Shaman speaks

[qilady]

I found this to be right on the money (heh heh so to speak) Please take the time to watch all 10 segments~:o♥

2010 with Shaman, Kiesha Crowther 1/10 - YouTube

[agrael]

thank you.

[curly]

splendid stuff,thank's for posting,that spiral is amazing.

[verndewd]

interesting

[dontbeafraid]

When she says god and goddesses, just about everyone who has not had the earth talk to them personally, totally gets the wrong idea. Cause there is no other word to use to tell the people.

Its not my job to teach anything, and I wasnt told to teach anything, but its basically like this:

WE are all a part of god, the living universe, the creator.

How you interpert that depends on your ego. Little Grandmother has an ego, just like we all have. So keep that in mind when you listen to someone, even a shaman. They are what they are, and have not been reprogrammed to be perfect teachers.

This is what I know.

Each piece of material, insect, animal, planet, sun, etc are also a part of god, the living universe, the creator.

And when the earth talks to you, it can do it in a few ways, it depends on what it has to tell you and what mood it is in. The most direct way is it sends a vibrational force, the force comes right from the earth, your can follow that vibrational force, in an instant, to right where it comes from if you have taken the time to find your soul.
And if you cant do that, then you will know where it comes from because it reveals to you that it is the earth before it talks to you.

As BP was just about to crack into an old wound that the earth has, the earth told me, in its direct way, that it is going to start to begin one of its "changes". It said "I must begin my change, I will start now" And because it said that to everything on the planet and in the solar system at the same time it said it to me, I could also hear all the trees, and animals, and planets respond to what the earth said. They know the earth is doing its change now too. And everything will play a role in the earths change. Even the center of the galaxy. We are all tied together, we are all going to play a role and help. And sometimes ones role isnt fun, but its the way it is and in the bigger picture, the freewill that the living universe, the creator, god has given everything, one has determined what role one is to play ALL BY ONE'S SELF.
If you have done nothing in your life but shop and eat, then I know what your role will be, You are going to be a layer of soil. Because thats how you lived, you have chosen to eat and shop, eat and shop, eat and shop...you will go back to where the things you ate and bought at the store came from, the soil. And its going to be a very fruitful layer of soil for those who are to be the seeds of the new earth. And they will thank you for its bounty. And I know that sounds super creepy to some people, who all they do is shop and eat, and all I can say is look at yourself and what you do. You shop and eat, for what reasons do you think you do that?


And people are going to change with the earth. And when the earth says to me it is going to change, like I mentioned earlier, I also know that the sun helps the earth change. And the sun and galaxy are able to do some pretty sci-fi things, like change time and space. So when the earth is finished, it will become a very beautiful clean place again, with the help of the sun and the galaxy's powers. Which is the power of the one truth, LOVE.

So to pit it all in a nutshell for you.

And alot of people are going to become "light beings" or souls, around 75% of the people, (I know this, because I have already been to the near future) which means their bodies are going to return to the earths soil. What happens to their souls is that some will be collected by the moon matrix which is run by an AI and uses the souls energy, some will be with the other light beings outside the moon matrix, but they are all still a part of the living universe, the creator, god.
So being in the moon matrix's control in the long run isnt as bad as it might seem. Cause in the end, when the living universe is finished unfolding itsself and reveals its mystery to ALL, it might restore things that it feels was unjust, who knows. Maybe someone will do it before the end. And noone knows when the time is that the living universe reveals its mystery. But people do know when the earth begins its change, which is now! And it is happening. If its not happening fast enough for you, too bad.

[zone2012]

:) 1+

[fummie]

Thanks for the link qilady, I really enjoyed watching all 10 segments.

[gaias child]

Those are some of the most powerful videos I've watched, and I've watched a lot.

Profound information and I truly resonated with what she was saying in my heart.

[nectars]

Bookmarked for later, sounds interesting thanks :)

[lateral_v]

thanks will give it a listen later! :)

[verndewd]

She says alot of what I say and have said for years. I would say this is a definite sign that were all about to Hit the ONE ness very soon :D People like her are more dangerous to the elite than guns and bombs even governments.

But yeah I finally have some back up to what I have been saying for a long time , there will be more. More people more ways of saying the same thing more people understanding . For the first time in many years I am excited by the future just knowing that others have been given the same message to share.

[cinder_darkskys]

Satanist have been trying to get people of believe self’s being there own god for years, since time start. It was BS then it worst BS now.

I suggest you send her a link to David’s site, so she up date her self.

As her starting statements are right it about our fore-fathers.

I did like how she started, but when she gets in to self goddess stuff, she get old in seconds.

I will view the full video, because of the early statements and the imagery presented.

[verndewd]

Satanist have been trying to get people of believe self’s being there own god for years, since time start. It was BS then it worst BS now.

I suggest you send her a link to David’s site, so she up date her self.

As her starting statements are right it about our fore-fathers.

I did like how she started, but when she gets in to self goddess stuff, she get old in seconds.

I will view the full video, because of the early statements and the imagery presented.

You need to watch several of her videos to understand what she is saying.

[marpat]

Satanist have been trying to get people of believe self’s being there own god for years, since time start. It was BS then it worst BS now.

I suggest you send her a link to David’s site, so she up date her self.

As her starting statements are right it about our fore-fathers.

I did like how she started, but when she gets in to self goddess stuff, she get old in seconds.

I will view the full video, because of the early statements and the imagery presented.

How is it BS? even Jesus claims that we are gods. The Psalms also say it. Does this mean jesus was a satanist?

[cinder_darkskys]

Im say self god is wrong, is all

Religion is not man made

Your not god your are a live human, with a soul. 1 Soul and she put you alone. and when throw out religion sound formilor Is not that what Satanist have been trying to do for year. you AUTO matical place your self on the out side looking in. alone but your not alond, you have legions right there will, traped

She right about mother Earth, and the privlage

I seen the vid Mpat, when peaple start out on there quest, often they many idea They even seem crazzy. it not till later many years later. they start to understand the quest.

I will try to get a better idea of what shes calling the Great I am. I supect she talking about the great sprite.

USE the KEY Word I < @ > am, the crazzy Buffalo is close to them now

[verndewd]

Im say self god is wrong, is all

Religion is not man made

Your not god your are a live human, with a soul. 1 Soul and she put you alone. and when throw out religion sound formilor Is not that what Satanist have been trying to do for year. you AUTO matical place your self on the out side looking in. alone but your not alond, you have legions right there will, traped

She right about mother Earth, and the privlage

I seen the vid Mpat, when peaple start out on there quest, often they many idea They even seem crazzy. it not till later many years later. they start to understand the quest.

I will try to get a better idea of what shes calling the Great I am. I supect she talking about the great sprite.

USE the KEY Word I < @ > am, the crazzy Buffalo is close to them now

you dont seem to understand what youre talking about

[afreeman]

Thank you for sharing. That was very inspiring, I greatly enjoyed it.

Thanks again.

-Peace

[cinder_darkskys]

How do I explain this.

She new with much to learn.

let me see

If I said to you. < I have nothing agaist religion. > < this tell you im going to attack religion, oh an please dont take offence because I have nothing agaist it < Hey while Im attacking you please smile and take it up the A$$)

cool convice me

Butttt....... and if U take all away, religion and its man, repeted
We see this over and over, every one and there dog use this line, it a lot of crap.

< she has deside in her mind eye that if you remove this, preconcluded you get that.) of corce she wrong about it religion beening man made. So she could be wrong about other things.

Which very clearly religion, it not man made at all. Any one who up date on this site know, it aload of BS

I guess her sprites didnt get the memo, man made instatutsion and goverments< Im starting to feel there not created by man ether. built yes created no),
you would be left with your self. you realize <I am> alone, <god>cant do anything with out a body or mind< ask any cripple,) <the Creator> human can error, <I am Creator self> limited by body and mind, < no limits >, here a high speed train my dear step in front of it prove to me you have no limits.

Wow, that one hot idea. Can I have 2 hot chicks and wisky straight up to, unforgenatly its not new, but I did love here exspession of realization.

but she still a human, she still needs tampons < oh wait we got rid of all those nasty instatutions, hey luck you), she still needs to eat, pay bills put the kids throw school.

hey wait if we take away all these thing, we dont have them any more to use.

if your own god that leave you alone in billions < like a limbo a lost soul ) A shaman should and would know that.

Words come to mind; Do as thy will, A.C.

I will look closer at this one. I may even brake my rule of reading her book of life.

I'll go throw all knowin information including going throw her vid's verndewd

If you like I'll post here for verndewd

As I said I like this one, she interest me, because she make few corect statements, which is every much like david when he started out.

If all the world was lolie pops and gum drop oh what a world this would be.

I like her name better then shamen. Little Grandmother

[verndewd]

religion IS government. God governs creationwe are to govern the earth or more directly our own lives, religion taking precedence over god instructed self governance is NO DIFFERENT than having a social spiritual government. Same thing same effect , it draws out your money and energy and is used to provoke wars while giving you a false sense of security.

If you govern the spirit you can rest assured no one will be outside of governance at any time. Religion is man made. The most dangerous thing we can do to the powers that be is learn to govern our own spirits and our own selves in society , once that is accomplished there is no power structure that can undo our sovereign souls.

[cinder_darkskys]

How is it BS? even Jesus claims that we are gods. The Psalms also say it. Does this mean jesus was a satanist?

let god dewell in your heart, it states the same thing about christ, as the normal state of a mans mind should effective, be reflexing that which Christ or that God would do.

meens If come a cross a poor man starving to death man, do I stable him in the head kill him quick, so he dosenot suffer or do I feed him, and teach him how to feed him self. Which would god choose to do.

You might be interested in this tibit, based on and other topic.

Not opinion - theological truth.

Flammas eius lucifer matutinus inveniat:
ille, inquam, lucifer, qui nescit occasum,
Christus Filius tuus qui,
regressus ab inferis,
humano generi serenus illuxit,
et vivit et regnat in saecula saeculorum.



The latin word for "morning star" is "lucifer" with a small "l". When it is used with a capital "L" it is the equivalent of "Morning Star" meaning Jesus Christ and nothing else despite what that very badly translated abomination the King James Bible may say.

GS didnt like me put Caps on lucifer < Lucifer ) he points out that morrning is lucifer, as he trying to crorect me. but that not how it all translate.

U know me Marpat.

Flammas eius lúcifer matutínus invéniat:
ille, inquam, Lúcifer, qui nescit occásum.
Christus Fílius tuus,
qui, regréssus ab ínferis, humáno géneri serénus illúxit,
et vivit et regnat in sæcula sæculórum

May the Morning Star which never sets
find this flame still burning:
Christ, that Morning Star,
who came back from the dead,
and shed his peaceful light on all mankind,
your Son, who lives and reigns for ever and ever.
Amen.

I tend to agree in some reguards such as man reflection of LUCIFER as the female

GS -Not opinion - theological truth <Skys >of man = error

Flammas eius lucifer matutinus inveniat:

ya so he's and angel made by God, looks like chicken to me, look he come with his own Bq.

Flammas eius lucifer matutinus inveniat:
Ille, inquam, lucifer, qui nescit occasum:
Christus Filius tuus,
qui, regressus ab inferis, humano generi serenus illuxit,
et vivit et regnat in saecula saeculorum

May the Morning Star which never sets
find this flame still burning:
Christ, that Morning Star,
who came back from the dead,
and shed his peaceful light on all mankind,
your Son, who lives and reigns for ever and ever.
Amen.

May the Morning Star which never sets
find this flame still burning:

i think is mans hope's, or religions, of the faith, based on some sort of object, based in fact. The hiden truth of the object, is it objects, world wide.

Christ, that Morning Star,
who came back from the dead,
I think this is a compairson, christ control of the sorce. as equial to. Christ, that Morning Star,< that which they know is of the etrunial flame or gods house. Why its just like the Morning Star or Venus < which some how at that time, they happen to know, it hot as hell.

Which of corce the fallin angel comes, from that same sorce. < Who is also, created by god )

who came back from the dead, < this is what make it so as a compairson ) How by coming back from death. Only god can do that < smile)

and shed his peaceful light on all mankind,
your Son, Again we have more hope's made by man, he not even here at that time, but they know him
your Son. Son of the Eturnial Flame, or God, a son of God.

who lives and reigns for ever and ever.

Every lasting I should be able to see him, then.
Amen.

Thank you wikipedia.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exultet

That trinket, or bobble what ever you want to call it is, not god, it maybe of god. Note the word MAYBE.

what your looking for, this object, is right in front of your eyes. and no one seen it. even now, as i write this post. peaple are so blind.

The Laten was fun
PeaceLovesAll

And that pised of GS, because i was not going with the flow.

I was not fallowing the party line as they say, not even of my own religion.

[gaias child]

Im say self god is wrong, is all

Religion is not man made

Your not god your are a live human, with a soul. 1 Soul and she put you alone. and when throw out religion sound formilor Is not that what Satanist have been trying to do for year. you AUTO matical place your self on the out side looking in. alone but your not alond, you have legions right there will, traped

She right about mother Earth, and the privlage

I seen the vid Mpat, when peaple start out on there quest, often they many idea They even seem crazzy. it not till later many years later. they start to understand the quest.

I will try to get a better idea of what shes calling the Great I am. I supect she talking about the great sprite.

USE the KEY Word I < @ > am, the crazzy Buffalo is close to them now

I do not believe Satan exists, . Satanism did not exist pre christianity.

David Icke has explained on several ocassions that when he uses the word satanism he does not mean the religious satan but he uses as a metaphor to describe negative energy

If you believe he exists than he will do in your mind but he does not exist in my mind and there fore cannot affect me.

I liked what she what she said about spending more time focusing on negativity causes more negativity.

When she said we are God, that was a metaphor too, to explain we have more power than we believe we have, because we have been manipulated by humans to think we are limited, we are capable of amazing things and can do good with that.

TPTB used to use religion to control us, they now have no need to use religion as they use money/finances to control.

Read the Holographic Universe, and about how people can put molten burning fires on themselves and not get burnt, broken bones mended in minutes with energy healing. Loads more stuff too.

The truth to me is in all the ancient cultures and they are all fairly similar in their understanding and connectedness to God, nature and the stars.

[gaias child]

religion IS government. God governs creationwe are to govern the earth or more directly our own lives, religion taking precedence over god instructed self governance is NO DIFFERENT than having a social spiritual government. Same thing same effect , it draws out your money and energy and is used to provoke wars while giving you a false sense of security.

If you govern the spirit you can rest assured no one will be outside of governance at any time. Religion is man made. The most dangerous thing we can do to the powers that be is learn to govern our own spirits and our own selves in society , once that is accomplished there is no power structure that can undo our sovereign souls.

+1

[gaias child]

for those who enjoyed her talk.

I enjoyed these interviews too

04/23/2010 Kiesha Crowther "Little Grandmother": One with Nature 1/8 - YouTube

[afreeman]

I look at it all a little differently I think. Personally, I'm a Spiritual Atheist. I believe in universal love, and the power of what you would call a soul, but I also believe that there is no "god". There is no being that we can or could ever point to and say "that's god". I think "god" is everything. I think every part of the universe, every soul, every ant, every speck of dust is just another part of what humans call "god", or as I refer to as living energy. This all corresponds with the "oneness", in which we and everything in the universe must ascend at its own pace, over infinite time, until all is returned to Oneness.
As for us here, I believe we are all on a spiritual journey, and it is our duty as spiritual beings to understand ourselves, experience this reality, and hopefully bring about a calm and peaceful transition.
Yet I also believe that not everyone will ascend, because a lot of people are not ready. This does not make them weak or less in any way, because everything has a purpose. In the end, we are all one. Harming another only harms yourself.

So for me, when Kiesha Crowther was speaking of how we are "gods", I take it very literally. For me, it's nice to see another group of people who believe as I do, and teach what I believe to others. Right or wrong, it has a beautiful message. Kinda like this one:

"We can accept God becoming man to save man, but not man becoming God to save himself." -Vernon Linwood Howard.

So true. How easily we accept a "god" coming down from the infinite and showing us the way through other people, who later wrote it down... Or, we are in fact gods in training, we have forgotten our way, and the time is here to help us see the true course, and start behaving like that which we are... Gods...


-Peace

[verndewd]

I look at it all a little differently I think. Personally, I'm a Spiritual Atheist. I believe in universal love, and the power of what you would call a soul, but I also believe that there is no "god". There is no being that we can or could ever point to and say "that's god". I think "god" is everything. I think every part of the universe, every soul, every ant, every speck of dust is just another part of what humans call "god", or as I refer to as living energy. This all corresponds with the "oneness", in which we and everything in the universe must ascend at its own pace, over infinite time, until all is returned to Oneness.
As for us here, I believe we are all on a spiritual journey, and it is our duty as spiritual beings to understand ourselves, experience this reality, and hopefully bring about a calm and peaceful transition.
Yet I also believe that not everyone will ascend, because a lot of people are not ready. This does not make them weak or less in any way, because everything has a purpose. In the end, we are all one. Harming another only harms yourself.

So for me, when Kiesha Crowther was speaking of how we are "gods", I take it very literally. For me, it's nice to see another group of people who believe as I do, and teach what I believe to others. Right or wrong, it has a beautiful message. Kinda like this one:

"We can accept God becoming man to save man, but not man becoming God to save himself." -Vernon Linwood Howard.

So true. How easily we accept a "god" coming down from the infinite and showing us the way through other people, who later wrote it down... Or, we are in fact gods in training, we have forgotten our way, and the time is here to help us see the true course, and start behaving like that which we are... Gods...


-Peace

pretty close, god isnt a being per se but a state of being, and its a pretty amazing state of being by my theory.

[cinder_darkskys]

I do not believe Satan exists, . Satanism did not exist pre christianity.

David Icke has explained on several ocassions that when he uses the word satanism he does not mean the religious satan but he uses as a metaphor to describe negative energy

If you believe he exists than he will do in your mind but he does not exist in my mind and there fore cannot affect me.

I liked what she what she said about spending more time focusing on negativity causes more negativity.

When she said we are God, that was a metaphor too, to explain we have more power than we believe we have, because we have been manipulated by humans to think we are limited, we are capable of amazing things and can do good with that.

TPTB used to use religion to control us, they now have no need to use religion as they use money/finances to control.

Read the Holographic Universe, and about how people can put molten burning fires on themselves and not get burnt, broken bones mended in minutes with energy healing. Loads more stuff too.

The truth to me is in all the ancient cultures and they are all fairly similar in their understanding and connectedness to God, nature and the stars.

I do not believe Satan exists, . Satanism did not exist pre christianity.

I agree I believe that to be true Satan dose not exists, however the terminology there has always been this not dark force, but evil force, describes almost the same ways throw out history.

where its Satan or lúcifer, or who ever there always a counter opposite, what every the name.

Satan or lúcifer are not the same things, Satan is mental projection of humanity.

In the Rob Zombie Movie, I think it was the devils rejects, Miss Moon has a line. It all mind control bitch. the victim is trapped there, by her own helplessness. Dark side is about misconception.

take a look at the move white noise, that the end, there are stats on contact, with the dead almost never good, I tend to agree with that statment.

I’m talk about the 3 main power, they work all sides. then you add gods, oh yes the gods, ancient dragons super beings, angels, E+T, titans mythical things and human down to the lower life forms
All in the land of the dead. < I’m not even talking physic earth or super angels )

May the Morning Star which never sets
find this flame still burning:

this passage effects on a place, some thing they want you to see.

latten

Flammas eius lúcifer matutínus invéniat:
ille, inquam, Lúcifer, qui nescit occásum.

that something some people would not want you to learn about, and relates because she talking about spiritual contact, guildance, but hold it she wanted to put that aside that called religion.
The spiritual contact, which she dose not question, but wait what happens if the great I am want to question the spiritual contact.

I’m still trying to figger out David's vibrations energy, stuff. he a very complex man, more so these days.

When she said we are God, that was a metaphor too, to explain we have more power than we believe we have, because we have been manipulated by humans to think we are limited, we are capable of amazing things and can do good with that.

I did not get that impression, by the statement in whole, was and attack on religion.

You know U sons of Islam and U son Jewish are causing me no end of problems :D

it is her starting statement, why would she use metaphor, she says she got a message, what we have encode that to.

yes we are benign frocked around by humans, who have no conception, of the crap there unleashing.

do you realize. man has never created his own government systems, man never created religion. these are provable, at lest in the case of religion, far older then government.

If we never created it, how did we get the know age, to build it.

This is basically what curly Holy Well study is turning up, in spiritual way

I think David try to explain this, how we are not, using this what he calls cosmic vibration, he goes on to say we all can.

I believe I call it the Force, the good side and the dark side, I added a grey side.

LoL I cant wait to watch the rest now.

PeaceLovesAll

[verndewd]

I do not believe Satan exists, . Satanism did not exist pre christianity.

I agree I to believe to be true, however the turmenlogy there has alway been this not dark force, but evil force, describes almost the same way.

where its Satan or lúcifer, or who ever there always a counter oppside.

Satan or lúcifer are not the same things, Satan is mental projection of humanity.

In the Rob Zombie Movie, I think it was the devils rejects, Miss Moon has a line. It all mind control bitch. the victom is traped there, by her own helplessness. Dark side is about misconception.

take a look at the move white noise, that the end, there are stats on contact, with the dead.

May the Morning Star which never sets
find this flame still burning:

this passage reffects on a place, some thing they want you to see.

latten

Flammas eius lúcifer matutínus invéniat:
ille, inquam, Lúcifer, qui nescit occásum.

that something some peaple would not want you to figger out.

You should take that dogma to the veterinarian :p

[gaias child]

I look at it all a little differently I think. Personally, I'm a Spiritual Atheist. I believe in universal love, and the power of what you would call a soul, but I also believe that there is no "god". There is no being that we can or could ever point to and say "that's god". I think "god" is everything. I think every part of the universe, every soul, every ant, every speck of dust is just another part of what humans call "god", or as I refer to as living energy. This all corresponds with the "oneness", in which we and everything in the universe must ascend at its own pace, over infinite time, until all is returned to Oneness.
As for us here, I believe we are all on a spiritual journey, and it is our duty as spiritual beings to understand ourselves, experience this reality, and hopefully bring about a calm and peaceful transition.
Yet I also believe that not everyone will ascend, because a lot of people are not ready. This does not make them weak or less in any way, because everything has a purpose. In the end, we are all one. Harming another only harms yourself.

So for me, when Kiesha Crowther was speaking of how we are "gods", I take it very literally. For me, it's nice to see another group of people who believe as I do, and teach what I believe to others. Right or wrong, it has a beautiful message. Kinda like this one:

"We can accept God becoming man to save man, but not man becoming God to save himself." -Vernon Linwood Howard.

So true. How easily we accept a "god" coming down from the infinite and showing us the way through other people, who later wrote it down... Or, we are in fact gods in training, we have forgotten our way, and the time is here to help us see the true course, and start behaving like that which we are... Gods...


-Peace

I resonate with this.

[gaias child]

I .

[B][U] When she said we are God, that was a metaphor too, to explain we have more power than we believe we have, because we have been manipulated by humans to think we are limited, we are capable of amazing things and can do good with that.

I did not get that impression, by the statement in whole, was and attack on religion.

You know U sons of Islam and U son Jewish are causing me no end of problems :D


She was definitely not attacking religion, she made that very clear., that she respects all religions. You miss her point entirely.

Religions are now used to create division and wars for financial reasons and killing for money and power is not about connectedness to God.



Who are you referring too as sons of Islam and Jewish exactly? Sorry but that sounds predjudiced, and that is why you are not understanding. Is English your native language.

Just for clarity, I was christened a Catholic , but I do not follow that faith, for reason above.

[cinder_darkskys]

2010 with Shaman, Kiesha Crowther 2/10

I like it, she is general getting the message out.

she has a real fuzzie wasiezy, super friendly out look on E+T.

2010 with Shaman, Kiesha Crowther 3/10

I realy like this one, and she dose go on about Goduss, I my self like to talk about the goduss, infact I did a high of her, trying to explain the diferance between the goduss and the bitch of Babylon. an the creator, or great sprites. she right about the spiral symbolisium world wide, we all know this from history vids

She just about to go in to the sprial in the nerthland.

It should interesting to see how she explain this, A topic well adressed on site. by some very smart open minds on the site. That study group had some good ideas going on

2010 with Shaman, Kiesha Crowther 4/10

She make some interesting claim about the citys, on the lay out which is known as well, However she names severial citys some are not at lest I didnot know them all, and she right about the Ark, but that not new ether.it has not been be hinden for many years, and there are countless, TV shows on it.

But most this have been talked about for years. the old greek computer NG oh back in early 70 i believe some of the citys much longer, the moons not new ether.

Most these topic are display on site, including the moon, were long before I got here.

It is interesting about the sprial, showing up in many other place. It might worth recaping that topic based on her statment of locations.

3 way shot on the same object, could give a projection location.

I will view the rest to day. I did like her E+T and her engery being, they from the pleidie, and there here to fix the matrix. hehehe I was waiting for them to pop in

I seem to recall her a few years back < Kiesha >

wonderfull topic I think you made a good find. She has a lot good words, and I beleive she believe them. Unforgently I dont by here cutie E+T.

And I do question her information, and her sorce.

One should expect and invite peaple to question any sorce that place authory over humanity. be they man sprite government Christ or God him self, or all hell

I still dont like her I am, the great I am, religion,

I still cant believe you guys never cot the attack on religion.

kind of hit home my point about peaple not knowing evil when they see it. in this case evil deeds, but hey she has nothing agaist religion, as long as hers. the great I am.

PeaceLovesAll

[ferret]

she says the truth plainly without predjudice or hate, only love and respect. great woman

[nectars]

Nice video series :)

[afreeman]

cinder_darkskys,

Your only problem with her is that she "attacked" religion by saying: I'm not attacking religion, and asking people to set their notions of such aside for the purposes of this discussion?

