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ho1ogram

10-03-2007, 04:25 AM

anoninnyc, I'm glad you asked because it has been on my mind for the last few days and I have a lot of questions about this. I hope there is someone who can clarify a few things

Re chemtrails;
I have known about them for years from conspiracy sites and such. The premise of spraying chemicals in the air for nefarious purposes is fine with me. But... I have never seen them. I used to do a lot of surfing in Victoria, so I would look at the sky a lot to check the clouds for weather activity etc. Plus when you are sitting in the ocean on a surfboard you tend to be looking at the sky a lot anyway.

I grew up in Melbourne and don't recall ever seeeing them. My friends who introduced me to Icke about nine years ago and who live in Melbourne, never report seeing them.

If they are as common as people on this forum and on the net are saying, why hasn't anyone with inside info. come forward? Why don't we have lists of where the planes are taking off and landing? If they are so common, why doesn't someone set up a high powered camera with a killer telephoto lens and photograph the spraying apparatus of the planes? It seems to be an everyday occurence all over the world yet I can't find any substatial proof, only the trails in the skies. Every other 'conspiracy' has reams of data on it. I can find entire books detailing where underground bases and alien hangouts are, but I haven't seen one airport facility that is involved in this or what type of plane is the most common.
I have looked a lot of the websites and blogs, weartherwars, chemtrail conspiracy (they seem to be the common ones that people refer too) and others, but they all have photos and not much else. I have actually found better explanations about them being contrails (which do appear to join togethor and form cirrus clouds). (*edit* and maybe there are more trails these days because there is more general air traffic).

I am not trying to be a smartarse. I know there are some people on here who are very passionate about this. But I can't believe it is as extensive as it's supposed to be and nobody can tell me the airports and planes involoved, the companies, the chemicals, no pilots have blown the whistle etc. Which arm of the military or secret agency is in charge of operations?

HAARP;
I need more info on this. I have seen the sites about ionsphere experiments and yes it dodgy. I know the main station is in Alaska, but from don Crofts writings there appear to be a lot more of them (smaller ones), some located at electrical stations in Nth America. Is this true? Or is there just the Alaskan one? He also talks about 'martial law towers' what are these?

Scalar;
My understanding from Tom Beardons website (all the other sites seem to refer to him) is that it is an energy kind of like orgone, chi, life force or something. Is that right?
I have heard it said that space waponry is used to shoot beams of it at the earth. Is this right? I have read that 'they' lay down a chemtrail in the sky first as a marker for the sateliites. This doesn't make sense to me, why wouldn't they just use a ground based landmark or gps? What exactly are they trying to do with it? Who built the satellites?

I have found a site that says you can heal yourself with scalar which makes sense if it is the 'life force'. I'll read it over this weekend.

I would love some clarification on these matters. If you are going to point me to a website could you please tell me where exactly to look. Could you please try and address my specific questions as above.

I don't have the broadband speed for watching videos so don't bother with references to them.
Thank You.
h.

Ps - I live in a rural area so maybe there is no point spraying here but I am surprised my friends in Melbourne don't mention it. It seems to happen in the rest of Aus. and the world. I shall ring them this weekend though and ask them specifically.

pps- I shall probably order Jerry E Smith's book 'Weather Warfare' next week. Has anyone read it and is it a good resource or mostly speculation that I can already find on the net?

another ps- quite often it is forecast to rain here and it doesn't come. I s this because of weather modification or is it because we're talking about weather bureaau who have always got it wrong? Quite often it couds over in the morning but then clears.

I am wary of seeing a 'conspiracy' at every turn or at least over stating them. (The global police state aspect I don't think can be overstated though. Neither can our ability to scare ourselves. Or the premise that we are creating our own reality, but that topic can cover an entire forum on it's own.)
Thanks again.

lookfar

10-03-2007, 01:02 PM

Re chemtrails;
the companies, the chemicals, no pilots have blown the whistle etc. Which arm of the military or secret agency is in charge of operations?

Hi ho1ogram

It's a shame you can't view the various chemtrail vids because they would definitely answer your questions. The thing I recall most from them is the rate of "unknown respiratory illnesses" which in the US have risen a staggering 3000%:eek: since the start of chemtrails in early 2000 I believe (or before I can't recall?)

Also saw this article recently from an airline mechanic - http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1669

klinker

10-03-2007, 01:33 PM

pps- I shall probably order Jerry E Smith's book 'Weather Warfare' next week. Has anyone read it and is it a good resource or mostly speculation that I can already find on the net?

Yes it is a very good read with some excellent historical context but I need to read it again and make notes as Mr Smith invites feedback. :)

freemantv

10-03-2007, 10:32 PM

I would like to offer you these videos.
HAARP
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6573594099335358512
Chemtrails
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1156801777655314114

There are more at www.freemanarchives.com

ho1ogram

15-03-2007, 04:10 PM

G'day all. I'm disappointed that no one has really challenged me on my questions about this topic.

It's a shame you can't view the various chemtrail vids because they would definitely answer your questions. The thing I recall most from them is the rate of "unknown respiratory illnesses" which in the US have risen a staggering 3000%:eek: since the start of chemtrails in early 2000 I believe (or before I can't recall?)

Also saw this article recently from an airline mechanic - http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1669

People are sick, I'll grant you that, but anything could be the cause, not the least being junk in our food and drinks. The article from a supposed airline mechanic is full of holes and corny genre writing:

That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no concern of yours you will lose your job. As it is I'm feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon" CLICK.

That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some answers. I don't remember now how I got there but I came across your site. That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."

And then he goes and tells us all about it on the net anyway? If they are watching him so closely they know what sites he is visiting then they know he knows so why dosen't he just tell us his name and where he works and where he examined the mystery plane?

Why doesn't he tell us what sort of plane it is?

He says the spray lines lead out at the wing edges and horizontal stabilizers, yet the majority of chemmie photos I have seen show the trails coming out from engines (just like contrails). The photos with lines off the wing edges? Well they sure as hell aint definitive.

Dr. Len Horowitz says the chemicals are mixed into the fuel. But he was awrded an obe or some other Illuminati award recently, so can he be trusted or is he just another pawn to spread disinfo?

My main point in my first post is this: How do you keep something this big so covered up that no one on the inside is talking? Pilots, mechanics, ground crews, refuellers, chemical suppliers etc, so many people would have to be in on it. If they are so common, please someone, find out where these planes are taking off from and landing.

The biggest kicker though is... why aren't all these people conceerned for their own health? After all they are supposedly polluting the atmosphere. You can't contain this stuff to any one area, it's blowing around all over the place. What, they are immune to it? They don't care if they are poisoning themselves?

Sorry, none of it adds up.

airliners.net is an eye opening site and puts things into perspective I reckon. Search their forums for chemtrails and see what they say. It is interesting to hear the reactions from chemtrail advocates about the pilots explanations. The 'chemmies' behave in the same 'I'm right your wrong' way that we accuse the general population of when we present them with evidence about the nwo. People sometimes want to believe what they want to believe without considering the evidence provided or attempting to refute it. I feel we have been conditioned to believe in chemtrails without any good evidence except for photos of contrails.

If the plan is to block out sunlight, then maybe you've got something there. But it seems that contrails can do this anyway:
Contrails are essentially clouds and are the same effect as seeing one’s breath on a cold, damp day. The narrow bands of ice crystals gradually expand into a cirrus type high altitude cloud if conditions are just right. Just how often are the conditions conducive to their formation? “At flight altitudes, conditions that support contrail-generated cirrus exist 10% – 20% of the time in clear air and within standing cirrus”4. Although this is a small percentage, the diverse weather of North America coupled with the staggering number of commercial flights in the air results in at least some part of the United States being good contrail weather on any given day
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/58835/#menu101

I have spoken to my friends from Melbourne to the South Austarlian border and there are definitely no chemmies across this whole region. Well, none of us have seen them. As for where others live? I don't know, but again it is a pretty well kept secret with so many people involved who are poisoning there own air supply.

I would believe that chemmies are used, maybe and only very occasionally for specific events and or areas, but no where near as much as people claim. I think everyone is scaring themselves. Funny patterns in the sky aren't a case for chemmies. All lines have to cross at some point unless they are parallel. Planes do turn and they do circle over cities to maintain holding patterns etc. Aircraft activity has probably increased since chemmies were first claimed, hence more contrails.

There are just too many people that would have to be involved and they would know they are poisoning themselves.

As for scalar? So far this has got more credence but I have still been unable to find out exactly what scalar is. If anybody can help with it that would be great. (Not Beardon's site, I didn't find that much help.)

Haarp? Are there more locations than just the Alaskan site?

I wouldn't be surprised if all three are just disinfo to scare us and divert attention from the real issues that we can prove and do something about. Like ending war and cleaning up our food supplies.

I'm open to looking at any new info, but I have seen fifty odd chemmie photos so don't bother posting any of those unless they distinctly show some spray apparatus.

Look, if i'm right then it is good news. If I am wrong, then someone should be able to track where these planes and chemicals are coming from if they are so common. Or be able to find someone on the inside. Any pilots, refuellers, chemical suppliers, ground crews, reading this?

Cheers
ho1ogram.

lookfar

15-03-2007, 04:35 PM

Hi ho1ogram

I can understand where you're coming from & agree that there does seem to be a definite lack of 'insiders' coming forward with real proof wrt chemtrails. Although I can understand why they wouldn't want to as it would certainly jeopardise their position.

However, I recall reading this from the UK Chemtrails link going back some & wonder if this has anything to do with the reason...???

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/solar.html
This article was taken from http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails.htm

Be interested in what you think...

ho1ogram

15-03-2007, 05:28 PM

LOL... I don't know what to make of it, how's that last paragraph...

When you see the chemplanes and the chemtrails in their wakes, look at them not with fear and trepidation, nor with anger and enmity, but embrace them and their brave crews. They are truly fighting the odds to save us and our planet. Look up at the skies and say a prayer for the heroes who are among us. If they fail, we all fail and our race itself may fail. But damn it, at least we went down swinging!

And then there is the first paragraph:
Uncovering the terrible secret of chemtrails has led to many sleepless nights. What the human race faces, quite literally, is a battle for our future existence -- at the very least a battle to try to retain the civilization we now enjoy. Terrorism, Iraq, Afghanistan, the potential threats of Iran and North Korea, nuclear conflagration -- all pale when compared to the dire threat our world is facing right now. That's right. Now. This instant -- not some misty time in the far off future.
I think the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and Nth Korea might disagree with that.

At least the pilot in the story agrees that spraying chemicals would be dumb as he would be poisoning himself.

I've found that most of the info. on chemtrails gets passed around the same few sites and talked about until people believe it, or so it seems to me.

The author does mention HAARP facilities in other countries so I will explore that a bit more. So far though, all the HAARP stuff I've seen is just the same speculation about the Alaskan facility repeated on different websites.

The war on terror Orwellian nightmare is much more important and provable than all this stuff. And why not focus on the chemicals in our food? That is something everyone can be made aware of. I feel like this spraying/haarp/scalar is at least partly disinfo.

Hey, we scared our selves over y2k, anthrax attacks, bird flu. SARS, etc. It's not that hard to frighten the population. I've watched a few threads develop on this forum based around speculation and fear and then quickly fade away when people step back from what they have written and actually think it through.

Still, someone might prove me wrong, it could all be true. In the meantime I am going to continue to focus on what I can do now based on what I know for sure is currently taking place. It's easy to get side tracked, but it is also easy to stay focused.

Thanks for your posts though, at least you had a go. I'll bump this thread up again in a week or two and if no new info surfaces then, well, we know we can breathe easy.
Cheers
h....

lookfar

15-03-2007, 06:04 PM

Hehe, thanks:) I don't actually agree with the article, but just gave it to you as another point of view on the subject. It could be that those who are involved believe it's for the good of the planet etc & believe it would create mass hysteria... who knows???

I do know for a fact that they exist though as I've seen loads of them where I live & they're DEFINITELY not the same as contrails. I've even seen a few planes going overhead trailing & then stop & start trailing again.

Anyway, I'm not here to convince you either way - go with what you believe :)

Cheers

ho1ogram

15-03-2007, 06:31 PM

I do know for a fact that they exist though as I've seen loads of them where I live & they're DEFINITELY not the same as contrails. I've even seen a few planes going overhead trailing & then stop & start trailing again.

Anyway, I'm not here to convince you either way - go with what you believe :)

No worries, we'll do this again sometime, it was fun. :)

ho1ogram

16-03-2007, 05:39 PM

Well I'll be. Official confirmation of chemical spraying over an English city in the 1960's.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/norfolk/4507036.stm

lookfar

16-03-2007, 05:43 PM

Well I'll be. Official confirmation of chemical spraying over an English city in the 1960's.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/norfolk/4507036.stm

Hi ho1ogram

Interesting read. But don't tell me that you're only convinced after reading a BBC News article, surely this can't be... :) ;) :)

ho1ogram

16-03-2007, 05:52 PM

Hey, at least I found some official proof. I couldn't even find this on the chemmie websites, they don't seem to be doing a very good job of exposing this stuff. Now you lot in the UK have got a base to work from and can show your neighbours this as a precedent.

notaslave

16-03-2007, 06:43 PM

A small quantity of cadmium was sprayed over parts of the city as part of a Ministry of Defence experiment on chemical dispersal.

The Ministry of Defence said the experiment, which its scientists say was safe, was to "simulate the airborne dissemination" of biological warfare agents in the air. source BBC news link as above

Their arrogance is outstanding.

unicorn

19-03-2007, 11:37 PM

Well I'll be. Official confirmation of chemical spraying over an English city in the 1960's.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/norfolk/4507036.stm

Awesome find, thanks! How true... if you want to hide it, put it in the news! I'll be putting this link onto my website for all to see. What a gem!
Spread the word!!

tru3

20-03-2007, 12:48 AM

My understanding from Tom Beardons website (all the other sites seem to refer to him) is that it is an energy kind of like orgone, chi, life force or something. Is that right?

the way i understand it, a scalar wave is basically two complementary waves that create a "zero" point effect; basically the sine waves of the beam nullify each other, creating a dis-integration effect.

Torsion waves

Nikola Tesla around 1900 was the first to experiment with two spiral coils (caduceus shaped). He fed the two coils with opposing alternating currents such that they would create electromagnetic fields that would be self-cancelling. Although the electromagnetic fields were cancelled out, he demonstrated that his Tesla coils were nevertheless able to transmit energy over long distances. He had actually discovered a new form of energy. Remarkably Tesla’s waves did not loose its energy at the inverse square of the distance as normal electromagnetic energy does, even over long distances there was no loss of energy to be noticed.

Tesla’s work on this revolutionary new form of energy was almost forgotten in history. It retrospect it seems his work was too revolutionary to be accepted by society in the last century, especially its application of free-energy. This is why his work nearly disappeared without trace. Fortunately the same form of new energy was independently rediscovered in the nineteen fifties during the cold war behind the Iron Curtain by Russian astrophysicist Dr. Nikolai A. Kozyrev (1908-1983). Kozyrev’s discoveries were kept secret by the Soviet Union during the cold war. It was only after the fall of the Iron Curtain that Kozyrev’s discoveries were slowly revealed to the West. In the Soviet Union thousands of academics have delved into this subject after Kozyrev’s initial discovery of this new form of energy. Kozyrev proved the existence of the ether once and for all.

This new energy is neither electromagnetic in nature nor does it relate to gravity as it stands on its own. The new form of energy discovered by Kozyrev is a spiralling non-Hertzian electromagnetic wave that travels through the vacuum at super-luminal speeds, a billion times (10⁹ C) faster than light. Due to the spiralling nature of the wave, the wave is called a torsion wave since it traces a spiralling path! According to independent researcher David Wilcock the torsion wave also traces a perfect Phi spiral! Torsion waves are called non-Hertzian waves since they do not obey the classical theory of Hertz and Maxwell.

Einstein and Dr. Eli Cartan predicted the existence of static torsion fields in 1913 in a theory that became known as the Einstein-Cartan Theory, or ECT for short. Torsion fields never got very much interest in physics until Kozyrev discovered their actual existence.

http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/SODA_chapter6.html

j.p. morgan (and westinghouse, a major defense contractor) basically stole tesla's technology and ran him into the ground.

it wasn't until just recently that the u.s. even recognized non-electromagnetic energy. they had to finally, because of the russians.

ho1ogram

20-03-2007, 07:14 AM

Thanks tru3, that looks like a good web site. Now has anyone got any proof of scalar being used from space? The only evidence I've seen offered are what appear to be cloud shape anomalies. But there are quite often air currents travelling in different directions, vertically as well as horizontally, changes in air pressure, etc. Has no one experienced turbulence when travelling on an aeroplane? Not forgetting the fact that clouds are clouds, they all look weird. :) And why zap the clouds or atmosphere? Why not just zap us directly with scalar?

Anyway I'll look into it some more, I'm still sceptical. :)

sirian

08-04-2007, 05:11 PM

Please review Patricia Cori's book again
she does not say the Annunaki threw the grid around the planet to keep the Anu's here - you must be confusing it with another text.
the book, Atlantis Rising, describes how the Annunaki threw the grid around the planet to scramble the DNA material of Homo Sapiens!!

chattanova

21-04-2007, 01:16 PM

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chattanova

21-04-2007, 01:23 PM

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avatar

01-05-2007, 10:02 PM

http://orgoniteworks.blogspot.com/2007/04/aerosol-attack.html

chattanova

01-05-2007, 10:56 PM

Are chemtrails supposed to be happening rarely?
I see them many times weekly where I live..:(

chocousbro77

18-05-2007, 07:31 AM

Well for the past few wks in my area of raleigh nc usa, i have been noticing chem-trails in the sky in my neighborhood and I see the planes spreading it across the sky and helicopters flying while this was going on....then i noticed the weather was acting funny as in temperature drop when the weather is usually warm around this time and I started have a real bad allergies and my eczema really started acting up and other family members and other people i know that live in my area started feeling sick or allergies was bothering them....is this a sign that chem-trails is affecting this area or am i just being too conspiracised?

cruise4

08-07-2007, 01:13 AM

Michael Tsarion, google video, was where I heard about the ethereal barrier around earth.

Read that link about the Solar System going haywire, and I've seen this info from other sources including NASA. It seems a reasonable explanation... but don't they all.

This could be tested though. When they spray heavily somewhere could we check the Solar activity that day, or take time and distance into account and check the relevant day. Can we predict when they will spray from Solar Activity? Does barium, Carbon and Aluminium perform the task they claim?

Like the earlier poster I find it hard to fathom why people haven't actually exposed anything concrete with this. On some days there must be planes taking off constantly somewhere if true. Where's all the raw materials coming from? What plane types are doing the spraying. Why no tank change photos?

Imagine if Satan comes out the abyss as a reformed character?

neutron flux

20-07-2007, 02:12 AM

I thought I'd post this, with its links of Chemtrails and HAARP used as mind control:

I received the following message from someone with whom I have been having a interesting email exchange. He was responding to our podcast on Mind Control, HAARP, and the Coming Catastrophe. He didn't want to post it himself, hoping to preserve some anonymity, so I am posting it in his place. I removed a few personal references, but other than that, it is as he wrote it to me.

The dumbing down of the American public has been the subject of much speculation. It is blamed on the public school system, television, flouride in the water, computer games, and other things. The following looks at the use of technology:

My information only confirms the conclusions I heard on the podcast, but you know enough about it that maybe some of my anecdotes will confirm some things you've guessed for you as well.

You folks are right about HAARP, and that 'chemtrails' are an aspect of that system. What I know about these things is second hand, but not from reading internet sites (simulacra). I witnessed regular and elaborate grids laid out routinely over north New Mexico. I was struck by this as soon as I arrived to live there in March 2000. I lived just west of Santa Fe off of Hwy 599, an open highway but it was public knowledge that 599 is the 'disposal' route from Los Alamos labs for their radioactive waste. The public is advised to avoid if there's an emergency, but the disposal trucks travel the route to Texas with military escort unannounced. Shortly after locating there it happened that the Sandia forest had a serious fire that drove the scientists and personnel living around Los Alamos into Santa Fe. It became public television news that an acre of 'hot' waste had been kept in tents above ground for years, and for several days there was a scare that if the fire reached them that the smoke cloud would become radioactive(we could smell the smoke and see the haze in Santa Fe, so that was pretty 'real' to us). That didn't happen, but I saw many of these disposal trucks for a week speeding with hummer escort south on Hwy 599 past the residence.

At the time I knew nothing of Los Alamos except what all Americans know - that it was where the nuclear weapons had been developed. The entire time I lived in New Mexico, 2000-2004, that's what everyone in town assumed they still do primarily. And I did meet former personnel that spoke of the routine of radiation protective suits and wearing the badges that are used at the end of a shift to measure the daily radiation exposure of an employee and so on. Those guys I'm referring to were the common labor, the machine shops and general janitors who didn't know much.

But I did wonder, how many times do you need to develop nuclear warheads? What else were they working on there?

I only met a handful of technical people, engineers and one retired scientist. Security of the real secrets isn't very dramatic, labs with layers of classified to non-classified to top secret work going on organized such that the personality profiles of each layer behave exactly as they're tested for. And there is a 'Santaroga Barrier' aspect and vibe to career people working in these facilities -- they are controlled communities. The mind control is subtle, and it was that aspect that I was much more interested in comprehending than any kill widgets or deth gizmos they were up to in there.

The retired scientist I met was the type who only cared about his own interest, which was cold fusion. He'd been on the cold fusion team (his terms) for thirty years until, he said, the US government discontinued it. He had his own lab next to his beautiful home on the mountain, off Artist's Road, with a splendid view of the Los Alamos facility. Which, by the way, is a rectangle of titanium which buildings, white being so visible against the brownish lanscape of the high Desert as to be visible from orbit. Due to that I've wondered whether the facility isn't just a low level operation now with mostly what really would amount to 'makework', not the really secret stuff they'd be doing someplace nobody's ever heard of, and no doubt underground.

The only other person I knew who was employed not at Los Alamos, but at the Sandia Labs, is more interesting than Edmund Storms and his energy unimpressive home cold fusion laboratory. A last word about Storms....my intuition is that he and his team were probably set up by personality profile in full knowledge that they would never reach the breakthrough point. Intuition, because my reading of Storms is that he lacked the hubris that I think must be a trait in the scientists who do get the results. He's the type that likes the process of the experimentation -- playing with his test tubes and electron microscope too much. He's perfectly happy to say that cold fusion is decades away from being 'cracked' as a viable free energy source, and he believes that.
It would never occur to him that he may have been set up with a lab to conduct his timid experimentation for a lifetime, never intended to get results but just the opposite.

Have you ever read Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow? If you haven't it's a 'must read', for a novel. Regarding mind control triggers, you may have already suspected that J.D.Salinger, who supposedly wrote Catcher in the Rye was no author who came up with the book all by himself, but was one of the 'composites', a name put certain literature which is really written by teams. No one's figured out exactly what the triggers are in Catcher in the Rye that supposedly set John Hinkley and Mark David Chapman off into their assassin alters. I never have been certain whether to believe that Hinkley ever was under mind control in that sense at all, and that his trial and incarceration wasn't just theater. For all we really know he was CIA all along and went on to other assignments with his birth identity neatly tucked away in a mental institution, a real mind control victim serving as proxy, no doubt believing himself to be Hinkley.

And if you haven't seen the Paddy Chayevsky masterpiece Network in a while....take a freeze frame of the last scene, when the two television studio audience assassins stand up to gun down Howard Beal on national television. Doesn't one of them look a lot like Mark David Chapman would look in 1980? This film was released in 1976. The penultimate predictive programming masterpiece.

Yes, I've been aware of and studying mind control for a very long time. But I didn't realize the extent I was under control of it myself until 2002. But back to 2000-2001, the Santa Fe (chem)Trail ;-) , and suspicions of subtle mind control out of Sandia Labs.

Now, in 2000 I was still associating with people who were into the "occult". I'd been corresponding with the head handler of the OTO who lived in Santa Fe for a year before moving up there. His presentation at the time was still the hipster 'hippie', and he had his little circle of followers who met at his pueblo frequently. Sometimes for 'Resh', or Crowley's Gnostic psychodrama for catching the intrigue of the suckers on the outside to get them to want to get in deeper. The one with the silly costumes and incantations and hand signals, at the conclusion of which you get to quaff some wine and kiss a naked girl sitting on the alter....oops, I mean 'altar'. In 2000 they were still passing the bong around at these cozy gatherings. I gathered that the psychadelics which were abundant through the 90's had just been cut off...in Santa Fe...though I learned upon return to Texas that never slowed down in Austin.

So I already knew a bit about how formal occult cliques operate. You have your worshipful master, whatever he or she is called depending on the flavor of the draw, and that if that person thinks your fit material for programming pretty soon one of the members of whatever your sexual preference will start talking with you a lot and wanting to get personal. The one he picked for that role with me, or maybe she picked herself, was nice enough but not really my type. But she was working at the Sandia Labs in some classified capacity. The most interesting conversation I had with her, I confided my childhood experiences when I was living near a naval air station, things like having a year of insomnia from things like the bed vibrating each time I'd be on the cusp of sleep, and hums and such. Those phenomena has started abruptly and ended about as abruptly after several months.

