The "We Have / Have Not Been to the Moon" Thread

[real6]

What do u people think about this video???

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1376152848542315216

[astra]

That is the best video on the fake moon landing i have ever seen well done


What do u people think about this video???

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1376152848542315216

[siliconpsychosis]

Yeah I agree, a fascinating video. Very convincing. Thankyou.

[real6]

Yeah I agree, a fascinating video. Very convincing. Thankyou.

That is the best video on the fake moon landing i have ever seen well done

Anytime guys!!

Now spread the word. this video really bugged me out!!!

[tintin]

Interesting.
There is another little JOKE in this whole
Moon landing that makes it all a bit suspicious.

http://www.nndb.com/people/320/000023251/buzz-aldrin.jpg

This is Buzz Aldrin, the second man to walk on the Moon.

http://www.nndb.com/people/320/000023251/

On this page you find a few facts about Buzz Aldrin.
He had three wives, but it's A GIRLFRIEND in between that
is the most intetresting.

Grace Lee Whitney
Born APRIL FOOLS DAY.

And not only that but her occupation was

ACTOR.

Well, that makes TWO ACTORS then.

And another "funny coincidence".
The Mother of Buzz Aldrin was called

Marion MOON

So after he walked on the MOON he
returned to MAMMA MOON.

[weregr8]

Sorry if it has already been posted. But those "facts" about Buzz Aldrin also include being a Freemason AND a Shriner. I was going to list his infamous constituents on that page, but it would take too long, lol. No, there are not as many Shriners as there are "33rd" degree Masons, however, one MUST be a Freemason before becoming a Shriner!

[hagbard_celine]

What do u people think about this video???

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1376152848542315216

This is an interesting film, but there are far better ones. Check out these threads for a full discussion of the subject: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13588

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6097

[real6]

Interesting.
There is another little JOKE in this whole
Moon landing that makes it all a bit suspicious.

http://www.nndb.com/people/320/000023251/buzz-aldrin.jpg

This is Buzz Aldrin, the second man to walk on the Moon.

http://www.nndb.com/people/320/000023251/

On this page you find a few facts about Buzz Aldrin.
He had three wives, but it's A GIRLFRIEND in between that
is the most intetresting.

Grace Lee Whitney
Born APRIL FOOLS DAY.

And not only that but her occupation was

ACTOR.

Well, that makes TWO ACTORS then.

And another "funny coincidence".
The Mother of Buzz Aldrin was called

Marion MOON

So after he walked on the MOON he
returned to MAMMA MOON.


Thats Really bugged out...


This is an interesting film, but there are far better ones. Check out these threads for a full discussion of the subject: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13588

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6097

Thats some good stuff as well...

[cruise4]

Are China planning a mission to the moon? That might make things interesting depending on what you think.

[hagbard_celine]

Are China planning a mission to the moon? That might make things interesting depending on what you think.

I'm not bracing myself for some Earth-shattering revellation from the Chinese space missions. Several other craft have gone to the moon since Apollo, like the Japanese Clementine probe, and nobody's reported back "Where's the Apollo bases? I can't see them." If the Soviets didn't blow thw whistle on NASA then I'm sure the Chinese won't.

[seaweed]

Interesting.
There is another little JOKE in this whole
Moon landing that makes it all a bit suspicious.

http://www.nndb.com/people/320/000023251/buzz-aldrin.jpg

This is Buzz Aldrin, the second man to walk on the Moon.

http://www.nndb.com/people/320/000023251/

On this page you find a few facts about Buzz Aldrin.
He had three wives, but it's A GIRLFRIEND in between that
is the most intetresting.

Grace Lee Whitney
Born APRIL FOOLS DAY.

And not only that but her occupation was

ACTOR.

Well, that makes TWO ACTORS then.

And another "funny coincidence".
The Mother of Buzz Aldrin was called

Marion MOON

So after he walked on the MOON he
returned to MAMMA MOON.

And Grace Lee Whitney, of course, is famous for her role as Janice Rand in Star Trek...

[real6]

Bump

[real6]

bump

[apekteina lordosis]

further proof that nasa astronauts were freemasons...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=54&pictureid=778

this is a stars and stripes flag that was presented by a astronaut to the "mother lodge" of kilwinning that resides in their lodge museum. i got the picture from their website http://www.mk0.com/ but the picture no longer seems to be on their website.

[apekteina lordosis]

just to clarify i saved that pic to my hard drive back in sept 2004 aka back then said pic was on their site, but it ain't there these days.

*waves at my fan club* ;):D

[stelios]

I wonder why David Icke doesnt speak out about the moon landings hoax.
Or at least i have never heard him comment about it.

Personally i have known about the moon landings hoax long before 911 or anything else. And it is strange that the 'official' opposition groups never speak of the moon hoax. I honestly dont understand why because it is so blatantly obvious that nobody have ever gone to the moon and it was simply a fraud to rob the US taxpayer and divert funds to the Vietnam war.
Anyone who believes the moon landings fairy tale is clearly still brainwashed.

Opinion polls in the US show that the percentage of people who have realised the moon landings hoax is rising fast 25% was the last i heard.

It would be good to start a UK campaign to raise public awareness of this issue.

[jesuitsdidit]

ive heard they faked moon missions to use funds for other projects eg haarp, proj bluebeam etc etc.

[jesuitsdidit]

I wonder why David Icke doesnt speak out about the moon landings hoax.
Or at least i have never heard him comment about it.

Personally i have known about the moon landings hoax long before 911 or anything else. And it is strange that the 'official' opposition groups never speak of the moon hoax. I honestly dont understand why because it is so blatantly obvious that nobody have ever gone to the moon and it was simply a fraud to rob the US taxpayer and divert funds to the Vietnam war.
Anyone who believes the moon landings fairy tale is clearly still brainwashed.

Opinion polls in the US show that the percentage of people who have realised the moon landings hoax is rising fast 25% was the last i heard.

It would be good to start a UK campaign to raise public awareness of this issue.

perhaps hes disinfo??

[bendoon]

I always ask the following question to people who believe in the moon landings;

How come in 2008 no manned space craft can go more than 350 miles from Earth, if in 1969 they went 240,000 miles to the moon ?

[beldazar]

I reckon they faked the moon landing because they couldnt show what was REALLY up there! :)

Ive just spotted your post Bendoon, I hadnt heard that before, I have heard of the Van Allen belt though, is it related?

[bendoon]

I reckon they faked the moon landing because they couldnt show what was REALLY up there! :)

Ive just spotted your post Bendoon, I hadnt heard that before, I have heard of the Van Allen belt though, is it related?

Yes it starts about 400 miles up, thats why the space station is lower than that and why the shuttles never went above 350 miles.

[jesta_g]

perhaps hes disinfo??

lol nooo hes not disinfo.

there are thousands of conspiracy theories out there and not even Mr Icke could go through them all. David has stuck to his subject at hand the reptilians/NWO and raising the awareness of the human race.

theyre loads of things david doesnt go into..... geometrics, the 7-20 ft remains found, project bluebeam ,HAARP to name a few important things he hasnt mentioned. One person can only do so much and im sure he knows of these things tho realises there are many others out there that will cover those subjects.

just look at this forum, there is so much ifo its incredible. david doesnt really need to look up everything coz we are doing it ourselves.... and i have t say we are all doing a mighty fine job :)

[beldazar]

right, thanks, that has always puzzled me, bang goes my theory then :)

[jesta_g]

Yes it starts about 400 miles up, thats why the space station is lower than that and why the shuttles never went above 350 miles.

michael tsarion brings up the subject that the moon is artificial and is there for the "field" that is around this planet that is specifically there to lock these malevolent beings and stop them from spreading across the universe. basically like quarentine. theres alot of evidence that suggest this that myself and others mention in other threads.

tho to et a good idea watch "atlantis, genetic manipulation and alien visitations" great seminar and theres also the documentary with a similar name by tsarion that is 18 hours long!! gooooood input :)

[oiram]

Opinion polls in the US show that the percentage of people who have realised the moon landings hoax is rising fast 25% was the last i heard.

It would be good to start a UK campaign to raise public awareness of this issue.If you guys would only know how happy I am that people start to speak my languish!

I learned very early in my live to relate everything to money when it comes to strange things ore Problems!
I usually had an 80% success rate to hit the jackpot of the monkey business!

What I am interest in is how much money did the Goverment pulled out of the system with all this space & moon exploration! Must be trillions?

Anyone would have any idea or info on the total cost from the time they started all this space shit?

[lizzy]

Yes it starts about 400 miles up, thats why the space station is lower than that and why the shuttles never went above 350 miles.


and they could'nt get through the van allen radiation belts in the tin cans they had.......

all fake...the lighting proves it.......and when those 3 had their first press conference they acted like dejected sell outs , heads down , they knew they were conning the world.....

at that conference "the sky at night' bbc guy, asked.........what did the stars look like?........perlpexed and stunned for a second.........they said they did'nt see any, :eek:

the telementary came from W. Aussie,......one woman called a local tv station in Perth to say she could see a coke cola tin, LOL....

that was quickly removed from telecast............


the cost.......a decent life with every single living human on the planet today.......just like LHC and wall st......thouands of trillions...

[oiram]

just look at this forum, there is so much ifo its incredible. david doesnt really need to look up everything coz we are doing it ourselves.... and i have t say we are all doing a mighty fine job :)This is always what I am thinking about having all this info from thousands of brains in this Forum; and I hope David Icke makes regular Backups of his data base and burns them on CD/DVD!
This info on all these different Forums is worth more then any Gold!
We should never lose this records!

Hope they doing it; if not someone should get in contact with David Icke to make sure!
If they only keeping it on hard-drives it's very dangerous only one good magnetic source could wipe all data in one go!

Who knows maybe even HARRP could do the trick to wipe out all electronics and all magnetically stored Data!
I did hear ones they have a special nuke to get exactly this effect! Not sure now; they call it EMC - EMF - EMP or something like this?

[real6]

Capricorn One - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Capricorn One is a 1978 thriller movie about a Mars landing hoax. It was written and directed by Peter Hyams and produced by Lew Grade's ITC Entertainment production company for Warner Bros.

Although thematically Capricorn One is a typical 1970s government-conspiracy thriller with similarities to Hyams's subsequent film Outland, the story was inspired by allegations that the Apollo Moon landings were a hoax.[1]
Contents
[hide]

* 1 Plot
* 2 Cast
* 3 Trivia
* 4 See also
* 5 References
* 6 External links

[edit] Plot

The setting is the late 1970s, and the first manned mission to Mars is on the launch pad ready to launch. NASA authorities (Holbrook) realize that a faulty life support system has doomed any chance of a successful flight, so for political and financial purposes they decide to fake the landing rather than cancel the mission.

Minutes before launch, the bewildered crew (Brolin, Waterston, and Simpson) are removed from the capsule and flown to an old abandoned United States Army Air Corps base deep within the desert. The televised launch proceeds on schedule, but the public is unaware that the spacecraft (Capricorn One) does not have a crew.

At the remote base, the astronauts are informed they will fake the television footage from Mars and it is their patriotic duty to participate. Initially they refuse, but authorities imply their careers and the lives of their families are at stake if they do not cooperate.

The astronauts remain in captivity for a period of several months and are filmed "landing on Mars" within a studio located at the base. The conspiracy is known to only a select few NASA officials, but alert technician Elliot Whittier (Walden) stumbles across something absurdly impossible. The television transmissions are arriving ahead of the spacecraft telemetry. He speaks to a journalist friend Robert Caulfield (Gould) about his concerns.

When Whittier mysteriously disappears, Caulfield becomes suspicious and begins investigating the Mars mission, resulting in several attempts upon his life. Meanwhile back at the abandoned military base, the astronauts begin to suspect that if the conspiracy is to be successful, they will eventually have to be eliminated. The astronauts' suspicions become reality when their empty capsule burns in space during reentry. The captive astronauts immediately stage a daring escape and attempt to evade military forces in order to expose the conspiracy. Stranded in the desert, they try to make their way back to civilization while being pursued by a pair of helicopters.

In the end, Colonel Brubaker (Brolin) is the only crew member to avoid capture. Caulfield's investigation leads him to the desert, where he finds the military base and the set, and with the help of a cropduster pilot (Savalas), he manages to rescue Brubaker. The film ends with Caulfield and Brubaker arriving at the astronauts' memorial service, exposing the conspiracy in dramatic fashion.

[edit] Cast

* Elliott Gould ... Robert Caulfield
* James Brolin ... Colonel Charles Brubaker, USAF
* Sam Waterston ... Lieutenant Colonel Peter Willis, USAF
* O. J. Simpson ... Commander John Walker, USN
* Hal Holbrook ... Dr. James Kelloway
* Brenda Vaccaro ... Mrs. Brubaker
* Karen Black ... Julie Drinkwater
* David Doyle ... Walter Loughlin
* Robert Walden ... Elliot Whittier
* Telly Savalas ... Albain

[edit] Trivia
Lists of miscellaneous information should be avoided. Please relocate any relevant information into appropriate sections or articles. (February 2008)

* The main actors are Barbra Streisand's ex-husband Elliott Gould and her future husband James Brolin.
* The helicopters in the film were OH-6 Cayuse.
* In the Friends episode "The One Where Ross Can't Flirt", Joey's grandmother refers to Capricorn One. Elliot Gould, who stars in Capricorn One, also appears in Friends as Jack Gellar, Ross and Monica's father.[citation needed]
* Both Capricorn One and Outland (also by Hyams) feature a nefarious corporation called "Con Amalgamate".
* Capricorn One's footage was later reused in the TV shows The A-Team (in the episode "The Battle of Bel-Air") and in Airwolf (in the episodes "Bite of the Jackal", "Echoes from the Past" and "Santini's Millions"). Capricorn One stunt pilot David Jones later flew the Airwolf helicopter as one of the stunt pilots for the show,[citation needed] and the location of the OH-6 chase scene would also appear in the Airwolf pilot episode "Shadow of the Hawke".

[jesta_g]

Who knows maybe even HARRP could do the trick to wipe out all electronics and all magnetically stored Data!
I did hear ones they have a special nuke to get exactly this effect! Not sure now; they call it EMC - EMF or something like this?


EMP (electro magnetic pulse) weapons, yeh they will render all technology useless, will take down all forms of comunication and can wipe all memory on computers/hard drives/ pones etcetc.

to be honest this info will be only till a point which will be when the shit hits the fans and we wont even need to go looking for proof/ info .....

it will all be at our front doors.

[real6]

EMP (electro magnetic pulse) weapons, yeh they will render all technology useless, will take down all forms of comunication and can wipe all memory on computers/hard drives/ pones etcetc.

to be honest this info will be only till a point which will be when the shit hits the fans and we wont even need to go looking for proof/ info .....

it will all be at our front doors.

http://www.carliniscomments.com/archives/110-EMP-BOMBS-MOVIES,-,GAMES,-JERICHO-AND-REALITY.html

EMP BOMBS: MOVIES, ,GAMES, JERICHO AND REALITY
Filed Tuesday, December 5. 2006

EMP Technology has been exploited in movies like Ocean’s Eleven and Matrix: Revolutions and now on Jericho on TV, but do you really know how much damage a real E-Bomb can deliver to your corporate door-step when you are not EMP-proof?” asks James Carlini.

Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) Bombs, sometimes also referred to as HPM (High-Power Microwave), have been discussed for over several decades (ever since they were viewed as a threat in the Cold War) and most recently appearing in popular entertainment, portrayed as a device to wipe out everything electronic that is not shielded. The E-BOMB is basically an electrical weapon of mass destruction (EWMD).

Lately, there has been even more attention given to these EWMD’s. There are references to EMP Bombs, HPM, or E-Bombs in movies as well as popular combat games and a new TV series, Jericho. Susceptible items are devices that run on very low voltage batteries like laptops, PDAs, and hand-held devices which use CMOS and NMOS as well as unshielded copper cabling.

Virtual reality movies and sci-fi-thriller series aside, what does this really mean to organizations and their network infrastructures?

Some people paint an EMP disaster scenario that would make Hurricane Katrina look like a picnic. From the article, “HOW E- BOMBS WORK” by Tom Harris:
“Anyone who's been through a prolonged power outage knows that it's an extremely trying experience. Within an hour of losing electricity, you develop a healthy appreciation of all the electrical devices you rely on in life. After a couple hours, you start pacing around your house. After a few days without lights, electric heat or TV, your stress level shoots through the roof.

But in the grand scheme of things, that's nothing. If an outage hits an entire city, and there aren't adequate emergency resources, people may die from exposure, companies may suffer huge productivity losses, and millions of dollars of food may spoil. If a power outage hit on a much larger scale, it could shut down the electronic networks that keep governments and militaries running. We are utterly dependent on power, and when it's gone, things get very bad, very fast.

An electromagnetic bomb, or e-bomb, is a weapon designed to take advantage of this dependency. But instead of simply cutting off power in an area, an e-bomb would actually destroy most machines that use electricity. Generators would be useless, cars wouldn't run, and there would be no chance of making a phone call. In a matter of seconds, a big enough e-bomb could thrust an entire city back 200 years or cripple a military unit.

The U.S. military has been pursuing the idea of an e-bomb for decades, and many believe it now has such a weapon in its arsenal. On the other end of the scale, terrorist groups could be building low-tech e-bombs to inflict massive damage on the United States.”

Without getting into a lot of technical details, that is the overview of a threat which increasingly seems more reality than fantasy. Organizations should take note and begin re-designing their data centers and other mission critical networks to develop a hardened countermeasure for this risk.

EMP WEAPON DISTANCE
Here is an overview of what an EMP bomb can do: The major energy in an EMP is electromagnetic and radiates out from the point of detonation in a sphere. EMP is electromagnetic radiation. The intensity of these fields decreases in proportion to the circumference and distance from explosion. The actual amount of EMP energy deposited per unit-area can be entirely different depending on the size of the bomb and point of destination. Its intensity falls off at a rate of the inverse-square of distance.

Remember there are two types of nuclear attacks – a ground burst and an air burst. In an air burst you would not get the “Mushroom Cloud” that you see on every atomic bomb movie.

An E-Bomb gets exploded above the earth. Its fraction-of-a-second electronic pulse can cripple everything electronic that is not shielded from Electro-Magnetic Interference (EMI), including power grids and telecommunications infrastructures.

Having a weapons platform that can deliver this type of bomb high into the atmosphere is all that is needed. A super-accurate missile system with pinpoint guidance is not needed, as long as you are not targeting a very specific area. An EMP just needs to be exploded over a region. The higher it is, the more coverage it has. (see Diagram 1)

IN THE MOVIES
You might have seen different versions of an E-Bomb in various movies over the last decade. From MOVIE MISTAKES on the film Ocean’s Eleven:

“Factual error: The EMP wave generated from "The Pinch" would do more than just black out the city. It would also permanently disable any electronic equipment including cars, mobile phones, TV cameras (like the ones recording the fight), mobile phones, slot machines, computers, in fact any electrical equipment used in the world today, More importantly the entire security system would have been disabled which means that Benedict could not have seen his vault getting robbed from the security room. The only way an electronic device can survive an EMP is if the device is turned off.”

