Eckharte Tolle and the Power of Now

[tejas]

I have just started reading this book. Seems very interesting and was wondering if others have read it and have an opinion on it?

[lilly555]

Yeah this guy is awesome. I highly recommend his books/speeches to everyone. He and Icke are my top 2 fav authors/speakers.:)

He has lots of videos on youtube.

[lookfar]

I'm halfway through it at the mo (as well as another two on the go), but I'm really enjoying it too. Lots to learn from it, but it takes some practice.

[soglad]

I bought "The Power Of NOW" and "A New Earth" at Singapore airport. I read The Power Of NOW because I remember you told me that I'd like it lookfar, and yes, it's been AMAZING help, I can't believe how better off things are when living in the present!

A New Earth is a stunning read too, I'm half-way through it!

Thanks for that lookfar! :D

[lookfar]

I bought "The Power Of NOW" and "A New Earth" at Singapore airport. I read The Power Of NOW because I remember you told me that I'd like it lookfar, and yes, it's been AMAZING help, I can't believe how better off things are when living in the present!

A New Earth is a stunning read too, I'm half-way through it!

Thanks for that lookfar! :D

Ah you're welcome honey:D Books always make their way to you when you need them most. They do with me anyway, either by appearing randomly in a shop or recommended by a friend etc, they just have a knack.

I'm 'so glad' you're living in the NOW & enjoying life, good on ya, lol!!:)

I'll have to check out A New Earth soon too....

[gorgeousbutterfly]

what i don't understand with the living in the now is that he said you shouldn't think about the past and the future well how about the future our "Govt" is planning with the new world order? I mean i wonder if this stuff is coming out so we won't think about this . maybe i am not understanding it. i don't know. it goes along with other philosophies about not thinking.

i just think maybe? this is just new age stuff to keep us off track.

[soglad]

Ah you're welcome honey:D Books always make their way to you when you need them most. They do with me anyway, either by appearing randomly in a shop or recommended by a friend etc, they just have a knack.

I'm 'so glad' you're living in the NOW & enjoying life, good on ya, lol!!:)

I'll have to check out A New Earth soon too....

Yeah, I came across it at Singapore airport when I was on my way to Australia, it gave me a lot of information that I feel helped me deal with the change a lot!

[tejas]

what i don't understand with the living in the now is that he said you shouldn't think about the past and the future well how about the future our "Govt" is planning with the new world order? I mean i wonder if this stuff is coming out so we won't think about this . maybe i am not understanding it. i don't know. it goes along with other philosophies about not thinking.

i just think maybe? this is just new age stuff to keep us off track.

Ive read like a fifth of it and I have to agree with you.

But what he says does make sense.

:S

[lookfar]

Yeah, I came across it at Singapore airport when I was on my way to Australia, it gave me a lot of information that I feel helped me deal with the change a lot!

Great stuff, I'm pleased you came across it when you needed it. The NOW is the place to be for sure!!:D

[tintin]

I have just started reading this book. Seems very interesting and was wondering if others have read it and have an opinion on it?

I was a fan of the guy as well.
Completely controlled by the boys.

They all are.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

Ive read like a fifth of it and I have to agree with you.

But what he says does make sense.

:S


also i question why there is 200 copies of them in two shelves in the book store. i mean yeah its a popular book but it was hyped.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

I was a fan of the guy as well.
Completely controlled by the boys.

They all are.

you mean illumanti?

[tejas]

I was a fan of the guy as well.
Completely controlled by the boys.

They all are.

Yes this is what I was trying to get at.

However alot of what he says does tie in to what I believe.

Just trying to seperate the wheat from the chaff......

[baron von lotsov]

Yeah this guy is awesome. I highly recommend his books/speeches to everyone. He and Icke are my top 2 fav authors/speakers.:)

He has lots of videos on youtube.


And he is associated with Findhorn. Do you know what Findhorn is? If not then refer back to one of the millions of previous discussions we have had on agent Tolle.

[soglad]

Yes, Tolle is a agent of what, exactly?

[intruder]

And he is associated with Findhorn. Do you know what Findhorn is? If not then refer back to one of the millions of previous discussions we have had on agent Tolle.

And I ask you baron...WHO is Tolle an "agent" for? I'm assuming that you're a fundamentalist Christian and that your reasoning stems from Tolle leading people away from the "gospel truth"...(Go spell...)
"he is associated with Findhoen" you say....AND!?!? Yes, he has a Cd and DVD release from a talk that he gave at Findhorn...AND!?!?!?
David Icke spoke at Mount Shasta that does make him an "agent" of the Great White Brotherhood and The "I AM" movement that still holds "ascended master" pageants there every year. Just curious about your insidious "agent Tolle" comment. Care to illumine this further?

[anoninnyc]

i have read both the power of now and a new earth. i find a new earth to be much more practical and helpful in implementing changes in your daily life. great stuff. very useful in gaining mastery over your ego.

[baron von lotsov]

And I ask you baron...WHO is Tolle an "agent" for? I'm assuming that you're a fundamentalist Christian and that your reasoning stems from Tolle leading people away from the "gospel truth"...(Go spell...)
"he is associated with Findhoen" you say....AND!?!? Yes, he has a Cd and DVD release from a talk that he gave at Findhorn...AND!?!?!?
David Icke spoke at Mount Shasta that does make him an "agent" of the Great White Brotherhood and The "I AM" movement that still holds "ascended master" pageants there every year. Just curious about your insidious "agent Tolle" comment. Care to illumine this further?


I think we covered Mount Shasta last year. I think it might have been over on the old Icke forum. We even got a reply from the people who run it so yes I am aware of whom they are. Now the whole point I'm trying to make is that in order to avoid getting taken to the cleaners you people must use your own abilities and check things out for yourself. You see I might be able to let you know something is not right about Findhorn and that it is essentially run by Satanists but the next con that comes along you will all be on your own, so how will you know. The answer is diligent research and you need to practice it.

[tejas]

well its not exactly as if u can type it into google and then bingo! is it?

[intruder]

Perhaps Eckhart himself is being misled, I don't know. Who has dominion over the "NOW"? We do...in THIS moment we can make a choice whether we replay tired and worn out tape loops over why this happened, or why that happened, and how we're victimized by it all...or,we can learn to awaken to something greater than the "stories" we tell ourself. Does "satan" have dominion over the "NOW"...does "satan" have dominion over the light? Perhaps he does in YOUR world, and more power to the two of you. It seems to me that the very thing that Eckhart awakens his audience to is something that "satan" would not want. Satan wants you conscripted to dogma, superstition, ritual,fear, ...THE PAST...what else does "satan" have, because he certainly has no future. Not even the greatest philosopher could argue with the statement.."it is always NOW", well, he could, but he would only frustrate himself in the process.
Perhaps you haven't experienced enough personal pain, and the replaying of old "stories" again and again to fully appreciate why people gravitate to the ultimate simplicity of "Eckhart's" message, which isn't HIS message as much as it is the message of life itself. The timelessness of "Eckhart's" message reverberates through ALL the teachers, past and present, and it certainly isn't "his" message.
That's why I brought up the issue of "fundamentalism", because only a fundamentalist who "KNOWS" the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth would argue against Eckhart's message based on the fact that this philosophy doesn't place Jesus, Yahweh, or Allah as the centerpiece of it.
So don't start and stop with Eckhart Tolle...you now have to include Allan Watts, Ramana Maharshi, Paramahansa Yogananda, Swami Prabupad, Pema Chodron, Gangaji, Krishnamurti, etc....as ALL being complicit in a satanic conspiracy to draw people away from the "gospel truth"...a loving truth, which IF NOT ACCEPTED FULLY AND COMPLETELY DAMNS YOU TO ETERNAL HELL!!! Such love I can do without.

[baron von lotsov]

well its not exactly as if u can type it into google and then bingo! is it?


But then it would not be your research, it would be someone elses.

Not everything is served up on a plate but a little looking around and it might start to make sense. Here try this.

David Spangler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[chicken]

"The New Earth" = The New World Order

Read it again - you have been sucked in. They said the nwo order begins with the new age. I can see it - why can't you. Living in the now - you have no future. No I am not being negative - read it again.......

chicken

[gorgeousbutterfly]

"The New Earth" = The New World Order

Read it again - you have been sucked in. They said the nwo order begins with the new age. I can see it - why can't you. Living in the now - you have no future. No I am not being negative - read it again.......

chicken


excatly. that is what i see also. :( i mean they going to make the world a hell of a place what the hell are we going to do about it if people are living in the "Now? ugh :(

[gorgeousbutterfly]

thats excatly what the satanists to want for you to think because there is no dogma and it seems all fluffy and positive that it must be good. well its not.

[baron von lotsov]

Oh and it was like completely blatant in my local paper this week. Some person calling himself a spiritual councillor wrote an article about how thinking can cause emotional distress and he could help them. The whole article was heavily using NLP and it was sickening.

[intruder]

you're giving "them" far too much power. Where else CAN you live but in the NOW? This isn't something Eckhart devised. I have talks from author Alan Watts going back over thirty years and he's basically saying the same thing. Perhaps Jesus was saying the same thing with..."take no thought for the 'morrow.." meaning, don't be so concerned with might happen then...and miss the point of being alive NOW. "Lest ye become as little children you shall in no way enter the kingdom of heaven", said Jesus. Well...is he implying that we should all become as naive as children? Yes, he was...with a childs trust that allows for a shift in consciousness to take place, placing no thought on the "morrow". What IS the kingdom of heaven anyway? I'm sure that he was implying a state of mind....his audience needed parables to comprehend the deeper truths that he was referring to. IMHO. NO...you are NOT to sit mindlessly in the NOW (and I can tell that alot of you critics have NOT read, or at least failed to understand Eckhart's message)..you are to be FULLY AWAKE in the NOW. Being centered...stoping the endless spin cycles of tape loops over and over again. Repeating the same worn out programs of "if only then, THEN I can be fulfilled...WELL, THAT happened then, leaving me unfulfilled NOW...WHEN will I be loved, when will I have the perfect job, why did my mother drop me?" NO..it is to awaken you to the fact that truly we are our own worst enemies at times...AND our own best friend!!
Eckhart has NOTHING to do with "manifesting your desires" etc.It's bout fulfillment NOW

[intruder]

"The New Earth" = The New World Order

Read it again - you have been sucked in. They said the nwo order begins with the new age. I can see it - why can't you. Living in the now - you have no future. No I am not being negative - read it again.......

chicken Your fear of the "new earth" is plainly rooted in Judeo-Christian thinking...I THINK, and forgive me if I'm wrong. However, the book of Revelation is where Eckhart drew his inspiration for the title "The New Earth". Remember, John was on Patmos receiving visions of the future..and after all was said and done..."and behold...I saw a new heaven and a new earth.."
So...with your line of reasoning....the new world order agenda was already being worked out 2000 years ago within the book of revelation itself..making all the Christian theology just another trap.

There's a part of you that likes to feel "superior" in pointing out where other's have been "sucked in", and that's understandable...you're in the complete grip of ego.

[tejas]

you're giving "them" far too much power. Where else CAN you live but in the NOW? This isn't something Eckhart devised. I have talks from author Alan Watts going back over thirty years and he's basically saying the same thing. Perhaps Jesus was saying the same thing with..."take no thought for the 'morrow.." meaning, don't be so concerned with might happen then...and miss the point of being alive NOW. "Lest ye become as little children you shall in no way enter the kingdom of heaven", said Jesus. Well...is he implying that we should all become as naive as children? Yes, he was...with a childs trust that allows for a shift in consciousness to take place, placing no thought on the "morrow". What IS the kingdom of heaven anyway? I'm sure that he was implying a state of mind....his audience needed parables to comprehend the deeper truths that he was referring to. IMHO. NO...you are NOT to sit mindlessly in the NOW (and I can tell that alot of you critics have NOT read, or at least failed to understand Eckhart's message)..you are to be FULLY AWAKE in the NOW. Being centered...stoping the endless spin cycles of tape loops over and over again. Repeating the same worn out programs of "if only then, THEN I can be fulfilled...WELL, THAT happened then, leaving me unfulfilled NOW...WHEN will I be loved, when will I have the perfect job, why did my mother drop me?" NO..it is to awaken you to the fact that truly we are our own worst enemies at times...AND our own best friend!!
Eckhart has NOTHING to do with "manifesting your desires" etc.It's bout fulfillment NOW

Intruder I agree with alot of what you say and understand what you mean.
Anyone who has had personal experience of this nowness that you speak of will understand as well. Indeed eckhartes message is not his own but simpley the repeating of the old messages of all time.

However there is something that I am not sure of in him or his philosophys and I can't quite put it my finger on what it is. So far everything he has said emnates truly with what I believe, however the doubt still remains.

All lies are never told outright, rather you always mix poison with something sweet...

[baron von lotsov]

Lets rephrase the title shall we.

The power of Murdoch.

Yes, this is Tolle's power via Harper Collins. I'm sure he is on your side and helping you to cope with all your NWO problems!

[phoebe]

what i don't understand with the living in the now is that he said you shouldn't think about the past and the future well how about the future our "Govt" is planning with the new world order? I mean i wonder if this stuff is coming out so we won't think about this . maybe i am not understanding it. i don't know. it goes along with other philosophies about not thinking.

i just think maybe? this is just new age stuff to keep us off track.

It's not saying you shouldn't think about past or future
Just that most people live their entire lives through
the past and the future and totally miss the present moment.
For example, a bad memory can affect someone for the rest of their life.
Fear of a perceived future threat (such as the 'NWO') can affect someone's
entire life.
Tolle talks of the Isness of things
(ancient eastern philosophy, nothing new age about it at all).
If there's something in your life now that you don't like,
change it, and if it's not possible to change it, accept it
and save yourself much grief, fear and heartache.

Also he doesn't tell us not to think.
That would be ridiculous.
Rather, that we shouldn't identify our thoughts as being US.

[mountain]

It's not saying you shouldn't think about past or future
Just that most people live their entire lives through
the past and the future and totally miss the present moment.
For example, a bad memory can affect someone for the rest of their life.
Fear of a perceived future threat (such as the 'NWO') can affect someone's
entire life.
Tolle talks of the Isness of things
(ancient eastern philosophy, nothing new age about it at all).
If there's something in your life now that you don't like,
change it, and if it's not possible to change it, accept it
and save yourself much grief, fear and heartache.

Also he doesn't tell us not to think.
That would be ridiculous.
Rather, that we shouldn't identify our thoughts as being US.

David Icke also has this philosophy of living in the NOW where he states that the past, present and future exist simultaneously. Also, I have read at least ten other books that have this philosophy. I believe The Secret is the less technical version available.

[phoebe]

Anyway in answer to the original post:
I think Tolle's books are fantastic.
So simplisticly written and so beautiful.

Of course Tolle is going to be called an agent by
the diehard conspiracists because there appears to be
'evidence' for it in his books... (conspiracists find their evidence anywhere).

He teaches us to live in the now and accept things we can't change
so straightaway the sceptics say 'oh look, he's telling us to lay down
and accept the new world order!'.
Which of course, he isn't saying at all...

He's saying that the nwo (and anything else) is only ever as real as the thought you have about it.
He's saying that if you don't like your life then change it.
He's saying if you can't change it, accept it (after all, what else CAN
you do if you can't change it?)
This is very empowering because if applied correctly to your life
you can save yourself years of pain, guilt, and family feuds etc.
He's saying that all those negative thoughts you have
aren't really YOU, and that there's no need to pay them any heed.

Hmmm, very empowering words, not convinced at all that they were
written by someone wanting to dumb us down.

[phoebe]

"The New Earth" = The New World Order

Read it again - you have been sucked in. They said the nwo order begins with the new age. I can see it - why can't you. Living in the now - you have no future. No I am not being negative - read it again.......

chicken

Perhaps 'they' are corrupting the phrase like they do everything else?
Think about it...
A new world order is born every moment.
There's nothing you or I or anyone can do to stop it.
Living in the now doesn't mean you don't have a future...
I think it is you who should go back and reread...
He says there's nothing wrong in thinking about the future
But spending your entire life, using the present moment
as a stepping stone to the future is a waste of life.

[intruder]

I wish that I could strip away some of the mysticism surrounding the "now" as taught by Eckhart Tolle. HE doesn't use the following example, this is my own.

Imagine a violin player, or anyone within an orchestra for that matter. He's the principal violinist awaiting the cue from the conductor that the symphony is about to begin. Hopefully, the musician is poised, focused, centered, and breathing deep. This musician KNOWS that the symphony has 4 movements within it that will cover ALOT of territory, not only on his instrument, but emotionally as well.It has a beginning, a middle, and an end. He CAN'T be thinking..."HOT DAMN...68 bars from now comes one of the most difficult passages that I'VE EVER HAD to play..!!!!" No...he's poised, IN THE MOMENT, in the ONLY place that the WHOLE orchestra CAN BE...which is here and NOW. Nor can he smugly think..."ha!! those first 24 bars were a breeze...." To do that could cause him to miss his place within the framework of the symphony. The conductor as well as the musicians MUST be focused on what they are doing...NOW.Attention to this one and only moment enhances the chances of a more unified experience for the musicians as well as the audience. Neither the orchestra nor the audience can be in a heated rush to get to the end of the symphony and thereby miss all the beauty of it along the way. YAY!!!!!!!!!! the fastest player wins!! and the music is destroyed.

