What is wrong with National Socialism?

[octopusrex]

Come on..

Imagine Hitler as a pot-smokng multi-cultural hippie and give him a chance to rebuild Germany and such. FUCKING HEAVEN, man!

This is response to that STUPID ASS History Channel episode of the Nostradamus Effect on Hitler and his "occult" blood thinngie.

Tribal good.

[bob_jones]

Come on..

Imagine Hitler as a pot-smokng multi-cultural hippie and give him a chance to rebuild Germany and such. FUCKING HEAVEN, man!

This is response to that STUPID ASS History Channel episode of the Nostradamus Effect on Hitler and his "occult" blood thinngie.

Tribal good.

OK, so you saw it and want to discuss it.

How about a link or something?

Also good practice to copy and paste articles onto the post with a link for reference, too much to leave the forum to read the article for some, it's the green light, it is so tranquil you see?

[octopusrex]

OK, so you saw it and want to discuss it.

How about a link or something?

Also good practice to copy and paste articles onto the post with a link for reference, too much to leave the forum to read the article for some, it's the green light, it is so tranquil you see?

Actually, I am much more interested in a discussion of National Socialism as a tool to rebuild nations, say like MEXICO. Seems to have done wonders for the Germans (except for the tidbit about the master race and such).

[bob_jones]

Setting People Free

What was Margaret Thatcher talking about? She said she was setting people free. What she meant was that she was setting people free from the Jewish capitalist system. That is unpopular capitalism a capitalist model that is run by a minority of very wealth Jewish bankers.
Her anti-dote was National Socialism. In that the state was the modus opirandi for setting people free by the introduction of popular capitalism. This was the model of capitalism that set people free from those that lend money for profit. It worked as it was genius.
First of all Margaret Thatcher believed in mass share ownership. And put it into practice. There were millions of people that became share owners under her prestigious leadership. The capitalist system was rigged by an elected government so that people could pay off mortgages and get out of debt to money lenders. And then they could pass on the houses to their children so that they could indulge in capitalism with capital to start with. People were buying shares in the companies they worked for and so were paid dividends on the profits they helped generate.
It was a fascist ideology that provided a workable mechanism for the socialist ideal of reaping the full fruits of your labour.
People were doing so well out of the system they were free to retire at 50 and had capital that they could pass on to their children so that they could start businesses with out debt and if it all went wrong they owned a house outright so would not make themselves homeless in the process of their first go at becoming an entrepreneur.
At last mass property and share ownership became a reality and popular capitalism was a success.
Then came Tony Blair and New Labour.
The first thing they did to get rid of freedom was to put up taxes. This affected the stock market and made private pension under perform so that people that had saved up could no longer set themselves free of the need to labour at the age of about 50.
The big money moved into housing as the returns were not available in the stock market. This sent up the price of houses, making them unreachable for the majority of aspiring Britons (Thatcher's people). It made many millionaires on paper but did nothing for the primary purpose of housing:-To put a roof over your head.
The manufacturing sector that was growing up until 1997 went into rapid decline as the country could no longer use its educational advantage to compete with countries like China. The weight of taxes was too much.
This put up unemployment sharply but the state did what no state should do. They created an army of non-job civil servants to soak up the unemployed. This created the need for even higher taxes to pay the wages. Like the old coal and steel industries of the 1970s except instead of producing coal and steel at a loss, they produced nothing except for state interference in people’s lives. A new red army of cost items whose purpose was to hide the unemployment figures and increase the power of the state to interfere with people’s freedom.
The New Labour party were opposed to freedom from the sate as well as freedom from money lenders. So social services became empowered to haul people off to the old folk’s home and sell their houses to stop them reaching the nirvana of freedom. They would be no rung on the ladder for their children; they were to be recycled into the mortgage sector.
Then came inheritance tax, so that the hardy that stuck it out long enough to die their own homes could not pass houses on to their children. The house had to be sold to pay the tax bill.
We even encourage debt by doing the shopping. Personal debt is at a record high. But here the state is not to blame. It is individual choice that has allowed the irresponsible to run up huge debts. It is a democracy after all and people voted for a government that is intent on taking freedom away. They voted for life long slavery to money lenders. And that is what they have got.
But then along came George Bush with his 9/11 atrocity.
This was designed to give the Jewish capitalist system an excuse to attack Islam as it is against the law in Islam to lend money for profit.
That is the theme and reasons behind it. The Bilderberg group were responsible for 9/11.
It is not Islam that they dislike but the popular capitalism. As seen when they tried to use their media power to topple the elected government of Belarus.
Alexander Lukashenko is the Belarus' answer to Thatcher. They have popular capitalism and 2% unemployment. They have 5% fixed interest rate mortgages and have a home owning democracy.
Belarus is not being run in the interests of unpopular capitalism and so false allegations of electoral fraud were made in a bid to topple the government that people in Belarus had voted for. The truth is not a conspiracy theory. The truth is Lukashenko is popular and so people keep voting for him.
Iran is only providing an excuse for America to attack them by developing nuclear facilities. But the reader should be aware that the motive to invade Iran is not weapons of mass destruction but the New World Order's desire to sweep away Islamic capitalism and install unpopular capitalism in its place.
In third world counties you can see unpopular capitalism at its worst. People live hand to mouth fending off debt that they have no choice but to take on to grow crops. They have no opportunity to get out of debt and reach the nirvana of having their own capital and so the freedom to invest without debt. Or even enough capital to meet their subsistence needs.
It is the same in the UK.
The capitalist system is rigged so that most people can not meet their basic needs for housing and food without becoming a slave to money lenders. The gap between rich and poor is wider than ever.
Democracy could remedy the situation but for that a Conservative Party leader of vision and courage that is incorruptible and genuinely out for the people needs to come along.
Not someone that colludes in bogus terrorism to help spread the unelected march of unpopular capitalism around the world.
Written By Robert Alexander Jones 12/11/07

[bob_jones]

This is an old essay of mine on the subject.

It uses deliberate provocative vocbluary.

Basically I'm looking for an intelligent debate and the vocabluary triggers of crap spouters programmed with neurolinguistic programming.

I'm looking for educated peole to interact with not vocabluary brain washed people who are deluded to think they are educated, they are not educated they are programmed.

But the ideas behind the vocabluary are sound.

The distinction between popular and unpopular capitalism needs exploration.

The idea that folk need equity in their lives and that Thatcher came as close as any post war leader to achieving it without causing the banks to throw a revolution.

That New Labour far from being socialist, did people down to put them in a debt trap to banks and so without their own equity.

The papers never told people they were screwed by Blair and they never noticed, if they had then William Hague would still be PM to this day.

Unless they gerrymandered the general election?

[octopusrex]

This is an old essay of mine on the subject.

It uses deliberate provocative vocbluary.

Basically I'm looking for an intelligent debate and the vocabluary triggers of crap spouters programmed with neurolinguistic programming.

I'm looking for educated peole to interact with not vocabluary brain washed people who are deluded to think they are educated, they are not educated they are programmed.

But the ideas behind the vocabluary are sound.

The distinction between popular and unpopular capitalism needs exploration.

The idea that folk need equity in their lives and that Thatcher came as close as any post war leader to achieving it without causing the banks to throw a revolution.

That New Labour far from being socialist, did people down to put them in a debt trap to banks and so without their own equity.

The papers never told people they were screwed by Blair and they never noticed, if they had then William Hague would still be PM to this day.

Unless they gerrymandered the general election?

A benevolent dictator is what I am talking about.
The cocept that if there is a person who is directly responsible for the "volk", whoever those "volk" might be (Hutus, Huixoles or Danish and everything in between), then those "volk" have a cohesive tribal sense about their lives and their common good, whereas if there is no such cohesion, then folks basically become prey of those groups (like bankers and Hollywood Agents) who do act for a common good of their brothers.

National (tribal) - meaning a group of people with a common interest. For instance the Huixoles of Mexico. There are only 20 thousand left.

Socialist (social-welfare, as in Social Security) the group supports all it's members and their common welfare.

The one-world theory works better if folks can join groups where they feel more comfortable and supported, for instance, Christians with Christians, Afro-Centrists with Afro-Centrists and .. well, Arians with Aryans.

See, Zion understands this need and they actually practice it constantly, hence their cohesive efforts against Gaza. The Catholic Church understands this need and they deffinitively practice it, minus the social welfare part. I think for the most part, Rome is interested in Rome.

Mexico suffers from a terrible social disease called Malinchismo. Malinchismo, or the syndrome of the malinche is a kind of affection for white culture suffered by the far more cultured Aztecs and Mayans. They somehow believe that because whites vanquished them in the Conquista, whites are automatically better and their culture superior. Perhaps this is true in bloodshed and environmental pollution, but as far as mathematics, herbal knowledge and spiritual awareness, the Aztecs are far superior to their european cousins. There IS one thing that Mexicans could learn from Europe and that lesson was given to them by the most "hated" of Europeans: Hitler.

Hitler loved his people more than life itself. He so loved his people he was willing to murder the Jews to get them out of Germany. Mexico needs to learn from this so it can finally vanquish the spirit of La Malinche.

[astrochicken]

A couple of my neighbours, all in there 80's, were in various SS-divisions, one even in the "totenkopf" and they've given me various books, all banned here in germany, to read.

It's fascinating stuff and at complete opposites to the official story.


Sadly, germany has this whole collective guilt thing going on due tp the one-sidedness of the official history narrative.. they should be fucking proud.. but nope.. they're ashamed.

How many here actually know that were jewish, croation, danish, estonian, norwegian, spanish, french, dutch, indian, african and many more volunteer SS-divisions????

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The germans were fully aware of jewish complicity as regards the fucking mess the planet was in, then as now, and strove for betterment.. ie. they emphasized the positive. Of course the germans are a proud race, look at their achievements, look at their mathematicians, their physicians, inventors, poets, composers..imho the bottom line is "Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen".. Look what happened when they did away with banks and usury.. judea declared war on them (as did their apologists), and they managed to turn around a totally bankrupt country in a matter of years, by circumventing the banks and incurring their wrath.

Look at the KDF programm (Kraft durch Freude) when annual holidays, cruises, cheap automobiles, 40 hour weeks, paid holidays etc. where introduced.

Official History on national-socialism is complete bullshit!!!!!

TPTB were terrified that germany, leading by example, was showing the way out of the banks grips and there you have the reason why bolshewism and communism was the arch-enemy and so many people volunteered to go and fight against communism.

Look at the photos.... ALL volunteers, and all fighting in the SS.

Where are all the blonde, blue-eyed, jew-gassing nazi's.. i've never met a single, NOT ONE!!, german who corroborates the official story. What i do find though is a lot of proud europeans and non-europeans, sacrificing their lives to keep europe communist-free.


Here's a few good books that helped me as i started to sieve through the bullshit.

"Tragödie um die Treue" by Wilhelm Tieke
"Die Freiwilligen der Waffen-SS" by Felix Steiner (General)
"In 80 Nahkampftagen... Als Kradschütze in der SS-"Totenkopf"" by Helmut Büch

Here's an almost complete list of evil, blonde & blue-eyed nazis..
oops.. my mistake: none are german, blonde, blue-eyed nor evil.

Freiwilligenlegion Niederlande - Dutch
Freiwilligenlegion Flandern – Flemish (Belgian)
Freikorps Dänemark - Danish
Freiwilligenlegion Norwegen - Norwegian
Finnisches Freiwilligenbataillon der Waffen-SS - Finland
Indische Legion (vorm. Indisches Infanterie-Regiment 950) – Indians
Britisches Freikorps – British
5. SS-Panzerdivision Wiking - Balkans, dutch, danish, norwegian, flemish
6. SS-Gebirgsdivision Nord – VHungarians, rumanians and norwegians
7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgsdivision Prinz Eugen – Croatians
11. SS-Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadierdivision Nordland – danish, norwegian, dutch, estonians, finnish, french, swedish, swiss and british
13. Waffen-Gebirgsdivision der SS Handschar (kroat. Nr. 1) – Bosnian moslems
14. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS (ukrainische Nr. 1) – Ukrainians
15. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS (lettische Nr. 1) – Latvians
18. SS-Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadierdivision Horst Wessel – Hungarians
19. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS (lettische Nr. 2) – Latvians
20. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS (estnische Nr. 1) – Estonians
21. Waffen-Gebirgsdivision der SS Skanderbeg – Albanians
22. SS-Freiwilligen-Kavalleriedivision Maria Theresia – Hungarians
23. Waffen-Gebirgsdivision der SS Kama (kroatische Nr. 2) – Bosnians, croatians
23. SS-Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadierdivision Nederland – dutch
24. SS-Gebirgsdivision Karstjäger – Tirol, Istria, Slovenia, croats, Serbs, Ukrainians
25. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS Hunyadi – hungarians
26. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS Hungaria – hungarians
27. SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadierdivision Langemarck – Flemish, finnishFinnen
28. SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadierdivision Wallonien – Wallonen
29. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS (russische Nr. 1) – Rusians
29. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS (italienische Nr. 1) – Italiens
30. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS (weißruthenische Nr. 1) – russians
31. Freiwilligen-Grenadierdivision – Volksdeutsche from Banat, Batschka und Siebenbürgen
33. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS Charlemagne – French
34. SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadierdivision Landstorm Nederland – dutch
37. SS-Freiwilligen-Kavalleriedivision Lützow – Teile der 22. SS … Maria Theresia
101. SS-Freiwilligenkompanie (span.) – Spanish
102. SS-Freiwilligenkompanie (span.) – Spanish
3. Kompanie SS-Aufklärungsabteilung 11 (Schwedenzug) – Sweden
XV. Kosakenkavalleriekorps – Cossacks

[sxmrx]

According to The USA - nothing at all as it seems.

[octopusrex]

A couple of my neighbours, all in there 80's, were in various SS-divisions, one even in the "totenkopf" and they've given me various books, all banned here in germany, to read.

It's fascinating stuff and at complete opposites to the official story.


Sadly, germany has this whole collective guilt thing going on due tp the one-sidedness of the official history narrative.. they should be fucking proud.. but nope.. they're ashamed.

How many here actually know that were jewish, croation, danish, estonian, norwegian, spanish, french, dutch, indian, african and many more volunteer SS-divisions????

http://woa2.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nazi_fail_2.jpg
http://woa2.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nazi_fail_3.jpg
http://woa2.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nazi_fail_4.jpg
http://woa2.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nazi_fail_5.jpg
http://woa2.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nazi_fail_6.jpg
http://woa2.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nazi_fail_8.jpg
http://woa2.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nazi_fail_10.jpg
http://woa2.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nazi_fail_12.jpg


The germans were fully aware of jewish complicity as regards the fucking mess the planet was in, then as now, and strove for betterment.. ie. they emphasized the positive. Of course the germans are a proud race, look at their achievements, look at their mathematicians, their physicians, inventors, poets, composers..imho the bottom line is "Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen".. Look what happened when they did away with banks and usury.. judea declared war on them (as did their apologists), and they managed to turn around a totally bankrupt country in a matter of years, by circumventing the banks and incurring their wrath.

Look at the KDF programm (Kraft durch Freude) when annual holidays, cruises, cheap automobiles, 40 hour weeks, paid holidays etc. where introduced.

Official History on national-socialism is complete bullshit!!!!!

TPTB were terrified that germany, leading by example, was showing the way out of the banks grips and there you have the reason why bolshewism and communism was the arch-enemy and so many people volunteered to go and fight against communism.

Look at the photos.... ALL volunteers, and all fighting in the SS.

Where are all the blonde, blue-eyed, jew-gassing nazi's.. i've never met a single, NOT ONE!!, german who corroborates the official story. What i do find though is a lot of proud europeans and non-europeans, sacrificing their lives to keep europe communist-free.


Here's a few good books that helped me as i started to sieve through the bullshit.

"Tragödie um die Treue" by Wilhelm Tieke
"Die Freiwilligen der Waffen-SS" by Felix Steiner (General)
"In 80 Nahkampftagen... Als Kradschütze in der SS-"Totenkopf"" by Helmut Büch

Here's an almost complete list of evil, blonde & blue-eyed nazis..
oops.. my mistake: none are german, blonde, blue-eyed nor evil.

Freiwilligenlegion Niederlande - Dutch
Freiwilligenlegion Flandern – Flemish (Belgian)
Freikorps Dänemark - Danish
Freiwilligenlegion Norwegen - Norwegian
Finnisches Freiwilligenbataillon der Waffen-SS - Finland
Indische Legion (vorm. Indisches Infanterie-Regiment 950) – Indians
Britisches Freikorps – British
5. SS-Panzerdivision Wiking - Balkans, dutch, danish, norwegian, flemish
6. SS-Gebirgsdivision Nord – VHungarians, rumanians and norwegians
7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgsdivision Prinz Eugen – Croatians
11. SS-Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadierdivision Nordland – danish, norwegian, dutch, estonians, finnish, french, swedish, swiss and british
13. Waffen-Gebirgsdivision der SS Handschar (kroat. Nr. 1) – Bosnian moslems
14. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS (ukrainische Nr. 1) – Ukrainians
15. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS (lettische Nr. 1) – Latvians
18. SS-Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadierdivision Horst Wessel – Hungarians
19. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS (lettische Nr. 2) – Latvians
20. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS (estnische Nr. 1) – Estonians
21. Waffen-Gebirgsdivision der SS Skanderbeg – Albanians
22. SS-Freiwilligen-Kavalleriedivision Maria Theresia – Hungarians
23. Waffen-Gebirgsdivision der SS Kama (kroatische Nr. 2) – Bosnians, croatians
23. SS-Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadierdivision Nederland – dutch
24. SS-Gebirgsdivision Karstjäger – Tirol, Istria, Slovenia, croats, Serbs, Ukrainians
25. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS Hunyadi – hungarians
26. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS Hungaria – hungarians
27. SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadierdivision Langemarck – Flemish, finnishFinnen
28. SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadierdivision Wallonien – Wallonen
29. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS (russische Nr. 1) – Rusians
29. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS (italienische Nr. 1) – Italiens
30. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS (weißruthenische Nr. 1) – russians
31. Freiwilligen-Grenadierdivision – Volksdeutsche from Banat, Batschka und Siebenbürgen
33. Waffen-Grenadierdivision der SS Charlemagne – French
34. SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadierdivision Landstorm Nederland – dutch
37. SS-Freiwilligen-Kavalleriedivision Lützow – Teile der 22. SS … Maria Theresia
101. SS-Freiwilligenkompanie (span.) – Spanish
102. SS-Freiwilligenkompanie (span.) – Spanish
3. Kompanie SS-Aufklärungsabteilung 11 (Schwedenzug) – Sweden
XV. Kosakenkavalleriekorps – Cossacks

I did most of my investigations about WWII during my racist stage in my teens. At the time, white supremacist views seems "logical" to me. Later in life, I grew up and began to understand the importance to go "beyond" simple racism.