Come on man, Bill Mahar attacks religion, this woman barely poked it. The only reason she stated that point was to try and bypass people's preconceived notions of "reality" so she could help them to understand her message. If she just rambled on without mention, then people would sit there and develop inter-monologues inside their heads...
"God didn't say that..."
"Jesus never believed that..."
"God will save us..."

Furthermore, religion wasn't made by god or aliens or anything else. In fact, Jesus would never want his name thrown around while old people sip from golden cups, in golden cities of old symbolism.
Personally, from what I've read of Jesus, he would walk away from any Church of today, because of their materialism, inherent destruction of his words, and wealth.
Jesus would have given the clothes off his back to cloth a poor man. The pope would spit on you if you even looked less "worthy".
What's the deal with the Pope anyway? Some old child molester who has "the ear of god", give it up. The pope doesn't have special powers, and worship in his name is ridiculous.
To further my point: Romans 13. Jesus would NEVER ask people to accept such conditions without contemplation. In fact, Jesus was one of the first protesters against "government" eg: Kings and such.

Then again, each to their own I guess. If it makes you feel better.

-Peace

[amercury]

Thanks qilady those vids were awesome :D

[cinder_darkskys]

you know, I did not miss the point. Her message is clear, that not new erther. or the adds, which includ a dimeon add on obucure sites, which hold her words.

Her chanaling her for fathers, oh I missed NOT 1 look, not 1 word. yum.

I very clear say, agree. fore father are important, it should have been the point, 2 time meeting. I got that didnt you.

2010 is a big year in Canada. They just discovering what you new for a year and 1/2, what the US of A new about 7 to 10 years ago.

and if there careful they wont miss it.

I said in other post, I say im in pices, Im out there in space. I meen Out there in space 400 + light years, it a big deal to these guy, her energy beening, it big deal.

Have another look at Star image I posted with great eye stairing out at wonder, remenber the Galxicy ghouly look down and back at you form left, so judgment.

His eye is now looking up, not at us, any more, as if the stars, them self seem to have changed.

When a volcano goes off, its can be mathicaly work out, that can be equated to say nukes, amount of TnT. you can work out the math.

Say if I found something special, that something special was hiding. but alive. How would you react as a human. Why you jump.

Its the unknow, fight or flight, thats the human reaction.

What if your the liveing special thing, that was hiden, which is not hidding any more.

How would you react, as that new found living bening. suprise maybe, a need to protect one self maybe.

So when I draw a line in the sand, and I stand up for something i truely believe, and known in my heart and minds eye. which is in pieces Its been shit all over. yet still in the whole physical human reality. and have showin over and over, 100s of diferant ways, It dont fit the big human image.

The reason it dose not fit, is because this a human exsperance, and there not human

Its truely is funny seeing my self as a non religous man, standing for these thing which are older then we are.

now if you look at what she saying, the time is now for her and her peaples and the peaples of the world, the power of world wide change is here, we can do this
I agree, by all means.

What if your wrong, and they are hostial.

she taken her personal study which have lead her to this point and believe, then we add the PSI or chanaling, which is very inconclueive.

hear my masseage, trust my sorce, I do, I dont question it. but I want you to trust the same sorce, and go on the faith which she remove, to start.

She not wrong in fact they are here.

I can go to any lake, bait a hook and drop it in the water, and catch fish too, for dinner, gess what would happen if that fish questioned that bait

PeaceLovesAll

[cinder_darkskys]

cinder_darkskys,

Your only problem with her is that she "attacked" religion by saying: I'm not attacking religion, and asking people to set their notions of such aside for the purposes of this discussion?

Come on man, Bill Mahar attacks religion, this woman barely poked it. The only reason she stated that point was to try and bypass people's preconceived notions of "reality" so she could help them to understand her message. If she just rambled on without mention, then people would sit there and develop inter-monologues inside their heads...
"God didn't say that..."
"Jesus never believed that..."
"God will save us..."

Furthermore, religion wasn't made by god or aliens or anything else. In fact, Jesus would never want his name thrown around while old people sip from golden cups, in golden cities of old symbolism.
Personally, from what I've read of Jesus, he would walk away from any Church of today, because of their materialism, inherent destruction of his words, and wealth.
Jesus would have given the clothes off his back to cloth a poor man. The pope would spit on you if you even looked less "worthy".
What's the deal with the Pope anyway? Some old child molester who has "the ear of god", give it up. The pope doesn't have special powers, and worship in his name is ridiculous.
To further my point: Romans 13. Jesus would NEVER ask people to accept such conditions without contemplation. In fact, Jesus was one of the first protesters against "government" eg: Kings and such.

Then again, each to their own I guess. If it makes you feel better.

-Peace

I'm not realy aloud to read the liveing. with out there permission,
but Christ beleive in a force he precive as god his father, which he was right, He got his Kingdom, see the souls of man are ratting them out they beening E+T.

Saying hey wait, you meen I dont have to be dragon bait.

there are no writen works of Christ, to my knowage, there other peaple verssion of him basied on there account. That why they call it Faith.

A fool and soul are soon parted

Bill Mahar attacks religion, can say anything he want, who is who cares. David attacked religion for years, goverments and religus groups try get him to stop for years, a guy walk on with a diferent point view, he changes every thing over night.

thats why choise is so important, to Question, is important, this was a planet of love. before this all started.

"God will save us..."

Furthermore, religion wasn't made by god or aliens or anything else. In fact, Jesus would never want his name thrown around while old people sip from golden cups, in golden cities of old symbolism

is it not said that Christ transform, in non humans forms, are you sure you want to run with line. unless your brain dead, it should be Clear to you that god is older then man and there fore cant be human in whole as you know human. and that there is an E+T conection, its a fact, there fracking with human dead. I meen unless you been and coma for the last year + and or brain dead, that what my imagery shows

Yes he < Christ ) is rebelus Mofo, but no one gets hurt, but him self, thats call self sacifice. Subject for a later time. :D
uncommon, and Fuckin Nobel man

But here in the real world.

[cinder_darkskys]

http://www.turtleisland.org/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6198


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: July 9, 2008

(Saskatoon, SK) The Federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations is once again calling for First Nation peacekeepers in the wake of the RCMP shooting at Southend Saskatchewan on Saturday July 5, 2008, that left a man seriously injured. The FSIN’s Special Investigation Unit is monitoring the incident.

“This is the second time in less than a month where the RCMP used lethal force to deal with an incident on a reserve,” says FSIN Vice-Chief in charge of Justice Glen Pratt. “This latest shooting brings into question the amount of training police receive when it comes to dealing with First Nations people. The RCMP train their cadets for one year. How much of that is devoted to teaching them about life on a reserve?”

Last month RCMP shot and killed a man on the White Bear First Nation. In response to that incident the FSIN called for a federally funded Peacekeepers Program to work along side police. “The need for local peacekeepers has not gone away. The Southend shooting supports that,” says FSIN Chief Lawrence Joseph. “Peacekeepers would do preventative work developing relationships with the community and local police forces.”

Last month, Chief Joseph and Vice-Chief Pratt met with Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day to discuss the Peacekeepers Program. The two leaders continue to wait for a decision regarding a federally funded program.

The Federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations represents 74 First Nations in Saskatchewan. The Federation is committed to honouring the spirit and intent of the Treaties, as well as the promotion, protection and implementation of the Treaty promises that were made more than a century ago.

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http://www.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/news/story.html?id=d046e40a-5e9e-4ace-909f-d6f7b40d22dd

The Cowessess First Nation Peacekeepers are continuing to find ways to respond to the community’s needs.
By Leader-Post August 29, 2008 Be the first to post a comment
REGINA -- The Cowessess First Nation Peacekeepers are continuing to find ways to respond to the community’s needs.

Cowessess is located approximately 20 kilometres north of Broadview and leaders realized that the RCMP detachment had a wide area to cover, which created a slow response time.

The First Nation then contacted Stan Sparvier, a member of Cowessess and a former member of the RCMP, for assistance. He became the reserve’s justice co-ordinator and established the Cowessess Peacekeepers Unit.

“We’re basically attempting to do our own policing out here,” said Sparvier.

He said the peacekeeper unit is comprised of four full-time workers and two who work part time. Sparvier said the peacekeepers are trained in firefighting and peacekeeping, but recognized that the peacekeepers — who have their First Aid — needed more medical training.

For the past week, 12 members from Cowessess — including the peacekeepers and six members of the health staff — have been taking First Responder training.

“What we’re trying to do is not take over medical, but be able to help our people,” said Sparvier. “The First Responder’s course came as a result of some of the accidents we have had out here. Our peacekeepers didn’t have the equipment or the experience to tend to an accident.”

He explained that there was need to have more than one person on the reserve trained as a First Responder.

“This is the first time this First Responder’s course is being offered on Cowessess,” said Sparvier. “What they do is they get trained in the medical field to respond to accident … basically, look after the patient until the ambulance arrives.”

To ensure the First Responders were prepared, they were called out to the scene of a mock accident.

“I waited until they were sitting down having their lunch, then I called them, said Sparvier. “But it was excellent in the way they responded.”

He believes this training will help the peacekeepers provide more services to the community. Sparvier says that although the program has proven it can be successful funding for such a service is not stable and added equipment is still needed for First Responders.

Daniel Lerat, 29, one of the peacekeepers who will be graduating from the First Responder program today believes that such training is a necessary part of his job.

“It’s a 45-minute wait for the ambulance,” said Lerat. “Since we are already at the scene we might as well be of use, with the First Responder’s course we have the knowledge to help a person out.”

Lerat said he always had a strong desire to help others, particularly those in his home community. He joined the peacekeepers nearly two years ago and is glad he did because not only do peacekeepers provide an essential service for the community they also provide assistance to the local RCMP. Lerat said this in turn helps build a better relationship between the two groups.

“It’s gratifying because you can see the difference we have made in the community,” Lerat said, adding the reserve has become a safer place for all residents.

kbenjoe@leaderpost.canwest.com



Saskatchewan First Nations May Get Peacekeepers
The Saskatchewan provincial government confirmed Monday that a training program pilot project for peacekeepers will launch in 2010. Further official information is not available at this time but an order-in-council shows that funds have been allocated with the federal government providing a matching amount.

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Sask%20First%20Nations%20closer%20getting%20peacek eepers/2340170/story.html

Press funny uh, NEWS as they want you to see it.


Peacekeeper pilot project established by governments, tribal council for File Hills First Nations
By Heather Polischuk, Leader-Post March 2, 2010
REGINA — Five special constables soon will be making the rounds within the File Hills First Nations.
The provincial government, File Hills Tribal Council and Public Safety Canada announced the two-year pilot project on Tuesday at the Okanese First Nation. It will see the special constables hired by the File Hills First Nations Police Service — currently the only self-administered First Nations police service in Saskatchewan.
According to a news release from Corrections, Public Safety and Policing, the special constables — also referred to by government as "peacekeepers" — will support the seven-member police force "by developing crime prevention and public awareness programs that speak to the needs of the community for greater involvement and cultural awareness."
It's welcome news to File Hills police service Chief Ralph Martin, since it frees police officers for more proactive policing. It also means special constables — who are to come from the File Hills First Nations — can help continue making inroads with the communities.
"We're trying to enhance the service delivery of the police service by having local people work with us in a culturally sensitive manner using the old ways of First Nations conflict resolution within their communities," Martin said, adding the police service prefers to avoid funnelling everything through the courts.
So far, Martin said three of the special constables are already on the job. Two more are expected to go through training at the Saskatchewan Police College in the fall.
One of their greatest strengths is that they come from the communities where they serve, he said.
"They know the community, they know the individuals living in the community, they know the hot spots, they know the relationships that cause problems," Martin said. "So they bring all that information to the regular officers."
Special constables aren't armed and can't respond to violent calls without a regular member. They have some limited police powers although they're governed by The Police Act.
Corrections Minister Yogi Huyghebaert said the pilot program might act as a model for similar programs on other Saskatchewan First Nations.
The pilot project is expected to cost $300,000 annually for two years, with just over half picked up by the federal government. The remainder — 48 per cent — will be provincially funded.
Peacekeepers have been employed on at least one other Saskatchewan reserve. The Cowessess First Nation's self-funded peacekeeper program began in August 2006. In 2008, leaders of other First Nations said they were looking into similar programs.
The Federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations has long called for more peacekeepers on reserves due to issues over RCMP response times and shootings on some First Nations.
hpolischuk@leaderpost.canwest.com


Read more: http://www.leaderpost.com/news/Peacekeeper+pilot+project+established+governments+ tribal+council+File+Hills+First+Nations/2632447/story.html#ixzz0qxURo83k

[cinder_darkskys]

6 unbyus warrior red guys an good intenchins and a breeding pair bufflo dose not and, army of light make

The reason she wares white man garb, it tell 1 person she might have the dream, that's part of it.

that her peaples fallow the white man ways, but have not lost the old ways. have try to honor there forefather, but live in this real world, and are on Dream quest seeking wisdom as moden man, in the old ways. which the old ways dont work, because the hoop has been broke.

which are stuped in religion richial, but we put that aside, For the great and powerful Oz The great < I am > your back at zero. why its like not knowing the true order, but you just skiped it, or glorifing 1 and not the other, it leads to nothing, but missing the children. it a very ALPHA thing to do

:D Its not always what said that counts.

They know and remeber. < this is a dream she fallowing shamen she learn things in a certan way, and at diferent times and they trust there sorce)

She Chanales to prove she can do this, shamen ability < with out pain, normaly chaneling hurts alot)
beening lay up for months is not uncommen, it oppside to what you see on TV.

you can even have bone broken or even killed from chanling. movie Enounter of the 4th kind, any number of possion movie, show the exstream contornion, which can take place, including hand makers and bits, I seen a thumb print form on a child for head, in camera. so we are not talking a good ship lipop world

she dose not tell any one that she going to do it. but dose, and no one notic, she can do this, even tho she states she talk to the dead.

this was one the whole point of the video, You where not ment to get that. what was meant for one person

normaly female and religion dont mesh. something to do with light and dark and limited ability to procreate.

which would have been sign her to forefathers in those days to know this person is conected, then they would have to have diside is this light or dark,This is not face contoriny or trix imagery.

< her face changes right there to a very old women, more then once ).

Watch the vid again. there several events.

I know the face in history, there is a images of her some where, you can put them side by side. the face will match, you will be able to over lay and see no differance.

these are souls; the one can ID by image, if he should choose more verification. there not alive, so he can read there forhead marks lifes storys, with out her permission, it not her at that second. that what chaneling is, the body hold 2 souls. the owner goes AFK. the owner can even be pushed out, replace, thats called possession.

she may have had the dream of the white sprite dream, and only a true shamen could have dreamed, that dream.

She might even know the white sprite dance and have had the dreamed that dream, in which, it would be a must, that she dress, as a white man, to confurm that she possabley had that dream, < its part of the dream.) It also mean it cant be used as a sign again, so if another claim the dream, that part is all ready publicly stayed, they have to show or tell another, all hush hush, just like she did.

there PSI code locks, of verification between peaples this is world wide, throw dream in the case of shamans.

she should be able to read the Aztec dream stone. precent her study finding, which some one like me would come long and verify the finding, which should be impossable. or could with time and training.

my feeling are

she keeps a detailed dream dairy, it including imagery she has drawin of her dreams, strangely detailed for dreams,

Its my feeling that the book she writes in curently, is a bright color book with lots of flower, many color.

I feel there something wrong with lock but both side there, but it not working, lost key.

If the house were burning, she view the books as important as any children, the rest can burn, its replacable.

[choice]

What a lovely young lady to listen to. :)
I liked her links very very much :) Thank you

[cinder_darkskys]

her over all message, is of the most importants.

because of the event shapeing the world, even now as I write this.

28 goverment sit trying to figger out a world fate. Pointless if there not working for the unitifed whole. which has almost nothing to do with the non religius.

the Non religious has no unitifed whole, there on the out side.

her message shows this from 1st to the 10th video. In those videos, she states she her self is a believer in Christ.

What is new is her conecption of the spiral, which to me seem Earth bases, based on my studdies. how ever, when look at the the many spirals.

It looks like a worm hole, of some kind. meen we can go there, if its stable. and it could be tracked based on the events, if its natrual event.

Chanaling event i seen, Im haveing trouble finding, this is not uncommon.

video compression, can skips frames, The bug 'a'boos them selfs can make you or me not see. they can place mental imager.

Between the seconds

in imagery video, we watch anmai, between 30 an up tp tp 90 framers per second.
these 10 videos are about 40 frames a second with a very high compression. for the avderage person thats 1 second. but for me 30 frames is a life time.

I do have her book marked and Im still studding her.

high lights ; of her video imagery.

Her little grey buddys the witness. this also has her enegery bening symbolizium. meen its there to. behind her there derectly, in the smbolizium. this can be showen, as PSI contact. relative imagery from Mars.

Which NASA dose not have. most time when I show Mars. Nasa dose not have that imagery. I display for you. So if I were to relate, her video imagery, to Mars, in any way, that would be impossable. It would take and act of the gods.

Between Imagery frames, I think I cot her bug'a'boo buddy the one she talking about that never left. the imagery is layered between shifting camera views.

I have a lot on my plate right now with my curent studdies.

how every I feel this is important. not because the Great I Am. because severial thing she say, and the way they put. Who every her sorce is dose not understand human history, or wish humans dead.

This become crystal clear when she talks about China and the US of A. Clearly history shows, any time. 2 counteries give out lands for there countery, it war. no ifs no ands or buts. thats HISTORY. it happen to the 1st nations WIPED OUT, 22,000,000 DEAD.

PSI works on ego, no matter how sweetie, there alway hidden story and facts. all sitting in the underlining message.

The question becomes dose the 1st nations still hold anger at the US of A, for what it did to them. after all these generations. 250 years is severial generations.

PeaceLovesAll

[cinder_darkskys]

Your Horoscope - Today, July 3, 2010
The truth you tell today might hurt someone,
so you'll have to choose carefully what you say, Cinder.
Your concern for people's feelings is genuine,
but your honesty is equally important to you,
and even a little lie has a profoundly negative effect on your own self-image.
And you'd probably be more comfortable getting caught in a
stalled car in front of an oncoming train than getting caught in a lie.
Perhaps it would help to remember that your honesty stems from your concern for others and, all other things being equal, is probably more important to you.

Love Skys
Project Avalone
Good peaple dont feel the need to get orginized.

They live with in the rule of law and there peers. 1 with in a whole, try to work for the betterment of all.

[cinder_darkskys]

Alpha and Omega - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Alpha < female All that was known, what has been, what can be found The birth of, a starting point, wisdom, Justus)

The Life, The son of Earth. Hold both AO, what is the real world possibility. The son is the unlimited reality. he uses those things that are hidden, and new. He can bring down every ufo in the sky around earth. The possible redemption of, holder of the crown of God, mans sins.

[B]I am [/B ]the alpha and the omega < the unknown, what will come, all that could be, strength, Ending the reclamation of, intelligent, his burden, sins of man, justification)

notice no I am before Omega automatic it is.

These spirits hold all traits, of each other, but some stand out more, then other traits. They have a polar opposite. They can be the same sprite. Hence we read about twins which seem to be separated, who after meet. Christ and Satan in a very strange way there related as brother. there are born of the same magic stuff of Adam and Lytha.

It's my believe. The true Goddess is what Lytha transforms in to Eve, today women which not born of the same magic stuff as Lytha what has been Eve to what is, < females ) all life on earth wild or tame, as Eve she is a short women about knee high little bigger with long flowing wavy hair, almost to her hips, she dress in the wild life, plants and or detect sun light, high light her clothing silver to or gold.

And other is a Black women of the long neck peaples.

This progression moved to Marry, Christ mother.

This is reflected in world wide faiths, over here, over 20 years there been several spiritial events, images on walls, things like this. A high power female spirit.

[cinder_darkskys]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=622&pictureid=7676 these images are from Mars, Do you know what they are saying.

How awake are you.

Shamanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shamanism is an anthropological term referencing a range of beliefs and practices regarding communication with the spiritual world.[2] A practitioner of shamanism is known as a shaman (pronounced /ˈʃɑːmən/ "SHAH-men"or /ˈʃeɪmən/ "SHAY-men").[3]

Shamanism encompasses the belief that shamans are intermediaries or messengers between the human world and the spirit worlds. Shamans are said to treat ailments/illness by mending the soul. Alleviating traumas affecting the soul/spirit restores the physical body of the individual to balance and wholeness.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=622&pictureid=7677

To be a Shaman, you have to walk in what i call the Land of the Dead, make contact, and live to tell about it and do it again.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=666&pictureid=7681
She giggles and says she can talk to the dead, like its and every day exspherance, for a Shaman, its a fact, it is. To most peaple its a big deal, not to many peaple can do that, and proving it, is imposable, or so it seem.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=622&pictureid=5901

This Image is from Mars, Part of the chalace of God set < cup of christ is part of that set.

These peaple call this the spirite horse in many case. this is displayed in the symbolizium in her shields

One side alive the other black dark death, for the living side, this how we been preciving death, The unknown. her spiral is on that side. The unknown, beyond her conception.

If its beyond her conception, how can you relate to it. What are we looking at realy.

a plain brown blanket with 3 shields but you only real ever see 2 shields. these shields are hand tooled works of art. The shape of the 3 shields is pretty clear meaning. now this was put together in no special way, other then by dream and or feeling. she sits between both shields an under the 3rd.

The symbolizium here is really awsum, on so many levels.

but what if you could Zoom out side the box, pull up a 3d panoramic.

What would you see. would you know what you are looking at, still knowing the person is just a person, with room to grow, and become, that which she could be.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=622&pictureid=6174

[choice]

Someone made a rly nice techno\trance clip with her words (for those who like the kind of music)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[cinder_darkskys]

Someone made a rly nice techno\trance clip with her words (for those who like the kind of music)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMI98DQO90s&feature=player_embedded

She hold some very powerfull and old spirits, who have no souls them selfs, but make the whole, Which has been refured to as Holy wells Metron, all very earthly, and derect relate with heaven hell, religion and the Illumity.

Some of the arts show pre- Eve link, never pretty, How ever it my beleive, she need to make that conetion, to hold any ability at all, as a female, after Eve, the ability is washed away, in misconectpion, women hoods enslavement seem starts off.

I'll look at the video.

She manages to sumon a prety clear image of the living holder of the Silver Sphear, or the white buffalo. He dose have souls.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=666&pictureid=7709
The man that Death Walk derectly behind

[cinder_darkskys]

Someone made a rly nice techno\trance clip with her words (for those who like the kind of music)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMI98DQO90s&feature=player_embedded

Make me wonder.
Why she want her peaple ensalved like that again. you see them hard on there beed work, and that all going out to sell. Is that how you see your lifes, thats the old ways.
WOMEN cook. Women go get wood. Women ben over I might hit the right hole. Women beating laws It ok to beat a women so long as the switch is not as thick as your Wrist Irland. The good old days, when MEN had all the power.

Yup Im running right for them old ways, The good old days when women had NO power whats so every.

If all the world were bubble gum and gum drops oh what a world it would be.
The great and powerful all knowing Gay dino Brany
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=712&pictureid=6834
The guy in that image above, is not a happy guy. In the old days, she be publicaly exacuted, happens in the holy lands all the time. Lucky we are not in them good old day, for her sake

Meen while in the really real world, mainly female children are raped in USSR Screaw drivers are shoveup there nose, Oh and the BLOOD so very cool, while these sick fucks display on the NET as sexial acts, seeming under rule of there goverment, in safty.

I fully understand her video and her work. I understand how important generaly what she saying, but I also understand she not you to think, Is that not what Satan wants become feeling depened on him like a drug.

I dont see my self happy knitting bead work or hunting for my food, if out there.

But then maybe the Great I AM is more important these women or children, or maybe the great I am just has not got around to help these peaple, but it sure would like to start a war between the US of A and China.

Oh ya and dont question it heavens to betty no dont question it, but that right she took heaven and hell out the image and replace the old pyramid with her NEW one.
And who at the top of the shit pile this time

Her band wow

Sleep

[dragond]

She sounds like a fraud, she looks like a fraud which tells me she is a fraud! how can you start by saying ' i believe everything wholeheartedly and will never question' very wise indeed.. :rolleyes:

What da fuck is going on with all this new age bullshit spreading like wildfire! People are so conditioned to follow and believe others rather than their own intuitions/feelings?? She isnt saying anything new! All she's doing is rehashing the knowledge and repeating in a different order to what people already know! Wake Up for fuck sake!

Before it was priests now its shaman's, wtf is going on with so called 'awakened' people?? :mad:

I guess the sheep will always need a shepperd no matter how awakened they think they are!


D

[cinder_darkskys]

She a Shaman, the real deal, you should repect, I do. Her own words are what show which side of the force she on, an the confussion.

Facts ;

she is control of at lest 1 metron or pipe.

she sumons the White bufflow A or the Son of God. < never left never will) last in line, meening the end resault. that what your are left with

She sumons the Crowned Earth goduss. < this one stays )

she sumons one that dose not look up, and old horned one. < this one falls) starving to death slowly. 1st in line is 1st to fall.

she talks about him as engery. Also she talks about Leaching energy from wild life such as plants. You have noted DAVIDS statment about VAMPIERS sucking enegery, from the living, this can be displayed. and is over my MsN.


She has aloud me to remove the white robes from her pipe, while her metron sleeps, St. Michal is clearly part of her mythos. and it take him possessing her to relest these souls with there white robes. under the the gise of the 2 headed Goduss, which is a Hidia symbol showen as 2 head eagle.

