Is All Religion Sun Worship?

[f13ticket]

I have already seen Zeitgeist and realize that Jesus is the sun personified. And of course Pagan religions are almost all solar or lunar at their base. Such as Egypt and Ra. I have tried to avoid the sun worship of the west by centering on more eastern ideas.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2740987755232169561#

While Shinto does not as much worship the sun alone, it is clear that a very high ranking kami (spirit/god) is amaterasu (the sun kami.) So Japan's native religion is not without sun worship. Also, the big red disc in the flag is the sun disc. The Emperor is said to have descended from the sun Goddess, and Japan means the land of the rising sun. So, clearly, the sun reigns in this culture as well.

"Both Nippon and Nihon literally mean "the sun's origin", that is, where the sun originates, and are often translated as the Land of the Rising Sun."

Names of Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I thought that I could escape it again in China. But in the link below it is clear that the Yin Yang (Tai-Chi) symbol is also a solar calendar. Charting out the birth, death, and rebirth of the sun. Just like the Zodiac, just like the cross, just like the mythical lives of Ra and Jesus.

http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/yinyang.htm

From what I have heard, the oldest documented religion is the worshiping of the serpent and the sun. It seems, from increasing research, that serpent and sun symbolism dominates almost if not all of religions from the east to the west.

The sun also has a strong occult symbolism and the eye of ra (look at the back of the dollar) is almost everywhere in occult works.

"Horus was an ancient a sky god whose eyes were said to be the sun and the moon. However, he soon became strongly associated with the sun (and the sun god Ra as Ra-Horakhty ("Ra, who is Horus of the two horizons") while Thoth was associated with the moon. An ancient myth describes a battle between Horus and Set in which Horus´ right eye was torn out and Set lost his testicles! Thoth magically restored Horus´ eye, at which point it was given the name "Wadjet" ("whole" or "healthy"). In this myth it is specifically stated that it is Horus´ left eye which has been torn out, so the myth relates to the waxing and waning of the moon during which the moon appears to have been torn out of the sky before being restored once every lunar month."

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/eye.html

"Apep was a huge serpent (or crocodile) which lived in the waters of Nun or in the celestial Nile. Each day he attempted to disrupt the passage of the solar barque of Re. In some myths, Apep was an earlier and discarded sun-god himself. This helps to explain the snake's strength and his resentment of the daily journey of the sun. In Seth's battle for the throne of Egypt, he claimed that he was stronger than Horus because it was he that stood at the prow of the solar barque and defeated the enemies of Re.

Apep was a genuine threat to Re and his daily travels. At times he was successful and when this occurred stormy weather would occur. When Apep swallowed the barque, there was a solar eclipse."

http://www.egyptianmyths.net/apep.htm

Icke even talks about how the sun helps to build this holographic world in his newer speeches. Perhaps he that controls the sun controls this universe. Even more, the sun and Reptiles have a close bond, as they (sun) to soak in its energies. Perhaps our reptilian brains that are associated with survival see worship of the sun as a means of sustaining our universe. So much so, humans have killed to sustain the sun to sustain the universe.

"The Aztecs worshipped a war god called Huitzilopochtli, who took on the likeness of the sun over time. It was thought that in order to insure the sun's arrival each day, a steady supply of human hearts had to be offered in holy sacrifice (Hogg:43). They believed that the sun and earth had already been destroyed four times, and in their time of the 5th sun, final destruction would soon be upon them. In order to delay this dreadful fate, the practice of human sacrifice became a major element in Aztec society and livelihood (Meyer & Sherman:67). "

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/latinamerica/topics/human_scacrifice.html

It seems then, in the iconography and stories, that every religion is a repetitious and cyclical worshiping of the sun whereby people either give their energy to it through prayer and submission, praise, or human sacrifice for the purposes of sustaining the sun for continued existence of the universe as a form of securing, as some people might view it, a form of security and survival.

