There was no plane in this footage

[policestate]

There was no plane in this footage

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SONqKnDFfsk

[jonnycm]

Oh my fuck!!!!

[policestate]

I know, right?

[cathar]

@Policestate...What are you saying exactly...?

[policestate]

I'm saying what is in the title. There was no plane in this footage, no plane hit the tower.

[cathar]

I'm saying what is in the title. There was no plane in this footage, no plane hit the tower.

@ Policestate,,,well,well ,well.....You & Johnnycm are tag team disinfo agents
or you're both hopelessly ignorant morons...but it is obviousely the former...you are not fooling anybody on this forum....good luck with yours & Johnnys future bull shit endevors....:eek::eek:

[policestate]

@ Policestate,,,well,well ,well.....You & Johnnycm are tag team disinfo agents
or you're both hopelessly ignorant morons...but it is obviousely the former...you are not fooling anybody on this forum....good luck with yours & Johnnys future bull shit endevors....:eek::eek:

I don't know no johnny. You have angry denial there. I call what I see, and I see no plane.

People throw the Disinfo phrase around so much, its kids talk.

Peace :)

[kbeet]

I'm saying what is in the title. There was no plane in this footage, no plane hit the tower.

no plaine hit the tower.. want to retink that.. i was there. i saw them hit the towers.. so how do you propose to tell me there was no plaines

[policestate]

How do i know that? I don't know you. Unless you have a mobile phone that recorded the plane and your reaction. Then i'm afraid your out of luck with me.

[cathar]

@Kbeet,,,Policestate has been on this forum less than 2 weeks but she has rung up
over 400 posts..most of them one liners...she/he /it is trying to establish itself as a legitmate poster when she is mostly bull s*it...I suggest we let this thread sink like a stone... as it is total crap.

[dave52]

no plaine hit the tower.. want to retink that.. i was there. i saw them hit the towers.. so how do you propose to tell me there was no plaines

Where were you.... what did you see..?

Would love to hear your story - thanks.

[policestate]

@Kbeet,,,Policestate has been on this forum less than 2 weeks but she has rung up
over 400 posts..most of them one liners...she/he /it is trying to establish itself as a legitmate poster when she is mostly bull s*it...I suggest we let this thread sink like a stone... as it is total crap.

listen -- you can talk about me anyway you want, I don't care. check my previous posts.. it mostly news facts.

I seen what i seen in this video.

[policestate]

Where were you.... what did you see..?

Would love to hear your story - thanks.

I was at home watching this on SKY News in the UK. I started watching after SKY reported the planes hit.

[drakul]

no plaine hit the tower.. want to retink that.. i was there. i saw them hit the towers..

Uhuh.

[kooskoets]

no plaine hit the tower.. want to retink that.. i was there. i saw them hit the towers.. so how do you propose to tell me there was no plaines

hehe...i don't believe you.
Come on...i mean...planes parking into buildings was just a special effect.

But that vid is a fake from a fake.
Specially posted as a no-plane mislead.

Don't use it as evidence of anything.

[policestate]

But that vid is a fake from a fake.
Specially posted as a no-plane mislead.

well i haven't seen anything to the contrary. where did you see this? :)

[merlincove]

@Kbeet,,,Policestate has been on this forum less than 2 weeks but she has rung up
over 400 posts..most of them one liners...she/he /it is trying to establish itself as a legitmate poster when she is mostly bull s*it...I suggest we let this thread sink like a stone... as it is total crap.

the amount of posts a member has is often only reflective of how m=ch time they spend on the forum, and not really a reliable factor of whether they are a legitimate poster or not.

There was no plane in this footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SONqKnDFfsk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SONqKnDFfsk

i'm looking at the video and thinking that it is not what it seems, i feel that the 'special effect' of the plane hitting the tower has been removed - as the two shots included in the video are actually the same shot, one wothout the plane and one showing the plane.

It would seem that the 'and here it is with the plane,' section has been edited, and the plane removed in the first half of the vid, if you look closely you can see the pixelisation against the tower where the plane should be but isn't.

I'm still very confused at how a plane can melt into a building, and am not convinced that planes were used in the attacks, but then i'm not convinced that they weren't either, neither story quite adds up. but i think the video has been made to further muddy the waters, rather than offer any proof to no plane theory.

:D

[policestate]

I don't think this clip has been made dude. But i'm sure you have seen this actual clip on the news with the plane? it has the same colour defects and everything.

I don't want to get into the whole no-planes thing in this post, just about this video. But if anyone could post this original video, i would be greatful! we can then do some comparisons.

[camreeno]

The video starts too late, so in my mind it's probably just the angle that the video was shot that is giving the impression that the plane didn't fly into it. It was just covered by the building.

[kbeet]

Where were you.... what did you see..?

Would love to hear your story - thanks.

sure ill tell you
if your saying no plaines hit those towers on 9/11 thats where me and over a million witnesses got you... i was there i saw it the whole city saw it. so how can you saay plaines did not fly into the wtc.. and a jet did fly into the pentagon. it hit the ground first and skidded into the building..
and personaly i hope relitives of the passengers in those plaines are not reading this. and that jet that crashed in PA. there was evidence found the passengers stoped the terrorise themselves at the cost of there lives.. the passengers in that plain showed more unselfish bravery then those terrorist can only day dreem to have. but i saw it happen with my own eyes in new york and no one can tell me other wise

[policestate]

sure ill tell you
if your saying no plaines hit those towers on 9/11 thats where me and over a million witnesses got you... i was there i saw it the whole city saw it. so how can you saay plaines did not fly into the wtc.. and a jet did fly into the pentagon. it hit the ground first and skidded into the building..
and personaly i hope relitives of the passengers in those plaines are not reading this. and that jet that crashed in PA.

You saw 2 planes and a jet? I highly doubt that.

[dave52]

but i saw it happen with my own eyes in new york and no one can tell me other wise

More info please. Where were you...? Why were you in NY...? What exactly did you see....?

[ultima1]

i was there i saw it the whole city saw it. so how can you saay plaines did not fly into the wtc.. and a jet did fly into the pentagon. it hit the ground first and skidded into the building..
and personaly i hope relitives of the passengers in those plaines are not reading this. and that jet that crashed in PA.

WOW, so you were at 4 crash sites and witnessed them all? How did you travel to all the crash sites so fast?

[quote]there was evidence found [/.quote]

What evidence?

[krakhead]

Personally I think the whole 'no plane theory' is a hoax intended to discredit those who are trying to convince the larger populace that 9-11 was an inside job. This could well be another string to that particular bow.

[policestate]

Personally I think the whole 'no plane theory' is a hoax intended to discredit those who are trying to convince the larger populace that 9-11 was an inside job. This could well be another string to that particular bow.

in no way am i trying to discredit that 911 was an inside job.

its the same argument. the argument about no planes is it was bombs inside the building. inside job.

we're on the same side

[krakhead]

in no way am i trying to discredit that 911 was an inside job.

its the same argument. the argument about no planes is it was bombs inside the building. inside job.

we're on the same side

I think there were planes AND explosives in the building!

So no need to defend your position - I wasn't accusing you of being one of the damned NPT-ers! ;) Just saying what I think of footage like this that causes cognitive dissonance within the 'truther' movement. Like the 'blackjack' thing, I think TPTB are attempting to headfuck people into giving up looking for anything meaningful.

[policestate]

I appreciate your post krakhead. Let me say a few things here, not directed to you, but generally.

its another opinion. I can NOT disregard this. I don't see how this takes away what has already been set up?

i been reading that the people who believe no planes hit the buildings, are the ones who are out to destroy We Are Change, Alex Jones, Jason Bermas and the whole 911 investigation.

