Who Built The Moon

[_tzupidity]

I just read it and I am not best pleased. What a fucking joke of a book. And it took two of them to write it?!

The only 'evidence' I saw for the moon being artificial was the fact noone can explain how it was made and the spooky synchronicities in the measurements between the Earth, Sun and Moon.

That wasn't what annoyed me the most though, no. All the way through I'm reading this repeated waffle and thinking, "Just tell me who built the fucking moon."

Eventually they did. We built the moon. God didn't because he doesn't exist. The aliens didn't because they live too far away. So that obviously means that our future selves travel back in time to create the moon that will lead to our own development and provide a message to remind us that we need to also do it this time round because we're stuck in the same time loop the star ship enterprise got stuck in on TNG and lead to Orbital sampling Worf at the begining of their track 'Mobius'.

Oh fuck off.

Did anyone else read it and have a different experience?

[dontbeafraid]

I didnt read it yet. I am waiting for someone who doesnt want their copy. Is yours clean and not dogeared or stained?

[ironwood7]

I read a book of 'mythology' at one time when I was a boy about ancient stories of The Wanderer, the moon seemed to very slowly approach the earth and locked itself into our orbit. I remember how it told of how the Gods went mad, the earth went into a period of eccentricity and tore the world asunder. Interesting story but it always remained in my mind because the moon does not rotate around its own axis. I have always thought that most probably the moon had traveled such a great distance that it lost all rotation and just traveled toward an unknown destination and happened to lock itself into our orbit. However, womens cycles are timed to the moon and I wonder if that in some way changed our total personal structure through time. I did not read David's book so this may be an irrelevent post but if anyone else has information concerning Ancient lore of The Wanderer I would really like to see it.

[cosmo1]

I read it and found it interesting for the fact that i learnt a lot of new things - most now forgotten :o; but have to confess, didn't finish it.

When people start theorising too much i lose interest i'm afraid.

[21_12_2012]

Interesting story but it always remained in my mind because the moon does not rotate around its own axis.

It does.

It spins on its own axis exactly once per orbit of the Earth (lunar month), which is why we only see the same part of the moon.

If it didn't spin on its own axis that one time per lunar month, we would see all around the moon.

Think about it.

[agrael]

look up alex collier - he says and there are some videos arround the forums where it states that the moon was brought from anoter star sistem , etc. Its older than Earth.

[free_thinker]

All the way through I'm reading this repeated waffle and thinking, "Just tell me who built the fucking moon."


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[jonahmc]

Who built the Moon?

The Klangers

[truth seeker 09]

look up alex collier - he says and there are some videos arround the forums where it states that the moon was brought from anoter star sistem , etc. Its older than Earth.

Here's some info about the Moon from contactee Alex Collier:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1058929998#post1058929998

[ironwood7]

It does.

It spins on its own axis exactly once per orbit of the Earth (lunar month), which is why we only see the same part of the moon.

If it didn't spin on its own axis that one time per lunar month, we would see all around the moon.

Think about it.

Like I said I was a boy when I ran into the thought of 'The Wanderer'. Here is a website that agrees with your explanation and a counter point that says it does not.

http://www.grantchronicles.com/astro29.htm

I looked at the reference to Alex Collier and all I can say is if you are going to make assumptions about history that ancient who could possibly have records unless it is part of Folk Lore. Folk Lore can only exist, even as an analogy, if it has some basis in truth. Truth seems to Ring in your heart not in your mind and a lie always hits the floor and goes thud. Just listen to all the USA political rhetoric and you tell me what walks and what talks. Thank you for answering and I will follow this conversation for further information

[nirvana]

I just read it and I am not best pleased. What a fucking joke of a book. And it took two of them to write it?!

The only 'evidence' I saw for the moon being artificial was the fact noone can explain how it was made and the spooky synchronicities in the measurements between the Earth, Sun and Moon.

That wasn't what annoyed me the most though, no. All the way through I'm reading this repeated waffle and thinking, "Just tell me who built the fucking moon."

Eventually they did. We built the moon. God didn't because he doesn't exist. The aliens didn't because they live too far away. So that obviously means that our future selves travel back in time to create the moon that will lead to our own development and provide a message to remind us that we need to also do it this time round because we're stuck in the same time loop the star ship enterprise got stuck in on TNG and lead to Orbital sampling Worf at the begining of their track 'Mobius'.

Oh fuck off.

Did anyone else read it and have a different experience?

No i did not bother buying this book. I think icke has got lost down the rabbit hole and If your not careful he get you lost aswell.

[_tzupidity]

I didnt read it yet. I am waiting for someone who doesnt want their copy. Is yours clean and not dogeared or stained?

We're not all intellectual heathens on here y'know :p

No i did not bother buying this book. I think icke has got lost down the rabbit hole and If your not careful he get you lost aswell.

He (or anyone else) can only lead those astray that are willing. I think there's a lot to be said for the theory that people falling out of organised religions and beliefs find themselves in a PTSD state and their need for that structured belief means they'll follow pretty much anyone and anything to feel balanced again.
All but the stupid eventually realise and to be fair, if Icke wants to take all the stupid people to the moon then good on him, at least they'll be out of my way :D

[juttkeys]

Yeah I read it a couple of months ago, some interesting facts in it though and how they got the megolithic yard using the passage of venus 366 degrees etc but the end conclusion was a let down, too big a leap of faith for me, they would have been better letting the reader find their own conclusions and made the book shorter, (and thus probably giving it a different title) , almost as if they were clutching at straws for a resolve which they neednt have done, for the most part i enjoyed reading it though.

[_tzupidity]

Yeah I read it a couple of months ago, some interesting facts in it though and how they got the megolithic yard using the passage of venus 366 degrees etc but the end conclusion was a let down, too big a leap of faith for me, they would have been better letting the reader find their own conclusions and made the book shorter, (and thus probably giving it a different title) , almost as if they were clutching at straws for a resolve which they neednt have done, for the most part i enjoyed reading it though.

Learning how Megalithic Yards and other natural measurement systems are made from a few sticks and the movement of the galaxy amazed me. I'd always thought someone had just picked a size and decided that was it.

It's the only reason I'm not burning the book. Definitely worth the £5 for that and the other info about that guy who worked it all out from StoneHenge.

As for who built the moon, I'm still waiting for evidence other than speculation. Although I do now accept that the Moon does rotate.

[graflok]

I read Who Built the Moon. My take on it is that there is some very good
info in it but there is much other data that seemed extraneous or just incorrect.
For example, the authors obviously believe the Apollo missions went to the moon.

Now, I know that David doesn't buy the Apollo nonsense (he says so in his
new book) so I presume David did what I did with WBTM which is to glean
the good info and discard the rest.

[_tzupidity]

I read Who Built the Moon. My take on it is that there is some very good
info in it but there is much other data that seemed extraneous or just incorrect.
For example, the authors obviously believe the Apollo missions went to the moon.

Now, I know that David doesn't buy the Apollo nonsense (he says so in his new book) so I presume David did what I did with WBTM which is to glean
the good info and discard the rest.

Or does he? I don't think they've reached a verdict yet...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120511

It's amazing that on a forum one could safely assume is populated by people who've read Ickey's books, so many users disgree with what he says in them. You don't get that on the Harry Potter forum. Well, apart from the whole, "Is Dumbledore a gay". Some people just can't accept that one.

[graflok]

Or does he? I don't think they've reached a verdict yet...


David discusses the fake Apollo missions in his new book. It's quite clear
he sees it as fake.

[masonicboom]

I read a book of 'mythology' at one time when I was a boy about ancient stories of The Wanderer, the moon seemed to very slowly approach the earth and locked itself into our orbit. I remember how it told of how the Gods went mad, the earth went into a period of eccentricity and tore the world asunder. Interesting story but it always remained in my mind because the moon does not rotate around its own axis. I have always thought that most probably the moon had traveled such a great distance that it lost all rotation and just traveled toward an unknown destination and happened to lock itself into our orbit. However, womens cycles are timed to the moon and I wonder if that in some way changed our total personal structure through time. I did not read David's book so this may be an irrelevent post but if anyone else has information concerning Ancient lore of The Wanderer I would really like to see it.

There is an Aeternus album called "Beyond The Wandering Moon"
An awesome album by my favourite metal band from early 90's.
I was lucky to find a copy on vinyl last year. I would post the album cover but I don't have premeir subsriber status currently. Its nothing much anyway, just art of a forest scene with the moon, but I like it.
This is the first I've heard the reference "Wanderer"

[truth seeker 09]

UFO contactee Alex Collier said in one of his lectures that the Moon landing was real but some of the photos were faked because the original photos were full of stuff that "didn't belong" there.

[_tzupidity]

UFO contactee Alex Collier said in one of his lectures that the Moon landing was real but some of the photos were faked because the original photos were full of stuff that "didn't belong" there.

You are so Alex Collier. Confess, or face the wrath of the DIF, ie; being branded a pedophile and hounded by the long term unemployed and those of 'unclear mental status'.

We have stamps and we aren't afraid to use them!

[them]

Learning how Megalithic Yards and other natural measurement systems are made from a few sticks and the movement of the galaxy amazed me. I'd always thought someone had just picked a size and decided that was it.

It's the only reason I'm not burning the book. Definitely worth the £5 for that and the other info about that guy who worked it all out from StoneHenge.

As for who built the moon, I'm still waiting for evidence other than speculation. Although I do now accept that the Moon does rotate.

Have you read Uriels machine which Knight wrote with another freemason called Robert Lomas? Fascinating, albeit astronomically flawed, stuff.

Who Built The Moon?.. I prefer the classical and generally accepted accretion theory for explaining The Moons existence ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbnZNJptWEQ&feature=related

[_tzupidity]

Have you read Uriels machine which Knight wrote with another freemason called Robert Lomas? Fascinating, albeit astronomically flawed, stuff.[...]

Nope, but I just added it to my Amazon 'buy later' list. Ty :D

[camreeno]

How are the "sychonicities" in the moon's dimensions and measurements just trivial things? You think it's just a coincidence that the moon covers virtually the whole sun from the earth when viewing a solar eclypse? And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the moon is ridiculously large for it's governing body (the earth)? If you can explain to me how these are little negligible details then we can talk. You sound inordinately cynical and it doesn't sound like you want to have a discussion, rather just vent away your negativity and hope people will agree with you.

[_tzupidity]

How are the "sychonicities" in the moon's dimensions and measurements just trivial things? You think it's just a coincidence that the moon covers virtually the whole sun from the earth when viewing a solar eclypse? And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the moon is ridiculously large for it's governing body (the earth)? If you can explain to me how these are little negligible details then we can talk. You sound inordinately cynical and it doesn't sound like you want to have a discussion, rather just vent away your negativity and hope people will agree with you.

I don't have any vested interest in whether the moon is a spaceship or a fur ball coughed out by a giant interstellar cat. I don't care who is right or who is wrong because ultimately, it doesn't really matter. I don't care what you or anyone else believes and I don't want to convert anyone.

I'm being negative about the people who wrote this book because they have offended my truth seeking principles and I believe that people like them damage the truth movement and accepted science because people like them do exist on both sides. They are keeping us all distracted from real truth by spinning complicated fairy tales that are more interesting than truth.

All I ask of people who claim to be researchers and claim to have the truth, whether you sell it in books or give it away for free; is that you give it to me honestly and objectively. Use objective language so I can have the information in a clear and easy to read way. Show me your sources. Don't be using techniques from Fiction and News Media by sensationalising everything or using pursuasive language that belongs in Politics. And most importantly of all (Sitchin and Maxwell I'm talking to you) don't make things up!

Am I asking for too much?

As for the moon synchronicities...

The Moon blocks out The Sun perfectly because it is both 400 times smaller and 400 times closer than The Sun. This is one of their evidences in the book.