Well, the “mistake” says that “the only way an electronic device can survive an EMP is if the device is turned off.” That is not necessarily true. If the device is properly shielded, it would also be able to survive an EMP blast. So much for the critics. There are other recent movies that refer to the use of EMP bombs and weaponry:

THE MATRIX: Revolutions (2003) also had references to EMP Bombs.

INDEPENDENCE DAY (1996) – had references of vehicles that were not susceptible to EMP weapons, like the M93 FOX.

IN GAMES
Just like in some movies where they are featured as a weapon that fizzles everything electronic, the idea of using EMPs is proliferating into popular combat games. There are several games that feature EMP technology and weaponry for defeating the enemy within virtual combat:

Midway Games – Fireblade (XBOX)
ELECTRONIC AGE’s Battlefield 2142

Like so many other new technology-based weapons, movies and science fiction, as well as combat games have romanticized EMP’s. But, what would happen if they were used for real?

ON TV – JERICHO
CBS’s JERICHO is the latest media to ignite EMP interest. Blogs have sprung up discussing the story plot as well as the accuracy of the technical details. The critics range from Gamers and Ham radio operators to real authorities voicing criticisms that range from bad plots to lack of reality on certain equipment and events.

Here is one I thought was interesting:
“Now, I thought that the internet was built around an older US military intranet, designed specifically to survive a nuclear attack. I mean there is so much redundancy built into the phone network that destruction of a number of main cities wouldn't completely disable this system.

They have electricity coming from somewhere, so power to drive their pc's/laptops… communications should have been far more resilient.”

Resilient? Not with tons of unshielded, twisted pair as the last mile. And what do you make of this comment on the same blog?:
“If you look at the targets Boulder, Wichita, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Chicago, Seattle, etc., these aren't military targets and they are not major population centers. They are something in between.”

Chicago is NOT a major population area? And from another discussion forum:
“The whole EMP issue is tackled in tonight’s episode. I don't know how you get an EMP from a bomb 2 weeks later.”

The short answer to that: You don’t. It’s immediate. So much for technical accuracy on Jericho.

IN REALITY
The latest concern surrounding EMP’s is that a rogue nation like North Korea or Iran could explode a bomb above the United States and send us back into pre-electronic times. With the recent nuclear tests that have happened in North Korea, it does not sound like a movie or TV episode that “could never happen in real life.” In one blog:
“U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says his main concern following North Korea’s claim that it tested a nuclear explosive is that it could provide nuclear technology to other countries, and to terrorist groups.

Secretary Rumsfeld says North Korea’s claim has raised concern around the world, and that his particular concern about the nuclear programs there and in Iran is the potential for proliferation.

“Their programs point to increasing risks of lethal weapons possibly ending up in the hands of non-state entities, folks that, unlike a nation, tend not to be deterred the way a nation-state would because they don’t have to worry about protecting real estate, population and leadership,” he said. Secretary Rumsfeld says North Korea and Iran have already shown their willingness to sell weapons both to other countries and to terrorist groups. He also expressed concern that North Korea’s test could inspire moves by other countries in Asia to develop their own nuclear weapons capabilities.

Misinformation about E-Bombs should be cleared up. After seeing 9/11 happen, the range of security scenarios that this country was prepared to deal with was definitely not complete.

All the “defense experts” went back to the drawing board to intellectualize and debate “How could this have ever happened?” Well it did and they definitely did not have it covered in their strategic play book.”

From a review of a House subcommittee report:
“Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, chairman of the House Projection Forces Subcommittee, says an EMP attack – even by an underfunded, unsophisticated terrorist group – has the potential to cripple U. S. society and kill millions.

"Today we are very much concerned ... about asymmetric weapons," Bartlett told his colleagues. "We are a big, powerful country. Nobody can contend with us shoulder-to-shoulder, face-to-face. So all of our potential adversaries are looking for what we refer to as asymmetric weapons. That is a weapon that overcomes our superior capabilities. There is no asymmetric weapon that has anywhere near the potential of EMP."

Bartlett added: "Potential adversaries are aware of the EMP's strategic attack option. Ninety-nine percent of Americans may not know very much about EMP, but I will assure you ... that 100 percent of our potential enemies know all about EMP. I think that the American people need to know about EMP because they need to demand that their government do the prudent thing so that we will be less and less susceptible, less and less at risk to an EMP attack year by year. The threat is not adequately addressed in U. S. national and homeland security programs. Not only is it not adequately addressed; it is usually ignored, not even mentioned, and it certainly needs to be considered."

EMP, he warned, can cause catastrophic damage to the nation by destroying the electric power infrastructure, causing cascading failures in the infrastructure for everything: telecommunications, energy, transportation, finance, food, and water.”

Judging by this serious warning, it seems that all businesses should have EMP’s on their risk management radar screen. Yet, the truth is that most risk managers are probably not up to speed in this area and would probably not even see it coming.

In another recent article entitled “U.S. Seen Vulnerable to Space 'Pulse' Attack,’” by Bill Gertz Frank J. Gaffney Jr, of the Center for Security Policy, former Pentagon offical, and author warns: "this is the single most serious national-security challenge and certainly the least known.” His book explains that “an electromagnetic-pulse (EMP) attack uses X-rays and gamma rays produced in a nuclear blast in three separate waves of pulses, each with more damaging effects, and would take months or years to repair… The damage to unshielded electronics would be irreversible.”

To some people, this is just another fear designed to generate expenditures in defense budgets or in corporate risk management areas. To others, it is a realistic issue that must be considered a threat to business continuity and network infrastructures just like the risk of a hurricane or a conventional power-grid outage.

Maybe a new generation of electronic devices should be developed which have an “EMP Proof” seal of approval or maybe there is another solution. At the least, though, the serious risk EMP’s pose to our current electronic world should be taken seriously.

CARLINI-ISM: To ignore EMP threats in your risk management plan is foolish at this point.

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[oiram]

EMP (electro magnetic pulse) weaponsonly till a point which will be when the shit hits the fans and we wont even need to go looking for proof/ info .....
it will all be at our front doors.it will all be at our front doors.:eek::D:D
I don't have a front door! :D Never lose your Humor!;)

[oiram]

http://www.carliniscomments.com/archives/110-EMP-BOMBS-MOVIES,-,GAMES,-JERICHO-AND-REALITY.htmlEMP BOMBS: MOVIES, ,GAMES, JERICHO AND REALITY
Interesting stuff but I strongly recommend you get off Movies, Computer Games and watching TV you will end up with square eyes!:D:D

By the way did you see the End Game Movie yet???

I think the Game is called; he came like a Thief at night!:D

Who will be the winner in the end?? NWO or WTF?
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:bBhzP_FERNyrvM:http://www.metaversalstudios.com/images/wtf_detail.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.metaversalstudios.com/images/wtf_detail.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.metaversalstudios.com/wtf_detail.php&h=474&w=320&sz=60&hl=en&start=36&usg=__W0UzCDGEGcmuHaT_fSzH1fpEkyk=&tbnid=bBhzP_FERNyrvM:&tbnh=129&tbnw=87&prev=/images%3Fq%3DWTF%26start%3D18%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D1 8%26hl%3Den%26newwindow%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN)
Word Truth Fedaration (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=521693&postcount=91)

[sannox]

all i ever needed to know about the van allen belt i learned from the movie - journey to the bottom of the sea .

go seaveiw .

[oiram]

Now you Guys tell me what you think!

You know what was my first reaction & I said to my Friend the first time I seen the Mars Rover images on TV with Iron red back ground?
I said to him you know this back ground image reminded me of places I have seen when I was working in the outback of Australia!

Now all what is missing to make the bogus Mars landing complete is; that a freaking Kangaroo will jump past the Rover Camera!:eek::D

http://www.redcentre.com.au/050d.jpg (http://www.redcentre.com.au/red-centre.html)http://www.teslasociety.com/marspic4.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.teslasociety.com/marspic4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.teslasociety.com/mars2.htm&h=400&w=400&sz=51&hl=en&start=61&um=1&usg=__21V1JtB58adPAjJSVBfQUD6Wdnk=&tbnid=VEK_9ujCiC-KWM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfirst%2Bmars%2Blanding%26start%3D54%2 6ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26newwindow%3D1%26sa fe%3Doff%26sa%3DN)
http://www.stereoeye.jp/stereoclub/scta2003/pd_Alice_Springs_Corroboree_2_R.jpg (http://www.redcentre.com.au/brochure/rcapg3.htm)

Maybe the Pictures have been taken close to Alice springs but could have been taken anywhere in Australia?
Now I was not joking when I said this to my Friend because have a look at this Photos and this is with no filter being used!
Not only this; have a look what they call the side name where I got the Photos from!:eek:

Mars the red Planet "Right" Australia also because of the iron all over the place!
Side Name: Australian Red Centre Experience
http://www.redcentre.com.au/brochure/030a.jpg (http://www.redcentre.com.au/brochure/rcapg3.htm)
http://www.redcentre.com.au/brochure/rcapg3.htm

What do you think do I have a point here! Do they have secret secure Bases around the Alice springs area?

Now I have to say to these NASA guys don't you monkeys know that Australia is Australia & not Mars?:eek::D

[jesta_g]

it will all be at our front doors.:eek::D:D
I don't have a front door! :D Never lose your Humor!;)

HAHA NICE! thats it youve the answer......... quick everyone get rid of your front doors!! :p:D

[graflok]

Now you Guys tell me what you think!

You know what was my first reaction & I said to my Friend the first time I seen the Mars Rover images on TV with Iron red back ground?
I said to him you know this back ground image reminded me of places I have seen when I was working in the outback of Australia!

Now all what is missing to make the bogus Mars landing complete is; that a freaking Kangaroo will jump past the Rover Camera!:eek::D

http://www.redcentre.com.au/050d.jpg (http://www.redcentre.com.au/red-centre.html)http://www.teslasociety.com/marspic4.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.teslasociety.com/marspic4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.teslasociety.com/mars2.htm&h=400&w=400&sz=51&hl=en&start=61&um=1&usg=__21V1JtB58adPAjJSVBfQUD6Wdnk=&tbnid=VEK_9ujCiC-KWM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfirst%2Bmars%2Blanding%26start%3D54%2 6ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26newwindow%3D1%26sa fe%3Doff%26sa%3DN)
http://www.stereoeye.jp/stereoclub/scta2003/pd_Alice_Springs_Corroboree_2_R.jpg (http://www.redcentre.com.au/brochure/rcapg3.htm)

Maybe the Pictures have been taken close to Alice springs but could have been taken anywhere in Australia?
Now I was not joking when I said this to my Friend because have a look at this Photos and this is with no filter being used!
Not only this; have a look what they call the side name where I got the Photos from!:eek:

Mars the red Planet "Right" Australia also because of the iron all over the place!
Side Name: Australian Red Centre Experience
http://www.redcentre.com.au/brochure/030a.jpg (http://www.redcentre.com.au/brochure/rcapg3.htm)
http://www.redcentre.com.au/brochure/rcapg3.htm

What do you think do I have a point here! Do they have secret secure Bases around the Alice springs area?

Now I have to say to these NASA guys don't you monkeys know that Australia is Australia & not Mars?:eek::D

It's documented in Richard Hoagland's latest book, Dark Mission, that NASA
alters the color balance of their "Mars" images to make them look more red.

I have also read (but can't find the source of just now) that someone was
watching some televised images from the Mars rovers and saw a guy
walk by the rover dressed in normal Earth-type clothes and another person
identified one of the rover's Mars scenes as actually being a spot in
Death Valley, California.

If you look at NASA's images from their current "Martian" Phoenix Mission,
which you can see here (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/main/index.html), they are really lame and show very little. They
could have been taken in many places on Earth.

[mercuryrapids]

I have also read (but can't find the source of just now) that someone was watching some televised images from the Mars rovers and saw a guy
walk by the rover dressed in normal Earth-type clothes

I don't think the rovers on Mars have 'live' TV cameras. What the person might have seen was footage of the full-size duplicate of the rovers that NASA use for troubleshooting etc.

[timvickers]

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

[dangermouse]

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

Unsure about the moon landing to be honest ..

[thegoodnessisgood]

That original video that started this post is very interesting but could be a hoax in and of itself. However, it is compelling and coupled with the demeanor of the astronauts afterwards and the general reading of body language there, it seems very likely that the version presented in the documentary is indeed the correct one. Also Buzz Aldrin looks like a real fake lying dude. 33rd Degree masons get introduced usually to the notion that Lucifer is their purpose and therefore from that point on that they accept that they have NO issue whatsoever with lying absolutely and completely. In fact the only thing they answer honestly is "I am Lucifer". funny enough it says that in the bible that if you ask the Devil his name he is forced to reveal himself, but every other thing out of his mouth will be a lie. There is an excellent vid on youtube where this guy video taped a mason outside his club and he was saying "I am lucifer, I am goodness and honesty" stuff like that.
edit just found it here it is: Mason - Shriner claims to be Lucifer - YouTube

man this guy is a ball of hate.

What I LOVE about this video is how the video taper energetically beats this guy. I mean this guy is just trying to unload his evil but he walks away in the end.

[bobhodge]

David Icke is under mind control by the Royal Arch Freemasons. His principle aim is to disinform and to make everyone think that conspiracies are for lunatics. Check out tomlilnson blogs. the current one is manningham buller blogspot.

[real6]

David Icke is under mind control by the Royal Arch Freemasons. His principle aim is to disinform and to make everyone think that conspiracies are for lunatics. Check out tomlilnson blogs. the current one is manningham buller blogspot.

Sure sure

[bobhodge]

Sure sure

Ok. I am just kidding. Really the planet is being controlled by lizards from another dimension. You caught me.

[beldazar]

well youre NEARLY right! :D

[real6]

Ok. I am just kidding. Really the planet is being controlled by lizards from another dimension. You caught me.

:)

[deany]

[QUOTE=beldazar;522113]I reckon they faked the moon landing because they couldnt show what was REALLY up there! :)QUOTE]


totally agree with this theory

[deany]

he he they keep trying don't they, eh Bob ;-)

give up mate

[jesta_g]

David Icke is under mind control by the Royal Arch Freemasons. His principle aim is to disinform and to make everyone think that conspiracies are for lunatics. Check out tomlilnson blogs. the current one is manningham buller blogspot.


hahahahhahahahaha ................ um no.
your being sarcies right?

as i said about alex jones, if David was under mindcontrol and is disinfo then hes doing a bloody shite job at stopping us from finding the truth. i mean even if he is bullshitting then all those that have heard his piece and gone and done there own homework (i should like to hope and think so ). take this forum as a huge example,.................. IF MR ICKE REALLY WANTED TO SPREAD DISINFO HE WOULD NOT LET THIS FORUM EVEN EXIST!
id say that the people on this forum as a collective have as close to the answer as the truth that we can ge right now.

have you actually read a book of his?
Davids "principle aim" is to share the information which he has found that has piled up for decades now(he DID NOT make this shite up) and thrown it on the table, take it as you please its there for our benefit to prove or disprove the "truth".

why would you even come on this forum to think or say that? this is a forum with thousands of Icke fans who all have a thirst for knowledge and the truth. think about it.

if mr icke is spreading bullshit then he has still brought us all together with an added aim in life, truth and love. if thats disinfo then im sticking with it.

[hagbard_celine]

I wonder why David Icke doesnt speak out about the moon landings hoax.
Or at least i have never heard him comment about it.

Personally i have known about the moon landings hoax long before 911 or anything else. And it is strange that the 'official' opposition groups never speak of the moon hoax.

Anyone who believes the moon landings fairy tale is clearly still brainwashed.

Opinion polls in the US show that the percentage of people who have realised the moon landings hoax is rising fast 25% was the last i heard.

It would be good to start a UK campaign to raise public awareness of this issue.

David mentions it very briefly in Tales From the Timeloop.

There are several different opinion polls, all done in the United States that give figures of between 40% and 5%. Who knows who the exact percentage is who have grasped that Apollo is fake, but there's no doubt a significant number of people do and that's encouraging. Yes, maybe we should concentrate our efforts outside the USA. I wonder if the British public believe in Apollo as much as the Americans do?

I honestly dont understand why because it is so blatantly obvious that nobody have ever gone to the moon and it was simply a fraud to rob the US taxpayer and divert funds to the Vietnam war.


No doubt there was an element of this, but really it runs far deeper.

[hagbard_celine]

ive heard they faked moon missions to use funds for other projects eg haarp, proj bluebeam etc etc.

I bet some of it was funnelled in that direction!;)

Remember that the "accounting errors" for the US Department of Defence run to over 2 trillion dollars! A trillion is 1000 billion, so much money that it's impossible to imagine!:eek: And they ask: "But how could they fund HAARP, Chemtrails AREA 51 etc?"!:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

I always ask the following question to people who believe in the moon landings;

How come in 2008 no manned space craft can go more than 350 miles from Earth, if in 1969 they went 240,000 miles to the moon ?


I know. Just read Arthur C Clarke and other sci-fi books from that era! We were supposed to go to Mars, have a permanent moon base and send manned craft into the outer planets by the end of the century!:eek:

Any sci-fi fan from the late 60's who could see into the future to today would gasp in dismay!:( "What!? In 2008 and you've not even left low Earth orbit again!?"

[hagbard_celine]

I reckon they faked the moon landing because they couldnt show what was REALLY up there! :)



I'm pretty sure that's one of the reasons.;)

[bobhodge]

hahahahhahahahaha ................ um no.
your being sarcies right?

as i said about alex jones, if David was under mindcontrol and is disinfo then hes doing a bloody shite job at stopping us from finding the truth. i mean even if he is bullshitting then all those that have heard his piece and gone and done there own homework (i should like to hope and think so ). take this forum as a huge example,.................. IF MR ICKE REALLY WANTED TO SPREAD DISINFO HE WOULD NOT LET THIS FORUM EVEN EXIST!
id say that the people on this forum as a collective have as close to the answer as the truth that we can ge right now.

have you actually read a book of his?
Davids "principle aim" is to share the information which he has found that has piled up for decades now(he DID NOT make this shite up) and thrown it on the table, take it as you please its there for our benefit to prove or disprove the "truth".

why would you even come on this forum to think or say that? this is a forum with thousands of Icke fans who all have a thirst for knowledge and the truth. think about it.

if mr icke is spreading bullshit then he has still brought us all together with an added aim in life, truth and love. if thats disinfo then im sticking with it.

Icke believes what he is saying is real. He does not consciously know he is under mind control. Icke has been programmed to mix truth with fiction, and some stuff on here is definitely true. This forum exists to support the myth that all conspiracy theorists are crazy. People under mind control dont know that they are under mind control. Notice how David Shayler, an ex-MI5 agent and 9/11 truther, all of sudden started to blabber on about how he is the son of God.