Now I consider myself a racialist. Somebody who embraces diversity.

But that does not change my views about WWII. In fact, a huge machinery went into motion the moment Hitler was dead to demonize him and his political ideas. It had all to do with banking, government control and something like... racial honesty. The result of the catastrophe was the creation of the state of Israel.

Israel should and must continue to exist.

But how?

Is History is a lie written by Jewish victors, when the truth is told, will they have to pay in blood for their lie? Probably. Folks love vengance and blood-feuds.

Our worlds are too close to a third and terrible final catastrophe to start telling lies about the history of the previous war. I do not absolve the German people of their crimes, but neither do I absolve the Americans, the Russians and every body else. What can be said about Japan and China? Nanking? Hiroshima?

Until we stop demonizing National Socialists, we are ALL in trouble.

[alithinos]

National Socialism is an ideology that wants a sosialistic state,only for people of a certain nation.
The first move for a national socialistic state,would be the ethnic cleansing.
To send away from the country's territory people of another race/nation,the immigrants.

(This is forbided by international law as something against human rights)

After the population of the country is only of one nation,then to them applies the economical model of socialism.
What Hitler did,was to confiscate the wealth of private banks (that a big majority of the banks happened to be runned by jews),and he invested that money to create factories to give work to germans (the 30% of germany's population where unemployed) and he also created Germany's national road,the AutoBahn.
Actually Hitler realised socialism even better than Stalin did.
He created such laws,that he made Germany idepended from imports/exports and he denied the whole international economy and imports/exports system.
Germany had the resources to produce everything by itself,and didn't needed imports or exports.

But Socialism is banned too nowdays..
The WTC and IMF have forced countries to change their constitutions in such a way if someone ever wants to turn he's country to socialistic,then he will have to pay very large compensations to lots of organizations,and if he doesn't pay them,then sanctions or even war could make the country to come back to free market capitalism.

So,for the interests of big international corporations and for minority's rights,national socialism is banned from the world.

[octopusrex]

National Socialism is an ideology that wants a sosialistic state,only for people of a certain nation.
The first move for a national socialistic state,would be the ethnic cleansing.
To send away from the country's territory people of another race/nation,the immigrants.

(This is forbided by international law as something against human rights)

After the population of the country is only of one nation,then to them applies the economical model of socialism.
What Hitler did,was to confiscate the wealth of private banks (that a big majority of the banks happened to be runned by jews),and he invested that money to create factories to give work to germans (the 30% of germany's population where unemployed) and he also created Germany's national road,the AutoBahn.
Actually Hitler realised socialism even better than Stalin did.
He created such laws,that he made Germany idepended from imports/exports and he denied the whole international economy and imports/exports system.
Germany had the resources to produce everything by itself,and didn't needed imports or exports.

But Socialism is banned too nowdays..
The WTC and IMF have forced countries to change their constitutions in such a way if someone ever wants to turn he's country to socialistic,then he will have to pay very large compensations to lots of organizations,and if he doesn't pay them,then sanctions or even war could make the country to come back to free market capitalism.

So,for the interests of big international corporations and for minority's rights,national socialism is banned from the world.

Tribal socialism. Hmmm. Much to ponder there. GOod post.

[luciferhorus]

Come on..

Imagine Hitler as a pot-smokng multi-cultural hippie and give him a chance to rebuild Germany and such. FUCKING HEAVEN, man!

This is response to that STUPID ASS History Channel episode of the Nostradamus Effect on Hitler and his "occult" blood thinngie.

Tribal good.

Hitler and many of the leading Nazis "were" obsessed with the occult; there is an overwhelming amount of evidence which establishes that, but I say this not as a cricitism, since I too have always been similarly obsessed. At the lower echelons of Nazism, it was a political movement, but at it's higher levels it was clearly also a spiritual and Neopagan movement, however I make this comment as a Neoagan myself, not as a criticism. Frankly I believe that this was an important "missing element" in Marxism whch was rigidly materialistic; not that I believe that economic Communism should have anything to do with religion; on the contrary it should always be the enemy of organised religion and the priesthood, but Marxism's strict adherence to anti-spiritualism tended to alienate much of the world's population who are inherently spiritual themselves.

I can understand, from a Neo-pagan perspective the Nazi hatred of Soviet tyranny and materialism. The mistakes and lessons of Communist revolution are quite hard to bear as a Communist; never the less I see no other way for the 6 billion souls here to create heaven on earth other than collectivist revolution, the total eradication of Capitalism and indeed also the eradication of the disease of Nationalism which divides us.

With regards to "Imagine Hitler as a pot-smokng multi-cultural hippie" well I am certainly that pot smoking multi-cultural ex-hippie; ideologically I am far in advance of Hitler's genocidal tendencies and I have a distrust of the system of political dictatorship and am thoroughly Anarchist-Communist.

As Lenin argued, if half the world has to die in order that the remaining half can live in economic (i.e., Communist) paradise, then it would be morally justifiable; that is also my own view and unfortunately I suspect that this scenario may well come to pass in the apocalyptic wars and revolutions of the age to come.

The advantage of modern non-conventional weaponry is that any dictator of government can be and in time will be brought down by the world's smallest armies. The future world will be Anarchist and Communist or it will be drowned in blood, and wars and revolutions will continue until the last tyrant is strangled with the guts of the last priest.

Lux
Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution, etc.

[octopusrex]

Hitler and many of the leading Nazis "were" obsessed with the occult; there is an overwhelming amount of evidence which establishes that, but I say this not as a cricitism, since I too have always been similarly obsessed. At the lower echelons of Nazism, it was a political movement, but at it's higher levels it was clearly also a spiritual and Neopagan movement, however I make this comment as a Neoagan myself, not as a criticism. Frankly I believe that this was an important "missing element" in Marxism whch was rigidly materialistic; not that I believe that economic Communism should have anything to do with religion; on the contrary it should always be the enemy of organised religion and the priesthood, but Marxism's strict adherence to anti-spiritualism tended to alienate much of the world's population who are inherently spiritual themselves.

I can understand, from a Neo-pagan perspective the Nazi hatred of Soviet tyranny and materialism. The mistakes and lessons of Communist revolution are quite hard to bear as a Communist; never the less I see no other way for the 6 billion souls here to create heaven on earth other than collectivist revolution, the total eradication of Capitalism and indeed also the eradication of the disease of Nationalism which divides us.

With regards to "Imagine Hitler as a pot-smokng multi-cultural hippie" well I am certainly that pot smoking multi-cultural ex-hippie; ideologically I am far in advance of Hitler's genocidal tendencies and I have a distrust of the system of political dictatorship and am thoroughly Anarchist-Communist.

As Lenin argued, if half the world has to die in order that the remaining half can live in economic (i.e., Communist) paradise, then it would be morally justifiable; that is also my own view and unfortunately I suspect that this scenario may well come to pass in the apocalyptic wars and revolutions of the age to come.

The advantage of modern non-conventional weaponry is that any dictator of government can be and in time will be brought down by the world's smallest armies. The future world will be Anarchist and Communist or it will be drowned in blood, and wars and revolutions will continue until the last tyrant is strangled with the guts of the last priest.

Lux
Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution, etc.

I guess then I should ask you, are you a Leninist, Marxist, Stalinist or Comunal communist? See, I see the world as a tribal place where tribes form around common hatreds. A bit dark, this view of my universe, but lets consider the human handling of rodents and arachnids, and you get a bit of my drift. Humanity is a disease of the planet, kind of like a plague of fleas on the back of a really beautiful bitch. Eventually, the planet must take measures to rid herself of the irritants.

Hitler was probably a Gaian-Spirit inspired cure to the first outbreak of industrial growth.

On a lighter note, the only political model that makes sense to me would be Gengis Kahn. A nomadic empire with no centralized power structure. Attila comes to mind. Of course, it would do no good for this empire to be a consumer of resources. More like a clean-up crew.

A philosopher King acting world-wide could do the job.

[luciferhorus]

I guess then I should ask you, are you a Leninist, Marxist, Stalinist or Comunal communist? .

The most popular and rising political philosophy among anti-Capitalists in Europe is probably Anarcho-Communism, or anti-statist collectivism. That is a political philosophy I adhere to rather fundamentally. See my essay "What is Anarchism? Capital, Property, Will and Law." on:http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62778.


See, I see the world as a tribal place where tribes form around common hatreds. A bit dark, this view of my universe, but lets consider the human handling of rodents and arachnids, and you get a bit of my drift. Humanity is a disease of the planet, kind of like a plague of fleas on the back of a really beautiful bitch. Eventually, the planet must take measures to rid herself of the irritants.

I have a much more optimistic (in the long term) and positive view of humanity; I see the 6 billion people here as mostly victims trapped by the tyrannies of Capitalism, propertyism, nationalism (statism), and organised religion. I think the future world after the destruction and defeat of the various Capitalists and tyrants will be a more scientific and humanitarian world; but not of course "until the last tyrant has been strangled with the entrails of the last priest." I am also not a materialist, I consider the 6 billion people here to be inherently "divine "godlike."


A philosopher King acting world-wide could do the job.

Well what Plato was referring to as a "Philosopher King" was simply a highly educated aristocrat; of course that was an age of mass iliteracy where most of the population believed in primitive superstitions and were hardly "philosophers (from Philos: knowledge)" as Plato understood the term, which is why he considered the proletariat to be the "rabble," much like the football hooligans and gangsters of this age who are unlikely to contribute to the establishment of economic heaven.

There are numerous European monarchies today whose heads of state are aristocrats and whose educational levels are far in advance of the ancient Greeks; if one of them became a global king, I think this would resolve very little; it would just be a continuation of centuries of tyranny; further the aristocracy have been disempowered and our current International Dictatorship of Capitalism, if it has a central king, which is likely, is much more likely to be a philosopher banker.

The power of the philosopher's pens can shed more blood and outlive the memory of any tyrant or economic elite, who if remembered at all are often remembered with disdain. If history has a future "philosopher king" it would be far better that his political philosophy was remembered and adhered to, and that he the person of the philosopher would just a distant memory in the past, rather than a living tyrant.

Lux

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad man."

[octopusrex]

Lux.

When you place folks in power for a small period of time and you put unseen agents behind them to prop them and sustain them in that position, as is the case of capitalism, the result you get is a hidden oligarchy that has all of the powers of a tyrant and none of the responsabilities.

If you look at history, the only time folks really got it right was when an absolute tyrant took the reins of the known world and made it make sense for the little guy, as in the case of Alexander, Hitler and King Dritrahastra.

The fact is that when you have a group of folks with various interests in mind get together WITHOUT the leadership of a totally brutal, totally absolute monarch, they just head off into a variety of directions that make no sense except for their own interests.

The possibility of a ONE WORLD EMPIRE is higher now than it has ever been thanks to technology. I am quite certain the Atlanteans tried it once before and failed because they chose the wrong tyrant.

That was Zen, this is Tao.

What is undoubtable is that a variety of tyrants will try and take the chair. They have no reason no to do it. :D

[lizard_monkey]

When putting the word ''social'' into a Thesaurus, the happyness just rolls off the screen.

Main Entry: social
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: public, friendly
Synonyms: amusing, civil, collective, common, communal, communicative, community, companionable, convivial, cordial, diverting, entertaining, familiar, general, gracious, gregarious, group, hospitable, informative, mannerly, neighborly, nice, organized, pleasant, pleasurable, polished, polite, popular, sociable, societal

But place 3 little words at the end of the word ''social'' and boom ..

Main Entry: socialism
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: socialist government
Synonyms: Bolshevism, Fabianism, Leninism, Maoism, Marxism, collective ownership, collectivism, communism, state ownerhsip


Where all the happy Vibe go? Three little words, & thats all it took, and the rainbow cracked ??

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eYhrtDApDz8/Rw6Z0hxMT-I/AAAAAAAAATo/K2Q6CRlobeo/s400/vl_drawing_xx_small.jpg

[octopusrex]

When putting the word ''social'' into a Thesaurus, the happyness just rolls off the screen.

Main Entry: social
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: public, friendly
Synonyms: amusing, civil, collective, common, communal, communicative, community, companionable, convivial, cordial, diverting, entertaining, familiar, general, gracious, gregarious, group, hospitable, informative, mannerly, neighborly, nice, organized, pleasant, pleasurable, polished, polite, popular, sociable, societal

But place 3 little words at the end of the word ''social'' and boom ..

Main Entry: socialism
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: socialist government
Synonyms: Bolshevism, Fabianism, Leninism, Maoism, Marxism, collective ownership, collectivism, communism, state ownerhsip


Where all the happy Vibe go? Three little words, & thats all it took, and the rainbow cracked ??

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eYhrtDApDz8/Rw6Z0hxMT-I/AAAAAAAAATo/K2Q6CRlobeo/s400/vl_drawing_xx_small.jpg

Socialism. There's a lot of BAD stuff about it. Like, who decides how stuff is used? Who decides what is common good? Who keeps count?

A King is absolute owner of the people and land under his rule.

[ghosthack]

Yeah let's party like it's 1935 guys!

No thanks.

[baelsfire]

"The coldest of all cold monsters is known by the name, State.
It tells cold lies, as well; and this lie creeps from its mouth:
'I, the State, am the people.'" - Nietzsche

[lizard_monkey]

National Socialism - YouTube

[luciferhorus]

Lux.

When you place folks in power for a small period of time and you put unseen agents behind them to prop them and sustain them in that position, as is the case of capitalism, the result you get is a hidden oligarchy that has all of the powers of a tyrant and none of the responsabilities.

If you look at history, the only time folks really got it right was when an absolute tyrant took the reins of the known world and made it make sense for the little guy, as in the case of Alexander, Hitler and King Dritrahastra.

The fact is that when you have a group of folks with various interests in mind get together WITHOUT the leadership of a totally brutal, totally absolute monarch, they just head off into a variety of directions that make no sense except for their own interests.


You are essentially just making an argument for tyranny. Until the French and American revolutions of the 18th century, the entire political history of humankind, with very few rare exceptions is a history of varius forms of tyranny and especially monarchy, and by monarchy (the rule of one person), I don't just refer to the "nation states" of the modern world but to localised monarchies such as the Medieval Feudal system or the Indian Fuedal system where India, like Europe was divided into many competng regional dictatorships . We may be able to say that some dictators were better than other dictators, but that is about it. We can then go on to say that a dictator with a specific ideology, such as Nazism or Communism may be better or worse than other types of dictatorships, however the problem of dictatorship is such that once in power, the dictator can do anything he likes, irrespective of his ideological promises and propaganda; thus while ideological Nazism and totalitarian forms of Communism may be ideolocally attractive to some persons, since they appeal to the human concept of a "perfect" or "fair" or at least "progressive" society, they all tend to revert to the ideology and intent of a single person; thus more progressive forms of socialism, such as Anarcho-Communism and even the "racialist (although I am not a racialist)" Nationalist Anarchists (see http://www.folkandfaith.com/articles/anarchy.shtml who compise of many former Neo-Nazis are more "democratic" in the sense that in their ideology there would be no dictator and indeed ultimately no government or police state.

WITHOUT the leadership of a totally brutal, totally absolute monarch, they just head off into a variety of directions that make no sense except for their own interests.


"For every slave a master, and for every master a slave; neither slaves nor masters be......no gods , no masters."

A slave works for the interests and benefit of the slave's master. A free person lives entirely according to their own will; that is part of human nature; a slave will generally always wish to be free; whereas the slave master will generally always wish to enslave others to his own will and desire. A more progressive and free society would require neither slaves nor masters.

Religion and government have generally always been means to control, subdue / make submissive and enslave a population and make them subservient to the will of the military and economic elites.

Lux

http://www.capveterans.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/fuck_the_troops.jpg

[octopusrex]

You are essentially just making an argument for tyranny. Until the French and American revolutions of the 18th century, the entire political history of humankind, with very few rare exceptions is a history of varius forms of tyranny and especially monarchy, and by monarchy (the rule of one person), I don't just refer to the "nation states" of the modern world but to localised monarchies such as the Medieval Feudal system or the Indian Fuedal system where India, like Europe was divided into many competng regional dictatorships . We may be able to say that some dictators were better than other dictators, but that is about it. We can then go on to say that a dictator with a specific ideology, such as Nazism or Communism may be better or worse than other types of dictatorships, however the problem of dictatorship is such that once in power, the dictator can do anything he likes, irrespective of his ideological promises and propaganda; thus while ideological Nazism and totalitarian forms of Communism may be ideolocally attractive to some persons, since they appeal to the human concept of a "perfect" or "fair" or at least "progressive" society, they all tend to revert to the ideology and intent of a single person; thus more progressive forms of socialism, such as Anarcho-Communism and even the "racialist (although I am not a racialist)" Nationalist Anarchists (see http://www.folkandfaith.com/articles/anarchy.shtml who compise of many former Neo-Nazis are more "democratic" in the sense that in their ideology there would be no dictator and indeed ultimately no government or police state.


"For every slave a master, and for every master a slave; neither slaves nor masters be......no gods , no masters."

A slave works for the interests and benefit of the slave's master. A free person lives entirely according to their own will; that is part of human nature; a slave will generally always wish to be free; whereas the slave master will generally always wish to enslave others to his own will and desire. A more progressive and free society would require neither slaves nor masters.

Religion and government have generally always been means to control, subdue / make submissive and enslave a population and make them subservient to the will of the military and economic elites.

Lux

http://www.capveterans.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/fuck_the_troops.jpg

And yet we both know human nature is elitist. Hence, no matter how egalitarian the system becomes, eventually, smart folks will start to have stupid folks work for them.

Yes, I suppose my argument is for a benevolent tyranny. :D

[lyricusmagna]

And yet we both know human nature is elitist. Hence, no matter how egalitarian the system becomes, eventually, smart folks will start to have stupid folks work for them.

Yes, I suppose my argument is for a benevolent tyranny. :D

You won't have such a thing in a RBE societal model.

[octopusrex]

You won't have such a thing in a RBE societal model.

