Roadside bomb kills two Australians

[accuracy]

Roadside bomb kills two Diggers

NICK BUTTERLY and SHANE WRIGHT, CANBERRA,
The West Australian
June 8, 2010, 6:57 am

Two Australian troops have been killed while on patrol as part of a Taliban offense across Afghanistan.

Acting Defence force chief David Hurley said the two Brisbane based soldiers were killed by a road side bomb yesterday while they were on a foot patrol in the Mirabad valley.

It is the first time since September 1971 when more than one Australian soldier has been killed in active service on one day.

One of the soldiers was killed instantly by the bomb while the second was evacuated by helicopter but later died of his wounds.

An explosive detection dog was also killed.

Lt Gen Hurley said an investigation would be carried out into the incident.

He paid tribute to the unnamed men.

"I speak for the entire ADF and defence community when I tell you I am deeply saddened by the loss of these two brave Australian soldiers," he told a press conference in Canberra.

"The role is a dangerous one, seeking out explosive devices and other threats to keep their colleagues safe.

"They are fighting a determined enemy in the Taliban whose aim is to kill and maim coalition soldiers and Afghan security personnel."

http://l.yimg.com/ea/img/-/100608/aus_cas_graphic-160riql.jpg

The deaths were part of tragic day for coalition troops in Afghanistan.

Five American troops were killed during an improvised device attack, while a US police trainer died as a result of small arms fire.

A French soldier was killed from an anti-tank missile France President Nicolas Sarkozy confirmed, while three other French soldiers were injured during the same reconnaissance mission.

In Washington, the US condemned a deadly attack today at the Afghan national police's regional training centre in Kandahar.

"The United States will continue to stand with our Afghan partners to fight terrorism and help the Afghan government provide security, safety and prosperity to its people," State Department spokesman Philip J. Crowley said.

The bloodshed came as Taliban insurgents ramp up bombings and attacks on NATO forces ahead of a major operation in the southern Taliban stronghold of Kandahar that Washington hopes will turn the tide of the war.

In the worst single incident on Monday, five American service members were killed in a roadside bomb blast in eastern Afghanistan, the US command said.

Two more US soldiers were killed in separate attacks on Monday - one a bombing in the south and the other by small arms fire in the south.

In addition, an American contractor died in a suicide attack against the police training centre in Kandahar city, the US embassy in Kabul said.

The American contractor, who was not identified, and another person were killed when a team of three suicide bombers attacked the gates of the police training centre.

Afghan officials said one bomber blew a hole in the outer wall, enabling the other two to rush inside. But they were killed in the gunbattle that followed.

Afghan officials said three police were wounded.

The violence came as President Hamid Karzai's spokesman defended his decision to remove two of the country's top security officials.

Sunday's dismissals drew fire from some political figures linked to the alliance that helped the US oust the Taliban in 2001 and who fear the shake-up will play into the hands of the insurgents at a critical point in the war.

Karzai last week won endorsement from a national peace conference, or jirga, for his plans to offer incentives to lower-rung militants to lay down their arms, and to formulate an approach to Taliban leaders. Washington is skeptical talks should be opened with the Taliban until they have been weakened on the battlefield.

For their part, the Taliban call Karzai a US puppet and say there will be no talks while foreign troops are in Afghanistan.

The two officials who resigned each had deep backgrounds as strong opponents of the Taliban.

Intelligence chief Amrullah Saleh was a senior figure in the Northern Alliance that helped the US oust the Taliban regime in 2001. Interior Minister Hanif Atmar served in Afghanistan's Communist-era intelligence agency and fought mujahedeen opposed to the Soviet occupation.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/7362291/aussies-dead-in-afghan-attack-reports/

[accuracy]

Two Brisbane soldiers killed in Afghanistan

MARISSA CALLIGEROS
June 8, 2010 - 2:41PM

(See the video clip)

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/two-brisbane-soldiers-killed-in-afghanistan-20100608-xrgw.html?autostart=1

[primordialman]

Tough guys playing armies shouldnt expect sympathy they made their choice themselves and their families can deal with the consequences this is suppose to be a defence force.
Yet the ADF is involved in nothing but offensive actions in lands and cultures which dont concern it!.

No sympathy will come form likes of me!.

[primordialman]

http://www.smh.com.au/national/kiwis-reject-call-for-anzac-mission-in-afghanistan-20100630-zmvj.html

Seems the kiwi pollies are not onboard the US neo imperialist agenda in the same way the elite pthb in canberra are!
I must applaud the kiwi PM for his common sense, the ADF personel really are suckers for punishment their familes seem to even make excuses for their sons/daughters deaths, madening and bizzare i suppose they have to justify their loved one pointless deaths sheer luncy to say the least!

[marpat]

Tough guys playing armies shouldnt expect sympathy they made their choice themselves and their families can deal with the consequences this is suppose to be a defence force.
Yet the ADF is involved in nothing but offensive actions in lands and cultures which dont concern it!.

No sympathy will come form likes of me!.

they are not playing armies. Some of those guys are special forces, highly professional people who live with these risks every day. Do you think they would want sympathy from a keyboard warrior like you, hiding behind a computer screen trying to be the big man?

[boots]

You prick, they are not playing armies. Some of those guys are special forces, highly professional people who live with these risks every day. Do you think they would want sympathy from a keyboard warrior like you, hiding behind a computer screen trying to be the big man?