[hagbard_celine]

Yes it starts about 400 miles up, thats why the space station is lower than that and why the shuttles never went above 350 miles.

The actual figures for the height, depth and intensity of the Van Allen Belts varies enormously! Why is it that according to NASa in the 60's they had the radiation problem "sorted"?:rolleyes::confused:

There's a whole thread on the VAB's: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21926

[hagbard_celine]

and they could'nt get through the van allen radiation belts in the tin cans they had.......

all fake...the lighting proves it.......and when those 3 had their first press conference they acted like dejected sell outs , heads down , they knew they were conning the world.....

at that conference "the sky at night' bbc guy, asked.........what did the stars look like?........perlpexed and stunned for a second.........they said they did'nt see any, :eek:

the telementary came from W. Aussie,......one woman called a local tv station in Perth to say she could see a coke cola tin, LOL....

that was quickly removed from telecast............


the cost.......a decent life with every single living human on the planet today.......just like LHC and wall st......thouands of trillions...


That's a concise but accurate summary of the situation!:cool:;)

[hagbard_celine]

Now you Guys tell me what you think!

You know what was my first reaction & I said to my Friend the first time I seen the Mars Rover images on TV with Iron red back ground?
I said to him you know this back ground image reminded me of places I have seen when I was working in the outback of Australia!

Now all what is missing to make the bogus Mars landing complete is; that a freaking Kangaroo will jump past the Rover Camera!:eek::D

http://www.redcentre.com.au/050d.jpg (http://www.redcentre.com.au/red-centre.html)http://www.teslasociety.com/marspic4.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.teslasociety.com/marspic4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.teslasociety.com/mars2.htm&h=400&w=400&sz=51&hl=en&start=61&um=1&usg=__21V1JtB58adPAjJSVBfQUD6Wdnk=&tbnid=VEK_9ujCiC-KWM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfirst%2Bmars%2Blanding%26start%3D54%2 6ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26newwindow%3D1%26sa fe%3Doff%26sa%3DN)
http://www.stereoeye.jp/stereoclub/scta2003/pd_Alice_Springs_Corroboree_2_R.jpg (http://www.redcentre.com.au/brochure/rcapg3.htm)

Maybe the Pictures have been taken close to Alice springs but could have been taken anywhere in Australia?
Now I was not joking when I said this to my Friend because have a look at this Photos and this is with no filter being used!
Not only this; have a look what they call the side name where I got the Photos from!:eek:

Mars the red Planet "Right" Australia also because of the iron all over the place!
Side Name: Australian Red Centre Experience
http://www.redcentre.com.au/brochure/030a.jpg (http://www.redcentre.com.au/brochure/rcapg3.htm)
http://www.redcentre.com.au/brochure/rcapg3.htm

What do you think do I have a point here! Do they have secret secure Bases around the Alice springs area?

Now I have to say to these NASA guys don't you monkeys know that Australia is Australia & not Mars?:eek::D

A lot of the information from Mars is faked too I think.

[hagbard_celine]

It's documented in Richard Hoagland's latest book, Dark Mission, that NASA
alters the color balance of their "Mars" images to make them look more red.

I have also read (but can't find the source of just now) that someone was
watching some televised images from the Mars rovers and saw a guy
walk by the rover dressed in normal Earth-type clothes and another person
identified one of the rover's Mars scenes as actually being a spot in
Death Valley, California.

If you look at NASA's images from their current "Martian" Phoenix Mission,
which you can see here (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/main/index.html), they are really lame and show very little. They
could have been taken in many places on Earth.

Some of the colour anomalies in the Mars pictures can be explained by the transmission and developing process, but this certaionly doesn't prove that they're real! :cool:

[hagbard_celine]

Unsure about the moon landing to be honest ..

I've read the Badastronomy site and it's more detailed immitator Clavius.org: http://www.clavius.org/. In my view they DO NOT successfully defend the veracity of the moon landings.

[real6]

I've read the Badastronomy site and it's more detailed immitator Clavius.org: http://www.clavius.org/. In my view they DO NOT successfully defend the veracity of the moon landings.

Mars is blue...

http://www.libertythink.com/totalinformation/BlueMars.htm

[real6]

Speaking of the moon!!!

Aristarchus Crater
Electric Blue Gem or Fusion Reactor?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/FYEO_Lunar_02.html

What do you Guys/Gals think?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancie..._Lunar_02.html

http://212.23.30.185:88/aj/moonc.html


Clear Moon Pics!!!

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancie...ages_Mike.html



Aristarchus Crater
Electric Blue Gem or Fusion Reactor?

Aristarchus Crater has long been a much debated enigma on the Moon. Yet whenever you see pictures and try to get close in for details, the area is a total white out, with no detail. It is supposedly because of its brightness. We will discuss the rumors and stories of Aristarchus further down. The image above is taken from LICKOSB9 As you can see the area is devoid of any gray pixels, leaving a totally white splotch. Below is the same area on LICKOSBA. Again we see the totally white splotch. You will find this in all of the lesser quality full moon images on the web.




John Lear believes this to be a Fusion Reactor. Other members of Pegasus have different ideas, but all are related to some sort of power device. We now have several images from several independent sources showing the electric blue glow and the "structure". All the images we have seen where "the lights are on" show this regular uniform structure, yet many photos can be found that show just a crater.

Transient Lunar Phenomena (TLP)

From this and other documentary evidence we have gathered, it appears that this phenomena is not always on. When all the data is correlated it will be presented here on this website. but here are a few observances around Aristarchus Crater...

Report Nov 2-3, 1958

"On the night of November 2-3, 1958, Russian astronomer Nikolai A. Kozyrev witnessed a strange phenomenon while making spectrograms of the crater Alphonsus with the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory's 50-inch reflector. As he watched through the telescope's guiding eyepiece, he saw the crater's central peak blur and turn an unusual reddish color. The spectrograms confirmed his visual impressions of a volcanic event; they showed an emission spectrum of carbon vapor (S&T:February, 1959, page 184).. Kozyrev has recorded via spectrograms numerous incidents of red transient lunar phenomena, particularly in the 80 mile wide crater known as Alphonsus. It was at this location in 1965 that the final Ranger probe 9 crash landed. Aristarchus is not only one of the brightest formations on the moon, it is responsible for more than half the number of reported TLP and has been a proven source for gaseous emissions - Farshores.org

Reports 1650 to 1950

NASA Technical Report TR R-277. was published in July 1968 as a Chronological Catalog of Reported Lunar Events and is available here - NASA Technical Report TR R-277

1650 Aristarchus "Red Hill." Mons Porphyrites Hevelius B.A.A. Lunar Sec. Circa. 1967, 2, No 8

1784 Aristarchus Nebulous bright spot of light Schroter Schroter 1791
1785 Aristarchus Nebulous bright spot of light Schroter Schroter 1791
1786 Dec 24 Aristarchus Extraordinarily bright Schroter Schroter 1791
1787 May 19-20 Aristarchus Extraordinarily bright von Bruhl Bode 1790; Schroter 1791; Herschel 1912
1788 Apr 9 Aristarchus; 1 hr Extraordinarily bright Bode Bode 1792b
1788 Apr 9-11 Aristarchus Bright spot 26" N of crater rim Schroter, Bode Schroter 1789, 1791, 1792a, 1792b
1788 Sep 26 Near Aristarchus; 30 min Bright spot 26" N of main crater Schroter Rozier 1788, 1792; Schroter 1791
1788 Dec 2, 5:35 am Aristarchus Extraordinarily bright, like star Schroter Schroter 1791

1824 May 1 Near Aristarchus Blinking light, 9th to 10th mag.. on dark side Gobel Gobel 1826
1824 Oct 18 Aristarchus, vicinity Mingling of all kinds of colors in small spots in the W and NW of Aristarchus Gruithuisen Gruithuisen 1824; Fauth 1899
1825 Apr 22 Aristarchus and vicinity Periodic illumination Argelander, Gobel Argelander 1826, Gobel 1826
1866 Jun 10 Aristarchus Star like light Tempel Denning, Tel.Work p.121
1866 Jun 14-16 Aristarchus, vicinity Reddish yellow Tempel Tempel 1867
1866 Dark side Bright spots Hodgson Hodgson 1866
1867 Apr 9, 19h30m - 21h00m Aristarchus, vicinity; 1 hr 30 min Bright spot on dark side, 7th mag., becoming fainter after 20h15m UT Elger Elger 1868
1867 Apr 12, 07h30m - 08h30m Aristarchus, vicinity; 1 hr Bright spot on dark side, 7th mag.. Elger Webb 1962
1867 May 6-7 Aristarchus; at least several hours each night Left side of crater, very bright luminous point, appearing like a volcano Flammarion Flammarion 1884
1867 May 7 Aristarchus, vicinity Reddish yellow, beacon like light Tempel Tempel 1867; Astr. Reg. 1868
1884 Nov 29, 19h00m - 21h00m Aristarchus; 2 hr Nebulous at center; elsewhere features well defined Hislop Sirius 1885
1889 Jul 12, ~20h52m Aristarchus During lunar eclipse, brilliance in surrounding gloom was striking Krueger Krueger 1889; Fisher 1924
1891 May 23, ~18h20m Aristarchus region Lunar eclipse, half hour before end of totality, Aristarchus and region immediately N of it became conspicuous and increased in brightness from that time on W.E. Jackson Jackson 1890-91; Fisher 1924

1931 Aristarchus Bluish glare Goodacre, Molesworth Goodacre 1931
1949 Oct 7, ~02h54m Aristarchus Abnormally bright during lunar eclipse G.Brown, Hare Contrib. by Moore
1949 Nov 3, 01h06m Aristarchus Blue glare, base inner W wall Bartlett Bartlett 1967

1950 Jun 27, 02h30m Aristarchus Blue glare, base inner W wall Bartlett Bartlett 1967
1950 Jun 27 Herodotus Bright point in crater Bartlett Strol. Astr. 1962
1950 Jun 28, 03h27m Aristarchus Blue glare, rim of W wall Bartlett Bartlett 1967
1950 Jun 29, 05h30m Aristarchus Strong bluish glare; E, SE wall Bartlett Bartlett 1967
1950 Jul 26, 02h52m Aristarchus Blue glare, base inner W wall Bartlett Bartlett 1967
1950 Jul 31, 04h50m Aristarchus Violet glare, E, NE rim Bartlett Bartlett 1967
1950 Aug 28, 04h25m Aristarchus Intense blue violet glare; E wall bright spot, E, NE rim Bartlett Bartlett 1967

[jesta_g]

Icke believes what he is saying is real. He does not consciously know he is under mind control. Icke has been programmed to mix truth with fiction, and some stuff on here is definitely true. This forum exists to support the myth that all conspiracy theorists are crazy. People under mind control dont know that they are under mind control. Notice how David Shayler, an ex-MI5 agent and 9/11 truther, all of sudden started to blabber on about how he is the son of God.


i would like PROOF that David Icke is mind controlled. links/videos/ witness accounts and more.

He never once said he "was the son of god" and apologise for that misunderstanding years ago. im quite sure anyone who has just gained an overwhelming amount of information and understanding about reality and the universe WHEN NONE ELSE HAS SAID THIS is in someway going to think that they are divine r are a chosen one.

His books are master pieces on a level and from the amount of deep investigation im sure many have done including on this forum they can confirm what he says. his latest book which is the redefined and matured words of a man who clearly knows a vaste amount of te truth while having no academics behind.
there are no accounts of his family or friends stating that his personality changes at any time in particular during seminars/talks. he is wholeheartedly kind and caring to everyone that is in his pressence.

im sorry i mean no offence to you and this maybe of your opinion but when you say something like about someone wh in my opinion has given the world such incredible information which has lead to the mass awakening of the truth then I (and im sure many others) are going to need alot of evidence to support this. david icke isnt exMI-5 and he isnt just a 9/11 truther so theres no use comparing him to David Shayler, thats hardly evidence.

in fact if theres anyone im going to point the finger of disinformation and mind cntrol at it is YOU.

David has provided an avalanche of evidence supporting his claims, this is the amount of evidence id expect from someone claiming that david is mind controlled and disinfo.

listening to the those around the world who have clearly been traumatised in some way by the things that theyve witnessed, David has been the only person to open up to them and listen to their experiances. that alone is a gift and alone shows the kindness in his heart.

have you read all of his books? have you met david himself?where did you get this claim from?

in my opinion David has been a "blessing" to this world and I alone with many others im sure are grateful for the relentless hard work and abuse he has had to go through to get this info out.

when will he get his long deserved peace?

[jesta_g]

[QUOTE=bobhodge;523985] People under mind control dont know that they are under mind control. QUOTE]


Right now I could very easily say this about you ;)

[real6]

i would like PROOF that David Icke is mind controlled. links/videos/ witness accounts and more.

He never once said he "was the son of god"

Hese the link!!!

Its blocked at work but i think this is it...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGVwaVpdRE

[endlessvista]

Any sci-fi fan from the late 60's who could see into the future to today would gasp in dismay!:( "What!? In 2008 and you've not even left low Earth orbit again!?"

Yes it is amazing really. But apart of me thinks it is too dangerous for people to go into space and a lot of this is rooted in the Star Trek mentality that we somehow have to do it. Because of Hollywood mindset rather than a scientific one.

We have got back amazing results with unmanned probes. I prefer that to some astronaut sticking a flag and nationalising a planet. Apart from the sheer egoism of the Apollo mission, what was the scientific gain? Playing golf on the moon?

Honestly when you see the data and images unmanned probes such as Cassini and Voyager have given us do you really need to some some American arsehole going "kowabunga dude!" on the surface of Mars. I don't.

Look at this proto of the Earth on the rings of Saturn. Would putting humans up there make it any more beautiful or magical.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/Images/saturn_cas.jpg

[jesta_g]

Sorry ill repeat what i said before




He never once said he "was the son of god" and apologise for that misunderstanding years ago. im quite sure anyone who has just gained an overwhelming amount of information and understanding about reality and the universe WHEN NOONE ELSE HAS SAID THIS is in someway going to think that they are divine or are a chosen one.


when will he get his long deserved peace?


Ive seen that video plenty thanks dude :)

tho it isnt really proof of anything except for a man who has gained an awful lot of info to give the world and has just been ridiculed on national television.

once again - im quite sure anyone who has just gained an overwhelming amount of information and understanding about reality and the universe WHEN NOONE ELSE HAS SAID THIS is in someway going to think that they are divine or are a chosen one.

David has had plenty of time now to develop his understandings and give further support to his claims and findings. it is a sign of a man who is willing to be proven wrong should the sufficient evidence appear. weve had a whole load of information proving these conspiracies but bugger all attempts from people to disprove them just thoughtless remarks that further ridicule others.

until there is sufficient evidence to support the claim that david icke is mind controlled then im going to stick to my opinion and listen to wht he has to say........ that is not to say ill trust him or anyone for that matter but rather take in the info and do my own work/understanding of the subject :)

[jesta_g]

We have got back amazing results with unmanned probes. I prefer that to some astronaut sticking a flag and nationalising a planet. Apart from the sheer egoism of the Apollo mission, what was the scientific gain? Playing golf on the moon?




those are incredible photos !!


and you make a very funny yet good point here :). what was gained from the apollo "landings"? indeed playing golf and a couple of guys moving like puppets on strings is about that comes to mind :p

[bobhodge]

I cannot come up with any proof that David Icke is an unknowing mind controlled slave of the elite. I came to this conclusion after reading Cathy O'Briens book which she describes her MK ULTRA brainwashing and she was given mind altering drugs during programming sessions and was tricked into believing that reptilians from another dimension were controlling the world. I believe Icke mentions her in his books but I think he uses his story as proof of his theory. It is much more rational to reason that the he thinks this because he himself has been subject to the same procedures.

[jesta_g]

I cannot come up with any proof that David Icke is an unknowing mind controlled slave of the elite. I came to this conclusion after reading Cathy O'Briens book which she describes her MK ULTRA brainwashing and she was given mind altering drugs during programming sessions and was tricked into believing that reptilians from another dimension were controlling the world. I believe Icke mentions her in his books but I think he uses his story as proof of his theory. It is much more rational to reason that the he thinks this because he himself has been subject to the same procedures.



are you saying your claim is based on your own conclusion? .... if so then your very much entitled to your opinion however it is quite flawed, if not just because of the lack of evidence for one thing.

have you read one of david ickes books?

also if you have done further investigation to DISPROVE Mr icke and his part to the claim of a reptilian race you will find there are hundreds of writers (some long before Ickes work) that have mentioned at great lengths the existance of a reptilian race, here is a small handful of great writers and documenters on the that subject alone (let alone the incredible amounts of information these individuals give anyway on many subjects) -

Credo mutwa, michael tsarion, chris everrard, erik von daniken, drunvalo melchizedek, alex collier, carl sagan, john rhodes, sharula dux, diane robbins, R A Boulay, Thoth - the emerald tablets, bill cooper
- just to name a very small handful ....... i take it these and many more are mind controlled yeh?

are you aware of the interviews david icke has had since with cathy o brian and she is now aware that she did not hallucinate the shapeshifting events.

are you aware of all the worlds ancient cultures pointing to there origins or knowledge being from an ancient race of reptilian beings that bred and genetically manipulated with Humans?
in ancient times these beings were referred to some as the chitauri (across africa), the nagas (across india and asia) , nau khua (in china), taniphwa (in new zealand), annunaki (ancient sumeria), ....... also reptilian "gods" of the south american cultures (mayans,aztecs) , you have the shapeshifting Djoser of the egyptians and the Djedhi of the himalayas to name a very few places with the similarity of reptilian gods or ancestors.

read the holy book the mahabharata for an incredible ancient account (thousands of years old text) of a time which was filled with war between "gods" who flew in ships and crafts and were often described as reptilian.

heres an amazing interview by david icke with credo mutwa, an african zulu shaman, who is one of the few remaining, that is the official historian for the zulu nation -

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

this is just 2 of the 13 parts to one of his interviews, trust you will watch it and listen t the incredible message he has to give.

here is an amazing documentary i HIGHLY recomend watching done by Chris Everrard of Enigma TV -

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

once again this only 2 parts to 12 of this INCREDIBLE documentary. A MUST SEE!!

further more check this website for some great information -
http://www.reptoids.com/
this work has little to do with david ickes work except for the subject of reptilians.

so in conclusion id say IT IS more rational to investigate further and then after that investigate some more to come to the truth. David Icke did not make up the reptilian thing or any of his claims for that matter, he has taken all the information and evidence that he has gathered over years of hard work and ridicle on put it on the table for people like us to further investigate to find the truth.

ill stick to my opinion that david icke is a good man who is not mind controlled :)

[jesta_g]

i apologise to all for going slightly off subject to this thread :)

[stelios]

I dont really understand why people are using this thread to knock David Icke again.
He is after all the reason all of us are here.
Icke is the person who woke most of us up to certain realities in this world.
That there is an illuminati.
That we are being lied to on a daily and constant basis.
That vaccinnes are bad for us as are most medicines.
Our water is contaminated with floride and oestrogen.
That 911 and 7/7 were inside jobs carried out by zionists.

