Superman

[scottymac123]

Hi,

I was watching 'Superman Returns' recently and I noticed an obvious Nazi saluate which is directed to Superman.

This is just after he saves the plane full of people/press, and is about to fly off. (Matthew Deloose talks about similar types of symbolism in films, which are made on purpose to give the symbols energy).

Is this a Nazi saluate? (disguised as a reporter raising his hand, as if to ask a Superman a question). Does anyone spot anything else in the film?

The Nazi Aryan had blue eyes (which Superman does have), special powers and blond hair (Superman was rumored to have originally have been drawn with blond hair - but was changed to black)

[chandrakavi]

I used to love reading superman comics when I was a kid.
Many decades later I realized what the symbology was all about.
During WWII Hitler's Germany the concept of the superman was very strong
Nietzsche in his books meant by superman anyone who went beyond the 5 senses,(if he is well read, which Hitler did not) others have called it THE NEW MAN, they mean the same.

In order to make people forget all about this through a comic a propaganda was made. If you look carefully Superman's uniform is the color of the American flag. All his super-powers are on the five senses and beyond that.
Since the comic of Superman became so popular people came back to the outer, to the five sense reality.

Although there was a lot of esoteric stuff going on in Hitler's government, he understood everything in military terms, and you can't militarize the inner self.
His government was the only esoteric government, all the rest have been up to today mostly Christian governments, he had a lot of interesting people working for him like philosopher Martin Heiddeger, but with a military government, power is all.

So the superman comic is a propaganda that has succesfully made people go into their five sense reality again, and an admiration for a man that can fly, superspeed, x- ray vision, super-breath, everything we don't have. Although that is not the point, and they sunk people so they won't go into a balance inner-outer, and forget all about the war. Later a new generation was born(myself included) and everyone forgot about it. And Superman through comics and movies became our heroe.

I haven't seen Superman returns, but it all depends on the director,
of the movie, a symbology which is related how superman ended up being a cover up symbol of the German Superman Aryan race. I am only supossing this, as I say, I haven't seen the movie.

Even though I realize all this, I enjoy superman movies,
and the rest of the League of superherooes Batman, Aquaman, Green-lantern, Wonderwoman, Spiderman, and many others. If you look carefully they are all careful propaganda to make you forget the German values, and replace them with outer five sense reality (which David Icke has talked so much about).

I like reading Nietzsche, but read the correct way, as a philosopher, after many years I have realized how his sister Elizabeth Nietzsche,
twisted many of his incredible writings to be in good terms with Hitler.
Nietzsche wrote one time: " Germans no longer think, something else attracks them, power. for this reason I wish I had written my Zarathustra in french." THUS SPOKE ZARATHUSTRA was edited on time
since Nietzsche died at the begining of the 20th century, he was a 19th century man, and a genius ahead of hhis times.

FOr 50 years people could no longer use the word superman, but "over-man only" .

From what you mention a lot is being said in those symbols. I will look at it carefully, most probably referring to this I mention before ,so that only some will realize it, not all.

But the relationship seems clear.

To end, Superman is he who goes beyond his five sense reality, that's all, to his inner self. Not the rest of the stuff we have been led to believe on both sides.

INFINITE LOVE IS THE ONLY TRUTH
EVERYTHING ELSE IS ILLUSION

[octopusrex]

Awwww.... Give it up... Plluuuuuuse!?

Superwan was written by Jews.

[chandrakavi]

Could You Elaborate On That?

[de_shit]

Hes a troll. Fuck him. The "Jews" in the media are not Jewish at all. They are either Satanists going under the name of "Zionists" or just Satanists going under the name of "Jewish". Its people like rex that make this forum look like an anti-Jewish forum.

[father ted]

Can you post a bigger picture?

What about the one where the bad guy gets "genetically engeneered" from superman and the sun, with the scene where he is being born in space is very symbolic as well as the whole sun symbolism etc.

[octopusrex]

He's a cartoon. A silly money-making comic, like Betty Boop or ... Donald Duck. Yer looking too deep into something that means whatever you want it to mean. Two guys were thinking of some cartoon to make like "Batman" and they came up with "Superman".

It's like the number 23. What does 23 mean? NOTHING! NOTHING! NOTHING!

Everything!

[chandrakavi]

One has to look into the symbols, not only the cartoon stories
what date did it begin?

[adimon]

During WWII Hitler's Germany the concept of the superman was very strong Nietzsche in his books meant by superman anyone who went beyond the 5 senses,(if he is well read, which Hitler did not) others have called it THE NEW MAN, they mean the same.

In order to make people forget all about this through a comic a propaganda was made. If you look carefully Superman's uniform is the color of the American flag. All his super-powers are on the five senses and beyond that.
Since the comic of Superman became so popular people came back to the outer, to the five sense reality.

So the superman comic is a propaganda that has succesfully made people go into their five sense reality again, and an admiration for a man that can fly, superspeed, x- ray vision, super-breath, everything we don't have.

Yeah, Hitler used Das Uberman to piggyback his racist ideas on 'blood and soil'. I just wrote a paper on this funnily enough. I won't be so presumptuous to post it here! :D

Oh, and by the way, Superman has yellow on his costumer. Ain't no yellow in the S and S.

He's a cartoon. A silly money-making comic, like Betty Boop or ... Donald Duck. Yer looking too deep into something that means whatever you want it to mean. Two guys were thinking of some cartoon to make like "Batman" and they came up with "Superman".

It's like the number 23. What does 23 mean? NOTHING! NOTHING! NOTHING!


Yep. Yer right. :)

[adimon]

Oh, and as for the picture...the guy is SITTING DOWN.

The Nazi salute was always given standing...except for Dr. Strangelove who was in a wheelchair, and not real.

[octopusrex]

Stick to Occams Razor and stop daydreaming about Nazis. After all yer BRITS!

[chandrakavi]

Yeah, Hitler used Das Uberman to piggyback his racist ideas on 'blood and soil'. I just wrote a paper on this funnily enough. I won't be so presumptuous to post it here! :D

Oh, and by the way, Superman has yellow on his costumer. Ain't no yellow in the S and S.



Yep. Yer right. :)


Sounds like an interesting paper.

In the first comics there was white in SUPERMAN'S costume. Later it was changed to yellow. Perhaps meaning Horus.
Just saw a thread that explains this stuff called: THERE IS MORE TO KENT THAN MEETS THE EYE. Very interesting also.

[irak]

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8516/superkc5.th.jpg (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superkc5.jpg)

:)

[octopusrex]

Frankly, I am a bigger fan of Spiderman.

[chandrakavi]

It's like the difference between Pepsi and Coke. They are the legion of SUPER HEROES,
no matter how different they may look or seem,
they are about the same thing, the cover up propaganda of the WWII superman thing.
So they did not center it on ONE heroe only, SUPERMAN. Yeah spider man is interesting,
but just a distraction from the same thing dude. ):
And made their point, PEOPLE FORGOT!!!!
So they were succesful in achieving their goal.
People went back to the five sense dimension, left side of the brain
(reasoning only, LEAVING ASIDE INTUITION(the right side)
This is just like religions, you can take your pick, but in the end it is all about MIND CONTROL...the Matrix has you BIG TIME..

[sithnemesis]

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*** ANTICHRIST ***
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The Superman Mythos

by Thyroros

The term superman first entered into modern usage through the writings of Friedrich Nietzsche. This late nineteenth-century German philosopher was vehemently anti-Christian and never tired of condemning the faith as weak, absurd, even detrimental to human development. While Hitler admired him, and the Nazis are said to have made use of some of his ideas, Nietzsche did not actually share their racist and anti-Semitic views. (1) Thus it is not entirely incongruous that two young Jewish men from Cleveland, Ohio would have adopted the term for their own use. While many assume Superman is merely a work of science fiction, I do not believe this to be the case. I too grew up amid all the movies (the first film starring Christopher Reeve came out the year after I was born), cartoons, and TV shows, believing the Man of Steel to be nothing more than a slightly stale and out-dated comic book hero. However, after watching various episodes of Smallville, a very different interpretation of the American icon began to impress itself upon me.