She knew all about it, an proceeded to describe the same experiences in her home during he same years when this project was going on. MKDELTA. High band radio waves with a powerful transducer effect, both on things like bedsprings, and cranial bone.

I"ve had a knack....or used to.......for running into people out of heavy mind control histories. Like them all, she could speak of these things with first hand detail and matter of fact, since if you've been a subject it seems normal. But her department was evidently in the bio labs, another 'makework' project probably, she was too flaky to be involved in anything important--or secret--because only the real high functioning sociopaths with real hubris get to work in that stuff.

But I think I did meet one of those after all. In September 2000 I moved into Santa Fe near the Indian School, and my computer got hit by something that knocked out it's ability to download from the internet. I could connect, but not 'surf'. Another flaky woman I'd met who'd seen my ad for making web sites suggested a friend of hers, Cliff, whom she said did computer house calls and was excellent and affordable. I called him. He spend about 5 hours in my OS, and got it working. He removed an army of trojans and suggested I start using a firewall.

He seemed like the typical Santa Fe 50 year old technocrat who'd walked away from a career at Hewlitt Packard in Seattle to be a hippie malcontent. That's the story he told me. He also sounded paranoid to me, talking about 'special research' he was doing that had attracted NSA attention, warning me that the internet is a hand-me-down from DARPA and there's no such thing as privacy if you use it at all.

After he left I went to his web site, and on his page about his computer service, I found a link that took me into his site on chemtrails.
Now you've heard of this guy. It was Clifford Carnicorn...now very widely known as the first and most qualified chemtrail researcher on the internet. He's the one that as far back as 2000 got the 'toxins' story going. It was already on his web site, the story goes like this---

Working out of his house, he made crude weather balloons to send up into the residue of fresh trails. When recovered, he'd examine these, under a microscope, and doing home spectrography to see what was in the sample. So Carnicorn wrote the whole script on chemtrails containing -- aluminum, barium, but also bio hazardous suspicious stuff like red blood cells. And nasty bacteria that causes upper respiratory problems.

However, my maxim is 'don't believe what you read in the papers' ... During the four years I lived in Santa Fe, priveledged to see almost daily massive chemtrail gridding done by squadrons of high flying unmarked tankers of the Boeing 757 class, I heard much about the 'chemtrail people' convinced it was making people sick, reporting upper respiratory illness, flu like symptoms, and chronic fatique syndrome...but I did not experience these myself. And I never saw any of that 'angel hair' or 'matt of fibers' or 'yellow snow' you will find on all the chemtrail sites and Rense and all those people. Even Alan Watt pushes these chemtrail myths, though maybe he believes them as many people do.

But these memes begin with Carnicorn, and his web site was the very first to get this going. All those years I thought that Cliff Carnicorn was a re-tread hippie who'd left (or gotten downsized) from ordinary computer programming with Hewlett Packard, and that he was sincere. I never saw or corresponded with him except that day when he was in my house for 5 hours pretending to be a ne're-do-well PC repair guy.

Now get this. Last year, there was a chemtrails thread on another forum, and the administrator thinks the whole thing is rubbish, that people are imagining it, period. Naturally that fostered a division of posters some violently 'for' chemtrails, and others just a vehemently scoffing. I saw both were all wet in their conclusions, so I posted my experience that I'd witnessed them and mentioned Carnicorn as a reference site to find photos that I could confirm because he took them on dates when I saw those patterns being laid out myself.

But one of the forum posters who does actually research things, researched Carnicorn, and lo and behold he'd found out that Carnicorn, now by his own admission, was an atmospheric research scientist employed by the Department of Defense for eighteen years, ('retired'), who had top secret security clearance. Carnicorn's upgraded story is that he 'walked' on that career out of beginning to suspect that the DoD might be doing some research that might not be good for people! Same story he told me, except not Hewlett Packard, but DoD and atmospheric engineering to boot.

I felt a chill go up my spine recalling that this guy had been in my pc for half a day, realizing that nothing and nobody I encountered in Santa Fe had been so 'random' as I'd thought.

So Cliff is counterintelligence. That's confirmed, I think, at least for me.

But I'd not taken his site's word for it that chemtrails are for making us sick. They never made me sick. My own growing hypothesis from observing between 2000 and 2004 was that the operation was connected to Los Alamos research. And it had been Teller of Los Alamos who'd suggested high altitude spraying of aluminum particles, he said, to reflect solar radiation to counteract the 'greenhouse effect', which nowadays dovetails nicely with 'global warming' nonsense. Teller is the perfect example of a scientist who does have that maniacal ambition and hubris to go straight to the director's chair of the most evil projects and actually feed off that sense of power of millions of innocent lives. A deth dealer. So anything that Teller said publicly--you know it was lies and deception to throw anyone in the wrong direction.

What I did experience, and see everybody else experience, both in Santa Fe where there were chemtrails, and on my trips around the country, isn't people coughing but people lacking the basic emotional reaction to crisis. And lacking empathy to horror committed against innocents. And when I go into the city environs here, lack of facial and emotional affect.

It's like 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' and you obviously know what I mean, since you and your friends speak of precisely that on the 'POD' cast.

When I was in Florida for a couple of weeks in 2003, I didn't see chemtrails. When I moved here, haven't seen them except very rarely. I saw them for a few weeks before the Nov 2006 elections, that's about it.

So I've considered, 'why did people go numb, between 2003-2004, and stay that way since? The chemtrails aren't all there is to it. HAARP probably isn't all their is to it either.

What we have blanketing parts of Texas--the whole north Gulf Coast really--and Austin is microwave towers. And now everybody has a phone glued to their head anywhere they go, even have those 'blue tooth' things stuck in the ear.

I used a microwave phone for a few months in 1999, and didn't like it, so I haven't used anything by a land line since. If somebody wants to reach me when I'm out, they can leave a message on my machine. I grew up before this stuff, so I still find it creepy to hear somebody in a store say, 'hi' and start talking and there's 'nobody there'.

The mind control of the phones runs on mutliple levels ranging from behavior modification like that just from using the medium, to deeperlayers of altering brain structures. Now the towers are all over the place, you'd have to drive an hour or two away from a high population area to get out of their long range. I think that for those weak zones in the grid, that may be where the chemtrails and HAARP come in. They want FULL PLANETARY COVERAGE, 24/7, whether one has a phone glued to their skull or not. They're gonna 'reach out and touch someone', everyone. From the Amazon jungle to the Artic Circle.

So we're dumbed and numbed down now. But having studied the 'neurophone' and acoustical physics, and biofeedback brainwave technology back in the seventies when my techtronophile friends liked to play with this stuff, I know that they can make masses of people behave any way they want, just by adjusting the Hz.

When the Miami and LA riots happened in the early 90's, I knew that this is what they were experimenting with. At that time there was no microwave tower grid of the scope it's been since 1997, but cities could have concealed the technologies while it was still secret and figured the DIA was testing it on live populations. The 'rage' was triggered, and not just in those cities but in all cities during the 90's. Remember 'road rage'? People losing their tempers easily with clerks or people in stores during the 90's? I remember that during the Waco massacre, it was the first time I saw everyone go blank in Austin. And then from 1996 on everybody just seemed to go berserk. 1998 I saw needless auto wrecks every single day on the 183 semi-loop were I was working for a subidiary of Trilogy. That's where all the IT stuff was, all along that highway. I had lost my own business in 1998 and had to do temp work for a year. First job I got was delivery driver, so I was in and out of all the IT complexes loading docks and check points. DELL, Motorola, and a host of others. That 'culture' had come out of thin air in Austin between 1990-1996. They are definitely security conscious. Motorola for instance, uses military police at their checkpoints. I know the profile. And they had the heaviest security of all the complexes. Something going on there that was very secret. Going in and out of there wasn't just being flipped through a gate by saying 'Candy Gram', they detained you while they called in to a central office. Took a few minutes. Someone on the other end was checking out the car, driver's licence.

Well, that's my experience with this stuff. The world has completely changed since the mid 1990's, and they've 'done it' now. I wish I could just go back to the 70's...or better yet the 1870's and just stay there!

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/136757-Mind+Control+and+HAARP

lookfar

20-07-2007, 02:43 AM

Interesting read neutron flux, thanks for sharing :)

chattanova

15-08-2007, 09:24 PM

Depending on who you talk to, HAARP -- the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program --- is either an ionosphere-boiling superweapon, a giant mind control facility, a pork project par excellence, or some kind of defense against nukes in space. But no matter what the project does, one thing is clear: DARPA, the Pentagon's R&D arm, absolutely loves it. At last week's DARPATech conference, HAARP's main contractor was first on the list to receive an award from the agency:

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/9/8/15/f_haarpm_adfd14b.jpg
BAE Systems Advanced Technologies, Washington, D.C., received the award for Significant Technical Achievement for outstanding leadership and engineering innovation in the design, construction, and activation of the High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) instrument in Gakona, Alaska. The HAARP instrument is critical to the understanding and prediction of space weather for satellite operations at low earth orbit and is invaluable as a ground-based test bed for applications requiring a flexible source of high frequency, extremely low frequency, and very low frequency radiation.

These days, DARPA is funding HAARP through its cutely acronymed Slight of HAND project, which seeks to mitigate the effects of High Altitude Nuclear Detonations (HAND) on low earth orbiting spacecraft. Agency Director Tony Tether once headed a panel that advocated using HAARP to do just that (thus the likely origin of Sleight of HAND). And I've heard that, lately, he's been trying to drum up interest (and funding) for HAARP.

Everybody has a theory about why HAARP gets so much government love. Arms Control Wonk has pointed to possible financial interests. And then, well, there's the whole weather control theory. I've got no idea, so I'm just going to hope they announce a "public day" soon so I can check it out for myself.

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/08/darpa-hearts-ha.html

cheesedanish

24-08-2007, 12:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4i6OfAIRzo

This link no longer available :eek:

This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by UFO TV, Video Inc. company

Something they don't want us to see??

pierre_jean

22-09-2007, 11:14 PM

Amsterdam, 13 septembre 2007

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4136/new01jz8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

deca

22-09-2007, 11:18 PM

BAE system plays with HAARP

http://www.baesystems.com/Newsroom/NewsReleases/2004/press_10062004.html

The Office of Naval Research has awarded BAE Systems a $35.4 million contract to manufacture 132 high frequency (HF) transmitters for installation in the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Programs (HAARP) phased array antenna system. The contract was finalised April 19 with BAE Systems Information & Electronic Warfare Systems in Washington, D.C.

BAE Systems Information & Electronic Warfare Systems employs 5,700 people at 11 major facilities in eight states. The business unit is a major producer of aircraft self-protection systems and tactical surveillance and intelligence systems for all branches of the armed forces. Other major business areas include microwave, mission and space electronics; infrared imaging; and automated mission planning systems.

21_12_2012

08-11-2007, 12:19 AM

Manchester...can't remember the exact date, but it was a Saturday afternoon in late September.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3145/chemtrailsax2.jpg

21_12_2012

15-11-2007, 12:08 PM

15th November 2007
11 AM

Today is one of the worst days I've seen for chemtrails.

There are at least 20-30 trails over my area in Manchester.
Will try and post some pics later.

cruise4

03-12-2007, 03:38 PM

Anyone got any chemtrails being laid right now? They are busy above me and they are fairly low level compared to normal.

tootrue

06-12-2007, 11:26 PM

Ground-based observer Robert Cather: 'The sky was giving me energy..., but then they started...' - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2815320198655156407

chattanova

10-12-2007, 07:16 PM

I haven't seen them in weeks, today they were all over,
this one was very close and it headed almost straight upwards.
I wonder where the plain came from, the airport is in a totally other direction.

http://img40.picoodle.com/img/img40/5/12/10/f_DSC00569m_691c3bd.jpg

djpad34

10-12-2007, 11:46 PM

hi people this is my second post on here have been a lurker for a year or more

i made this youtube clip real quick but this is all filmed over my house !

apart from the first scene

films is about 8 mins long sorry for the cheesey music but you get the idea

filmed over 2nd and 3rd week of nov we have had heavy spray days all summer long real pisser

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anWbF-is78o direct link to clip enjoy

cruise4

10-12-2007, 11:58 PM

Thats some quite heavy coverage in parts. You must be getting a right dose. Anyone ill around by you?

djpad34

11-12-2007, 12:05 AM

yes my daughter is :( she is on a nasal sprays now all the time since this summer 4 yrs old chesty problems and after some heavy days of spraying i said to my wife, lauren will be ill again by end of the week and she is coughs / mucus/ being sick from it same story all this year

as for others in the area yes a lot of the kids that live round by us have weezing etc at times

but tel lpepole about chemtrails and they look at you as if you are crazy lol even though they are over our house daily most of that video footage is filmed 8-30 - 10 am most mornings befor i go to work then continues all day as for post that say its being quite i think not a lot of night spraying over here also i am that used to seeing it i see it is also so done on over cast days and v cloudy days just seems to be done at higher altitudes i guess

chattanova

12-12-2007, 05:57 PM

New Document Reveals Military Mystery's Powers

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For years, no military program has sparked more fevered speculation from conspiracy theorists than the mysterious High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, or HAARP. And for years, the Pentagon has been pooh-poohing speculation that the enormous collection of transmitters, radars, and magnetometers in Alaska was some sort of superweapon.

But, it turns out, the conspiracy theorists may not have been entirely off-base, after all.

Since its inception, there's been a huge range of opinion on what HAARP actually does: everything from a giant mind control facility to a space nuke countermeasure to a weather controller to an ionosphere-boiling mad science experiment to the mother of all pork projects has been suggested. But now that the program is actually up an running, military managers say the electronics array has much more benign use. "HAARP's main job is to produce radio waves to probe the ionosphere," an Air Force Research Laboratory officer said in October.

Which is true -- up to a point.

A drive by Clifford Stone on the X-Files-esque uber-site Above Top Secret to use the Freedom of Information Act to turn up UFO-related documents has led to the release of a fascinating report, HAARP: Research and Applications. It's from the Air Force Research Laboratory and Office of Naval Research, and it lays out the uses the military see for HAARP. Turns out the Pentagon wants some military bang for their buck from the program.

HAARP can actually perform a lot of militarily important functions, all involving the interactions of radio waves with the high atmosphere, magnetosphere and ionosphere.

http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/5/12/12/f_haarp4m_fd858dd.jpg

The document points out that "on the higher frequency end (VHF/UHF) transionospheric propagation is a ubiquitous element of numerous civilian and military communication systems, surveillance and remote sensing systems." In other words, messing with the ionosphere means you can shut down VHF radio, TV and radar signals at will. As radio hams know, the reflection and refraction effects of the ionosphere make a huge difference to long-range radio reception, and HAARP provides the only means of influencing that.

Another interesting feature is how HAARP can influence the 'auroral electrodynamic circuit', a natural flow of electricity with ranges from 100,000 to 1 million megawatts ("equivalent to 10 to 100 large power plants"). Messing with the electrical properties of the ionosphere means some of this tremendous flow of power can be changed at the flick of a switch. In effect, the natural flow can be modulated to create a gigantic low-frequency radio transmitter.

Which is extremely interesting to military types. Extremely low frequency, or ELF, waves can be used for submarine communications and for probing the planet; because of the way they propagate, HAARP can cover "a significant fraction of the Earth." The document says that the waves can be used for "seabed exploration" and even locating mines underwater, not to mention "underground target detection."

HAARP can also "induce precipitation of energetic particles" in the ionosphere, which "could impact the operation and lifespan of satellites." While this is mainly about protecting satellites from particles from solar flares or nuclear explosions, the phrasing suggests that it might be able to have a subtle negative impact on satellites as well.

At the High Frequency range, HAARP also has some useful tricks, including being able to "enhance ground-to-ground and satellite-to-ground links that would otherwise be marginal or absent." Its ability to create a radio-reflective layer means it can create new over-the-horizon capabilities for radio and radar systems. It can even act as a HF radar emitter itself.

The third band is optical and near-optical: HAARP can make lights in the sky. While we have looked at the effect of creating high-altitude plasmas before (as possible anti-missile defence), the document notes that it can also produce "airglow with megawatt power…in the IR [infrared] region of the spectrum." This has "significant military implications for IR detection and countermeasures." The picture with this shows the IR glow below a satellite, suggesting that the system may be able to blank out the view of IR satellites selectively. Given that such satellites are the best way of detecting the launch of ICBMs, this is a significant capability.

All in all, it's a set-up that can do a lot more than just basic research. And while this may not seem much compared to weather modification, remember that these are just the capabilities they're willing to make public...

ALSO:

* Ionosphere-Boiler Not a Superweapon, After All?
* DARPA Hearts HAARP; Tinfoil Hats Melt
* HAARP Facility Complete; Break out the Tinfoil hats

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/12/secret-document.html

fiery_truth

16-12-2007, 01:14 PM

I took this picture in the Cardiff area on 12/12/07

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/769/chemtrails121207gp5.jpg

rynath

14-01-2008, 10:59 PM

I took this picture in the Cardiff area on 12/12/07

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/769/chemtrails121207gp5.jpg

Good pic fiery. I don't see one natural cloud in the entire sky...all chems and haze from them.

fiery_truth

15-01-2008, 12:37 AM

Good pic fiery. I don't see one natural cloud in the entire sky...all chems and haze from them.

Thanks rynath, that was one of the worst days of spraying I have ever seen.

cruise4

24-01-2008, 11:42 AM

I filmed this 2 days ago, I've seen it 4 times this time I had cam with me, its my 1st vid, I was nearly blind with glare, my fingers numb with cold, this complete footage shows how the beam is faint to start with, builds in strength then then fades away over a period of 4-6 mins and always has a plane flying along it spaying or whaterver u want 2 call it. as I say 1st vid and I've cocked up with title durations I will re-edit soon. there is not much in the way of vids on this subject, so please help this get out there. I posted it last night, so far its only had 25 views, but its got 4 honors whatever they are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLD0_6je78

If this link does not work the title is

The dark beam with con?? trail

My Comment: The line I saw was tighter focused and had a plane flying along at the time. Other than that this is very similar but suggests dispersion (awaiting confirmation).

cruise4

24-01-2008, 11:44 AM

http://www.flurl.com/item/Weird_Cloud_u_306477

shellygurrrl

25-01-2008, 02:11 AM

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but:

http://www.newstarget.com/022158.html

On September 9th, 2007 several planes hired by the State of California Food and Agricultural Department (CDFA) flying at an altitude of approximately 500ft sprayed the untested biochemical, CheckMate®OLR-F, on over 30,000 citizens in Monterey and other surrounding cities in California. This occurred without the permission of the citizens. The spraying continued for three nights from approximately 8pm to 5am. About 1,500 pounds of biochemical were dumped on the cities. Many citizens did not even know what was happening when the planes were buzzing overhead.

shellygurrrl

25-01-2008, 02:15 AM

I took these in Florida:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/inthepink/shellypics/DSCN1267.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/inthepink/shellypics/DSCN1328.jpg

beldazar

30-01-2008, 11:44 AM

ive just posted on another thread, ive made a chembuster, i followed don crofts design to a tee and added 3 5ft extensions to every other pipe to cope with different altitudes, The sky is soooo clear!!! Even if you dont believe they work, just give it a go, you cant go wrong!! I have ABSOLUTE PROOF they work so find out for yourselves, I was strict in following dons instructions :D

andrewandrew

06-02-2008, 12:12 AM

Not sure if anyone has posted these yet, I don't have time to scan 5 pages to find out, but it seems that declassified Pentagon documents back up what HAARP is actually used for, climate control, domination of the inosphere and magnetosphere, and information / communication control:

“In 2003, then Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld signed a document called the Information Operation Roadmap which outlined, among other things, the Pentagon’s desire to dominate the entire electromagnetic spectrum.”

It basically outlines that domination of the earth’s electromagnetic spectrum is a key objective for Military ops, alongside control of information on the internet as part of an ongoing information warfare operation, to disable radio and network signals.

“We Must Improve Network and Electro-Magnetic Attack Capability. To prevail in an information-centric fight, it is increasingly important that our forces dominate the electromagnetic spectrum with attack capabilities.”

“Part of the Information Operation Roadmap’s plans for the internet are to “ensure the graceful degradation of the network rather than its collapse.” (page 45 of the report) This is presented in “defensive” terms, but presumably, it is as exclusively defensive as the Department of Defense.”

The declassified report can be found here: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB177/info_ops_roadmap.pdf

and here's a couple of articles -

http://www.knowledgedrivenrevolution.com/Articles/200711/20071112_IOR_2_EW.htm

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7980

Apologies if they have been posted already.

tootrue

16-03-2008, 10:46 AM

Hey
anyone notice any heaviness in the air, this morning

I kept trying to ignore it, but couldn't in the end :mad: :rolleyes:

truthseekeruk

21-03-2008, 06:53 PM

beldazar

21-03-2008, 08:52 PM

truthseekeruk

21-03-2008, 10:49 PM

good vid, thanks, yeah, I DO watch the skies quite a bit, I have seen them stop spraying mid air, do a u-turn and begin spraying again!
I had a chat with a guy that got me some metal from a work place and was talking to him about it, he is adamant they are normal con-trails and looked at me in a smug, condescending way, thinking im just a silly uneducated little girl, I will bet anything if a bloke down the pub had spoke the same words, he would have at least listened :mad:

My girlfriend also sent me some pics of chemtrails she had taken from her kitchen window. My 18 year old neice took pics of a grid spraying last week when she was in a car in kent with her mobile phone. The fellas in the car were trying to tell her they were normal contrails. But she held her own and they all sat there flumoxed - I taught her well :D

I do know what you mean because you are female you couldnt possibly know about ungirly things like jet contrails lol. Here is a link to a video which shows the difference between the two. It also explains about how the contrails are formed. It has some silly facts and figures in it. But I always find it seems to satisfy any males who doubt my credibility. Blind them with science and logic and watch their jaws drop its good fun :eek::D

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eEFITGpXwZk

beldazar

22-03-2008, 10:48 AM

Brilliant vid truthseekeruk, great music too! I would love to send him that to see but unfortunately he doesnt have a computer, I have explained to him that all he has to do is go on someones p.c. and google chemtrails but some people dont want to know! :(

madthumbs

22-03-2008, 04:08 PM

Does "wake up" mean "buy into my nonsense"?

Some of the pictures are of exhaust trails from private planes, contrails at lower altitudes, etc. There are many different kinds of clouds: We can't expect contrails, or plane exhaust to be consistent in nature if clouds aren't.

This isn't to say that chem-trails don't exist, but this video posted only serves to discredit people pushing it as whack-jobs who typically believe anything coming from the controlled opposition leaders.

beldazar

22-03-2008, 04:12 PM

yeah whatever!!! :D

tootrue

23-03-2008, 12:57 PM

i was just sent this link by my girlfriend its a time laspse video of chemtrails!!! Its continuous unless u watch the sky all day you wont see this!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WabzHXBJTHg&feature=related

Thanks libs mwah x

Hey man
can I post it on another forum - they are interested in chemtrails :D

Was this in the UK?

kweli

23-03-2008, 05:48 PM

Hey man
can I post it on another forum - they are interested in chemtrails :D

Was this in the UK?

There's some awesome information - - photos/videos/official reports on this site too, the lady who owns the site wants the info passed around, so feel free to use what you want.

http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/MATRIX/INDEXCHEMTRAILS.html

emerald

29-03-2008, 12:16 PM

Last nite was watching 4th episode from THE OUTER LIMITS and it fell rite in the place. First aliens say what seems to be an available truth, when one of them says to the priest: "All the religions from Earth have roots in our teachings", then they are put in a bad lite when they say: "We need their air, need to take all the oxygen from them. For this we must poison their air and when they will no more have it, they'll choke and die". More than clear...

beldazar

29-03-2008, 12:42 PM

funny you should say that! i watched 'they live' the other day and the guy on the telly said they were turning the atmosphere into their home planets one! (what a life we are living eh?)

emerald

29-03-2008, 12:44 PM

funny you should say that! i watched 'they live' the other day and the guy on the telly said they were turning the atmosphere into their home planets one! (what a life we are living eh?)

I saw "They live" and twice, dont worry...:) and I wish everybody wore those glasses...

maxuk

22-04-2008, 07:18 PM

Have we made a difference? I haven't seen a chemtrail for over a week - even saw some clouds like the ones I used to see when I was little!

over on the above top secret forums, theres a concerted effort to debunk chemtrails - often using the "bombers in 1945 left trails" retort (can you make parallels between propeller and jet engines?) , while I have seen the images that they refering to, I have also seen a huge number of pictures WITHOUT trails in them - your lucky if you can make a snap of the sky without the damn things lining the sky.

I was looking at a book about merchant ships from the 50's until present day 100's of pictures and no trails. Looking through my family albums (1960's to present day) - 100's pictures: no trails until the 2000's.

Max

maxuk

25-04-2008, 12:06 AM

Actually, I see what they are doing now; they are spraying at night.

just been out walking the dog and the night sky is covered with them - thick ones I haven't seen for a while.

