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krakhead

13-06-2010, 04:17 PM

Maybe it would make some people happier knowing they were getting a lot for their money (seemingly the only important thing for a lot of people these days) - he must surely attempt to market his books to people who don't already know all about him and his theories.

Other than that - who gives a fuck how he tries to market it? I think you're trying to make an argument where none exists.

beetzart

13-06-2010, 04:18 PM

joe563

13-06-2010, 04:24 PM

krakhead

13-06-2010, 04:28 PM

So by that logic if I brought 100kg of coal and it turned out 95% of it was charcoal that would be ok.

If you notice my post you will see I said SOME people may look for that sort of info and be attracted to it. Neither of us are experts in book marketing so who are we to say if it's the right or wrong thing to do when selling a book?

But hey, let's continue debating this really important aspect of David's work - it's essential in helping create a new, fairer, more loving reality for us all to experience :rolleyes:

beetzart

13-06-2010, 05:01 PM

If you notice my post you will see I said SOME people may look for that sort of info and be attracted to it. Neither of us are experts in book marketing so who are we to say if it's the right or wrong thing to do when selling a book?

But hey, let's continue debating this really important aspect of David's work - it's essential in helping create a new, fairer, more loving reality for us all to experience :rolleyes:

Yeah fair enough.

I just think a book should be marketed on its quality not its quantity, in most situations.

krakhead

13-06-2010, 05:04 PM

Yeah fair enough.

I just think a book should be marketed on its quality not its quantity, in most situations.

Considering the general public perception of David (certainly in the UK), I guess he has to try and entice people to his work by any means necessary :)

beetzart

13-06-2010, 05:06 PM

Considering the general public perception of David (certainly in the UK), I guess he has to try and entice people to his work by any means necessary :)

So what you are saying is that if he says what it actually contains no-one will buy it?

krakhead

13-06-2010, 05:09 PM

So what you are saying is that if he says what it actually contains no-one will buy it?

Do you work for the Sun newspaper or something?! Where did I say that? :confused:

Never trust someone who starts a sentence with "so what you are saying IS....." I said what I said, not what you want to twist it into.

:D

tracker

13-06-2010, 05:13 PM

....why David has to advertise his books by saying how many pages/words/pictures they contain?

It seems an odd marketing idea to me. Surely the quality of the content is more significant?

yes , but explaining how many pages , words , pictures is an act of explaining the content in way that also shows how much hard work he has put in to it is my opinion .

I am wondering

why is this such an issue with you to make a thread about ?

If you had read his works before than you already know the great contents of his books , if you have not , what do you expect him to say ?

that its a quality book ?

because David him self IMO does not uplift him self in that manner , only the reader can distinguish as to its content and its worth .

Meees thought any one would know that .:cool:

tracker

13-06-2010, 05:14 PM

Do you work for the Sun newspaper or something?! Where did I say that? :confused:

Never trust someone who starts a sentence with "so what you are saying IS....." I said what I said, not what you want to twist it into.

:D

YES INDEED !

never trust any one who puts words in your mouth and twists the meaning of what you actually say .

too true .:cool:

eyeballkid88

13-06-2010, 05:15 PM

Other than that - who gives a fuck how he tries to market it? I think you're trying to make an argument where none exists.

Thats how he rolls....yawn......

tracker

13-06-2010, 05:18 PM

1st negative responce .
....why David has to advertise his books by saying how many pages/words/pictures they contain?

It seems an odd marketing idea to me. Surely the quality of the content is more significant?

2nd negative responce
So by that logic if I brought 100kg of coal and it turned out 95% of it was charcoal that would be ok.

3rd negative responce
Yeah fair enough.

I just think a book should be marketed on its quality not its quantity, in most situations.

4th negative responce
So what you are saying is that if he says what it actually contains no-one will buy it?

look folks , this person has put words into peoples mouths many times , has not made one posative responce ,
they know full well that NO WRITER grades their own books

because David him self IMO does not uplift him self in that manner , only the reader can distinguish as to its content and its worth .