RBE?:confused:

[bjornyvan]

National Socialism, as it was formulated (early 1920's) and applied by the Germans 1933-1945 certainly wasn't all bad. Just look at what the German Nazis achieved in that short time. I see many good things in that system. The most significant being those that pertain to the economy and industry. A big point of course: to ban usury and kick out parasites and foreigners that just want to exploit and manipulate the country.

Read:

"The Programme of the German Workers' Party is designed to be of limited duration. The leaders have no intention, once the aims announced in it have been achieved, of establishing fresh ones, merely in order to increase, artificially, the discontent of the masses and so ensure the continued existence of the Party.

1. We demand the union of all Germany in a Greater Germany on the basis of the right of national self-determination.

2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the peace treaties of Versailles and Saint-Germain.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle our surplus population.

4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the State. Only those of German blood, whatever be their creed, may be members of the nation. Accordingly, no Jew may be a member of the nation.

5. Non-citizens may live in Germany only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens.

6. The right to vote on the State's government and legislation shall be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand therefore that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, in the states or in the smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.

We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations, and without reference to character or abilities.

7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich.

8. All non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after 2 August 1914 shall be required to leave the Reich forthwith.

9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.

10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.

We demand therefore:

11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.

The breaking of the slavery of interest

12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.

15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.

17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. *

18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.

20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.

21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.

22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a people's army.

23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a German national press we demand:

(a) that all editors of, and contributors to newspapers appearing in the German language must be members of the nation;
(b) that no non-German newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be printed in the German language;
(c) that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspaper, and the immediate deportation of the non-Germans involved.

The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.

24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence not offend the moral feelings of the German race.

The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not commit itself to any particular denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest.

25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.

The leaders of the Party promise to work ruthlessly -- if need be to sacrifice their very lives -- to translate this programme into action.


* On April 13, 1928, Adolf Hitler clarified section seventeen in the programme in order to stop political mischaracterizations: "Because of the mendacious interpretations on the part of our opponents of Point 17 of the programme of the NSDAP, the following explanation is necessary.: Since the NSDAP is fundamentally based on the principle of private property, it is obvious that the expression "confiscation without compensation" refers merely to the creation of possible legal means of confiscating when necessary, land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare. It is therefore directed in the first instance against the Jewish companies which speculate in land."

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When we're discussing National Socialism, however, we should make clear whether it's the historical German National Socialism we're discussing - or National Socialism as a more "timeless" ideology or political system that could be applied anywhere. The German National Socialism certainly had some qualities that were so to speak indigenous to that time and place in history - the German people's fight for reclaiming and reuniting their homeland and their "worship" of the German/Aryan race and culture.

But look at f.ex China today. Or Vietnam. Just to name some examples of countries that have a political system quite similar to the system Nazi Germany had.

Some say modern USA is Nazi, but I disagree. The USA today is a dictatorship ruled by multinational corporations, an international power syndicate and international bankers. And this isn't Nazi. Nazi would mean that the ruling power sits with the US government and that the US corporations in turn are controlled by the government and serve the government - and in extension the land and people. A Nazi regime would not outsource its jobs and pump in millions of immigrants. Neither would it let its politics be dictated by international Jewry, international bankers and international organizations of all kinds - or let foreigners sit in its administration.

[oisin888]

Seems to have done wonders for the Germans (except for the tidbit about the master race and such).

Oh My God

This is what TV does to people?

*shudder*

[flyermay]

Actually, I am much more interested in a discussion of National Socialism as a tool to rebuild nations, say like MEXICO. Seems to have done wonders for the Germans (except for the tidbit about the master race and such).

You want to rebuild Mexico, Nazi style?... Then convince your government to start asking like crazy for investment from the Federel Reserve, the Bank of England, and the Bank for International Settlements (that one's gone now, but you have the IMF and the World Bank in its place)... that's how Germany rebuilt the country; though I don't think I need to tell how Hitler's master plan for repayment ended. :rolleyes:

[bjornyvan]

You want to rebuild Mexico, Nazi style?... Then convince your government to start asking like crazy for investment from the Federel Reserve, the Bank of England, and the Bank for International Settlements (that one's gone now, but you have the IMF and the World Bank in its place)... that's how Germany rebuilt the country; though I don't think I need to tell how Hitler's master plan for repayment ended. :rolleyes:

No. That's not at all how Hitler rebuilt Germany. You should be ashamed about your ignorance.

If you can be bothered: http://www.nogw.com/download2/-9_hitlers_freedom_from_debt_slavery.pdf

Maybe you should also read that NSDAP program which I posted. There you can read what Nazi means. Or meant - in 1924 in Germany.

And I urge you to in general do more research.

http://www.biblestudysite.com/judea%20declares%20war%20-800px.jpg

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Mexico? I guess Mexico's built on drug money. And whoever's running Mexico seems to be happy with that - or he/she/they would have decriminalized narcotics.

[flyermay]

No. That's not at all how Hitler rebuilt Germany. You should be ashamed about your ignorance.

If you can be bothered: http://www.nogw.com/download2/-9_hitlers_freedom_from_debt_slavery.pdf

Maybe you should also read that NSDAP program which I posted. There you can read what Nazi means. Or meant - in 1924 in Germany.

And I urge you to in general do more research.

Says the history expert who hasn't even noticed.... THERE WAS A FRICKING HOLOCAUST!!!! :D

[akana]

Do not confuse national socialists with empty headed skinheads, KKK members or other movements who use the Swastika as their symbol
Long live the national socialist movement, long live Europe!

[flyermay]

Do not confuse national socialists with empty headed skinheads, KKK members or other movements who use the Swastika as their symbol
Long live the national socialist movement, long live Europe!

No, I'm not confusing it; I don't know if bjornyvan is a skinhead... but I know he is a Neo-Nazi, simply because he said so.

Off topic... I'm curious: do you also deny the holocaust, like him?

[akana]

No, I'm not confusing it; I don't know if bjornyvan is a skinhead... but I know he is a Neo-Nazi, simply because he said so.

Off topic... I'm curious: do you also deny the holocaust, like him?

proudly so

but i also worship a black jah...

[flyermay]

proudly so

but i also worship a black jah...

Why proudly?

Doesn't that imply you have a personal interest in it being a hoax?

[akana]

Why proudly?

Doesn't that imply you have a personal interest in it being a hoax?

proud holocaust denier

i dont know bout the second statement

[flyermay]

proud holocaust denier

i dont know bout the second statement

Yes, but what exactly makes you proud... finding that the Nazis were not so bad, for example?

With the second question I mean: if you are a proud holocaust denier, it implies that you favour the theory of it being a hoax, and therefore, that you are predisposed towards believing it was a hoax. Basically, you want it to be a hoax; therefore you believe it's a hoax.

I for example don't care... I have no personal interest whether it was a hoax or not; so I don't care what the evidences will show.

[akana]

Yes, but what exactly makes you proud... finding that the Nazis were not so bad, for example?

With the second question I mean: if you are a proud holocaust denier, it implies that you favour the theory of it being a hoax, and therefore, that you are predisposed towards believing it was a hoax. Basically, you want it to be a hoax; therefore you believe it's a hoax.

I for example don't care... I have no personal interest whether it was a hoax or not; so I don't care what the evidences will show.

Oh yes, I care very much

proud because i openly deny it,. and vice versa

[flyermay]

Oh yes, I care very much

proud because i openly deny it,. and vice versa

Do you think other Neo-Nazis feel like you... that they are proud holocaust deniers, or they are just holocaust deniers that don't care?

[akana]

Do you think other Neo-Nazis feel like you... that they are proud holocaust deniers, or they are just holocaust deniers that don't care?

Some care, some are empty and don't even know

[lizzyking]

Rainbows, Doomsdays and much much more: the asylum also known as the David Icke Forum. Everyday is a choice. Laugh, or run away screaming.


Nazi Girlfriend: Iggy Pop - YouTube
http://youtu.be/b_zeaKWPEkQ

[bjornyvan]

The disgusting anti-German hatred is everywhere. I was going to watch the new X-men film, but what do I see? Oh, monstrous Nazigermans being evil to poor concentrationcampers in striped pyjamas.

http://www.onlinemovieshut.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/watch-x-men-first-class-online.jpg

The propaganda is everywhere and it never ends.

Ask yourself: Why is it so extremely important for the Hollywoodjews to always attack white nationalists?

[flyermay]

The disgusting anti-German hatred is everywhere.

"anti-German" or "anti-Nazi"?... or are you implying that all Germans are Nazis?

[bjornyvan]

I'm not implying anything. The Jews in Hollywood, however, have for a very long time ..implied.. that Germans are evil psychopaths who tickle people to death and turn them into lampshades.

Nazi? Nazi = anyone who dislikes the Jews' ambition for total world domination.

[flyermay]

I'm not implying anything. The Jews in Hollywood, however, have for a very long time ..implied.. that Germans are evil psychopaths who tickle people to death and turn them into lampshades.

Nazi? Nazi = anyone who dislikes the Jews' ambition for total world domination.

Got it wrong again... those are Jew-haters. :rolleyes:

[bjornyvan]

Typical anti-semite:

http://www.whale.to/b/ztn16.jpg

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/index.html

[rodin]

Setting People Free

What was Margaret Thatcher talking about? She said she was setting people free. What she meant was that she was setting people free from the Jewish capitalist system. That is unpopular capitalism a capitalist model that is run by a minority of very wealth Jewish bankers.
Her anti-dote was National Socialism. In that the state was the modus opirandi for setting people free by the introduction of popular capitalism. This was the model of capitalism that set people free from those that lend money for profit. It worked as it was genius.
First of all Margaret Thatcher believed in mass share ownership. And put it into practice. There were millions of people that became share owners under her prestigious leadership. The capitalist system was rigged by an elected government so that people could pay off mortgages and get out of debt to money lenders. And then they could pass on the houses to their children so that they could indulge in capitalism with capital to start with. People were buying shares in the companies they worked for and so were paid dividends on the profits they helped generate.
It was a fascist ideology that provided a workable mechanism for the socialist ideal of reaping the full fruits of your labour.
People were doing so well out of the system they were free to retire at 50 and had capital that they could pass on to their children so that they could start businesses with out debt and if it all went wrong they owned a house outright so would not make themselves homeless in the process of their first go at becoming an entrepreneur.
At last mass property and share ownership became a reality and popular capitalism was a success.
Then came Tony Blair and New Labour.
The first thing they did to get rid of freedom was to put up taxes. This affected the stock market and made private pension under perform so that people that had saved up could no longer set themselves free of the need to labour at the age of about 50.
The big money moved into housing as the returns were not available in the stock market. This sent up the price of houses, making them unreachable for the majority of aspiring Britons (Thatcher's people). It made many millionaires on paper but did nothing for the primary purpose of housing:-To put a roof over your head.
The manufacturing sector that was growing up until 1997 went into rapid decline as the country could no longer use its educational advantage to compete with countries like China. The weight of taxes was too much.
This put up unemployment sharply but the state did what no state should do. They created an army of non-job civil servants to soak up the unemployed. This created the need for even higher taxes to pay the wages. Like the old coal and steel industries of the 1970s except instead of producing coal and steel at a loss, they produced nothing except for state interference in people’s lives. A new red army of cost items whose purpose was to hide the unemployment figures and increase the power of the state to interfere with people’s freedom.
The New Labour party were opposed to freedom from the sate as well as freedom from money lenders. So social services became empowered to haul people off to the old folk’s home and sell their houses to stop them reaching the nirvana of freedom. They would be no rung on the ladder for their children; they were to be recycled into the mortgage sector.
Then came inheritance tax, so that the hardy that stuck it out long enough to die their own homes could not pass houses on to their children. The house had to be sold to pay the tax bill.
We even encourage debt by doing the shopping. Personal debt is at a record high. But here the state is not to blame. It is individual choice that has allowed the irresponsible to run up huge debts. It is a democracy after all and people voted for a government that is intent on taking freedom away. They voted for life long slavery to money lenders. And that is what they have got.
But then along came George Bush with his 9/11 atrocity.
This was designed to give the Jewish capitalist system an excuse to attack Islam as it is against the law in Islam to lend money for profit.
That is the theme and reasons behind it. The Bilderberg group were responsible for 9/11.
It is not Islam that they dislike but the popular capitalism. As seen when they tried to use their media power to topple the elected government of Belarus.
Alexander Lukashenko is the Belarus' answer to Thatcher. They have popular capitalism and 2% unemployment. They have 5% fixed interest rate mortgages and have a home owning democracy.
Belarus is not being run in the interests of unpopular capitalism and so false allegations of electoral fraud were made in a bid to topple the government that people in Belarus had voted for. The truth is not a conspiracy theory. The truth is Lukashenko is popular and so people keep voting for him.
Iran is only providing an excuse for America to attack them by developing nuclear facilities. But the reader should be aware that the motive to invade Iran is not weapons of mass destruction but the New World Order's desire to sweep away Islamic capitalism and install unpopular capitalism in its place.
In third world counties you can see unpopular capitalism at its worst. People live hand to mouth fending off debt that they have no choice but to take on to grow crops. They have no opportunity to get out of debt and reach the nirvana of having their own capital and so the freedom to invest without debt. Or even enough capital to meet their subsistence needs.
It is the same in the UK.
The capitalist system is rigged so that most people can not meet their basic needs for housing and food without becoming a slave to money lenders. The gap between rich and poor is wider than ever.
Democracy could remedy the situation but for that a Conservative Party leader of vision and courage that is incorruptible and genuinely out for the people needs to come along.
Not someone that colludes in bogus terrorism to help spread the unelected march of unpopular capitalism around the world.
Written By Robert Alexander Jones 12/11/07

That was pretty good actually

In the end Thatcher was smothered by the Jews around her within and without her party

[rodin]

When Hitler came to power, Germany was hopelessly broke. The Treaty of Versailles had imposed
crushing reparations on the German people, demanding that Germans repay every nation’s costs of the
war. These costs totaled three times the value of all the property in Germany. Private currency speculators
caused the German mark to plummet, precipitating one of the worst runaway inflations in modern times. A
wheelbarrow full of 100 billion-mark banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread. The national treasury was
empty. Countless homes and farms were lost to speculators and to private banks. Germans lived in hovels.
They were starving.

Nothing like this had ever happened before - the total destruction of the national currency, plus the wiping
out of people’s savings and businesses. On top of this came a global depression. Germany had no choice
but to succumb to debt slavery under international bankers until 1933, when the National Socialists came
to power.

At that point the German government thwarted the international banking cartels by issuing its own money.
World Jewry responded by declaring a global boycott against Germany. Hitler began a national credit
program by devising a plan of public works that included flood control, repair of public buildings and
private residences, and construction of new roads, bridges, canals, and port facilities. All these were paid
for with money that no longer came from the private international bankers.
The projected cost of these various programs was fixed at one billion units of the national currency. To pay
for this, the German government (not the international bankers) issued bills of exchange, called Labor
Treasury Certificates. In this way the National Socialists put millions of people to work, and paid them
with Treasury Certificates. Under the National Socialists, Germany’s money wasn’t backed by gold (which
was owned by the international bankers). It was essentially a receipt for labor and materials delivered to
the government. Hitler said, “For every mark issued, we required the equivalent of a mark’s worth of work
done, or goods produced.” The government paid workers in Certificates. Workers spent those Certificates
on other goods and services, thus creating more jobs for more people. In this way the German people
climbed out of the crushing debt imposed on them by the international bankers.

Poke The Eye.ORG http://www.poketheeye.org/?p=210

1 of 5 5/11/2009 6:44 AM

Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved, and Germany was back on its feet. It had a
solid, stable currency, with no debt, and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States
and other Western countries (controlled by international bankers) were still out of work. Within five years,
Germany went from the poorest nation in Europe to the richest. Germany even managed to restore foreign
trade, despite the international bankers’ denial of foreign credit to Germany, and despite the global boycott
by Jewish-owned industries. Germany succeeded in this by exchanging equipment and commodities
directly with other countries, using a barter system that cut the bankers out of the picture. Germany
flourished, since barter eliminates national debt and trade deficits.

http://www.nogw.com/download2/-9_hitlers_freedom_from_debt_slavery.pdf

My emphasis

Note

It is always difficult to have a discussion on the topic of WW II Germany, and Hitler, without having
emotions run high.And Understandably so. We do not believe that there is a world plot in place by those of
the Jewish faith to dominate the world. We do however suspect that there is a plot in place by the major
financiers and financial institutions, to control.

Bold - Organised Jewry + freemasonic shabbos goy

[bjornyvan]

Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved, and Germany was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, with no debt

Hitler was expected by the international bankers to continue to pay off the debt from WWI, was he not? I understand that he simply declared the debt invalid and so refused to pay?

[andyh]

Actually, I am much more interested in a discussion of National Socialism as a tool to rebuild nations, say like MEXICO. Seems to have done wonders for the Germans (except for the tidbit about the master race and such).

Do you know what it is besides some vague notion about a 'benevolent dictator'?

[sparkplug]

Don't forget that the USA also helped to rebuild Germany after WW1 and a lot of money was pumped into Germany from Wall Street. That could help to explain why the country suddenly went from poverty to one of the richest in Europe.

In one way maybe the National Socialists were right when they told the bankers to fuck off, and that is partly why war was declared on Germany due to them pulling out of the world banking system.

All the countries that were run by the bankers thought they would feed on German money for a long time and obviously they were wrong.

I don't think Capitalism works, and I don't think Communism works either. Look as the west at the moment, every country owes a fortune to the banks. In the 90s all the communist states and the USSR simply fell apart.

China is still classed as a communist country yet it is capitalist in many ways. Of course everything is made there as labour is so cheap.

National Socialism will always be associated with Nazi Germany, and as such it will be associated with Adolf Hitler. People will not want to be associated with him so no party will ever say that they are a National Socialist party.

There are many good points with National Socialism, especially breaking away from the banks and the banksters being the main one.

[flyermay]

Every single ideology has good and bad things... in fact, most of them have most of it in common, since they all evolved from the same roots. But we don't chose an ideology just because it has some good things, we chose it looking at both good and bad things; in fact, most of us chose it looking at which one is the least bad. It happens that Nazism (as well as all other authoritarian and militaristic ideologies) outweights most other ideologies in bads, which way outweights the few good things it has.

[bjornyvan]

Don't forget that the USA also helped to rebuild Germany after WW1

No, the USA did not help to rebuild Germany after WWI.

Take a look: http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7072&start=0

Adolf Hitler rebuilt Germany. Starting in 1933.

Learn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcZ7XaCU-O8

[flyermay]

No, the USA did not help to rebuild Germany after WWI.