Oh well.

max

beldazar

25-04-2008, 09:26 AM

Hi Max, I have been thinking about that. I have 3 chembusters in my garden and trails dont stick but every once in a while I wake up really early and see the sky covered with thick trails. I have worked out they are spraying at night.
But the other evening I saw trails being laid out and they only stuck when they were on the thick trails. I have a feeling that they are cloud-seeding first so the trails stick as chembusters dont get rid of clouds.
And to any debunkers......I know the difference between con and chemtrails thanks :)

morrissey

25-04-2008, 04:35 PM

http://www.rense.com/general79/chem.htm

tootrue

26-04-2008, 08:16 PM

cruise4

26-04-2008, 08:18 PM

http://www.canyonsworldwide.com/crystals/index.html

Quick... go fill this cave up with resin and metal shavings :D

tootrue

27-04-2008, 11:36 AM

just come across this - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qc0TWVtozio&feature=related !

What he says in the end is - '... it looks like rain, there is no really rain there, now, but there may be tomorrow...'! Chemtrails are often 'associated' with (next day) bad weather

dizzib

17-05-2008, 02:53 PM

Check this out! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=580_1210628568

beldazar

17-05-2008, 02:56 PM

holy shit! Whats wrong with people! Surely they MUST know theres something wrong!
Great find! :eek:

serpentoffire

18-05-2008, 08:33 PM

http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/?action=view&current=chemtrail.flv

eternal_spirit

23-05-2008, 09:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fesoLhwCUbw&feature=related

the_real_jazzroc

08-06-2008, 02:16 PM

Chemtrails are often 'associated' with (next day) bad weather
CONTRAILS become visible in a humid stratosphere.

A humid stratosphere precedes bad weather.

"Chemtrails" don't exist at all.

Try obtaining some education for yourself.

largejack

09-06-2008, 04:34 PM

There is no need to be so flaming rude just because we are not all big headed like you:mad: Ok then you prove to all of us on here that chemtrails do not exist Mr Scientist:D

the_real_jazzroc

09-06-2008, 05:11 PM

There is no need to be so flaming rude
I'm just direct. It is quite hypocritical on your part to accuse me of rudeness when you support "chemtrails". After all you are accusing innocents of indiscriminate homicide without proof. That's rude!

we are not all big headed like you
I think it is INCREDIBLY big-headed of you to assume that you, unlike scientists, don't have to study science to pronounce upon it.

you prove to all of us on here that chemtrails do not exist Mr Scientist
YOU are the one that claims "chemtrails" exist. Where's YOUR proof?

Papers have been published by scientists on contrails since 1953. Have you ever read one?

Scientists are people who are professional, undertake courses, train, and get to make, design, or use proper tools, prepare carefully researched experiments, publish results, get peer-reviewed, discover real truths, write books, and collect Nobel prizes and other awards from a grateful and intelligent society.

Just in case you hadn't a clue....

largejack

09-06-2008, 06:09 PM

I aint going to talk about chemtrails with you anymore because you just aint worth talking to. You talk out of your asshole Goodbye:D

beldazar

09-06-2008, 07:55 PM

largejack, just ignore him, hes a tw%t as far as I can see but at least marpat has found his soulmate :D

the_real_jazzroc

09-06-2008, 09:10 PM

asshole Goodbye
Goodbye asshole

the_real_jazzroc

09-06-2008, 09:13 PM

as far as I can see
There's a conundrum...

beldazar

09-06-2008, 09:17 PM

talking about yourself there........

largejack

10-06-2008, 12:52 PM

largejack, just ignore him, hes a tw%t as far as I can see but at least marpat has found his soulmate :D

Yes I am sure they will make perfect love together:D

hagbard_celine

10-06-2008, 06:37 PM

Cliff Carnicom on C2C:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJgX3FuCViU

(Sorry if anyone'sposted this before.)

the_real_jazzroc

10-06-2008, 06:59 PM

(Sorry if anyone's posted this before.)
Sorry you posted it at all.

Carnicom quacking about a sky he doesn't understand doesn't bear a moment's listening. Agency jobs to this... it must have been the way he "conducted his experiments".

It shows you can get away with being a bad "scientist" three times - then you're OUT.

largejack

10-06-2008, 08:54 PM

Sorry you posted it at all.

Carnicom quacking about a sky he doesn't understand doesn't bear a moment's listening. Agency jobs to this... it must have been the way he "conducted his experiments".

It shows you can get away with being a bad "scientist" three times - then you're OUT.

Oh and why did he get the sack, because he told the truth and by the way we are not conspiracy theorists we are truth seekers. And tell your mate Marpat that. And your aggressive tone aint getting you anywhere

the_real_jazzroc

10-06-2008, 11:24 PM

Oh and why did he get the sack, because he told the truth
I'm not sure he'd know the truth if it slapped him in the face...

we are not conspiracy theorists we are truth seekers
Good. Seek ye out a library and find ye the truth about "chemtrails" - that they don't exist... like so:

contrails normally exhibit a wide variation in appearance and that the descriptions and photographs of chemtrails are consistent with those of ordinary contrails. The changeover from turbojet to turbofan engines over the last twenty years has caused differences in the style and temperature of jet exhaust, resulting in a different appearance from what truth seekers remember contrails "used to look like".

And your aggressive tone ain't getting you anywhere
But this is my direct and informative tone...:confused:

lizzy

10-06-2008, 11:34 PM

I'm not sure he'd know the truth if it slapped him in the face...

Good. Seek ye out a library and find ye the truth about "chemtrails" - that they don't exist... like so:

contrails normally exhibit a wide variation in appearance and that the descriptions and photographs of chemtrails are consistent with those of ordinary contrails. The changeover from turbojet to turbofan engines over the last twenty years has caused differences in the style and temperature of jet exhaust, resulting in a different appearance from what truth seekers remember contrails "used to look like".

But this is my direct and informative tone...:confused:

Tenerife,LOL. are you paid enough to sell out.? LOL

the_real_jazzroc

11-06-2008, 12:33 AM

Tenerife, LOL. are you paid enough to sell out?
Check with the Bard of Ely.

Be careful with that slammed-shut mind of yours, and try not to step on your mouth. Keep your knuckles off the floor...

lizzy

11-06-2008, 12:46 AM

Check with the Bard of Ely.

Be careful with that slammed-shut mind of yours, and try not to step on your mouth. Keep your knuckles off the floor...

Got it, LOL. YOUR A TROGLADYTE DIS-INFO GOON.
LOL.:eek::eek::eek:.....

eternal_spirit

11-06-2008, 12:53 AM

Got it, LOL. YOUR A TROGLADYTE DIS-INFO GOON.
LOL.:eek::eek::eek:.....
............................

I think he was talking about himself a few line autobiography, about his love affair with mupet the monkey and jazzrocc's the organ grinder. They seem to dance to the same tune.....

eternal_spirit

11-06-2008, 01:03 AM

............................

I think he was talking about himself a few line autobiography, about his love affair with mupet the monkey and jazzrocc's the organ grinder. They seem to dance to the same tune.....

That's the question who's the monkey and who's the organ grinder. Or, maybe they just like to grind on each others organs. Below the belt maybe? Forgive the pun.

hagbard_celine

11-06-2008, 12:10 PM

Sorry you posted it at all.

Carnicom quacking about a sky he doesn't understand doesn't bear a moment's listening.

Think what you like about Carnicom, but it's always worth listening. Nobody is 100% wrong about anything. I'm still glad I posted it!;)

the_real_jazzroc

11-06-2008, 01:15 PM

Think what you like about Carnicom, but it's always worth listening. Nobody is 100% wrong about anything. I'm still glad I posted it!;)
OK, Hagbard. That's a mighty fine photograph you have there.

Carnicom has never been 100% right either.

Listening to him is like listening to a 'shell game'. Snippets of 'truth' interspersed with misdirection aren't my idea of fun. Under what cup is the ball? Ah, the "chemtrail" cup!

No matter that the composition of the atmosphere has been known for sixty years, Carnicom still acts as though the stratosphere has never existed. And the stratosphere's properties account for ALL of the physical properties of contrails formed in it which are attributed by adherents to "chemtrails". Except POISON.

He relies on two things: the stratosphere is almost invisible from the ground (therefore he may pretend it doesn't exist, and victims of his patter won't assume its existence), and the general public is scientifically illiterate and therefore gullible.

He is unlikely to be these latter two things, and hence he receives my scorn and detestation.

But I suppose he's making the best of his new career....

eternal_spirit

11-06-2008, 07:44 PM

Alan: The whole thing began with the Open Skies Treaty and every country in the West signed on to this. It was never explained to the public what it really was, although they did legally put a few paragraphs here and there in the newspapers in Canada and it was so vague that you didn't get much out of it except that foreign pilots were allowed to fly over Canadian and U.S. bases in various areas for observation purposes. However, when you look into it deeper and get copies of this Open Skies Treaty there are observers observing the observers. In other words, the observers are observing the ones that are spraying the public to make sure they're doing it. A second blurb occurred about a year ago in the Canadian newspapers, just one more paragraph, saying that now foreign pilots could use domestic Air Force planes to do the same duties over Canadian skies under the Open Skies Treaty, so it's under the Open Skies Treaty. The only countries that never signed it were China and a couple of the Far Eastern countries and Switzerland and they're the only countries who are not being sprayed.

Jackie: Would the jet planes then be carrying in their fuel?

Alan: It could be in the fuel and it could be in extra tanks. They can do it either way.

Jackie: But then the pilots that are flying these planes, they have to know that there's an extra tank on it?

Alan: They know what they're doing because if they were commercial aircraft they wouldn't be doing zigzag patterns across the skies.

Jackie: Hell no they wouldn't.

Alan: Either that or it's a very drunken pilot.

Jackie: No, but I was thinking of the military planes.

Alan: They know what they're doing and I think it's foreign pilots that will spray over Canada and the U.S. and the deal is that our pilots will be over there spraying their countries – kind of like a Dr. Strangelove policy, you see, and that makes perfect sense. No, it's not commercial aircraft because you can actually see the commercial aircraft with the usual contrails disappearing about a foot after--

Jackie: And they're flying very, very high.

Alan: Yes and in a straight line, whereas these guys do as you said checkerboard patterns. I've seen them do u-turns as well and the stuff that they lay down forms these odd-looking polymer clouds. Now we know that the polymer and that's what gives the rainbow bursts around the sun towards sunset especially.

Jackie: What is polymer?

Alan: Polymer is basically forms of plastic particles from polyethylene. They found in the 1950's that they could use this particular compound to bring viruses and bacteria down to a vast area and cover a large area and the polymer was the carrying agent. That was officially disclosed in the 1950's and they were actually testing some areas in Britain with it then to see if it would carry viruses or bacterium down to the ground and even under a National Health System of course they could have all the data of how many people had asthma or bronchial attacks et cetera. All the testing has been done and they're doing it for real now. I'm sure it will also weaken the immune system. We know for sure there's aluminum oxide in it and barium and--

Jackie: Now how do we know that for sure, Alan?

Alan: It has been tested and I know some people who've recently done tests on them.

Jackie: You know the people personally?

Alan: Yes and the last test had 2 percent per liter contained for aluminum oxide alone.

Jackie: And what is the aluminum oxide?

Alan: Aluminum oxide does a few things. It can be used in conjunction with HAARP and this has been disclosed a long time ago that HAARP, which travels with electromagnetic pulsations through the atmosphere, can act more effectively when it has metallic surfaces. In other words, it makes it more conductive that the air becomes conductive like a circuit and again if your target happens to be the population--

Jackie: When you say conductive are you taking about let's say if there's an electrical storm?

Alan: No. They send out pulses. In fact they said with HAARP they can literally pulse out messages which the public would receive in their head, and this is old technology, and so the more conductive the subject is by either inhaling or consuming or whatever, we're doing both, with aluminum oxide especially or any metallic substance. There's also copper, by the way, traces found in this spray.

Jackie: But more than the body can tolerate.

Alan: Copper should not be in rainwater or snow.

Jackie: Right. Because copper is one of the trace minerals that is found in the body, isn't it?

Alan: It is; but as I say, this is coming from rainwater. You've got copper in the sky.

Jackie: In other words, more copper than the body needs or can handle?

Alan: Yes, so they're making each individual a receptor, which makes perfect sense, and they have admitted that they've tried HAARP out on large population areas. Maine was one of the first main places that they tried it out on and they found out that easiest thing they can do, the simplest thing they can do is to create alterations and mood either from elation or to anger and depression and they found a tremendous high suicide rate at that time. They found domesticated animals were going crazy and biting their owners and so alternations of moods are easily affected with HAARP and depending on the frequency they use they can also make you elated, as though you were drugged basically and happy.

Jackie: Mood swings, in other words. Then these people who have the mood swings they get diagnosed as being bipolar and they get given drugs.

Alan: This all falls in together but it also after time especially the aluminum oxide will help destroy your immune system and since they do – this is the regular television CBC news and BBC news, they keep having international conferences every month or so talking about the inevitable flu that's going to come around the world and kill most of the people and they keep saying it's just round the corner. It's just round the corner and so they are lowering our resistance to fight off something which should not kill us, but if we're weakened in our resistance it very well might, so this is deliberate planning to control and at the same time to start the culling process. There's no doubt about it. That's the function of it. Now again Zbigniew Brzezinski--

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_on_Sweet_Liberty_Jul122005.html

the_real_jazzroc

12-06-2008, 01:39 AM

AlanBlah / there are observers observing the observers.
There are observers observing the observers observing the observers observing the observers observing the observers?

In other words, the observers are observing the ones that are spraying the public to make sure they're doing it.
Oh, I see. The proof? Oh, you say so. I get it.

Blah blah The only countries that never signed it were China and a couple of the Far Eastern countries and Switzerland and they're the only countries who are not being sprayed.
Poor Switzerland wasted its time, because it will get it from Germany, Italy
and France. That's where spraying from seven miles up getsya.

Would the jet planes then be carrying (it) in their fuel?
There's a filter in that line! Engines go out when metal dusts pass through them!

It could be in the fuel and it could be in extra tanks. They can do it either way.
Doesn't make sense.

But then the pilots that are flying these planes, they have to know that there's an extra tank on it?
Well, military can do ANYTHING with tanks - BUT NOT WITH ENGINES.

They know what they're doing because if they were commercial aircraft they wouldn't be doing zigzag patterns across the skies.
But commercial shuttle flight DO produce grids in the skies!

No, but I was thinking of the military planes.
A failure of understanding?

They know what they're doing and I think it's foreign pilots that will spray over Canada and the U.S. and the deal is that our pilots will be over there spraying their countries – kind of like a Dr. Strangelove policy, you see, and that makes perfect sense.
I see "You poison my people and I'll poison yours." Makes perfect sense!

No, it's not commercial aircraft because you can actually see the commercial aircraft with the usual contrails disappearing about a foot after--
About a foot after WHAT?

And they're flying very, very high.
I see - military planes flying very, very high?

Yes and in a straight line, whereas these guys do as you said checkerboard patterns.
Civil shuttle flights produce checkerboard patterns in a moving stratosphere.

I've seen them do u-turns as well and the stuff that they lay down forms these odd-looking polymer clouds.
"Polymer" clouds? Polymers through 2000 degree exhausts?

Now we know that the polymer and that's what gives the rainbow bursts around the sun towards sunset especially.
(Cough) Sorry, too much bunkum makes me cough. Rainbows form round the sun only when there are clear droplets of water between you and it.

What is polymer?
Bunkum Alert!

Polymer is basically forms of plastic particles from polyethylene.
PURE CRYSTALLIZED BUNKUM.

POLYMER ISN'T A MATERIAL. IT IS AN ABSTRACT CONCEPT meaning a material made by covalently joining together MONOMERS. Maybe his English is bad - polyethylene is a polymer - but it doesn't bode well.

Finely-divided polyethylene (VERY finely-divided to pass through a low-micron filter) will BURN JUST LIKE JET FUEL. Result: thrust (plus smoke).

They found in the 1950's that they could use this particular compound to bring viruses and bacteria down to a vast area and cover a large area and the polymer(ic fibre?) was the carrying agent.
SEE ABOVE.

That was officially disclosed / BLAH / National Health System / BLAH /asthma or bronchial attacks et cetera.
What a wheeze (quote old stories) (COUGH) BUNKUM!

All the testing has been done and they're doing it for real now.
Psychic psychosis imminent....

I'm sure it will also weaken the immune system.
Psychic psychosis arrived.... he's sure an insoluble material will weaken the immune system.

We know for sure there's aluminum oxide in it and barium and--

Now how do we know that for sure, Alan?
How do we know that for sure, Alan?

It has been tested and I know some people who've recently done tests on them.
RAINWATER. BUT HE'S NOT SAYIN'. (COUGH) (BUNKUM)

You know the people personally?
HMM.

Yes and the last test had 2 percent per liter contained for aluminum oxide alone.
OH GOD - BUNKUM INDETERMINACY STRIKES AGAIN! 2 percent? 2 percent what? Why "per liter"?

And what is the aluminum oxide?
(It's a stable oxide of Aluminum. Finely-divided, its found in WHITE PAINT. Coarsely-divided, it's found in sand-paper and grinding wheels.)

HAARP, which travels with electromagnetic pulsations through the atmosphere
Really? I thought it was a radio station in North America!

if your target happens to be the population--
I suppose one might call that a "leap of faith".

HAARP they can literally pulse out messages which the public would receive in their head
It's true. I'm getting tired now.... must be the HAARP message "You are being bored to death by desperate lying BUNKUM".

old technology/more conductive/also copper/more than the body can tolerate/trace minerals that is found in the body, isn't it?
My house water pipes are made of copper. Are yours? Time to get rid of 'em. I'll keep mine, and buy yours.

It is; but as I say, this is coming from rainwater.
I KNEW IT!

each individual a receptor/ large population areas/ create alterations and mood/ high suicide/ domesticated animals/ crazy/ elated/ drugged/ happy/Mood swing/bipolar/drugs/destroy your immune system/inevitable flu/kill most of the people/just round the corner/lowering our resistance/should not kill us/weakened/planning to control/start the culling process/Zbigniew Brzezinski--
GOSH - I'VE HEARD ALL THIS BULLSHIT BEFORE.

Well, whatever-your-name-is, keep'em coming.

I thought Harold Steptoe had died... or will ANY rag-and-bone man's tawdry opinion satisfy you?

niftygifter

01-07-2008, 03:27 PM

Strange days strange skies.

Read the air report following chemtrials, zoom in and READ.

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies;jsessionid=sgdop9yje1.zebr a_s?p=10&n=1&m=-1&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=3

What does it take:rolleyes:

Nifty:cool:

eternal_spirit

19-07-2008, 06:28 PM

http://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1202980#i

This and more at link

Chemtrails contain genetically engineered pathogens as well, and my research indicates we have ALL been infected, and we all have chronic man-made disease from the weaponized pathogens sprayed in the chemtrails.

Again, see the "red wine spit test" for proof.

'Red Wine Spit Test'

Background: Precipitates foreign nanotech fibers/parasites through the gums in upwards of 99% of the human population. Most likely infective vector is chemtrails (sky aerosol spraying) due to high structural similarity between pathogens and the aerosol fibers.

http://www.carnicom.com/wine2.jpg
Mouth rinse fibers, after drying, in a chemtrail nanotech positive subject.

http://www.carnicom.com/genpop1a.jpg
Subject No. 1. Male subject aged 55 years. No visible "Morgellons"symptoms.
Dental-gum expelled sample. Sample extracted with use of hydrogen peroxide-red wine mix.
(please refer to Morgellons: A Natural Medicine Approach, by Gwen Scott N.D.)
Three pathogenic forms visible: bounding filament (black border),
sub-micron interior filament network (blue arrows) and Chlamydia-like organisms(red circles).
These same pathogenic forms repeatedly found in an individual with
visible skin anomalies characteristic of the so-called "Morgellons" condition.
Magnification approx. 7000x.

'Red Wine Spit Test': Materials and Procedure

Materials:

Plastic bathroom cups.
3% H2O2 (http://www.curezone.org/c/?http://curezone.com/diseases/cancer/h2o2.asp) (Hydrogen Peroxide)
Merlot Red Wine (use approx a $10 bottle)
Measuring spoons
Toothbrush/toothpaste
Watch or clock

Procedure:

1) Brush teeth very well.
2) Rinse mouth with water thoroughly.
3) Mix 2tsp (10mL) of Merlot Red Wine with 1tsp (5mL) Hydrogen Peroxide in a plastic cup.
4) Use the red wine / peroxide solution as a mouth rinse; Rinse mouth *vigorously* with the wine/peroxide solution for exactly five minutes. Make sure to swish it in your cheeks+gums, etc for the full 5 mins.
5) Now spit all the rinse into a bathroom cup.
6) Carefully examine the rinse for fibers. They are invariably present, and should look somewhat like wet chewing tobacco. Prepare to be shocked and upset. These are components of nanotech pathogens which we have all been infected with, most likely via chemtrails.

Optional
7) You can add 91% or higher IPA (Isopropyl Alcohol) to the precipitated fibers to remove the red pigment caused by the wine. The fibers generally float like a jellyfish on top of the IPA.

original source:

http://www.carnicom.com/morgobs7.htm

"pathogens and the general population":

http://www.carnicom.com/morgobs6.htm

Further information:
watch "Aerosol Crimes" at

http://video.google.com (http://video.google.com/)

niftymage

02-08-2008, 03:28 AM

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/6486/haarp_1_of_2/

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/6487/haarp_2_of_2/

designzzzz

01-09-2008, 11:13 PM

http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm is one of many links that describe the who, what , how, and why's of chemtrails. I noticed about 4 years ago and then noticed that we would get rain 2 days later. Now it is drought!. The United Stated Navy Airforce is in control of this program and you know how military follow orders without question.
When you have eyes you will see and ears, you will hear.
Take care to live in the moment it is the only one you have.
Megan

Hi ho1ogram

I can understand where you're coming from & agree that there does seem to be a definite lack of 'insiders' coming forward with real proof wrt chemtrails. Although I can understand why they wouldn't want to as it would certainly jeopardise their position.

However, I recall reading this from the UK Chemtrails link going back some & wonder if this has anything to do with the reason...???

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/solar.html
This article was taken from http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails.htm

Be interested in what you think...

tootrue

06-09-2008, 08:50 PM

So now it's Global warming they are blocking - http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/sep/01/climatechange.endangeredhabitats

hagbard_celine

07-09-2008, 11:31 AM

So now it's Global warming they are blocking - http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/sep/01/climatechange.endangeredhabitats

This is the "footprints" of the chemtrail project. And there are others clues to its origins and purpose; look at this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CiayeC1Rf2g&feature=email

A similar experiment took place in the USA, in San Francisco. In this case a biological agent was sprayed made up of bacteria bred from natural soil germs. The symptoms were said to resemble a very mild cold, totally harmless. but in the end a number of elderly and asthmatic people died from it.:mad:

hagbard_celine

07-09-2008, 11:37 AM

So now it's Global warming they are blocking - http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/sep/01/climatechange.endangeredhabitats

I saw something on TV as a small child that I’ve never forgotten: In those days I was a big fan of the BBC’s technology show Tomorrow’s World. In one episode, in about 1980 to 1983, they did up the studio floor as a picture of the Earth covered by a polythene dome and with a car running its engine inside to demonstrate global warming. They said that a solution to the problem was to change the Earth’s atmosphere by adding chemicals to it. This would reduce global warming. However it would have the serious side-effects of turning the sky white instead of blue and would increase acid rain a lot. This is it!:eek: People say there's no evidence? Well the evidence is there in scientific proposals and suggested actions! They even publicize it on prime-time TV!

It could be that the aeroplane pilots involved in this are doing so in all innocence. They may believe that they are involved in a secret project, yes, but a secret project connected to the public hysteria about global warming. The best way to conceal a big conspiracy is to hide it behind a smaller one.

This is chemtrails!:eek: This is that very proposal in operation, only it’s being done in secret to stop people kicking up about it!

deca

08-09-2008, 04:32 PM

Heres the chapter on mind control from a book on haarp
Turning the electrojet into a virtual antenna could put the ability to broadcast in the ELF and/ or microwave ranges into the hands of the Conspiracy. In this chapter I want to explore some of the more sinister possibilities associated with this technology, as well as fill in some more of the historical background. The point of this chapter is to establish that there are individuals an government agencies who have a passion to develop mind control technology, and to show that they have the potential to consummate these desires with HAARP.

you can download the complete chapter Here
http://cid-dc07e0698ba2abdf.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/PDFS/mindcontrolhaarp.pdf

lizzy

08-09-2008, 05:04 PM

Thankyou ES, h-c and deca,:)

I have d/l the article and vid....

I believe chemtrails and HARRP are the are dangerous of all the insidious things they do to us , ( beside forced vaccinations).....

I heard it said recently that unless they stop , it's " GAME OVER".......

tootrue

08-09-2008, 08:44 PM

I saw something on TV as a small child that I’ve never forgotten: In those days I was a big fan of the BBC’s technology show Tomorrow’s World. In one episode, in about 1980 to 1983, they did up the studio floor as a picture of the Earth covered by a polythene dome and with a car running its engine inside to demonstrate global warming. They said that a solution to the problem was to change the Earth’s atmosphere by adding chemicals to it. This would reduce global warming. However it would have the serious side-effects of turning the sky white instead of blue and would increase acid rain a lot. This is it!:eek: People say there's no evidence? Well the evidence is there in scientific proposals and suggested actions! They even publicize it on prime-time TV!

