Stars Do Not Exist

[de_shit]

I was just reflecting upon something me and a friend figured out this summer and I figured it out even more.

Stars as we know them, do not exist. I believe the white dots in the sky are aliens. Stars are too far away to see, hence the turquoise universe. If a white dot in the sky is a star, then when you get closer and closer to it it would be fucking huge as hell, much larger than a billion of our suns. JUST THINK ABOUT IT AND IT MAKES SENSE.

I figured out this with a friend when we watched UFOs in the night sky near a Freemason building in Moscow near Cincinnati Ohio. These white dots moved a couple inches and stopped and it seemed as if whole constellations moved and stopped. I guess no one ever noticed it or if they did, they didn't tell the public about it. I know for a fact that the white moving dots that I saw were not of this world. They moved to fast and too high and dots that didn't move for 20 minutes, moved at least 15 inches in the sky and stopped moving, like to a whole different hemisphere or something, in a matter of 10 seconds. I watched dots travel in triangles and its pretty scary when you see it because you see some "star" move out of nowhere and its funny that the aliens think we cant see them up there. I suppose I am one of the few people that have realized this.

[sunyatta60]

Mate your theory is not as crazy has it seems people have traditionally believed that stars are human souls this was very much the belief of the Ancient Egyptians. If the sun is hot why does it get cold when you go 5 mile up?
Is everything expanding in the Universe together you me the earth the sun the galaxy etc.
This science writer thinks so, enjoy the link the book is very good.

http://www.thefinaltheory.com/homepage.html

[sangye]

These white dots moved a couple inches and stopped and it seemed as if whole constellations moved and stopped.


I saw the same thing the other night:eek:

First i tought it was a small plane but it stoped and then moved again after a few minutes.Then it just stood there for the rest of the night.

It moved about an inch i would say....

[lightbeing]

I was just reflecting upon something me and a friend figured out this summer and I figured it out even more.

Stars as we know them, do not exist. I believe the white dots in the sky are aliens. Stars are too far away to see, hence the turquoise universe. If a white dot in the sky is a star, then when you get closer and closer to it it would be fucking huge as hell, much larger than a billion of our suns. JUST THINK ABOUT IT AND IT MAKES SENSE.

I figured out this with a friend when we watched UFOs in the night sky near a Freemason building in Moscow near Cincinnati Ohio. These white dots moved a couple inches and stopped and it seemed as if whole constellations moved and stopped. I guess no one ever noticed it or if they did, they didn't tell the public about it. I know for a fact that the white moving dots that I saw were not of this world. They moved to fast and too high and dots that didn't move for 20 minutes, moved at least 15 inches in the sky and stopped moving, like to a whole different hemisphere or something, in a matter of 10 seconds. I watched dots travel in triangles and its pretty scary when you see it because you see some "star" move out of nowhere and its funny that the aliens think we cant see them up there. I suppose I am one of the few people that have realized this.

Good one, my mate & I on a number of skywatches have noticed this as well. We thought we were looking at stars when suddenly they would start moving!:eek::) What a great way to observe us without causing attention to themselves!:cool:

[chattanova]

If the sun is hot why does it get cold when you go 5 mile up?



Because the sunlight is reflecting at the ground and warms it up (I think:confused:)

[2013]

Heat risies doesnt it :D lol still some very good questions and are the stars just pin holes in the curtain of night Ramirez to mc cloud highlander :D

[lottie]

I reckon there aint no stars up there at all:D,

i heard that some stars arnt actually there as they burnt out thousands of yrs ago but the speed of light is delayed by thousands or hundreds of years too....so we are actually seeing the light from them that was but they arnt there.... am i talking crap....was someone winding me up? or is this actually common knowledge and im real slow?

sometimes i can be incredibly dense...tonight's one of 'em!! :D

[lightbeing]

I reckon there aint no stars up there at all:D,

i heard that some stars arnt actually there as they burnt out thousands of yrs ago but the speed of light is delayed by thousands or hundreds of years too....so we are actually seeing the light from them that was but they arnt there.... am i talking crap....was someone winding me up? or is this actually common knowledge and im real slow?

sometimes i can be incredibly dense...tonight's one of 'em!! :D

No Lotts, you are right:) We are seeing the light of the dead star still travelling here, it's that far away!:eek: Get your head round that!;):eek:

[castle]

I reckon there aint no stars up there at all:D,

i heard that some stars arnt actually there as they burnt out thousands of yrs ago but the speed of light is delayed by thousands or hundreds of years too....so we are actually seeing the light from them that was but they arnt there.... am i talking crap....was someone winding me up? or is this actually common knowledge and im real slow?

sometimes i can be incredibly dense...tonight's one of 'em!! :D



Although light travels extremely quickly (186,282.397 miles per second) it still takes time for the light from stars to get to out eyes. This picture below shows how long it would take from someone switching a light source on, on the Moon to how long it would take for you to see it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/60/Speed_of_light_from_Earth_to_Moon.gif/460px-Speed_of_light_from_Earth_to_Moon.gif

Stars can be such huge distances away that the time it takes for their light to get to us can be incredibly long time. Therefore a star your looking at may well have died many years ago.

It takes around 8 minutes for the light from the sun to reach our eyes. So when you see the sun you actually see the sun as it was around 8 minutes ago and there's no guarantee that in those 8 minuets it hasn't disappeared.

Science fact is much stranger than science fiction.

[stargazer]

Hi everyone, great posts and good points. :)

As I was reading this, something else started to bug me.

Look a this picture of Andromeda galaxy, our supposed closest neighbor galaxy.

http://www.astrofoto.ca/stuartheggie/ccd_photos/M31_LRGB_V1.jpg

I've noticed the bright center of galaxy and there was a glare from center even around Andromeda.

The question is; why can't we see the center of milky way and a glare all around us?
If we can observe this with telescope in Andromeda, why not here in our own galaxy?

I mean, photons are the same, galaxy is similar - with a bright core with lots of little photons flying around, I mean it's not like you would have to zoom out in order to see our galaxy center. Right?

Something is not right here, or am I missing something.