Eckhart does NOT suggest that we abdicate responsibility for ourselves and the earth by contemplating our navels all day. If you wish to get "active"..then get ACTIVE, but just KNOW that your "future" steps are being determined now. We've ALL heard the phrase..."the journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step." NO less and NO more! Take responsibility for that step NOW....what other choice DO you have?

[phoebe]

David Icke also has this philosophy of living in the NOW where he states that the past, present and future exist simultaneously. Also, I have read at least ten other books that have this philosophy. I believe The Secret is the less technical version available.

Indeed, it's nothing new at all, these teachings are ancient.
Which is why it's irritating to hear people call them 'new age'.

[phoebe]

I wish that I could strip away some of the mysticism surrounding the "now" as taught by Eckhart Tolle. HE doesn't use the following example, this is my own.

Imagine a violin player, or anyone within an orchestra for that matter. He's the principal violinist awaiting the cue from the conductor that the symphony is about to begin. Hopefully, the musician is poised, focused, centered, and breathing deep. This musician KNOWS that the symphony has 4 movements within it that will cover ALOT of territory, not only on his instrument, but emotionally as well.It has a beginning, a middle, and an end. He CAN'T be thinking..."HOT DAMN...68 bars from now comes one of the most difficult passages that I'VE EVER HAD to play..!!!!" No...he's poised, IN THE MOMENT, in the ONLY place that the WHOLE orchestra CAN BE...which is here and NOW. Nor can he smugly think..."ha!! those first 24 bars were a breeze...." To do that could cause him to miss his place within the framework of the symphony. The conductor as well as the musicians MUST be focused on what they are doing...NOW.Attention to this one and only moment enhances the chances of a more unified experience for the musicians as well as the audience. Neither the orchestra nor the audience can be in a heated rush to get to the end of the symphony and thereby miss all the beauty of it along the way. YAY!!!!!!!!!! the fastest player wins!! and the music is destroyed.

Eckhart does NOT suggest that we abdicate responsibility for ourselves and the earth by contemplating our navels all day. If you wish to get "active"..then get ACTIVE, but just KNOW that your "future" steps are being determined now. We've ALL heard the phrase..."the journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step." NO less and NO more! Take responsibility for that step NOW....what other choice DO you have?

Superb post.
It's funny how some see such positive 'teachings'
as so disempowering, yet spend hours per day
reading and researching and immersing themselves in
'conspiracy'... look closely, or as close as you can by
observing someone on an internet forum...
do those people seem happy to you?

[intruder]

Lets rephrase the title shall we.

The power of Murdoch.

Yes, this is Tolle's power via Harper Collins. I'm sure he is on your side and helping you to cope with all your NWO problems!


Well baron, you've got lots of explaining to do. The Power of Now was published by Namaste publishing. It's popularity grew by word of mouth. I've NEVER seen any of his books published by Harper-Collins. And YES...1 or 2 of his titles have been published by.....wait for it....New World Library!!
And what does Rupert Murdoch care!?!?! If it sells, it sells..he could care less about the message.

[phoebe]

My copy of the Power of Now is published by Hodder & Stoughton...
not that I think this has any bearing...
as intruder says, if it's gonna make money, it'll get published
regardless of the message.
Fact is, it doesn't matter how good the message is (and this one is
particularly good, imo)
because most people will misread, misinterpret and misuse it
(as is evident on this thread) and 'they' know that.

Relatively few people will actually make any real life affirming changes
to their lives because of the book, because of the other 'mechanisms'
in place to ensure the opposite in fact becomes true.
To most people, unfortunately, the Power of Now is just 'a good book'.

[intruder]

and a cat's paw back to you phoebe!!! And you know....I don't feel any superior in being in complete agreement with you on Eckhart and his books.

Shouldn't "WE" feel better or superior to "them"? No we shouldn't, and we don't. Sometimes, when I listen to Eckhart, I feel as if I'm listening to some wise, old, cat talking (and YES, I'm aware that cats don't "talk") The Power of Now came to me at an emotional low point in my life...I found that reading and then listening to the book to be very beneficial. Instead of replaying the "tape loops" with SUCH fearsome intensity, things he would say just made sense...and I ALLOWED myself to step back....take some deep breaths....and go easy on myself, stop the mental self abuse etc.

I've found that centering myself more "in the moment" has allowed me to step back and watch this INCREDIBLE symphony of consciousness display itself before me with even greater intensity and awe.

I TOTALLY understand those with reservations about certain "teachings"...but then I need to know what kind of gauge is being used to evaluate the validity of these teachings. Opinions come and go....I can only speak from personal experience on this.

[anoninnyc]

Relatively few people will actually make any real life affirming changes
to their lives because of the book, because of the other 'mechanisms'
in place to ensure the opposite in fact becomes true.
To most people, unfortunately, the Power of Now is just 'a good book'.

true. power of now was just a good book for me, years later read a new earth and it was so much more. maybe it was the place i was at in my life, but i think that a new earth has more practical advise on how to control your ego. i am far from perfect and still have ego flare ups, but i have managed to control them much better than before. it is because i am conscious of it now and actually realize when it is happening.

[intruder]

true. power of now was just a good book for me, years later read a new earth and it was so much more. maybe it was the place i was at in my life, but i think that a new earth has more practical advise on how to control your ego. i am far from perfect and still have ego flare ups, but i have managed to control them much better than before. it is because i am conscious of it now and actually realize when it is happening.


I agree anon, A New Earth should almost be read first. I like what you said about "realizing".....I used to replay self-destructive "tape-loops" much more in my head and become TOTALLY identified with the thought form....not even aware that I have a choice to step OUT of this drama. My ego still flares up, but the duration and intensity of the "drama" has diminished.

[phoebe]

and a cat's paw back to you phoebe!!! And you know....I don't feel any superior in being in complete agreement with you on Eckhart and his books.

Shouldn't "WE" feel better or superior to "them"? No we shouldn't, and we don't. Sometimes, when I listen to Eckhart, I feel as if I'm listening to some wise, old, cat talking (and YES, I'm aware that cats don't "talk") The Power of Now came to me at an emotional low point in my life...I found that reading and then listening to the book to be very beneficial. Instead of replaying the "tape loops" with SUCH fearsome intensity, things he would say just made sense...and I ALLOWED myself to step back....take some deep breaths....and go easy on myself, stop the mental self abuse etc.

I've found that centering myself more "in the moment" has allowed me to step back and watch this INCREDIBLE symphony of consciousness display itself before me with even greater intensity and awe.

I TOTALLY understand those with reservations about certain "teachings"...but then I need to know what kind of gauge is being used to evaluate the validity of these teachings. Opinions come and go....I can only speak from personal experience on this.

Pussy says meooow lol

The thing is that anyone who is even slightly true to themselves
cannot fail to see the 'truth' within this book.
Everybody has succumbed to the 'insanity' of obsessive thought
Everybody has had ego try to get them to believe something
about themselves or other people... etc.

Eckhart Tolle pointed me to my very first 'realisation of enlightenment'.
That was the day I burnt every conspiracy book I owned. :D

[tejas]

You misunderstand what I am asking.

What is the use of knowing every conspiracy known to man and have no real knowledge?

What good is it if a man gains the whole world yet looses his soul?


This is far more important - knowledge of self!

I agree with alot of what Eckharte says, he is not saying anything new.

I still feel there is something missing though...

[phoebe]

You misunderstand what I am asking.

What is the use of knowing every conspiracy known to man and have no real knowledge?


This is far more important - knowledge of self!

I agree with alot of what Eckharte says, he is not saying anything new.

I still feel there is something missing though...

It doesn't matter if it isn't new.
And for me it makes it more real that it isn't some newfangled philosophy.
The message is still a good one and it's written in a much more
accessible way than much of the old eastern teachings
and in a way that we can identify with (for want of a better word :rolleyes:) and can be applied to our modern lifestyles.


Oh...
and it's your ego that's thinking there's something missing lol :D:D:D:p

Edited to say:
The thing that is missing is you.
You are nothing for want of a better word
but ego wants you think you're/it is something otherwise it's finished.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

so basically you are just going to be passive? :rolleyes:

[phoebe]

so basically you are just going to be passive? :rolleyes:

Do you actually read what people write here?
Or does it go sailing completely over your head and into the blue yonder?

[gorgeousbutterfly]

so you burnt your conspriacy books so now you won't know what's REALLY going in the real world. so you can't help stop the new world order. you know that they plan to put us in concentration camps? its a TRAP. i am not saying power of now is a bad book i havent read the whole book . but if this is what you are getting from the book then its a trap.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

Do you actually read what people write here?
Or does it go sailing completely over your head and into the blue yonder?

ok and who is thinking with their ego now?:rolleyes:

[tejas]

It doesn't matter if it isn't new.
And for me it makes it more real that it isn't some newfangled philosophy.
The message is still a good one and it's written in a much more
accessible way than much of the old eastern teachings
and in a way that we can identify with (for want of a better word :rolleyes:) and can be applied to our modern lifestyles.


Oh...
and it's your ego that's thinking there's something missing lol :D:D:D:p

Edited to say:
The thing that is missing is you.
You are nothing for want of a better word
but ego wants you think you're/it is something otherwise it's finished.

Certainly. It is my true self that is missing. Or is it?

[intruder]

so basically you are just going to be passive? :rolleyes:

Hi gorgeous! It seems as if you're more concerned about the way others may react to this book and its teachings as opposed to seeing if it has any direct relevance to YOUR experience. There is a great power in stillness....and from this place of quiet power do all other sounds emanate. IS that passivity? Or is it a sublime awareness of something deeper.... and perhaps more meaningful by virtue of what "it" doesn't say than by what it does say.
The study of madness is not a cure for insanity. And as Eckhart (and Lao Tzu before him) has stated, the word are merely "signposts"...or, the map is not the territory.

[phoebe]

ok and who is thinking with their ego now?:rolleyes:

Ok... one point to you gorgeous.
But really - have you read what people have
answered in response to your question?
Knowing that there is nothing to fight only yourself
doesn't mean being passive.
And if you perceive it is passivity,
what is the alternative?
Aggression?

[gorgeousbutterfly]

well my suspicions have been confirmed by phoebe's post. i mean if she is going to burn her conspiracy books does that mean that now because she is so happpy with the being in the "Now" that she doesn't care about what happens in the future? I mean that is what i was worried about this book initially. i hope i am wrong. because that means is too much euphoria to be too concerned about our future.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

for example osho, he is a buddhist. and he doesn't have a clue what is going on in the world and doesn't care. i find that scary. he is so enlightened that he doesn't care :(

[tejas]

for example osho, he is a buddhist. and he doesn't have a clue what is going on in the world and doesn't care. i find that scary. he is so enlightened that he doesn't care :(

If he doesn't care it seems like he is indeed truly enlightened !:cool:

[gorgeousbutterfly]

If he doesn't care it seems like he is indeed truly enlightened !:cool:


you don't see how that is wrong? do you know what those bloody reptilians are planning for us? that was what i meant by it being a trap that was made by the these reptilians themselves. they made this new age crap .

[tejas]

you don't see how that is wrong? do you know what those bloody reptilians are planning for us? that was what i meant by it being a trap that was made by the these reptilians themselves. they made this new age crap .

I understand what your saying - Im thinking the same.

But in my opinion this way of thinking is just routing us in the physical reality that we see around us.

Enlightenment means transcending that reality so you are above it. When you are above that reality and past that illusion what bad thing could possibly happen to you?

I'll openly admit that I could be wrong.

[mountain]

Me personally do not think reptilians are the threat, but I believe that evil can take any form it chooses and prefer certain attributes.

Also, never read the book but have read others suggesting to live in the NOW, and I interpret this as making positive changes for yourself and others around you. Controlling your thoughts so that othose of others canmnot infiltrate your mind.

[chandrakavi]

Osho is not part of ANY tradition,Buddhism or any other,he was For true religion and against ALL Organized Religions, the same as Buddha before Buddha left his body and BUDDHISM came into the scene.
Buddha and all true masters ask you to search in your inner self, Buddha asked not to make any statues of him, and the exact opposite was done
by his disciples. While the master is alive things run well, when he leaves
this world, the exact opposite of what was taught is done.

Organized religions are made by UNENLIGHTENED DISCIPLES.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

Osho is not part of ANY tradition,Buddhism or any other,he was For true religion and against ALL Organized Religions, the same as Buddha before Buddha left his body and BUDDHISM came into the scene.
Buddha and all true masters ask you to search in your inner self, Buddha asked not to make any statues of him, and the exact opposite was done
by his disciples. While the master is alive things run well, when he leaves
this world, the exact opposite of what was taught is done.

Organized religions are made by UNENLIGHTENED DISCIPLES.

buddhism has been corrupted by by disinfo in the early years. he is the true buddhist. not an organized religion no.

[rossus]

i have my doubts about how deep Osho was enlightened though.
he knows what he is talking about, but his teachings don't seem very helpful.
i think he is better at entertaining minds than helping people transcend them with their heart.

[soglad]

I'm absolutely shocked some people think Eckhart Tolle is NWO!!!

I mean come ON people!! Everything is NOT a god-damn conspiracy theory!! I mean, YES, we ARE being fucked over in our daily world, but not by every single guy who comes along!!

Again, another guy who comes over and tells us to live in peace getting shot down by the people who WANT TO CONTINUE FIGHTING. That's what is happening here, you LIKE fighting. You LIKE having new enemies, and think you're always fighting for a good cause (doesn't everyone), and fighting the RIGHT enemy, yet fail to see that you're just perpetuating the bullshit and creating more enemies in your delusional mind-set along with your chosen enemy.

Why, prey, would a NWO agent tell us to repel against the system and not live by the system? Isn't that just BIZARE or am I missing some of his other NWO tactics?

A New Earth DOES NOT mean a New World Order! How can you make that comparison?! Given that most people believe we are going through serious world changes, why pick Eckhart and stamp the NWO label on him? David Icke says that the world is going to go through serious changes and we shall ascend to new states of consciousness afterward. Is he NWO? John Lennon sung a song about creating a new world of peace and happiness, is he NWO agent?

Thinking IS the cancer of the mind! How many times have you seen someone deny themselves a life-changing moment, or convince themselves they're not good enough for something by over-thinking? Eckhark is NOT saying "Do not think.". This is impossible, we always think. He is saying don't OVERTHINK.

Anyways, I've said my bit. Hopefully we won't shoot down anyone who comes along bringing peace and happiness with the NWO agent bullshit anymore.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

i have my doubts about how deep Osho was enlightened though.
he knows what he is talking about, but his teachings don't seem very helpful.
he is better at entertaining minds than helping people transcend their minds.

So who do you think is helpful? :D

[tejas]

Isnt Osho dead now? Or am I thinking of someone else?

[soglad]

And he is associated with Findhorn. Do you know what Findhorn is? If not then refer back to one of the millions of previous discussions we have had on agent Tolle.

Ok Baron, everything with you seems to be an NWO trap.

Can you please, for my own good, give me a list of people I can safey say are NOT NWO, since you are so proficient in that area, and obviously are more knowledgeable in this area.

Thanks!

:)

[phoebe]

Isnt Osho dead now? Or am I thinking of someone else?

OSHO was murdered.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

I'm absolutely shocked some people think Eckhart Tolle is NWO!!!

I mean come ON people!! Everything is NOT a god-damn conspiracy theory!! I mean, YES, we ARE being fucked over in our daily world, but not by every single guy who comes along!!

Again, another guy who comes over and tells us to live in peace getting shot down by the people who WANT TO CONTINUE FIGHTING. That's what is happening here, you LIKE fighting. You LIKE having new enemies, and think you're always fighting for a good cause (doesn't everyone), and fighting the RIGHT enemy, yet fail to see that you're just perpetuating the bullshit and creating more enemies in your delusional mind-set along with your chosen enemy.

Why, prey, would a NWO agent tell us to repel against the system and not live by the system? Isn't that just BIZARE or am I missing some of his other NWO tactics?

A New Earth DOES NOT mean a New World Order! How can you make that comparison?! Given that most people believe we are going through serious world changes, why pick Eckhart and stamp the NWO label on him? David Icke says that the world is going to go through serious changes and we shall ascend to new states of consciousness afterward. Is he NWO? John Lennon sung a song about creating a new world of peace and happiness, is he NWO agent?

Thinking IS the cancer of the mind! How many times have you seen someone deny themselves a life-changing moment, or convince themselves they're not good enough for something by over-thinking? Eckhark is NOT saying "Do not think.". This is impossible, we always think. He is saying don't OVERTHINK.

Anyways, I've said my bit. Hopefully we won't shoot down anyone who comes along bringing peace and happiness with the NWO agent bullshit anymore.


I do not think he is promoting the new world order i just wonder what is going when people read his books and then stop caring about what happens in the future ? I was just suspicious of this. and it scares me . because i think you should care . thats all. :(

[tejas]

I'm absolutely shocked some people think Eckhart Tolle is NWO!!!

I mean come ON people!! Everything is NOT a god-damn conspiracy theory!! I mean, YES, we ARE being fucked over in our daily world, but not by every single guy who comes along!!

Again, another guy who comes over and tells us to live in peace getting shot down by the people who WANT TO CONTINUE FIGHTING. That's what is happening here, you LIKE fighting. You LIKE having new enemies, and think you're always fighting for a good cause (doesn't everyone), and fighting the RIGHT enemy, yet fail to see that you're just perpetuating the bullshit and creating more enemies in your delusional mind-set along with your chosen enemy.