What a load of horse shit. Those guys are amazing and done fantastic work. I will continue to be a supporter of those guys and their work and no planes conspiracy fact, shown in the video in my signature. September Clues.

[ultima1]

I think there were planes AND explosives in the building!.

Well lets look at some facts.

The fire chiefs on the scene at WTC 1 and 2 were only worried about the floors above the impact area might collapse if the fire burned for several hours. The fires in WTC 1 and 2 burned about 1 hour and thier was a global collapse of the buildings.

We also know that the fire commander ordered building 7 to be brought down as Silverstien stated.

[hadabusa]

sure ill tell you
if your saying no plaines hit those towers on 9/11 thats where me and over a million witnesses got you... i was there i saw it the whole city saw it. so how can you saay plaines did not fly into the wtc.. and a jet did fly into the pentagon. it hit the ground first and skidded into the building..
and personaly i hope relitives of the passengers in those plaines are not reading this. and that jet that crashed in PA. there was evidence found the passengers stoped the terrorise themselves at the cost of there lives.. the passengers in that plain showed more unselfish bravery then those terrorist can only day dreem to have. but i saw it happen with my own eyes in new york and no one can tell me other wise

i almost believed you....

then you said this ridicolous crap about the pentagon.lol.

better luck next time.

where did you stand in nyc.
?


op, to say nothing at all hit the buildings is crazy imo, but i highly doubt it was passenger planes.

[hadabusa]

Well lets look at some facts.

The fire chiefs on the scene at WTC 1 and 2 were only worried about the floors above the impact area might collapse if the fire burned for several hours. The fires in WTC 1 and 2 burned about 1 hour and thier was a global collapse of the buildings.

We also know that the fire commander ordered building 7 to be brought down as Silverstien stated.

yes, didnt the towers consist of 3blocks each?





yup, building 7 is joke of history.
i know its been damaged pretty bad, but the way it fell is not realistic.
every non american demolition expert would agree,im fairly certain.

wow, im kinda happy you think it was an insidejob.

[hadabusa]

I think there were planes AND explosives in the building!

So no need to defend your position - I wasn't accusing you of being one of the damned NPT-ers! ;) Just saying what I think of footage like this that causes cognitive dissonance within the 'truther' movement. Like the 'blackjack' thing, I think TPTB are attempting to headfuck people into giving up looking for anything meaningful.

hm.
lol, i checked npt rebutals at randis, and im still saying plane shaped missiles.

one thing that got me very curious is the mohamed atta tapes.
if theyre real, then planes hit.
but theres soooo much open questions about the tapes.

[hadabusa]

sure ill tell you
if your saying no plaines hit those towers on 9/11 thats where me and over a million witnesses got you... i was there i saw it the whole city saw it. so how can you saay plaines did not fly into the wtc.. and a jet did fly into the pentagon. it hit the ground first and skidded into the building..
and personaly i hope relitives of the passengers in those plaines are not reading this. and that jet that crashed in PA. there was evidence found the passengers stoped the terrorise themselves at the cost of there lives.. the passengers in that plain showed more unselfish bravery then those terrorist can only day dreem to have. but i saw it happen with my own eyes in new york and no one can tell me other wise

hey he asked where did you stand.

answer properly and spare us the patriotic bs.

noone knows what happened on/with the planes.

i hope you wont claim youve been on both planes too.
:rolleyes:

[ultima1]

yup, building 7 is joke of history.
i know its been damaged pretty bad, but the way it fell is not realistic.
every non american demolition expert would agree,im fairly certain.

If building 7 would have collapsed on its own it would have fallen to the side that was damaged.

wow, im kinda happy you think it was an insidejob.

I never said anything about an inside job.

[hadabusa]

If building 7 would have collapsed on its own it would have fallen to the side that was damaged.



I never said anything about an inside job.

well, maybe inside job is the wrong term.

[ultima1]

well, maybe inside job is the wrong term.

Ther is not enough evidence to prove an inside job, but there is anough evidence to show resoanable doubt in the offcial story.

[noewhan]

9/11 CLEAR bomb going off in WTC BEFORE first plane EVER hit

Fast forward to 6:45 for what appears to be evidence of a bomb going off before the 1st plane hit. Or a person nearby tapped the camera with their foot by accident?

I think the term 'inside job' is good. False flag event is more technical... I guess.

[el jefe]

Rooftop view of plane going into second tower, explsion - YouTube

[graflok]

John Lear - Vanishing Planes & Holographs - YouTube

John Lear - 9/11 & Strategic Perception Management - YouTube

Long Island vanishing aircraft:
http://www.ufoinfo.com/news/vanishing.shtml

[ultima1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CudLxM04l6A

Its just too bad Mr. Lears aviation background is undebatable.

He has held every FAA certificate they have and still holds world records.

[dave52]

I have a lot of time for John Lear... He is definitely in the no-plane/hologram camp.

[cluas]

Good video -

looks more real than the ones with planes in it ;)

[kbeet]

I don’t think anyone knows the full impact and scope of 9/11. It don’t mater what you think caused 9/11. What maters is the following. After the first jet hit one of the buildings. I saw a woman in a yellow dress falling and a man falling head first. To the ground.. Some people jumped to escape the heat. Think of your self doing that. You know if you jump you will die you know if you don’t you will burn alive. What a choice that is to make, a man and a woman holding hands. Then jumped out the window. I saw a lot of what looked like parts of the building falling… it wisent parts of the building.. They were people. Think of you in there with no choice to burn alive or jump and get crushed on the ground.. Do you wonder if some of those people was still alive for a few seconds or a minute after hitting the ground.. Do you wonder those who didn’t jump being burned alive. The heat was so intense it melted the steel. Melted steel was found at the clean up. Those people that fell and jumped. You know those who jumped was alive all the way down. Say that was you. What would you be thinking. And the first building fell. The ground shook. Like a earth quake. It had to feel like 9 plus in a earth quakes scale. I heard the screaming as it fell. From those still trapped in the building.. Then the dust then the quiet.. Not more then 15 seconds passed and the other one fell . Like the first one.. I heard hundreds of people screaming. There last sound.. I saw this. I heard this..
The terrorist that planned and did this had no regard for a life.. Anyone’s life.. Mine yours. If they could have killed more they would have as if that wisent bad enough. Do you know what its like watching all those people die. I was in shock. Like real shock. I couldn’t move all I could do was stand there and it kept playing over and over again in my head. I just started walking not caring where I just walked.. For hours. I don’t even remember going home or how I got there. I don’t want to hear any more that it wisent the Plaines that did it I was there I saw the whole dam thing. Melted steel was found plaines parts was found in the rubble. With more body’s. There are thousands of witnesses in new York city that was there. They saw it to. And I cant tell you in words because I cant find the right words to say to you that it was the plaines..
You have no idea how bad it was if you was not there as a eye witness. And you don’t know what your talking about if you was not there to witness it. I am one of the witnesses to 9/11. The horror of the clean up later is another story.. Body parts.. Someone still alive with parts missing and about to die. The radical Islam terrorist follow must be wiped off the earth and not remembered in years to come. don’t tell me it wisent the plaines.

