HAARP, Chemtrails, etc.

[beldazar]

I can't believe what I'm reading!!!

Do you realise what you are saying?

Quite! :eek:
True colours shining through......:(

[cleopatraxxx]

flyerman,

i learnt that with marpat it is a waist of time to talk about anything. he came to this forum to discredit, ridicule and disinfo regarding anything!

LOL, he is definitely a waist of time... and space too.

all i see him doing is waisitng peoples time here... so i stopped bothering reading any of his coments on the forum, i simply skip them. When i saw beldazar's reply, i then decided to see what was going on, and once again, i found out that marpat is a waist of time and space!

Regards
Cleo

[flyermay]

i learnt that with marpat it is a waist of time to talk about anything. he came to this forum to discredit, ridicule and disinfo regarding anything!

Thanks Cleo,

I thought the same about marpat, that he just enjoyed logging in to discredit any conspiracy "fact". However, yesterday I realised, due to his comment, that he does not only discredits, but that he also supports the NWO's fascist plans, and that he is here to distract our comments with ridiculous excuses that he cannot even defend.

Don't be surprised if you find more of that ilk in this forum; I realised it's full of them spreading their sick pro-establishment propaganda.

[fekdemasons]

fuck em all in the ear !!!

[beldazar]

Don't be surprised if you find more of that ilk in this forum; of them spreading .

Yeah he's called Fuzzylogic, lol :D

[banjoreality]

fuck em all in the ear !!!

I double that.

[marpat]

Wow look at all the bitches coming out now. I have an opinion on people taking some responsibility for producing large families and people act like that is wrong. If people can afford such large families then fair enough but too many people are happy to keep having kids without any means to support their family and people like me end up paying tax to support them.

Lets get back to the subject though rather than building your bonfires. I think skunk seemed happy to dismiss the idea that HAARP caused an earthquake and I saw nothing to prove that it did.

[beldazar]

It was the way you said it Marpat, and here we go with the taxes thing...what about the billions going to pay the wages for people like you involved in the great big war machine huh?

I know where I would rather the money goes.....:rolleyes:

[flyermay]

Lets get back to the subject though rather than building your bonfires.

:D No, no, no, no... The HAARP discussion has been cancelled in favour of the BONFIRE; the people of this forum have decided already!!!

Tell us marpat, what would you and your masters do with all those irresponsible couples that keep on having children ???

I guess that it is fine those rich bastards to have as many kids as they like and populate the whole earth, as they have enough slaves to maintain them.

[marpat]

:D No, no, no, no... The HAARP discussion has been cancelled in favour of the BONFIRE; the people of this forum have decided already!!!

Tell us marpat, what would you and your masters do with all those irresponsible couples that keep on having children ???

I guess that it is fine those rich bastards to have as many kids as they like and populate the whole earth, as they have enough slaves to maintain them.

I just think that if people want big families they should at least have some way to support them. I would not do anything to such couples, I just dont think it is responsible for them to pop kids out without any real thought or consideration. I take it you are trying to extract some sort of answer that would imply getting rid of them. Wrong person.

My masters? you live by their rules to. You are as much a slave to the government as anybody else it.

It is amazing how negative people can be towards others for having a different opinion. Infinite love and all that, yeah right. The people of the forum? so you just go with the majority then? that would make you a bit of a sheep then.

[marpat]

It was the way you said it Marpat, and here we go with the taxes thing...what about the billions going to pay the wages for people like you involved in the great big war machine huh?

I know where I would rather the money goes.....:rolleyes:

Well I am grateful to the tax payers for funding my lifestyle. A pay rise would be nice though as I dont earn that much.

[flyermay]

Well I am grateful to the tax payers for funding my lifestyle.

Does that pay includes the desinfo posted in this forum? :rolleyes:

[marpat]

Does that pay includes the desinfo posted in this forum? :rolleyes:

OMG you have actually posted that. It always makes me laugh when people say that. I do this for fun.

[beldazar]

. I do this for fun.


Yeah I can believe that...sick sense of humour mind....

[marpat]

Yeah I can believe that...sick sense of humour mind....

What is sick about enjoying coming in here for a debate? oh I forgot, you need to have a funectomy before people accept you in here.

[cleopatraxxx]

OMG you have actually posted that. It always makes me laugh when people say that. I do this for fun.

are we surprised?
he does this "FOR FUN". cheeky b*strd, fascist (I agree with you on that too beldazar), definitely...
as i said, marpat is a waste of space!

LOL...


as to INFINITE LOVE, yes for sure.... and PITTY too for those like you, satanists...your time is coming ;)

[flyermay]

What is sick about enjoying coming in here for a debate? oh I forgot, you need to have a funectomy before people accept you in here.

Just one question more: are you a freemason?

[marpat]

Just one question more: are you a freemason?

Nope but I do like that you go there :D

[marpat]

are we surprised?
he does this "FOR FUN". cheeky b*strd, fascist (I agree with you on that too beldazar), definitely...
as i said, marpat is a waste of space!

LOL...


as to INFINITE LOVE, yes for sure.... and PITTY too for those like you, satanists...your time is coming ;)

Oh I am just crapping myself.

[flyermay]

Nope but I do like that you go there :D

I guess that's because you are a luciferian, is that it? :)

[margaretr]

To really learn what HAARP is capable of, watch this
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com
interview with 'Jerry E Smith'

[fekdemasons]

Oh I am just crapping myself.


It may improve your odeous stench

:p:p

[skunksmash]

lol.... making friends as usual Marpat.....:rolleyes:, & i never once said they couldn't create an earthquake, i just cant provide anything concrete to throw around the forum, you obviously have some Radar & frequency knowledge so i aint gonna get into a ''who knows most'' handbags at dawn scenario with ya b/c the truth is i just dont know.....but its a very strong possibility...

& if not earthquakes i think we've established its applications as a mind altering weapon...... & a few weeks ago you were adamant HAARP was nothing more than a radio transmitter...




:)SK

[masonicboom]

It may improve your odeous stench

:p:p

Sorry bout that, its me rotting, or something. Still can't isolate source or cause. I think its fucking Emeril sold his smellovision technology to the (CENSORED)

[masonicboom]

fuck em all in the ear !!!

Please no Sonic Weaponry here.

[marpat]

lol.... making friends as usual Marpat.....:rolleyes:, & i never once said they couldn't create an earthquake, i just cant provide anything concrete to throw around the forum, you obviously have some Radar & frequency knowledge so i aint gonna get into a ''who knows most'' handbags at dawn scenario with ya b/c the truth is i just dont know.....but its a very strong possibility...

& if not earthquakes i think we've established its applications as a mind altering weapon...... & a few weeks ago you were adamant HAARP was nothing more than a radio transmitter...




:)SK

But it is a radio transmitter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! many of the things that people claim about it though are fiction, such as making earthquakes

[marpat]

It amazes me when people who claim to stand for truth and free thinking have to resort to attacks and abuse against those who merely question their claims. Typical cult behaviour. Guess I disrupt peoples belief systems and comfort zones by asking questions. It is not hard to be very popular in here, all you have to do with agree with every word from Ickes mouth

[flyermay]

But it is a radio transmitter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! many of the things that people claim about it though are fiction, such as making earthquakes

Don't start with that again, I just showed you the testimony of a professional tomographer (who know far more about the subject that you) and he says it is perfectly possible.

[marpat]

Don't start with that again, I just showed you the testimony of a professional tomographer (who know far more about the subject that you) and he says it is perfectly possible.

But it is a radio transmitter. It transmits radio waves at UHF/VHF frequency.

You trust the views of one person when you dont know the subject yourself to analyse what he is saying, that is if he is a legitimate tomographer? how many times do you see scientists disagree on important subjects because they approach them from different angles?

If we look at some of the vids posted some of the anti HAARP people are talking crap, like the guy who suggets that the bullet coming out of a gun is propelled by the action of the firing pin rather than the explosive cordite.

[deca]

here my thinking it had to do with starwars project DARPA and the militray complex i.e its owned by BAE systems but its just a simple a little old radio transmiter and not an ionosphere heater then?

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/faq.html
in there own words so come on marpart its a bit more than But it is a radio transmitter. It transmits radio waves at UHF/VHF frequency.


HAARP is a scientific endeavor aimed at studying the properties and behavior of the ionosphere, with particular emphasis on being able to understand and use it to enhance communications and surveillance systems for both civilian and defense purposes.

What is HAARP?
HAARP stands for The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program. The goal of this program is to further advance our knowledge of the physical and electrical properties of the Earth's ionosphere which can affect our military and civilian communication and navigation systems. The HAARP program operates a world-class ionospheric research facility located in Gakona, Alaska.


What kind of research will be conducted at the HAARP facility?
The research to be conducted at HAARP falls into two broad categories:

1. The study of basic natural processes that occur in the ionosphere under the natural but much stronger influence of solar interaction. This includes studying how the natural ionosphere affects radio signals with the goal of developing techniques that may be available for mitigating these effects to improve the reliability and/or the performance of communication and navigation systems.
2. Development of technology to use effects produced through ionospheric interactions. One example of this is learning how to generate new signals in the ELF range for the real application of subsurface communications.

Can HAARP be used to generate ELF?
Yes. However, the HAARP facility does not directly transmit signals in the ELF frequency range. Instead, ELF signals are generated in the ionosphere at an altitude of around 100 km. Frequencies ranging from below one Hz to about 20 kHz can be generated through this ionospheric interaction process.

[marpat]

here my thinking it had to do with starwars project DARPA and the militray complex i.e its owned by BAE systems but its just a simple a little old radio transmiter and not an ionosphere heater then?

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/faq.html
in there own words so come on marpart its a bit more than But it is a radio transmitter. It transmits radio waves at UHF/VHF frequency.

Sorry but I think you have made an errornous assumption. I never said it was not an ionospheric heater and I can accept it does this by generating very high power RF energy.

I thought that the way it worked with ELF was by using the ionosphere as a modulator/ demodulator. ELF cannot be transmitted as a carrier wave because the frequency is too low. An aerial will only start to radiate at around 15khz.

I suppose you are going to tell me that you get personally attacked by HAARP

[deca]

I thought that the way it worked with ELF was by using the ionosphere as a modulator/ demodulator. ELF cannot be transmitted as a carrier wave because the frequency is too low. An aerial will only start to radiate at around 15khz.

I suppose you are going to tell me that you get personally attacked by HAARP

I don`t know were my ELF that I have detected come from.

I still waiting for you to explain them!!!!!

wk end prt3 - YouTube

And don`t say they come from the electrical wiring, it was switched off in this video

some of the nice chemies I get above my house
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9207/photo0218zm0.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photo0218zm0.jpg)

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3505/photo0207tx8.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photo0207tx8.jpg)

[marpat]

I don`t know were my ELF that I have detected come from.

I still waiting for you to explain them!!!!!



And don`t say they come from the electrical wiring, it was switched off in this video



Maybe they were generated from a natural source. Did you eliminate that?

[deca]

Lets forget the V2k (microwave hearing effect) i am subjected to and the other symptoms I get .....what neutral source are you suggesting?

[marpat]

Lets forget the V2k (microwave hearing effect) i am subjected to and the other symptoms I get .....what neutral source are you suggesting?

Why dont you try reading up on ELF occuring in the natural environment.

[flyermay]

But it is a radio transmitter. It transmits radio waves at UHF/VHF frequency.

I'm sorry, but as I told you, I am far more qualified in the field than you are. Or don't you remember when you put your credibility on the line assuring that a bean cannot carry more than one frequency (which I demonstrated to be absolute crap with the simple example of a TV signal)?

Now, let's test your knowledge in the area again... (God, this is just ridiculous)... You affirm now that because the HAARP antennas are radio transmitters, they can only work in UHF/VHF. Well, for your information, UHF and VHF are just two of the possible ranges of radio wavelengths. In fact, anyone with a minimum knowledge in the area knows that the radio wave spectrum includes:

ELF up to 3 Hz
SLF 3 to 30 Hz
VF/ULF 30 to 300 Hz
VLF 3 to 30 kHz
LF 30 to 300 kHz
MF 300 to 3000 kHz
HF 3 to 30 MHz
VHF 30 to 300 MHz
UHF 300 to 3000 MHz
SHF 3 to 30 GHz
EHF 30 to 300 GHz


Now, please come again with your new “discredit theory”, I won’t let this issue go until I find out what you really know about the subject.

You trust the views of one person when you dont know the subject yourself to analyse what he is saying, that is if he is a legitimate tomographer? how many times do you see scientists disagree on important subjects because they approach them from different angles?

This is completely out of the question. The reason I stopped arguing with you is because I saw that you have no idea of what you are talking about and I saw no point on wasting my time with you, but I assure you: you are going to make a huge ridiculous arguing with me on this particular subject. And you disserve it!!!

If we look at some of the vids posted some of the anti HAARP people are talking crap, like the guy who suggets that the bullet coming out of a gun is propelled by the action of the firing pin rather than the explosive cordite.

You are just not getting the point of the examples (as usual): is it so difficult to understand that he is referring to unleashing the stored elastic tectonic energy in a fault; in the same way that you unleash the energy of the powder in the bullet?

What’s so confusing?

[deca]

Why dont you try reading up on ELF occuring in the natural environment.

Marpat I have my cause of these ELF , Its from goverment agency/military complex mind control & electronic harassment program.

Its other people trying to tell me I am mistaken and it has to be from something else!!!!!!

You brought the occuring in the natural environment? not me.

I just don`t think I am near any fault lines, hot spots etc.....any way

Yes this can happen natural if you look at Dr M persingers work.

[skunksmash]

I'm sorry, but as I told you, I am far more qualified in the field than you are. Or don't you remember when you put your credibility on the line assuring that a bean cannot carry more than one frequency (which I demonstrated to be absolute crap with the simple example of a TV signal)?

Now, let's test your knowledge in the area again... (God, this is just ridiculous)... You affirm now that because the HAARP antennas are radio transmitters, they can only work in UHF/VHF. Well, for your information, UHF and VHF are just two of the possible ranges of radio wavelengths (which by the way, are not even used for conventional radio, but for terrestrial television). In fact, anyone with a minimum knowledge in the area knows that the radio wave spectrum includes:
ELF up to 3 Hz
SLF 3 to 30 Hz
VF/ULF 30 to 300 Hz
VLF 3 to 30 kHz
LF 30 to 300 kHz
MF 300 to 3000 kHz
HF 3 to 30 MHz
VHF 30 to 300 MHz
UHF 300 to 3000 MHz
SHF 3 to 30 GHz
EHF 30 to 300 GHz
Now, please come again with your new “discredit theory”, I won’t let this issue go until I find out what you really know about the subject.



This is completely out of the question. The reason I stopped arguing with you is because I saw that you have no idea of what you are talking about and I saw no point on wasting my time with you, but I assure you: you are going to make a huge ridiculous arguing with me on this particular subject. And you disserve it!!!



You are just not getting the point of the examples (as usual): is it so difficult to understand that he is referring to unleashing the stored elastic tectonic energy in a fault; in the same way that you unleash the energy of the powder in the bullet?

What’s so confusing?


nice....... :D:D

flyermay = 15 luv / Marpt to serve....





:)SK

[marpat]

I'm sorry, but as I told you, I am far more qualified in the field than you are. Or don't you remember when you put your credibility on the line assuring that a bean cannot carry more than one frequency (which I demonstrated to be absolute crap with the simple example of a TV signal)?

Now, let's test your knowledge in the area again... (God, this is just ridiculous)... You affirm now that because the HAARP antennas are radio transmitters, they can only work in UHF/VHF. Well, for your information, UHF and VHF are just two of the possible ranges of radio wavelengths (which by the way, are not even used for conventional radio, but for terrestrial television). In fact, anyone with a minimum knowledge in the area knows that the radio wave spectrum includes:

ELF up to 3 Hz
SLF 3 to 30 Hz
VF/ULF 30 to 300 Hz
VLF 3 to 30 kHz
LF 30 to 300 kHz
MF 300 to 3000 kHz
HF 3 to 30 MHz
VHF 30 to 300 MHz
UHF 300 to 3000 MHz
SHF 3 to 30 GHz
EHF 30 to 300 GHz


Now, please come again with your new “discredit theory”, I won’t let this issue go until I find out what you really know about the subject.



This is completely out of the question. The reason I stopped arguing with you is because I saw that you have no idea of what you are talking about and I saw no point on wasting my time with you, but I assure you: you are going to make a huge ridiculous arguing with me on this particular subject. And you disserve it!!!



You are just not getting the point of the examples (as usual): is it so difficult to understand that he is referring to unleashing the stored elastic tectonic energy in a fault; in the same way that you unleash the energy of the powder in the bullet?

What’s so confusing?

Radiation occurs when an AC current frequency is so high that it can only move in one direction, namely outwards. This is my understanding of it. The frequency when this occurs is around 15khz. That is not to say you cannot transmit lower frequencies. To transmit anything on a lower frequency would require a carrier wave of at least 15 khz with a modulating frequency over the top of it. When this is received the carrier frequency is stripped off and you are left with the ELF. If you know something different then please give some details. You claim you have vast knowledge but lets see you use it. Maybe time has made me forget some details.

If a frequency is below this threshold what you have got is basically an electrical current in a wire. A basic antenna is made by bending a wire at the correct distance from the end of the wire relative to the V&I phases, which are inversely proportional.

I am fully aware of what radio frequencies are and the bands. I am also aware of the tpye of propogation and how an antenna length is calculated.

There is plenty of info that claims HAARP is a VHF/UHF scatterer.

VHF and UHF are used for aircraft comms in military and civil aviation. Try reading up on it.

I dont think you are qualified in anything really. I think that what you have done is to take a little time to read up on the matter then come back claiming you know all sorts of stuff. You certainly did not demonstrate anything before when you have many chances.

[fekdemasons]

It amazes me when people who claim to stand for truth and free thinking have to resort to attacks and abuse against those who merely question their claims. Typical cult behaviour. Guess I disrupt peoples belief systems and comfort zones by asking questions. It is not hard to be very popular in here, all you have to do with agree with every word from Ickes mouth


The fact remains , wether or not I agree with David Icke or not , I see them with my own eyes and you can't come up with a single logical explanation as to what they are. Contrails ? like Fuck. I've lived a mile from Runways at heathrow for 30 years.

You show me evidence their harmless. YOur allways ridiculing , well put it to bed once and for all.

[marpat]

The fact remains , wether or not I agree with David Icke or not , I see them with my own eyes and you can't come up with a single logical explanation as to what they are. Contrails ? like Fuck. I've lived a mile from Runways at heathrow for 30 years.

You show me evidence their harmless. YOur allways ridiculing , well put it to bed once and for all.

Wear a respirator if it is so harmful. If you refuse then you are aiding your own poisoning

[flyermay]

Radiation occurs when an AC current frequency is so high that it can only move in one direction, namely outwards. This is my understanding of it. The frequency when this occurs is around 15khz. That is not to say you cannot transmit lower frequencies. To transmit anything on a lower frequency would require a carrier wave of at least 15 khz with a modulating frequency over the top of it. When this is received the carrier frequency is stripped off and you are left with the ELF. If you know something different then please give some details. You claim you have vast knowledge but lets see you use it. Maybe time has made me forget some details.

Ok, Let's look at your new statement (which I will obviously add to: "a beam cannot transmit more than one frequency" and "radio transmitters only work in VHF/UHF"): so according to your knowledge of the subject, you cannot transmit lower frequencies than 15KHz; is that it?

Then I would like to inform you that the following frequencies are commonly and extensively used in for the following purposes:

SubHZ (< 3 Hz)
Experimental transmissions of millihertz, microhertz, nanohertz
ELF (3–30 Hz)
Submarine Communications
SLF (30–300 Hz)
Submarine Communications
ULF (300–3000 Hz)
Communication within mines
VLF (3–30 kHz)
Submarine communication, avalanche beacons, wireless heart rate monitors, geophysics


Is there any other “law of radio transmission” included in your manual that you would like to share with us?

If a frequency is below this threshold what you have got is basically an electrical current in a wire. A basic antenna is made by bending a wire at the correct distance from the end of the wire relative to the V&I phases, which are inversely proportional.

It is simply ludicrous to assume that a top of the range billion dollar project like HAARP will be using any type of antenna you and I would be familiar with. Either way, and just so that I don’t also sin of arrogance (like you do), I will not argue about the exact type of antenna used in HAARP experiments; but I can tell you that they key of the project is in laying out an array and on the intensity of the generator (rather than on individual components).

I am fully aware of what radio frequencies are and the bands. I am also aware of the tpye of propogation and how an antenna length is calculated.

There is plenty of info that claims HAARP is a VHF/UHF scatterer.

Please show me any official source that lead you to believe that statement is true. So far, my statements have been supported with references from experts; I expect the same of you.

VHF and UHF are used for aircraft comms in military and civil aviation. Try reading up on it.

That’s the reason why my statement read: “used for conventional radio”; as I know well it can be used for other high tech applications.

I dont think you are qualified in anything really. I think that what you have done is to take a little time to read up on the matter then come back claiming you know all sorts of stuff. You certainly did not demonstrate anything before when you have many chances.

I'll remind you how the score goes so far:

My score:
"A beam cannot transmit more than one frequency" ===> Wrong
"Radio transmitters only work in VHF/UHF" ===> Wrong
“You cannot transmit lower frequencies than 15KHz” ===> Wrong

Your score:
… Oh, I think you haven’t scored yet…


What makes you think that I would have any interest in explaining to you why I think the claims about HAARP are real???

This is just because your arrogance deserves it, that’s all; but I can stop whenever you like (it’s up to you).

[marpat]

Ok, Let's look at your new statement (which I will obviously add to: "a beam cannot transmit more than one frequency" and "radio transmitters only work in VHF/UHF"): so according to your knowledge of the subject, you cannot transmit lower frequencies than 15KHz; is that it?

Then I would like to inform you that the following frequencies are commonly and extensively used in for the following purposes:

SubHZ (< 3 Hz)
Experimental transmissions of millihertz, microhertz, nanohertz
ELF (3–30 Hz)
Submarine Communications
SLF (30–300 Hz)
Submarine Communications
ULF (300–3000 Hz)
Communication within mines
VLF (3–30 kHz)
Submarine communication, avalanche beacons, wireless heart rate monitors, geophysics


Is there any other “law of radio transmission” included in your manual that you would like to share with us?



It is simply ludicrous to assume that a top of the range billion dollar project like HAARP will be using any type of antenna you and I would be familiar with. Either way, and just so that I don’t also sin of arrogance (like you do), I will not argue about the exact type of antenna used in HAARP experiments; but I can tell you that they key of the project is in laying out an array and on the intensity of the generator (rather than on individual components).

Please show me any official source that lead you to believe that statement is true. So far, my statements have been supported with references from experts; I expect the same of you.

That’s the reason why my statement read: “used for conventional radio”; as I know well it can be used for other high tech applications.

I'll remind you how the score goes so far:

My score:
"A beam cannot transmit more than one frequency" ===> Wrong
"Radio transmitters only work in VHF/UHF" ===> Wrong
“You cannot transmit lower frequencies than 15KHz” ===> Wrong


).

I did say that a modulating frequency can go below 15 khz. That figure may be a bit inaccurate (regarding the minimum frequency an ac waveform will radiate at) as I am trying to remember theory stuff I did 9 years ago. Read up on how radiation is produce by an AC waveform. For some reason that figure has stuck with me!! The trouble is that the lower the freq the larger the antenna. Note that the HAARP site does not have antenna large enough to radiate an actual ELF frequency signal but could modulate its HF signal with ELF.

I never did say that transmitters only work in UHF and VHF so you are lying. If this were the case the what about sky and ground waves, which are products of lower freqs?

Aircraft comms are conventional radios.

For a beam to transmit more than one freq you need an oscillator for each frequency. If the frequencies vary widely then you will need different antenna as the length of the antenna is relative to the wavelength. Basically an antenna is 1 quater of the wavelength. Maybe I explained something badly before or did not quite get what you were saying. You can interlace signals into one transmission by using time and frequency division multiplexing. You can also use side bands within a given bandwidth.

Well I thought you were going to go into some real science about wave propogation. You have not demonstrated the qualifications that you boast of earlier.

[fekdemasons]

Wear a respirator if it is so harmful. If you refuse then you are aiding your own poisoning

I am aiding my own poisoning ? HA HA , so you admit I'm being poisoned !!

:p:p

[deca]

I am aiding my own poisoning ? HA HA , so you admit I'm being poisoned !!

:p:p
the worry thing he can`t prove we are not:eek:

[deca]

Any way what about tetra and gwen towers are they just normal transmitters as well?

[marpat]

I am aiding my own poisoning ? HA HA , so you admit I'm being poisoned !!

:p:p

No, I was taking the piss

[marpat]

the worry thing he can`t prove we are not:eek:

Well if everybody doesnt die horribly that might prove something

Can you prove you are being poisoned? have you collected any samples of material where you live which has come from an aircraft?

If people have proof then why is nobody doing anything about it except chatting in a forum?

[flyermay]

I did say that a modulating frequency can go below 15 khz. That figure may be a bit inaccurate as I am trying to remember theory stuff I did 9 years ago. Read up on how radiation is produce by an AC waveform. For some reason that figure has stuck with me!! The trouble is that the lower the freq the larger the antenna.

It is irrelevant how many excuses you look for, the fact is that frequencies under 15 KHz are widely used; and that’s the point of the whole argument, which discredits your claims about HAARP’s alleged uses being false.

I never did say that transmitters only work in UHF and VHF so you are lying. If this were the case the what about sky and ground waves, which are products of lower freqs?

There is no point changing your argument on a forum; all your statements are saved:

But it is a radio transmitter. It transmits radio waves at UHF/VHF frequency.

For a beam to transmit more than one freq you need an oscillator for each frequency. If the frequencies vary widely then you will need different antenna as the length of the antenna is relative to the wavelength. Basically an antenna is 1 quater of the wavelength.

Again, you are simply explaining that your previous arguments were wrong; as you are now acknowledging it is possible all you previously claimed as impossible .

Well I thought you were going to go into some real science about wave propogation. You have not demonstrated the qualifications that you boast of earlier.

Why would I, you are not even close to make a scientific claim; actually, all you are saying is absolute crap, and it just requires common sense to realise it.

Either way, it’s even more humiliating that someone *supposedly* unqualified could tear your arguments down like that; when you claim to be highly qualified.

[skunksmash]

flyermay = 30 / 15 ......... Marpat to serve (again) :p




:)SK

[marpat]

It is irrelevant how many excuses you look for, the fact is that frequencies under 15 KHz are widely used; and that’s the point of the whole argument, which discredits your claims about HAARP’s alleged uses being false.



There is no point changing your argument on a forum; all your statements are saved:





Again, you are simply explaining that your previous arguments were wrong; as you are now acknowledging it is possible all you previously claimed as impossible .



Why would I, you are not even close to make a scientific claim; actually, all you are saying is absolute crap, and it just requires common sense to realise it.