Why, prey, would a NWO agent tell us to repel against the system and not live by the system? Isn't that just BIZARE or am I missing some of his other NWO tactics?

A New Earth DOES NOT mean a New World Order! How can you make that comparison?! Given that most people believe we are going through serious world changes, why pick Eckhart and stamp the NWO label on him? David Icke says that the world is going to go through serious changes and we shall ascend to new states of consciousness afterward. Is he NWO? John Lennon sung a song about creating a new world of peace and happiness, is he NWO agent?

Thinking IS the cancer of the mind! How many times have you seen someone deny themselves a life-changing moment, or convince themselves they're not good enough for something by over-thinking? Eckhark is NOT saying "Do not think.". This is impossible, we always think. He is saying don't OVERTHINK.

Anyways, I've said my bit. Hopefully we won't shoot down anyone who comes along bringing peace and happiness with the NWO agent bullshit anymore.

Hmm thats not what I meant.

Fear is not the only way you can be controlled. Love can control you as well.

In the name of love the christian martyrs hurled themselves at the lions to proove their christ.

Think about it.

[chandrakavi]

I'm absolutely shocked some people think Eckhart Tolle is NWO!!!

I mean come ON people!! Everything is NOT a god-damn conspiracy theory!! I mean, YES, we ARE being fucked over in our daily world, but not by every single guy who comes along!!

Again, another guy who comes over and tells us to live in peace getting shot down by the people who WANT TO CONTINUE FIGHTING. That's what is happening here, you LIKE fighting. You LIKE having new enemies, and think you're always fighting for a good cause (doesn't everyone), and fighting the RIGHT enemy, yet fail to see that you're just perpetuating the bullshit and creating more enemies in your delusional mind-set along with your chosen enemy.

Why, prey, would a NWO agent tell us to repel against the system and not live by the system? Isn't that just BIZARE or am I missing some of his other NWO tactics?

A New Earth DOES NOT mean a New World Order! How can you make that comparison?! Given that most people believe we are going through serious world changes, why pick Eckhart and stamp the NWO label on him? David Icke says that the world is going to go through serious changes and we shall ascend to new states of consciousness afterward. Is he NWO? John Lennon sung a song about creating a new world of peace and happiness, is he NWO agent?

Thinking IS the cancer of the mind! How many times have you seen someone deny themselves a life-changing moment, or convince themselves they're not good enough for something by over-thinking? Eckhark is NOT saying "Do not think.". This is impossible, we always think. He is saying don't OVERTHINK.

Anyways, I've said my bit. Hopefully we won't shoot down anyone who comes along bringing peace and happiness with the NWO agent bullshit anymore.


Eckhart Tolle is a Buddha, the word Buddha means AN ENLIGHTENED ONE,
if someone is enlightened he or she is a Buddha.
E.Tolle is definetly NOT nwo, HE IS A SPIRITUAL MASTER,
i READ The power of now AND SEEN SOME OF HIS VIDEOS, AND HE IS EXCELLENT.!!!

[phoebe]

I'm absolutely shocked some people think Eckhart Tolle is NWO!!!

I mean come ON people!! Everything is NOT a god-damn conspiracy theory!! I mean, YES, we ARE being fucked over in our daily world, but not by every single guy who comes along!!

Again, another guy who comes over and tells us to live in peace getting shot down by the people who WANT TO CONTINUE FIGHTING. That's what is happening here, you LIKE fighting. You LIKE having new enemies, and think you're always fighting for a good cause (doesn't everyone), and fighting the RIGHT enemy, yet fail to see that you're just perpetuating the bullshit and creating more enemies in your delusional mind-set along with your chosen enemy.

Why, prey, would a NWO agent tell us to repel against the system and not live by the system? Isn't that just BIZARE or am I missing some of his other NWO tactics?

A New Earth DOES NOT mean a New World Order! How can you make that comparison?! Given that most people believe we are going through serious world changes, why pick Eckhart and stamp the NWO label on him? David Icke says that the world is going to go through serious changes and we shall ascend to new states of consciousness afterward. Is he NWO? John Lennon sung a song about creating a new world of peace and happiness, is he NWO agent?

Thinking IS the cancer of the mind! How many times have you seen someone deny themselves a life-changing moment, or convince themselves they're not good enough for something by over-thinking? Eckhark is NOT saying "Do not think.". This is impossible, we always think. He is saying don't OVERTHINK.

Anyways, I've said my bit. Hopefully we won't shoot down anyone who comes along bringing peace and happiness with the NWO agent bullshit anymore.


Yep.
I'm afraid that on most levels
'conspiracy' and 'spirituality' just do not mix.
You will find that most people 'are' either one or the other.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

Yep.
I'm afraid that on most levels
'conspiracy' and 'spirituality' just do not mix.
You will find that most people 'are' either one or the other.

its not balanced then. i am a lot more spirtual. i do believe in living in the now but now when you don't care about the future. that just seems out of balance too.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

OSHO was murdered.


:eek::eek::eek::eek: no way?

[soglad]

He's not saying don't care about the future!!!! MY GOD WHERE DID YOU GET THAT FROM!!!

He's saying WORK AND FOCUS ON THE PRESENT TO MAKE THE FUTURE BETTER and not to over-analyse the future while you're working in the present as to not affect the future outcome!

Who said DON'T CARE? My God!!! Not over-thinking doens't mean you don't care!!

[phoebe]

well my suspicions have been confirmed by phoebe's post. i mean if she is going to burn her conspiracy books does that mean that now because she is so happpy with the being in the "Now" that she doesn't care about what happens in the future? I mean that is what i was worried about this book initially. i hope i am wrong. because that means is too much euphoria to be too concerned about our fut

I'm not going to burn my conspiracy books
I DID burn them some years ago.
Let me tell you that I don't practice being in the now
anywhere near as much as I should but I do see the
benefits when I do.
Also, it still seems as if you haven't actually read
anything that people are writing here...
Being in the Now does not mean you stop caring about the future.
It means you stop obsessing about the future.
Because the future is uncertain so what's the point of worrying about it.
You can take steps to ensure a better future for yourself,
but the only thing that is truly real at any time is NOW.
The future never comes, all you have is here and now.
And that's all you ever shall have.

btw: who said anything about euphoria?

[soglad]

Hmm thats not what I meant.

Fear is not the only way you can be controlled. Love can control you as well.

In the name of love the christian martyrs hurled themselves at the lions to proove their christ.

Think about it.

It wasn't aimed at you mate! :D

[gorgeousbutterfly]

He's not saying don't care about the future!!!! MY GOD WHERE DID YOU GET THAT FROM!!!

He's saying WORK AND FOCUS ON THE PRESENT TO MAKE THE FUTURE BETTER and not to over-analyse the future while you're working in the present as to not affect the future outcome!

Who said DON'T CARE? My God!!! Not over-thinking doens't mean you don't care!!

i didn't say he said that. i was wondering if phoebe was thinking that because she threw her or his? conspiracy books away. and like i said a lot of enlightened ones dont care what happens because they are in euphoria of just being. so when you are in that state you don't really care. like i said earlier osho was like that and i think? so was buddha.

[chandrakavi]

OSHO was murdered.

eXACTLY HE WAS POISONED WITH THALLIUM BY U.S. AGENTS
NWO PEOPLE fbi and cia agents....

[gorgeousbutterfly]

don't be mad ...:rolleyes:

[gorgeousbutterfly]

eXACTLY HE WAS POISONED WITH THALLIUM BY U.S. AGENTS
NWO PEOPLE fbi and cia agents....


how do we know this?

[mountain]

This is an excerpt of Paths of Empowerment

From Chapter 4, "The Intimate Dance of Beliefs and Emotions," Page 123
There are always a multitude of favorable probabilities from which to choose. Please be aware of this potential and do not busy yourself with worries. Worry is a supreme waste of energy in any situation. It creates a disturbing vibration in your field and drains you of energy. And how do you avoid worry? You must deal with your beliefs concerning what you choose to worry about. Release your need to be in charge or in control of everything. Replace your worry with a statement that affirms your choice of safety, comfort, and peace of mind. Learn more about yourself by paying attention to how you manage energy. Be aware of what no longer works by recognizing how your inner ruminations become the movie of life that you meet in the outside world.

[phoebe]

:eek::eek::eek::eek: no way?

Well, that's not the official story of course.
But it is said that Osho himself believed he was being slowly poisoned
by the authorities.
He died shortly afterwards.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

I'm not going to burn my conspiracy books
I DID burn them some years ago.
Let me tell you that I don't practice being in the now
anywhere near as much as I should but I do see the
benefits when I do.
Also, it still seems as if you haven't actually read
anything that people are writing here...
Being in the Now does not mean you stop caring about the future.
It means you stop obsessing about the future.
Because the future is uncertain so what's the point of worrying about it.
You can take steps to ensure a better future for yourself,
but the only thing that is truly real at any time is NOW.
The future never comes, all you have is here and now.
And that's all you ever shall have.

btw: who said anything about euphoria?

yes but like i said a lot of people like the author of the book, and osho and people truely enlightened stop caring about what is going on in the future. they don't even know what is going on. osho has said he doesnt' care. so that is why im getting agitated at this. i mean i am jumping to conclusions so i apologize. i was just suspicous but i didn't mean you didn't care or that people who follow the power of now do this.

[phoebe]

i didn't say he said that. i was wondering if phoebe was thinking that because she threw her or his? conspiracy books away. and like i said a lot of enlightened ones dont care what happens because they are in euphoria of just being. so when you are in that state you don't really care. like i said earlier osho was like that and i think? so was buddha.

I don't think that enlightened people 'don't care'
more like that they just see the futility of spending
a whole life worrying.

[tejas]

Yep.
I'm afraid that on most levels
'conspiracy' and 'spirituality' just do not mix.
You will find that most people 'are' either one or the other.

I don't agree with that.

I am merely saying that i feel there is something missing. Maybe it is merely the experience itself, whatever it is I do not know.

If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things

I am only speaking from personal experience. I have had many 'spiritual' experiences. At the time I felt that they were so real and true that I would die for them, that was my conviction that it was true. What I experienced felt so pure, so divine, so real. It had to be true...

Unfortunately they were nothing more then more smoke and mirrors.....

To see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour

[rossus]

OSHO was murdered.
according to sheela osho was in such a bad mental shape at the end of his life, he peed against the walls in his house on the ashram.
she says his drugaddiction was part of his downfall.

it might be possible that he was murdered by his sanyassins to protect the Osho brandname (which generates lots of dollars every year ;) )
before he totally ruined his reputation.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4401304488678688454&q=sheela+on+osho&hl=en
So who do you think is helpful? :D
i found Gangaji's book "the diamond" quite helpful...

Lately i'm reading some Nisargadatta Maharaj which also seems to help me quite a lot.
Another highly rated guru of who i've not yet read his teachings is Ramana Maharshi.


Compared to Nisargadatta & Ramana, Osho isn't much good.
in the page below you see Osho saying Nisargadatta is a fool... :rolleyes:
http://www.otoons.com/osho/askosho_nisargadatta_maharaj.htm

[chandrakavi]

how do we know this?

There are photos of FBI CIA people working against him, also CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS made by the US government. His personal physician
denounced that he had been poisoned by Thallium, and proved it medically while he was alive.
Read about it.

[tejas]

according to sheela osho was in such a bad mental shape at the end of his life, he peed against the walls in his house on the ashram.
she says his drugaddiction was part of his downfall.

it might be possible that he was murdered by his sanyassins to protect the Osho brandname (which generates lots of dollars every year ;) )
before he totally ruined his reputation.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4401304488678688454&q=sheela+on+osho&hl=en

i found Gangaji's book "the diamond" quite helpful...

Lately i'm reading some Nisargadatta Maharaj which also seems to help me quite a lot.
Another highly rated guru of who i've not yet read his teachings is Ramana Maharshi.


Compared to Nisargadatta & Ramana, Osho isn't much good.
in the page below you see Osho saying Nisargadatta is a fool... :rolleyes:
http://www.otoons.com/osho/askosho_nisargadatta_maharaj.htm

LOL that is very true.

I lived in india for a while and I can say Osho is quite accurate with this 'Beedie Baba' ;)

[rossus]

LOL that is very true.

I lived in india for a while and I can say Osho is quite accurate with this 'Beedie Baba' ;)
Explain further please :)

In my experience, Nisargadatta's teachings cut right through the Ego.
His way of explaining is perhaps a bit traditional... but it's extremely sharp and to the point.

With Osho i get the experience he's not helping others transcend their ego's,
but telling Ego's what they want to hear, so he would get popular and the Osho factory would generate a lot of money.

but please tell me more about how Osho is correct and 'Beedie Baba' is really a fool.
I'm interested to hear some good arguments.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

*goes out to buy power of now earnestly " will reallly read it this time . and then give my true opinion.

[tejas]

Explain further please :)

In my experience, Nisargadatta's teachings cut right through the Ego.
His way of explaining is perhaps a bit traditional... but it's extremely sharp and to the point.

With Osho i get the experience he's not helping others transcend their ego's,
but telling Ego's what they want to hear, so he would get popular and the Osho factory would generate a lot of money.

but please tell me more about how Osho is correct and 'Beedie Baba' is really a fool.
I'm interested to hear some good arguments.

I'm not talking specifically about Nisargadatta, but all 'Beedie Baba's in india. They are literally everywhere and can recite the same thing verbatim as if they had come up with it themselves.

India is great for spiritual insight, but its greatest asset is also its greatest flaw.[If you notice, my name is sanskrit for light]

Such is a nation steeped in mysticism, and possibley some self-delusion there as well!

[sevenworlds]

and like i said a lot of enlightened ones dont care what happens because they are in euphoria of just being. so when you are in that state you don't really care. like i said earlier osho was like that and i think? so was buddha.

It's not that they don't care. It just looks that way to the ego. Instead they see the totality, that at the deepest level, everything is as it should be. Words can only go so far in explaining this, you have to KNOW it for it to truly make sense. To know that you can still understand and have compassion for the 'bad' things that happen in this world but a part of you is also rooted deeper and knows that even the 'bad' things are part of the overall flow of the universe or God. There is a paradox here because although you know everything is as it should be you also know that you can take action at any moment to change something... because that is also part of the whole! :)

This state goes beyond thinking. It's not about abandoning thinking completely, it's about recognising that the mind is a tool, a very small part of who we are, but we have forgotten that and let the mind take us over so it is the master and we are the slave. The state of no-mind or no-thought scares the ego because the ego confuses that with no intelligence.

A good example of this are animals. When I've tried to explain to people that animals do not think they won't accept this because they believe they wouldn't be able to move, eat, and seemingly display intelligence. The intelligence doesn't come from the animal thinking, it comes from something deeper orchestrating its actions. The thing with the human ego is unfortunately it perceives everything through it's own filters. It's a cycle that perpetuates itself. So a person in the grip of ego or excessive thinking will perceive that animals must also be thinking to some degree. They aren't in touch with the part of themselves beyond the thinking mind to be aware that something else is going on. If you really watch some animals in action do you really believe they could be thinking THAT fast??

Once you are truly in touch with yourself beyond the mind, you see the pointlessness of getting caught up in conspiracy theories. They are fine to a point but not when it becomes all about fighting something or just arming yourself with more information. I'm sure Eckhart Tolle knows fine well that there are conspiracies all over the place but he doesn't speak of it in his books or talks because it would give the mind something else to sink it's teeth into and debate over and his purpose is to get people away from that because he knows that is truly where our power lies.

Being rooted in the NOW is the ONLY place to truly overcome the NWO. It's because we are not rooted there that they have all this power over us. Imagine if we didn't fear the future... we wouldn't need pension plans, mortgages, loans, and all the things that promise us a better life to come but cover up the present moment. And if we didn't regret the past... we'd live like everything was new and alive to us, we'd do things IN THE MOMENT, as required, without being influenced negatively by mistakes. The NWO would collapse because it's whole structure is based around us NOT living in the now.

To me, this is what David Icke is really starting to realise now. More and more this year the things he is talking about are resonating with Eckhart's philosophies (as has been said, they're not really his, he's just the vehicle for this) so anyone having having a pop at Eckhart must also feel the same way about Icke. Acquiring knowledge on conspiracies is a great way to initially open your mind but you can't stay there. The real power lies in the NOW and when enough people realise that this system will come crashing down.

[phoebe]

It's not that they don't care. It just looks that way to the ego. Instead they see the totality, that at the deepest level, everything is as it should be. Words can only go so far in explaining this, you have to KNOW it for it to truly make sense. To know that you can still understand and have compassion for the 'bad' things that happen in this world but a part of you is also rooted deeper and knows that even the 'bad' things are part of the overall flow of the universe or God. There is a paradox here because although you know everything is as it should be you also know that you can take action at any moment to change something... because that is also part of the whole! :)

This state goes beyond thinking. It's not about abandoning thinking completely, it's about recognising that the mind is a tool, a very small part of who we are, but we have forgotten that and let the mind take us over so it is the master and we are the slave. The state of no-mind or no-thought scares the ego because the ego confuses that with no intelligence.

A good example of this are animals. When I've tried to explain to people that animals do not think they won't accept this because they believe they wouldn't be able to move, eat, and seemingly display intelligence. The intelligence doesn't come from the animal thinking, it comes from something deeper orchestrating its actions. The thing with the human ego is unfortunately it perceives everything through it's own filters. It's a cycle that perpetuates itself. So a person in the grip of ego or excessive thinking will perceive that animals must also be thinking to some degree. They aren't in touch with the part of themselves beyond the thinking mind to be aware that something else is going on. If you really watch some animals in action do you really believe they could be thinking THAT fast??