She is a powerfull shaman. in time she come to understand her place, in the world

There alot going on about dragon flys, this is the symbol for illusion, also a symbol of Satan or the old Horned one

If you studied the dragon fly will have noted a totem pole the highest symbol on that totem is the symbol of the White buffow. which is the above image.

The symbol is DEATH.

She powerfull in the ways of the force

I am curently reseting most of my imagery. because of severial topic.

I will be relesting certan imagery for certan peaples use, for the general public.

[edelweiss pirate]

Your Horoscope - Today, July 3, 2010
The truth you tell today might hurt someone,
so you'll have to choose carefully what you say, Cinder.
Your concern for people's feelings is genuine,
but your honesty is equally important to you,
and even a little lie has a profoundly negative effect on your own self-image.
And you'd probably be more comfortable getting caught in a
stalled car in front of an oncoming train than getting caught in a lie.
Perhaps it would help to remember that your honesty stems from your concern for others and, all other things being equal, is probably more important to you.

Love Skys
Project Avalone
Good peaple dont feel the need to get orginized.

They live with in the rule of law and there peers. 1 with in a whole, try to work for the betterment of all.

What in sweet fuck are you talking about?

[edelweiss pirate]

She a Shaman, the real deal, you should repect, I do. Her own words are what show which side of the force she on, an the confussion.

Facts ;

she is control of at lest 1 metron or pipe.

she sumons the White bufflow A or the Son of God. < never left never will)

She sumons the Crowned Earth goduss. < this one stays )

she sumons one that dose not look up, and old horned one. < this one falls)
she talks about him as engery. Also she talks about Leaching energy from wild life such as plants. You have noted DAVIDS statment about VAMPIERS sucking enegery, from the living, this can be displayed. and is over my MsN.


She has aloud me to remove the white robes from her pipe, while her metron sleeps, St. Michal is clearly part of her mythos. and it take him possessing her to relest these souls with there white robes. under the the gise of the 2 headed Goduss, which is a Hidia symbol showen as 2 head eagle.

She is a powerfull shaman.

What the....? mate, even I'm confused....

BTW why did you post a beheaded Arab woman? And call 'her' a guy?

I find this in very poor taste and it leads me to surmise that you are not a peaceful or harmonious presence but are a wild and dissonant and largely deranged one.

Wish I'd never looked at this fucked up thread. Urghhhhhhh. I'm sticking you on ignore cos God knows what SICK shit you'll post next.

Headcase.

[nectars]

What the....? mate, even I'm confused....

BTW why did you post a beheaded Arab woman? And call 'her' a guy?

I find this in very poor taste and it leads me to surmise that you are not a peaceful or harmonious presence but are a wild and dissonant and largely deranged one.

Wish I'd never looked at this fucked up thread. Urghhhhhhh. I'm sticking you on ignore cos God knows what SICK shit you'll post next.

Headcase.

+1

[dragond]

She a Shaman, the real deal, you should repect, I do. Her own words are what show which side of the force she on, an the confussion.

Facts ;

she is control of at lest 1 metron or pipe.

she sumons the White bufflow A or the Son of God. < never left never will) last in line, meening the end resault. that what your are left with

She sumons the Crowned Earth goduss. < this one stays )

she sumons one that dose not look up, and old horned one. < this one falls) starving to death slowly. 1st in line is 1st to fall.

she talks about him as engery. Also she talks about Leaching energy from wild life such as plants. You have noted DAVIDS statment about VAMPIERS sucking enegery, from the living, this can be displayed. and is over my MsN.


She has aloud me to remove the white robes from her pipe, while her metron sleeps, St. Michal is clearly part of her mythos. and it take him possessing her to relest these souls with there white robes. under the the gise of the 2 headed Goduss, which is a Hidia symbol showen as 2 head eagle.

She is a powerfull shaman. in time she come to understand her place, in the world

There alot going on about dragon flys, this is the symbol for illusion, also a symbol of Satan or the old Horned one

If you studied the dragon fly will have noted a totem pole the highest symbol on that totem is the symbol of the White buffow. which is the above image.

The symbol is DEATH.

She powerfull in the ways of the force

I am curently reseting most of my imagery. because of severial topic.

I will be relesting certan imagery for certan peaples use, for the general public.

oookkkk.. i dont know if i can respond to this without breaking your heart, thats why im gonna post this instead just to lighten up the mood and stay positive :D

http://www.myspacesarcasm.com/myspace-motivational-comments/9/pics_motivational-sisters.jpg


D

[alexmcph]

Thanks for the link, i enjoyed listening to Kiesha.

[blackstar76]

I liked her other video better. She goes into alot of things that we all bebate about here. The spiral info was spot on. I like the fact that she realizes that there are people who do not want to give up control and power. That the earth is a living entity. So much stuff that she covers.

I am going to try to be more positive and give up all that negative energy I have been carrying all these years. I believe in her because she is not out making money of her statements. I look forward to seeing more of her.

[blackstar76]

Also her predictions about the dollar collapsing and other countries owning America is very likely as well. She knows that America will be no more.
However I disagree with her that there won't be a major war. When the money system fails war will be the only avenue left for the PTB to try to stay in control. Then again can you fight a war if you have no value to your money? Wars are very expensive.

[verndewd]

She sounds like a fraud, she looks like a fraud which tells me she is a fraud! how can you start by saying ' i believe everything wholeheartedly and will never question' very wise indeed.. :rolleyes:

What da fuck is going on with all this new age bullshit spreading like wildfire! People are so conditioned to follow and believe others rather than their own intuitions/feelings?? She isnt saying anything new! All she's doing is rehashing the knowledge and repeating in a different order to what people already know! Wake Up for fuck sake!

Before it was priests now its shaman's, wtf is going on with so called 'awakened' people?? :mad:

I guess the sheep will always need a shepperd no matter how awakened they think they are!


D

shes not a fraud. I expected something like this ages ago to come. hers isnt an easy path.

[verndewd]

Also her predictions about the dollar collapsing and other countries owning America is very likely as well. She knows that America will be no more.
However I disagree with her that there won't be a major war. When the money system fails war will be the only avenue left for the PTB to try to stay in control. Then again can you fight a war if you have no value to your money? Wars are very expensive.

listen to what she doesnt say when she cries , she knows large troubles are near, i think she can see billions dead. She doesnt give it power because the sight guides one to the destination and when the shift occurs she cant be looking anywhere else.

[blackstar76]

I am very exicited about things to happen. For things to change. For people of the stars to come and show us the truth. I believe in her more than I believed in anyone else that has spoken about these things. I have always known that there was more to this life then we have been told. Should be interesting. We are half way through the year so that doesn't leave much time for things to start happening.

[blackstar76]

Well I jumped the gun again. Her book comes out in 2011 so I don't think too much will change in 2010.

[gaias child]

Whose book comes out 2011 ,has keisha got a book coming out too?

[ufochick]

I found this to be right on the money (heh heh so to speak) Please take the time to watch all 10 segments~:o♥

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK5OOfEmut4&feature=player_embedded

Thank you, I only got through 4 so far must run some errands. She is right on about the light people arriving during this last year. That's who I have been (and many others like me) interacting with, they are who can and will protect us from our own cabal and the evil amongst us. Day by day the emails and pms increase, and the interaction people are having with these Beings comes more into our physical world.

Look for the signs in your life there are many, some are signs of the cal some are signs of the light Beings, in my experience if you have one in your life you have both unless you have been protected. Here are some

Missing TimeThings missing,disapearing or being moved in your home
Smelling smoke or other odd smells
Your breath being very hot when coming out of your lungs
Large bang noise like a large shelf falling over
The lights going up and down like during a stormThe lights going off and coming back on
Scars appearing on your body that go away, or scoop type scars that stay
Your clothing suddenly being on wrong, wrong side out, backwards etc. or stained
Suddenly finding yourself in a different place
Time getting away from you a lot... like dinner cooking in 5 minutes
Having memories of other people saying or doing things they didn't do...those are cover memories
The bed/couch shaking while you are in it but no one is there
The covers moving again no one is there
Lights in your room
Something touching you but no one is there
Children telling you about the little men
Feeling you are being watched
Seeing things out of the corner of your eye
Seeing black or white "flecks" around you
Seeing light changes once your eyes are closed, Like a light or shadow across your eyelids
"Something" sitting on you or moving around on your bed
Sharp pains that last a second then don't come back
Leg pain for no reason that you can't get rid of
Numbness or tingling on parts of your bodySoreness on the top of your head
Sinus headaches that had a definite spot of origin
Being "frozen" in bed
Not being able to wake others up when you experience something.
Ringing in your ears that no one else can hear. You will hear different tones. It is now to a point where others may hear them, ask.

For those who are experiencing these things, as I said above, the Light Beings (for lack of a name) are moving more into our dimension. Other who may not have experienced may now be experiencing them, again, ask them.

These Beings do not hurt us. They help us. We must ask for protection from what would harm us. I have learned that the hard way. To give us their protection without our request is invading our free will, they will not do this. Be specific in your requests if they are not finite they are useless.

In my experience I was "found" by the cabal or the negative ones and thought the pain and torture I was undergoing was from these Light Beings, not so. But it is an easy mistake to make. I theorize that the cabal have a way to know who the light Beings are "helping" and target them. It is the only thing that makes sense since so many have contacted me and all have the same story except one who was a young teen, she was protected. perhaps because she was a child.

Again TY for posting this. :)

[haukipesukone]

Seems interesting. Thanks.

[pegcityevolve]

I will give it a watch. :)

[verndewd]

Thank you, I only got through 4 so far must run some errands. She is right on about the light people arriving during this last year. That's who I have been (and many others like me) interacting with, they are who can and will protect us from our own cabal and the evil amongst us. Day by day the emails and pms increase, and the interaction people are having with these Beings comes more into our physical world.

Look for the signs in your life there are many, some are signs of the cal some are signs of the light Beings, in my experience if you have one in your life you have both unless you have been protected. Here are some

Missing TimeThings missing,disapearing or being moved in your home
Smelling smoke or other odd smells
Your breath being very hot when coming out of your lungs
Large bang noise like a large shelf falling over
The lights going up and down like during a stormThe lights going off and coming back on
Scars appearing on your body that go away, or scoop type scars that stay
Your clothing suddenly being on wrong, wrong side out, backwards etc. or stained
Suddenly finding yourself in a different place
Time getting away from you a lot... like dinner cooking in 5 minutes
Having memories of other people saying or doing things they didn't do...those are cover memories
The bed/couch shaking while you are in it but no one is there
The covers moving again no one is there
Lights in your room
Something touching you but no one is there
Children telling you about the little men
Feeling you are being watched
Seeing things out of the corner of your eye
Seeing black or white "flecks" around you
Seeing light changes once your eyes are closed, Like a light or shadow across your eyelids
"Something" sitting on you or moving around on your bed
Sharp pains that last a second then don't come back
Leg pain for no reason that you can't get rid of
Numbness or tingling on parts of your bodySoreness on the top of your head
Sinus headaches that had a definite spot of origin
Being "frozen" in bed
Not being able to wake others up when you experience something.
Ringing in your ears that no one else can hear. You will hear different tones. It is now to a point where others may hear them, ask.

For those who are experiencing these things, as I said above, the Light Beings (for lack of a name) are moving more into our dimension. Other who may not have experienced may now be experiencing them, again, ask them.

These Beings do not hurt us. They help us. We must ask for protection from what would harm us. I have learned that the hard way. To give us their protection without our request is invading our free will, they will not do this. Be specific in your requests if they are not finite they are useless.

In my experience I was "found" by the cabal or the negative ones and thought the pain and torture I was undergoing was from these Light Beings, not so. But it is an easy mistake to make. I theorize that the cabal have a way to know who the light Beings are "helping" and target them. It is the only thing that makes sense since so many have contacted me and all have the same story except one who was a young teen, she was protected. perhaps because she was a child.

Again TY for posting this. :)

kind of an odd checklist. many of those also fit paranoid schizophrenia Although fair study hasnt been given to what is termed delusional psychological issues. having known several shizophrenics and heard their crazy stories a person wonders if psychotic breaks arent something a little more dimensional than whats currently believed.

[blackstar76]

Whose book comes out 2011 ,has keisha got a book coming out too?

Yeah I looked on her website. Her book is out in 2011 which is a little late if et's show up this year. Who is going to bother reading it then.We shall see.If her story changes and dates change with an excuse of some kind we will know it is bullocks.

I really liked the message of love she sends out. But am not willing to accept false dates and prophecies yet again.

[gaias child]

Thanks, I'll have to check it out, yeah I think it must be hard to predict prophecies accurately still it might be a good read, she has a nice message which makes a change from all the negativity

[catnap]

Not convinced :(

If there are so many beings out there who revere the earth so much why have they stood by and let mankind f**k it up?

[ufochick]

kind of an odd checklist. many of those also fit paranoid schizophrenia Although fair study hasnt been given to what is termed delusional psychological issues. having known several shizophrenics and heard their crazy stories a person wonders if psychotic breaks arent something a little more dimensional than whats currently believed.

And how many scitzophrenics are drugged into a stupor because they can see and hear things that are quite real but outside other people's "range"?

Out of all the email and PMs I have gotten only one was obviously from someone who was mentally ill. The rest were coherent, intelligent and simply seeking answrs to what they were experiencing.

It's easy to deny, harder to break out of the box and accept that the world is not the way we imagine it to be.

[catnap]

And how many scitzophrenics are drugged into a stupor because they can see and hear things that are quite real but outside other people's "range"?

+1

I dread to think. Same for all those drugged up for depression, anxiety etc when the only thing making many ill is being forced to live in this twisted society :(

[gaias child]

And how many scitzophrenics are drugged into a stupor because they can see and hear things that are quite real but outside other people's "range"?

.

Good point

[edelweiss pirate]

And how many scitzophrenics are drugged into a stupor because they can see and hear things that are quite real but outside other people's "range"?


I had a mate who was schizoprenic, I tried to convince him to come off his medication and try to heal himself. He was having none of it.....

I dunno. Far as I can tell there are enormous metaphysical possibilties open to the schizophrenic/shamanic awareness, but most of 'em don't want to know, and others, well, some are proper loopy and probably should stay on their meds.

[verndewd]

And how many scitzophrenics are drugged into a stupor because they can see and hear things that are quite real but outside other people's "range"?
...........................

It's easy to deny, harder to break out of the box and accept that the world is not the way we imagine it to be.

exactly

[blackstar76]

^^^^ huh?

[liami]

^^^^ huh?

don't know what i'm doing here ,gissa min, or an hour, tryin to post a radio link,

and the link ain't playing the game,......maybe because,i don't know what i'm doing

[liami]

http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/downloads/doc_download/20-world-puja-radio-talk.html

this'll bring you to the James gilliland interview which is well worth a listen.

If it doesn't, i'll figure it out after my appointment with Milo Armadillo:D

[verndewd]

^^^^ huh?

what we call mentally ill may be sensitive to multi dimensional reality.

[edelweiss pirate]

what we call mentally ill may be sensitive to multi dimensional reality.

Totally agree, but the guy I met just wishes it would all go away.

I suppose they are always told they are 'sick' and it can be very uncomfortable, but only because what most people call normal is fake and society as a whole is like walking around with both eyes closed. The person whose eyes are open may be terrified when he sees things noone else can see and he will ask 'are they really there, what is 'wrong' with me..?'

[verndewd]

Totally agree, but the guy I met just wishes it would all go away.

I suppose they are always told they are 'sick' and it can be very uncomfortable, but only because what most people call normal is fake and society as a whole is like walking around with both eyes closed. The person whose eyes are open may be terrified when he sees things noone else can see and he will ask 'are they really there, what is 'wrong' with me..?'

I explored my insanity on lsd and simply found most of it unuseable in this dimension. So I can understand him wishing it away. The real question is how would he invoke the personal power to dispell a dimensional breach?

[edelweiss pirate]

I explored my insanity on lsd and simply found most of it unuseable in this dimension. So I can understand him wishing it away. The real question is how would he invoke the personal power to dispell a dimensional breach?

Yeah buddy, you got it in a nutshell.

Being on acid is the same as being schizo...

Yeah, totally unusable in this dimension, nailed it.

To close the dimensional breach, well it's a question of convincing your body to stop producing adrenalin constantly, which then breaks down to adrenochrome, that's why the masons terrorise their candidates in their initiations, because they want to make their bodies produce adrenalin. and etc.

[wakeuptime]

Sounds fascinating. I'll mark it for later. thanks.

[blackstar76]

http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/downloads/doc_download/20-world-puja-radio-talk.html

this'll bring you to the James gilliland interview which is well worth a listen.

If it doesn't, i'll figure it out after my appointment with Milo Armadillo:D

Yeah it works- Thanks for sharing. I guess having a book come out is not that bad. I mean in all reality authors do not make alot of money these days. Unless its a mainstream book with a follow up nobody is getting rich. She states she lives off donations so she surely is not in this for the money.

I am just hoping I can get rid of my negativity and sometimes angry thoughts I have against other people and get ready to evolve as well.

[liami]

Yeah it works- Thanks for sharing. I guess having a book come out is not that bad. I mean in all reality authors do not make alot of money these days. Unless its a mainstream book with a follow up nobody is getting rich. She states she lives off donations so she surely is not in this for the money.

I am just hoping I can get rid of my negativity and sometimes angry thoughts I have against other people and get ready to evolve as well.

Yeah me too , if buddha had my family to contend with he'd have knuckeled down to a decent 9 to 5 and disposed of those crazy notions.

What are we supposed to do to get rid of the hurt and anger, we've been fuckin lied to all our lives,manipulated, conditioned, bullied, robbed blind,and so much suffering still going on .... and we're supposed to what......become full of love and light all of a sudden.....i hope theres an answer, there are a million and one opinions on ascension, and every other fcker has a book out on the subject, and i'm sick to my bones of it all.:mad:

I'm a good man in my heart(IMHO) and if the shift is real it can come to me, i've said my last OM,fck all that shit:mad:

If its real we shouldn't have to do fck all, just be genuine, loving humans,who respect the Earth and the people on it ...simple as

I like LG's take on things btw, it feels right.

grumpily yours .....liami

[cinder_darkskys]

What the....? mate, even I'm confused....

BTW why did you post a beheaded Arab woman? And call 'her' a guy?

I find this in very poor taste and it leads me to surmise that you are not a peaceful or harmonious presence but are a wild and dissonant and largely deranged one.

Wish I'd never looked at this fucked up thread. Urghhhhhhh. I'm sticking you on ignore cos God knows what SICK shit you'll post next.

Headcase.

I am just a person and do make error as any human could. I do know she was female
She a girl yes. sorry for that bit confusion. I just catching up, as I wanted to see where the post would go.

I hope you don't do that, but Oh well.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=832&pictureid=7964

Oh my what that I see in the Right hand corner, Why its the Winget party boy him self. Pooy pants time.

Im going to be changing my imagery around, this is one of the topics its slated for. because the imagery is based on this living human, who has the ability to be a shaman talk to the dead.

Do you think I just wanted knock down a little 1st nation girl. This lady can help me, She placed her self in Gods place, then say she dose not question her sorce.

Place your self in gods place is act of satan. No one can do that. The darks side of the force. Shaman, wizards and such thing are not aloud to leave.

Her not question her sorce, Im in on that one. like flash lighting Kickin Evils ass accross the whole planet.

Her peaple are really stagnet, unchanging, slow to change. stuck in there old ways.

I was just honest about the old ways. Neg comment only shows, who wants the old ways. and any pro comments shows who wants change, how little the old ways are really wanted, No commants shows the sheep

Lastly this NOT and uplifting IMAGE, I seen repercentation of huge numbers of white robes in the holy lands, thats really bad place. It could meen Million of soul beening saved in there house of heaven. I only see 3 and they appear to be side tracked by some one, by some one of there level of power as the white robe, but look at the color of the path they have lay out and the one they fallow which pure white, the other a grey color.

Far above arch angel Michel fights for these pitful few, yes that is a REAL live as Angel get, Angel.

Its my believe the Dead have no eyes, at this time.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=832&pictureid=7965

This Image which will make more sence with time.

PeaceLovesAll

[cinder_darkskys]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=712&pictureid=6846 This whats most important to every human on this planet. natural love, children. Something happen to the World to night heaven for bid such a thing. thats the bottem line.

David Icke's Official Forums > Main Forums > The Awakening

The world that been pulled over your eyes, and the mattrix as we like to call it here on site.

The FX used none just 1 layer of code, not even a level of Code. which what Curly works on in the Holy well.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=832&pictureid=7960 This the state of the metron she held with in as the 2 headed godus and it also a very male symbol as the 2 head eagle.

This is the metron opening for some big event. but its almost empty, but a few souls. they appear to be sleeping, expect for smiley here, seem to be going with the flow. he also up in both corners between the illusion, an the spiral

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=832&pictureid=7962

Very early humaniod male. most likely a reppy and here engery beening

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=832&pictureid=7961 both as mated this symboly is is the same as the mars Chalace of god Cup Christ imagery only I uncoded both of the mars imagery, and displayed.

Woman and man should treat each other as our highest order

The lady the crowned Earth goduss, she old, the 1st, if Im not misstaken, the Alpha, from the mouth of the male, down her tells who she became. her children.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=666&pictureid=7709

David Icke's Official Forums > Main Forums >
The Awakening - What we Can Do - Shaman speaks

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=666&pictureid=7681http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=666&pictureid=6784

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=628&pictureid=7908 These peaple need to fix some stuff, in a big way. There a hardy peaple, even in now many clean beaches, help wild life. other then ones own self. working with in the, system to make changes to that system of control.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=712&pictureid=6851 Your masters chained to the slave, he is a slave as well, driven by what push them on. Her peaple are also slaves in hate and greed.

what comes to mind here is It seem so big.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=712&pictureid=7445

Don't understand the last post with the pictures? whats your point again?

A Shaman has a thing called sight, and wisdow. Sight is the ability to see up comming events, as well as passed event.

No ones ever made them appear, Shamans could only tell what they know by what they seem, she explains this. trys to explain this like images flashing in here head

PeaceLovesAll

[blackstar76]

Don't understand the last post with the pictures? whats your point again?

[cinder_darkskys]

Don't understand the last post with the pictures? whats your point again?

You must use the force my padawand learner.

The ways of the force are wonderfull, for those that can see.

It must be very frighting for peaple who were tought God is not real.

These words she reflects on, she says much good.

But there feeling of warning, over days. Up to including a warning to the US of A, she out right views her self as a of those salves.

When in a fight, and I know abit about fighting. its not always best to show a possion of strenght. Some times, deception can win the day.

[cinder_darkskys]

Engery bening = souls = Pleiadais most likely, What kind of sun system would you need for engery beening. Which if Im not misstaken sits between the Bulls horns Taurus

I wonder what they Eat? We have a yellow orange sun, Low enegery sun things that make you say Hummmm.

[ekim]

I explored my insanity on lsd and simply found most of it unuseable in this dimension. So I can understand him wishing it away. The real question is how would he invoke the personal power to dispell a dimensional breach?

How could it possibly be unuseable? The other worlds created this one so what you do in the other world will reflect in this one, very useable knowledge if fully learned.

From what I have learned our spirit is merging with our being, the spirit world is merging with the physical. This has been going on for quite some time now and is quickening.

There is no evil as it's a physical perception which means we have nothing to fear especally our own minds. For someone who can't handle these interactions thier mind will turn to fear and a belief in evil is created. Some of these beings try to get energetic responses and one thing they do is try to scare you by presenting themselves in a scarey manner. I have seen this many times and learned not to react with fear and now they don't even bother me. The last time this happened I actually saw the entity walk away with what I interpreted as dissapointment, that was the last time I saw any of them.

Once our worlds have merged we will fully understand this physical dimension, this alone would be the end of war as people will have a knowledge that overpowers any physical weapons man has made to date.

This not new, it's not another stage in evolution, it's a return to being. We have lived at one with our creator world and we return to this way of living again.

[verndewd]

How could it possibly be unuseable? The other worlds created this one so what you do in the other world will reflect in this one, very useable knowledge if fully learned.

From what I have learned our spirit is merging with our being, the spirit world is merging with the physical. This has been going on for quite some time now and is quickening.

There is no evil as it's a physical perception which means we have nothing to fear especally our own minds. For someone who can't handle these interactions thier mind will turn to fear and a belief in evil is created. Some of these beings try to get energetic responses and one thing they do is try to scare you by presenting themselves in a scarey manner. I have seen this many times and learned not to react with fear and now they don't even bother me. The last time this happened I actually saw the entity walk away with what I interpreted as dissapointment, that was the last time I saw any of them.

Once our worlds have merged we will fully understand this physical dimension, this alone would be the end of war as people will have a knowledge that overpowers any physical weapons man has made to date.

This not new, it's not another stage in evolution, it's a return to being. We have lived at one with our creator world and we return to this way of living again.

Spot on .

[verndewd]

You must use the force my padawand learner.

The ways of the force are wonderfull, for those that can see.

It must be very frighting for peaple who were tought God is not real.

These words she reflects on, she says much good.

But there feeling of warning, over days. Up to including a warning to the US of A, she out right views her self as a of those salves.

When in a fight, and I know abit about fighting. its not always best to show a possion of strenght. Some times, deception can win the day.

are you muslim?

[nectars]

are you muslim?

lol :D

(sorry couldn't resist)

[pegcityevolve]

How could it possibly be unuseable? The other worlds created this one so what you do in the other world will reflect in this one, very useable knowledge if fully learned.

From what I have learned our spirit is merging with our being, the spirit world is merging with the physical. This has been going on for quite some time now and is quickening.