Either way, it’s even more humiliating that someone *supposedly* unqualified could tear your arguments down like that; when you claim to be highly qualified.

But you are not tearing anything down. Like I said I am trying to recall info I learned many years ago. Maybe I did not express myself clearly. Maybe I was wrong. If I am wrong however why dont you use the 'qualifications' you claim to possess to explain the correct information. All you are doing is trying to pick holes in my posts without correcting any of the ideas. If I am wrong and you tell me where I am wrong then I will have learned something. I dont mind being wrong as long as somebody can tell me what is wrong.

I am not looking for excuses. I guess I did not make my self clear. Perhaps you dont understand the difference between a carrier wave and a modulating signal. Perhaps you dont get that ac below a certain frequency will not cause an actual radio signal to be generated. As I said before radio signals are produce when ac frequencies become so high that it cannot alternate back and forward along a wire. I recall that this freq was around 15khz although this may be inaccurate due to memory. If you are qualified as you claim then perhaps you can state the frequency when ac only moves in one direction.

Radios use a carrier wave as a main signal and then a modulating wave is put over the top which generally contains video and audio information. Because audio is quite low freq then you have a low freq modulating signal as I said before.

I got a PDF file from a link in this forum that discuss many aspects of HAARP such as using it for submarine comms (ELF) or as a UHV/VHF scatterer but I will have to see if I still have it.

It is many years since I studied the theory of electronics so please feel free to refresh my memory. It is easy to forget unless you are using specific information on a regular basis.

[deca]

Well if everybody doesnt die horribly that might prove something

Can you prove you are being poisoned? have you collected any samples of material where you live which has come from an aircraft?

If people have proof then why is nobody doing anything about it except chatting in a forum?
German Airforce have admitted spraying chemtrials
http://allaircraftarenotinvolved.freeforums.org/german-news-station-exposes-chemtrails-translated-t84.html
http://mynetimages.com/ac07202a.jpg
http://mynetimages.com/d039fca2.jpg

I have enough on my plate exposing mind control & electronic harassment

[deca]

Not as if they havn`t sprayed us with deadly toxins before!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html
Millions were in germ war tests

Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

Antony Barnett, public affairs editor
Observer

Sunday April 21, 2002

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.

Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.

Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.

In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.

However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.

David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette's three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.

The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: 'I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.'

Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'

The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.

The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.'

Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

[marpat]

I correct myself. It would seem that radio starts at 9khz rather than 15. I guess I have an error of 6khz. :D

'Maxwell's equations also stated that radiation increased dramatically with frequency, that is, many more radio waves are generated at high frequencies than low, given the same amount of power. Experimenting with generating high frequency waves thus began. This wasn't an easy task since it isn't until 90,000 cycles per second, or 9kHz, that radio begins. The familiar A.M. radio band starts around 560 kHz, or 560,000 cycles a second, with all present day radio-telephone services far, far above this. If you want to define radio, generating a rapidly oscillating, high frequency electromagnetic wave is certainly a prerequisite.'

http://www.privateline.com/PCS/history2.htm

[marpat]

Not as if they havn`t sprayed us with deadly toxins before!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html

We have discusse that subjedct many times and it really proves nothing. All it does is highlights cold war experiments. They would be kept secret to prevent the enemy from knowing what any NBC counter measure could be. That is my opinion anyway.

Personally if people were truly interested in getting people to sit up and listen you have got to get your hands on something more than a few stories from the 60's and get some credible evidence of something happening now. If people in this forum had collected some evidence and began to use it as a basis for some legal challenge then not only would I begin to take it seriously but many of the public would to. People like actions not words. If you want results get evidence and use it.

[deca]

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

what about the German airforce claims ? or would you rather not mention them?

[flyermay]

But you are not tearing anything down. Like I said I am trying to recall info I learned many years ago. Maybe I did not express myself clearly. Maybe I was wrong. If I am wrong however why dont you use the 'qualifications' you claim to possess to explain the correct information. All you are doing is trying to pick holes in my posts without correcting any of the ideas. If I am wrong and you tell me where I am wrong then I will have learned something. I dont mind being wrong as long as somebody can tell me what is wrong.

Yes I am tearing down you claims about why HAARP would work for the alleged purposes. And yes I am picking holes in your claims to prove that your argument simply has no basis. And that is enough to prove that you cannot discredit the claim on this thread, which is the purpose of our discussion.

I clearly stated why you are wrong and where you are wrong. What else do you want from me, a lecture on telecommunications and electronics? I told you many times in every single thread I confronted you, you are trying to milk the wrong cow. I guess that you are quite familiar with the term “on a need to know basis”, if it’s true you are on the military.

This is how it works: you make a claim against HAARP, and I discredit it…

I am not looking for excuses. I guess I did not make my self clear. Perhaps you dont understand the difference between a carrier wave and a modulating signal. Perhaps you dont get that ac below a certain frequency will not cause an actual radio signal to be generated. As I said before radio signals are produce when ac frequencies become so high that it cannot alternate back and forward along a wire. I recall that this freq was around 15khz although this may be inaccurate due to memory. If you are qualified as you claim then perhaps you can state the frequency when ac only moves in one direction.

Yes you are looking for excuses; be honest (it’s all back there). You made a lot of claims why HAARP wouldn’t work for the alleged purposes and every time I explain to you why you are wrong you change the argument to a new one. For example: you are now trying to steer the discussion away from HAARP, but I’m not going to fall for it.

I got a PDF file from a link in this forum that discuss many aspects of HAARP such as using it for submarine comms (ELF) or as a UHV/VHF scatterer but I will have to see if I still have it.

And what exactly will you prove with that document, that HAARP is capable of ELF frequencies? That’s exactly what you ware discussing against a few posts ago.

[marpat]

Yes I am tearing down you claims about why HAARP would work for the alleged purposes. And yes I am picking holes in your claims to prove that your argument simply has no basis. And that is enough to prove that you cannot discredit the claim on this thread, which is the purpose of our discussion.

I clearly stated why you are wrong and where you are wrong. What else do you want from me, a lecture on telecommunications and electronics? I told you many times in every single thread I confronted you, you are trying to milk the wrong cow. I guess that you are quite familiar with the term “on a need to know basis”, if it’s true you are on the military.

This is how it works: you make a claim against HAARP, and I discredit it…

Yes you are looking for excuses; be honest (it’s all back there). You made a lot of claims why HAARP wouldn’t work for the alleged purposes and every time I explain to you why you are wrong you change the argument to a new one. For example: you are now trying to steer the discussion away from HAARP, but I’m not going to fall for it.

And what exactly will you prove with that document, that HAARP is capable of ELF frequencies? That’s exactly what you ware discussing against a few posts ago.

Well maybe I missed something that was said. I have seen that it was used to cummunicate with subs using ELF but that this was developed by HF heating the ionosphere or doing something to the atmosphere rather than it actually transmitting the stuff itself.

If you are qualified in electronics and telecomms then you could have perhaps corrected what I said if it was wrong. Like I said maybe I didnt express myself very well. You certainly did not try to correct me error regarding the point where a wire will begin to radiate. If you are such a qualified person then do you think the HAARP array is the correct type to transmit an ELF frequency?

I was wrong about the 15khz frequency as it turned out to be 9 khz. I was not wrong about transmitting of ELF knowing that it would be done by modulating a carrier wave with a low freq. If I claimed that ELF cannot be transmitted by HAARP then this would be regarding it as a carrier wave. This is not the same as claiming that it does not use ELF or that ELF is not a product of its operation. Did you read the link on when radio occurs?

You are playing on expressions rather than pulling me to pieces.

That HAARP doc actually discussed it being used to scatter UHF and VHF signal as I mentioned before.

[marpat]

Found that doc on my other computer and it shows that HAARP produces ULF/ELF by using the ionosphere as a demodulator. To my thinking this means that HAARP does not transmit ELF itself but that it is merely a product of its operation

[deca]

Marpat lets get things straight here

so do you admit that haarp through its operation generates ELF?


do you admit there is a chemtrail program?(the German airforce have already admit it)?


Do you admit that in the past they have sprayed deadly toxins before??

Do you admit that they would not tells us and lie about these programs?


are people right to question and be concerned then ?

[deca]

http://proliberty.com/observer/20070105.htm
Professor Michael Persinger conducted research for over 20 years in Ontario, using magnetic resonance to produce mystical experiences, out-of-body sensations and paranormal phenomena. He also studied the effects of ELF on memory and brain function. His research reveals that, "the brain can be altered with very little power, including that which is released from the natural geomagnetic activity of the Earth or via contemporary communications networks...within a very narrow set of variables, we can stimulate the sense of smell, taste, touch, sight or hearing in a manner that would not permit us to see the difference between the laboratory created experience and reality...by using the Earth's natural energy fields a signal could be generated at power levels consistent with the Earth's and would be hidden in the 'noise' created by the many manmade background radiating sources of energy."

A grand scale

The HAARP project in Alaska, which Dr. Begich has previously written about, can be exactly what Dr. Persinger suggested on a very large scale. Dr. Begich reports, "This capability exists today through the use of systems which can stimulate the ionosphere to return a pulsed signal, which at the right frequency, can override normal brain functions...energies used in HAARP were controllable and in some applications would be pulsed in the 1-20 Hertz range."

A chemical/RFR interface

Among the proposed military applications is the idea that biological or chemical agents could be used in conjunction with RFR techniques on targeted groups (see adversary definition above). "The idea expressed here is that depositing small amounts of chemicals in a person's body, in amounts below normal levels where negative effects are known to occur, will ensure they have no perceivable effect until radio frequency radiation (RFR) is introduced. Once introduced, the RFR creates physiological reactions, which are detrimental to the individual host. This would allow individuals who are not exposed to the chemicals to then enter the area of the RFR without harm to their own bodies. When an operator tunes the RFR in just the right way, changes are caused in the energy state of atoms, which cause chemical reactions in the body, which in turn manifest physiological or psychological changes, all based on frequency codes."

[flyermay]

Well maybe I missed something that was said. I have seen that it was used to cummunicate with subs using ELF but that this was developed by HF heating the ionosphere or doing something to the atmosphere rather than it actually transmitting the stuff itself.

If you are qualified in electronics and telecomms then you could have perhaps corrected what I said if it was wrong. Like I said maybe I didnt express myself very well. You certainly did not try to correct me error regarding the point where a wire will begin to radiate. If you are such a qualified person then do you think the HAARP array is the correct type to transmit an ELF frequency?

I was wrong about the 15khz frequency as it turned out to be 9 khz. I was not wrong about transmitting of ELF knowing that it would be done by modulating a carrier wave with a low freq. If I claimed that ELF cannot be transmitted by HAARP then this would be regarding it as a carrier wave. This is not the same as claiming that it does not use ELF or that ELF is not a product of its operation. Did you read the link on when radio occurs?

You are playing on expressions rather than pulling me to pieces.

That HAARP doc actually discussed it being used to scatter UHF and VHF signal as I mentioned before.

Look, the problem with you is that you are limited to what you learnt years ago, and that is clouding your judgment about any subject. On the other hand, you are not even taking into account that HAARP's research and applications go far beyond your (and even my) knowledge on the subject.

If you had even the remotest idea of what HAARP is and how it works, I assure you you wouldn't be loosing your time discussing on this forum.

The point I've been trying to make is that you little knowledge of telecommunications is nothing compared with any high level research done recently; you are even confusing and messing up on the basic, far away from making a real argument against what HAARP is capable of.

[skunksmash]

flyermay = 40 / 15............... Marpat's service :rolleyes:





:)SK

[flyermay]

flyermay = 40 / 15............... Marpat's service :rolleyes:

:)SK

Whaaaaaat..... When did Marpat ever scored :confused:

[marpat]

Marpat lets get things straight here

so do you admit that haarp through its operation generates ELF?


do you admit there is a chemtrail program?(the German airforce have already admit it)?


Do you admit that in the past they have sprayed deadly toxins before??

Do you admit that they would not tells us and lie about these programs?


are people right to question and be concerned then ?

I can accept that HAARP uses HF to heat the ionosphere which acts as a demodulator to create ELF/ULF. The issue was not about producing it but how it was done, at least I thought this was the case.

I can accept that the goverment would lie about many things. Not unusual really if they want to hold onto power and avoid large payouts. Just look at the recent expenses rows.

I have read about those same things during the cold war but think it proves nothing about the chemtrail theory. Also, did they believe the stuff being sprayed was toxic at that time or did they think of it as harmless. I would also reckon that some researchers and people doing experiments care more for their work than the impact of normal people so it is not suprising that such things have occured.

From what I recall about the Germans they did not admit anything outright but somebody has taken a statement and read an admission into it. I will re-read it as it was a while since I looked at it.

Personally I have no problem with people being concerned about anything. If people feel worried about something then I cant see why they should not know if it is a real problem. I guess there will always be barriers though. Lets face it, if people were given the power to look into anything that concerned them then how long do you think it would be before such 'free disclosure' was abused and used against people. Such powers would be used to increase snooping in the interests of public concern.

[skunksmash]

Whaaaaaat..... When did Marpat ever scored :confused:

i was actually gonna remove his point due to the fact he accepts the last recent post has merit & ''he could be wrong'', but your on such a roll i cant see him pulling it back....lol :D



:)SK

[flyermay]

i was actually gonna remove his point due to the fact he accepts the last recent post has merit & ''he could be wrong'', but your on such a roll i cant see him pulling it back....lol :D

:)SK

Oh, no, you can't allow marpat to pull back, he will end up turning the discussion against you and forgetting completely he made dozens of incorrect assumptions. I discussed with him before, and it doesn't matter how many times you discredited his claims, we will always jump with something else.

I'm not going to fall for that again. From now on, if you say something, you better stick to it... othewise, shut up or admit your defeat. :cool:

[deca]

http://proliberty.com/observer/20070105.htm
Professor Michael Persinger conducted research for over 20 years in Ontario, using magnetic resonance to produce mystical experiences, out-of-body sensations and paranormal phenomena. He also studied the effects of ELF on memory and brain function. His research reveals that, "the brain can be altered with very little power, including that which is released from the natural geomagnetic activity of the Earth or via contemporary communications networks...within a very narrow set of variables, we can stimulate the sense of smell, taste, touch, sight or hearing in a manner that would not permit us to see the difference between the laboratory created experience and reality...by using the Earth's natural energy fields a signal could be generated at power levels consistent with the Earth's and would be hidden in the 'noise' created by the many manmade background radiating sources of energy."

A grand scale

The HAARP project in Alaska, which Dr. Begich has previously written about, can be exactly what Dr. Persinger suggested on a very large scale. Dr. Begich reports, "This capability exists today through the use of systems which can stimulate the ionosphere to return a pulsed signal, which at the right frequency, can override normal brain functions...energies used in HAARP were controllable and in some applications would be pulsed in the 1-20 Hertz range."

A chemical/RFR interface

Among the proposed military applications is the idea that biological or chemical agents could be used in conjunction with RFR techniques on targeted groups (see adversary definition above). "The idea expressed here is that depositing small amounts of chemicals in a person's body, in amounts below normal levels where negative effects are known to occur, will ensure they have no perceivable effect until radio frequency radiation (RFR) is introduced. Once introduced, the RFR creates physiological reactions, which are detrimental to the individual host. This would allow individuals who are not exposed to the chemicals to then enter the area of the RFR without harm to their own bodies. When an operator tunes the RFR in just the right way, changes are caused in the energy state of atoms, which cause chemical reactions in the body, which in turn manifest physiological or psychological changes, all based on frequency codes."

Marpat what about these claims?

[marpat]

Look, the problem with you is that you are limited to what you learnt years ago, and that is clouding your judgment about any subject. On the other hand, you are not even taking into account that HAARP's research and applications go far beyond your (and even my) knowledge on the subject.

If you had even the remotest idea of what HAARP is and how it works, I assure you you wouldn't be loosing your time discussing on this forum.

The point I've been trying to make is that you little knowledge of telecommunications is nothing compared with any high level research done recently; you are even confusing and messing up on the basic, far away from making a real argument against what HAARP is capable of.

So you have not mentioned what your qualifications are nor managed to give any corrective advice. You are right, my memory was a little faulty but I was roughly correct about the starting radio frequency, only 6khz out!! a 9 khz starting frequency for radio is still higher the then bottom end of ELF and ULF but you did not seem to indicate how HAARP could produce such a signal.

You certainly did not seem to see that such frequencies were actually caused by ionospheric demodulation of the HF signal. My initial claim was that a radio would not radiate if the frequency was below 15khz (which turned out to be 9khz in fact) but you took this as proof that I was wrong because ELF is even lower in frequency. The principle I was describing is correct just the value was slightly off. You went straight into claiming I was wrong but you yourself seemed blissfully unaware of the Maxwell equation. You seemed to consider that a modulated signal of such a low value meant that you can radiate at those lower frequencies which to me means you do not know the difference between a modulating signal and a carrier signal. Big difference.

What I dont get is that you claim to be highly qualified yourself but you were unable to correct me on my 15khz error. There are gaps in my telecomms knowledge as my main job has been radar for years.

I think the main problem was not getting my idea across clearly.

[marpat]

Marpat what about these claims?

Maybe the US president is going to mind control himself

[deca]

There are gaps in my telecomms knowledge as my main job has been radar for years.

what do you know about the frey effect or microwave hearing?

Microwave auditory effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The microwave auditory effect, also known as the microwave hearing effect or the Frey effect, consists of audible clicks induced by pulsed/modulated microwave frequencies. The clicks are generated directly inside the human head without the need of any receiving electronic device. The effect was first reported by persons working in the vicinity of radar transponders during World War II. These induced sounds are not audible to other people nearby

[marpat]

what do you know about the frey effect or microwave hearing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect

Havent really heard of it. I guess it would be due to an ear cavity resonating to a certain frequency causing a sound to be heard. I know that magnetrons use cavities to produce radio pulses of specific frequencies so I would think that the effect is cause by the frequency causing a resonance in the ear cavity.

[deca]

After the phenomenon was discovered,several mechanisms were suggest to explain the

hearing of pulsed RF fields. Thermoelastic expansion within the brain in response to RF

pulses was first studied and demonstrated in inert materials and was proposed as the

mechanism of hearing of pulsed RF fields. A pressure wave is generated in most solid

and liquid materials by a pulse of RF energy—a pressure wave that is several orders of

magnitude larger in amplitude than that resulting from radiation pressure or from

electrostrictive forces. The characteristics of the field-induced cochlear microphonic in

guinea pigs and cats, the relationship of pulse duration and threshold, physical

measurements in water and in tissue-simulating materials,as well as numerous theoretical calculations-all point to thermoelastic expansion as the mechanism oft he hearing phenomenon.

Scientists have determined the threshold energy level for human observers exposed to

pulsed 2450-MHz fields( 0.5-to3 2 micron pulse widths).They found that,regardless of

the peak of the power density and the pulse width, the per-pulse threshold for a normal

subject is near 20 mJ/kg. The average elevation of brain temperature associated with a

just-perceptible pulse was estimated to be about 5 xl0-60 C.




so do you work for the militray complex then?

And what do you know about CELLDAR?

[flyermay]

So you have not mentioned what your qualifications are nor managed to give any corrective advice. You are right, my memory was a little faulty but I was roughly correct about the starting radio frequency, only 6khz out!! a 9 khz starting frequency for radio is still higher the then bottom end of ELF and ULF but you did not seem to indicate how HAARP could produce such a signal.

I have no intention to give you any advice, proof of my qualification, or claim that I know how HAARP works; but just to point out that your claims have no basis.

You certainly did not seem to see that such frequencies were actually caused by ionospheric demodulation of the HF signal. My initial claim was that a radio would not radiate if the frequency was below 15khz (which turned out to be 9khz in fact) but you took this as proof that I was wrong because ELF is even lower in frequency. The principle I was describing is correct just the value was slightly off. You went straight into claiming I was wrong but you yourself seemed blissfully unaware of the Maxwell equation. You seemed to consider that a modulated signal of such a low value meant that you can radiate at those lower frequencies which to me means you do not know the difference between a modulating signal and a carrier signal. Big difference.

You are failing again in your assumptions, as scientists are able to radiate SubHz frequencies. About modulating frequencies and carrier signals, I was the one how pointed out the example of how TV works, remember?

What I dont get is that you claim to be highly qualified yourself but you were unable to correct me on my 15khz error. There are gaps in my telecomms knowledge as my main job has been radar for years.

I’m just correcting you about your claims on HAARP; the rest is irrelevant to the discussion.

I think the main problem was not getting my idea across clearly.

Oh, no, your claims were quite clear and you can check them back there; just that you weren’t counting on anyone discrediting them.

[marpat]

I have no intention to give you any advice, proof of my qualification, or claim that I know how HAARP works; but just to point out that your claims have no basis.

You are failing again in your assumptions, as scientists are able to radiate SubHz frequencies. About modulating frequencies and carrier signals, I was the one how pointed out the example of how TV works, remember?

I’m just correcting you about your claims on HAARP; the rest is irrelevant to the discussion.

Oh, no, your claims were quite clear and you can check them back there; just that you weren’t counting on anyone discrediting them.

I bet you have no intention of backing you claims of qualifications up.

Claims have no basis? so you can prove the Maxwell eqation is wrong? please indulge me, I made a claim about the minumum value of radio frequencies required for radiation and you said I was wrong. The Maxwell equation would seem to prove you wrong but you disagree?

Unless you can get information which claims that carrier wave signals (not mod signals) are below 9kzh then you have won no arguement.

I found this on subhz. It does not mention the subhz being the carrier wave as the carrier would appear to be of high frequenc, being mm.:

The transducer 1 was used in a radio-fibre communications system shown in FIG. 5. A three-contact DFB laser 9, optimised for high FM response is driven by a 4.1 GHz microwave oscillator 10. The resulting optical FM was converted to IM at harmonics of the drive frequency by phase perturbation of the optical FM sidebands resulting from the dispersion caused by 12.5 km of step index fibre 11. This technique results in a mm-wave carrier signal of spectral purity determined by that of the microwave oscillator 10, which in this case had subHz linewidth. Modulation is applied by connecting a video signal from a video pattern generator 12 to the FM input of the microwave oscillator 10. The resulting optical signal was detected by the zero-bias edge-coupled photodiode 2 of the transducer 1, and then retransmitted as a radio signal via the standard gain horn antenna 3. No electrical power was supplied to the transducer 1. After a path length of 1 m, the 7th harmonic (at 28.7 GHz) of the drive signal was selected using a radio receiver 13 having a local oscillator 14 operating at a frequency of 27.61 Ghz. The resulting IF (at 1090 MHz) was demodulated using a satellite TV receiver 15, and displayed on a monitor 16. the high quality of the displayed image adequately demonstrated the success of zero electrical power transducer transmission.

[flyermay]

I bet you have no intention of backing you claims of qualifications up.

I already said I don’t!

Claims have no basis? so you can prove the Maxwell eqation is wrong? please indulge me, I made a claim about the minumum value of radio frequencies required for radiation and you said I was wrong. The Maxwell equation would seem to prove you wrong but you disagree?

Unless you can get information which claims that carrier wave signals (not mod signals) are below 9kzh then you have won no arguement.


Why would that even worry me, when I have already proved to you that all you said about HAARP is non-sense.

I found this on subhz. It does not mention the subhz being the carrier wave as the carrier would appear to be of high frequenc, being mm.:

Why do you keep on running away from your claims about HAARP? Oh, sorry, was it because they were wrong?

Unless you have any more claims about HAARP, byebye.

[marpat]

I already said I don’t!

Why would that even worry me, when I have already proved to you that all you said about HAARP is non-sense.

Why do you keep on running away from your claims about HAARP? Oh, sorry, was it because they were wrong?

Unless you have any more claims about HAARP, byebye.

I see what has happened here. You picked a few holes in my posts but once I had clarified what was meant and asked you to back up your views you run off. You have stated in this thread that you are going to make me suffer so lets have it. I am not spent yet.

Prove that the Maxwell equation is wrong as you claimed, although indirectly. 9 khz is the lowest frequency that can be used for radio. You said this is wrong. Back it up.

HAARP is used as a UHF/VHF scatterer which is used to generate sources for remote sensing and comms spanning 16 decades in frequency

The primary energy is radiated at anywhere between 2.8 and 10 MHZ

The presence of electrical currents in the auroal oval provide HAARP with the capability of a low frequency transmitter able to tune over a range of 0.001hz to 40hz. This is achieved by modulating the HF signal with the required freq and then the ionosphere acts as a filter for the HF, which removes the HF and returns a signal equal to the low freq.

HAARP uses low frequencies because of their ability to penetrate land and water so it can be used to contact subs or carry out geophysical exploration. This is achieved by using the ionosphere as an HF filter

I got plenty more information on it.

[fekdemasons]

No, I was taking the piss

No shit ! You must be a yank with no sense of fucking irony.

[skunksmash]

I see what has happened here. You picked a few holes in my posts but once I had clarified what was meant and asked you to back up your views you run off. You have stated in this thread that you are going to make me suffer so lets have it. I am not spent yet.

Prove that the Maxwell equation is wrong as you claimed, although indirectly. 9 khz is the lowest frequency that can be used for radio. You said this is wrong. Back it up.

HAARP is used as a UHF/VHF scatterer which is used to generate sources for remote sensing and comms spanning 16 decades in frequency

The primary energy is radiated at anywhere between 2.8 and 10 MHZ

The presence of electrical currents in the auroal oval provide HAARP with the capability of a low frequency transmitter able to tune over a range of 0.001hz to 40hz. This is achieved by modulating the HF signal with the required freq and then the ionosphere acts as a filter for the HF, which removes the HF and returns a signal equal to the low freq.

HAARP uses low frequencies because of their ability to penetrate land and water so it can be used to contact subs or carry out geophysical exploration. This is achieved by using the ionosphere as an HF filter

I got plenty more information on it.


oooh, nice post...... ;)

Marpat .30 / 40 ..... flyermay to serve :p





:)SK

[flyermay]

oooh, nice post...... ;)

Marpat .30 / 40 ..... flyermay to serve :p

:)SK

What are you talking about, he has just admited that HAARP is capable of everything it's atributed to it.

Either way, HAARP is just one of the many projects related to the same principles; probably the most advanced. But you have similar projects running all around the globe by most powers (including China).

[marpat]

What are you talking about, he has just admited that HAARP is capable of everything it's atributed to it.

Either way, HAARP is just one of the many projects related to the same principles; probably the most advanced. But you have similar projects running all around the globe by most powers (including China).

Yes but its how it does it that we were argueing about. My stance was that it would not transmit elf frequency below a specific limit (I specified 15 khz but was out by 6khz!!)because such things cannot be transmitted as carrier freqs, as proven by the Maxwell link I provided. You use the freq band info in an attempt to claim that my stance was wrong because the lower range of ELF is below the threshold I mentioned. Then you acted like christ coming to cleanse the temple. You then tried to tell me they can transmit subhz frequencies by you never mentioned in what context although you did try to imply that it was as a carrier frequency. I take it you can disprove what Maxwell has concluded in his pioneering work on electromagnetic radiation. If so then crack on. In short you tried to argue a case against what I was claiming without a real clue as to what you were saying. You failed to correct my error on the point at which radiation occurs even though you claim to be vastly qualified.

