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adimon
16-10-2007, 02:46 AM
EDIT: People can vote for more than one reason if applicable.

Please see what I have to say below, and then let me know if my views are similar to yours, or if you disagree etc, and if you could complete my poll I'd be very grateful. It was hard to create the options for the poll, but I figure (and hope) that anyone interested in responding will explain all in their post too! :)

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Personally, I don't watch broadcast TV at all anymore, and haven't done for around 3 years. Prior to that I had a 'dwindling period' where I watched between 1 and 10 hours a month. Before that, I watched a fair bit, including a period when I lived with a soap-addicted ex-girlfriend, where we'd watch soap from 6pm til 9pm every day. Evil.

Anyway...in the end...

1. Even with the several hundred channels available on the Sky Digital system, I was hardly ever able to find anything that I actually 'wanted' to watch. Sometimes I found myself watching something just because it was on, and I was sat down. I later decided this was fundamentally wrong - I would never go into a library and waste my time reading a shit book just because I was there, so why do it with visual information?

2. The kind of programs I used to enjoy watching as a kid have been completely marginalised. Programs to do with science/mysteries/alternative viewpoints/interesting people - e.g. Rasputin, or the darker side of history - e.g. French Inquisition are very small in number now. I know there are some channels with more solely-science programs, but overall they are quite banal, unoriginal, and not really covering anything new. I know there is National Geographic etc, but this seems to be mainly animals and I'm not big into animals at all.

3. The effect of TV on my peers, and the generations either side of mine, is extremely worrying to me, now that I have had a chance to observe these effects from the standpoint of an avid-viewer, a dwindling-viewer, and a non-viewer.

i) Firstly, the sheer amount of time most people spend watching the TV. I'm not going to quote any studies or statistics, but from what I can see, most people I know watch 2-6 hours a day.

ii) Some of these same people complain that they don't have enough time for other things, like exercise, or going out and meeting people. This is not only untrue, but the thing which is making them lose health and die earlier.

iii) Next, not only do people spend ridiculous amounts of time WATCHING, but I wouldn't mind betting that one of the main conversation topics between friends is TV.

SAMPLE CONVERSATION:

Bill: Did you watch Harry Enfield last night?
Bob: Yes
Bill: What about that bit where he....

Does anyone else think that maybe, in general, people 25-30 years ago went to a bit more effort to find out about their friends' lives and help one another get along?

iv) If I was to tell you that if you were to go down the road and look through the front window of No. 7, that you could watch the whole goings on in their house, and see them talking, eating, sleeping etc. would you give a shit?

So why do even some of my most switched-on, otherwise-intelligent and even anti-capitalist friends bother to sit down in front of Big Brother? Is it just because No.7 is now on TV? Or because they fill the BB house with what they hope will be attractive people? Jesus, I can't stand clubbing, but that's where I'd head if I wanted to find attractive people for purely aesthetic reasons.

4. As a non-viewer, if I go round my friends to hang out for the day or visit for a few days, they know that if they wanna watch Eastenders or House or anything else that I don't, then I will leave the room, and either do some exercise (if I have the energy) or go read something informative to me...or, miracle-of-miracles, I occasionally find someone else who has the same view and we carve out a conversation that we wouldn't normally have had. What a bonus!

5. Sometime, earlier-on in my boycott of TV, I found some anti-TV websites (WhiteDot etc) and there are two points I remember which have stayed impressed in my memory, and I'd like to share them with you (apologies if you've heard them before). They are paraphrased, not word for word.

i) If you were to travel back in time to the 1800s and tell them that in 100-150 years time, people from all walks of life would spend several hours a day unmoving, staring at a box of metal and plastic and glass, would they not maybe have thought that idea sounded like a sci-fi horror film, a la "The Day The Earth Sat Still" ?

ii) The program 'Friends' is one of the most popular and successful shows of all time. The creators obviously found a range of characters broad enough that most people would identify to a certain degree. The title, the cheery nature of the show, the jangly theme tune, and the dual comedy/drama nature of it - e.g. shitjokes and bad dramatic acting - all ensured it's place as a universal favourite that, in fairness, nearly everyone liked. The point I want to impress is about the irony of the situation - the viewer associating themselves with the show, identifying and caring about what happens to the characters ("I cant believe Rachel is marrying Joey and not Ross!") and 'feeling a part' of the group of friends; when in reality, the viewer is isolated from the real world of real friends because they are in their living room in their crap house in Manchester, not a plush town house in NYC hanging out with the gang. 'Friends' couldn't be a more ironic title. Do you think Matt le Blanc cares if your mum has cancer, or you had a miscarriage? So what do you care if 'Joey' suffers a family loss, or gets AIDS? Which leads me on to...