There is no evil as it's a physical perception which means we have nothing to fear especally our own minds. For someone who can't handle these interactions thier mind will turn to fear and a belief in evil is created. Some of these beings try to get energetic responses and one thing they do is try to scare you by presenting themselves in a scarey manner. I have seen this many times and learned not to react with fear and now they don't even bother me. The last time this happened I actually saw the entity walk away with what I interpreted as dissapointment, that was the last time I saw any of them.

Once our worlds have merged we will fully understand this physical dimension, this alone would be the end of war as people will have a knowledge that overpowers any physical weapons man has made to date.

This not new, it's not another stage in evolution, it's a return to being. We have lived at one with our creator world and we return to this way of living again.Brilliantly said my friend. :)

[afreeman]

You must use the force my padawand learner.

The ways of the force are wonderfull, for those that can see.

It must be very frighting for peaple who were tought God is not real.

These words she reflects on, she says much good.

But there feeling of warning, over days. Up to including a warning to the US of A, she out right views her self as a of those salves.

When in a fight, and I know abit about fighting. its not always best to show a possion of strenght. Some times, deception can win the day.

Hardly.
I'm a spiritual Atheist and I'm not afraid or frightened. I don't need false or "pretend" hopes in a "god" to live my life and bear upon my mind morals, ethics, and good choices.
If "god" exists, then I require proof. Upon death or change, if "god" is proved to exist, then it shall become Common Sense, instead of based on questionable materials and translated books.

As for your comments, you don't make any sense man. You just ramble incoherently without cause, except to somehow disprove the happy message presented. Then you decide to bash people who don't need to bow to a "god" no one can even show exists.

You sir, need English lessons.

-Peace

[verndewd]

lol :D

(sorry couldn't resist)

:D he talks about kicking evils ass around the globe , sounds like terrorism to me :D

[firstlook]

Hardly.
I'm a spiritual Atheist and I'm not afraid or frightened. I don't need false or "pretend" hopes in a "god" to live my life and bear upon my mind morals, ethics, and good choices.
If "god" exists, then I require proof. Upon death or change, if "god" is proved to exist, then it shall become Common Sense, instead of based on questionable materials and translated books.

As for your comments, you don't make any sense man. You just ramble incoherently without cause, except to somehow disprove the happy message presented. Then you decide to bash people who don't need to bow to a "god" no one can even show exists.

You sir, need English lessons.

-Peace

As a spiritual atheist, can I ask what your take on consciousness is?

peace:)

[nectars]

As a spiritual atheist, can I ask what your take on consciousness is?

peace:)

http://rlv.zcache.com/o_dear_card-p137445795796389524tra8_210.jpg

:D

[maddy21]

Saw the video..she did not convince me....

too many holes...

[greenzxy]

I'm a spiritual Atheist
If "god" exists, then I require proof.

Irony at it's finest

[verndewd]

Irony at it's finest

that would technically make him an empiricist eh?

[zsymon]

I'm sorry for the long post, it is not longwinded, I just have a lot to say! :)

Many Guides are Coming.

It is true that many guides, of different sorts, are coming to Earth to help
humanity for a while. Some of these guides are called Universal Guides, they
stay with a Light human for a while, to teach him or help him through a
specific lesson, and then they move off again.

But a massive amount of Light beings have always been with Earth, ever
since the non light invaded Her. The Light has been working to release the
Earth from non light for billions of years, ever since She was created, this
is nothing new. The Light has always worked with all its power to heal the
Earth and help it with its healing and restoration task, the reason so much
harm came to Earth is not because the Light wasn't around to help, but
because the gigantic amount of non light beings and energies that were in
this space when the Earth and this solar system was created.

But it is true that more and more guides are assigned to many people as they
start their spiritual path. In the past many of us did not have specific guides
assigned to us, we were just guided by the Light, by the Divine Mother Earth,
along our paths in life.. now more and more people are receiving individual
guides to help them awaken.. more often than not these guides are beings
from their soul family, but like I said, sometimes a Universal Guide comes to
you for a while, but they don't stay for many years.

The Nature of the Light.

When you feel the Light is trying to communicate with you, it is time to start
your spiritual path, whether it is convenient to you or not. When they come
it means you are ready.. but please keep in mind the true nature of the Light,
so you are not tricked by the many non light beings, demonic, human or alien
alike, that travel through the astral to trick and deceive us.

The Light will never, ever cause you harm.
The Light will never, ever perform surgeries on you.
The Light will never, ever place implants within you.
The Light will never, ever come to you with energies of fear.
The Light will never, ever make you feel tired or depressed.
The Light will never, ever mess with your chakras.
The Light will never, ever take energy from you.
The Light will never, ever give contradicting answers.
The Light will never, ever bring you negative messages.
The Light will never, ever ask you to charge for your healing abilities.
The Light will never, ever be impatient or angry with you.
The Light will never, ever give you negative visions.
The Light will never, ever ask you to astral travel.
The Light will never, ever ask you to use violence against the non light.
The Light will never, ever give you bad dreams or nightmares.
The Light will never, ever give you an uneasy or uncomfortable feeling.
The Light will never, ever give you visions of future doom, as those are lies.
The Light will never, ever appear to you as scary looking beings.

I could go on but this covers the most important things people will experience.
If you contact the Light, or if they contact you, please keep these things in
mind, so you cannot be deceived.

Communication with the Light.

When you communicate with the Light, first ask them for protection, ask them
to place protection around your house, your room and your body, ask them to
place reverse protection around all non light beings that seek to deceive you.
Burning incense and essential oils, and smudging the room with sage, will help
a lot to maintain a clear contact. Also place crystals, large ones if you can
afford them, around yourself and around the room, these will greatly help to
make your heart connection louder than the thoughts of your mind.. so you
cannot be deceived by your own mind, as often it can weave massive illusions
in your thirdeye vision.. these crystals also help shield against the deceptive
energies from the astral.

There are many ways to communicate with the Light, such as pendulooming,
watching muscle tension, asking them to touch your nose or chin, hearing
them in your heart, even hearing their voices loud and clear, channel writing,
visionary or auditory meditations, and so forth. But always make sure you are
in a cleansed space, and your body and area is clear of non light energies.

Many people communicate with the spirit world without taking any precautions
and they often find out after a while, or even after years, that they have been
talking to the non light all along. Hundreds of thousands of books have been
written by people who thought they were in contact with the Light, but ended
up spreading massive amounts of false information.. this is why the vast amount
of spiritual "how to do" books are based on entirely false information. The best
way to learn is not to read books, or listen to gurus and masters, but to find
out the information all by yourself, through connection with the Light through
your heart and third eye chakras.

The Future.

I explained in other posts exactly why I believe this to be so, but I learned that
there will not be a third world war, there will not come a planet Nibiru into our
solar system to cause destruction, there will not come an alien invasion, there
will not be massive earthquakes of volcano outbursts killing millions of people, nor
will there be false flag attacks killing millions of people, no government will wipe
out parts of the population, no massive tsunamis will appear, there will be no mass
floodings, putting entire parts of the continents or islands underwater.. not a single
of the doom and gloom stories you were taught to believe, will ever happen. All
these stories were spread around by the non light, to keep people in fear and to
make them believe that there is no point in going on a spiritual path. They try to
make you buy guns and survival equipment, try to make you give away all you have
to go live in some survival community.. not a single of these doom stories will be
true.. the future looks extremely bright, because the Light has won over the non
light, four years ago.. the power of the non light has been permanently broken, we
were just kept ignorant of this fact, the entire spiritual community was kept away
for this knowledge, although more and more people are starting to realize this, as
more people who have real connections with the Light, are told about this victory
by their guides.

Much love!

[verndewd]

* gasps for air * the words , the words , dont have enough air to read them all *passes out* :p

I agree zsymon

[zsymon]

Heh heh heh, I know I was longwinded again, but I had a lot of stuff to say!
I try hard to not repeat myself, but when I write, it comes from my heart.
Not everything I write comes out clean and undiluted by my mind, but all that
I write had its origin in my heart. Often when I am finished with a post, I have
to reread everything, because I have no idea what I had written down, it just
flowed out of me freely, and my hands moved across my keyboard to manifest
it onto the screen.

I don't think I could be shorter in my posts even if I wanted, because I just
type down everything that comes up from my heart. I am sure in the future
I will learn how to lessen the effect of my mind on my posts, maybe they'll
be shorter then. It's only rarely that when I show my posts to my mentor,
that she disagrees with something, usually she just points me toward a certain
word that is connected to the ego, such as the word enlightenment, among
others. Then she tells me the message of the post is right, just some of the
words need to be changed.

[verndewd]

Heh heh heh, I know I was longwinded again, but I had a lot of stuff to say!
I try hard to not repeat myself, but when I write, it comes from my heart.
Not everything I write comes out clean and undiluted by my mind, but all that
I write had its origin in my heart. Often when I am finished with a post, I have
to reread everything, because I have no idea what I had written down, it just
flowed out of me freely, and my hands moved across my keyboard to manifest
it onto the screen.

I don't think I could be shorter in my posts even if I wanted, because I just
type down everything that comes up from my heart. I am sure in the future
I will learn how to lessen the effect of my mind on my posts, maybe they'll
be shorter then. It's only rarely that when I show my posts to my mentor,
that she disagrees with something, usually she just points me toward a certain
word that is connected to the ego, such as the word enlightenment, among
others. Then she tells me the message of the post is right, just some of the
words need to be changed.

dont fret over it its my issue not yours :D

that being said if you guys dont get busy ill just start moving your threads to my forums for you and then convert them to pdf. :p

[cinder_darkskys]

What the saying a image is a 1000 words
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=832&pictureid=7961

All unspoke, kind of says it all dont you think. for a fragment of the image

Hardly.
I'm a spiritual Atheist and I'm not afraid or frightened. I don't need false or "pretend" hopes in a "god" to live my life and bear upon my mind morals, ethics, and good choices.
If "god" exists, then I require proof. Upon death or change, if "god" is proved to exist, then it shall become Common Sense, instead of based on questionable materials and translated books.

As for your comments, you don't make any sense man. You just ramble incoherently without cause, except to somehow disprove the happy message presented. Then you decide to bash people who don't need to bow to a "god" no one can even show exists.

You sir, need English lessons.

-Peace

I had many years of english and education, I am a dislexic, You should look it up. I should not be able to use the writen word, as well as I do.

As for me disaproving I think I have that right, in fact i feel of all peaple on this this planet, if any one dose have that right to disaprove of some one like this it me, am willing to back it up. 100% to the power of 1000's
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=666&pictureid=7709
As for your believe in god, thats your problum not mine, if you feel you should grovel like a dog. or worshiping in a church, it make no different to me what so ever. After all to me most of you are dead. so what difference to me is your worship of God, There loading the boats man.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=628&pictureid=7947
yum, is that the Jews Black hats in the body of the Spinx, way in the back, held back, yet other freely enter. at the center 1/2 up are those muslums at the 1/2 way point of heaven, stream of souls. Now im sure there Jewish peaple here to as way many good peaples, who pass away.

So why would i give a shit about some one who is possbley out side even the worst of black hat Jewish who come from the Spinx. What have we done our selfs to make this a better world.

Little Grand Mother made these wonderfull videos, and freely posted them for you to watch. At she made and efford to be more then she is, do a bit for the world.

im not try to give you hope in God, im not trying to teach you about god. I dont care what you believe. its not my job, others came for that, you have rejected that.

You dont undrstand the illusion and it NOT for me to tell you whats really happening here.

But maybe you can Ask the Great I AM. to help your ass out. Oh wait thats your self. hey let check your godom out. walk in front this high speed train.

As for her message, I said save the planet Im in. We like water hey bro Im in. been there done that, as they say. Peaple dont listion, they dont want listion.

You are aware of what you are looking at here, and in other imagery i present.

See I think your afraid of the world we all aloud to be created. The US of A reviled as slaves LoL that would freek any one out.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=628&pictureid=7906 Are there 1st nation in the East US of A, yes . There salves to, thats the system. that mythical beast. which clearly is not a myth....
Hey look is that on there right wrist, it seem like left. What the imagery points at, let me think a second what do I keep on my wrist. Who uses this. Banks

Word for word out that old big black book. Displayed at high reslution as the most powerfull religion, goverments brought LOW even be nethen Satan world wide. Any thing that has any thing to do with the Illumiaty crumbes to dust.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=832&pictureid=7965
Well the suprizes are not over, As I say the Eagle must have a second helping of Chicken, and I only serve Chicken. chicken reminds me of Angels, thing about chicken is it teast like every thing, and nothing.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=768&pictureid=7997

My informattion is as sound as a English pound.

Lastly if your going to say I have nothing agaist religion, then bash every one else, then replace all those religions with your own, which based all those religion. You can expect to get your ass kick. that not even going back in to replacing God with self.

Love and Kiss's Skys

[jconnar]

What the saying a image is a 1000 words
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=832&pictureid=7961
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=832&pictureid=7965


I see scary things in these pictures.

[cinder_darkskys]

I see scary things in these pictures.
uhhu
http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1p8l60cjk64bTtwLHTOwz-wF3-GwMfAQ4sQa2UWisDXArHcmuxSxNXXeV2VDob-kE0YEpgOpRo-gzn7WQmTGP1dQ/the-mattrix-neo-001bb.jpg?psid=1
There spooky because you dont understand them. These are the old ones. I menchin in other topics.........
It not time to explain them yet, other then what i all ready said. Big magic jconnar

it all the studdies I have done world wide, the Little GrandMother topic has showing me, we seem to have opption that most peaple, get mixed up with the glammer. seem to miss the point, this i refferance from a book peaple know and can relate this to. Peaple are miss preciving the fact im relating it, on mulitable levels, world wide. there think he promoting religion or God or Christ.

What I did is just taken a few you,
http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pkYr0ufhUUGKCekHPNg1RjbHRiEnfMTELAUsG_iD7ltU_2cg xIuUFpqLCEmH_toTKVqK-OzuGBt1s8qWRLnsUcw/the-mattrix-morphyius001bb.JPG?psid=1
and show you what you are looking at, out side box, Once I pull down the images, all thats left is your words, on what you seen and knew, based on those few broken words and Pics, on this very special lady.

are you muslim?

Unconfurmed Roman Catholic
Makes me a fallower of Christ
I do the like the muslim religion and the Jewish religion as well.

LittleGrandmother view of human bonding, female shaman
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=832&pictureid=7961
The above 1st image is hubby and wife, as seen throw her little GrandMother eyes. This is a stander bonding Glyph. For Male its reversed, male much larger, < key word Ego ). Not little Grand mother, but in the bonding male female. Note she gos on and on about the Earth Goduss.

SkysEtart-Mars-Nasa. They dont have this one :D Conformation Image
Male how men should treat there women
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=622&pictureid=8074
They have son, who above as well.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=666&pictureid=7709

I dont dont know but by her video, I was under the impression, they wanted to go with the star peaple. What with all the white souls around this guy.
http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1p8xnSadql3cPFpaicnFahMShyoZjwKtVqbvOzOlNB7mKSPMb MojCt1Du0Tg-aQymuRm5eXjqaaKpsw6ehkoECsA/the-mattrix01b-angent-001cb.JPG?psid=1
It Kinda make you look at the Holy lands imagery differently.

The second image is I believe that would the Michael (archangel)
This SSX image confurms, how closely are are the same as each other, right down to the mic's on each side of the face. Big cheek, and NOTE the pyramid, in side the head, I said Christ was NOT a small man, and he all around the wanta'be dreamer.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=768&pictureid=7997
This is the same face in the clouds. When religions say nothing about this type of imagery, it should tell you something about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_(archangel)
http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pmWQZDWcVMbCT7Bp56JfhRHraZuJFJpbNrpe1iSy0IQnt0JA UemEuFZ_AicbGpqkk3Gl670atwaLUCray2ZVjLQ/the-mattrix01b-trinity-dodgethis-001bb.JPG?psid=1
The Winged Party Boy, he got some friends with him.

PeaceLovesAll

[jconnar]

uhhu

There spooky because you dont understand them.

Interesting pictures, I don't understand them but I definately see the demons in them.

[blackstar76]

Any picture distorted like that will show all sorts of those kinds of things. With spelling like that along side it I don't put any value in his post.

[cinder_darkskys]

http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pk_E0GDVPhxfQlbM5rQtLqe6P0CJ6GoNTtM88R-CJY8WdivfE91fw-Zluntces93ql0n55MuPKKpIGBHgGQGHDQ/rd-future-echoes-lister001ch.JPG?psid=1

http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pjFAmmvRFqRjrnhFJtJWTjoVz6vgz1w08VACaeA0EvNG2MhW WpBpigQ-uhfFKE6ohr-Yx-MEZAn3zmVxzC0MNuA/14.jpg?psid=1

http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pcsBa0iEAheJ5_faBcufsKCu_H_uBYi91spvdGr70U4kUanp Hxi1sb-c2GDElemU7hzpux7u-7s_MLxen2veoyg/constantine_021805_big.jpg?psid=1

http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pbpGn-TZbaMhREnyT4JiiuIO9uvp1lYvWCUirsD9Fzremd8Aje-culAziMCsQODVrpZ2os6OUppGymh2w20uVnw/bsg-01b-001kh.jpg?psid=1

http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pI6GF83jQ-Nc5uCU44jBeCeCdTbcrcXW0TKm-TzfnZPZ6YdxPZvarusrsi3akWhNgD7c9puoQ-B5PdWCU3NWhKg/bsg2-gaius-baltar-james-001bb.jpg?psid=1
Any picture distorted like that will show all sorts of those kinds of things. With spelling like that along side it I don't put any value in his post.http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pJx39UiG04jidJIrGGOTSwuTWsCUQB-1IRRfRvPPftvKGBivMxJmp3VPuV_4ZaSBeaAkQc57UzT2MFRgK LBn7Ww/constantine-Peter_Stormare_010.jpg?psid=1

You are just afraid Black thats all.
afraid of what you dont know or understand.

There more then 1 dream in this old world, my friend.

I mean how many peaple die in wars all over the world, day to day, or even starvation, what a about abortion, whole sale child porn, street gangs, warlords drug lords, The list is endless.

I put my line in deck, and I back up every word.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=628&pictureid=8071
So what do you care about Black, Your image tells me you see the US of A as Crushed Libery freedom DEAD.

Im sorry man I dont see the US of A like that, I see major fixable problums, it just might take the strongest leaders the US of A ever had to start to fix those problums.

Its never fixed by a weapons, its just a tool, a tool is only a tool if its usefull. Kind of like HELL. I think that pretty usefull place and tool dont you.

It the person that uses the tools and how they use those tools, and do they realize there useing the tools, and which tool are they useing.
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/cinder_darkskys/Skys-Arts-Imagery/skinpatternbnwlines001bcd.jpg
To fix a major problums

[blackstar76]

http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pk_E0GDVPhxfQlbM5rQtLqe6P0CJ6GoNTtM88R-CJY8WdivfE91fw-Zluntces93ql0n55MuPKKpIGBHgGQGHDQ/rd-future-echoes-lister001ch.JPG?psid=1

http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pjFAmmvRFqRjrnhFJtJWTjoVz6vgz1w08VACaeA0EvNG2MhW WpBpigQ-uhfFKE6ohr-Yx-MEZAn3zmVxzC0MNuA/14.jpg?psid=1

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You are just afraid Black thats all.
afraid of what you dont know or understand.

There more then 1 dream in this old world, my friend.

I mean how many peaple die in wars all over the world, day to day, or even starvation, what a about abortion, whole sale child porn, street gangs, warlords drug lords, The list is endless.

I put my line in deck, and I back up every word.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=628&pictureid=8071
So what do you care about Black, Your image tells me you see the US of A as Crushed Libery freedom DEAD.

Im sorry man I dont see the US of A like that, I see major fixable problums, it just might take the strongest leaders the US of A ever had to start to fix those problums.

Its never fixed by a weapon, its just a tool, a tool is only a tool if its usefull. Kind of like HELL. I think that pretty usefull place and tool dont you.

Sorry I should have not insulted your spelling. I just don't understand what you are doing with the pictures? Please explain what it is you are doing?

And yes my Avatar sums up my feelings on the USA. It is an evil empire disquised as liberty and freedom. A fake shiney object.

[verndewd]

in her forums youll get reported to spamhauz.org if you post long information heavy threads. and the admin will be a shit to you :D

Smells like a fuckin cult to me. ;)

[nectars]

What forum?

[verndewd]

What forum?

tribe of many colors forums. i was posting info to get feedback and was accused of treating it like my own website :rolleyes: the admin never denied reporting my IP to spamhauz.org. So I told the little bitch that he made little grandmother look like hitler.

[nectars]

tribe of many colors forums. i was posting info to get feedback and was accused of treating it like my own website :rolleyes: the admin never denied reporting my IP to spamhauz.org. So I told the little bitch that he made little grandmother look like hitler.

lol

Something I've found on alot of forums is admins giving a bad name to the ones their supposed to be representing. Is there any way to contact her directly? May be of value to her to see the thread information in question and the response of the admin involved, see if she herself condones that kind of treatment in her name.

[energi]

I'm sorry for the long post, it is not longwinded, I just have a lot to say! :)

Many Guides are Coming.

It is true that many guides, of different sorts, are coming to Earth to help
humanity for a while. Some of these guides are called Universal Guides, they
stay with a Light human for a while, to teach him or help him through a
specific lesson, and then they move off again.

But a massive amount of Light beings have always been with Earth, ever
since the non light invaded Her. The Light has been working to release the
Earth from non light for billions of years, ever since She was created, this
is nothing new. The Light has always worked with all its power to heal the
Earth and help it with its healing and restoration task, the reason so much
harm came to Earth is not because the Light wasn't around to help, but
because the gigantic amount of non light beings and energies that were in
this space when the Earth and this solar system was created.

But it is true that more and more guides are assigned to many people as they
start their spiritual path. In the past many of us did not have specific guides
assigned to us, we were just guided by the Light, by the Divine Mother Earth,
along our paths in life.. now more and more people are receiving individual
guides to help them awaken.. more often than not these guides are beings
from their soul family, but like I said, sometimes a Universal Guide comes to
you for a while, but they don't stay for many years.

The Nature of the Light.

When you feel the Light is trying to communicate with you, it is time to start
your spiritual path, whether it is convenient to you or not. When they come
it means you are ready.. but please keep in mind the true nature of the Light,
so you are not tricked by the many non light beings, demonic, human or alien
alike, that travel through the astral to trick and deceive us.

The Light will never, ever cause you harm.
The Light will never, ever perform surgeries on you.
The Light will never, ever place implants within you.
The Light will never, ever come to you with energies of fear.
The Light will never, ever make you feel tired or depressed.
The Light will never, ever mess with your chakras.
The Light will never, ever take energy from you.
The Light will never, ever give contradicting answers.
The Light will never, ever bring you negative messages.
The Light will never, ever ask you to charge for your healing abilities.
The Light will never, ever be impatient or angry with you.
The Light will never, ever give you negative visions.
The Light will never, ever ask you to astral travel.
The Light will never, ever ask you to use violence against the non light.
The Light will never, ever give you bad dreams or nightmares.
The Light will never, ever give you an uneasy or uncomfortable feeling.
The Light will never, ever give you visions of future doom, as those are lies.
The Light will never, ever appear to you as scary looking beings.

I could go on but this covers the most important things people will experience.
If you contact the Light, or if they contact you, please keep these things in
mind, so you cannot be deceived.

Communication with the Light.

When you communicate with the Light, first ask them for protection, ask them
to place protection around your house, your room and your body, ask them to
place reverse protection around all non light beings that seek to deceive you.
Burning incense and essential oils, and smudging the room with sage, will help
a lot to maintain a clear contact. Also place crystals, large ones if you can
afford them, around yourself and around the room, these will greatly help to
make your heart connection louder than the thoughts of your mind.. so you
cannot be deceived by your own mind, as often it can weave massive illusions
in your thirdeye vision.. these crystals also help shield against the deceptive
energies from the astral.

There are many ways to communicate with the Light, such as pendulooming,
watching muscle tension, asking them to touch your nose or chin, hearing
them in your heart, even hearing their voices loud and clear, channel writing,
visionary or auditory meditations, and so forth. But always make sure you are
in a cleansed space, and your body and area is clear of non light energies.

Many people communicate with the spirit world without taking any precautions
and they often find out after a while, or even after years, that they have been
talking to the non light all along. Hundreds of thousands of books have been
written by people who thought they were in contact with the Light, but ended
up spreading massive amounts of false information.. this is why the vast amount
of spiritual "how to do" books are based on entirely false information. The best
way to learn is not to read books, or listen to gurus and masters, but to find
out the information all by yourself, through connection with the Light through
your heart and third eye chakras.

The Future.

I explained in other posts exactly why I believe this to be so, but I learned that
there will not be a third world war, there will not come a planet Nibiru into our
solar system to cause destruction, there will not come an alien invasion, there
will not be massive earthquakes of volcano outbursts killing millions of people, nor
will there be false flag attacks killing millions of people, no government will wipe
out parts of the population, no massive tsunamis will appear, there will be no mass
floodings, putting entire parts of the continents or islands underwater.. not a single
of the doom and gloom stories you were taught to believe, will ever happen. All
these stories were spread around by the non light, to keep people in fear and to
make them believe that there is no point in going on a spiritual path. They try to
make you buy guns and survival equipment, try to make you give away all you have
to go live in some survival community.. not a single of these doom stories will be
true.. the future looks extremely bright, because the Light has won over the non
light, four years ago.. the power of the non light has been permanently broken, we
were just kept ignorant of this fact, the entire spiritual community was kept away
for this knowledge, although more and more people are starting to realize this, as
more people who have real connections with the Light, are told about this victory
by their guides.