Take a look: http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7072&start=0

Adolf Hitler rebuilt Germany. Starting in 1933.

Learn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcZ7XaCU-O8

LOL

He's quoting a posters from another forum and a YouTuber called "Doom Axe" to teach us about history... this is a new low!!! :D

Here, read a bit of real history:

http://www.fluoridationfacts.com/images/c_wallst_nazi.jpg

Or if you prefer something more mainstream, you can also have a look at Paul Elston's "Banking with Hitler"; which describes how Germany was rebuilt with money from the Federal Reserve, the Bank of England, and the BIS (Bank for International Settlements):

http://www.nabilnet.net/cms/images/Documentary/5633.jpg

“The international German bankers have subsidized the present Government of Germany and they have also supplied every dollar of the money Adolph Hitler has used in his lavish campaign to build up a threat to the government of Bruening. When Bruening fails to obey the orders of the German International Bankers, Hitler is brought forth to scare the Germans into submission. Through the Federal Reserve Board… over $30 billions of American money… has been pumped into Germany… You have all heard of the spending that has taken place in Germany… modernistic dwellings, her great planetariums, her gymnasiums, her swimming pools, her fine public highways, her perfect factories. All this was done on our money. All this was given to Germany through the Federal Reserve Board. The Federal Reserve Board… has pumped so many billions of dollars into Germany that they dare not name the total.”

Louis T. McFadden (US House Representative from Pennsylvania)

[andyh]

Do you know what it is besides some vague notion about a 'benevolent dictator'?

I guess not then, lol :)

[bjornyvan]

No, the claim that "Wall Street funded Hitler" is not correct. You need to read this: http://www.poketheeye.org/?p=210

Actually read it.

But I guess that is too much to ask.

[hadabusa]

well, any political ideology is wrong if an utter madman is on top of it.

[flyermay]

No, the claim that "Wall Street funded Hitler" is not correct. You need to read this: http://www.poketheeye.org/?p=210

Actually read it.

But I guess that is too much to ask.

You got me!!! If "Poke the Eye" says so, then it must be true!!! :rolleyes:

I found a blog where it says Hitler was a Rothschild... Actually, David Icke researched it, and it's true!!!... what do you think? :eek:

[akana]

Ask yourself: Why is it so extremely important for the Hollywoodjews to always attack white nationalists?

Precisely...

[flyermay]

well, any political ideology is wrong if an utter madman is on top of it.

Definitely!!! :D

[flyermay]

This is an absolutely must for eveyone on this thread... listen and you will see why.

William Cooper- Bill speaks to Aryan Skinhead (start @ 10:00)
William Cooper- Bill speaks to Aryan Skinhead - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T-EZ4YxYUA

[hadabusa]

National Socialism, as it was formulated (early 1920's) and applied by the Germans 1933-1945 certainly wasn't all bad. Just look at what the German Nazis achieved in that short time. I see many good things in that system. The most significant being those that pertain to the economy and industry. A big point of course: to ban usury and kick out parasites and foreigners that just want to exploit and manipulate the country.

Read:

"The Programme of the German Workers' Party is designed to be of limited duration. The leaders have no intention, once the aims announced in it have been achieved, of establishing fresh ones, merely in order to increase, artificially, the discontent of the masses and so ensure the continued existence of the Party.

1. We demand the union of all Germany in a Greater Germany on the basis of the right of national self-determination.

2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the peace treaties of Versailles and Saint-Germain.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle our surplus population.

4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the State. Only those of German blood, whatever be their creed, may be members of the nation. Accordingly, no Jew may be a member of the nation.

5. Non-citizens may live in Germany only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens.

6. The right to vote on the State's government and legislation shall be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand therefore that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, in the states or in the smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.

We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations, and without reference to character or abilities.

7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich.

8. All non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after 2 August 1914 shall be required to leave the Reich forthwith.

9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.

10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.

We demand therefore:

11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.

The breaking of the slavery of interest

12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.

15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.

17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. *

18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.

20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.

21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.

22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a people's army.

23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a German national press we demand:

(a) that all editors of, and contributors to newspapers appearing in the German language must be members of the nation;
(b) that no non-German newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be printed in the German language;
(c) that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspaper, and the immediate deportation of the non-Germans involved.

The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.

24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence not offend the moral feelings of the German race.

The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not commit itself to any particular denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest.

25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.

The leaders of the Party promise to work ruthlessly -- if need be to sacrifice their very lives -- to translate this programme into action.


* On April 13, 1928, Adolf Hitler clarified section seventeen in the programme in order to stop political mischaracterizations: "Because of the mendacious interpretations on the part of our opponents of Point 17 of the programme of the NSDAP, the following explanation is necessary.: Since the NSDAP is fundamentally based on the principle of private property, it is obvious that the expression "confiscation without compensation" refers merely to the creation of possible legal means of confiscating when necessary, land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare. It is therefore directed in the first instance against the Jewish companies which speculate in land."

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When we're discussing National Socialism, however, we should make clear whether it's the historical German National Socialism we're discussing - or National Socialism as a more "timeless" ideology or political system that could be applied anywhere. The German National Socialism certainly had some qualities that were so to speak indigenous to that time and place in history - the German people's fight for reclaiming and reuniting their homeland and their "worship" of the German/Aryan race and culture.

But look at f.ex China today. Or Vietnam. Just to name some examples of countries that have a political system quite similar to the system Nazi Germany had.

Some say modern USA is Nazi, but I disagree. The USA today is a dictatorship ruled by multinational corporations, an international power syndicate and international bankers. And this isn't Nazi. Nazi would mean that the ruling power sits with the US government and that the US corporations in turn are controlled by the government and serve the government - and in extension the land and people. A Nazi regime would not outsource its jobs and pump in millions of immigrants. Neither would it let its politics be dictated by international Jewry, international bankers and international organizations of all kinds - or let foreigners sit in its administration.

youre listing this-in retrospective to history-as good things?

is this a parody?i cant tell:confused:

[bjornyvan]

youre listing this-in retrospective to history-as good things?

is this a parody?i cant tell:confused: (about the NSDAP program)

No, no parody. Read the 25 points and think about them. I'm not agreeing with all of them myself, but I think about half of them are excellent.

I hope you are aware, of course, that the so-called "Holocaust" never happened. And that, in fact, Jews were treated very well by the Germans although they were declared enemies of the State.

Blacks were also treated with respect in Nazi Germany. Read about Jesse Owens: http://www.german-way.com/famous-jesse-owens.html

Or watch this short video: Black People in Nazi Germany - YouTube

Addition: Here we are at the crux of the problem, really. Without understanding that "the Holocaust" is a big fat lie and that everything we have been told about Nazi Germany, and in fact the entire history of Europe for the last 150 years is wrong, the NSDAP program is hard to understand.

Take a look at this video where "Nazi" Ernst Zündel interviews his friend, a French Jewish professor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=purWmOFl8qc

Finally, it must be said that without actually spending a lot of time on reading documents and research, and watching such videos (even read books!), it is not possible to understand such a difficult topic as Nazi Germany and its anti-Jewish/anti-Bolshevik policies and the whole of WWII.

[hadaka_jimmy]

Fascism is the only way forward. The only system for government that can work for human beings in our current stage of evolution is a strong dictatorship.

[bjornyvan]

Or: people wake up and take responsibilty for the future themselves. To me that's a better alternative.

The problem with fascism is: What if the guy who's in power doesn't deserve to be in power? What if he takes everybody down the wrong path?

So - I think there's a big problem with centralized power.

Remember that the German national socialist movement really was a grass roots movement. That's what we need today, I think: a new and powerful grass roots movement. With a big leader on top? Sure, no problem, as long as this is a leader which really represents the interests of the people.

In the USA I think Ron Paul could be such a leader for such a grass roots movement. If only he had enough people behind him.

Today I think it's impossible to take power by force. An armed revolution or something like that. I think nobody would stand a chance against the hi-tech and very powerful military-industrial complex which rules the West today.

Addition: To me the American system, as it was formulated and implemented in 1776, really is the perfect system. Or as close as it's possible to get to a perfect system. I especially like the point about limiting the power of the government. But of course - such a system can only work in a republic of responsible and alert people. And today ... as I'm sure you're aware - this is far from the case. People are sleeping so deeply. But how can a "good fascist leader" emerge? I think the only way is through the legal/democratic process. He/she must be elected to rule by the people. Nobody can just pop up and take the power. It's impossible.

[andyh]

Or: people wake up and take responsibilty for the future themselves. To me that's a better alternative.

Correct.


The problem with fascism is: What if the guy who's in power doesn't deserve to be in power? What if he takes everybody down the wrong path?


Here's the dig...there's no such thing as a benevolent dictator, nor will there ever be.
All of the people at the top no matter what field they are in are almost exclusively psychopathic nutjobs. It is the nature of the system and completely unavoidable.
If you are a nice guy you never get anywhere in life.
It is the system itself that has to change and we must evolve to overcome it.
Democracy and the entire socio-economic system is failing. The ruthless bastards at the top know this damn well which is why they're taking steps to do away with any 'pretence' to freedom.

[eternal_spirit]

No, the claim that "Wall Street funded Hitler" is not correct. You need to read this: http://www.poketheeye.org/?p=210

Actually read it.

But I guess that is too much to ask.

Indeed people really do need to educate themselves and stop believing any old shite they read from racist anti Germanics and those ignorant of facts.

[hadaka_jimmy]

Or: people wake up and take responsibilty for the future themselves. To me that's a better alternative.

The problem with fascism is: What if the guy who's in power doesn't deserve to be in power? What if he takes everybody down the wrong path?

So - I think there's a big problem with centralized power.



Of course it would be preferable for people to wake and take responsibility. But do you honesty think people in today's society are that kind of person?

We live in an increasing blame culture, everyone blames someone, or something for their economic or social position. This is why we need a return to common sense.

Many people think Hitler took Germany down the wrong path especially after years of vilification. But if a dictator was to take power then by default he or she would automatically deserve to be in that position with regards to ability and aptitude.

[flyermay]

Indeed people really do need to educate themselves and stop believing any old shite they read from racist anti Germanics and those ignorant of facts.

Yeah, people need to read "Poke the eye" to educate themselves... :D

[bjornyvan]

Of course it would be preferable for people to wake and take responsibility. But do you honesty think people in today's society are that kind of person?

We live in an increasing blame culture, everyone blames someone, or something for their economic or social position. This is why we need a return to common sense.

Many people think Hitler took Germany down the wrong path especially after years of vilification. But if a dictator was to take power then by default he or she would automatically deserve to be in that position with regards to ability and aptitude.

In my view Hitler was an excellent leader. The best one I can think of in modern history. Actually, I think Hitler is as close as one can come to a benevolent dictator. I think Saddam Hussein was quite alright too. Gadafi, Chavez, Castro, Putin and that Iranian president as well. Of course each of those guys have their flaws, but I'd say they're still much better leaders than the guys who are running things in Europe and the USA today.

So yes, I think we probably agree that dictators aren't necessarily a bad thing. Or only a bad thing.

I believe Hitler's regime wold've been too totalitarian for me though. I'm not sure if I would have liked it. Then again - it's hard to know since I wasn't there at the time.

Yep - people are sleeping very deeply. But maybe more people are starting to wake up now - as their lives become less comfortable than before, and they become more and more disillusioned with the old, corrupt system, and want to have it replaced by something better.

[eternal_spirit]

Yeah, people need to read "Poke the eye" to educate themselves... :D
You'll like this site (hopefully when you awake from your Kosher slumber) I am a bit surprised you joined the Kosher cabal JIDF on DIF. :eek::D

http://www.adolfthegreat.com/pages/Trails/trail_Economist.html


"German economic salvation has been brought about solely through the efforts of the German people and the experience they have gained. Countries abroad have contributed nothing to this." "We have made it possible, without gold and without foreign exchange, to maintain the value of the German mark. Behind the German mark stands the German capacity for work, while some foreign countries, suffocated by gold, have been compelled to devalue their currencies." — "Today in May, 1938, the world around us suffers from the anxiety which the unemployment of millions brings with it. In Germany we begin to be anxious because we have not enough workmen."

Adolf Hitler



In 1932, before National Socialism acquired power, the German national income amounted to 45.2 milliard Reichsmarks.... and in 1937 reached the round figure of 68 milliard Reichsmarks. In contrast to this increase in income the general cost of living index remained practically unchanged. In other words, while the national income increased by nearly 50% the increase in the general cost of living rose by only 4%."

[flyermay]

You'll like this site (hopefully when you awake from your Kosher slumber) I am a bit surprised you joined the Kosher cabal JIDF on DIF. :eek::D

http://www.adolfthegreat.com/pages/Trails/trail_Economist.html


"German economic salvation has been brought about solely through the efforts of the German people and the experience they have gained. Countries abroad have contributed nothing to this." "We have made it possible, without gold and without foreign exchange, to maintain the value of the German mark. Behind the German mark stands the German capacity for work, while some foreign countries, suffocated by gold, have been compelled to devalue their currencies." — "Today in May, 1938, the world around us suffers from the anxiety which the unemployment of millions brings with it. In Germany we begin to be anxious because we have not enough workmen."

Adolf Hitler



In 1932, before National Socialism acquired power, the German national income amounted to 45.2 milliard Reichsmarks.... and in 1937 reached the round figure of 68 milliard Reichsmarks. In contrast to this increase in income the general cost of living index remained practically unchanged. In other words, while the national income increased by nearly 50% the increase in the general cost of living rose by only 4%."

You might also like to read how well Hitler was connected and funded by the bankers, and how much gold was pumped into Germany during the Nazi regime, here: Hitler’s Struggle (part V: Hitler and the Bankers) (http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1060252689#post1060252689)

[eternal_spirit]

False "Nazi" Quotations

1. “Truth is the greatest enemy of the state” (Goebbels)

This is the most popular forged quotation. The full version:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Last I checked (March 2011), this shows up on 236,000 web pages and twenty published books (most of which are vanity press productions, evidence for the value of publishers who still believe in editors). It is attributed to Joseph Goebbels. No one ever gives a citation to the source. A fair number of web citations are to “Joseph M. Goebbels.” That wasn't his middle initial. One book credits it to “Joseph Goebbel.”

There are several hundred pages in German that cite the statement, but none give a source, and one site (perhaps the earliest) notes that is “retranslated from English.”

Goebbels wouldn’t have said that in public. He always maintained that propaganda had to be truthful. That doesn't mean he didn’t lie, but it would be a pretty poor propagandist who publicly proclaimed that he was going to lie. I know of no evidence that he actually said it. I haven’t read everything Goebbels wrote, but I have been through a lot of it.

Goebbels actually accused others of using the technique. In a 1941 article titled “ Churchill’s Lie Factory,” he wrote:

“One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”

He accuses the English of the “big lie,” and suggests that, were he to use such a technique, he would not publicly announce it.

The quotation usually seems to be used by those on the political left and right, who find it helpful in to associating those they don't like with the Nazis.

It is related to the next quotation, which is usually quoted accurately, but taken out of context.

2. Hitler and the “Big Lie”

The false Goebbels quotation above is actually a take-off on Hitler's familiar statement in Mein Kampf, which is often misunderstood. Hitler stated:

“In this they [the Jews] proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others.…” (p. 231 of the Manheim translation)

Hitler is accusing the Jews the Vienna press of this strategy. It is often taken as evidence that Hitler advocated the “Big Lie.” He is, in fact, accusing his enemies of lying.

Now, Hitler was entirely willing to lie — but in public he insisted that he and his propaganda were truthful.

3. Hitler: "What Luck for Rulers that Men Do Not Think"

This alleged quotation by Adolf Hitler is on over 1,700,000 web pages. I think it is a fabrication, but am still investigating. It is not in Mein Kampf, nor in the Domarus edition of Hitler’s speeches. None of the pages that cite it gives a reliable source. Several cite a book that has it, but said book provides no reference to an original source.

4. Hitler and Gun Control

The following quotation shows up about a thousand times on the Internet last I checked:

“This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”

However, Hitler never said it, even though fabricated sources are sometimes provided. Guns weren’t that much of a problem in the Nazi era (at least within the country...). In fact, the Nazis liked guns, and started training kids early on in their use.

5. Hitler and “Law and Order”

The following statement is cited less often today than it was during the 1960s, as news of its falsity has gotten around, but it still shows up on a number of web sites:

“The streets of our cities are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might and the Republic is in danger. Yes, danger from within and without. We need law and order! Yes, without law and order our national cannot survive. . . . Elect us and we shall restore law and order. We shall, by law and order, be respected among the nations of the world. Without law and order our Republic shall fail.”

There are lot of things wrong with this statement, beginning with the fact that Hitler wanted the Republic to fail, and was open about it. It had its origins in a communist newspaper, and popped up in the movie Billy Jack (1971). For full details, see that most useful book by Paul F. Boller, Jr. and John George, They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, & Misleading Attributions (New York: Oxford, 1989), pp. 45-46.

6. Hermann Goering on Culture and Revolvers

Goering is often quoted as having said:

“Whenever I hear the word culture, I reach for my revolver.”

This one is also dealt with in They Never Said It. (p. 36). It actually comes from a play by the prominent Nazi writer Hanns Johst titled Schlageter, which deals with the life of a Nazi “martyr.” It’s also an unlikely thing for Goering to have said, since he prided himself on his artistic knowledge.


http://www.nemw.net/articles/2011june/FalseNaziQuotations.html

[bjornyvan]

flyermay

Carolyn Yeager tells the whole story:

http://reasonradionetwork.com/20100517/the-heretics-hour-wall-street-international-banking-adolf-hitler

No banker helped to bring about the great economic success of Nazi Germany. There was only one reason for this success and the reason was Adolf Hitler and his brilliant reforms pertaining to the economy and industry of Germany. This recipe would work in any country - it has nothing to do with mountains of fiat money or mountains of gold, but everything to do with implementing a national socialist economy made to profit the German nation, and not bankers, capitalists and industrialists whether domestic or foreign.

Economy is not really complicated. It's very simple. Or it can be very simple. If the economy/industry of a nation is so arranged as to bring maxiumum yield to that nation, instead of bringing maximum yield to a small elite of usurers and capitalists foreign and domestic.

Look at the USA: There's absolutely no good reason why the USA should have millions of unemployed living off food stamps. With Hitler's recipe the USA could have continued to blossom 1950-today.