Once you are truly in touch with yourself beyond the mind, you see the pointlessness of getting caught up in conspiracy theories. They are fine to a point but not when it becomes all about fighting something or just arming yourself with more information. I'm sure Eckhart Tolle knows fine well that there are conspiracies all over the place but he doesn't speak of it in his books or talks because it would give the mind something else to sink it's teeth into and debate over and his purpose is to get people away from that because he knows that is truly where our power lies.

Being rooted in the NOW is the ONLY place to truly overcome the NWO. It's because we are not rooted there that they have all this power over us. Imagine if we didn't fear the future... we wouldn't need pension plans, mortgages, loans, and all the things that promise us a better life to come but make it hard for us to live in the present moment. And if we didn't regret the past... we'd live like everything was new and alive to us, we'd do things IN THE MOMENT, as required, without being influenced negatively by mistakes. The NWO would collapse because it's whole structure is based around us NOT living in the now.

To me, this is what David Icke is really starting to realise now. More and more this year the things he is talking about are resonating with Eckhart's philosophies (as has been said, they're not really his, he's just the vehicle for this) so anyone having having a pop at Eckhart must also feel the same way about Icke. Acquiring knowledge on conspiracies is a great way to initially open your mind but you can't stay there. The real power lies in the NOW and when enough people realise that this system will come crashing down.

Nuff said.

[john white]

Explain further please :)

In my experience, Nisargadatta's teachings cut right through the Ego.
His way of explaining is perhaps a bit traditional... but it's extremely sharp and to the point.

With Osho i get the experience he's not helping others transcend their ego's,
but telling Ego's what they want to hear, so he would get popular and the Osho factory would generate a lot of money.

but please tell me more about how Osho is correct and 'Beedie Baba' is really a fool.
I'm interested to hear some good arguments.

Osho proved that not enough enlightenment can be a destructive thing when a man sets out to be called "Master"

[chandrakavi]

Osho tells an interesting story:

A man who had all the looks of a wise enlightened Master,
a long bear, etc. but knew nothing about it
was asked by two guys good for doing business
What do you say if we dress you up as an enlightened Master
and charge for all this?
The guy said : Terrific!!
But then he asked the other two guys:
What do I do if I'm asked a question, any question?
The guys told him not to open his mouth
he was simply to remain in a posture of Meditation
and Namaste everyone in front of him.
That relieved the guy.
So this story went on for some time,
and ALL the people went wild about him
everyone gave him gifts, money, all their possesions
and suddenly ALL OF THEM BECAME ENLIGHTENED.
The fake Master took the fact that everyone became enlightened as an insult since no one knew that he was a fake.
Finally, he had to get up, and asked all of them how they had become enlightened:D


The thing is not if what you see is enlightened or not, that is beside the point,
what is important if that someone helps YOU become in touch with your INNER MASTER, then YOU BECOME ENLIGHTENED,
everything else is irrelevant .
You can become enlightened even if you believe in a Rock,
if it works for you, that's what counts and what is important..
If it has helped you become in contact with yourself,
nothing else could be more important.
After all meditation is : REMEMBERING WHO YOU ARE.:)
If you can hear, read, or see Osho with youur heart, it may very well blow your mind.

[yvonne]

I picked up 'A New Earth' from the library and read less then 100 pages then got fed up and took it back.

Without my emotions, what am I?
My emotions have made me what I am, I need them....I think the guy is nuts!

[tejas]

The point is that your emotions, your thoughts and your feelings are all part of the ego or as Icke puts the The Human-mind-body computer they are not really you.

[baron von lotsov]

well my suspicions have been confirmed by phoebe's post. i mean if she is going to burn her conspiracy books does that mean that now because she is so happpy with the being in the "Now" that she doesn't care about what happens in the future? I mean that is what i was worried about this book initially. i hope i am wrong. because that means is too much euphoria to be too concerned about our future.


Yes, well looking at this thread it is obvious to me that Intruder and phoebe are actively pushing this book. If you are aware of what the book is pushing then you can see we have a couple of disinfo agents on here. I have had this situation so many times. These people are pushing this stuff for a reason and it is much more than the fact they think they read a good book and want to recommend it to us, no this is actively pushing it like a salesman.

The book itself is essentially brainwashing and these two want to brainwash as many people on this forum as they can. These sorts of people are not interested in the truth or anything to do with defeating the NWO, they are the other side. They think we were born yesterday and that we have been sufficiently dumbed down not to notice them. This thread has already gone to ten pages and this is because people are at work here pushing disinfo. I respect your intelligence for not making the same mistake as many. They need to be rooted out and hung up so every one can see what is going on.

[asentinel]

Anyway in answer to the original post:
I think Tolle's books are fantastic.
So simplisticly written and so beautiful.

Of course Tolle is going to be called an agent by
the diehard conspiracists because there appears to be
'evidence' for it in his books... (conspiracists find their evidence anywhere).

He teaches us to live in the now and accept things we can't change
so straightaway the sceptics say 'oh look, he's telling us to lay down
and accept the new world order!'.
Which of course, he isn't saying at all...

He's saying that the nwo (and anything else) is only ever as real as the thought you have about it.
He's saying that if you don't like your life then change it.
He's saying if you can't change it, accept it (after all, what else CAN
you do if you can't change it?)
This is very empowering because if applied correctly to your life
you can save yourself years of pain, guilt, and family feuds etc.
He's saying that all those negative thoughts you have
aren't really YOU, and that there's no need to pay them any heed.

Hmmm, very empowering words, not convinced at all that they were
written by someone wanting to dumb us down.

I think it is exactly the case that the words are to dumb down....
You have just explained it very well and demonstrated how effective they are,

accept it (after all, what else can you do etc.....

negative thoughts.... no need to pay them any heed....

how is this empowering, except when one is fully in denial...?

Sorry folks, with respect, Baron is onto it indeed....

Just please read what you yourselves have written.

Look into David Spangler from Findhorn, New Age totally all the way, and satanic. It's a balm for the broken. Something to soothe the lazy off to sleep, don't notice the emporer's new clothes are a Nazi uniform.

[eternal_spirit]

I picked up 'A New Earth' from the library and read less then 100 pages then got fed up and took it back.

Without my emotions, what am I?
My emotions have made me what I am, I need them....I think the guy is nuts!

................

As Icke said I am me I am Free.

[phoebe]

I picked up 'A New Earth' from the library and read less then 100 pages then got fed up and took it back.

Without my emotions, what am I?
My emotions have made me what I am, I need them....I think the guy is nuts!

Your emotions are tools to alert you to situations.
Not a good idea to be run by your emotions.
They are not YOU.
Your emotions have made EGO what it is,
they haven't made YOU what YOU are, which is pure consciousness.
The guy is as nuts as the rest of us -
ie. he does have voices in his head trying to tell him what to do.

[phoebe]

Yes, well looking at this thread it is obvious to me that Intruder and phoebe are actively pushing this book. If you are aware of what the book is pushing then you can see we have a couple of disinfo agents on here. I have had this situation so many times. These people are pushing this stuff for a reason and it is much more than the fact they think they read a good book and want to recommend it to us, no this is actively pushing it like a salesman.

The book itself is essentially brainwashing and these two want to brainwash as many people on this forum as they can. These sorts of people are not interested in the truth or anything to do with defeating the NWO, they are the other side. They think we were born yesterday and that we have been sufficiently dumbed down not to notice them. This thread has already gone to ten pages and this is because people are at work here pushing disinfo. I respect your intelligence for not making the same mistake as many. They need to be rooted out and hung up so every one can see what is going on.

Baron, Baron, Baron bless your cotton socks
Although you are a 'Royal' pain in the arse
I can't help but love you to bits. :)
If by pushing this book you mean I recommend it,
having found it very useful to by own personal circumstance -
then yes, guilty as charged.
But disinfo agent? I think not.
I would say to everyone about this book or any book or piece of info:
if it doesn't resonate well with you, then reject it.

You say this book is 'effectively brainwashing'
(I'll ignore the fact that you accuse me of
wanting to brainwash people :rolleyes:)
Definition of brainwashing = forcible indoctrination.
Forcible?
Someone held a gun to my head and forced me to read
and understand the book?
Absolute piffle dear fellow!
But - if we're going down that road, then ALL books,
movies, documentaries etc etc are brainwashing by your
definition, because they are all trying to tell us something,
make us think about something, or put a certain spin on a
certain subject.
No one can write a completely objective book or make a
completely objective film, because like it or not,
people have beliefs, personal experience and preferences
which are undoubtedly going to come across.
Eckhart Tolle wrote the books because he wants
to give a little something back.
To you, that's brainwashing, to me it's sharing knowledge.

And with due respect
because I will not mock anybody for their beliefs,
you are a Christian are you not?
Yet you accuse Tolle of brainwashing...
:rolleyes::o:cool:

btw: I'd be willing to bet my life's savings that you've
not even read the bloody book.

[intruder]

Yes, well looking at this thread it is obvious to me that Intruder and phoebe are actively pushing this book. If you are aware of what the book is pushing then you can see we have a couple of disinfo agents on here. I have had this situation so many times. These people are pushing this stuff for a reason and it is much more than the fact they think they read a good book and want to recommend it to us, no this is actively pushing it like a salesman.

The book itself is essentially brainwashing and these two want to brainwash as many people on this forum as they can. These sorts of people are not interested in the truth or anything to do with defeating the NWO, they are the other side. They think we were born yesterday and that we have been sufficiently dumbed down not to notice them. This thread has already gone to ten pages and this is because people are at work here pushing disinfo. I respect your intelligence for not making the same mistake as many. They need to be rooted out and hung up so every one can see what is going on.

baron, you're priceless!! If my suggestion to read the Power Of Now qualifies me as "disinfo agent", well, you're paranoid. In case you haven't noticed it was on the New York Times bestseller list, long before I started "pushing it". Yet, I'm somewhow honored that you equate me with the magnanimous power of the NY TIMES.

You may have also noticed that you haven't corrected the MISINFORMATION you posted regarding "The Power of Murdoch"....so, who's the "disinfo agent
"?

I learned a long time ago that internet "arguing" is fruitless. If you consider posting little snipes about "disinfo" agents as somehow fighting the new world order...well, aren't you lucky preciousssssssssssssssss.......

Peace, best wishes!

[seanx]

Gorgeousbutterfly wrote:

well my suspicions have been confirmed by phoebe's post. i mean if she is going to burn her conspiracy books does that mean that now because she is so happpy with the being in the "Now" that she doesn't care about what happens in the future? I mean that is what i was worried about this book initially. i hope i am wrong. because that means is too much euphoria to be too concerned about our future.

Youe question is good because that is a danger but not caring
about the future is not what Eckhart Tolle is writing
about.

He says ...Be still .....

Go to the STILLNESS within you.

That place that is free of and BEYOND all
the cultural and relgious brainwashing we are all subject to ......and
from that PLACE in the NOW moment draw your energy,
motivation and new thoughts.

And if you take care of the NOW ....the future will take care of itself.

It will be a REFLECTION of these new Source-filled
thoughts and feelings you're having.

He's saying, in a different way essentially the same thing as
dave icle.

It is your thought/ feelings/ beliefs TODAY that are creating your
future.

And Phoebe is absolutely right: worrying about the future ( i.e that
means you're still holding negative beliefs and expectations about it)
will just mean creating more of the same future.

Also, living in the Now is practiced by all the great sportmen, whether
they call it that or not.

The great footballers, golfers, tennis players always concentrate
on the next ball.

NOTHING exists but THAT ball in THAT moment.

Nothing.

If they start thinking about the future...i.e. if I score this penalty
we'll win etc.... things go astray.

They know if they hit EVERY ball well at EVERY moment....the results-
future will take care of itself. The future will be positive.

phoebe wrote to the usual nonsense from the Baron

And with due respect
because I will not mock anybody for their beliefs,
you are a Christian are you not?
Yet you accuse Tolle of brainwashing...


btw: I'd be willing to bet my life's savings that you've
not even read the bloody book.

Need anymore be said.

How a Christian fundamentalist can talk about brainwashing
with a straight face....

When they wrote the textbook on it........

[seanx]

Originally Posted by intruder
I wish that I could strip away some of the mysticism surrounding the "now" as taught by Eckhart Tolle. HE doesn't use the following example, this is my own.

Imagine a violin player, or anyone within an orchestra for that matter. He's the principal violinist awaiting the cue from the conductor that the symphony is about to begin. Hopefully, the musician is poised, focused, centered, and breathing deep. This musician KNOWS that the symphony has 4 movements within it that will cover ALOT of territory, not only on his instrument, but emotionally as well.It has a beginning, a middle, and an end. He CAN'T be thinking..."HOT DAMN...68 bars from now comes one of the most difficult passages that I'VE EVER HAD to play..!!!!" No...he's poised, IN THE MOMENT, in the ONLY place that the WHOLE orchestra CAN BE...which is here and NOW. Nor can he smugly think..."ha!! those first 24 bars were a breeze...." To do that could cause him to miss his place within the framework of the symphony. The conductor as well as the musicians MUST be focused on what they are doing...NOW.Attention to this one and only moment enhances the chances of a more unified experience for the musicians as well as the audience. Neither the orchestra nor the audience can be in a heated rush to get to the end of the symphony and thereby miss all the beauty of it along the way. YAY!!!!!!!!!! the fastest player wins!! and the music is destroyed.

Eckhart does NOT suggest that we abdicate responsibility for ourselves and the earth by contemplating our navels all day. If you wish to get "active"..then get ACTIVE, but just KNOW that your "future" steps are being determined now. We've ALL heard the phrase..."the journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step." NO less and NO more! Take responsibility for that step NOW....what other choice DO you have?

Fantastic post.

[phoebe]

I think it is exactly the case that the words are to dumb down....
You have just explained it very well and demonstrated how effective they are,

accept it (after all, what else can you do etc.....

negative thoughts.... no need to pay them any heed....

how is this empowering, except when one is fully in denial...?

Sorry folks, with respect, Baron is onto it indeed....

Just please read what you yourselves have written.

Look into David Spangler from Findhorn, New Age totally all the way, and satanic. It's a balm for the broken. Something to soothe the lazy off to sleep, don't notice the emporer's new clothes are a Nazi uniform.

Firstly, have you read the book?

Secondly - although I have no wish to change your
perception of the book, I would like to say that
I believe you're missing the point entirely...

Regarding accepting things you can't change.
Many people live their whole lives embittered by
situations in the past that haven't stayed in the past,
but instead have haunted their whole life, effectively ruining it - why?
Because people cannot let things go:
'Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the
difference.' - is effectively what he's saying.
Would you rather accept something you can't change,
and try to bring about a positive outcome from it, detach yourself
from it and be free or potentially ruin your whole life because you are unable to let go?

Regarding negative thoughts.
Thoughts are a great tool, to be used for creative purposes.
And negative thoughts are just as creative as positive ones.
However we sometimes allow them to use us - negative thoughts
have never done anyone any good.
Think of any recurring negative thought you have had -
worrying about a future event for example - was that event
EVER as bad as the worrying/obsessive thoughts you had about it?
I doubt it very much.
Did the negative thinking make the situation better?
Or did it make you feel a whole lot worse?
Did the negative thinking help you in ANY WAY whatsoever
to come through the situation?

You create your world every day with your thoughts.
And although you might not yet be at the stage of full
conscious creation and manifestion of physical things instantaneously,
your state of mind and thought patterns do affect everything in your life.
Thoughts are energy just like everything else, so of course they affect.

The thing is about this new age label that some like to attach
is that these philosophies are far from new age.
They are millenia old.

If you want something to 'blame' (all egos do) for the ills
in the world, don't blame Tolle and his like who are actually offering
solutions to how we can change our own lives for the better
by observing our own insane behaviour on day to day basis
and begin to understand where it comes from, and why.

Any 'blame' could be better directed at the unconscious
way we behave when we succumb to the machinations of ego
and how, if we let it, it can become the ruler of our lives rather
than the survival tool it is meant to be.

Imagine what the world would be like without 'fear of the future'
or 'fear of the past' - they wouldn't sell many savings plans and insurance policies etc, not to mention stress relieving drugs etc, would they?

I do not see how, empowering people to be masters of their own lives
and minds, can further the agenda of the elite who would rather
we didn't even consider such things but would rather keep us
locked in cycles of self-hatred, fear and hopelessness so that they
can be the ones to offer us 'solutions' when we 'react' to these 'problems'.

[intruder]

Gorgeousbutterfly wrote:



Youe question is good because that is a danger but not caring
about the future is not what Eckhart Tolle is writing
about.

He says ...Be still .....

Go to the STILLNESS within you.

That place that is free of and BEYOND all
the cultural and relgious brainwashing we are all subject to ......and
from that PLACE in the NOW moment draw your energy,
motivation and new thoughts.

And if you take care of the NOW ....the future will take care of itself.

It will be a REFLECTION of these new Source-filled
thoughts and feelings you're having.

He's saying, in a different way essentially the same thing as
dave icle.

It is your thought/ feelings/ beliefs TODAY that are creating your
future.

And Phoebe is absolutely right: worrying about the future ( i.e that
means you're still holding negative beliefs and expectations about it)
will just mean creating more of the same future.

Also, living in the Now is practiced by all the great sportmen, whether
they call it that or not.

