We don't need a medium.(spirit board)

[eternal_spirit]

Most mediums say "don't use a spirit board(ouija board)it's dangerous!"
They say this because they know it works and they then can't charge you money to deliver messages to you from the spirit world!

A friend showed me how to make a home made spirit board, we tried it for a laugh I was only 15 at the time. After discovering it worked by saying is there anybody there? and the glass moving around the table inside the circle of the alphabet spelling out words I became a believer and thought I was really communicating with spirits.

It worked best with just me and my then girlfriend and we would do it as often as possible talking to the same spirits time and time again.

most of the time we channeled good spirits, ocassionaly we would get the bad ones!
I think it's to do with the attitude of the people involved, with me and my girlfriend we loved and trusted one another alot and had respect for the spirits.
All i can say as a warning is don't do a spirit board with someone who you don't trust, or if your in a really bad mood over something, this can feed negative energy to bad spirits and will attract them towards you.

Has anyone else had experience with spirits boards or a ouija board?

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Never touched the things.

I've always felt I just might attract something like the devil or something. :confused: :o

[lottie]

i think you have a point there- people are quick to say ' dont mess with things like that- they can let out all sorts of evil'- the same people who dismiss the idea of anything remotely spiritual!!! If you believe it can do bad or there's 'bad spirits' then equally you must accept there's 'good spirits' - if you focus on the bad- thats what you'll get!! You are the first person to speak any sense on this matter that ive seen so far!! lol:D

[lookfar]

Years ago when I was a kid, some friends of mine tried it but I didn't join them. There were quite a few of them doing it & they seemed to attract some dodgy poltergeist spirit which hung about & caused hassle smashing things etc. They thought it was amusing at the time, but it's put me off ever since. I don't know enough about it to trust inviting them in - I'll leave that to those more experienced :)

Did you use any sort of spiritual protection while you were doing it and what sort of messages did you get?

[eternal_spirit]

Never touched the things.

I've always felt I just might attract something like the devil or something. :confused: :o

Yes alot of people are scared something bad will happen........I've not found anyone willing to take part in a spirit board with me for over 14 years! i tried it alone didn't work so good and i felt drained although i had been drinking alot.
The girl I lived with for 13 years wouldn't do one.
Maybe it's because I could of found out her secrets(two timing bitch grr!) by using telepathy with the spirits.

[heretic]

I have messed with ouija before, I don't think it is a good idea as you can perhaps invite evil into your lives.

However if you live in America they sell them at the toy shops :D It's made by MB Games like Connect Four.

http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0000524NG.01-A3GZ73S7H82VNW._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
:D :D

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[eternal_spirit]

I have messed with ouija before, I don't think it is a good idea as you can perhaps invite evil into your lives.

However if you live in America they sell them at the toy shops :D It's made by MB Games like Connect Four.

http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0000524NG.01-A3GZ73S7H82VNW._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
:D :D

http://www.amazon.com/Milton-Bradley-Ouija-Board-Glow-in-the-Dark/dp/B0000524NG/sr=1-1/qid=1171987246/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-6816432-5320641?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games

Thanks for the pic, the ouija works on the same principale as a a spirit board, but they look different, I'll try and explain how to make a home made spirit board.

26 square pices of paper to write the alphabet on, 10 pieces of paper with 0 to 9 written on, and two pieces with yes and no written on the paper. Form a circle with the letters of the alphabet, then arrange the numbers 0 to 9 inside the cirle, in a straight line or in the shape of a semi circle, then place the yes and no in the middle of the circle.
A mirror or a polished smooth table is best, all you need then is a glass ( small tumbler is best) put your finger any you wish to use though index feels most comfortable on top of the glass and ask out in your mind or physically with words.....Is ther anybody there, or something similair anyone want to talk?
If it works and you get a strong connection with a spirit the speed the glass moves at is fast! don't panic unless it starts spelling out horrible stuff, just start again askinf if anyone is there?
hopefully another purer spirit will then start to communicate with you. I'll be back later there is more!