[hadabusa]

I don’t think anyone knows the full impact and scope of 9/11. It don’t mater what you think caused 9/11. What maters is the following. After the first jet hit one of the buildings. I saw a woman in a yellow dress falling and a man falling head first. To the ground.. Some people jumped to escape the heat. Think of your self doing that. You know if you jump you will die you know if you don’t you will burn alive. What a choice that is to make, a man and a woman holding hands. Then jumped out the window. I saw a lot of what looked like parts of the building falling… it wisent parts of the building.. They were people. Think of you in there with no choice to burn alive or jump and get crushed on the ground.. Do you wonder if some of those people was still alive for a few seconds or a minute after hitting the ground.. Do you wonder those who didn’t jump being burned alive. The heat was so intense it melted the steel. Melted steel was found at the clean up. Those people that fell and jumped. You know those who jumped was alive all the way down. Say that was you. What would you be thinking. And the first building fell. The ground shook. Like a earth quake. It had to feel like 9 plus in a earth quakes scale. I heard the screaming as it fell. From those still trapped in the building.. Then the dust then the quiet.. Not more then 15 seconds passed and the other one fell . Like the first one.. I heard hundreds of people screaming. There last sound.. I saw this. I heard this..
The terrorist that planned and did this had no regard for a life.. Anyone’s life.. Mine yours. If they could have killed more they would have as if that wisent bad enough. Do you know what its like watching all those people die. I was in shock. Like real shock. I couldn’t move all I could do was stand there and it kept playing over and over again in my head. I just started walking not caring where I just walked.. For hours. I don’t even remember going home or how I got there. I don’t want to hear any more that it wisent the Plaines that did it I was there I saw the whole dam thing. Melted steel was found plaines parts was found in the rubble. With more body’s. There are thousands of witnesses in new York city that was there. They saw it to. And I cant tell you in words because I cant find the right words to say to you that it was the plaines..
You have no idea how bad it was if you was not there as a eye witness. And you don’t know what your talking about if you was not there to witness it. I am one of the witnesses to 9/11. The horror of the clean up later is another story.. Body parts.. Someone still alive with parts missing and about to die. The radical Islam terrorist follow must be wiped off the earth and not remembered in years to come. don’t tell me it wisent the plaines.

you trough?

it wasnt the planes.

it was usa foreign policy

[ultima1]

The heat was so intense it melted the steel. Melted steel was found at the clean up..

There was no molten steel in the building while it was standing, the molten steel was found the debris pile after the buildings were down.

Still not sure what casued it.

[kbeet]

you trough?

it wasnt the planes.

it was usa foreign policy

first no plaines was showen in the footage. then there was no plain
now its foreign policy like i sead none of you know what your talking about

[hadabusa]

first no plaines was showen in the footage. then there was no plain
now its foreign policy like i sead none of you know what your talking about

i said the vid in op was stupid.

theres reasonable doubts there been planes.

man,im not insulting you, im suggesting look at the evidence.

forget muzzys, falling ppl etc when you look at evidence .


you have here,in this thread, a 20plus yrs USMC guy saying official story dont add up.

[kbeet]

i said the vid in op was stupid.

theres reasonable doubts there been planes.

man,im not insulting you, im suggesting look at the evidence.

forget muzzys, falling ppl etc when you look at evidence .


you have here,in this thread, a 20plus yrs USMC guy saying official story dont add up.

did you say evidence?
i was there. the people in new york was there. we saw it.
you go to new york and tell people theres no evidence plaines hit the buildings. and ill send you flowers at the hospittal

[hadabusa]

did you say evidence?
i was there. the people in new york was there. we saw it.
you go to new york and tell people theres no evidence plaines hit the buildings. and ill send you flowers at the hospittal

oh dear.

you aware theres missiles wich look like planes?


how comes usmc couldnt stop "planes"?

first is understandable, but two?

[kbeet]

oh dear.

you aware theres missiles wich look like planes?


how comes usmc couldnt stop "planes"?

first is understandable, but two?

are you aware all new youk and me saw the first plaine lodged in the top of the first building.. are you aware over 10000 witnesses and me saw the 2nd plaine in flight then saw it hit the other building.. dont you think all of us know what a jet airliner looks like. i was right up close not far away like in those vedios or photos.. why am i trying to convince you people. i saw the first plaine hit the building.. i saw the 2nd plaine make a hard left and fly into the other building. i was not far away when they hit.. then people and i were told to go back. a guy at a pizza store made the first 911 call to report it.
just befor the 2nd plaine hit 10 minuts later.. they were jet plaines. they flew into the buildings. surf the net and get better footage..

[policestate]

i'm honestly not bothered about your sob story, people jumping from buildings and you seeing the jets. Not the thread for it.

Go post that in the No Planes Theory thread.

The OP video: there were no planes in it.

[kbeet]

i'm honestly not bothered about your sob story, people jumping from buildings and you seeing the jets. Not the thread for it.

Go post that in the No Planes Theory thread.

The OP video: there were no planes in it.

not the thread for no plaines theory?
they say in this thread it wasent plaines
look litle boy if i hapen to be posting it in this thread then this is the thread for it because i say it is so why dont you stop trying to look like a man till you grow up

[1776]

are you aware all new youk and me saw the first plaine lodged in the top of the first building.. are you aware over 10000 witnesses and me saw the 2nd plaine in flight then saw it hit the other building.. dont you think all of us know what a jet airliner looks like. i was right up close not far away like in those vedios or photos.. why am i trying to convince you people. i saw the first plaine hit the building.. i saw the 2nd plaine make a hard left and fly into the other building. i was not far away when they hit.. then people and i were told to go back. a guy at a pizza store made the first 911 call to report it.
just befor the 2nd plaine hit 10 minuts later.. they were jet plaines. they flew into the buildings. surf the net and get better footage..

I wish I could believe you, but your words aren't good enough for me.

I'm not saying you're lying, but I cannot take your words alone.

From all the footage I've seen from that day, most (if not all) of the "live" footage from Sept. 11th, 2001 was faked and the planes seen on those videos are fake. Whether or not real planes were used to strike the buildings is up for debate, and I'm open to all ideas. However, explosives were rigged in the Towers and Thermite/Thermate was used to take them down (this is proven by Science thanks to Richard Gage and others). I am only after the truth, as I hope you are.


Peace&Love
God bless

[kbeet]

I wish I could believe you, but your words aren't good enough for me.

I'm not saying you're lying, but I cannot take your words alone.

From all the footage I've seen from that day, most (if not all) of the "live" footage from Sept. 11th, 2001 was faked and the planes seen on those videos are fake. Whether or not real planes were used to strike the buildings is up for debate, and I'm open to all ideas. However, explosives were rigged in the Towers and Thermite/Thermate was used to take them down (this is proven by Science thanks to Richard Gage and others). I am only after the truth, as I hope you are.


Peace&Love
God bless

i was there when it happend.. i saw the plaines.. i looked right at them.

[1776]

i was there when it happend.. i saw the plaines.. i looked right at them.


You could be an agent or an Initiate of the Mystery Schools for all I know spreading dis-information across the web and abroad!

You can't believe anything at just face value. Sorry.


Peace&Love
God bless

[policestate]

not the thread for no plaines theory?
they say in this thread it wasent plaines
look litle boy if i hapen to be posting it in this thread then this is the thread for it because i say it is so why dont you stop trying to look like a man till you grow up

and how do you even know a thing about me? you can't make your opinion stick, so you choose personal insults. Maybe you might want to do a little growing up.

[bryan]

are you aware all new youk and me saw the first plaine lodged in the top of the first building..

I think you're getting mixed up with the plane that crashed into the Empire State Building in 1945.

[hadabusa]

i was there when it happend.. i saw the plaines.. i looked right at them.


ok, pops.

WHERE THE FUCK YOU BEEN STANDING WHEN YOU SAW IT?

street/avenue plz.

dont avoid this question like 3times already.

i dont wanna read essays about jumping ppl, burning people etc.


tell where you stood.

[hadabusa]

are you aware all new youk and me saw the first plaine lodged in the top of the first building.. .

literally?