However, they themselves point out that the moon was once closer to the earth and is gradually moving away. That means that the synchronicities are only relevant in our period of time.
They go on to say that this implies we (because we built the moon according to them, remember) knew exactly when we would be 'smart' enough to notice and then timed it so it happens now.

So you see, to accept that it's intentional then requires you to keep adding extra layers to explain away the temporary nature of the phenomena or any other 'fact' that gets in your way. It's all supposition and belief with no evidence. That in itself isn't a problem when what you have is a theory. But when you say it's the truth and start selling it, we have a problem.

The actual answer that most people give, the authors refer to as the Anthropic Principle.

Here is my version:

You can point to one planet (earth) where people are alive because X, Y and Z all happened, despite their remote odds. The people say, "Woh, how did that happen?!" Let's say you calculate the odds of it all happening and allowing you to exist as 1 in 50 Million. No way that's an accident right?

You can then say, given those odds, that there must be some kind of reason beyond 'natural accident'. God, Aliens, Mice or The Matrix. It's up to you.

However, you can only be thinking about this because those things happened and you exist to be there thinking about it in the first place. This is true no matter how remote you make those odds.

There are way more than 50 million points in space where (as far as we know) there is no earth type planet where these 'synchronicities' have happened. Because it didn't happen, noone is there thinking, "Oh wow, if our planet was 50km more that way we'd exist."

So given the vastness of space and how little we know about the tiny parts we can actually see; we should be asking, where are all the other places this has happened? Because when you view it logically you see the odds are infact backwards. There should be countless worlds out there where things like this happen.

Anthropic Principle.

Or, we can ignore it (as the authors literally tell you to do) and pretend like we're all special and alone in the universe because that grounds our energies to the earth, turns our eyes from the stars and helps imprison our spirits in a meaningless existence.

[gizmo98]

I am in the middle of the book. I find it very interesting. I will continue to read thru it, as I did with his other books, which I all found to be excellent.

[justin_pushka]

Im half way through the book right now. Whats dawning on me is how brilliant this could be tied in with a fake alien saviour event. The annunaki swoop down proclaiming they made us and made our moon millions of years ago just so we could live here to evolve to the point we are at now where we join the galactic brotherhood at which point they would ask us to mature and form a world government to represent us in dealings with them. Those lovely annunaki even built our moon for us to have the right temperature in our slave pet tank aaawww bless.

[_tzupidity]

Im half way through the book right now. Whats dawning on me is how brilliant this could be tied in with a fake alien saviour event. The annunaki swoop down proclaiming they made us and made our moon millions of years ago just so we could live here to evolve to the point we are at now where we join the galactic brotherhood at which point they would ask us to mature and form a world government to represent us in dealings with them. Those lovely annunaki even built our moon for us to have the right temperature in our slave pet tank aaawww bless.

Let me know how you feel when the Authors discount your idea with the reasoning: "Any alien world would be too far away." So it's definitely not Aliens.

A few books do talk about that though. The Ark of Millions of Years Vol 2 in the chapter on The Watchers; talks about the moon being one of the possible places that the 'Nephilim' could escape to during massive earth changes. Far enough away to escape the floods and volcanoes but close enough to keep an eye on the humans that survive and nip back when things settle down. They also considered Hollow Earth and Other Dimensions.

They give information I've not seen coming from Icke or Who Built The Moon. Something to do with the reflective quality of the moons surface and huge diferences between the side we see and the 'dark side'.
They say that if the Moon didn't revolve the way it does to ensure we never see the darkside, then we'd need to wear sunglasses on full moon nights as the dark side is more reflective.

They also say that the O2 content in the Moon's soil is higher than the content in Earth's air, meaning that Moonbases could easily create breathable atmospheres. It's already there, just in the soil not the air.

There is a heavy religious overtone to the three Ark books that show me they do not have the whole truth; though if you can bear to wade through it, you will pick up some really interesting information.

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Rubbish. They built Mars for me, went on holiday for two weeks half way through and didn't finish the faces I asked to be put there. And I specifically requested green, dammit!

[porridge]

I don't have any vested interest in whether the moon is a spaceship or a fur ball coughed out by a giant interstellar cat. I don't care who is right or who is wrong because ultimately, it doesn't really matter. I don't care what you or anyone else believes and I don't want to convert anyone.

I'm being negative about the people who wrote this book because they have offended my truth seeking principles and I believe that people like them damage the truth movement and accepted science because people like them do exist on both sides. They are keeping us all distracted from real truth by spinning complicated fairy tales that are more interesting than truth.

All I ask of people who claim to be researchers and claim to have the truth, whether you sell it in books or give it away for free; is that you give it to me honestly and objectively. Use objective language so I can have the information in a clear and easy to read way. Show me your sources. Don't be using techniques from Fiction and News Media by sensationalising everything or using pursuasive language that belongs in Politics. And most importantly of all (Sitchin and Maxwell I'm talking to you) don't make things up!

Am I asking for too much?

As for the moon synchronicities...

The Moon blocks out The Sun perfectly because it is both 400 times smaller and 400 times closer than The Sun. This is one of their evidences in the book.

However, they themselves point out that the moon was once closer to the earth and is gradually moving away. That means that the synchronicities are only relevant in our period of time.
They go on to say that this implies we (because we built the moon according to them, remember) knew exactly when we would be 'smart' enough to notice and then timed it so it happens now.

So you see, to accept that it's intentional then requires you to keep adding extra layers to explain away the temporary nature of the phenomena or any other 'fact' that gets in your way. It's all supposition and belief with no evidence. That in itself isn't a problem when what you have is a theory. But when you say it's the truth and start selling it, we have a problem.

The actual answer that most people give, the authors refer to as the Anthropic Principle.

Here is my version:

You can point to one planet (earth) where people are alive because X, Y and Z all happened, despite their remote odds. The people say, "Woh, how did that happen?!" Let's say you calculate the odds of it all happening and allowing you to exist as 1 in 50 Million. No way that's an accident right?

You can then say, given those odds, that there must be some kind of reason beyond 'natural accident'. God, Aliens, Mice or The Matrix. It's up to you.

However, you can only be thinking about this because those things happened and you exist to be there thinking about it in the first place. This is true no matter how remote you make those odds.

There are way more than 50 million points in space where (as far as we know) there is no earth type planet where these 'synchronicities' have happened. Because it didn't happen, noone is there thinking, "Oh wow, if our planet was 50km more that way we'd exist."

So given the vastness of space and how little we know about the tiny parts we can actually see; we should be asking, where are all the other places this has happened? Because when you view it logically you see the odds are infact backwards. There should be countless worlds out there where things like this happen.

Anthropic Principle.

Or, we can ignore it (as the authors literally tell you to do) and pretend like we're all special and alone in the universe because that grounds our energies to the earth, turns our eyes from the stars and helps imprison our spirits in a meaningless existence.

I agree with most what youre pissed about.Specially Jordan Maxwell.Sitchin is a gatekeeper,but Maxwell made a lot of sense,but then lost it or got scared & started with the alien abductions & fairy tales im sure you know.. Same with Icke.When he does a talk he does same shit.Starts you off throwing lots of truths at you then comes with his fairy story.The shape shifting reptile thing I thought was pretty cool the way he explained it,this moon theory is pure Coast 2 coast kinda garbage.Guess that's where the moneys at,the yanks love it & its much safer not treading on anyone's toes.Atleast with Michael Tsarion his bullshit is interesting.

[free_thinker]

Rubbish. They built Mars for me, went on holiday for two weeks half way through and didn't finish the faces I asked to be put there. And I specifically requested green, dammit!

Well gotta agree, I had them in for a loft conversion whilst I was away.

When I got back they'd built a bleeding Solar System instead and left a Sun on the landing.

Nightmare trying to sleep with that shining in the bedroom and now I have dodge the chuffing comets and asteroids when using the lavvy.

[justin_pushka]

I just read it and I am not best pleased. What a fucking joke of a book. And it took two of them to write it?!

The only 'evidence' I saw for the moon being artificial was the fact noone can explain how it was made and the spooky synchronicities in the measurements between the Earth, Sun and Moon.

That wasn't what annoyed me the most though, no. All the way through I'm reading this repeated waffle and thinking, "Just tell me who built the fucking moon."

Eventually they did. We built the moon. God didn't because he doesn't exist. The aliens didn't because they live too far away. So that obviously means that our future selves travel back in time to create the moon that will lead to our own development and provide a message to remind us that we need to also do it this time round because we're stuck in the same time loop the star ship enterprise got stuck in on TNG and lead to Orbital sampling Worf at the begining of their track 'Mobius'.

Oh fuck off.

Did anyone else read it and have a different experience?

I just read it and didnt think much of it especialy the conclusion. It was almost as bad a conclusion as "and then we woke up and the whole episode was a dream". I bought it because of the ridiculous scam thats goin on with this scarcity of the new david book. I also now refuse to buy "off your knees" because im actually getting off my knees by refusing to pay these rediculous prices because its being witheld from all other book sellers so that people have no choice but to buy it from this site at high prices. Its a bloody farce and the sort of thing a rockerfeller or rothschild would do!

[truegroup]

No one built the Moon. It isn't hollow, it had volcanic activity aeons ago. The very physics that we use as part of 'our reality' allow us to measure the exact gravity of the Moon. It ain't hollow, otherwise the whole mechanism used to measure tides wouldn't be accurate.

IF, somebody had the ability to 'alter our reality' by using a hollow moon and whatever, then why would they need to do it at all? They could just alter reality to make the atmosphere the conduit, or the air, or whatever 'they' wanted to.

[vienna]

I agree with most what youre pissed about.Specially Jordan Maxwell.Sitchin is a gatekeeper,but Maxwell made a lot of sense,but then lost it or got scared & started with the alien abductions & fairy tales im sure you know.. Same with Icke.When he does a talk he does same shit.Starts you off throwing lots of truths at you then comes with his fairy story.The shape shifting reptile thing I thought was pretty cool the way he explained it,this moon theory is pure Coast 2 coast kinda garbage.Guess that's where the moneys at,the yanks love it & its much safer not treading on anyone's toes.Atleast with Michael Tsarion his bullshit is interesting.


glad to see there are still some people with sense on this forum

its obvious the peopl e that are feeding Icke this disinfo have reached too far on this one, maybe they assumed because a large portion swallowed the reptile nonsense they could pile on some more absurdities to further discredit the movement - I noticed the same in Scientolgy when they tried to progress people up the OT levels through incremental programming with BS ideas

heres my advice folks, go buy Ted Flynn's book instead; "The hope of the wicked; the master plan to rule the world" all sourced with facts and comprehensive proof of who is running this game and what it's all about - alot of it sourced from the elites own published works and reports - and no fairy tales for the fantasists to get excited about

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/164233.Hope_of_the_Wicked
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/qa/22429.html
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41A74PZ5N9L._SX500_.jpg

also highly recommended by Alan Watt

[ninorc]

I haven't read David Icke's latest book, but have long been interested in the idea that the moon is artificial and am familiar with his sources.

Who Built The Moon by Chris Knight and Alan Butler was actually serialised -or at least excerpted - in The Daily Fail when it was published in 2005. Knight commands respect for the thoroughness of his research that's evident in his books, starting with The Hiram Key, the seminal investigation of the origins of Masonic ritual that he wrote with Robert Lomas. Knight & Butler's research into the Stone Age system of geometry and measurement described in their previous book, Civilization One, led them to the discovery that the system also applies on the Moon. In this interview (http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Article/Who%20Built%20the%20Moon.html), Knight concludes:

In Who Built the Moon? we explain that we could not come to any other conclusion than the Moon is artificial. Because it is certain that it is 4.6 billion years old that raises some interesting points. Another factor was the obvious message that has been built into the Moon to tell us it’s artificial. The language of the message is base ten arithmetic so it looks as though it is directed to a ten digit species that is living on Earth right now – which seems to mean humans.
The question of why the Moon had to be built is easy to answer: To produce all life, especially humans. As to who did it – well that’s a lot tougher! We give the three possibilities we can think of, namely: God, aliens or humans. The only one of these that is 100% scientifically possible is the last one. Time travel is universally accepted as being physically possible and a number of scientists are close to sending matter back in time. We can envisage that machines could be built in the future that could be sent back to remove matter from the young Earth to construct the Moon – probably using mini black hole technology.