It could be that the aeroplane pilots involved in this are doing so in all innocence. They may believe that they are involved in a secret project, yes, but a secret project connected to the public hysteria about global warming. The best way to conceal a big conspiracy is to hide it behind a smaller one.

This is chemtrails!:eek: This is that very proposal in operation, only it’s being done in secret to stop people kicking up about it!

I absolutely agree.
And these guys have somehow created an epidemic of "Flu" (only it is not really 'flu', is it?)

hagbard_celine

09-09-2008, 11:41 AM

I absolutely agree.
And these guys have somehow created an epidemic of "Flu" (only it is not really 'flu', is it?)

Yeah, a doctor once told me that medics were confused over how flu doesn't spread like a normal epidemic; it seems to appear over a huge area at exactly the same time.:confused:

tootrue

09-09-2008, 07:58 PM

Yeah, a doctor once told me that medics were confused over how flu doesn't spread like a normal epidemic; it seems to appear over a huge area at exactly the same time.:confused:

Well, something else is interesting. A month ago me and a mate both suffered flu-like symptoms, and during this time we both got this white secretion - that would come out of the nose, when we sneezed!

We both joked that it looked alot like the chemtrails, above - but come to think about it it's not that funny!!

hagbard_celine

10-09-2008, 09:00 AM

Well, something else is interesting. A month ago me and a mate both suffered flu-like symptoms, and during this time we both got this white secretion - that would come out of the nose, when we sneezed!

We both joked that it looked alot like the chemtrails, above - but come to think about it it's not that funny!!

Weird symptoms!:confused: I'll let you know if I come down with it.

crowd control

18-10-2008, 03:30 AM

who has heard of the link between Chemtrails & Morgellons ?

a friend sent me a link today
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=A_YGAy1j9Gw&feature=PlayList&p=53D4F79DB70CD0DC&index=12

regarding this, on it was the following instruction

08.MORGELLONS THE BEAST 24 Videos
MORGELLONS ie; THE PLAGUE
THE REASON FOR CHEMTRAILS!!!!!!!
.
TAKE A SIP OF RED WINE SWISH AND GARGLE. REPEAT, THEN SPIT IT ONTO A NAPKIN, ETC.
SEE ANY FIBER OR STRINGS?
.
Swab infected area with RED wine for several minutes.
Look for Triangle, Diamond, Arrow shapes to appear under the skin.
.
Do a Google, Flicker, Morgellons image search.
Note SAME shapes as above...
.
Do a Google, Youtube, Flicker, etc. Chemcloud image search.
Note SAME shapes above,
in the CLOUDS...
.
They're a direct match.
.
Add HAARP/Or Other Waves.
The ITCH begins.

apparently there are nano organism in the trails?

lostinstrangeworld

27-11-2008, 08:44 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgellons

Moving Morgellons disease organism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKW0bCcfvPE

beldazar

27-11-2008, 09:50 PM

couldnt read all the wiki information there, got far too annoyed! Calling it delusional parasitosis? Claiming the fibres are from clothing??? And treating the disease with anti-psychotics????? :mad:

lostinstrangeworld

27-11-2008, 11:19 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALjuYBHDzc&feature=related

"...and the kind of power I'm talking about, which is the real power- will triumph in the end...because evil of this magnitude always, always always fails of its own core of its own contradiction of its own evilness"

lostinstrangeworld

09-12-2008, 09:06 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IbrZRzFjW4&feature=related

lostinstrangeworld

09-12-2008, 09:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFT1pGoaumk&feature=related

Ian2day

20-12-2008, 11:59 AM

I don't think that HAARP is about weather manipulation. It is to do with manipulation of Targetted Individuals, just not fo the weather.

jesuitsdidit

23-12-2008, 09:57 PM

apparently everytime they use haarp it blows a hole ?15km across in the ionosphere
this being so, perhaps the earth blanket effect of the atmosphere is impaired

i must say, the info on glob warmg seems very contradictory and confusing..

beldazar

23-12-2008, 11:05 PM

Have you two read this article? the story starts talking about HAARP :)

http://www.viewzone.com/vz.message.html

From about 6 pages in, various snippets

Eastlund had been working with the Atlantic Richfield Company, holders of a massive reserve of natural gas under Alaska's north slope. ARCO bought Eastlund's first two patents with the understanding that this new technology would make it possible for their natural gas reserves, too expensive to be piped from Alaska, to be converted to electrical energy on the north slope, and then bounced off the heated ionosphere to customers in remote locations around the globe. Also, because Eastlund's "heaters" could elevate the Earth's ionosphere, his discovery provided the ability to control weather! Jet streams could be altered, tornadoes could be zapped and rain could be made-- anywhere and anytime-- right here and right now! This was definitely getting interesting.
********************
But it seemed the military had other plans. Yellow hilights marked the last several pages. The military had purchased these two patents from ARCO and had given them to Raytheon, a military contractor. So there would be no civilian use for this new technology after all. Was that it? Was this the "terrible" thing that had placed me on this cold jet, heading for icy Fairbanks? Or was there more to the story?
*********************
The area was remote, yet there were signs that it was well groomed and forested. When we reached the top of a ridge I could see an enormous area below us that was covered with rows and rows of metal poles - antennae -and small silver rectangular sheds where black cables originated.

Dave said that this was a phased array, but Jonas explained that this was a type of antenna where the signal being sent out could be focused to a very narrow beam - like a laser - and that it was capable of emitting a signal that was billions of watts in power.
********************
At one point I questioned why an antenna system would be buried between such high ridges. "Wouldn't that interfere with the signal?"

"Not if you're sending it straight up!" Jonas explained that this energy was used to heat a layer of the atmosphere, to cause it to bend and thicken, and that it would then be ready for the "death ray."

"Death Ray! What do you mean by that?" I
******************
"It's about the HAARP thing in Gakona, right? It's not a weapon really. Is that what you are going to explain to me?"

"HAARP? Shit no. That's a fake decoy for the public. Everyone knows about that. They even have a web site with one of those instant cam things and a few dozen antennae. That's just a thing for show so they can say that it's all harmless and open. No way. But I do have something to confess to you... hang on, I'll be right back."

celtic isis

26-12-2008, 08:25 PM

Hope this is the right place to post these, here are some photos i took from my bro in law's balcony about a month ago...

Chemtrails over southern France:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1618/dsc00068sf2.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00068sf2.jpg)
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/dsc00068sf2.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img155/dsc00068sf2.jpg/1/)

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/5623/dsc00069bc2.jpg (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00069bc2.jpg)
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/dsc00069bc2.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img399/dsc00069bc2.jpg/1/)

celtic isis

26-12-2008, 08:38 PM

have to post this on it own cause it comes up HUGE :o

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/9599/dsc00067cs4.jpg (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00067cs4.jpg)
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/dsc00067cs4.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img399/dsc00067cs4.jpg/1/)

Ian2day

26-12-2008, 11:28 PM

transmit messages to those being controlled by Phillps and Microsoft/US army intelligence/CIA. The implants are put in place to receive the low frequency Haarp transmission during childhood operations such as tonsils or agnoids. Any fine tuning is carried out if you ever visit Nuremburg in Germany. ALong with some NLP MK-Ultra monarch manchurian candidate command sublimal shit done in layers at lose weight or stop smoking sessions with local unknown or international renowed CIA trained individuals. Plenty of people are receiving these meesages but are not pshychologically striong enough to withstand the "from god" voice in there head. This voice is delivering via audiatory nerve implants lyrics delivered via ultra low frequency transmission to loads of people who become diagnosed with various different mental illness and psychological problems. It is all a plot to discredit and controll individuals that they deem to be a either a resource to exploit or a threat. Silent weapson and all that. Or it is all a delusional rant of mine. You decide.;)

http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46968

bootee

15-01-2009, 11:28 AM

Its amazing how many people don't even notice these bloody things.
I finally thought I'd escaped Chemtrails when I moved out of Melbourne. But sure enough, they show up over the ocean in Anglesea, which is a tiny little seaside town.
I decided to make this T-shirt to see what kind of reaction I get from people.
I'm also amazed at the amount of "environmentalists" who have never heard of them ....or HAARP.

http://www.3dmodelstudio.com/3dModelStudio/pics/t-shirt/chemtrail_Tshirt_Bootee.jpg (http://www.zazzle.com/investigate_chemtrails_t_shirt-235231433440254269?gl=Bootee&group=mens&lifeStyle=all)

cleopatraxxx

22-01-2009, 02:38 AM

cleopatraxxx

22-01-2009, 02:44 AM

cleopatraxxx

22-01-2009, 02:46 AM

i found this picture by accident. it is a beautiful photo. anyone noticed anything interesting /strange in it? clouds sky....???
any opinions??
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/2525578.jpg

ayomide

23-01-2009, 07:27 AM

They even using bird now!!

http://widelec.org/stuff/odpowiedni_kadr/odpowiedni_kadr_06.jpg

celtic isis

23-01-2009, 02:07 PM

celtic isis

23-01-2009, 02:11 PM

They even using bird now!!

http://widelec.org/stuff/odpowiedni_kadr/odpowiedni_kadr_06.jpg

haha :o

seriously though, i had never noticed chemtrails round here when i first came, and now they're everywhere, all the time the sky is criss crossed...like the pics i posted previously...

it's really weird.

And saying that, the south of france has never had so much rain, this year and last year, the same time i began to notice the chemtrails.

venividivici2311

25-01-2009, 03:22 PM

Hey guys,
Allot of chemtrail here today,im in the netherlands,a filmed a very thick one right above our town.....sick bastards:mad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_uybd3QEjw&feature=channel_page

ayomide

26-01-2009, 12:47 AM

haha :o

seriously though, i had never noticed chemtrails round here when i first came, and now they're everywhere, all the time the sky is criss crossed...like the pics i posted previously...

it's really weird.

And saying that, the south of france has never had so much rain, this year and last year, the same time i began to notice the chemtrails.

I wonder what happened to the pic :confused:

Anyway - I hardly see chemtrails here in Namibia or in South Africa. I do not know much about it but I understand it.
Here it's still either clear skies or nice clouds and sunlight or the best weather one can have in Namibia - RAIN lol. I'll upload some pictures provided that they don't get taken off.

Dry hot weather, humid and scarce rainfall is becoming prevalent here - but the air quality is good at least - not much air pollution here. Only weird things happening here are shooting stars at night and military planes flying down south to South Africa.. you hardly see military planes in Namibian airspace but now they common. And the occasional contrail from a commercial jet flying down south to FACT.

anthony65

26-01-2009, 05:04 PM

I wonder what happened to the pic :confused:

Anyway - I hardly see chemtrails here in Namibia or in South Africa. I do not know much about it but I understand it.
Here it's still either clear skies or nice clouds and sunlight or the best weather one can have in Namibia - RAIN lol. I'll upload some pictures provided that they don't get taken off.

Dry hot weather, humid and scarce rainfall is becoming prevalent here - but the air quality is good at least - not much air pollution here. Only weird things happening here are shooting stars at night and military planes flying down south to South Africa.. you hardly see military planes in Namibian airspace but now they common. And the occasional contrail from a commercial jet flying down south to FACT.

Great to hear that it's raining down in Namibia! :)

More than usual?

Have you noted more green than usual?

gaias child

26-01-2009, 06:12 PM

cleopatraxxx

27-01-2009, 07:17 AM

ayomide

27-01-2009, 08:54 AM

Great to hear that it's raining down in Namibia! :)

More than usual?

Have you noted more green than usual?

Actually yes - it is more greener, it only started a week or two ago but just mild thunderstorms. Apart from that it's very hot and suns always out. We had some showers today...

Should I be looking into it?

anthony65

27-01-2009, 09:00 AM

Actually yes - it is more greener, it only started a week or two ago but just mild thunderstorms. Apart from that it's very hot and suns always out. We had some showers today...

Should I be looking into it?

This might interest you!

http://www.warriormatrix.com/about5523.html

ayomide

27-01-2009, 09:30 AM

This might interest you!

http://www.warriormatrix.com/about5523.html

Thanx for the link - some really interesting stuff - I never knew off.

brooksagnew

28-01-2009, 06:43 AM

If you really want to know about HAARP, get the documentary "Holes in Heaven." It was refilmed in December by the History Channel, and will be airing in about two months, featuring a new experiment that was built just for this refilming. I can't tell you what the name of the series is, because I have an agrement with the History Channel, but please contact me if you want more information at x2-radio.com

ayomide

04-02-2009, 01:48 AM

What's up with the snow in London? I thought it doesn't snow there - anyone have info?

beldazar

04-02-2009, 12:35 PM

Well it does, just not that often. Somebody posted this link on the site yesterday which sounds interesting...

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=16677

Just one piece taken off the site..

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject:

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Ten Years Into The
Chemtrail-Wars

The Breakdown Of The Immune System
By Ilya Sandra Perlingieri, PhD
Ilya Sandra Perlingieri, Ph.D.

This winter of discontent, the New England states have been hit with one after another particularly strange snowstorms. The previous 2007-08 winter was also similar. The snow smells full of chemicals, as it comes down uniformly and looks like manufactured snow that is used on ski slopes (i.e., fluffy, packed powder). Sometimes, the falling snow stops abruptly, and does not trail off, as it used to do. It is definitely not the same snow that, for millions of years, used to be provided by Mother Nature, in all her magnificence.

Snow is now provided by the US military, the Pentagon, and commercial planes especially equipped to dump on us highly toxic aerosols, from various altitudes. No doubt, these chemical mixtures are created in some secret US bio-weapons laboratory. With enormous egotistical hubris, the Air Force is already on record as saying that they "want to own the weather by 2025."(1) No longer a Star Trek or Star Wars movie fantasy, some of this is already a reality with the now more than 60 Clandestine Weather Modification programs that assault us daily. Despite this, there is a weather news blackout about Chemtrails. The exception is meteorologist Kevin Martin who reports Chemtrails on his website.

There has been absolutely NO PUBLIC DISCUSSION about Chemtrails! Over the past 10 years, not one public official has replied to the countless concerned citizen phone calls or letters. That's due to these "programs [being] secret because the Federal EPA and State Environmental Quality Agencies need to 'not know' about the by-products of the metabolites of biological, illegal, and [extremely] harmful agents are. It is for that reason the projects [have] been declared secret from citizens. It is all illegal under federal and state law."(2) Congress is complicit in this cover-up. So, we are the unwitting guinea pigs in a now global military assault of such magnitude that they are massive war crimes. Federal agencies may deliberately want not to know, but, nevertheless, Chemtrails continue to affect us detrimentally.

According to United States Code, Title 50, Chapter 32, Section 1520a, it is illegal "to use a civilian population for testing of chemical or biological agents." Will Thomas, who also has been writing about Chemtrails for a decade, has a Chemtrail Petition to Congress posted on his website:www.willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/Chemtrails_Congressi onal_Petiti.html

This past year, there has been an increase in supposed "unexplained" spontaneous nosebleeds of such severity (as if a water faucet had been turned on full tilt) that they require emergency hospital care. I know of several instances where people (both on the East and West coasts) have been rushed to a hospital because the nose-bleeding would not stop. This seems to affect elderly as well as the very young. Allopathic doctors seem baffled and have no explanation as to why there is this increase.

These serious nosebleeds are not happening just for humans. All mammals are also affected. Several people I know with dogs and cats that have had water-faucet nosebleeds. Last year, I had to rush my own calico cat to the Vet, as her nose would not stop bleeding. The Vet had no explanation.

However, those who read the reliable Chemtrail literature most especially Clifford Carnicom's outstanding website [<http://www.carnicom.com>www.carnicom.com] and Will Thomas' website [<http://www.willthomasonline.net>www.willthomasonline.net]-- are aware of the link between breathing high levels of barium-laced air and what it is detrimentally doing to all of us, including its dangerous effect on our entire immune system Environmentally, among other things, Chemtrails are dramatically changing "the salt levels in our soils."(3) Mr. Carnicom (whom I have had the great pleasure of meeting and discussing this nightmare poisoning) has been one of the outstanding private citizen researchers who has been reporting for more than 10 years about the deadly effects of Chemtrails. Dr. Gwen Scott, ND, is also reporting some of the disastrous illnesses that now are linked to Chemtrail toxicity. A copyright free and highly informative documentary is available for a nominal fee on his website. This DVD should be required viewing for everyone.

Barium is an earth mineral; and, as numerous researchers have reported, it is known to be toxic to all mammals. Now, it is used to poison us. It is part of the aerosolized, chemical brew that is in our air, snow, and rain we breathe. Aerosol release of barium is associated with having less oxygen to breathe. It is also linked with increased sinus pressure and uncontrolled nosebleeds. This past week, several friends told me that they had had nosebleeds so severe that it took more than 20 minutes to stop. During this latest snowstorm, I believe possibly there were more chemicals added to the already toxic brew that was dumped on us. Two friends called me and said that several hours later, after blood had coagulated in their nostrils, when they blew their noses, another nosebleed the ensued. This may also mean that fibrinogen, essential for blood-clotting, has been compromised by the constant assault of breathing these illegal poisons for so many years.

This is not a one-factor issue. Rather, the multiple layers of harmful Chemtrail poisons multiply to dangerous levels that become life threatening. "No case data is available from the medical community on the long-term effects of barium on the human body."(4) We, as an entire population of millions/billions, are the guinea pigs for heinous secret military bio-warfare agendas.

Other illnesses linked to chronic exposure to Chemtrails also include [This list is expanded from Note #4, see below]:
1. Lung bleeds (in addition to nosebleeds), high rates of asthma [20-million Americans have it; and of those 6.8 million are children] and other pulmonary allergies. Lung cancer is at an all-time high with 196,252 cases reported in 2007 (the most recent CDC figures available).

2. Bronchitis, flu-like symptoms, and pneumonia (now at epidemic rates). These are not responding to the usual antibiotics [perhaps in part because of overuse for minor medical illnesses and, also, because it may not be the kind of pneumonia physicians are used to seeing]. "The EPA reports that sub-micron particles bypass lung filters and enter the blood stream, triggering high blood pressure that can cause heart attack within two hours of inhalation. Researchers document 'a significant increase' in the number of stroke victims when PM [particulate matter] pollutant levels rise."(5) Particulate matter air pollution is dangerous with those who have chronic lung diseases, including chronic obstructive pulmonary disease [COPD, which includes bronchitis and emphysema].

3. Night sweats and/or unexplained fevers [not related to menopause symptoms].

4. Gastro-intestinal problems (for all ages, and this also includes pets. This may be linked to unexplained chronic vomiting in cats and dogs that also is on the rise).

5. Skin: Extremely dry and cracked skin and lips (even during warm weather); sores that do not heal or suddenly appear and disappear; fungal infections that do not heal or take a long time to do so; accelerated aging of the skin (sometimes noticeable in a matter of weeks or months).

6. Hearing: an abrupt or sudden loss of hearing, sometime partial deafness, tinnitus, and dizziness often reported just before or right after storms or new weather fronts, including heavy fog).

7. Eyes: blurry vision (this, too, can be related to a new, Chemtrail-laden weather front coming in), and an increase in cataracts (even for the young).

8. Short-term memory loss (due to high rates of aerosol spraying of nano-particles of fiberglass-coated aluminum, a known link with brain dysfunction) and mental confusion or "being in a fog" for young and old alike, especially after heavy fog banks and mists filled with Chemtrail toxins.

9. Auto-immune disorders on the increase (Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Lyme disease, Rheumatoid Arthritis, LUPIS, thyroid disease).

A brand-new report in the current issue of the journal "Health Affairs"(6) indicates that more Americans are heavily burdened and "experiencing multiple chronic conditionswith three or more chronic illnesses."[see #9, above] "Chronic disease accounts for three-fourths of the more than $2 trillion spent on health care yearly in the United States."(7) While there is this multiple medical burden increase, there is no mention in journal reports of the Chemtrails toxicity links. Again, a massive cover-up and the need "not to know" continues to put us a high risk.

Obviously, this is an extremely complex problem. We are now living in a world heavily polluted with more than 100,000 chemicals, most of which have never been tested for human safety, as I have noted in my book, "The Uterine Crisis."( All of this, quite literally, bodes an extremely grave situation for all of us. Much of these air-born toxins are filled with particulate matter that is highly injurious to our entire, already greatly compromised, immune system. Particulate matter also can target our lungs and cause havoc from asthma (now at record numbers) to cardio-pulmonary illnesses.(9)

Over the past eight years, we have witnessed the deliberate destruction of 30 years of environmental laws by the Bush Administration. This has greatly eased and/or eliminated any corporate accountability and responsibility but it comes at our expense. So, now we are living in a nation just barely- that has ignored or destroyed basic Constitutional laws ratified, more than 200-years ago, in 1787. Now, we have a third stolen election with support from a compliant and complicit Congress and Judiciary, with tremendous help from a corporate-controlled mass media. This situation leaves the majority of American's totally clueless as to what has actually is happening in our now lost country.

While the rule of law in our country is gone, Marshall Law is now set in place for nefarious and illegal reasons. Without our original Constitutional rules and environmental laws to guide us --many set in place for our safety and to protect us- it is a nonsense shot for any reliable, good health. Our immune systems are now under daily, toxic assault.

It is likely that medical journals will, in due course, report "unexplained" illnesses, including these serious nosebleeds.(9) To date, however, there appears to be no interest or awareness of our on-going crisis.

On a clear morning, after a three-day snowstorm, the sun has finally come out. My Winter Garden is completely covered with snow. The evergreens are draped in their white mantle. The blue jays, doves, chickadees, and goldfinches are perched high up in the oak, sugar maple, and pine trees. Spots of their blue, tan, and gold feathers stand out amidst the sparkling snow. Somewhere nearby, I hear a woodpecker tapping away. It looks like a picture-perfect, idyllic winter scene.

However, these days in our US Orwellian world, scenes from our daily lives can be greatly deceiving.

It is the day before an illegal US inauguration, made even tragically more so because this is the first black man in our history to supposedly "be elected" president. Although he may quote Dr. Martin Luther King on this day of remembrance, he is unfit to carry Dr. King's mantle forward.(10) Over the past few months many lawsuits have been brought forth about his questionable status as a Constitutionally "natural born citizen." They have been dismissed --even by our Supreme Court, the highest court in the land. Checks and balances are now gone. The Constitutional illegality of his assuming this role, means we have a third stolen election. What does it mean when he takes an oath of office "to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States"? Was it, perhaps, a guilty conscience, where the words of the Oath of Office were flubbed, as noted in The New York Times?(11) So, now we have another governmental sham. Henceforth, all laws that will be passed are, de facto, Constitutionally illegal. How many Americans know this, given that the media no longer is independent of deliberate bias and corruption?

For a short time, the Chemtrail artificial clouds in this morning's sky are nowhere to be seen. The blanket of white fluff that I shoveled this morning, so the birds could have some seeds to eat, has an unmistakable awful chemical smell. The air is no longer fresh and clean, as it used to be. Having tested my snow in 2007, I know that this smell comes from the poisons that invisibly cover my garden poisons that include barium, aluminum, and other toxic micro-organisms. I am not the only one who has had snow or rain tested. Reports are confirmed all over the US, as well as from Germany and Italy.(12) This no longer is the snow of my childhood in which I played all bundled up in my snowsuit and woolen mittens, sledded, made snowmen, and laughed with glee as I threw snowballs. This white "beauty" that surrounds my garden is a complete illusion. My garden, and every other one where the snow has fallen around New England, is now a poisoned blanket one that will eventually melt and then continue to poison the soil and ground water. It will continue to poison all the mammals in my garden: the squirrels, mice, rabbits, deer, moose, the hedgehogs, and even our neighborhood feral cats.

Within less than an hour, as I am writing this essay, the somewhat washed-out blue sky has been supplanted by a blanket of grey sky. Not individual clouds of a grey winter morning, these are a cover of Chemtrail poisons. Within less than two hours, from horizon to horizon, the sky is now a monochromatic, pearly white. The snow is no longer safe. It will poison all those children who love to play in the snow. I worry tremendously about the extreme dangers Chemtrail-laden snow poses to my innocent grandchildren. Chemtrails are poisoning everything.

Extrapolating from the New England states blanketed with heavy snowfall or torrential rains in the southeast, this means that we are completely covered in a poisonous brew of chemicals the exact composition of which is only known secretly to the US military and their malevolent researchers. These poisons enter our bodies, not just by breathing and the food we eat, but also though the untested heinous use of nanotechnology.

For those who know of the importance of eating a safer organic foods, these are now compromised (even with the now meaningless FDA organic seal), because they have been grown (or fed) in Chemtrail-laden soil that has covered us for more than 10 years. The poisons are now throughout the entire food chain and a complex, but rapidly deteriorating web of life.

Where is the entire organic community of farmers, companies, non-profit organizations, and millions of Americans who spend more for food that is supposedly safer? Why are they not demanding a total cessation of Chemtrail poisoning? The entire raison d'etre for this multi-billion dollar organics movement is to have a SAFER FOOD SUPPLY! Where is any real food safety with toxic Chemtrail aerosols? The FDA organic label no longer has any meaning when the soil and water are so heavily laden with Chemtrail poisons. Do we get it? We are eating poisoned "organic" food? It is an oxymoron. Why isn't this entire ORGANICS community with its huge financial clout pressuring those in charge to have this insanity stopped?