"You prick" !!

Thats not very nice. Are you one too?

Primordialman has a good point. Except I deplore the term "tough guy's" These poor unfortunate souls are working for an agenda that they know nothing about.

My mates cousin was in the special forces. this fella wrote a book and it was also made into a movie....Dont worry I'll get the facts, soon enough for you....The PTB left these guys for dead, dropped them in the combat zone and forgot about them. Even thou they radioed for help.

What you will never see marpat is that soldiers are just pawns in a game. A game played by the elite.

Soldiers are meant as a DEFENSE forces NOT to go and fight for a multinational corporation.

Try and break away from your programming.


.

[marpat]

"You prick" !!

Thats not very nice. Are you one too?

Primordialman has a good point. Except I deplore the term "tough guy's" These poor unfortunate souls are working for an agenda that they know nothing about.

My mates cousin was in the special forces. this fella wrote a book and it was also made into a movie....Dont worry I'll get the facts, soon enough for you....The PTB left these guys for dead, dropped them in the combat zone and forgot about them. Even thou they radioed for help.

What you will never see marpat is that soldiers are just pawns in a game. A game played by the elite.

Soldiers are meant as a DEFENSE forces NOT to go and fight for a multinational corporation.

Try and break away from your programming.


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lol, programming. These people volunteer for these dangerous jobs. They may be pawns but they are willing ones.

That story you mention sounds a bit like Bravo 2-0. I guess when people get dropped off in really dangerous places there may be far greater risks trying to get them out if they are compromised, such as loss of aircraft, etc. Im sure people in such situations appreciate that, this is why they get all that survival and E&E training, etc. All soldiers know they are expendable.

The truth is that many soldiers want to see action and if that means they are involved in an invasion then they will be happy to be part of that. They are not going to get deeply involved with politics and stuff like that.

[primordialman]

they are not playing armies. Some of those guys are special forces, highly professional people who live with these risks every day. Do you think they would want sympathy from a keyboard warrior like you, hiding behind a computer screen trying to be the big man?

Sure they are, its all one big game for psychos that have bloodlust much like yourself it seems!. If they are SAS all the more reason they are psycopaths.
Its a fact many of these some guys become neo nazis or outlaw bikers when they leave the services they are nothing but loose cannons and potential criminals not the kind of figures that deserve veneration as mainstream media and government would have it!

The facts are the majority of the Australian(many are not even citizens, we have more perm residents than citizens) public will simply not stand behind the military or give them any respect except the families of service personel and they are far from the majority in Australia.

They are suppose to exist, to serve the people and the nation they represent not their own agenda!. It is indeed the height of stupidity to watch the ADF off in some desert land fighting CIA/MI6 created terrorist muslims when we have a huge domestic muslim population in our big cities,(and growing), some of whom have been proven to be & are convicted terrorists within our own borders!.
Whom a succesion of bipartisan govs both right&left have allowed willfully into a Australia(duh is it any wonder why!)
Ofcause the whole war on terror is complete fraud, a state sanctioned intel false flag operation created to prop up western economies with drug money especially now that gangster capitalism is failing globally big time, now thats a fact I can prove!.

btw As for the rest of your provaction i wont be taking the bait your intel op phony Marphat ive been keeping my eye on you since day one on this fora like I said PHONY!

[marpat]

lol, keeping an eye on me. Who are you like? think you are some secret agent or something?

[marpat]

Sure they are, its all one big game for psychos that have bloodlust much like yourself it seems!. If they are SAS all the more reason they are psycopaths.
Its a fact many of these some guys become neo nazis or outlaw bikers when they leave the services they are nothing but loose cannons and potential criminals not the kind of figures that deserve veneration as mainstream media and government would have it!

The facts are the majority of the Australian(many are not even citizens, we have more perm residents than citizens) public will simply not stand behind the military or give them any respect except the families of service personel and they are far from the majority in Australia.

They are suppose to exist, to serve the people and the nation they represent not their own agenda!. It is indeed the height of stupidity to watch the ADF off in some desert land fighting CIA/MI6 created terrorist muslims when we have a huge domestic muslim population in our big cities,(and growing), some of whom have been proven to be & are convicted terrorists within our own borders!.
Whom a succesion of bipartisan govs both right&left have allowed willfully into a Australia(duh is it any wonder why!)
Ofcause the whole war on terror is complete fraud, a state sanctioned intel false flag operation created to prop up western economies with drug money especially now that gangster capitalism is failing globally big time, now thats a fact I can prove!.

btw As for the rest of your provaction i wont be taking the bait your intel op phony Marphat ive been keeping my eye on you since day one on this fora like I said PHONY!

They struggle when they leave the service beecause they are given nothing to help them adjust with their lives. Its nothing to do with them being psychos or any other crap like that. The fact is they may serve for 20 years, be used to a life of harsh discipline, etc. constant training for war, then they leave and become civilians, getting an 9-5 job working at a post office, or something like that.

So most Australians dont support their own troops? I find that a bit suprising. Do they punish their service people for being put into positions by politicians? the fact is that most soldiers would not want respect from everybody. Im sure that the love and respect of their family and friends is sufficient for them, as well as the respect they are given by their comrades. What people like you think wont matter in the long run.

[marpat]

"You prick" !!

Thats not very nice. Are you one too?