[lilly555]

I reckon there aint no stars up there at all:D,

i heard that some stars arnt actually there as they burnt out thousands of yrs ago but the speed of light is delayed by thousands or hundreds of years too....so we are actually seeing the light from them that was but they arnt there.... am i talking crap....was someone winding me up? or is this actually common knowledge and im real slow?

sometimes i can be incredibly dense...tonight's one of 'em!! :D

no lottie that is common knowledge you were correct:)

although they used to say that the earth was flat too so who knows?

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[gorgeousbutterfly]

i thought stars were suns???

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[edit]

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[mountain]

My friend and I used to watch stars for that purpose because we knew theyt would around. Some appear ver stationary, while others are clearly imposters. They would be very sparkly and wobbly. Once, we watched three in particular form huge obtuse triangle in the sky and they stayed in that formation for the rest of the evening. Very strange indeed.

I can guarantee that if anyone goes outdoors ona clear night and sit still to watch them, they will see some strange activity.

[lottie]

no lottie that is common knowledge you were correct:)

although they used to say that the earth was flat too so who knows?

I bunked off school a lot you see.....!!! :rolleyes::D didnt actually learn as much mainstream science as i should have!!! (but thats not a bad thing really is is?!! lol) I think ive learned more about science in the last year than i ever did in my entire school life! :)

[mercuryrapids]

Hi everyone, great posts and good points. :)

As I was reading this, something else started to bug me.

Look a this picture of Andromeda galaxy, our supposed closest neighbor galaxy.

http://www.astrofoto.ca/stuartheggie/ccd_photos/M31_LRGB_V1.jpg

I've noticed the bright center of galaxy and there was a glare from center even around Andromeda.

The question is; why can't we see the center of milky way and a glare all around us?
If we can observe this with telescope in Andromeda, why not here in our own galaxy?

I mean, photons are the same, galaxy is similar - with a bright core with lots of little photons flying around, I mean it's not like you would have to zoom out in order to see our galaxy center. Right?

Something is not right here, or am I missing something.

As the solar system is located deep in one of the spiral arms of the Milky Way galaxy, we see it edge on. The centre of the galaxy is blocked from view by dust clouds:

http://www.astro.lu.se/Resources/Vintergatan/milkyway.gif

If the solar system was located above or below the arms, we would see the galaxy in all its glory. :)

http://homepages.wmich.edu/~korista/stargal-images/milkyway_garlick_big.jpg

[amadeus]

The question is; why can't we see the center of milky way and a glare all around us?


Just a quick comment. I'm not sure this has to do with your question, but those wonderful and exciting images of f.e. galaxies are enhanced (some kind of filtering I believe) to give them more colors and contrast. In other words, the galaxy wouldn't in real life look exactly like in the photos?

As for the stars...hmm...that's a interesting question. I also have had the feeling the theory of the stars being distant suns is somehow suspicious.

[mercuryrapids]

Virtually all astronomical images are taken with long exposures or are composites of numerous images to enhance detail. More often than not, false colours are added later to further enhance details.

[stargazer]

Thank you, mercuryrapids, for explaining things.
It makes sense when you put it like that. :)

[mercuryrapids]

No problem. :) Of course, that's what science tells us and they've been wrong before.. lol :D

[castle]

My friend and I used to watch stars for that purpose because we knew theyt would around. Some appear ver stationary, while others are clearly imposters. They would be very sparkly and wobbly. Once, we watched three in particular form huge obtuse triangle in the sky and they stayed in that formation for the rest of the evening. Very strange indeed.

I can guarantee that if anyone goes outdoors ona clear night and sit still to watch them, they will see some strange activity.

Ive been an avid star watcher for over 30 years now and i must say i have never seen any activity in the stars that cannot be explained with a basic knowledge of what you are looking at.

[2013]

Although light travels extremely quickly (186,282.397 miles per second) it still takes time for the light from stars to get to out eyes. This picture below shows how long it would take from someone switching a light source on, on the Moon to how long it would take for you to see it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/60/Speed_of_light_from_Earth_to_Moon.gif/460px-Speed_of_light_from_Earth_to_Moon.gif

Stars can be such huge distances away that the time it takes for their light to get to us can be incredibly long time. Therefore a star your looking at may well have died many years ago.

It takes around 8 minutes for the light from the sun to reach our eyes. So when you see the sun you actually see the sun as it was around 8 minutes ago and there's no guarantee that in those 8 minuets it hasn't disappeared.

Science fact is much stranger than science fiction.

If you where travelling on a space ship at the speed of light and you turned the light on would anything happen Steven Wright great comedian check him out you tube or google vid .

if we see the light hundreds of thousands of years after it was actually reflected how do we know we are actually here to see it ? :eek::D:rolleyes:
If this is as we think an illusionand a hologram is that why we disappear when we turn out the light .Next timeyou are in the dark with a friend or significant other look at them and grin dont talk just grin a big clown like grin ,they know and they are scared try it it,s fun :DLottie i think ive caught a case of mad piscean malady what have you been A- drinking?
B- smoking , C- eating or D- all four :D

[2013]

It takes around 8 minutes for the light from the sun to reach our eyes. So when you see the sun you actually see the sun as it was around 8 minutes ago and there's no guarantee that in those 8 minuets it hasn't disappeared.

Science fact is much stranger than science fiction.

The movement of the sun creates the pattern of a number eight , its on a thread here somewhere if i find it again i'll link it .Also the buddah followed the eight fold path and all the cells in your body die off and renew themselves every seven years apart from the original 8 cells located in the sloar plexus where buddah contemplated his navel .The original cell divides into 2 then 4 then 8 and so on but the original 8 remain the same number of minutes it takes the light from the sun to reach us sun the same pattern it transcribes in the sky the number of infinity.The greek name of jesus relates to 888 as they have numbers for letters as well .Maybe thisisthe true vibration of this universe an octave is 8 musical vibration the music of the spheres ,maybe that is why 666 the beast is at odds with this dimension ? :D

[auron]

You're all wrong.

We are living inside an all black, bouncy ball.

When we look up, we see stars. But they are not!!

They are little holes that have been made with nails. Outside of this black ball, that we live in, is a room full of people with super powerful torches, shining them onto the holes.

We think they are stars, but they are just holes letting light through.

[edit]

You're all wrong.

We are living inside an all black, bouncy ball.

When we look up, we see stars. But they are not!!

