Dealing with the "are you crazy?" questions

[matrixdropout]

This forum is MASSIVE! So I apologize if I posted in the wrong forum, but it made sense.

I just 'woke up', so-to-speak. Well, I guess its been an ongoing thing for years (I have driven myself crazy with questions that were never answered).

Now I can't avoid the "wow, have you lost it?" questions, and to be honest, my thoughts are flowing quite freely and I feel more *awake* than ever. But no one really 'gets it' and I feel kind of stuck in my own mind ... I know damn well I am not experiencing some 'psychotic episode', and to look around at the state of things here makes me want to cry.

I just watched the 'Moon Landing' video (up until about a year ago? I didnt question that it happened) and the quality of it is embarrassingly BAD. I was pretty naive I guess.

Anyone been through this with friends and family? When you unplug and see things for what they are (or much more likely to be), what next?

[neoconsumer]

I just admit that I have totally lost it, I'm insane and struggling to function properly in this society.


No-one thinks they are insane, but if you go on mass public opinion and national "norms", then yeah - I'm pretty bonkers to be honest.

"It is no symptom of good health to be well adjusted to a sick society"

[matrixdropout]

"This" society? This society sucks ... I don't think I want to function in it (although I can and do).

LOL ... seriously though ... don't mess around with the new chick!! I can't tell if you're serious or not. :confused:

[merlincove]

This forum is MASSIVE! So I apologize if I posted in the wrong forum, but it made sense.

I just 'woke up', so-to-speak. Well, I guess its been an ongoing thing for years (I have driven myself crazy with questions that were never answered).

Now I can't avoid the "wow, have you lost it?" questions, and to be honest, my thoughts are flowing quite freely and I feel more *awake* than ever. But no one really 'gets it' and I feel kind of stuck in my own mind ... I know damn well I am not experiencing some 'psychotic episode', and to look around at the state of things here makes me want to cry.

I just watched the 'Moon Landing' video (up until about a year ago? I didnt question that it happened) and the quality of it is embarrassingly BAD. I was pretty naive I guess.

Anyone been through this with friends and family? When you unplug and see things for what they are (or much more likely to be), what next?

Welcome to the forum buddy :D

And yeah, you posted in the right place :D

you heard that expression "fasten your seat belt, Dorothy, because Kansas is going bye=bye...." ?

It's from the first Matrix film :D

See things and understand them for yourself, experiencing the illussion as an illussion, is not something everybody is ready to take on board.

And the journey that has taken you years to tread, one step at a time, is the same for everyone, so don't be too dissheartened when they don't understand where you are coming from.

Try telling the average joe in the street that there is evidence to suggest that no planes were involved in 911, and very blatant evidence to suggest that man didn't go to the moon (let alone, talking about bloodlines and corruption in the highest levels of society) and they will look at you in a certain way, and it's hardly surprising given that the programme is working so well at convincing them the reality being broadcast from the Main Stream Media is actually reality.

The programme takes some breaking down for sure, and it is best to do it one step at a time, as you have expoerinced - because too much truth gets peeps to go into lockdown. People don't like the truth, because they are programmed to believe that the truth is scarry.

The truth wil set you free.

And when it does, it's an amazing experience isn't it buddy :D

Welcome again ;)

[matrixdropout]

Thanks merlincove ...lol :)

[armoured_amazon]

Just embrace the crazy. At the end of the day, do you want to be determined sane by a sick society?

[neoconsumer]

"This" society? This society sucks ... I don't think I want to function in it (although I can and do).

Yes, so then from their view you are crazy, you are insane.

Everything is upside down/back to front, I don't even challenge it because I know why someone thinks I'm "not right"/"a bit mental" - it shouldn't bother you, it just affirms that you've crossed a line.

LOL ... seriously though ... don't mess around with the new chick!! I can't tell if you're serious or not. :confused:

As for this bit - you've confused me! :p

[beetzart]

This forum is MASSIVE! So I apologize if I posted in the wrong forum, but it made sense.

I just 'woke up', so-to-speak. Well, I guess its been an ongoing thing for years (I have driven myself crazy with questions that were never answered).

Now I can't avoid the "wow, have you lost it?" questions, and to be honest, my thoughts are flowing quite freely and I feel more *awake* than ever. But no one really 'gets it' and I feel kind of stuck in my own mind ... I know damn well I am not experiencing some 'psychotic episode', and to look around at the state of things here makes me want to cry.

I just watched the 'Moon Landing' video (up until about a year ago? I didnt question that it happened) and the quality of it is embarrassingly BAD. I was pretty naive I guess.

Anyone been through this with friends and family? When you unplug and see things for what they are (or much more likely to be), what next?

I fully understand what you are saying. It happened to me to. It got to the point where I was questioning everything but then the Emperor Mong said 'Look bud, not everything is a conspiracy'. I stepped back and re-thought was was happening. I started to be a little more rational and not to take everything as bad.

Apparently education is bad: My 7yr old son's teacher is a lovely lady. Her passion and enthusiasm for teaching young children is mind blowing (I wouldn't know where to start teaching 5/6 yr olds how to understand English). She is only about 23/24, and if I ranted at her that she was contributing to the brainwashing of children I am sure it would break her heart.

Apparently medicine is bad: In my life I have seen about 7 or so different GPs. No matter what I go to them for they will always try and help. I occasionaly see this wonderful GP who I once went to with symptoms of depression. Instead of instantly prescribing drugs he chatted, made me laugh and offered some counseling.

Apprently University education is bad: I am currently studying for a science degree and my tutor is an amazing lady. Very helpful and full of good humour. Again, I could never, ever tell her she was invovled in some kind of conspiracy to destroy the human race. Not that I would entertain the idea as I agree with her.

What I am saying is that you can go too far the other way.

[arch]

That quote (http://thinkexist.com/quotation/it_is_no_measure_of_health_to_be_well_adjusted_to/11334.html) comes from Jiddu Krishnamurti (http://jkrishnamurti.com/). Recommended.

When one 'lost' 'it', what does that actually mean? Just to give a little nuance:

Loose (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=loose) = c.1300, from O.N. lauss "loose, free, vacant, dissolute," cognate with O.E. leas "devoid of, false, feigned, incorrect," from P.Gmc. *lausaz (cf. Dan. løs "loose, untied," M.Du., Ger. los, Goth. laus), from PIE *lau-/*leu- "to loosen, divide, cut apart" (see lose). The verb is first recorded early 13c., "to set free." Sense of "unchaste, immoral" is recorded from late 15c. Figurative sense of loose cannon was in use by mid-20c.

It (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=it&searchmode=none) = O.E. hit, neut. nom. & acc. of third pers. sing. pronoun, from P.Gmc. demonstrative base *khi- (cf. O.Fris. hit, Du. het, Goth. hita "it"), which is also the root of he. As gender faded in M.E., it took on the meaning "thing or animal spoken about before." The h- was lost due to being in an unemphasized position, as in modern speech the h- in "give it to him," "ask her," "is only heard in the careful speech of the partially educated" [Weekley]. It "the sex act" is from 1610s; meaning "sex appeal (especially in a woman)"

So... when one says one has lost it, doesn't he say one has freed himself from things, from the material, from the animal?