Icke's other main source is Don Wilsons's Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon ("http://www.cseti.org/Our%20Mysterious%20Spaceship%20Moon/coverpage.htm"). Chunks of it are quoted online in places like this one here (http://cgi.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=22976). In his book, Wilson reviews a theory proposed by two Russian scientists from the Soviet Academy of Sciences that the moon is artificial. They speculate that it is, in fact, a spaceship parked in the sky above us by an alien race.

It is interesting to note that Don Wilson's bizarre theory was published in 1975, the same year that Hartmann and Davis proposed what has become leading modern hypothesis of the moon's origin, their Giant Impact, or 'Big Whack' Theory (http://www.psi.edu/projects/moon/moon.html). This interests me, because previous scientific theories of how the moon came to be had be revised in the light of evidence brought back from the Apollo missions and certain problems with the Big Whack theory have been overlooked, or explained via mathematical calculations that are themselves based on speculation, in order for the theory to retain its credibility. Soviet scientists, who may have been less concerned about scientific 'respectability', or subject to less peer pressure, examined the evidence and came up with their own uniquely provocative explanation.

You only have to look at this thread to see how attached some people, even those who frequent conspiracy theory discussion boards, are to 'their' moon. They'll dismiss the idea that it's artificial, or laugh it off, often with references to Clangers and/or cheese. Ha, ha.

What I find particularly enervating in this discussion of the moon's origins is those who think they are coming from a 'scientific' POV who will snort with derision at the suggestion that the moon is artificial and say, 'you can't possibly believe that' when their own understanding of how the moon came to be is just as much a mater of belief, because the fact is that the moon's origins are uncertain. Therefore, any hypothesis that fits the known facts is valid. Of course, the idea that 'the matrix' is generated from the moon is David Icke's own spin, but that doesn't mean he's wrong.

For the record, I don't have any beliefs about the moon, but I try to keep an open mind.

[vienna]

You only have to look at this thread to see how attached some people, even those who frequent conspiracy theory discussion boards, are to 'their' moon. They'll dismiss the idea that it's artificial, or laugh it off, often with references to Clangers and/or cheese. Ha, ha.

What I find particularly enervating in this discussion of the moon's origins is those who think they are coming from a 'scientific' POV who will snort with derision at the suggestion that the moon is artificial and say, 'you can't possibly believe that' when their own understanding of how the moon came to be is just as much a mater of belief, because the fact is that the moon's origins are uncertain. Therefore, any hypothesis that fits the known facts is valid. Of course, the idea that 'the matrix' is generated from the moon is David Icke's own spin, but that doesn't mean he's wrong.

For the record, I don't have any beliefs about the moon, but I try to keep an open mind.

you forgot a third group, the group here that see it as a distraction and tool to take the movement off on another wild tangent

lets sort out the very real provable conspiracy, we know who these elites are we have the evidence, all we need do is disseminate it among the wider population for change to happen ... while you're gazing at the moon the land you're standing on is being taken from under your feet, deal with the very real problems first , not everyone on this planet has the luxury we do of allocating some of our time for the truth movement, alot of them are too busy earning a pittance just to exist and buy a meal

the elites knew this, and so needed some distraction tools for the portion of the population that have enough leisure time to put to task opposing them - they need you to pursue these meaningless fantasies rather than productive effective challenges to their power

we that have this leisure time in the west owe it to the other greater oppressed proportion of humanity to use our time for their benefit too

let's sort out the very real oppression on this planet first, we know the who and the hows.. lets tackle this first, after that there's plenty of time to ponder your moon fantasies

[oscify]

being a hundred million years old with nothing to do and wanting watery oceans instead of boring ice, I built the moon to regulate the tides. do you like it?

ps yes I am god

[ownoiz]

I am god


They have meds for that now.
.

[jacki_e]

being a hundred million years old with nothing to do and wanting watery oceans instead of boring ice, I built the moon to regulate the tides. do you like it?

ps yes I am god

NO..I AM GOD..your an imposter!!!:cool:

[jacki_e]

They have meds for that now.
.

Who wants meds to unthink we are supreme gods...geesh! :D

[ownoiz]

we are supreme gods


Jeez another one...ya know, they are right about the people that post here. :D
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[jacki_e]

Jeez another one...ya know, they are right about the people that post here. :D
.

:D yeah we are just "da bomb" :cool: (is that how they say it in hip hop? :confused: )

[ownoiz]

is that how they say it in hip hop? :confused:


I dont know for sure, (im not genetically predisposed to being allowed to say the N-word in public) ...but i think that term is rather ol' skool, aight.

Let me check the dictionary... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=da%20bomb

Ah yes, it appears i am correct.


Da bomb - An old but cool way of calling something awesome. The term was used a lot in the mid to late 90s.

It has completely dissappeared from the Slang radar after September 11th, 2001 because no one wanted to be suspected of terrorism for using it.

Dude 1: Hey man cool party right

Dude 2; Yeah its da bomb!

Post 9/11

Dude 1: This party is da bomb!

Dude 2: Ah! Terrorist!


Now, Im no Linguistics expert, but it would appear as though the patriot act and the rise and rise of izzle language are primarily to blame for its demise.
.

[1776]

No i did not bother buying this book. I think icke has got lost down the rabbit hole and If your not careful he get you lost aswell.

Icke isn't lost, unfortunately. I'd have more respect for the man if he were, however! :rolleyes:

[....]

He (or anyone else) can only lead those astray that are willing. I think there's a lot to be said for the theory that people falling out of organised religions and beliefs find themselves in a PTSD state and their need for that structured belief means they'll follow pretty much anyone and anything to feel balanced again.
All but the stupid eventually realise and to be fair, if Icke wants to take all the stupid people to the moon then good on him, at least they'll be out of my way :D

There's a sucker for every con...

;)

Learning how Megalithic Yards and other natural measurement systems are made from a few sticks and the movement of the galaxy amazed me. I'd always thought someone had just picked a size and decided that was it.

It's the only reason I'm not burning the book. Definitely worth the £5 for that and the other info about that guy who worked it all out from StoneHenge.

As for who built the moon, I'm still waiting for evidence other than speculation. Although I do now accept that the Moon does rotate.

So why are you now convinced that the Moon rotates?

UFO contactee Alex Collier said in one of his lectures that the Moon landing was real but some of the photos were faked because the original photos were full of stuff that "didn't belong" there.

This is probably closer to the Truth than anything else said thus far, on this thread!

Kudos...


Peace&Love
God bless

[jacki_e]

I dont know for sure, (im not genetically predisposed to being allowed to say the N-word in public) ...but i think that term is rather ol' skool, aight.

Let me check the dictionary... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=da%20bomb

Ah yes, it appears i am correct.



Now, Im no Linguistics expert, but it would appear as though the patriot act and the rise and rise of izzle language are primarily to blame for its demise.
.

:D

[ninorc]

you forgot a third group, the group here that see it as a distraction and tool to take the movement off on another wild tangent...

let's sort out the very real oppression on this planet first, we know the who and the hows.. lets tackle this first, after that there's plenty of time to ponder your moon fantasiesWhy don't you take your own advice and stay out of threads that you consider to be a distraction? Is it because as one of 'the group here' you see it as your prerogative to adjudicate what's real and what's make believe?

[masonicboom]

I've had this on hold at the library for over a week and have procrastinated picking it up.
Likely they will reshelf it before I get it.

[camreeno]

I did

[jacki_e]

I just read it and I am not best pleased. What a fucking joke of a book. And it took two of them to write it?!

The only 'evidence' I saw for the moon being artificial was the fact noone can explain how it was made and the spooky synchronicities in the measurements between the Earth, Sun and Moon.

That wasn't what annoyed me the most though, no. All the way through I'm reading this repeated waffle and thinking, "Just tell me who built the fucking moon."

Eventually they did. We built the moon. God didn't because he doesn't exist. The aliens didn't because they live too far away. So that obviously means that our future selves travel back in time to create the moon that will lead to our own development and provide a message to remind us that we need to also do it this time round because we're stuck in the same time loop the star ship enterprise got stuck in on TNG and lead to Orbital sampling Worf at the begining of their track 'Mobius'.

Oh fuck off.

Did anyone else read it and have a different experience?

You know I never read the start of this thread...I honestly thought it was by someone who asked this question REALLY wondering!! lmao :D If someone can write a book on this and get it published..well I'm going to write a best seller!! :p

[herushura]

The Moon blocks out The Sun perfectly because it is both 400 times smaller and 400 times closer than The Sun. This is one of their evidences in the book.

The Moon is currently moving away from the Earth at the very slow rate of 3.8 cm per year.  It has been moving away from the Earth ever since its formation more than 4 billion years ago.


Therefore, gradually, the sun is moving further away from the Earth, thus the Corona around Solar Eclipses are getting larger each millenia.

[rodin]

All I ask of people who claim to be researchers and claim to have the truth, whether you sell it in books or give it away for free; is that you give it to me honestly and objectively. Use objective language so I can have the information in a clear and easy to read way. Show me your sources. Don't be using techniques from Fiction and News Media by sensationalising everything or using pursuasive language that belongs in Politics. And most importantly of all (Sitchin and Maxwell I'm talking to you) don't make things up!

Am I asking for too much?





As for the moon synchronicities...

The Moon blocks out The Sun perfectly because it is both 400 times smaller and 400 times closer than The Sun. This is one of their evidences in the book.

However, they themselves point out that the moon was once closer to the earth and is gradually moving away. That means that the synchronicities are only relevant in our period of time....





You can point to one planet (earth) where people are alive because X, Y and Z all happened, despite their remote odds. The people say, "Woh, how did that happen?!" Let's say you calculate the odds of it all happening and allowing you to exist as 1 in 50 Million. No way that's an accident right?

You can then say, given those odds, that there must be some kind of reason beyond 'natural accident'. God, Aliens, Mice or The Matrix. It's up to you.

However, you can only be thinking about this because those things happened and you exist to be there thinking about it in the first place. This is true no matter how remote you make those odds.

There are way more than 50 million points in space where (as far as we know) there is no earth type planet where these 'synchronicities' have happened. Because it didn't happen, noone is there thinking, "Oh wow, if our planet was 50km more that way we'd exist."

So given the vastness of space and how little we know about the tiny parts we can actually see; we should be asking, where are all the other places this has happened? Because when you view it logically you see the odds are infact backwards. There should be countless worlds out there where things like this happen.

Anthropic Principle.

Or, we can ignore it (as the authors literally tell you to do) and pretend like we're all special and alone in the universe because that grounds our energies to the earth, turns our eyes from the stars and helps imprison our spirits in a meaningless existence.

i hope you can somehow return for i find you to be a true truth seeker. Sad to see you gone while charlatans survive.

Now to address your post in 3 chunks...

1) I agree TOTALLY with the first part.

2) yes but the point is it does match in the here and now. Who knows where it was a billion years ago - really....

3) Also this business of god v coincidence. Consider the odds that YOU are alive in the here and now given the length of time's arrow. Now consider the infinite... and why the materialists have got it completely wrong....

[polveirbecker]

i hope you can somehow return for i find you to be a true truth seeker. Sad to see you gone while charlatans survive.

He could be back in a pretty big way :eek:

[apollo_gnomon]

The Moon is currently moving away from the Earth at the very slow rate of 3.8 cm per year.  It has been moving away from the Earth ever since its formation more than 4 billion years ago.
Yes. It is.

Therefore, gradually, the sun is moving further away from the Earth, thus the Corona around Solar Eclipses are getting larger each millenia.
Not so much.