As nonsensical or offensive as some people might think this to be, the tale of Superman represents an allegory of another well-known supernatural, extra-terrestrial being: Satan.

Before delving into some of the more specific correlations, and often glaring similarities, between these two legendary immortals, there is an important point which needs to be made regarding the nature of angels. Angels are extra-dimensional and other-worldly travellers who make infrequent appearances throughout the Bible and other related texts. They usually do not have wings, and they almost always appear just like men. The Seraphim and Cherubim are the only two celestial orders consistently described in the Bible which bear wings. While most angeaologies consider both orders to be angels, the highest orders in fact, neither the Old nor New Testaments refer to them as such. But this is really just a semantic argument that needn't be fully addressed here. Anyway, the English word angel is derived from the Greek angelos which simply means messenger, as does the Hebrew mal'ach, which is used in the Torah, the prophets, and other Hebrew writings. (2) These terms can be used to indicate human or divine beings. Many times the humans with whom angels communicate are not even aware of it until the supernatural visitors perform some act obviously beyond the capability of mere mortals. After closely examining all the Biblical references, I was forced to conclude that there is no overwhelming distinction between angels and what modern mythology refers to as aliens. Both are extra-terrestrial, and both seem to exhibit powers and/or technology beyond what might traditionally be considered human. Now, Satan, if standard Christian doctrine is correct, is a fallen angel, while Kal-El, or Superman, is a stranded, immigrant alien.

Objections may arise as angels are said to dwell in heaven while aliens inhabit the supposedly innumerable worlds located in the vast reaches of space. But again, the only difference between the concepts of heaven and space lie in the minds of people who refuse to acknowledge the simple facts. Both exist above and outside the earth, and both are impossible to visit for the majority of living human beings on this planet. Even now, after thirty-some years of manned space-flight, it still requires the pinnacle of human technology, and the availability of monumental resources, to even consider such undertakings. We haven't been to the moon in over thirty years according to official sources. Moreover, space remains extremely dangerous. It is a notoriously hostile environment; the slightest mistake or malfunction can bring about instantaneous death for even the most well-trained astronaut. So, heavenly realms and intergalactic space, not that different, right? Okay then, hopefully that matter is settled, and we can move on to Krypton.

As most of us know, Kal-El's homeworld, Krypton, was completely obliterated due to a nuclear reaction at its core, which resulted in the infant Kryptonian's emergency flight to earth. Now, some theorize that the asteroid belt in our solar system was created when a large, terrestrial planet located between Mars and Jupiter (often referred to as Astera/Astara) exploded some time in the past. (3) It's possible that this same cataclysm was also responsible for the destruction of the Red Planet's atmosphere and its civilization. Satan may also be connected with Mars and Astera, depending on one's interpretation of certain Old Testament books such as Ezekiel. Ezekiel states in chapter 28, verse 14 that the former anointed cherub, Satan, "walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire". It's not a very far stretch of the imagination to connect "the stones of fire" with planets. Please examine the following verses for more details:

Ezekiel 28:15-17 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground (Hebrew 'eretz is also often translated as land or earth), I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

So Satan may have ruled a physical civilization spanning Mars, Astara, and perhaps several moons as well. But he rebelled against his God and King, and was cast to the earth along with a third of the Heavenly Host (See Revelation 12:4).

The aforementioned information thus allows us to have a much clearer understanding of the scenario presented in Smallville 1961. While I don't disagree with Chloe about the possibility of genetic memory being stored in the DNA, I don't accept that this was necessarily true in Clark's case. I believe it to be more likely that Jor-El and Kal-El are one person, not father and son. Here's how it works:

I. Jor-El is Satan. II. The father who exiled Jor-El/Satan to earth is actually the Father, as in Yahweh, the God of the Bible. III. Jor-El/Satan returns to space to continue the "War in Heaven" (See Revelation 12:7).. IV. In order to eventually assume the role of Anti-Christ, Satan devises a seemingly foolproof plan. Just as Yahweh/God limited himself in power when He assumed the form of Jesus/the Christ, Satan formulates a a similar device. He clones himself and denies this clone access to certain segments of his memory and powers. This way he will more easily deceive humans into believing that he is a righteous savior rather than evil incarnate. But he makes messages and recordings beforehand which will remind him of certain things at planned intervals. This will enable him to develop in the most ideal way in order to fit the role of the Christ more perfectly. V. Satan and his angels are defeated in the heavenly realms, Mars and Astera/Krypton is destroyed as a result. Satan transfers his consciousness/spirit from Jor-El to the infant clone, Kal-El and rockets off toward earth.

As additional support for this concept, let us explore the meanings of the principal character's names belonging to the Superman mythos:

Clark - Old English - Clergyman or learned man (4)

Kent - Welsh - Bright white, white or bright (5). Another interesting possible derivation of this name is from the Biblical Kenites (first mentioned in Genesis 15:19 as enemies of Israel), who may have been descended from Cain (for in Hebrew Cain is more accurately transliterated as Qayin, and Kenites as Qayini. Adding an "i" to the end of a name in Hebrew indicates the people or descendants of that personage. Israel/Israeli, Qayin/Qayini. See the pattern?) (6)

Kal-El - Can be translated as destruction or completion of God in Hebrew (or possibly 'all that is God/totality of God'). (7) El is the Hebrew word for God.*

Jor-El - J is actually pronounced Y (the letter Yod) in Hebrew. Possible translations are: Yare'-el - fear of God, Yarah-El - God teaches, taught of God, Yeru-El - God is a foundation, Yeri-El - founded of God; God will see. (8)

Krypton/Kryptonite - From the Greek words krypto - To hide; kryptos - hidden unseen, secret; krypte - hidden place (9)

Lex - Latin for law (Just in case 'Lex' is actually short for Alexander, Alexander is Greek for leader of men, alex (leader) + ander (men).10

Luthor (Luther) - Teutonic- famous warrior/ famous in war

Old German - Warring ones

German - warrior/famous people?. Martin Luther was a Catholic monk and theologian turned Protestant reformer (1483-1546). (11)

*If one is inclined to doubt that Kal-El and Jor-El may actually be Hebrew names, allow me to you remind you that both Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, the original creators of Superman, were Jewish. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it's highly unlikely they would give their characters Hebrew-sounding names by pure chance. (12)

There are just a few more items of interest which may possibly be connections between Kal-El and the Red Dragon/Satan. Since Superman derives his powers from the sun, that would make him a kind of 'sun god'. Satan has sometimes been compared with the sun gods of ancient mythology such as the Egyptian Ra, the Greek/Roman Apollo and the Persian Mithra. The 'infinity serpent' burned onto Clark's chest in the second season finale of Smallville is another fascinating correlation, as Satan is often recognized as being or controlling the serpent in the Garden of Eden (Genesis chapter 3), and one of his titles in Revelation (12:9) is that "that old serpent". Finally, it would be quite simple to draw a pentagram inside the five-pointed shield emblazoned on Superman's costume. Pentagrams are used in ceremonial magic and Satanism the world over. Not that such a detail is conclusive, but I just thought I'd include it for the sake of being thorough.

So what does all of this mean? The reader, of course, is free to draw his or her own conclusions But here's what I believe; Superman comics, movies, and TV shows (and everything else in between) are Satanic Propaganda. Superman is the Anti-Christ/Satan and Lex Luthor, representing Christianity, is desperately trying to defend the earth against him. As the story is told from Satan's perspective, Lex is falsely demonized and portrayed as an insane criminal. In the words of Friedrich Nietzsche from Thus Spake Zarathustra, "God is dead. I teach you the superman." This is the lie that the father of lies is eager for us all to swallow down between mouthfuls of French fries and jelly-filled breakfast pastries.

- Thyroros, December 2, 2003, Redlands, CA.