Much love!
The part about Light not causing negativity in various forms makes total sense. Thanks for a great post :)

[verndewd]

lol

Something I've found on alot of forums is admins giving a bad name to the ones their supposed to be representing. Is there any way to contact her directly? May be of value to her to see the thread information in question and the response of the admin involved, see if she herself condones that kind of treatment in her name.

i am not concerned with her, she is doing the same thing the elite are by selective information dissemination.

[afreeman]

Interesting...

I never wanted help. Spiritual Atheist-ism isn't a disease. lol.

I just believe that there is no "higher authority" then ourselves. Who are you to tell me I can't do something, or that I must do something. Let ones own moral compass guide you.
Personally, I believe in living energy. As such, I guess if you were to combine the entire universe, both known and unknown, dark and light, into one point, you could call that god (everything that is). Yet to say that we need to bow to spirits unseen, and voices unheard, from characters not understood... Nope, you lost me on that one.

"Fear of things invisible is the natural seed of that which everyone in himself calleth religion." - Thomas Hobbes

"Question with boldness even the existence of god; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." -Thomas Jefferson

"We can accept god becoming man to save man, but not man becoming god to save himself." -Vernon Linwood Howard

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure." -M Williamson

Get the idea? To say you are weaker than another automatically casts you in negative vibrations. Why can't all be equal, including "god"? Why must man constantly be ruled by one unseen force or another...

Can't we stop the conspiracy thinking for just a moment and imagine a world where people and god's in some distant land we have never visited or seen aren't ruling the very fundamental aspects of our lives? Please?

Also... What if everyone is wrong? What if religion isn't just another device to control the minds and souls of men? What if Lucifer himself was GOD, and everyone on the face of the planet (except Lucifer Worshippers) is in fact worshipping Satan, thus empowering him to overtake heaven or some other crazy shit.

How do you know? Because of a book? Because someone said? Because you have been taught for all your life that a BOOK has the answers?

What if I had an ad on TV and I promised to deliver to you all the answers you would ever need in your life. Morals, Life-style, Happiness, all yours for the low low price of $39.99. Or, if you call right now, we will ship you our premium "I'm going to heaven" package, including everything you see here! Phone lines are open, call now!!!!


...What would happen? I'd be in jail for fraud.

-Peace

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It is so true!
Stop thinking and look inside!

[cinder_darkskys]

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Sorry I should have not insulted your spelling. I just don't understand what you are doing with the pictures? Please explain what it is you are doing?

And yes my Avatar sums up my feelings on the USA. It is an evil empire disquised as liberty and freedom. A fake shiney object.

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Dont worrie about it blackstar. My spelling is the 1st way peaple meet me. It one of the most commen attacks i get. So your just fallowing the set program bro, so dont worrie about. I will do what ever I have to, to make your unborn, have a chance.
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If I were to put in biblical turm ; Im speaking Serpents. And in general message for them, is I will fight you if you frack with my peaple. And of corce i'm ripping down any thing related such as the old illimiaty, religion who are disorgized, and can not relate to each other, they blowed under 1st.

That you Blackstar, and every person on this planet.Good bad and ugly, I hope this helps.

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They Live
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I believe in America and in that dream, of freedom, its just miss used.

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PeaceLovesAll
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[cinder_darkskys]

What forum?

in her forums youll get reported to spamhauz.org if you post long information heavy threads. and the admin will be a shit to you :D

Smells like a fuckin cult to me. ;)

What forum?

tribe of many colors forums. i was posting info to get feedback and was accused of treating it like my own website :rolleyes: the admin never denied reporting my IP to spamhauz.org. So I told the little bitch that he made little grandmother look like hitler.

lol

Something I've found on alot of forums is admins giving a bad name to the ones their supposed to be representing. Is there any way to contact her directly? May be of value to her to see the thread information in question and the response of the admin involved, see if she herself condones that kind of treatment in her name.

Did you grab an ADDY from the site. I like to take a little peak'a'boo. at the Bug'A'Boos, if there any.

The part about Light not causing negativity in various forms makes total sense. Thanks for a great post :)

i am not concerned with her, she is doing the same thing the elite are by selective information dissemination.

There fallowing a program. Just like how Black acted to my spelling. This why I asked peaple do you know who the Illuminati are right now. where they can be found.

Interesting...

I never wanted help. Spiritual Atheist-ism isn't a disease. lol.

I just believe that there is no "higher authority" then ourselves. Who are you to tell me I can't do something, or that I must do something. Let ones own moral compass guide you.
Personally, I believe in living energy. As such, I guess if you were to combine the entire universe, both known and unknown, dark and light, into one point, you could call that god (everything that is). Yet to say that we need to bow to spirits unseen, and voices unheard, from characters not understood... Nope, you lost me on that one.

"Fear of things invisible is the natural seed of that which everyone in himself calleth religion." - Thomas Hobbes

"Question with boldness even the existence of god; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." -Thomas Jefferson

"We can accept god becoming man to save man, but not man becoming god to save himself." -Vernon Linwood Howard

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure." -M Williamson

Get the idea? To say you are weaker than another automatically casts you in negative vibrations. Why can't all be equal, including "god"? Why must man constantly be ruled by one unseen force or another...

Can't we stop the conspiracy thinking for just a moment and imagine a world where people and god's in some distant land we have never visited or seen aren't ruling the very fundamental aspects of our lives? Please?

Also... What if everyone is wrong? What if religion isn't just another device to control the minds and souls of men? What if Lucifer himself was GOD, and everyone on the face of the planet (except Lucifer Worshippers) is in fact worshipping Satan, thus empowering him to overtake heaven or some other crazy shit.

How do you know? Because of a book? Because someone said? Because you have been taught for all your life that a BOOK has the answers?

What if I had an ad on TV and I promised to deliver to you all the answers you would ever need in your life. Morals, Life-style, Happiness, all yours for the low low price of $39.99. Or, if you call right now, we will ship you our premium "I'm going to heaven" package, including everything you see here! Phone lines are open, call now!!!!


...What would happen? I'd be in jail for fraud.

-Peace

This was a planet of love, before this showed up. it and object that is Alive and not of Earth, where dose it fall from The Heavens. it reconized a dark force, beyound understanding. What the saying about lucifer.

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Also... What if everyone is wrong? What if religion isn't just another device to control the minds and souls of men? What if Lucifer himself was GOD, and everyone on the face of the planet (except Lucifer Worshippers) is in fact worshipping Satan, thus empowering him to overtake heaven or some other crazy shit.

Note in this he armed, to face and tame the wilds of the Earth.
Where is the clouds, are they clouds, Or is that something else witness the event.

look are those angels or greys. The eyes in the angels, behind the 2 humans holding the sword.

where he steps demons fallow to each step. Sword point down, hand pointing at the clouds, but shielded by his wing Art, Cool stuff uh.
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What if Lucifer himself was GOD; No. Better to rule in hell then rain in heaven. Galaxic not planetary, he know he can not win a battle.

lucifer is an angel, who falls to Earth< its a symbol for taboo touch on pain of death). He came from where they believed heaven was or in the Heavens were. lucifer has no need to be God. he is in sevatude to god, one of many on a galaxic level, probly inter galaxic on EVERY living planet, out there, most likly .

Hell is lucifer domain, Hell is huge in it self. The Land of the dead is biger, these are the lowest houses of God. after this its the pit and destuction. At least at this time this what the imagery tells me over all about, the whole, look at the lowest hafe.

I meen ask your self would realy ever want to be even a God, let alone the heavenly father. I meen look at how we treat his wife mother Earth

It is so true!
Stop thinking and look inside!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=832&pictureid=8084
She not the Devil; She is a Shaman ; so before any one gos crazys. This is in side the matrix, < out of the BOX, and your looking in ) I explain this early on. It what they< a shaman ) are and do, is what im showing you. confirmation < to me ) yes she is a Shaman.

It done not make her right or wrong it makes her a shaman. They for she might have something to say, thats worth listtioning.

She not wrong there here, and doing there thing. She not wrong when she say this year or early next there will be contact, public. the US of A is beating hand over fist to get the informattion out. Ps I love the EB Video ty boys,

There something go on in the world, this a Metron, like the ones, we have been seeing. these have been showing up, This one seem is basicly empty, its my oppinion.

The image above would be one her for-father- very old. Even the 2 white object behind her, meen something over her shoulder. The black rings is there symbol for there spritial beleive, on the side of death, or the unknown.

in other topic, long before this new image, there have been severial topic about Litha Adam 1st wife. Each i menchin a differants in the Lips. If you have seen my Alpha Glyph, again there upper lip difference.

there is nothing evil in the any of the images expect what Angel do battle with, this symbol is the symbol of ILLIUSION. So you Cant see What the Angels are fighting, there Backs are to the Metron which symbolisium is DEFENCE.....

Lastly the pyramid symbol, at the bottem, an Earthly object, that ground level. pyramid symbol = Sleep It pretty small. Other images show it biger.

The Fx's on these IMAGEs ; RAW. there is a over lap image. happens all the time in 1 splite second 2 frams over lap. unforgentaly Shots of these kind all most never happen. I seen it in the video, and try to explain it. Fx's Code miroring, if you have a good image.

How ever the data is still Raw, its like look at a book you cant read. this is just what peaple know. Thats why I call it raw, several artists had the touch.

I think David would love it if, I found a shots like this of him, or Mr. Credo, the dalai lama, even the pope, It just dose not work that way. I look for these things.

Enjoy the imagery
PeaceLovesAll

[zsymon]

Interesting...

I never wanted help. Spiritual Atheist-ism isn't a disease. lol.

I just believe that there is no "higher authority" then ourselves. Who are you to tell me I can't do something, or that I must do something. Let ones own moral compass guide you.
Personally, I believe in living energy. As such, I guess if you were to combine the entire universe, both known and unknown, dark and light, into one point, you could call that god (everything that is). Yet to say that we need to bow to spirits unseen, and voices unheard, from characters not understood... Nope, you lost me on that one.

"Fear of things invisible is the natural seed of that which everyone in himself calleth religion." - Thomas Hobbes

"Question with boldness even the existence of god; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." -Thomas Jefferson

"We can accept god becoming man to save man, but not man becoming god to save himself." -Vernon Linwood Howard

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure." -M Williamson

Get the idea? To say you are weaker than another automatically casts you in negative vibrations. Why can't all be equal, including "god"? Why must man constantly be ruled by one unseen force or another...

Can't we stop the conspiracy thinking for just a moment and imagine a world where people and god's in some distant land we have never visited or seen aren't ruling the very fundamental aspects of our lives? Please?

Also... What if everyone is wrong? What if religion isn't just another device to control the minds and souls of men? What if Lucifer himself was GOD, and everyone on the face of the planet (except Lucifer Worshippers) is in fact worshipping Satan, thus empowering him to overtake heaven or some other crazy shit.

How do you know? Because of a book? Because someone said? Because you have been taught for all your life that a BOOK has the answers?

What if I had an ad on TV and I promised to deliver to you all the answers you would ever need in your life. Morals, Life-style, Happiness, all yours for the low low price of $39.99. Or, if you call right now, we will ship you our premium "I'm going to heaven" package, including everything you see here! Phone lines are open, call now!!!!


...What would happen? I'd be in jail for fraud.

-Peace

I very much like your post, a truly interesting and refreshing perspective.

Thank you. :)

[gaias child]

I'm sorry for the long post, it is not longwinded, I just have a lot to say! :)

Many Guides are Coming.

It is true that many guides, of different sorts, are coming to Earth to help
humanity for a while. Some of these guides are called Universal Guides, they
stay with a Light human for a while, to teach him or help him through a
specific lesson, and then they move off again.

But a massive amount of Light beings have always been with Earth, ever
since the non light invaded Her. The Light has been working to release the
Earth from non light for billions of years, ever since She was created, this
is nothing new. The Light has always worked with all its power to heal the
Earth and help it with its healing and restoration task, the reason so much
harm came to Earth is not because the Light wasn't around to help, but
because the gigantic amount of non light beings and energies that were in
this space when the Earth and this solar system was created.

But it is true that more and more guides are assigned to many people as they
start their spiritual path. In the past many of us did not have specific guides
assigned to us, we were just guided by the Light, by the Divine Mother Earth,
along our paths in life.. now more and more people are receiving individual
guides to help them awaken.. more often than not these guides are beings
from their soul family, but like I said, sometimes a Universal Guide comes to
you for a while, but they don't stay for many years.

The Nature of the Light.

When you feel the Light is trying to communicate with you, it is time to start
your spiritual path, whether it is convenient to you or not. When they come
it means you are ready.. but please keep in mind the true nature of the Light,
so you are not tricked by the many non light beings, demonic, human or alien
alike, that travel through the astral to trick and deceive us.

The Light will never, ever cause you harm.
The Light will never, ever perform surgeries on you.
The Light will never, ever place implants within you.
The Light will never, ever come to you with energies of fear.
The Light will never, ever make you feel tired or depressed.
The Light will never, ever mess with your chakras.
The Light will never, ever take energy from you.
The Light will never, ever give contradicting answers.
The Light will never, ever bring you negative messages.
The Light will never, ever ask you to charge for your healing abilities.
The Light will never, ever be impatient or angry with you.
The Light will never, ever give you negative visions.
The Light will never, ever ask you to astral travel.
The Light will never, ever ask you to use violence against the non light.
The Light will never, ever give you bad dreams or nightmares.
The Light will never, ever give you an uneasy or uncomfortable feeling.
The Light will never, ever give you visions of future doom, as those are lies.
The Light will never, ever appear to you as scary looking beings.

I could go on but this covers the most important things people will experience.
If you contact the Light, or if they contact you, please keep these things in
mind, so you cannot be deceived.

Communication with the Light.

When you communicate with the Light, first ask them for protection, ask them
to place protection around your house, your room and your body, ask them to
place reverse protection around all non light beings that seek to deceive you.
Burning incense and essential oils, and smudging the room with sage, will help
a lot to maintain a clear contact. Also place crystals, large ones if you can
afford them, around yourself and around the room, these will greatly help to
make your heart connection louder than the thoughts of your mind.. so you
cannot be deceived by your own mind, as often it can weave massive illusions
in your thirdeye vision.. these crystals also help shield against the deceptive
energies from the astral.

There are many ways to communicate with the Light, such as pendulooming,
watching muscle tension, asking them to touch your nose or chin, hearing
them in your heart, even hearing their voices loud and clear, channel writing,
visionary or auditory meditations, and so forth. But always make sure you are
in a cleansed space, and your body and area is clear of non light energies.

Many people communicate with the spirit world without taking any precautions
and they often find out after a while, or even after years, that they have been
talking to the non light all along. Hundreds of thousands of books have been
written by people who thought they were in contact with the Light, but ended
up spreading massive amounts of false information.. this is why the vast amount
of spiritual "how to do" books are based on entirely false information. The best
way to learn is not to read books, or listen to gurus and masters, but to find
out the information all by yourself, through connection with the Light through
your heart and third eye chakras.

The Future.

I explained in other posts exactly why I believe this to be so, but I learned that
there will not be a third world war, there will not come a planet Nibiru into our
solar system to cause destruction, there will not come an alien invasion, there
will not be massive earthquakes of volcano outbursts killing millions of people, nor
will there be false flag attacks killing millions of people, no government will wipe
out parts of the population, no massive tsunamis will appear, there will be no mass
floodings, putting entire parts of the continents or islands underwater.. not a single
of the doom and gloom stories you were taught to believe, will ever happen. All
these stories were spread around by the non light, to keep people in fear and to
make them believe that there is no point in going on a spiritual path. They try to
make you buy guns and survival equipment, try to make you give away all you have
to go live in some survival community.. not a single of these doom stories will be
true.. the future looks extremely bright, because the Light has won over the non
light, four years ago.. the power of the non light has been permanently broken, we
were just kept ignorant of this fact, the entire spiritual community was kept away
for this knowledge, although more and more people are starting to realize this, as
more people who have real connections with the Light, are told about this victory
by their guides.

Much love!


Thanks for this, great post. :)

[cinder_darkskys]

a·the·ist [ áythee ist ] (plural a·the·ists)
noun
Definition:
unbeliever in God or deities: somebody who does not believe in God or deities.

God or deities
is spirituality is earlier then religion. It seems more cental to the smaller cultures, where a serperated governing systems are in place, Kings and Chiefs.

religion is about, the greator spiritual of the whole body of populations, where by a great numbers of peaple pretty much believe the same things, within the greator sociaty.

both have there pros and cons.

Mind control, Both parties believe the other is under mind control, because of there believes. Atheist try to side bar them selfs, but they cant.

Paranoid

Mind control Altera ; All parties have there counter oppositional

just an oppinion.

I am 50 years old, and i never meet one < atheist ) before, Oh many say they are.

every time i get to talk to someone about it. at the end of the subject, when they boil it all down. they come up with some thing like a sorce, a all pressents, but its not God in there oppinion, just a sorce Oh ya it loving. Of corce the Free masons believe, The god pressent to be the great architect. The 1st nation believe he is the the great sprite's. Christians Christ been the son of god

There always some thing to id the great sleep comand

We all do

[cinder_darkskys]

What this IC

Show stopper uh a.

PeaceLovesAll

[cinder_darkskys]

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He can not turn his back on another human.
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Shamanism
Shamanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

term referencing a range of beliefs and practices regarding communication with the spiritual world.[2] A practitioner of shamanism is known as a shaman (pronounced /ˈʃɑːmən/ "SHAH-men"or /ˈʃeɪmən/ "SHAY-men").[3]

Shamanism encompasses the belief that shamans are intermediaries or messengers between the human world and the spirit worlds. Shamans are said to treat ailments/illness by mending the soul. Alleviating traumas affecting the soul/spirit restores the physical body of the individual to balance and wholeness. The shaman also enters supernatural realms or dimensions to obtain solutions to problems afflicting the community. Shamans may visit other worlds/dimensions to bring guidance to misguided souls and to ameliorate illnesses of the human soul caused by foreign elements. The shaman operates primarily within the spiritual world, which in turn affects the human world. The restoration of balance results in the elimination of the ailment

5 Regional variations
5.1 Gender and sexuality
5.2 Siberia
5.3 Europe
5.4 Asia
5.4.1 China
5.4.2 Korea
5.4.3 Japan
5.4.4 Cyprus
5.4.5 Other Asian traditions
5.5 Inuit and Eskimo cultures
5.5.1 Diversity, with some similarities
5.6 Africa
5.7 Americas
5.7.1 North America
5.7.2 Extirpation of Shamanism in North America
5.7.3 South America
5.7.4 Mesoamerican Shamanism
5.7.5 Circumpolar Shamanism
5.7.6 Amazonia
5.7.7 Mapuche
5.7.8 Fuegians
5.8 Oceania
5.9 Contemporary Western Shamanism

Totem pole
Totem pole - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Property
Each culture typically has complex rules and customs regarding designs represented on poles. The designs themselves are generally considered the property of a particular clan or family group, and this ownership may not be transferred to the owner of a pole. As such, pictures, paintings, and other copies of the designs are often seen as an infringement of possessory rights of a certain family or cultural group. Many Native artists, Native organizations and Native governments note that the ownership of the artistic designs represented on a pole should be respected as private property to the same extent that the pole itself is property, and request that public display and sale of pictures and other representations of totem pole designs should be cleared with both the owners of the pole and the cultural group or tribal government associated with the designs on the pole.

However totem poles in general are not the exclusive cultural property of a single culture, so the designs are not easily protected. The appropriation by art and tourist trinket worlds of Northwest Coast American culture has resulted in, among other things, an inundation of cheap imitations of totem poles executed with little or no knowledge of the complex stylistic conventions demanded by Northwest Coast art. These include imitation styles made by other First Nations and Native American peoples in the various parts of Canada and the American Southwest. This proliferation of "totem junk" has diluted the public interest and respect for the artistic skill and deep cultural knowledge required to produce a pole.

In the early 1990s, the Haisla First Nation of the Pacific Northwest began a lengthy struggle to repatriate a sacred totem from Sweden's Museum of Ethnography.[6][7] Their successful efforts were documented in a NFB documentary by Gil Cardinal, Totem: The Return of the G'psgolox Pole.

Ark of the Covenant

The Ark of the Covenant (Hebrew: אָרוֹן הָבְּרִית‎ Ārōn Hāb’rīt [modern pron. Aron Habrit]; Arabic: تابوت العهد‎ Tābūt Al-ʿahd) is a vessel described in the Bible as containing the Tablets of Stone on which the Ten Commandments were inscribed, along with Aaron's rod and manna. According to the Pentateuch, the Ark was built at the command of God, in accord with Moses' prophetic vision on Mount Sinai (Exodus 25:10-16). God was said to have communicated with Moses "from between the two cherubim" on the Ark's cover (Exodus 25:22). The Ark and its sanctuary were considered "the beauty of Israel" (Lamentations 2:1). Rashi and some Midrashim suggest that there were two arks - a temporary one made by Moses himself, and a later one constructed by Bezalel.[1]


The Ethiopian Orthodox Church claims to possess the Ark of the Covenant or tabot in Axum. The object is now kept under guard in a treasury near the Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion, and used occasionally in ritual processions.[11] But versions of the Axum tabot are kept in every Ethiopian church, each with its own dedication to a particular saint, most popularly Mary, George and Michael.[12]

The Kebra Nagast, composed to legitimise the new dynasty ruling Ethiopia following its establishment in 1270, narrates how the real Ark of the Covenant was brought to Ethiopia by Menelik I with divine assistance, while a forgery was left in the Temple in Jerusalem. Although the Kebra Nagast is the best-known account of this belief, this belief predates this document. Abu Salih the Armenian, writing in the last quarter of the twelfth century, makes one early reference to this belief that they possessed the Ark. "The Abyssinians possess also the Ark of the Covenant", he wrote, then after a description of the object describes how the liturgy is celebrated upon the Ark four times a year: "on the feast of the great nativity, on the feast of the glorious Baptism, on the feast of the holy Resurrection, and on the feast of the illuminating Cross."[13]

On 25 June 2009, the patriarch of the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia, Abuna Paulos, said he would announce to the world the next day the unveiling of the Ark of the Covenant, which he said had been kept safe and secure in a church in Axum, Ethiopia.[14] The following day, on 26 June 2009, the patriarch announced that he would not unveil the Ark after all, but that instead he could attest to its current status.[15]
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Ark_of_the_Covenant_church_in_Axum_Ethiopia.jpg
The Chapel of the Tablet at the Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion in Axum allegedly houses the original Ark of the Covenant

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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She say ; I dont question my sorce, you are you own god. Heal the earth, water is a limited, there here, you cant do any thing, matter of fact way of saying it. your science wont under stand, her grand father says. your not born from Earth its a universe deal, and the Earth is a special, which we have been mistreating her < mother Earth ), only the most strongest are born here to day from all over the the universe.

On the other side of the world.

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Holder of passed wisdoms, we have to protect our children there reppys here.
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[cinder_darkskys]

Some one must of done some thing right, or I would not be posting.

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This is not a white man.
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If i notice you, I will look.

Skys

[ashangel]

I found this to be right on the money (heh heh so to speak) Please take the time to watch all 10 segments~:o♥

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK5OOfEmut4&feature=player_embedded

Thank you. :)

[verndewd]

both tribes that she said called her to be a medicine woman, they dont say shaman in native american culture, the say specifically "medicine" and there is a really good reason for that. But anyway , both salish and navajo denounce her claims. In fact they are considering class action against her. She is also proven to be non native american blood at all.

She has pissed off a lot of people in the tribes. check the thread keisha is a fraud on her facebook page and there is a facebook group of native americans who are persuing this rather rudely :D

I would caution against joining that group, They seem to be racially motivated.

[constantresearcher]

this woman is a big time fraud. I'm not sure yet if she is just your run of the mill scammer, or a mind controlled slave. The mentioning of the norway sprial was the red flag for me, and sent me searching more about her immediately.

I found the below statement from a blogger on 2012forum.com

http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21114&start=15


Please read this:

Tribe of Many Colors or Tribe of Many Dollars?
By Dr. Al Carroll

Kiesha Crowther AKA “Little Grandmother” has garnered a lot of attention, over a thousand followers, perhaps millions in cash, and even more controversy in less than two years. ...Falsely claiming to be the “shaman” for the “Sioux Salish tribe,” Crowther has gathered an all white, mostly European “Tribe of Many Colors” around her with bizarre claims. Native activists and former followers have vowed to oppose her and expose her.

From Santa Fe to Sweden, Denmark, Germany, and the Netherlands, and soon to that most “American Indian” of places, Palm Springs, Kiesha Crowther draws crowds of hundreds with each gathering of ceremony selling, charging from several hundred to up to $6,000 a person. Crowther is a small red haired woman of 33, yet looks young enough to be a teenager. Adding to the strangeness, Crowther calls herself “Little Grandmother” (she is not one) and often talks in a little girl voice with fanciful (and largely false) stories about her childhood.

Crowther mixes in stories of vulnerability with dire prophecies of doom and fantastic claims, none of which are true. She claims to be the “shaman” for the “Sioux Salish tribe.” She claims to be the descendant of famous Lakota and Salish leaders, with a “fullblood Indian mother” and a grandmother supposedly on the reservation. Crowther claims to be made “shaman” by an alleged Salish elder named Falling Feathers. She claims to be recognized by dozens of tribes from New Zealand to United States to the Arctic Circle to Scandinavia to Central America. She claims to have been recognized by Native tribes at as young as age eight and to be the fulfillment of a supposed prophecy about a “fair haired girl.” She even suggests in one video that she is the returned White Buffalo Calf Woman of Lakota prophecy, a claim sure to outrage the Plains Indian tribes that hold the prophecy sacred.

Yet not a single one of these claims are true. Most are extremely obvious lies.

Who Is The Real Kiesha Crowther?