Moreover, perhaps this worship of the sun is emblematic as well as literal history of the universe eating itself like the snake eating its own tail. Doomed to destroy itself unless it rises above this cycle.

"The ancient mystery schools depicted the reality of the universe another way, through the symbol of a snake swallowing its tail. (Picture a dot on the torus, and the path it takes as it moves from the top down the side, across the bottom, up the other side and back to its position on the top. It makes a perfect circle, which is the shape of a snake swallowing its tail.) The symbol is one of self-destruction, because a snake that devours itself will die. The universe will also someday die, because it cannot go on eating itself endlessly. In time its energy will wear out, from the endless recycling project. It will self-implode.

Brahman knows this, and it is terrified. That’s why all its children are terrified."

http://brontebaxter.wordpress.com/2009/08/02/brahman-the-doughnut-that-eats-itself/

A cycle that many advocates of 2012 fear is coming to an end.

The Devil and Jesus, serpent and the sun.
The Dragon and the Yin Yang, serpent and the sun.
Apep and Ra, the serpent and the sun.

I think Spirituality is the pursuit of our soul for truth. (Spiritual truth in the highest, as all is Spirituality.) I think that religion is the pursuit of our logical minds (reptilian minds) for security through worship, respecting and exploiting hierarchy, logical understanding, and total control in the name of survival. I think that mythology is the pursuit of our emotions and heart for to paint this epic quest out as expressive stories that become legends.

[dusan]

pretty much i would say.

we have to consider and be aware that sun is what gives life to all in planet earth so is logical that all or most of religions worship the sun.

now sirius worship disguise as sun worship is another topic.;)

[s00perdr4g00n]

pretty much i would say.

we have to consider and be aware that sun is what gives life to all in planet earth so is logical that all or most of religions worship the sun.

now sirius worship disguise as sun worship is another topic.;)

What does that mean?

[dusan]

look, i really think you should do your own research instead of believing me.
so i will leave this video as an illustration and you can ask yourself what is there to investigate and begin your own research.

cheers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfY6eT28fZY

[vladmir]

now sirius worship disguise as sun worship is another topic.;)
Ah ha! ;)

[ellis_deatrip]

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This is their new logo , for obvious reasons.
Kinda like how 'Calpis'(cow piss?) is now called 'Calpico'. :p

[dusan]

some quick google search may give you something like this:

The Sirius mystery

The sirius mystery investigates the possibility of ancient astronauts through the legends and artifacts of a very old civilization.

Sirius, popularly known as the “Dog Star,” has been observable for centuries. It is 8.6 light years from Earth. Sirius has a companion star, which we will call SiriusB, which is invisible to the naked eye. This dwarf companion was first photographed in 1970. Its existence was theorized as early as 1844 but was not visualized until 1862.

The mystery lies in the fact that the folklore of a primitive West African tribe known as the Dogon has foretold of its existence for thousands years. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian descent. They migrated to Mali, West Africa bringing with them this legend that is traceable to approximately 3200 B.C. Without the aid of modern optical instruments and mathematics they could not have possibly known about Sirius B’s existence. Yet they mystery of SiriusB was revealed to two French anthropologists in the late 1940s.


The priests stated that Sirius had a companion star (SiriusB), which was invisible to the human eye; this star follows a 50-year elliptical orbit around Sirius. They further described SiriusB to be a small and incredibly heavy star that rotates on its axis. What is incredible about this legend is that it predates modern western astronomy knowledge by more than 4,000 years. Even if they had had access to current astronomy textbooks, they still could not have known about SiriusB. They also had a detailed knowledge of the rotations and orbits of the planets in our own solar system and of
According to the priests, they learned of the existence of SiriusB from unearthly sources. This source was called the “Nommos”. These were amphibian-looking beings that arrived in an, “Ark accompanied by thunder and fire”. The legend depicts the “Nommos” as partly fishlike in appearance and living mostly in the sea. These creatures bear a striking similarity to the creatures called Oannes by the Babylonians and the Sumerian creature called Enki. Even the Egyptian god Isis was depicted as what would be later termed a mermaid. In all cases, these “gods” were related to the worship of Sirius.