But i have still not heard him speak of the moon landings hoax.
It may be that he hasnt looked into it yet.

I would like him to start speaking out about it because it would help raise public awareness of the subject.

[real6]

i dont really understand why people are using this thread to knock david icke again.


But i have still not heard him speak of the moon landings hoax.
It may be that he hasnt looked into it yet.

I would like him to start speaking out about it because it would help raise public awareness of the subject.


amen!!!

[jesta_g]

I dont really understand why people are using this thread to knock David Icke again.
He is after all the reason all of us are here.
Icke is the person who woke most of us up to certain realities in this world.
That there is an illuminati.
That we are being lied to on a daily and constant basis.
That vaccinnes are bad for us as are most medicines.
Our water is contaminated with floride and oestrogen.
That 911 and 7/7 were inside jobs carried out by zionists.

But i have still not heard him speak of the moon landings hoax.
It may be that he hasnt looked into it yet.

I would like him to start speaking out about it because it would help raise public awareness of the subject.


HAAAAALLLLLEELLLUUJJAAH ... HAAALLLLLLEEEELLLLUUUJJAH.... HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH ... HALLE LE LUUUUU JAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

sorry i mean yes i agree :)

[graflok]

Icke believes what he is saying is real. He does not consciously know he is under mind control. Icke has been programmed to mix truth with fiction, and some stuff on here is definitely true. This forum exists to support the myth that all conspiracy theorists are crazy. People under mind control dont know that they are under mind control. Notice how David Shayler, an ex-MI5 agent and 9/11 truther, all of sudden started to blabber on about how he is the son of God.

bob, the illuminati called. They want their electrodes back. :D

[redman]

I cannot come up with any proof that David Icke is an unknowing mind controlled slave of the elite. I came to this conclusion after reading Cathy O'Briens book which she describes her MK ULTRA brainwashing and she was given mind altering drugs during programming sessions and was tricked into believing that reptilians from another dimension were controlling the world. I believe Icke mentions her in his books but I think he uses his story as proof of his theory. It is much more rational to reason that the he thinks this because he himself has been subject to the same procedures.



So you are saying that every single person that has come out with the concept of ET's being involved in the creation or even just contact with humans have been brain washed ??

I think you need to do some more research on the matter to be perfectly honest with you.

[jesta_g]

back on the subject of the moon..... that is what we're talking about right?;)

heres a very interesting interview/documentary on the moon and stuructures found on the moon by John Lear and Richard Hoagland. im really a fan of hoaglands work. very very interesting :) -

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.



........the moon has engines??!!??!!


I love Hoaglands work :)

[endlessvista]

Hogland has some wild imagination. However I like the guy. Same reason I liked Von Daniken. I do not care if they are right or wrong, but like artists they expand the vista of humanity into wider and more magical boundaries and are in fact fullfilling the role that organised religion robs us of in childhood. Von Daniken tore the ass out of the British Victorian Values system of mainstream Egyptology to the point now that where the mainstream tomb raiders are the ones trying to defend their cosy consensus.

[jesta_g]

. I do not care if they are right or wrong, but like artists they expand the vista of humanity into wider and more magical boundaries and are in fact fullfilling the role that organised religion robs us of in childhood. .

great way of putting it. be it right or wrong it is s healthy for our imagination. considerin thats slowly becoming one f the only freedoms we have nowadays.

im totly going introduce the ideas of daniken and hoagland etc to my child.
thatll give the teacher sme grief ...... "question everything little one" :)

[thematrix]

I don't buy all this "moon landings fakery" shite for a minute.

I *do* believe that the story we are told about apollo - the one thats made it into the history books is fake - but not in the way that most people seem to think it is.

I think we went to the moon - on Apollo - as advertised - very likely with "help" from outside. Once they got to the moon they found all kinds of stuff that was clearly "not natural" and THAT it what is being covered up.

Clavius scientifically demolishes most of the claims about light sources, the van allen radiation belts and all the rest of it.

Also re the Van allen belts. James Van Allen the guy that discovered them has no problem with thin skinned man made space craft travelling through them..

Also they are toroidal (donut shaped) if they were THAT deadly you could plot a course to avoid them altogether and still get out into space.

I think there is a "secret space program" and we have been coming and going to the moon and back for a while on the quiet. Photos published by John Lear are very interesting. If you haven't already read a recent Hoagland Article "Von Brauns 50 Year secret (http://www.enterprisemission.com/Von_Braun.htm)" I'd recommend it.

[hagbard_celine]

Yes it is amazing really. But apart of me thinks it is too dangerous for people to go into space and a lot of this is rooted in the Star Trek mentality that we somehow have to do it. Because of Hollywood mindset rather than a scientific one.

We have got back amazing results with unmanned probes. I prefer that to some astronaut sticking a flag and nationalising a planet. Apart from the sheer egoism of the Apollo mission, what was the scientific gain? Playing golf on the moon?

Honestly when you see the data and images unmanned probes such as Cassini and Voyager have given us do you really need to some some American arsehole going "kowabunga dude!" on the surface of Mars. I don't.

Look at this proto of the Earth on the rings of Saturn. Would putting humans up there make it any more beautiful or magical.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/Images/saturn_cas.jpg

No, space has an inhearent beauty.:)

The problem with the sci-fi of the 60's is that it was based on the overly-optimistic image of space travel that people had at the time. This is because of the goals and ambitions of the space agencies which were enjoying so much progress that it went to their heads a bit! Not least because some of it was a charade!:D It's understandable in a way because they launched Sputnik in 1957 and then within four years had the first intperplanetary probe, the first man in space, the first probe to the moon, the first landing on Venus. If you extrapolate that progress into the future you have us conquering the solar system by 2000 and building a starship soon afterwards. Hence the Halcyon predictions by writers like Clarke.

Then the party ended and we all went home to walk up to the hangover:(:o. We realized that space travel was more expensive, difficult and dangerous than we thought. Maybe we subconsciously realized about the fake missions like Apollo even if we consciously thought they were real. And here we are!:p

We will get into space one day, for real! But we have to do it honestly and openly.:cool:

[hagbard_celine]

back on the subject of the moon..... that is what we're talking about right?;)

heres a very interesting interview/documentary on the moon and stuructures found on the moon by John Lear and Richard Hoagland. im really a fan of hoaglands work. very very interesting :) -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ASTvjNBaAw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c6MVNvCy5g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au3iygbh-rc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6HEMvD6KU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlD0djxwNSQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUOhn6PmeIc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKxgQsG8bKQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc-kB_PahsM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G2-PJO0-Is&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxW--LUieF0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzNsQp0H948&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr8l6HcIuW4&feature=related



........the moon has engines??!!??!!


I love Hoaglands work :)

I've heard this before and I really recomend it.:cool:

[stelios]

Do you know there are many reasons why there could not have been a manned moon landing.
Firstly the furthest any manned mission has ever gone is 275 miles. Into Earth orbit. The astronaughts reported physical discomfort yet they were not even near the radiation belts.
But lets suppose NASA did really want to send a manned flight through the radiation belts. Dont you think they would have sent a dog or a chimpanzee first?
Maybe even sending the animal say 1000 miles out and them bringing it back for testing.
If successful these animal tests would have been followed by human tests.
And again if successful it may have been decided to go further.

One very obvious barrier to sending a manned mission to the moon is the distance 250,000 miles there.
Thrusting against the earth's gravity.
The amount of fuel needed is a hell of a lot more than what the Saturn V was carrying.
And lets suppose you could make a craft big enough to carry the required amount of fuel - it would be as big as the Ark Royal - how would this craft actually take off and leave the ground?
What about the return trip?
NASA claims they used hydrogen fuel cells to power the return trip.
So where are these fuel cells now and how come 50 years later they are not being used to power flights or anything else.

The biggest question is what was the point?
Why send people all that way just to walk around, drive a sand buggy and take a handful of suspect photos and a few minutes of very poor quality cine film footage.
Why bother?
It cost alot of US taxpayers money $220 Billion in todays money.
Pretty poor value for a few photos and a walk around.

It was simply the taxpayer being robbed, money going into Vietnam black ops and the pockets of a few corrupt corporations. Whistleblowers were all killed.

The entire moon landings is a sad episode for the world and proves the amount of brainwashing we have all been subjected to.
Maybe because i have only drunk RO filtered water for 6 years without floride, maybe because i stopped consuming aspartame and msg, maybe that means i see the entire apollo stuff as the biggest load of bullshit since the tooth fairy. The reason they keep feeding us the propaganda is because when we wake up to the reality that nobody has gone to the moon and how utterly ridiculous it it to even think that they could have, well then so much else of what we consider to be reality also turns out to be a pack of lies.

Today in London there are many Russians, Poles, Bulgarians, etc I have asked the ones i have met what are there views on the moon landings. They all laugh and explain it never happened. The Eastern block for their own reasons never brainwashed their publics in this way at least.

This stuff about aliens on the moon is a different tactic they employ. A conspiracy to cover up the real conspiracy.
Anyone who believes this can simply buy a telescope and point it at the moon and see for themselves.
There is nothing there no flags, no moon landers and no alien bases.

[hagbard_celine]

I don't buy all this "moon landings fakery" shite for a minute.

I *do* believe that the story we are told about apollo - the one thats made it into the history books is fake - but not in the way that most people seem to think it is.

I think we went to the moon - on Apollo - as advertised - very likely with "help" from outside. Once they got to the moon they found all kinds of stuff that was clearly "not natural" and THAT it what is being covered up.

Clavius scientifically demolishes most of the claims about light sources, the van allen radiation belts and all the rest of it.



I've studied Clavius and watched the Lunar Legacy movies and I don't agree. It does NOT demolish the hoax theory at all.

But actually I'm not like most "HB's" in that I don't deny that people have been to the moon. All I deny is that it was done at the time, and using the means and personel that history says it did.



Also re the Van allen belts. James Van Allen the guy that discovered them has no problem with thin skinned man made space craft travelling through them..

Not so. We go into why not more on this thread: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21926

Also they are toroidal (donut shaped) if they were THAT deadly you could plot a course to avoid them altogether and still get out into space.

I'm afraid not. You see travelling through space is not like driving a car on the road or even sailing a ship on the sea. There's no medium to use to change course and speed. Once you've started out on a course you're in the world of pure Newtonian mechanics. you fire your rockets and you'll continue to fly forever until you fire other rockets to slow yourself down. You need exactly the same amount of fuel to go back to the original speed you were at before you started out. Changing course means you need more fuel to overcome your interia and then head onto a different direction. To avoid the belts, the craft would have to fly way off the Earth-moon ecliptic and come back down into it again.


I think there is a "secret space program" and we have been coming and going to the moon and back for a while on the quiet. Photos published by John Lear are very interesting. If you haven't already read a recent Hoagland Article "Von Brauns 50 Year secret (http://www.enterprisemission.com/Von_Braun.htm)" I'd recommend it.

I'm certain that there's a secret space programme and that it has done a lot more than the official one!:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

Do i see the entire apollo stuff as the biggest load of bullshit since the tooth fairy. .


I agree with the rest of your post, but not this bit!:eek:

I can think of worse examples of bullshit!:D Not many, but a few!;):D

[bendoon]

I don't buy all this "moon landings fakery" shite for a minute.
.

Don't you also believe planes flew into the buildings on 911 ?

[stelios]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[sirlozo]

Well, considering it is on youtube...I do not buy it. Anything of that high magnitude will get deleted if it gets enough views.


edit: This is in regards to video in the post above mine

[brainstormer]

I'd like to see the video the opening poster is talking about, anyone got a link? Nothing has come up here.

To be quite honest, I think the moon landing claims are a load of mince, it was all about one-upmanship between the Americans and the Russians.

Check out this video where the spacemen couldn't even bring themselves to swear on the bible to back up their claims:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2265515730495966561

[who elsie]

I'd like to see the video the opening poster is talking about, anyone got a link? Nothing has come up here.

To be quite honest, I think the moon landing claims are a load of mince, it was all about one-upmanship between the Americans and the Russians.



Something's obviously gone wrong with the link there cos I can't see it either. I did view it before, though and the main gist of it is covered in this video, which is by far the best and most in-depth video about the alledged moon landings:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3622009579385499503&hl=en-GB

[stemcg1983]

something come to me last night with regards to the moon landings.
i have seen loads of evidence pointing to the whole thing being a hoax.

l was watching 'behold a pale horse' by william cooper, he showed numerous pictures from a old NASA published book showing the lunar surface.

he pointed out bases, pyramids, trenches, christian crosses, and other things, now this got me thinking.
could this whole moon landing scenario be a diversion from the real truth that we already have up and running bases on the moon

it fits with what garry mckineon said he found whilst hacking NASA's computers, about ET officers (or something along those lines)

[real6]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIw06kd--is

I'd like to see the video the opening poster is talking about, anyone got a link? Nothing has come up here.

To be quite honest, I think the moon landing claims are a load of mince, it was all about one-upmanship between the Americans and the Russians.

Check out this video where the spacemen couldn't even bring themselves to swear on the bible to back up their claims:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2265515730495966561


The one that Stelios has up was one of the ones i posted. But i just looked now and i think this board deleated my link. Kinda fucked up...

[thematrix]

I've studied Clavius and watched the Lunar Legacy movies and I don't agree. It does NOT demolish the hoax theory at all.

Care to point out any glaring problems with Clavius? I read the site a while back and it made a lot of sense to me, if you can expand my learning some - I am all ears :)


But actually I'm not like most "HB's" in that I don't deny that people have been to the moon. All I deny is that it was done at the time, and using the means and personel that history says it did.


I think it was done at the time, with the personnel, I don't buy the idea that 60's equipment could have got there though.


I'm afraid not. You see travelling through space is not like driving a car on the road or even sailing a ship on the sea. There's no medium to use to change course and speed. Once you've started out on a course you're in the world of pure Newtonian mechanics. you fire your rockets and you'll continue to fly forever until you fire other rockets to slow yourself down. You need exactly the same amount of fuel to go back to the original speed you were at before you started out. Changing course means you need more fuel to overcome your interia and then head onto a different direction. To avoid the belts, the craft would have to fly way off the Earth-moon ecliptic and come back down into it again.

I get all the Newtonian mechanics stuff :) but say we have a rocket that launches us clear of the earths gravity and sets us into orbit. Bearing inmind the "anti-gravity" effect that NASA discovered (see the Von Braun 50 year seecret article I linked to earlier) it doesn't take much fuel to adjust your earth orbit such that we can orbit the planet x tmes and then fling ourselves off on a course that avoids the VARB. This is where I think that some extra help/secret back engineered tech is used. The vehicle fires up another engine and burns to correct it's course to fly off to the moon - this engine might well be not a solid fuel rocket, but it doesn't take the HUGE amoount of fuel to change direction you are implying - I am sure you know that much of a rockets earth based fuel is burned simply to escape the gravity, and is why most space launch site are as near as possible to the equator.

Project paperclip points to the fact that NASA has greater technical ability than it lets on. Basic military strategy is not to reveal how strong you are - and NASA is a miltary agency.

Absent some advanced technology I don't think we could make it to the moon with 60's rockets at all.

I certainly agree with you there :)


I'm certain that there's a secret space programme and that it has done a lot more than the official one!:eek:

and there as well.

I have the feeling that more than a few secrets are going to be exposed in the next few months, if Davd Wilcocks right in that Russia got hold of a whole lot of Americas dirty secrets recently with the whole Georgia thing maybe more information will emerge on the whole moon story soon.

I hope so.

[stelios]

something come to me last night with regards to the moon landings.
i have seen loads of evidence pointing to the whole thing being a hoax.

l was watching 'behold a pale horse' by william cooper, he showed numerous pictures from a old NASA published book showing the lunar surface.

he pointed out bases, pyramids, trenches, christian crosses, and other things, now this got me thinking.
could this whole moon landing scenario be a diversion from the real truth that we already have up and running bases on the moon

it fits with what garry mckineon said he found whilst hacking NASA's computers, about ET officers (or something along those lines)

No it couldnt.
Firstly, there is no such thing as aliens. It is a hollywood made up myth.
It was invented over 100 years ago as laid out in the Protocols of Zion to invent an enemy that the human race can be made to unite against and accept one world government.
Before the common eney was the Commies, today its the Muslims, one day it will be the Aliens.
NASA also promoted this alien agenda because it encourages people to believe that it is possible to send manned craft to the moon and other planets.

The alien story is a complete hoax cooked up to enable NASA to keep fleecing the US taxpayer for billions.

There are no alien bases on the moon. In fact there is nothing whatsoever there. It is a dry and barren rock without any atmosphere.
If there was anything dont you think you would see it through a powerful telescope?
Or what about the many unmanned probes sent to the moon why havent any of them seen anything like the Japanese one recently.
Logically why would aliens build a base on the moon anyway. It is -200c to +200c so has huge extremes in temperature, is exposed to constant solar radiation and has no resources and no atmosphere.
Totally inhospitalble and the last place in the solar system to build a base.

No man has ever walked on the moon, this alien bullshit is simply another fairy tale promoted by our masters.

[brainstormer]

Something's obviously gone wrong with the link there cos I can't see it either. I did view it before, though and the main gist of it is covered in this video, which is by far the best and most in-depth video about the alledged moon landings:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3622009579385499503&hl=en-GB

That's interesting and I definitely think the moon landings were faked. However that documentary is so padded out with speculative conjecture, which omitted would not only have reduced the viewing time by a good proportion, but created more interest. No sceptic is going to sit through hours of something they are not convinced about.

What we need is a 30 minute concise and lucid 'fact after fact' style documentary, without all the guff, padding and conjecture, otherwise the only people who are going to watch it are people like us who are already convinced, not the ones who need convincing.

If any such documentary exists, please let me know, I would like to see it.

[stemcg1983]

No it couldnt.
Firstly, there is no such thing as aliens. It is a hollywood made up myth.
It was invented over 100 years ago as laid out in the Protocols of Zion to invent an enemy that the human race can be made to unite against and accept one world government.
Before the common eney was the Commies, today its the Muslims, one day it will be the Aliens.
NASA also promoted this alien agenda because it encourages people to believe that it is possible to send manned craft to the moon and other planets.

The alien story is a complete hoax cooked up to enable NASA to keep fleecing the US taxpayer for billions.

There are no alien bases on the moon. In fact there is nothing whatsoever there. It is a dry and barren rock without any atmosphere.
If there was anything dont you think you would see it through a powerful telescope?
Or what about the many unmanned probes sent to the moon why havent any of them seen anything like the Japanese one recently.
Logically why would aliens build a base on the moon anyway. It is -200c to +200c so has huge extremes in temperature, is exposed to constant solar radiation and has no resources and no atmosphere.
Totally inhospitalble and the last place in the solar system to build a base.