The real Kiesha Crowther was born Kiesha Rae Kreps in Sanford, Colorado, to a white middle class background, with a truck driver father and a mother owning small businesses. Her mother’s maiden name is Rodda. The Salish tribe she claims to have ancestry from do not have a single known person named Crowther, Kreps, or Rodda, either enrolled or known to the small and close knit community. (Most Salish have Irish last names given them by missionaries. A few Salish have traditional names, but none are ever translated into English.) The Salish elders in fact issued a public statement, saying officially she is not their “shaman,” asking her to quit claiming so, and pointing out no Salish had ever even heard of her. Their statement in full is at the end of this article.

Contrary to Crowther/Krep’s claim of a “fullblood Indian” mother and grandmother, there is no evidence of any Native ancestry in her family line. Her family ancestry has been traced back to her great-grandparents from England. Every census form lists all of her ancestors as white. No one else in the family has ever claimed to be or identified as American Indian, including her mother and grandmother. The only Natives in the family are two children (with no relation by blood) adopted by an uncle near Missoula, Montana. Kiesha Crowther’s mother and other family members have in fact urged her repeatedly to quit lying about the family ancestry.

Kiesha Kreps was raised as a Mormon and baptized into the Mormon Church at age eight at the same time she claims to have been recognized by Indian tribes and living alone in the woods. Crowther was married in the Mormon Church in Littleton, Colorado, and was a practicing member of the church only two years ago. She is married with two children, but separated from her husband and estranged from her entire family due to her “calling.”

In fact, absolutely no one in her family backs her claims of Native ancestry or being a “shaman.” A source very close to the family called her a “fraud” and “elaborate liar.” Numerous stories Kiesha Crowther tells at paid ceremonies are described as “lies,” such as claiming to have lived alone in the woods, nursing a dying owl, and being recognized by tribal leaders. The young Kiesha Kreps was actually fairly popular in school and not the lonely isolated kid she claims. Crowther's stranger lies include once giving a "Viking treasure ring" to her sister, who then noted one could see the trademark symbol on it.

The same source close to the family also claims Crowther’s veterinary degree is fake and came from an online degree mill, with the "degree" printed in notebook style paper rather than the stock paper degrees generally come on. It was also confirmed an animal rescue group Crowther claimed to have started is phony. The same source says Crowther plagiarized the poems she claimed to write and largely copied the paintings and other artwork she did.

Even Kiesha Crowther’s online biography as an artist is filled with falsehoods. She claimed to have been awarded Poet of the Year in 2003, 2004, and 2005 in separate cities. The “awards” are given out by the International Society of Poets, a pay to publish outfit that will include you in vanity editions for twenty five dollars each. She claimed her poem “Reach For My Hands” was made into a song by the “Willow Folk Group.” There is no sign of such a group, but there is a Willow Folk Festival in England. She claimed one of her poems was published in a book, “Poems for Peace,” chosen by former First Lady Laura Bush. There is no sign of the book nor of Laura Bush’s involvement, unless one counts her refusing to show up at a gathering of poets reciting poems opposed to the Iraq War. Crowther’s bio also claims she was “awarded the Life Experience Bachelors and holds a Masters Degree of Art from Almeda University.” Almeda University is an unaccredited online degree mill. In a 2004 expose by CBS News, a reporter successfully got his dog awarded a degree from Almeda.

How It All Began For a Would Be Shaman

Kiesha Crowther/Krep’s claims of how she became a “shaman” have changed rapidly and dramatically in less than two years since she began. In April of 2010, Crowther made the claim she originally had gotten a phone call from a group of all the Salish elders who told her she was the “fair haired child of prophecy” and they had a sacred bundle waiting for her made centuries ago.

But in June of 2010, that account changed. She claims instead an unnamed “Sioux man” made her a shaman.

That same month, Crowther also claimed she was made shaman by a group of “grandmothers” of both the Salish and “Sioux” tribes.

(Note for non-Native people: Natives generally don’t refer to the “Sioux” since this is an outdated outsider’s term. The actual tribes are called the Dakota, Lakota, and Nakoda, often called collectively the Lakota. There are dozens of Lakota bands at reservations and reserves. The Salish is an entirely different people and culture.)

In December 2010, Crowther’s story changed dramatically. No longer was there any mention of groups of women elders, nor of “Sioux men.” Instead she now claims there was a single Salish elder she calls Falling Feathers who made her “shaman for the Sioux and Salish tribes.”

There is no evidence at all that Falling Feathers ever existed, other than Crowther’s claims. Crowther claims he was an important elder, so widely known she assumed he was speaking for all Salish elders. The Salish elders have never heard of him and neither have any other Salish contacted for this article. His alleged name does not fit typical Salish names, which are either Irish or traditional Salish names not translated into English.

Conveniently, Crowther claims Falling Feathers recently died. There is no mention on tribal sites of a prominent elder dying recently. Crowther’s supporter, manager, and longtime friend Jennifer Ferraro also claims Falling Feathers was a member of the “governing council” for the “Confederated Sioux Salish.” Neither of those exists, but there is a tribal council for the Confederated Salish and Kootenai. The Lakota bands and tribes, as mentioned before, are spread across over two dozen reservations and reserves.

Only a few days after her December statement, Crowther changed her story in the most drastic way yet. She now claims to have never been teaching Native ways at all. This despite dressing up in American Indian regalia (though it was a shirt only worn by Native males), using what she seems to have believed was American Indian face paint, using what she claims was a Native pipe, and claiming her initiation came from Native elders, or alternately, a single Native elder who has passed away no one else ever heard of.

Crowther has also continually claimed the endorsement of numerous indigenous elders and other religious leaders, without evidence. Many of those she claims are Native elders actually are imposters.

She claims the endorsement of Cherokee elders. None of the traditional Cherokee elders in the Eastern Band ever heard of her.

She claims to have been recognized as a shaman by “lamas of Nepal and Tibet.” There are hundreds of such Buddhist teachers, but the only one she ever named was Lakha Lama, whom she met in Sweden. Lakha Lama gave her a blessing when Crowther asked for one, but this is neither an endorsement nor recognition, only kind words. Buddhist lamas, like American Indian traditionalists, also condemn teaching for a fee, especially very high fees as Crowther does.

Crowther also for a time claimed Sammi elders in Sweden authorized and endorsed her. Then her claim was removed from her websites. She further claimed Inuit elders gave her a crystal “from the North Pole” and that she was “giving the crystal back to the Sammi” when she buried the crystal in Sweden. There is no land, only ice at the North Pole. Crystals do not form in ice, only in land. Geologists consulted for this story say it likely is an ordinary crystal bought in a shop for less than 200 dollars, one dug up by strip mining.

On one of her visits to Sweden she claimed all Native tribes recognized and endorsed her, and that she was shaman for all of them. Since there are over 500 tribes in the US alone, the absurdity of this claim is obvious.

More recently, Crowther also claimed she was made shaman by a “Sioux” named Grandmother Lota or Lootha. Crowther also claims to be related to “Sioux” she calls Ciqalah Lotah and Ciqala Jensen. Fluent Lakota speakers we spoke to pointed out those words do not exist in the Lakota language. No one in any of the Lakota communities we contacted ever heard of Crowther or the people she claims to be related to or authorized her.

Crowther also claims the endorsement of Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez, sometimes called Wandering Wolf. Perez is a Mayan leader who appears on a number of New Age sites. However, there is no evidence of Perez ever endorsing Crowther. Perez is actually on record as strongly disagreeing and even mocking the claims of Crowther and other that the world will end in 2012. The maker of a documentary on Perez and Crowther denounced in fierce terms the “exploitation” of Perez by New Agers such as Crowther.

Crowther also is an associate of and claims the endorsement of two imposters who falsely claim to be Native elders, Adam DeArmon, a white New Age operator in Sedona, and John Kimmey, a white New Ager barred from the Hopi reservation and condemned by Hopi spiritual leaders for selling ceremony and making false claims.

The (All White) Tribe of Many Colors

Why would a self styled “shaman” who spent most of two years claiming Native elders authorized her suddenly claims to have never been doing Native teachings? Numerous family and friends of Crowther’s followers, as well as former followers, began to ask Native activists about the authenticity of her claims. By September of 2010, the chorus of criticism began to rise and put Crowther and her management on the defensive.

Crowther’s following she dubbed the Tribe of Many Colors has some striking characteristics. It has absolutely no Native members at all (including Crowther.) Outside of a member of Crowther’s management team, all seem to be exclusively white. Much like the Tea Party, they are also prone to throwing around the claim that they are hated supposedly for being white.

Such a claim falls apart because many of her critics are themselves white, especially former followers. The claim is even more striking because of the racism in some of the imagery and words used by Crowther and her “tribe.” In one trip to Sweden, Crowther spoke about the alleged superiority of Swedish people over all others. Crowther frequently claims all Native elders, or even all Native people, are supporting her, waiting for her, and depend upon her and her message even for their very survival. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. Most Natives never heard of her. Those that have are strongly opposed to her.

Who is behind Crowther’s rapid rise among New Age leaders? Our source very close to the family says Crowther has no computer skills nor business or organizing acumen, nothing that could account for her success except a vivid imagination. The same source attributes everything Crowther has done to two people and one group; Adam DeArmon AKA Adam Yellowbird, a white New Age operator in Sedona; Santa Fe Soul, which sponsors some of Crowther’s talks; and especially Crowther’s longtime friend Jennifer Ferraro. Our source described Fierro as a failed performance artist who claims to be Native but is actually Italian and Greek. Online discussions between Crowther and Ferraro seem to show Ferraro as the real brains of the operation, the power behind the throne, her manager, website operator, and even her director. Crowther defers to her in public talks, and Ferraro frequently talks in one messages to Crowther like a mother to a small child.

Our source close to the family is worried the Tribe of Many Colors will "become another Jonestown" and is at a loss for how her family can get her to see sense. Whether the “tribe” self destruct violently is yet to be seen, but they are extraordinarily intolerant of dissent or criticism of any kind. Its website was heavily censored, with any daring to question Crowther kicked out. Recently their website was so overwhelmed by dealing with criticism it was taken down entirely. Crowther’s inner circle, especially Ferraro, have begun throwing around legal threats at any who dare to critique Crowther. Ferraro, though she is not a lawyer, sent threats to sue to at least five people. The “tribe” also sent infiltrators to sites critical to Crowther to gather information on critics.

There are currently plans for a book by Crowther, and two documentaries, one favorable to her and one critical. There are also ongoing plans for protests of Crowther’s ceremony selling by Native activists and her many non-Native critics. The Salish tribal council is considering legal action. The controversy is not going away.

Dr. Al Carroll is a historian, professor, former Fulbright Scholar, and activist for Native causes. His first book is Medicine Bags and Dog Tags: American Indian Veterans From Colonial Times to the Second Iraq War from University of Nebraska Press.

Research for this article includes contributions by numerous activists, former followers, Sky Davis and T. Tavares, and a source very close to the Crowther family. Annika Banfeld translated articles and radio interviews from Swedish to English.

Statement of the Salish Elders:

"The Culture and Elders Committee of the Confederated Salish and Kootenai Tribes of the Flathead Reservation protect the intangible cultural resources of the tribes including language, songs, stories etc.

"No tribal Elders or elders have met with nor do they condone the claims and actions made by Kiesha Crowther.

"She is not their 'shaman', she has no right to claim this title and the Elders and elders of CSKT of the Flathead Reservation would like her to cease and desist immediately from making such false claims that erode the traditions that members of the CSKT Culture and Elders Committee are trying to preserve."

The posting of this statement came with the permission and urging of the Salish elders. Anyone doubting this message's authenticity can contact the Flathead Reservation.





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djhyperspace Post subject: Re: Kiesha Crowther - delusional, fraud or the real deal?Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:33 am


2012 Elder

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Location: Illiniois ... OrbitalSponge, welcome to the forum, first off.

Second, that article about sums up everything eh??

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[theramblingpoet]

Well then that was very interesting and informative well she's a rich fake who most likely be sued and have to pay the Indians gee what a wonderful orchestration I can only think did the INDIANS SET THIS WHOLE THING UP TO GET PAID?
It is very possible.

[verndewd]

this woman is a big time fraud. I'm not sure yet if she is just your run of the mill scammer, or a mind controlled slave. The mentioning of the norway sprial was the red flag for me, and sent me searching more about her immediately.

I found the below statement from a blogger on 2012forum.com

http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21114&start=15


Please read this:

Tribe of Many Colors or Tribe of Many Dollars?
By Dr. Al Carroll

Kiesha Crowther AKA “Little Grandmother” has garnered a lot of attention, over a thousand followers, perhaps millions in cash, and even more controversy in less than two years. ...Falsely claiming to be the “shaman” for the “Sioux Salish tribe,” Crowther has gathered an all white, mostly European “Tribe of Many Colors” around her with bizarre claims. Native activists and former followers have vowed to oppose her and expose her.

From Santa Fe to Sweden, Denmark, Germany, and the Netherlands, and soon to that most “American Indian” of places, Palm Springs, Kiesha Crowther draws crowds of hundreds with each gathering of ceremony selling, charging from several hundred to up to $6,000 a person. Crowther is a small red haired woman of 33, yet looks young enough to be a teenager. Adding to the strangeness, Crowther calls herself “Little Grandmother” (she is not one) and often talks in a little girl voice with fanciful (and largely false) stories about her childhood.

Crowther mixes in stories of vulnerability with dire prophecies of doom and fantastic claims, none of which are true. She claims to be the “shaman” for the “Sioux Salish tribe.” She claims to be the descendant of famous Lakota and Salish leaders, with a “fullblood Indian mother” and a grandmother supposedly on the reservation. Crowther claims to be made “shaman” by an alleged Salish elder named Falling Feathers. She claims to be recognized by dozens of tribes from New Zealand to United States to the Arctic Circle to Scandinavia to Central America. She claims to have been recognized by Native tribes at as young as age eight and to be the fulfillment of a supposed prophecy about a “fair haired girl.” She even suggests in one video that she is the returned White Buffalo Calf Woman of Lakota prophecy, a claim sure to outrage the Plains Indian tribes that hold the prophecy sacred.

Yet not a single one of these claims are true. Most are extremely obvious lies.

Who Is The Real Kiesha Crowther?

The real Kiesha Crowther was born Kiesha Rae Kreps in Sanford, Colorado, to a white middle class background, with a truck driver father and a mother owning small businesses. Her mother’s maiden name is Rodda. The Salish tribe she claims to have ancestry from do not have a single known person named Crowther, Kreps, or Rodda, either enrolled or known to the small and close knit community. (Most Salish have Irish last names given them by missionaries. A few Salish have traditional names, but none are ever translated into English.) The Salish elders in fact issued a public statement, saying officially she is not their “shaman,” asking her to quit claiming so, and pointing out no Salish had ever even heard of her. Their statement in full is at the end of this article.

Contrary to Crowther/Krep’s claim of a “fullblood Indian” mother and grandmother, there is no evidence of any Native ancestry in her family line. Her family ancestry has been traced back to her great-grandparents from England. Every census form lists all of her ancestors as white. No one else in the family has ever claimed to be or identified as American Indian, including her mother and grandmother. The only Natives in the family are two children (with no relation by blood) adopted by an uncle near Missoula, Montana. Kiesha Crowther’s mother and other family members have in fact urged her repeatedly to quit lying about the family ancestry.

Kiesha Kreps was raised as a Mormon and baptized into the Mormon Church at age eight at the same time she claims to have been recognized by Indian tribes and living alone in the woods. Crowther was married in the Mormon Church in Littleton, Colorado, and was a practicing member of the church only two years ago. She is married with two children, but separated from her husband and estranged from her entire family due to her “calling.”

In fact, absolutely no one in her family backs her claims of Native ancestry or being a “shaman.” A source very close to the family called her a “fraud” and “elaborate liar.” Numerous stories Kiesha Crowther tells at paid ceremonies are described as “lies,” such as claiming to have lived alone in the woods, nursing a dying owl, and being recognized by tribal leaders. The young Kiesha Kreps was actually fairly popular in school and not the lonely isolated kid she claims. Crowther's stranger lies include once giving a "Viking treasure ring" to her sister, who then noted one could see the trademark symbol on it.

The same source close to the family also claims Crowther’s veterinary degree is fake and came from an online degree mill, with the "degree" printed in notebook style paper rather than the stock paper degrees generally come on. It was also confirmed an animal rescue group Crowther claimed to have started is phony. The same source says Crowther plagiarized the poems she claimed to write and largely copied the paintings and other artwork she did.

Even Kiesha Crowther’s online biography as an artist is filled with falsehoods. She claimed to have been awarded Poet of the Year in 2003, 2004, and 2005 in separate cities. The “awards” are given out by the International Society of Poets, a pay to publish outfit that will include you in vanity editions for twenty five dollars each. She claimed her poem “Reach For My Hands” was made into a song by the “Willow Folk Group.” There is no sign of such a group, but there is a Willow Folk Festival in England. She claimed one of her poems was published in a book, “Poems for Peace,” chosen by former First Lady Laura Bush. There is no sign of the book nor of Laura Bush’s involvement, unless one counts her refusing to show up at a gathering of poets reciting poems opposed to the Iraq War. Crowther’s bio also claims she was “awarded the Life Experience Bachelors and holds a Masters Degree of Art from Almeda University.” Almeda University is an unaccredited online degree mill. In a 2004 expose by CBS News, a reporter successfully got his dog awarded a degree from Almeda.

How It All Began For a Would Be Shaman

Kiesha Crowther/Krep’s claims of how she became a “shaman” have changed rapidly and dramatically in less than two years since she began. In April of 2010, Crowther made the claim she originally had gotten a phone call from a group of all the Salish elders who told her she was the “fair haired child of prophecy” and they had a sacred bundle waiting for her made centuries ago.

But in June of 2010, that account changed. She claims instead an unnamed “Sioux man” made her a shaman.

That same month, Crowther also claimed she was made shaman by a group of “grandmothers” of both the Salish and “Sioux” tribes.

(Note for non-Native people: Natives generally don’t refer to the “Sioux” since this is an outdated outsider’s term. The actual tribes are called the Dakota, Lakota, and Nakoda, often called collectively the Lakota. There are dozens of Lakota bands at reservations and reserves. The Salish is an entirely different people and culture.)

In December 2010, Crowther’s story changed dramatically. No longer was there any mention of groups of women elders, nor of “Sioux men.” Instead she now claims there was a single Salish elder she calls Falling Feathers who made her “shaman for the Sioux and Salish tribes.”

There is no evidence at all that Falling Feathers ever existed, other than Crowther’s claims. Crowther claims he was an important elder, so widely known she assumed he was speaking for all Salish elders. The Salish elders have never heard of him and neither have any other Salish contacted for this article. His alleged name does not fit typical Salish names, which are either Irish or traditional Salish names not translated into English.

Conveniently, Crowther claims Falling Feathers recently died. There is no mention on tribal sites of a prominent elder dying recently. Crowther’s supporter, manager, and longtime friend Jennifer Ferraro also claims Falling Feathers was a member of the “governing council” for the “Confederated Sioux Salish.” Neither of those exists, but there is a tribal council for the Confederated Salish and Kootenai. The Lakota bands and tribes, as mentioned before, are spread across over two dozen reservations and reserves.

Only a few days after her December statement, Crowther changed her story in the most drastic way yet. She now claims to have never been teaching Native ways at all. This despite dressing up in American Indian regalia (though it was a shirt only worn by Native males), using what she seems to have believed was American Indian face paint, using what she claims was a Native pipe, and claiming her initiation came from Native elders, or alternately, a single Native elder who has passed away no one else ever heard of.

Crowther has also continually claimed the endorsement of numerous indigenous elders and other religious leaders, without evidence. Many of those she claims are Native elders actually are imposters.

She claims the endorsement of Cherokee elders. None of the traditional Cherokee elders in the Eastern Band ever heard of her.

She claims to have been recognized as a shaman by “lamas of Nepal and Tibet.” There are hundreds of such Buddhist teachers, but the only one she ever named was Lakha Lama, whom she met in Sweden. Lakha Lama gave her a blessing when Crowther asked for one, but this is neither an endorsement nor recognition, only kind words. Buddhist lamas, like American Indian traditionalists, also condemn teaching for a fee, especially very high fees as Crowther does.

Crowther also for a time claimed Sammi elders in Sweden authorized and endorsed her. Then her claim was removed from her websites. She further claimed Inuit elders gave her a crystal “from the North Pole” and that she was “giving the crystal back to the Sammi” when she buried the crystal in Sweden. There is no land, only ice at the North Pole. Crystals do not form in ice, only in land. Geologists consulted for this story say it likely is an ordinary crystal bought in a shop for less than 200 dollars, one dug up by strip mining.

On one of her visits to Sweden she claimed all Native tribes recognized and endorsed her, and that she was shaman for all of them. Since there are over 500 tribes in the US alone, the absurdity of this claim is obvious.

More recently, Crowther also claimed she was made shaman by a “Sioux” named Grandmother Lota or Lootha. Crowther also claims to be related to “Sioux” she calls Ciqalah Lotah and Ciqala Jensen. Fluent Lakota speakers we spoke to pointed out those words do not exist in the Lakota language. No one in any of the Lakota communities we contacted ever heard of Crowther or the people she claims to be related to or authorized her.

Crowther also claims the endorsement of Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez, sometimes called Wandering Wolf. Perez is a Mayan leader who appears on a number of New Age sites. However, there is no evidence of Perez ever endorsing Crowther. Perez is actually on record as strongly disagreeing and even mocking the claims of Crowther and other that the world will end in 2012. The maker of a documentary on Perez and Crowther denounced in fierce terms the “exploitation” of Perez by New Agers such as Crowther.

Crowther also is an associate of and claims the endorsement of two imposters who falsely claim to be Native elders, Adam DeArmon, a white New Age operator in Sedona, and John Kimmey, a white New Ager barred from the Hopi reservation and condemned by Hopi spiritual leaders for selling ceremony and making false claims.

The (All White) Tribe of Many Colors

Why would a self styled “shaman” who spent most of two years claiming Native elders authorized her suddenly claims to have never been doing Native teachings? Numerous family and friends of Crowther’s followers, as well as former followers, began to ask Native activists about the authenticity of her claims. By September of 2010, the chorus of criticism began to rise and put Crowther and her management on the defensive.

Crowther’s following she dubbed the Tribe of Many Colors has some striking characteristics. It has absolutely no Native members at all (including Crowther.) Outside of a member of Crowther’s management team, all seem to be exclusively white. Much like the Tea Party, they are also prone to throwing around the claim that they are hated supposedly for being white.

Such a claim falls apart because many of her critics are themselves white, especially former followers. The claim is even more striking because of the racism in some of the imagery and words used by Crowther and her “tribe.” In one trip to Sweden, Crowther spoke about the alleged superiority of Swedish people over all others. Crowther frequently claims all Native elders, or even all Native people, are supporting her, waiting for her, and depend upon her and her message even for their very survival. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. Most Natives never heard of her. Those that have are strongly opposed to her.

Who is behind Crowther’s rapid rise among New Age leaders? Our source very close to the family says Crowther has no computer skills nor business or organizing acumen, nothing that could account for her success except a vivid imagination. The same source attributes everything Crowther has done to two people and one group; Adam DeArmon AKA Adam Yellowbird, a white New Age operator in Sedona; Santa Fe Soul, which sponsors some of Crowther’s talks; and especially Crowther’s longtime friend Jennifer Ferraro. Our source described Fierro as a failed performance artist who claims to be Native but is actually Italian and Greek. Online discussions between Crowther and Ferraro seem to show Ferraro as the real brains of the operation, the power behind the throne, her manager, website operator, and even her director. Crowther defers to her in public talks, and Ferraro frequently talks in one messages to Crowther like a mother to a small child.

Our source close to the family is worried the Tribe of Many Colors will "become another Jonestown" and is at a loss for how her family can get her to see sense. Whether the “tribe” self destruct violently is yet to be seen, but they are extraordinarily intolerant of dissent or criticism of any kind. Its website was heavily censored, with any daring to question Crowther kicked out. Recently their website was so overwhelmed by dealing with criticism it was taken down entirely. Crowther’s inner circle, especially Ferraro, have begun throwing around legal threats at any who dare to critique Crowther. Ferraro, though she is not a lawyer, sent threats to sue to at least five people. The “tribe” also sent infiltrators to sites critical to Crowther to gather information on critics.

There are currently plans for a book by Crowther, and two documentaries, one favorable to her and one critical. There are also ongoing plans for protests of Crowther’s ceremony selling by Native activists and her many non-Native critics. The Salish tribal council is considering legal action. The controversy is not going away.

Dr. Al Carroll is a historian, professor, former Fulbright Scholar, and activist for Native causes. His first book is Medicine Bags and Dog Tags: American Indian Veterans From Colonial Times to the Second Iraq War from University of Nebraska Press.

Research for this article includes contributions by numerous activists, former followers, Sky Davis and T. Tavares, and a source very close to the Crowther family. Annika Banfeld translated articles and radio interviews from Swedish to English.

Statement of the Salish Elders:

"The Culture and Elders Committee of the Confederated Salish and Kootenai Tribes of the Flathead Reservation protect the intangible cultural resources of the tribes including language, songs, stories etc.

"No tribal Elders or elders have met with nor do they condone the claims and actions made by Kiesha Crowther.

"She is not their 'shaman', she has no right to claim this title and the Elders and elders of CSKT of the Flathead Reservation would like her to cease and desist immediately from making such false claims that erode the traditions that members of the CSKT Culture and Elders Committee are trying to preserve."

The posting of this statement came with the permission and urging of the Salish elders. Anyone doubting this message's authenticity can contact the Flathead Reservation.





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djhyperspace Post subject: Re: Kiesha Crowther - delusional, fraud or the real deal?Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:33 am


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Location: Illiniois ... OrbitalSponge, welcome to the forum, first off.