Endnotes:

1. See Friedrich Nietzsche's Biography.com
2. Information gathered by using the King James Bible (1611 Authorized Version) and The Strongest Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible. James Strong, L.L.D., S.T.D. Fully Revised and Corrected by John R. Kohlenberger III and James A. Swanson. Grand Rapids Michigan. Zondervan. 2001
3. Click here for the standard line on the Asteroid Belt formation. Go here for more information on the possible link between Mars, Astara, and Satan, maybe even Venus?
4. Name definition for Clark (Any standard name/baby-name book should provide this information.)
5. Name meanings & Name origins (Any standard name/baby-name book should provide this information.)
6. See footnote 2. Most Biblical scholars don't make the connection between Cain and the Kenites. This is probably due to the long-held view that the Flood of Noah/The Great Deluge (as related in Genesis chapters 6-8) was worldwide and no one survived except Noah and his family. However, a gr owing number dispute that the Flood was regional rather than global (which is possible based on certain interpretations of the passages in Genesis), and therefore, Cain's progeny could have survived.
7. From the Strong's Concordance Hebrew Dictionary (contained within the same volume), Reference numbers 3605-3607, 3615-3617
8. From the Strong's Concordance Hebrew Dictionary (contained within the same volume), Reference numbers 3372, 3384, 3385, 3400. Incidentally, yerah is the Hebrew word for moon, ref. # 3391.
9. From the Strong's Concordance Greek Dictionary (contained within the same volume), Reference numbers 2926-2928 10. (Any competent Latin-English and Greek-English dictionaries can be used to find these definitions. Also standard name/baby-name book should provide this information.) Here's a couple of websites just in case you want them. For Alexander. For Lex & another for Lex. Just for fun, here's website containing excerpts of Plutarch's Alexander the Great (who was not a good guy) bio.
11. "Luthor/Luther" name meaning.
12. "Jews are the true comic book heroes", article from the Chicago Sun Times and here's a History of Superman article from Superman.com.ar in case your interested.

End the words of Thyroros.


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Superman is a Republican Presidential Candidate

by Neal Bailey.

When I first read this, I was intrigued by the sheer amount of information presented here, and the thought put into it. It impressed me. The work is well done, as well, with sources, strong words, and a persuasive style.

In this, I have a great deal of respect for Thyroros, as a writer, he did a good job.

I have to point out my version of the other side of the argument. I want to try and do that logically, using things learned in years of study of philosophy, including writing books, personal study, and a long and unending quest for God.

To do this, we have to establish Thyroros' basic tenets and examine them. For the sake of argument, his article assumes God, so I will assume God as well. My theism or non-theism aside (and that's a WHOLE other article, folks), I will give this argument the benefit of deistic doubt.

That said, my basic understanding of the above article is are the following tenets:

I: Angels are corollary to aliens, as they both come from beyond our understanding of the terrestrial... I. E. Space, some definable Heaven we can't see in our own terran view, or even the ever-unknown "beyond".

II: Satan's war against the armies of Heaven took place in a region of Heaven located somewhere near what is now the asteroid belt.

III: Jerry Seigel and Joe Shuster created Superman as a Satanic allegory, based in the following pieces of evidence, most strongly:

A: Kal-El and Jor-El can be interpreted to mean "Totality of God" and "Fear of God", respectively.

B: Kryptonite means a hidden place.

C: Lex means leader of men.

D: Luther was the leader of a church reform movement.

IV: Superman is an allegory for Satan, and Lex Luthor is an allegory for Christianity, fighting against the forces of Satan to save the Earth.

Now that we have this plain and laid out, we can examine each tenet respectively for its individual merit...

I: Angels are corollary to aliens, because of their similarity to our understanding of Heaven and Space.

This I cannot dispute. There are aesthetic differences, and there are many obvious differences in the realities of their existence based in logic, but they ARE corollary. The problem? Corollary is not a logical means of causation, even given God. For instance, logically speaking, if you want to, you can create a very obvious and real corollary between a dog and a cat. Both are mammals and have four legs, after all, and therefore must be similar. They are. That doesn't make them the same. Corollary is a common tool of equivocation. But it bears noticing that sometimes, in some instances, corollary can bring about logical conclusion, for instance, seeing a Doberman and then a Labrador and assuming that they were both dogs... assuming that they were the same breed, or even held the same temperament, however, may be folly.

II: The War in Heaven took place around the asteroid belt.

This I cannot dispute either. But then, it is pure theory based in etymology of a word, and a society's reverence for the stars. We see common recurrences of many themes in literature and religious texts... floods, fires, plagues, and wars. And many occurred in the stars. This makes they possible, but not necessarily real.

The previous two points are interesting, very interesting, but lack a degree of plausibility based in their corollary and their basis in theory rather than fact. Nonetheless, the third tenet is perhaps the most defensible:

III: Siegel and Shuster created Superman as a form of Satanic allegory.

Thyroros' evidence here is again, interesting, but perhaps inconclusive. Maybe Luthor does mean a leader of men. And maybe Jor-El is representative of a fear of God... I myself might fear a God that destroyed my home planet, even if I were at war with him... but still, I want to take his position in order to show how while the idea has merit, and is certainly interesting, it makes as much sense to assume Superman Satan to me as to assume him the Republican candidate for the presidency.

Allow me to elaborate:

Superman, like Satan, is a powerful being, often defiant of those in control with regards to matters of authority. He regularly fights against the most authoritative figure in the world, President Luthor, a man whose dictums are obeyed unless one wants to experience severe consequences, like with the God of Christianity.

Metropolis is a beautiful, euphoric place before Superman arrives, and after he comes, chaos ensues, much like the apocalypse. Villains and murderers crowd to the city to have a shot at usurping power from the Superman Satan, and as prophesied in the Bible, Superman Satan has the sway and belief of almost all of the people in the world.

Sometimes, as in apocalyptic revelation, the moon turns red as blood, people disappear suddenly, taken by aliens beyond the asteroid belt, only to be brought back by Superman or his comrades at arms.

And, of note, Superman's religion is never really elaborated upon, much like the Anti-Christ, opting instead for an Agnostic front to please the will of the people and maintain power.

I've dug a pretty good hole for myself here, haven't I, strengthening Thyroros' evidence and setting myself up to look foolish?

Well, yes, perhaps. But through aforementioned corollary, which falls to logical examination save by those with utmost faith of conviction based in personal experience.

And hey, I don't knock that. I just live MY life by logic, you see? Nothing wrong with Thyroros at all, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying, to logical examination, well...

Superman tends to be a little pro-life. When someone falls off a bridge, Superman will fly down there, save them, and bring them back to the top of the bridge. Maybe even fry the guy who tossed them off with his heat vision. And what does that tell us?

Superman's a little more gung-ho about the careful and co-ordinated application of violence to achieve an end than other parts of society.

You know what else? Superman, though he doesn't really need them, advocates the use of guns. He doesn't ever say anything against it, he doesn't advocate regulation, and once, when he was low on power, back after he came back from the dead, he armed himself with some HUGE alien weaponry and said, I quote, A boy-scout is always prepared.

Superman prefers to let individual governments control their own decisions rather than having a dictator or an overarching Federalism make the decisions for the people. That's why he fights Darkseid, Luthor, and anyone who tries to make everyone in his fair city do what the rest of the world is doing when the world is being taken over.

Thanks to Luthor, he also buys into smaller government.

Thanks to Our Worlds At War, he buys into a strong military.

And when someone commits an act of terror... that boy is ALL OVER IT. I mean, look at Action 775 and what he did to Manchester Black.

What do all of these things have in common? Pro-life, anti-gun control, letting a government maintain its sovereignty, small government, strong military, strong on attacking terrorists unilaterally?

Well, right now, (and I'm not condemning or condoning these beliefs EITHER way, understand that) those are the stereotypical associations brought to bear on the Republican Party.

Given that Superman has a leadership role in the JLA, and given that he wants to remove Luthor from office, it is then my corollary assumption that Superman wants to become the Republican candidate for the United States Presidency.