But today the situation is that a few dozen mega-corporations in cahoots with a few dozen mega-rich, mega-powerful bankers, move tons of jobs abroad, bankrupt small businesses, over-tax the people, devalue the dollar and basically bleed the nation dry. You could call it a vampire economy. The military expenditure and expenditure on all kinds of operations in foreign countries are also beyond all proportions. It's insanity and America does not have the money or resources to keep this up without making 95% of the American population bankrupt.

[soleil]

Just found this on Rense and I thought it quite interesting.

Hitler and the Banksters: The Abolition of Interest-Servitude

“THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-THE SPIRIT OF THE PROGRAM ABOLITION OF THE THRALLDOM OF INTEREST – THE CORE OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM.”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/13/hitler-and-the-banksters-the-abolition-of-interest-servitude/

[bjornyvan]

Just found this on Rense and I thought it quite interesting.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/13/hitler-and-the-banksters-the-abolition-of-interest-servitude/

Yeah. It confirms what others have been saying about the real reason for the war on Germany and the reason for Hitler's success in building up the German economy and infrastructure in such a short time.

NSDAPs party program in case you haven't read it: http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/

In this program there's a lot to learn about the kinds of economic reforms that Hitler started implementing in 1933. In my opinion this is one of the biggest secrets of WWII: Hitler's recipe for economic success and national independence - and this being the reason why Hitler had to be crushed. Forget about the race stuff. That's not the most important matter. In spite of what all the propaganda says.

"Germany's unforgivable crime before the second world war," Churchill said," was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit."

Churchill to Lord Robert Boothby, quoted in the Foreword, 2nd Ed. Sydney Rogerson, Propaganda in the Next War 2001, orig. 1938.

[eternal_spirit]

Time line - Abraham Lincoln - Adolph Hitler - John F Kennedy.

All guilty of the same crime against the ELITE - taking control of the monetary system for the benefit of the citizens not the banking cabals.

[bjornyvan]

Kennedy did that too? I guess it must have been only in the planning stages. He thought about getting rid of the FED, did he?

[eternal_spirit]

No United States president since Abraham Lincoln dared to go against the system and create his own money, as many of these so-called elected presidents were actually only instruments or puppets of the Bankers. That is until President John F. Kennedy came into office.

President Kennedy was not afraid to "buck the system", for he understood how the Federal Reserve System was being used to destroy the United States. As a just and honorable man, he could not tolerate such a system, for it smelled corruption from A to Z. Certainly he must have known about the Greenbacks which Abraham Lincoln created when he was in office.

http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/pres.htm

[bjornyvan]

Aha, OK.

"On June 4th, 1963, President Kennedy signed a presidential document, called Executive Order 11110, which further amended Executive order 10289 of September 19th, 1951. This gave Kennedy, as President of the United States, legal clearance to create his own money to run the country, money that would belong to the people, an interest and debt-free money. He had printed United States Notes, completely ignoring the Federal Reserve Notes from the private banks of the Federal Reserve.

Our records show that Kennedy issued $4,292,893,825 of cash money. It was perfectly obvious that Kennedy was out to undermine the Federal Reserve System of the United States.

But it was only a few months later, in November of 1963, that the world received the shocking news of President Kennedy's assassination. No reason was given, of course, for anyone wanting to commit such an atrocious crime. But for those who knew anything about money and banking, it did not take long to put the pieces of the puzzle together. For surely, President Kennedy must have had it in mind to repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and return back to the United States Congress the power to create its own money.

It is interesting to note that, only one day after Kennedy's assassination, all the United States notes which Kennedy had issued were called out of circulation. Was this through an executive order of the newly-installed president, Lyndon B. Johnson? Or was he one of their instruments? At any rate, all of the money President Kennedy had created was destroyed. And not a word was said to the American people."

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Yep, just another reason for killing the guy.

[eternal_spirit]

We know how popular Hitler was with the German people JFK was also popular? More than a coincidence. Both "men of the people" as the saying goes. I'd add "for the people."

[hadabusa]

flyermay

Carolyn Yeager tells the whole story:

http://reasonradionetwork.com/20100517/the-heretics-hour-wall-street-international-banking-adolf-hitler

No banker helped to bring about the great economic success of Nazi Germany. There was only one reason for this success and the reason was Adolf Hitler and his brilliant reforms pertaining to the economy and industry of Germany. This recipe would work in any country - it has nothing to do with mountains of fiat money or mountains of gold, but everything to do with implementing a national socialist economy made to profit the German nation, and not bankers, capitalists and industrialists whether domestic or foreign.

Economy is not really complicated. It's very simple. Or it can be very simple. If the economy/industry of a nation is so arranged as to bring maxiumum yield to that nation, instead of bringing maximum yield to a small elite of usurers and capitalists foreign and domestic.

Look at the USA: There's absolutely no good reason why the USA should have millions of unemployed living off food stamps. With Hitler's recipe the USA could have continued to blossom 1950-today.

But today the situation is that a few dozen mega-corporations in cahoots with a few dozen mega-rich, mega-powerful bankers, move tons of jobs abroad, bankrupt small businesses, over-tax the people, devalue the dollar and basically bleed the nation dry. You could call it a vampire economy. The military expenditure and expenditure on all kinds of operations in foreign countries are also beyond all proportions. It's insanity and America does not have the money or resources to keep this up without making 95% of the American population bankrupt.
oh please,cut the crap.

it was economy based on war manifacture, taking wealth of jews and forcing occupied states to pay taxes.

[bjornyvan]

it was economy based on war manifacture, taking wealth of jews and forcing occupied states to pay taxes.

Please, if you would, give us a more thorough explanation.

[andyh]

Please, if you would, give us a more thorough explanation.

Syndicalism, be it national syndicalism or anarcho-syndicalism is a ridiculously powerful economic process thats still relatively misunderstood.

It needs to feed and national syndicalism is the most hungry ravenous beast you could possibly imagine. It causes jealousy and pissed off neighbors and inevitably leads to war. Not through any fault of their own ofc but the other elites in other countries who know that it breaks some unsaid rules between them.
This is also why the basque people have been so treated for such a long time because they know the secret.

[hadaka_jimmy]

oh please,cut the crap.

it was economy based on war manifacture, taking wealth of jews and forcing occupied states to pay taxes.

That's wrong.

Hitler made Germany the most powerful nation in Europe BEFORE the second World War.

[soleil]

Some quick stats about the British National Debt since the Amsterdam banking cartel formed the BoE in 1694.

The debt started as £1200000 in 1694.

By 1914, it had ballooned to £700 million DESPITE Britain commanding the seas and nearly one-third of the world's land mass. Moreover, during the 70 years prior to 1914, the British tax payer paid £1500 million to service the interest without reducing the capital by one penny.

After WW1, the National Debt exploded to £7000 million. This remained steady due to austerity measures and by a interest paying tax revenue of £5000 million. By the end of WW2, the National Debt was £20000 million and this would have taken 400 years to pay if the government repayed £1M per week. The country was still paying for the Napoléonic, Crimean and Boer wars of bankcraft after WW2.

Imagine all the wasted labour and tax revenue that has been used to service the compound interest on the national debt being directed towards the construction of a social state. Super taxes for the middle classes would be unnecessary as well as unfair indirect taxes that target the working classes. All classes would have more money to spend on goods and services which would reduce the human waste of unemployment.

The Absurdity of the National Debt: http://douglassocialcredit.com/resources/archives/absurdity_of_%20national_debt_duke_%20of_bed.pdf

It is no real surprise that Germany went from a starving basket case under siege to the most advanced state in Europe after freeing itself from financial-democratic thralldom.

[bjornyvan]

That's wrong.

Hitler made Germany the most powerful nation in Europe BEFORE the second World War.

Who cares about such silly details. (Sarcasm.)

[hadaka_jimmy]

Who cares about such silly details. (Sarcasm.)

Why let the facts get in the way of a good ol' NS bashing.

[hadaka_jimmy]

Some quick stats about the British National Debt since the Amsterdam banking cartel formed the BoE in 1694.

The debt started as £1200000 in 1694.

By 1914, it had ballooned to £700 million DESPITE Britain commanding the seas and nearly one-third of the world's land mass. Moreover, during the 70 years prior to 1914, the British tax payer paid £1500 million to service the interest without reducing the capital by one penny.

After WW1, the National Debt exploded to £7000 million. This remained steady due to austerity measures and by a interest paying tax revenue of £5000 million. By the end of WW2, the National Debt was £20000 million and this would have taken 400 years to pay if the government repayed £1M per week. The country was still paying for the Napoléonic, Crimean and Boer wars of bankcraft after WW2.

Imagine all the wasted labour and tax revenue that has been used to service the compound interest on the national debt being directed towards the construction of a social state. Super taxes for the middle classes would be unnecessary as well as unfair indirect taxes that target the working classes. All classes would have more money to spend on goods and services which would reduce the human waste of unemployment.

The Absurdity of the National Debt: http://douglassocialcredit.com/resources/archives/absurdity_of_%20national_debt_duke_%20of_bed.pdf

It is no real surprise that Germany went from a starving basket case under siege to the most advanced state in Europe after freeing itself from financial-democratic thralldom.

Superb post.

[bjornyvan]

We know Hitler told the banksters to fuck off some time around 1933. But what about Germany's debt from WWI? I presume Hitler never paid a penny...?

I mean: Hitler probably said "fuck off, I won't pay", but what did England & the boys say then? Does anyone know about this?

[hadaka_jimmy]

We know Hitler told the banksters to fuck off some time around 1933. But what about Germany's debt from WWI? I presume Hitler never paid a penny...?

I mean: Hitler probably said "fuck off, I won't pay", but what did England & the boys say then? Does anyone know about this?

Have a look at this...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315869/Germany-end-World-War-One-reparations-92-years-59m-final-payment.html

[bjornyvan]

"The bill would have been settled much earlier had not one Adolf Hitler reneged on reparations during his reign."

Reneged...

re·nege (r-ng, -ng)
v. re·neged, re·neg·ing, re·neges
v.intr.
1. To fail to carry out a promise or commitment: reneged on the contract at the last minute.
2. Games To fail to follow suit in cards when able and required by the rules to do so.
v.tr.
To renounce; disown.
n.
The act of reneging.

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That's what I thought. Must've pissed "them" off.

[andyh]

but the other elites in other countries who know that it breaks some unsaid rules between them.


"The bill would have been settled much earlier had not one Adolf Hitler reneged on reparations during his reign."

Reneged...

re·nege (r-ng, -ng)
v. re·neged, re·neg·ing, re·neges
v.intr.
1. To fail to carry out a promise or commitment: reneged on the contract at the last minute.
2. Games To fail to follow suit in cards when able and required by the rules to do so.
v.tr.
To renounce; disown.
n.
The act of reneging.

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That's what I thought. Must've pissed "them" off.

Nuff said ya?

[bjornyvan]

Your point?

[andyh]

Your point?

He broke 'the rules' thats why we had ww2. :)
He had to ofc, national syndicalism inevitably pisses off the elite....almost as much as anarcho-syndicalism.

[bjornyvan]

He broke 'the rules' thats why we had ww2. :)
He had to ofc, national syndicalism inevitably pisses off the elite....almost as much as anarcho-syndicalism.

Wow. We agree!

http://www-ia.hiof.no/~maries/webprogrammering1/winner.jpg

[hadaka_jimmy]

He broke 'the rules' thats why we had ww2. :)
He had to ofc, national syndicalism inevitably pisses off the elite....almost as much as anarcho-syndicalism.

Bloody hell Andy :D

[bjornyvan]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MbRruk9V_uQ/TH3ImTRIsOI/AAAAAAAAAFI/_7BY53HPqVY/s1600/6a00d414308aad3c7f0110160dbb14860b-500pi.jpg

[andyh]

Bloody hell Andy :D

Well I thought you knew I know all too well about specifically syndicalism? :)

I'm of the anarcho-syndicalist bent instead of national-syndicalist so in economic terms there is no disagreement. My only grief is that I prefer people to do it of their own volition and without any force or coercion.

[hadaka_jimmy]

Well I thought you knew I know all too well about specifically syndicalism? :)

I'm of the anarcho-syndicalist bent instead of national-syndicalist so in economic terms there is no disagreement. My only grief is that I prefer people to do it of their own volition and without any force or coercion.

Problem is Andy, people won't do it from their own volition. Unfortunately.

[andyh]

Problem is Andy, people won't do it from their own volition. Unfortunately.

Then you are in a catch22 situation expecting authority to solve a problem which authority created in the first place.

The only solution will come from the people themselves.
You'll just have to wait a while longer is all, a lot longer :D

[hadaka_jimmy]

Then you are in a catch22 situation expecting authority to solve a problem which authority created in the first place.

The only solution will come from the people themselves.
You'll just have to wait a while longer is all, a lot longer :D

Sod that mate, I'm in for the quick fix. :D

[andyh]

Sod that mate, I'm in for the quick fix. :D

Everybody wants the easy way out.
It doesn't work that way unfortunately.

[hadaka_jimmy]

Everybody wants the easy way out.
It doesn't work that way unfortunately.

It can. It's just people would rather through human selfishness put up with the status quo to get one up on their neighbours and peers. Human nature.

[octopusrex]

You want to rebuild Mexico, Nazi style?... Then convince your government to start asking like crazy for investment from the Federel Reserve, the Bank of England, and the Bank for International Settlements (that one's gone now, but you have the IMF and the World Bank in its place)... that's how Germany rebuilt the country; though I don't think I need to tell how Hitler's master plan for repayment ended. :rolleyes:

Actually, here in Mexico, we are STILL paying the interest on a huge debt to pay for our last revolution where the gringos sold weapons to all the groups fighting... Its insane. We finally get ahead on that one and they give us...

Fast and the Furious.:mad::mad:

[hadaka_jimmy]

Actually, here in Mexico, we are STILL paying the interest on a huge debt to pay for our last revolution where the gringos sold weapons to all the groups fighting... Its insane. We finally get ahead on that one and they give us...

Fast and the Furious.:mad::mad:

Just as we in the UK are. We're still paying for war debts from the Boers to the Napoleonic.

[octopusrex]

Just as we in the UK are. We're still paying for war debts from the Boers to the Napoleonic.
So maybe we have much more in common eh?
Maybe its time to bring back the swastika worldwide?

[andyh]

It can. It's just people would rather through human selfishness put up with the status quo to get one up on their neighbours and peers. Human nature.

They'll always do that. As long as you have authority then you have loopholes and fantastic jobs for psychos.

[hadaka_jimmy]

So maybe we have much more in common eh?
Maybe its time to bring back the swastika worldwide?

A wholesale rejection of the Jewish Zionist banking system could only be a good thing for mankind and the animal rights movement.

[bjornyvan]

Absolutely.

About the swastika: It's an ancient universal symbol and a good luck charm. It's not dangerous.

http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.gif

http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.html

[tinyint]

So maybe we have much more in common eh?
Maybe its time to bring back the swastika worldwide?

PÄ“rkonkrusts - an ancient Latvian entographical ornament - YouTube

Europe awakes again to the ancient past. :)

[hadaka_jimmy]

Absolutely.

About the swastika: It's an ancient universal symbol and a good luck charm. It's not dangerous.

http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.gif

http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.html

Also the rubbish about the Nazi's reversing the swastika is utter lies. I've been to Japan and in Zen Buddhist temples the swastika is the same pointing as the Nazi's used it.

Another myth debunked.

[flyermay]

Also the rubbish about the Nazi's reversing the swastika is utter lies. I've been to Japan and in Zen Buddhist temples the swastika is the same pointing as the Nazi's used it.

Another myth debunked.

Try the original swastika from hinduism... see if that one points in the same direction. :rolleyes:

[bjornyvan]

The original?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo2bxd0YF81qjo4rc.gif

[flyermay]

The original?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo2bxd0YF81qjo4rc.gif

Original, meaning the original... the oldest. I doubt any of those were around 2.500 BC, but one.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/IndusValleySeals_swastikas.JPG/220px-IndusValleySeals_swastikas.JPG

[pi3141]

Do not confuse national socialists with empty headed skinheads, KKK members or other movements who use the Swastika as their symbol
Long live the national socialist movement, long live Europe!

From the signature -


“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.” -Adolf Hitler



So Hitler was a National Socialist that openly admits he lied to his people and yet there are truthers that believe he was in fact a force for good?

:D
Oh such beautiful irony.

Here's a few more quotes from Hitler


“All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.”


“How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.”



“It is not truth that matters, but victory”


Sorry I've got nothing constructive to add to this thread, but I had to chime in cos it really made me laugh.

I don't think I could ever follow a leader who admitted they lie to me.

Seems a bit dumb.....

[hadaka_jimmy]

Original, meaning the original... the oldest. I doubt any of those were around 2.500 BC, but one.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/IndusValleySeals_swastikas.JPG/220px-IndusValleySeals_swastikas.JPG

Oh right, so them ghastly Chinese Buddhists were really NAZIS! :rolleyes:

For God's sake, why the hell would the Nazis REVERSE a symbol which is used to this day for good luck.

Kinda be stupid no?

Also you're missing out that the Brahmin caste of India were originally Germanic. That's right... hence the Buddha's path is called the Noble ARYAN Eightfold path. He had blue eyes. Same as Bodhidharma who spread Zen to China, he was called the blued eyed demon from the West.

Wikipedia is your friend "The swastika (Sanskrit: स्वस्तिक) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles, in either right-facing (卐) form or its mirrored left-facing (卍) form."

[hadaka_jimmy]

From the signature -




So Hitler was a National Socialist that openly admits he lied to his people and yet there are truthers that believe he was in fact a force for good?

:D
Oh such beautiful irony.

Here's a few more quotes from Hitler







Sorry I've got nothing constructive to add to this thread, but I had to chime in cos it really made me laugh.

I don't think I could ever follow a leader who admitted they lie to me.

Seems a bit dumb.....

You'd rather follow the 'truthers' who lie to you. Seems a bit dumb...

[eternal_spirit]

False "Nazi" Quotations

1. “Truth is the greatest enemy of the state” (Goebbels)

This is the most popular forged quotation. The full version:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Last I checked (March 2011), this shows up on 236,000 web pages and twenty published books (most of which are vanity press productions, evidence for the value of publishers who still believe in editors). It is attributed to Joseph Goebbels. No one ever gives a citation to the source. A fair number of web citations are to “Joseph M. Goebbels.” That wasn't his middle initial. One book credits it to “Joseph Goebbel.”

There are several hundred pages in German that cite the statement, but none give a source, and one site (perhaps the earliest) notes that is “retranslated from English.”