And is the real meaning of their question not Am I losing you?

Individuals living in time (tie me), always want to be restricted to predefined, habitual ideas of how their environment should behave. It makes them feel secure. The key is to let them be and simply play the part in their projection (http://www.google.com/search?q=projection).

Don't let them know you are going through a radical transformation. It will scare the shit out of them because it means they will need to change as well, for they feel they need to adjust to you in order to keep their status.

[matrixdropout]

What I am saying is that you can go too far the other way.

VERY true ... then again my friends and family are used to me. I always say offensive/ 'questionable' things, but THIS? This is different.

I'm just going to live and let live, but I also just don't buy their apathy and loyalty to The Man anymore ...I'm a terrible liar and an even worse actress so it'll come out eventually...lol

[krakhead]

Just embrace the crazy.

Unless the 'crazy' in question is one of those who's a bit 'bitey'

:D

[armoured_amazon]

Unless the 'crazy' in question is one of those who's a bit 'bitey'

:D

*nips your arm* :D

[matrixdropout]

Having children must change your views quite powerfully also ...I'm scared of kids, haha (I'm a wimp so kids usually walk all over me!! lol)

[matrixdropout]

Just embrace the crazy. At the end of the day, do you want to be determined sane by a sick society?

Oh I do ...but people REALLY start to wonder about your mental health when you start talking about "the matrix" and aliens and such, ya know?

My guy friend told me I sounded like a "raving loonie" yesterday ...but I dont feel that way ...maybe I am nuts. Ah well, I hope this journey includes beer.

[krakhead]

*nips your arm* :D

OW!!

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/256/5/0/latex_Arm_wound_by_mesmermojo.jpg

[matrixdropout]

And is the real meaning of their question not Am I losing you?

Individuals living in time (tie me), always want to be restricted to predefined, habitual ideas of how their environment should behave. It makes them feel secure. The key is to let them be and simply play the part in their projection (http://www.google.com/search?q=projection).

Don't let them know you are going through a radical transformation. It will scare the shit out of them because it means they will need to change as well, for they feel they need to adjust to you in order to keep their status.

LMAO ... this is great!! I feel like I may be onto something other than 4 padded walls.

I've withdrawn a bit lately ...but mainly because I've FULLY embraced this 'period of growth' ...reaching out to very few people and ignoring those who need something from me (oops)

[ellis_deatrip]

One of the first thoughts in my mind when experiencing ridicule is this quote by the late, Great Hunter S.Thomson : "Too weird to live , Too rare to die."
The second thoughts are spent trying to Remember exactly how this one goes and how to say the author's name.....
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j100/yoshi667/GI-66.jpg

Don't take either pill, red or blue. Last person I know to have popped the 'red pill', passed out and was butt-raped by Morpheous! :eek:

[matrixdropout]

Don't take either pill, red or blue. Last person I know to have popped the 'red pill', passed out and was butt-raped by Morpheous! :eek:


Duuuuuude ... DUUUUUDE! *cringes*

:D

[unenlightened_waffle]

Society is not too important people obsess over incidents that they have no control over and yes education, medicine, politics, law etc.. are messed up but rather than trying to convert people or rant about it just be confident in your beliefs (not too confident) just accept others have different opinions from you. This should not effect how you get on with a person, it is these relationships that show the problems with us, stop blaming society and do all you can do to improve yourself.

People worry too much about appearances and fear being out cast, sadly in my experience this pain is necessary so you can become free-er, if you still rely on others approval of your insignificant opinions then you are not awake.

I gave up looking at the bigger picture (society) a while ago and started looking towards the only thing I can change, me. Sadly I still have lots of work to do but this realisation that I am wrong on a regular basis and that I am imperfect has given my life purpose, my purpose is simple - growth.

How can I change the world if I am not even sure if its broke, but I no i am!

[thedefender]

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”

With that being said....next time you are dealt with the question "are your crazy?"

Tell them to look it up for themself.

[jakemaverick]

I have argued with myself several times over this. I have come to the firm conclusion that is actually the rest of the world that has gone mad, not me! Not that they wd agree though---story in the sig-----but what you would do to those sort if u had the power? :mad:

[thespiritforce]

Crazy...Well, you'd better act like you're crazy or they will make up enough stuff on you where even you will believe you are crazy, as yeah...try to tell the truth about this BS world of Elites that run everything and you included...see what that will get ya, as maybe they will say something like...Don't listen to him or her, as they are convicted child moslesters...while they give out your real name and address where some real nut case will come and kill you!

It's time to take a stand and not let others be run over while you sit back and keep your mouth shut, as most do if not all and you know it and that's called chicken-shits!:rolleyes:

At my Website... http://www.thespiritforce.com I have had to stop others from posting because of all the lies, spam and BS garbage that they bring there because I tell the truth and REALLY LIKE IT IS...in yes, this sick-arse socity of I don't want to get involved, as I only want to make fun of everything and crack jokes of their so called nuance of how cute am I...NOT!

But, that's my rant on it...and I feel the better for saying it, also.:)

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[verndewd]

"It is no symptom of good health to be well adjusted to a sick society"

:cool: yup

When people tell me im crazy, I just say , fuck it man fry :D

[robl240]

I don't believe other people are crazy, there just misinformed. Wether they chose to believe what I say is up to them, but even if I get through to just 1 person in my life then it would have been worth it.
I don't aim to change the world or anyones opinion, I just hope they can have the generosity to give me the time of day, just as I do with them 24/7.

I think crazy would be locking myself off in a dark room, no TV, Music, lights, and questioning everything, instead of thinking for myself.

[ambler1980]

This forum is MASSIVE! So I apologize if I posted in the wrong forum, but it made sense.

I just 'woke up', so-to-speak. Well, I guess its been an ongoing thing for years (I have driven myself crazy with questions that were never answered).

Now I can't avoid the "wow, have you lost it?" questions, and to be honest, my thoughts are flowing quite freely and I feel more *awake* than ever. But no one really 'gets it' and I feel kind of stuck in my own mind ... I know damn well I am not experiencing some 'psychotic episode', and to look around at the state of things here makes me want to cry.

I just watched the 'Moon Landing' video (up until about a year ago? I didnt question that it happened) and the quality of it is embarrassingly BAD. I was pretty naive I guess.

Anyone been through this with friends and family? When you unplug and see things for what they are (or much more likely to be), what next?

Welcome! And congratulations.

What's happening is you're moving your point of awareness away from what they want you to focus on (work, news, school, entertainment, money, etc, which is the control structure), and changing your vibrational frequency. Others (your friends and family) who are not on that same higher frequency, will start to get uncomfortable because you're challenging their belief system, which was given to them by the illuminati. People identify with their beliefs so strongly that any threat, perceived or real, will set their internal alarm bells off, and they will lash out at you. Why wouldn't they? They identify with their beliefs to the point where they think they ARE their beliefs...so you're not just threatening their beliefs, you're threatening their very lives.

This is natural and there is nothing to be afraid of. If they're meant to wake up, they will, if not, then they wont. Simple as that. You are NOT responsible for them or how they think. So let it go...you will gain new friends because your vibration has changed...those that share your vibration and higher awareness will be attracted to you and vice versa...it's already started with you being in this forum. So welcome and continue to question everything...and I do mean everything.

