Icke was on UK TV today

[neutron flux]

Did anyone catch the program "Who Really Runs The World?" today? I don't usually watch much TV and today I was home and had a feeling to turn it on - and lo and behold a conspiracy program on channel 4 at 10:30 am.

For such a program I was expecting to get the usual bollocks, and they didn't disappoint when Prof. whatsitsname, their resident debunker, was wheeled out whenever something like this is broadcast.

Most of it really showed that most people don't believe in the crap they're fed and most believed in some sort of government conspiracy- but the "psychologists" seem to think that's down to some kind of rationale to make sense of a chaotic world or some such nonsense and they even tried to prove that people who believe in conspiracies are distrustful of others, loners etc.

Icke was quite good in it (even this forum flashed up briefly at the start) and he met with prof.whatsisname on the Isle of Wight, where he tried to debate Icke but hadn't read any of his books - I suppose he thought he didn't need to because he already has the answers. :rolleyes:

It tried slightly to twist some things like the Observer reporter who wrote a article about the 7/7 bombings that stated eye witnesses noticed the carriage blown inwards - but of course the witnesses were wrong.:confused:

On the whole it dealt briefly with UFO's, Diana, 9/11 etc and pretty much failed to ridicule - apart from prof.whatsisface - which might explain why it was shown at 10:30 in the morning.

And probably never shown again.

[revelations]

Can you upload it for all of us who missed it? :confused:

[lottie]

Ba**rds!!

a conspiracy program on channel 4 at 10:30 am

Why put it on at that time of day? So no-one bloody see's it, like when they broadcast 'was he right' on Ch5 at 11pm! :rolleyes::mad:

I think thats the one he wrote in his newsletter about a while ago- how he met that bloke Chris (prof.whatisname) off 'This Morning' and 'Most Haunted' (says it all) who tried to de-bunk everything he said....:rolleyes:

They better bloody repeat it!!

[lookfar]

Oh bollocks, I always miss stuff when I'm stuck at work!!:mad: Hopefully it'll appear on You Tube soon though...:)

[revelations]

I hope so! :)
Oh bollocks, I always miss stuff when I'm stuck at work!!:mad: Hopefully it'll appear on You Tube soon though...:)

[neutron flux]

Can you upload it for all of us who missed it?

Sorry, I didn't record it, it was only by fluke that I even noticed it. :(


Why put it on at that time of day? So no-one bloody see's it, like when they broadcast 'was he right' on Ch5 at 11pm!

Yeah, the main competition would be that moronic crap "This Morning" on ITV which I suppose most people would watch.

I think thats the one he wrote in his newsletter about a while ago- how he met that bloke Chris (prof.whatisname) off 'This Morning' and 'Most Haunted' (says it all) who tried to de-bunk everything he said....



Yeah, he's the resident debunker on just about everything. :mad:

[auron]

Yeah, he's the resident debunker on just about everything. :mad:
A bit like Albie then? :rolleyes:

[phoebe]

Did anyone catch the program "Who Really Runs The World?" today? I don't usually watch much TV and today I was home and had a feeling to turn it on - and lo and behold a conspiracy program on channel 4 at 10:30 am.

For such a program I was expecting to get the usual bollocks, and they didn't disappoint when Prof. whatsitsname, their resident debunker, was wheeled out whenever something like this is broadcast.

Most of it really showed that most people don't believe in the crap they're fed and most believed in some sort of government conspiracy- but the "psychologists" seem to think that's down to some kind of rationale to make sense of a chaotic world or some such nonsense and they even tried to prove that people who believe in conspiracies are distrustful of others, loners etc.

Icke was quite good in it (even this forum flashed up briefly at the start) and he met with prof.whatsisname on the Isle of Wight, where he tried to debate Icke but hadn't read any of his books - I suppose he thought he didn't need to because he already has the answers. :rolleyes:

It tried slightly to twist some things like the Observer reporter who wrote a article about the 7/7 bombings that stated eye witnesses noticed the carriage blown inwards - but of course the witnesses were wrong.:confused:

On the whole it dealt briefly with UFO's, Diana, 9/11 etc and pretty much failed to ridicule - apart from prof.whatsisface - which might explain why it was shown at 10:30 in the morning.

And probably never shown again.