That said, don't expect him to run, for obvious reasons... and THIS is why though the ideas are interesting, much like my citation for Superman's republican belief system, and though Thyroros has interesting ideas, in that Superman WAS created in a time of intense religious oppression and might have come to mean something Satanic as a stretch for several of DC's future star players, it just isn't likely.

The simple reasons?

Superman has never consciously thirsted for power and destruction, as the Anti-Christ almost universally does.

The Rapture did not occur in DC comics, a key event announcing the coming of the Anti-Christ.

The Jews are hardly even mentioned in the pages of Superman, save in passing stereotypical reference to the fundamentalists walking down the street I've seen once or twice, in passive stereotypical reference to the Jews of New York city, and the Jews, as a Biblical scholar will tell you, are absolutely KEY to the Christian view of the end of times, where many Jews are converted by the hand of God as the ever-present Anti-Christ moves to enslave the last peoples of the world.

Perhaps most importantly, Superman has never held or moved towards offices of leadership save in the JLA, and this is a key element of the Anti-Christ. He is seen as a leader of men, but he has no hand in policy, nor would he if he could. He believes sternly that mankind must survive or fail on their own... he postulates non-interference.

Although I have to say... it is VERY suspect that he controls an outlet of media, and the most powerful outlet of media in his Universe...

Hmmm...

Even beyond all this, however, is the potent truth of the matter. All religious preferences aside, at least in modern day, Superman has become less of an allegory for a Nietzsche Superman and more a modern-day version of the embodied principles of the Biblical Christ.

In fact, God-beings as opposed to common heroes is a commonly debated flaw and/or benefit to the entire DC Universe depending on how you look at it, as exemplified well in the JLA/Avengers crossover. Mutants are hated and Spider-Man is always on public trial, whereas Superman is a benevolent watcher, a man above us all who will swoop in and tell us what is right and wrong when we have our occasional failings. He gives sermons, he lives among us as a common man, and heck, there is the undeniable fact that he did die and rise from the dead to save us all from... well, Mongul, but you see my point. He's all powerful, beyond death, and he's out to protect us from our sins rather than instigate them in devious manner. In this, Lex is more of the Morning Star, an intelligent, Superman bucking type of guy not above killing in order to bring about what he believes to be better than the God-Man, a new world order at his own hands.

There's a whole Master's thesis there, if you want it. I don't. I like enjoying the comic for what it is, as well. ;)

Here's the lightning round:

Jesus made water into wine. Superman made coal into diamonds.

Jesus is killed by brainless monsters for no real reason save to exploit their own raw power. Superman is killed by a brainless monster for no real reason save to exploit its own raw power.

Jesus has twelve disciples who listen to his leadership and follow him as he spreads the good word. Superman has a JLA who listens to his leadership and follow him as he spreads the good clobber on unsuspecting do-badders.

Jesus rose from the dead after three days and spoke to people about how to solve their problems. Superman rose from the dead after three days and spoke to people about how to solve their problems with Mongul.

Jesus was tempted with power by Satan in the desert. Superman was tempted with power by Luthor on the roof of the Luthorcorp building.

Jesus loves everyone. Superman loves everyone, except Zod. Everyone has a money lenders moment.

Jesus had God's powers. Superman has God-like powers.

God sent his only son to Earth. Jor-El sent his only son to Earth.

That's... that's about all I can come up with. But the point? Superman has, to my mind, a lot more in common with Jesus than Satan...

All of that said, I leave the conclusions to you. Far be it for me to disparage Mr. Thyroros, because his ideas, while perhaps hard to take in, are far more original, irreverent, and rebellious than my own, and I have to have a great deal of respect for that. And he's taking a very strong and hard position to take with a hostile crowd, something I also have the utmost respect for... it's hard to take a stand on something in the midst of many disparaging voices, and I encourage him for that. Even though I disagree. And even if you do, I hope you encourage him as well. Such is the nature of furthering knowledge and discourse.

And if we have this much fun looking into something that's usually so general, imagine where we can go from here?

I leave that to you. At least, until my next article.

Yours,
Neal Bailey.

PS... in the process of researching this (though admittedly I used no footnotes, just my common knowledge of Christianity from research for my second novel) Steve Younis pointed out a site for those of you interested in pursuing the Christian or Satanic aspect of Superman further, in yet more well researched work by others...

Hollywood Jesus, shows a compelling argument for the first movie's sake, not without humor, that Superman: The Movie, shows Superman as Jesus.

[chandrakavi]

Appreciate your "term paper", as to where they inspired to make SUPERMAN, and the inspiration they took to do it, taken from Nietzsche's writings, christian origins, satan,jewish,
a good mix(well analyzed by you). One thing (symbol) i could never get right ,is why since the uniform of superman are the colors of the american flag, was drawn with white, red, and blue, the white was later changed to yellow, (probably meaning Horus or not making it so obvious)
I agree with you I like to take it for a comic, not go into the deep propaganda that was intended from the very beginning, post-WWII.

Thanks a lot for your explanations of names and where they came from. Well done.

It appeals to how we want to be super-strong, super-speed. x-rays, flying man of steel and so on.

A propaganda, that appeals to all world wide translated to all languages)
Sounds strange that COMICS, should have something, but values are placed in them,
since kids will read them, and sometimes grown ups.

For some time these COMICS dissapeared, and have re-appeared again,
with another puurpose, SUPERMAN, BATMAN, AND THE LEAGUE OF HEROES,
GREEN LANTERN, AQUAMAN, WONDER WOMAN, AND MANY OTHERS, IT IS SO SINCE THESE ARE ALL AMERICAN HEROES, they are all fighting for JUSTICE, the well-being of humanity.
It gives the impression that the statee "CARES ABOUT YOU", THE ILLUMINATIS LOVE YOU,
hahahahahaha( good brainwashing), they are the GOOD GUYS, take your pick,
they are on "the right side of the road". If you look at reality War on Iraq, 9/11,
questioned,and it seems like the empire is collapsing economically(I whish I was wrong),
so, what better now end of 2007 and the years onwards, than SUPERHEROES?
When everything is TRULLY fine, we don't need heroes to rescue us, imaaginary ones,
since we don't have any, and when we are in a collapsing situation the LEGION OF SUPER HEROES PROPAGANDA, will be good for the subconcious mind of people, EVEN IF YOU KNOW THIS, the masses will have something to hang on to,

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PROPAGANDA THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE PROPAGANDA,
and heroes do a magnific psychological job It gives some kind of illusion as to orientation
The ACTION-REACTION-SOLUTION mechanical system for the mind.

[chandrakavi]

Superman was also used POLITICALLY. I remeber having read a long time
ago a comic of superman i did not buy, but glanced at it ,where superman is shaking the hand of Nixon , saying "yes i will be glad to work for the CIA, and America."
So superman has been an instrument since the beginning.

[octopusrex]

Good grief! Who is next on your hit-list? Charlie Brown?

[chandrakavi]

Good grief! Who is next on your hit-list? Charlie Brown?

There is no "Hit-list", it is important to see the origin and evolution of things.
I did see what i saw, sorry can't place it here so you can see it too, I was surprised when I saw it, since superman had become nothing but enntertainment, and expected nothing but entertainment of it. I would not have believed it if I had not seen it, that one time.

No, Charlie Brown is really a great comic, more human, lovable, with its characters , snoopy
and all. iF YOU LIKE HIM I WONT TOUCH HIM DUDE....OR SPIDER MAN
SWEAR.

[octopusrex]

Hollywood is a whore for the best seller.

Mamon rules there.

I do wonder what Azteca will be doing.

[chandrakavi]

Hollywood is a whore for the best seller.

Mamon rules there.

I do wonder what Azteca will be doing.

who is Azteca dude?

[chandrakavi]

I used to love reading superman comics when I was a kid.
Many decades later I realized what the symbology was all about.
During WWII Hitler's Germany the concept of the superman was very strong
Nietzsche in his books meant by superman anyone who went beyond the 5 senses,(if he is well read, which Hitler did not) others have called it THE NEW MAN, they mean the same.