I would recommend checking out the following researchers: David Icke, Michael Tsarion, David Wilcock, Jordan Maxwell, Rik Clay, Jim Marrs, Richard C. Hoagland, Stewart Swerdlow, Alex Jones. Each one has a different perspective, good traits and not so good traits...take what's valuable and leave the rest. Do not focus on the individual or their personality, focus on what they're telling you. And trust your intuition implicity, this is your higher self guiding you.

I would also recommend some tools for raising your vibration even more. EFT, which I practice all the time, it's a self healing tool, a five year old could learn in ten minutes...I don't take medicine anymore after learning it. I would also recommend The Silva Method for waking up your right brain, which is connected to infinite source, all you will ever need, and gaining ESP, problem solving with 100 times greater results, and infinite insight. The control structure is strictly a left brain reality...time to wake up that right brain! There is also The Lefkoe Method for eliminating beliefs that control your life, the beliefs you inherited from the illuminati from childhood...beliefs control your behavior and therefore your very reality and what you have in your life...change the beliefs, you better yourself and your situation 100 fold. You can google/youtube search all of those I mentioned and there is a wealth of info on them to soak up. You have a lot of work to do, and it's fun, so get started! And good luck!

[fairyelfdog]

I think crazy would be locking myself off in a dark room, no TV, Music, lights, and questioning everything, instead of thinking for myself.

The logic in this statement eludes me completely. Instead of thinking for yourself? Locking yourself in a dark room with no TV. Music or lights and questioning everything or whatever sounds like a good way to make sure that no one else is thinking for you. I'd do it myself from time to time if I had the option. When you remove outside stimulus, your inner processes is the only thing thats left. People have found themselves that way. Tried and tested method, you know.

[tracker]

This forum is MASSIVE! So I apologize if I posted in the wrong forum, but it made sense.

I just 'woke up', so-to-speak. Well, I guess its been an ongoing thing for years (I have driven myself crazy with questions that were never answered).

Now I can't avoid the "wow, have you lost it?" questions, and to be honest, my thoughts are flowing quite freely and I feel more *awake* than ever. But no one really 'gets it' and I feel kind of stuck in my own mind ... I know damn well I am not experiencing some 'psychotic episode', and to look around at the state of things here makes me want to cry.

I just watched the 'Moon Landing' video (up until about a year ago? I didnt question that it happened) and the quality of it is embarrassingly BAD. I was pretty naive I guess.

Anyone been through this with friends and family? When you unplug and see things for what they are (or much more likely to be), what next?

I can tell you what is crazy.

a whole world that looks to leaders for problem solving.
a whole world that has relied on those leaders for 10,000 years.
a whole world that can not see that for 10,000 years that it has never worked.
a whole world that has been at war and killing each other during all that time because of it.
a whole world that gives medals to them self for killing each other.
a whole world that thinks that they cant change things.
a whole world that looks towards mystical explinations to explain its existance ( gods )
a whole world that thinks it needs leaders to run the place.

I mean

who needs leaders to go to work ?
who needs leaders to feed the kids ?
who needs leaders and gods to run their life ?
who needs leaders to make them know what is right and what is wrong ?

NO ONE !
yet

HERE WE ARE , still in the same old same old doing the same old same old that we were doing 10,000 years ago .

:cool:

[januspolanski]

You are not crazy.

Ask the doubters this, Who is more crazy? The man who thinks for himself or the man who believes everything that a little box with lights and sounds in the corner of the room tells them?

[precious_gold]

Do you want to go round harming or killing others?
Do you want to go round manipulating people or imposing your values upon them?
Do you want to cause other people undue stress and worry intentionally?

If you answer No to the above you are not crazy (imho)

If anyone tries to do the same to you then the above goes out the window and your free to try and fuk them over.

[omnisense]

"It is no symptom of good health to be well adjusted to a sick society"

I really like the quote. Ive been called crazy quite a lot(due to claiming ET contact). People are so lame in the mainstream. Our planets people are conditioned, mind controlled, and neccesitied out of thikning for themselves.

It really is like the matrix if you have woken up. Some people will attack you and not know they are part of a giant evil force.

Just keep in touch with some like minded people so you can get a dose of sanity from time to time. And only mention hard conclusive facts to those who doubt you. Here are some quotes:

“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists” –J. Edgar Hoover

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nation will accept the New World Order.” –David Rockefeller

“Every time we do something, you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel . We, the Jewish people, control America , and the Americans know it.” - Ariel Sharon , October 3, 2001

The real rulers of Washington are Invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes. - Justice Felix Frankfurter - US Supreme Court Justice

“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.” - Bill Clinton

"Blue Book was now under direct orders to debunk...I remember the conversations around the conference table in which it was suggested that Walt Disney or some other educational cartoon producer be enlisted in the debunking process".
-Dr. J Allen Hyneck
Scientific Consultant to Blue Book

[dusthead]

This forum is MASSIVE! So I apologize if I posted in the wrong forum, but it made sense.

I just 'woke up', so-to-speak. Well, I guess its been an ongoing thing for years (I have driven myself crazy with questions that were never answered).

Now I can't avoid the "wow, have you lost it?" questions, and to be honest, my thoughts are flowing quite freely and I feel more *awake* than ever. But no one really 'gets it' and I feel kind of stuck in my own mind ... I know damn well I am not experiencing some 'psychotic episode', and to look around at the state of things here makes me want to cry.

I just watched the 'Moon Landing' video (up until about a year ago? I didnt question that it happened) and the quality of it is embarrassingly BAD. I was pretty naive I guess.

Anyone been through this with friends and family? When you unplug and see things for what they are (or much more likely to be), what next?

I used to have that problem. Not any more.

If you don't want to sound crazy, than don't.

When I was young I believed in anything that went against conformist society. It took me a long time to figure out that my beliefs were based on a personal agenda rather than actually evaluating the 'evidence' objectively. Consequently, many of my beliefs were not being challenged because my opponents were 'sheeple' - I was simply wrong.

Some things ARE conpiracies, others are not.

Some people are just 'a bit thick' or ignorant. If those people think you are crazy, then it doesn't really matter - SERIOUSLY. Just find some new friends. However, if you are talking to someone that is knowledgable, intelligent or wise, it can be helpful to evaluate their opinion for what it is worth. You may sometimes find that they are right and you are wrong - not always, but sometimes. Usually those people would know better than to call someone 'crazy', but they would know when something is 'nonsense' or 'irrational'.

The point is this -

There are certain people on this forum who like to believe EVERYTHING IS A LIE! (trademark). These people are largely militant and reactionary. They fail to see that there is also beauty in life and are preoccupied with chasing demons, often when there are no demons to be found. They see conspiracies everywhere - in every meal, their natural environment, their own thought processes and weirdly other conspiracy theorists. They are slowly alienating themselves from everyone and everything. I realise it is good to question things, but these folks have taken things too far. There really are things in life that are safe to trust, and if you lose your belief in those very basic elements, life is in danger of becoming futile. I know - I've been there and it's a horrible state of mind. With nothing left to believe in, you inevitably lose faith in yourself and that really is crazy.