Meees thought any one would know that .

the thread creator is just being an idiot :cool:

spitalwings

13-06-2010, 05:24 PM

....why David has to advertise his books by saying how many pages/words/pictures they contain?

It seems an odd marketing idea to me. Surely the quality of the content is more significant?

It is an odd way to market a book. People know what they're going to get, people will buy it or not. I wouldn't pay, no thanks. He should also say it's quite heavy and the text is really small.

neoconsumer

13-06-2010, 05:37 PM

yes , but explaining how many pages , words , pictures is an act of explaining the content in way that also shows how much hard work he has put in to it is my opinion .

Exactly, he's not saying "This is all the truth, everyone must consume my books and believe every word."

Whether you agree/believe what he says is irrelevant, he's simply telling his truth, his story.

He's mentioning the quantities exactly for the reason mentioned above - he's put a lot of time and effort into it, whether you like it or not is irrelevant. He doesn't need to tell people why they "need" to buy the book, he's not that kind of salesman.

I only received my copy yesterday, and I'm really enjoying reading it so far. There are many things I disagree with on the various subjects he discusses, but I really like his easy-read writing style and I find his tales of his own personal experiences to be quite fascinating. He buys into some daft notions, falling even for blatant media propaganda at times - but everyone interprets things differently. As with all books, I take in the parts I like and pass by the parts that I don't. (Though of course, I give them a fair assessment - and even if they seem unappealing from the go, I research them further before dismissing them)

spitalwings

13-06-2010, 05:44 PM

I personally like to work out the penny per word ratio when i'm considering buying a book since they fucked the economy up.

beetzart

13-06-2010, 06:02 PM

Do you work for the Sun newspaper or something?! Where did I say that? :confused:

Never trust someone who starts a sentence with "so what you are saying IS....." I said what I said, not what you want to twist it into.

:D

You said he has to entice people into buying it because of if his perception in the UK. That implies that you are saying the UK population are stupid and will only buy books based on their quantity.

Why can't he be honest and say it talks about the 'Moon Matrix', 'reptillians' etc?

joe563

13-06-2010, 06:07 PM

Why can't he be honest and say it talks about the 'Moon Matrix', 'reptillians' etc?

Well we all know the answer to that ;)

krakhead

13-06-2010, 06:24 PM

You said he has to entice people into buying it because of if his perception in the UK. That implies that you are saying the UK population are stupid and will only buy books based on their quantity.

Why can't he be honest and say it talks about the 'Moon Matrix', 'reptillians' etc?

:confused: Wow! What a mind you have :rolleyes:

Yes, he has to 'entice' (or to put it another way - 'advertise') people into buying his books because it's one of the ways he makes his living.

His perception amongst many in the UK is still (annoyingly) led by 'that' interview with Terry Wogan many, many years ago - that doesn't in any way mean those people are stupid. They just haven't come across the right information yet.

Keep digging though sunshine, I can still see your head! :D

beetzart

13-06-2010, 06:29 PM

:confused: Wow! What a mind you have :rolleyes:

Yes, he has to 'entice' (or to put it another way - 'advertise') people into buying his books because it's one of the ways he makes his living.

His perception amongst many in the UK is still (annoyingly) led by 'that' interview with Terry Wogan many, many years ago - that doesn't in any way mean those people are stupid. They just haven't come across the right information yet.

Keep digging though sunshine, I can still see your head! :D

Well why can't he tell the truth then? From the outset he is feeding a silly line.

Let people decide. ie, tell them what his book contains, instead of how big it is, and then see if they will buy it. Simple.

krakhead

13-06-2010, 06:38 PM

Well why can't he tell the truth then? From the outset he is feeding a silly line.

Let people decide. ie, tell them what his book contains, instead of how big it is, and then see if they will buy it. Simple.

Where is it exactly that you feel he lied in presenting the info as to how big the book is, how many pictures it contains etc?

And why do you appear to be ignoring the rest of the info presented in the advert - the info where it is explained as to what the main thrust of the book is?

_tzupidity

13-06-2010, 06:45 PM

....why David has to advertise his books by saying how many pages/words/pictures they contain?

It seems an odd marketing idea to me. Surely the quality of the content is more significant?

