evaluation, cloud seeding, geological engineering, weather radar systems, environmental monitoring and aircraft services.
The proven success of Weather Modification, Inc., in atmospheric and weather operations is evident by our lengthy and impressive client listing speaks for itself. Our reputation for successful cloud seeding and meteorological services leads our veteran pilots, experienced meteorologists and radar engineers around the world. Our valued clients include private and public insurance companies, water resource management organizations, as well as federal and state government research organizations.
http://thealienproject.blogspot.com/2011/02/earth-cemetery-planet-coming-of-comet.html (http://thealienproject.blogspot.com/2011/02/earth-cemetery-planet-coming-of-comet.html)

[deckard75]

If they make this public in stick it right into the faces of the public means this shit is going on for dog ages like most of us suspected for years!!!!!


Yup!

Swiss company Metro Systems International claims to have device which creates man-made rain
Jan 03, 2011

A Swiss company claims to have achieved what con men the world over have boasted to be able to do for hundreds of years: make it rain.

Metro Systems International, the company reportedly in charge of the project, boasted in a video presentation it created more than 50 rainstorms in the deserts outside of Abu Dhabi, according to The Sunday Times.

"We are currently operating our innovative rainfall enhancement technology, Weathertec, in the region of Al Ain in Abu Dhabid," Helmut Fluhrer, the founder of MSI, states in the video, the British newspaper reported. "We started in June 2010 and have achieved a number of rainfalls."

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-01-03/news/27086294_1_device-man-made-rain-claims

Here's Metro Systems HQ...
http://www.mgi.de/mgide/flash/flasharchiv3_1/Nachtansicht/alternativ_l2.gif

[deckard75]

Thanks Oiram, I checked their site...

Enlist our team of cloud seeding experts.
Whether you are looking for a small operation or a full program, Weather Modification, Inc. can ensure your cloud seeding project runs smoothly. From Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) approved aircraft installations, configured for aerial cloud seeding and cloud physics, the microscale study of processes that govern all cloud and precipitation processes.

.. to ground-based seeding equipment and training, Weather Modification, Inc., has the equipment, experience and knowledge you need.

http://www.weathermodification.com/cloud-seeding.php

Well folks, if you were worried that your latest geoengineering program wasn't going to get off the ground because 'they don't modify the weather' then chill, this sizeable & very experienced comapany (1961) can help!!

[beldazar]

Excellent post oiram. You tell 'em!! :cool:

[beldazar]

Chemtrail plane doing loops above my house this morning.

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/7494/fireworks604.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/804/fireworks604.jpg/)

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3518/fireworks605.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/444/fireworks605.jpg/)

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/800/fireworks606.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/fireworks606.jpg/)

[digitalgain]

A disturbing quadruple ring of chemtrails over Norwich UK - 16th Jan - appeared at 10am (this pic taken at 11am)
Because water vapour takes over an hour to disperse lol

http://img243.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=10014_HDV_0339.MP4_snapshot_00.04_20 12.01.16_11.11.53_122_474lo.jpg

[thecatsmeow]

They're spreading chemtrails all over the moors :(
I've never seen so many planes :(

[badtv]

they are really going for it today over north london.

[thecatsmeow]

they are really going for it today over north london.

How the Hell are we going to stop this? :mad:

[elfin]

they are really going for it today over north london.

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed it today (I'm in Hertfordshire). Blatant grid patterns being produced for most of the day, to the point that a friend phoned to ask if I'd noticed the 'strange plane activity'. And this is someone I have never heard mention chemtrails or any other 'conspiracy theory'. And it was the usual story; beautiful, clear blue sky completely criss-crossed within half-hour of them starting. This is the worst I've seen it.

[blahblah]

OK folks..this trailing shit is getting out of hand...near enough every day for the last 2 years this has been going on in Manchester...

I suggest we all start emailing our local newspapers first...find a journalists email address from their website and drop an email requesting them to do their job properly and start investigating this evil.

Ask them to lookup...am gonna email Manchester Evening News..see what comes back...