The mystery gets even more intriguing with the last declaration of these priests. They continue to say that a third star exists in the Sirius cluster. “SiriusC” is lighter and larger than “SiriusB”. “SiriusC" also revolves around Sirius. Around “SiriusC”, orbit the planet from which the “Nommo” came.

Many notable astronomers have argued that the Dogon derived their knowledge from modern astronomers. This has been proved to be wrong, as the priests have produced a four thousand year old artifact that depicts the Sirius configuration.

http://www.essortment.com/all/siriusmystery_rbqu.htm

[kappy0405]

All religion is rooted in Gnosticism, but most of it is clouded with literalist overtones that get mistaken as the core beliefs to be followed. The ancients simply used the Sun and other celestial objects as symbols for their allegorical teachings, so naturally, as literalist misintrepretation of these tales became rampant, humanity simply fed off those literalist tales & created their own literalist versions of it over & over again.

so basically, all religion is Gnosticism being represented as literalist Sun worship.

[s00perdr4g00n]

Dusan, I would love to view the video, but my computer doesnt have sound.

[dusan]

dont worry about it.
the video is actually pretty lame but it talks about sirius worship, so i can make you think about it, do your research, get your own conclusions and believe no one.

[s00perdr4g00n]

some quick google search may give you something like this:


Ive heard all of that before, but didn't hear about Sirius C.

Also, that is what I try to do, I dont believe anyone 100%, until I look into the subject then I make my own belief based on what I hear.

[kingmob]

Its not stricktly about sun worship at all.

All read Sumerian tablets, or lost biography of Enki. This stuff becomes very apparent.

[ellis_deatrip]

All religion is "Ignosticism", in my book...:confused:.. Weren't Gnostics were the prelude of freemasonry?

[majicdragon]

this is the sun they worship:

http://chview.nova.org/solcom/x-objects/sag1cann.jpg

you see it?...

[s00perdr4g00n]

Nope

[vladmir]

this is the sun they worship:

http://chview.nova.org/solcom/x-objects/sag1cann.jpg

you see it?...
lol, its a symbolic Ouroboros.
Yes, the Cosmic functions of the Sun are varied and multi-dimensional, like Sun is the giver of heat and light and prana/chi and also simultaneously the Sun is a Time-Lord and also Death Himself.

Who he represents to you, that depends, on well, your own actions.
Its not personal, its just Cosmic business.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YKPd1gUPBrw/SRUbjtn7SYI/AAAAAAAABs0/GsHcecgLQE4/s320/sirius-mystery.jpg
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2045191/The-Sirius-Mystery-Robert-Temple

[vladmir]

Just dont freak out and call the Sun 'evil' or 'the devil' or something,
thats just silly. :D

[s00perdr4g00n]

Egads!

[vladmir]

Egads!
'The Sun' is not your enemy.

[s00perdr4g00n]

The sun is not the enemy, Im just baffled trying to sort out all the information I have been researching on my quest. ;)

[vladmir]

The sun is not the enemy, Im just baffled trying to sort out all the information I have been researching on my quest. ;)
Before the Sun comes up again, go back to sleep. Tomorrow is a brand new day. ;)

[marpat]

Well even if it was, what exactly does sun worship represent and what is wrong with it? without it there would be no life on earth so we can see why it would be seen as a vital power of life. Many people see the sun as the physical embodiement of the creative spiritual power in the outer universe.

Who is against sun worship in real terms? jews, muslims and christians. Most pantheistis religions are not so negative towards the sun or what it represents. Even jesus can be associated with the sun so christians can be seen as indirect sun worshippers.

[vladmir]

Well even if it was, what exactly does sun worship represent and what is wrong with it? without it there would be no life on earth so we can see why it would be seen as a vital power of life. Many people see the sun as the physical embodiement of the creative spiritual power in the outer universe.