You've asked a very fair question, unfortunatley you've not asked it in the best place to get a fair answer. Many here are unable to separate the Man called David Icke and the products produced by David Icke Books Ltd. Questioning one seems to imply to some that you are questioning both when doing this would be pointless.

That, in a sense, partly answers your question. Icke books look like academic books but they aren't. If you notice, he calls himself a 'dot connector', not a researcher or an author. It may look crude with the bad language, repetition, poor quality source material etc, but it's meant to be that way.

He makes a big deal about not getting any qualifications or a degree, about not being academically minded or seeing the value of algebra. But, he worked for the BBC and closely linked to the ex BBC producer (and alleged MI5 handler of the Icke Family) Danny Wallace (see my old thread about it) so he clearly knows what he's doing.

Anyone outside that target audience would see the word count pimping and other such ploys and ask; "Isn't that like those tv adverts for One Knife where you end up getting 15 other knives, some tupperware and an onion slicer for free?" The answer would be a resounded Yes. It's the same technique but it's a technique that works very well on a set portion of society.

dontbeafraid

13-06-2010, 07:14 PM

....why David has to advertise his books by saying how many pages/words/pictures they contain?

It seems an odd marketing idea to me. Surely the quality of the content is more significant?

He is proud of his accomplishment. And he is a builder.

When a builder builds a house, he will also tell you how many nails he used, how many board feet of lumber was used, and how many windows the house has, and how many bathrooms, etc.

David Icke has become a builder, and when you enter into the ´"building" he built, one becomes awake.

It could be the reason why he says how many pages/words/pictures etc.

So why do you think he does that?

beetzart

13-06-2010, 07:25 PM

He is proud of his accomplishment. And he is a builder.

When a builder builds a house, he will also tell you how many nails he used, how many board feet of lumber was used, and how many windows the house has, and how many bathrooms, etc.

David Icke has become a builder, and when you enter into the ´"building" he built, one becomes awake.

It could be the reason why he says how many pages/words/pictures etc.

So why do you think he does that?

I never would buy a book based on its size.

eyeballkid88

13-06-2010, 07:26 PM

_tzupidity

13-06-2010, 07:31 PM

krakhead

13-06-2010, 07:33 PM

Is that some kind of Masonic Metaphor?

:rolleyes:

dontbeafraid

13-06-2010, 07:34 PM

I never would buy a book based on its size.

Good, that means you are not as crazy as I thought, cause noone else does either.

beetzart

13-06-2010, 07:37 PM

Troll , troll, troll , troll, hes a troll, dont look in his eyes or feed him... let him die...

My,this is getting scary. Do you actually wish me dead because I ask a simple question?

dontbeafraid

13-06-2010, 07:40 PM

Is that some kind of Masonic Metaphor?

Nah, its just me being wishy washy. Everyone who writes a thesis in college tells you how many pages it has. He is just like the rest of us, proud of his accomplishment. It really shows one that he is doing this stuff without some handler telling him what to say and how to act. He is human just like the rest of us.

_tzupidity

13-06-2010, 07:40 PM

My,this is getting scary. Do you actually wish me dead because I ask a simple question?

Please don't go there. Otherwise well get a few pages of arguing and this thread will get moved to The Rant Room or be deleted.

eyeballkid88

13-06-2010, 07:43 PM

My,this is getting scary. Do you actually wish me dead because I ask a simple question?

Yes Beetzart yes!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish you dead, dead I say....... I will not rest until you are ended.... ;)

krakhead

13-06-2010, 07:44 PM

My,this is getting scary. Do you actually wish me dead because I ask a simple question?

There are tests for certain mental illnesses that look at the inability to understand metaphors you know.....

_tzupidity

13-06-2010, 07:51 PM

Nah, its just me being wishy washy.

I was just kidding. I miss the David Icke is a Mason threads, they're usually pretty funny. The masses are getting quite good with photoshop these days.

Everyone who writes a thesis in college tells you how many pages it has. He is just like the rest of us, proud of his accomplishment. It really shows one that he is doing this stuff without some handler telling him what to say and how to act. He is human just like the rest of us.