In order to make people forget all about this through a comic a propaganda was made. If you look carefully Superman's uniform is the color of the American flag. All his super-powers are on the five senses and beyond that.
Since the comic of Superman became so popular people came back to the outer, to the five sense reality.

Although there was a lot of esoteric stuff going on in Hitler's government, he understood everything in military terms, and you can't militarize the inner self.
His government was the only esoteric government, all the rest have been up to today mostly Christian governments, he had a lot of interesting people working for him like philosopher Martin Heiddeger, but with a military government, power is all.

So the superman comic is a propaganda that has succesfully made people go into their five sense reality again, and an admiration for a man that can fly, superspeed, x- ray vision, super-breath, everything we don't have. Although that is not the point, and they sunk people so they won't go into a balance inner-outer, and forget all about the war. Later a new generation was born(myself included) and everyone forgot about it. And Superman through comics and movies became our heroe.

I haven't seen Superman returns, but it all depends on the director,
of the movie, a symbology which is related how superman ended up being a cover up symbol of the German Superman Aryan race. I am only supossing this, as I say, I haven't seen the movie.

Even though I realize all this, I enjoy superman movies,
and the rest of the League of superherooes Batman, Aquaman, Green-lantern, Wonderwoman, Spiderman, and many others. If you look carefully they are all careful propaganda to make you forget the German values, and replace them with outer five sense reality (which David Icke has talked so much about).

I like reading Nietzsche, but read the correct way, as a philosopher, after many years I have realized how his sister Elizabeth Nietzsche,
twisted many of his incredible writings to be in good terms with Hitler.
Nietzsche wrote one time: " Germans no longer think, something else attracks them, power. for this reason I wish I had written my Zarathustra in french." THUS SPOKE ZARATHUSTRA was edited on time
since Nietzsche died at the begining of the 20th century, he was a 19th century man, and a genius ahead of hhis times.

FOr 50 years people could no longer use the word superman, but "over-man only" .

From what you mention a lot is being said in those symbols. I will look at it carefully, most probably referring to this I mention before ,so that only some will realize it, not all.

But the relationship seems clear.

To end, Superman is he who goes beyond his five sense reality, that's all, to his inner self. Not the rest of the stuff we have been led to believe on both sides.

INFINITE LOVE IS THE ONLY TRUTH
EVERYTHING ELSE IS ILLUSION


Is there also the Superman project?

[streethawk5000]

If you look closely at superman's 's' symbol on his chest you'll see it's actually a snake...!!!
Yet more reptilian symbolism from the illuminati!!!;)

[liltroofer]

Have you noticed that many groups get on the radio solely because they write Superman into their songs?

Even obscure/weird/alternative artists that otherwise have no place on Pop stations. But certainly pop artists:

Lori Anderson > 'Superman'
Crash Test Dummies > song about Superman/Tarzan
3 Doors Down > Kryptonite with 'Superman' in lyrics
R.E.M. > 'Superman'
Eminem > 'Superman'
Bush > 'Superman'
Blindside > 'Superman'
The Bruce Lee Band > 'Superman'
Alanis Morisette > 'Superman'
Sister Hazel > 'Superman'
Elton John > Hercules with 'Superman'
Queen > Bicycle Race 'don't believe in ... Superman'
Cure > Quicksand with 'potential of a Superman'
AC DC > What's Next On The Moon

These songs often talk disparagingly of Superman, as if it were about unrealistic expectations ... or the inability to become the impossible.

Often, these songs are chosen above other songs that are better (in my opinion) on the same album ... definitely a recurring theme/meme in pop culture, intentional or not.

[cheeney1]

If you look closely at superman's 's' symbol on his chest you'll see it's actually a snake...!!!
Yet more reptilian symbolism from the illuminati!!!;)

Never Noticed That, Thats why i don't trust people who ware there Undies On the Outside...:D

[chandrakavi]

If you look closely at superman's 's' symbol on his chest you'll see it's actually a snake...!!!
Yet more reptilian symbolism from the illuminati!!!;)

In India that is the symbol for KUNDALINI, your energy rising, there are many meditations
done with that name, it is the symbol of the snake biting its tail, making a full circle,
it is saying i am ONE ENERGY.

[look closer]

superman returns poster:
http://media.movieweb.com/galleries/482/posters/poster1.jpg

vertical 666: hair falling on his forehead first 6, s (= six) sign on chest and belt = 666
horizontal 666: six in universe left to superman headline, six under the s of the superman headline, and last six formed by a huge 6 in the universe on the right

release date 6.28.6

coincidence? shure

[heartbeatsalute]

What spiritual masters have said about Superman:

When you have reached your core, your very centre, when you have arrived at your deepest depth, when there is nowhere else to go, then you are no longer a man. Buddha is not a man; he is a superman. So is Jesus, so is Krishna, and so are all the awakened ones of the Earth.

And this has nothing to do with race, blood. The word should not be used in the sense Adolf Hitler used it. It is to be used in a totally different sense, as the ultimate state of awakening. You are superhuman. You have surpassed your humanity;you have gone beyond it. You have reached the other shore.
You have become part of the chain of awakened people. Each human being has to become a superman, the glory that belongs to an awakened one.

I would say that they are talking about meditation, and using the right side of the brain, Intuition.
In that utter silence there is freedom.

[the game]

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*** ANTICHRIST ***
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The Superman Mythos

by Thyroros

The term superman first entered into modern usage through the writings of Friedrich Nietzsche. This late nineteenth-century German philosopher was vehemently anti-Christian and never tired of condemning the faith as weak, absurd, even detrimental to human development. While Hitler admired him, and the Nazis are said to have made use of some of his ideas, Nietzsche did not actually share their racist and anti-Semitic views. (1) Thus it is not entirely incongruous that two young Jewish men from Cleveland, Ohio would have adopted the term for their own use. While many assume Superman is merely a work of science fiction, I do not believe this to be the case. I too grew up amid all the movies (the first film starring Christopher Reeve came out the year after I was born), cartoons, and TV shows, believing the Man of Steel to be nothing more than a slightly stale and out-dated comic book hero. However, after watching various episodes of Smallville, a very different interpretation of the American icon began to impress itself upon me.

As nonsensical or offensive as some people might think this to be, the tale of Superman represents an allegory of another well-known supernatural, extra-terrestrial being: Satan.

Before delving into some of the more specific correlations, and often glaring similarities, between these two legendary immortals, there is an important point which needs to be made regarding the nature of angels. Angels are extra-dimensional and other-worldly travellers who make infrequent appearances throughout the Bible and other related texts. They usually do not have wings, and they almost always appear just like men. The Seraphim and Cherubim are the only two celestial orders consistently described in the Bible which bear wings. While most angeaologies consider both orders to be angels, the highest orders in fact, neither the Old nor New Testaments refer to them as such. But this is really just a semantic argument that needn't be fully addressed here. Anyway, the English word angel is derived from the Greek angelos which simply means messenger, as does the Hebrew mal'ach, which is used in the Torah, the prophets, and other Hebrew writings. (2) These terms can be used to indicate human or divine beings. Many times the humans with whom angels communicate are not even aware of it until the supernatural visitors perform some act obviously beyond the capability of mere mortals. After closely examining all the Biblical references, I was forced to conclude that there is no overwhelming distinction between angels and what modern mythology refers to as aliens. Both are extra-terrestrial, and both seem to exhibit powers and/or technology beyond what might traditionally be considered human. Now, Satan, if standard Christian doctrine is correct, is a fallen angel, while Kal-El, or Superman, is a stranded, immigrant alien.