I am happy to admit HAARP can produce ELF but this is not done within the transmitter itself but purely as an effect of the ionosphere filtering the HF aspect off and leaving only elf in the same way a physical demodulater would. This is what I thought the arguement was about.

I have got a nice big PDF file on HAARP on this pc. Very interesting stuff.

[deca]

I am happy to admit HAARP can produce ELF but this is not done within the transmitter itself but purely as an effect of the ionosphere filtering the HF aspect off and leaving only elf in the same way a physical demodulater would. This is what I thought the arguement was about.

I have got a nice big PDF file on HAARP on this pc. Very interesting stuff.

Right marpat can these ELF effect brain function like DR persinger and Dr. Nick Begich have claimed and many others???

http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcategory.asp?catid=1&subcatid=4

Biohazards of Extremely Low Frequencies (ELF)

by Dr. Nick Begich

Reprinted from Earthpulse Flashpoints Series 1 Volume 1.

In reporting on the HAARP project the issue of extremely low frequency (ELF) impacts on human health has been raised. The debate on the impact of ELF is still ongoing in international medical circles. However, recent research points to the fact that these frequencies when shaped and transferred to humans cause significant reactions. In our book, Angels Don't Play this HAARP: Advances in Tesla Technology, we explore some of these reactions.

HAARP is not the only system available for taking advantage of these new technologies. The military has developed smaller weapon systems for use in battlefield applications. These new weapons were disclosed in documents authored and compiled by the United States Air Force. The Air Force documents indicate that these weapons can be used for mind control, inducing heart attacks, causing electronic failures and creating computer malfunctions. More recently these new weapons have been revealed in International Red Cross documents and in other press reports. In a CBS - 60 Minutes broadcast on February 11, 1996 a report on some of these new systems was shown. The program discussed some of the effects of these new weapons which included disorientation and "flu-like symptoms".

This new classification of weapons has created some level of concern on the part of military planners in trying to find a way to introduce these systems. The United States Army has developed a concept called the Revolution in Military Affairs (RMA) which begins to unfold the weapons introduction plan. What this document points out is that many of these weapons will operate in a way which is in conflict with American values. The Army realizes that the conflict with our values exists and openly discusses the problem it presents. The Army then goes on to describe a number of ways to reshape those values so that these new weapons can be used. The basic problem, from this writers perspective, is that the U. S. Army's role in the American scene is not intended to "shape and form public values", rather it is supposed to "reflect" American values. The idea that any branch of government should see their role as one of setting the national ethic is wrong.

The United States military has taken advantage of the basic research which demonstrates the effects of various types of electromagnetic radiation. This research is being used for weapons development. These new technologies have been, in part, transferred to the United States Justice Department for use in domestic police actions. The technology transfers have been made over the last several years. Three conferences were held between 1985 and 1993 in order to gradually introduce the technologies. The last conference included discussions of pulsed radio frequency systems and was considered so sensitive that the entire meeting was classified by the Department of Defense and the program sponsor -- Los Alamos Laboratory. This last meeting has led to policy development which now permits technology transfers from the military to the United States Department of Justice.

There are a number of documented effects of these low levels of electromagnetic radiation. The effects can be positive or negative depending upon the intent of the operators. In Europe, and elsewhere, the use of these low levels of electromagnetic radiations are being applied to the development of very effective healing systems. In future articles we will be discussing the findings of researchers and clinicians who are using these new electromedical systems. Significant work has been done in nonsurgical applications for treating heart disease, cancer, diabetes and numerous other disorders. However, on the dark side of these technologies is the military. The Department of Defense uses the same basic information for developing weapons which attack health.

The use of these new weapons in altering and manipulating human brain functions is startling. In November, 1995, I asked Dr. Patrick Flanagan if there was a way to guard against low level radiations in the ELF range. These are the frequency ranges which can cause disruptions in the human brain. He considered the question and then described the following equipment configuration for use in a home or work place:

HAARP Antenna Array

Dr. Flanagan suggested that a circuit be constructed. The system he described would start with a "white noise" generator. (These are available from organizations like the Sharper Image.) The white noise generator speaker would be disconnected and the speaker's wire leads would be connected to the input side of a power amplifier. The output side of that power amplifier would then be connected to an insulated copper wire which would be looped once around the area which was to be protected against ELF. This circuit would provide protection for low power density ELF signals. The purpose of the system is to create a situation where the ELF signals cannot "lock" onto biological systems -- like human beings. The effectiveness of the system would be based upon its actual construction and the ELF power levels in the area. The components for construction can be readily obtained from electronic supply houses and can be built by people skilled in electronics to assure that the components sizes match correctly.

[marpat]

Right marpat can these ELF effect brain function like DR persinger and Dr. Nick Begich have claimed and many others???



Do you know why the navy actually worked with such frequencies? I can see why they might be keen to use ELF in order to communicate with their subs because those waves penetrate water to a greater depth, meaning their subs do not have to risk exposure due to comms.

I have read about the negative effects of such emissions. Personally I could not make any such claim not having any experience of such things myself. Also, can you trust the word of doctors? yes they are well qualified people but even top doctors and scientists diasgree with each other on subjetcs depending on where their research, test and conclusions have taken them.

I am tempted to make one of those ULF detectors. What could be done is to listen to the ULF waves and note what state of mind you are in and whether that can be accounted for by any other factors. Have you tried anything like that?

[deca]

I am tempted to make one of those ULF detectors. What could be done is to listen to the ULF waves and note what state of mind you are in and whether that can be accounted for by any other factors. Have you tried anything like that?

I am trying to get better equipment , and a better understanding of this, not easy there is a lot of mis information circulating around.Also they can knock me for 6 and send me into gaga land with this technology , not easy getting my act together when they can alter my mental state,emotions,body manipulate me, plus the microwave hearing effect as well.
As the effects are internal I can feel them/interact with but to a 3rd person outside trying to describe or prove is a major problem.

I have tried bone conduction,body voltage, EMF detector with some limited success.
obviously they degrade my ability to learn/understand and earn money to afford this, or any way of exposing this.
also with there ability technical superiority they can fool/trick and counter my a temps.

Also if I try and ask for help, people see me and make quick judgment , he must be crazy ,mentally ill, why him ect.....

Also when people take time and learn about this, find out that this is happening who's involved , most just don`t want to get involved at all, realizing there life and career might be ruined

[marpat]

I am trying to get better equipment , and a better understanding of this, not easy there is a lot of mis information circulating around.Also they can knock me for 6 and send me into gaga land with this technology , not easy getting my act together when they can alter my mental state,emotions,body manipulate me, plus the microwave hearing effect as well.
As the effects are internal I can feel them/interact with but to a 3rd person outside trying to describe or prove is a major problem.

I have tried bone conduction,body voltage, EMF detector with some limited success.
obviously they degrade my ability to learn/understand and earn money to afford this, or any way of exposing this.
also with there ability technical superiority they can fool/trick and counter my a temps.

Also if I try and ask for help, people see me and make quick judgment , he must be crazy ,mentally ill, why him ect.....

Also when people take time and learn about this, find out that this is happening who's involved , most just don`t want to get involved at all, realizing there life and career might be ruined

I doubt learning about it can affect a person career. Its when you start pissing in somebodies pond that things start to happen. Its like in when Alice starts playing with the dog, leave it along and it will leave you alone.

I did post a link with how to build one of those ULF things. Just need to get the stuff together and I can build it at work. Might even have some of the components there.

[flyermay]

Yes but its how it does it that we were argueing about. My stance was that it would not transmit elf frequency below a specific limit (I specified 15 khz but was out by 6khz!!)because such things cannot be transmitted as carrier freqs, as proven by the Maxwell link I provided. You use the freq band info in an attempt to claim that my stance was wrong because the lower range of ELF is below the threshold I mentioned. Then you acted like christ coming to cleanse the temple. You then tried to tell me they can transmit subhz frequencies by you never mentioned in what context although you did try to imply that it was as a carrier frequency. I take it you can disprove what Maxwell has concluded in his pioneering work on electromagnetic radiation. If so then crack on. In short you tried to argue a case against what I was claiming without a real clue as to what you were saying. You failed to correct my error on the point at which radiation occurs even though you claim to be vastly qualified.

I am happy to admit HAARP can produce ELF but this is not done within the transmitter itself but purely as an effect of the ionosphere filtering the HF aspect off and leaving only elf in the same way a physical demodulater would. This is what I thought the arguement was about.

I have got a nice big PDF file on HAARP on this pc. Very interesting stuff.

The question is:


Can they produce a high-energy beam at the right frequency to make a layer of the earth vibrate?

Yes they can; as radio tomography is based on this principle

Can they do this near a fault?

Yes they can; as it is well know that similar projects to HAARP are been carried out around the world.

Can they provoke earthquakes by doing this?

Yes they can; as a violent vibration of any layer of the earth near a fault will undoubtly release the stored tectonic energy.


So... Yes they can (God, I sound like Obama)

[skunksmash]

The question is:


Can they produce a high-energy beam at the right frequency to make a layer of the earth vibrate?
Yes they can; as radio tomography is based on this principle
Can they do this near a fault?
Yes they can; as it is well know that similar projects to HAARP are been carried out around the world.
Can they provoke earthquakes by doing this?
Yes they can; as a violent vibration of any layer of the earth near a fault will undoubtly release the stored tectonic energy.


So... Yes they can (God, I sound like Obama)


facts, facts, facts......:D

:eek:....vantage flyermay.... Marpat to serve.....:eek:





:)SK

[marpat]

The question is:


Can they produce a high-energy beam at the right frequency to make a layer of the earth vibrate?

Yes they can; as radio tomography is based on this principle

Can they do this near a fault?

Yes they can; as it is well know that similar projects to HAARP are been carried out around the world.

Can they provoke earthquakes by doing this?

Yes they can; as a violent vibration of any layer of the earth near a fault will undoubtly release the stored tectonic energy.


So... Yes they can (God, I sound like Obama)

I thought radio tomography is where bore holes are drilled into the ground and a transmitter and receiver are lowered into the ground in order to analyse the ground by what signals are received. This sounds nothing like HAARP.

How would a high energy beam be directed? it is true that HAARP can be steered to some degree but this is skyward. It cannot point directly at the ground 1000 miles away due to factors such as earth curvature, etc. Now we know that HAARP produces ELF through the ionosphere. How would the beam be directed from the ionosphere to the target? I dont think it could. I would think that what would happen is that you could steer the beam to a part of the sky and produce ELF in a general region below this but due to distance lot of power would be lost through natural attentuation and weather conditions. I have heard people claim that satellites could direct the beam wherever it needed to go but why would such a beam not destroy the satellite?

I guess for this earthquake principle to work you would have to be near a fault line. No good it you place your valuable assets a long way from such areas. You said a violent vibration was needed but how violent and at what frequency? as the beam will be dispersed to some degree how will such an energy focal point be acheived? I have read about Teslas domino effect but the earth is not like a load of dominos. I would need more scientific facts to actually think that this was possible. I know during the war earthquake bombs were used to destroy targets by damaging their structural integrity but that is using a massive explosion in the desired area by direct application. Can HAARP deliver such an immense amount of indirect power to a point on the earth, far removed from the source of power?

[skunksmash]

hang on..... sorry i have a query, i have a problem with this...:p

How would a high energy beam be directed? it is true that HAARP can be steered to some degree but this is skyward. It cannot point directly at the ground 1000 miles away due to factors such as earth curvature, etc. Now we know that HAARP produces ELF through the ionosphere. How would the beam be directed from the ionosphere to the target? I dont think it could.
surly if you direct a highly localized, highly powerful beam at the ionosphere its gonna bounce of..... so (if its able to remain very localized when it hits the ionosphere) you'll be able to mathematically calculate its precise trajectory to the ground...??


so they wouldn't need to point it directly at a target 1000s of miles away, b/c they could pin point a ground target using the angle of projection & calculating where it will eventually reflect..??



:)SK

[deca]

http://arcticcircle.uconn.edu/VirtualClassroom/HAARP/acf.html

A 1990 internal document obtained by POPULAR SCIENCE says the program's overall goal is to "control ionospheric processes in such a way as to greatly improve the performance of military command, control, and communications systems." It provides a description of the following applications:

# Injecting high-frequency radio energy into the ionosphere to create huge, extremely low frequency (ELF) virtual antennas used for earth-penetrating tomography peering deep beneath the surface of the ground by collecting and analyzing reflected ELF waves beamed down from above.
# Heating regions of the lower and upper ionosphere to form virtual "lertses" and "mirrors" that can reflect a broad range of radio frequencies far over the horizon to detect stealthy cruise missiles and aircraft.
# Generating ELF radio waves in the ionosphere to communicate across large distances with deeply submerged submarines.

And, patent documents filed during an earlier research effort that evolved into the HAARP program outline further military applications of ionospheric-heating technology:

# Creating a "full global shield" that would destroy ballistic missiles by overheating their electronic guidance systems as they fly through a powerful radio-energy field.
# Distinguishing nuclear warheads from decoys by sensing their elemental composition.
# Manipulating local weather.

obviously they have other facility's,networks,satellites at there disposal.....who do you think running haarp?
they talking about Creating a "full global shield" that would destroy ballistic missiles ffs!!!!

[marpat]

http://arcticcircle.uconn.edu/VirtualClassroom/HAARP/acf.html



obviously they have other facility's,networks,satellites at there disposal.....who do you think running haarp?
they talking about Creating a "full global shield" that would destroy ballistic missiles ffs!!!!

And your point is? anything wrong with such a global shield?

I did already say that such a thing was feasible.

[marpat]

hang on..... sorry i have a query, i have a problem with this...:p


surly if you direct a highly localized, highly powerful beam at the ionosphere its gonna bounce of..... so (if its able to remain very localized when it hits the ionosphere) you'll be able to mathematically calculate its precise trajectory to the ground...??


so they wouldn't need to point it directly at a target 1000s of miles away, b/c they could pin point a ground target using the angle of projection & calculating where it will eventually reflect..??

:)SK

Not really. The atmosphere is not like a polished mirror. It would be dispersed by the atmosphere.

Read this link about HF propogation. It would not appear to be very precise.

Radio propagation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[skunksmash]

Not really. The atmosphere is not like a polished mirror. It would be dispersed by the atmosphere.

Read this link about HF propogation. It would not appear to be very precise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_propagation


Cheers Marpat.....;), so by the sounds of it (by the use of the word ''appear'')

would you admit if the technology existed to keep that beam precise after contact with the i-sphere, it could in fact be capable causing an earthquake..??

is that possible in your opinion..?? if that ability was there..??



:)SK

[deca]

And your point is? anything wrong with such a global shield?

I did already say that such a thing was feasible.

I don`t think you understand how this and other similar technology is/has/will be used and the battle for EM dominance, makes conventional warfare obsolete, plus the other possibility's weather manipulation,mind control etc... and implications it has for mankind.

[marpat]

Cheers Marpat.....;), so by the sounds of it (by the use of the word ''appear'')

would you admit if the technology existed to keep that beam precise after contact with the i-sphere, it could in fact be capable causing an earthquake..??

is that possible in your opinion..?? if that ability was there..??



:)SK

Personally no unless I saw something that actually proved it could be done.

For me the questions would be:

1) how much power was required at the target in order to achieve such a result. Distance reduces power at the far end.
2) how would you actually maintain such a highly focussed beam through thousands of miles of atmosphere. Given that there is no method of focusing the beam actually in the atmosphere and that it is more likely to disperse the signal.
3) what is the actual mechanism for converting the radio energy into earthquake energy. I understand it is all a matter of vibration but if there is a wide discrepency then how would that be overcome.

Recently I done a radar course where the radar had a beam width of only 3.5 degrees but at 300 miles this beam becomes pretty wide. If the target is thousands of miles away then you can imagine that the beam is probably quite wide. I will try and find some info on how wide the HAARP beam is but I doubt it would be only 1 degree or so. Even such a small beam would be quite wide at a distance so that the focus of the energy is dispresed. Look what happens to a laser if the beam is dispersed, its power suffers.

[flyermay]

Personally no unless I saw something that actually proved it could be done.

For me the questions would be:

1) how much power was required at the target in order to achieve such a result. Distance reduces power at the far end.
2) how would you actually maintain such a highly focussed beam through thousands of miles of atmosphere. Given that there is no method of focusing the beam actually in the atmosphere and that it is more likely to disperse the signal.
3) what is the actual mechanism for converting the radio energy into earthquake energy. I understand it is all a matter of vibration but if there is a wide discrepency then how would that be overcome.

Recently I done a radar course where the radar had a beam width of only 3.5 degrees but at 300 miles this beam becomes pretty wide. If the target is thousands of miles away then you can imagine that the beam is probably quite wide. I will try and find some info on how wide the HAARP beam is but I doubt it would be only 1 degree or so. Even such a small beam would be quite wide at a distance so that the focus of the energy is dispresed. Look what happens to a laser if the beam is dispersed, its power suffers.

Can't you realise that this is a high tech experimental project. How are you expecting any of us to anwer those questions. Just think about it, if any of us knew how to make HAARP work they wouldn't need to do any research; don't you think?

On the other hand, as deca and skunksmash have pointed out it is a fact that HAARP can manipulate the upper atmosphere to create virtual lenses and mirrors (that's not a secret and even the HAARP project managers will admit it). And by the way, bouncing radio waves off the upper atmosphere is exactly why LW, MW and SW radio stations can be received thousands of miles away from the source, isn't it?

[marpat]

Can't you realise that this is a high tech experimental project. How are you expecting any of us to anwer those questions. Just think about it, if any of us knew how to make HAARP work they wouldn't need to do any research; don't you think?

On the other hand, as deca and skunksmash have pointed out it is a fact that HAARP can manipulate the upper atmosphere to create virtual lenses and mirrors (that's not a secret and even the HAARP project managers will admit it). And by the way, bouncing radio waves off the upper atmosphere is exactly why LW, MW and SW radio stations can be received thousands of miles away from the source, isn't it?

Signal are bounced off the atmosphere but this is not the same as projecting a very narrow beam of energy. In those long range systems the frequencies have to be change regularly to account for changes in the atmosphere in order to get the signals into the right AREA. This is not like projecting a focussed beam of energy. Its times like this I wish I kept my old telecomms and radio notes.

I did read about eastlunds idea of creating a lens that would focus huge amount of sunlight onto the earth but sunlight is not radio waves. Are you sure skunk and deca mentioned it as when I done a search in the thread for 'lens' it did not come up with anything they said. If you seach this thread for lens it only comes up with two matches and it is not those two.

The fact is all of us do not know exactly what the score is but this is exactly why I do not believe what people say. How can you expect me to believe that this system can cause an earthquake when people cannot give an adequate description of how this would occur? I take things from the angle of questioning everything rather than just accepting things on faith and a few loose ideas, many of which seem to be irelevant.

So what if it is very high tech experimental system. This does not mean that you stop asking questions and just start accepting peoples ideas. To me research involves asking lots of questions and grinding the information down until you are left with facts. You seem to be in the position of wanting to dispense with hard questions and going straight into acceptance of capability.

You tried to say radio tomography is similar to haarp. I would be interested in hearing what you have to say about that. I read a little about the subject but I cant see how it applies. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

[deca]

marpat
I did read about eastlunds idea of creating a lens that would focus huge amount of sunlight onto the earth but sunlight is not radio waves. Are you sure skunk and deca mentioned it as when I done a search in the thread for 'lens' it did not come up with anything they said. If you seach this thread for lens it only comes up with two matches and it is not those two.

I said "mirror" not "lens", stop trying to confuse people , very sneaky mentioning sun light and beams

http://fairbanks-alaska.com/haarp.htm
In reality, there's just a wee bit more to it than what our government will admit. At some frequencies, the device will provide a type of electrical umbrella, or mirror, in the ionosphere. This "mirror" may then be used to bounce other radio signals to receivers over the horizon. By exciting the ionosphere above a given region, HAARP will also be able to disrupt enemy communications. In time of war, both of the above functions would be a very useful to the military.

[flyermay]

Signal are bounced off the atmosphere but this is not the same as projecting a very narrow beam of energy. In those long range systems the frequencies have to be change regularly to account for changes in the atmosphere in order to get the signals into the right AREA. This is not like projecting a focussed beam of energy. Its times like this I wish I kept my old telecomms and radio notes.

It is the same principle. Radio waves bounce off the ionosphere; whether they are a beam or not. Creating an earthquake wouldn't be like shooting a duck in a funfair, you would have unlimited time and unlimited shots. So who cares if the atmospheric conditions are not right today, you can try in 5 minutes, tomorrow, or next week. Also, faults are huge, and tectonic plates inmense (just as an example: the whole Africa is just one tectonic plate), so you just need to approximate the area (not hit a small target).

I did read about eastlunds idea of creating a lens that would focus huge amount of sunlight onto the earth but sunlight is not radio waves. Are you sure skunk and deca mentioned it as when I done a search in the thread for 'lens' it did not come up with anything they said. If you seach this thread for lens it only comes up with two matches and it is not those two.

I was the one who mentioned the lenses, and this is not something I got out of a hat, this comes from the horse's mouth. According to the scientists working in the project they are able to manipulate the upper atmosphere practically at will; including the virtual creation of lenses.

The fact is all of us do not know exactly what the score is but this is exactly why I do not believe what people say. How can you expect me to believe that this system can cause an earthquake when people cannot give an adequate description of how this would occur? I take things from the angle of questioning everything rather than just accepting things on faith and a few loose ideas, many of which seem to be irelevant.

I'm fine with the fact that you are sceptic about it, I'm also sceptic by nature; but in this case you have dozens of scientists (including those that work or worked in the HAARP projects) talking about how it works and what it can do.

So what if it is very high tech experimental system. This does not mean that you stop asking questions and just start accepting peoples ideas. To me research involves asking lots of questions and grinding the information down until you are left with facts. You seem to be in the position of wanting to dispense with hard questions and going straight into acceptance of capability.

It's not as simple as that; I don't need to know how the MIR space station works to know it's up there. The point is that, you cannot research everything in depth to believe in it; I would need 200 lives full time just to keep up with has been invented already.

I heard already the HAARP project managers explaining what they are capable of, and the research of the critics seem quite possible (especially after the suden increase in earthquakes and change of weather patterns around the world).

Just as an example: It is no secret that China artificially creates good weather for their parades.

You tried to say radio tomography is similar to haarp. I would be interested in hearing what you have to say about that. I read a little about the subject but I cant see how it applies. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

I knew you ware going to fall on that one. I also saw that internet page. But looking a bit harder through all the "tomography" variants you will find it (Computed tomography, Cryo-electron tomography, Discrete tomography, Electrical capacitance tomography, Electrical resistivity tomography, Electrical impedance tomography, Functional magnetic resonance imaging, Magnetic induction tomography, magnetic resonance tomography, Neutron tomography, Optical coherence tomography, Optical projection tomography, Process tomography, Positron emission tomography, Positron emission tomography, Quantum tomography, Single photon emission computed tomography, Seismic tomography, Ultrasound assisted optical tomography, Ultrasound transmission tomography, X-ray tomography, Photoacoustic tomography, Zeeman-Doppler imaging)

[anthony65]

Quote:
Originally Posted by deca
Not as if they havn`t sprayed us with deadly toxins before!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Ar...398507,00.html


We have discusse that subjedct many times and it really proves nothing. All it does is highlights cold war experiments. They would be kept secret to prevent the enemy from knowing what any NBC counter measure could be. That is my opinion anyway.

Personally if people were truly interested in getting people to sit up and listen you have got to get your hands on something more than a few stories from the 60's and get some credible evidence of something happening now. If people in this forum had collected some evidence and began to use it as a basis for some legal challenge then not only would I begin to take it seriously but many of the public would to. People like actions not words. If you want results get evidence and use it.

Not again!

How many times will you repeat this disinformation about the Ministry of Defence report brought to public attention by Norman Baker MP and reported in the Guardian?

This has been discussed several times on the forum and yet you still distort the report and it's implications.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59981

Scroll down to post number 5 for more details.

Here is an excerpt from my post. Note that I specifically addressed Marpats distortions because he has come out with them so many times already.

"Another subject that has been posted many times is the historical record of the British (and American) Goverments in testing their own populations with chemical and biological agents:

Millions were in Germ tests

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Ar...398507,00.html

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

Marpat likes to dismiss this as "The Guardian Article". No. This is a Ministry of Defence Report that was brought to public attention by the efforts of Norman Baker MP.

Marpat also likes to dismiss this as old news, from the Cold War. The report refers to the period 1940 to 1979, but the reason that no more recent reports exist is that the MOD do not comment on "ongoing research". See the quote at the end of the article. Have they done further testing since 1979? FFS…"

[anthony65]

I don`t think you understand how this and other similar technology is/has/will be used and the battle for EM dominance, makes conventional warfare obsolete, plus the other possibility's weather manipulation,mind control etc... and implications it has for mankind.

Of course he is aware. It's been made very clear on the forum many times...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=932832&postcount=5

Russian Duma protest...

UN ENMOD treaty...

Denis Kucinich Space Preservation Act...

[1freethinker]

anyone see andy roddick the other day talking to the ref or judge(not sure what he called) about how when they started the game the sky was clear, and then all sudden complete overcast. sounds like conversations going on world wide about chemtrails. seems like every channel runs that little clip too, just before going to commercial;)

[1freethinker]

love this girl!! shes got good vids on chemtrails, in this one theres a chembow:eek:. also she made a vid where she made a sign and walked downtown alerting people of chemtrails. dont remember which vid sorry. youll have to watch them all:)...thetruthergirls on youtube. unfortunatly her vids dont have many views:(, so i hope she gets more hits from me doing this......

June 13 Chemtrails, Montreal - YouTube

[spock]

i think Marpat is vital to this thread.
without him we'd have no-one to give us objections to overcome.
objections that need to be investigated and tested.
i've come a cropper talking about trails to some right clever bods.
i know there is somthing more to them than plane exhausts.
but we do need to prove it.

the trails i saw today were stupidly big. you'd have to be blind or a ground watcher to not see them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4342668.stm

Campaigners, backed by the Norwich Evening News, claim cadmium sprayed on the city during a 1963 test doubled the number of oesophageal cancer cases

The Ministry of Defence said the experiment, which its scientists say was safe, was to "simulate the airborne dissemination" of biological warfare agents in the air.

TITLE 14 - AERONAUTICS AND SPACE

CHAPTER I - FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

SUBCHAPTER C - AIRCRAFT

PART 21 - CERTIFICATION PROCEDURES FOR PRODUCTS AND PARTS

subpart b - TYPE CERTIFICATES

21.25 - Issue of type certificate: Restricted category aircraft.