In England it's a bit diferent. You get given a word count to aim for and then moan about it until you manage to find enough words to fill it up. :)
Icke's book is humungous. 40,000 words is about the accepted minimum for a novel.

I understand what you're saying about him being justifiably proud, but it's every single interview and every single advert. He reels off the stats of the book before he even tells you what it's about. Words, Pages, Artwork. In the later interviews you can even hear that he's getting a bit sick of repeating it himself. It's that repetition that stands out as 'cheap marketing' to me. As the OP said, it's like you've got no other selling point to put accross.

There is one other small niggling issue. Once you remove all the repeated information from previous books and any quoted information from source books, what is the word count of new and original Icke content? Anyone know or want to count?

beetzart

13-06-2010, 07:52 PM

There are tests for certain mental illnesses that look at the inability to understand metaphors you know.....

Metaphor or not you can't be too sure with some aspects of this forum.

_tzupidity

13-06-2010, 07:53 PM

There are tests for certain mental illnesses that look at the inability to understand metaphors you know.....

KrakHead, it's a Similie not a Metaphor. EyeBallKid said he is a troll, not like a troll. Did you pass said test? :p

krakhead

13-06-2010, 07:56 PM

Krakhead, it's a Similie not a Metaphor. EyeBallKid said he is a troll, not like a troll. Did you pass said test? :p

LMAO! Doh! That went through my head too! Unfortunately - not much in the middle to stop it! :D

eyeballkid88

13-06-2010, 08:03 PM

KrakHead, it's a Similie not a Metaphor. EyeBallKid said he is a troll, not like a troll. Did you pass said test? :p

the metaphor is the starve him thing, as in I dont really want him dead..... its a metaphorical starving, ie the guy is craving attention being negative against someone we all love.... speaks volumes about him, empty vessels make the most noise etc.....

so in conclusion its a similie, metaphor with a smilie on the end ;)

dontbeafraid

13-06-2010, 08:04 PM

I was just kidding. I miss the David Icke is a Mason threads, they're usually pretty funny. The masses are getting quite good with photoshop these days.

In England it's a bit diferent. You get given a word count to aim for and then moan about it until you manage to find enough words to fill it up. :)
Icke's book is humungous. 40,000 words is about the accepted minimum for a novel.

I understand what you're saying about him being justifiably proud, but it's every single interview and every single advert. He reels off the stats of the book before he even tells you what it's about. Words, Pages, Artwork. In the later interviews you can even hear that he's getting a bit sick of repeating it himself. It's that repetition that stands out as 'cheap marketing' to me. As the OP said, it's like you've got no other selling point to put accross.

There is one other small niggling issue. Once you remove all the repeated information from previous books and any quoted information from source books, what is the word count of new and original Icke content? Anyone know or want to count?

I can hear that in his voice too, but I feel that a guy who has been the laughing stock of a country has a right to flaunt his accomplishment. And he knows that there are some new listeners and he wants to let them know too.

I dont have the book yet, and I have not read his other books. But I think he repeats stuff because the nature of how this waking up movement is. Everyday there are new people waking up, so he puts in the important stuff from his other books for people new to his stuff.

If he was about money, he would not do that. He would make people buy his other books to get the complete message he has to say. And I know about selling books, I am a bookseller and can see who is using making money techniques and who isnt.

beetzart

13-06-2010, 08:05 PM

the metaphor is the starve him thing, as in I dont really want him dead..... its a metaphorical starving, ie the guy is craving attention being negative against someone we all love.... speaks volumes about him, empty vessels make the most noise etc.....

so in conclusion its a similie, metaphor with a smilie on the end ;)

Why do you assume I am craving attention? I have made a vaild point. Most books aren't marketed by size, but by quality.

curtaincat

13-06-2010, 08:06 PM

My opinion is that beetrootfart is having a bet, ( with another not to be named forum) on how long he can fart around on here... b4 he gets banned.

He is tested everyones patience. Well, the mods have all day ... good luck beets, you will need it :rolleyes:

eyeballkid88

13-06-2010, 08:06 PM

Why do you assume I am craving attention? I have made a vaild point. Most books aren't marketed by size, but by quality.