[elfin]

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee369/Elfin777/DSCF3105.jpg http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee369/Elfin777/DSCF3106.jpg

[techman]

I doubt anyone will listen to anyone speaking about chemtrails, it's not because people are ignorant it's just that they don't wanna get involved in something that can't be proved and can't be challenged or brought to attention. Where do you start?, 50% or more people (usually normal, everyday people) will always say they are normal air trails produced over densely populated areas due to increase in airline traffic; I went on holiday recently (in the canaries) and I didn't see any chemtrails apart from normal air traffic coming in the land at the airport. You'll always get one person saying "i never see anything like that in my area, town or city". And it's true, sometimes they're there, sometimes they're not. People need a motive or reason and not be thrown a bunch of explanations and reasons like weather modification at them, it's not going to make people believe you. I saw what I thought were chemtrails over Liverpool a few days ago, not far from the woman's hospital. They do catch your eye, but they didn't last long in the sky and it was a fair clear blue day. I seem to see chemtrails more when it's already a cloudy day.

[living99]

/HTML]they are really going for it today over north london.


Yes indeed there were. Got a pic through bedroom window around 12.30pm ..

I also thought 'how long more '..... Don't yet have priviliges to upload the photo but v similar to the blue skies above.

[beldazar]

Chemtrail plane doing loops above my house this morning.

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/7494/fireworks604.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/804/fireworks604.jpg/)

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3518/fireworks605.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/444/fireworks605.jpg/)

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/800/fireworks606.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/fireworks606.jpg/)

I didn't finish posting the other pictures the other day but I wanted to say that this plane was looping the sky. The pictures don't give you the full impression as I couldn't take the whole sky but the effect was rather like someone stood on the ground with a remote control box.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3109/fireworks607.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/fireworks607.jpg/)



http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3599/fireworks608.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/835/fireworks608.jpg/)



http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4117/fireworks609.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/fireworks609.jpg/)

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7214/fireworks610.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/fireworks610.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[beldazar]

Here are some I took yesterday...

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/3014/fireworks611.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/fireworks611.jpg/)

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/8241/fireworks612.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/814/fireworks612.jpg/)

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5897/fireworks613.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/515/fireworks613.jpg/)

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5255/fireworks615.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/fireworks615.jpg/)





Today however, the planes tried their best to leave chemtrails but there was not a cloud in the sky so they didn't have anything to stick to.
The sun put paid to any lone chemtrail that tried to stick. :cool:

[medusa58]

Really bad over Sheffield today...seemed to be a lot of activity. Also saw planes arcing in the sky, which I thought was odd. Saw a couple of planes at high altitudes leaving normal contrails, and low planes leaving nothing. But what should have been a clear blue sky was turned milky white. What the hell is going on?

[thecatsmeow]

On the map (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php) over Liverpool it shows HAZMAT (hazardous materials). Apparently 300 people have been evacuated! :eek:

Hazardous materials are listed on Wiki as Dangerous goods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and there are some very nasty sounding chemicals in there. :mad:

Edit: Oh..it was a gas leak! :D

[irrepressible]

What do you's think of these?

Last week from my house.

http://forum.davidicke.com/album.php?albumid=1168

[beldazar]

What do you's think of these?

Last week from my house.

http://forum.davidicke.com/album.php?albumid=1168

Whoah you got bombarded too!

Your street is like my street.

[thecatsmeow]

What do you's think of these?

Last week from my house.

http://forum.davidicke.com/album.php?albumid=1168

That's pretty much how it looked from my bedroom window! I don't like being treated like vermin! :mad:

[irrepressible]

Whoah you got bombarded too!

Your street is like my street.

That's pretty much how it looked from my bedroom window! I don't like being treated like vermin! :mad:

Yeah I looked out of the kitchen window and thought WTF!!?? :eek:
I've not seen them like that before.
Funny thing is, the sky usually turns milky white a few hours later in my experience, this time it was clear skies all day :confused:

[thecatsmeow]

Yeah I looked out of the kitchen window and thought WTF!!?? :eek:
I've not seen them like that before.
Funny thing is, the sky usually turns milky white a few hours later in my experience, this time it was clear skies all day :confused:

I can see for a good way before the hills meet the horizon and, like you say, it was a thick white layer of smog and later the sky glowed with a sickly orange/red colour. It made me think of that stuff the Americans used on those poor people in (was it Vietnam or Cambodia?) Agent Orange it was called and a real concoction of deadly chemicals it was too...poor buggers! :(

[beldazar]

Yeah I looked out of the kitchen window and thought WTF!!?? :eek:
I've not seen them like that before.
Funny thing is, the sky usually turns milky white a few hours later in my experience, this time it was clear skies all day :confused:

Sometimes the sun can clear the sky. Or maye even chembusters or organite have helped to clear them.