(a) An applicant is entitled to a type certificate for an aircraft in the restricted category for special purpose operations if he shows compliance with the applicable noise requirements of Part 36 of this chapter, and if he shows that no feature or characteristic of the aircraft makes it unsafe when it is operated under the limitations prescribed for its intended use, and that the aircraft (1) Meets the airworthiness requirements of an aircraft category except those requirements that the Administrator finds inappropriate for the special purpose for which the aircraft is to be used; or (2) Is of a type that has been manufactured in accordance with the requirements of and accepted for use by, an Armed Force of the United States and has been later modified for a special purpose.

(b) For the purposes of this section, special purpose operations includes (1) Agricultural (spraying, dusting, and seeding, and livestock and predatory animal control); (2) Forest and wildlife conservation; (3) Aerial surveying (photography, mapping, and oil and mineral exploration); (4) Patrolling (pipelines, power lines, and canals); (5) Weather control (cloud seeding); (6) Aerial advertising (skywriting, banner towing, airborne signs and public address systems); and (7) Any other operation specified by the Administrator.

[Doc. No. 5085, 29 FR 14564, Oct. 24, 1964, as amended by Amdt. 2142, 40 FR 1033, Jan. 6, 1975]

[kryst]

If you live in the UK, you'll be aware of the massive storms we had this Wednesday... Check out this video... You can also see LOFAR in at the end... I wonder what it's for?

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[anthony65]

If you live in the UK, you'll be aware of the massive storms we had this Wednesday... Check out this video... You can also see LOFAR in at the end... I wonder what it's for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhxSQKPd2AA

Excellent stuff Kryst!

It looks as if Ireland has something similar to Lofar!

Big circular patterns the keep on popping up there!

They do use the antennas and masts to perk up storms.

But gift the antennas and masts with orgonite and they behave themselves again!

[east147]

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/ have the world’s foremost expert on chemtrails on Tuesday 23rd June 10am - 11am CST – LIVE CALL IN

[accuracy]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[accuracy]

Scie Chimiche) Chemtrail - Chemtrail film Don't Talk About the Weather 27/27

(Scie Chimiche) Chemtrail - Chemtrail film Don&#39;t Talk About the Weather 27/27 - YouTube

You'll probably think I'm really crazy, but I've been on the website of Educate-yourself with Ken Adachi. He talks about sylphs which are these clouds that could be shaped like various things like angels, animals, etc. (yes I know, clouds could be anything you want them to be), but sylphs are a bit different & they clear up these chem trails. You have a beautiful winged horse at 0.11/9/52. Also on his site, he mentions to get Organite. Check out (Ken Adachi on the Educate-yourself) website

[accuracy]

beautiful clouds 2009 & chemtrails toxic skies

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[accuracy]

Proof of Chemtrails/Weather Modification

Proof of Chemtrails/Weather Modification - YouTube

[accuracy]

Contrails vs Chemtrails.. Explained .. June 09 London UK

Cool soundtrack, this one.

Contrails vs Chemtrails.. Explained .. June 09 London UK - YouTube

[cleopatraxxx]

If you live in the UK, you'll be aware of the massive storms we had this Wednesday... Check out this video... You can also see LOFAR in at the end... I wonder what it's for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhxSQKPd2AA

since i am not from the UK,
about these storms, are they common in this time of the year at all?
you want to see TROPICAL storms, these were tiny little lightnings only...hahaha, and i love thundershowers and the roaring sound of them! :) i miss them actually very much.

[anthony65]

since i am not from the UK,
about these storms, are they common in this time of the year at all?
you want to see TROPICAL storms, these were tiny little lightnings only...hahaha, and i love thundershowers and the roaring sound of them! :) i miss them actually very much.

It's not about the intensity of the storms here, it's about the patterns.

Watch the storms oveR Ireland very carefully and you will see the circular pattern similar to Lofar and other features that point to weather manipulation.

Please look very carefully! ;)

[cleopatraxxx]

It's not about the intensity of the storms here, it's about the patterns.

Watch the storms oveR Ireland very carefully and you will see the circular pattern similar to Lofar and other features that point to weather manipulation.

Please look very carefully! ;)

i did, and i noticed that straight away.
none the less, i still would like to know how frequente, and in what time of the year it noramlly oc curs here in the uk?

[anthony65]

i did, and i noticed that straight away.
none the less, i still would like to know how frequente, and in what time of the year it noramlly oc curs here in the uk?

Thunderstorms are fairly common in Summer I'd say, but generally there is a build up to them (oppressive heat) where you can feel them forming in the air. They're usually quite welcome in the sense that they cleanse the air.

Autumn storms are more about high winds than thunder.

[mystic nomad]

Chemtrail Patents:

Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere
United States Patent 4,686,605 / Eastlund / August 11, 1987
http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4686605.WKU.&OS=PN/4686605&RS=PN/4686605

A method and apparatus for altering at least one selected region which normally exists above the earth's surface. The region is excited by electron cyclotron resonance heating to thereby increase its charged particle density. In one embodiment, circularly polarized electromagnetic radiation is transmitted upward in a direction substantially parallel to and along a field line which extends through the region of plasma to be altered. The radiation is transmitted at a frequency which excites electron cyclotron resonance to heat and accelerate the charged particles. This increase in energy can cause ionization of neutral particles which are then absorbed as part of the region thereby increasing the charged particle density of the region.

Method of modifying weather
United States Patent 6,315,213 / Cordani / November 13, 2001
http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6315213.WKU.&OS=PN/6315213&RS=PN/6315213

A method for artificially modifying the weather by seeding rain clouds of a storm with suitable cross-linked aqueous polymer. The polymer is dispersed into the cloud and the wind of the storm agitates the mixture causing the polymer to absorb the rain. This reaction forms a gelatinous substance which precipitate to the surface below. Thus, diminishing the clouds ability to rain.

Process for absorbing ultraviolet radiation using dispersed melanin
United States Patent / 5,286,979 / Berliner / February 15, 1994
http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5286979.WKU.&OS=PN/5286979&RS=PN/5286979

This invention is a process for absorbing ultraviolet radiation in the atmosphere by dispersing melanin, its analogs, or derivatives into the atmosphere. By appropriate choice of melanin composition, size of melanin dispersoids, and their concentration, the melanin will absorb some quantity of ultraviolet radiation and thereby lessen its overall effect on the critters who would normally absorb such radiation.

Liquid atomizing apparatus for aerial spraying
United States Patent / 4,948,050 / Picot / August 14, 1990
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4948050.WKU.&OS=PN/4948050&RS=PN/4948050

A rotary liquid spray atomizer for aerial spraying is driven by a variable speed motor, driven in turn by power from a variable speed AC generator. The generator is driven from a power take-off from the engine of the spraying aircraft, a drive assembly includes a device for controlling the speed of the generator relative to the speed of the engine. The particularly convenient drive assembly between the generator and the power take-off is a hydraulic motor, which drives the generator, driven by a hydraulic pump driven from the power take-off. The speed of the hydraulic motor can be controllably varied. Conveniently the AC motor is a synchronous motor.

Laminar microjet atomizer and method of aerial spraying of liquids
United States Patent / 4,412,654 Yates / November 1, 1983
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4412654.WKU.&OS=PN/4412654&RS=PN/4412654

A laminar microjet atomizer and method of aerial spraying involve the use of a streamlined body having a slot in the trailing edge thereof to afford a quiescent zone within the wing and into which liquid for spraying is introduced. The liquid flows from a source through a small diameter orifice having a discharge end disposed in the quiet zone well upstream of the trailing edge. The liquid released into the quiet zone in the slot forms drops characteristic of laminar flow. Those drops then flow from the slot at the trailing edge of the streamlined body and discharge into the slipstream for free distribution.

ROCKET HAVING BARIUM RELEASE SYSTEM TO CREATE ION CLOUDS IN THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE
United States Patent: - US3813875 / Issued/Filed Dates: June 4, 1974 / April 28, 1972
http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailsbariumresearch.showMessage?topicID=28.t opic

A chemical system for releasing a good yield of free barium (Ba°) atoms and barium ions (BA+) to create ion clouds in the upper atmosphere and interplanetary space for the study of the geophysical properties of the medium. Inventor(s): Paine; Thomas O. Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration with respect to an invention of , Hampton, VA 23364

NASA: BARIUM - Chemical Formulas/Suppliers
source: gisgaia
This is the "Description of Preferred Embodiments" link in the NASA Barium Patent listed above. Astounding that this information was generated in l969 and now,30 years later, there is evidence of Barium saturation in our atmosphere.

The Barium/Fuel mixtures are listed below along with the suppliers.

Description of Preferred Embodiments:
Referring now to the drawings and more particularly to FIG. 1, there is shown a segment of a suitable carrier vehicle 10, such for example a rocket motor. Vehicle 10 is employed to carry fuel tank 11, insulated oxidizer tank 13 and combustion chamber 15, along with the necessary instrumentation, from earth into the upper atmosphere or into interplanetary space. Fuel tank 11 is in fluid connection with combustion chamber 15 and oxidizer tank 13 is in fluid connection with combustion chamber 15 by way of respective conduits 17 and 19. A pair of valves 21 and 23 are disposed within the respective conduits 17 and 19. Valves 21 and 23 are adapted to be selectively and simultaneously opened by a suitable battery-powered timing mechanism, radio signal, or the like, to release the pressurized fuel and oxidizer from tanks 11 and 13. The fuel and oxidizer then flow through conduits 17 and 19 and impinge upon each other through a centrally positioned manifold and suitable jets (not shown) in combustion chamber 15 where spontaneous ignition occurs. The reaction products are then expelled through the open ends of combustion chamber 15 as plasma which includes the desired barium neutral atoms and barium ions as individual species.

The fuel utilized in fuel tank 11 is either hydrazine (N2 H4) or liquid ammonia (NH3) while the oxidizer employed is selected from the group consisting of liquid fluorine (F2), chlorine trifluoride (ClF3) and oxygen difluoride (OF2). When using hydrazine as the fuel, barium may be dissolved therein as barium chloride, BaCl2, or barium nitrate, Ba(NO3)2, or a combination of the two. When using liquid ammonia as the fuel, barium metal may be dissolved therein. The combination found to produce the highest intensity of Ba° and Ba+ resonance radiation in ground based tests involved a fuel of 16 percent Ba(NO3)2, 17 percent BaCl2 and 67 percent N2 H4 ; and as the oxidizer, the cryogenic liquid fluorine F2 and in which an oxidizer to fuel weight ratio was 1.32.
Other combinations of ingredients tested are set forth in Table I below:

TABLE I
______________________________________
System Optimum O/F Percent
Ionization
Calculated
______________________________________
16.7% BaCl2 -
83.3% N2 H4 /ClF3
2.36 68.0
26% BaCl2 -
74% N2 H4 /ClF3
2.08 70.0
50% Ba(NO3)2 -
50% NH3 /ClF3
1.52 -
42.9% Ba(NO3)2 -
57.1% N2 H4 /ClF3
1.19 50.0
16.7% BaCl2 -
83.3% N2 H4 /F2
1.95 68.8
26% BaCl2 -
74% N2 H4 /F2
1.71 70.6
21% BaCl2 -
9% Ba(NO3)2 -
70% N2 H4 /F2
1.57 68.5
17% BaCl2 -
16% Ba(NO3)2 -
67% N2 H4 /F2
1.31 68.1
13% BaCl2 -
21.5% Ba(NO3)2 -
65.5% N2 H4 /F2
1.34 63.7
9% BaCl2 -
30% Ba(NO3)2 -
61% N2 H4 /F2
1.04 63.7
42.9% Ba(NO3)2 -
57.1% N2 H4 /F2
0.976 43.0
42.9% Ba(NO3)2 -
57.1% N2 H4 /OF2
0.694 46.9
26% BaCL2 -
74% N2 H4 /OF2
1.22 52.8
______________________________________
The conditions under which each of the combinations listed in Table I were tested were ambient and the percentage ionization was calculated by equations set forth in NASA Contract Report CR-1415 published in August 1969.
The chemical supplier and manufacturers stated purity for the various chemicals employed are set forth in Table II below:
______________________________________
Chemical
Supplier Purity
______________________________________
N2 H4
Olin Mathieson Chemical
Technical Grade
Company, Lake Charles,
97-98% N2 H4
Louisiana (2-3% H2 O)

NH3
Air Products and Chemicals
Technical Grade
Allentown, Pa.

BaCl2
J. T. Baker & Co. Reagent Grade
Phillipsburg, N.J.

Ba(NO3)2
J. T. Baker & Co. Reagent Grade
Phillipsburg, N.J.

F2 Air Products & Chemicals
98%
Allentown, Pa.
ClF3
Allied Chemical Co.
99.5%
Baton Rouge, La.
OF2
Allied Chemical Co.
98%
Baton Rouge, La.
______________________________________

A solubility study of various mixtures containing Ba(NO3)2, BaCl2 and N2 H4 was made at room temperature and is shown in the triangular plot of FIG. 2. Seven solutions that were used in the tests enumerated in Table I are indicated by reference letters in FIG. 2 as follows:
a. 16.7% BaCl2 - 83.3% N2 H4
b. 26% BaCl2 - 74% N2 H4
c. 21% BaCl2 - 9% Ba(NO3)2 - 70% N2 H4
d. 17% BaCl2 - 16% Ba(NO3)2 - 67% N2 H4
e. 13% BaCl2 -21.5% Ba(NO3)2 -65.5% N2 H4
f. 9% BaCl2 - 30% Ba(NO3)2 - 61% N2 H4
g. 42.9% Ba(NO3)2 - 57.1% N2 H4

A mixture below the Saturation Line, that is toward the Ba(NO3)2 or BaCl2 corners contained a solid and a solution phase whereas the salts were in complete solution above the saturation line.
All fuel mixtures or systems described were easily handled except the 50 percent Ba(NO3)2 -50 percent NH3 system. This system caused clogging of the feed valves due to precipitation of the Ba(NO3)2. In addition the light values obtained using this system was relatively low.
In testing of each of the fuel mixtures set forth in Table I the Ba° light was greater than the Ba+ light for a given oxidizer/fuel ratio in each of the mixtures. The maximum light occurred in all systems at a point located between the stoichiometric O/F and 3 percent less than the stoichiometric O/F. The stoichiometric O/F is defined as being equivalent to the oxidizer to fuel weight ratio in a balanced equation assuming the salt is converted to free Ba, F to HF, Cl to HCl and O to H2 O. For example, one system tested had an O/F ratio of 142 grams oxidizer per 100 grams fuel or 1.42/1.00. If the barium is assumed to be converted to BaF2 then the stoichiometric O/F is 1.47. Since the greatest light output in all cases occurred with O/F less than stoichiometric it is apparent that little of the Ba was combined as BaF2 or BaCl2. This was confirmed by spectrographic analysis.
In Table II the various systems are listed in decreasing light output or relative light intensity as measured by phototubes in millivolts, thereby indicating the relative barium yield.
TABLE III
__________________________________________________ ________
SYSTEM MAXIMUM RELATIVE
(percent weight for fuel)
INTENSITY, millivolts
Ba° 5535 A
Ba+ 4554 A
__________________________________________________ _________
17% BaCl2 -16% Ba(NO3)2 -67% N2 H4 /F2
27600
11800
13% BaCl2 -21.5% Ba(NO3)2 -65.5% N2 H4 /F2
23600
8340
21% BaCl2 -9% Ba(NO3)2 -70% N2 H4 /F2
20600
9100
9% BaCl2 -30% Ba(NO3)2 -61% N2 H4 /F2
16600
5970
26% BaCl2 -74% N2 H4 /F2
16600
6520
26% BaCl2 -74% N2 H4 /OF2
11800
2100
16.7% BaCl2 -83.3% N2 H4 /F2
9100 3350
42.9% Ba(NO3)2 -57.1% N2 H4 /F2
9000 1800
42.9% Ba(NO3)2 -57.1% N2 H4 /OF2
7300 1330
42.9% Ba(NO3)2 -57.1% N2 H4 /ClF3
663 94
50% Ba(NO3)2 -50% NH3 /ClF3
221 44
__________________________________________________ _________

From the above information, it is readily seen that the 17 percent BaCl2 -16 percent Ba(NO3)2 -67 percent N2 H4 /F2 system gave the greatest amount of light intensity of the 4554 A Ba+ and 5535 A Ba° spectral lines. Ambient tests showed that the optimum oxidizer to fuel ratio of this system was 1.32 to 1.00. This system containing 8.52 weight percent barium was estimated to be 68.1 percent ionized. Also since this system had the largest relative light intensity it would be expected to give the greatest amount of Ba° and Ba+ and would appear to be the optimum system for a barium payload. In all systems tested it was found that the relative light reached a maximum at the O/F corresponding to the stoichiometric equation yielding barium as one of the reaction products and that the relative light output was sensitive to the O/F. Moving to either side of the optimum O/F caused a sharp decrease in relative light.
In vacuum tests the ignition of each system tested was smooth and like the ambient tests, took place in the combustion chamber. The rapid expansion in vacuum caused a decreased atom and ion density in the luminous flame which caused the light intensity to be about 1/37 to 1/50 the intensity measured in ambient tests. The percentage ionization was approximately the same for vacuum and ambient tests.
The operation of the invention is now believed apparent. Initially, fuel tank 11 is charged with the fuel containing the desired quantity of dissolved barium salt and pressurized with helium. The fuel tank pressure may be in the range of 6.89 to 20.06 ¥ 105 Newton/meter2. Oxidizer tank 13 is also charged with the appropriate oxidizer and pressurized. Cryogenic oxidizers such as OF2 and F2 are condensed from gases in the closed oxidizer tank which must be maintained enclosed in a liquid nitrogen bath. The oxidizer feed valve 23 and conduit 19 must also be maintained at liquid nitrogen temperature with a liquid nitrogen jacket when employing a cryogenic oxidizer.
The noncryogenic oxidizer, ClF3, may be pressurized into the closed oxidizer tank 13 from a supply bottle with super dry nitrogen.
Combustion chamber 15 is formed of stainless steel, aluminum, or the like F2 compatible metals and is internally partitioned by the manifold, not shown. The conduits 17 and 19 terminate in a manifold having injector orifices (not shown) mounted 90° to each other within each end of chamber 15 and sized for pressure drops of 5.24 to 10.2 ¥ 105 Newton/meter2 across the orifice. Fuel and oxidizer flows are in the range of 2.05 to 6.82 Kg/sec each. The entire system is carried into the upper atmosphere or interplanetary space by rocket vehicle 10 where, in response to a suitable signal, timing mechanism or the like, valves 21 and 23 may be selectively opened and closed and the pressurized liquid fuel and oxidizer will flow through conduits 17 and 19 into combination unit 15. When the hypergolic liquids impinge upon each other, they spontaneously ignite to expel reaction product gases or plasma including the highly luminous barium neutral atoms and barium ions as individual species. All of the barium reaching the combustion chamber is vaporized and released through the opposite ends thereof so that a high yield efficiency is obtained. The resulting high flame temperature, approximately 4,000°K., and some as yet not determined chemical activation, produces a relatively large amount of barium ions in the flame which is a highly desirable condition. It has been estimated from spectroscopic measurements that the degree of ionization may be as high as 75 percent in the released plasma in comparison to being on the order of 1 percent for the previously used Ba-CuO solid system which depends almost entirely on solar photoionization, a time-dependent phenomena which further reduces the usable barium yield of this known system.
Thus, it is readily apparent that the present invention provides an inherently more efficient process of producing barium clouds wherein the degree of ionization in the released plasma is much greater. The selectively opening and closing of valves 21 and 23 gives the possibility of a payload with multiple releases permitted due to the start and stop capabilities of the liquid system. Also, the liquid system of the present invention gives the possibility of controlling rates so that a trailtype release can be obtained as well as a point-source type. In addition, the liquid system of the present invention effects the formation of barium atoms and ions at the time of combustion and expansion at high temperatures and results in little opportunity for the barium to condense during release.
There are obviously many variations and modifications to the present invention that will be readily apparent to those skilled in the art without departing from the spirit or scope of the disclosure or from the scope of the claims.

[accuracy]

Extremely Heavy Chemtrails
Over Oregon Coast


From Larry Meyer
6-29-9

Extremly heavy chemtrail over Brookings, Oregon Saturday, June 27, 2009.?


http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9190/img001412.jpg

[anthony65]

The image shown is from a website that shows lightning occurences across Europe.

Note the incredibly long line of lightning flashes running through Northern Scotland to Russia in one direction and on into the Atlantic in the other.

This is just one example of caught in the act fucking with the weather. Apparently a Russian HAARP type location in this case.

Who knows that Chernobyl was one of a number of atomic power stations used to generate power for the 30km long antenna array know as Woodpecker?

http://www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/show_post.php?p=5375

Here is a link to the lightning website. Keep your eyes peeled!

http://www.meteox.com/h.aspx?r=&jaar=-3&soort=lightning

[margaretr]

US spray planes forced down in India and Nigeria
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/environment/humans/chemtrails/news.php?q=1246309936

[disorder2k8]

US spray planes forced down in India and Nigeria
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/environment/humans/chemtrails/news.php?q=1246309936

good article

[lw71]

http://www.orgonite.info/what-is-orgonite.html

http://www.orgonite.eu/index.php?main_page=page&id=7&chapter=0

http://www.warriormatrix.com/

http://www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/forum.php

http://www.ctbusters.com/home/

http://orgoniseafrica.com/

http://www.orgostar.es/

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62867

[cor9]

HAARP;
I need more info on this. I have seen the sites about ionsphere experiments and yes it dodgy. I know the main station is in Alaska, but from don Crofts writings there appear to be a lot more of them (smaller ones), some located at electrical stations in Nth America. Is this true? Or is there just the Alaskan one? He also talks about 'martial law towers' what are these?



There's an official Dutch report about environment from the year 1999(!!!).
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+REPORT+A4-1999-0005+0+DOC+PDF+V0//NL
Use search option -> HAARP
Then use an online translator to translate those sections

In this report, among other things, is stated HAARP is:
- A non-lethal weapon
- HAARP-experiments are being conducted to use the environment as a weapon.
- HAARP has an influence on the environment on a mondial scale. The influence of HAARP is to be tested by international and independent institutes.
- The document also states that there should be more mainstream exposure about HAARP, so the people are informed(never happened).
- More tests to test if HAARP has any negative effects on our weather, communication, health, etc.
- I can't really make out exactly where, but in the rapport it's said there is a HAARP somewhere in the north of Europe(Sweden, Finland, Russia and Norway's governments are working together on this). I think there's also one in the Netherlands.


At page 19 in the document a pretty good summary of HAARP is presented.
Online translator:

BEGIN

HAARP - a weapon system that disorganises the climate
on 5 February 1998 organised the sub-committee security and disarmament of the European
Parliament a hearing concerning among other things. HAARP. Representatives of the NATO and the US
had been invited, but they did not prefer taking part. The Commission regrets that the US sent
nobody to ask answer and none used of the possibility the presented
of foreseeing material of an explanation (24).
HAARP; programme for the research of hoogfrequente radiation (High Frequency Active
Auroral Research project) is implemented jointly by the American air power and
Navy, in association with the Geophysical Institute or the University or Alaska, Fairbanks.
Similar tasting is also carried out Norway, probably on the south pole,
but also in the former Soviet Union (25). HAARP are a research project in the framework of which
with equipment on the ground, exactly of antennae which everyone their energy is warmed up received of
its own sender, sharing ionosphere (26) with powerful radio golves. Generated
energy warms up certain parts of the ionosphere with the consequence which falls there in the ionosphere
also breaches and artificial Len zen arises.
HAARP can be used for a lot of aims. By are able manipulate the electric properties
in the atmosphere enormous strengths be sent. If this is used as a weapon
the consequences on the enemy can be devastating. By means of HAARP millions times
can be conducted more energy to an exact place then with every other traditional
sender. Energy can be also aimed against a moving aim, which can be useful
at the suppression of hostile rockets.

The project makes it also possibly improves with submarines to communicate and
the circumstances on the world to manipulate. Also the reverse is however possible,
namely disturbing the communication. By influencing whereas the ionosphere can
the global communication be disturbed, the communication of the user passes at the same time.
Another application of the system is turning radiographies of the ground into on some
kilometres depth (by means of aarddoordringende tomography) crudes and localise gasvelden, but
also underground military equipment. Radar which can look at objects on long distance concerning the horizon
gone and can define, is a further application of HAARP-systeem. This way
approaching objects can be looked up behind the bending of the surface of the earth.
Since the beginning of the fifties the US in have brought Van Allen-gordels to deflagration
to core material examine which impact had core deflagrations on this way large altitude because of
the electromagnetic pulsen which arise during the explosion, for the doorgifte of
radio indicators and for the functioning of radar. Thus arose new magnetic radiation girding awl which
includes nearly the complete ground. The electrons moved themselves along magnetische-veldlijnen and
caused above the North pole an artificial noorderlicht. The danger exists that Van
Allen-gordel as a result of is disorganised seriously these military tests long-term. The magnetic
field of the nature can be disturbed concerning large areas as a result of which radio communication becomes
impossible. According to American scientists hundreds of years can it last before Van Allengordel
is stabilised. HAARP can bring with changes in patterns with itself. It
can be also of influence on the complete ecosystem, particularly in the sensitive regionregion region.
An additional serious consequence of HAARP is the breaches in the ionosphere which is caused
by the powerful radio jets which are transmitted. The ionosphere protects us against cosmic
radiation of outside. It is hoped that the breaches fill itself, but the experiences with
changes of the ozone layer indicate in contrary direction. This means that the protecting
ionosphere shows large breaches.
By the enormous consequences on the environment HAARP a global problem is and it is doubt
if the advantages of these systems even out really the dangers. The ecological and ethical
impact must be examined thoroughly before and taste further research
are carried out. HAARP are at the public opinion nearly entirely unknown and it is important that
the general notion is widened concerning this project.
HAARP have been coupled to fifty years intensive space research of a clearly military nature, among other things.
within the framework of Star true, with the intention the upper layers of the atmosphere and
mastering the communications. This type research must be considered as a serious verstoring of
the environment, which can possibly unsuspected consequences on human living.
Nobody weet at present certain which impact can bring HAARP with itself. The culture of
geheimzinnigheid concerning military research must be fought. The right to
publicity and democratic control of military research projects and of parliamentary
research must be promoted.

Against lifts of a range international laws (Treaty concerning prohibition of military or everyone
other one hostile use of techniques to change the environment, the TreatyTreaty Treaty,
the Treaty concerning principles for behaviour of the countries at the research of the space, with
inclusion of the maan and other sky bodies, and the Un treaty concerning sea legislation) comes
HAARP forward as very doubtful, not only from human and political point of view, but
also from legal optiek. According to the TreatyTreaty Treaty the south pole can exclusively becomes uses for peaceful aims (27). This means that HAARP are a summary offence of
the volkerenrecht. All impact of the new weapon systems must be examined by independent
international agencies. There additional international agreements must be established
to protect the environment during wars against unnecessary infestation.