Now this toxicity is in food chain. We humans are at the very top of this deadly food chain deliberately poisoned by those in the military and other governmental agencies supposedly established to protect us. This invisible scenario is wrecking total havoc for our entire web-of-life. As I have repeatedly written:
INVISIBLE DOES NOT MEAN SAFE.
So now, when it snows we have, I believe, a growing epidemic of uncontrollable nosebleeds and other illnesses that are directly attributable to the toxicity of these illegal Chemtrail aerosols. They continue to severely damage our now compromised "health," while those in charge are still not held accountable for this grave and deliberate damage! Dr. Joyce R. Young, ND, has told me on several occasions that: "Americans are not sick enough yet. That's why nothing is being done."

As illnesses are rapidly increasing, the time is exceeding short for any remedies. Is that the elite's plan? What kind of healthy, productive lives can any of us REALISTICALLY HAVE, when we are being deliberately poisoned every day? How will our children and grandchildren survive in this poisoned atmosphere? Millions of them are already critically ill. Can we yet wake up, DEMAND a cessation of this on-going poisonous nightmare, and gather together the urgently needed grassroots peaceful political will, while there are enough citizens who still have some health remaining? Where is our collective moral outrage?

Educator and environmental writer Dr. Ilya Sandra Perlingieri is the author of "The Uterine Crisis," which London's "The Ecologist" notes is "a must read."

NOTES:

1, An August 1996 paper presented to USAF, "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025."See:http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:Dzs97GIkXrQJ:csat.au.af .mil/2025/volume3/vo

l3ch15.pdf+owning+the+weather&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&client=opera

2. See: http://home1.gte.net/quakker/documents/chemtrails_over_America-2,htm

3. See: Clifford E. Carnicom. "The Salts of our Soils." www.Carnicom.com/soil.htm

4. See: "Biological Detection."

http://home1.gte.net/quakker/documents/chemtrails_over_America-2,htm; and: "Chemtrails Update June 2008"

www.willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/Chemtrails_Updates_

June_2008.html; and "MD Slams Chemtrails" Letter from Dr. J. Michael Pece:

www.willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/MD_Slams_Chemtrails.html

5. "Tiny Airborne Particles Pose Grave Health Threat." "Idaho Observer" May/04. Posted Dec. 29, 2003, on:www.willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/Chemtrails_Timeline_2.htm l

6."Health Affairs" The Policy Journal of the Health Sphere. January/February 2009, vol. 28, no. 1:http://content.healthaffairs.org/current.shtml]

7. Will Dunham. "More Americans getting multiple chronic illnesses." Jan. 6, 2009:www.reuters.com/articleid=USTRE5050S920090106

8. See also: Ruth Winter's books for listings of thousands of toxic chemicals: "A Consumer's Dictionary of Food Additives" and "A Consumer's Dictionary of Cosmetic Additives."

9. A cursory word check for "Chemtrails" or "nosebleeds" this week at various medical websites including, "JAMA" [Journal of the American Medical Association], "The Lancet" in London, Science News, Science Daily and several other medical site came up with nothing. However, JAMA has an article on particulate air pollution that could be linked to the toxicity of persistent Chemtrails. See: C.A. Pope, et al. "Lung Cancer, cardiopulmonary mortality, and long-term exposure to fine particulate air pollution." JAMA. March 6, 2002. Vol. 287, No. 9: 1132-1141.

10. See: Andrew Hughes. "Betraying the Legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King," Martin Luther King Day precedes the historic inauguration of America's first African American President.

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11. Adam Liptak. "I Do Solemnly Swear(Line Please?)" The New York Times. Jan. 20, 2009:http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/i-do-solemnly-swear /?scp=1&sq=oath%20of

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12. Dr. Hildegarde Staninger. "Texas Chemtrail Samples Compared to Samples From Venice, Italy." Nov. 27, 2007: www/rense.com/general79/chemm.htm

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The snow smells full of chemicals, as it comes down uniformly and looks like manufactured snow that is used on ski slopes (i.e., fluffy, packed powder).

Funny this,Monday morning as I was flailing the snow off the car I was aware of a chemical smell,which I thought was unusual.
I think I've got used to it since and don't notice it!

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Me......
I noticed that the snow seemed 'different' we hardly ever get it where I live but it seemed powdery and so easy to mould. Ive never been on a ski slope and Im hardly an expert on snow!

Lets hope this isnt true :(

cleopatraxxx

05-02-2009, 02:03 PM

Beldazar, !
THANK YOU for the great article
loaded of info

you think that approaching any mainstream news paper here in the UK will be useful? asking them to print this article???

cheers

Cleo

no wonder i had pleurisy as soon as i arrived here in the UK.~
my mom in law has just got a pulmonary infection too! no wonder:mad:

beldazar

05-02-2009, 02:14 PM

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Project HAARP: The Pentagon's provocative plan to superheat the earth's ionosphere

In an Arctic compound 200 miles east of Anchorage, Alaska, the Pentagon has erected a powerful transmitter designed to beam more than a gigawatt of energy into the upper reaches of the atmosphere. Known as Project HAARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program), the $30 million experiment involves the world's largest "ionospheric heater," a prototype device designed to zap the skies hundreds of miles above the earth with high-frequency radio waves.
Why irradiate the charged particles of the ionosphere (which when energized by natural processes make up the lovely and famous phenomenon known as the Northern Lights)? According to the U.S. Navy and Air Force, co-sponsors of the project, "to observe the complex natural variations of Alaska's ionosphere." That, says the Pentagon, and also to develop new forms of communications and surveillance technologies that will enable the military to send signals to nuclear submarines and to peer deep underground.

60 Greatest Conspiracies first reported on HAARP more than a year ago. Since then, inquiring Internauts have blamed the peculiar project for everything from UFO activity to major power outages in the Western United States, to, most recently, the downing of TWA Flight 800. (The Pentagon maintains that the HAARP array has been inactive since late last year.) Some have dubbed it the "Pentagon's doomsday death ray." Though many of these theories are, well, creatively amplified, an assortment of more grounded critics--environmentalists, Native Americans and Alaskan citizens among them--argue that the military does indeed have Strangelovian plans for this unusual hardware, applications ranging from "Star Wars" missile defense schemes to weather modification plots and perhaps even mind control experiments.

The HAARP complex is situated within a 23-acre lot in a relatively isolated region near the town of Gakona. When the final phase of the project is completed in 1997, the military will have erected 180 towers, 72 feet in height, forming a "high-power, high frequency phased array radio transmitter" capable of beaming in the 2.5-10 megahertz frequency range, at more than 3 gigawatts of power (3 billion watts).

According to the Navy and Air Force, HAARP "will be used to introduce a small, known amount of energy into a specific ionospheric layer" anywhere from several miles to several tens of miles in radius. Not surprisingly, Navy and Air Force PR (posted on the official HAARP World Wide Web Internet site, an effort to combat the bad press the project has generated), downplays both the environmental impacts of the project and purported offensive uses of the technology.
However, a series of patents owned by the defense contractor managing the HAARP project suggests that the Pentagon might indeed have more ambitious designs. In fact, one of those patents was classified by the Navy for several years during the 1980s. The key document in the bunch is U.S. Patent number 4,686,605, considered by HAARP critics to be the "smoking raygun," so to speak. Held by ARCO Power Technologies, Inc. (APTI), the ARCO subsidiary contracted to build HAARP, this patent describes an ionospheric heater very similar to the HAARP heater invented by Bernard J. Eastlund, a Texas physicist. In the patent--subsequently published on the Internet by foes of HAARP--Eastlund describes a fantastic offensive and defensive weapon that would do any megalomaniacal James Bond super villain proud.

According to the patent, Eastlund's invention would heat plumes of charged particles in the ionosphere, making it possible to, for starters, selectively "disrupt microwave transmissions of satellites" and "cause interference with or even total disruption of communications over a large portion of the earth." But like his hopped up ions, Eastlund was just warming up. Per the patent text, the physicist's "method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere" would also:

"cause confusion of or interference with or even complete disruption of guidance systems employed by even the most sophisticated of airplanes and missiles";

"not only... interfere with third-party communications, but [also] take advantage of one or more such beams to carry out a communications network at the same time. Put another way, what is used to disrupt another's communications can be employed by one knowledgeable of this invention as a communications network at the same time";

"pick up communication signals of others for intelligence purposes";

facilitate "missile or aircraft destruction, deflection, or confusion" by lifting large regions of the atmosphere "to an unexpectedly high altitude so that missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces with resultant destruction or deflection of same."
If Eastlund's brainchild sounds like a recipe for that onetime Cold War panacea, the Strategic Defense Initiative (AKA "Star Wars"), it's probably no coincidence. The APTI/Eastlund patent was filed during the final days of the Reagan administration, when plans for high-tech missile defense systems were still all the rage. But Eastlund's blue-sky vision went far beyond the usual Star Wars prescriptions of the day and suggested even more unusual uses for his patented ionospheric heater.
"Weather modification," the patent states, "is possible by... altering upper atmospheric wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of particles which will act as a lens or focusing device." As a result, an artificially heated could focus a "vast amount of sunlight on selected portions of the earth."

HAARP officials deny any link to Eastlund's patents or plans. But several key details suggest otherwise. For starters, APTI, holder of the Eastlund patents, continues to manage the HAARP project. During the summer of 1994, ARCO sold APTI to E-Systems, a defense contractor known for counter-surveillance projects. E-Systems, in turn, is currently owned by Raytheon, one of the world's largest defense contractors and maker of the SCUD-busting Patriot missile. All of which suggests that more than just simple atmospheric science is going on in the HAARP compound.

What's more, one of the APTI/Eastlund patents singles out Alaska as the ideal site for a high-frequency ionospheric heater because "magnetic field lines... which extend to desirable altitudes for this invention, intersect the earth in Alaska." APTI also rates Alaska as an ideal location given its close proximity to an ample source of fuel to power the project: the vast reserves of natural gas in the North Slope region--reserves owned by APTI parent company ARCO.

Eastlund also contradicts the official military line. He told National Public Radio that a secret military project to develop his work was launched during the late 1980s. And in the May/June 1994 issue of Microwave News, Eastlund suggested that "The HAARP project obviously looks a lot like the first step" toward the designs outlined in his patents.

Eastlund's patent really trips into conspiratorial territory in its "References Cited" section. Two of the sources documented by Eastlund are New York Times articles from 1915 and 1940 profiling Nikola Tesla, a giant in the annals of Conspiratorial History. Tesla, a brilliant inventor and contemporary of Edison, developed hundreds of patents during his lifetime, and is often credited with developing radio before Marconi, among a host of other firsts. Of course, mainstream science has never fully acknowledged Tesla's contributions, and his later pronouncements (he vowed that he had developed a technology that could split the earth asunder) have left him straddling that familiar historical territory where genius meets crackpot. Not surprisingly, fringe science and conspiracy theory have made Tesla something of a patron saint. Whenever, talk radio buzz or Internet discussion turns to alleged government experiments to cause earthquakes or modify weather, references to government-suppressed "Tesla Technology" are sure to follow.

Of course, mainstream science has never fully acknowledged Tesla's contributions, and his later pronouncements (he vowed that he had developed a technology that could split the earth asunder) have left him straddling that familiar historical territory where genius meets crackpot. Not surprisingly, fringe science and conspiracy theory have made Tesla something of a patron saint. Whenever, talk radio buzz or Internet discussion turns to alleged government experiments to cause earthquakes or modify weather, references to government-suppressed "Tesla Technology" are sure to follow.

Judging from the APTI patent, Tesla was a major inspiration for Eastlund ionospheric heater. The first New York Times article, dated September 22, 1940, reports that Tesla, then 84 years old, "stands ready to divulge to the United States Government the secret of his 'teleforce,' with which, he said, airplane motors would be melted at a distance of 250 miles, so that an invisible Chinese Wall of Defense would be built around the country." Quoting Tesla, the Times story continues: "This new type of force, Mr. Tesla said, would operate through a beam one hundred-millionth of a square centimeter in diameter, and could be generated from a special plant that would cost no more than $2,000,000 and would take only about three months to construct."

The second New York Times story, dated December 8, 1915, describes one of Tesla's more well-known patents, a transmitter that would "project electrical energy in any amount to any distance and apply it for innumerable purposes, both in war and peace."

The similarity of Tesla's ideas to Eastlund's invention are remarkable, and by extension the overlap between Tesla and HAARP technology is downright intriguing. Apparently, APTI and the Pentagon are taking Eastlund's--and by extension, Tesla's--ideas seriously.

Eastlund seems to agree. As he told one journalist/conspiracy pathfinder: "HAARP is the perfect first step towards a plan like mine. ...The government will say it isn't so, but if it quacks like a duck and it looks like a duck, there's a good chance it is a duck."

© 1996 by Jonathan Vankin and John Whalen

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06-03-2009, 09:07 AM

H.A.A.R.P. - Continued

AND NOW FOR THE WEATHER …..

Those that don't think that the corporations run the World must have been living in a cave for the last 30 years. This 1984 Orwellian fictional place we inhabit is getting more and more non-fictional every day. 20 years ago anyone that thought that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK was labeled a kook. Five years ago Oliver Stone made the majority of the Country question the Oswald single shooter theory and now there's a convicted killer in Joliet State prison that made a very believable video confessing to being part of the crew that did the job.
Our Government's curtain of lies has more holes in it than a sieve and more and more hidden agendas are coming out every day. 15 years ago UFOs were being reported by civilians and pilots almost every day over the Western desert States and they were fired or discredited until a few years ago when the Government unveiled the Stealth Fighter and bomber which had been test flown there for years.

One of the most sinister secret control plans was buried as atmospheric research that was covering up a weather control system and underneath the shroud of that is a mind control system that makes subliminal flashes a joke. On October 17th 1977 there was a hearing in Congress by the Committee on Science and Technology that was briefed by THE WEATHER MODIFICATION ADVISORY BOARD (WMAB).

WMAB was chaired by Harlan Cleveland. Harlan (who when working for the U.S. Senate during the Kennedy Johnson years tried to bring Alger Hiss back into Government) has a long history of trying to establish a New World Order (Based on the idea that Corporations and Banks have the best plans for the future of Mankind). His plans include:
1 Create a World food bank,
2 Provide for international control of all sources and supplies,
3 Internationalize commodity markets,
4 Establish international control over the wealth of the oceans and deep seabeds,
5 Provide for international control of the "weather at human command",
6 rewrite the rules of trade and investment,
7 Create a world currency,
8 create a world police to "keep the peace when is threatened and restore the peace when it is broken," and
9 Provide special programs to teach the benefits of the New Order in each of six categories of American institutions, namely business, corporations, labor unions, nonprofit enterprises, communications media, educational systems and government agencies.

There was a name for this style of Government and it is called Socialism. It failed in Nazi Germany but they still want to force it on the rest of us. Now they have a major hammer. Nicolas Tesla discovered thousands of uses for Electricity and many of his ideas are only now coming into being because of the technology and huge power demands required. He theorized that 10hz of Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) beams bounced through the Earth and up into the ionosphere would start electron resonance 50 kilometers above the Earth. This would effect thunderstorms by causing a dielectric breakdown above the clouds and forcing them to release their energy and water in a non natural way.

Meanwhile back in Congress they believed it enough to investigate and try to regulate it. The Congressmen set up what they thought would be adequate measures to regulate it but when the military found that the same beams could effect the guidance systems of Rockets and Airplanes and it could disrupt the communications of entire countries suddenly it dropped from sight, became TOP SECRET and had tons of money thrown at it. Also the Russians were developing their own ELF technology.

There's a pattern of discoveries over the years that show how far the ideas have gotten since 1976:July 4, 1976 Soviets turn on their Tesla Magnifying transmitters with a primary ELF frequency of 10hz and start Weather Modification experiments. These are monitored by the U.S. National Security (NSI) which listens to all radio frequencies that originates in Russia.

June 5, 1976 The New York Times described the great Earthquake, which destroyed Tangshan China and killed 650,000 people as: "Just before the first tremor at 3:42 am the sky lit up like daylight. The multi hued lights, mainly red and white were seen up to 200 miles away. Leafs on many trees were burned to a crisp and growing vegetables were scorched on one side as if by a fireball." These electrical effects are tied to electromagnetic plasma and ball lightning which result from Tesla style and HAARP like transmissions.

July 4, 1977 Exactly one year after the start of the Russian experiments, the U.S. Government conducted an ELF experiment that created an enormous downburst of rain in six counties of Northern Wisconsin. Winds of up to 157 mph devastated a wide area and the ELF generated storm destroyed Phillips Wisconsin, destroyed 350,000 acres of forest and caused $50 million in damage. The Planetary Association for Clean Energy (PACE) Newsletter described the storm: "Downburst activity has been described as occurring when the top of a thunderstorm cloud topples over bringing with it masses of wind straight down. The U.S. Government's transmitter sent about 1.2 million watts of energy into the ground. The ground connections are at each end of the antenna and up the other end, forming an antenna loop. Signals are sent by shifting the frequency. The antenna began transmissions at 13:00 hours by shifting from 76 hertz to 72 or 80 pulsed at a rate of 16 times a second. THE ACTION OF THE ELF TRANSMITTERS IN SETTING UP A RESONANT CIRCUIT DUPLICATES THE PROCESS THAT OCCURS IN NATURE DURING THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY."

October 1977 The United Nations Security Council investigates the possibilities of Weather modification and agrees to a ban of utilization. (C.N. 263. 1978 treaties 12) November 1977 U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) declassifies a report describing how vast advances in Soviet psychotronic technology can create the ultimate Big Brother Society by using electronic mind control against populations to implant ideas and thoughts into the heads of unsuspecting victims using ELF transmissions.

January 1978 Specula Magazine described the Russian ELF effects: "An electromagnetic signal of certain frequencies can be transmitted through the Earth which, depending upon the frequency used, focusing, wave shape, etc., one can induce a variety of effects such as earthquakes induced at a distant aiming point, severe disturbances in the middle and upper atmosphere over the target area and anomalous weather effects. This is called the 'Tesla Effect' originally discovered by Tesla."

January 1978 Dr. Andrija Puharich, M.D., LL.D. of Russia issued a detailed research paper titled, "Global Magnetic Warfare - A layman's View of Certain Artificially Induced Unusual Effects on the Planet during 1976 and 1977." Describing early Soviet work with Tesla's method of "Controlled Earthquakes," he stated "Of the many great earthquakes of 1976 there is one that demands special attention - the July 28, 1976 Tangshan, China earthquake."

January 30, 1981 The WASHINGTON POST reported: "The world sustained 71 significant earthquakes during 1980, up from 56 the previous year and the world death toll climbed to 7,140, five times the 1979 figure, the U.S. Geological Survey said. Coincidentally with the increase in Soviet and U.S. ELF transmissions during 1980, there was a sharp increase in earthquakes around the world."

June 1981 P.A.C.E. NEWSLETTER reported that Dr. Ralph Markson of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, "Suggests that if a atmospheric variations do affect the weather, the appropriate use of ELF and VLF radio waves might do the same trick." "It is known the VLF radio waves such as those induced by lightning can destabilize plasma in the magnetosphere. Experiments to cause such effects have been conducted from the space shuttle."

August 9, 1983 The Washington Post reports, Lt. Col. Thomas Beardon, nuclear engineer and leading U.S. Tesla researcher lectured to the U.S. Psychotronics Association explaining how the Tesla wave generators worked said, "The U.S. had been working with ELF generators but found that the foundation of Ground Wave Emergency Network (GWEN) transmitters were much more effective than standard ELF transmitters. The GWEN transmitters are being erected around the United States to continue our communications during a nuclear war.

March 1, 1987 The New York Times reported: "Col. Paul Hanson, GWEN program director for the Air Force said the GWEN towers will not help wage a nuclear war because they would be destroyed in any protracted confrontation. Currently 54 GWEN are operational at a cost of $235 million. The Government is planning to build 29 more units at a cost of an additional $11 million each.

August 11 1987 Patent Number 4,686,605 issued to Dr. Bernard J. Eastlund, a physicist whose design promoted the U.S. government building on a mammoth electromagnetic weather engineering system. The patent was assigned to APTI Inc., a subsidiary of Eastlund's then employer, the Atlantic Richfield Oil Company (ARCO).The patent states, "Large regions of the atmosphere could be lifted to an unexpected high altitude. Weather modification is possible by for example altering the upper atmosphere wind patterns and that the earth's magnetic field could be decreased or disrupted at appropriate altitudes to modify or eliminate the magnetic field."

March 1988 OMNI Magazine carried an article about Dr. Eastlund's invention: "As he did his computations, Eastlund realized that the amount of energy he was dealing with was enormous. He calculated that by lifting parts of the atmosphere the charged particles could reflect sunlight, heat parts of the Earth and manipulate local weather patterns. Richard Williams, a physicist at Princeton, stated that he thinks the Eastlund HAARP device "might become a serious threat to the earth's atmosphere and could cause irreversible damage. Effects in the atmosphere cannot be localized. The language of the patent indicates that it is clearly intended to provide effects on a global scale."

September 12,1988 The New York Times reported that each GWEN unit utilizes about 2,000 watts of power and are "relaying brief test messages every twenty minutes."

November 1988 Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists reported that GWEN involves a network of 299 foot high towers that "uses low frequency radio waves that hug the ground."

September 12, 1989 The Washington Post reported that during 1989, World Bank President Barber Conable made a speech in Tokyo at a conference on: "Global Environment" in which he revealed the long range goals of the international bankers. He said that "while higher temperatures may cause a number of disasters they might also warm cold and unproductive lands in the North into productivity." This candid admission described the real reason that the Soviets and the New World Order bankers have secretly promoted continuous weather engineering over the Northern hemisphere since the early 1970's.

November 1989 The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists listed some of the GWEN tower locations. Of extreme importance were GWEN units directly in the middle of the high rainfall area of the 1993 flood in the Upper Mississippi Valley. The operating and planned GWEN units are at: Ledyard Iowa, Chelsea Wisconsin, Shepard Minnesota, Curryville and Dudley Missouri and other units in Colorado and Montana whose range could influence the magnetic fields in neighboring states. The resulting enhanced constant precipitation levels killed hundreds and destroyed billions of dollars of property.

January 1990 Because of the publicity about the weather engineering aspects of the Eastlund Arco patent, the U.S. Government suppressed all further news about the invention's weather engineering features and the invention has been disguised as a device for conducting "atmospheric research".

June 1990 Progressive Magazine reported that each GWEN tower will have "a hundred copper wires, each 330 feet long, that will fan out from the tower a foot underground ... The major environmental issue is Electromagnetic radiation ... GWEN towers emit ionizing radiation, and they do so all of the time, with test signals broadcast every hour."

July 1990 CROSS CURRENTS: "The perils of Electro-pollution," by Robert O. Becker, M.D.; "GWEN is a superb system for producing behavioral alterations in the civilian population. The average strength of the steady geomagnetic field varies from place to place across the United States. Therefore if one wished to resonate a specific ion in living things in a specific locality, one would require a specific frequency for that location. The spacing of GWEN transmitters 200 miles apart across the United States would allow such specific frequencies to be 'tailored' to the geomagnetic field strength in each GWEN area." In response to the allegations that the GWEN system was built to enable the Government to continue communications during a war Dr. Becker countered, "The GWEN hardware is transistor based; even if placed in hardened bunkers it would still be vulnerable to electromagnetic pulse. The real purposes of the GWEN system is being kept secret from the American people.

March 29, 1992 The WASHINGTON TIMES reports the incidence of ELF signals associated with earthquakes are continuing. Satellites and ground sensors detected mysterious radio waves or related electrical and magnetic activity before major earthquakes in Southern California during 1986-87 and Northern California, Armenia and Japan in 1989.

There is great danger when Scientists deem it necessary to explore new concepts under the blanket of secrecy. Any invention or device that has the potential to completely destroy life on this planet must be supervised by people not involved with the project. There is no place for "oops" when it comes to global effects.

This is part one of this subject. Next month we will continue with what the boys have done with their toys, what will be coming on line next year and what's in your future whether you want it or not.

FREEDOM'S IN THE WIND,

J.T.

For further education read "ANGELS DON'T PLAY THIS HAARP, Advances in Tesla Technology" by Jeane Manning and Dr. Nick Begich, published by Earth Pulse Press in Anchorage, Alaska.

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07-03-2009, 07:46 AM

USAF 2025 - Weather As
A Force Multiplier: Owning
The Weather

From Ross Dowe <ippoz@eisa.net.au>
3-294

A Research Paper Presented To Air Force 2025

By

Col Tamzy J. House
Lt Col James B. Near, Jr.
LTC William B. Shields (USA)
Maj Ronald J. Celentano
Maj David M. Husband
Maj Ann E. Mercer
Maj James E. Pugh

August 1996

Disclaimer

2025 is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the future. Presented on 17 June 1996, this report was produced in the Department of Defense school environment of academic freedom and in the interest of advancing concepts related to national defense. The views expressed in this report are those of the authors and do not reflect the official policy or position of the United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States government.

This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios. Any similarities to real people or events, other than those specifically cited, are unintentional and are for purposes of illustration only.

This publication has been reviewed by security and policy review authorities, is unclassified, and is cleared for public release.