[procyon]

The warning of spirit boards is justified. Crowley used one to divine a language long lost. Enochian, or the language of the angels. There is a book with Crowley's views on the Oiuja. Just remember when you ask, "Is anyone there?" and you touch that planchette, (triangle, pyramid) the closest entity will respond. In relation to our position and the position of the astral realm, there are a lot more negative energies and beings that would answer before the ones that are much higher up in the astral spectrum. Learning to sense the difference is key as when teh question is asked, it is no different than opening a door and hoping a nice person will come in, where as it is far more likely that a dangerous lunatic will enter. Again you should be able to sense what is what. THat is the danger of the ouija. People who can't sense it, will often be fooled, and in extreme cases possession can occur. That is why it is not something you just screw around with for fun. Intent. Intent is very important. Then figure out the intent of whoever is on the other end.

The ouija can be very useful for contacts, but it has pitfalls. Just like any other method of spiritual interaction, one should be properly instructed before opening doors to the other side. In regards to entities being attracted, when you touch that planchette, you are a like a bright light to bugs. First one there gets through.

[naturesdaughter]

Looking for a friendly spirit in the netherworld? Why not consider one of your many anscestors? I know this is considered unfashionable, but seriously, if your going to invite someone over isn't it best to at least know a little of their history? And to be more secure in the knowledge that they have a stake in your well-being?
When you look at the way ancestor communion is denigrated to such extremes in our Western culture, it begs the question, what's being taken from us?

[limelady]

The warning of spirit boards is justified. Crowley used one to divine a language long lost. Enochian, or the language of the angels. There is a book with Crowley's views on the Oiuja. Just remember when you ask, "Is anyone there?" and you touch that planchette, (triangle, pyramid) the closest entity will respond. In relation to our position and the position of the astral realm, there are a lot more negative energies and beings that would answer before the ones that are much higher up in the astral spectrum. Learning to sense the difference is key as when teh question is asked, it is no different than opening a door and hoping a nice person will come in, where as it is far more likely that a dangerous lunatic will enter. Again you should be able to sense what is what. THat is the danger of the ouija. People who can't sense it, will often be fooled, and in extreme cases possession can occur. That is why it is not something you just screw around with for fun. Intent. Intent is very important. Then figure out the intent of whoever is on the other end.

The ouija can be very useful for contacts, but it has pitfalls. Just like any other method of spiritual interaction, one should be properly instructed before opening doors to the other side. In regards to entities being attracted, when you touch that planchette, you are a like a bright light to bugs. First one there gets through.

You are absolutely right about the dangers involved. Years ago friends of mine in a rock band decided to have some fun with the ouija board, in fact they spent an entire Sunday mucking round with it. They attracted some very weird stuff and one of the band members ended up in a mental hospital 3days later. According to the others present, he picked up something particularly nasty that took him over. He battled with it for several months, and eventually he got rid of it, but this is NOT something anybody should do lightly. People who channel entities ALWAYS protect themselves in various ways, but the unsuspecting are open to everything.

[naturesdaughter]

yes the very nature of ouiji boards encourages an openness to all kinds of spirits. The two syllables oui and ji both mean yes.

[john white]

The way that I see it, the basic mistake people make with Ouiji boards etc is in assuming that just because someone is "dead", they necessarily have anything useful to say: I've yet to see anything from any form of channelling that I couldn’t have got from talking to people, or worked out myself with a bit of effort (and "ascended masters" are the worst for this!): or even picked up in conversation down the pub, at a push!. I see it in dowsing as well, when people get so into asking their rods or pendulums for answers that they loose contact with the answers that was inside themselves all along: because it is them. True "higher consciousness" will never "talk" to any individual person with a "special message just for YOU", but will inspire one to develop ones own connection to the infinite universe around us, to attune to the music of the spheres...and yes, there are the "lost" (lost because they choose to be) who can't really help themselves but indulge in a little energy vampirism (death being no cure for ignorance, or running away from ones "issues"). I am a soul incarnate, an immaculate progeny of the divine creator, not "fast food": and so is everyone else!

[neondestiny]

To say a "medium" tells you to leave ouija alone for monetary gain is a bit silly, please don't put all psychics and mediums in the same category.
Granted there are many that are into the whole monetary gain, and there are a lot that are genuine and not out to rip you off."Real" mediums usually spend a lot of time working with their guides to be able to accurately pass on a message, they also know how to spiritually protect themselves (their guides also help them with this) ;)
Oiuja is like a badly tuned radio, you never really know what you are going to get.
The "real mediums" I know personally will tell you that they do not "call spirits" the spirits come to them of their own accord to deliver their message to the recipient.
Ouija you are calling up the energies, which is not really the same thing, as well as leaving yourself wide open.
Having said that I believe, ouija is a tool like any other and is fine as long as you know how to drive it properly;)

[i_am]

I see it in dowsing as well, when people get so into asking their rods or pendulums for answers that they loose contact with the answers that was inside themselves all along: because it is them.