Primordialman has a good point. Except I deplore the term "tough guy's" These poor unfortunate souls are working for an agenda that they know nothing about.

My mates cousin was in the special forces. this fella wrote a book and it was also made into a movie....Dont worry I'll get the facts, soon enough for you....The PTB left these guys for dead, dropped them in the combat zone and forgot about them. Even thou they radioed for help.

What you will never see marpat is that soldiers are just pawns in a game. A game played by the elite.

Soldiers are meant as a DEFENSE forces NOT to go and fight for a multinational corporation.

Try and break away from your programming.


.

Haven't you heard the military phrase 'the best form of defence is attack'.

[entrangermercenary]

Sure they are, its all one big game for psychos that have bloodlust much like yourself it seems!. If they are SAS all the more reason they are psycopaths.
Its a fact many of these some guys become neo nazis or outlaw bikers when they leave the services they are nothing but loose cannons and potential criminals not the kind of figures that deserve veneration as mainstream media and government would have it!

The facts are the majority of the Australian(many are not even citizens, we have more perm residents than citizens) public will simply not stand behind the military or give them any respect except the families of service personel and they are far from the majority in Australia.

They are suppose to exist, to serve the people and the nation they represent not their own agenda!. It is indeed the height of stupidity to watch the ADF off in some desert land fighting CIA/MI6 created terrorist muslims when we have a huge domestic muslim population in our big cities,(and growing), some of whom have been proven to be & are convicted terrorists within our own borders!.
Whom a succesion of bipartisan govs both right&left have allowed willfully into a Australia(duh is it any wonder why!)
Ofcause the whole war on terror is complete fraud, a state sanctioned intel false flag operation created to prop up western economies with drug money especially now that gangster capitalism is failing globally big time, now thats a fact I can prove!.

btw As for the rest of your provaction i wont be taking the bait your intel op phony Marphat ive been keeping my eye on you since day one on this fora like I said PHONY!

Correct it is a game.....big boys games....big boys rules springs to mind ;)

So if you train and train for a job...well you want to see if you can handle the job live after training...quite simple really....not rocket science :)

Everybody I knew ...without exception would be like a little kid if told to get your kit and get on the tarmac ready to deploy....cest la vie :D


Many of these guys become neo nazis or bikers....you got any figures on this as that would be interesting !!!!

Most ex special forces from the last 10yrs or so would go into private security now as the money aint bad !!! And plenty of opportunity for that as well....in fact its really a closed shop for them lads...if you aint served in spec ops you aint getting in!!!!

Been keeping an eye on me as well ?? ;) :)

[primordialman]

So most Australians dont support their own troops? I find that a bit suprising. Do they punish their service people for being put into positions by politicians? the fact is that most soldiers would not want respect from everybody. Im sure that the love and respect of their family and friends is sufficient for them, as well as the respect they are given by their comrades. What people like you think wont matter in the long run.

AUSTRALIANS? What is Australian! It is like asking whom is english or whom or what is white!
Australian is anyone with piece of paper saying saying citizen something which is increasingly worth about as much toilet paper!.
Any way one does not have to be AUSTRALIAN to live in Australia a prime example is the refugees & 457 Visa holders are masters of knowing that!.

Something which aus governments and authorities themselves encourage after all we all "ONE WORLD A WORLD WITHOUT BORDERS", arent we according the globalist, jetsetting immigrant middle class swill of the world!.
And for the record yes I have travelled internationally myself namely to europe, however in my case its maybe a once in lifetime event.
For the well healed its every six months plus they are usually trying to get working visas especially if they are come to Aus!.


What people like you think wont matter in the long run.

In the long run just as in vietnam they are fighting war they cannot hope to possibly win! If they have success i would eat my words, however I know it wont be necessary because it just wont happen they will loose utterly and Afghanistan will be another far east basket case!.

Pakistan next door is where the terrorists are hiding now. Are the western govs,high command going to order an invasion of that country? I doubt it yet there are more militant muslim terrorists there than anywhere!.

In the long RUN the goal of US hegemonists is WORLD GOVERNMENT something i thought this fora was dead against something which icke likes to call the MATRIX! However seems someone like yourself is their agent provoacateur "MARFAT THE PHONY COME ON DOWN":DLOL

[boots]

Haven't you heard the military phrase 'the best form of defence is attack'.

Whats the term mean DEFENSE FORCE??

I know you like to take a post out of context to suit your ego and argument.

Thats what you are paid to do................isn't?

OR

Are you ignorant of the fact the Armed forces are used to further the agenda of a few multinational corporations.


" MOVING FORWARD "

SAS are smart people. Once they get out of the programming they start to realize they have been used, not to protect the citizen but for the purpose of expanding an agenda.

Would you agree with that statement or are you ignorant of the facts?


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[boots]

lol, programming. These people volunteer for these dangerous jobs. They may be pawns but they are willing ones.

That story you mention sounds a bit like Bravo 2-0. I guess when people get dropped off in really dangerous places there may be far greater risks trying to get them out if they are compromised, such as loss of aircraft, etc. Im sure people in such situations appreciate that, this is why they get all that survival and E&E training, etc. All soldiers know they are expendable.

The truth is that many soldiers want to see action and if that means they are involved in an invasion then they will be happy to be part of that. They are not going to get deeply involved with politics and stuff like that.

Yes that is the movie/book I'll still have to confirm that with my friend, but from memory, that was it.