Now I am not an anti-conspiracy theorist by a long shot. But I am savvy enough to know that some conspiracy theories simply don't work. Some of the hardline theorists appear to be collecting conspiracy theories like football cards - Did you hear the one about the moon? Great! Now get the one about Paul McCartney! I'll swap you for Roswell!

Be objective and construct your arguments so that you are untouchable. If you don't want to sound crazy, be informed and clever enough not to sound crazy - it's as simple as that.

Don't believe anything unless it is 100% indestructible. Sadly you may find very little that is 100% indestructible, but in some ways that is a good thing. There is too much stuff on this forum that is based around circumstantial evidence or subjective opinion and interpretation. There is a wealth of hypothetical scenarios that have never been tested. And yes, sadly there are a few crazy people too. However, there are also informative people who are correct. There is an abundance of intelligence and there are some of the most ineteresting people you could hope to meet. Learn to distinguish between those folks and figure it out for yourself.

Read the conspiracy theories AND the debunker arguments with equal attention. Both are valid if you are forming a balanced opinion.

Good luck.

[lateral_v]

:D
Off cause I'm Crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong ;)

[jakemaverick]

am i crazy? would like to set up on one of those voting things....story in the sig....i really would really like to know what folks think! how do i do one of those?

[anath]

I remember the following....

1. I have the right to judge my own behaviour, thoughts and emotions and to take the responsibility for their initiation and consequence. The behaviour of others may have an impact upon me, but I determine how I choose to react and/or deal with each situation. I alone have the power to judge and modify my thoughts, feelings and behaviour. Others may influence my decision, but the final choice is mine.

2. I have the right to offer neither reason nor excuse to justify my behaviour. I need not rely upon others to judge whether my actions are proper or correct. Others may state disagreement or disapproval, but I have the option to disregard their preferences or to work out a compromise. I may choose to respect their preferences and consequently modify my behaviour. What is important is that it is my choice. Others may try to manipulate my behaviour and feelings by demanding to know my reasons and by trying to persuade me that I am wrong, but I know that I am the ultimate judge.

3. I have the right to judge whether I am responsible for finding solutions to others' problems. I am ultimately responsible for my own psychological well-being and happiness. I may feel concern and compassion and good will for others, but I am neither responsible for nor do I have the ability to create mental stability and happiness for others. My actions may have caused others' problems indirectly; however, it is still their responsibility to come to terms with the problems and to learn to cope on their own. If I fail to recognise this assertive right, others may choose to manipulate my thoughts and feelings by placing the blame for their problems on me.

4. I have the right to change my mind. As a human being, nothing in my life is necessarily constant or rigid. My interests and needs may well change with the passage of time. The possibility of changing my mind is normal, healthy and conducive to self-growth. Others may try to manipulate my choice by asking that I admit error or by stating that I am irresponsible; it is nevertheless unnecessary for me to justify my decision.

5. I have the right to say "I don't know."

6. I have the right to make mistakes and be responsible for them. To make a mistake is part of the human condition. Others may try to manipulate me, having me believe that my errors are unforgivable, that I must make amends for my wrongdoing by engaging in proper behaviour. If I allow this, my future behaviour will be influenced by my past mistakes, and my decisions will be controlled by the opinions of others.

7. I have the right to be independent of the good will of others before coping with them. It would be unrealistic for me to expect others to approve of all my actions, regardless of their merit. If I were to assume that I required others' goodwill before being able to cope with them effectively, I would leave myself open to manipulation. A relationship does not require 100 percent agreement. It is inevitable that others will be hurt or offended by my behaviour at times. I am responsible only to myself, and I can deal with periodic disapproval from others.

8. I have the right to be illogical in making decisions. I sometimes employ logic as a reasoning process to assist me in making judgments. However, logic cannot predict what will happen in every situation. Logic is not much help in dealing with wants, motivations and feelings. Logic generally deals with "black or white," "all or none" and "yes or no" issues. Logic and reasoning don't always work well when dealing with the gray areas of the human condition.

9. I have the right to say "I don't understand."

10. I have the right to say "I don't care."

[codie]

I say everyones a little bit crazy :p

[echoes_of_a_dream]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3639/3395565793_1702a8b19d.jpg

Some In-spirit-ation:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

:)

[codie]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3639/3395565793_1702a8b19d.jpg

Some In-spirit-ation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDrU3BxKTF4

:)

Nice vid. Shame he uses the word "convert" at the end. Hmmmm. Cool vid though thanks. :)

[wink]

If you are open about your experiences, try being with other people who feel similar, then the isolated "are you crazy" person, in my experience, will actually join in or walk away from your veiw out of peer pressure,
reverse sheep manouver. Then tell them paradoxically to think for themselves.

[dusthead]

:D
Off cause I'm Crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong ;)

But saying you are crazy will win few supporters of alternative viewpoints.

Example -

Person 1: I'm Crazy! The Moon is a giant spacecraft!
Person 2: Yes you are clearly bonkers.

You get the general idea.

I'm not saying the above instance is what should happen, but a different approach may be required if you are trying to convince another human being.

[codie]

If you are open about your experiences, try being with other people who feel similar, then the isolated "are you crazy" person, in my experience, will actually join in or walk away from your veiw out of peer pressure,
reverse sheep manouver. Then tell them paradoxically to think for themselves.

Brilliant point. :)

[merlincove]

am i crazy? would like to set up on one of those voting things....story in the sig....i really would really like to know what folks think! how do i do one of those?

you create a thread as usual, general section is best, hit the submit button to make the thread go live, and then hit the thread tools on the tool bar, use the third option (i think) to open the create poll window. Follow the on screen prompts from there.

:D

[zone2012]

I never really felt part of this society. I always seemed to see the world a little different then the most. ;)
With 12 I started to read books on shamanism, and it was great to find out there are other people who see the same way.
That's where my journey started.
When I first came across Ickes books, I already was in touch with my true self, and it made a lot of sense to me.
It's great to not live a conditioned life.
Wish you a fun trip! :D

[redpillpopper]

If you are open about your experiences, try being with other people who feel similar, then the isolated "are you crazy" person, in my experience, will actually join in or walk away from your veiw out of peer pressure,
reverse sheep manouver. Then tell them paradoxically to think for themselves.

You will eventually 'find' other people who feel similar, but when you first 'wake up' it can seem pretty frightening and lonely at times being surrounded by the 'sheeple'.

The worst thing you can do is start lecturing at them, information overload, which can be hard as everyone who starts this path has a LOT of stuff they think is super important.

Too much stuff that is way outside a 'normal' person's paradigm will make you look crazy to them , like you prbably regard people who stand on the street shouting Biblical verses. Also your existing friends still exist together within your old mindset, you will start looking like an outsider to them if you go overboard, and one of the biggest mistakes (sadly) is mentioning David Icke.

A good way to get your friends used to your new awareness is to change yr attitude to TV, this is especially good if you meet up with people round at someone's house and the normal evening consists of vegetating in front of the TV.