The pendulum is a fun toy. Yes and no go different ways for different people, so to establish your 'yes' and 'no', you ask it questions that you consciously know the answer to. Doesn't it make sense then that you know the answers to all of your questions, if not consciously, then in the sub-conscious?

[john white]

The pendulum is a fun toy. Yes and no go different ways for different people, so to establish your 'yes' and 'no', you ask it questions that you consciously know the answer to. Doesn't it make sense then that you know the answers to all of your questions, if not consciously, then in the sub-conscious?

Certainly! And it should be noted there are many different forms of dowsing (any lever that works basically). Its all about where one puts ones intention: is it to relax the conscious mind and allow ones own energy feild to show the workings of ones intuitive subconscious? Or is it to reach outside of oneself to "spirit guides" to moves the rods etc and provide one with answers one has not "earned"?

Sounds like you understand the former "i am": I'm making a cautionary observation about the later (in the same manner as caution regarding them Ouiji boards)

[neondestiny]

I use a pendulum, I find it interesting that if you just think the words yes and no it will go in the direction that you tell it. So it seems to me that it is picking up your subconcious thought energy as opposed to reading spirits.
(Just my thoughts)

[neondestiny]

There are heaps of divination tools, like the pendulum.
I have even used ants to answer questions for me lol
I ask the ants permission first, then ask my questions telepathically if the ant moves to the right, the answer is yes, if it moves to the left the answer is no.
Doesn't cost anything either ;)

[eternal_spirit]

Yes i have had some strange experiences and may post later, it's a long story!
what sort of protection would you recommend? Anyone?

[neondestiny]

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/defence.htm

has some basic psychic defence in one of the e-booklets ;) it is more for psy attack but you may find it useful
Hope it helps
Blessings
Neon

[i_am]

Certainly! And it should be noted there are many different forms of dowsing (any lever that works basically). Its all about where one puts ones intention: is it to relax the conscious mind and allow ones own energy feild to show the workings of ones intuitive subconscious? Or is it to reach outside of oneself to "spirit guides" to moves the rods etc and provide one with answers one has not "earned"?

Sounds like you understand the former "i am": I'm making a cautionary observation about the later (in the same manner as caution regarding them Ouiji boards)

Yes I understand what you are saying.

I think, and this is my belief, (works for me, but not necessarily for anyone else :) ) that we need such things as spirit guides, angels, ascended masters etc because of our basic human nature that we need to be able to put a tag on things that we can't explain. I believe we are cells within cells within cells. That the human body is a reflection of the universe. So whether we are receiving from sources from other dimensions or super-consciousness, ultimately, it is all one and the same.

[eternal_spirit]

If someone became posessed or had evil spirits around them making bad things happen in their life. Where can you find help. I don't trust the church for one. Where would one go ?

[i_am]

I use a pendulum, I find it interesting that if you just think the words yes and no it will go in the direction that you tell it. So it seems to me that it is picking up your subconcious thought energy as opposed to reading spirits.
(Just my thoughts)

Yes I read it somewhere that to establish your directions, ask it something like, is my name .... or is it day, is it night. For me yes is circular and no backwards and forwards. haha it is so long since I did this that I had to check. I know others who are the opposite. Who knows why!

[procyon]

When we were about 15 a group of me and a few friends knew a kid who said he had ouija board. We knew about the Parker Bros boards and assumed he had one of those. When we went to his house he pulled out a book. A big thick book. He opened the book up and it was actually a ouija board. It was a fake book that once you examine it you can see it has no pages in it, just that when you fold it, it appears to look like a book on a shelf, right down to a fake title and hard cover. It was a good disguise anyways.