ROFLMO.

Programming since childhood.:p

Forgive them for they no not what they do.


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[marpat]

SAS are smart people. Once they get out of the programming they start to realize they have been used, not to protect the citizen but for the purpose of expanding an agenda.

Would you agree with that statement or are you ignorant of the facts?

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That must be why they move into private security firms instead. Instead of a government paying them they get paid by private companies. Perhaps you are ignorant of the facts

[marpat]

Yes that is the movie/book I'll still have to confirm that with my friend, but from memory, that was it.


ROFLMO.

Programming since childhood.:p

Forgive them for they no not what they do.


.

So you claimed they were left for dead? well that is bollocks for a start. They could not get help because they had a comms failure, according to the story of the soldiers themselves. I know the standard story well enough. I have even read McNabs book on it.

[marpat]

AUSTRALIANS? What is Australian! It is like asking whom is english or whom or what is white!
Australian is anyone with piece of paper saying saying citizen something which is increasingly worth about as much toilet paper!.
Any way one does not have to be AUSTRALIAN to live in Australia a prime example is the refugees & 457 Visa holders are masters of knowing that!.

Something which aus governments and authorities themselves encourage after all we all "ONE WORLD A WORLD WITHOUT BORDERS", arent we according the globalist, jetsetting immigrant middle class swill of the world!.
And for the record yes I have travelled internationally myself namely to europe, however in my case its maybe a once in lifetime event.
For the well healed its every six months plus they are usually trying to get working visas especially if they are come to Aus!.


In the long run just as in vietnam they are fighting war they cannot hope to possibly win! If they have success i would eat my words, however I know it wont be necessary because it just wont happen they will loose utterly and Afghanistan will be another far east basket case!.

Pakistan next door is where the terrorists are hiding now. Are the western govs,high command going to order an invasion of that country? I doubt it yet there are more militant muslim terrorists there than anywhere!.

In the long RUN the goal of US hegemonists is WORLD GOVERNMENT something i thought this fora was dead against something which icke likes to call the MATRIX! However seems someone like yourself is their agent provoacateur "MARFAT THE PHONY COME ON DOWN":DLOL

The US want global control? that means they will have to rule over their allies as well then. You are just another parrot.

Phony? whatever

[lightgiver]

So you claimed they were left for dead? well that is bollocks for a start. They could not get help because they had a comms failure, according to the story of the soldiers themselves. I know the standard story well enough. I have even read McNabs book on it.

In 2002, Channel 4 aired Asher's documentary (which accompanied his book), also titled The Real Bravo Two Zero directed and produced by Gavin Searle

Synopses

TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH: The REAL BRAVO TWO ZERO


Desert explorer and former SAS trooper Michael Asher attempts to discover the truth behind the Bravo Two Zero special forces operation, which saw 8 SAS soldiers dropped behind enemy lines during the Gulf War. The mission has become famous through books written by two of its survivors under the pseudonyms Andy McNab and Chris Ryan, but after tracking down key figures Asher unearths a list of INACCURACIES and EXAGGERATIONS by the two men.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Michae...r/108381826037

Both McNab's and Ryan's earlier accounts were critiqued by SAS reserve veteran Michael Asher in The Real Bravo Two Zero . In 2001, Asher followed the original path of the patrol, interviewing local Iraqis who witnessed the events. The book was released in 2003.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/audio_video/programmes/panorama/transcripts/transcript_10_02_02.txt

What really happened when the now famous eight-man SAS patrol went behind enemy lines in the Gulf War? This really is the true story of the SAS operation that made millionaires of the two men in the patrol... Intelligence sources say this is a powerful 'expose' of the men called 'McNab' and 'Ryan'.'EYE SPY Vol II, issue 16, 2003 'SAS Trooper Michael Asher's powerful re-telling of the truth behind Bravo Two Zero and The One That Got Away raises serious questions as to how tall were these two tales in the first place

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[entrangermercenary]

In 2002, Channel 4 aired Asher's documentary (which accompanied his book), also titled The Real Bravo Two Zero directed and produced by Gavin Searle

Synopses

TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH: The REAL BRAVO TWO ZERO


Desert explorer and former SAS trooper Michael Asher attempts to discover the truth behind the Bravo Two Zero special forces operation, which saw 8 SAS soldiers dropped behind enemy lines during the Gulf War. The mission has become famous through books written by two of its survivors under the pseudonyms Andy McNab and Chris Ryan, but after tracking down key figures Asher unearths a list of INACCURACIES and EXAGGERATIONS by the two men.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Michae...r/108381826037

Both McNab's and Ryan's earlier accounts were critiqued by SAS reserve veteran Michael Asher in The Real Bravo Two Zero . In 2001, Asher followed the original path of the patrol, interviewing local Iraqis who witnessed the events. The book was released in 2003.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/audio_video/programmes/panorama/transcripts/transcript_10_02_02.txt

What really happened when the now famous eight-man SAS patrol went behind enemy lines in the Gulf War? This really is the true story of the SAS operation that made millionaires of the two men in the patrol... Intelligence sources say this is a powerful 'expose' of the men called 'McNab' and 'Ryan'.'EYE SPY Vol II, issue 16, 2003 'SAS Trooper Michael Asher's powerful re-telling of the truth behind Bravo Two Zero and The One That Got Away raises serious questions as to how tall were these two tales in the first place

http://www.amazon.com/Real-Bravo-Two-Zero-Paperbacks/dp/0304365548



Good read that :)

Any body who is in the armed forces and doesnt think they are expendable wants there head looking at... I think there is a poster on here who was lets say HUNG OUT TO DRY !!!!!!!!!!