If you are with friends and they are sat around watching TV, try to get people to not watch TV, distract them with conversation and once you get everyone talking ask for the TV to be switched off because 'it's distracting having brainwashing adverts on all the time'. If anyone ask you if you saw 'this programme last night' tell them you dont watch TV . You dont need to tell them why, just make them think. If someone says 'This a good advert' ask them 'what's the product?' when they answer just reply 'No, you're the product' and leave it at that.

Even better try to get everyone to do something else entirely , like go for a drink, listen to music or get outside and play frisbee or something.

When you meet new people or are out an about , just make occasional subtle or cryptic comments so that you wont stand out as crazy, something other awake people will pick up on , you will be surprised how many of us are out there. I started talking to some guy in subway the other day because he made a comment to his friend about 'yet another eco tax' that went right over his mate's head and within a minute we were talking about the green agenda being about controlling the people with yet more new 'laws and guidelines' raising more money for the power elites and man made global warming being the biggest lie of all as part of this agenda.
I think his mate thought we were a bit crazy actually

[thespiritforce]

How is global warming being the biggest lie of all? Please explain away all the evidence that there is, of such, being the case, as if this reply was all leading to a subliminal message of Global Warming being a false misnomer? :confused:

[ufochick]

This forum is MASSIVE! So I apologize if I posted in the wrong forum, but it made sense.

I just 'woke up', so-to-speak. Well, I guess its been an ongoing thing for years (I have driven myself crazy with questions that were never answered).

Now I can't avoid the "wow, have you lost it?" questions, and to be honest, my thoughts are flowing quite freely and I feel more *awake* than ever. But no one really 'gets it' and I feel kind of stuck in my own mind ... I know damn well I am not experiencing some 'psychotic episode', and to look around at the state of things here makes me want to cry.

I just watched the 'Moon Landing' video (up until about a year ago? I didnt question that it happened) and the quality of it is embarrassingly BAD. I was pretty naive I guess.

Anyone been through this with friends and family? When you unplug and see things for what they are (or much more likely to be), what next?

Yep, but I'm old LOL so they call me eccentric not crazy ... My hubby thinks it's all doom and gloom to quote him. So now I will start to say something them say "nevermind".. then he gets curious. Find one friend who agrees with you that you can call and say "Am I sane?" and they will always say YES!!.. helps a lot.. welcome to the real world :)

[redpillpopper]

How is global warming being the biggest lie of all? Please explain away all the evidence that there is, of such, being the case, as if this reply was all leading to a subliminal message of Global Warming being a false misnomer? :confused:

without wishing to derail the thread , I said 'man-made global warming' which is a lot more specific. If you havent looked into this I suspect you have thus far been given 1 side of the picture, that of the MSM & PTB - probably via Al Gore. The scientific community IS NOT unanimous in it's support of their theories, despite the fact that MSM will not give any air time to those who disagree.

The PTB solution to this 'crisis' they are promoting is in the form of more taxes and curbs on the people's freedoms. Ask yourself whether these measures will affect the richest 1% of the western population in the slightest, because they account for a lot more than 1% of our pollution.

For a start watch "The Great Global Warming Swindle" - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5576670191369613647#

Have a look at some of the links on this thread
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92513

Watch this video & do some research into Peter Taylor - he worked for the UN before quitting when he realised that any dissenting voice simply got ignored.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6613938246449800148#
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/debates/copenhagen_article/8979

we 'climate sceptics' are not 'anti environmentalists', you will see plenty of criticism of pollution and a deep respect for our planet, but what we have done is actually weigh BOTH scientific points of view, the politicisation of the issue and looked at the proposed solutions, which have more to do with distraction, taxation and control.

[lateral_v]

But saying you are crazy will win few supporters of alternative viewpoints.

Example -

Person 1: I'm Crazy! The Moon is a giant spacecraft!
Person 2: Yes you are clearly bonkers.

You get the general idea.

I'm not saying the above instance is what should happen, but a different approach may be required if you are trying to convince another human being.

Point taken dusthead but tell that to Robert Anton Wilson ;)

Personally I'm not trying to convince any one, they'll come around or is it me that will? :confused: :D

"A question that often makes me hazy, am I or all the others crazy? " _ Albert Einstein

[armoured_amazon]

When you meet new people or are out an about , just make occasional subtle or cryptic comments so that you wont stand out as crazy, something other awake people will pick up on , you will be surprised how many of us are out there. I started talking to some guy in subway the other day because he made a comment to his friend about 'yet another eco tax' that went right over his mate's head and within a minute we were talking about the green agenda being about controlling the people with yet more new 'laws and guidelines' raising more money for the power elites and man made global warming being the biggest lie of all as part of this agenda.
I think his mate thought we were a bit crazy actually

^ That. I'm often pleasantly surprised :)

[filinfinland]

This forum is MASSIVE! So I apologize if I posted in the wrong forum, but it made sense.

I just 'woke up', so-to-speak. Well, I guess its been an ongoing thing for years (I have driven myself crazy with questions that were never answered).

Now I can't avoid the "wow, have you lost it?" questions, and to be honest, my thoughts are flowing quite freely and I feel more *awake* than ever. But no one really 'gets it' and I feel kind of stuck in my own mind ... I know damn well I am not experiencing some 'psychotic episode', and to look around at the state of things here makes me want to cry.

I just watched the 'Moon Landing' video (up until about a year ago? I didnt question that it happened) and the quality of it is embarrassingly BAD. I was pretty naive I guess.

Anyone been through this with friends and family? When you unplug and see things for what they are (or much more likely to be), what next?

I find that it is far less time consuming to answer the "are you crazy" questions with a simple "yes".

[trev1]

I lets say 'woke up' about a year ago...

Since then my family have said I've changed and more recently
offered that I get some mental psyciatric help !

My wife knows i'm sane and is aware of all the shit that goes on
most of which is because of power and money (think big pharma).
However she tends to stay away from it as much as she can cause
she gets depressed by it! She just concentrates about getting on with
life with paying the bills, putting petrol in the car and so on. She is a
victim of the system too in a way. Most times says to me ' yeah but
what can I do' ?

If I was to give anyone advice on it I would say be proud of who you
are, we are all evolving. Fuck the norms ! Who cares what people think !
But you can do it in a way that doesnt scare people off - do a totalitarian
tiptoe on them :D ... give them a few hints and lay the seeds. Never ,
never get into an argument over something like 9-11 cause you will never
win. People are naturally defensive and you will push them away if you try
to scare them or ram some opinion down their throat. People come to there
own awakening when they are ready. Be gentle with friends and family,
remember they are programmed into the system norms of paying taxes,
switiching on the tv after a hard days work and so on and so on.

Unlike my wife I think there is a lot we all can do though. But it has to start
with little things like making sure we can be the best humans we can be. Its
a very true saying that you become what you fight. I really believe that
everything is evergy and that you get back what you put out. Thats why I
cant listen to Alex Jones for example. Ranting and raving about something
and installing fear in people is not the way. Thats what the fuckers want.
The last thing they want is for you to be positive !