6. In defence of TV, especially in defence of soaps, I always hear the idea that they bring topical or important issues to people's awareness. But what issues? Whose awareness? What knock-on effect does this have? Is it measurable? Soaps are certainly not realistic otherwise the characters would all be talking about TV and football. And you wouldn't get an annual death rate of 3 for a road with 7 houses on it. As for so-called reality shows, I couldn't think of anything less real and more contrived. Reality TV gives reality a bad name.

7. I'm not proposing censorship or restrictions on TV to combat the evil I think it represents, btw, I'm just keen for people to do more of the other things they could do with their time - like exercise, private study, household organisation, sex or simply rest.

8. I can watch the few films and documentaries that I want to, on the Internet, or buy them on DVD/download them, and watch them at my convenience. This way I only watch when I actually want to watch, and I watch only what I want to watch. I can find out about new shows and docus through the Internet, and other people, then buy or download if I want to.

For example, I REALLY REALLY like 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' but have never tuned in to watch it. A friend lent me the First Series on DVD, and I liked it so much, I went out and bought all the others. 'Curb' Series 6 is now showing on HBO, and I'm keen to find out what the new series is like, but I'm not keen on the necessary hassle to find out which provider beams HBO to the UK, and hey it's only a show, I can wait.

Plus I dont have a TV. :D

9. If broadcast entertainment is to stick around, either in the form of TV, or as direct broadcast from the internet (as I think it will become), I'd like to see a more customer-focused, choice-based, open system. How about a situation where every channel is subscription-based, so you only have to pay for what you watch, and no more, and channels could set their charges per week, month, one-off, whatever, so the whole system would be governed by the laws of the free-market, and a channel that deemed to charge too much for its service would suffer, and be forced to address their fee in order to survive.

I think such a system would also encourage more channels to think twice about ditching 'The World at War' in favour of 'When Dogs Go Mad'.

10. I'd like to say finally that I don't believe the existence or the development of TV is an Illuminati plot to subdue. I think that the corporate world uses it very well as a tool to sell, and part of that selling involves 'lulling' for want of a better word, but I think the reason more controversial CT-type programs aren't shown on TV is because of popularity and the difficulty in finding funding for minority interests in the first place, not part of a larger agenda.

Thank you for your patience and interest. :)

woolfie
16-10-2007, 03:16 AM
I shall confess I am a soap fanatic :o

Maybe you would'nt feel so lonely hun if you put the tv on :rolleyes: :p

raffles
16-10-2007, 03:19 AM
Only "program" i go out of my way to watch is top gear, i love that "program" for some reason.

For some unkown reason i now find myself wanting to buy a bugatti veyron, i only need to find a spare £875.000 :eek:

woolfie
16-10-2007, 03:21 AM
> Ah see the prog is conditioning you :p;)

raffles
16-10-2007, 03:23 AM
> Ah see the prog is conditioning you :p;)

I guess so !! :D

lilly555
16-10-2007, 03:23 AM
I watch TV because I have several programs I like and I don't want to miss them
I watch TV because it's an escape/distraction from my sometimes boring life
I watch TV to learn
I watch TV to learn what I'm supposed to be thinking, and take an opposing view

I watch tv for all of these reasons, I voted for the second on this list because it called to me the most

adimon
16-10-2007, 03:27 AM
I thought I'd add this link (http://www.whitedot.org/) in case anyone is interested.

Cheers

adimon
16-10-2007, 03:32 AM
I shall confess I am a soap fanatic :o

Maybe you would'nt feel so lonely hun if you put the tv on :rolleyes: :p

Aww thanks but I'm not 'unhappy lonely', I just want to find a special woman!

But actually, nothing makes me lonelier than watching TV. :eek:

snoopsnuffleopagus
16-10-2007, 04:17 AM
Cordial Felicitations, Adimon:

I think TV is a medium that expresses the Full Swing of the Pendulum.

From the wonderful and worthwhile to the basest and most tawdry.

All subject to individual discernment and discipline.

I loved the 'Series' of the 60s: Mister Ed, the Addams Family, the Beverley Hillbillies, Gilligans Island.......

Have you heard of any of those?

They were charming and whimsical. Mayberry RFD?

Now it is 26 minutes of commercial per hour.

Hey! That website Logo is interesting. The Yod and the Yoni.

Where the hell is 2Tuff when you need him?