I can sense it....I work only in knowledge.... I have extra sensory powers, I am looking through your own eyes at your screen as we speak....

beetzart

13-06-2010, 08:07 PM

I can hear that in his voice too, but I feel that a guy who has been the laughing stock of a country has a right to flaunt his accomplishment. And he knows that there are some new listeners and he wants to let them know too.

I dont have the book yet, and I have not read his other books. But I think he repeats stuff because the nature of how this waking up movement is. Everyday there are new people waking up, so he puts in the important stuff from his other books for people new to his stuff.

If he was about money, he would not do that. He would make people buy his other books to get the complete message he has to say. And I know about selling books, I am a bookseller and can see who is using making money techniques and who isnt.

Can't new people buy the old books then progress to the newer books then? I know they would end up becoming like Chinese takeaway ads you get though the door.

beetzart

13-06-2010, 08:08 PM

eyeballkid88

13-06-2010, 08:11 PM

Can't new people buy the old books then progress to the newer books then? I know they would end up becoming like Chinese takeaway ads you get though the door.

Evidence

subl1minal

13-06-2010, 08:12 PM

beetzart

13-06-2010, 08:12 PM

Evidence

If you took away the recycled stuff and left the new stuff it would get smaller each time.

subl1minal

13-06-2010, 08:18 PM

If you took away the recycled stuff and left the new stuff it would get smaller each time.

And no one would have any idea what they're reading about because there's no back log/history to it.

paulside

13-06-2010, 08:19 PM

....why David has to advertise his books by saying how many pages/words/pictures they contain?

It seems an odd marketing idea to me. Surely the quality of the content is more significant?

So how can you judge the quality unless you read it :rolleyes:

So why would you want to pay the money to read it, perhaps by knowing how many pages/words/pictures it contains on a subject that you are interested in ;)

Its called advertising, it isn't a conspiracy or anything :cool:

Would you buy a bag of sugar on the basis that you know it's sweet without knowing how much is in the bag ?

beetzart - I sense you are having real difficulty understanding the nature of reality, but there's really no need to go all paranoid about it :D

beetzart

13-06-2010, 08:25 PM

And no one would have any idea what they're reading about because there's no back log/history to it.

That's a fair point actually.

So couldn't there be a condensed version for people who know the 'meat' already?

_tzupidity

13-06-2010, 09:05 PM

I can hear that in his voice too, but I feel that a guy who has been the laughing stock of a country has a right to flaunt his accomplishment. And he knows that there are some new listeners and he wants to let them know too.

If it's just that he's proud then that's fair enough and it'd answer the question. But if that was the case, would he tire of saying it as we've both noticed him doing? Maybe he regrets starting it, but has to carry on now he's committed? Y'know, it'd be so much easier if he was here to actually answer questions lol.

If he was about money, he would not do that. He would make people buy his other books to get the complete message he has to say. [...]

It would certainly seem that way, but as you're a book seller, consider this alternative.

I'm an author with a small audience and each time a book comes out, I only pick up a small number of new readers. The majority of my income comes from my fanbase (like with anyone else) so it's from them that I need to get the most cash.

By repeating information in books, I ensure that the longer you follow me and the more books you buy, the more information you have to pay multiple times for, so the more money I get from you in the long run.

I'm not saying that's what he is doing, just that it's one possible business model based on how he sets out his books, and it works.

dontbeafraid

13-06-2010, 09:27 PM

If it's just that he's proud then that's fair enough and it'd answer the question. But if that was the case, would he tire of saying it as we've both noticed him doing? Maybe he regrets starting it, but has to carry on now he's committed? Y'know, it'd be so much easier if he was here to actually answer questions lol.

It would certainly seem that way, but as you're a book seller, consider this alternative.

I'm an author with a small audience and each time a book comes out, I only pick up a small number of new readers. The majority of my income comes from my fanbase (like with anyone else) so it's from them that I need to get the most cash.