It turns out that the yearly increase in the distance between the Earth and the Sun from this effect is only about one micrometer (a millionth of a meter, or a ten thousandth of a centimeter). So this is a *very* tiny effect.
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=317

[theabominablephenomenon]

There is a good chapter in Jim Marrs' book Above Top Secret,
titled 'Who Parked the Moon?'
It was the first time I had come across any strange info about the moon,
so it came as a bit of a revelation.
However, there is a distinct possibility there are correlations from what is discussed on this thread and the other links here that could place some of it in myth/conspiracy territory, but it is well worth a read if you are looking for moon based theories.
The rest of the book is good too.. it can be found on torrent sites.

[crisitunity]

I don't understand where you're coming from, but the last thing I expected when I first heard Icke mention the book was a definitive answer about who actually constructed the moon.


Its a wild world.

[herushura]

What about Moon Men and the Amazon Women who live on the Moon

[lieorrists]

it's a fucking planet.

First it's an illusion, then it's a space ship and now this. SO much focus on the moon, are we really on to something?

I don't think so, sorry.

[gabeygoat]

My mom made the moon, how come no one can figure this out?!?!?!??!

[ownoiz]

My mom made the moon


Bullshit.

Theres no red light on the moon.
.

[gabeygoat]

Bullshit.

Theres no red light on the moon.
.

damn, that was pretty good... =]

[ownoiz]

damn, that was pretty good... =]

i knew u was asking for a momma joke so it had to be a good one, or else why bother, right.

Besides, i knew a guy who would always insult everyone with "Your mothers a hooker" so i kinda have that one, and related variants, ready to go.
.

[truegroup]

Theres no red light on the moon.
.

Roxanne

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8530/fullmoone.jpg

[gabeygoat]

lol paintshop "airgun"

[mahuika]

Well, I have heard about this "Moon Matrix" theory for a while now since I was 16 (now 20) and believe it completely. There are so many ancient accounts of how the moon was towed here, or is "not native" to our solar system or spiritual accounts from many people about how it is merely a vehicle, used to control, manipulate and "see ALL" on earth and neighboring planets as well as scientific facts pointing to the fact that once again, it does not seem to be "native" to our solar system as well as it being hollow. There are just too many pointers and facts which are pointing to the fact that there most definitely is something a little strange going on with it. I for one completely agree that it is merely a stationed that is used toward a in-human agenda to control, manipulate and imprison us and other beings here on Earth in particular. I don't see how this is such a "far out" idea to be able to grasp. Look at all the possibilities here on Earth alone of life, situations, creations and more. So, whose to say that it IS possible that the moon was "towed here" or such?

[dedicate]

All planets and even the Sun are spheres of living teaming life. The most evolved beings live in the Sun.-- and this is where we originated. When an evolution is in need of it's own planet still related to the Sun, the Sun will form the planet from itself and send it into space.

The same happened to the Moon. Parts of Earth's evolution needed some other planet to evolve on, so part of the Earth was moved to the outer atmosphere. This happened when Earth was still more or less a fluid mass.

That is the origin of the Moon. -- The Moon did not enter earth's gravity from out of space,, nor was it built.

[lyricusmagna]

Who Built The Moon?

-Extraterrestrials did.

Icke shouldn't mix Dan Burisch and Alex Collier next time he wants to write a book. Bullshit and genuine info don't go along together.

[nioz]

Who built it?

The Creator who made every planet, every galaxy, every star, every molecule and atom!

[lyricusmagna]

Who built it?

The Creator who made every planet, every galaxy, every star, every molecule and atom!

Well, he might have created all those things, but not the Moon though.

[earthicastar]

according to John Lear ... the moon was towed here..
...we needed it for the soul catcher thingy

just thought i'd clear that part of it up

still don't know who built it tho :eek:

[lyricusmagna]

according to John Lear ... the moon was towed here..
...we needed it for the soul catcher thingy

just thought i'd clear that part of it up

still don't know who built it tho :eek:

The regressive groups of extraterrestrials.

[phildee3]

Well, he might have created all those things, but not the Moon though.

Actually, he did.
But it was the only thing that he made without using evolution in the process -
That's if you're talking about Yahweh. He's the creator-god of the Jews and that's what they believe.
Gatecrash Kiddush Levanah sometime - you'll be amazed!

[mahuika]

The regressive groups of extraterrestrials.

I believe it was created. It's weird isn't it. You could be presented with facts, or speculation or no facts at all and yet, somewhere deep inside you, you "BELIEVE" something is true. It's as if you already knew from ages ago or life times ago or planets of eons ago....Like, sometimes, I hate to admit it but I don't have proof for some of the things such as whether the moon was created or not but I feel like I know....

[phildee3]

I believe it was created. It's weird isn't it. You could be presented with facts, or speculation or no facts at all and yet, somewhere deep inside you, you "BELIEVE" something is true. It's as if you already knew from ages ago or life times ago or planets of eons ago....Like, sometimes, I hate to admit it but I don't have proof for some of the things such as whether the moon was created or not but I feel like I know....

You do.
This is knowledge, not belief.

Belief is in the mind - when you think something is the case.
You're talking about intuition which is not in the mind but in the body - on a cellular level.
It's much more accurate.

[lyricusmagna]

Actually, he did.
But it was the only thing that he made without using evolution in the process -
That's if you're talking about Yahweh. He's the creator-god of the Jews and that's what they believe.
Gatecrash Kiddush Levanah sometime - you'll be amazed!

The Moon is created by other life forms. Not by God or whatever. He/She/It/Whatever is not the only one who can create worlds.

I believe it was created. It's weird isn't it. You could be presented with facts, or speculation or no facts at all and yet, somewhere deep inside you, you "BELIEVE" something is true. It's as if you already knew from ages ago or life times ago or planets of eons ago....Like, sometimes, I hate to admit it but I don't have proof for some of the things such as whether the moon was created or not but I feel like I know....

Its weird for some. But I used to believe it was intuition. Until I figured out that some of my memories which I couldn't place in any chronological order of my life now, belonged to previous lives. In one of those, I watched Earth as it had no moon at all, and I think a memory further back, portrays Earth having 2 moons.

You do.
This is knowledge, not belief.

Belief is in the mind - when you think something is the case.
You're talking about intuition which is not in the mind but in the body - on a cellular level.
It's much more accurate.

And knowledge? Belief in God is not knowledge.

[1776]

The Moon is created by other life forms. Not by God or whatever. He/She/It/Whatever is not the only one who can create worlds.

Oh yeah?

Who else can create worlds but God, the Creator Himself?

Where are you getting your material from? Your information? Care to share?



Its weird for some. But I used to believe it was intuition. Until I figured out that some of my memories which I couldn't place in any chronological order of my life now, belonged to previous lives. In one of those, I watched Earth as it had no moon at all, and I think a memory further back, portrays Earth having 2 moons.

Ahhhh reincarnation! I suppose you believe in KARMA too, no? :rolleyes:



And knowledge? Belief in God is not knowledge.

Why wouldn't belief in God be knowledge?

Are you familiar with the definition?

If not, here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/knowledge



Peace&Love
God bless

[phildee3]

The Moon is created by other life forms. Not by God or whatever.



Gods are "other life forms."
They are supernatural life-forms,
and only supernatural life-forms can make something like the moon (and the pyramids, etc.)



And knowledge? Belief in God is not knowledge.



Correct.
Knowledge of God is knowledge.

[phildee3]

Who else can create worlds but God, the Creator Himself?



The Annunaki.



Why wouldn't belief in God be knowledge?



Because some people believe there are no gods.

They can't both be right.

[taboo]

Seems like this debate will not be setled anytime soon. "Who built the moon?" Something surely did. Was it the Creator? Was it Mind-processing Entities? Was it OUR MINDS? Was it our human selves from blabla years ago? Whatever.

One thing we can ALL agree upon is that.. The way the Moon functions.. well it's quite perfect...

You see, since the ancient times, the moon has been used as a very important and quite CRUCIAL tool for survival of all species... It was used as a CALENDAR. The ancients used the Moon as a calendar to predict the precise time, and most importantly to be in TUNE with the cosmos... to be IN SYNC and in BALANCE with the NATURAL nature...

The mammals, the insects, the fish, and so on, also use the LUNAR calendar to do... what they do, to be ALSO in tune with the cosmos...


Now my question...

I Want to know WHY.... the importance of BALANCE and to in SYNC with the COSMOS was so IMPORTANT to the ancients BEFORE us... And how come they followed such IMPORTANT calendar systems.... (IT was the HOLIEST of the HOLY Priests who were in charge of the CALENDAR system....)

And WE DO NOT??? BEcause, if you really compare the world from then, and the world now...


IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE THE ONES WHO WENT BACK IN TIME.

So... Who built the moon and why it was built? Well.. perhaps it is none of our business...

What we should really be worried about, is how come we are no longer in SYNC with the natural world

Because it is DUE to OUR imbalance that the entire Earth is in such CHAOTIC state...
THIS CURRENT EARTH IS THE RESULT FOR NOT BEING IN TUNE WITH THE NATURAL ORDER OF COSMOS.


You see people has NEVER left nature, we were THROWN off PURPOSELY from it...

So to debate, why the moon is there or why it is the way it is..... well..I can say one thing....It is perfect the way it is.

What I care about is to be in sync with the Moon, and to be in sync with the stars, to be in sync with the "universe", to be in sync with the Earth...

because that way I find that I, myself is not that different from the cosmos at all

[phildee3]

"Who built the moon?" Something surely did.



So "something" created the moon - yes?



Was it the Creator?



Was it the creator of the moon who created the moon???

I would say there's a good chance of that ;).

[taboo]

:rolleyes: :D

[lyricusmagna]

Oh yeah?

Who else can create worlds but God, the Creator Himself?

Some beings that he might have created on other worlds (I don't believe in God, I'm just playing along the religious guessing game you started).

Where are you getting your material from? Your information? Care to share?

Contact and PL memories.

Ahhhh reincarnation! I suppose you believe in KARMA too, no? :rolleyes:

Its not anything more ridiculous than the belief on God. The donkey can't laugh at how big the rabbit's ears are, if they both stand in front of a mirror :).

Yes, I support the reincarnation phenomena, because of my own personal experiences, and the personal experience of many other people, including scientific research regarding this phenomena. Karma? Not really, not that much. Not in the sense most people think of karma.

Why wouldn't belief in God be knowledge?

Belief and knowledge do not equate.

Experience can equate to knowledge on the other hand.

Are you familiar with the definition?

If not, here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/knowledge

Peace&Love
God bless

How about you get acquainted with that definition?


knowl·edge
   /ˈnɒlɪdʒ/ Show Spelled[nol-ij] Show IPA
–noun
1.
acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation; general erudition: knowledge of many things.
2.
familiarity or conversance, as with a particular subject or branch of learning: A knowledge of accounting was necessary for the job.
3.
acquaintance or familiarity gained by sight, experience, or report: a knowledge of human nature.
4.
the fact or state of knowing; the perception of fact or truth; clear and certain mental apprehension.
5.
awareness, as of a fact or circumstance: He had knowledge of her good fortune.
6.
something that is or may be known; information: He sought knowledge of her activities.
7.
the body of truths or facts accumulated in the course of time.
8.
the sum of what is known: Knowledge of the true situation is limited.
9.
Archaic . sexual intercourse. Compare carnal knowledge.
–adjective
10.
creating, involving, using, or disseminating special knowledge or information: A computer expert can always find a good job in the knowledge industry.
—Idiom
11.
to one's knowledge, according to the information available to one: To my knowledge he hasn't been here before.
Use knowledge in a Sentence
See images of knowledge
Search knowledge on the Web
Origin:
1250–1300; ME knouleche, equiv. to know ( en ) to know1 + -leche, perh. akin to OE -lāc suffix denoting action or practice, c. ON (-) leikr; cf. wedlock

—Related forms
know·ledge·less, adjective
pre·knowl·edge, noun
su·per·knowl·edge, noun

—Synonyms
1. See information. 4. understanding, discernment, comprehension; erudition, scholarship.