[ultima1]

i was there when it happend.. i saw the plaines.. i looked right at them.


Where were you?

What did you see?

Could you tell what kind of plane it was?

Did you see any marks on the plane?

Did you see any parts of the plane?

[ultima1]

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/phixer6/911/FBI_Document.jpg?t=1276942889

[kbeet]

Where were you?

What did you see?

Could you tell what kind of plane it was?

Did you see any marks on the plane?

Did you see any parts of the plane?





lower 5th ave. the twin towers could not have been no more then 1/4 mile away

no i couldent tell

it was a blue and silver plaine
the plaine just behind the front wings was sticking out of the building

i allso saw the 2nd plaine i watched it fly into the other building.
the first plaing i only heard it hit the first bui
ding befor i looked up and saw it

same as the 10000 or more witnesses in new york saw
same as the news media saw. i am still looking for better footage to paste in here to show proof

[kbeet]

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa11.html
this link shows the plaine

http://kerrysdomain.net/images.jpg
look close at it and you will see the plaine hiting the building

[kbeet]

http://www.twin-towers.net/tt_video.htm
when you go to this link. scroll down to the very bottom of the page
to see plaine hiting building..

the site is filld with all the vedios and proof you need to proove there was plaines on 9/11

[onourway]

it's planes kerry..... P L A N E S

[kbeet]

it's planes kerry..... P L A N E S

im just a uneducated construction worker

[1776]

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/phixer6/911/FBI_Document.jpg?t=1276942889

Thanks for sharing this with us. More hard evidence supporting no real planes used to hit the targets.

im just a uneducated construction worker

You'd like us all to believe that, wouldn't you? :rolleyes:


Peace&Love
God bless

[hadabusa]

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/phixer6/911/FBI_Document.jpg?t=1276942889

oh snap

[hadabusa]

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa11.html
this link shows the plaine

http://kerrysdomain.net/images.jpg
look close at it and you will see the plaine hiting the building

dude,you realize this link claims its not planes?lol

[kbeet]

Thanks for sharing this with us. More hard evidence supporting no real planes used to hit the targets.



You'd like us all to believe that, wouldn't you? :rolleyes:


Peace&Love
God bless

what do you meen id like you all to believe that. dam whats it take i saw the dam plaines myself and i am a uneducated construction worker. and i make more money then you will with your degrees and schooling. how does 900 to 1000 dollors a week look to you.

[1776]

what do you meen id like you all to believe that. dam whats it take i saw the dam plaines myself and i am a uneducated construction worker. and i make more money then you will with your degrees and schooling. how does 900 to 1000 dollors a week look to you.

I have no degrees or formal schooling. Nope. Sorry, you're just assuming things and deflecting the attention from yourself onto me in an effort to sway popular opinion (your skills are juvenile and basic at best, I really hope you're not an Initiate or agent of sorts).

I doubt you saw anything, now. I can tell you something, though. I see right through you!


Peace&Love
God bless

[hadabusa]

how does 900 to 1000 dollors a week look to you.
chump change
:)

[hadabusa]

lower 5th ave. the twin towers could not have been no more then 1/4 mile away


thx, ill now direct this to nyc resident forum member real6.

see what he says about this.

[macgyver1968]

How do "no planers" account for all of the witnesses that saw the plane hit live?

How can all of the videos be fake, if many of them come from amateur photographers?

If planes didn't hit the WTC..then what in the hell made the holes in the side?

[policestate]

Please watch September Clues in my sig for answers to your questions.

Regards

[hadabusa]

How do "no planers" account for all of the witnesses that saw the plane hit live?

How can all of the videos be fake, if many of them come from amateur photographers?

If planes didn't hit the WTC..then what in the hell made the holes in the side?

the msm vids are from one original outlet.

amateur vids?

lol.
show me these "amateur vids"
:)

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/06/10/rutgers_scarlet_knight_AOV.jpg

just an example.

also...passenger plane?orly?

http://enigma911.110mb.com/aa11/aa11-1.jpg

???


and...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mjv-0TcTrhw/SMhnckCrE5I/AAAAAAAABKM/TAPxIYRWsrI/s400/plane1.bmp


some jetliners:D

[hadabusa]

How do "no planers" account for all of the witnesses that saw the plane hit live?

How can all of the videos be fake, if many of them come from amateur photographers?

If planes didn't hit the WTC..then what in the hell made the holes in the side?

yes, watch september clues indeed.

it doesnt claim to provide the truth, but it raises points wich sceptics cannot explain.

im a rather sceptical guy btw.

but youve seen the fbi document above?
you think the fbi lady is insane conspiracy kook?:)

[policestate]

quoting your broken image :)

--

also...passenger plane?orly?

http://enigma911.110mb.com/aa11/aa11-1.jpg

???

[macgyver1968]

I have watched September clues. It still doesn't answer my questions....and neither have y'all.

If the videos were faked, how can you explain videos like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GQy_EnmVwc

Did the NWO (aka "the perps") control every camera in lower Manhattan that day?

What about all the people who saw the plane crash live?

[macgyver1968]

but youve seen the fbi document above?
you think the fbi lady is insane conspiracy kook?:)

Yes, I've have seen the document, and the video that it references. What she said is true. You can't see the plane impact the Pentagon in the video, all you can see is the fireball.

[hadabusa]

quoting your broken image :)

--

this pic is kinda interesting bc, despite being blurry(you dont get much cam exposure time when photographing missiles:D), it makes me wonder how tall that pole mast was.

767 is 50meters long.

so,that antenna was like,uh,100meters plus?

360feet,apparently, does this add up?


i think not.

[hadabusa]

Yes, I've have seen the document, and the video that it references. What she said is true. You can't see the plane impact the Pentagon in the video, all you can see is the fireball.

i dont think youve seen the video shes seen.



show me a link where i can watch this arlington hotel cctv footage,plz.

[macgyver1968]

I'm curious as to why you posted an image of the "Scarlet knight".

It's only 8 feet long...what does that have to do with "no planes"

http://www.robotsnob.com/pictures/rui1_deck.jpg

[macgyver1968]

i dont think youve seen the video shes seen.



show me a link where i can watch this arlington hotel cctv footage,plz.

I'll have to find the link, but it shows a distant view of the Pentagon from the other side opposite of the impact. All it shows is the fireball the plane created.

[hadabusa]

I have watched September clues. It still doesn't answer my questions....and neither have y'all.

If the videos were faked, how can you explain videos like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GQy_EnmVwc

Did the NWO (aka "the perps") control every camera in lower Manhattan that day?

What about all the people who saw the plane crash live?

hey,ya joker, have you read the comments section 4this vid?:)

do yourself the favour:)

[macgyver1968]

i dont think youve seen the video shes seen.



show me a link where i can watch this arlington hotel cctv footage,plz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H285_DWX_bQ

No plane..just a fireball.

[macgyver1968]

hey,ya joker, have you read the comments section 4this vid?:)

do yourself the favour:)

What do Youtube comments have to do with the veracity of the video? You asked for amateur video...I provided one. How did the "perps" fake all of the videos from everyone?

[hadabusa]

I'm curious as to why you posted an image of the "Scarlet knight".

It's only 8 feet long...what does that have to do with "no planes"

http://www.robotsnob.com/pictures/rui1_deck.jpg

as example,as stated.theres plane shaped missiles of lot bigger size.

besides, september clues isnt my religion or anything, i dont care it leaves questions unanswered4you.
i appreciate the questions it raised.

the nose out is one huge fiasco, a major punch into official footage face.

oh,and yes,i seen september clues busted<pathetic:)

[hadabusa]

What do Youtube comments have to do with the veracity of the video? You asked for amateur video...I provided one. How did the "perps" fake all of the videos from everyone?

wether thats amateur vid or not isnt important.

however,if its indeed footage wo govt shenanigans/tampering, its very bad for your point.

thats no AA jet.