I think the part I bolded is very true.
Of course conspiracy theorists are trying to make sense
of a chaotic world...
What else could they be doing?
And what is anyone doing when they question
and try to find meaning in the world around us?
Conspiracy theorists are effectively trying to explain something
that I doubt any one single person has a complete handle on.

It is also very true that conspiracists are paranoid and
distrustful of others - whether their paranoia came before
or after they learnt about conspiracy isn't important.
You just have to look at the evidence on this forum -
at how some people are so paranoid that they can't even
accept someone else's differing opinion without thinking they
are agents or somesuch.

As you said the film pointed to the fact that
'most people don't believe in the crap they're fed'.
That's really all that is needed isn't it?
What's the point in deliberately eternally over details
and shouting when there's people who try to debunk
these details when there's very little likelihood that we'll ever know the
complete truth either way anyway?

[who elsie]

Yes, shame about the timing of this one I would like to have seen Icke sparring with Professor what's-his-face - better known as Chris French - probably one of the smuggest, most annoying little shits on tv. I'm surprised he hasn't got his own show yet - The Debunkers Guide to World Mysteries and Conspiracies. It would be pretty easy to put together as it would require no research at all, just plenty of smug put-downs.

Channel 4 programmes are often repeated about a week later on their sister stations on digital - E4 and More 4, so I'll look out for it.

[neutron flux]

I've just realized that if you go here:

http://www.channel4.com/4od/index.html

Download and install the 4od program on your desktop then perform a search on "who runs the world" you should be able to find it to download or stream for free. :)

[auron]

Yes, shame about the timing of this one I would like to have seen Icke sparring with Professor what's-his-face - better known as Chris French - probably one of the smuggest, most annoying little shits on tv. I'm surprised he hasn't got his own show yet - The Debunkers Guide to World Mysteries and Conspiracies. It would be pretty easy to put together as it would require no research at all, just plenty of smug put-downs.

Here's wiki's take on him:

Christopher C. French BA PhD CPsychol FBPsS FRSA is a psychologist and vocal skeptic specialising in the psychology of paranormal beliefs and experiences, cognition and emotion.

He is currently Professor of psychology at Goldsmiths College, University of London, is head of their Anomalistic Psychology Research Unit which he founded in the year 2000 and is the co-editor of The Skeptic (UK) magazine with Victoria Hamilton.

He teaches a course entitled Psychology, Parapsychology and Pseudoscience as part of the BSc (Hons) Psychology programmes at both Goldsmiths College and Birkbeck College. He is a Chartered Psychologist and a Fellow of the British Psychological Society. He has published over 60 articles and chapters covering a wide range of topics within psychology, including publications in the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, the Quarterly Journal of Experimental Psychology, the British Journal of Psychology and the British Journal of Clinical Psychology.

His main current area of research is the psychology of paranormal beliefs and anomalous experiences. In addition to academic activities, such as conference presentations and invited talks in other departments, he frequently appears on radio and television casting a sceptical eye over paranormal claims. He has taken part in programmes dealing with a wide range of such claims including psychic predictions, telepathy, faith healing, hypnotic past life regression, ghosts, UFO abductions, out-of-body experiences, astrological claims and so on. He has appeared on various science programmes (e.g. Equinox, Science Now, All in the Mind) and documentaries (e.g. Heart of the Matter, Everyman) as well as numerous discussion programmes (e.g. Esther; The Time, The Place; Kilroy; This Morning). In 1997, he was one of three sceptics sitting on a panel for a 90-minute live debate on UFOs broadcast at peak viewing time by the Strange But True? team to mark the 50th anniversary of UFOs. In 1998, he took part in an investigation of reincarnation claims amongst the Druze people of Lebanon, broadcast as part of the To the Ends of the Earth series. This involved spending around three weeks in Lebanon with a film crew.