The RSM does have a point about the volunteer side of serving in that Regiment and the SBS.....If you want to serve...well you have to sign the paperwork.....maybe a 20yr gagging order !!!! Its hardly appropriate to be writing about ops a cple years down the line, when possibly the same tactics are being used

Dien bien phu springs to mind for expendability :eek:

http://www.historynet.com/battle-of-dien-bien-phu.htm

Nice avatar btw ;)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=794&pictureid=7669

[onourway]

damn right I'm a pussy.....because I won't go to another country and slaughter some innocent civilians,,,,,but if the Afghani's come to my town.......I won't be a pussy any more

...actually I'm a puppy....lol

[onourway]

I hate to say it but hearing about the dog was more disturbing....... but still I'm really bummed to hear about these two fellows

[boots]

Originally Posted by boots http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1059019238#post1059019238)

SAS are smart people. Once they get out of the programming they start to realize they have been used, not to protect the citizen but for the purpose of expanding an agenda.

Would you agree with that statement or are you ignorant of the facts?


That must be why they move into private security firms instead. Instead of a government paying them they get paid by private companies. Perhaps you are ignorant of the facts

I see you agree, by admission. That once they realize that the have used to further the agenda of TPTB, they write books exposing the fact they were just cannon fodder.

Whether they work for a private security firm. (corporation) or wash dishes for a living, is inconsequential.

So you claimed they were left for dead? well that is bollocks for a start. They could not get help because they had a comms failure, according to the story of the soldiers themselves. I know the standard story well enough. I have even read McNabs book on it.

LOL Dear, oh dear. You really are programmed aren't you.

Thanks for the transcript LG. ;)

It clearly shows that the "command" didn't want to help them and that they were expendable.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/audio_video/programmes/panorama/transcripts/transcript_10_02_02.txt

MAL
SAS Member of Bravo Two Zero
As you would have expected, the commanding officer was there, greeted us and we
went into his room - his
study, sat down and he welcomed us back and seemed glad to see us and he broke
open a bottle of
champagne, again we'd expect that, that was nice - for a chat and a welcome back.
But things changed at
that moment, once we had the champagne in our hands and cheers 'welcome back' I
remember this moment
very clearly, and there was a pause. He was obviously picking his moment to
actually hit us with this
information and he said words to this effect, he said - and those of you who
might be wondering, don't
worry, we're not.. or I am not going to court-martial you for anything you might
have done. Now all of us
were in there and that simply rocked us back on our heels and we thought what on
earth is this man talking
about. He was not going to court-martial us, as though we'd done something
horribly wrong. A very
strange reaction.

TAYLOR: A joke?

MAL: Definitely not a joke, of that we need to absolutely clear.

TAYLOR: Mike appeared in the New Zealand High Court last year to fight the
MoD's gag on his book. He
and Mal tell the same story.

MIKE COBURN
Shocking among his revelations to us was a statement that he had decided not to
court-martial the surviving
members of the patrol, further that in effect were expendable.

TAYLOR: Did you ask the commanding officer, when you met him back at Hereford
why the rescue
mission had not been launched.

MAL: I didn't personally ask him that, but that question was asked.

TAYLOR: And he said?

MAL: This I remember clear as day as well and it is damming stuff really. He
said, in effect, that he was
prepared to risk a squadron of SAS for a scud missile and that we were in effect
expendable.

TAYLOR: Expendable?

MAL: Expendable.

[boots]

In 2002, Channel 4 aired Asher's documentary (which accompanied his book), also titled The Real Bravo Two Zero directed and produced by Gavin Searle

Synopses

TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH: The REAL BRAVO TWO ZERO


Desert explorer and former SAS trooper Michael Asher attempts to discover the truth behind the Bravo Two Zero special forces operation, which saw 8 SAS soldiers dropped behind enemy lines during the Gulf War. The mission has become famous through books written by two of its survivors under the pseudonyms Andy McNab and Chris Ryan, but after tracking down key figures Asher unearths a list of INACCURACIES and EXAGGERATIONS by the two men.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Michae...r/108381826037

Both McNab's and Ryan's earlier accounts were critiqued by SAS reserve veteran Michael Asher in The Real Bravo Two Zero . In 2001, Asher followed the original path of the patrol, interviewing local Iraqis who witnessed the events. The book was released in 2003.


What really happened when the now famous eight-man SAS patrol went behind enemy lines in the Gulf War? This really is the true story of the SAS operation that made millionaires of the two men in the patrol... Intelligence sources say this is a powerful 'expose' of the men called 'McNab' and 'Ryan'.'EYE SPY Vol II, issue 16, 2003 'SAS Trooper Michael Asher's powerful re-telling of the truth behind Bravo Two Zero and The One That Got Away raises serious questions as to how tall were these two tales in the first place

http://www.amazon.com/Real-Bravo-Two-Zero-Paperbacks/dp/0304365548

Yep they left a fellow soldier for dead and made up fanciful stories of what really happened.

It's a good book


.

[lightgiver]

Yep they left a fellow soldier for dead and made up fanciful stories of what really happened.