They are little holes that have been made with nails. Outside of this black ball, that we live in, is a room full of people with super powerful torches, shining them onto the holes.

We think they are stars, but they are just holes letting light through.Thats really ka-n-can-fan fun-funny auron :p
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[lilly555]

This picture below shows how long it would take from someone switching a light source on, on the Moon to how long it would take for you to see it.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/60/Speed_of_light_from_Earth_to_Moon.gif/460px-Speed_of_light_from_Earth_to_Moon.gif


Ermm.I don't mean to nit-pick but this pic shows light coming from the earth to the moon. Not the other way around mister. :p

[thisisactuallymyluciddream]

I am an avid star watcher as well, especially is the summer when you can sit outside for longer than 20 minutes at night. I remember hearing or reading somewhere that looking at the milky way we are actually looking back to before the fall of Rome, I found that very peculiar and hard to grasp.

[chandrakavi]

You're all wrong.

We are living inside an all black, bouncy ball.

When we look up, we see stars. But they are not!!

They are little holes that have been made with nails. Outside of this black ball, that we live in, is a room full of people with super powerful torches, shining them onto the holes.

We think they are stars, but they are just holes letting light through.


It has been shown that what we see as stars, is the light showing us
that as if it were still there.
True, none of us has left the earth ever, and have been to a star or stars,
but the speed of light explanation does make sense.
They are stars that were there ONCE, but not anymore.
Agree with you Auron!:D:)
It is something ROMANTIC, but not real.

[i am all i am]

You're all wrong.

We are living inside an all black, bouncy ball.

When we look up, we see stars. But they are not!!

They are little holes that have been made with nails. Outside of this black ball, that we live in, is a room full of people with super powerful torches, shining them onto the holes.

We think they are stars, but they are just holes letting light through.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Auron.

I had a similar thought around 8 years ago now, but mine was the infinite shining in on us. The ALL THAT IS, shining away infinitely, and piercing the 'ball' that we perceive of as our reality, and it is misinterpreted by us as stars in the sky.

In one way, it makes a lot of sense, although it could be total bollocks as well.

Maybe the light could even be the souls coming from ALL THAT IS after having individuated themselves, piercing the darkness (ball) on their way to incarnating here.

Ahhhh, you gotta love the imagination eh !!!

THANK YOU.



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[soap]

This is a bit insane, actually. Stars do exist, we feel heat on earth where there is none in space because of the way solar radiation reacts with various layers such as the ionosphere and ozone layers around earth.

But by the same token, its not hard to disguise your spaceship as a star to anyone without a telescope to hand.
But on another note - there's also ALOT of rubbish floating around up in orbit, some of it will just unaccountably start moving as it gets caught by a solar wind eddie.

[freedomnonfighter]

Well I don't really doubt stars exist.. but my imagination does take me on some exciting journeys sometimes.. :)

For all I know... this is a giant Truman show set... it certainly feels like it :p
http://nemorathwald.com/files/trumanlight.JPG

[teslafire]

Soular Systems?

[friendsinthesky]

I prefer the Jodie Foster version in 'Contact'. That seems more logical, a heavenly beauty up there and I can't wait to see it in real-time.

[messiah]

i rememeber back in november 2005 i was out in the back garden appreciating the sky at night as its great around that time of the year, all of a sudden i saw what appeared to be just plain stars move, there was two of them moving in a staight motion kinda like a plane would only faster and they looked exactly like stars nothin like planes, that was my first experience with these, i have seen them since too

[thefallguy]

Hi these objects appear where some of the stars are supposed to be. That time in history that so many people talk about (no not the false invasion crap) is dawning very quickly.

"Stars" or Space Objects as filmed by John Lenard Walson.

Episode 42 - Far Above Space and Time - Eleven Dimensions to Untold Truths (new location) 301 Moved Permanently

Saturn Rising These Objects around Saturn must be huge.
301 Moved Permanently

NEW Unknown Space Object.
301 Moved Permanently

Bright Red Objects in Space
301 Moved Permanently

Bright Blue and Silver Space Objects
301 Moved Permanently

Bright Silver / White Objects in Space
301 Moved Permanently

enjoy!

[de_shit]

Whoa I didn't think this thread would take off but it did. But people still haven't explained that if stars are so far away, how can you see them? Like I said before, look at our sun and see how big it is. Then look at the stars. How can those stars be that far away? How can those things be suns? They're not! You cant see other suns because they're too far away if they exist at all. Maybe this world is just a matrix level where we cant get out of it and go to another world. Look at NASA pictures of Mars from Earth and doesn't the red planet look the same exact size as some of the stars that we see? DING DING EARTH TO PEOPLE COME IN PEOPLE!

[mercuryrapids]

Like I said before, look at our sun and see how big it is. Then look at the stars. How can those stars be that far away? How can those things be suns?

We see stars of varying brightness (magnitude) because of their differing distances and sizes. The brightest stars tend to be closer, the dimmest further away. Of course there are quite a few dim close stars and some very bright distant ones as well. Sirius is quite close (just over 8 light years) and is the brightest star in the sky (apart from the Sun) with a magnitude of -1.43. If you went to Sirius, though, our Sun would only be of a magnitude 1.93. This is because the Sun is a much fainter star than Sirius. from a distance of 10 parsecs (32-ish light years), the Sun would have an absolute magnitude of 4.83, while Sirius from the same distance would have a magnitude of 1.47.

Mars looks like a star because it is reflecting sunlight. Viewed through a telescope, it would appear as a disc. View a star through a normal telescope (i.e. not one of these amazing, super-epensive NASA/ESA orbital jobbies :) ) and it will always appear as a point of light.

[368jrn]

The current record for furthest away galaxy is 13.2 billion light years. If the light has taken 13.2 billion years to reach us, then how long has it taken for physical distance between our galaxies to emerge?

Matter cannot theoretically travel faster than light, so even if the galaxies were distancing themselves at 20% light speed, that would mean that the actual time taken to cause the distance between our galaxies would be 13.2 x 5 billion years, or 66 billion years, no? But current estimates put the age of the universe at between 12-20 billion years. So whats all that about?:)

Anybody got any ideas?

[de_shit]

People still don't understand the depth of my question. They use "scientific fact", which is usually disinfo, to prove something.