[hadabusa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H285_DWX_bQ

No plane..just a fireball.

hm, albeit 30fps footage, youd think there gotta be 1frame where a plane can be seen.

you think fbi conclusion was made upon viewing youtube vid or cctv frame by frame investigation?

the fbi arent daft.

[macgyver1968]

as example,as stated.theres plane shaped missiles of lot bigger size.

besides, september clues isnt my religion or anything, i dont care it leaves questions unanswered4you.
i appreciate the questions it raised.

the nose out is one huge fiasco, a major punch into official footage face.

oh,and yes,i seen september clues busted<pathetic:)

Please name one plane shaped missile that is even close to the size of a 757/767.

The largest I could find is this:
cruise missile (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.wingweb.co.uk/wingweb/img/450-AGM-129A_Cruise_missile.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.wingweb.co.uk/missiles/AGM-129A.html&usg=__xFyvhaU68p68tj_ismgJ1NJ7N2s=&h=299&w=450&sz=19&hl=en&start=15&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=i1oMT6A2ARsnOM:&tbnh=84&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcruise%2Bmissile%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%2 6safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D8lo%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26tbs%3Disch:1)

It's only 20 feet long. How does that compare with a jet liner that is 150 feet in length?

[macgyver1968]

wether thats amateur vid or not isnt important.

however,if its indeed footage wo govt shenanigans/tampering, its very bad for your point.

thats no AA jet.

How is proof that the video is fake? You asked for amateur footage...and I provided it. It is important, as the theory claims that all footage of the impact is "video fakery". I'm asking how you fake videos that were filmed by amateurs? I don't understand how you can draw the conclusion that it's not an AA jet.

[choice]

Kbeet

This clip is for you:
Magic Tricks : The Disappearing Magic Card Trick - YouTube

Moral of the story: you can't always believe what you see.

[macgyver1968]

hm, albeit 30fps footage, youd think there gotta be 1frame where a plane can be seen.

you think fbi conclusion was made upon viewing youtube vid or cctv frame by frame investigation?

the fbi arent daft.

I'm not an FBI agent. From what I see in the video, no plane is visible, as the Pentagon is obstructing the view. That is what the agent said...no plane was visible from the footage..it doesn't mean no plane hit the Pentagon.

[hadabusa]

How is proof that the video is fake? You asked for amateur footage...and I provided it. It is important, as the theory claims that all footage of the impact is "video fakery". I'm asking how you fake videos that were filmed by amateurs? I don't understand how you can draw the conclusion that it's not an AA jet.

look, i say that vid is untampered.

i never,ever said all footage is fakery, told you september clues isnt my religion.

read the comments section , really, please do.

[macgyver1968]

look, i say that vid is untampered.

i never,ever said all footage is fakery, told you september clues isnt my religion.

read the comments section , really, please do.

So what do you believe happened on 9/11? Did planes hit the WTC and the Pentagon or not? If not, what caused the damage in both places?

Video evidence is not all there is...there is radar that tracks the planes to where they hit...there is DNA evidence of the passengers that were on the planes..there is plane wreckage evidence that proves a plane hit in all 4 places. There is eyewitness testimony of the planes impact.

What theory can you propose that fits all of the known facts of the day?

[hadabusa]

I'm not an FBI agent. From what I see in the video, no plane is visible, as the Pentagon is obstructing the view. That is what the agent said...no plane was visible from the footage..it doesn't mean no plane hit the Pentagon.

thats a very biased pov.


you think fbi opens case file to state pentagon is obstructing the view?lol

if she meant2say pentagon is obstructing the view, shed have said so.

pentagon obstructing view, thats YOUR interpretation , and frankly, you got quite carried away here(crossed low aiming propaganda territory imo).

thats as if id talk for her and claim that i know EXACTLY what she meant.

i dont.

plz dont do this jref bullshit stunt stuff here.it doesnt do you any good.

[macgyver1968]

thats a very biased pov.


you think fbi opens case file to state pentagon is obstructing the view?lol

if she meant2say pentagon is obstructing the view, shed have said so.

pentagon obstructing view, thats YOUR interpretation , and frankly, you got quite carried away here(crossed low aiming propaganda territory imo).

thats as if id talk for her and claim that i know EXACTLY what she meant.

i dont.

plz dont do this jref bullshit stunt stuff here.it doesnt do you any good.

I'm biased to logic, science and reason. What do you believe caused the damage at the WTC and Pentagon?

Please show me what frame of that video shows a plane. The Pentagon is in the way...that no interpretation...that's just what is shown in that particular video.

[hadabusa]

So what do you believe happened on 9/11? Did planes hit the WTC and the Pentagon or not? If not, what caused the damage in both places?

something hit the wtc.there were non 767 engines found(planted).

the nothing hit wtc stuff is ridicolous,no question.

now, pentagon...

please, hand on heart and watch this

911 Pentagon Footage Fraud - See the MISSING FOOTAGE! - YouTube

i mean, pleeeaaaase.
:)

and this

Pentagon hit by missile - YouTube

this mustnt mean anything,but damnit,a weirdweird slip.

[onourway]

I think you're getting mixed up with the plane that crashed into the Empire State Building in 1945.

bryan.....I think you hit the nail on the head....
....right up there with Dubya seeing the first plane

[macgyver1968]

something hit the wtc.there were non 767 engines found(planted).

the nothing hit wtc stuff is ridicolous,no question.

now, pentagon...

please, hand on heart and watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnzh-EyxKwc

i mean, pleeeaaaase.
:)

and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX01twhfUK4

this mustnt mean anything,but damnit,a weirdweird slip.

hadabusa,

I am enjoying this discussion, but lets just stick with one topic. If it is ok with you, let's discuss WTC. We can discuss the pentagon later. I asked you a very clear question, which you have not answered. Do you believe planes struck the WTC, and if not, what did cause the damage to the towers?

Thanks,

[hadabusa]

So what do you believe happened on 9/11? Did planes hit the WTC and the Pentagon or not? If not, what caused the damage in both places?

Video evidence is not all there is...there is radar that tracks the planes to where they hit...there is DNA evidence of the passengers that were on the planes..there is plane wreckage evidence that proves a plane hit in all 4 places. There is eyewitness testimony of the planes impact.

What theory can you propose that fits all of the known facts of the day?

good you mention dna.

because.....

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


listen from 2:55 up.

i will not ask you to explain that to me, bc it cant be.

[macgyver1968]

good you mention dna.

because.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WULRQCgvsdE


listen from 2:55 up.

i will not ask you to explain that to me, bc it cant be.

How does a radio interview constitute evidence? People boarded the planes that morning, and didn't come home. Pieces of them were found at all 4 locations and confirmed by DNA evidence.

[hadabusa]

hadabusa,

I am enjoying this discussion, but lets just stick with one topic. If it is ok with you, let's discuss WTC. We can discuss the pentagon later. I asked you a very clear question, which you have not answered. Do you believe planes struck the WTC, and if not, what did cause the damage to the towers?