By repeating information in books, I ensure that the longer you follow me and the more books you buy, the more information you have to pay multiple times for, so the more money I get from you in the long run.

I'm not saying that's what he is doing, just that it's one possible business model based on how he sets out his books, and it works.

In the bookselling business, if you are into money, you create a "series". The reader is then manipulated with references to other past books, or characters or information, and to figure out the whole picture, the reader has to buy all the books that came before it. All I have to do is look at authors and their books and I know what they are up to.
I explained the above as basic as I can. I know if you are not in the business it might be hard to understand. But thats how it is. David Icke isnt doing this for money.

_tzupidity

14-06-2010, 12:33 AM

In the bookselling business, if you are into money, you create a "series". The reader is then manipulated with references to other past books, or characters or information, and to figure out the whole picture, the reader has to buy all the books that came before it. All I have to do is look at authors and their books and I know what they are up to.
I explained the above as basic as I can. I know if you are not in the business it might be hard to understand. But thats how it is. David Icke isnt doing this for money.

I swear I replied to this. If it got delete noone told me so I'm going to assume it was a glitch and reply again.

I said, I'm pretty sure Icke isn't in it for the money because he's not super-rich or if he is he hides it well.

Then I asked, if you're in the book industry and you've not read any of Icke's books, how come you don't get them in, read them really carefully, then put them back on the shelves to sell. That way you can read them for free :D

eyeballkid88

14-06-2010, 04:22 AM

If it's just that he's proud then that's fair enough and it'd answer the question. But if that was the case, would he tire of saying it as we've both noticed him doing? Maybe he regrets starting it, but has to carry on now he's committed? Y'know, it'd be so much easier if he was here to actually answer questions lol.

It would certainly seem that way, but as you're a book seller, consider this alternative.

I'm an author with a small audience and each time a book comes out, I only pick up a small number of new readers. The majority of my income comes from my fanbase (like with anyone else) so it's from them that I need to get the most cash.

By repeating information in books, I ensure that the longer you follow me and the more books you buy, the more information you have to pay multiple times for, so the more money I get from you in the long run.

I'm not saying that's what he is doing, just that it's one possible business model based on how he sets out his books, and it works.

Your one of these devils advocate type of guys arent you.... deliberately put out the slightly different view.... not the opposing view as in here you get you head knocked off, but the slightly different....

_tzupidity

14-06-2010, 01:40 PM

Your one of these devils advocate type of guys arent you.... deliberately put out the slightly different view.... not the opposing view as in here you get you head knocked off, but the slightly different....

Who is going to knock my head off? They should know that in the extremely unlikely event that they succeed, three new heads will sprout from the bloody stump and a whole new reign of terror will be unleased on them.

I, like a few people on here, am a seeker of Truth. That means that I am willing and able to consider any option based on its merits. The secret is to not be invested in the outcome. That way it is harder for people to mislead you.
The Icke Defenders are invested. They've put their trust in Ickey and it's that they are truly defending. If Icke was exposed as some kind of fraudster tomorrow they'd be the very first to start kicking off about it and pour derision on him. Again, it is their own shame for trusting that they would truly be attacking.

Where as I and the other seekers of Truth would merely say "Meh, there's still some good info in his work." and carry on unaffected.

Only those you trust can betray you.

exford

14-06-2010, 01:58 PM

Who is going to knock my head off? They should know that in the extremely unlikely event that they succeed, three new heads will sprout from the bloody stump and a whole new reign of terror will be unleased on them.

I, like a few people on here, am a seeker of Truth. That means that I am willing and able to consider any option based on its merits. The secret is to not be invested in the outcome. That way it is harder for people to mislead you.
The Icke Defenders are invested. They've put their trust in Ickey and it's that they are truly defending. If Icke was exposed as some kind of fraudster tomorrow they'd be the very first to start kicking off about it and pour derision on him. Again, it is their own shame for trusting that they would truly be attacking.

Where as I and the other seekers of Truth would merely say "Meh, there's still some good info in his work." and carry on unaffected.

Only those you trust can betray you.

I agree!

In life, it is wise to search for those who seek the Truth!!
And run like hell from those who claim to have found it!