The board itself when he opened it up gave us all chills. We figured whatever let's have a closer look. The kid himself was too scared and he left us with it. He said bad things happen to people who use it. The history of the board? Not too sure, other than that it has been handed down from generation to generation. I asked him why he didn't get rid of it, if it was so bad. He said they had tried numerous times, but it always came back. We laughed at him when he said that. Like I said he didn't want to be in the room when we started using it, so he left. We started using it, and nothing really happened, and that confirmed my skeptical view at the time.

I liked the board though. It looked awesome and to this day I have never seen another like it. It was old and heavy and the carvings were detailed and quite exquisite. I couldn't deny that I felt some energy contained in it. After we played around and nothing happened I tried talking him into letting me buy it off him, since his family wanted to get rid of it anyway. He said no. Said it would come back. We laughed again, and then we came up with the idea that we could destroy it for him if he wanted. He said to go for it, so we lit up the burning barrel in the alley.

Once the flames were going we dropped the board into the fire. The kid ran. He was pale and freaked right out. We kind of laughed again and then we heard something move in the barrel. Then all of us heard a horrifying scream. I know that would can squeal and make all sorts of noises when burning, but this was alot different on many levels. It almost sounded human, and it sounded like it was in pain but full of rage. We all jumped back looking at one another to make sure we all heard it. The flames then almost instantly went out and wierd smoke came out of the barrel. We ran like hell to tell the kid, and when we showed up to tell him the board screamed he was crying. He was sitting in the basement when the board appeared back on the shelf.

We looked at where he was pointing and sure enough the exact board that was just outside burning was back on the book shelf with not so much as a scratch. As far as I know when they moved out of the house they left the board behind. Haven't heard from that kid ever since either. After that incident I developed a sort of resepct for the occult. At least it opened my mind a bit more. Probably one of the freakiest things I have encountered in my life, and I have had some strange experiences. Personally I like one on one, face to face contact. I don't like telephones that much either.

[neondestiny]

Do you have a spiritualist church in your area? (I know sounds like a religious thing but not necessarily) Spiritualist churches are places for mediums to learn.
Type in spiritualist church and your area, (there used to be a list on the net ages ago, I hope it is still there they should be able to help you.)
Even if you want to go along and see for yourself a medium at work is well worth a visit ;) especially if you feel you may be one and want help in learning more about how to develop.

[eternal_spirit]

Thanks for the input:D Yes I'm aware of what the Spiritualist church is and I don't trust them either, I believe all the answers lie within myself, it's yet to be proved otherwise.

[eternal_spirit]

I would take part in a spirit board if i could find the right person or people to do it with.
Are some of you intrigued and would like to try yourself?
All the spiritual and psychic stuff has never been proved to me. I believe the spirit board works and is real.

[neondestiny]

Procyon, (I am a medium have been since I was young, my mother, my grandmother and her mother before her all are and now my children are too) I prefer not to tell people that I am so shhh lol I am still developing, with the help of some medium friends and my guides so please don't ask me to do readings for you as the answer is no.
I am what you mentioned earlier a "reluctant medium" I have been told by so many psys and mediums my path is mediumistic healing, and no matter how much I try to avoid it the universe directs me to it and people to me ;)
Now I am older I take it very seriously and do not do it just for "fun"
When I was younger, some friends and I had a party and thought it would be "fun" to have a seance with the whole cut out ouija board.
After a time, nothing was happening, so being the brave/stupid soul I am, I said we could do it another way.
Our friend had a rocking chair that had been in their family for generations, anyways, I sat in the chair and said aloud "if there is a spirit in the room, speak through me"
I then blacked out, and have no memory of what happened except running out of the kitchen door and becoming aware of my surroundings.
My friends said I started to speak in a weird language then picked up one of the boys by the throat and lifted him of the ground with one hand. (I am a slight girl and this guy was much bigger than I.)
Ok that was freaky, but what was even freakier, was after that experience I had scratches down my back and a large red hand print in the centre of my back.
Even more freaky the velvet in the back on the rocking chair had the same marks as on my back.
I have learned since then, how to protect myself and develop properly, and encourage anyone with potential not to fool with it, but learn about how to develop properly ;)

[neondestiny]

Eternal, I have been blessed that the mediums and psychics that are helping me have just entered into my life without looking for them iykwim ;) Do you know of any trusted psychics or mediums in you area you could possibly make contact with to ask for help?