A year or two age during the summer we were absolutely steamrollered with them and I felt furious. Not long after clear blue skies. I was furious for nothing. (Wouldn't be the first time though :o)

[white zombie]

What do you's think of these?

Last week from my house.

http://forum.davidicke.com/album.php?albumid=1168

Thats a lot of sky gunk :eek:

Got a few presents myself. You can see the chem haze on the right followed by the soon to be haze centre.

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/machetecortez/more%20stuff/WZombieChemtrails4.jpg

[rbl_4nik8r]

So with all this stiff above your heads is anyone getting sick or dying from it ?

Have anyone had there blood tested to see if they have things in it that should not be there ?

Has anyone tested the ground for chemicals ?



4nE

[white zombie]

So with all this stiff above your heads is anyone getting sick or dying from it ?

Have anyone had there blood tested to see if they have things in it that should not be there ?

Has anyone tested the ground for chemicals ?

4nE

All I know is it creates a haze that blocks out blue sky. I've watched it disperse and do its thing. Everything else would only be speculation on my part due to a lack of a lab.

[irrepressible]

All I know is it creates a haze that blocks out blue sky. I've watched it disperse and do its thing. Everything else would only be speculation on my part due to a lack of a lab.

I call it the roof. It's dense and uniform, it's like being indoors. It's horrible.

[thecatsmeow]

So with all this stiff above your heads is anyone getting sick or dying from it ?

Have anyone had there blood tested to see if they have things in it that should not be there ?

Has anyone tested the ground for chemicals ?



4nE

yes, and it won't show up in blood tests, apparently, I can't remember why (The science of it all bores me to tears now because it's just so bl**dy obvious to me that we are no more than vermin to TPTB). I have had a shortage of vit.D and the remedy is SUNSHINE!!! :mad: GRRRRRRR!!

[rbl_4nik8r]

yes, and it won't show up in blood tests, apparently, I can't remember why (The science of it all bores me to tears now because it's just so bl**dy obvious to me that we are no more than vermin to TPTB). I have had a shortage of vit.D and the remedy is SUNSHINE!!! :mad: GRRRRRRR!!

No the remedy is to move to a place you can get sun, I know that's never easy but Arizona is full of sun except for today we got a major dust storm :eek:



4nE

[thecatsmeow]

No the remedy is to move to a place you can get sun, I know that's never easy but Arizona is full of sun except for today we got a major dust storm :eek:



4nE

I'm in the UK and no passport! Why should I have to move for these scumbags anyway! They should stop spraying their poison on us!!!

They've been doing it all over the country...Calling all Brit's please join the chemtrails campaign

EDIT: Illuminatimanchester (http://illuminati-manchester.blogspot.com/2010/06/chemtrail-piss-taking.html)

EDIT: Chemtrails Manchester (http://chemtrailsmanchesteruk.blogspot.com/)

[stupid]

yes, and it won't show up in blood tests, apparently, I can't remember why (The science of it all bores me to tears now because it's just so bl**dy obvious to me that we are no more than vermin to TPTB). I have had a shortage of vit.D and the remedy is SUNSHINE!!! :mad: GRRRRRRR!!
So it won't show up in blood tests, huh ?
....but still, you know it's a shortage of vita-D because of "you don't know why".
...and If you "don't know why", then how can you be sure of a cause ?
The above sentence says it all.

[thecatsmeow]

So it won't show up in blood tests, huh ?
....but still, you know it's a shortage of vita-D because of "you don't know why".
...and If you "don't know why", then how can you be sure of a cause ?
The above sentence says it all.

I meant the only test that came back with a result was a lack of vitamin D but, actually, I've also had thyroid problems and I've suffered with depression, tremors in my arms, dizziness, disorientation and I almost keeled over last night! I'm assuming these chemicals and heavy metals interfere with brain function somehow as do the electro-magnetic waves etc.
Others who live in the same area as myself have had some very strange and persistent symptoms many of them the same as my own and another that I don't suffer with, fortunately, is tingling in the arms and legs.