Second, that article about sums up everything eh??

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You rock :D

[tanelorn]

Yahweh is ranting too :D

http://www.esharingportal.com/viewstory.php?sid=98&chapter=1

Here goes:

February 1, 2009

I have been sounding the alarm through the mouths of My prophets. They have heard ME tell of My intentions to come in months past. And, I have been ready! All in heaven is now prepared and ready and I am giving this one last shout! There shall be no other delay, past this one! I only delay now as My bowels of mercy and compassion have been moved to extend this time for a short time indeed! For, many of you, oh My Bride, stand on the brink of being ready! But, you are not ready!

LET IT BE KNOWN THAT I WILL MARRY NO GOSSIP-MONGERS. NO PURVEYORS OF HATE OR MALICE, SAVE YOU REPENT IN DEEP SORROW AND SEEK MY FORGIVENESS FOR ALL.

I WILL MARRY NONE, WHO DO NOT LOVE OTHERS, EVEN TO LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, TO PRAY FOR THEM AND TO BLESS THEM.

I WILL MARRY NONE, WHO HAVE ANY SORT OF UNFORGIVENESS IN THEIR HEARTS.

I WILL MARRY NONE, WHOSE BOWELS ARE NOT FULL OF LOVE AND COMPASSION TOWARD ALL.

I WILL MARRY NONE, WHO DO NOT HAVE MERCY AND COMPASSION TOWARD THE LOST, THE HURT AND THE SUFFERING.

I WILL MARRY NONE, WHO HAVE NOT SPENT LONG HOURS IN PRAYER BEFORE ME, NIGHT AND DAY, SEEKING ME TO JUDGE THEM, TO PURIFY THEIR SINS THROUGH FORGIVENESS AND TO MAKE THEM WHITE.

I WILL MARRY NONE, WHO LOVE THE WORLD AND WHAT IS IN IT.

I WILL MARRY NONE, WHO ARE ADDICITED TO TELEVISION, OR TO ANY OTHER WORLDLY THING!

I WILL MARRY NONE, WHO LUST AFTER THE FLESH AND WHO LOVE THINGS OF THE FLESH.

I WILL MARRY NONE, WHO MAKE TELEVISION THEIR COUNSEL, AND WHO LOOK UPON VIOLENCE.

I WILL MARRY NONE, WHO BACKBITE, AND WHO MOCK AND SCORN MY TRUE WORKS AND WILL NOT REPENT.

I WILL MARRY NONE, WHO STAY UP LATE TO CHASE THINGS OF THE WORLD, AND WHO PUT ME LAST.

I WILL MARRY NONE, WHO LOVE THE WORLD AND WHAT IS IN IT! FOR, I DEMAND THAT YOU RENOUNCE THE WORLD AND ALL OF ITS EVIL MATTERS AND CONCERNS.

I WILL MARRY NONE, WHO LOOK UPON ANOTHER WITH EYES OF LUST, OR WHO COVETS, OR JEALOUSLY LONGS AFTER WHAT BELONGS TO ANOTHER.

I WILL MARRY NONE, WHO DO NOT PUT ME FIRST, KEEP ME FIRST AND LOVE ME ABOVE ALL, CHERISHING MY COMMANDMENTS AND OBEYING THEM ALL.

REPENT, OH, YOU BRIDE OF MINE! I WILL COME FOR A CLEAN BRIDE! AND, BE WARNED, THAT I COME VERY SOON AND BE WARNED ALSO THAT AT THIS TIME, AND FROM MY VANTAGEPOINT, SAVE MANY OF YOU GET CLEAN AND QUICKLY SO, I WILL TAKE AT THIS TIME FEW INDEED! FOR, FEW INDEED YOU ARE, WHO HAVE MADE YOURSELVES CLEAN! BUT, EVEN SO, IT IS NOT FOR ANY LACK OF WARNINGS THAT I AM COMING FOR MY BRIDE! I HAVE WARNED YOU! AND, THE TIME OF MY TARRYING IS FAST COMING TO AN END.

I am your Father Yahweh, yea Jehovah, Most High God, Jesus, Saviour, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

As witnessed, dictated and recorded this 21st day of January, 2009,

[211200]

She says alot of what I say and have said for years. I would say this is a definite sign that were all about to Hit the ONE ness very soon :D People like her are more dangerous to the elite than guns and bombs even governments.

But yeah I finally have some back up to what I have been saying for a long time , there will be more. More people more ways of saying the same thing more people understanding . For the first time in many years I am excited by the future just knowing that others have been given the same message to share.

The pen, Dear Vern, is mightier than the sword :rolleyes:

[cinder_darkskys]

both tribes that she said called her to be a medicine woman, they dont say shaman in native american culture, the say specifically "medicine" and there is a really good reason for that. But anyway , both salish and navajo denounce her claims. In fact they are considering class action against her. She is also proven to be non native american blood at all.

She has pissed off a lot of people in the tribes. check the thread keisha is a fraud on her facebook page and there is a facebook group of native americans who are persuing this rather rudely :D

I would caution against joining that group, They seem to be racially motivated.

I like her an she is really connected, to the Earth Godus or God's wife. which what she presenting. She say's she Christian, so she a follower of Christ. < A male ). She has her own conception on this, however her connection to the creator sprite is very weak. < this would be whats called the Great Sprite, or Christian God entity ). her view of it, is as the reppiey horn one, married to this majestic godus.

So because she female she may not under stand the Great sprite.

She any thing coming from the Earth godus would relate, mainly to to woman. an would generally relate to the passed, hidden mythological things. In fact that's the only way she prove her self to me.

As a shaman to me, female spiritual leader, she has to prove sight. The ability to see what is to come.

I have shown her to be highly connected. For me it enough to keep me interested in the lady. In the fact, her Glyph's are perfect the Father, Son an Holy Ghost, including the house of god, < part of her confusion in the whole, possibly ), never the less. Her part of the force is female, an that of Mother Earth, the life cycle. < its a female thing, a male doctor, would be a duck out of water. ). an the human mind in to days light is only just re understanding the spiritual.

Men have been put her, God's wife, down for years. An we have messed up matrix. it pitiful.

I down dressing her, on Davids site, for reasons explained, an only hinted at. It dose not mean any one can or should. Oh no,no,no. This lady is connected to the female spiritual side of the force. the images show once on the other side she can ruin your day. Also I her, in other imagery's unknown to the site.

I'll explain this in an up coming post.

If she were a man, The imagery would be opposed. So let's say someone discover fragments, in the passed. They would automatically presume a premise
With out knowing all the parts an how putting them together right, one might conclude, to an line of thought which is, incorrect.

Because it was founded in error.

What make her imagery not prefect no dough has to do with her personal live. Maybe a bad spouse, companionship, could cause the imagery to come out like it did.

Were talking about force of live an death, an then there E+T. that have to be kept separated, to understand and, step out of the box.

I like her. And when you look at the imagery i show of her. your looking at part of her book of life. its as simple as that. I'm still not Christ or God nor the Devil.

Skys LoL GoRiLLaZ GB U All
PeaceLovesAll

[verndewd]

I like her an she is really connected, to the Earth Godus or God's wife. which what she presenting. She say's she Christian, so she a follower of Christ. < A male ). She has her own conception on this, however her connection to the creator sprite is very weak. < this would be whats called the Great Sprite, or Christian God entity ). her view of it, is as the reppiey horn one, married to this majestic godus.

So because she female she may not under stand the Great sprite.

She any thing coming from the Earth godus would relate, mainly to to woman. an would generally relate to the passed, hidden mythological things. In fact that's the only way she prove her self to me.

As a shaman to me, female spiritual leader, she has to prove sight. The ability to see what is to come.

I have shown her to be highly connected. For me it enough to keep me interested in the lady. In the fact, her Glyph's are perfect the Father, Son an Holy Ghost, including the house of god, < part of her confusion in the whole, possibly ), never the less. Her part of the force is female, an that of Mother Earth, the life cycle. < its a female thing, a male doctor, would be a duck out of water. ). an the human mind in to days light is only just re understanding the spiritual.

Men have been put her, God's wife, down for years. An we have messed up matrix. it pitiful.

I down dressing her, on Davids site, for reasons explained, an only hinted at. It dose not mean any one can or should. Oh no,no,no. This lady is connected to the female spiritual side of the force. the images show once on the other side she can ruin your day. Also I her, in other imagery's unknown to the site.

I'll explain this in an up coming post.

If she were a man, The imagery would be opposed. So let's say someone discover fragments, in the passed. They would automatically presume a premise
With out knowing all the parts an how putting them together right, one might conclude, to an line of thought which is, incorrect.

Because it was founded in error.

What make her imagery not prefect no dough has to do with her personal live. Maybe a bad spouse, companionship, could cause the imagery to come out like it did.

Were talking about force of live an death, an then there E+T. that have to be kept separated, to understand and, step out of the box.

I like her. And when you look at the imagery i show of her. your looking at part of her book of life. its as simple as that. I'm still not Christ or God nor the Devil.

Skys LoL GoRiLLaZ GB U All
PeaceLovesAll

all the tribes she claims to have behind her are actually persuing fraud lawsuits against her. The 13 grandmothers dont even know who she is.
shes a liar.

[haukipesukone]

Has this been posted? From Little Grandmother's website.

Official Statement Regarding Native American Issues



12/26/2010





Kiesha, whose maternal family lives on the Flathead Reservation in Montana, was initiated into shamanism at age 30 by a Native American man named Falling Feathers. She was told that the “elders of the tribe had been watching her” since she was a child and that it was time for her to step into her role as shaman. Falling Feathers personally guided Kiesha’s initiation and taught her how to conduct ceremony, how to pray in traditional ways with the chanupa, how to pray while in inipi and he conferred upon her the name “Little Grandmother”.



She could only imagine him to be a tribal authority. He seemed to speak for the tribe—and most likely was responsible for referring several tribal members and families to her for blessings and healings in the year after her initiation. For example, this past year, when one elderly woman on the Flathead Reservation died at the hospital and no family could be located, Kiesha was called. Her name was given by an official as a recognized spiritual representative of the tribe. Though she was not raised on the reservation, Kiesha had every reason to accept and believe her status as “shaman” came with tribal recognition.



Recently, Kiesha called the tribal council office to inquire about her official standing in the tribe. She was surprised to hear that Falling Feathers had not acted with the permission of the tribal council and therefore could not necessarily convey tribal authority.



Kiesha had no reason to doubt that her initiation came with full authority and recognition. For that reason and because tribal members were referred to her as shaman in the first year of her initiation, she spoke in her first talks of being made a “shaman for the Sioux and Salish” people.



Since her initiation as shaman, Kiesha received medicine and sacred implements from members of several indigenous tribes from around the world who were guided to create medicine for the one called “Little Grandmother.” Somehow these people knew who she was. Some said they had been waiting for her for many years to come, and knew of her from visions they’d received.



Today Kiesha’s work and wisdom is directed by her spirit guides, ancestors, living elders, spirit guides from the South American people and Great Spirit. Her intent is to remain true to the universal nature of the message she has been asked to share while clearly not representing any Native American people or traditions. Kiesha continues public speaking and healing ceremonies as requested for the benefit of Mother Earth. And, despite her heritage, she will conduct all work without Native American regalia, Native American sacred implements or specific rituals.



Her sincere hope is to honor the global nature of the work she has been asked to do while, to the extent possible, preventing misunderstandings among any tribal members.



With deep respect for indigenous people and their wisdom, she will continue to perform the sacred work to which she is called, making it clear that she is representing no one but herself and her own guidance from Spirit.



While she is a human being who no doubt makes mistakes, Kiesha never “wanted” to be a shaman, and did not even know what the word meant before being initiated. What she is here to do on this planet at this time is clear. Also clear to anyone who has done ceremony with her, worked with her in a healing session or has heard her speak from her heart about matters of truth, is the fact that Spirit is working with and through her.



Kiesha’s deepest wish is that we work together for the good of Mother Earth, see beyond our differences, and move forward in shifting the consciousness on the planet from Ego and Mind to Love.
http://littlegrandmother.net/NEWURGENTMESSAGE.aspx


Those who are saying she's a fake, have you considered that one possible reason for all this opposition is that she is genuine in her efforts? We should all know that those who become a threat to the control system are attacked. This might be the case when it comes to Kiesha Crowther.

However I am not saying that is necessarily the case. There are some suspiscious, cult-like things she's saying too. Last time I listened to her videos, she was saying we should push away the negative things and focus on the positive. I found it suspicious, yet this could be interpreted in so many ways. She could be a fraud, but overall so far I've considered her message to be a positive one. I really don't know.

Everyone, be streetsmart, fakes come in all shapes and sizes. Just because somebody claims Icke is a Mason does not make him a Mason. Just because the tribes do not recognize Crowther as their representative and there are people claiming she's a fake, she might very well be genuine in her efforts.

[blackstar76]

Has this been posted? From Little Grandmother's website.


http://littlegrandmother.net/NEWURGENTMESSAGE.aspx


Those who are saying she's a fake, have you considered that one possible reason for all this opposition is that she is genuine in her efforts? We should all know that those who become a threat to the control system are attacked. This might be the case when it comes to Kiesha Crowther.

However I am not saying that is necessarily the case. There are some suspiscious, cult-like things she's saying too. Last time I listened to her videos, she was saying we should push away the negative things and focus on the positive. I found it suspicious, yet this could be interpreted in so many ways. She could be a fraud, but overall so far I've considered her message to be a positive one. I really don't know.

Everyone, be streetsmart, fakes come in all shapes and sizes. Just because somebody claims Icke is a Mason does not make him a Mason. Just because the tribes do not recognize Crowther as their representative and there are people claiming she's a fake, she might very well be genuine in her efforts.

She is a fake.
-Started you tube videos for free. Then started charging.

-Had two forums going. Never contributed to posting. Then shut em both down right before she started charging for new videos.

- Said she lived in the woods from age 8-12. Animals brought her food. Yeah ok. Grown men can't survive in the woods but she can at age 8. Been watching too much Disney. Humans can't eat raw meat.

- only updated info she puts out is book dates and exposing people using her name to cash in.

- Fallens feathers is not a real person.

- Tours are making alot of money- 8 grand to smoosh with her in Eygpt.

- She said that by the end of 2010 we would all be proven that ET's exist.

- All her info comes from somewhere else on you tube. She just claims it as her own.

She just has the power to speak softly, cry and say positive things. Telling people what they want to hear. Oldest trick in the book. But she is a pro. I give her that. I take back all my endorsements of her. I have been studying her for along time now and can clearly see money is her main objective.

[druggalo]

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[verndewd]

There is a group of indigenous people on face book who are going after her with the tribes behind them.

[blackstar76]

There is a group of indigenous people on face book who are going after her with the tribes behind them.

Good I hate people that deceive. Usually desperate people looking for something. Getting raped for false hope.

I say if 2013 rolls around without incident we have a barby q with all these decievers who cashed in on it. All special quest of honor ofcourse.

[cinder_darkskys]

all the tribes she claims to have behind her are actually persuing fraud lawsuits against her. The 13 grandmothers dont even know who she is.
shes a liar.

How hard it was for him to get started, he was very disjointed.

jumping here an there but, he never knew the whole truth, only fragments, which over years he developed. with the help of many other, no dough. < before I came along )

In the US of A they have been fighting, over things. they all should not have benign fight for for many years, before white were there they were fighting an enslaving there enemies. The white never invented slavery, instituted yes at 1 time. quickly wiped out at 1 time.

World wide big business are far worst, leaching right off each of us, day to day.
Lack of world wide laws, why these things are are happening to us.
Lack world wide government responsibly is why this is happening to use.
Lack understand, lack of tolerances, starvation, pointless wars, an on an on.

Did Libya catch any of these rapist an jail. an jailed, Will that old leader have his day in court. did he do anything wrong, other then having his government fall apart on him.

The only price freedom excepts is blood.

You can not have Freedom unless there Justice.

Its a well known fact US of A killed people in what they deem as a cult. i can name a few time off the top of my head. Not what world dose.

It dose not change the facts, we are looking at free society, who needs progressive passive change. One the best armed civil society, on the planet. there soldiers fought an fight, for the freedom of others.

The imagery i show of her is very special. It special because it show's her as a underdeveloped spiritual leader.

when Little Grandmother post can on, David ; he when out his way, in several emails. Explaining how hard it was for him, when he started. near drove me crazy

I seen some of those early days :) I use his older imagery on my MsN.

It's those of us who can see passed mistakes an fix them

What I explain are, not a well known facts. There very old, many topic's i cover much i should NOT, understand. but do.

We can all do a bit better. An this was a planet of love at one time.

My word are harsh for her for a reason. And my imagery is mind blowing, direct an to the point, an to someone who dose not understand. the mind runs away with it self.

Because the foundation is in error, a whole line of thought is in error.

I said she a shaman at the very start, i still say she is today. However it is a poor word use-age. I like the word they use for her now much better.

I fallow her public works, and enjoyed her new official web site. Very nice work.
When looking at her she not really talking about new things, she talking about old things. She trying very hard to explain them.

She is a fake.
-Started you tube videos for free. Then started charging.

-Had two forums going. Never contributed to posting. Then shut em both down right before she started charging for new videos.

- Said she lived in the woods from age 8-12. Animals brought her food. Yeah ok. Grown men can't survive in the woods but she can at age 8. Been watching too much Disney. Humans can't eat raw meat.

- only updated info she puts out is book dates and exposing people using her name to cash in.

- Fallens feathers is not a real person.

- Tours are making alot of money- 8 grand to smoosh with her in Eygpt.

- She said that by the end of 2010 we would all be proven that ET's exist.

- All her info comes from somewhere else on you tube. She just claims it as her own.

She just has the power to speak softly, cry and say positive things. Telling people what they want to hear. Oldest trick in the book. But she is a pro. I give her that. I take back all my endorsements of her. I have been studying her for along time now and can clearly see money is her main objective.

1st time i closed down a chat board was 2000, i close many, that one tough me, things can be done better or not at all, wow critters feed her, but who cooked it. I read somewhere a man walked on water an raised the dead to. I guess its a matter of faith.

Skys I stand directly behind her, even in error. Error can quickly be corrected.

[cinder_darkskys]

There is a group of indigenous people on face book who are going after her with the tribes behind them.

who's winning would you say
Skys

[cinder_darkskys]

Here her friends
http://forum.davidicke.com/picture.php?albumid=832&pictureid=10577

As per her statement about this on here FREE for common peoples use UTUBE, with your goggle account

this would be over my mountain on a reservation unnamed i believe, how ever i show it.

Just like i show many thing you do not realize you see, on this site.

this image is of high interests because it shows the symbol of god < also in the holy lands imagery, the symbol can be found in many house of god an its world wide symbol) over the crafts, possible command an control, an Christ over lapped on Earth on the right.

On the upper right hand side. the ship is going in to the earth, way up in the to left. that who's ship it is, no dough. it looks like its coming out but i don't think it is, also there a more the 1 ship I believe they tend to line up, early on i say they all work together, we do not.

what you believe is E+T all work together.

these are the aliens i do believe she talking, star peoples. big an spooky

Sure be nice know what arrangement have been made in the passed.

How many people can a ship like that hold i wonder, the ship it self span pass the ranger of my camera. I guesting but that's 10 to 30 miles out maybe more, 1 my mountain is about 50 miles a little south away

Skys

[verndewd]

who's winning would you say
Skys

shes being attacked for claiming the grandmothers indoctrinated her, all her bullshit stories dont matter. she needs to admit she lied about the grandmothers indoctrinating her.

as in the bible , many anti christs ( I call them infinite connection dissuaders), will come and fool even the elect if that were possible.

I at first said , hey this is some good stuff until I shared what I have picked up on my journey in her forums where I was accused of using it as my personal website and banned for defending my self and the fucking frog admin took it a step further by reporting me as some hacker mass spammer and I had to repeal that with the uber internet authorities to get into my own websites....


Do the math, what ever that community is its not based on indigenous ways ,its more like a freak cult.

[haukipesukone]

this woman is a big time fraud. I'm not sure yet if she is just your run of the mill scammer, or a mind controlled slave. The mentioning of the norway sprial was the red flag for me, and sent me searching more about her immediately.

I found the below statement from a blogger on 2012forum.com

http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21114&start=15


Please read this:

Tribe of Many Colors or Tribe of Many Dollars?
By Dr. Al Carroll



I found this. If the Dr. Al Carroll above is the same person as is mentioned here, he seems to be fake too. It would make Kiesha Crowther seem less fake. Especially since Al Carroll's motivation seems simply be to undermine Crowther. He makes a lot of accusation and reasons why Crowther is fake, but that the Tribe of Many Dollars article doesn't offer much in the way of evidence.

The article:

IS AL CARROLL AN APACHE OR A FRAUD
Controversial fraud Hunter and self appointed medicine man buster Dr. Alton Carroll, aka Educated Indian has never made public his Apache parent (s) family name nor has he been able to substantiate his claims on the record that one of his parents or grandparents is of Apache origin. There could be many legitimate reasons for this but for the time being he still remains an enigma.

For example, there have been many instances of Hollywood actors who have made claims of being Apache to end up proven false. The obvious reasons and motivation for claiming to be of Mescalero Apache origin is usually monetarily driven, promotion of a career, books, seminars, films and donations for websites. Most often, they do this overseas and in Europe where it is close to impossible for people to validate their claims.

Most people would recognize the benefits and realize that this is a great sales pitch to use the name of Geronimo on your bio and to say that you come from the same tribe as one of the bravest warriors that has ever lived. In this day and age, some people will go to great lengths to stand out from the crowd. Whether it's for an audition or selling a book or promoting a film.

The evidence so far indicates that Dr. Al Carroll is not enrolled, recognized or affiliated with any Apache tribe. His best defense to date is rather dubious because when asked he has replied by saying "ask my college friends and they will tell you about my Indian-ness". Indian could easily mean Aztec or Mayan Yucatán, Oaxaca, Chiapas, Campeche, Hidalgo, Puebla, Guerrero, San Luis Potosí, Veracruz or Mexican Indian; since he did not say Apache-ness. Or it could also mean he's from India for that matter. It could be that he is being facetious or is using humor to cleverly deflect this simple question; so that most people would laugh, shrug it off and forget about it and not ask again. In other words, assume he is telling the truth and take him at his word. After all, he is known to be the New Age Fraud buster.

Now, if his parent were of Apache origin, this would be in most instances simple to verify. With just a name of the parent and by asking the Apache people. Most families that live on the Apache Mescalero reservation would be able to confirm this. Since most likely his father is Irish ( with a name like Carroll ), that would probably mean his mother's Apache maiden name would be all that is needed to identify her family and to prove descendency. If he were adopted, there would also be adoption papers that would legally verify who his mother was and her race.

To prove legitimate descendency, one needs to have some record of his/her belonging to a member of the tribe that was recognized by the tribe at some point. If you don't have contact with your tribal member then you can ask the tribe to look for his last name.

His grandparents (living or deceased) and descendents grave sites in most instances would also be able to be located and identified. They can look this up in various ways and see if his family line is known.

Another way to find out is to use the tribal newspaper and submit an article asking if anyone has lineage to his tribal member. Or to have someone pass out flyers on the reservation with a photograph of Apache origin with the name for people who do not have access to a computer. If a family member is located and there is a dispute as to a relative, DNA analysis would simply resolve this. A blood sample could prove a positive match.

There really isn't any logical reason or excuse in this high tech day and age for not being able to prove this. Without this proof, Dr. Al Carroll, as well as anyone else, can claim to be of Apache origin including myself and my Japanese next door neighbor. Anyone who is not able to prove this obviously is not being forthcoming with the truth.

Then the next question is, if this is the case; is Alton Carroll the right person to be operating a website entitled New Age Fraud and Plastic Shaman when all the evidence seems to point to the fact that he is a questionable and highly suspect person himself. Until this matter is completely resolved, the ethical thing for him to do is to step down until this is cleared up . As long as Dr. Al Carroll is under this dark cloud of suspicion, this will undermine the credibility and cover the legitimate participants on the New age fraud website.

WARNING

If you are thinking of visiting or joining New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans before doing so, please be prepared that if you do challenge Al Carroll, or his associate Barnaby McEwan; they will delete anything that you say that exposes their abusive behavior and in its place insert derogatory, infantile, deceitful and inverse racist comments.

They will most likely also blame shift and classically project their own negativity and ignorance onto the person and attempt to make it appear to their audience as if it was the innocent person's fault. When all else fails, they may also attempt to make the person appear racist, condescending, patronizing and worse. Also expect to have your privacy violated by them posting your home address, phone numbers and email address online.

You can also expect that they will flip and twist your words and comments, like "he is calling us dumb Indians"or he will delete a fine point and say it's childish, rambling, insane, lazy, ignorant, sloppy, racist and so forth. This is obviously designed to distort and invalidate the individual by creating a false impression to his audience and followers, as well as to attempt to make himself appear more intelligent, wittier, wiser, superior and so on.

Then after the individual is through, this could also lead to another round of a viscous smearing campaign and dissemination of more deceit and other forms of Internet Hate Crimes on other forums, chat rooms, websites and cyberspace.

Al Carroll will use all forms of bullying and intimidation tactics that are often implemented by cultists and street gang members.

When this fails, he then retreats and hides out for a while until the individual disappears and then starts all over again on a brand new unsuspecting individual.

http://newagefraud.blogspot.com/2007/10/is-al-carroll-apache-or-fraud.html

[haukipesukone]

She is a fake.
-Started you tube videos for free. Then started charging.


I didn't even know you could charge for watching Youtube videos. How exactly can I see those commercial videos of hers?

I checked her website, http://littlegrandmother.net , all I found was couple of DVD's she was selling for 15 bucks, and free Youtube and other videos for online viewing.