It's a good book


.

The documentary is good also,well worth the watch ;)

Yes exaggerated to sell books,and then trying to blame fallen fellow soldiers,pretty low if you ask me

I would say the whole mission was poorly thought out

In fact knowing what we know all wars are TPTB creations

A war is needed on government and banking corruption


Kissenger Quotes

In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy.

America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.

Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.

[marpat]

Why would a politician say that when lots of politicians are former service people? is it an offical statement or something he is supposed to have said? all it shows is his lack of dignity and honour

[marpat]

The documentary is good also,well worth the watch ;)

Yes exaggerated to sell books,and then trying to blame fallen fellow soldiers,pretty low if you ask me

I would say the whole mission was poorly thought out

In fact knowing what we know all wars are TPTB creations

A war is needed on government and banking corruption


Kissenger Quotes

In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy.

America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.

Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.

But surely you appreciate that things can go wrong due to factors beyond control? in Afghanistan a 4 man seal team was trapped and pretty badly shot up. 16 seals jumped into a chinook to go to their aid and it was hit by a rocket, killing all 16. It is easy to see how even the best troops can be defeated just by chance, or a bit of luck on the enemies side. Of all the SAS missions dont you think that only one major failure is still quite a good statistic?

[lightgiver]

But surely you appreciate that things can go wrong due to factors beyond control? in Afghanistan a 4 man seal team was trapped and pretty badly shot up. 16 seals jumped into a chinook to go to their aid and it was hit by a rocket, killing all 16. It is easy to see how even the best troops can be defeated just by chance, or a bit of luck on the enemies side. Of all the SAS missions dont you think that only one major failure is still quite a good statistic?

We should not be in Afghanistan

Al-Qaeda is the brainchild of the CIA

Osama bin Laden is no more a true representative of Islam than General Mladic, who commanded the Serbian forces, could be held up as an example of Christianity. After all, it is written in the Qur'an that we were made into different peoples not that we might despise each other, but that we might understand each other.

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development

Rich pickings for the corrupt corporations ETC ETC

Geologists working with the Pentagon have found vast reserves of untapped minerals in Afghanistan that could be worth $1 trillion, the New York Times reports.

The discovery was heralded by military and government officials in the U.S. and Afghanistan alike.


Oh what a surprise :rolleyes:


Kissenger Quote

In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy.

[marpat]

We should not be in Afghanistan

Kissenger Quote

In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy.

That is irrelevant to what I was saying.

So is that Kissinger quote an official one or something that was reported as having been said?

[lightgiver]

That is irrelevant to what I was saying.

So is that Kissinger quote an official one or something that was reported as having been said?

It is all relevant

We should not be in Afghanistan


In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy.

Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, in The Final Days, Ch. 14


Al-Qaeda is the brainchild of the CIA

Osama bin Laden is no more a true representative of Islam than General Mladic, who commanded the Serbian forces, could be held up as an example of Christianity. After all, it is written in the Qur'an that we were made into different peoples not that we might despise each other, but that we might understand each other.

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences

[boots]

It is all relevant

We should not be in Afghanistan


In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy.

Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, in The Final Days, Ch. 14

Al-Qaeda is the brainchild of the CIA

Osama bin Laden is no more a true representative of Islam than General Mladic, who commanded the Serbian forces, could be held up as an example of Christianity. After all, it is written in the Qur'an that we were made into different peoples not that we might despise each other, but that we might understand each other.

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences



"Military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy."- Henry Kissinger

This quote just above was reported in "The Final Days", Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein

It was said by Kissinger in front of Alexander Haig, newly appointed White House chief of staff, in Haig new office in 1973

Quote:
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In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy. Kissinger often took up a post outside the doorway to Haig's office and dressed him down in front of the secretaries for alleged acts of incompetence with which Haig was not even remotely involved. Once when the Air Force was authorized to resume bombing of North Vietnam, the planes did not fly on certain days because of bad weather. Kissinger assailed Haig. He complained bitterly that the generals had been screamin for the limits to be taken off but that now their pilots were afraid to go up in a little fog. The country needed generals who could win battles, Kissinger said, not good briefers like Haig.
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[paragraph]
On another occasion, when Haig was leaving for a trip to Cambodia to meet with Premier Lon Nol, Kissinger escorted him to a staff car, where reporters and a retinue of aides waited. As Haig bent to get into the automobile, Kissinger stopped him and began polishing the single star on his shoulder. "Al, if you're a good boy, I'll get you another one," he said.

end of quote
Source(s):


Bush quotes:

20. "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." --Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001

19. "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." --Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002


There is no justification for the US to be in Afghanistan.

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[boots]

The documentary is good also,well worth the watch ;)

Yes exaggerated to sell books,and then trying to blame fallen fellow soldiers,pretty low if you ask me

I would say the whole mission was poorly thought out

In fact knowing what we know all wars are TPTB creations

A war is needed on government and banking corruption


Kissenger Quotes

In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy.

America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.

Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.


Yeah it's a low act. So much for comradeship in the army.

The brits were the lap dogs for the US and the PTB.

Maybe these guys were going to be used as propaganda in the media. Maybe they were meant to fail?


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[marpat]

Obviously Kissinger is a complete cock

[marpat]

Yeah it's a low act. So much for comradeship in the army.

The brits were the lap dogs for the US and the PTB.