In August 1996, he organised and chaired an integrated paper session on the topic of The Psychology of Paranormal and Pseudoscientific Beliefs at the XXVI International Congress of Psychology in Montreal. He also contributed to a symposium on The Psychology of Anomalous Experience at the British Association Annual Festival in Birmingham in September 1996. In July 1997, he chaired a symposium on The Psychology of Paranormal Belief at the Fifth European Congress of Psychology in Dublin. He presented a paper at a conference on Paranormal and Superstitious Beliefs: A Skeptical Examination at Manchester Metropolitan University on Friday 13 November 1998. In February 1999, he contributed to a symposium of the Royal Statistical Society (which he co-organised). In July 1999, he co-organised and presented a paper at a half-day conference on Parapsychology: Current Status and Future Prospects at Goldsmiths College and gave a paper at the Sixth European Congress of Psychology in Rome. In February 2001, he gave an invited presentation to the Institute for Cultural Research at the Royal Society of Medicine and he has organised two symposia at major conferences (Glasgow, March 2001; London, July 2001).

He is now on ITV's programme Haunted Homes.

Bloody hell! I don't think i've ever seen so many letters after someone's name!

What he is saying must be true!!

[auron]

I've just realized that if you go here:

http://www.channel4.com/4od/index.html

Download and install the 4od program on your desktop then perform a search on "who runs the world" you should be able to find it to download or stream for free. :)
Nice one mate! :)

[freedomnonfighter]

A bit like Albie then? :rolleyes:

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_40.gif

Bloody hell! I don't think i've ever seen so many letters after someone's name!

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1886/aelaughingatyouhc3.gif

[celtic isis]

Ba**rds!!



Why put it on at that time of day? So no-one bloody see's it, like when they broadcast 'was he right' on Ch5 at 11pm! :rolleyes::mad:

I think thats the one he wrote in his newsletter about a while ago- how he met that bloke Chris (prof.whatisname) off 'This Morning' and 'Most Haunted' (says it all) who tried to de-bunk everything he said....:rolleyes:

They better bloody repeat it!!


you're exactly right there lottie, same here on french tv it's even worse, these type of things are on quite often but they show them so damn late at night :rolleyes:

fair play to icke though, typical of the psychologists angle though, saying oh it's just people trying to make sense of a caotic world...fuck off you quacks lol

:mad::D

cheers neutron flux :)

i damn hope the truth will win out in the end :confused:

[celtic isis]

Nice one mate! :)

yep cheers again! :D

[whitenight639]

fucking channel 4, i cant get 40d on my linux based pc so if anyone knows the name of the show or sees it on youtube id appreciate it!

[revelations]

YEAH ME TOO.. LET US KNOW IF YOU FIND IT!
fucking channel 4, i cant get 40d on my linux based pc so if anyone knows the name of the show or sees it on youtube id appreciate it!

[brett]

French ADMITTED he hadn't even READ any of David Icke's books!!

So much for an unbiased opinion!!

I thought Icke was gonna kick his scrawny ass!!

[bargain84]

The program(same one I think) has been put up on google video, click here (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3082712932054125675&q=Who+Really+Runs+The+World%3F&total=410&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0):)

[revolutionary_jam]

yay i wanna seeee

[revelations]

NICE ONE bargain! ;)
The program(same one I think) has been put up on google video, click here (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3082712932054125675&q=Who+Really+Runs+The+World%3F&total=410&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0):)

[gremlin]

The program(same one I think) has been put up on google video, click here (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3082712932054125675&q=Who+Really+Runs+The+World%3F&total=410&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0):)

nice one
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[castle]

Ba**rds!!

Why put it on at that time of day? So no-one bloody see's it, like when they broadcast 'was he right' on Ch5 at 11pm! :rolleyes::mad:

I think thats the one he wrote in his newsletter about a while ago- how he met that bloke Chris (prof.whatisname) off 'This Morning' and 'Most Haunted' (says it all) who tried to de-bunk everything he said....:rolleyes:

They better bloody repeat it!!

Are you really suggesting they made a program and then transmitted it at such a time that no one would watch on purpose?

Easier solution dont make the programme?

[cf24]

Just watched this..... The test they conducted on the students was a complete load of bollocks. They had both decided what outcome they wanted from the results before deciding on the tests and candidates. Patrick's group were clued up, while the other group were just plain ignorant and what people on here would call 'sheeple'.....

Both Chris and Patrick deserve a good slap....

[brotherapostate]

No point in wasting my time on this load of silly bollocks, why put up with the bullshit?