[rbl_4nik8r]

I'm in the UK and no passport! Why should I have to move for these scumbags anyway! They should stop spraying their poison on us!!!

They've been doing it all over the country...Calling all Brit's please join the chemtrails campaign (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuJrraeDqko)

EDIT: Illuminatimanchester (http://illuminati-manchester.blogspot.com/2010/06/chemtrail-piss-taking.html)

EDIT: Chemtrails Manchester (http://chemtrailsmanchesteruk.blogspot.com/)

Well moving may help in the long run I am not sure, but I look at Seattle Washington, it is very cloudy most days and it rain much more thru out the year. Where I live in the desert we may get in a year what they get in a few weeks. We get dust storms like yesterday and I hate them but I know for a fact that's something Seattle never has to worry about, but I could never live there because I like sun. Its the middle of winter here and by 10am on most mornings you can feel the heat and warmth from the sun. It may get below 30°F at night but by mid day we can be in the 50's or 60's and it feels good.

I hardly ever have to deal with overcast days that are dreary and you just want to stay in bed. Tho we can get the sand/dust storms that block out the sky, the funny thing is when my wife and I got home last night after dealing with a dust storm in the day, and a blizzard/whiteout coming over the mountain, it was snowing above 6,000 feet and by 8,000 feet you could not see 500 feet in front of you. Anyways we get home and the sky was so beautiful we had so many stars and not a cloud or chemtrail in the sky, and we stood there for a good 15 mins holding each other an looking around, it was a very romantic end to the day.



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[thecatsmeow]

Well moving may help in the long run I am not sure, but I look at Seattle Washington, it is very cloudy most days and it rain much more thru out the year. Where I live in the desert we may get in a year what they get in a few weeks. We get dust storms like yesterday and I hate them but I know for a fact that's something Seattle never has to worry about, but I could never live there because I like sun. Its the middle of winter here and by 10am on most mornings you can feel the heat and warmth from the sun. It may get below 30°F at night but by mid day we can be in the 50's or 60's and it feels good.

I hardly ever have to deal with overcast days that are dreary and you just want to stay in bed. Tho we can get the sand/dust storms that block out the sky, the funny thing is when my wife and I got home last night after dealing with a dust storm in the day, and a blizzard/whiteout coming over the mountain, it was snowing above 6,000 feet and by 8,000 feet you could not see 500 feet in front of you. Anyways we get home and the sky was so beautiful we had so many stars and not a cloud or chemtrail in the sky, and we stood there for a good 15 mins holding each other an looking around, it was a very romantic end to the day.



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How very beautiful that sounds. I also love where I live in The Pennines (Wuthering Heights countryside). I feel at home on the moors it feels like living next to the sky and I have no desire to leave them so I'll defend them if I have to.

[john connor]

I don't post much on this forum on this subject anymore, but will share a few pics from last week's onslaught and also a few comments.

http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/jconnor1966/P1070891.jpg

http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/jconnor1966/P1070883.jpg

http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/jconnor1966/P1070896.jpg

http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/jconnor1966/P1070882.jpg

Now rbl_4nik8r , you ask a few question's and talk about Arizona, you live in Tuba City?
Tuba City (Navajo: Tó Naneesdizí) is a census-designated place (CDP) in Coconino County, Arizona, United States. It is the second-largest community in Coconino County. The population was 8,611 at the 2010 census

Possibly it's NOT populated enough to bother with, just a thought, you say move somewhere 'sunny', where do you suggest? Sunny California??

http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/jconnor1966/Alameda11-32010-a.jpg

Wait a minute, done that, does that look 'sunny' to you?