Maybe these guys were going to be used as propaganda in the media. Maybe they were meant to fail?


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But surely the Australians have been too. They have been involved with the same wars for the benefit of the US, which brings us back to this thread.

Meant to fail? sometimes things fail. Look at Operation Eagle Claw for instance. That failed because of a totally unpredictable sand storm. There cna be many things that are unknown so that they are not factored into any plans, etc

[boots]

But surely the Australians have been too. They have been involved with the same wars for the benefit of the US, which brings us back to this thread.

Meant to fail? sometimes things fail. Look at Operation Eagle Claw for instance. That failed because of a totally unpredictable sand storm. There cna be many things that are unknown so that they are not factored into any plans, etc

Australia if very much a lap dog for the US. The ANZUS treaty is testament to that. The CIA dictates policy here in AUstralia.

When Gough Whitliam ( Australian Prime Minister ) wanted to get rid of Pine Gap, an American base he was sacked by the governor general. It was latter on reveled by 2 CIA sources, that this was a fact.


Shit can happen and can screw up an Operation. But to send in a SAS group without adequate gear is a very strange thing to do.

Quote:

MAL: We weren't well equipped for this mission, that's a fact. The through
training in military
organisations, they say well you know.. in training you haven't got the kit, but
come the day of the war and
the kit will be there. Funny enough it was just one of the things which went
wrong here, and come the day
of the war on this particular mission the kit not only wasn't there but we
probably had less kit than we
would have normally in training.

The US were very reluctant to help and the UK command didn't put up much of a fuss either.

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[loveisthelaw]

No sympathy really, though I feel for their family.

These clowns are popping people every day and have been since the invasion of Iraq. Nobody gives a shit about the millions of people killed during the illegal invasion, but one random kojak dies and the world is in mourning. Bullshit.

People playing real life Command & Conquer for the British and US drugs cartel deserve all they get. They know what they signed up for, if they do not want to risk being popped, then DON'T GO!

Death is a terrible thing and I wish it on nobody, but so is murder, invading countries and oppression of an entire region of the earth.

Probably a controversial opinion but hey, such is life. Get used to it cos those armies will soon be coming to a street near you!

[lightgiver]

Yeah it's a low act. So much for comradeship in the army.

The brits were the lap dogs for the US and the PTB.

Maybe these guys were going to be used as propaganda in the media. Maybe they were meant to fail?


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Nearly everyone civilian or military are still lap dogs to the elitist view


Osama bin Laden is no more a true representative of Islam than General Mladic, who commanded the Serbian forces, could be held up as an example of Christianity. After all, it is written in the Qur'an that we were made into different peoples not that we might despise each other, but that we might understand each other.

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences


In the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks while U.S. airspace was restricted, planes sanctioned by the Bush administration flew about the country gathering some 140 high-ranking Saudi Arabians – including several relatives of al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden – who were then spirited out of the country within a week of the terror, according to a senior official.

While the Saudis have long denied involvement in the massacre that claimed the lives of some 3,000 people, 15 of the 19 so called hijackers came from the kingdom.


Also more than half of the hi jackers have been accounted for and have turned up alive

MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.

http://guardian.150m.com/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm


why,because 911 was an inside job


Any special forces out there with a BRAIN?

It appears there is not


RATCLIFFE: Well in the SAS we work differently to the British Army. It is not tick tock, yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir. You know.. the guy on the ground is always right and that's the way we work.


are you quite sure about that Mr Ratcliffe?


Maybe you lot need to remove your heads from your asses,or maybe you dont give a shite


Two British SAS officers, arrested by the Iraqi police for planting bombs in Basra Iraq, September 19 2005.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84514

The book also reveals that the IRA was virtually run by the British state.


B.Bush quote,

On March 18, 2003, two days before the beginning of the war on Iraq, ABC's Good Morning America asked her about her family's television viewing habits; she replied:

“ I watch none. He [former President Bush] sits and listens and I read books, because I know perfectly well that, don't take offense, that 90 percent of what I hear on television is supposition, when we're talking about the news. And he's not, not as understanding of my pettiness about that. But why should we hear about body bags and deaths, and how many, what day it's gonna happen, and how many this or that or what do you suppose? Or, I mean, it's not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that :eek:

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/

Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[primordialman]

They struggle when they leave the service beecause they are given nothing to help them adjust with their lives. Its nothing to do with them being psychos or any other crap like that. The fact is they may serve for 20 years, be used to a life of harsh discipline, etc. constant training for war, then they leave and become civilians, getting an 9-5 job working at a post office, or something like that.


There is no reason to whine for those veterans that are regulars in the ADF here, as we dont have conscription in Australia(national service) and havent since vietnam the only troops we have serving are definitely volunteers if they complain after military service when they volunteered they are nothing but whiners.
However i would understand if they had been conscripted without choice, however this wont be an issue for any present or future veterans in Aus as they are ALL volunteers doing military service willingly!.

Also any one that claims they are serving their country by being in the military, well thats just bollocks in this global era of globalisation and multinational government is pure BULLSHIT!
Ofcause its no surprise that OTO or masons support the military just as they do many civil service orgs which have all been infiltrated.
Both occult orgs despite their illegal sexual behaviour are typical middle class political conservatives or fabians that like to make a point of pushing false jingoist nationalism and conservatism to the lower classes.