[peachped]

Hah! THat was great cheers! pity about the tellytubbies on the lawn but on the whole - a miss piece! DI was good on it especially on the beach at the end :)

[lottie]

:rolleyes:LOL- that was hilarious....another 'mainstream' presentation of an attempt to be 'open minded'!! :D Tiresomely predictable....i dont blame Dave for not wanting to discuss it...i was getting frustrated....!!:rolleyes:

Bloody hovercrafts!!:D;)

[cf24]

Im sure I just saw someone in a pink tu-tu on that hovercraft.....;):D

[tejas]

I watched it.

Interesting ideas on the psychology behind conspiracy, which I certainly think is accurate.

However, does that bear any relevance on how true something is or not?

If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things

Doubt is the origin of wisdom.

I wonder if Chris French could do a psychological profile on my good friend Descarte....

[dondaz]

I'd love to Roger Cook those film-makers. What a bunch of MK Ultra's. Sold their souls to pay for their morgages...:eek:

I wonder if they'd be interested in a police conspiracy:rolleyes:

[bigus_dickus]

Just watched this..... The test they conducted on the students was a complete load of bollocks. They had both decided what outcome they wanted from the results before deciding on the tests and candidates. Patrick's group were clued up, while the other group were just plain ignorant and what people on here would call 'sheeple'.....

Both Chris and Patrick deserve a good slap....

just watched it too.

the "experiment" was fixed. you can see this if you know a bit about psychology and the methods that psychologists use to get their results. in this case, it didn't have to do with the group types, it had to do with the way the "psychologists" conveyed the theory to them and especially the question they asked them to vote. also, all of them were subject to "group mentality", they were too easy to handle having to face the other's opinions.

the experiment was completely bogus.

[Anders Lindman]

The man who claimed to be a psychology researcher tried to sound as if he had professional knowledge about David Icke's books, and then it turned out that he hadn't read any of David's books. lmao :D

[Anders Lindman]

just watched it too.

the "experiment" was fixed. you can see this if you know a bit about psychology and the methods that psychologists use to get their results. in this case, it didn't have to do with the group types, it had to do with the way the "psychologists" conveyed the theory to them and especially the question they asked them to vote. also, all of them were subject to "group mentality", they were too easy to handle having to face the other's opinions.

the experiment was completely bogus.

Good point. It was certainly not a double-blind experiment. Such experiment must also be shown to be repeatable. And repeated by scientists on both sides of the argument to remove eventual bias.

[Anders Lindman]

And repeated by scientists on both sides of the argument to remove eventual bias.

For example, the scientists who are against the argument will likely come up with a different set of questions for the test persons to answer than the scientists who are for the argument.

[barbitone]

Ha ha! Ickey is solid as rock!:D I'd put David up against any "letter after themself experts".....

[auron]

Ha ha! Ickey is solid as rock!:D I'd put David up against any "letter after themself experts".....
True! The ammount of shit he's had to put up with over the years, has given him a finely tuned bullshit detector to counter all the bollocks peddaled by bullshit people. :D

[cheesedanish]

Are you really suggesting they made a program and then transmitted it at such a time that no one would watch on purpose?

Easier solution dont make the programme?


Well they want to appear that they are all for free speech and keep the
producers happy. Its easier to show the programme than ban it and
attract attention to yourself by people asking why?

You can only access 40d if you live in Uk or Eire, thanks for the Google link.

[brotherapostate]

You can fool the net into thinking you are logging on from IRE or the UK if you go through a proxy.

[deca]

Good program

"hes talking crap" nice one Dave icke:D

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[spiraltrance]

Just watched it now, good program for mainstream TV. Regarding the mobile phones test, I don't think the psychologist worded the "Can the government use mobile phones to spy on us?" question very good. Would have been much better to ask people "Is the government using mobile mobile phones to spy on all of us?".

[deca]

The government been sneaky here, They have made the phone company s keep
the records on our calls longer and made in easier for them to access them.
Not sure if they keep positional info on mobile phones as well.

[2013]

He may as well of asked them if the emperor was wearing any clothes , hes not a trained scientist for nothing evenif he's not under orders frm anyone then he probably believes what he says and does because thats how the mind works he backs himself up allthe time because to find evidence tothe contrary would shatter his world view and he wouldnt want to feel he's wasted all that time and effort for nothing now would he .

[mercuryrapids]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet. if it has, I apologise.