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

adimon
16-10-2007, 04:34 AM
I loved the 'Series' of the 60s: Mister Ed, the Addams Family, the Beverley Hillbillies, Gilligans Island.......

Have you heard of any of those?

I've seen Addams, Beverley and Gilligan. Not a fan unfortunately. Not enough content for my liking.

razed1
16-10-2007, 04:34 AM
well

its ironic, the condescending last option you put, is actually the only reason i watch any t.v./movies

to decipher SYMBOLIC COMMUNICATION

its real, its there, and if you learn, you can understand what theyre trying to tell you


for those that scoff at this kind of thing, it only shows how far you ar form the the truth of the situation


t.v. is not there for us, or for our entertainment

think of it like 'their' loud speaker to us, telling us constantly what theyve done, what theyre doing, and what theyre gonna do

not to mention all that children brainwashing programs



for instance i saw an add on MTV canada

they have a progmram, like a 'bachelor' of flava of love show, but instead the main girl, shes BIsexual, so we have men and women trying to win this girls 'love'


this is whats shown on MTV, which is MAINLY watched by preteens, who learn whats 'cool' and how to be




its just too sick now, i am getting tired of this, :(

adimon
16-10-2007, 04:49 AM
well

its ironic, the condescending last option you put, is actually the only reason i watch any t.v./movies
...
to decipher SYMBOLIC COMMUNICATION
...
its real, its there, and if you learn, you can understand what theyre trying to tell you
...
for those that scoff at this kind of thing, it only shows how far you ar form the the truth of the situation
...
this is whats shown on MTV, which is MAINLY watched by preteens, who learn whats 'cool' and how to be
:(

Actually I wasn't being condescending, it was a joke. I already included the option "I watch TV to learn what I'm supposed to be thinking, and take an opposing view", which some people have already voted for, which I think encompasses the point you are trying to make. The reason I included the last one as a joke was because my thread and poll are quite long to read and I wanted to lighten it up a bit!

But as for the TV show you mentioned, it sounds totally banal and probably potentially damaging as you suggest. So, don't watch it, encourage your loved ones not to watch it, and if you have any children, then of course it's your choice what they watch in your house.

No scoffing here. I'll take people's word for it about the subliminal nature of TV - you obviously watch a lot? Symbolic communication sounds like one more reason not to have one!

razed1
16-10-2007, 04:55 AM
i watch t.v. maybe an hour or so every fortnight (2 weeks)


but what i find really amazing, is that the off chance i turn on the t.v. and watch lets say a bit of star trek deep space 9. theyre will be something symbolic on there that has to do with what ive been wondering about that day, or researching that day


its funny how consciousness works


its hard to explain with words, just how one 'gets' it

that old sayin,

those who know 'it', speak of 'it' not, those who speak of 'it', know 'it' not

is very much true, how is one supposed to articulate something in a left brained way, which is beyond the comprehension of the left brained approach

mountain
16-10-2007, 04:57 AM
I very very rarely watch it now unless in the company of someone else who is watching and while they are tranced out I tend to observe the room or make a sandwich.

Most of the shows on TV portray stressed out, hard-working adults with troubled love lives. Meaningless and loveless sex. Children who are walking the hallways of schools talking about senseless subjects and rarely being kids. Revenge. Super hatred and jealousy and people lined up in traffic, shouting on their cell phones..... BOOOOORIIIING!!

I see why this has actually been made into the reality we see NOW, because its been made to look like the ideal. TV rarely shows individuals respecting each other and nature.

razed1
16-10-2007, 04:59 AM
yes its like after 15 min, you switch channels, and begin to realize the reason you stopped watching in the first place,

i really get sick, seeing teh ads, and fake shows, with fake ppl, with fake news, with fake facts,

enough to make ya hurl:(

razed1
16-10-2007, 05:03 AM
oh yes i almost forgot, the DEmasculinization of the MALE

i see this dumb comedy show, and it has that same tired crap, where the son of the father is hanging around with another father figure, and father is trying to make his son be interested again, kinda like taht simpsons episode where bart has that big brother with him

just so many unreal, fake ass problems, to get ppl worried about and go to their 'illuminati experts' for advice on how to raise their children

i can go on forever in this thread, the more i post in this thread the more im getting PISSED OFF! GRRRR! fucken lummie BASTARDS!!! :mad:

gordonfreeman
16-10-2007, 06:13 AM
I hate TV!!! :mad: I feel like throwing an axe at it. But I only use it when I watch my favorite movies on DVD and play video games on it. That's it!!!