[uchiha]

The current record for furthest away galaxy is 13.2 billion light years. If the light has taken 13.2 billion years to reach us, then how long has it taken for physical distance between our galaxies to emerge?

Matter cannot theoretically travel faster than light, so even if the galaxies were distancing themselves at 20% light speed, that would mean that the actual time taken to cause the distance between our galaxies would be 13.2 x 5 billion years, or 66 billion years, no? But current estimates put the age of the universe at between 12-20 billion years. So whats all that about?:)

Anybody got any ideas?

wow, i am really really interested in this thread

Once people start dishing information i soak it up
Im having a bit of trouble grasping what your saying.. but it will unravel probably by the time im done writing this (decipher it a bit for me)

Anyway to the original poster.. your saying you dont think stars exist because it takes long for us to see them?
they still existed
and they seem the same size because of Depth and distance away they are
if you put the sun far away enough from earth. and somehow shown some light on mars. u could make them look the same size too
pretty basic

[mercuryrapids]

The universe expansion model is still a very contentious theory, I think. It has been reported that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, which would suggest something is either pulling from the outside (wherever that is! :) ) or something pushing from the centre. Dark matter or dark energy is one of the favourite culprits, if I recall correctly, that stuff that makes up 99+% of the material in the universe, yet we can't see or detect it!

I recall reading somewhere that some stars have been dated to being older than the age of the universe, which is a bit of a problem...lol :) Basically, it's an ongoing study and, no doubt, the more we discover, the more mysterious the universe will become. ;)

[adimon]

This is a bit insane, actually. Stars do exist, we feel heat on earth where there is none in space because of the way solar radiation reacts with various layers such as the ionosphere and ozone layers around earth.

But by the same token, its not hard to disguise your spaceship as a star to anyone without a telescope to hand.
But on another note - there's also ALOT of rubbish floating around up in orbit, some of it will just unaccountably start moving as it gets caught by a solar wind eddie.

i rememeber back in november 2005 i was out in the back garden appreciating the sky at night as its great around that time of the year, all of a sudden i saw what appeared to be just plain stars move, there was two of them moving in a staight motion kinda like a plane would only faster and they looked exactly like stars nothin like planes, that was my first experience with these, i have seen them since too

Yes these are good posts. 'Stars' which appear to move are one of a few things: mainly they are UFOs - which are aircraft the authorities haven't told us about yet (http://users.cihost.com/ata/aircraft.htm).

Secondly, as soap says, there are thousands upon thousands of satellites in orbit, and fairly regularly, they are knocked or swept or malfunction so that they move, and either continue to move for a while or crash into earth.

Lastly, there are a reasonable number of space missions from the various agencies on earth, so occasionally you may witness a spaceship on it's way up or down from space.

We don't know everything about stars we'd like to - but we do have extremely high powered telescopes to look at them through - even if the light which arrives from them takes a long time. They are stars though, not people or aliens. :)

[gorgeousbutterfly]

stars exist ok? you nutters :D

[castle]

The current record for furthest away galaxy is 13.2 billion light years. If the light has taken 13.2 billion years to reach us, then how long has it taken for physical distance between our galaxies to emerge?

Matter cannot theoretically travel faster than light, so even if the galaxies were distancing themselves at 20% light speed, that would mean that the actual time taken to cause the distance between our galaxies would be 13.2 x 5 billion years, or 66 billion years, no? But current estimates put the age of the universe at between 12-20 billion years. So whats all that about?:)

Anybody got any ideas?

Most estimates of the Hubble Constant have hovered around 50, which implies that the universe is about 20 billion years old

At the point of the big band the the universe expanded in all directions. So something that went one way and something else that went the other could be twice the distance away from each other but still traveling at the same rate you suggest. I understand that we are not on the edge of the universe and the galaxy they saw is probably not on the edge either but we still have the 20% figure to play with.

[mercuryrapids]

Didn't some clever boffin calculate that the speed of light hasn't been constant since the Big Bang and that in the early universe, it was faster or slower (can't remember which)?

Also, it must be remembered that universe expansion means just that. It's not just all the galaxies rushing away from each other, space itself is also expanding - apparently. Wherever you are in the universe, you seem to be in the centre, with everything moving away from you.

[messiah]

hey all, check this video on youtube, go to 15:30 minutes, it talks of stars in the skies moving around, in 1492 when coloumbus was sailing etc, interesting

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[demiurge]

also saw something looking like a star in the sky moving and dissapearing(acctually the glow was fading as it was moving), don t know what it could be(meteor,comet,ufo,wasn t a plain though i´m sure, at least not any of the passanger type).don´t want to interfearin your conversations since i ve hear a lot of theories about the universe and about the question concerning the light of distant stars, such as that are universe is of a rather newer date and the ammount of years it would take for a light of distant stars to travel to us... don t really know, it s probablly all dependent in what you are willing to bellive.

[adimon]

'Stars' which appear to move are one of a few things: mainly they are UFOs - which are aircraft the authorities haven't told us about yet.

Sorry just realised that my hyperlink above wasn't very clear. Posting it again in case some missed it and want to see.

http://users.cihost.com/ata/aircraft.htm

[smariot]

Ermm.I don't mean to nit-pick but this pic shows light coming from the earth to the moon. Not the other way around mister. :p

You're correct, and it's supposed to be like that. You, standing on Earth, turn on a light. The light takes that long to reach the moon.

If you where travelling on a space ship at the speed of light and you turned the light on would anything happen

Assuming the light was already on, to the rest of the universe, the light is traveling at the same speed as your space ship. You can't turn the light on once you're traveling at the speed of light, since time ceases to exist for you, and you're completely frozen to the rest of the universe, aside from the hurtling through space at the speed of light thing.

From your perspective, the universe has become two dimensional, and the distance between your origin and your destination becomes zero. For every second you experience, 0^-1 seconds elapse for the rest of the universe. That number is undefined, but I imagine its comparable to the amount of time it would take for all the atoms in the universe to just completely by chance arrange themselves into a statue of my likeness, although probably longer.

Assuming you could still experience time like this, the light you turned on would appear to move away from you at the speed of light. For the rest of the universe though, in one second for you, the light will have traveled 299792*0^-1 kilometers, another undefined number.