Anyway, here's a link for a program that was on Channel 4 at 10:30am (weird time of day to show something like this, huh?) the other day:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3082712932054125675&hl=en-GB

David features heavily.

[daro2096]

The devil is the one who is running this planet.

[quester123]

Thanks for posting this mercuryrapids

[lottie]

I've merged these two as they are about the same thang!! ;):)

[who elsie]

Just watched the prog on-line. Incredible! Dave was great, as you'd expect, but Chris Fench and his sidekick were hilarious - what a great comedy double-act they are! Their little psycholgy experiment was interesting. It revealed the reverse thinking that is applied to subjects such as conspiracies. What they should have been saying is that it is very easy to predict what kind of people will believe official versions of events without question - which is...most people - because that's what they are conditioned to do. It is the people who don't fit into conventional molds that tend to think for themselves because they do not have the same pressures to conform, and so are free-er thinkers. And rather than saying they are more likely to believe 'conspiracy theories', what they should be saying is that they are more likely to question official versions of events and seek out the truth for themselves.

[2013]

The mans talking crap mate ! Classic best face to camera ever and the truth shall set you free :D
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:D

[cf24]

Thats classic dude!:D

[deca]

nice one
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[hagbard_celine]

The mans talking crap mate ! Classic best face to camera ever and the truth shall set you free :D
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:D

:D:D:D Nice one!


I was interviewed for this programme myself, but obviously I’ve been dropped onto the cutting-room floor! I got to know Tony Topping quite well when I met him at the Probe conference last March and this was when we both saw a UFO on the beach at Lytham St Annes which I describe in detail in my earlier article on October’s conference. The Channel 4 film crew did a long shoot of Tony doing his address at the conference, but again most of this has not made it to the broadcast cut.

It was quite a good film to start with. They resist the temptation to which so many other mainstream TV producers on conspiracy theories have succumbed: Demonizing the conspiracy theorists because questioning 9/11 etc shows a heartless attitude to the survivors and their families, as if covering up for their mass murder shows them respect! The problem comes when they get to the segment on the 7/7 bombings. The theory Rachel North encountered is a new one on me! I’ve heard people talk about 7/7 as a black-budget government military operation, but never as a power surge cover-up. It’s absolutely incredulous that London Transport would attempt it and how they could get away with it. As for Mark Honingsbaum’s report: How can he criticize people for merely interpreting what he wrote about what he saw on the day, as an immediate, unpolluted impression? Once the official version of events is on place he wishes he hadn’t written it? That sounds a bit like someone trying to alter a conclusion because it retrospectively challenges the conventional stream. It’s bad journalism to use such a fallacy.

That experiment chris french did was very biased. They portrayed belief in conspiracy theory as something pathological. The low-scoring group was the “sensible and well-adjusted” ones. I notice that for that group they were asked for a show of hands, not the theatrics of holding their mobile phones up! I could just as easily say that the skeptical group’s tendencies were pathological! The child-like trust, the groundless belief, the faith in the benevolence of authorities.

I rather enjoyed the bit where Chris French visited David Icke. It was filmed to look like a Wild West showdown! And I think David was much faster on the draw! He really shows Chris French up for what he is: a peddler of butresses for the Conformist paradigm.

It’s encouraging that in some cases the conspiracy theories of significant events is more popular than the official one. The programme doesn’t mention that the amount of people who think President John F Kennedy was assassinated by a government plot outnumber those who think it was the proverbial lone nut; and this statistic endures to this day. I’m very glad that conspiratorial thinking is at an all-time high. The government and corporate authorities have enjoyed their monopoly on the prevailing paradigm for too long; it’s about bloody time the tide turned the other way

[beldazar]

Ive just seen the vid, I feel quite sorry for Chris French, he is going to go into shock when the truth comes out, he is much too sure he is right. The experiment was very biased anyway, I took psychology 5 years ago and there are so many ways for research to be flawed, they just dont broadcast that fact.
Love to All xxxxx

[misscpb]

Maybe he is a product of his indoctrinated years of learning at university.

[steevo]

I have just finished watching that program.

I think it did what it set out to do which was to make people feel very uncomfortable about admitting that they think that stuff like 911, Diana and especially 7/7 was an inside job.

Having said that, more seeds have been planted :) and David Icke came across very well in it. It's a shame that they didnt mention the Peter Power "evidence" when discussing 7/7.