Thanks,

im enjoying it too.
im not trying to "debunk"/discredit you,i hope you realize this.
im enjoying the reasonable dialogue:cool:

i left out wtc dmg so far because i tought its off "no planes"topic and takes long to express my lowly opinion.
:D

ok,now, as previously said, i think something hit wtc , , likely missiles(imo).
im not saying i know4sure.

as for damage caused, i care not if/who will call me insane/kook, these 3wtc building were controlled demolitions.

wtc towers consisted of 3separate blocks(ok this couldbe disinfo,plz dont ask4source i cant remember), i dont see how the2 lower blocks could collapse from weight of highest block.

but apart from that, im basing my opinion on wtc collapse mainly on an interview done by european tv network where they showed 911 footage to demolition experts/engineers from demolition companies.
man, these guys almost burst out in laughter about how anyone could claim this wasnt controlled demolitions .

[hadabusa]

How does a radio interview constitute evidence? People boarded the planes that morning, and didn't come home. Pieces of them were found at all 4 locations and confirmed by DNA evidence.

how does a press statement constitute to evidence?

indeed, no1came home, that was done properly.

man, im talking about the dna of the hijackers, to what dna pool did they compare that dna?

i mean, were the terrorists(some still alive)in fbi database?

this is impossible.

[onourway]

im just a uneducated construction worker

well beetmeister.....your really crappy spelling and grammar combined with your problematic "eyewitness" account rings many bells and flashes several red lights. Are you really that uneducated that you can't spell "planes"??..... and as bryan pointed out...what's up with this half a plane sticking out of the tower???
....dude if you are genuine and honest in what you THOUGHT you saw then I apologize about my spelling remarks......if you are not ...then what is your agenda....it's just kinda different......eyewitness construction worker that spells like crap.... sheeeez

p.s.......don't really want to hear any defences about the SP
.....this is some pretty bad sh*t
edit....as in it almost seems intentional..... as in I'm just a working man....dang evil terrists......blah blah blah

[hadabusa]

Video evidence is not all there is...there is radar that tracks the planes to where they hit...there is DNA evidence of the passengers that were on the planes..there is plane wreckage evidence that proves a plane hit in all 4 places. There is eyewitness testimony of the planes impact.



oh, radar tracking?but no usmc fighter jets to catch the airliners?
phew, good thing they got the radar tracking?but where is it?id like to have a sneak view:D

dna i adressed above.

wreckage, as said, engines from not 767 found, its interesting.

eyewitness?
the ones on msm?most msm employees.like asking a murder2tell about his crimes.


theres also eyewitnesses saying missiles, its all relative.

and hard to see from ground in nyc(been there pre 911).

[macgyver1968]

im enjoying it too.
im not trying to "debunk"/discredit you,i hope you realize this.
im enjoying the reasonable dialogue:cool:

i left out wtc dmg so far because i tought its off "no planes"topic and takes long to express my lowly opinion.
:D

ok,now, as previously said, i think something hit wtc , , likely missiles(imo).
im not saying i know4sure.

as for damage caused, i care not if/who will call me insane/kook, these 3wtc building were controlled demolitions.

wtc towers consisted of 3separate blocks(ok this couldbe disinfo,plz dont ask4source i cant remember), i dont see how the2 lower blocks could collapse from weight of highest block.

but apart from that, im basing my opinion on wtc collapse mainly on an interview done by european tv network where they showed 911 footage to demolition experts/engineers from demolition companies.
man, these guys almost burst out in laughter about how anyone could claim this wasnt controlled demolitions .

The tower consisted of a "tube within a tube" design. A inter tube of core columns, and an outer tube of perimeter columns, connected by long span floor joists. The point of the design was to create as much rentable space without the need for internal columns. The entire lower part of the tower did not collapse at one time. It happened one floor at a time. When you drop 20 floors of mass on one floor, the floor fails...then drops, then hits the next floor with 21 floors of mass...then hits the next floor with 22 floors of mass.and so on ..and so on..

That is why it's called a progressive collapse. It happens one floor at a time.

[hadabusa]

well beetmeister.....your really crappy spelling and grammar combined with your problematic "eyewitness" account rings many bells and flashes several red lights. Are you really that uneducated that you can't spell "planes"??..... and as bryan pointed out...what's up with this half a plane sticking out of the tower???
....dude if you are genuine and honest in what you THOUGHT you saw then I apologize about my spelling remarks......if you are not ...then what is your agenda....it's just kinda different......eyewitness construction worker that spells like crap.... sheeeez

p.s.......don't really want to hear any defences about the SP
.....this is some pretty bad sh*t

you know, when he says no PLAINES hit towers, he can claim hes not lying.


can some1 find&post pics from nyc 5th avenue quartermile away from wtc(on ground).?

id like2see the outlook/panorama.

[macgyver1968]

how does a press statement constitute to evidence?

indeed, no1came home, that was done properly.

man, im talking about the dna of the hijackers, to what dna pool did they compare that dna?

i mean, were the terrorists(some still alive)in fbi database?

this is impossible.

I'm talking about the DNA of the passengers, which was confirmed by testing. Please provide proof that the terrorists were still alive, and not some dude with the same name.

[choice]

I'm talking about the DNA of the passengers, which was confirmed by testing.

But there was dust everywhere :( How could they gather any corpses for dna?
Except if...

Go on you 2 thou, interesting so far. :)

[hadabusa]

The tower consisted of a "tube within a tube" design. A inter tube of core columns, and an outer tube of perimeter columns, connected by long span floor joists. The point of the design was to create as much rentable space without the need for internal columns. The entire lower part of the tower did not collapse at one time. It happened one floor at a time. When you drop 20 floors of mass on one floor, the floor fails...then drops, then hits the next floor with 21 floors of mass...then hits the next floor with 22 floors of mass.and so on ..and so on..

That is why it's called a progressive collapse. It happens one floor at a time.

im aware of vertical structure.
i meant the horizontal structure ,but i know what youre saying, enough floors from above will crush the lower ones, no matter if its separate blocks.

tough, designer said its constructed to withstand plane impacts(as happened before in ESB).

its reasonable to listen to govt in such cases, outright dismissal is dumb.
but try to hear independent professional sources(like european demolition engineers)too.

i mean, the freaking japanese(!) PARLIAMENT says theres something way wrong with 911.

ofc theres idiotic 911truthers&they all cant be right.

but the japanese parliament isnt retarded.

neither is italian intelligence agent who stated in msm, it was inside job&all intelligence agencys know this.

these ppl arent kooks&certainly got better sources then you&me.

[macgyver1968]

But there was dust everywhere :( How could they gather any corpses for dna?
Except if...

Go on you 2 thou, interesting so far. :)

Because some of the unfortunate soul's parts were blown out the opposite side of the building, and ended up in the streets.

[choice]

Because some of the unfortunate soul's parts were blown out the opposite side of the building, and ended up in the streets.

I understand, but i kinda doubt it. You go in a plane, you crash inside a building, and your foot is supposed to pass the plane and building structures, a explosion/fire, then the buildings collapse on it, and still that foot lands on the sidewalk of the street?
It sounds a bit "Mission Impossible"... and yet they found the remains of all corpses. A bit suspicious in my opinion...

[hadabusa]

I'm talking about the DNA of the passengers, which was confirmed by testing. Please provide proof that the terrorists were still alive, and not some dude with the same name.

so the passengers were in a dna pool?or just some?

they mustve been,right?

im not even asking from where they took probes(ash?), im asking to what data it was compared.

and to what data terrorist dna been compared.


man, the terrorist hadnt just same name, they had same faces.lol.


ok, this could be explained with identity theft,a common intelligence agencys shenanigan:)

[policestate]

Ok on Google Maps

From 5th Avenue to WTC is 12minutes driving distance.