The great footballers, golfers, tennis players always concentrate
on the next ball.

NOTHING exists but THAT ball in THAT moment.

Nothing.

If they start thinking about the future...i.e. if I score this penalty
we'll win etc.... things go astray.

They know if they hit EVERY ball well at EVERY moment....the results-
future will take care of itself. The future will be positive.

phoebe wrote to the usual nonsense from the Baron



Need anymore be said.

How a Christian fundamentalist can talk about brainwashing
with a straight face....

When they wrote the textbook on it........

And seanx pretty much sums it up!!!

My post regarding the symphony is applicable to a power-punk trio as well, or, as you said...golfers, sportsmen, etc. How about a brain surgeon or a hair stylist as well? Focused, poised, and fully conscious.

[seanx]

Phoebe wrote:

Firstly, have you read the book?

Secondly - although I have no wish to change your
perception of the book, I would like to say that
I believe you're missing the point entirely...

Regarding accepting things you can't change.
Many people live their whole lives embittered by
situations in the past that haven't stayed in the past,
but instead have haunted their whole life, effectively ruining it - why?
Because people cannot let things go:
'Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the
difference.' - is effectively what he's saying.
Would you rather accept something you can't change,
and try to bring about a positive outcome from it, detach yourself
from it and be free or potentially ruin your whole life because you are unable to let go?

Regarding negative thoughts.
Thoughts are a great tool, to be used for creative purposes.
However we sometimes allow them to use us - negative thoughts
have never done anyone any good.
Think of any recurring negative thought you have had -
worrying about a future event for example - was that event
EVER as bad as the worrying/obsessive thoughts you had about it?
I doubt it very much.
Did the negative thinking make the situation better?
Or did it make you feel a whole lot worse?
Did the negative thinking help you in ANY WAY whatsoever
to come through the situation?

You create your world every day with your thoughts.
And although you might not yet be at the stage of full
conscious creation and manifestion of physical things instantaneously,
your state of mind and thought patterns do affect everything in your life.
Thoughts are energy just like everything else, so of course they affect.

The thing is about this new age label that some like to attach
is that these philosophies are far from new age.
They are millenia old.

If you want something to 'blame' (all egos do) for the ills
in the world, don't blame Tolle and his like who are actually offering
solutions to how we can change our own lives for the better
by observing our own insane behaviour on day to day basis
and begin to understand where it comes from, and why.

Any 'blame' could be better directed at the unconscious
way we behave when we succumb to the machinations of ego
and how, if we let it, it can become the ruler of our lives rather
than the survival tool it is meant to be.

Imagine what the world would be like without 'fear of the future'
or 'fear of the past' - they wouldn't sell many savings plans and insurance policies etc, not to mention stress relieving drugs etc, would they?

I do not see how, empowering people to be masters of their own lives
and minds, can further the agenda of the elite who would rather
we didn't even consider such things but would rather keep us
locked in cycles of self-hatred, fear and hopelessness so that they
can be the ones to offer us 'solutions' when we 'react' to these 'problems'

Very well said and explained.

But these people are reading this book with their 'conditioned' mind.

They are looking at it from the perspective that has been
drummed into them since school.

So your words will fall on the deaf ears ...or else they will attack you
like the Baron and asentinel ..who are clearly on this earth to defend
the illuminati's position.

[baron von lotsov]

I must say some of you are real fanatics. Normally a thread about some NWO topic and I get no responses what so ever but all of a sudden you all find your voices. You write reams of stuff and all in defence of the indefensible. The Illumi have you right under their thumbs. Do you expect them to provide you with some kind of bunker when WW3 breaks out?

Oop's I almost forgot, you are all going to ascend in 2012.

[phoebe]

I must say some of you are real fanatics. Normally a thread about some NWO topic and I get no responses what so ever but all of a sudden you all find your voices. You write reams of stuff and all in defence of the indefensible. The Illumi have you right under their thumbs. Do you expect them to provide you with some kind of bunker when WW3 breaks out?

Oop's I almost forgot, you are all going to ascend in 2012.

I suppose it all boils down to where one
focuses one's attention Baron.

WHEN WW3 breaks out?
Or would it be fairer to say IF?
I refuse to live my life based on what if's.
And that includes what may or may not 'happen'
in 2012.

By the way, would you care to actually answer/respond
to the actual points I made?
Or will just continue to make huge sweeping generalisations?

:)

[baron von lotsov]

No. I waste far too much of my time on this crap. I have gone through this topic about 4-5 times already. I'm just printing a warning for the newcomers here. I'm saying to them that this book is NWO brainwashing and leave it up to them to decide once warned. When you pay more attention to the real issues I will find the time to debate with you but until then that's all I have to say on this matter until the next advert thread appears and then the next and the one after that. Give it a break, for goodness sake, and get real.

[mountain]

Is it me, or there are alot of negative minds on the forums? No optimism whatsoever, just sitting back waiting, waiting.... for the worst to happen.

I have not read this book but I have read the posts, and you know I have come to the conclusion that some of you might just need it. Spending time and energy wasting your thoughts on what is so-called predestined, instead of changing yourself and listening to what others have to say, without a fight.

It is common sense, if it does not RESONATE with you, you are not obligated by anything anyone has to say but your own self! It is so easy for one to go bashing the other for speaking their truths! It is SAD but I have faith that its part of the learning process.

Read as many books as you have the time to, rather than depend on the TV for your information. I personally have read hundreds, and I have agrreed on some things and others not. There are bits of knowledge in every book, sometimes there are loads.

[intruder]

I must say some of you are real fanatics. Normally a thread about some NWO topic and I get no responses what so ever but all of a sudden you all find your voices. You write reams of stuff and all in defence of the indefensible. The Illumi have you right under their thumbs. Do you expect them to provide you with some kind of bunker when WW3 breaks out?

Oop's I almost forgot, you are all going to ascend in 2012.


Your broad generalizations, along with the complete failure to address misinformation that you posted indicate that you're not reliable source of pertinent NWO information. Neither I, nor Eckhart Tolle preach "ascension" in 2012. You're so bogged down in misconceptions that...........................

[intruder]

forgive me baron...you find Ann Coulter to be "sensible"......No wonder you see the Power of Now as "brainwashing".
Now remember red baron, defender of the free world, righter of wrongs, and slayer of the now. Mann Coulter has said that the "bombing of Iran would be fun!!" FUN!!! baron!!!! FUN!!!! the escalation to WWIII as "FUN"!! what say ye!?!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[seanx]

More nonsense from the Baron:

I must say some of you are real fanatics. Normally a thread about some NWO topic and I get no responses what so ever but all of a sudden you all find your voices. You write reams of stuff and all in defence of the indefensible. The Illumi have you right under their thumbs. Do you expect them to provide you with some kind of bunker when WW3 breaks out?

Oop's I almost forgot, you are all going to ascend in 2012.

The Baron just does not get it.

I wonder, in fact, if he has EVER read any of Icke's latest books.

I doubt it.

If you want to discuss the conspiracy from a five-sense perspective,
which you should - there are plently of excellent sites for that.

Icke, among the very few, is also looking at it also from
a source level, from a muti-dimensional level.

The muti-dimensional energetic world of beliefs, expectations
and primal fears which actually creates the templates for the
five-sense conspiracy we see all around us.

But this perspective TERRIFIES the Elite - and their conscious and
unconscious followers like the Baron- who want us to REMAIN
TOTALLY focussed on the five-sense level - and thus always
far away from the real solution.

The only real solution is a change of consciousness which must
be 'achieved' and felt by everybody individually until a
critical mass is reached.

The plea by the Baron to new people to stay away from this
kind of knowledge is sick - but one to be expected
from people, like the Baron and Co. who are clearly under
the Christian mind-control program, the oldest
and best of the lot!!

[phoebe]

No. I waste far too much of my time on this crap. I have gone through this topic about 4-5 times already. I'm just printing a warning for the newcomers here. I'm saying to them that this book is NWO brainwashing and leave it up to them to decide once warned. When you pay more attention to the real issues I will find the time to debate with you but until then that's all I have to say on this matter until the next advert thread appears and then the next and the one after that. Give it a break, for goodness sake, and get real.

So by your own definition, you are
attempting to brainwash newcomers!
You steer them away from positive info that could
empower them towards taking control of their lives,
and point them in the direction of topics which will
do them no good whatsoever, except lead them down
a neverending rabbit hole of conspiracy detail, which
may or may not be true and which no one, anywhere,
will ever get to the bottom of?
Seems like a wild goose chase to me.
Self knowledge is the real knowledge,
the rest is irrelevant detail, a distraction.

The fact that you slip out of responding to my
valid points with the excuse that you've already
been there and done that proves to me that
you're not really that serious about what you say.
If you were, you would take the time to explain -
otherwise, what's the point?
You are basically saying that unless I come around
to your way of thinking, then you won't discuss
anything with me.
Well that's very open minded of you Baron.
:rolleyes:

[baron von lotsov]

Look you dumb asses. This book is brainwashing. Can you spot when someone is trying to brainwash you? No, you can't, otherwise you would not be in this position. It's no use defending the indefensible; it won't wash with me or anyone with an ounce of common sense. If you want to understand the future you need to know the past. Someone once said the further you look back the further you can see forwards. DO YOU KNOW WHY IT IS NECESSARY TO SEE FORWARD??? Think for once in your lives and realise that you are being attacked by a NWO. The better your powers of prediction the stronger you become in being able to defeat it. This is so obvious that I wonder how you managed to allow yourselves to get stupefied to such a degree. Let your ignorance be a warning to others on the power of brainwashing.

[1 2 free]

Someone once said the further you look back the further you can see forwards.

Yeah Churchill said it. What's your opinion of Churchill?

[lenejento]

Yeah Churchill said it. What's your opinion of Churchill?

Exacly, if we want to create the same over and over, obsess about the past then predict (erm, create) that it will come again, lol. The same bullshit all over again.

But honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong about thinking about the past or future, just not let it take your happiness and love away, cause that's what the world needs more of.

[intruder]

Churchill has also said that "history...is one DAMN thing after another..."
Thus, many people come to view their own life as one 'damn thing after another...'
THIS didn't work out...and THAT didn't work....poor me...it's always one damn thing after another. Of course Churchill's statement is 'true', but only in a relative sense. The past can contain many beautiful memories...which you remember NOW of course, in the only time and place there is.

I would suggest to you baron that you use the power of "NOW" to clarify YOUR intentions as to how YOU will combat the NWO in the most effective manner possible. USE the NOW to help you clarify your intent! We're only capable of comprehending so much past before we're bogged down on what was.And in turn being overwhelmed by what MIGHT happen. USE what
"was" now to awaken others and yourself. "Keep your lamp burning and your loins girded" to quote Jesus. Keep the light of consciousness (a gift to YOU from GOD) burning bright in your quest for the truth.....NOW. Take action NOW...

Should you be unfortunate enough to confront a malevolent reptilian entity, ALL your faculties may be temporarily overwhelmed. Compelling you to center...NOW...and take action...NOW.

It was George Orwell who said..."Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

SO...the NOW just might be more of a friend than the enemy that you perceive it to be. Take control of "your" present...put your past in order and thereby potentially assuring a brighter future.

[seanx]

tHe baron:
Look you dumb asses. This book is brainwashing. Can you spot when someone is trying to brainwash you? No, you can't, otherwise you would not be in this position. It's no use defending the indefensible; it won't wash with me or anyone with an ounce of common sense. If you want to understand the future you need to know the past. Someone once said the further you look back the further you can see forwards. DO YOU KNOW WHY IT IS NECESSARY TO SEE FORWARD??? Think for once in your lives and realise that you are being attacked by a NWO. The better your powers of prediction the stronger you become in being able to defeat it. This is so obvious that I wonder how you managed to allow yourselves to get stupefied to such a degree. Let your ignorance be a warning to others on the power of brainwashing.

I love it.

'Brainwashed' Christians funnies ...warning other people about
'Let your ignorance be a warning to others on the power of
brainwashing

It's hilarious.

And one of the key componets of the christian mind-control program
- is, of course the 'occult' trigger mechanism.

This is inserted as a danger, closing down trigger that is inserted into
their belief/value system - if they ever come close to going
beyond the surface story about reality they are told.

It is particularly dominant in the Catholic version of
the christian mind-control program.

In this version, from a very early age - any idea, for example of
communication with the decreased is labelled, 'occult', the
work of the devil - and then.....this is immediately linked
with images of hell, fire, damnation.

However, not only for you - but,to really terrify the hell
out of the child and create the essential blast of
FEAR to really implant this
idea in the child's consciousness - the child is told HER parents and family
will also be condemned and destroyed to eternal pain and agony
if she is a 'bad girl' and goes beyond the five-sense world.....

....The world prescribed to her by her 'religion'

Sound familiar to anybody !

[baron von lotsov]

Yeah Churchill said it. What's your opinion of Churchill?


He was an Illumi puppet that had an alcoholic problem and was introduced to Illumi occult circles prior to being given a job, much the same as Hitler in fact who used to spend hours reciting the speeches he was given to read out. So the public bought it and they buy lots of shit including the latest occultists that seem to be hanging around Findhorn. Of course since you want to wear blinkers of the past you wont know so much about Findhorn unless it is somewhere you are currently at.

[mentalogirl]

Look you dumb asses. This book is brainwashing. Can you spot when someone is trying to brainwash you? No, you can't, otherwise you would not be in this position. It's no use defending the indefensible; it won't wash with me or anyone with an ounce of common sense. If you want to understand the future you need to know the past. Someone once said the further you look back the further you can see forwards. DO YOU KNOW WHY IT IS NECESSARY TO SEE FORWARD??? Think for once in your lives and realise that you are being attacked by a NWO. The better your powers of prediction the stronger you become in being able to defeat it. This is so obvious that I wonder how you managed to allow yourselves to get stupefied to such a degree. Let your ignorance be a warning to others on the power of brainwashing.

If you really believe what you are saying,then stop for a moment and think of how many hours a day you spend using up your energy and your thoughts on NWO-conspiracy related activities.Then add up what's left of your day for your LIFE(family,relationships,friends,work,leisure,etc ).
That might give you an idea of who's brainwashing who.;)

(and even NWO puppets had decent ideas:Hitler designed the VW Beetle,after all):D

[lostinstrangeworld]

I don't have this book, but I recently ordered one of his called "A New Earth" because I was so impressed by a quote from it.

[spiritualone]

Look you dumb asses. This book is brainwashing. Can you spot when someone is trying to brainwash you? No, you can't, otherwise you would not be in this position. It's no use defending the indefensible; it won't wash with me or anyone with an ounce of common sense. If you want to understand the future you need to know the past. Someone once said the further you look back the further you can see forwards. DO YOU KNOW WHY IT IS NECESSARY TO SEE FORWARD??? Think for once in your lives and realise that you are being attacked by a NWO. The better your powers of prediction the stronger you become in being able to defeat it. This is so obvious that I wonder how you managed to allow yourselves to get stupefied to such a degree. Let your ignorance be a warning to others on the power of brainwashing.

Each to their own. You clearly havent read or understood the book. Some will forever remain trapped in the five-sense world of conspiricy. Things arn't always what they seem. :cool: The greatest mind control could be that there was no mind control - it was only your mind. lol

[phoebe]

The greatest mind control could be that there was no mind control - it was only your mind. lol


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[baron von lotsov]

That's the de facto defence of the Illuminati. What are you suggesting, that we should take a visit to one of their clinics to get our minds back on message again?

[i am all i am]

Hmm thats not what I meant.

Fear is not the only way you can be controlled. Love can control you as well.

In the name of love the christian martyrs hurled themselves at the lions to proove their christ.

Think about it.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Tejas.

You are msirepresenting LOVE here in your comment.

Fear controls, restricts, holds on to, takes from.

Love frees up, accepts, lets go of, gives to.

The christian's that you are describing have been misled as to what LOVE truly is.

Love is unconditional.

THANK YOU.



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[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

http://www.truly-free.org/

Oh yeah, if you scroll down the page you might find three ebooks that are written by a certain author. Enjoy ! ! !

THANK YOU.



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[auron]

Bookmarked!!

Excellent page mate!!

Just don't tell the thought police. :rolleyes:

[i am all i am]

Bookmarked!!

Excellent page mate!!

Just don't tell the thought police. :rolleyes:

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Auron.

I have already posted it elsewhere as well mate. ;):D, as well as this one.....

http://www.ebookee.com/novel.html

THANK YOU.



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[mad as a cat]

I am all I am...thanks for those links:)

[tejas]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Tejas.

You are msirepresenting LOVE here in your comment.

Fear controls, restricts, holds on to, takes from.

Love frees up, accepts, lets go of, gives to.

The christian's that you are describing have been misled as to what LOVE truly is.

Love is unconditional.

THANK YOU.




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I agree with you to an extent. But what exactly do you mean by love?

I would hasten to ever use the word love when referring to the divine as it is corrupted in the human sense.

I disagree with you in saying these christians had a less perfect view of 'love' then what is meant by it in these books and similar.

The love that you speak of is related to the emotional, and thus the physical and thus is irrelevant.

I don't understand how you can say the things you do and about love and fearFear controls, restricts, holds on to, takes from.

Love frees up, accepts, lets go of, gives to (which I disagree with) and then in your signature have
"WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS,
YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU" Which I agree with entirely. They are contradictory are they not?

Thanks for the links btw, very nice :)

[i am all i am]

I am all I am...thanks for those links:)

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Mad As A Cat.