That Rachel North thing was rather annoying. As celine has already mentioned (above), she said the floor of the train went up as if something UNDER and OUTSIDE of the train had caused the "explosion" BUT unfortunately she THEN said that "conspiracy theorists" had then "hijacked" her account of the incident and they SUPPOSEDLY rewrote it to say that there had been a power surge which cause the explosions and that London Underground conspired to blame the explosions on terrorist suicide bombers as to avoid potentially HUGE compensation payouts by London Underground. And not only that, she said the "conspiacy theorists" had said that London Underground had hired a thousand actors just for good measure. WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS! Funny how Ihave never heard of that "conspiracy theory" before. They are trying to make out that people who dont believe the official story of 7/7 are not right in the head.

Anyway, the program will get people thinking at the very least.

[celtic isis]

Ive just seen the vid, I feel quite sorry for Chris French, he is going to go into shock when the truth comes out, he is much too sure he is right. The experiment was very biased anyway, I took psychology 5 years ago and there are so many ways for research to be flawed, they just dont broadcast that fact.
Love to All xxxxx

haha i think i've been reading about chris french in icke's new book! omg what a nob head he is, he said that all icke's work/books are about the "protocals of the elders of zion"...:eek::confused::(
HUH?

In which book of icke is that even dealt with then chris? cause in 5 books i've read i've never come across it. lolz


Just goes to show how dense people really are to think icke is about that, the media makes up their "minds" for them...icke's work you can't even put in a nutshell it's so complex!!!!

NOBHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hehe ICKE IS A LEGEND! and the most misrepresented person on the earth!!!!!!!!!!


:D:D:D

[celtic isis]

I have just finished watching that program.

I think it did what it set out to do which was to make people feel very uncomfortable about admitting that they think that stuff like 911, Diana and especially 7/7 was an inside job.

Having said that, more seeds have been planted :) and David Icke came across very well in it. It's a shame that they didnt mention the Peter Power "evidence" when discussing 7/7.

That Rachel North thing was rather annoying. As celine has already mentioned (above), she said the floor of the train went up as if something UNDER and OUTSIDE of the train had caused the "explosion" BUT unfortunately she THEN said that "conspiracy theorists" had then "hijacked" her account of the incident and they SUPPOSEDLY rewrote it to say that there had been a power surge which cause the explosions and that London Underground conspired to blame the explosions on terrorist suicide bombers as to avoid potentially HUGE compensation payouts by London Underground. And not only that, she said the "conspiacy theorists" had said that London Underground had hired a thousand actors just for good measure. WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS! Funny how Ihave never heard of that "conspiracy theory" before. They are trying to make out that people who dont believe the official story of 7/7 are not right in the head.

Anyway, the program will get people thinking at the very least.

you're right there steevo. :)


i'm afraid to watch the vid or not, cause it might just tip me over the edge of pissed -off -dom here lol :D

poor icke, it's like hitting your head against a brick wall with tossers like french.

If these idiots would do proper research then they would come to the conclusion eventually that it is even more insane to not "believe in a conspiracy" even though it's not about "believing" in the first place lol. :rolleyes:

[celtic isis]

French ADMITTED he hadn't even READ any of David Icke's books!!

So much for an unbiased opinion!!

I thought Icke was gonna kick his scrawny ass!!

that's it! they all take the piss out of icke, slander him, say he's a nutter a fruitcake and not ONE of them have read any of his books.

even worse, they pretend to have read them, one 'prick' :o (am i allowed to say that lol) moderator tried to make me look bad once saying he had read all of icke's books and his comment was that "he thought he was wrong".

Wrong? Wrong on what exactly, cause icke covers so damn much if you truly did read one of his books nevermind all as he was suggesting you could never come out with a one liner comment/opinion of ALL THAT IS ICKE such as that.

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[steevo]

you're right there steevo. :)


i'm afraid to watch the vid or not, cause it might just tip me over the edge of pissed -off -dom here lol :D

poor icke, it's like hitting your head against a brick wall with tossers like french.