No man has ever walked on the moon, this alien bullshit is simply another fairy tale promoted by our masters.


thanks for the response Stelios, but for a kick off i never mentioned aliens once.

i was refering to man made bases on the moon not alien.

with regards to the ALIEN conspiracy you state as being a giant hoax to fool the US taxpayer for billions. i find that very hard to belive.

what do you call UFO sightings all overr the world, alien abductions etc,
is all this to fllece the US taxpayer, hardly eh.

how the hell do you know for FACT nothing is on the moon, do you have a base there?
sorry if i come across strong, but your response was laughable really

oh yeah nearly forgot, what the fucks up with the pic of the dickhead for your SIG!

[hagbard_celine]

Care to point out any glaring problems with Clavius? I read the site a while back and it made a lot of sense to me, if you can expand my learning some - I am all ears :)



Well I can, but if you take a browse through the "grey literature" of this forum you'll see I've gone through most of it already, sometimes more than once.


I think it was done at the time, with the personnel, I don't buy the idea that 60's equipment could have got there though.

That's obviously the definition of our contantion.



I get all the Newtonian mechanics stuff :) but say we have a rocket that launches us clear of the earths gravity and sets us into orbit. Bearing inmind the "anti-gravity" effect that NASA discovered (see the Von Braun 50 year seecret article I linked to earlier) it doesn't take much fuel to adjust your earth orbit such that we can orbit the planet x tmes and then fling ourselves off on a course that avoids the VARB. This is where I think that some extra help/secret back engineered tech is used. The vehicle fires up another engine and burns to correct it's course to fly off to the moon - this engine might well be not a solid fuel rocket, but it doesn't take the HUGE amoount of fuel to change direction you are implying - I am sure you know that much of a rockets earth based fuel is burned simply to escape the gravity, and is why most space launch site are as near as possible to the equator.

Project paperclip points to the fact that NASA has greater technical ability than it lets on. Basic military strategy is not to reveal how strong you are - and NASA is a miltary agency.

Absent some advanced technology I don't think we could make it to the moon with 60's rockets at all.

I certainly agree with you there

Well absolutely! I've always said that people from Earth could get to the moon with the secret govt technology, both alien and human. They didn't do it with stone age chemical rockets though, especially if there are electromatgnetic and gravity effects out there that we've not been told about, ones that are sometimes reported by insider witnesses and arenaphysicists. There's also the problem of how the "neighbours" might react to a gaggle of humans gatecrashing on their party out there!




and there as well.

I have the feeling that more than a few secrets are going to be exposed in the next few months, if Davd Wilcocks right in that Russia got hold of a whole lot of Americas dirty secrets recently with the whole Georgia thing maybe more information will emerge on the whole moon story soon.

I hope so

Me too, but I doubt it. This secrets will be held way over the heads of the post-Cold War scappers.

But incidentally there's a lot of very interesting UFOlogical material coming out of Russia from the old KGB archives.

[stelios]

thanks for the response Stelios, but for a kick off i never mentioned aliens once.

i was refering to man made bases on the moon not alien.

with regards to the ALIEN conspiracy you state as being a giant hoax to fool the US taxpayer for billions. i find that very hard to belive.

what do you call UFO sightings all overr the world, alien abductions etc,
is all this to fllece the US taxpayer, hardly eh.

how the hell do you know for FACT nothing is on the moon, do you have a base there?
sorry if i come across strong, but your response was laughable really

oh yeah nearly forgot, what the fucks up with the pic of the dickhead for your SIG!

http://a184.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/88/l_5e1cc3ce81a69b737ed5873c28c1fdef.gif
This is my avatar but for some reason on this forum it doesnt work properly.

There cannot be any man made bases on the moon because no man has ever been there.
Think about it logically. How can you lift a hunk of metal off the ground and fire it 250,000 miles into space AGAINST the earth's gravity.
Firing a probe is one this and the Japanese have done so just recently.
But carrying 3 passengers, oxygen, food, toilets, a car, a flag, etc.
And carry the lunar lander.
And carrying fuel for the return trip.

Now think to yourself how much fuel would that need.
Then ask yourself why only the same size of rocket that normally fires stuff like satelites into earth orbit was used.

In real world physics the craft would have needed so much fuel it would have needed to be the size of the Ark Royal. And therefore would have been too big to get off the ground.

So how the hell can they possibly have sent repeated flights backwards and forwards from the earth to the moon, undetected, unbudgeted and built bases on the moon.
Which you cannot deny has no atmosphere, no protection from the sun's radiation, extreme temperature variations.

How do you think that FIFTY years ago they were able to fly to the moon and back yet now it is impossible and since 1972 when the Russians developed long range radar has never been repeated?
If you believe in the moon landings mate i would suggest you also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy too. Because they are more plausible.


Japanese moon probe - KAGUYA (SELENE) high definition video - YouTube
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/en/index.htm
this video actually shows the moon close up taken last year by the japanese
guess what no alien bases
no man made bases
in fact no evidence of manned lunar missions
the website apparantly has photos of landing sites but see for yourself these images mysteriously are not available

[stelios]

MSNBC Debates Moon Landing Hoax (2002) - YouTube

Looks like people are waking up.

[abrilliantone]

I read this last year sometime.But it slipped my mind until recently. I would like to know have anyone heard of this before and if so could you elaborate on it please. Or just offer your thoughts on the matter. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/think004.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/)





January 1985

N.A.S.A. discovered the Venus Complex, which is identical to the one at Giza in Egypt: three pyraminds, a Sphinx-exactly the same.

The Mental Health Committee of the U.S. A twelve-person committeee consulted by NASA whenever it comes up with evidence indicating there is life on other planets. Gave permission in May 1985 to release this information about Venus to the public. This meant NASA was bound by law to report it. NASA broadcast the information on a single television station in Florida one time and that was it. Of course nobody would believe that. By putting this information out only once NASA fulfilled it's legal requirement to make the information public and was able to get away with supressing it after this initial revelation. Immediately after this incident NASA sent a vessel back to Venus and mapped over 90% of the surface in an attempt to see what else was there.

Bob Frissell
Nothing in this book is true
But it's exactly how things are


__________________

[endlessvista]

The alien story is a complete hoax cooked up to enable NASA to keep fleecing the US taxpayer for billions.

Most of this money is wasted on Trekkie wankfests of getting humans into space for no real scientific reason either. Just caters to the "boldy go" muppetery they have cultivated through decades of SCI-FI entertainment.

If one looks at the data and information which unmanned probes have given us and then compare that to sending weirdos with odd haircuts up in the shuttles etc it becomes apparent that human space travel serves no other purpose than propganda.

[dangermouse]

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=kFAZoVGxqY4

:D

[real6]

http://a184.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/88/l_5e1cc3ce81a69b737ed5873c28c1fdef.gif
This is my avatar but for some reason on this forum it doesnt work properly.

There cannot be any man made bases on the moon because no man has ever been there.
Think about it logically. How can you lift a hunk of metal off the ground and fire it 250,000 miles into space AGAINST the earth's gravity.
Firing a probe is one this and the Japanese have done so just recently.
But carrying 3 passengers, oxygen, food, toilets, a car, a flag, etc.
And carry the lunar lander.
And carrying fuel for the return trip.

Now think to yourself how much fuel would that need.
Then ask yourself why only the same size of rocket that normally fires stuff like satelites into earth orbit was used.

In real world physics the craft would have needed so much fuel it would have needed to be the size of the Ark Royal. And therefore would have been too big to get off the ground.

So how the hell can they possibly have sent repeated flights backwards and forwards from the earth to the moon, undetected, unbudgeted and built bases on the moon.
Which you cannot deny has no atmosphere, no protection from the sun's radiation, extreme temperature variations.

How do you think that FIFTY years ago they were able to fly to the moon and back yet now it is impossible and since 1972 when the Russians developed long range radar has never been repeated?
If you believe in the moon landings mate i would suggest you also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy too. Because they are more plausible.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW1mc42J76Q
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/en/index.htm
this video actually shows the moon close up taken last year by the japanese
guess what no alien bases
no man made bases
in fact no evidence of manned lunar missions
the website apparantly has photos of landing sites but see for yourself these images mysteriously are not available


Here are your "REAL" pics for the moon ;)

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/FYEO_Lunar_02.html

[hagbard_celine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SabtlXmCDdM

Looks like people are waking up.

They certainly are, although I'd use a different description to Phil Plait (I wrote to him once, but he never responded) The "dark growing mess" are the official lies.:cool: And people are beginning to question them more and more.

But this interview was pathetic. The reporter was very biased; he used the word "wacko" twice. They're so desperate to supress dissent that they don't even stop to consult a thesaurus!:D Of all the people they could have had on the programme to support the hoax theory they chose Bart Sibrel, a man whose ideas and methods are a great detriment to the movement exposing the lies of Apollo. In fact I think he may be controlled opposition!

[hagbard_celine]

I read this last year sometime.But it slipped my mind until recently. I would like to know have anyone heard of this before and if so could you elaborate on it please. Or just offer your thoughts on the matter. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/think004.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/)






__________________

On Venus!:eek: I knew there's one on Mars, but Venus too!?

Yes, if anyone knows more about that, or even saw the single TV spot, let us know!

[real6]

On Venus!:eek: I knew there's one on Mars, but Venus too!?

Yes, if anyone knows more about that, or even saw the single TV spot, let us know!


On mars or venus what? I didnt see anything in your post :(

[hagbard_celine]

On mars or venus what? I didnt see anything in your post :(


No, I was just asking of anyone else knows any more about it.

[stelios]

http://www.edgemediatv.com/watchonline004_ontheedge.html

Topical chat show, recorded live at the Edge Media TV studios. Theo Chalmers talks to Marcus Allen about theories that the Moon Landings were faked, and takes viewers comments and questions via text message.

[hagbard_celine]

http://www.edgemediatv.com/watchonline004_ontheedge.html

Topical chat show, recorded live at the Edge Media TV studios. Theo Chalmers talks to Marcus Allen about theories that the Moon Landings were faked, and takes viewers comments and questions via text message.

Thanks, mate.:) I know Marcus Allen and I've seen him live several times. I'll have a watch of that later.

[abrilliantone]

No, I was just asking of anyone else knows any more about it.

I found this on the web hagbard_celine more info on the pyramids on Venus. Here's the link.

Venus (http://www.geocities.com/athens/Olympus/6581/double_rainbow9.html)

[hagbard_celine]

I found this on the web hagbard_celine more info on the pyramids on Venus. Here's the link.

Venus (http://www.geocities.com/athens/Olympus/6581/double_rainbow9.html)

Thanks, a brilliantone. I'll have a read. Looks interesting, the kind of thing that Hoagland might like.

[beldazar]

ok.....monuments on venus now? Ah well, why not? What are the possibilities that all the planets have been habitated (is that the right word?) at some time or another, now I think of it, it seems pretty silly that only mars and earth have had populations and of course, people will say that other planets cannot be lived on because of the poisonous atmosphere etc....but for completely different types of life-forms then why not? :confused:

[hagbard_celine]

I've started a new thread on the subject:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=572940#post572940

[real6]

I've started a new thread on the subject:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=572940#post572940

I'll def check it out

[stelios]

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/34/m_08c20455009e44d5a0c5f0e2b0a097c9.jpghttp://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/12/m_1938abe080194ae38092763a3e2bc7d4.jpg

look at these moon photos, isnt the backdrop the same?

[jagabags]

What more is there to conclude?

[pri01]

What do u people think about this video???

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1376152848542315216

sorry, but I can't seem to access your video. Would you mind posting it again please:)

[pri01]

sorry, but I can't seem to access your video. Would you mind posting it again please:)


It's ok, when I posted the last message it revealed the video in the copy.:)

[stealth]

Moon landings are definitely fake this proves it beyond doubt.;) http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd8_1228345462&p=1

[shabun]

Moon landings are definitely fake this proves it beyond doubt.;) http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd8_1228345462&p=1


Nonsense. That is a spoof video. The moon landings happened and the stuff being posted on this thread is easily debunked if you just bothered to investigate. But why let the truth get in the way of your fantasies

www.clavius.org

[shabun]

sorry, but I can't seem to access your video. Would you mind posting it again please:)

That video is completely genuine. If they were in low earth orbit it would not be possible to see the whole earth out the window as they would be too close. They are clearly a long way away from earth. The reason it was never released is because they were arsing around with the camera and lights and paper to try and get a good shot of the earth out the window. Debunked.

[stealth]

Nonsense. That is a spoof video. The moon landings happened and the stuff being posted on this thread is easily debunked if you just bothered to investigate. But why let the truth get in the way of your fantasies

www.clavius.org

No shit sherlock, it is indeed a spoof vid,it is you that needs to do the research on the TRUTH of the moon landings and wake up from your fantasy dream like state.:p There is plenty of proof they did not go to the moon on this site and many others,you are in a minority here.:rolleyes:

[shabun]

No shit sherlock, it is indeed a spoof vid,it is you that needs to do the research on the TRUTH of the moon landings and wake up from your fantasy dream like state.:p There is plenty of proof they did not go to the moon on this site and many others,you are in a minority here.:rolleyes:

I certainly am in a minority here. But that is because many here are chronic conspiracy theorists who can't accept when their conspiracies are debunked.

www.clavius.org

[pri01]

That video is completely genuine. If they were in low earth orbit it would not be possible to see the whole earth out the window as they would be too close. They are clearly a long way away from earth. The reason it was never released is because they were arsing around with the camera and lights and paper to try and get a good shot of the earth out the window. Debunked.

Thank you. I would like to ask, how many hours were filmed whilst viewing the earth from said space rocket window? The reason being, can anyone remember seeing the earth spinning as we are told it does? Presumably, each frame will show a minute movement and the location of fixed points will be shown to have moved?

[shabun]

Thank you. I would like to ask, how many hours were filmed whilst viewing the earth from said space rocket window? The reason being, can anyone remember seeing it spinning as we are told it does? Presumably, each frame will show a minute movement and the location of fixed points will be shown to have moved?

I have no idea how many hours it took them to take the shots, but you are correct that every hour, the earth will rotate 15 degrees but it would be very hard to notice that from the distance they were away, with the cloud cover etc. I don't know if it has been attempted to measure the earth rotation in the video, maybe someone has done that. In any case it can't be from low earth orbit (as stated by the narrator) as it would be impossible to get the whole earth into the shot from the back of the capsule, or the front for that matter.

[stelios]

I certainly am in a minority here.
You are in a minority in the world in general. Most sane people now realise the moon landings were faked.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrYndBurq8

ps: you taked about the Earth footage making it look like they were further than they are

[stealth]

More moon landing fakery here.:D http://www.geocities.com/apolloreality2/

[jonnyinfinite]

they filmed the 'earth in space' by shooting the planet below from one end of the capsule: pretty low-tech but effective..

[graflok]

many here are chronic conspiracy theorists


I'm not a chronic conspiracy theorist. I'm an acute conspiracy theorist. :)

[tien an]

That NASA, the Soviet Union and other countries have been 'into space' and orbited the planet...I do not dispute. (Good luck to them - wonderful stuff).

...but to say they walked on the moon and have those so very obviously doctored images for evidence...? Tsk tsk....

[dangermouse]

I'm not a chronic conspiracy theorist. I'm an acute conspiracy theorist. :)

tbh i came into all this stuff looking up ufo stuff which happened to linked to 911 david ickes and alex jones work and lots of others on google video and youtube and other sources ;)

[le chuck]

I seen a video on this subject on this great forum some time back.

This is a top class forum were the other member's feel like family and there is so many on here :eek:



I will do a web cam video on what i know and have researched and post it here tommorow.

[tyler]

Don't bother mate. Stick around and do a little reading. You have so much to learn.
You have been here ten minutes and you presume to teach everybody else here what you know?
Get to the back of the class and wait until you are called upon!

[stelios]

http://apolloreality.bravehost.com/index_files/098027c0.jpg

http://apolloreality.bravehost.com/index_files/08df88b0.jpg

http://apolloreality.bravehost.com/

[jesuitsdidit]

Don't bother mate. Stick around and do a little reading. You have so much to learn.
You have been here ten minutes and you presume to teach everybody else here what you know?
Get to the back of the class and wait until you are called upon!

is that a joke or r u being offensive?

[shabun]

they filmed the 'earth in space' by shooting the planet below from one end of the capsule: pretty low-tech but effective..


Absolute nonsense. In low earth orbit, it is impossible to get the whole earth into the shot. The earth is way too close. And if you take the shot from the back of the capsule it is even worse - you would only see an extremely small part of the earth out the window, not the whole thing.

Your "proof" is laughable, but not surprising given your need to see conspiracies in everything.

[stelios]

Absolute nonsense. In low earth orbit, it is impossible to get the whole earth into the shot. The earth is way too close. And if you take the shot from the back of the capsule it is even worse - you would only see an extremely small part of the earth out the window, not the whole thing.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrYndBurq8

Still blatantly ignoring the evidence. Transparencies were used.

[shabun]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrYndBurq8

Still blatantly ignoring the evidence. Transparencies were used.

lol Stelios. Transparancies stuck on the capsule window!!!!! Thats your best yet!

[graflok]

Watch the toy space ship as it goes zoom, zoom, zoom ...

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[musti]

Watch the toy space ship as it goes zoom, zoom, zoom ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk5zQgNgV8Q

"We're sorry, this video is no longer available."

here is a (hopefully) working one:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[stelios]

lol Stelios. Transparancies stuck on the capsule window!!!!! Thats your best yet!
Are you finally starting to wake up or will you be the last man left standing with your fingers in your ears singing LA LA LA LA LA?

[shabun]

Are you finally starting to wake up or will you be the last man left standing with your fingers in your ears singing LA LA LA LA LA?


rofl Stelios. Transparancies on the capsule window! Keep on dreaming mate!

[shabun]

"We're sorry, this video is no longer available."

here is a (hopefully) working one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk5zQgNgV8Q


And why do you say it is "toy"?

[stelios]

"We're sorry, this video is no longer available."

here is a (hopefully) working one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk5zQgNgV8Q

Hello Musti,
yes bruv the video is working.
Anyone who watches it and still believes the moon landings are genuine needs their head examined.
It is a toy almost like a firework.
Even Gerry Anderson made better FX than this.
Notice how the camera follows the object up up and away. So who was taking the film?
Laughable. But our friend from Fife is still unconvinced.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/rjbroer/Fratello/aldrin.jpg

Buzzed posing for this photo.
Look behind him at the window. He is clearly in low earth orbit.