So, to summarize, one of the following happens:


The universe vanishes, because you've some how managed to travel beyond the end of space and time. All that exists from your perspective is you and your spaceship. The light appears to travel at the speed of light. Oh my gosh, what a surprise.
You experience no time after reaching the speed of light, and therefore have no chance to turn on a light or measure its speed before you arrive at your destination or crash into something and die, which will appear to be instantaneous from your perspective. This is most likely the correct answer.

[castle]

The important idea behind special relativity is that no matter what speed you are moving the speed of light for you is the same as anyone else. So, in
your car moving at the speed of light, the light from the headlights will move off from the car at the speed of light So they will light your way. Or sort of Because as you approach c objects and distances in your path will appear to contract, and even at the speed of light the reflection from your headlights will not get back to you in time to do much good. In relativity speeds do not combine by simple addition.

An amusing book is "Mr. Tompkins in Wonderland," by
George Gamow, which relates tales of what would happen if c = 30 MPH,
say, or Planck's constant were so large that ordinary objects had
strong quantum mechanical behavior.

[smariot]

Are you disagreeing with me? At the speed of light you can't experience anything.


For you, the light is moving away at the speed of light.
For the external observer, the light is moving away at the speed of light.
You were already traveling at the speed of light, therefore the light isn't moving in relation to you.
From your perspective, if the light hasn't moved forward at all during your trip, then no time must have elapsed.
If no time has elapsed, then you must not have been able to experience anything, and the trip will have appeared to end in the same instant it began.

[castle]

Even though you are traveling at c the light will still travel away from you at c. The seep of light is a constant no matter what your situation.

[smariot]

And where am I contradicting that?

Light traveling at c + Light hasn't moved = No time has elapsed. (For you)
Light traveling at c + Light has traveled a million miles = 5.4 seconds have elapsed. (For everyone else)

Luxon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxon#Experiencing_time)

A luxon is a particle that always travels at the speed of light.
...
Luxons do not experience time.

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Bob Marley - Africa Unite >> YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Bob Marley - Africa Unite Lyrics



Africa unite
'Cause we're moving right out of Babylon
And we're going to our Father's land

How good and how pleasant it would be
Before God and man
To see the unification of all Africans
As it's been said already
Let it be done right now
We are the children of the Rastaman
We are the children of the Higher Man

So Africa unite, Africa unite, yeah
Africa unite
'Cause we're moving right out of Babylon
And we're grooving to our Father's land

How good and how pleasant it would be
Before God and man
To see the unification of all Africans
As it's been said let it be done
I tell you who we are under the sun
We are the children of the Rastaman
We are the children of the Higher Man

So Africa unite, Africa unite, yeah
Africa unite 'cause the children want
To come home, Africa unite, Africa unite
It's later, later than you think
It's later, later than you think
Unite for the benefit of your people
Unite for the Africans abroad
Unite for the Africans a yard

Rasta, or the Rastafari Rastafari movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,----Rastafari (http://members.home.nl/mrcornello/rastafari.htm)
Rastaphara http://a511.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/28/s_ba3fd79c4d037a9ea6ba9b39070dfa1e.jpg
------Africa---APARA--Para (Fara-Fari)
APARA - American Pan-African Relief Agencies, Inc. (http://www.apara.org/programs.asp)

Day 2, Gita Jnana Yagna (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:rgyr1SJRfe8J:www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/5294/day2.html+apara+means&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=nl)
Para means above and Apara means below. So, this was passed on from one generation to the next. It is not possible to understand or learn without a Guru. ...
www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/5294/day2.html


Day 7, Gita Jnana Yagna (http://www.gitaaonline.com/day7.html)
So this means that, the teacher teaches both Jnanam and Ajnanam. Apara means the Vedas and the Vedangas. Para refers to that which gives us the Darshan of ...
www.gitaaonline.com/day7.html

__Bhagavad-gita 7.4-5

bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh
kham mano buddhir eva ca
ahankara itiyam me
bhinna prakrtir astadha
apareyam itas tv anyam
prakrtim viddhi me pram
jiva-bhutam maha-baho
yayedam dharyate jagat

Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence, and false ego - all together these eight constitute My separated material energies.

Besides these, O mighty-armed Arjuna, there is another, superior energy of Mine, which comprises the living entities who are exploiting the resources of this material, inferior nature.

__Bhagavad-gita 7.4-5



The Source of All Energy (http://webcom.com/~ara/col/magazine/BTG/btgjf95/soe.html)
Apara means "inferior." Just as we compare things in this world and say that one thing is inferior and another superior, here Krsna analyzes Himself. ...
webcom.com/~ara/col/magazine/BTG/btgjf95/soe.html

[de_shit]

That last post is a bunch of horse shit. Ive never seen such a random post in my life dude. GorgeousButterfly, you said "stars exist, ok?" Well how do you know Oneness exists? Its something you feel in your heart. Thats the same with some of the shit I see in the sky. I saw a couple of sylphs a couple days ago. They ate 3 holes in the rain clouds over my city. How do I know they exist? In my heart, I don't think that the sky can just make holes in clouds by itself. Now there are people in here with weird observations on the sky like Auron, who seems like hes high all of the time, and you have the other side of the spectrum, the dude who say its everyday phenomenon, which is total bullshit. They are both the same, just read the posts, see my evidence and make your own decisions. You don't have to agree with stuff that I have chosen to believe. Just read what is said in here and think to yourself, does this make sense/do I relate to this (aka have I seen things move in the sky like that before).

I discovered the star thing in the summer in June or something when I spent time with my friend miles away from our home when we rode our bikes 25 miles into the country side in the fucking dark. We saw stars everywhere when we laid down on a dock on the river side. We observed the night sky for no reason. And about 20 minutes into it, my friend said "look at that, the star just moved" and I looked up and saw shit moving everywhere. I saw some shooting stars, Ive seen them 5 times in my life (no, only a few of the wishes came true :( ), and what I saw when the stars moved, was not explainable other than UFOs. Unidentifuckingfied flying objects: UFO. And when we came back, when we looked up, we were able to see the stars that move. I suggest everyone do that, and see for themselves that the stars "do not exist". Not all of the stars moved, ok. But a shit load did, and we made a consensus judgment based on the facts we were presented with that night.