Goebbels wouldn’t have said that in public. He always maintained that propaganda had to be truthful. That doesn't mean he didn’t lie, but it would be a pretty poor propagandist who publicly proclaimed that he was going to lie. I know of no evidence that he actually said it. I haven’t read everything Goebbels wrote, but I have been through a lot of it.

Goebbels actually accused others of using the technique. In a 1941 article titled “ Churchill’s Lie Factory,” he wrote:

“One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”

He accuses the English of the “big lie,” and suggests that, were he to use such a technique, he would not publicly announce it.

The quotation usually seems to be used by those on the political left and right, who find it helpful in to associating those they don't like with the Nazis.

It is related to the next quotation, which is usually quoted accurately, but taken out of context.

2. Hitler and the “Big Lie”

The false Goebbels quotation above is actually a take-off on Hitler's familiar statement in Mein Kampf, which is often misunderstood. Hitler stated:

“In this they [the Jews] proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others.…” (p. 231 of the Manheim translation)

Hitler is accusing the Jews the Vienna press of this strategy. It is often taken as evidence that Hitler advocated the “Big Lie.” He is, in fact, accusing his enemies of lying.

Now, Hitler was entirely willing to lie — but in public he insisted that he and his propaganda were truthful.

3. Hitler: "What Luck for Rulers that Men Do Not Think"

This alleged quotation by Adolf Hitler is on over 1,700,000 web pages. I think it is a fabrication, but am still investigating. It is not in Mein Kampf, nor in the Domarus edition of Hitler’s speeches. None of the pages that cite it gives a reliable source. Several cite a book that has it, but said book provides no reference to an original source.

4. Hitler and Gun Control

The following quotation shows up about a thousand times on the Internet last I checked:

“This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”

However, Hitler never said it, even though fabricated sources are sometimes provided. Guns weren’t that much of a problem in the Nazi era (at least within the country...). In fact, the Nazis liked guns, and started training kids early on in their use.

5. Hitler and “Law and Order”

The following statement is cited less often today than it was during the 1960s, as news of its falsity has gotten around, but it still shows up on a number of web sites:

“The streets of our cities are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might and the Republic is in danger. Yes, danger from within and without. We need law and order! Yes, without law and order our national cannot survive. . . . Elect us and we shall restore law and order. We shall, by law and order, be respected among the nations of the world. Without law and order our Republic shall fail.”

There are lot of things wrong with this statement, beginning with the fact that Hitler wanted the Republic to fail, and was open about it. It had its origins in a communist newspaper, and popped up in the movie Billy Jack (1971). For full details, see that most useful book by Paul F. Boller, Jr. and John George, They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, & Misleading Attributions (New York: Oxford, 1989), pp. 45-46.

6. Hermann Goering on Culture and Revolvers

Goering is often quoted as having said:

“Whenever I hear the word culture, I reach for my revolver.”

This one is also dealt with in They Never Said It. (p. 36). It actually comes from a play by the prominent Nazi writer Hanns Johst titled Schlageter, which deals with the life of a Nazi “martyr.” It’s also an unlikely thing for Goering to have said, since he prided himself on his artistic knowledge.


http://www.nemw.net/articles/2011june/FalseNaziQuotations.html

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So Hitler was a National Socialist that openly admits he lied to his people and yet there are truthers that believe he was in fact a force for good?

:D
Oh such beautiful irony.

Here's a few more quotes from Hitler







Sorry I've got nothing constructive to add to this thread, but I had to chime in cos it really made me laugh.

I don't think I could ever follow a leader who admitted they lie to me.

Seems a bit dumb.....

....He was talking about the British etc.

[eternal_spirit]

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[soleil]

Would it be fair to say that quantitative easing is to the banks what Hitler's "Mefo Bonds" were to workers and the unemployed who then built of the national social state?

This comment made me wonder:

QE = £75bn

Minimum wage = £6.08 p/h or £1045.76 p/m (assuming approx 40 hour week, approx 4.3 weeks p/m) or £12549.12 p/a

75bn / 12549.12 = 5,976,514.69 jobs

Young unemployed = 973,000 (almost 40% overall unemployment)
Overall unemployment = 2.5m

Erm, could I suggest a different use for at least some of the QE money? You can still spunk lots away on bank bonuses...erm, increasing the flow of credit, sorry.

Who says the Government (this and the last) has failed its youth?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/oct/09/young-unpaid-angry-interns-campaign-for-wage

It is interesting to note that £75bn would create more minimum-wage jobs than there are currently unemployed. So the current quantitative wheeze could make enough jobs over the minimum wage.

Most importantly, the £75bn will mostly be spent within the UK for goods and services thus creating more jobs. This sum given to international finance-capital will be speculated abroad in all likelihood.

Anyone with a passing knowledge of the UK knows that there is a hell of a lot of work that needs done already, so if we are going to create £75bn out of nothing, why not put it into productive hands?

[pi3141]

....He was talking about the British etc.

Are you suggesting Hitler didn't use propoganda?

If your being serious, then to suggest that Htler would be aware of propoganda tactics being used against him and would never use the same tactics himself actually paints Hitler, at best as naive, or a rather stupid political and military leader destined to fail.

I acredited greater intelligence to Hitler and his advisors.

Is it possible then that the racial studies undertaken by the Nazis were actually done in good faith by the German scientists, they actually believed what they were printing and it wasn't just propoganda?


The racial policy of Nazi Germany was a set of policies and laws implemented by Nazi Germany, asserting the superiority of the "Aryan race", and based on a specific racist doctrine which claimed scientific legitimacy.

Link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_policy_of_Nazi_Germany


I always thought German scientists of the time were quite intelligent and that Hitler was a great political mover but perhaps they were really just dumb and naive.

If thats true, it makes me wonder how they ever got a rocket off the ground.

[tinyint]

Are you suggesting Hitler didn't use propoganda?

If your being serious, then to suggest that Htler would be aware of propoganda tactics being used against him and would never use the same tactics himself actually paints Hitler, at best as naive, or a rather stupid political and military leader destined to fail.

I acredited greater intelligence to Hitler and his advisors.

Is it possible then that the racial studies undertaken by the Nazis were actually done in good faith by the German scientists, they actually believed what they were printing and it wasn't just propoganda?



I always thought German scientists of the time were quite intelligent and that Hitler was a great political mover but perhaps they were really just dumb and naive.

If thats true, it makes me wonder how they ever got a rocket off the ground.

And some people cannot see the trees in the wood.

Are you aware of the Pendulum experiment of 1901?
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/tamarack.htm

The inner earth people are claimed to be survivors of the great flood which is reported around the globe.
They are called Arianni and Ariana as their city according to Admiral Byrd.
There was also was an early christian branch in the 2nd and 3rd century called Arianism.

Arianism is the theological teaching attributed to Arius (ca. AD 250–336), a Christian presbyter from Alexandria, Egypt, concerning the relationship of the entities of the Trinity ('God the Father', 'God the Son' and 'God the Holy Spirit') and the precise nature of the Son of God as being a subordinate entity to God the Father. Deemed a heretic by the First Council of Nicaea of 325, Arius was later exonerated in 335 at the First Synod of Tyre,[1] and then, after his death, pronounced a heretic again at the First Council of Constantinople of 381.[2] The Roman Emperors Constantius II (337–361) and Valens (364–378) were Arians or Semi-Arians. The Arian concept of Christ is that the Son of God did not always exist, but was created by—and is therefore distinct from and inferior to—God the Father. This belief is grounded in the Gospel of John passage “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." (verse 14:28)[3]

Arianism is defined as those teachings attributed to Arius which are in opposition to mainstream Trinitarian Christological doctrine, as determined by the first two Ecumenical Councils and currently maintained by the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Churches and most Reformation Protestant Churches. "Arianism" is also often used to refer to other nontrinitarian theological systems of the 4th century, which regarded Jesus Christ—the Son of God, the Logos—as either a created being (as in Arianism proper and Anomoeanism), or as neither uncreated nor created in the sense other beings are created (as in Semi-Arianism).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

[pi3141]

And some people cannot see the trees in the wood.

Are you aware of the Pendulum experiment of 1901?
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/tamarack.htm

The inner earth people are claimed to be survivors of the great flood which is reported around the globe.
They are called Arianni and Ariana as their city according to Admiral Byrd.
There was also was an early christian branch in the 2nd and 3rd century called Arianism.

Yes, I've come across that experiment before - used to read a lot of UFO and related stuff, I think Nexus run an article on it years ago. I've also got the book - Lost Continents and Hollow Earth by David Childress and Richard Shaver. Interesting stuff.

(btw - the expression is 'can't see the wood for the tree's)

[bjornyvan]

Are you suggesting Hitler didn't use propoganda?

If your being serious, then to suggest that Htler would be aware of propoganda tactics being used against him and would never use the same tactics himself actually paints Hitler, at best as naive, or a rather stupid political and military leader destined to fail.

I acredited greater intelligence to Hitler and his advisors.

Is it possible then that the racial studies undertaken by the Nazis were actually done in good faith by the German scientists, they actually believed what they were printing and it wasn't just propoganda?

I always thought German scientists of the time were quite intelligent and that Hitler was a great political mover but perhaps they were really just dumb and naive.

If thats true, it makes me wonder how they ever got a rocket off the ground.

Oh yes, Hitler definitely used propaganda. Goebbels was minister of propaganda. It was no secret.

About the Nazi racism: I agree with those that say it was a bad thing. Travelling around measuring people's noses, making lists of better/worse races, emphasizing the splendour of pure Aryan blood etc etc.

Interesting documentary: Ahnenerbe in Tibet-searching the Aryan Race-part 1of 5 - YouTube

[pi3141]

Oh yes, Hitler definitely used propaganda. Goebbels was minister of propaganda. It was no secret.

About the Nazi racism: I agree with those that say it was a bad thing. Travelling around measuring people's noses, making lists of better/worse races, emphasizing the splendour of pure Aryan blood etc etc.

Interesting documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZWTEwWwgE

Cheers.

I'll take a look at that documentary when I get a chance. (off to work now)

[hadaka_jimmy]

Oh yes, Hitler definitely used propaganda. Goebbels was minister of propaganda. It was no secret.

About the Nazi racism: I agree with those that say it was a bad thing. Travelling around measuring people's noses, making lists of better/worse races, emphasizing the splendour of pure Aryan blood etc etc.


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[octopusrex]

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So Hitler was a National Socialist that openly admits he lied to his people and yet there are truthers that believe he was in fact a force for good?

:D
Oh such beautiful irony.

Here's a few more quotes from Hitler







Sorry I've got nothing constructive to add to this thread, but I had to chime in cos it really made me laugh.

I don't think I could ever follow a leader who admitted they lie to me.

Seems a bit dumb.....

Why? If sombody lies to you and then tells you they lied to you, that is the same as telling you the truth, wot? Rather the devil I know than the devil I don't.

[flyermay]

Actually, here in Mexico, we are STILL paying the interest on a huge debt to pay for our last revolution where the gringos sold weapons to all the groups fighting... Its insane. We finally get ahead on that one and they give us...

Fast and the Furious.:mad::mad:

Oh, but then you are half way there; now you just need to round up everyone who's not ready to give his life for Mexico, put them in concentration camps, and use the rest as a war machine to invade neighbouring countries. Loot the reserves of these other countries, repay current loans to the international bankers -which in return will make more investments-, and you will reconstruct Mexico... Nazi style. :)

You will probably need a charismatic psychopath though; to put the whole plan together... this might be the most difficult part. :o

[bjornyvan]

Mexico is in my view a worse society than Nazi Germany was.

http://www.nationalturk.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mexico_drug_war_drug_cartels_dead_nationalturk_008 .jpg

[octopusrex]

Oh, but then you are half way there; now you just need to round up everyone who's not ready to give his life for Mexico, put them in concentration camps, and use the rest as a war machine to invade neighbouring countries. Loot the reserves of these other countries, repay current loans to the international bankers -which in return will make more investments-, and you will reconstruct Mexico... Nazi style. :)

You will probably need a charismatic psychopath though; to put the whole plan together... this might be the most difficult part. :o

Actually, I would prefer to take the media, declare the US based "war on drugs" as a "war on Latin America", join up with all the countries that have US bases on their land and don't want them there, form a huge peaceful army of 8 year olds (who are probably smarter than most grown up soldiers), give them a bunch of musical instruments and occupy Washington. From there, as a Mexican National Socialist, we could, arguably, disarm the rest of the world, destroying ALL nuclear and biological weaopns, destroying ALL weapons manufacturing plants and turning ALL the prisons into schools.

[octopusrex]

Mexico is in my view a worse society than Nazi Germany was.

http://www.nationalturk.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mexico_drug_war_drug_cartels_dead_nationalturk_008 .jpg

Only after the fucking spanish inquisition. Before, it was quite similiar to what you christian folk call "the Garden of Eden".;)

[bjornyvan]

Well, those Azteks weren't just about peace and love, were they? Didn't they do a lot of gruesome stuff?

[octopusrex]

Well, those Azteks weren't just about peace and love, were they? Didn't they do a lot of gruesome stuff?

Depends what you consider gruesome. Sacrificing folks to God after capturing the enemy God's best soldiers seems preety cool to me. After all, when you go to war, you usually just slaughter the enemy and not really give a fuck about why. So if you capture them instead of killing them outright and THEN sacrifice them so they can be literaly "in the hands of God" seems far more humane.

You think dropping bombs over people's heads is gruesome? Or perhaps making their land unusable for any kind of crop with herbicides? Perhaps forcing them to submit to a religious beleif against their will?

No, I don't think the Aztecs are particually gruesome in comparison to the Europeans or any other group. Genocide is genocide is genocide. You can only stop genocide if you recognize it for what it is. I suppose Europeans are the champions of genocide. Aztecs were more colorful about it. There is always human sacrifice, be it "death penalty" or "lynchinng" or "war". Calling it sacred simply makes it more "sacred".

[usury]

No. That's not at all how Hitler rebuilt Germany. You should be ashamed about your ignorance.

If you can be bothered: http://www.nogw.com/download2/-9_hitlers_freedom_from_debt_slavery.pdf

Maybe you should also read that NSDAP program which I posted. There you can read what Nazi means. Or meant - in 1924 in Germany.

And I urge you to in general do more research.

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Correct, it wasn't socialism that turned Nazi Germany into one of the greatest powers of all time, it was their control over the money supply and most importantly, money was created debt and interest free by a national central bank as opposed to a privately owned Zionist central bank.

It's all about the money, folks.

"Hitler's economic miracle: the Nazis came to power in Germany in 1933, at a time when its economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Yet through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full-employment public-works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies it could exploit, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began. In fact, German economic recovery preceded and later enabled German rearmament, in contrast to the US economy, where constitutional roadblocks placed by the US Supreme Court on the New Deal delayed economic recovery until US entry to World War II put the US market economy on a war footing. While this observation is not an endorsement for Nazi philosophy, the effectiveness of German economic policy in this period, some of which had been started during the last phase of the Weimar Republic, is undeniable."

Henry CK Liu

[rodin]

Yes, I've come across that experiment before - used to read a lot of UFO and related stuff, I think Nexus run an article on it years ago. I've also got the book - Lost Continents and Hollow Earth by David Childress and Richard Shaver. Interesting stuff.

(btw - the expression is 'can't see the wood for the tree's)

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/pos.gif

Above is BS, the pendulums are hanging up towards an internal crust.

Hollow Earth is a non-starter. You cannot have a gravitational attraction inside a hollow sphere. All G vectors cancel out (the mass closest to a point on the inner surface is providing a sideways pull in all directions = null with a very small downward component. The mass on the far wall pulling you up. Integrate G over the entire shell and anywhere inside it is zero.

That's Newton's Shell Theorem for ya

In any case the Earth's core is hydridic. Rothschild doesn't want you to know that

[andyh]

In any case the Earth's core is hydridic. Rothschild doesn't want you to know that

Hmm similar in structure to the sun you mean with the heavier elements towards the surface and lighter at the core?

It's an interesting theory.

[mre3xaz]

The hollow earth theory:
http://www.bizton.com/id52.html
http://tribeoflightworkers.wordpress.com/
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/byrdiar.html

It may actualy be the truth..

[bjornyvan]

I think the hollow earth is where all that Holocaust evidence is at. :)

[octopusrex]

The hollow earth theory:
http://www.bizton.com/id52.html
http://tribeoflightworkers.wordpress.com/
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/byrdiar.html

It may actualy be the truth..

Awesome links. Thanks.

[pi3141]

You cannot have a gravitational attraction inside a hollow sphere. All G vectors cancel out

Yes I was recently educated on this on your dimensions thread.


In any case the Earth's core is hydridic. Rothschild doesn't want you to know that

Just googled hydridic earth theory and found some interesting links.
I had already read theories that oil could be abiotic.

[jon galt]

National socialism is socialist rights and privileges for a select ethnicity. Completly racist and a terrible philosophy. National socialism is an oxymoron to me. Socialism is all about equality. Their is nothing hitler did remotely socialist fascism is a more correct term .
Although on paper and in theory pure socialism is a true utopia . In practice it has always been corrupted. The revolutionarys always become the new elite. Democracy is essencial to socialism. Any system that has a dictator thus an elite is not socialism.

[tinyint]

National socialism is socialist rights and privileges for a select ethnicity. Completly racist and a terrible philosophy. National socialism is an oxymoron to me. Socialism is all about equality. Their is nothing hitler did remotely socialist fascism is a more correct term


That is nonsense.

Its not racist to care for the nation and the people/citizens
Its not wrong to dream of a europe of sovereign cooperating nations free from debt money and interest.

Kraft durch Freude (German for Strength through Joy, abbreviated KdF) was a large state-controlled leisure organization in Nazi Germany.[1] It was a part of the German Labour Front (Deutsche Arbeitsfront, DAF), the national German labour organization at that time. Set up as a tool to promote the advantages of National Socialism to the people, it soon became the world's largest tourism operator of the 1930s.[2]

KdF was supposed to bridge the class divide by making middle-class leisure activities available to the masses. This was underscored by having cruises with passengers of mixed classes and having them, regardless of social status, draw lots for allocation of cabins.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_Through_Joy


This program was so successful, that the Brits got scared the message would spread in traditionally poor UK workers quarters, so they denied harbour entry for Geman liners.

Many many more such programs.
In fact, the former GDR adopted many of these policies, but wrapped them in red ideology.

[jon galt]

That is nonsense.