What about the Med? went for a last minute holiday in October, wanted to see it one last time, see one more Ibiza sunset

http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/jconnor1966/P1060415.jpg

This is what it should have looked like, then again can't complain too much we 'only' got sprayed 2 out of 7 days

http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/jconnor1966/P1060454.jpg

finally a short video I took in my back garden for anyone deluded enough to still think that they are 'planes' spraying

Dronenearmiss.mp4 video by jconnor1966 - Photobucket@@AMEPARAM@@file=http%3A%2F%2Fvid1053.p hotobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs477%2Fjconnor1966%2FDro nenearmiss.mp4@@AMEPARAM@@file=http%3A%2F%2Fvid105 3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs477%2Fjconnor1966%2F Dronenearmiss.mp4

Take a blood test, hmmm how many should I have? I have joint problems and have been tested for reumatism NEGATIVE, arthritis NEGATIVE Vit D deficiency NEGATIVE, they will not test for metal poisoning or to see if my DNA has been compromised, I KNOW what is wrong with me, I have Morgellons, confirmed by a biologist who also has it, tell a Dr you have Morgellons and see what happens. This isnt about 'poisoning as such, if it were do you not think think they would just fly over ONCE and be done with it, or put it in the water, we are breathing in nano particles, it's called Transhumanism formerly known as Eugenics

[thecatsmeow]

Thank you, your photo's and comment's are appreciated. :)

Edit: has anyone tried chembuster's? If so how effective/ineffective are they?

[thecatsmeow]

They're spraying the moors again!!! :mad:

[thecatsmeow]

Chemtrails And Depopulation - An Insider Speaks Out

http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000003011/images/chem_dees.jpg

So you haven't yet figured out the airborne conditioning-agent release program that is being operated by the government. I'll give you some hints, but first I'll give you a little information about myself. I'm a retired government scientist with an advanced degree in one of the health-related disciplines. I do not use my real name for fear of retaliation, either against me, or against members of my family. I always try to route my e-mail communications so that they appear to come from another source, usually from one somewhere within the government. Sometimes I use the internet resources of the public library - whatever it takes to hide my true identity and confuse those who don't want the sort of information I possess to fall into the public's hands.

I have a small circle of friends who are, or were, in key positions within our military and several government agencies. These are not the very top level personnel, but mid to upper mid-level people, scientists and analysts, who are in positions where they can see the day-to-day activities of what's going on, who are charged with implementing the details, but who are never quite privy to the schemes behind the work they do. Each of my contacts has been able to supply me with a portion of the puzzle, but separately, none of them understands the whole story. I'll tell you what I've pieced together so far. But I have to admit that this information frightens me because there is no place I can go with it. What am I supposed to do - write my congressman? I believe that would be like signing my own death warrant.

This whole chemtrail issue is related to the plan for decreasing the world population to around 450-500 million -- and starting with the US first. Why? The people of the US are the only ones with even the remotest chance of stopping this. That is, if they knew about it. That's why the US has to be the first to go. You have to understand that the world's elite covet the US for its geographic diversity - and they would love to return this country to its condition as it existed prior to Columbus setting foot here, but without the Native Americans this time of course.

You may have already heard how several national parks have been designated as world biospheres - that's the plan for all of North America, a giant nature park and playground that will be devoid of annoying human beings (that would be us). And the people actually involved in doing the spraying, as well as those who will take part in the rest of the plans, are being duped into believing they will be spared, that is, permitted to live and remain on this continent as administrators and caretakers of this vast nature preserve. I understand that about 150 to 200 thousand people are projected as necessary for maintenance purposes. But it's likely these people will not be Americans. Those in charge wouldn't want to risk the possibility of some sort of revolt, so the workers will probably be brought in from Europe and Asia.

There are rumors floating about the internet that the chemtrails are part of some sort of secret program the government is doing to protect the US from future biological attacks. Nothing could be further from the truth. The plan is to sensitize, or condition, the US population to being wiped out by influenza A. Over the past few years, people have been encouraged to get flu shots to protect them against the generally non-lethal strains that circulate through the population during flu season.
http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000003011/images/fluviruslab.jpg (http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000003011/images/fluviruslab.jpg)

Each year the US government has guessed which strains were most likely to spread. They seem to always guess right - don't they? This flu season, the government protected people with a trivalent vaccine that included the A/Beijing/262/95-like (H1N1) and the A/Sydney/5/97-like (H3N2). It also contained the B/Beijing/184/93-like hemagglutinin antigens. For those not familiar with virology, the H and N refer to proteins on the outside of the virus, the hemagglutinin and neuraminidase, which are responsible for the virus attaching to, and then invading, a host cell. The public has been quite pleased with the success of the vaccines offered so far. But that will change in the future.

