Patent troll attacks RedHat?

[joegum]

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071011205044141
http://trolltracker.blogspot.com/2007/08/deeper-look-at-acacia.html

Free and Open Source under attack!

-Joe

[jaanus]

I will go to the patent office tomorrow and take a patent on breathing so I can tax the shit out of you. Oh...btw I will sue you, if you refuse to pay me for using my "breathing" technique.

This whole thing is one big absurdity really, if you asked me. There are no words to describe the situation or the people behind it. It's so lame...and these...fat ego-driven pigs...ughhhh...would like to kick in their nuts really hard.

[serpentoffire]

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071011205044141
http://trolltracker.blogspot.com/2007/08/deeper-look-at-acacia.html

Free and Open Source under attack!

-Joe

They use patents and laws to stop the progress. Nothing in this world was invented from scratch. It was alway been a progressive and incremental aggregation of inventions. NWO is stopping our future trapping our creativity with lawsuits. It is now time to destroy them.

[jaanus]

On the other hand...maybe if they manage to piss many people off with THEIR incremental so called "inventions" in manipulation of humankind, someday the snowball might get rolling and things would turn out really bad for them. I have a feeling, that whatever they do, they can't stop us from ascending.

[joegum]

More...

"Did Microsoft send in the trolls?"
http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1543&tag=nl.e539

Interesting that Novell/SuSE is also being sued. And after they signed that protection deal with M$. OF course, M$ would never resort to a proxy, eh? Especially after Ballmer's recent comments.

Nothing suspicious here citizen.

Nope... nothing at all.

[mynameis]

I'm lost in this tech fight. I think if Linux is open source, and never borrowed any code, then what's the hoopla over? I don't see Micro$oft paying $ony for it's CD technology.

[serpentoffire]

I'm lost in this tech fight. I think if Linux is open source, and never borrowed any code, then what's the hoopla over? I don't see Micro$oft paying $ony for it's CD technology.

Several parts of Linux was copied (not source code but only the application behavior) from other traditional O.S. like Unix Berkley System V. They are using patents to get money from ideas, not industrial implementations. This is not the scope of patents that was invented to prevent the falsification of industrial products. I think that software have to be considered like mathematic. You can't make a patent on a mathematical formula. I remember Intel that has changed the name of its processor from 586 to Pentium because they can't make a copyright on a number.

[mynameis]

Several parts of Linux was copied (not source code but only the application behavior) from other traditional O.S. like Unix Berkley System V. They are using patents to get money from ideas, not industrial implementations. This is not the scope of patents that was invented to prevent the falsification of industrial products. I think that software have to be considered like mathematic. You can't make a patent on a mathematical formula. I remember Intel that has changed the name of its processor from 586 to Pentium because they can't make a copyright on a number.

Intellectual property only extends so far on an idea. If there's no authorship of exact close similarities then each can't exist in the same realm. Proving a similarity that would be a back engineered form of re-written windows code. Or creating your own program language to emulate computer software for your own purposes of display. Each has been upheld. I think it's frivolous for microcrap to even bring this to trial. I'd laugh them out of court because as anyone knows, Linux is open source and not a company, which means anyone can develop it's code for public domain. Microcrap can't license the public domain, therefore it's frivolous.

[joegum]

Yes, it's frivolous. But, RH is still going to need to spend money and other resources to defend against this.

If you make $100,00 a year and I make $1million a year, and I decide to sue you and sue you and sue you, whether you are right is irrelevant.

[joegum]

Oops! Btw, GNU/Linux is not really public domain. It's licensed under terms of what is called copyleft. A few short vids:

Stallman interview on free software
http://youtube.com/watch?v=b3uX5XwdN_8&mode=related&search=

Revolution OS - Birth Of GNU (1/5)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o2xfrApGOr4

Richard Stallman - What is free software?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uJi2rkHiNqg

Richard Stallman - Free Software Example
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q7LOb4YBpyQ

Richard Stallman - What can individuals do?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dOkaBHmsPkk

Eben Moglen: How I discovered Free Software and met RMS
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uKxzK9xtSXM

[joegum]

One other thing...

RH can be harmed in other ways. as the FUD ( Fear Uncertainty Doubt) is spread around, folks can be scared off from using free software. End users like me can become afraid to use the software as well as large corporate clients. A while back, M$ wasn't threatening to sue Linux vendors , but Linux users. Then three Linux companies (Novell/SuSE, Xandros and Linspire) signed agreements with M$. Basically, the agreement promised that M$ won't sue the user of one of these three products.

M$ approved Linux!
Blech!

It's "oh so generous" of M$ to "allow" me to use Linux. I'm soooo humbled by their kindness! BAH!

A lot of the support for Linux comes from the corporate area. They understand the financial savings and security advantages of open source. RH is one company that has stood tall and refused to sign.

[serpentoffire]

I like what Stallman said. I'm also a free software developer and I share a couple of projects used in every part of the world for 3D and async messaging based on both M$ and Linux/OpenBSD operating systems. I use GPL and LGPL license for my source code.

[joegum]

I like what Stallman said. I'm also a free software developer and I share a couple of projects used in every part of the world for 3D and async messaging based on both M$ and Linux/OpenBSD operating systems. I use GPL and LGPL license for my source code.

Just in case no one ever said this to you....

Thank you for developing free software. :)

-Joe

[joegum]

Critic of Software Patents Wins Nobel Prize in Economics
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/16/1230201

QUOTE:
" "You've probably already heard that the Nobel Prize for Economics was given to three gents who were working on advances in mechanism design theory. What you may not have heard is what one of those recipients was using that theory to study: 'One recent subject of Professor Maskin's wide-ranging research has been on the value of software patents. He determined that software was a market where innovations tended to be sequential, in that they were built closely on the work of predecessors, and innovators could take many different paths to the same goal. In such markets, he said, patents might serve as a wall that inhibited innovation rather than stimulating progress.' Here's one of Maskin's papers on the subject: Sequential Innovation, Patents, limitation (pdf).
[+] patents, money, software, howmuchmoreproofdoyouneed "

[joegum]

Hmmm....

Patent Troll attacks M$???

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/111607-microsoft-wins-patent.html