Objections may arise as angels are said to dwell in heaven while aliens inhabit the supposedly innumerable worlds located in the vast reaches of space. But again, the only difference between the concepts of heaven and space lie in the minds of people who refuse to acknowledge the simple facts. Both exist above and outside the earth, and both are impossible to visit for the majority of living human beings on this planet. Even now, after thirty-some years of manned space-flight, it still requires the pinnacle of human technology, and the availability of monumental resources, to even consider such undertakings. We haven't been to the moon in over thirty years according to official sources. Moreover, space remains extremely dangerous. It is a notoriously hostile environment; the slightest mistake or malfunction can bring about instantaneous death for even the most well-trained astronaut. So, heavenly realms and intergalactic space, not that different, right? Okay then, hopefully that matter is settled, and we can move on to Krypton.

As most of us know, Kal-El's homeworld, Krypton, was completely obliterated due to a nuclear reaction at its core, which resulted in the infant Kryptonian's emergency flight to earth. Now, some theorize that the asteroid belt in our solar system was created when a large, terrestrial planet located between Mars and Jupiter (often referred to as Astera/Astara) exploded some time in the past. (3) It's possible that this same cataclysm was also responsible for the destruction of the Red Planet's atmosphere and its civilization. Satan may also be connected with Mars and Astera, depending on one's interpretation of certain Old Testament books such as Ezekiel. Ezekiel states in chapter 28, verse 14 that the former anointed cherub, Satan, "walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire". It's not a very far stretch of the imagination to connect "the stones of fire" with planets. Please examine the following verses for more details:

Ezekiel 28:15-17 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground (Hebrew 'eretz is also often translated as land or earth), I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

So Satan may have ruled a physical civilization spanning Mars, Astara, and perhaps several moons as well. But he rebelled against his God and King, and was cast to the earth along with a third of the Heavenly Host (See Revelation 12:4).

The aforementioned information thus allows us to have a much clearer understanding of the scenario presented in Smallville 1961. While I don't disagree with Chloe about the possibility of genetic memory being stored in the DNA, I don't accept that this was necessarily true in Clark's case. I believe it to be more likely that Jor-El and Kal-El are one person, not father and son. Here's how it works:

I. Jor-El is Satan. II. The father who exiled Jor-El/Satan to earth is actually the Father, as in Yahweh, the God of the Bible. III. Jor-El/Satan returns to space to continue the "War in Heaven" (See Revelation 12:7).. IV. In order to eventually assume the role of Anti-Christ, Satan devises a seemingly foolproof plan. Just as Yahweh/God limited himself in power when He assumed the form of Jesus/the Christ, Satan formulates a a similar device. He clones himself and denies this clone access to certain segments of his memory and powers. This way he will more easily deceive humans into believing that he is a righteous savior rather than evil incarnate. But he makes messages and recordings beforehand which will remind him of certain things at planned intervals. This will enable him to develop in the most ideal way in order to fit the role of the Christ more perfectly. V. Satan and his angels are defeated in the heavenly realms, Mars and Astera/Krypton is destroyed as a result. Satan transfers his consciousness/spirit from Jor-El to the infant clone, Kal-El and rockets off toward earth.

As additional support for this concept, let us explore the meanings of the principal character's names belonging to the Superman mythos:

Clark - Old English - Clergyman or learned man (4)

Kent - Welsh - Bright white, white or bright (5). Another interesting possible derivation of this name is from the Biblical Kenites (first mentioned in Genesis 15:19 as enemies of Israel), who may have been descended from Cain (for in Hebrew Cain is more accurately transliterated as Qayin, and Kenites as Qayini. Adding an "i" to the end of a name in Hebrew indicates the people or descendants of that personage. Israel/Israeli, Qayin/Qayini. See the pattern?) (6)

Kal-El - Can be translated as destruction or completion of God in Hebrew (or possibly 'all that is God/totality of God'). (7) El is the Hebrew word for God.*

Jor-El - J is actually pronounced Y (the letter Yod) in Hebrew. Possible translations are: Yare'-el - fear of God, Yarah-El - God teaches, taught of God, Yeru-El - God is a foundation, Yeri-El - founded of God; God will see. (8)

Krypton/Kryptonite - From the Greek words krypto - To hide; kryptos - hidden unseen, secret; krypte - hidden place (9)

Lex - Latin for law (Just in case 'Lex' is actually short for Alexander, Alexander is Greek for leader of men, alex (leader) + ander (men).10

Luthor (Luther) - Teutonic- famous warrior/ famous in war

Old German - Warring ones

German - warrior/famous people?. Martin Luther was a Catholic monk and theologian turned Protestant reformer (1483-1546). (11)

*If one is inclined to doubt that Kal-El and Jor-El may actually be Hebrew names, allow me to you remind you that both Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, the original creators of Superman, were Jewish. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it's highly unlikely they would give their characters Hebrew-sounding names by pure chance. (12)

There are just a few more items of interest which may possibly be connections between Kal-El and the Red Dragon/Satan. Since Superman derives his powers from the sun, that would make him a kind of 'sun god'. Satan has sometimes been compared with the sun gods of ancient mythology such as the Egyptian Ra, the Greek/Roman Apollo and the Persian Mithra. The 'infinity serpent' burned onto Clark's chest in the second season finale of Smallville is another fascinating correlation, as Satan is often recognized as being or controlling the serpent in the Garden of Eden (Genesis chapter 3), and one of his titles in Revelation (12:9) is that "that old serpent". Finally, it would be quite simple to draw a pentagram inside the five-pointed shield emblazoned on Superman's costume. Pentagrams are used in ceremonial magic and Satanism the world over. Not that such a detail is conclusive, but I just thought I'd include it for the sake of being thorough.

So what does all of this mean? The reader, of course, is free to draw his or her own conclusions But here's what I believe; Superman comics, movies, and TV shows (and everything else in between) are Satanic Propaganda. Superman is the Anti-Christ/Satan and Lex Luthor, representing Christianity, is desperately trying to defend the earth against him. As the story is told from Satan's perspective, Lex is falsely demonized and portrayed as an insane criminal. In the words of Friedrich Nietzsche from Thus Spake Zarathustra, "God is dead. I teach you the superman." This is the lie that the father of lies is eager for us all to swallow down between mouthfuls of French fries and jelly-filled breakfast pastries.

- Thyroros, December 2, 2003, Redlands, CA.

Endnotes:

1. See Friedrich Nietzsche's Biography.com
2. Information gathered by using the King James Bible (1611 Authorized Version) and The Strongest Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible. James Strong, L.L.D., S.T.D. Fully Revised and Corrected by John R. Kohlenberger III and James A. Swanson. Grand Rapids Michigan. Zondervan. 2001
3. Click here for the standard line on the Asteroid Belt formation. Go here for more information on the possible link between Mars, Astara, and Satan, maybe even Venus?
4. Name definition for Clark (Any standard name/baby-name book should provide this information.)
5. Name meanings & Name origins (Any standard name/baby-name book should provide this information.)
6. See footnote 2. Most Biblical scholars don't make the connection between Cain and the Kenites. This is probably due to the long-held view that the Flood of Noah/The Great Deluge (as related in Genesis chapters 6-8) was worldwide and no one survived except Noah and his family. However, a gr owing number dispute that the Flood was regional rather than global (which is possible based on certain interpretations of the passages in Genesis), and therefore, Cain's progeny could have survived.
7. From the Strong's Concordance Hebrew Dictionary (contained within the same volume), Reference numbers 3605-3607, 3615-3617
8. From the Strong's Concordance Hebrew Dictionary (contained within the same volume), Reference numbers 3372, 3384, 3385, 3400. Incidentally, yerah is the Hebrew word for moon, ref. # 3391.
9. From the Strong's Concordance Greek Dictionary (contained within the same volume), Reference numbers 2926-2928 10. (Any competent Latin-English and Greek-English dictionaries can be used to find these definitions. Also standard name/baby-name book should provide this information.) Here's a couple of websites just in case you want them. For Alexander. For Lex & another for Lex. Just for fun, here's website containing excerpts of Plutarch's Alexander the Great (who was not a good guy) bio.
11. "Luthor/Luther" name meaning.
12. "Jews are the true comic book heroes", article from the Chicago Sun Times and here's a History of Superman article from Superman.com.ar in case your interested.