[shabun]

Hello Musti,
yes bruv the video is working.
Anyone who watches it and still believes the moon landings are genuine needs their head examined.
It is a toy almost like a firework.
Even Gerry Anderson made better FX than this.
Notice how the camera follows the object up up and away. So who was taking the film?
Laughable. But our friend from Fife is still unconvinced.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/rjbroer/Fratello/aldrin.jpg

Buzzed posing for this photo.
Look behind him at the window. He is clearly in low earth orbit.

It was already explained to you in the Apollo post how the tracking of the camera was done. Interesting that your memory has failed again.

The photo of buzz may well have been in low earth orbit - as it was explained also to you they otbitted earth for a while before they fired the booster to travel to the moon.

So both debunked.

Next.

[stelios]

It was quite interesting watching the George Galloway show on Press TV - Sky channel 515 - he mentioned that the 21st December was the anniversary of an Apollo mission which eventually paved the way for them to go to the moon. Then he sarcastically stated "if it really happened". and then moved on.
Very encouraging to see that even George Galloway the most ardent pro establishment advocate has finally seen sense and realised that the official American Apollo story is nothing more than a fairy tale.

You can see this brief comment here about halfway in
http://www.presstv.com/Programs/player/Default.aspx?id=79204

[hagbard_celine]

It was quite interesting watching the George Galloway show on Press TV - Sky channel 515 - he mentioned that the 21st December was the anniversary of an Apollo mission which eventually paved the way for them to go to the moon. Then he sarcastically stated "if it really happened". and then moved on.
Very encouraging to see that even George Galloway the most ardent pro establishment advocate has finally seen sense and realised that the official American Apollo story is nothing more than a fairy tale.

You can see this brief comment here about halfway in
http://www.presstv.com/Programs/player/Default.aspx?id=79204

I imagine he was being sarcastic. I admire a lot of what George Galloway stands for, but there are some places he will not go. He's been elected on a far-left agenda and affiliates himself with those kind of people, and he shares their aversion to "conspiracy nonsense":rolleyes:.

[real6]

I imagine he was being sarcastic. I admire a lot of what George Galloway stands for, but there are some places he will not go. He's been elected on a far-left agenda and affiliates himself with those kind of people, and he shares their aversion to "conspiracy nonsense":rolleyes:.

I wonder why?

[asha loka]

In real world physics the craft would have needed so much fuel it would have needed to be the size of the Ark Royal. And therefore would have been too big to get off the ground.

You can do the maths to prove this, right?

[binkbonk]

What do u people think about this video???

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1376152848542315216Where's the video??? Ooh there it is. couldn't see it until I quoted the op.

[misterethoughts]

I def think it was faked!

[scuzz]

as i said about alex jones, if David was under mindcontrol and is disinfo then hes doing a bloody shite job at stopping us from finding the truth. i mean even if he is bullshitting then all those that have heard his piece and gone and done there own homework (i should like to hope and think so ). take this forum as a huge example,.................. IF MR ICKE REALLY WANTED TO SPREAD DISINFO HE WOULD NOT LET THIS FORUM EVEN EXIST!
id say that the people on this forum as a collective have as close to the answer as the truth that we can ge right now.


Actually he would - I mean read this thread - theres about 20 different theories, plus total derails. Theres no better place IMO. Any correct theories will be lost in the noise, or actively shouted down because they are too sensible.

[ennui]

The Apollo 16 Lunar Module on Moon's surface, apparently. Look at the state of that thing! Looks like it was made by my 5 year old nephew.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3497/047208c0.jpg

[hagbard_celine]

The Apollo 16 Lunar Module on Moon's surface, apparently. Look at the state of that thing! Looks like it was made by my 5 year old nephew.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3497/047208c0.jpg

I learned how to do it from Blue Peter. Pass the pipe-cleaners. "Here's one I made earlier"!:D

[hagbard_celine]

From David's latest headlines: http://newsfromrussia.com/science/mysteries/25-05-2009/107620-lunar_mission-0

This threw me a bit because of the name of the craft. "Kaguya" is a character from a Japanese sci-fi story:confused:. It's actually the nickname for the Selene lunar mission. I predicted many years ago that they would doctor the photoes of the Apollo landing sites with fake imagery, either superimposed on the Selene photoes themselves or through the actual construction of fake Apollo debris on the lunar surface itself. If this story is true then it seems they didn't bother. Why? Don't they want to keep their secret? :confused:

[bulletproofheart]

The Apollo 16 Lunar Module on Moon's surface, apparently. Look at the state of that thing! Looks like it was made by my 5 year old nephew.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3497/047208c0.jpg

Look at the panels at the side!Wind from a hairdryer would blow them off.

[hagbard_celine]

Look at the panels at the side!Wind from a hairdryer would blow them off.

They look like badly-fitted bathroom tiles!:D Not the kind of material to protect astronauts on the surface on an airless heavenly body.

[dangermouse]

I learned how to do it from Blue Peter. Pass the pipe-cleaners. "Here's one I made earlier"!:D

and the legs r made of loo roll :D

[meksar]

Masonic Moon - By The Elders Of Zion. - YouTube

[wez004]

It’s time to wake up and get real about things. Every institution in human history lies to YOU in order to manipulate you for their own agenda what makes you think that NASA is any different.

I was inspired when I was a child by the moon landings Neil Armstrong was my hero I had the Buzz Aldrin poster with the Neil Armstrong reflection in the visor on my wall.

I’ve fought against the moon landing hoax on and off for over 10 years now. Just as the evidence tips me to believe it was faked a part of me say’s no it can’t be. Humanities most outstanding achievement taking men to another celestial body it is “A giant leap for man kind”. It is the entry point into the exploration of our solar system it redefines the nature of what a human being is and makes all things possible through our mastery of our environment , it is part of our evolution.

But the more I look at the evidence the more I can see how utterly ridicules the whole thing is. The games up NASA. Their show was written for an unsophisticated 1960’s audience it’s not as easy to fool a 21st century techno savvy audience.

NASA you’ve been rumbled.

[drc_]

What do u people think about this video???

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1376152848542315216

Is it me or is the video gone?

I don't see it in your post..

[drc_]

Is it me or is the video gone?

I don't see it in your post..

ROFL! Now I see it :p

[bulletproofheart]

It’s time to wake up and get real about things. Every institution in human history lies to YOU in order to manipulate you for their own agenda what makes you think that NASA is any different.

I was inspired when I was a child by the moon landings Neil Armstrong was my hero I had the Buzz Aldrin poster with the Neil Armstrong reflection in the visor on my wall.

I’ve fought against the moon landing hoax on and off for over 10 years now. Just as the evidence tips me to believe it was faked a part of me say’s no it can’t be. Humanities most outstanding achievement taking men to another celestial body it is “A giant leap for man kind”. It is the entry point into the exploration of our solar system it redefines the nature of what a human being is and makes all things possible through our mastery of our environment , it is part of our evolution.

But the more I look at the evidence the more I can see how utterly ridicules the whole thing is. The games up NASA. Their show was written for an unsophisticated 1960’s audience it’s not as easy to fool a 21st century techno savvy audience.

NASA you’ve been rumbled.


Very well put.When you say "Their show was written for an unsophisticated 1960’s audience" that sums the whole thing up for me.This was at a time when people believed anything that was fed to them.

[anthony65]

Isn't it possible that they secretly sent another rocket up there to clear away all the left over equipment to avoid leaving the place as a tip... :)

[curtaincat]

Isn't it possible that they secretly sent another rocket up there to clear away all the left over equipment to avoid leaving the place as a tip... :)



What about the cow?

and the whale from "South Park" ?

that all means something. they dont just makes these jokes for fun, u know.

[bulletproofheart]

The 130,000 Mile Deception. Apollo 11. July 18th, 1969. Neil Armstrong, having heard CapCom report Columbia's distance from the Earth at 130,000 miles out - begins the unofficial television transmission [to be edited and partially played later] by echoing the same distance of 130,000 miles. In view, out the Commander's Capsule window is a small ball of blue. We are meant to believe that the blue ball is Earth. It is not. This evidence is our top reason. There can be no doubt. The Apollo 11 Westinghouse camera was not zooming through deep space to see a distant Earth and zooming back out again through deep space. When truly understood, when one understands that the Earth could not have remained in view or suddenly appeared as large as when they zoomed into it - this proves the hoax. This is the 'smoking gun' of Apollo, and the top reason to not believe the official story. Raw footage of this is available on the DVD Apollo 11 Monkey Business with detailed explanations in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, and confrontations about it with 9 of the Apollo astronauts in Astronauts Gone Wild. Behind Michael Collins, hanging on Window Number 1 [the commander's CM window] is a transparency - used when they brought down the lights and adjusted the camera exposure. The transparency was a picture of the planet Earth.


A funny thing happened on the way to the moon proves it for me.
http://www.dark-truth.org/dec142006-1-moon-scam-apollo-hoax-nasa-lies.html

[smoke n mirrors]

Great so we finally put that one to bed...whats next? :)

[scuzz]

Just a thought. Given the leap in technology between the landings and the start of the paranoia, would it not have been possible to create your own fakes to debunk the fact that people did land on the moon?

[lizzy]

Very well put.When you say "Their show was written for an unsophisticated 1960’s audience" that sums the whole thing up for me.This was at a time when people believed anything that was fed to them.

Indeed, but I think this unfortunately still true today. .......most peeps I know still think 9/11 was done by Bush Sr's partners' son.....I knew there was something wrong when I saw them fall symetrically......but man's ego will not allow him to believe he has been lied to.

...... along the lines of Adam Weishaupt:
"Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?"

[nectars]

What do u people think about this video???

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1376152848542315216

What vid? dont see it...

Edit: And yet when I quoted you it showed up in the "quoted" section. Interesting.

[indigenous]

What vid? dont see it...

Edit: And yet when I quoted you it showed up in the "quoted" section. Interesting.

This seems to happen a lot to me too.

[pduffy4]

I have still to look at all available evidence but on this page (http://www.doomdaily.com/2009/japanese-orbiter-finds-no-evidence-apollo-missions-landed-on-moon/) there is one picture and a video. I don't think the image is showing the moon close enough to enable us to see the lander. The big crater could be a mile across or more.

Interesting though, will put the cat amongst the pigeons for sure lol!

If it is the case that it can be proven that NASA did not got the the Moon that would mean MASSIVE law suits from American tax payers!!!!!

I have the feeling that this article, which has no extreme close up images, is a fake.

NASA (Nazi's) can't be that dumb that they did not think someone else would eventually get to the Moon.

So we need real close ups of the area where the lander is supposed to have landed not the pics we have seen.

[howie]

I re-watched the 1994 Channel 4 anniversary documentary yesterday, there's nothing new in the old video clips they showed except for a longer version of their miserable faces in the quarantine truck, the thing that stood out was Buzz Aldrins comment about the whole thing being in peoples heads, he said what happened did not happen up there on the moon but down here on earth in the minds of the masses, his wife said when she watched it live on TV she thought this is like a disney movie with cartoon astronauts & started laughing. Armstrong & Collins both refused to take part in the programme.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4799/buzzaldrin.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9417/neilarmstrong2.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5062/neilandbuzz.jpg

[deany]

those faces tell a story on their own don't they...

[bulletproofheart]

They look a mixture of upset/Angry.Maybe they were told there loved ones would be unsafe if they stepped out of line,and told the truth.

[deany]

They look a mixture of upset/Angry.Maybe they were told there loved ones would be unsafe if they stepped out of line,and told the truth.

yep I can see why you think that. Could well be spot on

[yozhik]

Certainly not the faces of heroes who have just made history.

[graflok]

Here's a portion of the Apollo 11 press conference right after the mission. Do
these guys look like they just went to the moon?

Clip of Apollo 11 press conference - YouTube

If link above does not appear, try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro

[bulletproofheart]

Here's a portion of the Apollo 11 press conference right after the mission. Do
these guys look like they just went to the moon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro

If link above does not appear, try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro

Very weird like I said I'm sure they were warned to keep their mouths shut or face a nasty outcome.My mother told me at the time many believed it just wasnt true.

[scuzz]

Or possibly, they were pissed off cos they were back home (nearly) but stuck in quarantine for some time till they could crack a beer, and get nuts deep in their loved ones. Plus which, they'd been cooped up together for ages, imagine relationships were strained :)

[the nine]

Or possibly, they were pissed off cos they were back home (nearly) but stuck in quarantine for some time till they could crack a beer, and get nuts deep in their loved ones. Plus which, they'd been cooped up together for ages, imagine relationships were strained :)

hmmm

[yozhik]

Or possibly, they were pissed off cos they were back home (nearly) but stuck in quarantine for some time till they could crack a beer, and get nuts deep in their loved ones. Plus which, they'd been cooped up together for ages, imagine relationships were strained :)

That's one way to keep the story alive ...

[deany]

Or possibly, they were pissed off cos they were back home (nearly) but stuck in quarantine for some time till they could crack a beer, and get nuts deep in their loved ones. Plus which, they'd been cooped up together for ages, imagine relationships were strained :)

quarantined so their stories could be worked on and threats could be made if they open their gobs I imagine........ is this type of quarantine still normal after space flights today? or was it only applied for "the big one"?

[ronisron]

Strangely enough, it was a show on FOX that convinced me. It aired in 2001, and it was exceptional. Everyone debunking the landing came across as very believable, and the stooge they sent to give NASA's part of the story looked very uncomfortable. They talked about the Van Allen Belt, how there is light coming from 2 directions in some shots, how there is no wind on the moon but the flag was waving in the breeze... as I said, exceptional.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

It's always been open to debate, and they even made a film loosely based on a faked Mars mission called "Capricorn One".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-364883774856478814

That's a link for the entire movie on Google, about 2 hrs long. If the link doesn't work, search Google video.

[cluas]

That's a link for the entire movie on Google, about 2 hrs long. If the link doesn't work, search Google video.

yes, worth a watch ;)

But I would say it was loosely based on the 'moon' landings

[ronisron]

yes, worth a watch ;)

But I would say it was loosely based on the 'moon' landings

:o That's what I was trying to say....I'll rephrase;

"Capricorn One is a thriller about a faked, manned mission to Mars, loosely based on the possibility that the NASA Apollo moon landing was faked."

And it is pretty good. OJ Simpson is in it, but he doesn't kill anyone. It's before all of that.

[hagbard_celine]

and the legs r made of loo roll :D

Yeah, like left over Christmas crackers!:D

[hagbard_celine]

It’s time to wake up and get real about things. Every institution in human history lies to YOU in order to manipulate you for their own agenda what makes you think that NASA is any different.

I was inspired when I was a child by the moon landings Neil Armstrong was my hero I had the Buzz Aldrin poster with the Neil Armstrong reflection in the visor on my wall.

I’ve fought against the moon landing hoax on and off for over 10 years now. Just as the evidence tips me to believe it was faked a part of me say’s no it can’t be. Humanities most outstanding achievement taking men to another celestial body it is “A giant leap for man kind”. It is the entry point into the exploration of our solar system it redefines the nature of what a human being is and makes all things possible through our mastery of our environment , it is part of our evolution.

But the more I look at the evidence the more I can see how utterly ridicules the whole thing is. The games up NASA. Their show was written for an unsophisticated 1960’s audience it’s not as easy to fool a 21st century techno savvy audience.

NASA you’ve been rumbled.

And they know it!:D:cool:

But you can still be proud of humanity's achivements, because we have gone to the moon:cool::). Indeed the secret space programme has achieved successes way beyond anything publically admitted. Just because Apollo is fake doesn't mean nobody has been to the moon.

In fact one of the motives for faking Apollo was to distract us from enquiring into their possession of antigravity propulsion and other esoteric technologies that were both invented by humans and back engineered from salvaged alien craft wrecks.

[hagbard_celine]

Isn't it possible that they secretly sent another rocket up there to clear away all the left over equipment to avoid leaving the place as a tip... :)

I always assumed the opposite: that they wenty up there to plant fake equipment to prevent future space explorers from smelling a rat.

[hagbard_celine]

Interesting though, will put the cat amongst the pigeons for sure lol!

If it is the case that it can be proven that NASA did not got the the Moon that would mean MASSIVE law suits from American tax payers!!!!!



I think this would be the least of their worries!:eek:;)

I have the feeling that this article, which has no extreme close up images, is a fake.

NASA (Nazi's) can't be that dumb that they did not think someone else would eventually get to the Moon.

I'm certain they've considered that eventuality. They had no fear immediately; the Russians were complict, the public enraptured and nobody had the technology to prove trhem wrong. But not now! You can bet they've taken steps to elaborate the fake with docitored eveicece.... But if the Selene pictures don't show anything, what does that mean?

So we need real close ups of the area where the lander is supposed to have landed not the pics we have seen.

They've produced a rough map of Pluto for feck's sake!:eek: Come on NASA, don't give us that bull about not being able to see the Apollo bases:rolleyes:! Give us some pics. Of course the pics will be doctored, but at least they'll be insulting our intelligence a bit less!:D

[hagbard_celine]

They look a mixture of upset/Angry.Maybe they were told there loved ones would be unsafe if they stepped out of line,and told the truth.

Have you seen Capricorn One? It was an allegory I'm sure!:cool:

Addendum: I see other members have already raised the subject.

[howie]

Or possibly, they were pissed off cos they were back home (nearly) but stuck in quarantine for some time till they could crack a beer

Beer tonight, Jack?

Moon Landing Hoax : Apollo 14 See's a Budweiser Truck- Apollo 17 - Video

[lyricusmagna]

What do u people think about this video???

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1376152848542315216

We have been only 2 times on the moon.

1- in the late 40s, allegedly things didn't went well, 3 people died.

2- after the official "first moon landing", which was staged. Why? People learned from the first time back in the late 40s that we are NOT welcomed on the moon. They had to prove to people that they can do it, besides they promised that as well, so they staged the first one, and the second one, well they made a deal and got a little help from "aside".

Now all the focus is on Mars. Billions and billions of dollars that were going to be used to build bases on the moon went down the drain. All that equipment as well. Now NASA lies that "we have better chances of colonizing Mars then the Moon". Its because we gained a permission to colonize and terraform Mars since the 60s, only the real reason why we focus NOW on Mars is because the Moon option is out of the question. Whoever resides on the moon, apparently doesn't like humans to find out more about what lies inside the Moon. Plus all those structures on the surface ... Interesting enough, a lot of attention spawned Demos and Phobos on Mars because they strangely went missing for an almost whole day, just to reappear again the next. We have such a little knowledge about out Solar System all due to NASA selling lies about whats going on in space, i hope we do get to the bottom of all of this eventually ...

[hagbard_celine]

Beer tonight, Jack?

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2141121/moon_landing_hoax_apollo_14_sees_a_budweiser_truck _apollo_17/

"Cut!

Could the caterers please clear the set while we're shooting please!"

:D:D

[steevo]

You can watch the astronauts in the movie as they are setting foot on the moon from 1hr2 mins, and the landscape is similar to the "actual" moon when the actual "moon landings" happened in the 60's.