Contents

Chapter

Disclaimer

Illustrations

Tables

Acknowledgments

Executive Summary

1. Introduction2. 3. Required Capability4.
* Why Would We Want to Mess with the Weather?
* What Do We Mean by "Weather-modification"?5. System Description6.
* The Global Weather Network
* Applying Weather-modification to Military Operations7.Concept of Operations8.
* Precipitation
* Fog
* Storms
* Exploitation of "NearSpace" for Space Control

* Opportunities Afforded by Space Weather-modification

* Communications Dominance via Ionospheric Modification

* Artificial Weather

* Concept of Operations Summary9. Investigation Recommendations10.

* How Do We Get There From Here?

* Conclusions

Appendix

A Why Is the Ionosphere Important?

B Research to Better Understand and Predict Ionospheric Effects

C Acronyms and Definitions

Bibliography
Notes

Illustrations
Figure
3-1. Global Weather Network
3-2. The Military System for Weather-Modification Operations
4-1. Crossed-Beam Approach for Generating an Artificial Ionospheric Mirror
4-2. Artificial Ionospheric Mirrors Point-to-Point Communications
4-3. Artificial Ionospheric Mirror Over-the-Horizon Surveillance Concept
4-4. Scenarios for Telecommunications Degradation
5-1. A Core Competency Road Map to Weather Modification in 2025
5-2. A Systems Development Road Map to Weather Modification in 2025

Tables

Table 1 - Operational Capabilities Matrix

Acknowledgments

We express our appreciation to Mr Mike McKim of Air War College who provided a wealth of technical expertise and innovative ideas that significantly contributed to our paper. We are also especially grateful for the devoted support of our families during this research project. Their understanding and patience during the demanding research period were crucial to the project's success.

Executive Summary

In 2025, US aerospace forces can "own the weather" by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war-fighting applications. Such a capability offers the war fighter tools to shape the battlespace in ways never before possible. It provides opportunities to impact operations across the full spectrum of conflict and is pertinent to all possible futures. The purpose of this paper is to outline a strategy for the use of a future weather-modification system to achieve military objectives rather than to provide a detailed technical road map.

A high-risk, high-reward endeavor, weather-modification offers a dilemma not unlike the splitting of the atom. While some segments of society will always be reluctant to examine controversial issues such as weather-modification, the tremendous military capabilities that could result from this field are ignored at our own peril. From enhancing friendly operations or disrupting those of the enemy via small-scale tailoring of natural weather patterns to complete dominance of global communications and counterspace control, weather-modification offers the war fighter a wide-range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary. Some of the potential capabilities a weather-modification system could provide to a war-fighting commander in chief (CINC) are listed in table 1.

Technology advancements in five major areas are necessary for an integrated weather-modification capability: (1) advanced nonlinear modeling techniques, (2) computational capability, (3) information gathering and transmission, (4) a global sensor array, and (5) weather intervention techniques. Some intervention tools exist today and others may be developed and refined in the future.

Table 1 - Operational Capabilities Matrix

DEGRADE ENEMY FORCES ENHANCE FRIENDLY FORCES Precipitation EnhancementPrecipitation Avoidance - Flood Lines of Communication- Maintain/Improve LOC - Reduce PGM/Recce Effectiveness- Maintain Visibility - Decrease Comfort Level/Morale- Maintain Comfort Level/Morale Storm EnhancementStorm Modification - Deny Operations- Choose Battlespace Environment Precipitation DenialSpace Weather - Deny Fresh Water- Improve Communication Reliability -- Induce Drought- Intercept Enemy Transmissions Space Weather- Revitalize Space Assets - Disrupt Communications/RadarFog and Cloud Generation - Disable/Destroy Space Assets- Increase Concealment Fog and Cloud RemovalFog and Cloud Removal - Deny Concealment- Maintain Airfield Operations - Increase Vulnerability to PGM/Recce- Enhance PGM Effectiveness Detect Hostile Weather ActivitiesDefend against Enemy Capabilities

Current technologies that will mature over the next 30 years will offer anyone who has the necessary resources the ability to modify weather patterns and their corresponding effects, at least on the local scale. Current demographic, economic, and environmental trends will create global stresses that provide the impetus necessary for many countries or groups to turn this weather-modification ability into a capability.

In the United States, weather-modification will likely become a part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications. Our government will pursue such a policy, depending on its interests, at various levels. These levels could include unilateral actions, participation in a security framework such as NATO, membership in an international organization such as the UN, or participation in a coalition. Assuming that in 2025 our national security strategy includes weather-modification, its use in our national military strategy will naturally follow. Besides the significant benefits an operational capability would provide, another motivation to pursue weather-modification is to deter and counter potential adversaries.

In this paper we show that appropriate application of weather-modification can provide battlespace dominance to a degree never before imagined. In the future, such operations will enhance air and space superiority and provide new options for battlespace shaping and battlespace awareness.<v3c15-7.htm#11 "The technology is there, waiting for us to pull it all together;"<v3c15-7.htm#22 in 2025 we can "Own the Weather."

Chapter 1 Introduction

Scenario: Imagine that in 2025 the US is fighting a rich, but now consolidated, politically powerful drug cartel in South America. The cartel has purchased hundreds of Russian-and Chinese-built fighters that have successfully thwarted our attempts to attack their production facilities. With their local numerical superiority and interior lines, the cartel is launching more than 10 aircraft for every one of ours. In addition, the cartel is using the French system probatoire d' observation de la terre (SPOT) positioning and tracking imagery systems, which in 2025 are capable of transmitting near-real-time, multispectral imagery with 1 meter resolution. The US wishes to engage the enemy on an uneven playing field in order to exploit the full potential of our aircraft and munitions.

Meteorological analysis reveals that equatorial South America typically has afternoon thunderstorms on a daily basis throughout the year. Our intelligence has confirmed that cartel pilots are reluctant to fly in or near thunderstorms. Therefore, our weather force support element (WFSE), which is a part of the commander in chief's (CINC) air operations center (AOC), is tasked to forecast storm paths and trigger or intensify thunderstorm cells over critical target areas that the enemy must defend with their aircraft. Since our aircraft in 2025 have all-weather capability, the thunderstorm threat is minimal to our forces, and we can effectively and decisively control the sky over the target.

The WFSE has the necessary sensor and communication capabilities to observe, detect, and act on weather-modification requirements to support US military objectives. These capabilities are part of an advanced battle area system that supports the war-fighting CINC. In our scenario, the CINC tasks the WFSE to conduct storm intensification and concealment operations. The WFSE models the atmospheric conditions to forecast, with 90 percent confidence, the likelihood of successful modification using airborne cloud generation and seeding.

In 2025, uninhabited aerospace vehicles (UAV) are routinely used for weather-modification operations. By cross-referencing desired attack times with wind and thunderstorm forecasts and the SPOT satellite's projected orbit, the WFSE generates mission profiles for each UAV. The WFSE guides each UAV using near-real-time information from a networked sensor array.

Prior to the attack, which is coordinated with forecasted weather conditions, the UAVs begin cloud generation and seeding operations. UAVs disperse a cirrus shield to deny enemy visual and infrared (IR) surveillance. Simultaneously, microwave heaters create localized scintillation to disrupt active sensing via synthetic aperture radar (SAR) systems such as the commercially available Canadian search and rescue satellite-aided tracking (SARSAT) that will be widely available in 2025. Other cloud seeding operations cause a developing thunderstorm to intensify over the target, severely limiting the enemy's capability to defend. The WFSE monitors the entire operation in real-time and notes the successful completion of another very important but routine weather-modification mission.

This scenario may seem far-fetched, but by 2025 it is within the realm of possibility. The next chapter explores the reasons for weather-modification, defines the scope, and examines trends that will make it possible in the next 30 years.

Last updated: 11 December 1996
http://www.rense.com/general50/owningweather.htm

accuracy

07-03-2009, 08:13 AM

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/MnRPZOUVhJ4/default.jpg

Informative video on HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Reasearch Program)the new weather modification and mind control ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnRPZOUVhJ4

accuracy

07-03-2009, 08:22 AM

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/e8LzF2HFmkA/default.jpg

[TRANSLATED] HR 2977 - Chemtrails, HAARP.
Oh yes, they really do think we're all that pathetic and stupid. ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8LzF2HFmkA

accuracy

07-03-2009, 08:32 AM

http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/OZR_UkJV-wE/default.jpg

Muse HAARP - Hysteria (Wembley Stadium)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZR_UkJV-wE

HAARP, the name of the album/DVD this concert was recorded for, is also the name of a project up in Alaska where they study the properties of waves using discs like those. Apparently, there are doubters who think it is a conspiracy, and I think that is what inspired Muse to use it. Good question, though.

accuracy

07-03-2009, 08:44 AM

1/7 Angels Don't Play this HAARP, Update - Dr. Nick Begich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY7JH65jnmI

accuracy

07-03-2009, 08:46 AM

2/7 Angels Don't Play this HAARP, Update - Dr. Nick Begich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4dFchbTX5A

accuracy

07-03-2009, 08:48 AM

3/7 Angels Don't Play this HAARP, Update - Dr. Nick Begich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRwQU6EExVQ

accuracy

07-03-2009, 08:52 AM

4/7 Angels Don't Play this HAARP, Update - Dr. Nick Begich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv2ltt0oFZY

accuracy

07-03-2009, 08:55 AM

5/7 Angels Don't Play this HAARP, Update - Dr. Nick Begich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXhHI3D9FRI

accuracy

07-03-2009, 08:57 AM

6/7 Angels Don't Play this HAARP, Update - Dr. Nick Begich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAghssSm0vQ

accuracy

07-03-2009, 09:01 AM

7/7 Angels Don't Play this HAARP, Update - Dr. Nick Begich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A_PUQymUC0

accuracy

07-03-2009, 09:07 AM

Angels Don't Play This Haarp: Advances in Tesla Technology (Paperback)

by Nick Begich (Author), Jeane Manning (Author)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5159FD0CRWL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Angels-Dont-Play-This-Haarp/dp/0964881209

marpat

07-03-2009, 09:39 AM

marpat

07-03-2009, 09:45 AM

Ah Cleo, good question! I really wouldnt know the answer...you could always PM Wiseleybear apparently he is from the Telegraph and ask him but I really wouldnt give out much hope......

Ive just been watching BBC news and in my eyes it DOES seem like 'different snow' somehow but as Ive said........snow is so rare down here, perhaps someone from 'oop noorth' would know?

(just thinking who lives up there......)

Different snow? never heard anything as silly as that. I have heard nothing about it smelling of chemicals either. If it did you could have collected a load of it as evidence. The only way it would smell of chemicals would be if it contained them, so did you collect any? if not then why not?

If you think you are smelling chemicals dont you think that it could be something else in the area? I will be in Cornwall later this years for a few weeks so I will at least get to look around the place. It could also be that you have just convinced yourself that you can smell them. Self hypnosis is a real possibility when you are convinced in the belief of something.

antinwo

07-03-2009, 10:11 PM

The skies now look a lot different to how they looked ten years ago. I who has always been a sky watcher since a child has never seen persistant contrails. But hell yeah maybe this is all just a coincidence and nothing to worry about.:rolleyes:

masonicboom

09-03-2009, 06:10 PM

Sorry if this has been posted earlier I didn't have time to read all the posts

The ruling elite have devised chemtrails as a means of covertly microchipping us all in order to create antennas inside of us via nanotechnology so as to make us totally controllable via a "psychocivilized" (electronically mind controlled) society. Using HAARP microwave antennas, the National Security Agency (NSA) can establish a seamless computer link direct to our brains, but first they're using chemtrails to get the nanoparticles into us which are reassembling in our bodies to form the antennas. WE CAN STOP THIS OUTRAGEOUS INVASION OF OUR BODIES & MINDS!

more info from whistleblower and info on what to do about it here http://www.ymlp167.com/pubarchive_show_message.php?jham+1196

You are definitely thinking in the same realm of ideas as I.
You may find this hard to believe, but I have had the exact same speculation in the past, although hadn't thought about it lately. My original theory on this was actually quite far fetched. Back in the day when I was even more ignorant, I used to use drugs heavily including smoking crystal meth. The though often entered my mind that this crystal if consumed enough could be programmed to form a crystal oscillator in the brain for transceiving "thought" as a crystal oscillator is used in radio communications. I am not an expert in this field however I recall writing an essay on crystal oscillators in College. These "psychotic" thoughts occurred to me during a period when I hadn't used in years and yet I still speculated that the nano-tech assembly had been complete before and was able to be activated and vice-versa. While the public is aware of nano-scale technology, one might want to research smaller yet technology which I have no doubt exists such as pico tech ( a step down from nano as nano is from micro) and even smaller femto technology. The fact that you never see any detailed info on either side of the chemtrail argument is due to the fact that neither side seems to be able to produce any close up photos and is it just me or are these things pretty high up. And as for the argument that the spray appears to be coming from the jets and not a separate mechanism could easily be attributed to the speed at which they travel and the chems are sucked into the jets exhaust stream so fast it appears that way.
I don't receive letters directly telling me to stop researching things that don't concern me, but as I'm sure you are aware, these messages do not have to be delivered in such a fasion when more sophiticated and untraceable techniques exist. It seems strange to me that whenever I start researching too much, I feel like they are using their energy weapons against me which in todays case have caused near panic attack like symptoms.
Any rebuttals are welcome or agreements. Or further speculation (as it seems to become infinite) :-)
And on a final note, DO NOT DRINK RED BULL !!!
I am battling an "addiction" to it. Every evening I say I won't drink it and in the morning that cockroach inside me like the ones in the anti-smoking commercials busts out and pours it down my throat - Like Liquid Chem-Trails!
Bad stuff - causes cardiovascular disease and has killed + is illegal in countries that care about their peoples health.
I know I'm a hypocrite, but I Am TRYING to change. Damn It.
Peace be with you...
~Dan
p.s. This is my first post this year. I have lost pretty much all my friends because they say people like david icke are BORING and they hate "politics" Fuck Them. I don't need people who are more concerned with getting high and watching gansta movies while they recite they lines along as it IS their 1,001st time watching the indoctrination.

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cleopatraxxx

11-03-2009, 01:45 AM

You are definitely thinking in the same realm of ideas as I.
You may find this hard to believe, but I have had the exact same speculation in the past, although hadn't thought about it lately. My original theory on this was actually quite far fetched. Back in the day when I was even more ignorant, I used to use drugs heavily including smoking crystal meth. The though often entered my mind that this crystal if consumed enough could be programmed to form a crystal oscillator in the brain for transceiving "thought" as a crystal oscillator is used in radio communications. I am not an expert in this field however I recall writing an essay on crystal oscillators in College. These "psychotic" thoughts occurred to me during a period when I hadn't used in years and yet I still speculated that the nano-tech assembly had been complete before and was able to be activated and vice-versa. While the public is aware of nano-scale technology, one might want to research smaller yet technology which I have no doubt exists such as pico tech ( a step down from nano as nano is from micro) and even smaller femto technology. The fact that you never see any detailed info on either side of the chemtrail argument is due to the fact that neither side seems to be able to produce any close up photos and is it just me or are these things pretty high up. And as for the argument that the spray appears to be coming from the jets and not a separate mechanism could easily be attributed to the speed at which they travel and the chems are sucked into the jets exhaust stream so fast it appears that way.
I don't receive letters directly telling me to stop researching things that don't concern me, but as I'm sure you are aware, these messages do not have to be delivered in such a fasion when more sophiticated and untraceable techniques exist. It seems strange to me that whenever I start researching too much, I feel like they are using their energy weapons against me which in todays case have caused near panic attack like symptoms.
Any rebuttals are welcome or agreements. Or further speculation (as it seems to become infinite) :-)
And on a final note, DO NOT DRINK RED BULL !!!
I am battling an "addiction" to it. Every evening I say I won't drink it and in the morning that cockroach inside me like the ones in the anti-smoking commercials busts out and pours it down my throat - Like Liquid Chem-Trails!
Bad stuff - causes cardiovascular disease and has killed + is illegal in countries that care about their peoples health.
I know I'm a hypocrite, but I Am TRYING to change. Damn It.
Peace be with you...
~Dan
p.s. This is my first post this year. I have lost pretty much all my friends because they say people like david icke are BORING and they hate "politics" Fuck Them. I don't need people who are more concerned with getting high and watching gansta movies while they recite they lines along as it IS their 1,001st time watching the indoctrination.

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hello there!
i am intrigued with the idea of the pico technology and i am as well with the idea that maybe the jest simply suck something that is already there in the air. if Reptiles exist as a race of extra-terrestrials, they might be hovering in invisible to the eye ships above us, in a so called reversed electormagnetic style. so then they couod be releasing something for ages and the jets trails simply be a reaction to these particles, hence the reaction becomes visible forming chemtrails. THEY STILL ARE CHEMTRAILS in that case.

and yes, you are right, you don't need "friends" who don't listen to you and ridicule your views and ideas.
Better on your own. i went through that. is not easy, but better that ways that in the wrong company.

Cleo

beldazar

11-03-2009, 08:52 AM

Sorry if this has been posted earlier I didn't have time to read all the posts

The ruling elite have devised chemtrails as a means of covertly microchipping us all in order to create antennas inside of us via nanotechnology so as to make us totally controllable via a "psychocivilized" (electronically mind controlled) society. Using HAARP microwave antennas, the National Security Agency (NSA) can establish a seamless computer link direct to our brains, but first they're using chemtrails to get the nanoparticles into us which are reassembling in our bodies to form the antennas. WE CAN STOP THIS OUTRAGEOUS INVASION OF OUR BODIES & MINDS!

more info from whistleblower and info on what to do about it here http://www.ymlp167.com/pubarchive_show_message.php?jham+1196

Does this fit with this article? Looks like it to me!!!

http://rense.com/general85/morgnan.htm

Morgellons & Nanomachines
CIDP Foundation
3-9-9

There is now strong data indicating that this disorder is associated with nanotechnology, specifically nanomachines in the form of nanofibers. The National Science Foundation (NSF) defines nanofibers as having at least one dimension of 100 nanometer (nm) or less.Fiber samples, taken from the skin of a Morgellons sufferer, when exposed to heat, did not burn until it has been heated to 1700 degrees F. As well, under examination with an electron microscope, fiber samples appear not to be organic. They have no eukaryotic cells, no cell membrane. Meaning that Morgellons is not a parasite, it is not biological, it is a machine. In March and April 2007, Jeff Rense published and broadcast some capable research based on scientific techniques including electron microscopy, energy dispersive spectroscopy, Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy and Fourier transform Raman spectroscopy. The Team Leader of the research unit was Dr Hilgegarde Staninger of Integrative Health International at Lakewood, California.

The preliminary findings were disturbing. Morgellons appears to be a communicable nanotechnology invasion of human tissue in the form of self-assembling, self-replicating nanotubes, nanowires, and nanoarrays with sensors.

Other nanoconfigurations associated with Morgellons disease carry genetically-altered and spliced DNA or RNA. The nanomachines which precipitate Morgellons thrive in alkaline ph conditions and use the body's bio-electric energy and other (unidentified) elements for power. There is evidence that certain of the tiny machines possess their own internal batteries as well. The Morgellons nanomachines are configured to receive specific tuned microwave, EMF and ELF signals and radio data.

At this point, why this is happening is anyone's guess. We do know that Morgellons is commonly found in all body fluids, orifices and often even hair follicles, and are believed to routinely achieve total body systemic penetration.

If these findings are correct, and Morgellons is nanotechnology capable of taking over biological systems, the question remains whether or not these nanomachines were the result of an accident, or a deliberate release with the intention of infecting people for some unknown purpose.

It is almost as if Morgellons is in the process of reconstructing people into an entirely different life form; a cyborg-like creature, both biological and machine. As well, with the reports that the Morgellons nanomachines are capable of receiving radio signals, this could indicate that each infected person/system would be able to communicate with other Morgellon sufferers, creating the potential that each person would be like a single brain-cell of a larger, artificial intelligence.

Are we facing an invasion by machine intelligence, or is this a twisted attempt by some unknown group or government to achieve the ultimate control of humankind? Considering the current world situation, it would not be unreasonable to imagine that someone could stoop to such evil as releasing something such as Morgellons upon an unsuspecting planet. Sometimes the smallest thing can cause the biggest problems. We have to take a deeper look, beyond the affliction itself, before we will find any substantial answers

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This is the thread that talks about it...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57047

anthony65

08-04-2009, 11:39 AM

Different snow? never heard anything as silly as that. I have heard nothing about it smelling of chemicals either. If it did you could have collected a load of it as evidence. The only way it would smell of chemicals would be if it contained them, so did you collect any? if not then why not?

If you think you are smelling chemicals dont you think that it could be something else in the area? I will be in Cornwall later this years for a few weeks so I will at least get to look around the place. It could also be that you have just convinced yourself that you can smell them. Self hypnosis is a real possibility when you are convinced in the belief of something.

"Different snow? never heard anything as silly as that."

And I've never heard of anything so silly as someone who posts thousands of times on a forum like this and continually writes off any possibilities with a snide remark....

"Self hypnosis is a real possibility when you are convinced in the belief of something." Takes one to know one! :p

And is then proved wrong...

Again...

and again...

Artificial snow can be seeded in clouds with chemicals as described in the following article...

http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/artificial-snow-china-closes-12-highways

Artificial snow in China closes 12 highways

Twelve major roads in Beijing were closed yesterday due to heavy snow falling on the capital. However, this snow was artificial as the clouds above were seeded with chemicals to make it snow.

The northern province of Hebei, which is hit hardest by the drought had most of their highways closed in the hope that the moisture would help the incredibly dry land.

"The snow has brought moisture to the soil, which may help end the drought," Guo Yingchun, a senior engineer of the provincial meteorological observatory, was quoted as saying.

She said that 313 cigarette-size sticks of silver iodide were fired into the clouds from Wednesday night to Thursday morning, "a procedure that made the snow a lot heavier."

Source: reuters.com

This is the longest drought in 38 years, but it is expected to keep 'snowing' for a little longer now.

banjoreality

08-04-2009, 01:13 PM

Is this serious? I guess that means the politicians and royal family must be getting their chips too as they all exist within the same atmosphere.

Can you show some real evidence of this.

FOR THOSE WHO CAN USE THEIR BRAINS: NO, THE ROYAL BLOODY MOTHER AND HER LUCIFERIAN ACOLYTES DO NOT BREATH IN THE SAME AIR AS US, THE HIGHEST UP IN THE KABAL HARDLY BREATH OUR AIR, THEY KNOW THE FACTS AND USE HIGH TECH FILTERS.
PS MARPY, IT'S NOT ABOUT PROOF, IT'S CALLED INTUITION, ONCE YOU CONNECT, YOU KNOW.
DEBUNKING DEBUNKERS, MY FAVORITE HOBBY.:cool:

mila

08-04-2009, 05:03 PM

Found this today as I was searching for something else:

from: ****************** (when I type in the address it doesn't show here)

(Re: The next chemtard who post anything to do with chemtrails should be banned for life from GLP Quote (http://www.***********************/bbs/reply.php?messageid=766572&page=1&quote=11778704)
Why can you not believe our government is spraying us from the air?
The put GMO's in our food, they fluoride our water and alter our brain waves...

Chemical spraying is nothing new, actually it's older than a lot of the de-population methods they are currently using.

If you sit and really think about it the government spraying chemicals into the air doesn't sound that unrealistic. Actually a pretty easy way of getting the job done, right?
Quoting: ape_rule

Because spraying small amounts of shit into the air like that at that altitude would do nothing.
It would dissipate in the air and not be effective.
There is your reason.
Think of agent orange, they had to spray it 24/7 with every aircraft they had at low altitude.)

A few days ago someone (can't remember who) posted on one of the chemtrail-threads that looking at the sprayed sky didn't make others wonder and look as well (what I would expect from curiosity) and it's exactly what I'm experiencing here, from my neighbours.
No interest whatsoever so far:(

disorder2k8

16-04-2009, 02:28 PM

something is making this hole, and im not entirely sure its man made either (because most news agencies are skewed) http://www.natural-environment.com/b...g/ozone-layer/

anthony65

16-04-2009, 03:21 PM

something is making this hole, and im not entirely sure its man made either (because most news agencies are skewed) http://www.natural-environment.com/b...g/ozone-layer/

Hi! :D

There were nuclear bomb tests in Antarctica...

http://traverse.npolar.no/expedition-diary/archive/2007/12/08/radioactive-species-in-the-antarctic-snow

There were also nuclear bombs set off in the Van Allen Belt...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

I think they discovered it in one year and bombed it in the next... :mad:

disorder2k8

16-04-2009, 03:29 PM

yes i know a lot of secret nazi bases were also there

anthony65

16-04-2009, 03:31 PM

yes i know a lot of secret nazi bases were also there

I only just read about the Nazi Bases in Reich of the Black Sun by Joseph Farrell.

Some may scoff at that, but the book is very interesting...

God knows what goes on down there! :eek:

disorder2k8

16-04-2009, 03:32 PM

There is a massive load of Nazi secret history and UFO contact/research in the Omega Files, if you cant find it anywhere I can email you a copy

anthony65

16-04-2009, 03:38 PM

There is a massive load of Nazi secret history and UFO contact/research in the Omega Files, if you cant find it anywhere I can email you a copy

Cheers!