I don't see belief anywhere here. Get a dictionary yourself for crying out loud.

Gods are "other life forms."
They are supernatural life-forms,
and only supernatural life-forms can make something like the moon (and the pyramids, etc.)

What do you mean supernatural?

Extraterrestrial can be termed supernatural in many cases. But doesn't equate to something divine, like many do it.

Correct.
Knowledge of God is knowledge.

Agreed. But we don't have knowledge of God. Beliefs are ok, as long as they are not presented as an absolute truth.

[elcribbo]

Well, I have heard about this "Moon Matrix" theory for a while now since I was 16 (now 20) and believe it completely. There are so many ancient accounts of how the moon was towed here, or is "not native" to our solar system or spiritual accounts from many people about how it is merely a vehicle, used to control, manipulate and "see ALL" on earth and neighboring planets as well as scientific facts pointing to the fact that once again, it does not seem to be "native" to our solar system as well as it being hollow. There are just too many pointers and facts which are pointing to the fact that there most definitely is something a little strange going on with it. I for one completely agree that it is merely a stationed that is used toward a in-human agenda to control, manipulate and imprison us and other beings here on Earth in particular. I don't see how this is such a "far out" idea to be able to grasp. Look at all the possibilities here on Earth alone of life, situations, creations and more. So, whose to say that it IS possible that the moon was "towed here" or such?

I've yet to come across any scientific "facts" which point to it not being native to our solar system. Every scientific "fact" I know of points to the exact opposite. Can you explain which facts you're talking about?

[elcribbo]

All planets and even the Sun are spheres of living teaming life. The most evolved beings live in the Sun.-- and this is where we originated. When an evolution is in need of it's own planet still related to the Sun, the Sun will form the planet from itself and send it into space.

The same happened to the Moon. Parts of Earth's evolution needed some other planet to evolve on, so part of the Earth was moved to the outer atmosphere. This happened when Earth was still more or less a fluid mass.

That is the origin of the Moon. -- The Moon did not enter earth's gravity from out of space,, nor was it built.

Which planets are teeming with life? Do you have anything to prove this?

It is physically impossible for anything to live on the sun, assuming that living things would have to be made of atoms. The pressures and temperatures on the sun are such that even the simplest and most stable atoms, such as hydrogen, are destroyed all the time. Can you explain how life would survive there?

[periculi]

Sounds like dedicate is quoting the Book of Urantia, or one of it's incarnations. They received their alleged information from channeled sources, in the early 20th century. Complete mishmash of 15th century esoteric alchemy, masonic influences and pseudoscience obtained from misinterpretation of the swiftly growing cosmology and astronomy discoveries of the period. Don't expect any facts to support that idea, or even any pseudo-facts that sound likely.

[1776]

The Annunaki.

Please... :rolleyes:

And no, I'm not just discounting ideas because they counter mine. I've put in the leg-work, I've done my research and have my own experiences.


Because some people believe there are no gods.

They can't both be right.

I know. That's how I know belief in God is knowledge ;)

Some beings that he might have created on other worlds (I don't believe in God, I'm just playing along the religious guessing game you started).

You don't believe in God, but believe in aliens and PL memories. Excellent... (I'm being sarcastic)



Contact and PL memories.

So the next time someone comes to me in a 'contact' while I am 'channeling', I can use that as solid fact or evidence to something that was conveyed to me in such a demonic channeling?

Get over yourself. This is reality. We deal with facts here.



Its not anything more ridiculous than the belief on God. The donkey can't laugh at how big the rabbit's ears are, if they both stand in front of a mirror :).

It is more ridiculous than the belief in God (your Creator, the One who made YOU possible - how arrogant do you sound!), yes!

Yes, I support the reincarnation phenomena, because of my own personal experiences, and the personal experience of many other people, including scientific research regarding this phenomena. Karma? Not really, not that much. Not in the sense most people think of karma.

Where's the scientific research. Put up, or shut up. I don't believe any of your "experiences", sorry.



Belief and knowledge do not equate.

Experience can equate to knowledge on the other hand.

Exactly. Experience your God everyday, like I do. This is knowledge.



How about you get acquainted with that definition?

I am, thanks!



I don't see belief anywhere here. Get a dictionary yourself for crying out loud.

I have many different dictionaries and encyclopedia's, thanks. You may want to brush up on yours, however.





Agreed. But we don't have knowledge of God. Beliefs are ok, as long as they are not presented as an absolute truth.

People who don't believe in God, I do not trust. Not one bit. I was once one of those lost souls, and I wouldn't believe me then like I don't believe you now!


Peace&Love
God bles

[lyricusmagna]

I know. That's how I know belief in God is knowledge ;)

No its not. Its why its called a belief.

You don't believe in God, but believe in aliens and PL memories. Excellent... (I'm being sarcastic)

To me, the universe is God. I'm sorry that I don't share your version of God, you know, the white hooded, long-bearded old man type of God? The Gandalf-ish one? Am very sorry.

Extraterrestrial life? Leave out my own experiences, its even supported by science. Pas life memories? Well, I have them, not much I can prove to you about that, can I?

And your sarcasm is a bit dry, you might wanna use some lubricant next time. For a better verbal penetration. Good luck.

So the next time someone comes to me in a 'contact' while I am 'channeling', I can use that as solid fact or evidence to something that was conveyed to me in such a demonic channeling?

I never said I was channeling ....

Or is that the only way you think ETs nowadays communicate? Demonic? Don't get me started on demons. You probably have one or two in the back of your mind.

Get over yourself. This is reality. We deal with facts here.

Reality is that there is no God (the type which I explained). You need to get over yourself too. Fact of the matter is, many people experience the same thing I do. So why should I care about 'your' reality?

It is more ridiculous than the belief in God (your Creator, the One who made YOU possible - how arrogant do you sound!), yes!

No its not. Ask any atheist to draw a comparison between the two. A logical one. I wasn't created by your God, or any God for that matter. I don't care if that sounds arrogant to you, because its only your own judgment.

Where's the scientific research. Put up, or shut up. I don't believe any of your "experiences", sorry.

Oh, sorry, did I ask you to believe me? NOT. I don't give a rat's ass if you do or don't. As for scientific views on it:

The Russian experiments with 'soul departure', and reincarnation cycles somewhat connected with the Gaia Hypothesis. Also, check 'quantum recovery' in the field of 'Quantum Mechanics'. Heard of transpersonal psychology? Get acquainted with the term.

Exactly. Experience your God everyday, like I do. This is knowledge.

Sorry, I don't experience your God. My mom and dad thought so too, and spent great deal of their lives and their devotion as well, sadly, he/she/it never managed to make not even one prayer true for them. Must be one lazy God, huh? No, its not knowledge.

I am, thanks!

No you are not. Reread it again. Watch the emphasized parts.

I have many different dictionaries and encyclopedia's, thanks. You may want to brush up on yours, however.

At least I know how to read the content of the dictionaries and the encyclopedias I have here, you on the other hand, buy them so you don't get termed a royal bible nut by the more educated people. Encyclopedias do not equate knowledge, if keep them in the bookshelf, or use them to find confirmation of your 2000+ year old fantasy book.

I was once one of those lost souls

Peace&Love
God bles

You still seem lost though.

[jimj_wpg]

Well, I have heard about this "Moon Matrix" theory for a while now since I was 16 (now 20) and believe it completely. There are so many ancient accounts of how the moon was towed here, or is "not native" to our solar system or spiritual accounts from many people about how it is merely a vehicle, used to control, manipulate and "see ALL" on earth and neighboring planets as well as scientific facts pointing to the fact that once again, it does not seem to be "native" to our solar system as well as it being hollow. There are just too many pointers and facts which are pointing to the fact that there most definitely is something a little strange going on with it. I for one completely agree that it is merely a stationed that is used toward a in-human agenda to control, manipulate and imprison us and other beings here on Earth in particular. I don't see how this is such a "far out" idea to be able to grasp. Look at all the possibilities here on Earth alone of life, situations, creations and more. So, whose to say that it IS possible that the moon was "towed here" or such?

So should someone (us?) blow up the Moon? What would change then? Would we somehow become less slave-like as humans, less controlled by mind control thoughts? I know chemtrails where the winds blow from the East have made me feel paranoid (since then have detoxed from aluminum) so it don't affect me anymore - I've mostly overcome the mind control. It's MY Mind. Leave it ALONE you fuck ass!

But remember October 2009 when NASA sent some kind of rocket to blow up a small part of the Moon to test if there was water on the surface or underground. Did we ever hear if there was or not?

I think that if our side of the Moon is really being used for sinister stuff like mind control on Earth, then one day that part will be shut down and colonized. The story of the aboniable snowman (the cartoon) says that even scary stuff can be tamed or made to be benevolent.

[morethanatheory]

Our current moon, is not the only moon that we have ever had, we used to have two. Everything goes in a cycle.

You want evidence? I don't have any, neither does anyone.

Keep looking.

Oh wait.. you're wasting your time.

When will people learn :o

[lyricusmagna]

Our current moon, is not the only moon that we have ever had, we used to have two. Everything goes in a cycle

That's correct. We also had three suns.

[snakesnladders]

Yeah; i liked it. i think the moon is an artificial satellite and it's no accident its where it is. It was put there by an advanced civilization. Actually indigenous cultures some speak of a time before the present moon was here.

It appears to be hollow; actually; i wonder if earth is artificial too. After all , 'god' built the earth in 7 days and 7 whatever. well if you substitute an alien race for 'god' then the earth was built by somebody.

why not? Im sure an advanced alien civilisation could manage that.

earth and moon both is my bet. and also that the moon is inhabited; possibly particularly underground; just like earth is inhabited underground. references the 'underworld' in all mythologies where the 'gods' (read aliens) live.

yeah; good book.

stupid ending with their theories tho. moon was built by aliens; dont complicate it.

theres a very good bet that phobos and diemos are artificial satellites too i reckon; and that mars is inhabited at least underground.

i am suspicious about the giant hexagon on saturn too. i know i know... but i maintain my suspicions.

[jr93]

Who built the Moon?

The Klangers

Correct.

[illuminat3d]

If you really wanna know who built the moon you gotta go ask those guys



http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/blog/mooninites.jpg

[pound]

This book is next on my list, looks like a great companion to Ickes book and the 'Who built the moon' book:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_luna/luna19_01.jpghttp://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_luna/luna19_02.jpg

[phemohilia]

If you really wanna know who built the moon you gotta go ask those guys



http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/blog/mooninites.jpg


Hands down, You WIN!! ATHF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :cool: :cool: :cool:

[lyricusmagna]

Where were these people 30 years ago?

Hey, at least they are picking up. Slowly, but picking up.

[ragnarok]

The Moon's only importance on a psychological level, is that when a creature on Earth was conscious enough to wonder about the first eclipse it experienced, it began the ancient study of astronomy.

[phildee3]

Belief and knowledge do not equate.
Experience can equate to knowledge on the other hand.



Agreed



What do you mean supernatural?



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural



...we don't have knowledge of God.



Some do.
Those who have had the experience.

[lyricusmagna]

Agreed

Some do.
Those who have had the experience.

I don't disprove the existence of something akin to "God". But the Biblical God? Nope.

[indolering]

This book is next on my list, looks like a great companion to Ickes book and the 'Who built the moon' book:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_luna/luna19_01.jpghttp://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_luna/luna19_02.jpg
It is a great companion to David's new book--you'll learn a lot about the nature of the moon and the evidence for it being a hollowed out planetoid, steered into orbit around Earth.

[zorpho99]

I just read it and I am not best pleased. What a fucking joke of a book. And it took two of them to write it?!

The only 'evidence' I saw for the moon being artificial was the fact noone can explain how it was made and the spooky synchronicities in the measurements between the Earth, Sun and Moon.