Why, everyone in the whole-wide-small Earth has a single TV. Everyone I know and talk to has a TV.

Everyone has a Fucking TV!! Screw TV and enjoy mother-nature instead! Like walking in a deep forest or hiking on a giant hill or mountain. Hell, read old books and novels, they are your main information. I love reading books, they are a fun quiet time. Fictional are my most favorite.

melbo
16-10-2007, 08:22 AM
I occasionally watch documentaries and comedies for a bit of info or light relief. I sometimes (shock horror) watch the news even and catch the weather forecast. I don't think it does any harm, especially when you're wise to their tricks. I'm not glued to it and it doesn't matter if I miss something. I don't watch these long American series that are never ending and I don't watch soap operas, they're such a waste of time.

I can't stand adverts though, and have to mute the tv or leave the room while they're on.

megafish33
16-10-2007, 08:30 AM
I've watched, and will still watch random stuff from time to time.

mad as a cat
16-10-2007, 11:13 AM
Excellent post,Adimon:)

I have a TV....I don't have a licence....I use my TV for DVD/video's.

I was 'addicted' to TV. I watched TV as much as possible - day and night.

Then I read 'Who's Bringing Them Up?' ... Television and child development:How to break the T.V. habit' by Martin Large.

This coincided with my son preparing to attend a Steiner/Waldorf school,four months away.

School policy,not a rule, states:
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Electronic Media and Games,Television,Computers,Videos.

The experience of our teachers is that television and other forms of electronic media can significantly interfere with the harmonious development of the child. This is particularly so in relation to the will forces which require activity to develop appropriately. Our experience is now backed by significant research that has established that exposure to these forms of media are harmful to young children. It has been shown to sap childrens' strength and creative energy and can lead to restlessness and poor concentration. Our teachers have found that exposure to these forms of electronic media are detrimental to the curriclum aims of Waldorf Education and for this reason their use is not recommended for young children.
Computers are not used in the classroom at ******* Waldorf School for similar reasons.There is some instruction in the use of computers in Class 8 in order to support the transition to local state schools. However in Waldorf schools generally,computer studies are regarded as an Upper School subject(starting in Class 10). Classes 7 and 8 use calculators and electronic spell checkers,however,only after the underlying processes are understood.
Parents should be assured that children are not disadvantaged educationally by this policy and in fact some ex-pupils have chosen to go on to successfully study computer sciences and also to take careers in graphic arts and web design.
The school has information available to support parents in understanding it's position on this matter and periodic talks are given on the subject.Also recommended are the following books:The Plug In Drug. Who's Bringing Them Up? and Fool's Gold.
While it is appreciated that these views may be seen to be at variance with some mainstream opinion,the policy we have adopted is based on informed educational experience and understanding of child development needs.
We therefore ask that parents support our educational aims by adhering to the school's policy in this area.
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Based on the above information,I cancelled my TV licence.
So....now my addiction is the internet.....which is worrying,as I use an 'old-fashioned' monitor, not LCD/flatscreen.......I sit even closer to this screen than the TV,thus causing more harm......so,logically,my next big purchase will be a new monitor.(I don't think I'll find one on 'Freecycle' somehow!).

Do I miss TV? "NO".
To start with (over 4 years ago now), I missed my favourites:Stargate SG-1,documentaries,National Geographic,Discovery and the music channels,but now,when visiting TV watching family and friends,I have a strange feeling,like an unease in the stomach,almost as though I know there's something wrong going on.Strange!
The funny thing is,people ask "What on earth do you do with yourselves with no TV?" I have to laugh,because we still don't have enough time in the day to do all we want! (I guess if I got off this PC,I might find the answer to that problem!

Anyway,that's my two pennies worth!

:):):):)

nessa felagund
16-10-2007, 12:58 PM
I had quit watching TV altogether, and then this new show came on, I watched it once, and now I am hooked.

That show is Heroes. :D

rossus
16-10-2007, 01:06 PM
i think watching TV a lot is as bad as being on this forum or the internet in general a lot.
to me, both feel like a spirit crusher... they make me feel in prison.

i try to keep it to a minimum but the addictive personality tries to keep it to maximum :)

gremlin
16-10-2007, 01:13 PM
im hooked on tv, its my god,http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-053.gif

if i didn't get my fix 8 hrs a dayhttp://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sad/crying-022.gif then http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/hahaha-024.gif then http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/censored-015.gif then http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/hung-037.gif

chattanova
16-10-2007, 02:24 PM
Theres only one thing I really have to see and thats 'Weeds', fantastic series, I love it:)