If these idiots would do proper research then they would come to the conclusion eventually that it is even more insane to not "believe in a conspiracy" even though it's not about "believing" in the first place lol. :rolleyes:

Watch the video, and dont worry, it's NOT that bad really and it's good that it got put on TV cos there is stuff in it that is good. It's interesting to watch it just to see how they are trying to portray conspiracy "theorists" (they should use the word "RESEARCHERS" instead) :)

[thirdwave]

that's it! they all take the piss out of icke, slander him, say he's a nutter a fruitcake and not ONE of them have read any of his books.

even worse, they pretend to have read them, one 'prick' :o (am i allowed to say that lol) moderator tried to make me look bad once saying he had read all of icke's books and his comment was that "he thought he was wrong".

Wrong? Wrong on what exactly, cause icke covers so damn much if you truly did read one of his books nevermind all as he was suggesting you could never come out with a one liner comment/opinion of ALL THAT IS ICKE such as that.

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:



*passing you a glass of water*

:p

[celtic isis]

Watch the video, and dont worry, it's NOT that bad really and it's good that it got put on TV cos there is stuff in it that is good. It's interesting to watch it just to see how they are trying to portray conspiracy "theorists" (they should use the word "RESEARCHERS" instead) :)


you're right and that bugs me and all! :D theorists grrrrr

ok i'll give it a lash, eek 5pm here otherwise i'll watch tomorrow :)

[celtic isis]

*passing you a glass of water*

:p

hahahahahaha :D

i should be icke's defender! otherhalf thinks i should be the french president's speaker lolz everyone would just shut up once i get on my soap box...:o and i'm so shy really!

[celtic isis]

haha i forgot thirdwave is a moderator on here :)

it's ok to say prick then? i'm in a saying prick mood! :o:D

[hagbard_celine]

Ive just seen the vid, I feel quite sorry for Chris French, he is going to go into shock when the truth comes out, he is much too sure he is right.

He will go into denial!

[cruise4]

Minimising they call it, I believe. I once had a psychologist confronting me about drugs and I was saying how I was quite happy about them, and he called it minimising my crime :D:D:D

[strider]

haha i think i've been reading about chris french in icke's new book! omg what a nob head he is, he said that all icke's work/books are about the "protocals of the elders of zion"...:eek::confused::(
HUH?

In which book of icke is that even dealt with then chris? cause in 5 books i've read i've never come across it. lolz




He wrote about them in 'robots rebellion' ;)

[steevo]

In the Icke video they did an experiment to see if certain people would believe a conspiracy theory that they had just invented. The conspiracy theory was that mobile phones are used by tptb to track everyone. Some of them believed the theory and in a way they were ridiculed for it I feel.

I dont know about you but I have thought for quite a while now that this is a possibility that they DO track us from our mobiles. What do you think ?

[mightiswrong]

The early reports on the bbc world service on 7/7 were about power surges as far as I can remember.

[steppewar]

Just watched 'Who really runs the world?' on google. Not too ant-conspiracy considering broadcast on CH4. I thought DI came across well but he really could have buried French if he'd mentioned just a few specifics of 911 evidence, eg ,19 hijackers, 11 still alive, paper passport of terrorist found intact within 24 hours, building no 7 not hit by a plane, only moderate fires, 'Pull it' admits Larry Silverstein, it's owner,(made billions $ out of it), NORAD exercise same time, no wreckage of Flight 93, etc, etc, etc .... . Maybe DI did go on about some of these 100% facts, (some even reported in mainstream news), but got cut by Ch4 because that would wake up even the most brainwashed viewers.

[celtic isis]

He wrote about them in 'robots rebellion' ;)

oh feck lol i didn't read that one whole way through :o

but his work isn't just based on the protocals of zion now is it :rolleyes:

chris french you tosspot lolz
i'd like to see how old chrissy boy would rationalise the fact that what was outlined in the protocals (which i've read in full) that everything has actually taken place, so if it was fake then it was a damn good fake cause everything has since come to pass in the world anyway...and also what was the purpose of it as a fake/hoax? Who did it and why?

[celtic isis]

In the Icke video they did an experiment to see if certain people would believe a conspiracy theory that they had just invented. The conspiracy theory was that mobile phones are used by tptb to track everyone. Some of them believed the theory and in a way they were ridiculed for it I feel.