[thefallguy]

Here's a video mixing fiction with true reality. Most of the factual unknown space objects in this film are supposed to be stars, although close up they don't really look like what we would expect them to. There are also stills of the space shuttle a satelite and something never quite seen before(SWP).

Episode 44 - Far Above Space and Time - Knowledge of the Unknown - Fact and Fiction in our Reality.

301 Moved Permanently

10 min long video.

GK.

[castle]

The current record for furthest away galaxy is 13.2 billion light years. If the light has taken 13.2 billion years to reach us, then how long has it taken for physical distance between our galaxies to emerge?

Matter cannot theoretically travel faster than light, so even if the galaxies were distancing themselves at 20% light speed, that would mean that the actual time taken to cause the distance between our galaxies would be 13.2 x 5 billion years, or 66 billion years, no? But current estimates put the age of the universe at between 12-20 billion years. So whats all that about?:)

Anybody got any ideas?

Inflation (cosmology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[castle]

I was wondering how rapid this movement of stars is. How far do they appear to move and in what sort of time?

[friendsinthesky]

I saw some shooting stars, Ive seen them 5 times in my life (no, only a few of the wishes came true :( ), and what I saw when the stars moved, was not explainable other than UFOs. Unidentifuckingfied flying objects: UFO. And when we came back, when we looked up, we were able to see the stars that move. I suggest everyone do that, and see for themselves that the stars "do not exist". Not all of the stars moved, ok. But a shit load did, and we made a consensus judgment based on the facts we were presented with that night.


So, stars that move are not stars. What about the stars that never move? Still stars right?

I've seen stars move, but I don't consider them to be stars, only they are UFO's disguising themselves as stars.

I've also seen shooting stars in a different way. Like 6 at a time. 3 enter to the left and 3 to the right. (mind blowing)

[cleopatraxxx]

The current record for furthest away galaxy is 13.2 billion light years. If the light has taken 13.2 billion years to reach us, then how long has it taken for physical distance between our galaxies to emerge?

Matter cannot theoretically travel faster than light, so even if the galaxies were distancing themselves at 20% light speed, that would mean that the actual time taken to cause the distance between our galaxies would be 13.2 x 5 billion years, or 66 billion years, no? But current estimates put the age of the universe at between 12-20 billion years. So whats all that about?:)

Anybody got any ideas?

i believe this planet is some trap for souls that have to come and learn some bloody difficult lessons...
humans tend to think they can anything... can we????
after all, if it is true that space (moon travel) was reached, why then with all the super mega operational systems like PCs that can and make calculations in speeds now unreachable by human minds etc (which could even drive us through space to the moon), why haven`t we (general population) yet been sent to the moon at least???? what is the mystery? humans have such great abilitites to run and exercise, check at sportsman/woman, is it possible we aren`t ready to fly to the moon? physiologically talking about it, many could have been prepared, BUT....something "O UT" there is not as we are told, and therefore to keep us in this trapped illusion suits somebody! we aren`t being allowed outside this PRISON EARTH while in these 3D body suits...why??? and of course "the stars"??? Staged decoration. To a degree, while we are trying to calculate, interpret and find answers that aren `t given to us for some reason,... TIME (another weird, very weird concept defined by humans) just ticks on the man made "clock" and the calendar dates shift...HOW PROGRAMMED have we become...
someone here wrote that science is more weird than science fiction, ;)
i agree!!! Science has no answers as far as humans are waiting them to be, and "science" will always be weirder, coz science fiction at least allows us to bring into "reality" DREAMS and VISIONS, that show up and out from our inner creative minds, wherever that may originate (!), it is what actually moves this world...our imagination... ARE we not the original creators of what we "have" around us?? Didn`t we need to learn and created the illusion?? and may be, just ,may be right now that we had enough of negative constant manipulation, we feel is time to free ourselves and allow creation to move forward and break the established patterns by "rebbeling" against them and the rules?

definitely this is another seemingly confused thought..., bt some will read me, some will not reach it...thats th way we "move"... yet ...chaotically...

[thefallguy]

Here's a video mixing fiction with true reality. Most of the factual unknown space objects in this film are supposed to be stars, although close up they don't really look like what we would expect them to. There are also stills of the space shuttle a satelite and something never quite seen before(SWP).

Episode 44 - Far Above Space and Time - Knowledge of the Unknown - Fact and Fiction in our Reality.

http://blip.tv/file/453689

10 min long video.

GK.

The video's being changed. It works here on youtube:

UFO In Our Reality Fact ? Fiction ? Space Objects and more - YouTube

[sunyatta60]

[QUOTE=smariot;172508]Are you disagreeing with me? At the speed of light you can't experience anything.

At the speed of light you have infinity so I don't know what you are going on about mate. I suspect that Einstein turned down a blind alley somewhere although to be fair to him he never claimed that his paper on special relativity was the be all that ends all. What makes me suspect this is the recent news that Physicist have demonstrated Quantum Entanglement; which implies Faster than light communication between basic particles. I for one believe Bohm and Pribram are both closest to the Truth when they state that the Universe is itself One giant Hologram. For me this marries with the teaching of all the ancient Spiritual Masters Krishna, Buddha, Jesus et al.
Jesus said You are in God and God is in you, that is the perfect description of a Hologram.
I know that people have a strong aversion to the idea that the Universe is just an illusion but Einstein himself said as much:

“A human being is part of a whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.”
Albert Einstein From his Essay Cosmic Religious feeling

[sunyatta60]

Bump

Hi All
Some Cosmologist are claiming that we do not belong to the Milky way galaxy but another one which they call a red dwarf galaxy apparently it is being eaten up by the much bigger Milky Way here is the link I hope it sparks some interest.

http://viewzone.com/milkyway.html

[de_shit]

I read that article a while ago dude. That is what 2012 is about most likely.