I found an online version in about 5 seconds! :)

macmauro

17-04-2009, 06:01 PM

Nazis? HAARP? read this thread and comment pls:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62019

antinwo

18-04-2009, 03:30 PM

beldazar

18-04-2009, 07:12 PM

banjoreality

18-04-2009, 07:43 PM

yo beldazar, I'm gonna start a thread about this... let's call a cat a cat a dog a dog and a chemtrail a DIRECT INDERECT AEROSOL PROGRAM OR SCATTERING...those are the terms the pros use as opposed to us little lamans.... GOOGLE IT..... howzat! marpy my little butter cup? :D

love
banjoboy
PS thanks for the clip baldazar, the guys incredible!

marpat

18-04-2009, 07:45 PM

FOR THOSE WHO CAN USE THEIR BRAINS: NO, THE ROYAL BLOODY MOTHER AND HER LUCIFERIAN ACOLYTES DO NOT BREATH IN THE SAME AIR AS US, THE HIGHEST UP IN THE KABAL HARDLY BREATH OUR AIR, THEY KNOW THE FACTS AND USE HIGH TECH FILTERS.
PS MARPY, IT'S NOT ABOUT PROOF, IT'S CALLED INTUITION, ONCE YOU CONNECT, YOU KNOW.
DEBUNKING DEBUNKERS, MY FAVORITE HOBBY.:cool:

So you explain one conspiracy by using another. I guess they must never go out into the atmosphere do they.

Like you say its not about proof. Its a pity that normal people in the real world may ask for proof of things that conspiracy theorists are claiming. And you wonder why they would not believe you.

The thing about 'intuition' is that you can use that excuse to believe anything in the world that you cannot offer a shred of proof for. As long as you 'feel' it. That is just an excuse to buy into a fantasy world that sounds exciting but which you cannot prove.

Pretty pathetic.

marpat

18-04-2009, 07:51 PM

yes i know a lot of secret nazi bases were also there

You know or you read about it?

If you want to see where the nazis reformed then this vid gives a good clue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gMGiNUSpjU

banjoreality

18-04-2009, 08:01 PM

marpat

18-04-2009, 08:36 PM

TRYING TO HIGHJACK YET ANOTHER AEROSOL PROGRAM THREAD MARPAT?
TURN IT DOWN A LEVEL INTO THE NAZI'S IN TIBET? OR CROWLEY MAYBE? YOUR LITTLE VOODOO GOD? ...GET LOST THIS THREAD IS ABOUT REAL THINGS LIKE CHEMS AND HAARPS... FOR REAL PEOPLE NOT LITLLE SNITCHES.:cool:

I dont think you help yourself by keep mentioning my username. You dont want to personally involve me in threads then perhaps you should not mention my name.

We can discuss HAARP if you wish. I have worked on system that user radio transmissions so I do have an idea how such things work. I suppose your intuition told you that HAARP causes earthquakes though. Please explain how HAARP works, what it does and how it relates to 'chemtrails'.

By all means prove me wrong with some real science rather than some puerile guesswork.

As you are not a mod then I think you have no right to dictate who comes into a thread or posts what. You are a shining example of people who do not like freedom of speech. I am happy to discuss these issues with you but you just want people to believe or go away.

flyermay

19-04-2009, 11:34 PM

Did you ever saw the inside of a chemtrail plane?

Look at this, and notice the huge tanks on each side:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3424

It is authentic, extracted from an Italian documentary about the CIA-NSA chemtrailling projects.

You can watch the ducumentary here (obviosly, in Italian):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghoaomHQB2g&feature=related

anthony65

20-04-2009, 09:28 AM

I dont think you help yourself by keep mentioning my username. You dont want to personally involve me in threads then perhaps you should not mention my name.

We can discuss HAARP if you wish. I have worked on system that user radio transmissions so I do have an idea how such things work. I suppose your intuition told you that HAARP causes earthquakes though. Please explain how HAARP works, what it does and how it relates to 'chemtrails'.

By all means prove me wrong with some real science rather than some puerile guesswork.

As you are not a mod then I think you have no right to dictate who comes into a thread or posts what. You are a shining example of people who do not like freedom of speech. I am happy to discuss these issues with you but you just want people to believe or go away.

Do you doubt that earthquakes can be generated by man?

Do you question weather manipulation?

Do you doubt that HAARP is a massive threat to the ecosystem and potentially can be used as a devastating weapon?

Here are some interesting facts for you to read at your leisure:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59981

Post number 5 contains many FACTS!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=932832&postcount=5

banjoreality

20-04-2009, 09:42 AM

anthony65

20-04-2009, 09:53 AM

So you explain one conspiracy by using another. I guess they must never go out into the atmosphere do they.

Like you say its not about proof. Its a pity that normal people in the real world may ask for proof of things that conspiracy theorists are claiming. And you wonder why they would not believe you.

The thing about 'intuition' is that you can use that excuse to believe anything in the world that you cannot offer a shred of proof for. As long as you 'feel' it. That is just an excuse to buy into a fantasy world that sounds exciting but which you cannot prove.

Pretty pathetic.

Proof?

I see you've dropped the word "fact" from your vocabulary.

As you know, there is a long list of facts listed on post number 5 of the following thread...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59981

Do you accept or dismiss the facts listed there?

The thing about 'intuition' is that you can use that excuse to believe anything in the world that you cannot offer a shred of proof for. As long as you 'feel' it. That is just an excuse to buy into a fantasy world that sounds exciting but which you cannot prove.

Now that is an amazing statement coming from someone who is so into Aleister Crowley... :confused:

There are many facts related to chemtrails, weather manipulation, geoengineering, HAARP, etc, but what is wrong with intuition, personal observation, gut feelings etc.

Is it your intention to ignore the facts presented to you while ridiculing the opinions and observations of others?

*** What about artificial snow? You ridculed that idea. But you were wrong. Why not be man enough to admit that?

*** And earthquakes. You expect people to explain how they are caused, but you ignore the UN ENMOD treaty that prohibited such actions.

*** You trivialize HAARP, yet you ignore the report of the Russian deputies who clearly stated that HAARP was a threat to global peace.

antinwo

20-04-2009, 10:33 AM

Please don't feed the troll :D

anthony65

20-04-2009, 01:54 PM

Please don't feed the troll :D

Trolls should be fed a diet of strict truth.

Observe how they shrink and take on human form.

Note the faint pulsating in the chest area.

The look of surprise as the troll becomes aware of it's heart.

The troll blushes and looks to the ground.

Do they really care?

Maybe I'm not the ugly monster I always felt I was.

Oh!

I'm naked!

Where is my armour?

Where is my great poison-tipped troll sword?

What?

I don't need them any longer?

But isn't the world full of dangerous troll-hating beasts?

Is the "truth" of which they speak perhaps real?

Not some vile lair in which to trick and destroy me?

I'm naked!

I'm beautiful!

I am the friendly troll!

Yippee.... :)

dv8_

28-04-2009, 04:34 PM

fuzzylogic

28-04-2009, 04:50 PM

We know that isn't "steam" or "water vapor" or "normal" anything. It wouldn't STAY in the sky for hours if it was.
Please explain clouds using this fantastic logic.

dv8_

28-04-2009, 04:54 PM

We learned in High School science class that it takes at least a 40% humidity to form clouds. We don't have 40% humidity in Arizona [today]. So, you tell ME how those "clouds" are forming...
those photos are about 10 minutes old.

fuzzylogic

28-04-2009, 05:16 PM

dunno if there's much point. I'll mention cold temperatures and you'll tell me it's not cold in Arizona today.

anthony65

28-04-2009, 05:16 PM

We've been noticing chemtrails for more than a year now, from California through Nevada and into Arizona. When it got really heavy in Nevada we noticed a change in our "moods" and health. When we got out from under them, we then noticed how happy we were ALL THE TIME.
We watch them, we know what they do, they spread a "haze" that blocks the sun. They lay them down, they spread out and connect patches of haze together and they never go away.
In the last three days, we've noticed that they have been more active. We see them laying trails down in the sky like a gawdamned checker board.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_8Us_x92XLAg/SfcSUUqO3_I/AAAAAAAAA1U/jHha-8sHSYM/s640/chem01.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_8Us_x92XLAg/SfcSXz7L9yI/AAAAAAAAA1c/GF2nYkw6mW0/s640/chem02.jpg
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_8Us_x92XLAg/SfcSY89i5FI/AAAAAAAAA1k/qtc2kbXobZg/s640/chem03.jpg
We know that isn't "steam" or "water vapor" or "normal" anything. It wouldn't STAY in the sky for hours if it was.

Note the ugly tower in the first picture?

This tower is a fake cloud maker.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=945580&postcount=1509

Search for wall street journal Elate Intelligent Technologies and you get plenty of hits, but not the original article.

It is mentioned in this Rense article...

http://www.rense.com/general18/mn.htm

The breakup of the Soviet Union in the 1990s ushered in brave new opportunities in weather modification. The New York Times reported on September 24, 1992, that a Russian company was openly selling electronic equipment to manipulate the weather in a specific area. The Times noted that certain Russian farmers used the weather-control technology to alter the climate for better crop yields.

A little over a month later, the Wall Street Journal reported that Russian company Elate Intelligence Technologies Inc. was selling weather-control equipment using the slogan "Weather made to order." The Journal quoted Igor Pirogoff as saying that Hurricane Andrew, which did an estimated $17 billion in damage, could have been turned "into a wimpy little squall" by his company.

dv8_

28-04-2009, 05:33 PM

anthony65

28-04-2009, 05:48 PM

hmmm... VERY interesting! I will have to investigate. I thought it was just a cell phone tower, but it could have a dual purpose. I like the idea of orgone busters. And, I like the idea of the sylphs. Basically, I'm willing to try most ANYTHING to make the skies blue again for my grandchildren. Keep those ideas coming, they certainly can't hurt anything.

No point exactly. I do wonder however, if you DON'T believe there are chemtrails up there, why then are you in the "Chemtrail" forum thread?

It probably is a cell phone tower.

But it's also being used to fry the sky. I read about Elate Technologies in "Angels Don't Play this HAARP..." by Jim Begich. They used antennas to manipulate the weather.

And mind control?

Try out the orgonite TBs on these kind of towers. Observe the sky beforehand and watch out for any changes as you approach the tower.

An ugly tower like this (with a drum on the side.. ) could handle maybe 4 simple Orgonite TBs, buried up to 100 metres away.

HHGs and earthpipes work very well, but not everyone can afford it!

I'm willing to try most ANYTHING to make the skies blue again for my grandchildren.

That is an excellent motivation! :)

dv8_

28-04-2009, 05:59 PM

I like your avatar, is that a photo of "Imoto's Water"? In that spirit, I'll say something wonderful....

LOVE, beauty, rainbows, music, colors, light, hope, play, delicious, laughter, sunshine, dreams, fun & smiles!

anthony65

28-04-2009, 06:02 PM

dv8_

28-04-2009, 06:04 PM

Emoto, as in emotion, got it, thank you, there IS hope!

nofuture

29-04-2009, 02:01 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/29/prince-born-epileptic

Prince talks about Chemtrails.

anthony65

29-04-2009, 02:47 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/29/prince-born-epileptic

Prince talks about Chemtrails.

The Guardian video doesn't show the chemtrails quotes.

But here is a YouTube video that does! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbSIMEecXok

fekdemasons

30-04-2009, 11:53 PM

"Some say man aint happy unless , a man can truly die , Oh why

sign

skunksmash

02-05-2009, 12:40 AM

HAARP at its finest.....:mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVamNQzfYA&feature=related

:)SK

lakkimakki

02-05-2009, 12:35 PM

HAARP at its finest.....:mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVamNQzfYA&feature=related

:)SK

its just a cloud !

skunksmash

02-05-2009, 05:40 PM

its just a cloud !

really..... where do you live, over the rainbow..?? :rolleyes:

:)SK

lakkimakki

02-05-2009, 05:43 PM

really..... where do you live, over the rainbow..?? :rolleyes:

:)SK

wahhahahahah , ok its cloud with rainbow colors!!:D lolz

marpat

02-05-2009, 07:25 PM

HAARP at its finest.....:mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVamNQzfYA&feature=related

:)SK

Please explain how a radio transmitter can cause an earthquake

I thought those clouds were caused by particles being released into the atmosphere as part of the earthquake process.

gilly

02-05-2009, 08:15 PM

Please explain how a radio transmitter can cause an earthquake

I thought those clouds were caused by particles being released into the atmosphere as part of the earthquake process.

http://www.bariumblues.com/HAARP_chemtrails_earthquakes.htm

Main Page Bariumblues.com

HAARP, Chemtrails and Earthquakes – Any connection?
by Ian Brockwell

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/65097
June 16, 2008

There has been a lot of speculation on the internet recently about whether HAARP is in some way connected to the recent earthquake in China (and possibly other events). Photos of strange clouds (with rainbow colors) have been sighted shortly before the earthquake occurred.

Whilst these clouds (called perihelion or Sun-Dogs) could easily be created by natural conditions, we can´t rule out the possibility that a man-made effect could have played some part in their appearance as well.

The colors we see in a Rainbow are created by White light passing through a prism, which distorts the light to create the beautiful image we are all familiar with. A prism is usually triangular, with two refracting surfaces set at an acute angle to each other.

A Rainbow occurs when the Sun is lower than 42 degrees, whereas a perihelion occurs at 22 degrees on each side of the Sun (and at the same elevation as the Sun).

HAARP creates High Frequency waves that are extremely powerful (an adaptation of an invention by Tesla) and most experts believe that HAARP can indeed produce enough energy to cause an earthquake (among other things). Is it possible that the High Frequency waves from HAARP produce a kind of prism as it hits the Earth's surface?

The following extract, regarding colors and light might be of interest:

"Newton had discovered that color comes from plucking this rainbow of light. But what is light? The modern answer to that question came two centuries after Newton, when Scottish physicist James Clerk Maxwell declared that light is a vibrating field of electrical and magnetic energy: an electromagnetic field passing through empty space like a wave traveling across the sea. The frequency of the vibrations increases from the red to the violet end of the spectrum, thus determining the perceived color of the light. The wavelength of these light waves gets shorter as the frequency gets higher.

But not all color is generated this way. The rainbow's variegated arc results from refraction, the bending of lights rays as they pass from one medium to another (in this case, from air to the water in raindrops). Another physical color-producing process is scattering: the dispersal of light in all directions by particles in the atmosphere that are about as big as a single wavelength. Light scattering is what makes the sky blue. Rays from the sun are scattered by atmospheric dust, sending the light bouncing in all directions. These dust particles scatter more high-frequency light than low-frequency light, so blue light bounces around in the atmosphere and reaches our eyes from all parts of the sky."

Is light affected by the High Frequency waves of HAARP?

Apart from the ability to create earthquakes, it is believed that HAARP can also affect the weather (make storms much stronger) and take down missiles. But what is the real purpose behind this invention? Is it some deadly new weapon?

Let's assume for a moment that its main purpose is that of a military weapon, at least one person claims that an earlier earthquake in Japan was the result of HAARP.

Unfortunately, the HAARP device is not that difficult to reproduce, so if America can build one, so can other countries, and this brings us to the Chemtrail connection.

I have long thought that Chemtrails were an attempt to block out the affects of the Sun or other galactic rays, in order to reduce the effects of Global Warming. An article by Ted Twietmeyer has also looked at this and points out that if this is the case, it does not seem to be having any affect. I would have to agree that temperatures do not appear to have been significantly reduced, and this either confirms that Chemtrails are not working (if this it what they are designed to do), or maybe they are, and temperatures would be much higher if they weren´t being used. It´s impossible to say for sure.

What I did find very interesting in Ted Twietmeyer´s article was the information he had been given on the content of Chemtrails. Ted has written many articles on this subject and has a great eye for detail (be sure to read his information on NASA and Mars!). As you will see from his article, Chemtrails contain a number of interesting compounds.

To cut a long story short, these compounds (metallic in nature) are ideal for blocking/deflecting (or at least reducing) microwaves or electro magnetic effects etc. Whilst this still could be for the purpose of reducing the effects of Global Warming, it could also have some benefit in shielding a potential attack from a HAARP device in another country.

Without more information or proof, we can only speculate. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that we are already witnessing a war, a war that does not involve conventional weapons, but a device that creates "natural" disasters that can be equally devastating.

There are of course many dangers to using such a device. The first obviously is what happens when the other side obtains the same capabilities? The second, which is less predictable, is what side effects can we expect? Creating earthquakes involves "shaking" tectonic plates so that they move (which is what causes the damage), but the movement of one plate can potentially affect others, and this could cause a domino effect (producing earthquakes in other parts of the world).

I´m sure we will hear much more on this subject in the future, and can only hope that those who use devices like HAARP consider all the consequences of their actions.

skunksmash

02-05-2009, 08:16 PM

yes, your correct Marpat....i checked & it seems a regular occurrence for this to appear before a quake....;) :p

lol... i bet its not often you hear that mate.

:)SK

marpat

03-05-2009, 09:28 AM

yes, your correct Marpat....i checked & it seems a regular occurrence for this to appear before a quake....;) :p

lol... i bet its not often you hear that mate.

:)SK

You see, I dont say these thing to be difficult. The way I see it people should eliminate the obvious answers first then look at conspiracies rather than going straight into the conspiracy theory.

Personally I still doubt the whole HAARP earthquake theory. I have a working knowledge of radio transmitters and wave propogation due to my job and cant see how high frequency radio waves can cause an earthquake. I have seen people quote teslas domino theory but I doubt solid matter of immense size would act like a row of dominos, especially as the earth varies in composition, layout, etc.

flyermay

03-05-2009, 11:03 AM

Personally I still doubt the whole HAARP earthquake theory. I have a working knowledge of radio transmitters and wave propogation due to my job and cant see how high frequency radio waves can cause an earthquake. I have seen people quote teslas domino theory but I doubt solid matter of immense size would act like a row of dominos, especially as the earth varies in composition, layout, etc.

Hi Marpat,

What the HAARP is about is not conventional radio waves; they are highly energetic electromagnetic radiation generated with thousands of volts.

I guess you know how companies find oil now a day; well, it´s the same principle, but generating far more energy. To find oil, what they do is direct a beam to the ground at a certain frequency (that of oil). If oil is in the path of that beam, it will resonate and will allow the equipment on ground to pick it up. Now imagine that this beam has been created with thousands of volts of energy and it covers all frequencies; once you direct it to the ground, you would have the whole ground (for miles around) resonating. Also, if you simply apply it on top of an unstable tectonic area, you will simply create an earthquake.

We certainly have the knowledge and technology to do it, and I have no doubt that it is already in the wrong hands.

Watch the last minute of this video and you will see of what they are capable of (taken in a Chinese school)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5532826124126710097

beldazar

03-05-2009, 11:29 AM

Please explain how a radio transmitter can cause an earthquake

I thought those clouds were caused by particles being released into the atmosphere as part of the earthquake process.

David Icke agrees with that, at least he does in his book The biggest Secret, he says its caused by the rocks moving and squeezing quartz crystal, the peizoelectric (sp?) effect causing rainbow effects in the sky.
He also says he has no doubt TBTB have the technology for all kinds of weather manipulation. But says that the planet is clearing itself of negative energy.
There could be both being carried out.

skunksmash

03-05-2009, 11:46 AM

marpat

03-05-2009, 01:25 PM

Hi Marpat,

What the HAARP is about is not conventional radio waves; they are highly energetic electromagnetic radiation generated with thousands of volts.

I guess you know how companies find oil now a day; well, it´s the same principle, but generating far more energy. To find oil, what they do is direct a beam to the ground at a certain frequency (that of oil). If oil is in the path of that beam, it will resonate and will allow the equipment on ground to pick it up. Now imagine that this beam has been created with thousands of volts of energy and it covers all frequencies; once you direct it to the ground, you would have the whole ground (for miles around) resonating. Also, if you simply apply it on top of an unstable tectonic area, you will simply create an earthquake.

We certainly have the knowledge and technology to do it, and I have no doubt that it is already in the wrong hands.

Watch the last minute of this video and you will see of what they are capable of (taken in a Chinese school)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5532826124126710097

But solid matter would have quite a low frequency whereas the HAARP system is UHF/VHF. All big transmitters use thousands of volts so that is nothing unusual. I would think that oil is also quite low in vibration.

VHF and UHF is propogated by line of sight transmission so perhaps you can explain how the US could launch such an attack on China by such methods.

Can you provide some info in using radio waves for oil searches. Are you sure that such searches are not detection cavities in the earth rather than actual oil, similar to ground penetrating radar? I would think that such radar would indeed detect differences but this would not necessarily mean oil is present, just that a cavity exists that may contain oil. Would be interested to see some links.

I watched the last part of that video but it was nothing special, certainly doesnt prove HAARP can cause an earthquake. I was half expecting it to show an experiment in using VHF and UHV waves to cause tremors or something.

antinwo

03-05-2009, 01:32 PM

You see, I dont say these thing to be difficult. The way I see it people should eliminate the obvious answers first then look at conspiracies rather than going straight into the conspiracy theory.

Personally I still doubt the whole HAARP earthquake theory. I have a working knowledge of radio transmitters and wave propogation due to my job and cant see how high frequency radio waves can cause an earthquake. I have seen people quote teslas domino theory but I doubt solid matter of immense size would act like a row of dominos, especially as the earth varies in composition, layout, etc.

FFS Marpat how many jobs do you have???

marpat

03-05-2009, 01:34 PM

well...... there's some very ''plausible'' info there for you Marpat...

please tell us what it is you do & your involvement with radio wave technology.... so that when you come back to tell these boys they're talking crap, we can at least see you have some expertise in this field.....;)

:)SK

My trade is electronics. My training covered all sorts of electronic principles, radio systems and wave propogation, etc, etc, etc. Having worked on radio transmitters and radars I do have a level of experience that most in here do not. Fair enough I do not know everything but it makes me laugh when people who dont even know the basic components of a radio try to claim that they know HAARP can cause an earthquake, as if they would know.

I am interested in the backgrounds of people who believe such claims and spout them in the forum. I would have thought that if people were all so technologically aware that they must have high flying engineering jobs rather than stacking shelves in Asda or something.

marpat

03-05-2009, 01:36 PM

FFS Marpat how many jobs do you have???

My job is quite wide ranging in terms of equipment. One job with many aspects. If I move into a new role I get all the relevant training for that role.

marpat

03-05-2009, 01:38 PM

David Icke agrees with that, at least he does in his book The biggest Secret, he says its caused by the rocks moving and squeezing quartz crystal, the peizoelectric (sp?) effect causing rainbow effects in the sky.
He also says he has no doubt TBTB have the technology for all kinds of weather manipulation. But says that the planet is clearing itself of negative energy.
There could be both being carried out.

I thought it was more to do with energy particles being released due to the massive friction caused by plates grinding together. Friction does create heat, which then creates light. Not sure if it would matter if quartz is present or not.

flyermay

03-05-2009, 02:36 PM

But solid matter would have quite a low frequency whereas the HAARP system is UHF/VHF. All big transmitters use thousands of volts so that is nothing unusual. I would think that oil is also quite low in vibration.

Why do you suppose they are using UHF/VHF and not lower frequencies? I don’t remember saying that HAARP used a determined frequency, just said: "imagine what a beam transmitting at all frequencies could do". I see no reason to believe HAARP uses only determined frequencies, but instead I think they would use whatever frequency needed to achieve their goals.

But you are right about one thing: I made a mistake about the thousands of volts. I have just rechecked and it is millions of volts .

Radio tomography uses only 30 volts; as stated by a professional tomographer. According to him, the process of finding natural gas or crude oil consists in beaming radio wave beams to the ground and interpreting the frequencies that resonate (i.e. one frequency for each compound: natural gas, oil, etc.). This technology has been used at least since 1983, though I know of previous methods used to find cavities in the ground layers.

VHF and UHF is propogated by line of sight transmission so perhaps you can explain how the US could launch such an attack on China by such methods.

I never said the US is provoking earthquakes in China (which I don’t discard). But who tells you that the Chinese are not experimenting with the same technology?

Can you provide some info in using radio waves for oil searches. Are you sure that such searches are not detection cavities in the earth rather than actual oil, similar to ground penetrating radar? I would think that such radar would indeed detect differences but this would not necessarily mean oil is present, just that a cavity exists that may contain oil. Would be interested to see some links.

Please read above.

I watched the last part of that video but it was nothing special, certainly doesnt prove HAARP can cause an earthquake. I was half expecting it to show an experiment in using VHF and UHV waves to cause tremors or something.

So, you think that a perfect circle of light in the sky covering god knows how many miles, with four balls of light on each side is nothing special? I would really like to know how can you explain it in the first place, and what is common about it (as opposite of being special).

I know what you want, you want a mainstream scientist (or the whole scientific community) to come down your home, and demonstrate you the principle and applications of HAARP, is that it?

You could at least watch the whole video I posted before jumping to conclusions (it’s full of statements by real scientist; but I guess that’s not enough for you either). Just jump the interview from the beginning (around minute 5) and watch the rest.

marpat

03-05-2009, 02:42 PM

HAARP is a UHF/VHF scatterer. I find it hard to believe that people claim they know so much about it yet dont know that!!!!

marpat

03-05-2009, 02:57 PM

Why do you suppose they are using UHF/VHF and not lower frequencies? I don’t remember saying that HAARP used a determined frequency, just said: "imagine what a beam transmitting at all frequencies could do". I see no reason to believe HAARP uses only determined frequencies, but instead I think they would use whatever frequency needed to achieve their goals.