You are welcome. Here's a link that you may also enjoy...

http://************************.org/viewtopic.php?t=90

THANK YOU.



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[chicken]

Ok - Straight and truthful is the way I operate.

Eckehart Tolle is one of the principal books in the Theosophical Society's reading lists. I said read between the lines. If you don't get I will take the book apart for you.

The Theosophical Society after much research is a "Cult"

The Theosophical Society is connected to Hitler, Social Darwinism = social engineering, the Occult, Fascism, Neo-fascism, Satanism, Eugenics, the Order of the Golden Dawn, Aleister Crowley. The Theosophical Society building is now the BMA headquarters (British Medical Association), the Tavistock Institute. Parapsychology, psychology, the term mind control, one of Britains think tanks, electromagnetics = microchips+remote viewing. They are into "Life coaching" or life counselling. They are into the "truth" whatever that is - depends from their point of view.

Oh - I forgot - they are a branch of freemasonry, they helped set up the Lucis trust (UN publishing house). They are the designers of the new age movement. Theosophy was the spawn of many "evil" occult societies even the theosophy society is connected to Plato

Plato - liked a bit of hypothesising. Theos is the greek word for god and sophia was greek for wisdom. I can tell you now that a lot of greek gods were very jealous and restrictive types. I would look into it they were not who they said they were - a bit of double speak - bit early for Orwell and "1984". But it is about the opposite.

Now read - E Tolle again...........................

The Rosicrurian's stem from the theosophical society. Last but not least it has something to do with the 7/7 bombings in London.

So the simple E Tolle is an "evil" meister in disguise

I have done my research - thats why I have been a bit quiet

chicken

[spiritualone]

If some guy on the internet said it is true, then it must be true :rolleyes: Are you referring to this: http://www.austheos.org.au/ ?

I dont give a toss what "society" uses Tolle's books - it has nothing to do with me. Tolle's message is nothing new. Like most "reseachers" it is ancient knowledge rehashed into a new format. If the principles are of benefit to me, I will use them in a way that suites me. It doesnt mean you will suddenly become brainwashed and join a cult. lol

[chicken]

Fair enough - just wanted to tell you what I know.

I am actually thinking about converting this "Knowledge" I have gained to a Phd.

It would blow the lid off mental health and how people see it - people would be ashamed. Its implications would be global. Mental health would have a lot of explaining as well as the medical fraternity. Many millions of people would have to be compensated. The government would have a lot of explaining to do

See - I am a researcher and it is a "delicate" one this - so much so that I have been physically threatened, with base ball bats, spat at, intimidated, ended up in hospital. I have been threatened down the phone with witnesses. So what I know must be something that must not get out then in the public domain.

I have had one newspaper and one magazine ask for the info so far.

Well it all started with E Tolle and "The New Earth"

This book is NOT what it seems. I have taken to not just pick things up and just take it at face value now. I of course don't know anyone who will do the whole research in depth thing to fully understand it.

But I did!! - All the stuff I tell you is probably old news well the parts are. But the adding up gives a new dimension and new look to all of this. I will check and see if its been written about before though in detail.

I contacted many people - one being Nick G-Clarke who is one of the World Authorities on the Occult - so I looked at his books had a quick chat and all that. One thing he knows a lot about is the Theosophical Society and freemasonry etc etc. Not forgetting Hitler

Read what I have to say - some complex, some simple - but hopefully you will get the links

It is very clear - yes - you are right a rehash of the old. You see about 1530 there was a Johannes Eckhart who wrote about mystical spiritualism - which was speculative - it was so dense and so hard to get through and well beyond human consumption. Our Eckhart of the present has unravelled it for us. Seems a strange coincidence that his name is Eckhart too? Johannes Eckhart is on the Theosophical Societies timeline

Eckhart Tolle - produced also the Power of Now - published by Namaste publishing. Guess what, the head office is in the town I live in. Now thats a coincidence.

I am organised stalked and suffer from e-harassment. Since June of this year I have sat at my computer and worked the circles around E Tolle and his musings.

"theo" means god, "sophia" means wisdom. Plato invention who is judged as the father of Theosophy - his gods were a nasty bunch - too much into jealousy and were not a straight forward at all. In fact they were considered opposite. I think they must have invented Orwellian double speak or double think before Orwell did!!

So basics here. Lots of questions about "life" were considered and the deeper meanings and the simple idea of was the grass greener on the other side? Of course stuff about the soul, ego, identity etc etc

You see the Theosopholists are a "cult" because they have a common purpose. They have hit upon the lifes purpose bandwagon and are a dangerous bunch. Many end up as councellors-they are evil. Check out the Austrailian cult sites

Why - they are into the occult and satanism. So Hidden knowledge to start with and power and evil to follow.

Madame Blavatsky, Hitler and Darwin were into the Occult - they had a common ground and interest in supreme beings - themselves and two particularly thought themselves god. Thus being above the law. They were not god as such but god was everyone. They all were interested in Eugenics

I live in Darwin country in the UK

E Tolle is one of the principal reading books of the Theosophical Society. He gave his first talk ever for the TS in London.

I live in a village where during the 1880's the Annie Kingsford was the leader of the London Office until she moved to Hermetics and the Order of the Golden Dawn.

Annie was one of the first doctors in the UK to practice. She set up a consulting rooms in London.

I picked up my problem via the consulting rooms of the local doctors

The councellors blurb is almost identical to the Austrailian Theosophical Society.

So I am encouraged to read the E Tolle book by two seperate people - its about lifes purpose - the pain body - insanity. If I remember as the general flavour. One of them a local doctor straight then encouraged me to read it after someone else - whoa - another coincidence. Very odd indeed

The theosophical society are into electromagnetics, telepathy, channeling and the dead. You see they are also advocates of what we call psychology and parapsychology. So summing up - they are into religion, science and philosophy which is spirituality. A mixed bag of ideas

After researching the occult and electromagnetics. I discovered that all that was written was true - pretty much true - that microchipping and remote viewing was a phenomena which was very much alive and kicking. Some very eminent scientists were looking into it.

So I had chats with Professor Kevin Warwick - microchipping and mind reading as I had too many coincidences. I discovered that it was very real that this was possible - found it in lots of places.

I discovered that CO$ and EST/FORUM/LANDMARK EDUCATION threw money at it - what you might ask. Well remote viewing and mind communication in some form. I discovered many things that all started to fit together

I am stalked - the coincidences - could this be kkk, or cointelpro? I then discover that its called organised stalking. Or some have called it dead agenting and fair game.

I end up in hospital as a result of the stalking?

Ok - this is serious then - I dig some more. A mate of mine owns the Witches Museum in the South. I ask him - occultists are they into electromagnetics - he says yes he has a few shelves relating to this subject area

I am warned not to go to the press with a witness so thats credible.

I discover that the Kundalini Awakening is exactly the same as electronic harassment. Which is about microchipping and remote viewing.

If you worship and contact good thats good - you are spiritual. If they contact you back - its either you are divine and you are lucky. Or you have been hacked - via your nervous system.
Some people like Deca hear voices - this is a hacked system.
Or - you are suffering from a psychosis. I have been hacked

After much more digging I find all the patent numbers for all the bits of kit to do this - yes they exist. You have to demonstrate it works before you get a patent number.

[eternal_spirit]

Well put Chicken. The Baron has been trying to tell them, something similar, but you've gone into more detail. Half of what you've posted, will most likely be beyond most Tolle readers, they don't wan't to think about the negatives, or do the research you yourself have obviously done. I've kept quiet about Tolle, but always had a feeling, and what I've read on him, set alarm bells ringing. It reeks of High Masonic, Occult, Tavistock style spiel, to control how you think for one thing.

[chandrakavi]

Bookmarked!!

Excellent page mate!!

Just don't tell the thought police. :rolleyes:

Thought Police, IT SAYS A LOT, nice line Auron

INFINITE LOVE TO YOU

[eternal_spirit]

Okay, all the Tolle people here. What do you think he teaches you to do, be etc? Brief replies please. Let's get to the point.

[eternal_spirit]

I await your replies, be back later........

[chicken]

Ok - my computer crashed - had to restart ;)

So I gets to the technology. I'll probably come back to that

I dig more - The Tavistock Institute has masses to do with this. You want a bit of detail - ok.

The Theosophical Society and The Tavistock Institute were a few doors away from each other. The Theosophical Society building was bought by the British Medical Association as the TS ran out of funds to complete its build

Both are in the Pagan/Occult areas of London

Both were funded by The Marquis of Tavistock - Duke of Bedford - look up him - not a nice chap

The medical are in on it - up to their arm pits. Whatever that is

That - sir - is the emerging psychiatry/psychology service - so lovingly tended by the NHS

The TS are about psychology and parapsychology. Look at the history of this - your eyes will fall out of your head. Its disgusting. Add MK-Ultra and monarch programming and the 25,000 people they destroyed.

America alone has killed 62,000 people in their Eugenics programme from 1907-1962

We the British help set up the OSS or known as the CIA.

The Tavistock Institute is our "think tank" plus three other places that hide behind the stately home persona. The 7/7 bombings went off outside the BMA and Tavistock Institute - why was that?

Hitler came to England in 1912 - why was that? To meet the king?

Mengele was trained in Torture techniques in the emerging Tavistock Institute. Hess and Himmler, half the British Aristocracy joined the Golden Dawn alongside Crowley and Gardiner (Wicca). Hubbard as in CO$ was Aleister Crowleys pupil and ran his own Secret Society in America.

The national health mental programme was developed between the wars. Look up Rawlings Reece - ummm - he needs coming back to - because Bush is following his word. RR was a prophet

Bush is looking to control the masses starting with the youth - the programme started in September. All kiddy winks are to be mentally assessed. Check out their beliefs - if kid a bit hyper stick em on Ritalin. If the kids beliefs are right - leave em alone. The kids market is now being tapped by the pharmaceutical groups. You got to say the right thing to keep out of the drugs push

This is about "life" - mental health and citizenship (don't forget Tolle I haven't - he is still here lurking in the background)

Rawlings Reece - ok - deputy director of the tavistock for medical psychiatry from 1920. He wants the term psyche to appear in everything. Control of the masses. I won't quote him exactly - take too long. I will give you a shortened version of it. We are now not allowed to teach kids right and wrong. I was a teacher -I taught citizenship. All that the tavistock does is about life and citizenship in short. The tavistock is to infiltrate all organisations in the country spreading their message. They have targeted the teaching profession and the church - the law and the medical might be more difficult to budge unless you are well into the theosophical society.
He wants a totalitarian state- mental ideas need spreading so to do that we have to loose our identity and they needed a long term of propaganda. All kids get life skills and or citizenship - all kids have been poisoned by their parents, teachers, politicians. They want control over human behaviour and what you think. Its gradualism to change people

Look up Common Purpose - its the Tavistock Institute - they are targetting the young as well. The main aim of this cult is to undo the state, indoctrination ready for EU take over. Germanic and possible sovietisation

Psychoanylis is out - not scientific enough - so psychopharmacology has stepped in - this is about money. The psychiatry situation is now gone moral - this is what soviet psychiatry did. Even shyness or shopping is a medical problem?!

[chandrakavi]

Okay, all the Tolle people here. What do you think he teaches you to do, be etc? Brief replies please. Let's get to the point.

You sound like the business man that goes in an helicopter to the Hymalayas and says to a master who has been living a lifetime there:
"I want you to tell me what enlightment is ,but make it quick , because
I have a business meeting in half an hour, and I'm, in a hurry.":D

[chicken]

Look into the gradualism of microchipping - this is on our doorstep. If you want total human control this is the way to do it. Go to the area on this site - I think matrixcutter is doing a good job with his posts

Tolle - is a plato and Theosophical messenger. What you read is not nice. The future is worrying - its about the NWO. The Theosophical society is freemasonry. They invented the new age for a purpose - to change humanity. Look up the concept of "Transhuman" - both the Huxleys were in on this concept.

I forgot to tell you that the Theosopholists were into electromagnetics big time

The psychology dept of the tavistock invented cybernetics in 1942. Now trace its history to Stanford, MIT, the Mankind Institute etc. Mind you don't fall over Uri Gellar on the way out. Takes a bit of working out - but you will get it. I am talking about mind reading, microchipping, behaviour control and mind control.

My mother is 63 years old - she believes it all - she has been watching Icke - last week she was telling me about it. I will die for my fellow man to stop this and will spread the word if I can. I don't think you will truly get it. Look up electronic harassment, psychotronics, direct energy weapons, voice to skull etc etc

Why are we about to live in the now? Think about it. Tolle is the messenger - read it opposite. I am not Mrs doom and gloom. I see it as I fell for it. I am one of its first casualties

"Pain body" - this is e-harassment - microchipping

It goes on and on about "energy" - not one you naturally have I might add. The satanists and occultists are using this the spirit world to attack humanity. If you do not understand that. I suggest you go off and do some more reading. Human built equipment - demons have no power without human hosts.

Altering someones reality is about something much deeper

"insanity - microchipping is about human tracking, databases, control. If you step over the line - the chip can be controlled electromagnetically by radio waves. You can be induced to appear nuts. Its a behaviour control tool. Piggy backing the carrier wave giving you a constant stream of orchestrated pain and behaviour mind control

The human wants to improve themselves of course they do but be wary of the following. Anyone offering a spiritual experience. Take someone with you
hypnosis - especially eriksonion - it will get you if not looking, especially the conversational version
NLP - avoid it like the plaque
Huna - these guys are the keepers of the psychic secret - (mind control)
in other words remote viewing, Quantum level of connection. I say the fourth dimension. Space and time

In microchipping terms -the term esoteric technology is about real time technology. This is what being microchipped is about. The last 40 years - the voice hearers amongst us are induced mental patients. Its all done in real time. The concept of transhuman is upon us. God help us if swap over to post transhuman

Many people have been chipped over the years and they have been labelled waivies and beamers. I had a lovely chat with Dr Kirstie Ball a RFID expert and Dr David Woods a surveillance expert. This duo make up the surveillance society journal they are about to do a study on the Ethics of microchipping humans. I could tell them what they need to know

I have rung up people randomly off the net and you would not believe the amount of believers and they were worried that the phone was bugged. It is and so is my computer. I am under constant surveillance - body, mind. This is total invasion of my privacy.

Science and religion or sprituality and science
we are taking a serious paradigm shift and this is the merger of religion, spirituality and science. Spirituality is the future cover of science: in other words the science of life, the science of the soul and is the future science of our mankind.

Science fiction is now our science fact - the tolle book is about the profound transformations in the human condition. Closer human-computer interfaces

chicken

[intruder]

Eckhart Tolle is well aware that the average history book reads like a case study in madness. He acknowledges that the same insanity permeates our world today, in fact, that it is an extension of the "past".

How does one "live in the future" chicken? that IS madness, it doesn't exist. The Future is not "nice" because you are inherently aware that you're going to die.

You have TOTALLY misunderstood Tolle's concept of the pain body, and I suggest a re-reading of those chapters in A New Earth that focus on the pain body.

Have you EVER been SO caught up in mental phantoms of "past" and "future" that the only respite from these phantoms is to AWAKEN.....NOW, not "then".

Paying attention to what occupies your mind most of the time and awakening to "presence" can actually sharpen your mental acuity by not being bogged down with the extraneous phantoms of "what if?"..."ya' never know!!"..."COULD happen"

And if it's not for you, so be it. NOBODY is going to take your anxiety and worrying away.

[intruder]

and he changed his name from Ulrich to Eckhart in honor of the German mystic Meister Eckhart.

[eternal_spirit]

You sound like the business man that goes in an helicopter to the Hymalayas and says to a master who has been living a lifetime there:
"I want you to tell me what enlightment is ,but make it quick , because
I have a business meeting in half an hour, and I'm, in a hurry.":D

............

Ha ha good one. :D

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.americanmeditation.org/images/Newslet_images/5_1_05/eckhart_tolle.jpg

[spiritualone]

"Energy flows where your attention goes". In my observations on this board, there are certain posters here that appear to be fixated on mind-control or e-harrasement. Could this in fact be the LOA in action? Your vibrational imprint could be attracting the situations into your life. David Icke also talks about this.

Tolle's message for me was more about being centred in the stillness of awareness (the now) - being the observer of the endless stream of mind chatter. Together will tracing the origins of these thoughts back to their source, you can begin to clear your mind of the "noise" and see what is around you more clearly. It doesn't mean dont plan anything for the future. Its about taking control of your mind (and your thoughts). Isn't that part of awakening?

[eternal_spirit]

Tolle's message is clear ( Stop thinking for yourself ) Not a good idea.

[eternal_spirit]

He writes books with too many words that don't tell you much about anything. I agree being in the now is good ( but only for periods of time ) Which is time out to forget about all you're worries etc. You don't need someone like Tolle to tell you what you already know.

His story on how he became "enlightened" is BS.

[eternal_spirit]

"Energy flows where your attention goes". In my observations on this board, there are certain posters here that appear to be fixated on mind-control or e-harrasement. Could this in fact be the LOA in action? Your vibrational imprint could be attracting the situations into your life. David Icke also talks about this.

Tolle's message for me was more about being centred in the stillness of awareness (the now) - being the observer of the endless stream of mind chatter. Together will tracing the origins of these thoughts back to their source, you can begin to clear your mind of the "noise" and see what is around you more clearly. It doesn't mean dont plan anything for the future. Its about taking control of your mind (and your thoughts). Isn't that part of awakening?