END

Okay! One of the shittiest online translators I've ever used.
Hope you can make something out of it.
Any questions about the translation or other parts of the document: Just ask me. :)

[lw71]

"HAARP - The Ultimate Weapon Of The Conspiracy" - J.E. Smith 1998

"Angels Don't Play This Haarp - Advances in Tesla Technology" - N. Begich 1995

As has been said, this stuff isn't new. Tesla was working with advanced tech in the early 1900's which was co-opted by the 'establishment' & effectively disappeared from public view. The inventor was then consigned to the trash heap, the same thing they did to Reich. Nigh on a century later those 'in charge' are still covertly using this tech for their own ends. Patents galore have long been filed for EM mind control, 'non-lethal' weaponry, weather manipulation & the like, they're all in use & have been for who knows how long.

Loads of stuff out there.....

http://www.whale.to/b/rifat.html

http://mindcontrol.twoday.net/stories/4931146/

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-8542507.html

http://www.subversiveelement.com/MK_Psychotronic_weapons.html

http://www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/

http://www.whale.to/b/constantine6.html

http://www.crystalinks.com/haarp.html

http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1207.cfm

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/efw.htm

[lw71]

http://www.psywarriormatrix.com/about5623.html

[aulidur]

I have a hypothesis concerning the modern origins of HAARP. I am aware that the technology comes from Tesla, and I love that man, I really do. However, I have information about where the true development of HAARP may have been researched and produced. It's one of those "in the right place at the right time" sort of things, and it may be of note. HAARP has been in steady development since the early to mid 1970's. And I actually had the pleasure of being trained on a piece of equipment that was designed for the study but deemed useful for regular military operations.

My hypothesis is "out there" and often generates a great deal of skepticism. I am willing to share it and receive what opinions are out there. I expect that. But America doesn't go from Teslas papers to HAARP without testing and research. I believe I can fill that gap.

Some of it will seem so common sense that it will make you say "duh, that makes sense." Other bits will make you think I am a looney. There is a link, and I believe that I have it.

More to follow

Lee

[lw71]

...still waiting :)

[stargategazer]

Hi Anoninnyc,

Thanks for the thread & interesting link on HAARP, wow, I cannot believe how blantantly they talk about messing with the Earth's ionosphere & beaming billions of watts of microwaves into our atmosphere, what a huge violoation on everone's rights! Why are they replicated the effects of the Sun here? :confused:

There are so many theories about HAARP, I reckon it's anyone's guess be it mind control, weather control, earthquakes etc... All i do know is that there's a reason it's being kept so quiet, I mean, who even knows it exists in joe public? In Patricia Cori's book 'The Cosmos of Soul', the Sirians say that there is a forcefield around the planet to imprison the anunaki here (thanks guys!) & HAARP is their way of trying to break free from this. It also has interesting info on the extent of the work that is in progress already on the moon too by them, a great read. Regards the HAARP theory, i'm not sure on that one.

Has anyone read 'Angels don't play this HAARP' by Dr Nick Begich?

Chemtrails, what a subject... I filmed 21 chemtrails around my house yesterday afternoon, all in about 1 hour. Also got 2 helicopters as a bonus!! Will try & get it up on youtube soon... No suprise, we had rain during the night! I do believe that it has something to do with weather, but I feel that's not all of it...

Some interesting links on chemtrails...
http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails.htm
http://lime-zone.blogspot.com/2007/01/once-upon-scalar-sky.html Hello Limelady!
Also check out the many videos on youtube by doing a search on chemtrails.

Hello Unicorn.....I think in Patricia Cori's book 'Cosmos of Soul' one of the uses of the HAARP technology is to place a electromagnetic grid around our planet is said to be used by the Annunaki to imprison the population of earth and keep beneficial ETs out?

[lw71]

http://tracers.8m.com/tracers.html

[lw71]

http://luxefaire.com/devilvision/tableofcontents.html

[SteveG]

Hi. The sinister Radio Frequency project in Alaska, called the 'HAARP Program' that has been developed to gain access to the Human mind, through the implimative auto suggestive technique. Like Visual subliminal mind control techniques used in television, but this system uses Radiated HF radio to modulate LF messages to the brain electromagnetically.

The HIGH FREQUENCY ACTIVE AURAL RESEARCH PROGRAM (HAARP) has been operational since the early 70's and has complemented to a mass dumbing down operation within society generally. One only has to look at the masses that are party to the entertainment machine, to see how effective it is.

The majority of people don't think for themselves any longer they let 'Big Brother' do that for them, and imagine that there best interests are being taken care of. .."The 'experts' can't be wrong".. And they acquiesce to them, as they also do the powers that be in government; They unknowingly give their powers away to corrupt governance who can implement an agenda on the World that was conceived centuries prior by the shadow elite.

They will have even more control when they play their ace card the Varichip, an implanted Microchip deceptively sold as an Identification tag. The ID bit may be useful but when information flows both ways from HAARP to the chip they are able to determine a persons emotions, reactions, and a common mode of thought.

We are presently Automatons fighting for a favorable existence but once this 'Scalar' mind control technique is fully operational with the Varichip the free willed human will be no more.

Reduce to a Robot that Orwell depicted in his book 1984 or as Huxley described of its implementation, in his title

'A brave new World'.

HAARP is also conjunctive to weather anomalies and can determine when or where a hurricane for example will occur, and through the ionization of atmospheric conditions, guide cloud formations in the same manner.

Through Magnetic polarization implemented by High frequency RF energy in the sky, weather fronts can be steered anywhere globally. In fact through weather manipulation volcanic activity can be stimulated and it has been done so numerous times.. Do you think Haiti was a natural occurrence? Maybe but it may have been triggered with a specifically ionized weather front creating a 'forward momentum downstream' which is conducive to an instant significant envoi mental heat surge. When refracted from the Ionosphere and is directed to a volcanic area on the globe, then certainly it would stimulate a volcanic eruption!
Weather Warfare isn't a new thing as its Implementation is not, as we are observing the ever increasing disasters throughout the World.
Its sinister purpose is implementation of a population reduction and thus more control by the ruling Elite. Their aim is for a one World Government, one World Currency, A one World Army, and the 'jewel in their crown' a dumped downed micro-chipped population, reduced tenfold. They are well on the road to achieving this as the majority remain nieve to this agenda.

But through the Internet and books many are beginning to link the coordinates and become aware of this centuries old manipulative goal of the shadow government. Them we never see are those at the top of the pyramidal controlling structure who really 'pull the strings'.
Those at the lower level of the pyramid just know enough to perform their role within the hierarchy. In fact many of those at the lower levels could be politicians and actually think they are effecting a change within society. But they are soon 'pulled into line' or ruined if they stray from the acceptable norm and start singing from the same song sheet again. At the base of the pyramid (us), many actually think the ruling classes are there to serve us when in fact they unwittingly serving themselves. They are blinded by the many rewards they all early accept from the structured hierarchy they are party to.

Eventually the many will reclaim their power from the few that we have entrusted our power to and change the status of our political and environmental World. Renouncing the monetarist society and implementing a Resource society where we live according to our available resources. Instead of 'raping' the planet for the excessive over production of produce for monetarist profit, we use the resources for what we need and forget about the self centered profit margins!!

Jacques Fresco and Susanne Summers have founded the 'Venus Project' based on this axiom and It is accelerating globally as more and more awaken to the ludricase premise we subject ourselves to.

It’s only a matter of time ... It’s only a matter of time

[air_bn]

Of course the Venus Project is the next phase for a cyberneticly controlled, resource based global economic system.

As illustrated here by the makers of Zeitgeist:

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=3932487043163636261

[phantoo]

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[phantoo]

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[phantoo]

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[bruiseviolet]

Weird trails everywhere today in the South East. Just been walking and the sky is absolutely loaded with them and nearly every single one had small rainbows at the end of them. Just going straight in line with the trails.

I'm taking my camera with me from now on.

[air_bn]

Weird trails everywhere today in the South East. Just been walking and the sky is absolutely loaded with them and nearly every single one had small rainbows at the end of them. Just going straight in line with the trails.

I'm taking my camera with me from now on.

This might help explain it bv:

http://www.flightradar24.com/

[bruiseviolet]

This might help explain it bv:

http://www.flightradar24.com/

Ah thank you. Lots of air traffic. Still, never seen trails like it before.

[air_bn]

Ah thank you. Lots of air traffic. Still, never seen trails like it before.

I suppose it could be said,never in the history of aviation have there been so many jet aircraft in our skies,you notice a lot of those are flying at high altitude!
Incidently,I never noticed the trails til someone pointed them out to me 3 or 4
years ago.

[lw71]

Weird trails everywhere today in the South East. Just been walking and the sky is absolutely loaded with them and nearly every single one had small rainbows at the end of them. Just going straight in line with the trails.


+1

[fekdemasons]

I suppose it could be said,never in the history of aviation have there been so many jet aircraft in our skies,you notice a lot of those are flying at high altitude!
Incidently,I never noticed the trails til someone pointed them out to me 3 or 4
years ago.

I was outside at party yesterday , I observed the usual doughnuts on a rope phenomina and asked myself how this occurs...

They look like chains or patterns when you cut a peice of paper and unfold it..

Do equidistant uniform shapes stretching for miles indicate that something is pulsing ?

Why does one side of the trail look a certain way and the other like a straight line... After all its 2 engines or a bank of four .. How deos this effect the bias in a contrail pattern ??

[air_bn]

I was outside at party yesterday , I observed the usual doughnuts on a rope phenomina and asked myself how this occurs...

They look like chains or patterns when you cut a peice of paper and unfold it..

Do equidistant uniform shapes stretching for miles indicate that something is pulsing ?

Why does one side of the trail look a certain way and the other like a straight line... After all its 2 engines or a bank of four .. How deos this effect the bias in a contrail pattern ??

Thermals,and wind currents in the atmosphere make some pretty spectacular patterns from cloud and trails, some would have you believe they were sylph lifeforms:D

Stil overcast at 3pm

[moving finger]

The HIGH FREQUENCY ACTIVE AURAL RESEARCH PROGRAM (HAARP) has been operational since the early 70's

Is that the same as High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program that was started in 1990?

[freedomfactor]

funny today it's cloudy but the sky looks very grey/blue-ish.....allo and behold we see chemtrails behind the clouds!

[freeman steve]

B.o.B - Airplanes ft. Hayley Williams of Paramore [Official Music Video]

B.o.B - Airplanes (Feat. Hayley Williams of Paramore) - YouTube

[tootrue]

Prince on chemtrails - Prince talks about Chemtrails on TV - YouTube

[jimj_wpg]

Hi. The sinister Radio Frequency project in Alaska, called the 'HAARP Program' that has been developed to gain access to the Human mind, through the implimative auto suggestive technique.

The HAARP device will be destroyed in the next 12 months.

[teleport227]

Description of HAARP from the book of Enoch (Noah’s Grandfather), read more here:

http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/thebookofenoch.htm

XXXIV-XXXV. Enoch’s Journey to the North.

34
And from thence I went towards the north to the ends of the earth, and there I saw a great and glorious device at the ends of the whole earth. And here I saw three portals of heaven open in the heaven: through each of them proceed north winds: when they blow there is cold, hail, frost, snow, dew, and rain. And out of one portal they blow for good: but when they blow through the other two portals, it is with violence and affliction on the earth, and they blow with violence.

[john connor]

funny today it's cloudy but the sky looks very grey/blue-ish.....allo and behold we see chemtrails behind the clouds!

+1

[john connor]

The HAARP device will be destroyed in the next 12 months.

Better not let the boys from raytheon hear that

:eek:

[azureangel]

First sighting of Maui chemtrail today. I was aware they were here but hadn't seen one yet. Sigh. First time on this part of the Forum. Was in California in June and saw many criss-crosses in the sky at mid-day. Cheers.
Love, angel

[chattanova]

Chemtrails & 'Spider Web' Material

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/7/10/13/kennet/f_10e0tlrus42m_0392744.jpg

This was taken on Sept 27/10 in McCook, NE. This thing was spraying chemtrails and stuff was falling out of the sky that looked like spider web but it was light and strong and now are waiting for the test on it.

--Jerry N.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/photo/category/most-recent

[gluoniel]

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4122

What do you guys think?

it states HAARP can't affect the weather because the energy is absorbed only by the ionosphere not by the weather controling troposphere.

[tescos organic]

Chemtrails & 'Spider Web' Material


for that plane to leave a trail (chem or con) it'd have to be many miles up. unless that 'stuff' is made of lead it would've blown hundreds of miles away and taken many hours or days to reach the ground. i'd like to see some bona fide evidence linking the fluff to the trail.

[air_bn]

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4122

What do you guys think?

it states HAARP can't affect the weather because the energy is absorbed only by the ionosphere not by the weather controling troposphere.

Hmm...no music or scary stuff? no one else interested in the 2+2=5 mindset?

Thanks for the link gluoniel,will comment later on.

[air_bn]

Chemtrails & 'Spider Web' Material

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/photo/category/most-recent

Wow, you'd better not eat any wild growing fruit in that case, best leave it for the birds to be infected, and die from?

[indianinthemachine]

SYLPH SKY ELEMENTALS TRANSMUTE CHEMTRAILS

http://sylphsandufocloudships.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/sylph-munching-on-a-chemtrail.jpg

TWO WEBSITES ON THIS WONDERFUL NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PLANET, THAT IS THINNING THE VEIL BETWEEN THE PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL WORLDS...

http://sylphsandufocloudships.wordpress.com
(http://sylphsandufocloudships.wordpress.com)
http://www.indianinthemachine.com/sylphsandufocloudships.html

[jconnar]

http://nutbarsnz.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/contrails1.jpg

http://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/1454956689_44a09f2d27_r2.jpg

http://chemtrailsnorthnz.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/contrailww2.jpg
http://project7alpha.com/wp1/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/b-17_flying_fortress.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/NAJN8JTZ6nxdb4dyASEfQ9HFo1_500.jpg

http://www.491st.org/godshall/contrail.jpg
http://contrailscience.com/images/contrailsfromtail.jpg

Don't be fooled people. Its not chemtrails, its contrails.

Don't assume its sinister because you cannot explain it. Go to your local weather station and ask the people there, or go to your local airport and ask the pilots about aircraft creating contrails.

Free yourself from fear.

[beldazar]

Free yourself from fear

Here we go again :rolleyes:

Why do people say this when it is them, in fact, in fear?

[tescos organic]

Here we go again :rolleyes:

Why do people say this when it is them, in fact, in fear?

is it?
fear of a globally orchistrated spraying scheme?
fear of thousands of huge planes spraying god-knows-what into the skies?
looking up and feeling fear and dread when you see a trail?


me?
i see contrails. pretty, long, thin clouds.
i see people going on holiday, planes full of happy vibes.

[beldazar]

looking up and feeling fear and dread when you see a trail?


What???


Not me sunshine :rolleyes:

[tescos organic]

What???


Not me sunshine :rolleyes:

glad to hear it! :)

[ytch]

Don't assume its sinister because you cannot explain it. Go to your local weather station and ask the people there, or go to your local airport and ask the pilots about aircraft creating contrails.

Free yourself from fear.

Yepp, Me did the same about 9/11, I just asked the authorities
and they gave me explainations...

I´m relieved and sleep much better now..;)

[indianinthemachine]

http://quake.ualr.edu/public/Arepicen.jpg

500 ARKANSAS EARTHQUAKES SINCE 10/10/10
http://indianinthemachine.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/arkansas-has-had-over-500-measurable-earthquakes-since-101010-heres-why-by-dieter-braun-indian-in-the-machine/

[tru3]

thanks for bumping this thread.

here is a link to "What in the World are they Spraying?", a documentary produced by g. edward griffin, among others. i am watching it now.

The page you were looking for doesn't exist (404)

edit: "and by the way, it's not really a moral hazard, it's free riding on our grandkids"- david keith, geoengineer, university of calgary

...i feel it would be interesting to research who is buying up aluminum futures and contracts? any one know how to go about this? follow the money!!

[beldazar]

thanks for bumping this thread.

here is a link to "What in the World are they Spraying?", a documentary produced by g. edward griffin, among others. i am watching it now.

http://www.viddler.com/explore/Drewsick/videos/24/

edit: "and by the way, it's not really a moral hazard, it's free riding on our grandkids"- david keith, geoengineer, university of calgary

...i feel it would be interesting to research who is buying up aluminum futures and contracts? any one know how to go about this? follow the money!!

Quoted for vid and wanted to add this article. Up on the headlines page this morning ;)

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/329/825/The_Chemtrail_Conditioning_Program.html


They are extremely un-natural--but now, like many other un-natural social trends, it's slowly becoming accepted and therefore thought of as "natural". Pavlovian conditioning at work.

Just so it can be seen. :cool:

[tru3]

Quoted for vid and wanted to add this article. Up on the headlines page this morning ;)

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/329/825/The_Chemtrail_Conditioning_Program.html




Just so it can be seen. :cool:

thanks so much! i've been waiting for this one for some time. it's been out for over a month-- wtf i must be slippin. :confused:

[beldazar]

thanks so much! i've been waiting for this one for some time. it's been out for over a month-- wtf i must be slippin. :confused:

Well I only saw it on the headlines page this morning.

[shed7628]

Taken East Yorkshire 30 mins ago

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5363/dscf1676.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7601/dscf1677o.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1059/dscf1678xi.jpg

[air_bn]

is it?
fear of a globally orchistrated spraying scheme?
fear of thousands of huge planes spraying god-knows-what into the skies?
looking up and feeling fear and dread when you see a trail?

me?
i see contrails. pretty, long, thin clouds.
i see people going on holiday, planes full of happy vibes.

Same here.

Believing they are chemtrails will make you ill eventually!

[beldazar]

I like you :D

[stupid]

I believe what you see.
When did you first notice the heavy trails, as opposed to what they used to look like ?

[luvsoulja]

Don't Talk About The Weather

Don't Talk About The Weather is an epic 27 part documentary with some very cool music. :)

[jimj_wpg]

luvsoulja, Don't Talk About the Weather is a '27-part documentary' on Youtube.

If you were to buy the DVD it would be in one part.

Youtube limits video clips to ~10 minutes, hence the 27 'parts'.

:rolleyes: :(

[jimj_wpg]

...i feel it would be interesting to research who is buying up aluminum futures and contracts? any one know how to go about this? follow the money!!

And does it somehow tie in with that most soft drink containers are made of plastic not glass/aluminum anymore.

The military industrial complex bought up/controlled most of the aluminum years ago to spray on us since the 1990s.

[tescos organic]

The military industrial complex bought up/controlled most of the aluminum years ago to spray on us since the 1990s.

some evidence of that would be nice.....
perhaps you'd be good enough to post up the info that lead you to that conclusion.

[beldazar]

And does it somehow tie in with that most soft drink containers are made of plastic not glass/aluminum anymore.

The military industrial complex bought up/controlled most of the aluminum years ago to spray on us since the 1990s.

Also I have noticed that some signmakers have gone onto plastic now, I used to be able to get aluminium shavings from them but can't now they are plastic. :(

[jconnar]

http://environauts.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/true-nature-of-contrails/

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=SpGfKb23Y9QC&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=contrails+forming+clouds&source=bl&ots=WKMtxstial&sig=XXVuYLae5k0ShLz86FQbsePhFYA&hl=en&ei=lV49Tef-FozuuAOx_J2dCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=contrails%20forming%20clouds&f=false

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31735517/Contrails-Chemtrails-and-Artificial-Clouds

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/content/interviews/interview/1304/

http://www.solcomhouse.com/airtraffic.htm

http://www.global-greenhouse-warming.com/contrails.html

[tornado]

Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped


Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped - YouTube

[stupid]

Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped

He gives NO details.
No real evidence.
No specifics.

It's "because he says so"....that's it.

[tescos organic]

Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped

so, if it's ok to believe a 'former FBI chief' now, is it ok to believe USAF too??

this quote from the site of the chemtrail-meister himself, 'tanker enemy'....

[in 2000] The Official Department of the Air Force response to queries about chemtrails reads in part: “the term “chemtrail” is a hoax that began circulating approximately three years ago which asserts the government is involved in a joint federal program of covert spraying of the public . . . There is no such thing as a “chemtrail” – the natural contrails are safe and are a natural phenomenon. They pose no health hazard of any kind.”

[tornado]

He gives NO details.
No real evidence.
No specifics.

It's "because he says so"....that's it.

Just that.

[jimj_wpg]

some evidence of that would be nice.....
perhaps you'd be good enough to post up the info that lead you to that conclusion.

The tools I'm using FYI... my intuition and common sense.

[tescos organic]

The tools I'm using FYI... my intuition and common sense.

ok.... thanks.

[stupid]

The tools I'm using FYI... my intuition and common sense.

...as opposed to what ?

[indianinthemachine]

http://www.tvtechnology.com/uploadedimages/TV_Technology/Home_Cover_Storty/winds2_0707.jpg
FOX CHIEF METEOROLOGIST: “I am open minded and always listen to all sides of an argument. In this case, I can not find one legitimate scientific clue or fact that we are being “poisoned by” contrails.”
http://indianinthemachine.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/fox-chief-meteorologist-cannot-find-one-legitimate-reason-that-chemtrails-exist-should-we-feel-compassion-because-these-media-folks-are-likely-brainwashed-by-dieter-braun-indian-in-the-machine/

[jimj_wpg]

...as opposed to what ?

As opposed to left brain centred rationality.

[stupid]

As opposed to left brain centered rationality.
I am "right brained", as in your (the) frame of categorization.
I use my left hand....I always have.
My parents tried to change me when I was 6yo....but I went back, all on my own.
Turns out now, I am an artist, and I don't like math.

[jimj_wpg]

The past week it's been mainly clear skies in Winnipeg, Canada, and this weekend the forecast is for Spring-like temperatures in the -2 to +3 C range.

Three weeks ago (as of tomorrow) we had a huge deluge of snow fall on Winnipeg and surrounding area. Not as bad as the Winter of 1996-97 though.

The province of Manitoba...at the moment is warning of a possible Spring flood in the Red River Valley region.

cbc.ca - Ominous Manitoba Flood Forecast Feared
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2011/01/23/man-flood-forecast-advancer.html

So....I wonder if... there is a risk of flooding in south/southeastern Manitoba in the next few months that the chemtrail sprayers are backing OFF to allow the snow to melt and reduce the chances of flooding later on...But then again, the ones in power to do the cheming don't really have our best interests in mind to begin with.

Any thoughts?

[nosferatu_dj]

OMG! A new way to test Chemtrails! Metal Detector

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2-_2BF2Q7Ehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2-_2BF2Q7E
OMG! Is right when you see this! I did a simple test today with a metal detector set all the way up! wow! I did not expect these results! *(Watch part 2 where I test the snow!!) Last night in Tucson it rained and then snowed, and they had been spraying Chemtrails all day yesterday! Look what the water has in it! Try this at home as i'm sure some of you have better metal detectors than I do but talk about shocking results! This particular test may not actually prove anything but these are the results from my metal detector! No trickery. It just looks real bad and probably for good reason! I HOPE THAT SOMEONE WILL PROVE THESE RESULTS WRONG!! PLEASE! That would mean that I am not being sprayed with aluminum and Barrium in all these manmade clouds we see daily over tucson! Problem is, this is really happening! Like it or not people. The reason I made this video is so people can test this with a better metal detector, and maybe this video will get the Forest service to test the snow! I will see what I can get done.... but feel free to help me people! I wouldn't mind some help from....like....SOMEONE!!!!!!!! Feel free to step right up and get the water and snow tested! I have no money whatsoever and I find time to do the things I do, so let me know if someone wants to pay for the tests....i'd be glad to get samples.....or what the heck, maybe another person will take the initiative to do it themselves! What a concept! WAKE UP PEOPLE! Tucson is a city of ONE MILLION..hello people. PS I tolerate no trolls. sorry. PSS Ron Paul 2012!

OMG2! Chemtrail Snow tested with Metal Detector! Mt.Lemmon Az

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRIzpr77EcQhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRIzpr77EcQ(I can either cry or laugh. I prefer to laugh. CH) And once again OMG is correct! Wait till you see what happens when Reporter Chris Haskell goes to Mt. Lemmon Az just outside of Tucson and tests the snow with a metal detector! PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG! I HOPE I AM WRONG because that would mean that were not being covered in Aluminum and Barrium daily in Az! That would be nice but these are the results whether you like them or not. No trickery, that is just what my metal detector did. I was not happy. Sorry about all the cussing. I will attempt to keep the cussing out of my videos in the future. March 06th 2011 which was also a day of heavy Geo-Engineering in Tucson Az. If someone has a comment telling me what I should or shouldn't have done, it is this simple...DO IT YOURSELF! Gee, not like it's important or anything. I'd hate to waste someone else's precious time. Here's the deal, This video was done so that someone else can test this where they are at! I have two metal detectors and the other one does nothing at the highest setting on the snow. I assume this is because one metal detector is more sensitive. Two different brands! I think we need to further test this snow to see what we get. So here is the deal folks....I cannot do everything by myself for an entire city of ONE MILLION people! I literally do this FULL TIME now, and I don't get paid one penny so maybe someone out of a million people in this city alone could step up and pay for the tests! I would be glad to gather snow and water samples or here is a novel idea, someone could just do this themselves! Wow, imagine if only a handful of people have achieved this much awareness, imagine what just one percent of the rest of the people could do! But chances are not good folks,...it doesnt look too good, people driving around..rushing to work to pay taxes, drool hanging out the mouth never even look up at the sky anymore! WTF Aspartane/ Mercury in the corn Syrup, Mercury in the Shots, Flouride(Toxic waste) in the water, Hormones in all the meat, Aluminum and Barrium being sprayed in the air, and a heathcare system designed to keep you sick and on drugs! And i'm crazy? Have you drugged your kids today? Most of the people out there aren't going to make it through this. They are way too far gone. For the others... Watch the docmentary film, "What in the world are they spraying?" Free on You Tube and Google! (Can you tell I just dealt with a bunch of stupid troll comments,,,sorry) Ron Paul 2012! Here is link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA

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[nosferatu_dj]

this is from a book published in 2004

http://www.willthomas.net/Books_Videos/Chemtrails_Confirmed_Book_Extract.htm

From Chapter 14: CHEMTRAILS SCIENTISTS TALK A LANL scientist working on advanced experiments at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base told Columbus Alive that two separate secret “chemtrails” projects are being conducted by the air force. One centers on creating cloud cover to reduce global warming. The other project reflects radiation off artificial chemclouds in order to enhance the effectiveness of military radars and HAARP. The scientist also revealed that HAARP is used to guide low-pressure systems. These systems are often “picked up” over Canada, and guided south over the Midwestern United States. But Fitrakis told me that the weather modification “specialists” couldn’t accurately forecast the results of such extreme atmospheric meddling. The HAARP-shifted low-pressure systems can bring severe storms in their wake. As the Columbus, Ohio newspaper learned: …

CHEMTRAILS CONFIRMED 2004 edition
From Chapter 1: It was nearly noon when S.T. Brendt awoke and entered the kitchen of her country home in Parsonsfield, Maine. As she poured her first cup of coffee, the late night reporter for WMWV radio could not guess that her life was minutes away from drastic change. Her partner Lou Aubuchont was already up, puzzling over what he had seen in the sky a half hour before. The fat puffy plumes arching up over the horizon were unlike any contrail he had ever seen, even during his hitch in the Navy. Like breath exhaled on a winter day, the contrails he was used to seeing flare briefly in the stratosphere as hot moist engine exhaust flash-freezes into a stream of ice-crystals. These pencil-thin condensation trails are pretty to watch but short-lived, subliming into invisibility as exhaust gases cool quickly to the surrounding air temperature. But in late 1997 Aubuchont started observing thicker ‘trails extending from horizon to horizon. Hanging in the sky long after their creators had flown from view, these expanding white ribbons would be invariably interwoven by more thick lines left by unmarked jets, air force white or silver in color… What kind of clouds run exactly side-by-side in a straight line? he wondered. It’s just too perfect to happen naturally. When he said he wasn’t sure, S.T. stopped smiling and went outside. …A second jet was laying billowing white banners to the north. Both aircraft appeared to be over 30,000 ft. Turning her gaze due west, Brendt saw two more lines extending over the horizon. She called Lou. Within 45 minutes the couple counted 30 jets. This isn’t right, S.T. thought. We just don’t have that kind of air traffic here. While Lou kept counting, she went inside and started calling airports. One official she reached was guarded but friendly. He had relatives in West Pond. The Air Traffic Control manager told Brendt her sighting was “unusual”. His radars showed nine commercial jets during the same 45-minute span. From her location, he said, she should have been able to see one plane. And the other 29? The FAA official confided off the record that he had been ordered “by higher civil authority” to re-route inbound European airliners away from a “military exercise” in the area… Never in the dozen years they’d lived in rural Maine, had they seen so much aerial activity. As a former U.S. Navy intelligence courier, Aubuchont was used to large-scale military exercises. But he told S.T. he had never seen anything this big. “It looked like an invasion,” he later recounted. Another driver almost went off the road as he leaned over his dashboard trying to look up. As they passed, he acknowledged them with a nod. As far as they could see stretched line after line. Two giant grids were especially blatant. Instead of dissipating like normal contrails, these sky trails grew wider and wider and began to merge. Looking towards the sun, Aubuchont saw what looked like “an oil and water mixture” reflecting a prismatic band of colors. He couldn’t call it a rainbow. Rainbows aren’t sinister… Richard Dean called back. After receiving S.T.’s message, the assistant WMWV news director had gone outside with other news staff and counted 370 lines in skies usually devoid of aerial activity. Brendt put in another call to the FAA official. He had never heard of chemtrails. But similar military activities were ongoing in other regions. His radars showed the aircraft – which he identified as U.S. Air Force tankers – flying north into Canada.