Researchers at the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (or USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick in Frederick MD have reconstructed and modified the H1N1 Spanish Flu virus, making it far more deadly than it ever was back when it was responsible for the 1918-1919 flu pandemic that killed over 20 million worldwide and over 500,000 here in the US. Consider that it could have killed many more, but back then, people couldn't hop on a jet and travel from New York to L.A. in five hours. Now, our ability to travel will increase the spread and will be our downfall.

The flu vaccines contain killed virus and protect the body well against challenge by that particular strain, but work poorly against other strains not included in the inoculation. At some point, the vaccine stockpile will include the more lethal modification of the 1918 H1N1 in its live form. Most people receiving this vaccine will simply be renewing their annual flu shot, and the vaccine will still include the inactivated version of the more benign form of H1N1 (as was included in this year's vaccine). The presence of the milder strain in the inoculum will slow down the progression of the more lethal H1N1 form, so people will become sick more slowly - but they will still eventually die. It will just take a few weeks longer.

In the meantime, they will be carriers for the lethal form of the virus, passing it on to everyone with whom they make contact. And as people hear that others are dropping dead from the flu, they will flock to get their own vaccination. And the entire population will be more receptive to infection because their lungs will have been pre-conditioned to guarantee it.

If you will remember back to 1968 and '69, the Hong Kong flu, which was influenza A type H3N2, killed over 30,000 people in the U.S. alone. That was a fortuitous learning event for some because it taught them that the flu could still conceivably be used to wipe out a population. But at the same time, it pointed out the need to precondition the populace so that those who might normally be resistant could be rendered susceptible. Hence the development of the vaccine program and the aerial spraying procedures to condition the population. The purpose of the chemicals in the chemtrails is to help the viral envelope fuse with lung cells, permitting easier penetration and infection.

But what about those few individuals who don't succumb to the flu? Probability alone demands that there will be some who survive - pockets of the population that are either not reached or somehow (and this is less likely) are resistant to the lethal H1N1 strain. At this point you must also remember that our military personnel have been immunized against a variety of pathogens, including the anthrax bacillus.

For those geographically isolated areas where the flu doesn't do its job, it's a fairly simple matter to lay down anthrax spores and then send in what's left of the military to take care of anyone still breathing. The anthrax spraying will probably come under the guise of a flu protection program to save those still alive after the epidemic. And the military, having been exposed to civilians with the flu, will eagerly await their own flu shots. I should emphasize that this is a last resort scenario. Those orchestrating the plan will not want to use anthrax until all other possibilities are exhausted - this because of the long-term viability of anthrax spores. To scatter them over the countryside would mean the area would be dangerous for use by humans, at least those not vaccinated against the bacteria.

And think about this for a moment. Why do you suppose agencies like Fish and Wildlife are so eager to reintroduce wolves and other species into areas of the country which haven't seen these animals for generations. It's all part of the plan to restore this land to what the elite envision as its early paradise-like state, with wild animals freely roaming the uninhabited plains and forests. Granted, it will take some time to clean up the place and to maybe destroy a lot of small towns that might otherwise be considered a blight on the landscape. But for the global elite it will be a small price for us to pay for their enjoyment. Source (http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/themagazine/vol10/chem/chemtrailinsider.shtml)

[imbreeze]

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1060639163#post1060639163

[stupid]

.....

And think about this for a moment. Why do you suppose agencies like Fish and Wildlife are so eager to reintroduce wolves and other species into areas of the country which haven't seen these animals for generations.
It's about diversity.
It's about preserving the wildhood, and an eco-system balance.....that was nearly wiped clean by totalitarian western livestock and farmland expansion.
I'm kinda shocked at how you could think otherwise, to interpret it's a PTB ploy. That's quite a stretch, thinking like that....and makes very little sense.

It's all part of the plan to restore this land to what the elite envision as its early paradise-like state, with wild animals freely roaming the uninhabited plains and forests. Granted, it will take some time to clean up the place and to maybe destroy a lot of small towns that might otherwise be considered a blight on the landscape. But for the global elite it will be a small price for us to pay for their enjoyment. Source (http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/themagazine/vol10/chem/chemtrailinsider.shtml)[/B]

What enjoyment ? If you think the PTB want to kill and hunt for enjoyment at the expense of the cattle/meat/farmland lobby ???...think again.
Your analogy does not compute.....the elite stay elite by ringing-in profits from exactly that....the cattle/meat/farmland lobby.
Why would they want to destroy a major source of their income?
That's just silly thinking.