I dont know about you but I have thought for quite a while now that this is a possibility that they DO track us from our mobiles. What do you think ?

of course they do, i get pissed off the moment i touch down in ireland vodafone already text me a hundred times they already know i'm there and same when i arrive back in france...

that's why teens etc have phones now, when i was at school no one had mobiles lol :eek:
everyone on the planet has a mobile, therefore it's been done so that they can track us.

great minds think alike eh steevo ;)

[celtic isis]

The early reports on the bbc world service on 7/7 were about power surges as far as I can remember.

funny how on 7/7 the emergency services were called to do a drill on the very scenario that happened on 7/7 ie a bomb threat in the underground/transport...thus all the emergency services were not available as they were in the middle of performing what they thought was a drill which suddenly and COINCIDENTALLY turned out to be happening for real.

And the same thing happened on 9/11...

they pick the day, they make the emergency people confused and tied up with drills and then they orchestrate the real event amidst the confusion.

[steevo]

of course they do, i get pissed off the moment i touch down in ireland vodafone already text me a hundred times they already know i'm there and same when i arrive back in france...

that's why teens etc have phones now, when i was at school no one had mobiles lol :eek:
everyone on the planet has a mobile, therefore it's been done so that they can track us.

great minds think alike eh steevo ;)

lol yes that's true :D

I wanna get rid of my mobile but I dont think my other half could cope without one. I may ask her this week if she is willing to get rid of them but doubt it VERY MUCH. It's so frustrating. She is great though because she is probably as open minded as a sheeple is gonna get (at the moment). In fact, I would really class her as a sheeple.

[celtic isis]

lol yes that's true :D

I wanna get rid of my mobile but I dont think my other half could cope without one. I may ask her this week if she is willing to get rid of them but doubt it VERY MUCH. It's so frustrating. She is great though because she is probably as open minded as a sheeple is gonna get (at the moment).

awwwww! :)

same here before i got my french one i never used to bring my phone anywhere, now i do in case i get lost lol :o

can they still track you when the phone is off? i guess the answers yes if i get texts form vodafone etc immediately after switching it back on doh lol

but like, how can you stop them from tracking you? take the battery or something out?

feckers lol :mad:

[steevo]

awwwww! :)

same here before i got my french one i never used to bring my phone anywhere, now i do in case i get lost lol :o

can they still track you when the phone is off? i guess the answers yes if i get texts form vodafone etc immediately after switching it back on doh lol

but like, how can you stop them from tracking you? take the battery or something out?

feckers lol :mad:

I think it would help if you take the battery out, but having said that I wonder if the chip can still be picked up by the scanners that are probably all over the place. I think, what I want to do FOR NOW at least is take the battery out and leave the phone at home when I go anywhere but that defeats the whole object of having a phone. Maybe I should only take it with me when I KNOW FOR DEFINITE that I am gonna need it. Then they can only track me through CCTV and facial recognition. I sound paranoid I know but I'm not lol :D

[masonfree party]

PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS RADIO PROGRAMME...THE CONTENT IS HIGHLY EXPLOSIVE AND MAY CHANGE YOUR PERCEPTION OF THE WORLD AND ITS RULERS.

THERE IS A SHORT MUSICAL INTRODUCTION FIRST...

http://www.weourselves.org/wpfw/011408.html

2ND programme

http://www.weourselves.org/wpfw/011808.html

[celtic isis]

I think it would help if you take the battery out, but having said that I wonder if the chip can still be picked up by the scanners that are probably all over the place. I think, what I want to do FOR NOW at least is take the battery out and leave the phone at home when I go anywhere but that defeats the whole object of having a phone. Maybe I should only take it with me when I KNOW FOR DEFINITE that I am gonna need it. Then they can only track me through CCTV and facial recognition. I sound paranoid I know but I'm not lol :D

hehe same here :D

it's true though, this could work, damn though i need my phone until i get my bearings of the city still :o i have the worst sense of direction ever. lolz

anyway i'm on facebook, i'm already doomed, it's too late for me lol :D

[celtic isis]

PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS RADIO PROGRAMME...THE CONTENT IS HIGHLY EXPLOSIVE AND MAY CHANGE YOUR PERCEPTION OF THE WORLD AND ITS RULERS.

THERE IS A SHORT MUSICAL INTRODUCTION FIRST...

http://www.weourselves.org/wpfw/011408.html

2ND programme

http://www.weourselves.org/wpfw/011808.html

will do :) thanks!