[konnster]

I agree with some of it but we know mostly the dots in the sky are stars(planets and suns) as in how we understand it today. I understand where you are going with this and lot of what we see may look like stars but are definitely not, they can be either space debry, satellites etc or what we may sometimes call UFO´s. What we call UFO´s or spaceships or whatever you want to call them sometimes give the illusion to people that they are stars because they are so far up in the atmosphere that they turn out as a dot to people. So whenever the concrete minded people are taking a midnight walk and look to the stars they might just be seeing a "UFO" or something else and think "its all stars" and for me that is just as ridiculous as in saying that they are all spaceships and UFO´s . Give you an example, the "dots" or stars that we see in the night sky that twinkle red, blue, yellow and green are often spaceship and they twinkle because of the energyfield the object creates to glide on top of the atmosphere and maintain there own gravity field, or so do the UFO engineers that have been on the inside of the secret government technology projects confirm, and makes total sense to me. I witnessed an object like that on few occasions and one time it was very close to the ground right above me and you could see it hovering in a very strange "fishlike" way like it was swimming or something, but it disappeared when I drove my car away but I turned around and drove to the direction where it was again and it just switched on again if that would be the right word, but anyways. From my experience with these objects, there is a big diversity on how they move and what they look like, I´v seen 3 of them stay still for a few minutes that I was absolutely sure that they where stars on one of my UFO sighting missions and then they just took of on an amazing speed. But if we are going to speak about the movement on stars you can see that they move across the sky in a slow way if you hang around long enough looking at them, but sometimes you can see that some of them stay behind and that just might be something else :)

regards and lots of luv from Iceland

[procyon]

Look at the size of the sun in our sky. Look at the moon. When you compare them to fixed stars in the sky all that is really revealed is that if anything they are much closer that we thought if they are in fact visible to us. The ones that move would be smaller objects but much closer than even our sun, so given our viewpoint here on the ground they appear to be the same size. I would not count out that stealthed motherships could be responsible for creating a few constellations in the sky tho.

IMO the stars are actually much closer, more like a stone throw from one another, and the objects using the veil of the night are small but appear to be of the same size as a distant star. It is a method of stealth I wouldn't put past even the military for utilizing. Hidden in plain sight?

[drael]

Apparently the stars appear large because of light refraction of our atmosphere. In space they are just tiny dots. Although i have seen a UFO, and they do hide as stars...

[octopusrex]

They do exist. I can see them with my own eyes! They are Angles.

[aizzy]

These white dots moved a couple inches and stopped and it seemed as if whole constellations moved and stopped.

--
Dude u worry me, if u look at the stars u will see ALL of the stars are moving. For this whole out-fit is moving, earth is moving, the multiverse is moving.
We are in a mechanic clock where the coo coo clock is all good and always moving with the sands of time. Thing is if u stay really still u can see the stars move clock wise in a circle. Remember to stand really still inside and out if u wanna see the planets dance and spin.:p

[de_shit]

No shit they are all moving. Its just the fact that when I see them move faster than non moving stars and make triangles and move it makes me think "hmm maybe these are not really stars after all".

[alice1111]

I was just reflecting upon something me and a friend figured out this summer and I figured it out even more.

Stars as we know them, do not exist. I believe the white dots in the sky are aliens. Stars are too far away to see, hence the turquoise universe. If a white dot in the sky is a star, then when you get closer and closer to it it would be fucking huge as hell, much larger than a billion of our suns. JUST THINK ABOUT IT AND IT MAKES SENSE.

I figured out this with a friend when we watched UFOs in the night sky near a Freemason building in Moscow near Cincinnati Ohio. These white dots moved a couple inches and stopped and it seemed as if whole constellations moved and stopped. I guess no one ever noticed it or if they did, they didn't tell the public about it. I know for a fact that the white moving dots that I saw were not of this world. They moved to fast and too high and dots that didn't move for 20 minutes, moved at least 15 inches in the sky and stopped moving, like to a whole different hemisphere or something, in a matter of 10 seconds. I watched dots travel in triangles and its pretty scary when you see it because you see some "star" move out of nowhere and its funny that the aliens think we cant see them up there. I suppose I am one of the few people that have realized this.

Interesting! I was out looking at the stars one night and one of these stars did a huge ninety degree shift up, then shot back down and then disappeared immediately.

Alice

[pri01]

If stars and their brightness are determined as a result of how close they are to us. That is the brighter ones are nearby and the dimest furthest. We should theoretically have stars as big as and even bigger than our sun. The reason I ask is that they are all conveniently out of reach and so far away that we cannot physically examine them.

[umbrex]

I was just reflecting upon something me and a friend figured out this summer and I figured it out even more.

Stars as we know them, do not exist. I believe the white dots in the sky are aliens. Stars are too far away to see, hence the turquoise universe. If a white dot in the sky is a star, then when you get closer and closer to it it would be fucking huge as hell, much larger than a billion of our suns. JUST THINK ABOUT IT AND IT MAKES SENSE.

I figured out this with a friend when we watched UFOs in the night sky near a Freemason building in Moscow near Cincinnati Ohio. These white dots moved a couple inches and stopped and it seemed as if whole constellations moved and stopped. I guess no one ever noticed it or if they did, they didn't tell the public about it. I know for a fact that the white moving dots that I saw were not of this world. They moved to fast and too high and dots that didn't move for 20 minutes, moved at least 15 inches in the sky and stopped moving, like to a whole different hemisphere or something, in a matter of 10 seconds. I watched dots travel in triangles and its pretty scary when you see it because you see some "star" move out of nowhere and its funny that the aliens think we cant see them up there. I suppose I am one of the few people that have realized this.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/goatripper/_stuckonstupid.jpg

nuff said

[phreedom]

Because the sunlight is reflecting at the ground and warms it up (I think:confused:)

good lord man...

it's cold the higher you go because the air is not as dense to maintain temperature... as heat is an illustration of excited molecules (the more heat, the more excited) the denser the air is the more heat can be held within it... as it becomes less dense, so does the density of heat within a mass of air and thusly, lower temperature...

along those lines, the closer you are to the surface, the more air their is insulating the air beneath it, sure, heat rises.

The specific gravity of water is very high as well. It can hold a lot of heat without changing temperature very much... That is why coastal areas, though windy, have a higher average temperature in cold seasons than do inland areas.

But yeah, the ground does a good job holding on to heat as well...

But ultimately, the sun provides it... the closer to the earth you are, the warmer because there is more molecules of air per volume to hold the heat... also, the ground can be viewed in the same manner, very dense, slow to warm up, but also slow to cool... this can all be verified using simple experimental methods you can try at home...