That wasn't what annoyed me the most though, no. All the way through I'm reading this repeated waffle and thinking, "Just tell me who built the fucking moon."

Eventually they did. We built the moon. God didn't because he doesn't exist. The aliens didn't because they live too far away. So that obviously means that our future selves travel back in time to create the moon that will lead to our own development and provide a message to remind us that we need to also do it this time round because we're stuck in the same time loop the star ship enterprise got stuck in on TNG and lead to Orbital sampling Worf at the begining of their track 'Mobius'.

Oh fuck off.

Did anyone else read it and have a different experience?

If you found it unbelievable why didn't you just put it down?
Your reaction is typical of someone who senses their reality being questioned, the accepted paradigm is threatened by new information and the ego panics.
Do your research, investigate his claims and then make your announcements. Merely reacting to information because it doesn't fit your perception of reality isn't good for you or anyone else.:D

[dreamweaver]

I just read it and I am not best pleased. What a fucking joke of a book. And it took two of them to write it?!

The only 'evidence' I saw for the moon being artificial was the fact noone can explain how it was made and the spooky synchronicities in the measurements between the Earth, Sun and Moon.

That wasn't what annoyed me the most though, no. All the way through I'm reading this repeated waffle and thinking, "Just tell me who built the fucking moon."

Eventually they did. We built the moon. God didn't because he doesn't exist. The aliens didn't because they live too far away. So that obviously means that our future selves travel back in time to create the moon that will lead to our own development and provide a message to remind us that we need to also do it this time round because we're stuck in the same time loop the star ship enterprise got stuck in on TNG and lead to Orbital sampling Worf at the begining of their track 'Mobius'.

Oh fuck off.

Did anyone else read it and have a different experience?

So its entire premise is built on a sci-fi television series plot and sold to the gullible as fact? Thanks, sounds like you've saved me a few wasted quid.

I love Orbital btw. :cool:

[snakesnladders]

Er, you're angry at the book because you didn't like the author's conclusions?

The book contains a lot of important info. I don't agree wiht their conclusions either.

I think its much more likely that aliens built the moon. Does that answer your question?

no reason to dismiss the book tho.

the important point they make is SOMEONE built it. It's hollow..

[indolering]

Er, you're angry at the book because you didn't like the author's conclusions?

The book contains a lot of important info. I don't agree wiht their conclusions either.

I think its much more likely that aliens built the moon. Does that answer your question?

no reason to dismiss the book tho.

the important point they make is SOMEONE built it. It's hollow..


I've not read the book, only excerpts and an interview with Christopher Knight. He claims the origin of the moon resulted from an impact of the Earth by a meteor which threw off a huge mass which became our moon. This theory, although now part of official science was already on shaky ground even before we went to the moon because of the laws of celestial mechanics. When moon rocks and dust were analyzed, they showed that the composition of lunar soil is much different than Earth's. Moon rocks also are far older than the Earth, and stranger still, lunar rocks and lunar dust are different ages! These facts point to the conclusion that the moon was formed elsewhere and elsewhen, and was somehow 'captured' by the Earth.

He also thinks that humans are the likely 'builders' of the moon, time-travelling back to facilitate life on Earth. This seems a stretch to me and I feel rather certain that an alien civilization is responsible for the fabrication of this hollowed out planetoid which had to have been carefully steered into position around Earth.

I feel the real value of this book is in the analyses of the remarkable 'coincidences' of the Sun-Earth-Moon system. There are so many of them that one is forced to admit that there may well be an intelligent force at work here.

For a better understanding of the nature of the moon and why it is, in all likelihood, a construct used to monitor/manipulate Earth and its inhabitants, I highly recommend 'Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon' by Don Wilson (see post 93). I know many people on this forum are loathe to believe we ever went to the moon, but I assure you we have. There may well have been faked moon landings and whatnot, but don't forget, the secret space program has been active since the 1940s, and you can bet the Illuminazis see space travel as a top priority, not least because the Earth may not be capable of sustaining life after all the havoc they've produced. Also, moon rocks are apparently authentic, having been examined by scientists the world over without serious refutation. One scientist said it would be easier to go to the moon to retrieve samples than it would be to manufacture them.

[lyricusmagna]

That theory is crap. Because there are numerous accounts of ancient tribes who speak of a world without any moon(s).

Things were not always as they seem now.

[wthree]

That theory is crap. Because there are numerous accounts of ancient tribes who speak of a world without any moon(s).

Things were not always as they seem now.

Can you give some examples and/or links?

[858672]

That theory is crap. Because there are numerous accounts of ancient tribes who speak of a world without any moon(s).

Things were not always as they seem now.

That seems interesting, I remember reading something in the past that says the moons only been here for a few thousand years? More info would be nice.

[lyricusmagna]

Can you give some examples and/or links?

That seems interesting, I remember reading something in the past that says the moons only been here for a few thousand years? More info would be nice.

The Ancient Greeks, the West African tribes, and some Native American cultures too. I will have to see which tribes exactly, and what are the stories, but so far I only know this much.

Apparently, they all agree that the Moon shows up after the 'Flood'. The nearest date for that would be some 12.000/13.000 years ago.

[pound]

Here's an interesting passage from a 3500 year old Sumerian tablet that references the Anunnaki (the 'reptiles') while seemingly implying at the same time that there was no 'moon' in the skies upon their initial arrival. Like Lyricus stated, these 'no moon' stories appear again and again in the ancient accounts:



The reptiles verily descend,
The Earth is resplendent as a well watered garden,
At that time Enki and Eridu had not appeared,
Daylight did not shine,
Moonlight had not emerged.

http://books.google.com/books?id=2TtOjwtbXG8C&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=ra+boulay+ushumgal&source=bl&ots=hCRBhIfFmj&sig=0Do05W_fGbJXtvkvsHSPtWKuXVA&hl=en&ei=EqXtTPcXhJ2WB8v8xP8B&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ra%20boulay%20ushumgal&f=false

[wthree]

Here's an interesting passage from a 3500 year old Sumerian tablet that references the Anunnaki (the 'reptiles') while seemingly alluding at the same time that there was no 'moon' in the skies upon their initial arrival. Like Lyricus stated, these 'no moon' stories appear again and again in the ancient accounts:

If you follow that logic, the sun wasnt there either.

Another interpretation could be that it was twilight:

After the sun had gone down, and before the moon had risen.

[pound]

If you follow that logic, the sun wasnt there either.

Another interpretation could be that it was twilight:

After the sun had gone down, and before the moon had risen.

Anything's possible. The Genesis creation story basically follows the same narrative present in this Sumerian passage, I don't believe that's a coincidence. Perhap's there was no Sun either at one time? I don't know-I can only speculate, so I won't go there. The reference to the Moon is what peaks my interest.

[piskavac]

Sssshhhhhh!!! Why be so disturbed with Moon???!!!

I drove it in your solar system, but it was too hard to place it at it's current orbit. For that reason, i hollowed it out, to ease it's fixation in current orbit.

But sadly, when I made very big, strong, and special effort to make big cave from it's surface to it's deepnes, one huge rock went under my control. It became an asteroid and fall on the Earth. This was 12 000 years ago.

It imidiately killed 93,81% percent of mankind.

That asteroid had 10km in diameter, and fall near Atlantida continent, and kicked very vulnerable place between twoo tectonic plates.

I am regreet for it, but I must controll you, mankind. I am your quardian and master.

And to do the best I can, to accomplish this task, i drove that big body in which I placed numerous ingenious machinery to make matrix for you.

Mistake happens, and next time when I will have to controll any other similar planet, I will see whether this Moon is in function, and if it weren't I will find another celestial body of similar sie, and i will first hollow it out, and drove it on apropriate orbit for this planet.

[lyricusmagna]

Can you give some examples and/or links?

That seems interesting, I remember reading something in the past that says the moons only been here for a few thousand years? More info would be nice.

Found some of the sources:

"Greek authors Aristotle and Plutarch, and Roman authors Apolllonius Rhodius and Ovid all wrote of a group of people called the Proselenes who lived in the central mountainous area of Greece called Arcadia The Proselenes claimed title to this area because their forebears were there "before there was a moon in the heavens." This claim is substantiated by symbols on the wall of the Courtyard of Kalasasaya, near the city of Tiahuanaco, Bolivia, which record that the moon came into orbit around the Earth between 11,500 and 13, 000 years ago, long before recorded history".

[lyricusmagna]

If you follow that logic, the sun wasnt there either.

Another interpretation could be that it was twilight:

After the sun had gone down, and before the moon had risen.

Another interpretation could be that they have arrived during total eclipse of the sun maybe? Eclipses were very important to the Sumerians and for the people in the American continents. Some associate them with divinity or sign of the Gods.

My own information given to me aside, let's check some weird moon facts, what others have said about the Moon, and some anomalies:

"The moon is the Rosetta stone of the planets." —Robert Jastrow, First Chairman, NASA Lunar Exploration Committee

* The moon rises on exactly the opposite side were the sun does, and they have the same size in the sky :D, and they follow the same trajectory on it too.

* The moon is far older than the entire solar system. The oldest age for the Moon was estimated to be 5.3 billion years, before they added another billion years to the dust they found there (Giving it a 6.3 billion years of age), which all actually goes somewhat in favor of the proposed star system by Mr. Alex Collier, Polaris B (Or "Chowta"), in Ursa Minor, who has around the same age, and where he actually states that is 6.2 billion years old. Quite close I would say. And as such, it destroys the current "scientific theory" of the Moon's origin;

* The chemical composition of the dust compared with the rocks is remarkably different from the rocks themselves, contrary to accepted theories that the dust resulted from weathering and breakup of the rocks. The rocks had to have come from somewhere else.

* The moon goes contrary to the current planet formation established science. It has its more heavy elements on the surface, including the heaviest on the chemical palette there, and the lightest in the interior. (If it has lighter elements on the inside, its better for digging don't you think? ). The abundance of refractory elements like titanium in the surface areas is so pronounced that several geologists proposed the refractory compounds were brought to the moon’s surface in great quantity in some unknown way. They don’t know how, but that it was done cannot be questioned." (Emphasis added). This is why the moon reflects so much light here.

* Hollow nature. A team of Russian scientists with their research has concluded that the Moon is hollow, or that it has a lot of 'Hollow Pockets'. Some areas seem more dense than others. Now how is this possible with a planetary object? No wonder one would want lighter elements inside, easier to dig through, and leave the dust above.

The moon’s mean density is 3.34 gm/cm3 (3.34 times an equal volume of water) whereas the Earth’s is 5.5. What does this mean? In 1962, NASA scientist Dr. Gordon MacDonald stated, "If the astronomical data are reduced, it is found that the data require that the interior of the moon is more like a hollow than a homogeneous sphere." Nobel chemist Dr. Harold Urey suggested the moon’s reduced density is because of large areas inside the moon where is "simply a cavity." MIT’s Dr. Sean C. Solomon wrote, "the Lunar Orbiter experiments vastly improved our knowledge of the moon’s gravitational field . . . indicating the frightening possibility that the moon might be hollow." In Carl Sagan’s treatise, Intelligent Life in the Universe, the famous astronomer stated, "A natural satellite cannot be a hollow object."

* Mascons, which are large, dense, circular masses lying twenty to forty miles beneath the centers of the moon's maria, "are broad, disk-shaped objects that could be possibly some kind of artificial construction. For huge circular disks are not likely to be beneath each huge maria, centered like bull’s-eyes in the middle of each, by coincidence or accident". Some Russian scientists have theorized that the mascons are devices for pumping the core of the Moon to the surface, to hollow it out for the living quarters of a spaceship.Seismic Activity: Hundreds of "moonquakes" are recorded each year that cannot be attributed to meteor strikes. In November, 1958, Soviet astronomer Nikolay A. Kozyrev of the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory photographed a gaseous eruption of the moon near the crater Alphonsus. He also detected a reddish glow that lasted for about an hour. In 1963, astronomers at the Lowell Observatory also saw reddish glows on the crests of ridges in the Aristarchus region

* On March 7, 1971, lunar instruments placed by the astronauts recorded a vapor cloud of water passing across the surface of the moon. The cloud lasted 14 hours and covered an area of about 100 square miles;

* Moon rocks are magnetized. This is odd because there is no magnetic field on the moon itself. This could not have originated from a "close call" with Earth—such an encounter would have ripped the moon apart. The 'close encounter theory' also wouldn't make the moon have the lightest elements in its core.