[thecatsmeow]

It's about diversity.
It's about preserving the wildhood, and an eco-system balance.....that was nearly wiped clean by totalitarian western livestock and farmland expansion.
I'm kinda shocked at how you could think otherwise, to interpret it's a PTB ploy. That's quite a stretch, thinking like that....and makes very little sense.



What enjoyment ? If you think the PTB want to kill and hunt for enjoyment at the expense of the cattle/meat/farmland lobby ???...think again.
Your analogy does not compute.....the elite stay elite by ringing-in profits from exactly that....the cattle/meat/farmland lobby.
Why would they want to destroy a major source of their income?
That's just silly thinking.

You're picking holes out of somebody else's words. I only posted an article, I don't know much about the science of it all. What I do know is that I've become progressively more sick as the years have passed and I don't smoke, drink alcohol, do drugs or eat meat. What could it be that gives me gastritis with kidney pain, symptoms of stroke and palpitations and tremors? It's not my life-style that's for sure! If I'm being sprayed with toxic substances then it would have an effect on me wouldn't it?
Anyhow, I came to the forum to find answers, not to have arguments. I'd like ideas and creative suggestions as to how this can be effectively researched and combatted in a legal way.

[rbl_4nik8r]

You're picking holes out of somebody else's words. I only posted an article, I don't know much about the science of it all. What I do know is that I've become progressively more sick as the years have passed and I don't smoke, drink alcohol, do drugs or eat meat. What could it be that gives me gastritis with kidney pain, symptoms of stroke and palpitations and tremors? It's not my life-style that's for sure! If I'm being sprayed with toxic substances then it would have an effect on me wouldn't it?
Anyhow, I came to the forum to find answers, not to have arguments. I'd like ideas and creative suggestions as to how this can be effectively researched and combatted in a legal way.

Not to pick on you BUT maybe you should rethink your diet and eat meat, for awhile and see if that works. The other thing have you gone to a doctor to find out what's wrong with you? You could have something majorly wrong with you or maybe something simple.


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[tzlr_17]

yes, and it won't show up in blood tests, apparently, I can't remember why

Sorry what? You think you're being poisioned by heavy metals getting into your blood stream, but they don't show up in blood tests? Seriously?

[thecatsmeow]

Sorry what? You think you're being poisioned by heavy metals getting into your blood stream, but they don't show up in blood tests? Seriously?

This is what others have written in their post's; I haven't been tested! (Yet!)
I don't "think" I'm being poisoned, I KNOW actually! What's more, I'm not answerable to you for my views!

[tzlr_17]

This is what others have written in their post's; I haven't been tested! (Yet!)
I don't "think" I'm being poisoned, I KNOW actually! What's more, I'm not answerable to you for my views!

You're under no obligation whatsoever to read or respond to my posts, I'm sorry you feel that way. I just find it extremely odd, if I 'knew' I was being poisioned a blood test would be top of my URGENT-TO-DO list.

I would be very interested to hear your source as to why heavy metals "won't show up in blood tests" as this is so obviously nonsensical.

[john connor]

You're under no obligation whatsoever to read or respond to my posts, I'm sorry you feel that way. I just find it extremely odd, if I 'knew' I was being poisioned a blood test would be top of my URGENT-TO-DO list.

I would be very interested to hear your source as to why heavy metals "won't show up in blood tests" as this is so obviously nonsensical.

Do you live in the UK???? if so I hope you have a better quack than I do, been tested for the obvious ailments. Arthritis, Ruematism, Vit D Def, they will not test for metal poisoning, I can't even find out what blood group I am without being a blood donor, i'm going to go into this in my thread case for, link between the NHS and CAA

Edit..poisoning as such is not the correct term I would use

[rbl_4nik8r]

http://www.novadetox.co.uk/acatalog/hair-mineral-analysis.html

With a 5 minute Google search I found this hair testing site for the UK, and many others world wide, that test for heavy metals, and IF you gave heavy metals in you it would show up, but I am sure some other reason would be given if nothing is found. If you want to be tested for something in this day and age someone will do it, hell I can go to almost any store and buy a drug testing kit to see if my kids are using.