But for fairness, whats the closest point on this map that could be "5th avenue"

LINK TO GOOGLE MAPS ROUTE (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=5th+Ave,+New+York,+United+States&daddr=World+Trade+Center,+New+York,+NY,+United+Sta tes&hl=en&geocode=FVvdbQId3gqX-ynxbopKr1nCiTHc5IR1CpHp2Q%3BFXM6bQIdGKaW-yHFx8V2-MJQmSnTg_hmGVrCiTFYUDsb90XUSA&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=40.766242,-73.962021&sspn=0.138073,0.220757&ie=UTF8&t=f&z=13&ecpose=40.734085,-73.99926,8071.47,-151.863,0,0)

[macgyver1968]

im aware of vertical structure.
i meant the horizontal structure ,but i know what youre saying, enough floors from above will crush the lower ones, no matter if its separate blocks.

tough, designer said its constructed to withstand plane impacts(as happened before in ESB).

its reasonable to listen to govt in such cases, outright dismissal is dumb.
but try to hear independent professional sources(like european demolition engineers)too.

i mean, the freaking japanese(!) PARLIAMENT says theres something way wrong with 911.

ofc theres idiotic 911truthers&they all cant be right.

but the japanese parliament isnt retarded.

neither is italian intelligence agent who stated in msm, it was inside job&all intelligence agencys know this.

these ppl arent kooks&certainly got better sources then you&me.

Then why aren't MIT or Stanford engineering students making a big hub-bub about the collapse? (like they did with the problems with "ringworld") Why aren't all of the engineers, and demolition experts speaking up?

You said the Japanese parliament said "there's something wrong with 9/11"..what exactly is wrong? and could you provide a source for this.

It's not that representatives are a definitive source of information. Hell...Congressman Hank Johnson recently expressed concerns that island of Guam would capsize due to overpopulation. http://washingtonscene.thehill.com/in-the-know/36-news/3169-rep-hank-johnson-guam-could-tip-over-and-capsize

If you are going to make claims...please provide a source.

[hadabusa]

Because some of the unfortunate soul's parts were blown out the opposite side of the building, and ended up in the streets.

now youre guessing and play the "poor victims" card.
lets refrain from doing that, bc ppl will bring up the 1million dead iraqi civilians or something,lol.

[hadabusa]

Ok on Google Maps

From 5th Avenue to WTC is 18minutes driving distance.

But for fairness, whats the closest point on this map that could be "5th avenue"

nono, he said lower 5th ave, is that about a quartermile?

and a pic from ground towards wtc, thatd be nice.

[hadabusa]

Then why aren't MIT or Stanford engineering students making a big hub-bub about the collapse? (like they did with the problems with "ringworld") Why aren't all of the engineers, and demolition experts speaking up?

You said the Japanese parliament said "there's something wrong with 9/11"..what exactly is wrong? and could you provide a source for this.

It's not that representatives are a definitive source of information. Hell...Congressman Hank Johnson recently expressed concerns that island of Guam would capsize due to overpopulation. http://washingtonscene.thehill.com/in-the-know/36-news/3169-rep-hank-johnson-guam-could-tip-over-and-capsize

If you are going to make claims...please provide a source.

lol, buddie:D

comeon hank johnson,lolol.:D

look, theyre not talking about capsizing guams,lol.

Japanese Parliament questions 9/11 Official Story - part 1 - YouTube

youre welcome, i know translated footage is appreciated*origato*:D

[macgyver1968]

now youre guessing and play the "poor victims" card.
lets refrain from doing that, bc ppl will bring up the 1million dead iraqi civilians or something,lol.

1 million dead Iraqi civilians have nothing to do with 9/11. We didn't invade Iraq because of 9/11..we invaded Iraq because of the lie of WMD's. We invaded Afghanistan for revenge of 9/11...please keep your invasions of sovereign countries straight. :)

[hadabusa]

Then why aren't MIT or Stanford engineering students making a big hub-bub about the collapse? (like they did with the problems with "ringworld") Why aren't all of the engineers, and demolition experts speaking up?

You said the Japanese parliament said "there's something wrong with 9/11"..what exactly is wrong? and could you provide a source for this.

It's not that representatives are a definitive source of information. Hell...Congressman Hank Johnson recently expressed concerns that island of Guam would capsize due to overpopulation. http://washingtonscene.thehill.com/in-the-know/36-news/3169-rep-hank-johnson-guam-could-tip-over-and-capsize

If you are going to make claims...please provide a source.

to adress the other points.

why is norman finkelstein restricted from most unis for speeches?

besides, theres a movement "engineers4 911 truth" or something, 2000ppl i think, thats about as much members as global warming council(whom arent scientists mostly btw).

thats better then mere students.

ah damnit,ill try to find vid of that euro demolition expert.

[hadabusa]

1 million dead Iraqi civilians have nothing to do with 9/11. We didn't invade Iraq because of 9/11..we invaded Iraq because of the lie of WMD's. We invaded Afghanistan for revenge of 9/11...please keep your invasions of sovereign countries straight. :)

i was sarcastic, hence "some ppl" and "or something":D

to be clear, lets keep emotional argumentation out of it.
my dog died of cancer, very sad, but no point patronising.


wmd wasnt really lie imo, i mean , usa sold them to saddam previously:D

[policestate]

i don't know where "lower 5th avenue" is, nor does google maps.

But if you check the link, its pretty far away. i'm trying to be fair here, because i don't know where 5th Ave would end.

[hadabusa]

unrelated notice, thread went from 900to1600views since page 7

:cool:

[hadabusa]

i don't know where "lower 5th avenue" is, nor does google maps.

But if you check the link, its pretty far away. i'm trying to be fair here, because i don't know where 5th Ave would end.

well, look at 5th ave, then go to nearer to wtc end.

and let us know distance plz, i cant,my pos pc has javascript issues,sorry4asking ur time.

our pops whos a 70yr old active construction worker also has super strong hawklike eyes, he can see a plane tail from a quartermile away, AND 1000feet up there.


is his alleged position even consistent with impact side?:)

[policestate]

OK no worries! :)

from what google maps says, its 12 minutes drive, not 18. sorry. but its far, not in eye shot. but i'm only going by what i see on there.

pic coming up

[hadabusa]

OK no worries! :)

from what google maps says, its 12 minutes drive, not 18. sorry. but its far, not in eye shot. but i'm only going by what i see on there.

pic coming up

you sure?nearest 5th ave point to wtc isa 12min drive?:):D

damn,his eyes are better then i tought, he should replace that shitty 800million usd nasa telescope:D

whats distance ,tough?

12min drive is bit vague:cool:

[onourway]

you know, when he says no PLAINES hit towers, he can claim hes not lying.


can some1 find&post pics from nyc 5th avenue quartermile away from wtc(on ground).?

id like2see the outlook/panorama.

reminds me of those weird bananas.....plantains

[onourway]

This is what makes life interesting......it takes all f*cking kinds

[policestate]

after some calculations -- this is the end of 5th avenue. at Greenwich Village.

according to Google Maps - This is 7minutes drive at 1.8 miles.

View from Greenwich Village in teh line of sight of towers.

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/8462/18miles.jpg

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/8462/18miles.jpg


(Please note, Twin Towers can not be found on that site, only Ground Zero.. Oddly. So the tower estimation including visible height can not be shown.)

[hadabusa]

after some calculations -- this is the end of 5th avenue. at Greenwich Village.

according to Google Maps - This is 7minutes drive at 1.8 miles.

View from Greenwich Village in teh line of sight of towers.

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/8462/18miles.jpg

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/8462/18miles.jpg


(Please note, Twin Towers can not be found on that site, only Ground Zero.. Oddly. So the tower estimation including visible height can not be shown.)

lol, thats good enough.