[neondestiny]

Yes I read it somewhere that to establish your directions, ask it something like, is my name .... or is it day, is it night. For me yes is circular and no backwards and forwards. haha it is so long since I did this that I had to check. I know others who are the opposite. Who knows why!
I am the same yes circular etc with my pendulum, but I don't think it really matters as long as you keep to the same direction etc throughout the reading.

[tru3]

i think you have a point there- people are quick to say ' dont mess with things like that- they can let out all sorts of evil'- the same people who dismiss the idea of anything remotely spiritual!!! If you believe it can do bad or there's 'bad spirits' then equally you must accept there's 'good spirits' - if you focus on the bad- thats what you'll get!! You are the first person to speak any sense on this matter that ive seen so far!! lol:D

George Noory, the current host of Coast to Coast, just wrote a book about developing one's psychic ability. He includes two incidents with a Ouija board sent to him anonymously.

So, I agree that what we bring to the seance table will be returned to us, but it seems to me that the simple fact that George investigates the occult would leave him circumspect about what experiences he cultivates.

Anyway, ya can't be harmed without your own agreement; all that is required is awareness and loving intention.;)

[neondestiny]

One medium has told me there is nothing bad in the spirit world, but from my own experience there is both negative and positive energy, I feel this is because there must be a balance of both in that world as is here in this reality. This may have been my own creation though, as a reflection of my own beliefs IYKWIM.

[misscpb]

To say a "medium" tells you to leave ouija alone for monetary gain is a bit silly, please don't put all psychics and mediums in the same category.
Granted there are many that are into the whole monetary gain, and there are a lot that are genuine and not out to rip you off."Real" mediums usually spend a lot of time working with their guides to be able to accurately pass on a message, they also know how to spiritually protect themselves (their guides also help them with this) ;)
Oiuja is like a badly tuned radio, you never really know what you are going to get.
The "real mediums" I know personally will tell you that they do not "call spirits" the spirits come to them of their own accord to deliver their message to the recipient.
Ouija you are calling up the energies, which is not really the same thing, as well as leaving yourself wide open.
Having said that I believe, ouija is a tool like any other and is fine as long as you know how to drive it properly;)

I agree with your post, by the way I like your avatar its very funny ;)

With regards to your post about asking for psychic/mediums, here are a few links for you where you can get free psychic or mediumship readings online in live chat sessions. They are from sites which run free development class's and practice rooms for people learning to give readings and also from psychic mediums who donate their time to freely help others with readings. The last one called psychic-chat.org does make a small charge, but the other two are free.

www.beyondtheveil.co.uk
www.spirit-and-soul.com
www.psychic-chat.org

[eternal_spirit]

Eternal, I have been blessed that the mediums and psychics that are helping me have just entered into my life without looking for them iykwim ;) Do you know of any trusted psychics or mediums in you area you could possibly make contact with to ask for help?

I'm okay thanks :) I know a medium sure she could read my mind sometimes:o turns out she lives with an old friend who i knew years ago when i was involved with the spirit board what a coincidence or maybe it was meant to be. we both got to know each other by random chaos or destiny was it lol? Enrolled on a computer course at college:) of all things haha

[neondestiny]

lol cool eternal1, thanks misscpb, I made my avatar from a poster we have here at home lol.
I used to do live/free readings online for many years, my healing work has taken me to another area of the spectrum, so I am no longer a "reader" at this point in time.
There are some great ones out there, I firmly believe our guides create the opportunities to help us develop further, leading us in the direction we are meant to be as well as bringing people into our lives that we are meant to meet :).
Blessings
Neon

[tru3]

The way that I see it, the basic mistake people make with Ouiji boards etc is in assuming that just because someone is "dead", they necessarily have anything useful to say: I've yet to see anything from any form of channelling that I couldn’t have got from talking to people, or worked out myself with a bit of effort (and "ascended masters" are the worst for this!): or even picked up in conversation down the pub, at a push!. I see it in dowsing as well, when people get so into asking their rods or pendulums for answers that they loose contact with the answers that was inside themselves all along: because it is them. True "higher consciousness" will never "talk" to any individual person with a "special message just for YOU", but will inspire one to develop ones own connection to the infinite universe around us, to attune to the music of the spheres...and yes, there are the "lost" (lost because they choose to be) who can't really help themselves but indulge in a little energy vampirism (death being no cure for ignorance, or running away from ones "issues"). I am a soul incarnate, an immaculate progeny of the divine creator, not "fast food": and so is everyone else!