Who is against sun worship in real terms? jews, muslims and christians. Most pantheistis religions are not so negative towards the sun or what it represents. Even jesus can be associated with the sun so christians can be seen as indirect sun worshippers.
Exactly, and one of the first threads that i made on this forum address this:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34145

[extremecheese]

I have already seen Zeitgeist and realize that Jesus is the sun personified.

Well the answer to this thread topic is no, not all religion is sun worship, it's true that many religions place the sun as a sacred object, but not all religions worship the sun.
Judaism and Christianity for example are told specifically in the Bible / Torah NOT to worship the sun, and is pretty darn clear about it too! Please check out the whole of Deuteronomy 4, however below I have quoted for you verse 19 which deals specifically with sun worship :-

"And beware not to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven."

Instead though, you have chosen to ignore this very concise passage and presented some evidence to suggest otherwise.
Your evidence to promote that Christianity is nothing other than sun worship is the first part of the film Zeitgeist, and what a truly stunning movie that is.
I'll readily confess that I was totally taken in by zeitgeist part one, it's a very professional piece of work, stringing together some excellent sequences, music and soundbites. But, after 2 years of gradual de-programming I finally came around to the realization that Zeitgeist part one is nothing but propaganda pushed by the very people it claims to be fighting against.

Can I suggest that you need to watch Zeitgeist refuted final cut (click here for the full movie (http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/23231658)) which I'm afraid isn't as slick or entertaining as Zeitgeist, but instead is based upon sound research and facts.

Having said all that, there is nothing wrong with researching the sun worship similarities within all the other religions of this world as hopefully it'll point you towards the uniqueness of Christianity ;)

[jackson82]

of course it anit. maybe you should read some more. :)

[ecca]

sometimes I wish that zeitgeist hadn't even been released, because it has turned REAL HISTORY into 'some thing you got from a movie on the internet'

then again i suppose the good of the movie outweighs the bad, sheeple who use that excuse(the whole 'it's just an internet conspiracy theory') not to research it for themselves would be unlikely to do any reading on the subject otherwise anyways.

[f13ticket]

Well the answer to this thread topic is no, not all religion is sun worship, it's true that many religions place the sun as a sacred object, but not all religions worship the sun.
Judaism and Christianity for example are told specifically in the Bible / Torah NOT to worship the sun, and is pretty darn clear about it too! Please check out the whole of Deuteronomy 4, however below I have quoted for you verse 19 which deals specifically with sun worship :-

"And beware not to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven."

Instead though, you have chosen to ignore this very concise passage and presented some evidence to suggest otherwise.
Your evidence to promote that Christianity is nothing other than sun worship is the first part of the film Zeitgeist, and what a truly stunning movie that is.
I'll readily confess that I was totally taken in by zeitgeist part one, it's a very professional piece of work, stringing together some excellent sequences, music and soundbites. But, after 2 years of gradual de-programming I finally came around to the realization that Zeitgeist part one is nothing but propaganda pushed by the very people it claims to be fighting against.

Can I suggest that you need to watch Zeitgeist refuted final cut (click here for the full movie (http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/23231658)) which I'm afraid isn't as slick or entertaining as Zeitgeist, but instead is based upon sound research and facts.

Having said all that, there is nothing wrong with researching the sun worship similarities within all the other religions of this world as hopefully it'll point you towards the uniqueness of Christianity ;)

I will watch the film. I started watching another one like it and it really just sucked. This one seems to be well done so far...

To be honest, I champion this idea so much because it puts Christianity into a context with other world religions that I can better understand. It also fits the patterns of the other world religions very clearly. Though, perhaps, this is due to the romanized take of Christianity more than anything Biblical.

I know that I am not supposed to hate, being Spiritual and all, but there is a deep hatred in me for either Christianity or in the least what it has become. It gives me no peace, peace of mind, or comfort. It is long, too long. Way to long for most to ever understand because not only is the book long and mostly boring it is esoteric and you pretty much have to be a religious and historical scholar to get anywhere in it in any discernible way.