* No volcanic activity considered on the Moon, yet some of the moon's craters originated internally. (hmmm...). Does volcanic activity bring the core heavy elements to the surface? Lets say for the sake of the argument that there was colcanic activity in the past and it somehow magically resorted to bringing all the heavy stuff to the surface. Astronauts had extreme difficulty trying to drill into the maria because of its elemental composition. Do these elements occur naturally on Earth through volcanic activity, purely for comparison? The maria is composed primarily illeminite, a mineral containing large amounts of titanium, the same metal used to fabricate the hulls of deep-diving submarines and the skin of the SR-71 "Blackbird". Uranium 236 and neptunium 237 (elements not found in nature on Earth) were discovered in lunar rocks, as were rustproof iron particles ;

* Also untypical for a planetary object like the Moon is to have seismic activity, yet hundreds of "moonquakes" are recorded each year that cannot be attributed to meteor strikes. In November, 1958, Soviet astronomer Nikolay A. Kozyrev of the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory photographed a gaseous eruption of the moon near the crater Alphonsus. He also detected a reddish glow that lasted for about an hour. In 1963, astronomers at the Lowell Observatory also saw reddish glows on the crests of ridges in the Aristarchus region.

* On November 20, 1969, the Apollo 12 crew jettisoned the lunar module ascent stage causing it to crash onto the moon. The LM’s impact (about 40 miles from the Apollo 12 landing site) created an artificial moonquake with startling characteristics—the moon reverberated like a bell for more than an hour. This phenomenon was repeated with Apollo 13 (intentionally commanding the third stage to impact the moon), with even more startling results. Seismic instruments recorded that the reverberations lasted for three hours and twenty minutes and traveled to a depth of twenty-five miles, leading to the conclusion that the moon has an unusually light—or even no—core.

* Our moon is the only moon in the solar system that has a stationary, near-perfect circular orbit. Stranger still, the moon’s center of mass is about 6000 feet closer to the Earth than its geometric center (which should cause wobbling), but the moon’s bulge is on the far side of the moon, away from the Earth. "Something" had to put the moon in orbit with its precise altitude, course, and speed.

* On July 29, 1953, John J. O’Neill observed a 12-mile-long bridge straddling the crater Mare Crisium. In August, British astronomer Dr. H.P. Wilkens verified its presence, "It looks artificial. It’s almost incredible that such a thing could have been formed in the first instance, or if it was formed, could have lasted during the ages in which the moon has been in existence.

* Aristarchus, Plato, Eratosthenes, Biela, Rabbi Levi, and Posidonius all reported anomalous lights on the moon. NASA, one year before the first lunar landing, reported 570+ lights and flashes were observed on the moon from 1540 to 1967.

* The Shard, an obelisk-shaped object that towers 1½ miles from the Ukert area of the moon’s surface, was discovered by Orbiter 3 in 1968. Dr. Bruce Cornet, who studied the amazing photographs, stated, "No known natural process can explain such a structure."

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_luna/luna18_01.jpg

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_luna/luna18_03.jpg

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_luna/luna26_02.jpg

* One of the most curious features ever photographed on the Lunar surface (Lunar Orbiter photograph III-84M) is an amazing spire that rises more than 5 miles from the Sinus Medii region of the lunar surface.

* Lunar Orbiter II took several photographs in November 1966 that showed several obelisks, one of which was more than 150 feet tall. ". . . the spires were arranged in precisely the same was as the apices of the three great pyramids."

* A spaceship?

http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/images/moon%20and%20mars_1.jpg

Other anomalies:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_luna/luna35_01.jpg

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_luna/luna35_02.jpg
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http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Aristarcus/Aristarcus_MA_03.png

[domino1108]

The Death star was made by Enki and Enlil

personally i think they should concentrate on the quality of their kebabs.

i feel theres something in it, but all will be made clear in time.

Believe everything that way, your never wrong:p

[indolering]

The Death star was made by Enki and Enlil



This could well be the ultimate truth of our moon! :eek::confused::rolleyes::D

[tarragon]

the moon is simply a hollowed out alien turd with a smiley face on it that's saying - ha the jokes on you...... stupid humans----- whats that smell? :D

[stipey]

It's not about who made the moon, has anyone noticed lately since last Oct.15 that it tilted. Did this planet shift? Did the moon shift? what happened. Why hasn't this been mentioned by NASA..hello.. or don't they care. The face on the moon I used to see since I was small is now sideways..how could a planet like this just shift so much within a few months. I looked at it last night because it was real full coming up over the mountain and it's really noticeable.
Is this the beginning of the so called shift in 2012 that are planet is heading towards? Who shifted? us or the moon..

[frenat]

It's not about who made the moon, has anyone noticed lately since last Oct.15 that it tilted. Did this planet shift? Did the moon shift? what happened. Why hasn't this been mentioned by NASA..hello.. or don't they care. The face on the moon I used to see since I was small is now sideways..how could a planet like this just shift so much within a few months. I looked at it last night because it was real full coming up over the mountain and it's really noticeable.
Is this the beginning of the so called shift in 2012 that are planet is heading towards? Who shifted? us or the moon..
It si called field rotation. The Moon and everything else in the sky appear to rotate clockwise throughout the night. They aren't actually rotating but our perspective of them is as we are viewing them from a rotating round earth. When the Moon rises you are looking East, when high in the sky you are looking south, when it sets you are looking West. Your perspective changes. Specifically with the Moon as the angle of its orbit changes throughout the year the tilt or rotation is more apparent in the winter months. It is known as a "wet moon" or a "cheshire moon". It has always done this and always will.

[stipey]

It si called field rotation. The Moon and everything else in the sky appear to rotate clockwise throughout the night. They aren't actually rotating but our perspective of them is as we are viewing them from a rotating round earth. When the Moon rises you are looking East, when high in the sky you are looking south, when it sets you are looking West. Your perspective changes. Specifically with the Moon as the angle of its orbit changes throughout the year the tilt or rotation is more apparent in the winter months. It is known as a "wet moon" or a "cheshire moon". It has always done this and always will.

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[slapdash]

Personally I like abstract thinking mixed with theory. Quite often it's how we achieve provable truth.

My problem with the moon being a base or spacecraft and placed is this. David said he believes it was placed in orbit hundreds of thousands of years ago. We have fossils of moths and other bugs that are attracted to the light of the moon for the purpose of feeding nocturnal flying creatures that date to millions of years old. ( before man made light, insects would fly as high as they could, attracted to the moon's light, and form a carpet of easy feeding for night predators )

If David's theory is correct...was there another moon that was perhaps destroyed or...what other explanation could there be for moon insect fossils dating to millions of years ?

[bittisgabonica]

David is a believer in inter-dimensional reptilians but he doesnt believe aliens could have built the moon? Because they are too far away?? When could we have built the moon? it must have ben before the mayans ever existed, or any other civilization for that matter.

[jaychurchforrest]

would love a reference for this if possible...

The moon goes contrary to the current planet formation established science. It has its more heavy elements on the surface, including the heaviest on the chemical palette there, and the lightest in the interior. (If it has lighter elements on the inside, its better for digging don't you think? ). The abundance of refractory elements like titanium in the surface areas is so pronounced that several geologists proposed the refractory compounds were brought to the moon’s surface in great quantity in some unknown way. They don’t know how, but that it was done cannot be questioned." (Emphasis added). This is why the moon reflects so much light here.

Particularly the bit in bold. Sounds very interesting.

[jaychurchforrest]

Another interpretation could be that they have arrived during total eclipse of the sun maybe? Eclipses were very important to the Sumerians and for the people in the American continents. Some associate them with divinity or sign of the Gods.

My own information given to me aside, let's check some weird moon facts, what others have said about the Moon, and some anomalies:

"The moon is the Rosetta stone of the planets." —Robert Jastrow, First Chairman, NASA Lunar Exploration Committee

* The moon rises on exactly the opposite side were the sun does, and they have the same size in the sky :D, and they follow the same trajectory on it too.

* The moon is far older than the entire solar system. The oldest age for the Moon was estimated to be 5.3 billion years, before they added another billion years to the dust they found there (Giving it a 6.3 billion years of age), which all actually goes somewhat in favor of the proposed star system by Mr. Alex Collier, Polaris B (Or "Chowta"), in Ursa Minor, who has around the same age, and where he actually states that is 6.2 billion years old. Quite close I would say. And as such, it destroys the current "scientific theory" of the Moon's origin;

* The chemical composition of the dust compared with the rocks is remarkably different from the rocks themselves, contrary to accepted theories that the dust resulted from weathering and breakup of the rocks. The rocks had to have come from somewhere else.

* The moon goes contrary to the current planet formation established science. It has its more heavy elements on the surface, including the heaviest on the chemical palette there, and the lightest in the interior. (If it has lighter elements on the inside, its better for digging don't you think? ). The abundance of refractory elements like titanium in the surface areas is so pronounced that several geologists proposed the refractory compounds were brought to the moon’s surface in great quantity in some unknown way. They don’t know how, but that it was done cannot be questioned." (Emphasis added). This is why the moon reflects so much light here.

* Hollow nature. A team of Russian scientists with their research has concluded that the Moon is hollow, or that it has a lot of 'Hollow Pockets'. Some areas seem more dense than others. Now how is this possible with a planetary object? No wonder one would want lighter elements inside, easier to dig through, and leave the dust above.



* Mascons, which are large, dense, circular masses lying twenty to forty miles beneath the centers of the moon's maria, "are broad, disk-shaped objects that could be possibly some kind of artificial construction. For huge circular disks are not likely to be beneath each huge maria, centered like bull’s-eyes in the middle of each, by coincidence or accident". Some Russian scientists have theorized that the mascons are devices for pumping the core of the Moon to the surface, to hollow it out for the living quarters of a spaceship.Seismic Activity: Hundreds of "moonquakes" are recorded each year that cannot be attributed to meteor strikes. In November, 1958, Soviet astronomer Nikolay A. Kozyrev of the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory photographed a gaseous eruption of the moon near the crater Alphonsus. He also detected a reddish glow that lasted for about an hour. In 1963, astronomers at the Lowell Observatory also saw reddish glows on the crests of ridges in the Aristarchus region

* On March 7, 1971, lunar instruments placed by the astronauts recorded a vapor cloud of water passing across the surface of the moon. The cloud lasted 14 hours and covered an area of about 100 square miles;

* Moon rocks are magnetized. This is odd because there is no magnetic field on the moon itself. This could not have originated from a "close call" with Earth—such an encounter would have ripped the moon apart. The 'close encounter theory' also wouldn't make the moon have the lightest elements in its core.

* No volcanic activity considered on the Moon, yet some of the moon's craters originated internally. (hmmm...). Does volcanic activity bring the core heavy elements to the surface? Lets say for the sake of the argument that there was colcanic activity in the past and it somehow magically resorted to bringing all the heavy stuff to the surface. Astronauts had extreme difficulty trying to drill into the maria because of its elemental composition. Do these elements occur naturally on Earth through volcanic activity, purely for comparison? The maria is composed primarily illeminite, a mineral containing large amounts of titanium, the same metal used to fabricate the hulls of deep-diving submarines and the skin of the SR-71 "Blackbird". Uranium 236 and neptunium 237 (elements not found in nature on Earth) were discovered in lunar rocks, as were rustproof iron particles ;

* Also untypical for a planetary object like the Moon is to have seismic activity, yet hundreds of "moonquakes" are recorded each year that cannot be attributed to meteor strikes. In November, 1958, Soviet astronomer Nikolay A. Kozyrev of the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory photographed a gaseous eruption of the moon near the crater Alphonsus. He also detected a reddish glow that lasted for about an hour. In 1963, astronomers at the Lowell Observatory also saw reddish glows on the crests of ridges in the Aristarchus region.