From Chapter 1: -- “I’ve lived here for 26 years never seeing this number of contrails at once.” -- “They look like they’re playing tic-tac-toe up there. You know darn well it’s not passenger planes.” -- “I watched a clear blue sky become criss-crossed with the white trails from many jets. The sky then became overcast, in spite of the forecast calling for sunny weather. I felt stunned as I witnessed this event.” -- “I remember sitting on my porch and telling my husband that the trails from jets were different now days, they stayed longer in the sky and looked different. He laughed at me.” -- “One morning I saw so many I almost had a car accident. They were X’ing, probably 50, 100 of them, as far as I could see. Lots of X’s and parallel lines. Definitely not normal air traffic.” -- “These contrails do indeed behave differently from the usual contrails made by jets. They don’t dissipate right away. They like linger, hang there. But they were so heavily concentrated that I just about fell over.” -- “I am under the understanding that we have regular flight patterns. This however, broke all the rules, as these patterns criss-crossed one another over a dozen times.” -- “About the contrails in Montana. The first time I noticed the different types of contrails was about five years ago. I was in the Air Force. So I know the difference.” -- “I was southbound on Interstate 65 from Indianapolis toward Camp Atterbury. I had just heard of chemtrails on Coast to Coast earlier in the week and thought it was a bit of a kooky theory. I noticed the sky in front of me had 27 separate contrails. I then noticed a large jet at altitude, also southbound parallel to the highway, was not leaving any contrails…That was when I knew it is being done on purpose.” -- “Everywhere from horizon to horizon, as far as I could see above the trees and buildings, perfectly parallel streaks or stripes of clouds.” -- “I am a private pilot and have a penchant for watching everything that moves in the skies above me. On Thursday, beginning around mid-morning, high altitude jets began ‘painting’ the sky with non-dissipating contrails. I am familiar with the physics involved in the production of ‘normal’ contrails. The fact that these contrails do not dissipate leads me to suspect that something of a chemical nature was being emitted.” -- “I am a veteran of eight years active duty in the Navy and still serve in the reserves. I was a qualified lookout while stationed aboard ship and was trained to observe the sea and sky and identify targets. I am also an aviation buff and also interested in weather. I have therefore spent a lot of time flying and also observing the sky from the ground. I jog every morning at a park near my apartment in the DFW metroplex.” -- “I am a police officer and have been one for 15 years. I was driving to a doctor’s appointment in Beachwood, Ohio, a suburb of Cleveland. My attention was drawn to an unusually thick contrail traveling from the southeast to the northwest. I saw a large four-engine jet, silver in color. There was not a cloud in the sky and no other contrails. Unusual for Cleveland weather in February – basically a beautiful day. The plane was unusual because it was so big and lower than most jets that leave a contrail. Also it seemed to take a very long time to travel its path. I got a good look at it at a stoplight and from what I could make out it was silver and was reflecting the sunlight. It had four engines, two on each side and was making two large contrails that did not dissipate.” -- “On the morning of 10 March, 1999, as I looked to the sky I saw something I have never seen before. The sky was covered as far I could see with a criss-cross pattern of evenly spaced thick contrails. I counted at most three aircraft still spraying trails. This day had begun sunny with a brilliant blue sky just as forecast by weather channel and local forecasters, but they did not seem bothered by this unexpected ‘haze.’” -- “Our skies [in Australia] are being sprayed almost daily since April. Planes with red tanks underneath, spraying from 7 am till 8 pm at night. People getting sick everywhere, and no one gets answers. Why?” -- “I am under the understanding that we have regular flight patterns. This however, broke all the rules, as these patterns criss-crossed one another over a dozen times.”

From Chapter 1: CONTRAILS OR CHEMTRAILS? Contrails are formed when hot, moist engine exhausts momentarily condense stratospheric ice crystals into wispy trails, like breath exhaled on a cold day. But contrails are anything but harmless. Cloud cover has increased by 5% nationwide – and as much as 20% in some U.S. air corridors – since the jet age took off just three decades ago. If contrails are the culprit, “normal” jet contrails comprised mostly of “harmless” water vapor could in fact have already added during those 30 years of jet plane metastasis one-third to two-thirds as more warming than we would have gotten from pigging out on gas, coal and oil during the past century… Computer models show that using aircraft to lay down microscopic sunlight-scattering particles of very high reflectivity can make natural clouds even more sunlight-reflective. In clear blue skies, these same chemicals added to the fuel and sprayed through the exhaust of many jet engines can create “made-to-order” overcasts over entire regions for days and weeks at a time…The purpose of my five year investigation was to discover and document who was giving those orders. And why. TOO HOT FOR CONTRAILS? Contrails cannot form behind aircraft unless the atmosphere is very cold. As NASA explains, “Contrails only form at very high altitudes (usually above 8 km) where the air is extremely cold (less than -40°C / -70°F). NASA, NOAA and other scientific cloud-gazers also agree that a relative humidity of 70% or higher is necessary for cloud and contrail formation. If the air is very dry, contrails do not form behind airplanes,” states the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Taking NASA’s expertise as contrail catechism, chemtrail investigator Clifford Carnicom correlating atmospheric readings by NASA’s Climate Diagnostics Center of with 21 days of heavy “chemtrail” gridding over Santa Fe from Jan. 1999 to Aug. 1999. At altitudes where persistent white plumes criss-crossed the usually cloudless New Mexico sky. Carnicom found 30% humidity or less… CLOUD RECIPE … clouds form when water vapor accretes around particles of grit acting as attracting nuclei. Recent NOAA and NASA atmospheric studies such as TARFOX, ACE-Asia, ACE-I and II, INDOEX and Project SUCCESS have confirmed that the only way to form artificial clouds under conditions of low humidity and less than ideal temperatures is by dispensing additional particles from aircraft… The smaller the size of each additional nuclei, the greater the rate of cirrus cloud formation. ROUTINE OPERATIONS North American officials insist that nothing unusual is going on – that precisely spaced grid patterns and perfectly intersected X’s are “normal flight operations”. But when confronted with their own data showing the impossibility of normal contrail formation during heavy “spray days” they grow silent. Meanwhile, a growing number of pilots, police officers, former military personnel, air traffic controllers and thousands of other observers report that they have never seen so many jet trails at once - often at altitudes below which commercial jetliners are simultaneously seen leaving no contrails at all. As this eyewitness explains: Sunday between the hours of 12:30 and 1:30 in Mesa, AZ while standing outside Borders bookstore at Alma School Road and Southern conversing in the parking lot, I looked up and saw broad low hanging contrails running at angles mainly east-west across the sky and spreading apart north and south. High above were normal contrails coming from commercial flights, which dissipated within minutes behind the aircraft. I counted five or six low broad contrails slowly spreading out but not dissipating like the ones high above. Being involved with science it was very strange that these were above and not below the contrail. Aviation authorities have also failed to explain the sudden appearance of formations of grid-weaving jets over communities unused to seeing any air traffic at all. Why are so many people who have lived near airbases and airports for most of their lives - and who would not normally give a contrail a second glance - stopping their cars or hauling family members and neighbors outside their homes to point cameras and camcorders at unprecedented concentrations of jet spoor they instinctively recognize are not normal contrails?

From Chapter 6: A METEOROLOGIST QUESTIONS CHEMTRAILS CONTENTIONS David Jones, a well-known Meteorologist for Environment Canada, wrote to me from Vancouver TV with questions for those suffering chemtrail hallucinations: How much time do you spend watching the sky? Have you logged your observations? Have you studied patterns of wind and moisture in the upper atmosphere and linked them to formation or persistence of contrails? Why are trained weather observers who take observations of the sky condition 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and who are intimately familiar with the multitude of natural cloud formations (and contrails), not reporting these so-called weird and unnatural clouds and contrails? If you think someone is trying to poison us then why would they be so dumb as to attempt it from the level of the jetstream? You would waste a lot of poison dropping it from so high in the sky. Do farmers spray their fields from 25,000 feet? Do I sound cynical? BEWARE AMATEUR INTERPRETATIONS OF SATELLITE PHOTOS “ The track of large ships is sometimes visualized by a trail of shallow stratus clouds. These clouds, known as 'ship tracks', form in the wake of ships and are remarkably long-lived. They typically are between 0.5 - 5 km wide – that is, wide enough to be seen in visible satellite imagery. Ship tracks are due to cloud condensation nuclei in the ship's exhaust The nature and climatic effect of ship tracks was investigated in a field campaign labeled MAST conducted during June 1994 off the central California coast.” – Effects of contrails and ship tracks on climate by B. Geerts and E. Linacre Feb. 2002

from Chapter 6: NOAA RESPONDS All chemtrail questions to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration are directed to Jana Goldman who told reporters that she “can’t comment” on chemtrails… USAF CALLS CHEMTRAILS, A “HOAX” A Nov. 2001 public information paper released by the USAF calls chemtrails a “hoax” perpetrated by people confused over contrails. “The ‘Chemtrail’ hoax has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications,” the statement claims.

from Chapter 7: SPACE PRESERVATION ACT OF 2001 107th CONGRESS 1st Session HR 2977 To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES October 2, 2001 (III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person. (B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as-- (i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons; (ii) chemtrails; (iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems; (iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons; (v) laser weapons systems; (vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and (vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

From Chapter 10: WELSBACH SEEDING Environmental consultant Mike Castle discovered the primary purpose behind chemtrails when he came across a practical patent for “Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming”. Filed by aerospace giant, Hughes aircraft company in 1991, the patent points out that in addition to reflecting incoming sunlight, Welsbach materials are oxides of metals capable of converting heat trapped by greenhouse gases near the Earth’s surface into far-infrared wavelengths, which then radiate into space. Cautioning that the resulting white skies may be unpopular, the Hughes patent nevertheless suggests that these very tiny metal flakes could be “added to the fuel of jet airliners, so that the particles would be emitted from the jet engine exhaust while the airliner was at its cruising altitude.” EDMONTON’S EVIDENCE Dave Dickie’s World Landscapes company performs contract landscape work for the City of Edmonton. “Some contracts require us to utilize the services of environmental labs for soil tests,” says Dickie. “Recent soils analysis have come back with a high EC rating 4-7 (toxic) and we’ve had some soil sources rejected of course because they did not meet specifications.” In an interview with me on Nov. 23, 2002, Dickie explained that his city landscape crews were finding widespread nutrient deficiency in soils could cause severe problems for plant life – including trees… City specifications call for a reading no higher than 1. Dickie’s crews are now finding readings from 4.6 as high as 7… Presuming that unusual metal content in the soil could be causing the high readings, Dickie obtained samples of a fresh snowfall in sterile containers and took them to NorWest Labs in Edmonton. As he explained, “Our most recent snowfall was tested for aluminum and barium and we were not surprised with the results. You’ve said it all along and this just substantiates some of your claims.” In Nov. 2002, lab tests of snow samples collected by the city of Edmonton, Alberta between Nov. 8 - 12, confirmed elevated levels of aluminum and barium. Norwest Labs lab report #336566 dated Nov. 14. 2002 found: q aluminum levels: 0.148 milligrams/litre q barium levels: 0.006 milligrams/litre … Though it must be emphasized that neither Dickie nor NorWest labs are making any claims regarding these early test results, the correlation of known chemtrail chemistry with Edmonton’s soil samples is compelling. This was hot. But imagine my shock when Dickie told me that he regularly visits Air Traffic Control at the Edmonton municipal airport and watches the chemplanes making repeated passes over the city! …Blessed with good friends at work in the tower, he has watched radar-identified KC-135s “on many occasions.” Last Father’s Day (2002), Dickie and an excited group of 12 year-olds watched two sorties by two KC-135s. Petro 011 and Petro 012 were tracked by radar as HA (High Altitude) targets flying at 34,000 and 36,000 feet – “one to the south, and one to the north of the city.” Both USAF tankers had flown south out of Alaska. As Dickie, the kids and the controllers watched, the big jets began making patterns over Edmonton – “circuits” the controllers called it. The Stratotankers were working alone in “commanded airspace” from which all other aircraft were excluded. And they were leaving chemtrails. “The signature is significant,” commented one radar operator, referring to a trail clearly visible on the scope extending for miles behind the KC-135. In contrast, a JAL flight on the display left no contrail. Going outside, Dickie and several controllers scanned clear blue skies. They easily located the KC-135 leaving its characteristic white-plume “signature”. Visibility was outstanding. They also clearly saw the JAL airliner at a similar flight level. It left no contrail at all… “We see these guys up here a lot,” Dickie says radar techs told him. The tanker flights originate in Alaska, grid the Edmonton area, and continue on into the States… There was no doubt about the particulates left behind the tankers. On radar, these reflective particles showed up as “birdie feet” – triangles in the radar-tracked plume. They also appeared “as a concentration of dots” in the radar-visible ‘trail. Focusing in and out on each plane with the click of cursor, “we could see different contrails,” Dickie added. Some were short, and quickly vanished from the scopes. Other trails were thick, long and lingering – not contrails at all. SOME AREAS REPORTING CHEMTRAIL ACTIVITY Albuquerque, Amsterdam (Netherlands), Asheville, Aspen, Athens (Greece), Atlanta, Austin, Baltimore, Barcelona (Spain), Birmingham (England), Bakersfield, Bangor, Belgium, Boise, Bozeman, Brooklyn, Buffalo, Buford, Byron Bay (Australia), Calgary (Canada), Canberra (Australia), Charlotte, Cheyenne, Chicago, Cincinnati, Clayton, Cleveland, Columbus, Dallas, Denver, Espanola (Canada), Falmouth (UK), Fargo, Flagstaff, Flint, Galesburg, Glasgow (Scotland), Gresham, Harrison, Heemskerk (Holland), Henån (Sweden), Houston, Hundred Mile House (Canada), Huntsville, Isle of Man (UK), Istanbul (Turkey) Jonesboro, Kansas City, Karoo (South Africa), Knoxville, Lancaster (UK), Lansing, Las Vegas, Lexington, Little Rock, London, Los Angeles, Mallorca (Spain), Mannheim (Germany), Memphis, Miami, Moab, Moose Jaw (Canada), Naples (Italy), Nashville, Nelson (Canada), Oakville, Omaha, Orust (Croatia), Parhump, Paris (France), Penticton (Canada), Peoria, Philadelphia, Pingelly (Australia), Phoenix, Pittsburgh, Portland, Quirindi (Australia), Reno, Rijeka (Croatia), Richmond, Rockford, Sacramento, Salem, Sallisaw, Salt Lake, San Antonio, San Francisco, Santa Fe, Sarasota, Seattle, Scotland (UK), Sonora, South Wales (UK), Spokane, Springfield, Stuttgart (Germany), Switzerland, Tampa, Times Square, Toronto (Canada), Tucson, Valdez, Vancouver (Canada), Venice (Italy), Versailles (France), Victoria (Canada), Walnut Creek, Waukesha, Wilmette, Wuerzburg (Germany).

[nosferatu_dj]

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/5136/CHEMTRAILS__Mystery_Lines_In_The_Sky_Pt_1_3/

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/5137/CHEMTRAILS__Mystery_Lines_In_The_Sky_Pt_2_3/

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/5138/CHEMTRAILS__Mystery_Lines_In_The_Sky_Pt_3_3/

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1332178607299698024#

Chem Trails : What is wrong with our skies?

55:02 - 5 years ago
If you believed that aircraft, with secret government approval, had been spraying us with noxious chemicals developed in U.S. military biological warfare laboratories, would you be paranoid? Or if you saw distinct plumes or "Chem Trails" left behind by the aircraft which did this spraying, yet were told by Transport Canada that no such spraying was taking place, would you be delusional? .or a conspiracy theory lunatic? You'd be quite rational according to William Thomas, who has studied the Chem Trails phenomenon. Thomas is an award-winning journalist and author of a book about "Gulf War Syndrome", the strange cluster of illnesses linked to a deterioration in the auto-immune system suffered by troops who received anthrax immunization before being deployed in the first Gulf War in the early 1990s. Today he argues, the same illnesses are showing up in North America caused by Chem Trails. Message tuniced Yet Transport Canada and the mainstream media won't acknowledge Chem Trails exist. Other Search word: Conspiracy If you believed that aircraft, with secret government approval, had been spraying us with noxious chemicals developed in U.S. military biological warfare laboratories, would you be paranoid? Or if you saw distinct plumes or "Chem Trails" left behind by the aircraft which did this spraying, yet were told by Transport Canada that no such spraying was taking place, would you be delusional? .or a conspiracy theory lunatic? You'd be quite rational according to William Thomas, who has studied the Chem Trails phenomenon. Thomas is an award-winning journalist and author of a book about "Gulf War Syndrome", the strange cluster of illnesses linked to a deterioration in the auto-immune system suffered by troops who received anthrax immunization before being deployed in the first Gulf War in the early 1990s. Today he argues, the same illnesses are showing up in North America caused by Chem Trails. Message tuniced Yet Transport Canada and the mainstream media won't acknowledge Chem Trails exist

[wakantanka]

Hi,
look up again! We have them now also in Namibia. reportedly over Walvisbay/ Swakopmund and Windhoek!

[pinealgland]

My 2 cents... (http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=164167)

[naju89]

Well they have been spraying like crazy over Berkshire today....:(

[rynath]

Doesn't happen often:

Original Story:
http://www.wten.com/global/story.asp?s=14547467

5-2-11 News 10 Special Report: Secrets in the Sky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0PA3jsVo4o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0PA3jsVo4o

[listener]

When the days are no longer this way

And the skies are clear of the trails they lay

After the invasion of the faked alien displays

We will look to each other for the love we’ll raise


And it will ease the shock and awe of what’s gone on

For we the human race will be free and undone

Of the constraints of having no voice for far too long

We shall stand united The Sheeple all gone


Life will be free , we will roam and view and breathe

Sighs of relief replace angst and seethe

Their putrid poisons no longer taking us out , now we are free

One by one we all knew a patient of the big C.


Look north now people relay the good news

For the jets that sprayed their checker boards in the skies

Are layed up in grave yards never to shower us with their spews

Stand up heads up be proud we took the path to uprise.

[listener]

Aircraft Mechanic Discusses Chemtrail Spray Equipment Aboard Commercial Aircraft.

From Anonymous

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/chemspewermechanics17apr05.shtml

April 17, 2005

Excerpted from http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails_2.htm

I received the following email on the 18th of April as it was forwarded to me from someone who may have answered several questions I have had about the incorporation of the civilian air fleet into a portion of this atmospheric project.

My questions have been: The weight and volume of the chemical mixture delivered while in flight including the delivery mechanism? How much of a financial burden is it to carry this extra weight aloft with each flight? How is the plumbing kept 'hidden' from the many mechanics. Who does and how are the tanks refilled? Read on:

Did An Airline Mechanic Stumble Upon The Truth?

SIPL | April 17 2005

For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity.

I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some information that I think you will find important. First, I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have dedicated yourself.

Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are considered at the top of the "pecking order".

Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems.

No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used to store the waste from the lavatories. But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems.

The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems.

Fact is, I had never even thought much about this situation until last month. Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one of our mechanics will take care of it.

Likewise, if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.

One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in and fix the problem.

When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the waste disposal system had been changed. It had been about 10 years since I had worked on this particular model of aircraft.

As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system, at all. I had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on this particular type of plane, and I happily turned the job over to him.

As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to "worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his end!"

The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what that equipment did.

The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane.

Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment! I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind.

I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.

The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system.

When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste drain.

I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers.

If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight.

I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through the fake wicks.

It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I had not been authorized any overtime.

The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.

About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for turning in false paperwork.

He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was ridiculous and that I had done this work.

The union rep spoke up at this point and recommended that we take a look at the plane to see if we could straighten it all out. I then asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were airline safety inspectors but would not give me their names.

We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay and went back into the racks.

The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor with the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.

I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is, I'm feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon." CLICK.

Again, I had to pick myself from off the floor. As my mind raced, it was at this moment that I made the connection that what had happened to me must have been directly connected to my tracing the "mysterious" piping.

The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my past excellent employment record that the suspension had been reduced to one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only thing I could think of was "what are they trying to hide" and "who are 'THEY'"!

That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some answers.

I don't remember now how I got there but I came across a site that talked about chemically-laced contrails.

That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."

Well that's it. Now I know 'THEY' are watching me.

While I don't know what THEY are spraying, I can tell you how they are doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are the trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks.

The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While these guys are emptying the waste tanks, it makes sense that they could easily be filling the tanks of the spray system.

They know the planes flight path so they probably program the control unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so small that no one in the plane would see a thing.

God help us all.

-- A concerned citizen

[robbiew]

HAARP's magnetometers are showing huge levels of activity, the most since March 11/12 in Japan.

Visit: http://137.229.36.30/cgi-bin/magnetometer/gak-mag.cgi

Once the page has loaded, change the Plot Width to 3 days, and the the Plot Scale to 100-nT (nanoTeslas).

To compare this with the HAARP activity around the time of Fukushima, visit the above page, and change the End Date to 20110313.

You can read more about how to read these HAARP graphs and at: http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=167820
(http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=167820)

There has been another earthquake (Magnitude 4.6) off of the NE coast of Japan today, and other of a similar magnitude in the Syria / Iraq / Turkey border - see: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php.

No data is available from the other magnetometers. The reason why is unknown.

[white zombie]

Todays massive web of cloud seeding chemtrails off cali. to counter a cyclone. 100% visible and worthy of 2 min of anyones time.

6/21/2011 -- chemtrails caught on Satellite feed -- stopping a cyclone - YouTube

[deckard75]

If that's a real extract of a weather broadcast not a home made set up then that's one of the best little clips I've seen. You can watch film clips of planes & skies, you can see it with your own eyes in the sky. This vid shows a third view, the big picture. I've been up some good hills over looking cities in the UK while trailing has been going on, you get a pretty good idea of things from that kind of vantage point. I'd love to see trailing being carried out while in a plane above the military planes. No chance, but it would be cool. The consequences of trailing probably aren't cool but the science of it is. We're all doomed I tell thee! Bring on the fun.

[belch]

Todays massive web of cloud seeding chemtrails off cali. to counter a cyclone. 100% visible and worthy of 2 min of anyones time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJH6N7bL6g4

If you dont mind im gona add that link to a different thread on the subject.

Thx.

[deckard75]

Aircraft Mechanic Discusses Chemtrail Spray Equipment Aboard Commercial Aircraft.

From Anonymous

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/chemspewermechanics17apr05.shtml

April 17, 2005

Excerpted from http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails_2.htm

I received the following email on the 18th of April as it was forwarded to me from someone who may have answered several questions I have had about the incorporation of the civilian air fleet into a portion of this atmospheric project.....

-- A concerned citizen


Thank You Listener

[deckard75]

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/5136/CHEMTRAILS__Mystery_Lines_In_The_Sky_Pt_1_3/

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/5137/CHEMTRAILS__Mystery_Lines_In_The_Sky_Pt_2_3/

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/5138/CHEMTRAILS__Mystery_Lines_In_The_Sky_Pt_3_3/

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1332178607299698024#

Chem Trails : What is wrong with our skies?






Always love your chemtrail vids Nosferatu dj, thanks :)

[tzlr_17]

The consequences of trailing probably aren't cool but the science of it is. We're all doomed I tell thee! Bring on the fun.

Bring on the fun? :(

[dolamite]

They are doing all these bad things to planet earth, such as chemtrails, earthquakes, etc...because they are doing what scripture told them. Give the prostitute a double dose from her own cup. Planet earth (Gaia) is being destroyed because God wants this planet clean for when his son "jesus" the lamb returns to marry his bride (Gaia). When he returns, earth will be clean of sin and harm, and "jesus" will claim his kingdom. He will not claim his kingdom until it is destroyed and cleansed.

[beldazar]

They are doing all these bad things to planet earth, such as chemtrails, earthquakes, etc...because they are doing what scripture told them. Give the prostitute a double dose from her own cup. Planet earth (Gaia) is being destroyed because God wants this planet clean for when his son "jesus" the lamb returns to marry his bride (Gaia). When he returns, earth will be clean of sin and harm, and "jesus" will claim his kingdom. He will not claim his kingdom until it is destroyed and cleansed.