So yeah change your own life first! Be aware of food additives, the media
and all of that. Do your research into everything and know your facts that
helps. On the rare occasion ive got into a heated discussion with my family
I get accused of 'spending to much time on the internet' and thats why I
have all these theories. There are miffed though when I hand them my
numerous books by valid sources. Always argue back that at least the
research is independant and not written by some main stream journalist
who is just repeating the officail word on everything in the fil;tered world
of the main stream media ! I lent a mate of mine Daniel Estulins book 'the
true story of the bilderberg group' :D

Finally one more tip for anyone trying to convince people of this stuff is to
start off with some light(ish) topic such a how the banks work, and then
onto something else a bit deeper. What I am saying is that if you believe
that the haiti earthquake was caused by the HARRP technology (and who
knows!) maybe keep that to yourself until the person is a bit further down
the road :)

[john white]

"Fruitcake is better than Spongecake"

A friend told me that one, I rather like it

[filinfinland]

Earth sized objects orbiting independently of gravity within the suns corona is not a secret. Voyager sending alien signals since april 22 is not a secret. on the nasa website you can find recently de-classified NSA documents stating clearly that we have received communications from an alien civilization and the coms are listed. These things are not secrets and yet most people do not have the first idea that this information is freely available.

They don't know because they don't look, you can lead a horse to water......

[kronoix]

OW!!

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/256/5/0/latex_Arm_wound_by_mesmermojo.jpg


I showed that to my girlfriend and she slapped me.


She has a phobia of wrists :D

[jakemaverick]

Earth sized objects orbiting independently of gravity within the suns corona is not a secret. Voyager sending alien signals since april 22 is not a secret. on the nasa website you can find recently de-classified NSA documents stating clearly that we have received communications from an alien civilization and the coms are listed. These things are not secrets and yet most people do not have the first idea that this information is freely available.

They don't know because they don't look, you can lead a horse to water......


you got any links for us lazy folk?

[thespiritforce]

without wishing to derail the thread , I said 'man-made global warming' which is a lot more specific. If you havent looked into this I suspect you have thus far been given 1 side of the picture, that of the MSM & PTB - probably via Al Gore. The scientific community IS NOT unanimous in it's support of their theories, despite the fact that MSM will not give any air time to those who disagree.

The PTB solution to this 'crisis' they are promoting is in the form of more taxes and curbs on the people's freedoms. Ask yourself whether these measures will affect the richest 1% of the western population in the slightest, because they account for a lot more than 1% of our pollution.

For a start watch "The Great Global Warming Swindle" - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5576670191369613647#

Have a look at some of the links on this thread
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92513

Watch this video & do some research into Peter Taylor - he worked for the UN before quitting when he realised that any dissenting voice simply got ignored.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6613938246449800148#
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/debates/copenhagen_article/8979

we 'climate sceptics' are not 'anti environmentalists', you will see plenty of criticism of pollution and a deep respect for our planet, but what we have done is actually weigh BOTH scientific points of view, the politicisation of the issue and looked at the proposed solutions, which have more to do with distraction, taxation and control.

Yes, I am all for different points of view on any subject of controversy, but come on...the permafrost all over Canada and Alaska is melting, as well, as there are huge sink holes that's released tons of methane gas...which is 10 times stronger than Co2...but I will checkout your vids to the contrary. TY

[darryl84]

This forum is MASSIVE! So I apologize if I posted in the wrong forum, but it made sense.

I just 'woke up', so-to-speak. Well, I guess its been an ongoing thing for years (I have driven myself crazy with questions that were never answered).

Now I can't avoid the "wow, have you lost it?" questions, and to be honest, my thoughts are flowing quite freely and I feel more *awake* than ever. But no one really 'gets it' and I feel kind of stuck in my own mind ... I know damn well I am not experiencing some 'psychotic episode', and to look around at the state of things here makes me want to cry.

I just watched the 'Moon Landing' video (up until about a year ago? I didnt question that it happened) and the quality of it is embarrassingly BAD. I was pretty naive I guess.

Anyone been through this with friends and family? When you unplug and see things for what they are (or much more likely to be), what next?

It doesn't matter what people think at the end of the day, as long as you are happy. Your family are more than likely going to be fine with it anyway, aslong as you dont try to push too much information their way if they are not positively responsive.

If you have even the slightest interest in a 'more than the physical body' approach to life, i would highly recommend reading Eckhart Tolle's 'The Power of Now', it is the best book i have ever read, and it would certainly help you immensely deal with any problem you face. Good luck (not that your true essence needs it). :)

[thespiritforce]

you got any links for us lazy folk?

Yes, I sent you a private message that might help you and you can read all about me, as in I am no joke, at http://www.thespiritforce.com if you might like. Ron D...The Spirit Force and can and have proven it and will again and again till all the world knows who they all really are, as I do. vbs :D

[redpillpopper]

Yes, I am all for different points of view on any subject of controversy, but come on...the permafrost all over Canada and Alaska is melting, as well, as there are huge sink holes that's released tons of methane gas...which is 10 times stronger than Co2...but I will checkout your vids to the contrary. TY

Nothing contrary in those vids, that methane is NOT man made is it? It's not a denial of climate change, it's a denial that man made Co2 emissions are the cause and taxation/limits on our energy use will stop it.

[thespiritforce]

Nothing contrary in those vids, that methane is NOT man made is it? It's not a denial of climate change, it's a denial that man made Co2 emissions are the cause and taxation/limits on our energy use will stop it.

No, methane gas comes from plants and animals that has died 1000's of years ago and been kept under ground by being froze until our earth change and the melting has released what's left of them, as in methane gas...1o times stronger than Co2 and yes, cap and trade will slow down the use of energy we get from oil which makes our gas which makes our co2 that pollutes our environment and atmosphere which holds in more of our suns solar rays of radiation and therefore heats up our earth and they have said, that this last May was the second highest temperature ever record in the history of our world....thus, and therefore...our earth is melting faster and faster and even faster than that, as when you melt off the snow and ice that reflects back our suns heat...it just heats up the more so our planet and more faster and more faster as the more snow melts and there is lesser and lesser to reflect back the suns heat...ya see?

Yes, Cap and Trade the smoke stacks that pollute out atmosphere will slow them down and make them put money into alternative energy, as oil becomes to expensive and the oil companies sure hate that and why they fight it so hard too. :eek:

[redpillpopper]

they have said, that this last May was the second highest temperature ever record in the history of our world....

That's just plain false, I would approach anything else 'they' say with a great deal of scepticism based upon that one statement alone.

[filinfinland]

you got any links for us lazy folk?

This should do for starters,

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2837262/Space-UFO-baffles-boffins.html

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/291951

a lot more is posted on http://rense.com/

Happy hunting

[thespiritforce]

That's just plain false, I would approach anything else 'they' say with a great deal of scepticism based upon that one statement alone.

Well, that is what was said and I am sure that can be verified, as to me if they say it was the second hottest May, worldwide, ever recorded...I am sure it more than likely was...why would they lie or mislead us about that?:confused:

[jakemaverick]

This should do for starters,

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2837262/Space-UFO-baffles-boffins.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKDEx_HUM_s&feature=related

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/291951

a lot more is posted on http://rense.com/

Happy hunting

Thnaks dude, but have seen them before....dnt get me wrong, i do believe, but nothing hardly conclusive there.....things orbitting the sun most interesting, but possibly rocks, asteroids or debris...also a bit strange this just comes out when the Destiny in SGU has a special 'solar powered' energy system....

fact is nothing can be hundred percent conclusive with the level of cgi around now...;-)

but it wasn't cgi i saw when i was a kid....