............

Don't give me the LOA. You could get shot, attacked......is that because you attracted it. No there are millions of loving innocent people that are killed by sadistic types all the time. LOA? I think not!

You think Chicken asked to go through all that?
You can believe what you like, up to you, good luck. But do some research.

I done a quick search on Tolle, same as some other writers, nothing bad to be said, that should tell you he's protected and should set off the BS detector. Put Icke in a search and you'll find all sorts of crap about him probably on the first page. Why because he exposes mind control. NWO, PTB, etc etc, and they defame him for it ( that's their payback for exposure )

Now if Icke's only message was like Tolle, Icke wouldn't get all that flak!
I'm with Chicken on this one. You lot need to educate yourself.

[spiritualone]

Goodluck to you. Yes I do my research (and will continue to do so). Its all about choice http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12373

[asentinel]

Look into the gradualism of microchipping - this is on our doorstep. If you want total human control this is the way to do it. Go to the area on this site - I think matrixcutter is doing a good job with his posts

Tolle - is a plato and Theosophical messenger. What you read is not nice. The future is worrying - its about the NWO. The Theosophical society is freemasonry. They invented the new age for a purpose - to change humanity. Look up the concept of "Transhuman" - both the Huxleys were in on this concept.

I forgot to tell you that the Theosopholists were into electromagnetics big time

The psychology dept of the tavistock invented cybernetics in 1942. Now trace its history to Stanford, MIT, the Mankind Institute etc. Mind you don't fall over Uri Gellar on the way out. Takes a bit of working out - but you will get it. I am talking about mind reading, microchipping, behaviour control and mind control.

My mother is 63 years old - she believes it all - she has been watching Icke - last week she was telling me about it. I will die for my fellow man to stop this and will spread the word if I can. I don't think you will truly get it. Look up electronic harassment, psychotronics, direct energy weapons, voice to skull etc etc

Why are we about to live in the now? Think about it. Tolle is the messenger - read it opposite. I am not Mrs doom and gloom. I see it as I fell for it. I am one of its first casualties

"Pain body" - this is e-harassment - microchipping

It goes on and on about "energy" - not one you naturally have I might add. The satanists and occultists are using this the spirit world to attack humanity. If you do not understand that. I suggest you go off and do some more reading. Human built equipment - demons have no power without human hosts.

Altering someones reality is about something much deeper

"insanity - microchipping is about human tracking, databases, control. If you step over the line - the chip can be controlled electromagnetically by radio waves. You can be induced to appear nuts. Its a behaviour control tool. Piggy backing the carrier wave giving you a constant stream of orchestrated pain and behaviour mind control

The human wants to improve themselves of course they do but be wary of the following. Anyone offering a spiritual experience. Take someone with you
hypnosis - especially eriksonion - it will get you if not looking, especially the conversational version
NLP - avoid it like the plaque
Huna - these guys are the keepers of the psychic secret - (mind control)
in other words remote viewing, Quantum level of connection. I say the fourth dimension. Space and time

In microchipping terms -the term esoteric technology is about real time technology. This is what being microchipped is about. The last 40 years - the voice hearers amongst us are induced mental patients. Its all done in real time. The concept of transhuman is upon us. God help us if swap over to post transhuman

Many people have been chipped over the years and they have been labelled waivies and beamers. I had a lovely chat with Dr Kirstie Ball a RFID expert and Dr David Woods a surveillance expert. This duo make up the surveillance society journal they are about to do a study on the Ethics of microchipping humans. I could tell them what they need to know

I have rung up people randomly off the net and you would not believe the amount of believers and they were worried that the phone was bugged. It is and so is my computer. I am under constant surveillance - body, mind. This is total invasion of my privacy.

Science and religion or sprituality and science
we are taking a serious paradigm shift and this is the merger of religion, spirituality and science. Spirituality is the future cover of science: in other words the science of life, the science of the soul and is the future science of our mankind.

Science fiction is now our science fact - the tolle book is about the profound transformations in the human condition. Closer human-computer interfaces

chicken

THAT VIDEO "THEY WANT YOUR SOUL" should explain what is in store!

READ "12 THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT SCALAR WEAPONS"

I agree Chicken. This is indeed torture. It will be justified as an extension of the war on terror. "God" help us when.

The best way for propaganda to work is embedding wrong information into a piece of seemingly useful, harmless or innocuous information. It is classic way of introducing and controlling. Just the way a parent would crush a tablet in honey and give it to a child.

Baron was correct to point out the publishing house to be checked as the source of the author's affiliations. Would they publish anything else other than sanctioned text?

Instead of feeling attacked and insulted I would want people to check out all available background to see the connections. There is no point taking things personally when someone only wishes to help.

Many New Age publications are Lullabies for the Lazy. Read by all means, but be discerning. I found a fair amount of laziness and greed in the dvd "The Secret". It is a disturbing trend amongst the New Agers I encountered. "How I can MANIFEST (a popular buzz word) everything I want".

The New Age movement is aligned with Findhorn/Spiritualism/Satanism/Lucis Trust/United Nations. The Bavarian Illuminati. Just start searching on the net. The ideas are very old indeed. Try Kabballah, Church of Babylon. People are confusing NEW age as something new, or fresh. It is neither and certainly not harmless.

Mainstream publishing and distribution should be a warning flag.

Has anyone seen/read a book called "Behold a Pale Horse"? Have you seen the document "Silent weapons for quiet wars"?

"They" NWO cannot read our minds, that is why so much money is spent on this technology.

If people don't start lobbying now for their rights to be preserved, it's a runaway train.

Look at all the media around you, I had lunch the other day in a place beaming very loud music, and the two lines kept repeating in my head the rest of the day. It is not an accident the influx of rapping (repetition is effective form of mind control) and sonic noise, each video is embedded with all the bells and whistles on whatever level they want to effect. Words standing out were "beautiful girl / Suicidal". I turned on the television the next day and they were playing that same track as a background to a bridal fashion parade! You might think I am off track here, but I am warning of stuff that is all around us, let alone the horrendous stuff some patients of mental treatments have been subjected to.

The advertising industry is complicit. So certainly the major publishing houses are part of the act.

The Stanford Research Unit, involved in remote viewing with the Scientologist Inigo Swann. Ron Hubbard (ex military) was connected to A. Crowley, CIA, NASA. Read about Tesla, Steiner. "Angels dont play this HAARP" by Nick Begich.

The military have a frequency map of every organ in the body, how to make it well, how to tamper without detection. You do not even need to use chemical means to introduce a sickness, you just need the electromagnetic signature.

Certainly be present in the NOW, and realise what is being beamed at you, from where, for whose gain and to what end. Do not be "spaced out" in the NOW. NOW=NWO????

Don't cry that someone is wanting you to give up being in denial of what danger is present. You can still smell the roses, for the moment.

Notice both.

Yes, ugliness is hard to look at. Look while you can still see.

[intruder]

so what you're saying is that NOW is an anagram for NWO.....subtle bastards huh!?!

[chicken]

The military have a frequency map of every organ in the body, how to make it well, how to tamper without detection. You do not even need to use chemical means to introduce a sickness, you just need the electromagnetic signature.

This is absolutely true. A English Dr Peter Manners went off to Germany just after the war and was "trained" by a doctor working on "electromagnetics" . The German doctor learnt his knowledge via the conecentration camps and the poor victims who had to have this done to them in the name of scientific torture. He came back and called it cymatics.

In broad terms - its the hz frequency of each organ and more - there is a diometry book on this. Its the frequencies being resonated through the organs and the shapes and patterns and forms made in our internal liquid which in turn makes the mattter. The liquid creates a memory of the shape and form - resulting in the pain we get. Each shape represent pain. Combine with frequencies on the spectrum and modulation - you get the range

chicken

[chicken]

If people don't start lobbying now for their rights to be preserved, it's a runaway train.

Agreed on that one.

You mention mental patients - well I think that the mental patient and e-harassment and stalking actually stems from the doctors and mental health itself. Just look at the history - its in black and white

Not many take the time to read about that one. I did. Yes Scientology had a massive input as well as EST.

I live in an area where I have hit the "jackpot" because have satanism, the occult, Darwin, eugenics, a huge "mental health facility". Lots of doctors are freemasons I understand. Maybe I upset a doctor then? Who was sadistic enought to do this to me. And he happened to be a Theosopholist as well?

I did not realise myself all the stuff about the new age - for me it is too late. I am a TI - I am being persecuted for something. I do not hallucinate or imagine things - I am being persecuted by electromagnetics and organised stalking. I am not welcome. But don't know why?

I thought that myself about Now being NWO - :mad:

chicken

[chicken]

I think I live in an area where if its history is anything to go by - then the microchipping of its population is by and large the norm. I think it has happened already. There if you step over the line.

I remember driving past a kid the other day. He had two bags of shopping. I distinctly remember when I actually drove up to him. He dropped his bags and they split and he was holding his head in pain. I was shocked and turned around to see more and he was still holding his head? I had to turn the other way quickly as I did not want to crash.

Why was that - you see when you are stalked - its not like how you imagine. Its a different thing altogether in a way - its about subliminal messaging and is connected to NLP. There is no doubt that it is occult in practice. Read The Hidden Evil by Mark Rich. Tells you all about it. Poor sod has gone missing. Nobody knows where he has gone. He was a victim.

Someone has warned me to leave the area - someone knew the area - but not me. I could not prise it out of him

Also the Publishing company who publishes NOW is in my town? We have a very strange hospital which has a bad reputation, and the army barracks and a RAF station. Plenty of oppotunity to bump me off then. The technological know how is here. It all fits........

Weird stuff - I know all that I have said adds up. This is the centre of the Occult. Also look up King - he set up the arthurus society. I think thats what it is called. It was considered a cult too

:eek: chicken

[asentinel]

Dear Chicken,

The co-incidences are very real. I am wondering if anybody on the forum knows how to help you. Is there some way to be free of the implant? Have you taken any homeopathic remedies to help with your energy field? Are there any devices you can install in your home or on your body or clothing? No tinfoil, just yet please??!!! Joking.

I remember reading one thread on here where someone had visited David with something. I will investigate and hopefully others will as well. Hang in there.

Can you find music to play thru headphones to help??

[chicken]

The co-incidences are very real. I am wondering if anybody on the forum knows how to help you. Is there some way to be free of the implant?

Deca is another TI - we have skyped each other. Chatted for hours - this helped. I have been warned to walk around it - then I will keep walking. How can you walk around something like this - which means they have it in for me I am afraid. This is not a wild guess. The community are getting drawn in - then bump I will disappear. My crap messaging from whoever - via unwelcome text messages "silence makes you lucky" was one. I also am told that - I will pass on goods to whom?

I am also aware that the NHS has been infiltrated by a cult group or two - in mental health there were always cults. Like Scientology and the Theosophical Society and the others. It seems appropriate that a cult would be involved somewhere.

Or someone outside of the system paid to do the dirty work.

The implant - ye where would they have put it? Spine, neck? God knows - I have asked a paper to help me raise some funds to go elsewhere to find it and remove it.

Heard devices are useless - so I grin and bear it? well - not quite. I never thought that this would happen to me. I thought I had a long life - maybe not now. Someone decided I do not deserve to live a good life

Changing someones reality - is a sign of something sinister and very deep I feel.

I am able to work - and am able to listen to music at work through an ipod - which is handy. I design and make kiddies shoes out of fabric

chicken

[asentinel]

Deca is another TI - we have skyped each other. Chatted for hours - this helped. I have been warned to walk around it - then I will keep walking. How can you walk around something like this - which means they have it in for me I am afraid. This is not a wild guess. The community are getting drawn in - then bump I will disappear. My crap messaging from whoever - via unwelcome text messages "silence makes you lucky" was one. I also am told that - I will pass on goods to whom?

I am also aware that the NHS has been infiltrated by a cult group or two - in mental health there were always cults. Like Scientology and the Theosophical Society and the others. It seems appropriate that a cult would be involved somewhere.

Or someone outside of the system paid to do the dirty work.

The implant - ye where would they have put it? Spine, neck? God knows - I have asked a paper to help me raise some funds to go elsewhere to find it and remove it.

Heard devices are useless - so I grin and bear it? well - not quite. I never thought that this would happen to me. I thought I had a long life - maybe not now. Someone decided I do not deserve to live a good life

Changing someones reality - is a sign of something sinister and very deep I feel.

I am able to work - and am able to listen to music at work through an ipod - which is handy. I design and make kiddies shoes out of fabric

chicken

Do you know I just tried to login in from a friend's computer two days ago and I saw a site which posted all the login name and passwords for this forum. Sorry to say, there are weird and twisted people influenced by what we do not know. I have had experience with the Scientologists, and I know how dangerous they are. Part of their code actually states they are entitled to attack those who do not support them. A really spiritual community, hey?? I have suggested on this forum that they are dangerous and someone just pooh poohed the idea.

Can you think of (but do not share with anybody) the time you were vulnerable to the implant, were you having a procedure done in hospital or local surgery? When were you not in control of your awareness? Maybe you can isolate an instance and a situation where you have knowledge of something which someone might be threatened by?

Do you think it was injected into bloodstream? Have you had anyone do a scan? Do you have any scars you cannot justify?

I am thinking with people meditating for you, sending remote healing, maybe the thing could be disabled. Could you have something implanted to neutralise it?

Do you have funds to relocate? Can the forum help with this?

I have awoken (in the early morning) twice feeling something like an insect bite on my foot, and stinging sensation, and I reached down to find a very fine splinter, I thought. I tried to pull it out, and it was like a fine piece of glass, but so fine, it could have been fibre optic. This does not make sense, and most people would say I was hallucinating, or dreaming. It was clear or opaque, I just brushed it off and as I was still half asleep I did not bother to try to keep it or have it investigated.

I am sure there are many things we are not aware of, and are capable of being manipulated beyond our scope of ability to understand.

Drink spiking is a virtual epidemic here. The level of mentality of people who think it is amusing or acceptable to interfere with another's free will is disgusting.

Where do you feel pain? Do you hear voices or noises? Do you think your thoughts are being intercepted or controlled?

Has anybody else any ideas??

[chicken]

Asentinal

Well - so many questions and not masses of answers I am afraid.

Yes - there are weird and twisted people about - I am totally shocked by what is happening to me. I know others are too about their situations - not just me.

A year ago if you could have read the future and said this was what was happening or was going to happen I would have laughed a lot. "You must be joking I would have thought"

Is it CO$? - don't know, but it has that flavour unfortunately. The local community are now attacking me from a distance - why? I think I appear to have a few believe me - unless they are part of this as well.

I just cannot get my head around it.....

I get the standard hand gestures, the stupid sinister grins, the out of the ordinary body movements indicating something horrible and it has stepped up a gear this week. I got a job - thats what did it - they do not want me here I feel.

I was told to walk around it - I have on the whole. Did loads of research and get the picture very much. I was rung up and told it was CO$ or Landmark - did I believe that - well hell no!! Maybe these people were right - oh maybe the advisers were CO$ and were telling me about stuff on their own turf? This is why they knew loads. Now that makes sense.

The church has many front groups - which appear ordinary but the back is sinister and horrible from what I have read. You would not believe what has happened to me this year

I know about that - the attacking part - they call it in their speak - "dead agenting" or "fair game". Theta means life, antitheta means death. If you attack others you attack yourself is what they say. This is sort of whats happening to me - I find out about stuff - relate it to me and a few people get it - then I get attacked. I have been warned three times - face to face about various things. I just don't know who they are? Are they CO$, or a lethal society? They seem to run the local area - I then thought freemasons as this is theosophical thought and the area is in some bits quite hippy and new age in places.

Well there are two schools of thought - yes and no - nothing inbetween. Are they dangerous? Well if it is CO$ I have come up against then from a personal experience then yes they are dangerous. I can't take a second hand view can I. You have to experience it for yourself.

The implant - well had a blood test. Was put out by someone, and had a weekend on my own. So anyone of those could be it? Lots to choose from. Had a massive bloodshot eye?

Can't get a scan? Tried that....no scars....could be put in a oriface, ears, eyes, nose, lower regions, mouth?

Can I relocate? - no - have a family up here. I was told to leave the area by someone else as he said it was dangerous up here. Now that I agree with. I am not sure how long I will last - will I be chased out of town? Don't know?

Was threatened in my home area too - with change your story or else kind of thing....

I would like the forum help with raising funds - for me and Deca to get scans - now that would be a good one. He is not sure about his situation either. Norway would be our bet for scans.....

Remote healing - well not sure that really works. I know that the remote stuff I get is not healing in any way, shape or form. I have been had big time. I get remote abuse...

All TI's have their privacy attacked. My whole being is open to scrutiny - I can run but cannot hide. Its like being hunted..... I am so open to abuse now - I will have what they do to me done anyway. I am scuppered....


I am sure there are many things we are not aware of, and are capable of being manipulated beyond our scope of ability to understand.

I think you are right there......

Where do you feel pain? Do you hear voices or noises? Do you think your thoughts are being intercepted or controlled?

yes have body pain - the usual concoction - orchestrated one thing after another. No voices - just microwave hearing. yes to thoughts intercepted - controlled? well I have had that done to me in a massive blitz....

I want my life back .... its like being in the twilight zone......


chicken

[asentinel]

Asentinal

Well - so many questions and not masses of answers I am afraid.

Yes - there are weird and twisted people about - I am totally shocked by what is happening to me. I know others are too about their situations - not just me.