Did you ever see "It's a Wonderful Life"? Remember the angel Clarence? That's what departed souls are like; they're kind of like quaint old uncles drinking mulled cider in the age of martinis. They're just not wetwired into the grid the way we fleshbags are.

A man who I consider one of my mentors has been in a coma for two years. Occasionally, he comes to visit me when I'm in meditation. He has other reasons for not wanting to come back, but another is he's having a BALL! He has a vague understanding that it's been a while since he's been conscious in his body, but time just isn't experienced where he is as it is here.

So, all in all, I don't believe that advice from spirits is all that useful, even if it may be well intended.

[neondestiny]

pmsl "fleshbag"
Some of the spirits I have spoken with do find it useful to get a "message" to their loved ones so as the loved one can move on. It is a great feeling too to be able to help someone in this world who needs it.
One of my last readings I was able to give a lady a little peace in her heart,she had a misscarriage and never had any children after that and was trying to decide if she should move from her current home into another residence in the country. It was not revealed to me about the misscarriage.
Her son came through (as a 7 yr old boy) and gave her the message that he will be with her no matter where she moves to.
She was able to move from the house she was in knowing that and was able to move on knowing that her son was with her. (she did not know the sex of the child either so that was also pretty special)
That is one of the most "special" readings I have given, and am honoured that her son chose me to help her :)

[tru3]

pmsl "fleshbag"
Some of the spirits I have spoken with do find it useful to get a "message" to their loved ones so as the loved one can move on. It is a great feeling too to be able to help someone in this world who needs it.
One of my last readings I was able to give a lady a little peace in her heart,she had a misscarriage and never had any children after that and was trying to decide if she should move from her current home into another residence in the country. It was not revealed to me about the misscarriage.
Her son came through (as a 7 yr old boy) and gave her the message that he will be with her no matter where she moves to.
She was able to move from the house she was in knowing that and was able to move on knowing that her son was with her. (she did not know the sex of the child either so that was also pretty special)
That is one of the most "special" readings I have given, and am honoured that her son chose me to help her :)

Sorry about the fleshbags. I was kind of poking fun at us "down" here. We are much more than these "spacesuits", as John likes to call them. I'll use spacesuits from now on! :)

Actually, I think folks like John Edwards (and you, neon) help people by connecting them to their departed loved ones. It gives them hope, and hope in this day and age is a precious commodity.

My post was in the context of those who go out trolling for spiritual advice and hook up with complete strangers. It's like having unprotected sex: who can say where these entities have been, or what their true agenda is? Why is it in some peoples' minds that if an entity shows up from a "higher" dimension (and how does anybody know it's higher? it's just different), they're automatically benevolent and who they appear to be.

I just think a little discernment is in order, that's all.

[eternal_spirit]

The spirit board doesn't work for everyone and it can depend on the peolpe involved. It might work when you're doing it with one person but not another.
All I know it's a tool too communicate with spirits, find out for yourself don't believe everything others tell you from their own experience.

You could argue meditating with the aim to astral travel is just as dangerous if not more so. You don't know what energies spirits your going to meet while out of the physical body and in another spiritual dimension.

[neondestiny]

Sorry about the fleshbags. I was kind of poking fun at us "down" here. We are much more than these "spacesuits", as John likes to call them. I'll use spacesuits from now on! It's ok I was laughing with you at the term "fleshbag" to a spirit we would probably appear that way.
Everyday society it seems prefer to focus on the "fleshbag" through fashion and status etc and ignore the fact that we all contain a spirit as well ;)

You could argue meditating with the aim to astral travel is just as dangerous if not more so. You don't know what energies spirits your going to meet while out of the physical body and in another spiritual dimension.
During astral travel you are connected to your body by a silver cord, and to my knowledge this is only severed upon your physical death, I feel astral is relatively safe because of that ;)
I don't use ouija personally, only because I don't really see the need for it, but if someone wants to use one as a tool then go for it, I just think it would be best to use it safely (protect yourself), rather than be sorry later :)

[eternal_spirit]

Fine by me if people want to use mediums, the point I was making is you can try communicate without the mediums, some can't be trusted like any other profession (for want of a better word)