-Had two forums going. Never contributed to posting. Then shut em both down right before she started charging for new videos.


That is weird. Can you prove somehow that she had the forums? Shutting them down does not make her a fraud, just fickle.


- Said she lived in the woods from age 8-12. Animals brought her food. Yeah ok. Grown men can't survive in the woods but she can at age 8. Been watching too much Disney. Humans can't eat raw meat.


I think humans can eat raw meat. Her story sounds incredible, but I do not think that is enough to call her a fraud.


- only updated info she puts out is book dates and exposing people using her name to cash in.


What sort of info? Where, can you give me a link?


- Fallens feathers is not a real person.


Can you prove it? Evidence please.


- Tours are making alot of money- 8 grand to smoosh with her in Eygpt.


Evidence please.


- She said that by the end of 2010 we would all be proven that ET's exist.


True, I remember hearing that. It does not make her a complete fraud, just wrong.


- All her info comes from somewhere else on you tube. She just claims it as her own.


For example? Moreover, pretty much all of the info David Icke and other researchers put in their books come from somewhere else, such as books and government documents...


She just has the power to speak softly, cry and say positive things. Telling people what they want to hear. Oldest trick in the book. But she is a pro. I give her that. I take back all my endorsements of her. I have been studying her for along time now and can clearly see money is her main objective.

Prove that she's making lots of money. All references to giving her money I saw on the website are the two DVDs she's selling. That hardly makes her a money grubber.

I remember one interview where she said that she's not making lots of money. If she is lying prove it.

There's this thing (notice, it's free):
Join Little Grandmother each month for a 20 minute Live Streaming Broadcast—a new series of live broadcasts to the global tribe of many colors, which will be ongoing. The broadcasts are FREE and open to all.
http://littlegrandmother.net/WEBCASTS.aspx

However on the same page it says: "February 19, 2011 Webcast is now archived. site CLICK HERE"

I click the link and get: "404 (Page Not Found) Error"
http://bronnikovmethodusa.com/livevideo/archives/

That is suspicious but maybe the site is just offline at the moment.




I'm not saying she can't be a fake, but if she is I'd like to see some actual evidence, instead of mere accusations.

[blackstar76]

I didn't even know you could charge for watching Youtube videos. How exactly can I see those commercial videos of hers?

She didn't charge for you tube videos. But later had a live chat. I paid 7 bucks and couldn't watch it till they uploaded the replay. I don't think it went to well and not sure if she continued the pay per view.
I checked her website, http://littlegrandmother.net , all I found was couple of DVD's she was selling for 15 bucks, and free Youtube and other videos for online viewing.



That is weird. Can you prove somehow that she had the forums? Shutting them down does not make her a fraud, just fickle.

I was on both of them as a member. She took them down right before the pay per view thing happened. She never really posted there unless promoting a tour.

I think humans can eat raw meat. Her story sounds incredible, but I do not think that is enough to call her a fraud.

Raw meat will kill you. Especially if not properly cut and the toxic parts disgarded. Especially also the weather outside for 8-12 would have been fatal.



What sort of info? Where, can you give me a link?



Can you prove it? Evidence please.



Evidence please.

Evidence for what? Just follow whats out there on her site and videos. Enough red flags in those to satisfy you.

True, I remember hearing that. It does not make her a complete fraud, just wrong.



For example? Moreover, pretty much all of the info David Icke and other researchers put in their books come from somewhere else, such as books and government documents...



Prove that she's making lots of money. All references to giving her money I saw on the website are the two DVDs she's selling. That hardly makes her a money grubber.

From the tours she used to promote the cost of attendance was between 250 and 8000 grand. 7 bucks pay per view say 10,000 followers equals 70 grand a pop. A book deal and movie deal. Plus donations from rich people. Do the math? Easily a multi millionare by 2013.

I remember one interview where she said that she's not making lots of money. If she is lying prove it.

Again do the math. Easy to say you are not making any money. Funny how when Lulu made a house call she only showed one room before taking the interview outside in windy conditions.


There's this thing (notice, it's free):

http://littlegrandmother.net/WEBCASTS.aspx

However on the same page it says: "February 19, 2011 Webcast is now archived. site CLICK HERE"

I click the link and get: "404 (Page Not Found) Error"
http://bronnikovmethodusa.com/livevideo/archives/

That is suspicious but maybe the site is just offline at the moment.

Yeah she puts out the free prayer before the pay per view one. Half hour before. Lure you in so you want to hear more. She doesn't say anything new ever. And most of it is just recycled info from others.

I'm not saying she can't be a fake, but if she is I'd like to see some actual evidence, instead of mere accusations.

I have been following her since the beginning and still checks out her material for red flags. I am pretty confident she is full of shit. And I was a believer at the start. She says nice things and cries. Sounds real. But I have yet to find out who Fallen Feathers or the tribe that inducted her really are. The natives say they don't exist.

[blackstar76]

Also came out right after the Japan Quakes and claimed she knew that was going down. But didn't want to scare anyone. But BTW NewYork is next. And the great lakes will empty into the gulf and China will own USA.

Sounds to me like she been researching the same you tube videos as me. :D

[haukipesukone]

I have been following her since the beginning and still checks out her material for red flags. I am pretty confident she is full of shit. And I was a believer at the start. She says nice things and cries. Sounds real. But I have yet to find out who Fallen Feathers or the tribe that inducted her really are. The natives say they don't exist.

The Egypt trip with the deluxe hotel and 3 meals a day does seem more like a holiday than part of spiritual awakening. And costs like hell. So do some of her workshops and stuff.

I'll say you've convinced me a bit more to see the issue like you do. Have to keep researching.

[seercyanascens]

I first came accross this series of videos back in 2010 when I first felt like there was a real movement towards enlightenment. I found them very inspiring and found myself full of optimism for the near future. Sadly, many of the predictions made are well overdue which makes me sorry because I believe that this lady is right about what has led humans astray and I am soul to soul with her on religion and government. I believe that what she is trying to do with these videos is to start a roller-coaster momentum to carry the awakening to everyone. It is such a shame that the people of this planet are still not ready to be swept up by this movement. There is still a long way to go and it is going to take something far more than a hopeful bluff to make it happen.

[blackstar76]

I first came accross this series of videos back in 2010 when I first felt like there was a real movement towards enlightenment. I found them very inspiring and found myself full of optimism for the near future. Sadly, many of the predictions made are well overdue which makes me sorry because I believe that this lady is right about what has led humans astray and I am soul to soul with her on religion and government. I believe that what she is trying to do with these videos is to start a roller-coaster momentum to carry the awakening to everyone. It is such a shame that the people of this planet are still not ready to be swept up by this movement. There is still a long way to go and it is going to take something far more than a hopeful bluff to make it happen.

I would love for this stuff to be true. Maybe it still is. Just because some people are cashing in on it doesn't mean it's not true. And wouldn't it be fun to watch these cons shit their pants if things actually did start to happen.

[cinder_darkskys]

We We're Born In A Flame
shes being attacked for claiming the grandmothers indoctrinated her, all her bullshit stories dont matter. she needs to admit she lied about the grandmothers indoctrinating her.

as in the bible , many anti christs ( I call them infinite connection dissuaders), will come and fool even the elect if that were possible.

I at first said , hey this is some good stuff until I shared what I have picked up on my journey in her forums where I was accused of using it as my personal website and banned for defending my self and the fucking frog admin took it a step further by reporting me as some hacker mass spammer and I had to repeal that with the uber internet authorities to get into my own websites....

Do the math, what ever that community is its not based on indigenous ways ,its more like a freak cult.

She said, it was a specialized group of called Wisdom Keepers, 1st nations throw out few of the nations, the whole who held these hidden things from the world, an from her till the age of 30 years.

In other word not every 1st nation person got a say.

U didn't have a choice about me Skys ?. an it the same for her. We did not all say hey David your going to ruin 1/3 of your life, a have every one around you pis on your head on the off chance of someone minds an life's might be change. You have to be committed to your believe. Till death come for you.

You have to fall an pick your self up an fix that problems that knocked u down, before you know what or there is a problum.

we did not have a choice in where the Anti Christ was born, just like i did not have choice in picking the Holy father but I still submit to his place on earth.

Its not a question of faith only fact.

she say some wacked stuff but, who dose not.

An when the US of A attacks some one they use the court an when they can't win there, they got a guns. at lest that what i have witnessed.

Aside from the many good things about the US of A

From what i have seen she seem to come a long way in a short time.

the Tribe of many colors is only the great dream United Earth, 4 horsemen, She talking about the White Buffalo, as if he's here. Every 1st nations tribe know the dream, every one over here knows, this dream.

Its called freedom

There major difference between the US of A an Canada.

To be a wisdom keeper, you have access to information. that no one else could, hidden, no one know. The information would have to be live relevant, in other words people need to know. An they have to know at certain time in history, in which to deliver it.

say if the wisdom Keeper of the Myna peoples < which this would be a key nations, there be only 1 he be generational passing down the information.

Throw all of the destruction upon there nations, wars an such, corporation domination of the world what ever was thrown at them) If some had lived throw all of that.

If they wanted to deliver a message, to the world or to some one.

they have to use some one like her, to show new possibility's of the magic of the world it self. She not expected to get every thing right.

she only has pass one person, not a tribe or, peoples, or government or religion.

i have read parts of her book of life. an displayed some of it. some of the more important aspect of it. Its a fact.

That's not public, the public dose not know what you all do about her, or what i have shown of her.

she would just never give up, the Wisdom Keeper, if they are real, to COURT, the wisdom keepers will not come to her aid ether because there just much at stake.

We all see the Yippeeki'a mentality of these people.

Even in Canada we still have far to go. We are all trying very hard

See the 1st nation came here an they had to take the land from who ever was here 1st. That lived here before them, an they don't exist any more.

ah but we can live in Alpha all day, old dream, pointing a fingers at each other.

I blame u, blame me.

Where dose it lead, more finger pointing,
till someone lose's an eye.

The whole time we all miss the point.


why has that E+T ship got a
symbol of god on it.

Who we all believe are aliens. Why would so called aliens need to know the symbol of god. an or use it in that way..

She said it, in her 1st videos, they be here. As well as other things.

that called foresight, the ability to see what is to come.
Shaman with a some ability.

Its my believe any thing that can be fore seen can, possibly be changed.

Skys lol verndewd,
They probably would not like me ether, so don't feel to bad, Its still dose not change the facts we are present.

[cinder_darkskys]

I would love for this stuff to be true. Maybe it still is. Just because some people are cashing in on it doesn't mean it's not true. And wouldn't it be fun to watch these cons shit their pants if things actually did start to happen.

Blackstar ; my material is all very real. I was supposed to make money off of this, it. That's what these things wanted me to do. I choose to act as i did, I felt this was just to important. that money was a gimme any ways. after I die my family will give much of my work away.

I have so much material I could an have flooded the board, all new material. what I show is real. It just dose not get more real that the problem. That's why there no one in here saying i'm faking or a fraud. Because I'm not.

At any second of any day any time the Queen her self could had me pulled down, every word. David could at any time banded me an delete every word. This site is highly controlled, an i have a bad mouth.

Nope ; they say nothing, but what they have to in, fixing the problems.

But ya there a lot money graber out there trying to cash in, You can tell good truth site, they are mainly free like Davids site with a pay membership capability.

[seercyanascens]

I would love for this stuff to be true. Maybe it still is. Just because some people are cashing in on it doesn't mean it's not true. And wouldn't it be fun to watch these cons shit their pants if things actually did start to happen.

Much of it is true. I myself experienced the receiving of information from unknown sources and was fully on board for the new wave of enlightenment. But it is like she says, it is up to us to stay positive and create the reality that we want, if we want it bad enough. The shame of the matter is that not enough people are ready to accept change. I think she made a genuine attempt to bring about a mass awakening but it failed because the timing was not right. If enough people had seen the original video and signed up then something may have happened. In the long run much credibility may have been lost by the predictions of imminent change not occurring and ended up with a degree of setback to those of us who are aware of mans errors and the ways to find our true place in the universal scheme of things.

[haukipesukone]

I first came accross this series of videos back in 2010 when I first felt like there was a real movement towards enlightenment. I found them very inspiring and found myself full of optimism for the near future. Sadly, many of the predictions made are well overdue which makes me sorry because I believe that this lady is right about what has led humans astray and I am soul to soul with her on religion and government. I believe that what she is trying to do with these videos is to start a roller-coaster momentum to carry the awakening to everyone. It is such a shame that the people of this planet are still not ready to be swept up by this movement. There is still a long way to go and it is going to take something far more than a hopeful bluff to make it happen.

Mass awakening doesn't necessarily require 80% of people going to the streets to vibrate love. Tsarion said that even during the American revolution war only 3% of the population fought against the British. So if we can get 3% or as high as 5% it might be enough.

Not that I think that the American revolution war a good and enlightening thing. I see it as another Illuminati scam, like most revolutions and wars.

[blackstar76]

Much of it is true. I myself experienced the receiving of information from unknown sources and was fully on board for the new wave of enlightenment. But it is like she says, it is up to us to stay positive and create the reality that we want, if we want it bad enough. The shame of the matter is that not enough people are ready to accept change. I think she made a genuine attempt to bring about a mass awakening but it failed because the timing was not right. If enough people had seen the original video and signed up then something may have happened. In the long run much credibility may have been lost by the predictions of imminent change not occurring and ended up with a degree of setback to those of us who are aware of mans errors and the ways to find our true place in the universal scheme of things.


But that is an easy excuse to make. In order to continue making money after predictions fail to occur. Oh the timing wasn't right, Not enough people woke up, Postponed another 5 years, GFL gave me false info. Just excuses to keep the con game going.

If 2012 comes to pass and nothing happens then I think it is time to give it up. Nothing is comming to intervein or help. We will be left on our own to slaughter the planet into extinction.

[beastcop156]

I found this to be right on the money (heh heh so to speak) Please take the time to watch all 10 segments~:o♥

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK5OOfEmut4&feature=player_embedded


Thanks.
I've saved this to watch the rest when I am not so sleepy.
:)

[braben199]

Much of it is true. I myself experienced the receiving of information from unknown sources and was fully on board for the new wave of enlightenment. But it is like she says, it is up to us to stay positive and create the reality that we want, if we want it bad enough. The shame of the matter is that not enough people are ready to accept change. I think she made a genuine attempt to bring about a mass awakening but it failed because the timing was not right. If enough people had seen the original video and signed up then something may have happened. In the long run much credibility may have been lost by the predictions of imminent change not occurring and ended up with a degree of setback to those of us who are aware of mans errors and the ways to find our true place in the universal scheme of things.

This is it. Period.

People can watch as many "guru" videos from so-called channellers or self-claimed enlightened souls or lightworkers as they wish. They can read as many books on the subject as they wish, pay for and go on as many 'enlightenment' courses as they wish. But it boils down to something as simplistic as what I highlighted above.

When people stop looking externally for the answers, or stop sitting around waiting for some bloody ET or messiah to come and save the world, and instead look internally at THEMSELVES, the world will change as a consequence.

A person cannot change the world by spreading the word. A hundred thousand gurus in all their different forms and guises have tried and failed throughout the ages. And look how humanity still ended up.

But a person can change themselves. And THAT's all that matters.

I've been a victim of all this external distraction myself, but I always have an inner yearning to shut it all off for long periods and return to my inner-place, or inner-knowing. Then I'll have a moment of weakness (usually lasts a week or two) where I get suckered back into looking externally at what others are saying and what they tell me I should be doing, saying, or thinking. I'll read all the latest gumpf and watch all the latest 'enlightnement' videos... However lately I've grew tired of sitting through these types of videos only to discover that the people giving the talk are charging (sometimes) a bloody fortune for some course or DVD or book etc. The info is not theirs to sell !! If they had the worlds best interests at heart the info would be free - all of it, for everyone. I know people need to make a living but if the world is in such a dire state as some of these so-called enlightened beings would have us believe they'd be giving these teachings away for sod all. But no... its bank balance first, save humanity second, or so it seems :confused:

Anyway they're all distraction distraction distraction. All the answers reside within you. They are not external - you will never change your world or state of being by watching youtube clips or buying the latest best-selling glossy book on "god", "love" or "how to be a good person".

If I had to quote just one guru's words to sum it up, it'd be Ghandi's when he said be the change you want to see in the world.... [because everything else will come from that].

[plat57us]

I do not believe Satan exists, . Satanism did not exist pre christianity.


What about the garden of Eden and the book of Job?

[cinder_darkskys]

Much of it is true. I myself experienced the receiving of information from unknown sources and was fully on board for the new wave of enlightenment. But it is like she says, it is up to us to stay positive and create the reality that we want, if we want it bad enough. The shame of the matter is that not enough people are ready to accept change. I think she made a genuine attempt to bring about a mass awakening but it failed because the timing was not right. If enough people had seen the original video and signed up then something may have happened. In the long run much credibility may have been lost by the predictions of imminent change not occurring and ended up with a degree of setback to those of us who are aware of mans errors and the ways to find our true place in the universal scheme of things.

I was really glad you say this, she at no time has to be in the actual location of the wisdom keeper, if they are real. they could contact her, using the planets ley line system.

the physical vessels < the people ) may or may not be aware, when there unawares is when the control factor comes in.

its the whole reason human do not have a right to privacy. which is one the reason i fight.

Another good point ;
But it is like she says, it is up to us to stay positive and create the reality that we want, if we want it bad enough.

Self god and, re create heaven. These are Illuminati programs kicking in. She can not help that. She was born in the US of A.

It just dose not work that in reality.
http://forum.davidicke.com/picture.php?albumid=831&pictureid=9353
it take specific things, self God put's u in limbo or worst. Which can work your self out of, i believe, throw the living an pray.
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she believe she, born in to slavery < because that's there main point of view, Satan mentality, in the US of A. born in to world of ash's an she WAS hell bent to bright her people directly back to burn.
http://forum.davidicke.com/picture.php?albumid=628&pictureid=8071
She not all wrong just miss guild by the passed. The Great Earth wants me to use them in that way. there own warriors want to be used in this way, world wide, but are there other ways as yet unexplored, might be better to try an work things out.
Revelation 20 (King James Version)
I like the Ojibwa line of thinking, here. A Shaman teach's a young child to throw his bow an arrow < warrior weapons ) in to the fire. he wares a buffalo skin his head as a head dress, symbol of the great sprite teaching, he dance around point, proclaiming dark force all around. at the end the evil is sucked back in to the flame. young warrior lives to fight another day in another way.
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In Christianity we have the same story, Hammering swords to plow shares

The Crazy Buffalo lives as, an Alpha guild, what was. it teach the way of pain an the lesson of the passed, its excepts generations of blood madness.

She not wrong about heaven beaning recreated. If she say that's what i'm showing it.

Heaven it self is not beining recreated, because u can not change god's heaven. U can't brake it or take it over. But whats around it, this be build upon. this something a shaman could know by feeling. understanding it putting it in to words would be very hard to do. It would sound mumbled an jumbled, an for a human person take many years to even relate the basic. This how Shaman is, there try as hard as they can to explain something they them self's can't possible under stand, because it dose not relate to there physical reality. they see relay, as best they can basic on the vessel experiences < the mind split 1 with Ego as your guild, relating right an wrong an the less of Evils to complete your mission.

Like priest we expect them to be perfect every time, but people are not perfect, as hard as they try.
Revelation 21 King James Version (KJV)

you have to remember i'm taking out the box on this site, the 1st time in your lives your looking in, not looking out. every one else in the whole world is looking out.

She Little Grandmother as connected as she is.She her self is, look out to, while you few have the opportunity to look in, an see how hard is for religion to, just under stand the sprites, an what between us an God. Let alone god him self. who all these places an live forums, making it all work.

Skys She only human as are we all.

[seercyanascens]

Mass awakening doesn't necessarily require 80% of people going to the streets to vibrate love. Tsarion said that even during the American revolution war only 3% of the population fought against the British. So if we can get 3% or as high as 5% it might be enough.

Not that I think that the American revolution war a good and enlightening thing. I see it as another Illuminati scam, like most revolutions and wars.

I know what you are saying. Its like this country was once dominated by a 1% population of Normans. But there has to be an amazing strategy employed by the 3% to come from behind and turn over the powers that be at the moment. Awareness won't save you from persecution and sectioning for believing in an entirely alien (to them) way of being. It certainly won't save you from a bullet or a bomb. This revolution needs to carry a big majority vote in order to overcome the die-hard capitalist dream.

[seercyanascens]

But that is an easy excuse to make. In order to continue making money after predictions fail to occur. Oh the timing wasn't right, Not enough people woke up, Postponed another 5 years, GFL gave me false info. Just excuses to keep the con game going.

If 2012 comes to pass and nothing happens then I think it is time to give it up. Nothing is comming to intervein or help. We will be left on our own to slaughter the planet into extinction.

Well this is an area that is always going to attract charlotans, fakes and phonies, simply because of the extraordinary nature of the subject. If you happen to have a vivid imagination then it is possible to conjur up a whole host of fantastic possibilities to attract a following. On the other hand people do have moments of pure insight and perception of future events but the difficulty in getting the timing right must be the hardest. I must admit that I am very disappointed that these predictions failed to arrive on time but if you dismiss someone who seems like a genuine carer, with a real understanding of where we have gone wrong, it is a mistake to become negative about the possibility of things ever happening in the future. Positive thinking and subconscious programming are the methods of bringing the change. It does not matter whether she has made bucks out of the deal, every single one of us would not turn our noses up at a financial reward for our endeavours, aint that right Verndewd? it is how the dollar is used that counts.

[haukipesukone]

I'd like to share my personal doubts regarding Crother. I've liked her videos, but there are a few things she's said that have set my skeptic bells ringing.

- How she tells people to only focus on the positive, only let the positive energies affect you. She tells us to shut off the news for example. I see it more as sticking your head in the sand, than spirituality. If you are spiritual you can hear the nasty news that are happening, but not let it affect you
- She tells about the space brothers that love us. It is possible they exist, but we should be vary of aliens bearing gifts
- She said how there are plasma beings or something from the hollow earth that have arrived in Mexico and that the Mexican officials are quite open about the fact that they are in contact. I googled the plasma beings and all I found was Drunvalo Melchizedek's claims about this. I didn't find anyone else mentioning this. I don't speak Spanish so if there are Mexicans talking about it, I might not have understood it (however I did try to find something in Spanish anyway by using google translation or something). However if what she said is true, I'm sure word would have spread elsewhere. To me it sounds like she just watched the Melchizedek video and has no insider info.

I don't consider Melchizedek very credible either. He says a lot of things, but it seems to be classified or whatever. No sources.

Drunvalo Melchizedek Plasma Beings ITs (Part 1/3) Nov 2010 - YouTube

[cinder_darkskys]

I'd like to share my personal doubts regarding Crother. I've liked her videos, but there are a few things she's said that have set my skeptic bells ringing.

- How she tells people to only focus on the positive, only let the positive energies affect you. She tells us to shut off the news for example. I see it more as sticking your head in the sand, than spirituality. If you are spiritual you can hear the nasty news that are happening, but not let it affect you
- She tells about the space brothers that love us. It is possible they exist, but we should be vary of aliens bearing gifts
- She said how there are plasma beings or something from the hollow earth that have arrived in Mexico and that the Mexican officials are quite open about the fact that they are in contact. I googled the plasma beings and all I found was Drunvalo Melchizedek's claims about this. I didn't find anyone else mentioning this. I don't speak Spanish so if there are Mexicans talking about it, I might not have understood it (however I did try to find something in Spanish anyway by using google translation or something). However if what she said is true, I'm sure word would have spread elsewhere. To me it sounds like she just watched the Melchizedek video and has no insider info.

I don't consider Melchizedek very credible either. He says a lot of things, but it seems to be classified or whatever. No sources.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjiVBiEC8RI

I love the video an when throw a few.

- She tells about the space brothers that love us. It is possible they exist, but we should be vary of aliens bearing gifts

That a real good point.

I don't think she wrong when she say; We can change the world.

I spent the passed few days thinking about that statement, we can change the world.

Great video, i like the guy, i got a good feeling about him. He seem very up beat about about his E+T friends. I'm always left with a Venus Flytrap impression. Its very hard to explain.



Skys

[cinder_darkskys]

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[liami]

I found this to be right on the money (heh heh so to speak) Please take the time to watch all 10 segments~:o♥

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK5OOfEmut4&feature=player_embedded

Her again??? :mad: Don't bother! Really!:cool:

[soppi]

She's been exposed as a fraud I believe.. I have to admit being sucked in at first as she appeared so genuine.. there's good info here:http://keishacrowther-fraud.blogspot.com/2011/06/salish-elders-clarify.html

[liami]

She's been exposed as a fraud I believe.. I have to admit being sucked in at first as she appeared so genuine.. there's good info here:http://keishacrowther-fraud.blogspot.com/2011/06/salish-elders-clarify.html

+1
all part of the process of fine tuning our perception..........there are quite a few doing it ,"sometimes satan comes as a man of peace"

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[cinder_darkskys]

Video link ; Native Indian music " White Buffalo"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrBCPv95Ofw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrBCPv95Ofw&feature=related

Video Link ; WUAUQUIKUNA - Buffalo white
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM8iyJu1TnA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM8iyJu1TnA&feature=related

Skys

[cinder_darkskys]

Video link ; Puppy Baby Wolf Howl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEk2FbsHZSM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEk2FbsHZSM

Video link ; Don't Mess With These Wolves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK9tfq8awC8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK9tfq8awC8&feature=related

Video link ; WOLVES ATTACK HUMANS AND SLED-DOGS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J40-KDT_X2A&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J40-KDT_X2A&feature=related

The fangs of a Wolf is made to cause bleed damage. They do not normally drink water. They get that from the blood they take.

Skys