Clean of sin and harm? I think they are doing it wrong. :D

[shakey1]

Out on a walkabout La Mesa, CA today (near San Diego). Loads of chemtrail planes out today (if you believe that claim that these are chemtrails, not contrails [not looking for an argument, mate]).

https://mail.google.com/mail/ca/?ui=2&ik=2fe1422776&view=att&th=1352c8f337f97272&attid=0.1&disp=thd&zw
https://mail.google.com/mail/ca/?ui=2&ik=2fe1422776&view=att&th=1352c8f337f97272&attid=0.3&disp=thd&zw
https://mail.google.com/mail/ca/?ui=2&ik=2fe1422776&view=att&th=1352c8f337f97272&attid=0.2&disp=thd&zw
https://mail.google.com/mail/ca/?ui=2&ik=2fe1422776&view=att&th=1352c8f337f97272&attid=0.4&disp=thd&zw

[thecatsmeow]

All day today they've been spraying and still at it! It's very depressing :(

[missd]

Possible chemtrails today in Newtownabbey, Co Antrim,Northern Ireland??? Could be contrails but the 2 aircraft were flying almost at the same time. What do you think?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63300104@N08/6811460675/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63300104@N08/6811462043/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63300104@N08/6811465829/

[thecatsmeow]

They carried on spraying all night and all morning this morning. I spotted lot's of sky-worm's cleaning up the mess though :)

[thecatsmeow]

Chemtrails And Depopulation - An Insider Speaks Out

http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000003011/images/chem_dees.jpg
So you haven't yet figured out the airborne conditioning-agent release program that is being operated by the government. I'll give you some hints, but first I'll give you a little information about myself. I'm a retired government scientist with an advanced degree in one of the health-related disciplines. I do not use my real name for fear of retaliation, either against me, or against members of my family. I always try to route my e-mail communications so that they appear to come from another source, usually from one somewhere within the government. Sometimes I use the internet resources of the public library - whatever it takes to hide my true identity and confuse those who don't want the sort of information I possess to fall into the public's hands.

I have a small circle of friends who are, or were, in key positions within our military and several government agencies. These are not the very top level personnel, but mid to upper mid-level people, scientists and analysts, who are in positions where they can see the day-to-day activities of what's going on, who are charged with implementing the details, but who are never quite privy to the schemes behind the work they do. Each of my contacts has been able to supply me with a portion of the puzzle, but separately, none of them understands the whole story. I'll tell you what I've pieced together so far. But I have to admit that this information frightens me because there is no place I can go with it. What am I supposed to do - write my congressman? I believe that would be like signing my own death warrant.

This whole chemtrail issue is related to the plan for decreasing the world population to around 450-500 million -- and starting with the US first. Why? The people of the US are the only ones with even the remotest chance of stopping this. That is, if they knew about it. That's why the US has to be the first to go. You have to understand that the world's elite covet the US for its geographic diversity - and they would love to return this country to its condition as it existed prior to Columbus setting foot here, but without the Native Americans this time of course.

You may have already heard how several national parks have been designated as world biospheres - that's the plan for all of North America, a giant nature park and playground that will be devoid of annoying human beings (that would be us). And the people actually involved in doing the spraying, as well as those who will take part in the rest of the plans, are being duped into believing they will be spared, that is, permitted to live and remain on this continent as administrators and caretakers of this vast nature preserve. I understand that about 150 to 200 thousand people are projected as necessary for maintenance purposes. But it's likely these people will not be Americans. Those in charge wouldn't want to risk the possibility of some sort of revolt, so the workers will probably be brought in from Europe and Asia.

There are rumors floating about the internet that the chemtrails are part of some sort of secret program the government is doing to protect the US from future biological attacks. Nothing could be further from the truth. The plan is to sensitize, or condition, the US population to being wiped out by influenza A. Over the past few years, people have been encouraged to get flu shots to protect them against the generally non-lethal strains that circulate through the population during flu season.
http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000003011/images/fluviruslab.jpg (http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000003011/images/fluviruslab.jpg)

Each year the US government has guessed which strains were most likely to spread. They seem to always guess right - don't they? This flu season, the government protected people with a trivalent vaccine that included the A/Beijing/262/95-like (H1N1) and the A/Sydney/5/97-like (H3N2). It also contained the B/Beijing/184/93-like hemagglutinin antigens. For those not familiar with virology, the H and N refer to proteins on the outside of the virus, the hemagglutinin and neuraminidase, which are responsible for the virus attaching to, and then invading, a host cell. The public has been quite pleased with the success of the vaccines offered so far. But that will change in the future.

Researchers at the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (or USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick in Frederick MD have reconstructed and modified the H1N1 Spanish Flu virus, making it far more deadly than it ever was back when it was responsible for the 1918-1919 flu pandemic that killed over 20 million worldwide and over 500,000 here in the US. Consider that it could have killed many more, but back then, people couldn't hop on a jet and travel from New York to L.A. in five hours. Now, our ability to travel will increase the spread and will be our downfall.

The flu vaccines contain killed virus and protect the body well against challenge by that particular strain, but work poorly against other strains not included in the inoculation. At some point, the vaccine stockpile will include the more lethal modification of the 1918 H1N1 in its live form. Most people receiving this vaccine will simply be renewing their annual flu shot, and the vaccine will still include the inactivated version of the more benign form of H1N1 (as was included in this year's vaccine). The presence of the milder strain in the inoculum will slow down the progression of the more lethal H1N1 form, so people will become sick more slowly - but they will still eventually die. It will just take a few weeks longer.

In the meantime, they will be carriers for the lethal form of the virus, passing it on to everyone with whom they make contact. And as people hear that others are dropping dead from the flu, they will flock to get their own vaccination. And the entire population will be more receptive to infection because their lungs will have been pre-conditioned to guarantee it.

If you will remember back to 1968 and '69, the Hong Kong flu, which was influenza A type H3N2, killed over 30,000 people in the U.S. alone. That was a fortuitous learning event for some because it taught them that the flu could still conceivably be used to wipe out a population. But at the same time, it pointed out the need to precondition the populace so that those who might normally be resistant could be rendered susceptible. Hence the development of the vaccine program and the aerial spraying procedures to condition the population. The purpose of the chemicals in the chemtrails is to help the viral envelope fuse with lung cells, permitting easier penetration and infection.

But what about those few individuals who don't succumb to the flu? Probability alone demands that there will be some who survive - pockets of the population that are either not reached or somehow (and this is less likely) are resistant to the lethal H1N1 strain. At this point you must also remember that our military personnel have been immunized against a variety of pathogens, including the anthrax bacillus.

For those geographically isolated areas where the flu doesn't do its job, it's a fairly simple matter to lay down anthrax spores and then send in what's left of the military to take care of anyone still breathing. The anthrax spraying will probably come under the guise of a flu protection program to save those still alive after the epidemic. And the military, having been exposed to civilians with the flu, will eagerly await their own flu shots. I should emphasize that this is a last resort scenario. Those orchestrating the plan will not want to use anthrax until all other possibilities are exhausted - this because of the long-term viability of anthrax spores. To scatter them over the countryside would mean the area would be dangerous for use by humans, at least those not vaccinated against the bacteria.

And think about this for a moment. Why do you suppose agencies like Fish and Wildlife are so eager to reintroduce wolves and other species into areas of the country which haven't seen these animals for generations. It's all part of the plan to restore this land to what the elite envision as its early paradise-like state, with wild animals freely roaming the uninhabited plains and forests. Granted, it will take some time to clean up the place and to maybe destroy a lot of small towns that might otherwise be considered a blight on the landscape. But for the global elite it will be a small price for us to pay for their enjoyment. Source (http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/themagazine/vol10/chem/chemtrailinsider.shtml) __________________

[tyler]

'ere, have a butchers at this......

Des Brittain talks abaat Chemtrails - YouTube

[thecatsmeow]

'ere, have a butchers at this......

Des Brittain talks abaat Chemtrails - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ2njc7G20g)

Wow! What a character he is! We've got a few of them up 'ere too! LOL! :D
very likeable feller in't 'e! :)

[svarga]

I am convinced that I have found an description of Ionosphere Heating or HAARP in the Sanskrit text The Rig Veda.

I am very aware that I am making radical leaps here by interpreting the verses in Rig Veda Mandala III.45 as weather modification-control and ionospheric heating—as in HAARP. Reading and copying out the various definitions of the individual Sanskrit words, I kept arriving at the same conclusions. The words simply ‘arranged’ themselves for me on the page. I do not feel that this takes away from the sacred metaphysical truth in the Sanskrit texts. On the contrary, this only enhances our understanding of how great the Rishis were.

I don’t expect a Sanskrit scholar to agree with me, although more and more the Vedic texts are coming to be regarded as scientific repositories. I currently have six books written by Indian scholars which offer evidence and conclude that Vedic verses in these ancient texts often point to quantum physics, string theory, astronomy, and other fields of science.

I am not a scientist, quantum physicist, or a Sanskrit scholar. I admit that I have only been studying Sanskrit for 3+ years now and I am far from any mastery of the subtleties of Sanskrit grammar. However, my mother was the 7th child of the 7th child — and I am a bit of a visionary. In 1989 I experienced a six-month period of detailed visions revealing that this planet was colonized by a family group of extraterrestrials.

I personally have seen over 30 UFOs. One very close in broad daylight on Mt. Shasta 1975; and in another experience in with two friends, we watched a battalion of ships enter ‘fly into’ the top of Mount Rainier. These ships are inter-dimensional, which means that they exist in a different waveform frequency that we do, but can cross into ‘appear’ in our dimension.

The Sanskrit theory of the Cycles of Time explains all this neatly. We earth bound humans are currently trapped in the time frequency specific to the Kali Yuga, which limits us to our five senses. Five-sense reality consists of signals transmitted to and interpreted by the brain, and is only the surface of external appearances — a small portion of existence. Any great master will tell you that you can never hope to understand the totality of Creation and God as the Oneness through the five senses.

In the previous cycles of time our perceptions are not limited to the five senses. We have other means such as telepathy, far sight, and could see and access the Myriad Worlds, the other dimensional realms. Mythology is our collective memory of this. It is only in the Kali Yuga that we are limited to five-sense reality and writing becomes necessary. In fact writing is a ‘symptom’ - like an illness - of the Kali Yuga.

Scholars disagree about the meaning of the Sanskrit words in the Rig Veda. The Sanskrit of this ancient text is very different than other later texts such as the Upanishads or the even later Puranas.

“The language of the Rig Veda is archaic and contains such grammatical devices and linguistic forms which are beyond the reach of the common mind…Among the devices are mystic illusions, configurations of similar sounds and words, metaphors, incongruous grammatical formations, un-sequential syntactical relations and Word-Economy; and these create a sort of sacred quiz, which taxes the ingenuity of even the most learned one…There is considerable disagreement among the interpreters of the Rig Veda, particularly in the interpretation of individual words.” (The Rigveda, Mandala III, Shukla & Shukla).

The chronological order of the Sanskrit texts is assumed by an analysis of the Sanskrit itself, which like any language changed over the centuries. In this manner the Mandalas (sections) in the Rig Veda have been given an order. The three earliest Mandalas are VI, III & VII. (The Rigveda, A Historical Analysis’ S.G. Talageri).

Vishvamitra, a highly revered and most interesting Rishi seer composed one of these early sections, Mandala III. In Rig Veda III.33 Vishvamitra commands a river to change it’s flow and allow him to cross:

“Vishvamitra speaks: Rivers, charged with water, rest a moment from your course at my request… The rivers speak: Hymner, we hear your words, that you have come afar … we bow down before you…” (This is not my translation. RGVEDA SAMHITA, Vol. II, Translation of H.H. Wilson).

Vishvamitra was conceivably an adept in sound and the science of ‘moving water’, which is the main intent of weather modification. Life on earth cannot exist without water. The primary authority in this science is Indra, whose name can be defined as ‘the conqueror of the atmosphere and sky.’ As conqueror of the atmosphere, Indra would have mastery over the layers that make up earth’s atmosphere: the troposphere, stratosphere, mesosphere, thermosphere, and ionosphere. It is the manipulation of the ionosphere that is the heart of HAARP:

“HAARP is a scientific endeavor aimed at studying the properties and behavior of the ionosphere, with particular emphasis on being able to understand and use it to enhance communications and surveillance systems for both civilian and defense purposes.”

I am suggesting that in the previous cycles of time, these technologies were known to the scientists of the ancient world and India. Atlantis was reputed to use advanced techniques of weather modification. It is only very recently that we would even be able to apply an understanding of Ionospheric Heating to these Sanskrit words.

Indra is not an individual but a station, a title. Indra must be the title of the topmost commander scientist. In Hinduism, Indra is known as ‘the god of rain’ and said to ‘push up the sky’ — which HAARP also does when it heats up the ionosphere — releasing dawn (Ushas) from the Vala cave, and defeating the demon Vritra who was ‘holding’ the waters of the world thereby releases the waters necessary for human life, agriculture, etc.

These Indras, the great ones, commanding leaders, adepts, the Rishis, Seers (who could ‘see’ beyond limited five-sense reality), perhaps as head astronauts and scientists, would have complete knowledge and mastery over the metaphysical principles of the universe — which are the eternal subtle structures underlying the principles of 3D physics.

Consider also the fact that the Indus Valley or Harrapan civilization, which was contemporary with Mesopotamia and Egypt, is now thought to have disappeared because the Saraswati River dried up due to a cataclysmic earth event.

A similar case of a ‘rainmaker’ is found in the Mesopotamian cylinder seals. The Sumerian deity Enki is depicted ‘releasing the waters.’ I also understand water as a metaphor for consciousness — everything is consciousness. However, this does not preclude water from being water.

I believe that the ancient astronaut/Rishis have returned, are here, and have already given a few humans these ancient technologies, the conclusive evidence for which I find hidden in these verses in Rig Veda Mandala III.45.

It is absurd to insist that planet Earth and the beings here are the sole life form manifestations of the Infinite Eternal Oneness in a universe with millions, perhaps hundreds of billions of galaxies.

My translation/interpretation of these verses may be far from perfect, but I feel there is enough evidence here to suggest that Mandala III.45 is a description of Inonospheric Heating and weather modification as it was practiced by the ancient world.

Translation/interpretation here:

http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/rigveda2012/rigvedaIII-45.htm

Translation with Sanskrit word definitions:

http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/rigveda2012/rigvedaIII-45definitions.htm

[indolering]

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Good article, thecatsmeow.

They generally don't spray too much here in the greater Denver area, but today they were all over the place. Frustrating as hell just watching them fill the air with poisons and we can't seem to stop them....

[svarga]

dutchsinse links to a
Stanford Un. paper on HAARP
'A more effective method of steerable ELF/VLF ...'

http://www-star.stanford.edu/~vlf/publications/2008-03.pdf

[indolering]

Interesting stuff, svarga.

Thanks for the info and the links.:cool:

[svarga]

Thank you, indolering.
I was shocked to find Ionospheric Heating/HAARP in the Rig Veda.

I was NOT looking for anything like this. No one makes the arduous effort to teach themselves Sanskrit to read about HAARP! Sanskrit is very difficult. I had found that the English translations of my favorite texts, the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads were are filtered through the bias of the translators. So I decided to teach myself Sanskrit and get to the heart of the meaning for myself.

I had always been enormously curious about the Rig Veda, which is said to be 'the source' of all Sanskrit metaphysics and Hinduism. No one knows how old it is. There are many scholarly speculations, but no one actually knows. I knew Wendy Doniger's translation was absurd - you cannot develop such deeply elegant metaphysical knowledge out of mere ritual and sacrificial deities.

The first verses I translated in the Rig Veda emerged more as quantum physics. I had some justification for this in 6 books which are written by Indian scholars that connect in no uncertain terms the Vedic texts with quantum thinking. These ideas are very similar the what David is teaching. The concept of the Matrix is absolutely a basic premise in Hinduism - Prakriti's gunas and the concept of Maya. In Kashmir Shaivism, there is the teaching concerning MATRIKA:

"The Theory of Letters that Expand the Universe & Quantum Reality:
It is said that enlightenment will dawn on those who understand the mechanics of the Matrikacakra. Therefore we may be motivated to study elemental powers and their correlations to the Sanskrit letters, which produce the splendid sacred waveforms that create our universe.
Matrikacakra theory precisely explains how the Sanskrit alphabet as root-vibration brings about the expansion of the entire universe, the temporal illusory hologram. Matrika is the hidden mother - the creative energy that generates the external world from subtle to gross. She is ‘hidden’ because she remains unknown to us when we are lost in our desires, forgetting who we are.
“Matrika Shakti is the power of sound that is the matrix of the cosmos, and manifests as the letters of the alphabet. Matrika is the subtle force behind thought and speech. [Chetanananda].”

http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/shivasutras/sutra002-07.htm

However I was soon amazed to find that Rig Veda Mandala III.44.5 read as a description of what I termed 'fuel that powers circular aerial ships'! This was weird enough, but most of us are aware that the Sanskrit texts, The Mahabharata and the Puranas are filled with descriptions of 'flying chariots' VIMANAS and what can only be terrifyingly powerful radiation weapons.

http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/rigveda2012/rigveda011.htm

But the verse describing HAARP really astounded me and I decided to come here to David's Forum, because I was sure that there were people who would understand the implications. To my mind this makes it dead certain that we are living in a "fallen" state of consciousness and that we or at least some of us were much more evolved and technologically advanced in the silent remote past.

I believe that it is also clear that this technology for weather modification was used by many ancient civilizations. Think of Moses crossing the Red Sea, and certainly Enki in the cuneiform tablets is depicted bring down the waters. Image here:

http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/rigveda2012/rigvedaIII-45reflections.htm

This technology has returned with HAARP - and whoever is the master creator of this ionospheric heating is here and has entrenched itself in our governments worldwide, as is evidenced by the extensive and bewildering use of HAARP and all its effects - which no one appears to want to share with those of us who are paying for it and yet are kept in the dark.

[indolering]

Amazing concepts, svarga. This is deep:

“Matrika Shakti is the power of sound that is the matrix of the cosmos, and manifests as the letters of the alphabet. Matrika is the subtle force behind thought and speech. [Chetanananda].”


You really taught yourself Sanskrit to read the Vedas? That is totally far out, man. Would that I had the drive and persistence to undertake such a program.

Thanks for your contribution.:cool:

[svarga]

Amazing concepts, svarga. This is deep: You really taught yourself Sanskrit to read the Vedas? :
Yes.
I'm 67 ... and what a long strange trip it's been.

The Matrika theory is in these two books:
Abhinavagupta: A Trident of Wisdom, Translation of Paratrisika Vivarana by Jaideva Singh; State University of New York Press, 1988

Abhinavagupta: Paratrisika-Vivarana, The Secret of Tantric Mysticism; English Translation with notes and running exposition by Jaideva Singh; Sanskrit text corrected, notes on technical points and charts dictated by Swami Lakshmanjee (Laskhmanjoo); Motilal Banarsidass Publishers, Delhi, 2000

Abhinavagupta was an enlightened genius. In India even scholars consider him to be India's greatest mind. Here's a bit about him:

http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/shaivism/abhinavagupta.htm

Whoever wrote the Matrix screen play understood the ancient teachings on Prakriti and her 3 gunas, as well as Maya which is the Shakti power Prakriti uses to generate the temporal illusory hologram. It all fits into what David is saying these days. He has evolved wonderful terms in modern English to convey these very slippery multidimensional experiences. I'm always impressed - and it comes from his Heart 100%.

Here is more on the Kashmir Shaivite (as in Shiva) version:
Matrikacakra, The Theory of Letters that Expand the Universe & Everything Consists of Everything Else

The world is simply a form of consciousness!
“If a man wants to understand the mystery of life, if he wants to turn to the source of his being, he will have to understand the mystery of Matrika (lettered sound). Matrika not properly understood only confines us to the feverish activities of life, and thus becomes a source of bondage. If properly understood, she becomes our savior.”

The sole reason and motivation to immerse your consciousness in the theory of MATRIKACAKRA is for your own Liberation, your own freedom from repeating cycles of birth & death. Understanding these ancient sacred teachings will reveal the nature of the universe to you, and the processes by which it is manifested and dissolved, and very soon will lead you to the Home you in fact never left!

http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/shivasutras/sutra002-07-pt2.htm

I can't wait to see what my next translated verse from the Rig Veda will reveal!!! And I've had enough of Ionospheric Heating/HAARP for a while.

[indolering]

Great post, svarga. I'm delighted to hear of all this. It's beautiful to see that David's work is harmonious with these ancient teachings. I resonate with Vedic wisdom which I've studied for years.

Thanks so much for sharing this with us. This is relevant for our 'higher education', and explains much about the multidimensional universe and how it operates.

[svarga]

Great post, svarga. I'm delighted to hear of all this. It's beautiful to see that David's work is harmonious with these ancient teachings. I resonate with Vedic wisdom which I've studied for years.

Thanks so much for sharing this with us. This is relevant for our 'higher education', and explains much about the multidimensional universe and how it operates.

Thank so much, indolering. I'm heartened to see you found value in the Sanskrit Vedic wisdom also. I believe it is the most complete source of metaphysical knowledge from ancient times. Luckily the arrogance of the English didn't think the Sanskrit texts were worth burning - as the Romans burned 90% of all Gnostic writings. I will post on Vedic/Sanskrit connections with David's brilliant work in other threads.

The primary conclusion I have drawn from my translation/interpretation of the above verses in the Sanskrit Rig Veda is that Ionospheric Heating/HAARP is an ET technology. Enki is depicted in the cuneiform tablets as having "the power to release the waters." We all know the 'flood' stories.

http://www.crystalinks.com/dilmunenki.jpg

If you control the weather and therefore water, you control the planet. The fact is that TPTB are also using HAARP to control their bets in the derivatives market, to hedge their risks - and obviously not care if they cause drought and destroy the food 'security' for millions, and ruin the lives of countless honest farmers so they can buy their land and turn it into GMO crops. Ratzoids.

"Why in the World are They Spraying?" Official Trailer - YouTube

[stupid]

If you control the weather and therefore water, you control the planet.
Why not just control the water then. It has a lot easier access, and everybody uses it. Why bother with the sky to get to the water ?

[svarga]

Why not just control the water then. It has a lot easier access, and everybody uses it. Why bother with the sky to get to the water ?

I am assuming you are asking this seriously:
*Ninety-seven percent of the water on the earth is salt water. Salt water is filled with salt and other minerals, and humans cannot drink this water. Although the salt can be removed, it is a difficult and expensive process.
*Two percent of the water on earth is glacier ice at the North and South Poles. This ice is fresh water and could be melted; however, it is too far away from where people live to be usable.
*Less than 1% of all the water on earth is fresh water that we can actually use. We use this small amount of water for drinking, transportation, heating and cooling, industry, and many other purposes.
http://www.drinktap.org/kidsdnn/Portals/5/story_of_water/html/earth.htm

Drought and floods have always threatened mankind. The world is currently facing water wars:
*The Facts About The Global Drinking Water Crisis
One-in-six people in the world lack safe drinking water.
Water-related illnesses are the leading cause of human sickness and death.
• 1.1 billion people in the world do not have access to safe drinking water, roughly one-sixth of the world's population.
http://blueplanetnetwork.org/water/facts

Water wars: 21st century conflicts?
Almost half of humanity will face water scarcity by 2030 and strategists from Israel to Central Asia prepare for strife.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/06/2011622193147231653.html

[svarga]

Why not just control the water then. It has a lot easier access, and everybody uses it. Why bother with the sky to get to the water ?

I meant no disrespect.
Just trying to understand your question.

Water Cycle - YouTube

The Facts About The Global Drinking Water Crisis
One-in-six people in the world lack safe drinking water.
Water-related illnesses are the leading cause of human sickness and death.
In many countries, the water problem is the primary reason people are unable to rise out of poverty. Women and children bear the burdens disproportionately, often spending six hours or more each day fetching water for their families and communities. But there is hope. Proven solutions to the water problem currently exist, such as digging wells and rainwater harvesting. Proper funding and a collective will can make universal safe drinking water a reality.
http://blueplanetnetwork.org/water

Water worth more than oil ...many of the world’s leading investors and most successful companies are making big bets on water. Do a little research, and it’s easy to see why. There simply isn’t enough freshwater to go around, and the situation is expected to get worse before it gets better.

According to Bloomberg News, the worldwide scarcity of usable water worldwide already has made water more valuable than oil. The Bloomberg World Water Index, which tracks 11 utilities, has returned 35 percent to investors every year since 2003, compared with 29 percent for oil and gas stocks and 10 percent for the Standard & Poor's 500 Index.

"There is only one direction for water prices at the moment, and that's up," said Hans Peter Portner, who manages a $2.9 billion US Water Fund at Pictet Asset Management in Geneva, according to a report by Bloomberg News. The value of the fund increased 26 percent in 2005, and Portner expects water to provide 8 percent annual returns through 2020.
http://www.theenvironmentalist.com/old/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=87&Itemid=62

[beldazar]

Thank you, indolering.
I was shocked to find Ionospheric Heating/HAARP in the Rig Veda.

I was NOT looking for anything like this. No one makes the arduous effort to teach themselves Sanskrit to read about HAARP! Sanskrit is very difficult. I had found that the English translations of my favorite texts, the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads were are filtered through the bias of the translators. So I decided to teach myself Sanskrit and get to the heart of the meaning for myself.

I had always been enormously curious about the Rig Veda, which is said to be 'the source' of all Sanskrit metaphysics and Hinduism. No one knows how old it is. There are many scholarly speculations, but no one actually knows. I knew Wendy Doniger's translation was absurd - you cannot develop such deeply elegant metaphysical knowledge out of mere ritual and sacrificial deities.

The first verses I translated in the Rig Veda emerged more as quantum physics. I had some justification for this in 6 books which are written by Indian scholars that connect in no uncertain terms the Vedic texts with quantum thinking. These ideas are very similar the what David is teaching. The concept of the Matrix is absolutely a basic premise in Hinduism - Prakriti's gunas and the concept of Maya. In Kashmir Shaivism, there is the teaching concerning MATRIKA:

"The Theory of Letters that Expand the Universe & Quantum Reality:
It is said that enlightenment will dawn on those who understand the mechanics of the Matrikacakra. Therefore we may be motivated to study elemental powers and their correlations to the Sanskrit letters, which produce the splendid sacred waveforms that create our universe.
Matrikacakra theory precisely explains how the Sanskrit alphabet as root-vibration brings about the expansion of the entire universe, the temporal illusory hologram. Matrika is the hidden mother - the creative energy that generates the external world from subtle to gross. She is ‘hidden’ because she remains unknown to us when we are lost in our desires, forgetting who we are.
“Matrika Shakti is the power of sound that is the matrix of the cosmos, and manifests as the letters of the alphabet. Matrika is the subtle force behind thought and speech. [Chetanananda].”

http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/shivasutras/sutra002-07.htm

However I was soon amazed to find that Rig Veda Mandala III.44.5 read as a description of what I termed 'fuel that powers circular aerial ships'! This was weird enough, but most of us are aware that the Sanskrit texts, The Mahabharata and the Puranas are filled with descriptions of 'flying chariots' VIMANAS and what can only be terrifyingly powerful radiation weapons.

http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/rigveda2012/rigveda011.htm

But the verse describing HAARP really astounded me and I decided to come here to David's Forum, because I was sure that there were people who would understand the implications. To my mind this makes it dead certain that we are living in a "fallen" state of consciousness and that we or at least some of us were much more evolved and technologically advanced in the silent remote past.