The US want global control? that means they will have to rule over their allies as well then. You are just another parrot.

Phony? whatever
The US already has control through the U.N anyone whom thinks the US doesnt pull the strings of the U.N is naive!.The U.N was president Trumans initiative whom I will also add was 33rd dge mason!
All that fairly recent anti U.N stand by GWB when he was president was just pure diversion!.
The U.N is based in NY ofcause its an ALL AMERICAN puppet org.

[primordialman]

These clowns are popping people every day and have been since the invasion of Iraq. Nobody gives a shit about the millions of people killed during the illegal invasion, but one random kojak dies and the world is in mourning. Bullshit.

People playing real life Command & Conquer for the British and US drugs cartel deserve all they get. They know what they signed up for, if they do not want to risk being popped, then DON'T GO!


LOVE Is the Law! interesting does this name suggest you are in the same occult group as marfat yet disagree with himbo on this point!.

[marpat]

LOVE Is the Law! interesting does this name suggest you are in the same occult group as marfat yet disagree with himbo on this point!.

lol, and what occult group am I in?

I left the OTO some time ago. Do you presume they tell people what to think?

[marpat]

There is no reason to whine for those veterans that are regulars in the ADF here, as we dont have conscription in Australia(national service) and havent since vietnam the only troops we have serving are definitely volunteers if they complain after military service when they volunteered they are nothing but whiners.
However i would understand if they had been conscripted without choice, however this wont be an issue for any present or future veterans in Aus as they are ALL volunteers doing military service willingly!.

Also any one that claims they are serving their country by being in the military, well thats just bollocks in this global era of globalisation and multinational government is pure BULLSHIT!
Ofcause its no surprise that OTO or masons support the military just as they do many civil service orgs which have all been infiltrated.
Both occult orgs despite their illegal sexual behaviour are typical middle class political conservatives or fabians that like to make a point of pushing false jingoist nationalism and conservatism to the lower classes.


The US already has control through the U.N anyone whom thinks the US doesnt pull the strings of the U.N is naive!.The U.N was president Trumans initiative whom I will also add was 33rd dge mason!
All that fairly recent anti U.N stand by GWB when he was president was just pure diversion!.
The U.N is based in NY ofcause its an ALL AMERICAN puppet org.

Can you find any official OTO statement that back up your claims of what they support?

Illegal sexual behaviour? what would that be? clearly you like to dwell on such things as I dont have a clue what you are on about

[primordialman]

Can you find any official OTO statement that back up your claims of what they support?

Illegal sexual behaviour? what would that be? clearly you like to dwell on such things as I dont have a clue what you are on about

Youd be surprised by what I know marfat. You really shouldnt make presumptions about the knowledge of those you dont know!
I know enough about the oto to know they are not revolutionary outside the illegal brothel or orgy chamber thats all!.

Any way you are taking this thread off course why not stick to the topic Aus troops involvement in the phony way on terror!.

[marpat]

Youd be surprised by what I know marfat. You really shouldnt make presumptions about the knowledge of those you dont know!
I know enough about the oto to know they are not revolutionary outside the illegal brothel or orgy chamber thats all!.

Any way you are taking this thread off course why not stick to the topic Aus troops involvement in the phony way on terror!.

Odd because people keep making presumptions about things they dont know all the time in here, and they have to be corrected

I would be suprised if you knew anything because its clear from what you post that you are an idiot. Have you ever been a member of the OTO?

[primordialman]

Odd because people keep making presumptions about things they dont know all the time in here, and they have to be corrected


Yes and seems like you enjoy it as well!.
Are you masochist for fools as you are still on icke.com after almost 10 grands worth of posts & still engaging them in discussion!
Seems you are masochist to those profane dumb asses right!:rolleyes:

I guess this will teach you to go chasing so called idiots like me around the fora threads as you now have an idea of the response you are going to get from yours truly, yes quit while your ahead marfat!

The frustration must be getting to you old bean, thats the second time in the same week you have insulted me first "prick" & now "Idiot" both completey out of line and uncalled for, on the contrary you are the fool himbo and lack basic civilty!:rolleyes:

[marpat]

Yes and seems like you enjoy it as well!.
Are you masochist for fools as are you still on icke.com after almost 10 grands worth of posts & still engaging them in discussion!
Seems you are masochist to those profane dumb asses right!:rolleyes:

I guess this will teach you to go chasing so called idiots like me around the fora threads as you now have an idea of the response you are going to get from yours truly, yes quit while your ahead marfat!

The frustration must be getting to you old bean, thats the second time in the same week you have insulted me first "prick" & now "Idiot" both completey out of line and uncalled for, on the contrary you are the fool himbo and lack basic civilty!:rolleyes:

Oh you are going to teach me are you? Im shitting my pants

I called you an idiot becaues you posts reflect that. I know what Im saying from my own experience of the OTO, etc. What have you got to back up your claims? do you have an experience?

I guess this is the wrong thread for such a discussion though

[primordialman]

I called you an idiot becaues you posts reflect that. LOL


Seriously whos the IDIOT here pal wish to be physical bring it on dog uniform or not I would enjoy planting your head up your own inflated ass turd!!

[marpat]

Seriously whos the IDIOT here pal wish to be physical bring it on dog uniform or not I would enjoy planting your head up your own inflated ass turd!!

ooo a typo, Im totally undone,lol.

Bit of an ass fetish then?