[thespiritforce]

Thnaks dude, but have seen them before....dnt get me wrong, i do believe, but nothing hardly conclusive there.....things orbitting the sun most interesting, but possibly rocks, asteroids or debris...also a bit strange this just comes out when the Destiny in SGU has a special 'solar powered' energy system....

fact is nothing can be hundred percent conclusive with the level of cgi around now...;-)

but it wasn't cgi i saw when i was a kid....

Here is a link you can learn a lot from...if you like, as I read all of what you posted and now you can read my work and troubles too...http://www.thespiritforce.com :)

[godgoo]

This forum is MASSIVE! So I apologize if I posted in the wrong forum, but it made sense.

I just 'woke up', so-to-speak. Well, I guess its been an ongoing thing for years (I have driven myself crazy with questions that were never answered).

Now I can't avoid the "wow, have you lost it?" questions, and to be honest, my thoughts are flowing quite freely and I feel more *awake* than ever. But no one really 'gets it' and I feel kind of stuck in my own mind ... I know damn well I am not experiencing some 'psychotic episode', and to look around at the state of things here makes me want to cry.

I just watched the 'Moon Landing' video (up until about a year ago? I didnt question that it happened) and the quality of it is embarrassingly BAD. I was pretty naive I guess.

Anyone been through this with friends and family? When you unplug and see things for what they are (or much more likely to be), what next?

Like the rest of us, you have'nt cracked-up. You have just rationlised your thinking and found some discrepancies.

[samcrow]

Hi there sweetie, I know how you feel and i think that I can relate to where you are x I always knew there were things wrong with world, but never tied it all together. when a was a kid I used to cry over the animals exploited in experiments and the animals being murdered in the meat industry. then I hit my teens and dropped out of school and every thing else and rebelled against everything as some do. But i never saw the whole picture, it was all based on intuition and feeling. Then 3 years ago i experienced a traumatic experience of massive emotionnal proportion when my uncle died, and I held his hand as it happened. Nothing went back to normal, the way it was before.
I started digging for information, it started with the pharmacuitical industry, the medical institutes, then then the poisons in our food, water, personal products, shampoos etc. I found like minded people in bizzarre situations that where agreeing with me and I actually understood what they where saying.
Books crossed my path in book shops and ive been digging ever since.

Ive freaked out, totally 'lost it', ranted at my freinds till they have laballed me as a fruit cake, strangers in the street, other peoples freinds! Honestly once you begin to fall down the rabbit hole theres no going back. But again honestly, I would never change the knowledge Ive gained. To know, is to be enlightened, to seek knowledge is embracing life and your own personal path.

Family and freinds may think your crazy, but to not talk about the subjects you feel you have to, is to supress your true self.

We rant because we care. Be postive within the craziness of this world.
I cry on a regular basis for the state of our world, but we cry because we are human and to feel the pain of the world shows that we are connected. embrace it, feel it and then let it go. The most important thing you can do I feel, and is what I live by, is you have to live your own life. You and those you care about are the most important.
If you fear, do something, stockpile food, take a surival course. Don't let the opressers of our planet take you hope. Be active for yourself. Rant when you need to, be yourself, have time to feel your own personal joy also.
You are not alone, there are thousands of us waking up . Be happy x

again I rant, I do apologise, but I mean every world.

Blessed be our planet and all species that reside here, may we all have peace xxx
sam

[whatnoo]

Like the rest of us, you have'nt cracked-up. You have just rationlised your thinking and found some discrepancies.


I just put up with it. I used to try to argue it out with folks, but it just seemed to create resentment. Now, I just accept that you have to be READY to hear anything that challenges your conditioning.

Just live your life the way you know is right.

[anonymous240610]

I woke up a little over a week ago, just in time for a week later to SUDDENLY have a new PM that I knew in my soul was evil and when I looked I found the evidence (straight from original footage).

I should have really woken up 10 years ago (i was abducted by greys who gave me a message and on another occasion saw my friend merge into a reptilian alien in a meditation), but I am slow :| My mum wants to drug test me and is giving me over the phone psych tests, and my sister REFUSES to listen to me say one more thing... EVEN AFTER I SHOW THEM THE EYES AND THE TEETH! I don't really blame them... I would have thought the same thing about them, I would have scoffed them off.

All I want... is for ONE person around me here that I can touch, to be awake, because even though I'm surrounded by thousands of you, I am alone here, and that's freakin hard.

Thank god Muse are coming, because I know in my heart they know, so when I go to their concert, I can feel that in some way, and I won't feel so alone.

I don't believe in god, but thank god for Muse.

As far as proving my sanity goes... I have the good fortune of having a stepfather who has always been into alternative medicines/therapies and my mum and stepdad have always attended spiritual conventions. However what I'm saying now is even a lot out there for my stepdad, but he is able to listen to me rationally and give me direction, while my mum can't process any of what i'm saying, she is so heavily weighed down. My sister also. I LOVE the people that don't watch so much TV... you can tell them... strangely enough, they are able to accept what you say without thinking your crazy, even if they disagree, they accept what your saying. I recommend seek these people out in your life. Look for other people that don't have major influence by TV.... Funny how I've always had a natural instinctive hate of TV and haven't watched any for over 10years :| I'm pretty sure that's how I woke up.

Good luck to all of you!

Peace and Light

[arthas6014]

Haven't read most posts, but I have one thing to say
Understand in so many views that everything what people get emotional about becomes irrelevant and you can act as you want. Its a game after all.

[lt72]

The very first post in this thread could have been me explaining my situation. i get the piss took out of me all the time with things I say, lately its been getting me down badly all the stuff thats happening in the world, i just try to have a laugh and not let the bastards grind me down.

[anonymous240610]

The very first post in this thread could have been me explaining my situation. i get the piss took out of me all the time with things I say, lately its been getting me down badly all the stuff thats happening in the world, i just try to have a laugh and not let the bastards grind me down.

I totally understand where you are coming from... but please... I got this message DIRECT FROM SPIRIT...

Seek out those who DON'T watch TV... they can HEAR what you are saying without thinking you are crazy. It is these people that you can feel some relief of your spirit and give you motivation to keep going...

Also for motivation keep listening to Muse - Uprising this will also rise your heart up and give you the knowledge that you ARE NOT ALONE, and we ARE STANDING TOGETHER, and WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS

They will not force us
They will STOP degrading us
They will not control us
WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS

MESSAGE FROM SPIRIT: This song will be known in future generations as the song that woke up a generation of FREE THINKERS, remember this moment in time and BE EXCITED because you are a part of something bigger than ANYONE could ever have believed.

Peace, Love and Light

[oscify]

is to explain how you are feeling with reasonable, dispassionate, logically based arguments. Cite your sources and use examples from everyday life to strengthen your argument.

Oh yeah, and you ARE crazy.