But you are right about one thing: I made a mistake about the thousands of volts. I have just rechecked and it is millions of volts .

Radio tomography uses only 30 volts; as stated by a professional tomographer. According to him, the process of finding natural gas or crude oil consists in beaming radio wave beams to the ground and interpreting the frequencies that resonate (i.e. one frequency for each compound: natural gas, oil, etc.). This technology has been used at least since 1983, though I know of previous methods used to find cavities in the ground layers.

I never said the US is provoking earthquakes in China (which I don’t discard). But who tells you that the Chinese are not experimenting with the same technology?

Please read above.

So, you think that a perfect circle of light in the sky covering god knows how many miles, with four balls of light on each side is nothing special? I would really like to know how can you explain it in the first place, and what is common about it (as opposite of being special).

I know what you want, you want a mainstream scientist (or the whole scientific community) to come down your home, and demonstrate you the principle and applications of HAARP, is that it?

You could at least watch the whole video I posted before jumping to conclusions (it’s full of statements by real scientist; but I guess that’s not enough for you either). Just jump the interview from the beginning (around minute 5) and watch the rest.

A beam transmitting all frequencies? do you have any idea what you are stating here. If you knew anything about wave propogation you might have an idea what I was talking about.

Watch the whole video? did you not say to watch the last minute, which I did. To be honest it would not suprise me in the least if all sorts of stuff was being developed but until people start explaining what they claim then I am just putting it down to fantasy. Maybe people are being distracted from the real developments by thinking they are onto something else.

I would be interested to here an explanation of how people think HAARP supposedly causes earthquakes with no bullshit theories. People believe too much without even knowing what they believe.

Radio tomography:

http://www.sudburyminingsolutions.com/articles/Exploration/06-06-SudburyPioneers.asp

Seems like both the transmitter and receiver have to be lowered into bore holes for that to work anyway, completely different to what you are claiming about HAARP.

flyermay

03-05-2009, 03:37 PM

A beam transmitting all frequencies? do you have any idea what you are stating here. If you knew anything about wave propogation you might have an idea what I was talking about.

It might seem as an imposiblity to you, but the fact is that you watch TV becuase you are getting a transmission across a range of frequencies (the carrier frequency, audio carrier, the audo data range of frequencies, the video carrier, and the video data range of frequency -all in the same beam-). You are not the only one with a degree in electronics.

Watch the whole video? did you not say to watch the last minute, which I did. To be honest it would not suprise me in the least if all sorts of stuff was being developed but until people start explaining what they claim then I am just putting it down to fantasy. Maybe people are being distracted from the real developments by thinking they are onto something else.

If you were really interested in anything else than just disregarding theories (as most people who post here), then you would have watched the whole video for simple curiosity and to learn about whatever creates a huge circle of light in the sky.

I would be interested to here an explanation of how people think HAARP supposedly causes earthquakes with no bullshit theories. People believe too much without even knowing what they believe.

Well... if you had watched the video I linked, you would have the HAARP project manager explaining it to you. Though I guess he is just another crack pot for your inmense intelligence.

Radio tomography:

http://www.sudburyminingsolutions.com/articles/Exploration/06-06-SudburyPioneers.asp

Seems like both the transmitter and receiver have to be lowered into bore holes for that to work anyway, completely different to what you are claiming about HAARP.

The tomography example, is just to explain what can be done with beams of radio waves (as stated in the video), it is not an explanation for HAARP, which is far more complicated and advance than a simple 30 volts beam to find materials in the earth (obviously).

marpat

03-05-2009, 03:46 PM

It might seem as an imposiblity to you, but the fact is that you watch TV becuase you are getting a transmission across a range of frequencies (the carrier frequency, audio carrier, the data range of frequencies, the video carrier, and the video data range of frequency -all in the same beam-). You are not the only one with a degree in electronics.

If you were really interested in anything else than just disregarding theories (as most people who post here), then you would have watched the whole video for simple curiosity and to learn about whatever creates a huge circle of light in the sky.

Well... if you had watched the video I linked, you would have the HAARP project manager explaining it to you. Though I guess he is just another crack pot for your inmense intelligence.

The tomography example, is just to explain what can be done with beams of radio waves (as stated in the video), it is not an explanation for HAARP, which is far more complicated and advance than a simple 30 volts beam to find materials in the earth.

TV frequencies are quite limited. They certainly do not constitue all frequencies.

What time on that vid is HAARP as I cant be arsed to watch an hour vid if there is no point, such as when you tried to make something out of the last minute.

You tried to use the idea of tomography as lead in to the idea of HAARP causing earthquakes by claiming HAARP is using a similar method to induce vibrations. Totally different concept and method.

Why dont you just state the scientific theory of how HAARP can cause an earthquake? you seem to believe you have the answers so why dont you show me some academic insight into how radio waves can cause an earthquake rather than resorting to youtube vids. I always prefer people to explain things to me rather than using second hand information.

flyermay

03-05-2009, 03:51 PM

TV frequencies are quite limited. They certainly do not constitue all frequencies.

As limited as you need them to be. That's no proof of the imposiblity of using a beam of frequencies as wide as you like.

What time on that vid is HAARP as I cant be arsed to watch an hour vid if there is no point, such as when you tried to make something out of the last minute.

Should I send you a transcription instead? Will that fit your schedule... I really have no interest in you understanding it, just don't go around saying that everyone is *nuts* because they talk about things you don't know nothing about.

You tried to use the idea of tomography as lead in to the idea of HAARP causing earthquakes by claiming HAARP is using a similar method to induce vibrations. Totally different concept and method.

Why dont you just state the scientific theory of how HAARP can cause an earthquake? you seem to believe you have the answers so why dont you show me some academic insight into how radio waves can cause an earthquake rather than resorting to youtube vids. I always prefer people to explain things to me rather than using second hand information.

Because I own you no explanation, nor I need you to understand anything. I don't need to research and explain something that is already common knoledge (for some, at least).

marpat

03-05-2009, 04:49 PM

As limited as you need them to be. That's no proof of the imposiblity of using a beam of frequencies as wide as you like.

Should I send you a transcription instead? Will that fit your schedule... I really have no interest in you understanding it, just don't go around saying that everyone is *nuts* because they talk about things you don't know nothing about.

Because I own you no explanation, nor I need you to understand anything. I don't need to research and explain something that is already common knoledge (for some, at least).

I think this says a lot. You dont need to research the subject because somebody else has come up with the answers that you want to hear.

Some would say that jesus having actually lived is common knowledge, others would say it is a fantasy.

There are a number of things that effect radio frequencies and how they are transmitted. All equipments have limitations.

So you are telling me that this guy is giving you the inside of this top secret project and the video is available in the public domain? I have actually downloaded some PDF files about HAARP which explain a lot of things about it. This links came from this forum. Didnt see anything in them about earthquakes though.

Did that guy actually claim HAARP can cause an earthquake and if so can you tell me at what point.

marpat

03-05-2009, 04:59 PM

I like how that guy tried to compare HAARP to a gun. The fact is that a gun may use a small amount of energy to trigger it but the actual power of the weapon is due to cordite in the bullet case and has nothing to do with the small pressure of the firing mechanism being amplified. What a stupid analogy he uses.

And what about Mr X? are we supposed to believe that he was passing valid information or could he be a conspiracy theorist looking for a way to get his theories noticed by posing an an inside person.

Also the piano analogy. Although sound is just another vibration it is not in the same league as radiation, being quite low in vibration. Perhaps that is why the piano sound vibrates around the house, because it of its low vibration. A radio wave would just pass through the wall.

Please note that the phased array can be point in various directions but this can only be within a limited field. If the vibration was trying to trigger an earthquake then how is it going to point at the ground 1000 miles away? some may say that a satellite would relay the beam but would such a beam not actually destroy the satellite by exactly the same method?

skunksmash

03-05-2009, 09:22 PM

maybe this has a little more credibility than my first vid.......;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qPCoOJE_X8

:)SK

marpat

03-05-2009, 09:53 PM

maybe this has a little more credibility than my first vid.......;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qPCoOJE_X8

:)SK

Interesting vid that. I do appreciate that it could have an effect on weather due to atmsopheric heating but there was no mention of earthquakes or the possibility of creating them.

I do have a question though. I have read that HAARP is UHF/VHF so how would a burst of radio transmission at that frequency come back down to earth? once you get above HF radiation travels in a straight line, which is why microwave dishes use line of sight. Lower frequencies bounce off the atmosphere and come down to earth, such as some of the older long range radio transmitters use. Because LF is so dependent upon the atmospheric conditions different frequencies have to be used in order to make the signal bounce back into the same area at different times, such as day and night. I do know that ELF is mentioned but that would have to be a modulating frequency rather than the carrier wave frequency as radiation from an aerial does not occur until 15khz.

banjoreality

03-05-2009, 10:31 PM

My trade is electronics. My training covered all sorts of electronic principles, radio systems and wave propogation, etc, etc, etc. Having worked on radio transmitters and radars I do have a level of experience that most in here do not. Fair enough I do not know everything but it makes me laugh when people who dont even know the basic components of a radio try to claim that they know HAARP can cause an earthquake, as if they would know.

I am interested in the backgrounds of people who believe such claims and spout them in the forum. I would have thought that if people were all so technologically aware that they must have high flying engineering jobs rather than stacking shelves in Asda or something.

You are a specialist in radars? so you can explain to everybody how HAARP works then, you also might be interested in listening to HAARP base directors boasting about heating up the ionosphere until it is deformed and pushed several thousand km spacebound.... please explain what you DO know about the subject.

marpat

03-05-2009, 10:56 PM

You are a specialist in radars? so you can explain to everybody how HAARP works then, you also might be interested in listening to HAARP base directors boasting about heating up the ionosphere until it is deformed and pushed several thousand km spacebound.... please explain what you DO know about the subject.

What I would say to you is to learn about raditation, RF energy and wave propogation. If you learn the principles of the subject you can then get a better idea of what it can or cannot do.

banjoreality

03-05-2009, 11:02 PM

What I would say to you is to learn about raditation, RF energy and wave propogation. If you learn the principles of the subject you can then get a better idea of what it can or cannot do.

pray tell me what you think it can do?

antinwo

04-05-2009, 04:57 PM

My job is quite wide ranging in terms of equipment. One job with many aspects. If I move into a new role I get all the relevant training for that role.

What bugs me is your job seems to change to something new all the time in order to match the conspiracy:confused:

banjoreality

04-05-2009, 07:16 PM

What bugs me is your job seems to change to something new all the time in order to match the conspiracy:confused:
of what profession was he from previously?

marpat

04-05-2009, 07:26 PM

What bugs me is your job seems to change to something new all the time in order to match the conspiracy:confused:

How is that? I have never professed to be working in anything other than electronics in a military role.

skunksmash

04-05-2009, 07:36 PM

How is that? I have never professed to be working in anything other than electronics in a military role.

ahh, so it is military.....

is this why you so adamantly refuse to believe the ppl in command couldn't possibly be covertly killing off millions a year, b/c you help them carry out their agenda..??

surly after the vid i posted, while it makes no mention of earthquakes it certainly explains how its used as a weapon....:eek:

will you now at least concede that it IS used in various ways to coheres & confuse ppl..... or that it has the very real potential of being the cause of most bush fires..??

have we cleared up its obvious potential for military application at least..??

:)SK

marpat

04-05-2009, 07:54 PM

ahh, so it is military.....

is this why you so adamantly refuse to believe the ppl in command couldn't possibly be covertly killing off millions a year, b/c you help them carry out their agenda..??

surly after the vid i posted, while it makes no mention of earthquakes it certainly explains how its used as a weapon....:eek:

will you now at least concede that it IS used in various ways to coheres & confuse ppl..... or that it has the very real potential of being the cause of most bush fires..??

have we cleared up its obvious potential for military application at least..??

:)SK

Well it does seem to have some applications as a weapon. We could say a radar is a weapon because it would slowly cook you if over exposed. I know how phased arrays work. They have some limitations in how much you can direct the beam.

Dont bore me by trying to claim I help to kill people. We could say that every person who pays their taxes is funding such killing. If millions of people are being killed every year then where are all the bodies, the coffins, the graves, etc, etc. I guess you can imaging it in your room but I reckon reality is a different picture.

So have we ascertained that HAARP cannot be used to make earthquakes?

Lets face it though, some of the people against it in the vid had some pretty crap arguements, like the guy trying to compare it to a gun.

skunksmash

04-05-2009, 08:02 PM

Well it does seem to have some applications as a weapon. We could say a radar is a weapon because it would slowly cook you if over exposed. I know how phased arrays work. They have some limitations in how much you can direct the beam.

Dont bore me by trying to claim I help to kill people. We could say that every person who pays their taxes is funding such killing. If millions of people are being killed every year then where are all the bodies, the coffins, the graves, etc, etc. I guess you can imaging it in your room but I reckon reality is a different picture.

So have we ascertained that HAARP cannot be used to make earthquakes?

Lets face it though, some of the people against it in the vid had some pretty crap arguements, like the guy trying to compare it to a gun.

cmon now Marpat, your evading having to give me a straight answer, by ending with another.....:p

forget quakes for a minute..... given its a FACT many countries are using this technology do you now concede HAARP can be & no doubt is being used as a weapon..??

& have you heard ABSOLUTELY nothing about it..?? & dont cover for your ARMY chums.....lol

:)SK

marpat

04-05-2009, 08:15 PM

cmon now Marpat, your evading having to give me a straight answer, by ending with another.....:p

forget quakes for a minute..... given its a FACT many countries are using this technology do you now concede HAARP can be & no doubt is being used as a weapon..??

& have you heard ABSOLUTELY nothing about it..?? & dont cover for your ARMY chums.....lol

:)SK

I did say that it may find some use as one. Depends how you mean though. Missile defence shields? I can see how it would be useful as it could fire a very high power radio pulse along a narrow beam to destroy or disrupt guidance systems by inducing huge power surges in the circuitry. Also, C3 is a very important part of any war and to destroy and enemies C3 would be a huge aid.

You claim it IS being used as a weapon. Please elaborate on how and where.

Not being in the US forces I have not head of it except via this forum.

skunksmash

04-05-2009, 09:02 PM

I did say that it may find some use as one. Depends how you mean though. Missile defence shields? I can see how it would be useful as it could fire a very high power radio pulse along a narrow beam to destroy or disrupt guidance systems by inducing huge power surges in the circuitry. Also, C3 is a very important part of any war and to destroy and enemies C3 would be a huge aid.

You claim it IS being used as a weapon. Please elaborate on how and where.

Not being in the US forces I have not head of it except via this forum.

i used the words.. ''probably'' & ''no doubt'', none of us are ever 100%, but you have failed to mention its capability to eradicate the earths magnetic field completely in a localized area allowing the full force of the sun to penetrate & produce bush fires which kill hundreds if not thousands...??

this is where i believe its being used (& maybe millions of localized volts could have a tectonic affect = earthquakes) but its also (as the vid states) being used directly to manipulate brain patterns....god knows to what end, how do we even know the ''mobile phone'' is not in some way resonating on those low brain frequencies also....

but i can give no proof, all we can do is....

look at the tech, what are its capabilities

look at the ppl who control it, whats their agenda

look at the public, is any of it having an affect or has it ever had an affect

after we've looked at all these we must then speculate using the ''law of averages'' & summise theyre deployment....

& i have to say looking at those aspects certainly DOES NOT point to them creating free energy or ways to feed the world, it points to ''how much can we earn'' which invariably means someone dies....

:)SK

marpat

04-05-2009, 09:19 PM

I would have to look into that magnetic field stuff to get a better opinion on what the risks are.

marpat

04-05-2009, 09:28 PM

Found this interesting site:

http://www.abidemiracles.com/65602.htm

marpat

04-05-2009, 10:08 PM

http://www.vlf.it/ewer3/spectrum1.html

Build you own VLF receiver

skunksmash

05-05-2009, 09:54 AM

I would have to look into that magnetic field stuff to get a better opinion on what the risks are.

thanks Marpat..... that place is packed with HAARP goodies... ;)

thought these were worth a read...

1995_POPULATION_KEEN.--"Cut the population by 90% and there aren't enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage." --Dr. Sam Keen, philosopher, at the 'State of the World Forum', sponsored by the Gorbachev Foundation and attended by many worldleaders, San Francisco, 1995, as quoted by William Jasper in 'Global Gorby', The New American, Oct. 30, 1995

1995_ZHIRINOVSKY_NWO.--"There has long been a hidden agenda to merge America and Russia under the New World Order." -- Vladimir Zhirinovsky, Nov. 9, 1994, quoted in the 'McAlvany Intelligence Advisor', March 1995, at a press conference at the U.N.

this is happening now.....

:)SK

anthony65

05-05-2009, 11:24 AM

I've created a new thread regarding manmade earthquakes...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=970680#post970680

marpat

05-05-2009, 09:43 PM

thanks Marpat..... that place is packed with HAARP goodies... ;)

thought these were worth a read...

this is happening now.....

:)SK

Cut the population by 90% and there will be very few people around to do the dirty work

flyermay

05-05-2009, 10:28 PM

Cut the population by 90% and there will be very few people around to do the dirty work

They now have machinery and computers to do the work; the rest of the 10% will be just servants (both for the elite and the machines)!!!

Let's face it, they don't need so many of us any more.

cleopatraxxx

06-05-2009, 03:03 PM

http://www.bariumblues.com/HAARP_chemtrails_earthquakes.htm

Main Page Bariumblues.com

HAARP, Chemtrails and Earthquakes – Any connection?
by Ian Brockwell

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/65097
June 16, 2008

There has been a lot of speculation on the internet recently about whether HAARP is in some way connected to the recent earthquake in China (and possibly other events). Photos of strange clouds (with rainbow colors) have been sighted shortly before the earthquake occurred.

Whilst these clouds (called perihelion or Sun-Dogs) could easily be created by natural conditions, we can´t rule out the possibility that a man-made effect could have played some part in their appearance as well.

The colors we see in a Rainbow are created by White light passing through a prism, which distorts the light to create the beautiful image we are all familiar with. A prism is usually triangular, with two refracting surfaces set at an acute angle to each other.

A Rainbow occurs when the Sun is lower than 42 degrees, whereas a perihelion occurs at 22 degrees on each side of the Sun (and at the same elevation as the Sun).

HAARP creates High Frequency waves that are extremely powerful (an adaptation of an invention by Tesla) and most experts believe that HAARP can indeed produce enough energy to cause an earthquake (among other things). Is it possible that the High Frequency waves from HAARP produce a kind of prism as it hits the Earth's surface?

The following extract, regarding colors and light might be of interest:

"Newton had discovered that color comes from plucking this rainbow of light. But what is light? The modern answer to that question came two centuries after Newton, when Scottish physicist James Clerk Maxwell declared that light is a vibrating field of electrical and magnetic energy: an electromagnetic field passing through empty space like a wave traveling across the sea. The frequency of the vibrations increases from the red to the violet end of the spectrum, thus determining the perceived color of the light. The wavelength of these light waves gets shorter as the frequency gets higher.

But not all color is generated this way. The rainbow's variegated arc results from refraction, the bending of lights rays as they pass from one medium to another (in this case, from air to the water in raindrops). Another physical color-producing process is scattering: the dispersal of light in all directions by particles in the atmosphere that are about as big as a single wavelength. Light scattering is what makes the sky blue. Rays from the sun are scattered by atmospheric dust, sending the light bouncing in all directions. These dust particles scatter more high-frequency light than low-frequency light, so blue light bounces around in the atmosphere and reaches our eyes from all parts of the sky."

Is light affected by the High Frequency waves of HAARP?

Apart from the ability to create earthquakes, it is believed that HAARP can also affect the weather (make storms much stronger) and take down missiles. But what is the real purpose behind this invention? Is it some deadly new weapon?

Let's assume for a moment that its main purpose is that of a military weapon, at least one person claims that an earlier earthquake in Japan was the result of HAARP.

Unfortunately, the HAARP device is not that difficult to reproduce, so if America can build one, so can other countries, and this brings us to the Chemtrail connection.

I have long thought that Chemtrails were an attempt to block out the affects of the Sun or other galactic rays, in order to reduce the effects of Global Warming. An article by Ted Twietmeyer has also looked at this and points out that if this is the case, it does not seem to be having any affect. I would have to agree that temperatures do not appear to have been significantly reduced, and this either confirms that Chemtrails are not working (if this it what they are designed to do), or maybe they are, and temperatures would be much higher if they weren´t being used. It´s impossible to say for sure.

What I did find very interesting in Ted Twietmeyer´s article was the information he had been given on the content of Chemtrails. Ted has written many articles on this subject and has a great eye for detail (be sure to read his information on NASA and Mars!). As you will see from his article, Chemtrails contain a number of interesting compounds.

To cut a long story short, these compounds (metallic in nature) are ideal for blocking/deflecting (or at least reducing) microwaves or electro magnetic effects etc. Whilst this still could be for the purpose of reducing the effects of Global Warming, it could also have some benefit in shielding a potential attack from a HAARP device in another country.

Without more information or proof, we can only speculate. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that we are already witnessing a war, a war that does not involve conventional weapons, but a device that creates "natural" disasters that can be equally devastating.

There are of course many dangers to using such a device. The first obviously is what happens when the other side obtains the same capabilities? The second, which is less predictable, is what side effects can we expect? Creating earthquakes involves "shaking" tectonic plates so that they move (which is what causes the damage), but the movement of one plate can potentially affect others, and this could cause a domino effect (producing earthquakes in other parts of the world).

I´m sure we will hear much more on this subject in the future, and can only hope that those who use devices like HAARP consider all the consequences of their actions.

GILLY!!!!! :)the article shed total light, imo, to WHY and WHAT FOR the CHEMTRAILS are USED:

"Another physical color-producing process is scattering: the dispersal of light in all directions by particles in the atmosphere that are about as big as a single wavelength. Light scattering is what makes the sky blue. Rays from the sun are scattered by atmospheric dust, sending the light bouncing in all directions. These dust particles scatter more high-frequency light than low-frequency light, so blue light bounces around in the atmosphere and reaches our eyes from all parts of the sky."

Is light affected by the High Frequency waves of HAARP?

Apart from the ability to create earthquakes, it is believed that HAARP can also affect the weather (make storms much stronger) and take down missiles. But what is the real purpose behind this invention? Is it some deadly new weapon?

Let's assume for a moment that its main purpose is that of a military weapon, at least one person claims that an earlier earthquake in Japan was the result of HAARP.

Unfortunately, the HAARP device is not that difficult to reproduce, so if America can build one, so can other countries, and this brings us to the Chemtrail connection.
What I did find very interesting in Ted Twietmeyer´s article was the information he had been given on the content of Chemtrails. Ted has written many articles on this subject and has a great eye for detail (be sure to read his information on NASA and Mars!). As you will see from his article, Chemtrails contain a number of interesting compounds.

To cut a long story short, these compounds (metallic in nature) are ideal for blocking/deflecting (or at least reducing) microwaves or electro magnetic effects etc. Whilst this still could be for the purpose of reducing the effects of Global Warming, it could also have some [COLOR="Blue"]benefit in shielding a potential attack from a HAARP device in another country.[/COLOR"

so, ok we have BRITAIN, USA, EUROPE, RUSSIA and some south-american countries shileding themselves from each other's HAARP devices that can damage the economy evne more if a disaster created or sent upon them.

I AM A WITNESS THAT IN AFRICAN COUNTRIES THEY CAN'T SPRAY AS MUCH THEIR SKIES, because IT IS AN ECONOMICALLY COSTLY PROCEDURE!
That makes sense to me as to WHY i have tons of photos of totally HAARPed skies, effect of whixh you can verify by looking at the sectioned clouds. square angles in them, on the edges and clouds with square edged holes! YOu can't have square angles in clouds naturally! so, since i arrived in the UK in the past two years, i ahve witnessed a bit of HAAROP effects in the clouds, but we are ALL WITNESSES TO MILLIONS OF DAILY CHEMTRAILS ABOVE OUR HEADS!!!!

Because chemtrails are real and obviously full of metallic chemicals, like barium and more ( see other threads on Chemtrails) we become affected not only in mood modification, but also have serious respiratory problems increased all over as noticed in the last 5 years.

can the any of the involved governments admit they are playing with the weather? not really! why? we would have OUTRAGE of the worlds populations over this matter. obviously because the games they are making are WEATHER WARS between countries, not the creation of clouds to bring rains into dry lands, etc... Governments would have to accept the guilt of man-made earthquakes and generated from that (when underwater) tsunamis which are not natural and which cause great destruction, bringing economical damage to the country affected by such weapons like HAARP which is above all in the case of the 2004 INDONESIAN tsunami and the last Chinese mega earthquake a GENOCIDE. Of course, there are natural earthquakes and to say when it was man-made or natural would become a huge problem. and that is why they keep quite becasue it is a terrible thing if it becomes public.
Not to mention that playing such games like HAARP, they kill the eco-environments by breaking the natural migration of birds, the "unexplained" beaching of dolphins and whales, the melting of the poles making polar bears die sooner, etc.