Its not racist to care for the nation and the people/citizens
Its not wrong to dream of a europe of sovereign cooperating nations free from debt money and interest.



This program was so successful, that the Brits got scared the message would spread in traditionally poor UK workers quarters, so they denied harbour entry for Geman liners.

Many many more such programs.
In fact, the former GDR adopted many of these policies, but wrapped them in red ideology.

It is racist if your ideals are at the expense of others . National socialism deprives other of their rights. But once again hitler and his national socialist party were not socialist.they were about as right as you could get. Hitler privatised many state run organizations like the Commerz-Bank. As a person who supports socialist philosophy it gets to me that people confuse national socialism, lenism , stalinism and maoism with the teachings of true socialism. If it was not for people premoting these things as socialist then socialism would gain more support. It's sad and ashame that people think what stalin done for example is an accurate intepritation of karl Marx. :(

[tinyint]

It is racist if your ideals are at the expense of others . National socialism deprives other of their rights. But once again hitler and his national socialist party were not socialist.they were about as right as you could get. Hitler privatised many state run organizations like the Commerz-Bank. As a person who supports socialist philosophy it gets to me that people confuse national socialism, lenism , stalinism and maoism with the teachings of true socialism. If it was not for people premoting these things as socialist then socialism would gain more support. It's sad and ashame that people think what stalin done for example is an accurate intepritation of karl Marx. :(

Marx is a fraud.
He never targeted interest and central banks.

I see, you are a red follower, never actually experienced it.

[jon galt]

Haha that's pretty funny. Marx attacked all of capitalism . Das capital? He was critical of all private banking. He believed central banks should be state run not run for profit by private company's

[tinyint]

Haha that's pretty funny. Marx attacked all of capitalism . Das capital? He was critical of all private banking. He believed central banks should be state run not run for profit by private company's

Have you ever read "Das Kapital"? Yes, no?

No, in his whole writings, he never actually gets to the root cause. Interest and compound interest.

Marx was an utter materialist, sponsored by Engels and wealthy industrialists and Bankers in the UK.
His writings were preconditions for the elimination of the Czar and the looting of Russia.

[jon galt]

Have you ever read "Das Kapital"? Yes, no?

No, in his whole writings, he never actually gets to the root cause. Interest and compound interest.

Marx was an utter materialist, sponsored by Engels and wealthy industrialists and Bankers in the UK.
His writings were preconditions for the elimination of the Czar and the looting of Russia.

Eh the UK sent troops to help the czar during the communist revolution in Russia. The UK and indeed much the western world very much feared communism spreading. The political theory of Marx and engals in the communist manifesto did nouthing to to facilitate to looting of Russia . Once lenin took power he imposed his corrupted version of Marx s writings. Leninism is not Marx nor a good example of socialism. I stated this before that in every socialist revolution the revolutionary become the new elite and the movement gets corrupted. This I'd not a fault of marxs. The main point of marxs philosophy is that capitalism profits from the exploitation of labour.
(He did how ever fail to take in to account that supply and demand have an effect) his aim was to end the exploration of working people and this very much frightened the industrialist. I have only read notes on marxs works. This is starting to go off topic perhaps a new thread as I find your views quite interesting.
On topic tho hitler and his national socialsts were racist there no geting around that one also homephobes too

[tinyint]

Eh the UK sent troops to help the czar during the communist revolution in Russia. The UK and indeed much the western world very much feared communism spreading.


Yeah, so much fear that they later allied with the Soviets, handing them over half of Europe.. :rolleyes:
Lenin and Trotzky were sent by Wall Street and the City to Russsia.

Listen, I seriously think you need a lot more research into the Communist doings, and who financed them.


The political theory of Marx and engals in the communist manifesto did nouthing to to facilitate to looting of Russia . Once lenin took power he imposed his corrupted version of Marx s writings. Leninism is not Marx nor a good example of socialism. I stated this before that in every socialist revolution the revolutionary become the new elite and the movement gets corrupted. This I'd not a fault of marxs. The main point of marxs philosophy is that capitalism profits from the exploitation of labour.
(He did how ever fail to take in to account that supply and demand have an effect) his aim was to end the exploration of working people and this very much frightened the industrialist. I have only read notes on marxs works. This is starting to go off topic perhaps a new thread as I find your views quite interesting.

Marx is a fraud, read him and tell me the passages where he gets into compound interest.
He was sponsored by the banksters. All sounds good, but its a big deception to eliminate the middle classes.

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Destroy the family, you destroy the country.

The surest way to destroy a nation is to debauch its currency.

I don’t care what becomes of Russia. To hell with it. All this is only the road to a World Revolution.

Behind the October Revolution there are more influential personalities than the thinkers and executors of
Marxism.

--Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov Lenin

[jon galt]

We briefly skies with Russia to fight hitler after the war the aliance stoped . We did not give half of europe to the soviets the took it and their was not much we could do because by the end of world war 2 the soviets had nuclear technology. Churchill wanted to go to war with stalin . I seriously think you need to reexamine your understanding of history. However the ussr was not socialist and not the teachings of Marx. Marx wanted to free

[tinyint]

We briefly skies with Russia to fight hitler after the war the aliance stoped . We did not give half of europe to the soviets the took it and their was not much we could do because by the end of world war 2 the soviets had nuclear technology. Churchill wanted to go to war with stalin . I seriously think you need to reexamine your understanding of history. However the ussr was not socialist and not the teachings of Marx. Marx wanted to free

:rolleyes:

I think you are, no pun intended, a typical western deluded communist, who has no clue how it worked, and what went on in the countries it was imposed on the people as a cruel experiment. Socialism/Communism cannot work, its against our biological programming.
I can tell you, I do know what went on, so you will not convince me of something we were forced to intensively study and tried to get rid of.

[jon galt]

We briefly allied with Russia to fight hitler after the war the aliance stoped . We did not give half of europe to the soviets they took it and their was not much we could do because by the end of world war 2 the soviets had nuclear technology. Churchill wanted to go to war with stalin . I seriously think you need to reexamine your understanding of history. However the ussr was not socialist and not the teachings of Marx. The ussr enslaved its own people. Marx wanted to abolish all class not the middle class. He wanted all to be equal. Every one working to their ability and getting a fair share of the produce. He believed that all labour is equal. But this is off topic . I'll make a new thread

[octopusrex]

I consider Hitler a tribalist. He took the Germanic Tribes and made a Volk outta them. National Socialism was simply a good way to do it. The Jews are doing it now with Zionism. It works because it solidifies folks into a working group with a common purpose.

In America, where we have so many races mixed up, you cant really be tribal because the tribes are all becoming extinct through the Melting Pot... Money, not race becomes the glue that holds society together.

The bankers love that.

Tribalism, especially when tempered with TOLERANCE and ACCEPTANCE of the other tribes is far more organic and useful. Folks will gravitate to folks who think and act alike. But especially to folks who have their same physical features.

Obviously, having the disrespect of trying to take over other folks territory is a bad politic. Leads to wars and murder. No need for that. But consider most major cities. There is a Korea Town, there is a Black Ghetto, there are Jewish Ghettos and such. Folks do this naturally. In the jails its overbearing.

Instead of going AGAINST human nature, we need to study it and make the most of it. This is why we need psychadellics. Folks who take psychadellics for a long time, like Steve Jobs become leaders... Moves and shakers.

What about a psychadellic nationalism? The Nation of Psychonatus. Here, race would not be necessary to apply.. only EXPERIENCE.;)

[andyh]

We briefly skies with Russia to fight hitler after the war the aliance stoped . We did not give half of europe to the soviets the took it and their was not much we could do because by the end of world war 2 the soviets had nuclear technology. Churchill wanted to go to war with stalin . I seriously think you need to reexamine your understanding of history. However the ussr was not socialist and not the teachings of Marx. Marx wanted to free

Try reading Bakunin instead of Marx.
Marx was full of shit.

[freedom1st]

I consider Hitler a tribalist. He took the Germanic Tribes and made a Volk outta them. National Socialism was simply a good way to do it. The Jews are doing it now with Zionism. It works because it solidifies folks into a working group with a common purpose.

In America, where we have so many races mixed up, you cant really be tribal because the tribes are all becoming extinct through the Melting Pot... Money, not race becomes the glue that holds society together.

The bankers love that.

Tribalism, especially when tempered with TOLERANCE and ACCEPTANCE of the other tribes is far more organic and useful. Folks will gravitate to folks who think and act alike. But especially to folks who have their same physical features.

Obviously, having the disrespect of trying to take over other folks territory is a bad politic. Leads to wars and murder. No need for that. But consider most major cities. There is a Korea Town, there is a Black Ghetto, there are Jewish Ghettos and such. Folks do this naturally. In the jails its overbearing.

Instead of going AGAINST human nature, we need to study it and make the most of it. This is why we need psychadellics. Folks who take psychadellics for a long time, like Steve Jobs become leaders... Moves and shakers.

What about a psychadellic nationalism? The Nation of Psychonatus. Here, race would not be necessary to apply.. only EXPERIENCE.;)

Excellent suggestion.:D

[jon galt]

Try reading Bakunin instead of Marx. Marx was full of shit.
I'm guessing that you have not read much or know much about Marx except that he was a commi. You should at least back up your statements with some substance.

Marx mainly attacted capitalism. I agree mostly with what I read on that. His theory on a socialist economy are quite off tho I prefer Schumpeter on that . When reading Marx it is important to remember that he was a philosopher not a politician or an economist. But I feel this is for a different thread.
And in my opinion anarchism is ' full of shit' for the main reason it would be chaos with out any form of government.

[jon galt]

What about a psychadellic nationalism? The Nation of Psychonatus. Here, race would not be necessary to apply.. only EXPERIENCE.

Excellent suggestion.
I'm starting to understand the logic ( or lack off) of some people on this thread.

[bjornyvan]

Marx mainly attacted capitalism.

Marx was a capitalist. Nevermind his writings. If he even wrote them. The man was a stock-speculating, money-grubbing, lying, cheating vampyric satanist psychopath.

[jon galt]

....... vampyric satanist psychopath.
Your words speak for them self about your delusional state of mind.

[bjornyvan]

How about reading about the person called Karl Marx?

I'd recommend this book:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kaiaUXaNAos/S1Va2HgkoLI/AAAAAAAAAQk/__4n3bysTuQ/s400/Marx-%26-Satan.jpg

Or - if you'd rather listen:

http://www.archive.org/details/KarlMarxAndSatan

More reading (won't hurt you): http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5676&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=14f6fa20938ab0743f7854e155da09f8

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Karl Marx? (The Cult of Marx - its origin in Satanism)


www.forerunner.com ^ | January 27, 1997 | Georgi Marchenko

Posted on 20. april 2004 21:28:01 by gobucks

The origin of Marxism is within a satanic mystery cult - something which very few Marxists are aware.


Before Marx became a famous economist and communist, he paid his tribute to humanism. Today, one-third of the world is Marxist.* Many in western countries acknowledge Marxism in one form or another. There are even many professing Christians, many of them highly revered, who are convinced that if Christ said many true things about the Kingdom of God, real answers on how to help hungry, poor and oppressed should be sought by reading Marx.

We've heard that Marx was a deep humanitarian; that he was possessed by the idea of helping the oppressed masses. His belief: The reason behind oppression is capitalism. As soon as this putrid system is destroyed after the time of proletariat's rule, a new society will appear in which everyone will work and receive according to their needs. There will be neither a state that represses individuality, nor war or revolution, but a world-wide brotherhood of nations lasting forever.

Marx opposed any form of religion since it prevented the fulfillment of his communist ideals - the only answer for all the world's problems.

This is the way Marxists explain their position. Yet there are even some Christians who have held similar views. Pastor Ostereier (UK) once preached in a sermon: "Communism, no matter in what form, good or bad as it appears today, is a movement for liberating man from exploitation. We, the members of Christ's body, humbly repenting should acknowledge that we owe a lot to every communist."

I have spent great deal of time and effort studying Marx's thoughts and I was fortunate to find some things that I'd like to share with my readers.

In early youth, Marx was a Christian. The first of Marx's known works was entitled, "Unity of believers in Christ according to the Gospel of John 15:1-14: Unity's meaning, unconditional necessity, and influence." Here we find the following words: "Union with Christ is found in a close and living fellowship with Him and in the fact that we always have Him before our eyes and in our hearts. And at the same time that we are possessed by the greatest love of Him, we direct our hearts to our brothers, with whom He bound us closely, and for whom He sacrificed Himself."

So Marx was aware of the way in which people may show brotherly love towards each other, that is, through Christianity.

He continues: "Therefore, unity with Christ internally exalts, comforts in trials, and makes the heart open to love people, not because of our pride or thirst for fame, but because of Christ."

At the about the same period of time, he writes in his work entitled: "Thoughts of a young man before choosing a profession":

"Religion teaches us the Ideal to Whom we all aspire. He has sacrificed Himself for all mankind. Who will dare to deny such assertions? If we have chosen a profession at which we may give our best to mankind, then we won't falter under its burden, because it is a sacrifice for all."

When he graduated from high school, his diploma contained the following in the category "Religious knowledge":

"His knowledge of Christian teachings and principles is clear and properly based. He also knows the history of Christian church to a great extent."

Soon after receiving of his diploma, something very mysterious happened. Even before Moses Gess led Marx to socialistic persuasions in 1841, he had become a zealous atheist. This change character could be seen in his later student years.

In one of his verses, Marx wrote: "I long to take vengeance on the One Who rules from above." Marx believed that "the One that rules from above" in fact existed. He contended with Him, although God never harmed him. Marx was from a relatively wealthy family. He didn't starve in his childhood and in his student years he lived much better than his friends. So what caused his fierce hatred towards God?

Personal motivations are not available to us. Maybe Marx was only somebody's else speaker in this defiant assertion?

During this period, the following lines are taken from him from the poem entiled: "Conjuration of falling into despair."

I'll set up my throne above, Cold and terrible will be the peak of it. Superstitious trembling is at its base, Master - most black agony.

The one who will look with healthy looks, Will turn away, turn pale and deadly mute. Possessed by blind and cold deathness, will prepare a tomb with his happiness.

The words "I'll set up my throne" and his confession that agony and fear will go forth from the one who is sitting upon the throne, remind us Lucifer's proud boast: "I will ascend to heaven, higher than God's stars I will set up my throne" (Isiah 14:13).

Why did Marx need such a throne? The answer for this question is in an infamous drama written by Marx in his student years. The drama is called "Oulanem." There is a mention of a satanic "Black mass," a ritual conducted by a priest at midnight in which a Bible is burned. All present promise to commit all the seven deadly sins mentioned in the Roman Catholic catechism and to never perform any good works. An orgy follows after that.

Worship of Satan is very old. In Deuteronomy we read that the Jews "made sacrifices to demons" (32:17). Later, the king of Israel, Jeroboam, set up priests of the high places and of the goats and bulls that he made"(2 Kings 12:25-33).

The "Oulanem" can be understood if we read with Marx's bizarre confession made in the verse "Nidler":

Hellish evaporations rise and fill my brains, Until I will go mad and my heart will not change dramatically. See this sword? The King of darkness sold it to me.

These lines have special meaning when we take into account that during the rituals of higher dedication into a satanic cult, a bewitched sword that guarantees a success is sold to the candidate. He pays for it by signing with his blood taken from his vein the contract which makes his soul belong to Satan after death.

And now I'll quote "Oulanem":

For he is marking time and giving signs. Bolder and bolder I play the dance of death. And they too: Oulanem, Oulanem. This name sounds like death, Sounds until won't stop in miserable shapes. Halt! Now I have it. It rises from my soul, Clear as air, hard as my bones. And still, you personified mankind, I may take you by the power of my mighty hands and crush with fierce force In the meantime, as the abyss gapes before me and you in the darkness, You will fall in it and I'll follow you, Laughing and whispering into your ear: "Come down with me, friend!"

The Holy Scripture, which Marx learned in high school, says that devil was cast down by an angel into the abyss (Rev. 20:3). Marx wanted to send all mankind into this abyss prepared for the devil and his angels.

Who speaks for Marx in this drama? Is it reasonable to expect this from such a young man - that he would dream that mankind would fall into the abyss (the "outer darkness" as the Bible calls it), and that he himself laughing will follow those who were ensnared by unbelief? Nowhere in the world is this idea cultivated except in the rituals of dedication into the higher degrees of the Satanic church.

The time to die has come for Oulanem. These are his words:

Perished, perished. My time is over. The clock has stopped, the tiny building has fallen. Soon I'll squeeze eternity to me, and with a wild cry Will speak out a curse to all mankind.

Marx liked to repeat Mephistopheles' words from Goethe's "Faust": "all existing is worthy to be destroyed." All, including the worker and those who fought for communism in battle. Marx liked to quote these words and Stalin acted according to these words and destroyed even his own family.

Members of Satan's cult are not materialists. They believe in life after death. Oulanem, the person whose character Marx assumes, does not deny life after death. But acknowledges it as a life full of hate to the highest degree. I should mention that "eternity" means "torture" to demons. This is the reason why demons rebuked Jesus: "And so they cried out: what do you have to do with us, Jesus, Son of God? Have you come to torture us before our time" (Matt. 8:29).

Marx says the same thing:

Hah, eternity, our eternal pain, Indescribable, unmeasurable death! Disgusting, artificially conceived, To despise us - We, who ourselves, as a clock mechanism Blindly mechanical, created to be Foolish calendars of time and space, Without any purpose, Besides accidental appearance for destruction.

We begin to realize what happened to young Marx. He used to have Christian ideals, but he didn't applying them to his life. His correspondence with his father testifies of spending of large amounts of money for entertainment that caused endless conflicts with his parents. In this situation, he possibly was entangled in the snare of a secret Satanic cult and went through the ritual of dedication. Satan is seen by his followers in hallucinations during the orgies and speaks through their mouths. Marx is just Satan's voice when he proclaims "I want to take vengeance on the One who is above."

Let's go to the end of "Oulanem" drama:

Hah! Tortured on the burning wheel, I must happily dance in the circle of eternity: If there would be anything beyond it, I'd jump into it, even if I had to destroy the world for it.

Build between it and me! It must be destroyed with curses. I'll supress stubborn existence by my hands. Embracing me, it should calmly fade out. And then - down to nowhere. Completely disappear, and not to be - that would be - the life.

In the "Oulanem" drama Marx, in fact, does the same thing as the devil. He curses all humanity.