:)

thanks4effort.

ok, i got an announcement to make

...

kbeet, youre full of bullshit, toilets wouldbe jealous of you.


:D

[noewhan]

Illuminazi 6/9

Fast forward to 5:50, for the interview with Ted Gunderson about the WTC bombing in 1993, the Oklahoma city bombing and the 2nd attack on the WTC on 9/11.

More on Ted (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76257&highlight=Ted+Gunderson)

[kbeet]

lol, thats good enough.

:)

thanks4effort.

ok, i got an announcement to make

...

kbeet, youre full of bullshit, toilets wouldbe jealous of you.


:D

did you ever stop to think that the towers are not there no more and would not show up in google maps.. go back in the bathroom and get your braines

[hadabusa]

did you ever stop to think that the towers are not there no more and would not show up in google maps.. go back in the bathroom and get your braines

oh look, its the reincarnated grimm brothers:D

"braines":D

hey, your laser sharp eyes, when you look really concentrated, is this the vision you get?

http://www.geschichteinchronologie.ch/USA/betrug/filmprotokol01-Loose-Change-2-d/011-FEMA-WTC-im-fadenkreuz-1997.jpg

[policestate]

You obviously haven't heard of Google Earth's history then, you dim fuck.

[kbeet]

You obviously haven't heard of Google Earth's history then, you dim fuck.

i dident start the name calling but if thats what you want you and the rest of you got to be some pretty dum fiks to try and feed this bullshit that there were no plaines when all those witnesses saw them plain parts were found in the rubble the tail of a plain in the first building was seen by me and by all new york. and by all the news media. theres proof and eye witnesses why dont you and the other morons take your stupid no plaines conspiracy on a hike up river and start a noch less conspiracy.. to start somthing like this is stupid anyway but you will never get anyone to belive your crap

[coco]

what do you meen id like you all to believe that. dam whats it take i saw the dam plaines myself and i am a uneducated construction worker. and i make more money then you will with your degrees and schooling. how does 900 to 1000 dollors a week look to you.

If you live in NYC or the surrounding area working a trade I suggest you speak to your steward immediately about a raise in wage!

$900-$1000 is good money/week -- but not in NYC or the surrounding area for a union man -- and if you work a trade in that area of the country you are a union man.

What is your trade? What's your local's name? I'm not asking for your personal information BTW.


Next.

[hadabusa]

i dident start the name calling but if thats what you want you and the rest of you got to be some pretty dum fiks to try and feed this bullshit that there were no plaines when all those witnesses saw them plain parts were found in the rubble the tail of a plain in the first building was seen by me and by all new york. and by all the news media. theres proof and eye witnesses why dont you and the other morons take your stupid no plaines conspiracy on a hike up river and start a noch less conspiracy.. to start somthing like this is stupid anyway but you will never get anyone to belive your crap

look,u believe in god, most wont take lessons from godbelievers, thats sooo old testament .

yawn.

btw, the most ridicolous conspiracy theory is the bible btw, flying red horses.wow.


lets assume4a second 911 wasnt insidejob, then thisd apply:

"science makes us fly2outter space, religion makes us fly into skyscrapers"

amen:cool:


btw,none of the (fake)footage showed tails hanging outta buildings,none.


only "nose out!" i clearly remember.


and you dont see tail from 2miles away.lol.

[hadabusa]

If you live in NYC or the surrounding area working a trade I suggest you speak to your steward immediately about a raise in wage!

$900-$1000 is good money/week -- but not in NYC or the surrounding area for a union man -- and if you work a trade in that area of the country you are a union man.

What is your trade? What's your local's name? I'm not asking for your personal information BTW.


Next.

hes also 70.

and supergood eyevision.

:)

[policestate]

i dident start the name calling but if thats what you want you and the rest of you got to be some pretty dum fiks to try and feed this bullshit that there were no plaines when all those witnesses saw them plain parts were found in the rubble the tail of a plain in the first building was seen by me and by all new york. and by all the news media. theres proof and eye witnesses why dont you and the other morons take your stupid no plaines conspiracy on a hike up river and start a noch less conspiracy.. to start somthing like this is stupid anyway but you will never get anyone to belive your crap

yes you did. you said i was brainless little boy.. baseless conjecture...

balls to this

[coco]

hes also 70.

and supergood eyevision.

:)


Well, to be objective I knew a man in his 70's (Charlie D.) with good vision and health who flew a single engine airplane for pleasure, he had to pass an annual physical examination in order to keep his pilot's license. He is no longer with us.

And...

It is possible for a man of such an age to retain his physical abilities to work in construction (rare, but it has been done), but construction isn't always all about hard, physically demanding labor.

I question the veracity of this man's vocational claims, thus leading to the veracity of his overall claims of witnessing the planes crash that day. There have not been a great number to step forward and make such a claim in my admittedly limited experience.

For the record, I am a 'planer'. But I am not so sure that the planes were occupied. Further, I am convinced it was not airplanes that brought down the buildings.

But that's another thread.

My interest is in this person's claims and the veracity of such.

You're right, our friend Real6 would be an excellent consultant on the planes issue as well as the poster's vocational/wage claims.

[hadabusa]

Well, to be objective I knew a man in his 70's (Charlie D.) with good vision and health who flew a single engine airplane for pleasure, he had to pass an annual physical examination in order to keep his pilot's license. He is no longer with us.

And...

It is possible for a man of such an age to retain his physical abilities to work in construction (rare, but it has been done), but construction isn't always all about hard, physically demanding labor.

I question the veracity of this man's vocational claims, thus leading to the veracity of his overall claims of witnessing the planes crash that day. There have not been a great number to step forward and make such a claim in my admittedly limited experience.

For the record, I am a 'planer'. But I am not so sure that the planes were occupied. Further, I am convinced it was not airplanes that brought down the buildings.

But that's another thread.

My interest is in this person's claims and the veracity of such.

You're right, our friend Real6 would be an excellent consultant on the planes issue as well as the poster's vocational/wage claims.

seen this,tough?

911 Pentagon Footage Fraud - See the MISSING FOOTAGE! - YouTube

:confused:

[cathar]

@coco....i wouln't even bother posting on this thread,,,the "no planers" are just wasting
the time of people with common sense & brains....the no planers are in the same confused catigory of ignorant numbskulls who think Alex Jones is a shill...most of them were probanly under the age of 14 when 911 happened...they grew up watching cartoons on TV instead of living in the real world...plwns ,,no plans ...it's a distration...IMO.....

[cathar]

The one good thing about this thread is you can identify the Icke Forum[village] IDIOTS...by noting if they are no planers...

[policestate]

I'm asking a mod to close this thread.

It has descended into baseless name calling.

[cathar]

I'm asking a mod to close this thread.

It has descended into baseless name calling.

THat's a very good idea MISS SH*T F*R BR**NS.....:eek::eek::eek::)

[coco]

seen this,tough?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnzh-EyxKwc&feature=player_embedded

:confused:

I apologize, I did not explain myself properly. I am a 'planer' when it comes to the Twin Towers, though I am suspect they were actually occupied.

In reference to the Pentagon, a blind man could see from the initial, perfect hole that a puncturing 'object' was used in that event. I believe it to be a missle.

Very good video. Kudos to the investigator.

Cathar, I have to agree with you, but I am not here to debate with the 'no planers'. I question the veracity of Kbleets' testimony based upon his blantant boasts of things unrelated to that awful day. That is my only intention in this thread.

[macgyver1968]

I'm asking a mod to close this thread.

It has descended into baseless name calling.

What if we ascend to base-full name calling? :)

Without answering "watch September Clues"....how do "no planers" account for all of the people who saw the planes hit live, with their own eyes?