End the words of Thyroros.


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Superman is a Republican Presidential Candidate

by Neal Bailey.

When I first read this, I was intrigued by the sheer amount of information presented here, and the thought put into it. It impressed me. The work is well done, as well, with sources, strong words, and a persuasive style.

In this, I have a great deal of respect for Thyroros, as a writer, he did a good job.

I have to point out my version of the other side of the argument. I want to try and do that logically, using things learned in years of study of philosophy, including writing books, personal study, and a long and unending quest for God.

To do this, we have to establish Thyroros' basic tenets and examine them. For the sake of argument, his article assumes God, so I will assume God as well. My theism or non-theism aside (and that's a WHOLE other article, folks), I will give this argument the benefit of deistic doubt.

That said, my basic understanding of the above article is are the following tenets:

I: Angels are corollary to aliens, as they both come from beyond our understanding of the terrestrial... I. E. Space, some definable Heaven we can't see in our own terran view, or even the ever-unknown "beyond".

II: Satan's war against the armies of Heaven took place in a region of Heaven located somewhere near what is now the asteroid belt.

III: Jerry Seigel and Joe Shuster created Superman as a Satanic allegory, based in the following pieces of evidence, most strongly:

A: Kal-El and Jor-El can be interpreted to mean "Totality of God" and "Fear of God", respectively.

B: Kryptonite means a hidden place.

C: Lex means leader of men.

D: Luther was the leader of a church reform movement.

IV: Superman is an allegory for Satan, and Lex Luthor is an allegory for Christianity, fighting against the forces of Satan to save the Earth.

Now that we have this plain and laid out, we can examine each tenet respectively for its individual merit...

I: Angels are corollary to aliens, because of their similarity to our understanding of Heaven and Space.

This I cannot dispute. There are aesthetic differences, and there are many obvious differences in the realities of their existence based in logic, but they ARE corollary. The problem? Corollary is not a logical means of causation, even given God. For instance, logically speaking, if you want to, you can create a very obvious and real corollary between a dog and a cat. Both are mammals and have four legs, after all, and therefore must be similar. They are. That doesn't make them the same. Corollary is a common tool of equivocation. But it bears noticing that sometimes, in some instances, corollary can bring about logical conclusion, for instance, seeing a Doberman and then a Labrador and assuming that they were both dogs... assuming that they were the same breed, or even held the same temperament, however, may be folly.

II: The War in Heaven took place around the asteroid belt.

This I cannot dispute either. But then, it is pure theory based in etymology of a word, and a society's reverence for the stars. We see common recurrences of many themes in literature and religious texts... floods, fires, plagues, and wars. And many occurred in the stars. This makes they possible, but not necessarily real.

The previous two points are interesting, very interesting, but lack a degree of plausibility based in their corollary and their basis in theory rather than fact. Nonetheless, the third tenet is perhaps the most defensible:

III: Siegel and Shuster created Superman as a form of Satanic allegory.

Thyroros' evidence here is again, interesting, but perhaps inconclusive. Maybe Luthor does mean a leader of men. And maybe Jor-El is representative of a fear of God... I myself might fear a God that destroyed my home planet, even if I were at war with him... but still, I want to take his position in order to show how while the idea has merit, and is certainly interesting, it makes as much sense to assume Superman Satan to me as to assume him the Republican candidate for the presidency.

Allow me to elaborate:

Superman, like Satan, is a powerful being, often defiant of those in control with regards to matters of authority. He regularly fights against the most authoritative figure in the world, President Luthor, a man whose dictums are obeyed unless one wants to experience severe consequences, like with the God of Christianity.

Metropolis is a beautiful, euphoric place before Superman arrives, and after he comes, chaos ensues, much like the apocalypse. Villains and murderers crowd to the city to have a shot at usurping power from the Superman Satan, and as prophesied in the Bible, Superman Satan has the sway and belief of almost all of the people in the world.

Sometimes, as in apocalyptic revelation, the moon turns red as blood, people disappear suddenly, taken by aliens beyond the asteroid belt, only to be brought back by Superman or his comrades at arms.

And, of note, Superman's religion is never really elaborated upon, much like the Anti-Christ, opting instead for an Agnostic front to please the will of the people and maintain power.

I've dug a pretty good hole for myself here, haven't I, strengthening Thyroros' evidence and setting myself up to look foolish?

Well, yes, perhaps. But through aforementioned corollary, which falls to logical examination save by those with utmost faith of conviction based in personal experience.

And hey, I don't knock that. I just live MY life by logic, you see? Nothing wrong with Thyroros at all, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying, to logical examination, well...

Superman tends to be a little pro-life. When someone falls off a bridge, Superman will fly down there, save them, and bring them back to the top of the bridge. Maybe even fry the guy who tossed them off with his heat vision. And what does that tell us?

Superman's a little more gung-ho about the careful and co-ordinated application of violence to achieve an end than other parts of society.

You know what else? Superman, though he doesn't really need them, advocates the use of guns. He doesn't ever say anything against it, he doesn't advocate regulation, and once, when he was low on power, back after he came back from the dead, he armed himself with some HUGE alien weaponry and said, I quote, A boy-scout is always prepared.

Superman prefers to let individual governments control their own decisions rather than having a dictator or an overarching Federalism make the decisions for the people. That's why he fights Darkseid, Luthor, and anyone who tries to make everyone in his fair city do what the rest of the world is doing when the world is being taken over.

Thanks to Luthor, he also buys into smaller government.

Thanks to Our Worlds At War, he buys into a strong military.

And when someone commits an act of terror... that boy is ALL OVER IT. I mean, look at Action 775 and what he did to Manchester Black.

What do all of these things have in common? Pro-life, anti-gun control, letting a government maintain its sovereignty, small government, strong military, strong on attacking terrorists unilaterally?

Well, right now, (and I'm not condemning or condoning these beliefs EITHER way, understand that) those are the stereotypical associations brought to bear on the Republican Party.

Given that Superman has a leadership role in the JLA, and given that he wants to remove Luthor from office, it is then my corollary assumption that Superman wants to become the Republican candidate for the United States Presidency.

That said, don't expect him to run, for obvious reasons... and THIS is why though the ideas are interesting, much like my citation for Superman's republican belief system, and though Thyroros has interesting ideas, in that Superman WAS created in a time of intense religious oppression and might have come to mean something Satanic as a stretch for several of DC's future star players, it just isn't likely.

The simple reasons?

Superman has never consciously thirsted for power and destruction, as the Anti-Christ almost universally does.

The Rapture did not occur in DC comics, a key event announcing the coming of the Anti-Christ.

The Jews are hardly even mentioned in the pages of Superman, save in passing stereotypical reference to the fundamentalists walking down the street I've seen once or twice, in passive stereotypical reference to the Jews of New York city, and the Jews, as a Biblical scholar will tell you, are absolutely KEY to the Christian view of the end of times, where many Jews are converted by the hand of God as the ever-present Anti-Christ moves to enslave the last peoples of the world.

Perhaps most importantly, Superman has never held or moved towards offices of leadership save in the JLA, and this is a key element of the Anti-Christ. He is seen as a leader of men, but he has no hand in policy, nor would he if he could. He believes sternly that mankind must survive or fail on their own... he postulates non-interference.

Although I have to say... it is VERY suspect that he controls an outlet of media, and the most powerful outlet of media in his Universe...

Hmmm...

Even beyond all this, however, is the potent truth of the matter. All religious preferences aside, at least in modern day, Superman has become less of an allegory for a Nietzsche Superman and more a modern-day version of the embodied principles of the Biblical Christ.

In fact, God-beings as opposed to common heroes is a commonly debated flaw and/or benefit to the entire DC Universe depending on how you look at it, as exemplified well in the JLA/Avengers crossover. Mutants are hated and Spider-Man is always on public trial, whereas Superman is a benevolent watcher, a man above us all who will swoop in and tell us what is right and wrong when we have our occasional failings. He gives sermons, he lives among us as a common man, and heck, there is the undeniable fact that he did die and rise from the dead to save us all from... well, Mongul, but you see my point. He's all powerful, beyond death, and he's out to protect us from our sins rather than instigate them in devious manner. In this, Lex is more of the Morning Star, an intelligent, Superman bucking type of guy not above killing in order to bring about what he believes to be better than the God-Man, a new world order at his own hands.