But as Nas says, everybody is

[energi]

Also for motivation keep listening to Muse - Uprising this will also rise your heart up and give you the knowledge that you ARE NOT ALONE, and we ARE STANDING TOGETHER, and WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS

They will not force us
They will STOP degrading us
They will not control us
WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS

MESSAGE FROM SPIRIT: This song will be known in future generations as the song that woke up a generation of FREE THINKERS, remember this moment in time and BE EXCITED because you are a part of something bigger than ANYONE could ever have believed.

Peace, Love and Light
That's funny, since I've met tons of Muse fans that are as asleep and sheepy like anyone else.

That song also never fails with annoying me, I never liked it in the first place. hehe :)

But sure, if one only reads the lyrics is slightly comforting to know that there are modern-day musicians whose heads aren't completely up their arses :cool:

[anonymous240610]

That's funny, since I've met tons of Muse fans that are as asleep and sheepy like anyone else.

That song also never fails with annoying me, I never liked it in the first place. hehe :)

But sure, if one only reads the lyrics is slightly comforting to know that there are modern-day musicians whose heads aren't completely up their arses :cool:

Please don't call people that are asleep SHEEPY... that is a derogatory term used by reptilians and I do not like the arrogance that it implies when used by people like us who are awake... WE ARE NOT BETTER THAN THOSE WHO AREN'T AWAKE... JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE SOMETHING MORE THAN WHAT THEY ARE.

I'm sorry the song doesn't resonate with you, it lifts me up high. You seem to have a very bleak outlook.

Believe me when I say that it came direct from spirit and this song will be remembered by generations to come as the song that woke up a generation of people. If that doesn't resonate with you, that is ok, but please leave it at that, no need for bad vibes... there's far too much of that in this world already. We are here for the light, not the dark.

[gabeygoat]

I used to have that problem. Not any more.

If you don't want to sound crazy, than don't.

When I was young I believed in anything that went against conformist society. It took me a long time to figure out that my beliefs were based on a personal agenda rather than actually evaluating the 'evidence' objectively. Consequently, many of my beliefs were not being challenged because my opponents were 'sheeple' - I was simply wrong.

Some things ARE conpiracies, others are not.

Some people are just 'a bit thick' or ignorant. If those people think you are crazy, then it doesn't really matter - SERIOUSLY. Just find some new friends. However, if you are talking to someone that is knowledgable, intelligent or wise, it can be helpful to evaluate their opinion for what it is worth. You may sometimes find that they are right and you are wrong - not always, but sometimes. Usually those people would know better than to call someone 'crazy', but they would know when something is 'nonsense' or 'irrational'.

The point is this -

There are certain people on this forum who like to believe EVERYTHING IS A LIE! (trademark). These people are largely militant and reactionary. They fail to see that there is also beauty in life and are preoccupied with chasing demons, often when there are no demons to be found. They see conspiracies everywhere - in every meal, their natural environment, their own thought processes and weirdly other conspiracy theorists. They are slowly alienating themselves from everyone and everything. I realise it is good to question things, but these folks have taken things too far. There really are things in life that are safe to trust, and if you lose your belief in those very basic elements, life is in danger of becoming futile. I know - I've been there and it's a horrible state of mind. With nothing left to believe in, you inevitably lose faith in yourself and that really is crazy.

Now I am not an anti-conspiracy theorist by a long shot. But I am savvy enough to know that some conspiracy theories simply don't work. Some of the hardline theorists appear to be collecting conspiracy theories like football cards - Did you hear the one about the moon? Great! Now get the one about Paul McCartney! I'll swap you for Roswell!

Be objective and construct your arguments so that you are untouchable. If you don't want to sound crazy, be informed and clever enough not to sound crazy - it's as simple as that.

Don't believe anything unless it is 100% indestructible. Sadly you may find very little that is 100% indestructible, but in some ways that is a good thing. There is too much stuff on this forum that is based around circumstantial evidence or subjective opinion and interpretation. There is a wealth of hypothetical scenarios that have never been tested. And yes, sadly there are a few crazy people too. However, there are also informative people who are correct. There is an abundance of intelligence and there are some of the most ineteresting people you could hope to meet. Learn to distinguish between those folks and figure it out for yourself.

Read the conspiracy theories AND the debunker arguments with equal attention. Both are valid if you are forming a balanced opinion.

Good luck.



this post needs more attention. it's well thought out

[piskavac]

I just admit that I have totally lost it, I'm insane and struggling to function properly in this society.[/i]"

Bravo Maestro!

[lt72]

I totally understand where you are coming from... but please... I got this message DIRECT FROM SPIRIT...

Seek out those who DON'T watch TV... they can HEAR what you are saying without thinking you are crazy. It is these people that you can feel some relief of your spirit and give you motivation to keep going...

Also for motivation keep listening to Muse - Uprising this will also rise your heart up and give you the knowledge that you ARE NOT ALONE, and we ARE STANDING TOGETHER, and WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS

They will not force us
They will STOP degrading us
They will not control us
WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS

MESSAGE FROM SPIRIT: This song will be known in future generations as the song that woke up a generation of FREE THINKERS, remember this moment in time and BE EXCITED because you are a part of something bigger than ANYONE could ever have believed.

Peace, Love and Light



LOVE IT, WHAT A TUNE!!!!! Thanks, lets have it!!!!

[filinfinland]

That's funny, since I've met tons of Muse fans that are as asleep and sheepy like anyone else.

That song also never fails with annoying me, I never liked it in the first place. hehe :)

But sure, if one only reads the lyrics is slightly comforting to know that there are modern-day musicians whose heads aren't completely up their arses :cool:

Muse sucks

[anonymous240610]

Muse sucks

why spread hate? that's the job of our politicians. we need to do the opposite. If you don't like something... does it have to be so negative? Can't you say u aren't a fan?

LOOK AT THE WAY WE SPEAK... WE HAVE TO START TREATING EACH OTHER BETTER, THIS IS PART OF WHAT KEEPS US ENSLAVED... THIS HATE CULTURE WE HAVE GENERATED IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND CAN NO LONGER BE ACCEPTABLE IF WE ARE GOING TO SAVE OURSELVES.

STICK TO POSITIVE THOUGHTS/STATEMENTS

[filinfinland]

why spread hate? that's the job of our politicians. we need to do the opposite. If you don't like something... does it have to be so negative? Can't you say u aren't a fan?

LOOK AT THE WAY WE SPEAK... WE HAVE TO START TREATING EACH OTHER BETTER, THIS IS PART OF WHAT KEEPS US ENSLAVED... THIS HATE CULTURE WE HAVE GENERATED IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND CAN NO LONGER BE ACCEPTABLE IF WE ARE GOING TO SAVE OURSELVES.

STICK TO POSITIVE THOUGHTS/STATEMENTS

You are absolutely right but, I did not say I hated them. I expressed my opinion in modern colloquialism. Music is purely subjective.

[sh3lly]

Honestly, I keep a LOT of what I truly believe to myself. I just don't have the energy, desire, or motivation to argue/debate with people over my views and it's a lot easier. People that are close to me definitely know my views are unconventional and outside the mainstream, but I definitely water it down.