* On November 20, 1969, the Apollo 12 crew jettisoned the lunar module ascent stage causing it to crash onto the moon. The LM’s impact (about 40 miles from the Apollo 12 landing site) created an artificial moonquake with startling characteristics—the moon reverberated like a bell for more than an hour. This phenomenon was repeated with Apollo 13 (intentionally commanding the third stage to impact the moon), with even more startling results. Seismic instruments recorded that the reverberations lasted for three hours and twenty minutes and traveled to a depth of twenty-five miles, leading to the conclusion that the moon has an unusually light—or even no—core.

* Our moon is the only moon in the solar system that has a stationary, near-perfect circular orbit. Stranger still, the moon’s center of mass is about 6000 feet closer to the Earth than its geometric center (which should cause wobbling), but the moon’s bulge is on the far side of the moon, away from the Earth. "Something" had to put the moon in orbit with its precise altitude, course, and speed.

* On July 29, 1953, John J. O’Neill observed a 12-mile-long bridge straddling the crater Mare Crisium. In August, British astronomer Dr. H.P. Wilkens verified its presence, "It looks artificial. It’s almost incredible that such a thing could have been formed in the first instance, or if it was formed, could have lasted during the ages in which the moon has been in existence.

* Aristarchus, Plato, Eratosthenes, Biela, Rabbi Levi, and Posidonius all reported anomalous lights on the moon. NASA, one year before the first lunar landing, reported 570+ lights and flashes were observed on the moon from 1540 to 1967.

* The Shard, an obelisk-shaped object that towers 1½ miles from the Ukert area of the moon’s surface, was discovered by Orbiter 3 in 1968. Dr. Bruce Cornet, who studied the amazing photographs, stated, "No known natural process can explain such a structure."

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* One of the most curious features ever photographed on the Lunar surface (Lunar Orbiter photograph III-84M) is an amazing spire that rises more than 5 miles from the Sinus Medii region of the lunar surface.

* Lunar Orbiter II took several photographs in November 1966 that showed several obelisks, one of which was more than 150 feet tall. ". . . the spires were arranged in precisely the same was as the apices of the three great pyramids."

* A spaceship?

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Other anomalies:

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I should clarify. I would like a reference to a lot of this article. It is very interesting and certainly persuasive that there is at least, something very odd about the moon.

[jaychurchforrest]

David is a believer in inter-dimensional reptilians but he doesnt believe aliens could have built the moon? Because they are too far away?? When could we have built the moon? it must have ben before the mayans ever existed, or any other civilization for that matter.

So far I have been learning about the reptillians as living in the moon, aka Archons. I would also like to learn about this idea that they come from another dimension, what other references are there for this. Also, if it is not answered else where, how would people know about them if they are in another dimension which we presumably can not see?

[phrased eyebrow]

I remember the first time I saw the Moon globe. They appeared everywhere all of a sudden in the early 1970's, and I thought to myself something akin to: "wow- There's a globe of the Moon in every classroom and library right next to our Earth's globe. Now the dark side is no mystery to anyone. I'm certainly glad Science filled in that big blank, so we can get on to other things."

Don't understand the moon? Here's the answer. Accept the moon globe.

[lyricusmagna]

So far I have been learning about the reptillians as living in the moon, aka Archons. I would also like to learn about this idea that they come from another dimension, what other references are there for this. Also, if it is not answered else where, how would people know about them if they are in another dimension which we presumably can not see?

Yes, you are correct, there are several different species working there alongside some other ET races. But haven't heard the term Archons. That's new to me.

We are made to believe they come from another dimension because they can "phase" in and out of our sight. They do this via cloaking technology that bends the light 360°. The whole "shapeshifting" thing is also done with technology.

Some people are going to great lengths to make these alien races look like demonic beings that come from another dimension (a.k.a. "Hell").

The believability of this whole thing (especially with Icke) is so low because of a stupid nickname attached to these ET races like 'Reptillians'/'Reptoids', which tends to make people believe people are claiming contact with two-legged, space Dino's. There is nothing remotely truly reptilian about them, but quite a lot alien.

Some characteristics they have are reminiscent of Earthly reptiles (like claws, the eyes, texture of skin), but this is easily explained by convergent evolution (only on a cosmic scale).

As for my post about the Moon - Yes, I do like when people are open-minded to the possibility. I'm not trying to convince people that the moon is a spaceship etc., but at least be open to the idea when so much anomalies stuck up that are not registered with any other (so far known) object in the observed universe. Yet there it is, our first and closest space neighbor :)

I will try and see how made those claims first, but these things have been on the net for quite a while, and copied and pasted on so many websites it would be quite a challenge to find the sources. Although I did mention few sources in my post I think.

That the Moon was not here before famed 'Flood' event, is supported by cultural testimony of the Greeks and Native Americans. I will try and find exactly who is the source.

Don't understand the moon? Here's the answer. Accept the moon globe.

Explain the long list of anomalies then. Make us understand.

[babybumasylum]

The Moonmans done it? :D

[indolering]

would love a reference for this if possible...

The moon goes contrary to the current planet formation established science. It has its more heavy elements on the surface, including the heaviest on the chemical palette there, and the lightest in the interior. (If it has lighter elements on the inside, its better for digging don't you think? ). The abundance of refractory elements like titanium in the surface areas is so pronounced that several geologists proposed the refractory compounds were brought to the moon’s surface in great quantity in some unknown way. They don’t know how, but that it was done cannot be questioned." (Emphasis added). This is why the moon reflects so much light here.

Particularly the bit in bold. Sounds very interesting.

This book is next on my list, looks like a great companion to Ickes book and the 'Who built the moon' book:

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Read this and be informed. The evidence is very compelling. The two soviet scientists who first proposed the theory of 'spaceship moon' are not charlatans. Conventional astronomers have marginalized this theory because they refuse to entertain the idea of extraterrestrial life, so they cling to the thoroughly discredited theory that the moon was once part of Earth.

The moon's origin may be a distraction to those who need to obsess over the oppression of humanity by satanists here on Earth, but the truth of the moon is indeed tied in with our subjugation by ET's. Taken together, these two books provide convincing evidence that the moon, if not hollow, has huge caverns within it, and that it must have been steered into orbit around Earth.

[indolering]

How are the "sychonicities" in the moon's dimensions and measurements just trivial things? You think it's just a coincidence that the moon covers virtually the whole sun from the earth when viewing a solar eclypse? And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the moon is ridiculously large for it's governing body (the earth)? If you can explain to me how these are little negligible details then we can talk. You sound inordinately cynical and it doesn't sound like you want to have a discussion, rather just vent away your negativity and hope people will agree with you.


That's right, the sheer number of 'coincidences' surrounding the Earth/moon/Sun system are more than enough to question their natural origin. Further, our moon is so unlike any other satellite we know of, many scientists have speculated that something extraordinary is going on, not least because there have been lights and structures observed on its surface for centuries.

[lyricusmagna]

Personally I like abstract thinking mixed with theory. Quite often it's how we achieve provable truth.

My problem with the moon being a base or spacecraft and placed is this. David said he believes it was placed in orbit hundreds of thousands of years ago. We have fossils of moths and other bugs that are attracted to the light of the moon for the purpose of feeding nocturnal flying creatures that date to millions of years old. ( before man made light, insects would fly as high as they could, attracted to the moon's light, and form a carpet of easy feeding for night predators )

If David's theory is correct...was there another moon that was perhaps destroyed or...what other explanation could there be for moon insect fossils dating to millions of years ?

There are narratives talking about two moons. But the problem is - they are said to 'arrive' here after the 'Flood'.

Maybe it was here before, then disappeared for a long period of time, and appeared again around 13.000 years ago.


David is a believer in inter-dimensional reptilians but he doesnt believe aliens could have built the moon? Because they are too far away?? When could we have built the moon? it must have ben before the mayans ever existed, or any other civilization for that matter.

In a recent interviews he did say Moon being built by an extraterrestrial intelligence.

And please, you know damn well "Interdimensional Reptilians" = Aliens with very good tech toys. Easily explainable. Unless you are one of those, who rubs those labels in people's faces trying to look more normal or sane than those who believe in such things? :rolleyes:

[wunjo]

One thing that has always amazed me about the moon is how we can only see one side of it. I don't know if the moon "globe" that the previous poster was talked about had the other side of the moon photographed or how that would have been possible to do in the 70s or even now but I still wonder what is on the other side. Could it be that if this planetoid was in fact hollow and teeming with advanced life, wouldn't it be easier to park the mothership in the back door? They certainly wouldn't drive past Earth then go around you know. I just don't know why they haven't made attempts to illuminate the other side and why they don't have constant surveillance from satelittes that are beyond the other side and looking back towards us. Just some thoughts.

[indolering]

I haven't read David Icke's latest book, but have long been interested in the idea that the moon is artificial and am familiar with his sources.

Who Built The Moon by Chris Knight and Alan Butler was actually serialised -or at least excerpted - in The Daily Fail when it was published in 2005. Knight commands respect for the thoroughness of his research that's evident in his books, starting with The Hiram Key, the seminal investigation of the origins of Masonic ritual that he wrote with Robert Lomas. Knight & Butler's research into the Stone Age system of geometry and measurement described in their previous book, Civilization One, led them to the discovery that the system also applies on the Moon. In this interview (http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Article/Who%20Built%20the%20Moon.html), Knight concludes:



Icke's other main source is Don Wilsons's Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon ("http://www.cseti.org/Our%20Mysterious%20Spaceship%20Moon/coverpage.htm"). Chunks of it are quoted online in places like this one here (http://cgi.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=22976). In his book, Wilson reviews a theory proposed by two Russian scientists from the Soviet Academy of Sciences that the moon is artificial. They speculate that it is, in fact, a spaceship parked in the sky above us by an alien race.

It is interesting to note that Don Wilson's bizarre theory was published in 1975, the same year that Hartmann and Davis proposed what has become leading modern hypothesis of the moon's origin, their Giant Impact, or 'Big Whack' Theory (http://www.psi.edu/projects/moon/moon.html). This interests me, because previous scientific theories of how the moon came to be had be revised in the light of evidence brought back from the Apollo missions and certain problems with the Big Whack theory have been overlooked, or explained via mathematical calculations that are themselves based on speculation, in order for the theory to retain its credibility. Soviet scientists, who may have been less concerned about scientific 'respectability', or subject to less peer pressure, examined the evidence and came up with their own uniquely provocative explanation.

You only have to look at this thread to see how attached some people, even those who frequent conspiracy theory discussion boards, are to 'their' moon. They'll dismiss the idea that it's artificial, or laugh it off, often with references to Clangers and/or cheese. Ha, ha.

What I find particularly enervating in this discussion of the moon's origins is those who think they are coming from a 'scientific' POV who will snort with derision at the suggestion that the moon is artificial and say, 'you can't possibly believe that' when their own understanding of how the moon came to be is just as much a mater of belief, because the fact is that the moon's origins are uncertain. Therefore, any hypothesis that fits the known facts is valid. Of course, the idea that 'the matrix' is generated from the moon is David Icke's own spin, but that doesn't mean he's wrong.

For the record, I don't have any beliefs about the moon, but I try to keep an open mind.


Welcome to the forum, Wunjo.

This is a cool thread, and I'm glad you revived it, even if no one else responds. The post I quoted is fair and balanced and provides a link to parts of the book, Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon which is a short but well-written analysis of the nature and origin of the moon. It goes into the many anomalies of the lunar data, puzzles which official science is still unable to explain.

I also recommend David's latest book, Human Race, not only for the moon but how it all fits together. Happy hunting. :D