[phreedom]

No shit they are all moving. Its just the fact that when I see them move faster than non moving stars and make triangles and move it makes me think "hmm maybe these are not really stars after all".

you might want to look into a few things...

First off... People who've eaten acid or psilocybin have altered their brain chemistry. Staring off into space and such, you'll have "visual disturbances" for the rest of your life. These are not hallucinations, they're just "malfunctions" in the visual pathways of your brain. There's a term for this, can't remember the name for it, but it has an actual DSM-IV diagnosis name/criteria... It's like Post-Hallucinogen blah blah crap... It happens to people...

I'm not saying you are a druggie, but this is a possible explanation for this phenomenon... unless you were with someone else who saw the EXACT same thing... which would lead to the next possibility...

Now, your initial statement was somewhat vague. Do you believe that NO stars exist? Or that maybe SOME of what we call stars are not actually stars.
This I could agree with to some degree.

I have seen quite a few planes flying around at night as well as the occasional "shooting star" which of course, is not an actual star...

But maybe there are aircraft designed to look like stars to the naked eye. Alien or Human in origin? Tough to say...

But if they are in fact human, there is probably a legitimate reason as to why they are not public knowledge.

Do they hurt you? Can they hurt you? Will they hurt you?

Why are you so worried about them?

The governments of the world have TONS and tons of secret projects. Of all places on the internet, this is the one that I think most would believe this fact. But if no one will believe you when you say they're there and even if they did, no one could really do anything about it... Ya know?

And at the same time, who gives a crap if they're not really doing anything anyways... like, sure, they spent 80 bagillion dollars building the stupid thing, and for what? To hide it?

Yeah, I would hide that fact too!

We spent tons and tons of your money designing aircraft that look like stars in the sky and can fly pretty cool, but are otherwise useless... Sorry John Q. Public.

[phreedom]

If stars and their brightness are determined as a result of how close they are to us. That is the brighter ones are nearby and the dimest furthest. We should theoretically have stars as big as and even bigger than our sun. The reason I ask is that they are all conveniently out of reach and so far away that we cannot physically examine them.

Welcome to the Truman Show.

And one more thing... I am the only person I can verify as actually existing... So do I brush off every other human being I encounter?

[drakul]

Hi these objects appear where some of the stars are supposed to be. That time in history that so many people talk about (no not the false invasion crap) is dawning very quickly.

"Stars" or Space Objects as filmed by John Lenard Walson.

Episode 42 - Far Above Space and Time - Eleven Dimensions to Untold Truths (new location) http://blip.tv/file/439279

Saturn Rising These Objects around Saturn must be huge.
http://blip.tv/file/424853

NEW Unknown Space Object.
http://blip.tv/file/390480

Bright Red Objects in Space
http://blip.tv/file/418255

Bright Blue and Silver Space Objects
http://blip.tv/file/418875

Bright Silver / White Objects in Space
http://blip.tv/file/420359

enjoy!-

Fascinating videos. I saw these on Rense.com and they had a similar effect on me as D. Icke's opus - The Biggest Secret. For years now I have been staring at the night sky thinking - these stars have WINGS. They have a head and a tail. No wonder the ancients thought that the stars were angels - these `stars' are not round at all. They actually look like angels flying through the night.

When I saw the Walsen video I realized - of course some of those `angels' are sattellites (?) No sattellites are too small. The ISS? No. Even the ISS is not big enough and there is only one Space Station and I can see 7 of these `stars' in the sky at any given time. They are definitely not stars. One of them even has a red light in addition to the white. Amazing. `They' may have been up there all the time and we just never noticed.

I live in a semi-rural area where the sky is often very clear and unobstructed at night.

[thefallguy]

twinkle twinkle

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iPpnV63b7uU

[craven dark]

[QUOTE=drakul;228459]-

They are definitely not stars. One of them even has a red light in addition to the white.
I think your looking at planes!

[friendsinthesky]

What I saw the other night.

A "star" moving across the night sky, it stopped, changed direction, stopped again, changed direction again. It then moved, heading towards another smaller less vibrant "star". Then, as the 1st star got close to the other, they both were moving in the exact same path. 1st time I've witnessed this. I've seen many objects move and no it wasn't a satellite. Brilliant.:)

[spinladen]

Let me just say that I have been noting a sharp rise in this activity as of late, with last night being a marked spike in my observations of this phenomena. I have had several friends in my locality that have been keeping track of this with me comment to me separately the same conclusion I am coming to.

It seems like battles are going on above us as of late. "Ships" of different types maneuvering against each other as well as plasma discharges.

I would totally not even post this if I didn't have well over 15 different people in my city comment similar things while either being around me or on the their own observations.

Something IS going on, like it or not. I think its for the better what ever it is

[saab1981]

This is very interesting to hear, as I have noticed odd behaviour up in the stars. I witnessed 3 stars up there, in a pyramid shape, at a perfect distance from each other. They slowly moved in unison over the sky, but not in the way normal stars would.

Also, the star Betelguese in the Orion belt constellation flashed VERY brightly and briefly when I was gazing up at it last month. It was like it was giving me a 'knowing wink.'

I completely agree that something is going on up there, something positive.

[friendsinthesky]

It seems like battles are going on above us as of late. "Ships" of different types maneuvering against each other as well as plasma discharges.

A battle in slow motion, no I don't think so.

Something IS going on, like it or not. I think its for the better what ever it is

No doubt!

[spinladen]

There IS something to do with Orion. In the center of the belt, if you watch with binoculars on some nights, you'll see a buzz of activity emanating around it. Then from the 6 o'clock to 9 o'clock positions from Orion's belt in that quadrant of the sky, I see quite a few of these moving pyramid's myself. Sometimes 2 or 3 simultaneously. I really wish I had kept up with my astronomy class constellations. The one thing from high school I actually would need in future life, who would have thought!

Anyways, I have been beefing up on my studies in that regards, and I can tell you with a certainty, odd things are afoot on a nightly basis in my area of the world. Omaha, Nebraska.

Anyone want to fund me for high quality gear to document it, I am more than willing to do so.

But until then, take my word for it.