"Oulanem" is probably the only drama in the world in which all the players are so sure of their sinfulness and revel in it as on a holiday. There is neither white nor black, neither Claudio and Ophelia, Iago and Desdemona. Everything is black in it, and every one appeared to have Mephistopheles' character. All of it's players are demonic and doomed to perish.

When Marx was writing "Oulanem," the young genius was 18. His plan for his life was very clear by that time. He had no illusions about serving mankind, the proletariat or socialism. He wanted to destroy the world, set up a throne for himself that would be based upon the world's shocks, throes and convulsions.

At this stage, Marx's views were developing. Some mysterious things appear in his correspondence with his father. For instance, the son writes: "The cover has fallen, my Holy of Holies was emptied and there was a need to put new gods there." This was written on November 10, 1837 by the young fellow who previously professed to be a Christian. He used to profess that Christ inhabited in his heart. Suddenly this turned upside-down. What new gods replaced Christ's place?

Marx's father replied (February 10, 1838): "I didn't demand any explanations about such a mysterious thing, though it seems to be very controversial." What was that mysterious thing? No biographer has been able to explain these puzzling words.

What suddenly caused young Marx's father to express anxiety for controversial influences on his young son?

In a poem, Karl Marx wrote:

I have lost heaven, And know that for sure. My soul, once faithful to God, Now is destined for hell.

We need not comment.

Marx began with proud ambitions in art. His verse and drama were important for the discovery of his inner world, but because of the absence of poetic talent, they remained useless. Failures in painting and architecture gave us Hitler; in drama - Goebels; in philosophy - Rosenberg.

Marx was the implacable enemy of all gods, a man who bought a sword from the prince of darkness for the price of his own soul.

Did Marx really buy a sword from the Satan?

His daughter, Eleonora, wrote book entitled: "The Moor and the general - memoirs of Marx and Engels." She says that Karl told many stories to her and his other daughter when they were children. Her favorite story was about some one named Hans Rekle. This story was continued for months and seemed to never end. Hans Rekle was a wizard who had a toy shop and a lot of debts. Though he was wizard, he constantly was in need of money. Therefore, in spite of his desire, he had to sell all his cute toys one by one to the devil. Eleonora wrote that some of these adventures were so awful that her hair stood on end.

Robert Payne, in his book "Marx," also tells in detail, from Eleonora's words, how the poor wizard Rekle unwillingly was selling his toys keeping them until the very last moment. But because he had an agreement with devil, he was unable to escape.

The biographer comments: "Scarely can we doubt that those never ending stories were autobiographic. Sometimes it seemed as though he was realizing that he was performing the devil's duty." Marx didn't conceive of socialism when was finishing "Oulanem" and other early works in which he admits he made a pact with Satan.

At that time Marx met Moses Gess, the man who played most significant role in his life and led Marx to accept socialistic ideals.

In a letter to B. Auerbasch (1841), Gess characterized Marx as "the greatest, possibly the only, philosopher of today ... Dr. Marx is very young (24 years old at the most); he'll strike the final blow on religion and philosophy." So the first target was to strike a blow to religion not socialism.

It is a myth that Marx had been pursuing the ideal of helping mankind, that religion was the obstacle on the way to the realization of those ideals, and that this was the reason why he took an anti-religious position. On the contrary, Marx hated all gods and couldn't hear about God. Socialism was only a decoy to attract the proletariat and intelligensia to the realization of a satanic ideal.

Marx publicly spoke about metaphysics very little, but we can gather information about his views from those with whom he communicated. One of his co-members in the First International was Mikhail Bakunin - a Russian anarchist who wrote that the devil was the first free thinker and the world savior; that the devil liberated Adam and sealed his face with the seal of humanism making him disobedient.

Bakunin not only glorified Lucifer, but had a concrete program of revolution - but not the kind that is able to free the poor from oppression. He wrote: "In this revolution, we'll have to wake up the devil in people in order to stir up their lowest passions."

Here it is very important to give special signicficance to the fact that Marx and his friends, being against God, were not atheists as modern Marxists call themselves. Although they denied God publicly, they hated the One Whose existence they never doubted.

All active Satanists have a disorderly personal life, Marx was no exception. Arnold Kunzli, in his book, "Marx - Psychography," wrote that Marx was guilty of causing the suicide of two of his daughters and one son-in-law. His daughter Laura also buried three of her own children and then committed suicide together with her husband.

Marx had lost a lot of money on the exchange. Being a brilliant economist, he nevertheless could only loose money.

Since everything in a satanic cult is covered by secrecy, we only have a suspicion that Marx had ties to the cult. His slovenly life could be one more in the chain of evidence.

Marx was a highly intelligent person, as was Engels, however their correspondence full of indecencies which are unusual for men of their social position. A lot of obscene words, but never do we read of these idealists communicating their humanistic or socialistic dreams.

Everything in Marx' behavior had a demonic character. His friend Weitling wrote: "Usual topics for conversation with Marx are atheism, the guillotine, Hegel, rope and knife." Being a Jew himself, he wrote an anti-semetic book called, "The Jewish Question." He hated not only Jews. He hated Germans and asserted that "only a stick can raise a German." He use to talk about "the dumb German nation" and the fact that "German, Chinese and Jewish people can be compared to the street vendors." Finally, he makes mentions of "the disgusting national narrow-mindedness of Germans" (A. Kunzli "Marx - Psychography.") He counted Russians as a people of the lowest sort, "a barbarian race," and called Slavics - "ethnic garbage."

So we have paid some attention to several inclinations that allow us to believe that Marx may well ahve been a Satanist.

Here is one more interesting fact. Captain Reese, a disciple of Marx, grieved by the news of his death, went to London to visit the house where his beloved teacher once lived. The Marx family had already left the home and he was only able to talk to the servant who lived in the same house. He heard the following amazing words about Marx from her: "He was a man with the fear of God. When he was very ill, he used to pray alone in his room before burning candles, wound round his head was something like tape." This reminds philacteries used by the Jews during their morning prayers. But Marx was baptized in a Christian church. He never confessed Judaism and later became an enemy of God. He had been writing books against religion and had brought up all his children to be atheists. So what was that ceremony which the uneducated servant understood to be a prayer? Praying Jews with phylacteries on their face never place a row of candles before them. Could it have been some sort of a satanic ritual?

Another possible hint is in a letter to Marx from his son Edgar, dated March 21, 1854. It begins with these astonishing words, "My Dear Devil." Where else does a son greet his father in such a ridiculous way? But Satanists write so to the ones they love. Was his son involved too?

One more significant fact, Marx wife wrote to him in August of 1844: "Your last pastoral letter, Higher Priest and soul Possessor, brought peace and calmness to your poor flock."

Marx clearly expressed his dream concerning the elimination of all religions in "Communist Manifesto." We should assume satanic cults were included here too. But his wife addresses him as a Higher Priest. But of what religion? The only faith confessed in Europe where a Higher Priest is present is Satanism. So what kind of pastoral letters could a man write who was known as an atheist? Where are those letters? These are periods of Marx's life that remain unexplored.

Marx died in desperation, as all Satanists die. He wrote to Engels on March 25, 1883, "How purposeless and empty life is, but how desired!"

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The Cult of Lenin


Marxism hides a mystery of which very few Marxists are aware. Yet Lenin wrote a half century later that none of the Marxists comprehended Marx.

There is a mystery in Lenin's life too. Here is what he wrote about the Soviet state: "The State is in our hands. And did it act this year according to the new economic policy as we desired? No, it didn't. We don't want to admit the following: it acted not as we desired. So how did it act? The machine jumped out of our hands: as if another person controlled it, and the machine didn't go to the place where we directed it, but went to the place where that someone else dictated."

What were those mysterious forces that overcame the plans of former Bolshevik's leaders? They gave life to a force, hoping to control it, but it appeared to be more terrible than they expected. What made them desperate?

I do not pretend that I have found perfect evidence of Marx's membership in a Satanic cult. But I believe there is a lot of information that points us to such a conclusion.

Again: I realize, the information given here by myself is far from perfect. This question has to be researched in details by someone else. However, from what is written here, we may conclude - that the Marx described by Marxists is nothing more than a myth.

The Marx who loves all people is a myth created after his death.

Darwin's book made Marx really happy. In his opinion, it was one more blow that forced man to forget his Godly origin and his great destiny. Darwin said that a man evolved from the ape and has no other purpose but to survive.

Satan was not able to pull down God's throne. Therefore, he made men valueless. Man was represented as a slave of his stomach and a descendant of an animal.

Later Freud continued the work of those two satanic giants, reducing human beings to base sexual instincts which sometimes give rise to politics, art and religion.

* * * * * * * Some more before I finish. I have saved most important for the end.

Jesus spoke to the church at Pergamos some peculiar words: "I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan's throne is" (Rev. 2,13). Evidently, Pergamos was the center of a satanic cult in ancient times. A famous tourist book by Bedecker mentions, in a section dedicated to Berlin, that since 1944, the Altar of Pergamos was placed in one of Berlin's museums after it was excavated by German archeologists.

But this is not the end of the Satanic altar story. The Swedish paper "Svenska Dagbladet" reported the following on January 27, 1948:

1. After capturing Berlin, the Soviet Army removed the original Satanic altar to Moscow. (Strange, but for a long time the altar was not shown in any Soviet museum. Why it was necessary to remove it to Moscow? I mentioned earlier that some higher leaders of the Soviet hierarchy practiced satanic rituals. Possibly they wanted to keep the altar of Pergamos for their personal usage? There are many dark spots here. Even fragments of such precious archeological rarities don't disappear.)

2. Architect Schusev, who built Lenin's tomb, took the Pergamos altar as the project prototype. This was in 1924. It's a known fact that Schusev received all the needed information from Frederic Paulsen - an acknowledged authority in archeology.

Satan's altar of Pergamos was only one of a kind. Why did Christ point to it? Perhaps because it was to play a leading role. His words were prophetic.

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Endnote from the translator - Lenin's tomb is still standing today in the very center of Moscow, Red Square, containing the dead body of the person who made the most terrible and costly revolution and civil war in our history. Despite the number of proposals to bury the body, it remains at the same location five years after the Soviet Union's collapse.

Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1121228/posts

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Marx the hypocrite: http://theswash.com/2010/06/07/karl-marx-not-just-an-asshole-but-a-hypocrite-too/

[andyh]

I'm guessing that you have not read much or know much about Marx except that he was a commi. You should at least back up your statements with some substance.

Marx mainly attacted capitalism. I agree mostly with what I read on that. His theory on a socialist economy are quite off tho I prefer Schumpeter on that . When reading Marx it is important to remember that he was a philosopher not a politician or an economist. But I feel this is for a different thread.
And in my opinion anarchism is ' full of shit' for the main reason it would be chaos with out any form of government.

Marx was an authoritarian nutjob.
I've read plenty of it along with Bakunin and Proudhon which you would know if you were on the forum long enough.

[jon galt]

Never read the book but if the guy relates marxism to Stalinism then he obviously has ni idea what he is talking about . A bit like you. But I feel this is the wrong thread for such a discussion.

[andyh]

Never read the book but if the guy relates marxism to Stalinism then he obviously has ni idea what he is talking about . A bit like you. But I feel this is the wrong thread for such a discussion.

Says the n00b with 81 posts who probably votes along with the rest of the retards because govt knows best and is good for you.
GFY.

[jon galt]

Says the n00b with 81 posts who probably votes along with the rest of the retards because govt knows best and is good for you. GFY. _______


What does being a noob have to do with any thing ? I'm guessing because that you have been a member of david icke . Com for a longer period of time than me your inellect must be much more than mine. Does your intelligence increase with every post you make ? This is one of the most retarded statements I have ever heard. I try to look for logic in peoples arguments but in this case there seems to be none.
Also I think it would make for a more inteligent discussion if people could leave vampires satanists and demons out of the conversation. some of you really are paranoid.As one poster all ready noted this site is like an online mental asylum. Welcome to the world of david icke

[andyh]

What does being a noob have to do with any thing ? I'm guessing because that you have been a member of david icke . Com for a longer period of time than me your inellect must be much more than mine. Does your intelligence increase with every post you make ? This is one of the most retarded statements I have ever heard. I try to look for logic in peoples arguments but in this case there seems to be none.
Also I think it would make for a more inteligent discussion if people could leave vampires satanists and demons out of the conversation. some of you really are paranoid.As one poster all ready noted this site is like an online mental asylum. Welcome to the world of david icke

The mental asylum is the bunch of idiots walking into polling booths...like it somehow means anything or makes a difference.

[bjornyvan]

What does being a noob have to do with any thing ? I'm guessing because that you have been a member of david icke . Com for a longer period of time than me your inellect must be much more than mine. Does your intelligence increase with every post you make ? This is one of the most retarded statements I have ever heard. I try to look for logic in peoples arguments but in this case there seems to be none.
Also I think it would make for a more inteligent discussion if people could leave vampires satanists and demons out of the conversation. some of you really are paranoid.As one poster all ready noted this site is like an online mental asylum. Welcome to the world of david icke

I think it's good to be jolly and smell the flowers.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9581/himmlerflowersxg4.jpg

[hadaka_jimmy]

I think it's good to be jolly and smell the flowers.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9581/himmlerflowersxg4.jpg

Or feeding the deer...

http://www.ealtbay.com/uplimg/img_A_102843_ab75c7bc660915a477d697e2e3d22501.jpg

[octopusrex]

Or feeding the deer...

http://www.ealtbay.com/uplimg/img_A_102843_ab75c7bc660915a477d697e2e3d22501.jpg


Beautiful pics. I will surely put the one with Bambi and uncle Adolf on my wall.

[rorschach]

national socialism is a lie to further a tyrants ideology and sell it to a nation ignorant thanks to years of tyranny and it will never surface again on this planet for that reason .

oh and the internet helps to keep it in check via educating people :)

[bjornyvan]

national socialism is

a political/economic system and an ideology which can be compared to many other political/economic systems and ideologies.

If you want to know how national socialism was formulated and put into practice in Hitler's Germany, then I encourage you to read the NSDAP program from 1924 as well as study what various encyclopedias say about what actually took place in Nazi Germany. Not the rumors, but the documented facts. Read about the changes pertaining to economy, industry, administration and organization, the infrastructure, new laws etc. And you will learn something about what national socialism actually is. Or maybe rather: how it took form in Germany 1933-1945.

National socialism is not reserved for any particular people or race. Study f.ex Vietnam today and you'll find very strong national socialist characteristics.

http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/october202010/vietnam-development.jpg

http://www.vmvnews.com/wp-content/uploads/Vietnam-China-Youth-Meeting-held.jpg

[tinyint]

1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.

2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.

4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.

6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.

We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.

Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.

19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.

20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.

22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.

23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:

(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.

(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.

(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.

Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.

24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.

The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the pinciple:

COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.

The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.

The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.


http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm


Funny, that the GDR army was called NVA(Nationale Volksarmee).

Point 19 is extremely important, and the reason we are in such a mess, because the UK is carrier of roman law, which make us all slaves(corporate person) instead of a natural person.

[bjornyvan]

Care to say something about the difference between Roman law and German law, tiny?

[tinyint]

Care to say something about the difference between Roman law and German law, tiny?

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059990275&postcount=26

Has been completely disabled by our beloved "liberators".

Capitis deminutio (lit. "decrease of head") is a term used in Roman trials referring to the extinguishing, either in whole or in part, of a person's former legal capacity.

There were three changes of state or condition attended with different consequences, maxima, media and minima. The greatest, capitis deminutio maxima, involved the loss of liberty, citizenship, and family (e.g. being made a slave or prisoner of war). The next change of state, capitis deminutio media, consisted of a loss of citizenship and family without any forfeiture of personal liberty. The least change of state, capitis deminutio minima, consisted of a person ceasing to belong to a particular family, without loss of liberty or citizenship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitis_deminutio

It is why we urgently need this peace treaty, we are considered pow, maxima that is.

Meet your strawman
Meet Your Strawman! - YouTube

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059901791&postcount=30

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060302869&postcount=159

Don't know about Norway.

[bjornyvan]

Oh, I see. Seems I have a piece of reading to do.

Anyway: What do western countries follow nowadays? Is it still Roman law or something else?

The Norwegian justice system is pretty good, I believe, but we do have the problem that the police and secret service/secret police also go around the law to get what they want. F.ex they hassle people who they view as political enemies. Like the Holocaust denier Tore Tvedt. With him they employ all kinds of methods. Quietly - without any media attention. (Force him out of his house and so on. So he can't settle down anywhere and live in peace. Monitor his phone, internet and all other activities, stop him and harass him on the road when he's driving somewhere, intimidate his friends etc. I'm probably monitored too as I spoke to the guy on the phone.)

http://stolzarien.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/tore_wilhelm_tvedt__662158f.jpg
Tore Tvedt. Norwegian badguy No.1. Denies the Holocaust and says bad things about Jews. + is Norway's No.1 expert on international politics, modern history and probably also economy. And doesn't want to shut his mouth.

And then we have the problem that a very large percentage of our judges and attorneys are Freemasons. Who don't give a shit about the law - only their allegiance to the other "boys on the square."

[octopusrex]

Excellent suggestion.:D

Still working on the detials. They say the devil hides in the details.:D

[octopusrex]

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059990275&postcount=26

Has been completely disabled by our beloved "liberators".



It is why we urgently need this peace treaty, we are considered pow, maxima that is.

Meet your strawman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME7K6P7hlko)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME7K6P7hlko

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059901791&postcount=30

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060302869&postcount=159

Don't know about Norway.

Que paranoide. Mensch, bist du doch der Dieter? Mesch....:D

[tinyint]

Que paranoide. Mensch, bist du doch der Dieter? Mesch....:D

Que Dieter?

Pero soy humano. :D

[octopusrex]

Que Dieter?

Pero soy humano. :D

OWS would point to the fact that Germany (better said the German Volk) are soon to be liberated, as I hope, are all the rest of the tribes, especially my poor in-danger-of-extinction Huichol peoples. We might have just saved the day, lad.:D:D

[bjornyvan]

Heino - Teure Heimat 2011 - YouTube

[tinyint]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ixvxswj5vc

Btw, Heino has recently given back a TV price.
Reason: hypocrisy in media, and cheer leading/honouring of actually criminal scum.

Very decent decision. He has my respect for that.

[bjornyvan]

I like Heino. Power to Heino.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Die Toten Hosen - Skandal um den wahren Heino Norbert Hähnel ~1985 - YouTube

hanson brothers - you can't hide the Heino - YouTube