There's a whole Master's thesis there, if you want it. I don't. I like enjoying the comic for what it is, as well. ;)

Here's the lightning round:

Jesus made water into wine. Superman made coal into diamonds.

Jesus is killed by brainless monsters for no real reason save to exploit their own raw power. Superman is killed by a brainless monster for no real reason save to exploit its own raw power.

Jesus has twelve disciples who listen to his leadership and follow him as he spreads the good word. Superman has a JLA who listens to his leadership and follow him as he spreads the good clobber on unsuspecting do-badders.

Jesus rose from the dead after three days and spoke to people about how to solve their problems. Superman rose from the dead after three days and spoke to people about how to solve their problems with Mongul.

Jesus was tempted with power by Satan in the desert. Superman was tempted with power by Luthor on the roof of the Luthorcorp building.

Jesus loves everyone. Superman loves everyone, except Zod. Everyone has a money lenders moment.

Jesus had God's powers. Superman has God-like powers.

God sent his only son to Earth. Jor-El sent his only son to Earth.

That's... that's about all I can come up with. But the point? Superman has, to my mind, a lot more in common with Jesus than Satan...

All of that said, I leave the conclusions to you. Far be it for me to disparage Mr. Thyroros, because his ideas, while perhaps hard to take in, are far more original, irreverent, and rebellious than my own, and I have to have a great deal of respect for that. And he's taking a very strong and hard position to take with a hostile crowd, something I also have the utmost respect for... it's hard to take a stand on something in the midst of many disparaging voices, and I encourage him for that. Even though I disagree. And even if you do, I hope you encourage him as well. Such is the nature of furthering knowledge and discourse.

And if we have this much fun looking into something that's usually so general, imagine where we can go from here?

I leave that to you. At least, until my next article.

Yours,
Neal Bailey.

PS... in the process of researching this (though admittedly I used no footnotes, just my common knowledge of Christianity from research for my second novel) Steve Younis pointed out a site for those of you interested in pursuing the Christian or Satanic aspect of Superman further, in yet more well researched work by others...

Hollywood Jesus, shows a compelling argument for the first movie's sake, not without humor, that Superman: The Movie, shows Superman as Jesus.

Certainly interesting stuff here. Off-topic, but what series/movie is the Superman after Chris Reeves from?

[heartbeatsalute]

Will Superman stay an American citizen?
Comic hero threatened to renounce his citizenship but now, he may be rethinking
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In Superman's latest, Action Comics No. 900, he threatens to renounce his U.S. citizenship. But now, he may be reversing his decision.By Scott Stump
TODAY.com contributor
updated 5/4/2011 4:57:32 PM ET 2011-05-04T20:57:32
Print Font: + - Superman may remain an American after all.

Only days before chants of “USA! USA! USA!’’ began ringing out across the nation following the demise of Osama bin Laden, the quintessential homegrown superhero was saying that truth, justice and the American way are “not enough anymore.’’

The timing could not have been worse, and now less than a week later, in the wake of a wave of patriotism and outcry over the storyline in which he makes the controversial renouncement, Superman may be reversing his stance faster than a speeding bullet.

In the upcoming DC Comics’ “Action Comics #900,’’ the legendary Man of Steel from Krypton reportedly renounces his citizenship, and not because he was forced to produce his birth certificate. He does it after being reprimanded by a U.S. government official for attending a non-violent protest in Iran, announcing that he has grown weary of his actions “being construed as instruments of U.S. policy.’’

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Clues sought in house fire that killed 5 All things great and small: Incredible miniature nature scenes Tips for post-Christmas gift returns Holiday miracle: College student wakes from coma However, criticism from bloggers and blaring headlines from the likes of The New York Post and Fox News appears to have been more powerful than a locomotive. A report by The Blaze on Wednesday suggests that DC Comics is “seriously considering a major change’’ for the upcoming Superman issue #900 and Superman may not be renouncing his citizenship after all, thus reversing his reversal before the comic even goes on sale.

The controversy stems from a nine-page story titled “The Incident” written by David S. Goyer and drawn by Miguel Sepulveda, in which Superman takes a more global approach to saving lives and fighting crime by shedding his American citizenship.

Story: Superman: I'm renouncing my US citizenship
“"'Truth, justice and the American way' — it's not enough anymore," Superman says. "The world's too small, too connected."

"Besides being riddled with a blatant lack of patriotism, and respect for our country, Superman's current creators are belittling the United States as a whole,’’ GOP activist Angie Meyer told Fox News. “By denouncing his citizenship, Superman becomes an eerie metaphor for the current economic and power status the country holds worldwide."

The reaction was more tempered from other corners of the blogosphere.

"Superman has always been bigger than the United States,’’ Wired blogger Scott Thill wrote. “In an age rife with immigration paranoia, it’s refreshing to see an alien refugee tell the United States that it’s as important to him as any other country on Earth — which, in turn, is as important to Superman as any other planet in the multiverse."

The publishers of DC Comics explained that Superman’s decision was not meant to be an affront to the United States, but an embrace of the world. They feel that Superman still retains his place alongside hot dogs, baseball and apple pie.

"Superman is a visitor from a distant planet who has long embraced American values. As a character and an icon, he embodies the best of the American way," DC's co-publishers, Jim Lee and Dan DiDio told the New York Post.

"In a short story in Action Comics 900, Superman announces his intention to put a global focus on his never-ending battle, but he remains, as always, committed to his adopted home and his roots as a Kansas farm boy from Smallville,’’ Lee and DiDio added.

Not only did Superman’s decision to renounce his citizenship possibly not make it through the week, neither did his house. On Tuesday, Radio Iowa reported that the birth place of George Reeves, television’s first Superman, was bulldozed despite the efforts of some local residents to raise money to restore the home.

The vacant and dilapidated home in Woolstock, Iowa, was torn down for safety reasons. Reeves played Superman in a popular television series in the late 1950s before dying at 45 years old in 1959.

NOTE: Superman is more alive than ever ,since it is the symbol of the USA in a globalized world, coming from another planet born with the american values into the changing world Government. A super Heroe, that would make us believe that we are "cared for" by our governments in the world. Heroes are needed to impose values on all of us. After all it is only an imaginary fiction...
Is it a bird?, is it a plane? no, its Superman! It's USA!
It has been a good hidden propaganda since the 50's...

[btrayd]

Certainly interesting stuff here. Off-topic, but what series/movie is the Superman after Chris Reeves from?

Dean Cain (best looking superman IMHO)

Lois and Clark the New Adventures of Superman

[bobthegoon]

Hi,

I was watching 'Superman Returns' recently and I noticed an obvious Nazi saluate which is directed to Superman.

This is just after he saves the plane full of people/press, and is about to fly off. (Matthew Deloose talks about similar types of symbolism in films, which are made on purpose to give the symbols energy).

Is this a Nazi saluate? (disguised as a reporter raising his hand, as if to ask a Superman a question). Does anyone spot anything else in the film?

The Nazi Aryan had blue eyes (which Superman does have), special powers and blond hair (Superman was rumored to have originally have been drawn with blond hair - but was changed to black)


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However, I can tell you that the director of Superman Returns directed the fist couple of X-Men films (I'm sure at one point it shows one of the X-Men coming being in Nazi concentration camps when he is a child). He also directed Apt Pupil, which was about a Nazi war criminal living in America and a student tracking him down somehow. He also directed Valkyrie, which obviously is set during Germany during the Nazi regime. It's certainly a subject he's interested in.

Just something to chew on.

[the game]

Dean Cain (best looking superman IMHO)

Lois and Clark the New Adventures of Superman

Thanks:)