Also cat if you lack the funds to pay for your hair testing I will gladly pay for it, as long as the results are posted on here, because even tho you may think I or others don't care, we do and I really would like to know what's wrong with you and really do wish to see you get better.


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[tzlr_17]

Do you live in the UK???? if so I hope you have a better quack than I do, been tested for the obvious ailments. Arthritis, Ruematism, Vit D Def, they will not test for metal poisoning, I can't even find out what blood group I am without being a blood donor, i'm going to go into this in my thread case for, link between the NHS and CAA

Edit..poisoning as such is not the correct term I would use

Who is "they"? I can assure you it's not the hardest thing to get your blood tested. What's the term you would use?

[stupid]

Who is "they"? I can assure you it's not the hardest thing to get your blood tested. What's the term you would use?

Unwilling ?
Stubborn ?
Afraid ?

....just guesses based on his attitude.

[emperfire576]

i live in north lincolnshire and like most parts of uk this is getting worse week by week .. I have noticed that they only target the parts of the sky where the sun is ( obviously changing throughout the day) . If i look directly eastwards in the afternoon the sky to my right is filled with criss cross lines that expand and last for hours and in the sky to my left is totally free of them . So the sun must be the target to obscure ..
i have only noticed this in the last 10 -15 years as since a small boy i have been fascinated with cloud structures and constantly watch the sky.

Last week all the cars in my street where coated in a fine light brown substance which then i noticed to be the same all over town ,,i have never seen this before ..

Also on Look North(local news programme) paul the weatherman has started going on about contrails when people send pictures in as part of the shows feature... his body language and voice tone shout bullshitter ..

Its a hard one to call with regards to what exactly is going on especially with the amount of people who would need to be compliant in a conspiracy to crop dust us so to speek ... especially people who are doing constant monitoring at universities surely they would pick up any unusual heavy metals.

Maybe its a process to decrease vitamin d intake and the spraying has no pollution as a side affect bar blocking the sun ..
Anway im not unlike some on here gonna bullshit about my scientific abilities or understanding of thing in the parts per million but its obvious its not contrails as far as i have read they are dependant on certain temperature in the atmosphere and that would contradict what i have seen on days within weeks of the same temperature.

[tzlr_17]

Maybe its a process to decrease vitamin d intake and the spraying has no pollution as a side affect bar blocking the sun ..
Anway im not unlike some on here gonna bullshit about my scientific abilities or understanding of thing in the parts per million but its obvious its not contrails as far as i have read they are dependant on certain temperature in the atmosphere and that would contradict what i have seen on days within weeks of the same temperature.

How are you measuring atmospheric temperature?

[stupid]

I was recently diagnosed with a Vitamin D deficiency.
It's winter here.

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/managing-your-healthcare/diabetes/articles/2010/03/25/why-you-may-not-need-that-vitamin-d-test-after-all

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/heart/articles/2008/06/23/time-in-the-sun-how-much-is-needed-for-vitamin-d
In the winter, it's impossible to produce vitamin D from the sun if you live north of Atlanta because the sun never gets high enough in the sky for its ultraviolet B rays to penetrate the atmosphere. But summer is a great time to stock up on the nutrient. When the sun's UV-B rays hit the skin, a reaction takes place that enables skin cells to manufacture vitamin D. If you're fair skinned, experts say going outside for 10 minutes in the midday sun—in shorts and a tank top with no sunscreen—will give you enough radiation to produce about 10,000 international units of the vitamin.

[john connor]

Unwilling ?
Stubborn ?
Afraid ?

....just guesses based on his attitude.

That takes some beating " pot calling the kettle black " you are a fine one to talk about attitude, you deniers are the ones who will not answer the most basic Q .. you tell us who THEY are? or is it all a figment of our collective imagination, again it begs the Q why the hell are you and the others here???

[john connor]

I was recently diagnosed with a Vitamin D deficiency.
It's winter here.

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/managing-your-healthcare/diabetes/articles/2010/03/25/why-you-may-not-need-that-vitamin-d-test-after-all

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/heart/articles/2008/06/23/time-in-the-sun-how-much-is-needed-for-vitamin-d

I;m sure the Army will give you a shot or 2 when you are drafted, that's if you are of age?