After about 1hr8mins you can watch the way they walk and it has similarities to the "actual" event. When he throws the other astronaut into the air and he lands, he lands in a similar way to the "real" astronauts on the moon - Both on strings ?

Destination Moon - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsisGSBlQqo

[hagbard_celine]

You can watch the astronauts in the movie as they are setting foot on the moon from 1hr2 mins, and the landscape is similar to the "actual" moon when the actual "moon landings" happened in the 60's.

After about 1hr8mins you can watch the way they walk and it has similarities to the "actual" event. When he throws the other astronaut into the air and he lands, he lands in a similar way to the "real" astronauts on the moon - Both on strings ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsisGSBlQqo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsisGSBlQqo

Damn good find, Steevo!:cool::) What an interesting movie (although so far I've only watched the clips you recomended.) Destination Moon (oddly enough one of Herge's Tintin books, published three years later, had that title and featured a spacecraft of similar design:confused:http://www.tintinologist.org/guides/books/16destination.html) was made in 1950, nearly two decades before Apollo, but you can see that it may well have inspired them. The "for all Mankind" bit is in the script; one of the astronauts utters it as soon as he steps onto the lunar surface.

Look at the first pan shot of the lunar vista: It's so similar to the Taurus Littrow valley landscape where Apollo 17 supposedly landed.:eek::cool: Yes, I see what you mean about the astronaut's movements, in fact there's something oddly familiar about the entire film!

[real6]

Can you put this back into today's news!!!

[rynath]

Speaking of moon movies, here comes another:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/

Sam Bell (Sam Rockwell) is nearing the end of his contract with Lunar. He has been a faithful employee for three long years. His home has been Selene, a moon base where he has spent his days alone, mining Helium-3. The precious gas holds the key to reversing the Earth's energy crisis.

Isolated, determined, and steadfast, Sam has followed the rulebook obediently, and his time on the moon has been enlightening, but uneventful. The solitude has given him time to reflect on the mistakes of his past and to work on his raging temper. He does his job mechanically and spends most of his available time dreaming of his imminent return to Earth, to his wife, young daughter and an early retirement.

But two weeks shy of his departure from Selene, Sam starts seeing things, hearing things, and feeling strange. And, when a routine extraction goes horribly wrong, he discovers that Lunar have their own plans for replacing him and that the new recruit is eerily familiar.

Before he can return to Earth, Sam has to confront himself and the discovery that the life he has created may not be his own. It's more than his contract that is set to expire.

[hagbard_celine]

Speaking of moon movies, here comes another:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIexG8179K8

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/

That looks good; thanks for the Heads-up:). It reminds me a bit of Solaris, the original Russian film by Andre Tarkovsky. I've not yet seen the remake.

[real6]

This makes me laugh...

Say this for the U.S. space program: we may have spent the past 40 years mostly ignoring the moon, but when we go back, we go back with a bang. Later today — if weather conditions and hardware permit — NASA will launch its much anticipated and deeply imaginative Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO), the first American spacecraft of any kind to make a lunar trip since 1999. Not only will the LRO help us study the moon in greater detail than ever before, it should also give us our first look at the six Apollo landing sites since we abandoned the historic campgrounds two generations ago.
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In the past few years, the moon has once again become the hot place to go. Three countries with little spacefaring history — Japan, China and India — have all sent probes moonward since 2007, and China in particular has made it clear that it plans to return, first with more robot ships, then with astronauts. (See a photo-essay of the world's most competitive space programs.)

In 2004, the U.S. restarted its own lunar program when President George W. Bush announced a new commitment to have astronauts back on the moon by 2020 and on Mars in the years after. There was surely some political motivation in Bush's election-year proposal, but it was followed up by hardheaded planning and real NASA action. With the shuttles scheduled to be mothballed by 2010, the space agency has committed itself to building and flying a lunar-capable manned ship by 2015, and though the Obama Administration is reconsidering the entire lunar program, so far it's still on track. The goal is to station astronauts on the moon for months, not days, to conduct lunar studies and as training for later attempts to live on Mars. As NASA knew in the 1950s, however, before you can send humans to the moon, you need to send robotic scouts. And that's where the LRO gets involved. (Watch a video of the first broadcast from the moon.)

The 13-ft.-long, 2-ton spacecraft is not designed for a landing, but rather will settle into a low lunar orbit just 30 miles (48 km) above the surface, or about half the altitude at which the Apollos flew. The ship will be fairly stuffed with scientific instruments, one of the most important — if least sexy sounding — of which will be its laser altimeter. The altimeter will bounce laser beams off the lunar surface and, by measuring the speed at which they reflect back up, calculate the moon's topography to within inches. That's critical since long-term lunar stays require finding not only hospitable places to land, but also hospitable places to establish a home. (See the space moon race.)

"We're going to measure the topography with the level of detail civil engineers need when they're building a building," says Jim Garvin, one of the lead developers of the LRO and the chief scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, which will run the mission.

Just as important for choosing where to homestead is knowing the local weather — or at least the local temperature. Nobody pretends that the moon will be a thermally comfortable place to live, but few people realize just how punishing its climate extremes are — a torch-like 250 degrees Fahrenheit (120 Celsius) during the day and a paralyzing -382 Fahrenheit (-230 Celsius) at night. What's more, says Garvin, "the moon goes through this dance every 28 days." Those kinds of cycling extremes can be murder on hardware, and until we know more about the hot-cold rhythm, we can't build properly to withstand it. (See the 50 highs and lows of space exploration.)

Easily the most exciting piece of hardware aboard the ship, however — for lay lunarphiles at least — will be the camera. Even the best reconnaissance photography before the Apollo visits missed things, which is why Apollo 11's landing almost came to grief when Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin found themselves piloting their lander over an unexpected boulder field just seconds before touchdown. That's less likely to happen this time, thanks to a camera that can visualize objects as small as a few feet across. What's more, since the LRO will be in a polar orbit instead of an equatorial one — or, vertical rather than horizontal — the moon's 28-day rotation will eventually carry virtually every spot on the surface beneath the camera's lens.

"The moon will essentially walk around underneath the orbiter," says Garvin. "With the detail we get in the photographs, every picture will be like a mini-landing." That includes photos of the Apollo sites, all half-dozen of which should have their portraits snapped. If NASA gets lucky, Garvin believes the first such images could be in hand by the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11, on July 20.

For all of the LRO's versatility, one thing it can't do with much precision is look for water. That's a problem, since astronauts living on the surface will need plenty of the stuff, and bringing it all with them is out of the question. (A single pint of water weighs about a pound, and every pound you fly to the moon costs about $50,000.) The LRO, however, will not be traveling alone. Launched on the same booster will be another entire spacecraft known as the Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS).

Shortly after the paired ships enter space, the LCROSS will separate from the LRO and embark on its own trajectory toward the moon. The LCROSS will lag behind, spending four months in a sweeping orbit that will carry it around both Earth and the moon; throughout its flight, it will remain attached to its upper stage rocket, separating from it only during its final approach to the moon. The rocket stage will then speed ahead, aiming for a deliberate crash in one of several craters in the south lunar pole in which the LRO's sensors will have detected signs of water ice. The collision will send a debris plume as high as 6.2 miles (10 km) into space and the LCROSS itself, trailing four minutes behind, will fly through it. As it does, its instruments will analyze the chemistry of the plume, looking particularly for water ice, hydrocarbons and other organics that will break down as they are exposed to their first flashes of sunlight in billions of years. Shortly after that, the LCROSS, too, will complete its suicide plunge, smashing into the ground just miles from the first impact site.

It will take about a year before the surviving LRO completes its more leisurely mission, and then another decade at least before humans are once again treading lunar soil. The LRO and LCROSS should play a big part in bringing that eventual return a little closer — and making it a lot safer.

[hagbard_celine]

It's only a couple of weeks to the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11. Will there be any events or special TV shows etc?:cool:

[real6]

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

[real6]

China's Space Walk Was FAKE

http://www.youtube.com/v/lBL98p0wZ7g



Part 2 is even better...

Proof China Faked Their Spacewalk

http://www.youtube.com/v/NVbBFwdmldA

[real6]

Moon Hoax - Backpack Wire Re-Dux

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZzg6LZRbXw

[real6]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mouUUWpEec0

[coco]

China's Space Walk Was FAKE

http://www.youtube.com/v/lBL98p0wZ7g



Part 2 is even better...

Proof China Faked Their Spacewalk

http://www.youtube.com/v/NVbBFwdmldA

Will watch the videos later on but I wanted to throw out there - if it already hasn't been - that the Chinese couldn't even get their times correct regarding the lift off!

[real6]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/07/17/moon.landing.hoax/index.html

(CNN) -- It captivated millions of people around the world for eight days in the summer of 1969. It brought glory to the embattled U.S. space program and inspired beliefs that anything was possible.
Moon landing hoax theorists point to the "rippling" flag as evidence the landings were faked.

Moon landing hoax theorists point to the "rippling" flag as evidence the landings were faked.
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It's arguably the greatest technological feat of the 20th century.

And to some, it was all a lie.

Forty years after Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin set foot on the moon, a small cult of conspiracy theorists maintains the historic event -- and the five subsequent Apollo moon landings -- were staged. These people believe NASA fabricated the landings to trump their Soviet rivals and fulfill President Kennedy's goal of ferrying humans safely to and from the moon by the end of the 1960s.

"I do know the moon landings were faked," said crusading filmmaker Bart Sibrel, whose aggressive interview tactics once provoked Aldrin to punch him in the face. "I'd bet my life on it."

Sibrel may seem crazy, but he has company. A 1999 Gallup poll found that a scant 6 percent of Americans doubted the Apollo 11 moon landing happened, and there is anecdotal evidence that the ranks of such conspiracy theorists, fueled by innuendo-filled documentaries and the Internet, are growing.
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Twenty-five percent of respondents to a survey in the British magazine Engineering & Technology said they do not believe humans landed on the moon. A handful of Web sites and blogs circulate suspicions about NASA's "hoax."

And a Google search this week for "Apollo moon landing hoax" yielded more than 1.5 billion results.

"We love conspiracies," said Roger Launius, a senior curator at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington. "Going to the moon is hard to understand. And it's easier for some people to accept the answer that, 'Well, maybe we didn't go to the moon.' A lot of it is naivete."

Conspiracy theories about the Apollo missions began not long after the last astronaut returned from the moon in 1972. Bill Kaysing, a technical writer for Rocketdyne, which built rocket engines for NASA's Apollo program, published a 1974 book, "We Never Went to the Moon: America's Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle."

In the book and elsewhere, Kaysing argued that NASA lacked the technology in 1969 to land humans safely on the moon, that the Apollo astronauts would have been poisoned by passing through the Van Allen radiation belts that ring the Earth and that NASA's photos from the moon contained suspicious anomalies. Video See improved NASA footage of the 1969 moonwalk »

Kaysing theorized NASA sent the Apollo 11 astronauts up in a rocket until it was out of sight, then transferred the lunar capsule and its three passengers to a military cargo plane that dropped the capsule eight days later in the Pacific, where it was recovered. In the meantime, he believed, NASA officials filmed the "moon landing" at Area 51, the high-security military base in the Nevada desert, and brainwashed the astronauts to ensure their cooperation.

Some believe Kaysing's theories inspired the 1978 movie "Capricorn One," in which NASA fakes a Mars landing on a remote military base, then goes to desperate lengths to cover it up. Others insist NASA recruited director Stanley Kubrick, hot off "2001: A Space Odyssey," to film the "faked" moon landings.

Oh, and those moon rocks? Lunar meteorites from Antarctica.

Decades later, Kaysing's beliefs formed the foundation for "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?" a sensational 2001 Fox TV documentary that spotted eerie "inconsistencies" in NASA's Apollo images and TV footage.

Among them: no blast craters are visible under the landing modules; shadows intersect instead of running parallel, suggesting the presence of an unnatural light source; and a planted American flag appears to ripple in a breeze although there's no wind on the moon.

The hour-long special sparked such interest in the topic that NASA took the unusual step of issuing a news release and posting a point-by-point rebuttal on its Web site. The press release began: "Yes. Astronauts did land on the moon."

In various documents, NASA has countered that the Apollo astronauts passed through the Van Allen belts too quickly to be exposed to dangerous levels of radiation; that the module's descent engines weren't powerful enough to leave a blast crater; that the shadows in photos were distorted by wide-angle lenses and sloping lunar terrain; and that the Apollo flags had horizontal support bars that made the flags swing.

Kaysing died in 2005, but not before grabbing the attention of Sibrel, a Nashville, Tennessee, filmmaker who has since become the most visible proponent of the Apollo hoax theories. With funding from an anonymous donor, Sibrel wrote and directed a 47-minute documentary in 2001 that reiterated many of the now-familiar hoax arguments.

Critics of moon-landing hoax theorists, and there are many, say it would be impossible for tens of thousands of NASA employees and Apollo contractors to keep such a whopping secret for almost four decades.

But Sibrel believes the Apollo program was so compartmentalized that only its astronauts and a handful of high-level NASA officials knew the entire story. Sibrel spent years ambushing Apollo astronauts and insisting they swear on a Bible before his cameras that they walked on the moon.

"When someone has gotten away with a crime, in my opinion, they deserve to be ambushed," Sibrel said. "I'm a journalist trying to get at the truth."

In an episode made infamous on YouTube, Sibrel confronted Aldrin in 2002 and called him "a coward, a liar and a thief." Aldrin, then 72, socked the thirtysomething Sibrel in the face, knocking him backwards.

"I don't want to call attention to the individuals who are trying to promote and shuffle off this hoax on people," Aldrin told CNN in a recent interview. "I feel sorry for the gullible people who're going to go along with them. I guess it's just natural human reaction to want to be a part of 'knowing something that somebody doesn't know.' But it's misguided. It's just a shame."

It's been 37 years since the last Apollo moon mission, and tens of millions of younger Americans have no memories of watching the moon landings live. A 2005-2006 poll by Mary Lynne Dittmar, a space consultant based in Houston, Texas, found that more than a quarter of Americans 18 to 25 expressed some doubt that humans set foot on the moon.

"As the number of people who were not yet born at the time of the Apollo program increases, the number of questions [about the moon landings] also may increase," NASA said in a statement. "Conspiracy theories are always difficult to refute because of the impossibility of proving a negative."

Launius, the National Air and Space Museum curator, believes Apollo conspiracy theories resonate with people who are disengaged from society and distrustful of government. He also believes their numbers are overblown.

"These diehards are really vocal, but they're really tiny," he said.

But Stuart Robbins, a Ph.D. candidate in astrophysics at the University of Colorado who gives lectures defending NASA from Apollo hoax theorists, believes their influence can be harmful.

"If people don't think we were able to go to the moon, then they don't believe in the ingenuity of human achievement," he said. "Going to the moon and returning astronauts safely back to Earth is arguably one of the most profound achievements in human history, and so when people simply believe it was a hoax, they lose out on that shared experience and doubt what humans can do."

In its information campaign against Apollo's "debunkers," NASA may have a potent ace up its sleeve, however. Its Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is now circling the moon with powerful cameras, snapping crisp pictures that could reveal Apollo 11's Eagle lander squatting on the moon's surface.
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Then again, conspiracy theorists may just say NASA doctored the photos.

"Will the LRO's incredibly high-resolution images of the lunar surface, including, eventually, the Apollo landing sites, finally quell the lunacy of the Moon Hoax believers? Obviously it won't," writes astronomer Phil Plait in his blog on Discover magazine's Web site. "These true believers don't live in an evidence-based world."




http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/07/08/no-lro-wont-convince-the-apollo-deniers/




No, LRO won’t convince the Apollo deniers

I’ve been reading a lot about Apollo lately — the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11 is almost upon us — and of course the Moon is in my thoughts anyway with the advent of NASA’s Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter now snapping away as it circles our cosmic neighbor.

I’ve done some interviews about this, and been asked about it endlessly: will the LRO’s incredibly high-resolution images of the lunar surface, including, eventually, the Apollo landing sites, finally quell the lunacy of the Moon Hoax believers?

That would be nice, but obviously it won’t. If they don’t believe the thousands of pictures and video taken from the lunar surface by the Apollo astronauts themselves, why would they believe further NASA evidence? And besides, these true believers don’t live in an evidence-based world. They live in fantasy; it’s the only way they can be shown solid proof their claims are wrong and yet still cleave to them.

I could go into details, but happily the Cumbrian Sky blog already makes these points pretty well.

As for me, I will be happy to sit back and reminisce about Apollo, look over the new LRO imagery, and think about the future of space exploration with some optimism (and fight for the progress to be done rationally!), all the while ignoring the ignorant bleatings of the Apollo deniers. Sixty years from now, when people are celebrating the centenary of the first human to set foot on another world, I think the Hoax will be so long dead and gone that they won’t even know enough to ask, "Sibrel who?"

That’s a future I can look forward to.

[real6]

Here we go….

How can these measurements get made without mirrors being placed on the moon?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/jun/21/mcdonald-observatory-space-laser-funding

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/missions/apollo/apollo_15/experiments/lrr/

http://ares.jsc.nasa.gov/HumanExplore/Exploration/EXLibrary/docs/ApolloCat/Part1/LRRR.htm

Why is a picture needed?



Lunar Laser Ranging experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[dangermouse]

This is the cleared up footage
:D
Lego Moon Landing Footage - YouTube

[real6]

The "halo" area around Apollo 15 landing site observed by Terrain Camera on SELENE(KAGUYA)

http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/05/20080520_kaguya_e.html



The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) reported on the "halo" generated by the Apollo 15* lunar module engine exhaust plume that was detected in the data from Terrain Camera (TC) image.

This was an image processed by the SELENE mission instrument team from the observation data of the Apollo 15 landing site on the moon (the foot of the Apennine Mountains encircling the Mare Imbrium close to Hadley Rille). This is the world's first report on the detection of the "halo" through observations after the end of the Apollo program.

Through the produced three-dimensional image of the same landscape as that of the picture taken by the Apollo 15 crew, the spatial accuracy of the TC observation was verified. The three dimensional view of the TC clearly shows the layers of lava flows that erupted approximately about 3.2 billion years ago in the upper part of the Hadley Rille.

* The Apollo 15 was the ninth manned mission, and fourth lunar landing mission of the Apollo program. The Apollo 15 was launched on July 26, 1971 (JST), landed on the Moon on July 31, 1971, and then landed back on Earth on August 8, 1971. This mission was the first "J mission" and was primarily concerned with scientific research, and stayed longer on the Moon than previous Apollo missions.


(Fig1) 3D view image of the Apollo 15 landing site obtained by TC
The "Falcon" Lunar Module of the Apollo 15 landed on the moon on July 31, 1971 (JST) near the Hadley Rille, at the foot of the Apennine Mountains encircling the Mare Imbrium. The Hadley Rille is a sinuous Rille with a length of 80km and depth of 300m. One of the missions of the Apollo 15 was to study the origin of this Rille. The Rille and the towering mountains near the Rille make this a place of scenic beauty.
This three-dimensional (3D) image was produced from stereo pair image data of the Terrain Camera (TC). The view point was set to show the Rille from the west at a height of 15km.