A year ago if you could have read the future and said this was what was happening or was going to happen I would have laughed a lot. "You must be joking I would have thought"

Is it CO$? - don't know, but it has that flavour unfortunately. The local community are now attacking me from a distance - why? I think I appear to have a few believe me - unless they are part of this as well.

I just cannot get my head around it.....

I get the standard hand gestures, the stupid sinister grins, the out of the ordinary body movements indicating something horrible and it has stepped up a gear this week. I got a job - thats what did it - they do not want me here I feel.

I was told to walk around it - I have on the whole. Did loads of research and get the picture very much. I was rung up and told it was CO$ or Landmark - did I believe that - well hell no!! Maybe these people were right - oh maybe the advisers were CO$ and were telling me about stuff on their own turf? This is why they knew loads. Now that makes sense.

The church has many front groups - which appear ordinary but the back is sinister and horrible from what I have read. You would not believe what has happened to me this year

I know about that - the attacking part - they call it in their speak - "dead agenting" or "fair game". Theta means life, antitheta means death. If you attack others you attack yourself is what they say. This is sort of whats happening to me - I find out about stuff - relate it to me and a few people get it - then I get attacked. I have been warned three times - face to face about various things. I just don't know who they are? Are they CO$, or a lethal society? They seem to run the local area - I then thought freemasons as this is theosophical thought and the area is in some bits quite hippy and new age in places.

Well there are two schools of thought - yes and no - nothing inbetween. Are they dangerous? Well if it is CO$ I have come up against then from a personal experience then yes they are dangerous. I can't take a second hand view can I. You have to experience it for yourself.

The implant - well had a blood test. Was put out by someone, and had a weekend on my own. So anyone of those could be it? Lots to choose from. Had a massive bloodshot eye?

Can't get a scan? Tried that....no scars....could be put in a oriface, ears, eyes, nose, lower regions, mouth?

Can I relocate? - no - have a family up here. I was told to leave the area by someone else as he said it was dangerous up here. Now that I agree with. I am not sure how long I will last - will I be chased out of town? Don't know?

Was threatened in my home area too - with change your story or else kind of thing....

I would like the forum help with raising funds - for me and Deca to get scans - now that would be a good one. He is not sure about his situation either. Norway would be our bet for scans.....

Remote healing - well not sure that really works. I know that the remote stuff I get is not healing in any way, shape or form. I have been had big time. I get remote abuse...

All TI's have their privacy attacked. My whole being is open to scrutiny - I can run but cannot hide. Its like being hunted..... I am so open to abuse now - I will have what they do to me done anyway. I am scuppered....




I think you are right there......



yes have body pain - the usual concoction - orchestrated one thing after another. No voices - just microwave hearing. yes to thoughts intercepted - controlled? well I have had that done to me in a massive blitz....

I want my life back .... its like being in the twilight zone......


chicken

I have a little experience with this lot. I had to change my phone number as they incessantly rang me and even sent someone to my home to get me to finish a "course" I had pulled out of. I moved and changed my phone number, but they owe me money, which they claim is a donation, when you want to have it back. Then you have to go through a session of auditing, (lie detector test) to allow them to refund, it is intimidation. I agree about the wheels within wheels.

Do you know I had a shocking dream (blew me away at the time but with hindsight I believe it was accurate) about Clearwater and their organisation, that they were actually doing occult rituals to open a gateway/portal to allow entities through. In the dream I was working at the place (this could be substitution) and found out their agenda, read documents, and was called to an office, a person (with three faces, maybe three entities in one) and they turned around and pointed a weapon and shot me through the third eye. I left my body and was looking down at the slumped body in the chair. Later I was looking up net stories of people damaged by them and there was a story of a girl who was found dead at their headquarters. I feel they have tried to separate many people from family and mess with them. When something goes wrong or someone tries to blow the whistle, they are found suicided. The level of self protection they use is paranoid.

They wanted me to sign up for a course and I said I was going on holiday first and would consider it then. They were shitty about that and do you know I was called constantly before I left and under stress, caught flu on the flight and spent the whole trip totally wiped out. They "employ" damaged people on social security benefits, then also divvy up the spoils of fees gathered from unsuspecting pawns.

Parasitic cult. Anyway I am sure you know all about it. Insult is they are operating as a charity/church. Are you anywhere near their special orgs? Is it Saint Hill or ??

They try to get people into all levels of government. I think they have political ambitions for tomkat??

I have called to ask the local org director to follow up my claim and she was a total bitch idiot to me on the phone, so this is not advertisement for any sort of person in charge of helping others. They are desperate and usually ill-educated people, who think they can cling to something to give them a leg-up in the world. Unfortunately there is a lot of cash behind them, and some sinister types protecting that stockpile.

Sorry what is TI? A bit dull this morn am afraid! Also I might have a contact in Norway, who could perhaps help with accommodation.

Perhaps someone on the forum can clairvoyantly isolate the implant, or tell if there is not one?? Can you do some energy exercises? I think this is a form of witchcraft/voodoo.

PLEASE, ANYONE OUT THERE READING THIS, COULD YOU PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO HOW THESE TWO PEOPLE CAN BE HELPED.

Can you put a brief question to the healing thread? I am sure there are some healers in the forum.

Chicken, where do you feel pain? I will concentrate on that.

[chicken]

changing my phone number or address will not help me - oh - no!!. I have these guys for life - so I read anyway. That seems to be the American version.

I am electronically hooked to them via an implant - I can never escape them

I am in th UK so not sure what this version will do. I had been warned they were much more effective and effecient?

I will have my car wrecked and won't be able to get to work now - car was left outside garage for the MOT. They have access to it.
A TI - targeted Individual said that they remotely cut out the engine from a distance - so when car was checked it was fine. But it kept happening - the target lost their job as a result. There are only so many ideas in the world. There is a web-site or manual somewhere about stalking. It is connected to psychology aka mental health

[chicken]

Freemasonry is in bed with the Theosophical Society in a BIG way, an occult organization that provided training for both Hitler's men and Lenin's in the 1920's. Why would this be? Because, behind this mask, Freemasonry and the New World Order are Nazism revived.

this answers my question.....Now back to Tolle


chicken

[chicken]

Tolle is published by Namaste. Namaste Publishing are based in Darwin country in the UK. Well one of its bases is

Now what a strange coincidence that is?

Eckhart Tolle's work is about "Eugenics" and how the world will be

There - now read it again if you do not get it

chicken

[chicken]

"Eugenics" and "Common Purpose"

This will an interesting search outcome

chicken

[chicken]

"Inner and Outer Purposes" - in my context these refer to e-harassment and organised stalking. This is why this relates to "Eugenics"

[asentinel]

I was locked out of posting yesterday, but really I was so heavy after reading your posts, other ones you made also, I can't say much to help although I would want to. It makes me sad.

Sick puppies the lot of them. I posted something earlier about a lucid dream where there were men in Nazi uniforms and swatzstika on the wall. I agree with you about the new age.

The ones you refer to are fully into witchcraft. The staff member said to me that they don't take anyone on staff who has done heavy drugs, cos they "can't get in there" the mind pathways are scrambled. She saw the look on my face and realised what she had said! Misfits!

They could be using demons to make you believe you have an implant? I am hoping for this option. Could it be a case of Spiritual Stalking using entities?

Even if the implant is there, I am hoping that you yourself with help can disable it. Am I being too optimistic.

I was once at the org and I had a disagreement with a staff member and they tried to stop me from leaving, and as I got more and more determined and angry, more and more of them kept piling into the room. I just wanted to run out and I kept repeating I AM LEAVING, I AM LEAVING NOW!

It is heavy shit and I hope you feel support of people from the forum.

Re the pain, when I was small, my mother had undiagnosed PTSD, possibly Munchausens by proxy, borderline/narcissistic personality, a cocktail possibly as that best explains her actions. She fed me sugar so she could take me to the dentist and flirt with him, get some attention, poor woman, she coaxed me to have drilling done without pain relief, she told me to say nothing hurt. So I can flip out of my body at will. You can make friends with pain. It is not a good solution, but hang in there.

Be well.

[goatboyhicks]

Lets rephrase the title shall we.

The power of Murdoch.

Yes, this is Tolle's power via Harper Collins. I'm sure he is on your side and helping you to cope with all your NWO problems!


I don´t believe you have read any of tolle´s work, which is quite important when discussing said author.

[tejas]

Tolle is published by Namaste. Namaste Publishing are based in Darwin country in the UK. Well one of its bases is

Now what a strange coincidence that is?

Eckhart Tolle's work is about "Eugenics" and how the world will be

There - now read it again if you do not get it

chicken

Chicken what about the power of now message itself? How do you think that is related to eugenics or mind control?

[sunyatta60]

its not balanced then. i am a lot more spirtual. i do believe in living in the now but now when you don't care about the future. that just seems out of balance too.

How can you care about something that does not even exist? I.e the future The future is created in the present moment. All of those who are bleating about the NWO and the Reppies are going to eat us all, are giving your power away to the very dipsticks who want to enslave you.
Where Attention goes Energy flows: keep feeding those Reppies boys and girls.
Tolle is teaching what Krishna, Buddha and Christ All Taught stay in the Now moment and you have Won. Won is Now spelt backwards and btw you cannnot do a single thing with your mind projected into a nonexistent future and that is where the England team keep going wrong. They all think they have a divine right to be playing in the European Cup and World Cup so their minds are weakened by the distraction.
I know I worked with one Former England manger at club level and on trips away I used to get him talking about Icke. The Boss used to say to me Tom I wished I had you working for me when I managed England.
Now many people find it hard to get into the now moment and that is because the Mind like everything else in the universe must obey Universal Laws. One of the most important laws the Mind must obey is what we call The Law of Reversed Effect. Simply put this Law states that the Harder you try to do something the less likely it is to happen. The act of trying prevents you from the act of doing. Insomnia is one of the best examples of this law in action. If you lay there at night and you try to go to sleep, you just find you cant go, you try harder and it becomes impossible so you are tossing and turning all night long.
Tolle makes a lot of sense and his books are well worth reading I would place The Power of Now up in my top ten list of books and I have my own personal library of over 4000 at the last count.

The past, present and future are all properties of consciousness. The past is recollection, memory; the future is anticipation; the present is awareness.
Therefore time is the movement of thought. Both past and future are born in the imagination; only the present, which is awareness, is real and eternal.
The best way to prepare for any moment in the future is to be fully conscious in the present.
Deepak Chopra

[goatboyhicks]

Tolle's message is clear ( Stop thinking for yourself ) Not a good idea.



he doesn´t say that at all-

[sunyatta60]

Tolle's message is clear ( Stop thinking for yourself ) Not a good idea.


he doesn´t say that at all-

When you are thinking you are not doing A footballer who is thinking about putting a ball into the box is not doing it. A fighter cannot afford to think shall I throw a left hook if he does that he is going to get hit. Soldiers coming under fire don't think they just react in other words they are doing.
Even in chess psychologist have tried to find out how players make their moves and even here they have found it comes from deep within the player. They are relying on intution more than anything else. That is why Sportspeople and Soldiers constantly do drills so that when it comes to performing they do so without needing to think about it. The responses are automatic and come from the Subconscious mind.

[cleft_asunder]

excatly. that is what i see also. :( i mean they going to make the world a hell of a place what the hell are we going to do about it if people are living in the "Now? ugh :(

No, you are both wrong. The greatest way to change the world is to first change yourself --realize your true self, enlightenment. This goes against the illuminati, since fear has been replaced by love in you.

I have read a New Earth and it is nothing like "a New World Order." There are two possibilities after the Earth Changes, and they both seem like they are the NWO, but only one is. One is based on love and a reunion with the Earth, where we will speak one language, and the only law will be the law of love that is within ourselves. The second is one based on fear and dictatorship, the real NWO.

I think people are paranoid on this forum, always pointing fingers and calling researchers controlled. It's become ridiculous.

[cleft_asunder]

Tolle's message is clear ( Stop thinking for yourself ) Not a good idea.


he doesn´t say that at all-

When you are thinking you are not doing A footballer who is thinking about putting a ball into the box is not doing it. A fighter cannot afford to think shall I throw a left hook if he does that he is going to get hit. Soldiers coming under fire don't think they just react in other words they are doing.
Even in chess psychologist have tried to find out how players make their moves and even here they have found it comes from deep within the player. They are relying on intution more than anything else. That is why Sportspeople and Soldiers constantly do drills so that when it comes to performing they do so without needing to think about it. The responses are automatic and come from the Subconscious mind.

Stop thinking for yourself? I don't think so. He is talking about meditation, which is simply that: stopping the thinking process so that you can open yourself up to who you really are, infinite consciousness.

[seanx]

and he changed his name from Ulrich to Eckhart in honor of the German mystic Meister Eckhart.

There's this guy Chicken make nonsense connections between Hilter,
the theso society ......tavistock...and Eckhart ......when he doesn't
even know the man's actual name.

So all your connections are totally BS.

If you're paranoid, you can make connections between anybody.

Always beat me how people can make judgements on books
they've NEVER read - and know NOTHING about.

[sunyatta60]

Stop thinking for yourself? I don't think so. He is talking about meditation, which is simply that: stopping the thinking process so that you can open yourself up to who you really are, infinite consciousness.


Mate whenever you are engaged in something like dance or football you are engaged in a form of meditation. You cannot afford to think because thinking interrupt the process of doing. Next time you are doing something that involves something needing speed do me a favour and put your thinking cap on you will then have empirical proof that I am right and you are well just plain wrong.
If it was any other way people would not need to practice their skills or drill them. The responses are always automatic because the subconscious mind is the operating system in use. If you drive a car and you start thinking to yourself everytime you need to indicate or change gear then you will soon find yourself in trouble. Another thing you could do is remove one of your mirrors because we are using them subconsciously and we only notice it when they are not there.

[chandrakavi]

There's this guy Chicken make nonsense connections between Hilter,
the theso society ......tavistock...and Eckhart ......when he doesn't
even know the man's actual name.

So all your connections are totally BS.

If you're paranoid, you can make connections between anybody.

Always beat me how people can make judgements on books
they've NEVER read - and know NOTHING about.

Agree with you, judge books by the covers,
and what is more impotant they saw a comment in INTERNET,
someone elses opinion is just that, NOT YOUR OPINION.

Not people's experience.
but they have to say SOMETHING.
an INTERNET is there.

[icke_is_right]

It would seem that the skeptics view is that after reading this book one will suddenly turn off all thought and basically accept whatever fate is handed down. This has relevance but if you can turn thought off for a few minutes you are doing very well. The rest of the time, thoughts will prevail.

Another argument put forward was that this is NWO material and printed by companies associated with the NWO agenda. So what if it was? Could it be that some actual truth is put forward at some stage to further our confusion? If not, then what exactly is the truth?

Thirdly it's been said that it's brainwashing stuff. I know what brainwashing is and I am fully aware of it going on all around. So what would brain wash me in this book? Who hasn't been brainwashed before doing research for some of the truth. I increasingly come across things that change my perception.

For me this book is mainly about recognizing ego. It was interesting that some of the avid skeptics seemed extremely egocentric.

So what has this book done for me? (What have the Romans ever done for us?) It's helped me understand ego. It's helped me understand arguments and social standpoints. It's helped me understand and control more my mind and my health. I'm relaxed and not over worried by things over which I have no control. It has also helped me understand why people don't 'wake up' (whatever that means). In short this book changed my life but it takes practice and is difficult.

Am I off the NWO agenda ready to bend over and be shafted? I feel that I'm in a better position to explain the NWO to others with less ego, without shouting and with less emotion and if I am asked to do so. There are also a whole range of emotions that I am confronting and their effect on me in general. I feel great. Only if you have suffered a lot of pain can you understand what a day is like, not to suffer it.

Lastly it has helped my trading of Indecies, Gold and Silver. This in itself is a contradiction to Tolle philosophy, so perhaps evidence that I haven't been brainwashed. I just recognize the futility of worry and fear as a constant emotion.

[sunyatta60]

And seanx pretty much sums it up!!!

My post regarding the symphony is applicable to a power-punk trio as well, or, as you said...golfers, sportsmen, etc. How about a brain surgeon or a hair stylist as well? Focused, poised, and fully conscious.


I am a Sports Psychologist and basically teach this stuff, what is happening is that when you are fully conscious in the moment what we call the Zone. A higher power (your Unconscious Mind - What Jung called God BTW) takes over. And you are just an instrument being played.
When this happens, and we can and do cultivate it, Magic Happens, and we experience The Wow Moment. The art to all of this Is Letting Go, Surrendering to your Higher Self.
There is a law that Hypnotist are well aware of called The Law of Reversed Effect. This law basically implies that when you Try to do something you are not Doing. NLPers will quite rightly tell you that the word Try implies Failure.
The trick is to not try and just do it, you are looking for a Spontaneous reaction with no Conscious thought. BTW there are implications here that indicate that we do not have Freewill, that is just part of the Illusion.
I think that the experiments carried out by Neurophisiologist Benjamin Liebet make it clear that we experience time subconsciously before it happens. If this was not the case; a Tennis player would never be able to get anywhere near a ball that is coming at him at 120-140 mph.

[stairwayoflife]

Tolle is published by Namaste. Namaste Publishing are based in Darwin country in the UK. Well one of its bases is

Now what a strange coincidence that is?

Eckhart Tolle's work is about "Eugenics" and how the world will be

There - now read it again if you do not get it

chicken

Chicken...............you are misinformed.


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