If this really is God's book, then he is a boring, annoying, and very hard to understand author. Who clearly does not know his readers very well.

I also do not like Christianity for many reasons. It comes off as a religion of obedience. It is about being a slave to a master. Just because God created me, does not mean I should worship him and act as if I owe my life to him. It is beneath me. It makes me feel like life is not mine if I have to live if for him. Just because someone makes something doesn't mean it belongs to them. Look at Creative Commons, GNU GPL, or a community park. Create something, give it free will, then threaten it with eternal damnation if it doesn't do what you tell it to? Why bother creating me if you're going to keep me on a leash? If I was Christian, I would be a Satanist because the most interesting and dynamic character of the whole story seems to be Lucifer. He at least challenges God. He at least wants the prize he deserves.

Other religions or forms of Spirituality are liberating. They tell us we are part of God or that we can become a God. Christianity is defeating, it tells us we are never as good as God and to spend our entire life licking God's boot. Then it wags Jesus in front of us and tells us be like thing guy, even though God knows you can't. If I believed in Christianity, I would see nothing wrong with Satan trying to kill God. What kind of self absorbed master creates creatures for the pure point of them worshiping him? Satan's the hero of the Bible, not the villain. He's the only one in the Bible to have the balls to try to do what everyone else wants to do, be a God.

I also used to think God hates gays, but not every Christian views homosexuality as sin. In many ways I wonder if the New World Order were the good guys and they lost their way. I think they have a lot of ideas right, but the whole kill everybody thing is jacked up. If they could get over wanting to kill everyone, but still liked the whole do whatever you want and be a God thing, I think I would like to hang out with them. My two big complaints is that they don't share knowledge and want to kill people. If the New World Order did what they want without hurting people and actually shared the wealth of their knowledge; I would praise them.

Christianity is a prison. I do not want to worship someone. I do not want definitive rules for my life. I want freedom. I want to be a God. I want to do what I want to do. And I want a religion that tells me that I'm right for feeling this way and helps me do what I want to do.

I don't want a religion that tells me to sit down, shut up, lick boot, and be thankful for the fact God created me to have such a glorious boot-licking life.

Christianity is a tool to trick people into accepting domestication and into standing down. It's also boring, and without anything to do. Sit down, read a boring book, sing about how great an awful guy is, and pray the awful guy doesn't kill me for not worshiping him good enough? With Spirituality I get Tarot Cards, spell books, Ouija Boards, Rune Stones, crystals, and so on. Christianity then tries to kill these good people, like in the Inquisition. Because Christians are fearful and jealous of anyone who is free; because Christians are not free, they are slaves. How does anyone see Christianity as a form of freedom?

[phildee3]

And of course Pagan religions are almost all solar or lunar at their base.



Not so.
The very word itself, Pagan, means of the earth.
Before the Vatican's doublespeak redefinition of the word to mean anti-Christian, as an attempt to demonise nature worship, it was Earth based - seeing divinity in the beautiful life of Earth's flora and fauna.

[f13ticket]

Well the answer to this thread topic is no, not all religion is sun worship, it's true that many religions place the sun as a sacred object, but not all religions worship the sun.
Judaism and Christianity for example are told specifically in the Bible / Torah NOT to worship the sun, and is pretty darn clear about it too! Please check out the whole of Deuteronomy 4, however below I have quoted for you verse 19 which deals specifically with sun worship :-

"And beware not to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven."

Instead though, you have chosen to ignore this very concise passage and presented some evidence to suggest otherwise.
Your evidence to promote that Christianity is nothing other than sun worship is the first part of the film Zeitgeist, and what a truly stunning movie that is.
I'll readily confess that I was totally taken in by zeitgeist part one, it's a very professional piece of work, stringing together some excellent sequences, music and soundbites. But, after 2 years of gradual de-programming I finally came around to the realization that Zeitgeist part one is nothing but propaganda pushed by the very people it claims to be fighting against.