(Fig 2) Topographic map of the Apollo 15 landing site.
(The star mark is the landing site, and the red arrow stands for the view direction of Fig 1)
(reference: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/)


(Fig 3) The enlarged image where the area of the potential "halo" exists. (left image: 1 square kilometer in size. The inside of the red circle includes the potential "halo").
The reflectivity of the "halo" area became brighter than the original one by the Apollo 15* lunar module engine exhaust plume and the probable "halo" area was confirmed.


(Fig 4) The lunar surface reflectivity change from before and after the landing
(provided from NASA (left image : AS15-87-11719, right image : AS15-9430))
Figure 4 shows the reflectivity change of the surface before and after the landing of the Apollo 15. The left image was taken obliquely from the descending lunar module. The right image was taken from the command service module from an altitude of 110 km on the second orbit of the Moon after the landing. The circle area includes the landing site, and the "halo" can be seen in the right image.



(Fig 5) TC 3D image and the picture taken by Apollo 15 astronaut. (left image : TC, right image : Apollo)
The viewpoint of the 3D image produced from TC stereo-pair data can be freely changed. The 3D image from TC data shows quite a similar landscape (left image) to the picture taken by the Apollo 15 crew (right image; provided from NASA: AS15-82-11122HR). Although the small objects (e.g. rocks) cannot be shown in this TC image because their respective sizes are less than the spatial resolution of the TC of 10 meters, the shape of the mountains and hills is almost the same, indicating the spatial observation accuracy of the TC is very high.


(Fig.6) This still image is a cutout from the movie taken by the SELENE (KAGUYA) HDTV (telephoto camera) on January 29, 2008 (JST.). The Apollo 15 landing site, as well as the Montes Apenninus, Hadley Rille (in the left) and Archimedes crater (in the center) are seen in this image.


(Fig 7) 3D view image around the Hadley Rille obtained by TC
During the Apollo 15 mission, astronauts also collected samples of mare basalt near the Hadley Rille. They confirmed that the Mare Imbrium was composed of many layers of lava flows, from several to ten meters in depth. The 3D view of the TC looking at the southeast direction from the northwest clearly shows the layers of lava flows on the upper parts of the Rille's wall. These layers were probably formed approximately about 3.2 billion years ago.
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[solarwindspirit]

wow. ..

I'll have to read some more later

when goverments do it. . .it's called prevarication
when a citizen does it . . .it's called embellizement

looks sad to me to replicate a model of fakery
No wonder all the nations are on the race to the moon
It's a success (and the bigger the lie the more believable)

someone is making his way to the top. . .of the unside down tree on all shores.
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"The nature of his delusion is clear from the moment he first catches sight of the upside-down tree-a classic Indian symbol for the reality that underlies and is hidden by life in the world, with its false goals and misleading perceptions."

[quasimodo]

http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07...ng-sites-w00t/ (http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/17/lro-images-apollo-landing-sites-w00t/)

NASA released image of the Apollo 14 landing site taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO).

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8982/apollo14lroenhanced.jpg

This picture shows Apollo 14's descent stage sitting on the Moon's surface, also visible are the tracks left where the astronauts walked.

[21_12_2012]

Astronauts footprints haa...classic

Wait a minute...is that a...yeh it is...a flying pig on there too...

[nayan]

I doubt it mate.

[gorana]

Wait...

there are about 40 years since they were up there, and ... footprints are still there?! Unbelievable...

Funny that flag was waiving in airless space, but that same airless space does not move dust around...

Meh...

G.

[elton]

These photos are clearly faked. Both NASA and Arizona State University (who are in on this) should be indicted for mass fraud.

[decim]

Web cams can take better quality photos.

http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07...ng-sites-w00t/ (http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/17/lro-images-apollo-landing-sites-w00t/)

NASA released image of the Apollo 14 landing site taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO).

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8982/apollo14lroenhanced.jpg

This picture shows Apollo 14's descent stage sitting on the Moon's surface, also visible are the tracks left where the astronauts walked.

[elton]

Web cams can take better quality photos.

They were faked anyway. It doesn't matter about the quality. The people at NASA who have faked these photos should be called to account before NASA murder them as well.

[elton]

Shit I forgot about the reflectors.

These photos prove that the reflectors were placed by robotic craft. The craft that are in the photos are the remains of those craft. The footprints have been photoshopped in.

[quasimodo]

More LRO pics..

http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Apoll-11-lro.jpgApollo 11 landing site as imaged by LRO.

These first images were taken between July 11 and 15 2009, the spacecraft is not yet in its final mapping orbit, future LROC images from these sites will have two to three times greater resolution.

http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Apollo-15-lro.jpgApollo 15 site by LRO. Credit: NASA

http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Apollo-16-lor.jpgApollo 16 by LRO. Credit: NASA

The Japanese Kaguya spacecraft previously took images of some of the Apollo landing sites which lacked enough resolution to show details.

http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/apollo-17-lro.jpgApollo 17 LRO. Credit: NASA

The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter was able to image five of the six Apollo sites, with the remaining Apollo 12 site expected to be photographed in the coming weeks.

The straight line to the right of the arrow pointer on the Apollo 17 shot, looks like the Lunar Rover's track.

[tosso]

man was on the moon ..no way they will doing so much false apolo missions to prove something

[elton]

man was on the moon ..no way they will doing so much false apolo missions to prove something

No they wern't. It was all faked. The photos they just released show the robotic craft that were used to plant the laser reflectors. The tracks were photoshopped in. NASA murdered the Apollo 1 astronauts because they were going to blab.

[reptileman01]

I have never believed the conspiracy theory that the moon landing was a hoax. But I know a few you you guys still cling to the idea (for some reason) but here is your proof that we really did land on the moon. An image taken by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter shows the Eagle Lunar Lander and the shadow it casts.

News Link (http://news.aol.com/article/apollo-landing-sites-spotted-by-lunar/577205?icid=main|hp-laptop|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Fartic le%2Fapollo-landing-sites-spotted-by-lunar%2F577205)

[d4rk3v1l]

I have never believed the conspiracy theory that the moon landing was a hoax. But I know a few you you guys still cling to the idea (for some reason) but here is your proof that we really did land on the moon. An image taken by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter shows the Eagle Lunar Lander and the shadow it casts.

News Link (http://news.aol.com/article/apollo-landing-sites-spotted-by-lunar/577205?icid=main|hp-laptop|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Fartic le%2Fapollo-landing-sites-spotted-by-lunar%2F577205)

That's not proof, that's a 3 by 3 inch blurred photo that shows a white dot.

[rodin]

New 'evidence' cannot be trusted as it comes though controlled channels. If you want to prove or disprove Moon Landings you must go back over the old footage, reports etc., for something that cannot be argued away. Unlike 911 it is much harder to prove, and the supporters of the Moon Landings have a huge arsenal of evidence to back up their claim.

To finally put this one to bed, the old evidence must be tested and a chink in the armour found.

Many straw men arguments were put up to claim a hoax, most have been knocked down.

I would be interested to know what the forum thinks is the best evidence for a hoax. Unfortunately 'how come we never went back' is not the kind of evidence we need, though it is highly suggestive.

The best forensic evidence I have seen are flashes from wires allegedly attached to the astronauts. There is a frame from a NASA video that shows this clearly.

It is possible, if there is good enough quality footage or analysis techniques, we can prove the lunar rover operated in atmospheric conditions. While the lack of dust has been used to claim they must have been in a vacuum, the possibility exists that the rover was actually running on sand, which would not plume. Careful analysis of rover 'rooster tails' may in fact show atmosphere.

I would be interested in other useful areas of investigation.

The Moon Rocks are a stumbling block since they have been widely examined and apparently found to have a structure consistent with having been formed in a vacuum. Also while having the constintuency of one, their form is not like that of a Lunar meteorite, which shows evidence of surface melt during entry to the Earth's atmosphere. The question arises - were they mad-made in a vacuum chamber to a recipe obtained from Lunar meteorites - and is this technically possible to do?

The other area to check thoroughly is independent evidence for Apollo, such as that derived from radio hams etc.

[loderlive]

I have never believed the conspiracy theory that the moon landing was a hoax. But I know a few you you guys still cling to the idea (for some reason) but here is your proof that we really did land on the moon. An image taken by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter shows the Eagle Lunar Lander and the shadow it casts.

News Link (http://news.aol.com/article/apollo-landing-sites-spotted-by-lunar/577205?icid=main%7Chp-laptop%7Cdl1%7Clink3%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2 Farticle%2Fapollo-landing-sites-spotted-by-lunar%2F577205)

The idea it was done for the first time in 60's not that it has not been done.

[iitokio]

The thing that i don't understand is that 40 years on from supposedly putting a man on the moon, NASA has not made any kind of attempt to surpass that acheivement by having somekind of permanent base on the moon (that the public know of) or even manned missions to Mars. I don't think anyone 40 years ago expected NASA to still be fluffing around in Earth's orbit doing very little.
Just my 2 cents.

[skyver]

If they did go, they are not showing authentic footage of that trip for some reason...

[21_12_2012]

Forgive me if i am wrong here, but, i seem to remember reading somewhere,
years ago, that there are no pictures of the astronauts with the earth in the
background.

If it was me who was the first man on the moon, the first thing i'd want to do
with the camera is film and want to be filmed with the earth in the background.
"and here's me, and here's the earth behind me...and here are the stars"
blah blah... see what i mean ?

I could be wrong, but i havent seen any pictures with earth on from that
so-called expedition.

[venividivici2311]

I can't remember seeing a crater very close near the lander,a few meters more to the left (from the pic) and they "landed"in there....

[bealert]

ive seen several programs on this and i am still not convinced it happened. some of the photographs taken have been analyzed by professional photographers and according to them the light and shadows in some of the pictures are very suspicious. Some of the shadows seem in the wrong place especially as i believe there was no alternative lighting other than the sun. not sure on this one

[pri01]

We have google earth, where we can home in on our own homes. If man really did step on the moon, why don't they brag about it with google moon? The technology is there presumably and I really would like to look at all the debris they left behind.:D

[diaphos]

I am fortunate enough to remember watching Apollo 11 with Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin as a young child, for those people not old enough to remember it was a magical time, Now my heart wants so badly to believe what i and billions of people witnessed in 1969, but my head tells me that it would be highly unlikely that during that time period and with the technology available it was achievable.

This really disappoints me I can still remember six years old sitting crossed legged in front of an old black and white television in awe at what I was watching, and dreaming of all the great adventures that I might witness in later life

Sometimes I wish I had never heard of the NWO/PTB or conspiracy theories, especially this one.

[pri01]

I am fortunate enough to remember watching Apollo 11 with Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin as a young child, for those people not old enough to remember it was a magical time, Now my heart wants so badly to believe what i and billions of people witnessed in 1969, but my head tells me that it would be highly unlikely that during that time period and with the technology available it was achievable.

This really disappoints me I can still remember six years old sitting crossed legged in front of an old black and white television in awe at what I was watching, and dreaming of all the great adventures that I might witness in later life

Sometimes I wish I had never heard of the NWO/PTB or conspiracy theories, especially this one.

I am fortunate enough to have been around when this magical event happened, but I didn't believe it then even though I was very young. I watched the footage on television then went outside to look at the rocket climbing towards the moon. I stayed outside for ages and saw nothing even though my young logic summised that I would at least see a flicker. Looking back at the whole drama of it, it was really boring.

[diaphos]

I am fortunate enough to have been around when this magical event happened, but I didn't believe it then even though I was very young. I watched the footage on television then went outside to look at the rocket climbing towards the moon. I stayed outside for ages and saw nothing even though my young logic summised that I would at least see a flicker. Looking back at the whole drama of it, it was really boring.


We all have different opinions about things that’s one of the things that makes life interesting, I think you would have to agree though that most of the world was transfixed by the events taking place, most young children were very excited by the whole thing, I too went outside and looked at the moon hopefully but I understood how far the moon was away from the earth so was not surprised I could not see anything

[icemanrip]

I have never believed the conspiracy theory that the moon landing was a hoax. But I know a few you you guys still cling to the idea (for some reason) but here is your proof that we really did land on the moon. An image taken by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter shows the Eagle Lunar Lander and the shadow it casts.

News Link (http://news.aol.com/article/apollo-landing-sites-spotted-by-lunar/577205?icid=main|hp-laptop|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Fartic le%2Fapollo-landing-sites-spotted-by-lunar%2F577205)

How on Earth can this Image be Proof ( LMFAO ), I mean People don't believe the actual video footage. So what makes NASA think that this image is going to convince us people that think the Moon Landings were FAKED. And as for the Footprints still being there, I say Bollocks, because there was wind on the video footage of the flag waving, so I would say the footprints would have been cover over after 40 years. It's all fucking Lies and NASA are digging themselves a BIGGER CRATER to sit in.

[size_of_light]

The best forensic evidence I have seen are flashes from wires allegedly attached to the astronauts. There is a frame from a NASA video that shows this clearly.

I'm undecided about the Moan hoax question, so here are a couple of arguments for and against the wires:

Moon Landing Hoax - Wires Footage - YouTube

Moon Landing Hoax - Wires Footage - Percy Debunk - YouTube

[the_luner_landing_hoax]

Proof the Moon Landing was a Hoax.

Humans, weighing some 70 kgs, leave deep footprints.

The lunar lander weighing 6,531 kgs (supposedly 14,696 kgs when fully fueled) doesn't leave any visible footprint.

QED (End of Proof)

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2009/06/nasa-as11-40-5917.jpg

Humans, weighing some 70 kgs, leave deep footprints.

The lunar lander weighing 6,531 kgs (supposedly 14,696 kgs when fully fueled) doesn't leave any visible footprint.

QED (End of Proof)

And, courtesy of the U.S. national hoax association,... NASA,... we bring you

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5917.jpg

the original NASA photo itself.

From: hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5917.jpg

[drc_]

We have google earth, where we can home in on our own homes. If man really did step on the moon, why don't they brag about it with google moon? The technology is there presumably and I really would like to look at all the debris they left behind.:D

This is kinda what you're asking for:

Google Moon (http://www.google.com/moon/)

And they went even further with Mars (http://earth.google.com/mars/) you can look at that just like we can look at Earth. Just not so close-up..

It still is odd of course that they'd go through the trouble of making a 3d model of mars, which is a bit further away.. instead of the moon, where they already landed...

[dangermouse]

im sorry but the landing module looks like something from a childrens make and do program made from toilet roll and tin foil :D

[jimmi]

I too was six years old and stayed up all night to watch the greatest achievement of man, I had a spacesuit and a helmet with a tinted visor, it's one of the few memories I have of me with my father who died a few years later. It was not easy for me to change my belief that we went to the moon but after seeing the photos and having the lighting anomalies pointed out and being aware of nasa's persistent refusal to address any legitimate questions on the matter, my belief has changed.
Ultimately, when I am now asked if I believe that we went to the moon, my answer is "I don't know, but the official story of the first landing with Neil Armstrong is a load of bullshit", anyone who investigates the matter with an open mind quickly sees through the tactics adopted by the 'official' side, where the 'it was a hoax' side use clear logical reasoning and ask questions nasa answer with abuse that wouldn't be tolerated in a school playground.

[opulentview]

If they can prove how they went through the Van-Allen radiation belts unscathed I'd to love to hear it.

[kalabaster]

here you go....

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/what_happened_on_the_moon2.php

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/truth_behind_the_moon_landings.php

[elton]

NASA are lying murderers.

The photos are real however. It is commonly accepted that there are laser reflectors still in use to this day from the Apollo sites. No-one can deny that they are there. They are used to this day on a daily basis by many universities across the world. Anyone who refuses to believe thay are there is a fool.

The NASA photos just released are genuine but they show the robotic craft that were used to plant the reflectors, not the remains of manned landers. The footprints were photoshopped in.

[alzee]

To hold that pic up as 'proof' is laughable.

[the_luner_landing_hoax]

Proof the Moon Landing was a Hoax.

Humans, weighing some 70 kgs, leave deep footprints.

The lunar lander weighing 6,531 kgs (supposedly 14,696 kgs when fully fueled) doesn't leave any visible footprint.

QED (End of Proof)

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2009/06/nasa-as11-40-5917.jpg

Humans, weighing some 70 kgs, leave deep footprints.

The lunar lander weighing 6,531 kgs (supposedly 14,696 kgs when fully fueled) doesn't leave any visible footprint.

QED (End of Proof)

And, courtesy of the U.S. national hoax association,... NASA,... we bring you

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5917.jpg

the original NASA photo itself.

From: hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5917.jpg

To hold that pic up as 'proof' is laughable.

Not at all. Not at all.

How do you explain the absence of an impression in the soil from a six ton object that has just "dropped out of the sky"

[pri01]

This is kinda what you're asking for:

Google Moon (http://www.google.com/moon/)

And they went even further with Mars (http://earth.google.com/mars/) you can look at that just like we can look at Earth. Just not so close-up..

It still is odd of course that they'd go through the trouble of making a 3d model of mars, which is a bit further away.. instead of the moon, where they already landed...

I stand corrected. Thanks for the link though, I am not convinced.

[alzee]

Not at all. Not at all.

How do you explain the absence of an impression in the soil from a six ton object that has just "dropped out of the sky"

I meant the OP. I probably should've specified that ^^

[kodeine]

Of course it was all a hoax. It was Mars that they actually landed on.

[julieray]

I have never believed the conspiracy theory that the moon landing was a hoax. But I know a few you you guys still cling to the idea (for some reason) but here is your proof that we really did land on the moon. An image taken by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter shows the Eagle Lunar Lander and the shadow it casts.

News Link (http://news.aol.com/article/apollo-landing-sites-spotted-by-lunar/577205?icid=main|hp-laptop|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Fartic le%2Fapollo-landing-sites-spotted-by-lunar%2F577205)

I wonder why this information is only being made available now - after 40 years???

[mrindigo]

New 'evidence' cannot be trusted as it comes though controlled channels.

http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_news/aolnews_beta_logo

Illuminati much? :D

[mrindigo]

Proof the Moon Landing was a Hoax.

Humans, weighing some 70 kgs, leave deep footprints.

The lunar lander weighing 6,531 kgs (supposedly 14,696 kgs when fully fueled) doesn't leave any visible footprint.

QED (End of Proof)

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2009/06/nasa-as11-40-5917.jpg

Humans, weighing some 70 kgs, leave deep footprints.

The lunar lander weighing 6,531 kgs (supposedly 14,696 kgs when fully fueled) doesn't leave any visible footprint.

QED (End of Proof)

And, courtesy of the U.S. national hoax association,... NASA,... we bring you

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5917.jpg

the original NASA photo itself.

From: hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5917.jpg

At least they were kind enough to gift wrap the lander. :D