I believe that it is also clear that this technology for weather modification was used by many ancient civilizations. Think of Moses crossing the Red Sea, and certainly Enki in the cuneiform tablets is depicted bring down the waters. Image here:

http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/rigveda2012/rigvedaIII-45reflections.htm

This technology has returned with HAARP - and whoever is the master creator of this ionospheric heating is here and has entrenched itself in our governments worldwide, as is evidenced by the extensive and bewildering use of HAARP and all its effects - which no one appears to want to share with those of us who are paying for it and yet are kept in the dark.

Excellent posts svarga and very interesting too.

At the moment I'm reading Manley P Hall book Secret Teachings of the Ages and have just gone through a similar passage to your post about Hebrew words and letters forming the universe, what letters were used for some functions rather than others etc... I can't be any more specific than that as it needed a bit of decoding and since it's not something I have come across before it was difficult to interpret.
Basically it says what you are saying here also but Hebrew replacing Sanskrit but that's more to do with having the same vibration prehaps?

[svarga]

Excellent posts svarga and very interesting too.

At the moment I'm reading Manley P Hall book Secret Teachings of the Ages and have just gone through a similar passage to your post about Hebrew words and letters forming the universe, what letters were used for some functions rather than others etc... I can't be any more specific than that as it needed a bit of decoding and since it's not something I have come across before it was difficult to interpret.
Basically it says what you are saying here also but Hebrew replacing Sanskrit but that's more to do with having the same vibration prehaps?

Thank you, beldazar!
Yes, Stan Tenen has worked on this kind of theory with the Hebrew letters for many years. Here is his website.

http://www.meru.org/GodofAbe/onegdpix.html

Concerning what you said about the letters "having the same vibration" - my current feeling is more that the different letters actually express the particular consciousness of the various sources. In other words, the Oneness likes to manifest in a big variety of forms. So Sanskrit produces the Vedas and the Upanishads, etc. - while Hebrew brings forth Kabbalah, etc. Beneath the curtain of sound, there is still nothing but the Oneness.

My understanding: The World is Spirit Clothed in Sound
The Real is an Ocean of Consciousness, undifferentiated light pulsations (spanda-prakasha), the plenum.

The periodic Desire (kama) of the One emerges in the primeval un-struck (anahata) Sound (shabd), a great howling Cry (Rudra).

Thus the primeval unmanifest Sound covers the oceanic Spirit, ubiquitous, the One everywhere, creating the ‘appearance’ of separation.
An Illusion.

Objects are Spirit covered by sound.
Sound is the cosmic process measuring out form (rupa).

Sound the primordial word (Vâk) becomes multiplicity, we experience manifest creation through five-sense differentiation, perception.

All gross material and subtle forms are temporal holographic appearances,
Spirit covered, encased, enclosed, clothed, embraced in myriad Sound frequencies, waveforms, the primordial covering.

Sound freezes, coagulates, solidifies Spirit in Time.

[indolering]

The inevitable privatization of water is likely to exacerbate an already untenable condition - lack of good water to billions of people. One more reason we need to drastically change things around here or none of us will make it.

[svarga]

"... a planetary short circuit!"
@8:10

HAARP - Electromagnetic Warfare - Illuminati Intentionally Causing Natural Disasters

HAARP - Electromagnetic Warfare - Illuminati Intentionally Causing Natural Disasters - YouTube

In a novel written In 1967, by Walter and Leigh Richmond, The Lost Millenium more recently entitled SIVA], they described a "solar tap" that just would not quit.
A "solar tap" connects the ionosphere with the earth, in the opposite direction of ionospheric heaters. ...

"And the surge of power from the tap became an avalanche. One trillion watt-seconds of energy unleashed their fury...in the first flash...(This would) burn hell out of the spot where it touched Earth...A shock wave, racing at the speed of sound...(would result in the)...toppling of great cities...(and the planet)...whipped about on its axis like a thing tortured."

[theperceivingeye]

http://s13.postimage.org/bffrqwwb9/show_32_promo.jpg (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hivemind1984/2012/03/29/hivemind-radio-episode-32--chemtrails-ufos-orgone)

Just did a broadcast on the subject if anyone wants to check it out, mentioned Svarga's theory of ancient HAARP-like tech in the vedas as well as a bunch of other stuff:

Hivemind1984 Radio returns to the air after a 9 month hiatus to discuss a variety of topics from an "esoteric" perspective including Chemtrails, Orgone Energy, UFOs & Suppressed Free Energy Technology and Health Information. From advanced ancient civilizations to the possibility of extraterrestrial and interdimensional contact this broadcast will consider the possibilities and examine some of the evidence for exotic technology connected with the so called "chemtrail" operation. Also I will talk about the suppression of alternative healing modalities in favor of corporate chemical-based treatments & the reasons this is being done & how I think we can reverse the negative trends society seems to be stuck in at this present time.

[svarga]

.... mentioned Svarga's theory of ancient HAARP-like tech in the vedas:

If you read these verses - even without [my helpful hints] in brackets, what comes to mind? The early translators of these verses would never think of Ionospheric Heating. The Rig Veda also contains tales of the great Rishi Seers using MANTRAS (sound) to battle and trounce each other! So I cannot find any reason why descriptions of technology, such as aerial ship fuel in III.44.5 and Ionospheric Heating/HAARP, would not be in these ancient sacred Sanskrit texts.

Rig Veda III.45
Weather Control & Ionospheric Heating
1
Come, Indra, conqueror of the sky and atmosphere,
the governing managing celestial aerial car [space ship]
moving, advancing with fearful yellow-green
[‘horse-power’ emissions], directing onward
a deep vibrant rumbling sound,
a low bass tone [ELF/ULFs] extends an intensive net,
a noose that snares, of uninterrupted succession
propagating resounding [ELF/ULF waveform frequencies]
from the bow-like [parabolic antenna that moves rotating]
similar to the [movement of the array of male] feathers of a peacock [attracting a female]
designed to pile up and form a layer or stratum of sound [waveform frequencies]

[As ‘conqueror’ of the atmosphere, Indra would have had mastery over the layers that make up earth’s atmosphere: troposphere, stratosphere, mesosphere, thermosphere, and ionosphere. Indra’s horses are said to be ‘peacock haired’ — perhaps suggesting iridescence or even laser antennas.]

2
Indra, the conqueror of the sky
Eager for [yearning after] the intensity in the SVAR
[the ionosphere; the SVAR is the portion of the atmosphere that is lit by the sun, i.e. ‘the bright space sky’ as opposed to the DIV ‘which is regarded as the vault above it’]
by stabilizing, making stationary the space station [the RATHASYA, the vehicle of the gods]
Indra, the leader, the water-driver rents apart, destroys [the ‘topside’ layer or exosphere of the ionosphere]
by causing [the electric plasma energies] to revolve, to turn,
chewing, devouring, crushing shattering caverns [in the ionosphere]
breaking, directing, forming a stratum or layer [of ionization in this region]

3
Nearly less than 100 deeply penetrated,
very low tones [ELF/ULF electromagnetic frequencies]
like a song flow, issue out
go towards the upper most [ionosphere] in order that
pursuing correctly according to what is right,
as a good protector [shield],
a double convex lens separates [plasma]
filling as an ocean, river, ditch or trench
in order that the intention, plan, design,
purpose to accumulate, a cavity, a deep lake
proceeding continuously without interruption.

[the Sanskrit word here PUShYA can refer to a lunar asterism, Nakshatra, a section of the sky in the constellation of Cancer 04°17’ – 17°09’]

4
You Indra, conqueror of the atmosphere and sky,
shake, cause to tremble with sound roaring,
with the shock & shake of your thunderbolt [electric discharge in plasma]
the staff of an arc-like [ANKI] bow [curved arc]
to cook, boil [heat up the ionosphere]
leading to the goal, accomplishment – water. [vasu]
The speed of the stream comes,
is directed for us as it were, to produce [rain]
filling bringing large quantities, divided,
distributed in a degree of latitude and longitude.

5
To conquer the atmosphere and the upper reaches of space,
by the gracious glory of those many conquerors of the sky and atmosphere
who are the highly lauded and praised,
famous [for producing] water [rains]
by magnifying and increasing the energy,
power, and light of the sun’s luster [radiation is utilized]
to lead a river into a channel
[in others words to control precipitation, as in weather modification, and thus the waters in rivers, etc. available to mankind on earth],
through competent self-sustaining [technology]
illustrious crossing [trajectory].


***
The Sanskrit word definitions in these verses can be found here:

http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/rigveda2012/rigvedaIII-45definitions.htm

[stupid]

Svarga, you mentioned a lot of things...one of them being "HAARP" as a modern implementation of the weather modification, previously "known" by ancient cultures and ET's somehow.
You also said:
If you control the weather and therefore water, you control the planet. The fact is that TPTB are also using HAARP to control their bets in the derivatives market, to hedge their risks - and obviously not care if they cause drought and destroy the food 'security' for millions, and ruin the lives of countless honest farmers so they can buy their land and turn it into GMO crops.

I asked:
Why not just control the water then. It has a lot easier access, and everybody uses it. Why bother with the sky to get to the water ?
I was hoping to hit upon your main point. Was I in any way near close to doing so ? (It's hard to tell what your main point was/is.)
But in your replies to my question...you did not answer my question. You only replied how scarce and precious water was.

Still I wonder, if it is the water that enslaves us (as you allude to)....what does HAARP have to do with it all ?

(if you decide to answer, can you limit your reply to answering my question ?)

[svarga]

Svarga, you mentioned a lot of things...one of them being "HAARP" as a modern implementation of the weather modification, previously "known" by ancient cultures and ET's somehow.
You also said:

I asked:

I was hoping to hit upon your main point. Was I in any way near close to doing so ? (It's hard to tell what your main point was/is.)
But in your replies to my question...you did not answer my question.
Still I wonder, if it is the water that enslaves us (as you allude to)....what does HAARP have to do with it all ?


I apologize for not understanding your question. I did not mean to imply that only "water enslaves" us - however controlling water is one way to control life on earth. HAARP as you know is used for many purposes.

I was attempting to show that this is an ancient technology and therefore was very likely to have been part of the infamous "Deal" that government are said to have made with the less than high-consciousness ETs. So Ionospheric Heating is not new, but was reported in the ancient texts, the cuneiform tablets/Enki and the Sanskrit Rig Veda.

HAARP is a technology that controls weather, thus rain, thus drought, floods, and agriculture.

http://weatherwars.info/

[svarga]

HAARP EXPOSED - YouTube

[svarga]

Nano weather machines - chemtrails and smart dust! micro machines MEMS - YouTube

[beldazar]

Nano weather machines - chemtrails and smart dust! micro machines MEMS - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nllOShVgIAQ&feature=player_embedded)

We are covered in this stuff down here.
I never really went for this theory until very recently. Through a phone call I was told by someone to go outside and run my finger over a car windscreen and hold it out to the light. I did, teeny glittery particles.

I have a microscope and tried to see the particles up close but my microscope isn't the best sort. They were a lot smaller than the thing next to the paperclip and a bronzy colour. Does anyone have a microscopic picture of the smart dust?

[svarga]

We are covered in this stuff down here.
I never really went for this theory until very recently. Through a phone call I was told by someone to go outside and run my finger over a car windscreen and hold it out to the light. I did, teeny glittery particles.

I have a microscope and tried to see the particles up close but my microscope isn't the best sort. They were a lot smaller than the thing next to the paperclip and a bronzy colour. Does anyone have a microscopic picture of the smart dust?

I didn't want to believe either.
This is obviously already big business.

http://www.innoresearch.net/
http://www.innoresearch.net/report_toc.aspx?id=66&pg=773&pd=6/1/2009


MUST SEE!!! THIS IS HAPPENING NOW!! NANO TECHNOLOGY AND THE NWO BRAIN IMPLANTS - YouTube

[beldazar]

I didn't want to believe either.
This is obviously already big business.

http://www.innoresearch.net/
http://www.innoresearch.net/report_toc.aspx?id=66&pg=773&pd=6/1/2009


MUST SEE!!! THIS IS HAPPENING NOW!! NANO TECHNOLOGY AND THE NWO BRAIN IMPLANTS - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXcfm10bvZo&feature=related)

Wow... just wow. This stuff is running away with itself. :eek:
Thankyou for posting that svarga.

[svarga]

Wow... just wow. This stuff is running away with itself. :eek:
Thankyou for posting that svarga.

This is bizarre.
Think of the implications for war!

I found this today and it might [???] shed some light on what the nano stuff is doing in the 'alien-goo' chemtrails. Bear in mind that we humans on Earth are only one colony in the vast array of galaxies - and there are said to be over 150+ ET races which are already negotiating with the Secret Govs.

From a Buddha Master from the Falun Dafa school of QiGong.
excerpts:

Over the ages, these alien beings have continually been developing and metamorphosing. So in this universe there have really appeared the abnormal social relations that these kinds of lives have. Greed and lust have caused something like star wars to actually happen over where they live. They haven’t yet threatened humankind because humankind doesn’t have the ability to pose a threat to them . So they haven’t attacked humankind.

They would attack humankind if you were to threaten them. Although alien beings haven’t attacked humankind, they know that a human bod y is the most perfect. They’ve thus taken a fancy to the human body and want to steal it. They saturate all domains of humankind with science to make human beings firmly believe in science and rely on it. When human beings ’ thoughts and way of existence are completely assimilated to the irs, they just have to replace people’s souls and humans will become them, and they will eventually replace the human race.

... They want to bring it to this planet and eventually replace humans. They found that the human body is really perfect, flawless. So they covet the human body and want to eventually replace humans. They have added their things into one layer of human beings’ molecular cells. That’s already been done now and it has formed on a large scale. So for me to save you today, I not only have to remove all the attachments and karma that you need to eliminate, but I also have to clean up this stuff for you. The road humankind is traveling down is dreadful. Computers would have commanded people one day. Ongoing developments have conformed to this trajectory. Humans were to become the slaves of computers and machinery, and eventually be replaced by aliens.

Why have computers developed so quickly, and why has the human brain suddenly become so “sharp”? All of this has been carried out by aliens controlling the human mind. Aliens have registered everyone who knows how to operate a computer.For real. As to our students, I’ve cleaned all of that up for them, so that they won’t be interfered with by aliens when they use computers. Why are there aliens? Some aliens originate from their planets. Why do some aliens always come to Earth? It’s because they were once humans on Earth. But it wasn’t the Earth of our time. It was the previous Earth that existed at the same location as this Earth. Earth has been replaced many times.

***

“As you know, modern science was brought to mankind by aliens. They came when the Industrial Revolution began in the West. They started with mathematics and chemistry—started from the shallow, simple knowledge of the earliest days—and penetrated on through to modern machinery, and eventually they developed up to today’s computers. As development continues further their ultimate goal will be to replace human beings.

How is the replacement to take place? As I mentioned, in the body of today’s human beings almost everyone has a layer of the body that was created by aliens.Why do I say that? It’s because all of the science that they instilled in you has created a warped human mindset in your mind. There have never been humans like this in any of mankind’s previous civilizations. When the mind is like that, so is the body. As you know, every cell in your body is you, and your brain is connected to the brain in every cell. In that case, the thought processes inside the countless cells in your body are all the thoughts of warped human beings, and the entire body has become like that.

Full account:

http://alien-ufo-community.ning.com/forum/topics/nwo-alien-agenda

[beldazar]

Thanks again svarga.

This evening I saw this video posted on a thread in General and found it so very creepy

Robotics Feature and Interview with Ray Kurzweil on Lateline 29.4.11(ABC1) - YouTube

Lenon Honors series The Borg Agenda is a good watch if you haven't seen them.

http://lenonhonor.com/the-borg-agenda-series/

I can't watch them again, (missing plug-in) and on lots of other sites the videos have been removed by the user so I'm not sure they will work for you.

[svarga]

Thank you, beldazar!
If this nano-goo in the chemtrails is as efficient as they say...what hope is there?

This Buddha Master article is amazing:

They saturate all domains of humankind with science to make human beings firmly believe in science and rely on it. When human beings ’ thoughts and way of existence are completely assimilated to theirs, they just have to replace people’s souls and humans will become them, and they will eventually replace the human race.

... the alien culture that I was just talking about, it is precisely using man’s own thinking to create the bodily layer that it needs, and it is doing so without man being aware of it. How will they ultimately replace human beings, then? You know that they still have to find a way to replace the shell of the outermost surface of human beings. This is the method of 'cloning' that man now wants to use.


This is the ultimate means that aliens will use to replace man— that is, cloning humans. Man is being used by aliens to destroy himself, yet he is not aware of it and is still protecting this science, destroying the human race. If humans are cloned en masse in the future, those beings will all be aliens that have reincarnated in human bodies, and there will be no more human race.

Quote:

I’ve told you before that because of alien science and technology, one layer of the human body, one of the human body’s layers of particles, has been placed fully under the control of aliens. It consists entirely of alien planets’ elements, including numbers, mechanical structures, electronic components, and so on. It consists of that stuff. And those things are continually creating a warped effect. The large-scale modern industries brought about by science have impacted many low-level dimensions in the cosmos. In my Fa-rectification I’ve found that quite a large layer of the cosmos has been contaminated by those things. And those warped things have had a considerably large resisting effect in the Fa-rectification.

full article here:

http://alien-ufo-community.ning.com/forum/topics/nwo-alien-agenda

I'm going to post more on this in my Matrix/Sanskrit thread.

[beldazar]

Thank you, beldazar!
If this nano-goo in the chemtrails is as efficient as they say...what hope is there?

This Buddha Master article is amazing:

They saturate all domains of humankind with science to make human beings firmly believe in science and rely on it. When human beings ’ thoughts and way of existence are completely assimilated to theirs, they just have to replace people’s souls and humans will become them, and they will eventually replace the human race.

... the alien culture that I was just talking about, it is precisely using man’s own thinking to create the bodily layer that it needs, and it is doing so without man being aware of it. How will they ultimately replace human beings, then? You know that they still have to find a way to replace the shell of the outermost surface of human beings. This is the method of 'cloning' that man now wants to use.


This is the ultimate means that aliens will use to replace man— that is, cloning humans. Man is being used by aliens to destroy himself, yet he is not aware of it and is still protecting this science, destroying the human race. If humans are cloned en masse in the future, those beings will all be aliens that have reincarnated in human bodies, and there will be no more human race.

Quote:

I’ve told you before that because of alien science and technology, one layer of the human body, one of the human body’s layers of particles, has been placed fully under the control of aliens. It consists entirely of alien planets’ elements, including numbers, mechanical structures, electronic components, and so on. It consists of that stuff. And those things are continually creating a warped effect. The large-scale modern industries brought about by science have impacted many low-level dimensions in the cosmos. In my Fa-rectification I’ve found that quite a large layer of the cosmos has been contaminated by those things. And those warped things have had a considerably large resisting effect in the Fa-rectification.

full article here:

http://alien-ufo-community.ning.com/forum/topics/nwo-alien-agenda

I'm going to post more on this in my Matrix/Sanskrit thread.

I don't really have a problem with them stealing our illusory bodies and filling them with artificial intelligence as long as they leave our souls alone but I doubt if AI can generate the type of energy from any emotions that they are said to feed upon.

I'm not happy with this whole set-up anyway, everything stealing energy from something else. A whole parasitical world. I have a great idea! We either make our own or just don't have any need for it.

[svarga]

I don't really have a problem with them stealing our illusory bodies and filling them with artificial intelligence as long as they leave our souls alone but I doubt if AI can generate the type of energy from any emotions that they are said to feed upon.

I agree.
AI cannot generate this kind of energy.
Quite right and good observation.
Look at the little Greys trying desperately to get "feelings" back into their DNA.

From everything I have ever read in the metaphysical teachings of the Sanskrit texts, there is NO WAY they can invade the Soul.
There is only one Soul, that is the Oneness.
And that is never touched by anything we ever do.
So the ET's don't have the power to get to that.
They can mess with the subtle 'spirit body' - the ShARIRA, which is that part of our consciousness we identify as our individuality and carries our experiences & memories from one lifetime to another.

I'm not happy with this whole set-up anyway, everything stealing energy from something else. A whole parasitical world. I have a great idea! We either make our own or just don't have any need for it.

I think we all feel something like this. We intuitively know that the whole thing has gone wrong.
We are all longing for redemption, a cleansing resurrection. We just don't know what form this will take.
It's typical Kali Yuga madness.

[svarga]

Cloud Cover Documentary Debut
A Philanthropic Edit of the Original “Aerosol Crimes” Documentary by Clifford E Carnicom

Parts 1-5

http://www.carnicominstitute.org/articles/cloudcover.htm

Cloud Cover Documentary - Part 5 - YouTube!

[svarga]

I never saw this... David is in this 1st clip:

HAARP - USA is next - New Madrid Fault Line 2012 - YouTube

Doomsday: San Francisco 2 - YouTube

[svarga]

Just guessing what this might be ....

*Nonlinear electron magnetohydrodynamics physics

http://www.physics.ucla.edu/plasma-exp/references/publications/PoP/PHPAEN154042307_1.pdf

http://www.google.co.nz/webhp?hl=en&tab=nw#hl=en&sugexp=llsin&gs_nf=1&cp=47&gs_id=2&xhr=t&q=Nonlinear+electron+magnetohydrodynamics+physics&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Nonlinear+electron+magnetohydrodynamics+physics&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=a0b0e020f3d5101c&biw=1350&bih=1318

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Phys. Plasmas 15, 042307 (2008); http://dx.doi.org/10.1063/1.2903065 (8 pages)

Nonlinear electron magnetohydrodynamics physics.
I. Whistler spheromaks, mirrors, and field reversed configurations
R. L. Stenzel, J. M. Urrutia, and K. D. Strohmaier
Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095-1547, USA

The nonlinear interactions of time-varying magnetic fields with plasmas is investigated in the regime of electron magnetohydrodynamics. Simple magnetic field geometries are excited in a large laboratory plasma with a loop antenna driven with large oscillatory currents. When the axial loop field opposes the ambient field, the net field can be reversed to create a field-reversed configuration (FRC). In the opposite polarity, a strong field enhancement is produced.

The time-varying antenna field excites whistler modes with wave magnetic fields exceeding the ambient magnetic field. The resulting magnetic field topologies have been measured. As the magnetic topology is changed from FRC to strong enhancement, two propagating field configurations resembling spheromaks are excited, one with positive and the other with negative helicity. Such “whistler spheromaks” propagate with their null points along the weaker ambient magnetic field, with the current density localized around its O-line. In contrast, “whistler mirrors” which have topologies similar to linear whistlers, except with Bwave>B0, have no null regions and, therefore, broad current layers. This paper describes the basic field topologies of whistler spheromaks and mirrors, while companion papers discuss the associated nonlinear phenomena as well as the interaction between them.
© 2008 American Institute of Physics

Article Outline
INTRODUCTION
Experimental setup
EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS
Single antenna current pulse
Oscillatory antenna currents
Schematics of field topologies
Measured field topologies
Space-time evolution of fields
CONCLUSIONS

http://pop.aip.org/resource/1/phpaen/v15/i4/p042307_s1?isAuthorized=no

[svarga]

China Secret and Silent ?
You Can See from sky.....but you can't know what is it
Because you can't come to china to see near
from Google earth coordinate
43°04'51.75"N/92°48'26.85"E
the software will focus you to satelite image like this.....

http://www.ahmoi.com/action/blog/one.php?id=4f7fe018f24f4

and

Something weird, yet familiar, can be found at 43°04'51.75"N/92°48'26.85"E.
First, notice the scale. Those little rectangular things are big trucks.
The staff there must get pretty bored because there is evidence of joy-riding on the tarmac. The "embedded conductors" are used like an obstacle course, leaving signs of tire wear on them -- especially in tight turns. Those illuminated figure "8" shapes are puzzling. We sometimes see truck tracks in them also.

"What it is is two banks of three arrays for two separate bands, and one bank of two arrays for another. You can't tell the operational frequencies from the spacings. The panels are many wavelengths across, but we dont know how many. It is a multiband array antenna farm with flat array panels. If we knew the operational frequencies I could tell you the gain. Not an Arecibo but still not too shabby would be my guess. Could be an imaging radar for satellite monitoring."

http://www.viewzone.com/cgrid/cgrid.html

[stupid]

[QUOTE=svarga;1060738454]I never saw this... David is in this 1st clip:

HAARP - USA is next - New Madrid Fault Line 2012 - YouTube

Thank you for that excellent video find.
It says several things...
1) that films feed our minds with plots of gov't schemes.
2) that birds mass-die only because of gov't schemes.
3) that initial reports of bird and fish deaths remain a mystery (but speculated upon) when first reported.

What it does not tell you,,,,,
A) is that film plots are there to attract viewers, allowing those films to profit greatly.
B) that bird (and fish) die-offs happen quite frequently around the world.
C) that such die-offs most often have explainable reasons, as reported by Ornithologists, and Ichthyologists, in the field.

[svarga]

U.A.F.F. Chemtrail Research Page
Project Cloverleaf - The Science Behind it

excerpt:

These ionospheric heaters can also operate as an over-the-horizon or under-the-ocean communications system. This system can control the weather or create disasters. Taken together with the aurora keyhole through-your-roof satellite surveillance system, Echelon electronic computer/phone sweeps, plasma-cloaked DOD Drug War helicopters and stealths, implants, and cameras on the street, it constitutes one, big global and space control grid.

These weapons involve beams. Two beams overlapped will couple into a particle-ion beam that will bounce off of a remote target and send a holographic image back to the satellite for remote spying operations. When you cross two strong beams, you can supposedly* create scalar energies. These energies can be used as untraceable weapons for nuclear size explosions or for defense. These crossed-energies can be used to cause a person's physical electrical system to fail or with a lower frequency, administer a kind of remote electro-shock.

Visualize touching a positive and negative electric cable to each other on top of your head. Scalar energies can be utilized in hand-held military guns and on tanks. They can dud-out electronics or cause large, electrical blackouts. Scalar energies are practically impossible to shield against. You need lead, ceramics, and a deep underground facility to not be affected by these weapons. Or, you need to be up and above the field of battle.


full report with films

http://www.uaff.us/uaffchemtrailpage.htm