Can I suggest that you need to watch Zeitgeist refuted final cut (click here for the full movie (http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/23231658)) which I'm afraid isn't as slick or entertaining as Zeitgeist, but instead is based upon sound research and facts.

Having said all that, there is nothing wrong with researching the sun worship similarities within all the other religions of this world as hopefully it'll point you towards the uniqueness of Christianity ;)

At a deeper sense, now that I have watched the remainder of the film, I must confess brutally that I am of the those who wish to self-deify. I believe it is greedy and irresponsible; actually abusive; that the creator created us to serve him. The entire end section of the film of your recommendation hounds the very principles of Spirituality that I have spent the last eight years of my life, in the most intimate and heart felt earnest, developing. And I see it as an attack on the perfect world that the New Age can create. I hate Christianity, and its concept of God. I have sense I was a child in Junior High School. When I shredded my Bible and stuffed it into an Ice Cream box. There grew in my heart a hatred that I knew that the religion I was raised to believe in had no place for me and that it was one of the deepest purposes of my life, if not the very reason for me existence, to do my best to destroy Christianity from the face of this Earth.

I began a studios quest for the next eight or so years into finding a replacement Spiritual system for myself. As Atheism was a blind faith as dogmatic and ignorant as Christianity. It too was for the weak and the servile. And Satanism was too self centered. Deification and utopia is far all, not a few. We are crafting a new world for all to enjoy, not a new prison. I oppose the way Zeitgeist wants to do it, for it is idiotic. But a New World Order will arise from the ashes of the death of Christianity. My main hope is that it is not lead by those who are in charge of such an order today. As they are as ruthless as the Christians are suppressed.

When the Christian world falls, and when the New World Order falls that destroyed the Christian Order, then we can have peace.

"Let the evil ones be cast away; let the good ones be purged by the prophet! Then shall this Knowledge go aright."

Truth is beyond morality, so the polarities of Good and Evil must both eliminate each other. (More so the New World Order will kill the Christian World, then turn on itself like a Snake Easting its own tail until it kills itself under its own corruption. Or, for the Star Wars fans, the corrupt Old Republic and Jedi order must be killed by the Empire and the Sith; then the Empire and the Sith must bring about its own destruction and turn inward on itself. Then, and only then, can a true and full building of a utopia society even begin.)

I do not promote physical killing or physical harm, nor do I do these things myself. In short, I sit back and watch the soap opera of Alex Jones and The New World Order; rooting for both sides to destroy each other so that whatever is left can finally be free of Christians and Satanists. Both of which are just as evil as one another in my eyes.

My arguments against Christianity are an attack on its principles. I do not like a God that thinks he owns me and can deny me becoming as good or better than him. That is a stupid God, who's son I'm glad to see nailed to a cross. God is so ignorant, that his own angels and humans turn against him? If you wanted to be obeyed and worshiped, and if he was infinitely wise, he would have made robots. But to make creatures with Free Will, like himself, deny them God-Hood, like himself; then demand they worship him, threaten then if they disobey him; and punish those who try to overthrow him; that is a mark of a God who is an ignorant, self deluded, petty tyrant that deserves for Satan to kill him and claim is thrown. Again, considering, I'd far more prefer fallowing the "light barer" than the idiot god.

I'd applaud Satan for seeing that the guy at the wheel who created the ship is off his rocker and, for the good of us all, throws a mutiny to take the ship back before the lord of idiocy kills us all in his flailing fits of infant tantrums. (Drowning the world because he doesn't like the people on it. He considers them impure. [Maybe they were not worshiping him enough?] What type of cruel bastard kills almost everyone on Earth because he doesn't like them?) I guess one could them conversely argue that Satan is trying to kill and take God's thrown. But, at the very least, you are admitting that Satan is and God or just as evil. Accept God's evil is done in vanity. Satan's is done in an attempt to regain sanity for the world.

[f13ticket]

Wow, that was an ugly little spat. I really need to check this anger thing.